User talk:PamD/Archive 12

A few notable women
Hello, I saw a message that you reviewed a redirect page of mine, and took a look at your user page. I think the imbalance of articles on men v. women on WP is not just the result of systemic bias on WP, but also of systemic patriarchal bias in most human cultures on this planet in documented history. Nevertheless, my sign happens to be Libra, and I would like some more balance, to I decided to drop you a line and 2 cents. Regards, --GeeTeeBee (talk) 22:00, 8 March 2018 (UTC)
 * Pilot James Thain plaid a central role in, and also was a tragic victim of the Munich air disaster, but according to the Mayday documentary series episode 77 (season 11, #5), he received crucial help from his wife Ruby, one of the first women to get a first class honours degree in Chemistry, Physics and Maths — see http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x4ub0bf at 34:00.
 * A Dutch documentary on current efforts towards human immortality featured not only Linda Chamberlain from cryonics org Alcor and Sci-Fi writer and former professor Kathleen Goonan, but also BioViva CEO Liz Parrish — redirect page only !! — also the world's 1st person to undergo genetic telomere (r)elongation treatment, in an attempt to counteract ageing. If you're interested the docu can be viewed online here – although the voice-overs are in Dutch, all persons in it are interviewed in English (audio) with Dutch subs. I'd say at least 80% of the whole thing is English-spoken.


 * Thanks for taking an interest in my editing. I think I'll continue my current pattern of responding to each month's Women in Red challenge with one or more articles; watching my ridiculous-large watch list and taking appropriate action; sorting stubs, especially those filing under "P"; doing a bit of WP:NPP on redirects in particular; and generally editing as and when the mood takes me, creating articles on topics which interest me or which seem to be inappropriately red links and where I can find Reliable Sources. Happy Editing. Pam  D  09:02, 9 March 2018 (UTC)
 * Allright ! Happy Editing, --GeeTeeBee (talk) 09:05, 9 March 2018 (UTC)

Elliot James Dowel Colvin
FYI, I'm going to try to resurrect Elliot James Dowel Colvin as we did with G. E. C. Wakefield. It seems clear that Colvin meets notability though the existing article needed WP:TNT. Fiachra10003 (talk) 18:23, 9 March 2018 (UTC)

Roger Jones (composer)
Todah rabbah for your excellent work on this article. I am happy about simplifying the disambiguation. I put the longer form because I wasn't sure whether the simpler form would suffice.

I put a note in the talk page for the article to the effect that I wasn't getting any clear results in the Wikipedia function for the ISBN. Therefore I included the Amazon link to make sure that the article didn't get deleted (whether by a robot or by a hostile editor) for lack of at least one authenticating reference.

Your work has improved the article in some very useful ways. I haven't had much time recently to work on Wikipedia, and I am a bit rusty. (Forgot that templates need { brackets.)

I have some material from my cousin's girlfriend including biography, a list of names of the musicals, and several other useful bits of information, not all appropriate for Wikipedia, and needing references such as page numbers from the biography. I suggest adding several headings -  : Biography ; Musicals complete list, and short descriptive comments where relevant   ; Collaborations including with Timothy Dudley Smith  ; Articles and Media Appearances  ; References

The material from my cousin's girlfriend includes names of children - not really appropriate, except perhaps that his third son died in 2002. Not sure of the relevance, though.

I may have time to look at this tonight.

Robert of Ramsor (talk) 19:58, 10 March 2018 (UTC)
 * Don't forget that you mustn't include info from cousin's g/f or anyone else unless it appears in published sources you can cite. Ditto for photo - much simpler if you can get owner of the copyright (usually photographer) to upload the file themselves and give permission for its use. Disambiguation epithets should only be as detailed as needed to distinguish from others - and he needed to be included in the disambiguation page, which I've done. Pam  D  23:42, 10 March 2018 (UTC)
 * Not forgetting the need for referencing other sources. Cousin's g/f gives a useful outline, but I will use only what I can reference - for example specific page numbers in the biography as verifiable source.  Perhaps the most useful thing from her is a complete list of ISBNs for the published musicals, so if we include that, I have the ISBNs to hand.  She has given me some material which is definitely not to be used, even without considering the Biographies_of_living_persons guidelines.    Robert of Ramsor (talk) 02:08, 11 March 2018 (UTC)


 * Also hatnote at Roger W. Jones. Pam  D  23:45, 10 March 2018 (UTC)
 * The ISBN link is connecting to Worldcat ok. Pam  D  23:48, 10 March 2018 (UTC)
 * Thanks. I was probably clicking on the wrong thing.  Robert of Ramsor (talk) 02:08, 11 March 2018 (UTC)

Tag
Alexander Allardyce (British MP)

Surely it would be better to use the Template:Bare URL inline tag rather than Link rot, when there is only one link in the article? Prince of Thieves (talk) 21:51, 11 March 2018 (UTC)


 * I'm not sure I've ever come across that template; it isn't supported by Twinkle, which I use for a lot of tagging; it would be one more, quite lengthy, template name to remember; and does it really do any harm to use link rot instead? Are there editors who go around cleaning up articles tagged with the one but not with the other? I don't know. Pam  D  21:55, 11 March 2018 (UTC)
 * I am not too sure, I doubt people really go round cleaning up specifically based on tags much anyway. Really I was just wondering why you used one and not the other and didn't fill out the link yourself, given that if you had done it manually it would all be roughly the same effort. I didn't realise you were tagging with (semi)automated means, that does make sense. Prince of Thieves (talk) 21:59, 11 March 2018 (UTC)
 * I can recommend Twinkle - it adds the tag, and dates it too, which saves you from seeing it crop up on your watch list when a bot adds the date if you haven't done so yourself; in some cases it prompts for necessary parameters to the tag. It's a useful and elegant bit of kit. But there are editors (well, at least one) who definitely follow up on the link rot tag, and come along to use ReFill or whatever to fill out the references - see example here. Pam  D  22:17, 11 March 2018 (UTC)
 * Nice. I will have to try this out, I have only used twinkle for things like AfD and user warnings so far. Prince of Thieves (talk) 22:20, 11 March 2018 (UTC)

Adminship
I know you've been asked this before, and I realise you have previously expressed the opinion that RfA is a week in hell, but after doing the bunch of revision deletions you asked me to do the other day, perhaps it's time to have another think about it? Ritchie333 (talk) (cont)  16:58, 13 March 2018 (UTC)
 * I'd support this too. Guy (Help!) 20:07, 13 March 2018 (UTC)
 * I'd recommend stopping by WP:ORCP, first. My one interaction with you, PamD, was here and that doesn't incline me to support. If the community believes otherwise, ORCP will give you a small-audience review before making an official run. Chris Troutman  ( talk ) 20:12, 13 March 2018 (UTC)
 * However, unless I'm mistaken, Pam's !vote did align with the only RfA candidate who got over 300 supports, so perhaps it's different things to different people.... ORCP is worth trying first just to dip your toe in the water, as it were. Ritchie333 (talk) (cont)  20:41, 13 March 2018 (UTC)
 * I really don't feel inclined to invite extra stress into my life, and am reminded by the link above of just how unpleasant even mildly aggressive interactions can be. Goodness knows how many past antagonists would crawl out of the woodwork. Not a prospect I enjoy. I'll carry on with my WikiGnoming for now, and very rarely feel the need for admin tools or the inclination to do anything which would demand them. But thanks, for the faith in my admin potential.  Pam  D  22:14, 13 March 2018 (UTC)

Request
Sir I have added real images of village Movelkote also spelled Mawalkote. And I also added more information about this village. because I am a the resident of this village. And I am one who requested for this page creation so why you deleted image from this page Movelkote (Mawalkot) Rajput Sachin (talk) 07:24, 14 March 2018 (UTC)


 * The words with which you started the article were stolen from another website. Please read the explanation about Copyright on your talk page. You must not add material which you "know" as a resident of the village unless you can show a published independent reliable source for it. The photo was a snowy tree and could have been anywhere - why not take and upload a clear picture of the village centre?  Pam  D  10:37, 14 March 2018 (UTC)


 * The article is now at the sourced title Mawalkot. Pam  D  10:39, 14 March 2018 (UTC)

Speedy Delete
Please delete Sam Paris/sandbox, it only exists because of a dumb mistake on my part. I would delete it myself if I knew how. Sam Paris (talk) 23:19, 15 March 2018 (UTC)
 * I'm not an admin so can't delete it myself but I'm sure it will disappear soon. Another time you could use db-self to ask for speedy deletion of a page you've created, or just blank the page which has the same effect. Pam  D  00:25, 16 March 2018 (UTC)
 * An admin has now deleted it, after some complicated-looking shuffling around. I hope all is now OK. Pam  D  07:39, 16 March 2018 (UTC)
 * Thank you! I'll try not to make that mistake again; there are so many new and more interesting mistakes to make. ;-) Sam Paris (talk) 09:40, 16 March 2018 (UTC)

Uploading images in wikipedia
Hai... :) I Uploaded the film poster for Parole (film) Thank you once again... One more doubt if you dont mind.. how can we upload image of a person? .. example from facebook or some website to use in wikipedia infobox.. Yourmistake (talk) 16:29, 16 March 2018 (UTC)

Neerali
Dear Admin, User_talk:Let_There_Be_Sunshine Disagreement about inclusion of starcast. could you help me resolving star cast confusions in Neerali Page.I believe the movie stars Mohanlal Parvatii Nair Suraj Venjaramoodu Nadiya Moidu. there are news article regarding it. some news article clearly mentioned Parvatii Nair doing female lead in the movie ..see here [[121 ]] and [[122 ]] but one editor believes star cast should be only Mohanlal and reverted my edits. pls give me a correct advice to resolve this issue.advance thanks Yourmistake (talk) 03:20, 19 March 2018 (UTC)

Bishop of Kiev reverts
You reverted every change, so if I was wrong I need to know where I was wrong to learn from the mistakes. I made changes to the Bishop of Kiev disambiguation page per the advice of the DAB fixer. For example, there was a message that I consider removing "ancient Metropolitan of Kiev" per MOS:DABRL which states a red link "should be included on a DAB page only when a linked article also includes that red link. Do not create red links to articles that are unlikely ever to be written, or are likely to be removed as insufficiently notable topics." One page does link there, as indicated by "see List of Metropolitans of Kiev". I think that link should be changed to "List of Metropolitans and Patriarchs of Kiev". On that page is the red link with a lot of other red links that may make their way into English articles someday. Do you have plans to change those red links into articles? Thank you for responding. Vmavanti (talk) 20:33, 22 March 2018 (UTC)
 * On looking closer I can see that the version I reverted to was not good: have reverted to an earlier version which does not have the mass of useless red links, but leads to articles which could well be referred to as "Bishop of Kiev". Pam  D  20:51, 22 March 2018 (UTC)

Hi
dear writer my article is an encyclopedic article and everything turned right and has references it is very ridiculous to delete it please support me in this regard — Preceding unsigned comment added by Entergirls (talk • contribs) 07:29, 23 March 2018 (UTC)
 * See your talk page. Pam  D  07:34, 23 March 2018 (UTC)

A kitten for you!
Thanks for helping on Pete Halat.

Trish pt7 (talk) (talk) 18:15, 27 March 2018 (UTC) 

I have unreviewed a page you curated
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Thank you + invitation
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Schöma deleted
Please see Draft:Schöma Peter Horn User talk 01:23, 19 April 2018 (UTC)

CSD
Hi Pam,

You were probably right to CSD that article, pixel whatever something. A website not indicating notability, but it was (apparently) about seven minutes old and created by a new user. I was going to give the editor another 15 mins to respond before suggesting he or she sand box it. I hope that wasn’t wrong. I was trying to factor encouragement into my methods. Edaham (talk) 21:50, 19 April 2018 (UTC)


 * You may be right - I should perhaps have looked at the history of Pixilart before CSDing it. But the new user hasn't made any more edits since the one edit where they started that unsourced stub, though it's now 40 minutes. Pam  D  21:57, 19 April 2018 (UTC)


 * anyway the user now has more than enough info to work out where he or she went wrong, so if it is sourcable and has a diligent user attached to it, it will get worked out in time. Cheers. Have a good day (or night) :) Edaham (talk) 22:03, 19 April 2018 (UTC)

Redirects to The Coral Sea (book)
PamD,

Since you essentially reverted my redirection of Staff of Life to The Coral Sea (book) (which I do not object to), what do you think about the rest of the redirects to The Coral Sea (book)? I'm thinking most, if not all of them, should be deleted. Steel1943 (talk) 14:54, 20 April 2018 (UTC)
 * Yes, I did realise I was being perhaps a bit bold in killing off your redirect. I'm not sure that individual chapters (?) of a prose poem merit redirects, are you? I could, perhaps should, have made "Staff of life" a redirect to bread and left "Staff of Life" as the redirect to the book ... but any "redirect" hatnotes would have been pretty ungainly. Not sure of the best solution, and no strong feelings - I was just rescuing a threatened useful redirect at WP:RfD.  Pam  D  15:04, 20 April 2018 (UTC)

Skill shown for free is skill wasted.
Thanks for reminding me dance again as if one robot Boylen was not enough to make me understand that skills for free aren't appreciated and always pointed out. Rudeness is in that giving warning won't solve the problem either. Articles if edited or even created by me need some time and it is about the person or place what is wanted by masses atleast Asian masses to know. It is like you all pointing air saying that we can't see it so it isn't there. Thanks once again. I wonder why. . . It happens that I forget the things which elders told me above mentioned rule was one of them then this disobedience of not following the thumbrule makes even robots point out. Mansukhsurin (talk) 16:11, 20 April 2018 (UTC)


 * Hmm, should an editor with the above-demonstrated level of English language competence really be trying to contribute to this encyclopedia, I wonder? Pam  D  16:20, 20 April 2018 (UTC)

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Punjabi-Mughal War
Hi PamD, I appreciate your contributions. But I have recently fixed the Punjabi-Mughal War article. I provided more sources and sourced it under that name, but my article has been redirected. Please Kindly allow my article. --AhdBhat (talk) 22:31, 6 May 2018 (UTC)
 * I was typing while you were - see the talk page. Pam  D  22:33, 6 May 2018 (UTC)

thank you Pam:)
Hi! Thank you for editing Chun's article and let me know why some are not appropriate. actually, I am a volunteer - I thought that if I say i work for them would be helpful for me to write Chun's article. I am a friend of them but I don't work for them. I told Chun's that I want to do it for fun and for learning the wiki system. I have more things to add to this article. I added review section last night but got deleted even though I linked the right web article. How can I update it? Could you help me to do it? thank you very much! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Yjeon8 (talk • contribs) 15:32, 7 May 2018 (UTC)
 * Did you read the message on your talk page about "Conflict of interest"? It includes the wording "avoid editing or creating articles about yourself, your family, friends, company, organization or competitors". Please stop editing the article about your friends, and find some other articles in the encyclopedia on which to practice editing. Thanks. Pam  D  23:04, 7 May 2018 (UTC)

I think you got your wish
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Question about your Rape (disambiguation) revision
Hi. Why did you make on Rape (disambiguation)? Inter qwark talk  contribs 22:05, 1 June 2018 (UTC)
 * Because only one blue link is needed per dab page entry and brevity is best. Sorry about lack of edit summary - I was using an unfamiliar borrowed device and saved change too soon. Pam  D  22:16, 1 June 2018 (UTC)
 * There was only one blue link. I included “Voldtekt” since that’s the unstranslated title of the movie. And what’s wrong with including “film director”? Inter qwark talk  contribs 22:19, 1 June 2018 (UTC)
 * The link to "Norwegian" was blue. No more info is needed than what will distinguish the entry. Other detail just clutters the dab page. See WP:MOSDAB. Pam  D  05:28, 2 June 2018 (UTC)
 * I did not notice that the template adds a link. My apologies. Purple links (links that I’ve clicked before) are very hard to spot on Wikipedia for me, for some reason. Inter qwark talk  contribs 01:26, 3 June 2018 (UTC)

Season ticket
Hi. Regarding, what makes the article not a stub? I thought it was since it was so short, with each section only being a few sentences long. Inter qwark talk  contribs 16:02, 7 June 2018 (UTC)
 * It's certainly not detailed enough to be a Good Article or a Featured Article, but it's got a fair amount of useful info. What it does need is sources, but it's already been tagged for that, for 10 years! There are no hard and fast rules, but if an article has been around for 13 years accepted as not being a stub it's likely not to be a stub. See WP:STUB for some guidance. Pam  D  16:07, 7 June 2018 (UTC)
 * I don’t think the age of an article has anything to do with whether it’s a stub. Each section is only a small paragraph long, and there are no references. WP:STUBDEF says: A stub is an article that, although providing some useful information, is too short to provide encyclopedic coverage of a subject, and that is capable of expansion. I thought that season ticket fit that criteria. Inter qwark talk  contribs 06:48, 8 June 2018 (UTC)

OED
The OED link that you added to Season ticket seems to require me to log in. Inter qwark talk  contribs 07:56, 8 June 2018 (UTC)
 * The Oxford English Dictionary is a printed dictionary, sitting on library shelves in 13 volumes in any decent university library, major city library, etc. It is also available online, and if you are a UK public library member you can access it. This is quite acceptable for a Wikipedia reference. Sources do not have to be available online. What's your point? The reference explains that a subscription is required for access. Pam  D  08:03, 8 June 2018 (UTC)
 * Ah, I didn’t see the Subscription or UK public library membership required text. My bad! Inter qwark talk  contribs 08:07, 8 June 2018 (UTC)

Sudha Bhuchar
Hi PamD,

Thanks for your input on my Sudha Bhuchar article. I am a college student writing a Wikipedia article for a theatre artist who is not accurately represented in online media and chose Bhuchar because I believe that although her work on the screen is important, as you pointed out, she has especially influenced the portrayal of British Asians on the stage. I wanted to more completely explain her personal life and upbringing and artistic goals- she is at heart a political theatre maker, as she emphasizes in her interviews, and I believe the article has a responsibility to portray that.

I appreciate your tips- I combined the sources (our Wikipedia Education module didn't teach us to do that, so I didn't realize it was possible) and deleted King's Lynn Norfolk as a "London suburb" (although Bhuchar does refer to it as that- I am from the US and didn't realize the offensiveness of my insinuation).

Please let me know if you disagree with any of my points before deleting parts of my contribution. I've spent two months researching Bhuchar and her work and feel confident that this article properly represents her influence in a respectful way.

Dpepowski (talk) 16:07, 10 June 2018 (UTC) dpepowski


 * Thanks for your message (though please remember to add a section heading when you start a new topic on a talk page, and to provide a link to the article you're discussing - for the convenience of the page owner who knows about it, and the information of other people who are watching that talk page).


 * I'm glad to see that you have edited the article in a less destructive way. You refer to it as "my Sudha Bhuchar article": that is a problem with many new editors. It isn't your article, it's an article in the encyclopedia, written by as many editors as care to contribute. You do not have a right to storm in and over-write other people's work, just because you've been asked to do a student project.


 * Even in this new edit you had removed several sections which I have reinstated. Again, you must not just remove other editors' content because it does not fit in with your own pre-written text. This is a collaborative encyclopedia, not a place for students to write freestanding essays.


 * Please note that where there is choice in areas like the format of date used in references, the decision of the original substantial editor of the article should be retained for existing and new references. See WP:CITEVAR. I have corrected this.


 * You had combined some but not all of your re-used references: I've tided this up.


 * We don't have a space before a reference - I've tidied that up too. You should perhaps have noticed this detail of Wikipedia style by looking at good articles, or been taught it.


 * I'd be interested to see where Bhuchar refers to King's Lynn as a London suburb - all I can find is where she says "settling in London via King’s Lynn Norfolk", meaning that she lived in King's Lynn before settling in London (as described in detail in the new ref I found and added).


 * As this article is about a British Asian it needs to be written in British English - "maths" not "math"! I've corrected.


 * I don't know what you've done to create your "Playwriting and Screenwriting Selected Works" table, but you need to tidy it up as it has empty lines at the end. It's recommended to use Wikipedia's table markup, as it makes it easier for other editors to understand and edit, and as you did for the other two tables.


 * I can see that it's difficult for students to understand the culture of Wikipedia especially if they are not taught about it well. Please remember to show respect for the work of other editors. Thanks. Pam  D  21:27, 10 June 2018 (UTC)


 * You'll see that I prefer to name references with words, not numbers. Help:Referencing_for_beginners says "Names must not be purely numeric; they should have semantic value so that they can be more easily distinguished from each other by human editors.", but I understand that the Visual Editor system (which I don't use) allocates numerical reference names, going against that ruling! If there's a way to over-ride that and use a one-or-two-word name for your references I'd recommend using it. Pam  D  21:35, 10 June 2018 (UTC)

Hi Pam. Thanks for your edits. I used the Wikipedia table creator for my list of Bhuchar's work. Unfortunately, I cannot figure out how to delete the empty rows at the bottom of the table- they don't show up when editing. Do you have any idea how to fix this?

I agree that the Wikipedia Education Module is certainly lacking- you should reach out to the program to voice some of your frustrations.

Dpepowski (talk) 15:47, 11 June 2018 (UTC)


 * I'm puzzled - if you used the same table creator for all 3 tables, how come the first one is in html code and the second and third use Wikipedia code? Strange. I've managed to slightly tidy the bottom of the first table, but only slightly. The final empty row is just weird, as there seems no justification for it in your code! Pam  D  16:10, 11 June 2018 (UTC)

editing my entry Merry Wiesner-Hanks
Hi- I wanted to add a photo to the entry for me you nicely wrote for me, Merry Wiesner-Hanks. Instead it ended up in Wikimedia Commons, labeled Merry 1.jpg. Could you move it? Or tell me how to do this? You can easily find my email address to respond at the History Department of the University of Wisconsin-Milwaukee. Merry Wiesner-Hanks (talk) 22:49, 12 June 2018 (UTC)
 * Thanks for uploading the picture - now added. Glad you like the article. We need to make sure women are better represented in the encyclopedia - see the WP:Women in Red project. Pam  D  23:04, 12 June 2018 (UTC)

Stub articles
My apologies. I was only trying to help. Realising that I was, in fact, not helping, I will stop. Timeoin (talk) 06:22, 16 June 2018 (UTC)
 * <S> Please don't stop editing, just remember to check that your subjects meet the notability criteria (eg WP:NFOOTY), and add reliable sources for everything. Thanks. Pam  D  06:29, 16 June 2018 (UTC)
 * Predictive text wrecked last ping! Pam  D  06:32, 16 June 2018 (UTC)
 * Again apologies! I was making them from the team's list from the W-League, and (mistakenly) assumed references weren't needed. (Something about the road to hell and good intentions?) Anyways, I do apologise. It was a mistake that has been fixed now that I realise my mistake. Timeoin (talk) 06:40, 16 June 2018 (UTC)

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Leeds Wikipedia page
Hi, PamD

Could you please provide me with information on why Leeds has two separate pages, including a factual source that you are using to define the settlement of Leeds? I previously had a conversation with Eckerslike about this and he or she could not provide me with single shred of evidence to justify Leeds having two separate pages. 80.2.15.69 (talk) 17:58, 18 June 2018 (UTC)


 * If you look in the various talk page archives I'm sure you'll find the discussions. Otherwise, just accept what more experienced editors tell you, and the evidence of the two distinct articles. Pam  D  18:16, 18 June 2018 (UTC)
 * See, for a start, Talk:Leeds/Archive 1. Pam  D  18:20, 18 June 2018 (UTC)

I have looked into the previous discussions and I have not come across any evidence to justify why Leeds should have two separate pages. No I won't just accept what a so called experienced editor tells me, talk about patronising. Wikipedia pages are meant to be backed up by factual sources. You and many other so called experienced editors are purely making up your own rules and not using any factual sources whatsoever. You are literally like the mafia of Wikipedia dictating and pushing your own corrupt agenda. Judging by what you said in the previous discussions, you don't even have a clue what you are talking about and even suggested Leeds is still a town even though it got granted city status back in 1893. Not to mention you were completely basing your entire argument on what you think some persons opinion would be if asked a specific question. Talk about a chocolate teapot argument. I will be taking further action if you cannot provide me with any evidence 80.2.15.69 (talk) 18:52, 18 June 2018 (UTC)

Stubs
Thank you for the helpful guidance regarding stub categories. I'll stick to the stub template in the future. Rcamilled (talk) 14:31, 19 June 2018 (UTC)

Hello and thank you
Just to say hello and thank you for your Little Yellow Duck Project article in particular, I've had such fun making and distributing little yellow ducks since a friend introduced me to the project this year. I'm not so far away from you (Preston) and was thinking about coming up to Silverdale for the art trail this weekend (not sure yet...) - I guess you've got Silverdale pretty well covered, though, for little yellow ducks. I'm very much a Wikipedia novice, the amount of work you've done is terrific. Best wishes. Peg Pyefinch (talk) 15:53, 20 June 2018 (UTC)
 * Good to hear from you. Enjoy the Art Trail: should be bigger and better than ever from the look of the catalogue. Feel free to bring some ducks: I've only distributed three, so it could make a lot of people very happy if they found a duck to take home! There will be yarn-bombing in the village centre, but ducks with a nice clear "Take me home" label would fit in nicely! ( Hmm, red-linked yarn-bombing? An article, or at least a redirect is needed!) (Just needed a redirect from hyphenated version!)  Pam  D  16:23, 20 June 2018 (UTC)

Thank you Pam! I've just got two, will try to find good and suitable places to leave them...... Peg Pyefinch (talk) 17:31, 20 June 2018 (UTC)

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anchorite
I am a specialist in the area of study with a PhD. Tom Licence is a sexist and the rest of us in the field are endeavoring not to promote his work. However, I should have replaced it with something else instead of just removing it. When I have more time, I will do that. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 184.99.190.123 (talk) 16:47, 23 June 2018 (UTC)
 * Whatever you think about the author you can't just remove a cited, OUP-published, book from the bibliography of Anchorite just because you don't like his views. Please don't do this sort of destructive editing. Pam  D  17:31, 23 June 2018 (UTC)

Hadamard-Gutzwiller model
Hi Pam, I am replying here on your talk page because you said something to me at the discussion to delete the Hadamard-Gutzwiller model redirect and then closed that discussion before I could reply:
 * A redirect is supposed to lead the reader to an article where they will find something on the topic they seek. There is no mention of the Hadamard-Gutzwiller model at Hadamard's dynamical system, and it is not my job to do a literature search and upgrade that article. ...as it stands, it doesn't help the reader.

This is not true. A redirect from X to Y is an assertion that a reader typing in X is looking for Y. Not all re-directs need to be official alternative names of the article subject, which you can check by reviewing the list of purposes of redirects. (In particular, re-directs do not require citations.) It is not your job to do a literature search to upgrade an article, but it is your job to confirm if a redirect is actually mistaken if you want to remove it. It would not be sensible for editors to go around removing each redirect they don't understand.
 * You can check my editing record to see whether you really believe that I am eager to delete other editors' contributions but "unwilling to do even a modicum of effort to build on them": I spend a lot of time salvaging other editors' misguided / lazy / careless / ignorant contributions, and that's verging onto a personal attack.

You tried to delete my correct work without attempting any background research at all, and this sort of behavior is a tax on contributions (however minor). I don't need to know anything about your personal edit history to conclude this.
 * That wasn't so difficult - for you, with the knowledge and the sources.

It required literally 10x more time than it took to create the re-direct in the first place. Holding someone's contributions hostage unless they make further efforts to defend them is just going to convince them that it's not worth contributing in the first place, even if that additional work would be easier for them than you.
 * Next time please don't react so rudely to an editor who is, in effect, pointing out the gap you left in your own earlier edits by leading the reader to an article which didn't mention the topic they were looking for.

Redirects don't require citations to remain in Wikipedia. The addition information I added today was supplemental; it was not necessary for the redirect to rightly remain. It would be one thing if you had looked up who had created the re-direct and asked me to explain, but starting a deletion process was unjustified.

I avoid editing non-technical articles because it's always easier for other editors to delete than to contribute, and the technical articles just have less traffic and more informed readers. I regret being rude to you, but I stand by my assertion that you should have done more research before removing my minor contribution. Jess_Riedel (talk) 23:52, 18 June 2018 (UTC)


 * Please see Redirect. There should be something on the target page which indicates to the reader why the redirect has led them there: Normally, we try to make sure that all "inbound redirects" other than misspellings or other obvious close variants of the article title are mentioned in the first couple of paragraphs of the article or section to which the redirect goes. And of course anything on that target page should have a source. As things were, the reader following the redirect Hadamard-Gutzwiller model arrived at a version of Hadamard's dynamical system which gave no indication why they were there. It might have been that the H-G model was an older model replaced by the new system, and that a previous chunk of text mentioning this had been deleted for some reason like copyright violation. No mention of Gutzwiller. No clue.


 * Now, they arrive at a page which shows precisely why they are there: their term is a synonym for the article title. Just what they need, with a source to check this too. Thanks.


 * So, while engaged in New Page Patrol, one of Wikipedia's quality control checks, I saw this redirect and listed it at WP:Redirects for discussion. The system notified you automatically, as I knew it would. You replied, and upgraded the target page, and I then withdrew the nomination as the redirect was now clearly useful. A success for the project. The discussion was closed (not technically by me). All is well. If you hadn't been around and the consensus, without your input, had been to delete that redirect, no permanent harm would have been done: next time you came back to the project you would have found the discussion, realised why the redirect had been deleted, and could have added the content to the target article and re-created the redirect.


 * Incidentally I checked whether there was an incoming redirect from Hadamard's billiard and there wasn't, only from the plural Hadamard's billiards (which doesn't seem to be the term used). So I created the missing redirect. Just improving the encyclopedia in passing, as ever.  Pam  D  07:38, 19 June 2018 (UTC)


 * First, "Normally, we try to make sure that all 'inbound redirects' ...are mentioned in the first couple of paragraphs of the article" does not mean "redirects that are not explained in this way should be deleted". Consider: is Wikipedia better or worse off with the redirect?  The answer is of course "better" because then a reader searching for "Hadamard-Gutzwiller model" will find the correct topic, whereas if this redirect doesn't exist they will just reach a dead end.  Furthermore, the reader will not be completely confused as to why they are there, most importantly because "Redirected from Hadamard-Gutzwiller model" appears at the top, and also, in this case, because "Hadamard-Gutzwiller model" and "Hadamard dynamical system" are exactly the sort of variations in naming things that you find in this subject.  I have been redirected in surprising ways on Wikipedia before, and I certainly wished there was more explanation, but I have never wished that the redirect was deleted.  (Are you really arguing that Wikipedia was worse off with the redirect?)


 * Likewise, it's preferable that every thing on the target page have a source, but it's not required. There are only a few special case (e.g., biographies of living persons) where all un-sourced material must be removed.  Half of Wikipedia would disappear tomorrow if editors went around removing all un-sourced material.


 * Second, it's very misleading to say "If [I] hadn't been around and the consensus...had been to delete that redirect, no permanent harm would have been done". Except for cases where entire pages are deleted, it's always possible in principle to recover old edits.  This does not mean that there is no harm to Wikipedia from deleting contributions from people you don't understand as long as they don't defend them.  You waste their time and Wikipedia suffers during the time period it takes to fix things.


 * Third, contrary to "A success for the project...All is well" the project is worse off compared to the counterfactual where you left alone a redirect you didn't understand. With the time I spent dealing with this I could have been actually contributing something substantive.  And I now face a serious disincentive to contribute in the future because I know that there is yet another random editor who might want to delete my contribution unless I go defend it. Jess_Riedel (talk) 19:58, 19 June 2018 (UTC)


 * Firstly: Yes, I believe that the encyclopedia was worse off when it contained a redirect which gave the reader no indication why they had been redirected. Of course there's a note "Redirected from Hadamard-Gutzwiller model", as you point out, but that reminds them what term they had typed in and assures them that at some point some editor had decided to construct a redirect from that term: it gives no indication of the relationship of that term to the article. You say this is "exactly the sort of variations in naming things that you find in this subject": I think it goes beyond the sort of variation in naming where readers, not all of whom may be as knowledgeable as you, can assume it's the same thing. I wouldn't have challenged a redirect from, say, "Hadamard's dynamic system" or "Hadamard dynamical model". The introduction of a completely different name, not mentioned anywhere in the article, made this a step too far.


 * Secondly, as above, if the redirect had been deleted I think the encyclopedia would have been better off in the gap before you or someone else came back to make the fix which you did. If you had not been around to improve the target article, the discussion of the redirect at WP:RfD would have continued and I am pretty sure the consensus would have been to delete the redirect. It would not have been my decision alone - the deletion would have been done by an Administrator after the discussion had run for at least a week.


 * Thirdly: I'm sorry you think you were wasting your time by adding the redirect target to the article, with a source. I think you were spending your time improving the article and helping the reader. I wouldn't suggest deletion of any of your or anyone else's work unless I thought it was a negative to the encyclopedia, as I did here. The point of New Page Patrol is to check new additions to the encyclopedia: I don't know on exactly what automated criteria some new articles and redirects need to be reviewed while others don't. I specialise in checking redirects there, and the vast majority are fine. I sometimes retarget the redirect, occasionally end up creating a disambiguation page instead, and I refer some redirects to the Redirects for Discussion page, as I did here. It's how the system works. Pam  D  12:08, 20 June 2018 (UTC)


 * Thanks Pam, I think we are close to agreeing about the basic facts in this case that we can get input from others. This is important because, if I understand you correctly, you plan on continuing to delete redirects that you don't understand because they are not explained even if they are plausibly correct (i.e., they potentially redirect from an established alternative name and you personally just don't have evidence one way or the other). I do not believe such editing behavior would be consistent with the criteria described in Redirect/Deletion_reasons.  In particular, under "Reasons for not deleting" it lists "3. They aid searches on certain terms. For example, if someone sees the "Keystone State" mentioned somewhere but does not know what that refers to, then he or she will be able to find out at the Pennsylvania (target) article." and "5. Someone finds them useful. Hint: If someone says they find a redirect useful, they probably do. You might not find it useful—this is not because the other person is being untruthful, but because you browse Wikipedia in different ways."  Indeed, the reason I created the redirect at 'Hadamard-Gutzwiller model' was that I found that term in a research article and couldn't find it on Wikipedia, and spent a long time (>10 minutes) searching around until I stumbled on the intended article 'Hadamard's dynamical system'.


 * Let me clarify one more issue to make sure I understand your position better. Scenario #1: There is a redirect from X to Y that an editors knows is appropriate (say, because they have special expert knowledge) but which is not explained in the article about Y.  Are you saying that the editor should delete the redirect at X because of the risk that the reader would be confused, and instead send them to a dead end?  Assume for the sake of argument that the editor is unable add an explanation to the article because they don't actually have any sources or they don't have time; the only options are to delete or not delete the redirect.  Assume also that any proposed deletion is announced in the appropriate place and no other editors respond, so the original editor must make a judgement call.  Scenario #2: There is a redirect from X to Y that an editor is honestly unsure about (because they are unfamiliar with the topic) but which could potentially be correct.  Are you saying the editor should propose the redirect for deletion, and delete it if no one responds?  (Perhaps it would help me to understand you position if you said more about how a reader being confused about a redirect is worse then them simply hitting a dead end; the latter case seems to give them strictly less information.)


 * Can you please tell me where we should go to get input from other editors on this general question about redirect policy? Jess_Riedel (talk) 13:38, 21 June 2018 (UTC)


 * Sorry but I've got a very busy few days coming up and haven't the time or energy for any more lengthy discussion of this. I will continue to nominate for discussion at WP:RFD, while working on WP:NPP, any redirects where it seems to me that the reader will not benefit because there is no useful info on their sought term at the target. It seems we will never agree. Best wishes. Pam  D  05:57, 22 June 2018 (UTC)
 * Sorry to hear that. I've started a discussion at Wikipedia_talk:Redirects_for_discussion and invite you to participate when you have time. Jess_Riedel (talk) 19:42, 24 June 2018 (UTC)

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Hello Pam, Thank you for your comment on Alliemallie 's page about the stub page Reciprocal IVF that was made in our course this spring. As the class is over and the student has graduated (with a new job and new family responsibilities) I do not know if they will be checking their talk page regularly. I will try to reach them. I think that your suggestions for solutions are good ones. I also wanted to thank you for catching the misspelled word in the course title. I am embarrassed to say I did not notice! I have written Shalor to ask about how I might change it. Thank you for pointing it out. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Rebedwards (talk • contribs) 19:01, 29 May 2018 (UTC)

William H. Knight (mayor) listed at Redirects for discussion
An editor has asked for a discussion to address the redirect William H. Knight (mayor). Since you had some involvement with the William H. Knight (mayor) redirect, you might want to participate in the redirect discussion if you have not already done so. —Bagumba (talk) 10:10, 14 July 2018 (UTC)

Please stop
Re article Leiba Dobrovskii


 * You don't allow me to correct the page, I have lost all my edits. You aren't exactly cooperative.
 * You are able to write the page better than me, I have quoted all my sources and you don't care to read them. Xx236 (talk) 06:21, 16 July 2018 (UTC)


 * If you have "lost all your edits" I assume it's because of an edit conflict: this happens, though if you are careful you can retrieve your edits and make them again. That's not my fault, it's just the way Wikipedia works. I see that you have now clarified the article, thanks. I have tidied up a few points - there should not be a space before a reference, etc. Please give more information about your references: the reader should not have to click on a link to find out what sort of source you are using, but the reference which appears on the screen should be as complete and informative as a reference in a printed book or academic paper. Thanks.  Pam  D  07:24, 16 July 2018 (UTC)

I have unreviewed a page you curated
Hi, I'm Onel5969. I wanted to let you know that I saw the page you reviewed, Edmond P. Talbot Middle School, and have un-reviewed it again. If you have any questions, please ask them on my talk page. Thank you.

 Onel 5969  <i style="color:blue">TT me</i> 12:13, 18 July 2018 (UTC)
 * Then I turn around and do the same dang thing. Apologies.   Onel 5969  <i style="color:blue">TT me</i> 12:13, 18 July 2018 (UTC)
 * Obviously two of us working on the NPP redirects at the same time .... I've just gone off on a digression adding sourced alternative names to a couple of African rivers, but perhaps I'll stop for lunch and Real Life jobs anyway! Best wishes. Pam  D  12:15, 18 July 2018 (UTC)
 * No worries. Sometimes I simply misclick… my hand moving faster than my mind, and then I go to the user talk page and leave an apology.  I think these were different, however, I think we both had the redirect open, showing it unreviewed.  While we were checking to make sure it was valid, one of us reviewed it first, so when the other clicked "reviewed", it automatically went to unreviewed.  Regardless, thanks for all you do.  Onel 5969  <i style="color:blue">TT me</i> 12:19, 18 July 2018 (UTC)

Re: Black letter Wycliffe
Hello. I had already added the information you requested, it's in the "In popular culture" section. Regards, YuriNikolai (talk) 14:21, 20 July 2018 (UTC)
 * Ah, I think that I searched for "black le..", as "Black letter Wycliffe" was the first of the redirects I found at new page patrol, and didn't find it in the article: if I'd searched on "black-le" or "blackle" I'd have found it. Thanks. Pam  D  15:03, 20 July 2018 (UTC)

Stubs
I regret that you are not fond of leaving stub templates on stub pages, seeing that most of your articles created are stubs. I understand your sentimental connection to stub pages that were created by you. You are no longer welcome on my talk page. Kind regards. DoctorSpeed (talk) 13:50, 21 July 2018 (UTC)


 * I'm happy to see appropriate stub templates on stub pages: I'm less happy when someone adds stub at the top (wrong place - see WP:ORDER) of a page which already has a specific stub template in the right place, as you did to Lecrín (not an article I'd created). Pam  D  15:50, 21 July 2018 (UTC)

Kim Timby
Thank you PamD, for sorting the Wikiprojects on Talk:Kim_Timby. Another editor DGG inserted the "News Release" template "news release|1=article|date=July 2018" and I have written to him asking him why he did so. Can you see anything in the article that might lead one to read it as a 'press release'? Thank you for your opinion and guidance on this. Jamesmcardle(talk) 10:05, 24 July 2018 (UTC)


 * I watch DGG's talk page and that was what led me to the article - I'm waiting with interest to read his reply to you as it doesn't strike me that way, though I suppose that if you had been a paid editor commissioned to do a piece about her it might have come out much the same way! I've looked at the Ecole du Louvre website hoping to find the sort of profile of an academic which one can usually find, but failed: it would have been a useful "External link".


 * I've just found a book by her listed in Worldcat. Worth adding to the bibliography, as books carry much more weight than journal articles. If you can find any reviews of it whether in scholarly or other sources, add them ... googling on "Timby" and "Lenticular" finds some useful-looking stuff like this one. Good luck. Pam  D  10:16, 24 July 2018 (UTC)


 * Thank you for getting back to me so quickly...and for the link to the Leonardo review...how had I missed it?! Yes, "3d and Animated Lenticular Photography: between utopia and entertainment" is listed in the bibliography in another edition "Between Utopia and Entertainment: A History of 3D and Animated Lenticular Photography". Perhaps as yet Timby has not produced enough books, but she is one of vey few researchers dealing with the history and social impact/uses of the lenticular image and of colour printing in magazines, work I've found very valuable to my own research. Not enough credibility is given to exhibition curatorship...perhaps I'd better add a section? Should I shorten the article? Perhaps in an effort to set out how the intellectual progression of this research topic from anthropology and history I have become long winded? Jamesmcardle(talk) 10:32, 24 July 2018 (UTC)


 * I think splitting the book out shows it off better, and adding ISBN provides a link to Worldcat and other sources. I see you've used angled quotes for the titles of publications: Wikipedia doesn't. It can be useful to use the cite journal template, to format things in Wikipedia's chosen way. I think before making any major changes it would be good to wait for DGG to explain his thinking, though if you've got good sourced stuff about exhibition curatorship, especially material which discusses her rather than the exhibition, it would be useful to add. Pam  D  10:46, 24 July 2018 (UTC)


 * Thank you - I learn something every day on WP (though not much of the coding sinks in, I'll remember to use cite journal). Amongst the reviews of the exhibitions I will be able to find references to her role and will add as you advise, but I'll call it a night for now and see in the morning what DGG has to say. All the best, Jamesmcardle(talk) 10:52, 24 July 2018 (UTC)

Nomination of Southern Villages (Southern Highlands, New South Wales) for deletion
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The Telegraph
Hello PamD - I wanted to drop you a note about my undoing your edit at The Telegraph, so you didn't think I was rude. I understand your reasoning, but that's an issue with SIAs of this type in general and not just this one in particular. There was a suggestion at the (lengthy, probably inconclusive) RfC at Wikipedia talk:Disambiguation that would address the issue you raise, but it's going nowhere. Now the heat has died down on that RfC, I'm not sure what to do next - probably nothing! Regards, Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 17:17, 9 August 2018 (UTC)
 * Thanks for your note. It's a mess, then. A link to The Telegraph ought to show up as a link to a disambiguation page, whether for editors with the gadget which turns it orange, or for bots looking for links to dab pages, because that link will be an incorrect link which ought to be something else for the sake of the reader. If it goes to an SIA page, no such detection occurs. Perhaps The Telegraph should link to the Telegraph (disambiguation) and thence to the dab page, but that would inconvenience the reader by giving them an extra step to work through. Perhaps the gadget which detects links to dab pages should also detect, maybe in a different colour, links to SIA pages. I still reckon that SIA page is pretty much a dab page but am not going to waste energy arguing it. I'm starting to feel tired of Wikipedia and some of its structures, perhaps need to back off from editing for a while. Pam  D  08:58, 10 August 2018 (UTC)
 * Yes, it is a bit of a mess, and name pages have the same problem. Please stay with us!  Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 09:17, 10 August 2018 (UTC)

Royal National Theatre page edits today
Hi Pam, thanks for your message - you are right, I'm an employee, I didn't think about COI. If you'd like to remove all edits made today, that's fine. The things I did put in today I put a number of citations on and I believe to be pretty objective fact, so it would be great to get your view on if they can stay.

Either way, the page is quite out of date and missing key information so I will look through the pages you've shared on how to do that through the proper processes and submit some stuff! Thanks for raising and sorry! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Emilyatthent (talk • contribs) 16:30, 15 August 2018 (UTC)


 * Replied at User talk:Emilyatthent. Pam  D  14:20, 16 August 2018 (UTC)

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Famousbirthdays.com as a source
Hi PamD. I noticed that you recently used famousbirthdays.com as a source for information in a biography article, Lojain Omran. Please note that there is general consensus that famousbirthdays.com does not meet the reliable sourcing criteria for the inclusion of personal information in such articles. (See Reliable_sources/Noticeboard/Archive_153). If you disagree, let's discuss it. Thanks. --Ronz (talk) 01:24, 20 August 2018 (UTC)
 * OK, but before I remove the now-unsourced birth year please look at the results of a google or other search for "lojain omran October 1977" and let me know whether any of them appear to be RS. Thanks. Pam  D  06:10, 20 August 2018 (UTC)


 * I already looked, and couldn't find anything written in English. Difficulties with auto-translation prevented me from getting further. Sorry I wasn't more helpful. --Ronz (talk) 15:09, 20 August 2018 (UTC)

Apology
I'm sorry for what I said about what you wrote for Lidiya Shulaykina. I was not refering to your article as a sloppy, nor most of Wikipedia, but machine-generated text not that requires significant fixing (example:" Viktor Maksimovich Golubev (Голубев, Виктор Максимович) (1916-1945) was an aviator of the Soviet Army during the Great Patriotic War, twice Hero of the Soviet Union and recipient of several other awards.") I should have explained each part correctly but I did not.--PlanespotterA320 (talk) 15:26, 20 August 2018 (UTC)
 * Thanks for that. I think we all need to acknowledge that different editors choose to do different things here, and as long as they aren't adding unsourced rubbish, bad translations, totally non-notable topics or any of the other sins like attack pages, copyvio, etc etc we can work together to build the encyclopedia. I was criticised recently for asking an editor to add incoming redirects to their newly-created articles, as they didn't see it as their job. Happy Editing!  Pam  D  07:49, 21 August 2018 (UTC)

Wanbi's page
Oh, it's really my fault. So sorry for my stupid actions. I didn't know about that before. Sorry for my bad grammars Lam —Preceding undated comment added 07:10, 25 April 2018 Datestamp so it gets archived Pam  D  08:02, 21 August 2018 (UTC)

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Ruxandra Donose
Please can you be a little more careful when making changes like these. You've just reinstated three paragraphs of copyright violations, which were clearly marked as such. Even if you want to keep the sources included in those edits that's no argument for adding copyvio.  Hut 8.5  11:12, 27 August 2018 (UTC)
 * In removing copyvio you also removed sources for content which was then left in the article as unsourced content. Please be more careful not to do so. Thanks. Pam  D  11:18, 27 August 2018 (UTC)

Wikipedians at Leeds University/in Leeds
Hey ho! I've just started planning doing a Wikipedathon or something at Leeds University with some of the open access team there. So I'm trying to find Wikipedians at (or around) Leeds University, and just thought I'd post here in case you know any (or are one...!). If you have any pointers or might in theory be interested in being involved in some Wikipedia events at the University, do let me know. No stress if not :-) Alarichall (talk) 21:19, 29 August 2018 (UTC)
 * Mmm, interesting idea. I get back to Leeds from time to time so might be able to drop in - keep me posted. The former colleague who led me into editing Wikipedia seems not to have edited since Dec 2015 (hope he's still OK), and I don't know of any others. Good luck with the plan. Pam  D  21:56, 29 August 2018 (UTC)

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NPR Silver Award

 * Thank you. Reviewing redirects is obviously much quicker than reviewing whole articles - the vast majority are clearly perfectly OK, only a few need much thought and work - so it's easier to clock up a high count ... but I'm surprised it's so high! Glad to help.  Pam  D  09:47, 30 August 2018 (UTC)

Editor of the Week
User:Alarichall submitted the following nomination for Editor of the Week:
 * I nominate PamD to be Editor of the Week. This editor's achievements are conveniently summarised on their user page. As a creator of nearly 500 substantial stubs and full articles over more than 12 years, PamD has done much to improve the representation of the biographies of women from around the world, playing a part in the Women in Red project. They have also made particular efforts to improve coverage of rural northern England. Alongside these page creations, PamD has worked quietly and tirelessly to sort stubs, tidy up disambiguation pages, and create helpful redirects. On the occasions when my path and PamD's have crossed on Wikipedia, PamD has always been polite and encouraging, making Wikipedia a more cheerful place.

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 * Well, thank you both very much! Pam  D  13:04, 12 August 2018 (UTC)
 * Not sure why I'm two weeks late but I do want to add my congradulations PamD. A well deserved award. Cheers. MarnetteD&#124;Talk 16:17, 30 August 2018 (UTC)

Thank you for your help
I have create now a new article whish is calle "EDU (university)" instead of "EDU". Please can you check it again? So it can be published I think. Greetings, Eleonorexoxo — Preceding unsigned comment added by Eleonorexoxo (talk • contribs) 11:42, 3 September 2018 (UTC)
 * Firstly, please take the trouble to learn a couple of basic rules of posting on talk pages:
 * Add new messages at the bottom, not the top (I've moved this)
 * Sign all your posts, using  or the "Sign" button in the editor. (An automated system has done this for you but you should have done it yourself)
 * Secondly, I can't find the new article you say you have created, so can't comment on it.
 * Thirdly, have you any connection with EDU? Please respond to my posting on your talk page by either stating that you have no connection which would cause a Conflict of Interest or by stating that you have such a connection and have read and understood Wikipedia's rules about COI and paid editing. Thanks. Pam  D  17:52, 3 September 2018 (UTC)

University Hospitals of Morecambe Bay NHS Foundation Trust‎
I think the link you were looking at is to the source of the data for the graph. Rathfelder (talk) 22:12, 10 September 2018 (UTC)
 * Yes, but the reference as it appears in the reflist is a bit of a mess (as is the "Description" for the image file as it appears in the information on Commons).  Could you please fix it, as it's your work? Thanks.  Pam  D  22:23, 10 September 2018 (UTC)
 * Looking more at the graph and the information on the page at Commons, I don't see that you've really shown where the numbers come from: looking at the page you link I don't see any source which seems to be what the graph is about. Could you give a bit more detail on the Commons description page, please?
 * I see you've added similar graphs to a large number of health trust pages around the same time, and the reference in the caption seems to be mangled in a couple I've looked at, though it was treated differently in some and here someone fixed it - it seems that you don't need  after all. Perhaps you could mend the other ones which are broken?  Pam  D  23:05, 10 September 2018 (UTC)


 * I think I've fixed those that were broken - about 1/3 of them. Thank you for telling me.Rathfelder (talk) 12:44, 11 September 2018 (UTC)

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NPR Newsletter No.13 18 September 2018
Hello, thank you for your work reviewing New Pages!

The New Page Feed currently has 2700 unreviewed articles, up from just 500 at the start of July. For a while we were falling behind by an average of about 40 articles per day, but we have stabilised more recently. Please review some articles from the back of the queue if you can (Sort by: 'Oldest' at Special:NewPagesFeed), as we are very close to having articles older than one month.


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Kaveri River
Please see the talk page, you unilaterally overrode a move discussion that resulted in the Kaveri title for the page. &mdash; Spaceman  Spiff  13:15, 29 September 2018 (UTC)
 * OK, reverted. I had checked Category:Rivers of Tamil Nadu for consistency, but didn't spot the talk page discussion. Pam  D  15:30, 29 September 2018 (UTC)

George Williamson
Hi; thanks for catching the problem with George Williamson (academic). I misread the information and didn't realize that he isn't necessarily English himself. Best regards, FeanorStar7 12:00, 30 September 2018 (UTC)

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Regarding the banned account of User:Doedoeneoneo
Hi PamD, I am a Taiwanese Wikimedian and I want to let you know that I met User:Doedoeneoneo in person on August. I then want to come to help her clear some concerns from the English community. I have investigated and written here regarding the community's concern. Please feel free to participate. Thank you in advance. --Liang (WMTW) (talk) 02:23, 5 October 2018 (UTC)

Adel/adoul
Dear Pam thank you for removing my addition to the disambiguation page Adel/adoul. The creation of a separate page for this entry appears to me to be overkill, especially as there are so few English-language references to Adel/Adoul. Basically what you are saying is that no entries may be made on a disambiguation page unless there is a pre-existing wikipedia page for the lemma. This appears to me to be somewhat perverse, especially as it does not correspond to my own experience of Wikipedia. May I suggest you are being slightly over-zealous? Everybody got to be somewhere! (talk) 16:28, 11 October 2018 (UTC)
 * Yes, that's what I'm saying: see WP:DAB and WP:MOSDAB. Everything in a disambiguation page should be a link to a wikipedia page or a section in one, where the reader can find out about the topic mentioned. Disambiguation pages do not contain information and references. I'm curious about your experience of Wikipedia which contradicts this - could you show me the disambiguation page entries you're thinking of? Pam  D  18:05, 11 October 2018 (UTC)
 * Thanks for creating a well-sourced stub at Adel (official). Looks good. I've tidied up both it and the dab page entry. But neither of your sources used the term "Adel". Have you got a source for that? Otherwise perhaps the article needs to be at Adoul? We need a redirect from that term anyway - will do it when not on phone. Pam  D  06:03, 12 October 2018 (UTC)
 * Yes it's confusing. As you will know from user page I work as a translator. Adel is the word used in official translations in Morocco. It is of course a transcription of an Arabic word. There are many variations it seems, including adl, adil, adoul. Wiktionary say Adoul is the plural of Adel/Adil. I think there is considerable confusion. Let us keep it at Adel for the time being please because of the correspondence with the Arabic name meaning "just/honest". Now that the article is up and once I've linked to the corresponding French page, it may well be that other more expert persons will suggest amendments rooted in a greater familiarity with the term. Everybody got to be somewhere! (talk) 13:10, 12 October 2018 (UTC)
 * Further to the above I've tried linking to the French wiki page "Droit musulman", in which the term "adel" appears, but there is a message I don't understand concerning Sharia that prevents the link being established and tells me to link to another page! Can you help perhaps? Everybody got to be somewhere! (talk) 13:22, 12 October 2018 (UTC)
 * The French wikipedia article Adel includes the redirect Adel (droit) which leads to Droit musulman which someone has decide is the equivalent of the English Wikipedia's Sources of sharia. I don't think we can link this new English Adel (official) to anything in French Wikipedia as the linking only applies to whole articles, not sections.
 * It would be great if you could find an online document using the "official translation" as you mention, to establish the term "Adel" as the English term: at present neither of your sources mention it, and I've found a source which shows both words being used, but in French only. A Google News search on "Adel Morocco -Football" didn't find anything useful in the first 15 pages! Please add something to show that "Adel" is used in English. The French article asserts "L'adel (pluriel en arabe : adoul) est le notaire de droit musulman", but its source uses "Adoul" and "Adouls", so doesn't help. Thanks, Pam  D  14:39, 12 October 2018 (UTC)
 * Found a reference in Moroccan consular advice in English to Adel functions. This is now ref. 4. Everybody got to be somewhere! (talk) 15:49, 12 October 2018 (UTC)

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Anna Stec
Big thanks for coming on board so quickly. I knew we needed to have an article before Radio 4 picked up the story- BLPs and Women in Red are not my usual territory.--ClemRutter (talk) 12:01, 13 October 2018 (UTC)
 * I picked her up as a mal-sorted stub in Category:Stubs, and one about a woman (my priority criteria for stub-sorting, as well as the letter "P") - and heard about her on R4 later. Glad to help. Pam  D  14:38, 13 October 2018 (UTC)

Get ready for November with Women in Red!
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Sorry
I deleted a source at David Morris (Conservative politician) accidentally. Proxima Centauri (talk) 16:48, 19 October 2018 (UTC)

NPR Newsletter No.14 21 October 2018
Hello, thank you for your work reviewing New Pages!

, there are 3650 unreviewed articles and the backlog now stretches back 51 days.
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Nomination of Xian (abbreviation) for deletion
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The article will be discussed at Articles for deletion/Xian (abbreviation) until a consensus is reached, and anyone, including you, is welcome to contribute to the discussion. The nomination will explain the policies and guidelines which are of concern. The discussion focuses on high-quality evidence and our policies and guidelines.

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Editing News #2—2018
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Since the last newsletter, the Editing Team has wrapped up most of their work on the 2017 wikitext editor and the visual diff tool. The team has begun investigating the needs of editors who use mobile devices. Their work board is available in Phabricator. Their current priorities are fixing bugs and improving mobile editing.

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Nomination of List of articles about things which are artificial for deletion
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 * hi, thought you would like to know about this afd as the article creator, btw another editor has nominated this article, not me. Coolabahapple (talk) 09:32, 8 November 2018 (UTC)

Terence Suthers
Howdy, RE: Your recent addition of 'Director' to the job titles of Terence Suthers. This one has really baffled me. I absolutely accept it's use here and that it is referenced in the York Civic trust page, but it is not a title that I have seen anywhere else in the Museum's history. I might have to have a trawl through the transactions of the Yorkshire Philosophical Society to see if this can be corroborated either way; although the YPS didn't run the museum after the 1960s the museum's activities are still summarised in its annual reports and the comings and goings of staff is a big features. A curious one to follow up on for sure. Thanks and Best wishes.Zakhx150 (talk) 17:08, 8 November 2018 (UTC)
 * Yes, I had the museum on my watchlist so noticed your changes, looked at it, and wondered who the current Curator was, as the table seemed to stop short of the present. Found Suthers given the different title. Current website offers a "Chief Executive", a "Head of Museum Development Yorkshire", a "Visitor Experience Manager (Yorkshire Museum & York Art Gallery)", a "Head of Collections and Curatorial Services" and a "Senior Curator (Yorkshire Museum)": I wonder which if any would consider themself the successor to the people in the list of Curators and Keepers! Presumably all changed in 2002 with establishment of the Trust. Good luck in ferretting out the information from your sources. Pam  D  08:15, 9 November 2018 (UTC)
 * Thanks for taking an interest. Well the Chief Executive is Reyahn King, but I doubt if any of the others can yet meet WP:GNG. I suppose I could reference names of individuals in the various departmental posts using York Press or Yorkshire Post articles when they've done an exhibition opening or something, but not have those names Wikilinked. Perhaps some division in the table to show changes in ownership from YPS, to CYC, to North Yorks Council, to Trust status that might account for the discrepancies in nomenclature? I appreciate others keeping an eye on this page as I make edits to it.Zakhx150 (talk) 09:40, 9 November 2018 (UTC)
 * It would be nice to get that table completed down to 2002, even if the individuals aren't notable enough to be linked. And then perhaps a note in the last line of the table saying that from 2002 the museum came under York Museums Trust (or perhaps listing its two CEOs, if that seemed appropriate - I see they are both real museum people, not just corporate managers!). Pam  D  09:47, 9 November 2018 (UTC)
 * As you may have noticed (!) I've just been WP:BOLD and added a couple of lines. I leave you to fill in the gap! Pam  D  09:52, 9 November 2018 (UTC)

Photo request petition - please sign
Hi! Can you please sign the petition to TASS and RIAN requesting them to release certain historic photos (many of them from WWII) for Wikimedia by adding your signature to the signature section? Also, please do spread the word to other Wikipedians. Thanks, --PlanespotterA320 (talk) 02:32, 10 November 2018 (UTC)

Bougie
I apologize for the over compensation I was just trying to make it clear for people that didn't understand that the link was literally right there on the page.Mcelite (talk) 22:17, 12 November 2018 (UTC)

Woodstock and Silverdale
Thanks for spotting my spelling mistake on Woodstock, Pembrokeshire - I must be in too much of a hurry this evening. I was interested to see you are in Silverdale, a place where my Mancunian grandparents holidayed every year and often talked about. I have never been there myself. Cheers, Tony.  Tony Holkham   (Talk)  22:44, 13 November 2018 (UTC)

Olena Chekan| Svetolik Skale Mitić | Yevgeny Miller | Jerzy Bogdanowićz | Alex Moscovitch | Stanyslas Rodyuk | List of journalists murdered in Ukraine
Dear PamD, This open official appeal

my name is Bohdan Rodyuk Chekan von Miller

I am an artist and industrial designer

The article on English Wikipedia Olena Chekan now set for deletion

Olena Chekan is my beloved Mother

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Olena_Chekan

OLENA CHEKAN – The Quest for a Free Ukraine - Bohdan Rodyuk Chekan (Ed.) http://derkonterfei.com/product/olena-chekan-bohdan-rodyuk-chekan-ed https://ukrainianweek.com/Columns/50/154401 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZYnhrOGjrM8 http://titel-kulturmagazin.net/2016/03/25/schlaglichter-auf-die-ukraine/

OLENA CHEKAN - Hymns to Ukrainian Art – Bohdan Rodyuk Chekan (Ed.) http://derkonterfei.com/product/olena-chekan-hymns-to-ukrainian-art-bohdan-rodyuk-chekan-ed http://ukrainianweek.com/Culture/163918 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CLcMRP4BxFM

She was the illustrious political journalist, a glorified Soviet and Ukrainian actress, prominent screenwriter and courageous person: for the extension of her life during Euromaidan all Ukraine fought, my mother died in my arms 21 December 2013, Kiev, Ukraine, from glioblastoma - brain cancer, the fourth stage of 18 months of life - a lot, you can see the statistics of this disease. And if we are talking about freedom of speech of the media in Ukraine, who did more than my Mom

http://gorbaniewska.zawolnosc.eu/ru/inne/1 http://www.ruf.rice.edu/~sarmatia/916/916morebooks.pdf

Therefore, in memory of Mom and Svetolik Skale Mitić, I started a new project:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_journalists_murdered_in_Ukraine this article is the beginning of a photo exhibition for future elections in Ukraine My project is intended to bring democratic changes to a ruined country engulfed by war and Russian aggression.

• Svetolik Skale Mitić is my first husband of my Mother you know of course that Svetolik Skale Mitić was one of the founders of journalism in the countries of the former Yugoslavia, Svetolik Skale Mitić sent letters to my Mom even from Nicaraguan captivity. I still keep his love correspondence with my Mom. https://www.svoboda.org/a/26285034.html

• General Yevgeny Miller is the father of my grandfather's brother's wife: CHEKAN (née MILLER) Maria Evgenievna, 1897-1982. Brother of my grandfather (my Mom's Father Vasily Ivanovich Chekan) - Protopresbyter archpriest Alexander Chekan (Chekan Alexander Ivanovich) (1893 - 1982) https://clio.columbia.edu/catalog/4077462?counter=1 He took part in the Russian Civil War: In the Volunteer Army and VSYUR Don Army in the 1st separate heavy howitzer division; since Aug. 28 1919 Second Lieutenant, since 30 Sep. (The Lieutenant). In the Russian Army before the evacuation of the Crimea - Siege of Perekop (1920). Staff-captain. He participated in the Gallipoli Campaign. Alexander Chekan was injured and dying from wounds, he was saved by a nurse - the future wife Maria Evgenievna, the daughter of the general Yevgeny Miller. Alexander Chekan continued to defend the Motherland on Dec. 18 1920 in the 1st battery of the 5th Artillery Battalion. He with his wife emigrated to Bulgaria (1921). He received his higher education in Sofia, where he was also the secretary of the branch of the Russian Student Christian Movement (RSCM). Chairman of the Union of Russian Students in Sofia and the Union of Russian Students in Bulgaria (1920s). Later they moved to France. Since 1947, Alexander Chekan the second priest, then the abbot of the Alexander Nevsky Cathedral, Paris.

• my uncle - Jerzy Bogdanowićz Polish theoretical nuclear physics scientist, Prof.Bogdanowićz participated in the scientific activities of the Large Hadron Collider: http://lss.fnal.gov/archive/other/sissa-3-94-ep.pdf http://adsabs.harvard.edu/abs/1988NuPhA.479..323B project in CERN and was nominated for the Nobel Prize. Jerzy Bogdanowićz - in young age the hero of Warsaw Ghetto Uprising and was awarded with The Order of Polonia Restituta (Polish: Order Odrodzenia Polski, English: Order of the Rebirth of Poland) and The Cross of Merit (Polish: Krzyż Zasługi). at his funeral in 1999, which I attended with my Mother Olena Chekan there was the red white roses wreath from the President of Poland Aleksander Kwaśniewski. • my mentor, a close friend of my Mother - Alex Moscovitch was a French politician and analyst. He was also an associate and companion of General Charles de Gaulle. We met in Moscow 1990, when my Mom was creating an interview book "The Star of Alex Moscovitch | Etoile d'Alex Moscovitch" based on regular tape recordings of conversations with Alex Moscovitch. The book-interview was published in Moscow at publishing house "NORD" 14 September 1992 with the autobiography of Alex Moscovitch "Le Temps Des Punaises" in Russian. Two years spent together with Alex Moscovitch became for me a school of life and experience that formed me. Alex Moscovitch photos on the Wikipedia page from my archive at home! I found this article and put it on his page too https://www.lemonde.fr/culture/article/2011/10/17/17-octobre-1961-toute-une-histoire_1587334_3246.html

The layout of the interview book "The Star of Alex Moscovitch | Etoile d'Alex Moscovitch" by Olena Chekan was created by my Father Stanyslas Rodyuk Master builder M.Arch. Ukrainian architect, founder of the principles of the use of fractal properties in the parametric architecture of postmodernism and urban planing in the USSR and Ukraine https://www.flickr.com/photos/155931501@N04/41187636625/in/album-72157691957163572/

• Stanyslas Rodyuk (born 24 November 1937; died 15 February 2003) was the author of the idea, creator of planning design and the developer of the architectural project of the building of The Druzhba Sanitarium in Yalta that is located on the Crimea peninsula, Ukraine, at present Russia in the Greater Yalta district. His aesthetic vision of planning was that of parametricism in urban architecture and embodied in the main promises of modernism: public space, light and a sense of opportunity.In connection with his political views, Stanyslas Rodyuk was suspended from completion of the building of The Druzhba Sanitarium in Yalta by the architect project leader Igor Vasilevsky - a son of a Marshal of the Soviet Union – Aleksandr Vasilevsky. Stanyslas Rodyuk died of left lung pneumonia caused by tumor load of sarcoma 15 February 2003. The Druzhba Sanitarium in Yalta is recognized as the best architectural project in the history of all Soviet Modernist Urban planning.

I knew these people personally! They are my family! at home I have a huge archive of their photos, letters and personal veshey

Yes, in creating these articles I acted as an amateur. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Your_first_article I independently learned and mastered the skills of working in HTML to create these articles in Wikipedia As I know one of the Wikipedia principles: make help this article better https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Writing_better_articles

But by destroying and correcting with the lack of truth these articles (none of you personally knew them!), Wikipedia destroy the truth of history.. it is against the right to freedom of opinion and expression, AI and digital security could https://www.ohchr.org/EN/Issues/FreedomOpinion/Pages/OpinionIndex.aspx

https://documents-dds-ny.un.org/doc/UNDOC/LTD/G17/071/20/PDF/G1707120.pdf?OpenElement

https://news.un.org/en/audio/2018/10/1023932

I know that during a global catastrophe Wikipedia users will be encouraged to print all articles on available printers to preserve the history of Mankind, but what we will print if the historical truth of the Wikipedia articles will be lost forever? I please you not to turn Wikipedia into a copy-paste which is published under dictation «1984» Big Brother, it is unacceptable to turn Wikipedia into a fence with graffiti that is constantly being broken by anyone who wants.

We can join forces: the professional skills of all Wikipedia administrators and editing area Users with the historical documents archive, that I saved for these articles with documentary confirmed sources of external links.

I bid you, all Wikipedia administrators and editing area Users my hand of friendship and open heart! We can make these articles, about which I am writing in my appeal and the whole of Wikipedia better: Let`s do it! Together! T∴ A∴ F∴ Cordially, Bohdan Rodyuk Chekan von Miller Esq.

Gauaren erregina (talk) 16:52 16 November 2018 (UTC)


 * I'm sorry your mother died of such a dreadful illness, but glad to hear that you were with her at the end. The place to discuss whether the page about her should be kept in the encyclopedia or not is Articles for deletion/Olena Chekan. You need to read what is said there and argue clearly against anything with which you disagree. You could also improve the article to defend it from what is said there. Where are the "independent reliable sources" which write about her life and work? Articles by yourself are not "independent". You should never have created an article about your own mother: see WP:COI which strongly advises against editing where someone has a "conflict of interest", including writing about your family. If she is "notable" in English Wikipedia's terms, then someone else would eventually write about her: you could have suggested the article at Requested articles.


 * Three years on, I can't remember how I came across the article, but my only input was to tidy it up and try to format it better. I'm not going to comment one way or the other at AfD, but that is where you should be defending the article. Please be brief there - many editors have little patience with "walls of text" and "TLDR" - "Too Long, Didn't Read it" - is a common response. Make a few key points clearly and concisely.  Pam  D  16:24, 16 November 2018 (UTC)

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Request to my talk page watchers - Community Wishlist Survey
In the Community Wishlist Survey, please vote to support "Support reverting/undoing accidentally sent thanks" in the "Mobile and apps" section - here.

I often check my watch list on my phone, and it's very easy to accidentally let ones finger drop onto the large "Thank" button while looking at a diff. If I want to thank someone when editing on a laptop, I get asked to confirm: when editing on a touchscreen on a phone there's no such confirmation check, and it's all too easy to accidentally thank someone.

Please support this request, which I made through Phabricator about four years ago and which is now seeing some progress but needs a final push from this survey. Canvassing for the wishlist survey is allowed! Thanks. Pam D  09:05, 25 November 2018 (UTC)

Thank you re redirects
Hi PamD, thank you for your note and your work on redirects for those articles. I didn't know much about redirects, so thanks a lot! Going to read up and make sure everything's neat and tidy from now on. I'm still relatively new to this Wiki business so I really appreciate your help. --Kangarooth (talk) 15:42, 26 November 2018 (UTC)

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So if bad categories unconditionally have to be removed entirely while good categories have the optional but not mandatory alternative of merely being disabled instead, but AWB offers me no way to tell whether any given category is a good or a bad one, then it's a lot more important that I prioritize making the bad categories go away over anything else. Total removal of bad categories is mandatory, while disabling good categories is an option rather than a requirement — so if I have to err in one direction or the other, then it's much more critical that I err in the direction that prevents any bad category from slipping through the cracks, rather than the one that lets any redlinked or wrong category survive. Bearcat (talk) 16:15, 18 December 2018 (UTC)


 * That's really rather depressing: instead of WP:AGF that the categories are likely to be useful, you will automatically remove this work done by another editor. I think it's against the spirit of WP:DRAFTNOCAT, and a sad waste of other editors' work. Is "total removal of bad categories" really mandatory, on draft articles? Seems unlikely. Hiding those cats with a colon or comment tags, so that their goodness or badness can be evaluated if/when the article is ready to be moved to mainspace, would seem much more constructive. Babies and bathwater come to mind. Pam  D  17:26, 18 December 2018 (UTC)

Renaming Herăstrău Park
Hi, I didn't know about the move process, sorry about that. Thanks for sorting this out. Regards, Mentatus (talk) 10:48, 20 December 2018 (UTC)
 * No problem. There's a lot to learn about editing Wikipedia but it's an interesting journey. Have a look at WP:RM to find about the various ways to request a page move: I decided this one was "uncontroversial", but if necessary there could have been a discussion about it. If you ever really need to copy material from one Wikipedia article to another, see Copying within Wikipedia for how to do it - very carefully, and with procedures to ensure that the editing history is always preserved so that we can always see which editors to credit/blame for any edits made to the article over its history. Pam  D  10:54, 20 December 2018 (UTC)

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Best wishes for peace and joy as you celebrate whatever you choose to celebrate at this point in the year, and for happy editing in 2019! Pam D  00:32, 25 December 2018 (UTC)

Add to an existing article about yourself.
Dear PamD Thank you for adding a page about me to Wikipedia, it was brought to my attention recently by a friend. I attempted to add a photograph to it together with some factual corrections! However, it appears that I am not supposed to do this. Part of a message I received said: "If you wish to add to an existing article about yourself, please propose the changes on its talk page." I am a novice on Wikipedia and it would be easier if I could use email with you to chat, rather than "User talk” as I use voice-activated software for typing purposes. Grateful thanks. R Moriarty-Simmonds RMORIARTY-SIMMONDS (talk) 15:35, 31 December 2018 (UTC)
 * I fixed the image display for you. Guy (Help!) 17:28, 31 December 2018 (UTC)

PM as initialism for Plasma membrane
Hi PamD. You undid an edit I made on the disambiguation page for PM. I completely understand the reasoning you gave, but I'd just like to attest the use of the initialism PM for plasma membrane. Here are a few published articles in which the abbreviation is used: 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6. Let me know what you think. Cheers Zumley (talk) 11:27, 7 January 2019 (UTC)
 * Attesting to the usage off-wiki is irrelevant - the criterion for something to be included in a disambiguation page is that it is mentioned in the article. The first of your sources which I checked was pay-walled so I googled and found this which is convincing, so I've added it to the article and reverted my reversion of your edit - but another time, please check for yourself that the abbreviation is actually mentioned in the article, before adding it to a dab page. Thanks. Pam  D  11:40, 7 January 2019 (UTC)
 * I didn't realise those were the criteria for inclusion in dab pages, thanks. Apologies about the pay wall. Thank you for updating the article and for your help! Zumley (talk) 11:45, 7 January 2019 (UTC)
 * See WP:DABABBREV for chapter and verse! There's always more to learn about editing this encyclopedia, but it's an interesting journey. Happy Editing. Pam  D  11:49, 7 January 2019 (UTC)
 * I'll have a look! Thanks again! Zumley (talk) 11:56, 7 January 2019 (UTC)

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HERE WE GO AGAIN...

 * Note to talk page watchers - for the source of that quote, see User talk:PJ67000 Pam  D  08:32, 18 January 2019 (UTC)

How rude are you? "Here we go again"? Learn some manners!

At least I have a life and have written 6 books which are much-loved and sell well. Have you ever written a novel, PamD?

My TV novel RASMUS has attracted interest from the CREATIVE ARTIST AGENCY the LARGEST film agency in the USA based in LA. So people will be interested in it now and in future.

You contribute for free to a fake news website called Wiki because you obviously have no life.

I know who I'd rather be, frankly. — Preceding unsigned comment added by PJ67000 (talk • contribs) 08:24, 18 January 2019 (UTC)

Proposed deletion of Southport Visiter


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Nomination of Southport Visiter for deletion
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grace period
How about a grace period as users incorporate new material. One edit conflict, then a surprising move, I prefer not to have distractions like that when I am adding content, I'm sure you will appreciate there is no need to pounce on something that should have been created years ago, and there is no urgency to add your improvements to it immediately. Just my thoughts, as I turn to your contributions instead of my own, I know what I am doing but need to double check my own improvements. Regards, cygnis insignis 10:53, 20 January 2019 (UTC)
 * Hallo, I do a lot of stub-sorting, and make changes which seem useful as I go along, including creating redirects, page moves, etc, without always checking the edit history of each article as I go. There's a very useful template under construction, which I tend to add when I'm first creating an article so that I can save it in a preliminary state and then carry on editing, alerting other editors to this; there's also in use. Sorry to tread on your toes on this one. Pam  D  11:01, 20 January 2019 (UTC)
 * You are right, I should use those templates. Cheers for the attention to it, despite the distraction. cygnis insignis 11:12, 20 January 2019 (UTC)
 * Well as a consolation I've created a brand new category for him! Happy Editing. Pam  D  11:15, 20 January 2019 (UTC)
 * And I've created a surname page at Wozencraft too as a bonus. Pam  D  11:29, 20 January 2019 (UTC)
 * Consider me consoled! cheers, again. cygnis insignis 11:37, 20 January 2019 (UTC)

WI
Dear Pam

Apologies for the delay in responding to your message. On the question of Royal patronage I would respectfully disagree, in that the various Royals hold titles/ceremonial positions within the organisation (for example, HMQ is President of the Sandringham WI). Much as Prince William is President of the FA, I think an analogy can be drawn here, such that the word "patronage" is not inappropriate in the relationship. I'm not interested in doing anything further on this, since I note you have developed my edit further with new information (for which, genuine thanks), I just thought I would record my respectful disagreement!

Best

M. L. Winslow

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I have often seen you around, and often been impressed; believing that you would succeed at RfA, and be a fine administrator.--John Cline (talk) 11:04, 3 February 2019 (UTC)
 * Thank you it's been suggested before, but I'm not prepared to put myself through the stress of RfA, even to help the project which gives me so much enjoyment in life. I'll continue to wikignome around, creating articles on a random set of topics including lots of women, stub-sorting, fixing redirects, sorting out disambiguation pages, treating the place like an infinite jigsaw-puzzle with always something more to be fitted in or tidied up. But thanks for the compliment.  Pam  D  11:26, 3 February 2019 (UTC)
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About Marie-Madeleine Mborantsuo
Dearest PamD. Working on finding topics Supreme Court of Gabon and Constitutional Court of Gabon with references in either English or French. But see Constitution of Gabon. Pete AU aka --Shirt58 (talk) 13:49, 3 February 2019 (UTC)
 * Thanks: it's interesting that the French wiki's quite long article on M-M M doesn't link to the constitutional court, even as a redlink. Good luck. Pam  D  14:51, 3 February 2019 (UTC)
 * I've created a minimal stub for the Constitutional Court, with a link from the world list in Constitutional court. A start, anyway. Pam  D  11:26, 4 February 2019 (UTC)

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Manchester meetup 36 - 9 June 2019
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Thank you for supporting the Sustainability Initiative!
Hi PamD, Thank you for supporting the Sustainability Initiative with your signature! Maybe you know another Wikipedian who'd like to sign as well? :-) --Gnom (talk) 09:11, 9 February 2019 (UTC)

Dorothy Allen
Thanks for the update. It even says on Sperry's tombstone 'Winifred'. Don't know where the Dorothy originated. But it's all over the web as Dorothy being his spouse. Unfortunately the newspaper archive I use, to vet info, is down at the moment.Koplimek (talk) 23:04, 10 February 2019 (UTC)

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Kingfishers
I see that you have moved the three kingfisher family articles to singular titles, but each still starts with a plural in the main image caption and in the opening sentence, so you really need to fix these too if you're going to make the move. I thought about doing it myself, but since the topic seems inherently plural, I'm not sure how, so I'd be grateful if you could fix the three articles so that they are consistent with their new titles and still make sense? Many thanks <b style="font-family:Lucida;color:red">Jimfbleak</b> - talk to me?  07:53, 1 March 2019 (UTC)
 * I came across Tree kingfishers (bird) first, which had been moved from Tree kingfisher in a way which seemed wrong on two counts, with the edit summary "Better looking name, less confusing.", and I reversed the move. I then looked for other recent moves by the same editor and found Kookaburra and Water kingfisher had been moved, so reverted those moves too. I agree that the infobox heading needs to be changed and have now done so: not so sure about the lead sentence. I looked for a featured article on a bird group like this and found that Albatross starts off "Albatrosses, of the biological family Diomedeidae, are ...", so that's good enough for me. I'm not a bird expert, can't remember quite how I came across that first tree kingfisher! I've put in a WP:RM for River kingfishers to complete the set, and added a hatnote there to help readers looking for Common kingfisher under that name. Hope that all makes sense now. As more of a bird person, you might have a view on whether the same editor's set of changes from List of Falconidae to List of Falcons etc are a good thing or not: Category:Lists of birds seems to have a mixture! Thanks. Pam  D  16:21, 1 March 2019 (UTC)
 * I also created a dab page at Pygmy kingfisher as it was previously a redirect to African pygmy kingfisher but is listed as an alternative name for River kingfisher(s). Pam  D  16:42, 1 March 2019 (UTC)
 * OK, thanks for that. I'm not sure how much currency pygmy kingfisher has as a synonym for the family, but it can't do any harm, so that's fine with me <b style="font-family:Lucida;color:red">Jimfbleak</b> - talk to me?  16:56, 1 March 2019 (UTC)

Withdrawing an RfD
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 * Thanks for the reminder. I did rummage around a bit in the info at Redirects for discussion, but didn't find anything about withdrawing! Pam  D  21:41, 7 March 2019 (UTC)
 * That's a good point - I'll draft something at WT:RFD (probably based on the AfD instructions when I get a chance, which might not be until tomorrow). Thryduulf (talk) 22:00, 7 March 2019 (UTC)

Precious anniversary
--Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:50, 8 March 2019 (UTC)
 * Thanks, Gerda! Pam  D  16:40, 8 March 2019 (UTC)

Sunita Kamble
Are you still working on this?  DGG ( talk ) 19:56, 13 March 2019 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the reminder - I'll do a bit more tomorrow. Pam  D  19:59, 13 March 2019 (UTC)

NPR Newsletter No.17


Hello ,


 * News
 * The WMF has announced that Google Translate is now available for translating articles through the content translation tool. This may result in an increase in machine translated articles in the New Pages Feed. Feel free to use the tag and gently remind (or inform) editors that translations from other language Wikipedia pages still require attribution per WP:TFOLWP.


 * Discussions of interest
 * Two elements of CSD G6 have been split into their own criteria: R4 for redirects in the "File:" namespace with the same name as a file or redirect at Wikimedia Commons (Discussion), and G14 for disambiguation pages which disambiguate zero pages, or have "(disambiguation)" in the title but disambiguate a single page (Discussion).
 * db-blankdraft was merged into G13 (Discussion)
 * A discussion recently closed with no consensus on whether to create a subject-specific notability guideline for theatrical plays.
 * There is an ongoing discussion on a proposal to create subject-specific notability guidelines for chemicals and organism taxa.


 * Reminders
 * NPR is not a binary keep / delete process. In many cases a redirect may be appropriate. The deletion policy and its associated guideline clearly emphasise that not all unsuitable articles must be deleted. Redirects are not contentious. See a classic example of the templates to use. More templates are listed at the R template index. Reviewers who are not aware, do please take this into consideration before PROD, CSD, and especially AfD  because not even all admins are aware of such policies, and many NAC do not have a full knowledge of them.


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 * The NPP flowchart now has clickable hyperlinks.

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Nomination of Richard Saucedo for deletion
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April 2019
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Lifelong Learning Platform
Thanks for that. It wasn't the same but I suspect it could have originated from the same place. I've moved it to draft and will drop the creator a line. Deb (talk) 17:03, 28 March 2019 (UTC)

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Requested move: Chairman → Chair (officer)
Hello, there is an RM discussion you may be interested in since you have participated in the past:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Chairman#Requested_move_22_March_2019

Any input would be appreciated. Fyunck(click) (talk) 03:46, 16 April 2019 (UTC)

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Running blades
Hi, did you get any interest yet from other editors in your proposed article about running blades? If it's still on your to-do list I might be interested in collaborating with you. I had been struggling with health issues for quite some time that resulted in my edit rate here slowing way down. I feel I need something substantial to do here to get my wiki-mojo flowing again. Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 07:31, 24 April 2019 (UTC)
 * No, no-one has responded (to be honest I can't remember where it was that I posted about that missing article!) It's not really on my to-do list - quite a few things are, but most especially a lot of off-wiki stuff, I've only allowed myself to log back on briefly as a little treat and will shortly resume my wikibreak. Good luck with the article if you decide to go for it, but I won't be collaborating, sorry. Pam  D  22:52, 29 April 2019 (UTC)
 * For any interested talk-page watchers: see WT:WikiProject Olympics/Paralympics. Pam  D  07:37, 2 May 2019 (UTC)

Restroom and Toilet
If you're going to add a disputed tag to Restroom, shouldn't you add the same tag to Toilet, where the disputed material comes from? bd2412 T 17:49, 5 May 2019 (UTC)
 * Never mind, I see the specific point of dispute that you are raising. bd2412  T 17:51, 5 May 2019 (UTC)


 * I came across Restroom while stub-sorting. I didn't notice any acknowledgement of the material being copied! Toilet doesn't say the "Restroom" is used in a domestic setting. Pam  D  17:55, 5 May 2019 (UTC)

References to OED
Pam, hello again. More unit stuff (!)... and I was just looking at Lea (unit), and the OED reference gives me a demand to "sign in". I had a vague recollection that access was free from the UK, but not elsewhere, although the website suggests this is not true. (But of course I don't know whether it is detecting where I am, and giving a different message.) Can you confirm? I'm going to add "subscription required" to the citation template anyway. Imaginatorium (talk) 17:13, 11 May 2019 (UTC)

NPR Newsletter No.18


Hello ,

, a product manager for the growth team, announced that work is underway in implementing improvements to New Page Patrol as part of the 2019 Community Wishlist and suggests all who are interested watch the project page on meta. Two requested improvements have already been completed. These are:
 * WMF at work on NPP Improvements
 * Allow filtering by no citations in page curation
 * Not having CSD and PRODs automatically marked as reviewed, reflecting current consensus among reviewers and current Twinkle functionality.

has been compiling a list of reliable sources across countries and industries that can be used by new page patrollers to help judge whether an article topic is notable or not. At this point further discussion is needed about if and how this list should be used. Please consider joining the discussion about how this potentially valuable resource should be developed and used.
 * Reliable Sources for NPP

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 * Backlog drive coming soon


 * News
 * Following a request for comment, the subject-specific notability guideline for pornographic actors and models (WP:PORNBIO) was removed; in its place, editors should consult WP:ENT and WP:GNG.


 * Discussions of interest
 * A request for bot approval for a bot to patrol two kinds of redirects
 * There has been a lot discussion about Notability of Academics
 * What, if anything, would a SNG for Softball look like

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Books & Bytes, Issue 33
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