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Weymouth Grammar School
True, but does say school now Weymouth Arts Centre. Will research more. Remove if you wish.Bashereyre (talk) 07:46, 26 April 2013 (UTC)

Hi
Hi PamD, I am new comer on English Wikipedia. Thanks for pointing out important things which I was not aware. I will retify the things today itself. Kindly let me know if I have done those correctly. Coolgama (talk) 08:46, 1 May 2013 (UTC)

Miomantinaes
Hi! I got your message on that article, sorry I must have made a mistake when I added that category that was not appropriate (I had a feeling about that). I was in a rush at the time and I really forgot that I changed that article, I got the information form the country I was born in which is Sri Lanka, I knew what these creatures were and I had a several of them as pets! I will try my hardest to cite my sources and add more info, feel free to delete, change or even tag the page for deletion, whatever's fine for you. Regards PBASH607 (The One Day Apocalypse) (talk) 22:20, 1 May 2013 (UTC)

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Himalayan (guinea pig)
Hello, can you please not redirect my Himalayan (guinea pig) article, because I would like to know about them. Lusa bear (talk) 17:54, 30 April 2013 (UTC)
 * OK, I see you have now added more information so that the stub article has more information than the existing list, which was previously not the case. But you have not provided any sources, so we don't know how reliable the content is. Please provide sources for the information you have added - references to books, journals, websites which are the source of your information. If it just "stuff I know" then it should not be in the encyclopedia. Please note also that if you create an article with a title like this you need to make sure that someone searching for "Himalayan" can find it - I have added an entry to the disambiguation page at Himalayan for you.  Pam  D  22:33, 30 April 2013 (UTC)
 * Ok, can you do some of them things because I might not be on here for a little while. Lusa bear (talk) 09:36, 5 May 2013 (UTC)
 * No, I cannot add the sources for the information you have added to an article. I will revert the article to a redirect again. If you come back with sources for your information you can re-create the article.  Pam  D  09:06, 7 May 2013 (UTC)

Max Borin
You posted to User talk:Max Borin. He was another Paul Bedson sock. Dougweller (talk) 15:22, 4 May 2013 (UTC)
 * I wondered! Something about the obsessive creation of ministubs with a single source. Sad. Pam  D  08:07, 7 May 2013 (UTC)

Notifications box replacement prototypes released
Hey PamD; Kaldari has finished scripting a set of potential replacements available to test and give feedback on. Please go to this thread for more detail on how to enable them. Okeyes (WMF) (talk) 15:30, 7 May 2013 (UTC)

Thanks!
Pam, Thanks for your help in creating We Who Are Young. No reply is needed. David Spector (talk) 22:34, 7 May 2013 (UTC)

Prodigy
Hi Pam: I tried to neaten up the above entry as per your 11 Feb notability and citations banners; I've posted a query in the Talk section, but wanted to leave removal of the banner up to you. I did what I could about citations. Best, Zoidbergmd (talk) 23:52, 7 May 2013 (UTC) PS. And I think it's amazing you've made more than 65,000 Wikipedia contributions. As a frequent Wiki user, I'd like to tip my hat and say 'Thank you.' Zoidbergmd (talk) 00:15, 8 May 2013 (UTC)

We who are young (movie) listed at Redirects for discussion
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Nomination of Sohel Rana (businessman) for deletion
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Reply re stubs
Hi Pam, apologies for the stub link on a disambiguation, I saw the photo on the page and didn't notice it was a disambiguation. Mpdehnel (talk) 16:03, 15 May 2013 (UTC)

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I am sorry. I did not notice the stub template on that page. I will take the layout into consideration before editing an article.

Thanks Ramakrishnan.nikhil (talk) 15:38, 19 May 2013 (UTC)

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Promptuarii
Hi! I got 1555 from p. 153 of Mary Queen of Scots which says "It appeared at Lyons in 1555." - Maybe 1553 was really the date? Maybe it's a source conflict? WhisperToMe (talk) 08:10, 20 May 2013 (UTC)

If 60's Were 90's
This is my first attempt at creating a disambiguation page; could you check that it's formatted correctly?-- Laun  chba  ller  22:34, 22 May 2013 (UTC)

AfD
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Crater, Mendocino County, California
You tagged Crater, Mendocino County, California for speedy deletion as a hoax. I checked the GNIS at http://geonames.usgs.gov/pls/gnispublic/ and was able to confirm that the place exists. I was not able to confirm the former name (which may well have been a hoax), so I removed that claim from the article. If I am editing an article about a settlement in the United States, I will generally try to add a reference to GNIS if the article does not already have one. Eastmain (talk • contribs) 14:07, 28 May 2013 (UTC)
 * I see you're in the UK. You can verify the location of settlements in Great Britain through the Ordnance Survey. Eastmain (talk • contribs) 14:15, 28 May 2013 (UTC)
 * I see that Crater is billed as a "locale", defined as being something other than a populated place, so I don't see it as having any notability. Pam  D  14:24, 28 May 2013 (UTC)

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PamD
I removed that picture because it was a copyright infringement. Please do not re-add the photo. Thanks. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Harrybeckett (talk • contribs) 17:27, 4 June 2013 (UTC)
 * But you uploaded it to Commons and said that it was your own work and you licensed it irrevocably to be shared and used for any purpose. Are you saying it was not your own work? Or trying to go back on the irrevocable licensing statement you made at the time? Pam  D  18:01, 4 June 2013 (UTC)

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California Labor School revisions/reversions
Hello PamD: Regarding the California Labor School article, I see that user Msulaiman91 (who is a student in my class and doing this for a class assignment) overstepped by replacing the existing content. I've contacted her and urged a more careful approach. Thanks! Toby Higbie (talk) 22:44, 8 June 2013 (UTC)
 * Thanks for letting me know. It might be worth reminding your students to add the "educational assignment" banner which you've already told them to add! I've made a probably over-long comment at User_talk:Msulaiman91. (Oh and sorry about reverting your edit with an irrelevant edit summary - I meant to "undo" the two edits together, hers and yours, but can't have clicked the right button.)  Pam  D  09:32, 9 June 2013 (UTC)

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Stubs
It's funny, I was thinking about dropping you a talk page message as well. I had noticed from Category talk:Stubs that you've been particularly active in stub-sorting recently. It was up around ~720 when I started whittling at it in my spare time a couple of days ago.

In recent years, seems like only a trickle of pages ever showed up at Category:Stubs, but nowadays it can be dozens or hundreds a day. Do you know if something's changed? Woodshed (talk) 14:15, 13 June 2013 (UTC)


 * It seems that User:Lugnuts is working his way round the encyclopedia labelling stubs which have hitherto not been tagged as such (not sure of his pattern of work, but alphabetical lumps of stubs appear from time to time - and it should presumably be a finite, though perhaps enormous, project, needing in future only a regular trawl through newly-created articles), but beyond that it's just the routine tagging of stubs by their authors or by New Page Patrollers, as far as I know. And of course the size of the category depends on how many stub-sorters are active any day/week/month - the balance between input and output. Pam  D  16:20, 13 June 2013 (UTC)

Thanks!
Thanks for fixing up the Skeeby article even more! References look much sweeter! Cacolantern 19:08, 13 June 2013 (UTC)

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Please have a look at Talk:Murse. Michael! (talk) 11:00, 15 June 2013 (UTC)
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Welcome template
Hey, nice template that you used to welcome a new contributor, lots of good stuff in there. What's the code for it? I couldn't tell from the page and I'd like to use it! The Ukulele Guy - Aggie80 (talk) 13:39, 20 June 2013 (UTC)
 * I get it from the drop-down menu in Twinkle, but it's W-screen. Pam  D  13:42, 20 June 2013 (UTC)
 * And it's supposed to be subst'd, so you put .  (If you click on "edit" on that talk page, the template tells what it is, at the top.) I like it, though some people think the bouncing ball is silly. (As you can see, I copied that bouncing ball over to my user page.)  Pam  D  13:47, 20 June 2013 (UTC)


 * Thanks! As you can probably tell, I'm pretty new at this.  I've got Twinkle turned on now!  Man, if someone had sent that to me when I first showed up here!  But the whole organization has definitely matured a great deal since my first visits years ago!The Ukulele Guy - Aggie80 (talk) 14:10, 20 June 2013 (UTC)

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Pseudophysics
Thanks for 'clarifying' the stub...this had been brought up on irc, so I did some 'quick' fixes, but I wasn't really sure if it deserved to be under 'physics' so I left it generic for a more specialized editor to fix....again, thanks. Revent (talk) 23:35, 21 June 2013 (UTC)

Charity template
It looks as if your EW charity template has broken - think Char Commission has done another redesign. Would you be able to fix this? Scottish one still works. --Mervyn (talk) 14:09, 4 June 2013 (UTC)
 * Thanks for reminding me - I'd already noticed it, and have contacted my mole at the CC (who to my delight is still there - it's been 4 years since the last revamp), and he's given me a helpful-looking reply, which I've yet to implement. Will have a go either later today or very soon: I feel I need to be clear-headed when messing with a template, and have just been sitting out in the sun for rather too long! Pam  D  16:41, 4 June 2013 (UTC)
 * Sorry about the delay, but I think I've now fixed it. If you spot any problems, do let me know. Thanks for taking an interest. Pam  D  20:16, 5 June 2013 (UTC)
 * Many thanks for fixing this - I find it a highly useful template. --Mervyn (talk) 07:43, 6 June 2013 (UTC)
 * Please however could you check the links before adding them. You have twice linked the end child poverty charity to a "removed from register" page at the charity commission website even though it was reverted with explanation the first time. This is unhelpful. Thanks. --BozMo talk 17:49, 22 June 2013 (UTC)
 * Sorry about that: I did think it seemed familiar when I searched for it the second time, but thought that if anything I must have got muddled and clicked "Save" before adding the link the first time round. Didn't notice the reversion and explanation because I'm not adding all these pages to my watchlist. When a search of the CC register finds multiple hits I look carefully to find the one which is the current registration, but I will try to remember to check more carefully that single hits aren't "removed" entries. This seems to be an odd case where a charity existed but now exists "hosted" by CPAG instead: I've tried to clarify in the article. The categories about charities are probably still relevant, as it's a coalition of charities even though it apparently is no longer a free-standing charity in itself.


 * Since the CC revamped its website again so that the template needed an update (see above), I've been working on adding the template to other E&W charities - quite a lot had dead non-templated links to the CC's old website, some mention the registration number but didn't have a link to CC, and plenty just say it's a charity but don't include the reg no. I think the CC info is a useful External Link for a charity, as it provides access to so much info about it - so adding those links is my ongoing project. Sorry I got it wrong, twice, in this case!  Pam  D  19:05, 22 June 2013 (UTC)
 * No Problem. And I both understand the frustration with the CC redoing their pages and appreciate the work trying to fix it. I am involved in several charities and the links out to the Charity Commission on the about us pages all broke. They must have caused chaos by not redirecting. --BozMo talk 20:13, 22 June 2013 (UTC)

Shyam avo te rang mune
I am trying to understand why you feel that this page is not about a musical or why this is not valid for speedy deletion? It is a musical prayer "song" i.e. a bhajan in hindi. There a multiple mp3 versions available on internet of this bhajan and this is not notable as there are a multitude of indian folk songs and bhajans that are played on loud speakers in any temple and sometimes even adopted in movies and would encourage entry into wikipedia. I dont think they pass the notability test. But want to understand your thoughts too. (Search "mari amma mari amma" in google - a tamil prayer for goddess durga which i have heard many times in temple loud speakers on streets, this is the kind of notability this bhajan has.)Thanks.  Amit   ►  00:16, 26 June 2013 (UTC)
 * The criteria for Speedy Deletion are deliberately narrow so that only obviously inappropriate articles can be deleted speedily. This article is about a prayer. The fact that it has been recorded does not make it "a recording". G9 applies to musical recordings: this prayer has a much wider identity.


 * I'm by no means sure that this article has a place in the encyclopedia, but G9 is not the criterion on which to delete it. You could use "Proposed deletion", if you consider it is not appropriate to be in the encyclopedia,giving your reasons. On the other hand, if there are "multiple mp3 versions" of it, perhaps it is notable? Pam  D  07:03, 26 June 2013 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!
Thanks, Oliver, that's kind. I'm glad to be able to spot and report a few glitches and help in the development of what should, eventually, be an easier way to edit the encyclopedia! Pam D  15:11, 24 June 2013 (UTC)
 * It's very much appreciated :). Honestly, I've been bowled away by how much of the feedback is constructive and how many people are endeavouring to help fix the software. I think it's a testament to both the solidity of the development process and, more importantly, the willingness of editors to see that this is something we need. Okeyes (WMF) (talk) 10:59, 28 June 2013 (UTC)

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In the section VisualEditor/Feedback I discussed references, having taken an article through from conception to launch. (I am currently being ignored for ask the wrong question- forcefully). References appear to have been an afterthought, and no serious analysis has ever been done on the process of editing.

In my field writing an article is 40% writing the text- and 60% adding references and other templates. sfn and efns are the way that we all use. The newbies I help are mostly concerned with how to reference. No matter. There isn't a written functional specification to test against, or even standard testing schedule. The programming paradigm appears to be- get in some cool graphical interface and then write some code to make it work- hence this phase of bug-hunting.

It should never have been allowed to get to this stage- but as it has it could be made to work were it to allow wikiformat to be entered into the text, and then before the text is saved, the existing wikitext parser should be employed to render that into plain text. That plaintext should then be passed back to the VE save mechanism for saving. But as I am currently being ignored I pass it on to you, so you can reintroduce it into the discussion when you feel the time is right.

I fear the programming and PR-teams are going to feel terribly bruised when they loose this into the wild tomorrow. Regards -- Clem Rutter (talk) 21:44, 30 June 2013 (UTC)

Thank you
Thanks, Maggie. It's good to feel useful, and I've always believed that there's no point in whinging about things without reporting the problems appropriately to the people who need to know! Good luck with it all: VE is a massive project, used by thousands of editors of wildly varying expectations and backgrounds, and it'll be a long time before the dust settles. Glad to be able to help. Pam D  14:41, 2 July 2013 (UTC)

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about some information
hey i want u to make put some information on early vedic civilization and later vedic civilization so please put some information about that please sir — Preceding unsigned comment added by 123.237.122.128 (talk • contribs)


 * I'll leave that to those who are experts on, or particularly interested in, vedic civilisation. Pam  D  08:46, 6 July 2013 (UTC)

Help with proof-reading?
Hi, I am Ulf Larsen, Norwegian, and I mostly contribute to the Norwegian Bokmål/Riksmål version of Wikipedia. I do however once in a while also translate articles from Norwegian into English, usually when I think no-one else will do it. I have done so with two articles recently, Operation Claw and Kai Holst, and I look for a native English speaker that could help me in proof-reading them. If your list of tasks here is full I hope you will excuse me for interrupting you. :-) Best regards, Ulflarsen (talk) 13:16, 26 June 2013 (UTC)
 * Sorry not to reply sooner, Ulf: I'm concentrating at the moment on doing things with the new Visual Editor and reporting bugs etc. I hope you can find someone else, perhaps a WWII enthusiast, to help with your articles. Pam  D  13:12, 17 July 2013 (UTC)

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A Barnstar for you
Awww! Thryduulf beat me to it. You've been doing excellent work on this, and I do hope that your thoughtful words are given the serious consideration they are due. I think there are an awful lot of us who really want this to work, and it's almost heartbreaking to see it being pushed out to more and more editors when it's not ready yet. Risker (talk) 05:30, 17 July 2013 (UTC)


 * Thanks, both. It's encouraging to see that most of the regulars on the talkback page seem to be in agreement: VE has massive potential but ain't ready yet. But then, we have some characteristics in common: people willing to put some effort into probing VE to see what it can and can't do and commenting helpfully thereon, and perhaps finding the whole thing grimly fascinating, rather than the "take it away I don't like it" brigade. Will be interesting to see what happens. Pam  D  15:16, 17 July 2013 (UTC)

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Two Birds dab
I don't know what is primary in this situation, but we'll try it your way and see if anyone else comments. Thanks for your help. Davidhof (talk) 14:10, 19 July 2013 (UTC)

Admin?
Hi. I'm sure you've been asked this plenty of times, but have you given any thought to becoming an administrator? You'd certainly be great in the role based on your edits, and I'd gladly nominate you. Wizardman 21:44, 20 July 2013 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the compliment. I expect I could be a useful admin (and, yes, it's been suggested a few times), and it would sometimes be useful to have the tools (eg to compare a newly-re-created article with the previous deleted version), but I don't think it's worth the stress of submitting myself to an inquisition by hostile people demanding my views on topics where I have no views and challenging my lack of activities in areas where I choose not to participate. I don't need to collect any more hats, and there's enough stress in my Real Life without getting involved in angst on-Wiki. It's a pity the RfA process is like that, but that's how I see it. Pam  D  22:51, 21 July 2013 (UTC)

TD Editor
Hi,

I will try to look at this tomorrow. Have you actually edited a template ? The "TemplateData" item appears in the left menu only when editing a template (not when just reading). --NicoV (Talk on frwiki) 23:18, 20 July 2013 (UTC)
 * Ah, thanks. I was expecting it to appear in the toolbox as an alternative to using the editor. Once I've opened the editor, it appears there fine. I wonder if it's worth amending the documentation to make this clearer ... or perhaps I was just being a bit thick there! Thanks again, I'll have a go with it now. Pam  D  07:44, 21 July 2013 (UTC)
 * Not good, so far: opened Template:Genukiwry/doc, clicked "Edit", clicked "TemplateData": it complained that there wasn't any templatedata to edit. Backed out, went to WP:TemplateData to remind myself of the format, added, both with and without a blank line in between, and it complained of a JSON error. No time to do more today, I need to go out and do Real Life things.  Pam  D  07:54, 21 July 2013 (UTC)
 * For the documentation, yes: could you enhance it ? English is not my mother tongue, and I always think that users can write better documentation than tools providers ;-)
 * Once you have open the template in edit mode, you can add  in the wikitext, and then click on the "TemplateData" link (no need to save the wikitext or preview it before, or you'll get the JSON error). Once you have finished creating the TD with the TD editor, the wikitext will be updated and you can then save the modifications.
 * You can ping me on my English talk page, I get email notifications. --NicoV (Talk on frwiki) 08:16, 21 July 2013 (UTC)

VE newsletter
Hey PamD. The newest updates: Along with some miscellaneous language support fixes. That's all for today; as always, let us know if you spot more bugs. Thanks, Okeyes (WMF) (talk) 22:07, 24 July 2013 (UTC)
 * Links now don't extend over space/punctuation/workbreaks when you type (51463)
 * Users with the "minoredit" preference set get working functionality (51515)
 * You can tab to buttons in dialogs, including the save dialog (50047)
 * We now show the (or ) message as an edit notice (51459)
 * You can scroll dialog panels like in transclusions' templates' parameter listings (51739)
 * Templates that only create meta-data and no display content at all (like Template:Use dmy dates) now can't be deleted accidentally or deliberately, but still don't show up (51322)
 * FlaggedRevisions integration (49699)
 * Edit summary will get the section title pre-added if you launched from a section edit link (50872)

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Articles on names should be separate from disambiguation pages. I created this article as a link to the larger article at List of most popular given names because it kept triggering messages on disambiguation from User:DPL bot. I've reverted the changes at that page and restored the article I created. --Bookworm857158367 (talk) 13:06, 29 July 2013 (UTC)
 * I've copied the given-name-holders from the dab page to the given-name page, and cleaned up the dab page. Pam  D  15:28, 29 July 2013 (UTC)

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Looking ahead: The next planned upgrade is scheduled for next Thursday, and you should expect to find a redesigned toolbar with drop-down menus that include room for references, templates, underline, strikethrough, superscript, subscript, and code formatting. There will also be keyboard shortcuts for setting the format (paragraph vs section headings).

If you are active at other Wikipedias, the next group of Wikipedias to have VisualEditor offered to all users is being determined at this time. Generally speaking, languages that depend on the input method editor are not going to receive VisualEditor this month. The current target date is Tuesday, September 24 for logged-in users only. You can help with translating the documentation. In several cases, most of the translation is already done, and it only needs to be copied over to the relevant Wikipedia. If you are interested in finding out whether a particular Wikipedia is currently on the list, you can leave a message for me at my talk page.

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Sry for no edit summary on WSOH. I meant to recommend redirection to 5FDP. --Jax 0677 (talk) 21:31, 9 September 2013 (UTC)

Et tu, Brute?
I saw an edit of yours that was tagged with "mobile". As 99.9% of the mobile edits I come across are vandalism edits, I've come to the conclusion that you are now a vandal. Today, I was called a Nazi loving Wiki cop who was beaten by their parents. I'll start acting the part. I've got my eye on you Pam. I'll look at every edit of yours and undo it for vandalism. :) Bgwhite (talk) 06:00, 12 September 2013 (UTC)
 * Mobile editing is pretty strange - the system won't let me see certain pages, and my watch list comes in a very un-user-friendly format - but I do it from time to time. (Well, usually in the small hours of the morning when can't sleep). Given the high proportion of younger people who seem to live their lives online on their phones, I'm surprised Wikipedia isn't more mobile-editor-friendly: your 99.9 (-ish) figure is interesting! Any of my vandalism is likely to be a slip of the fingers on my small and not-very-smart phone (so seriously un-cool it hasn't even got a Wiki article!) - similarly, I'm likely to "Thank" some unlikely people as the button is large and clear and in bottom right corner of screen, just next to the phone button for "back". Bad design there. Ah well. Pam  D  08:28, 13 September 2013 (UTC)
 * Yea, I tried editing on my 7" tablet. That was not fun and won't be doing that again. I'm "old" too and don't even have a cell phone. I had one for my previous job, but I was on call 24-7.  Calls at night, out doing something and even once on Christmas morning.  I vowed never to have that devil thing.  The mobile programmers and Visual Editor programmers get together everyday to figure out to make us even more miserable.  Bgwhite (talk) 08:55, 13 September 2013 (UTC)

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VisualEditor has been updated twice in the last two weeks. As usual, what is now running on the English Wikipedia had a test run at Mediawiki during the previous week.

As announced, the toolbar was redesigned to be simpler, shorter, and to have the ability to have drop-down groups with descriptions. What you see now is the initial configuration and is expected to change in response to feedback from the English Wikipedia and other Wikipedias. The controls to add  (underline),   (subscript), and   (superscript),   (strikethrough) and   (computer code/monospace font) annotations to text are available to all users in the drop-down menu. At the moment, all but the most basic tools have been moved into a single drop-down menu, including the tools for inserting media, references, reference lists, and templates. The current location of all of the items in the toolbar is temporary, and your opinions about the best order are needed! Please offer suggestions at VisualEditor/Feedback/Toolbar.

In an eagerly anticipated upgrade to the reference dialog, newly added references or reference groups no longer need the page to be saved before they can be re-used (bugs 51689 and 52000). The 'Use existing reference' button is now disabled on pages which don't yet have any references (bug 51848). The template parameter filter in the transclusion dialog now searches both parameter name and label (bug 51670).

In response to several requests, there are some new keyboard shortcuts. You can now set the block/paragraph formatting from the keyboard: Ctrl sets a block as a regular paragraph; Ctrl up to Ctrl sets it as a Heading 1 ("Page title") to Heading 6 ("Sub-heading 4"); Ctrl sets it as pre-formatted (bug 33512). Ctrl, which creates level 2 section headings, may be the most useful.

Some improvements were made to capitalization for links, so typing in "iPhone" will offer a link to "iPhone" as well as "IPhone" (bug 50452).

Copying and pasting within the same document should work better as of today's update, as should copying from VisualEditor into a third-party application (bug 53364, bug 52271, bug 52460). Work on copying and pasting between VisualEditor instances (for example, between two articles) and retaining formatting when copying from an external source into VisualEditor is progressing.

Major improvements to editing with input method editors (IMEs; mostly used for Indic and East Asian languages) are being deployed today. This is a complex change, so it may produce unexpected errors. On a related point, the names of languages listed in the "languages" (langlinks) panel in the Page settings dialog now display as RTL when appropriate (bug 53503).

Looking ahead: The help/'beta' menu will soon expose the build number next to the "Leave feedback" link, so users can give more specific reports about issues they encounter (bug 53050). This change will make it easier for developers to identify any cacheing issues, once it starts reporting the build number (currently, it says "Version false"). Also, inserting a link, reference or media file will put the cursor after the new content again (bug 53560). Next week’s update will likely improve how dropdowns and other selection menus behave when they do not fit on the screen, with things scrolling so the selected item is always in view.

If you are active at other Wikipedias, the next group of Wikipedias to have VisualEditor offered to all users is being finalized. About two dozen Wikipedias are on the list for Tuesday, September 24 for logged-in users only, and on Monday, September 30 for unregistered editors. You can help with translating the documentation. In several cases, most of the translation is already done, and it only needs to be copied over to the relevant Wikipedia. If you are interested in finding out whether a particular Wikipedia is currently on the list, you can leave a message for me at my talk page.

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Change of "inclusive or".
I want to revert your change. Reasons: "links from dab page should not be piped": There are several examples of the same page which do use pipes. Using "Inclusive Or" is more fitting to the context (the article is named "Or") and more people will understand it ("Inclusive or": 1.48 Million Google Hits. "logical disjunction": 0.03 Million Google Hits). "Logical disjunction" is just one of many applications of the concept of Inclusive Or (which subsumes the set operation, the boolean logic operation, etc.) and is just a technical expression for it. I will remove the "depicted as |, ∨, or simply or" part. Because it implies being exhaustive, while there are several other ways to write it (+, ||, max, etc.) — Preceding unsigned comment added by RicardAnufriev (talk • contribs) 13:42, 29 September 2013 (UTC)

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As one of a highly select international group, you are hereby invited to join me in celebrating my 666! (Let the games begin!) Pdfpdf (talk) 11:17, 30 September 2013 (UTC)

Your revert of And/Or
You reverted my change: https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=And/or&oldid=575065142&diff=prev saying: "revert removal of sourced information - no requirement for a ref to be available online, and the publication certainly exists; upgrade"

Could you provide evidence about the existence of exactly this article? It is adressed to https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bryan_A._Garner And his article lists very many articles he wrote (including articles in the Student Lawyer). Because of it's length (and because it is not stated otherwise) I assume it is a complete list. But nowhere is the article "Looking for words to kill? Start with these." mentioned. — Preceding unsigned comment added by RicardAnufriev (talk • contribs).


 * You appear to be suggesting that User:Stufff added an invented reference in their edit of 1 September 2006. That is a very serious accusation to make, constituting a Personal attack on that editor who you are accusing of a lack of integrity. (And just think: if you were inventing a reference, would you cite the current year of an existing American journal? Far too easily verified not to exist, if that were the case). Please WP:AGF unless you have access to the given issue of the journal and can show that the article does not exist. I would not expect the publications list of an academic's Wikipedia article to list every article, even when, as in this case, the list is inappropriately long. And please sign your postings on talk pages, as you have already been asked to do. Pam  D  14:34, 30 September 2013 (UTC)
 * It is not a personal attack or NPA, according to "The Definition of personal attacks and NPA on Wikipedia" published in "Virginia Journal of International Law" (1981)...
 * Maybe I've become to cynical because of stuff like 'Obama: "Deutschland ist ein besetztes Land und wird es auch bleiben"' (Obama: "Germany is an occupied country and will stay this way forever"), an invented quote, referenced ad absurdum.
 * But if I randomly stumble on something which can't be verified and _contradicts_ other information, I must assume error or bad faith. In both cases it should be removed --RicardAnufriev (talk) 23:59, 30 September 2013 (UTC)
 * If you have doubts about the reference, raise them on the article's talk page, or ask the editor who added the ref ( they are not very active but they might have email notifications from their talkpage), or ask at the law wikiproject for someone with access to the title to check it. Or all three. Don't just remove sourced content. Pam D  06:19, 1 October 2013 (UTC)
 * Ok, I will. Sorry for the trouble. --RicardAnufriev (talk) 15:47, 1 October 2013 (UTC)

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Hey Pam can you help me with this page so it can be better Hunter Darkwolf (talk • contribs) 18:23, 7 October 2013 (UTC)

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Greetings and... reply
Greetings PamD. Thank you for your note. It does you credit :) Brusqueness, or at least appearing to be brusque, is indeed an undesirable result of keyboard-to-screen communication, and something of which I am all too often "guilty" myself... The response on my talk page was not aimed at you personally – it just me having a bit o' fun while having me cuppa. Regards, --Technopat (talk) 14:22, 15 October 2013 (UTC)

VisualEditor newsletter on 16 October 2013
VisualEditor is still being updated every Thursday. As usual, what is now running on the English Wikipedia had a test run at Mediawiki during the previous week. If you haven't done so already, you can turn on VisualEditor by going to your preferences and choosing the item, " ".

The reference dialog for all Wikipedias, especially the way it handles citation templates, is being redesigned. Please offer suggestions and opinions at mw:VisualEditor/Design/Reference Dialog. (Use your Wikipedia username/password to login there.) You can also drag and drop references (select the reference, then hover over the selected item until your cursor turns into the drag-and-drop tool). This also works for some templates, images, and other page elements (but not yet for text or floated items). References are now editable when they appear inside a media item's caption (bug 50459).

There were a number of miscellaneous fixes made: Firstly, there was a bug that meant that it was impossible to move the cursor using the keyboard away from a selected node (like a reference or template) once it had been selected (bug 54443). Several improvements have been made to scrollable windows, panels, and menus when they don't fit on the screen or when the selected item moves off-screen. Editing in the "slug" at the start of a page no longer shows up a chess pawn character ("♙") in some circumstances (bug 54791). Another bug meant that links with a final punctuation character in them broke extending them in some circumstances (bug 54332). The "page settings" dialog once again allows you to remove categories (bug 54727). There have been some problems with deployment scripts, including one that resulted in VisualEditor being broken for an hour or two at all Wikipedias (bug 54935). Finally, snowmen characters ("☃") no longer appear near newly added references, templates and other nodes (bug 54712).

Looking ahead: Development work right now is on rich copy-and-paste abilities, quicker addition of citation templates in references, setting media items' options (such as being able to put images on the left), switching into wikitext mode, and simplifying the toolbar. A significant amount of work is being done on other languages during this month. If you speak a language other than English, you can help with translating the documentation.

For other questions or suggestions, or if you encounter problems, please let everyone know by posting problem reports at VisualEditor/Feedback and other ideas at Wikipedia talk:VisualEditor. Thank you! Whatamidoing (WMF) (talk) 18:36, 16 October 2013 (UTC)

Wikipedia mobile feedback
My name is Kenan. I am the product manager for Wikipedia Mobile. I noticed that you recently made an edit on Mobile and I'd love to ask you some questions and get your feedback on Wikipedia on mobile. This would be a great chance to affect the way that we build our website and apps.

Thanks! — Preceding unsigned comment added by KWang (WMF) (talk • contribs) 23:43, 16 October 2013 (UTC)
 * I'd be happy to help, as the mobile system seems quite strange! Ask your questions. Pam  D  06:20, 17 October 2013 (UTC)

Nomination of Manchester Gazette (website) for deletion
A discussion is taking place as to whether the article Manchester Gazette (website) is suitable for inclusion in Wikipedia according to Wikipedia's policies and guidelines or whether it should be deleted.

The article will be discussed at Articles for deletion/Manchester Gazette (website) until a consensus is reached, and anyone is welcome to contribute to the discussion. The nomination will explain the policies and guidelines which are of concern. The discussion focuses on high-quality evidence and our policies and guidelines.

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Just to let you know


On August 17, 2013, you left a message on the talk page of User_talk:Zeimusu who has been active here since 2004. Cheers, XOttawahitech (talk) 15:09, 18 October 2013 (UTC)


 * Looking at it, I unspeedied it a minute later and reverted to the redirect which was how Zeimusu had created it in the first place (it having been turned into a content-less stub in the interim) - I should have checked the edit history before slapping a speedy on an empty stub (I think I usually do!). In hindsight I should have gone and removed that message when I changed my mind about the Speedy - will try and remember another time. Pam  D  15:44, 18 October 2013 (UTC)

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Kraftei
re kraftei being the nickname of the Messerschmitt Me 163, if you go to the German wikipedia and enter kraftei into the search box. Its also there in the first line of the German wikipedia article.--KTo288 (talk) 05:55, 19 October 2013 (UTC)
 * So you could edit the article on the plane to include this nickname, and then reinstate the dab page. But while it doesn't appear in the English Wikipedia article, it should not be in a dab page. Pam  D  06:35, 19 October 2013 (UTC)

Merging of page related
I've been suggested to merge Department of Technology, University of Pune page into University of Pune. This page represents one of the department from Pune University. I've already added reference of this page under University of Pune. Is this sufficient? What else should I do to have it as one of the department from the university? Harshala.antapurkar (talk) 16:55, 20 October 2013 (UTC)
 * No-one is suggesting that the department does not exist, just that there is no evidence that it is notable enough to have an independent article in Wikipedia. Please read UNIGUIDE, as suggested on the article talk page. To keep a freestanding article on the department, you need to show "significant coverage by reliable, independent sources" - ie not just the University's or Department's own websites. Wikipedia does not need to have an article for every department of every university in the world.  Pam  D  17:01, 20 October 2013 (UTC)

A kitten for you!
Thanks for you work stub sorting, it doesn't go unnoticed.

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 * And thank you for the kind words! Pam  D  14:53, 22 October 2013 (UTC)

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Greetings PamD. Thank you for your note. It does you credit :) Brusqueness, or at least appearing to be brusque, is indeed an undesirable result of keyboard-to-screen communication, and something of which I am all too often "guilty" myself... The response on my talk page was not aimed at you personally – it just me having a bit o' fun while having me cuppa. Regards, --Technopat (talk) 14:22, 15 October 2013 (UTC)

VisualEditor newsletter on 16 October 2013
VisualEditor is still being updated every Thursday. As usual, what is now running on the English Wikipedia had a test run at Mediawiki during the previous week. If you haven't done so already, you can turn on VisualEditor by going to your preferences and choosing the item, " ".

The reference dialog for all Wikipedias, especially the way it handles citation templates, is being redesigned. Please offer suggestions and opinions at mw:VisualEditor/Design/Reference Dialog. (Use your Wikipedia username/password to login there.) You can also drag and drop references (select the reference, then hover over the selected item until your cursor turns into the drag-and-drop tool). This also works for some templates, images, and other page elements (but not yet for text or floated items). References are now editable when they appear inside a media item's caption (bug 50459).

There were a number of miscellaneous fixes made: Firstly, there was a bug that meant that it was impossible to move the cursor using the keyboard away from a selected node (like a reference or template) once it had been selected (bug 54443). Several improvements have been made to scrollable windows, panels, and menus when they don't fit on the screen or when the selected item moves off-screen. Editing in the "slug" at the start of a page no longer shows up a chess pawn character ("♙") in some circumstances (bug 54791). Another bug meant that links with a final punctuation character in them broke extending them in some circumstances (bug 54332). The "page settings" dialog once again allows you to remove categories (bug 54727). There have been some problems with deployment scripts, including one that resulted in VisualEditor being broken for an hour or two at all Wikipedias (bug 54935). Finally, snowmen characters ("☃") no longer appear near newly added references, templates and other nodes (bug 54712).

Looking ahead: Development work right now is on rich copy-and-paste abilities, quicker addition of citation templates in references, setting media items' options (such as being able to put images on the left), switching into wikitext mode, and simplifying the toolbar. A significant amount of work is being done on other languages during this month. If you speak a language other than English, you can help with translating the documentation.

For other questions or suggestions, or if you encounter problems, please let everyone know by posting problem reports at VisualEditor/Feedback and other ideas at Wikipedia talk:VisualEditor. Thank you! Whatamidoing (WMF) (talk) 18:36, 16 October 2013 (UTC)

Wikipedia mobile feedback
My name is Kenan. I am the product manager for Wikipedia Mobile. I noticed that you recently made an edit on Mobile and I'd love to ask you some questions and get your feedback on Wikipedia on mobile. This would be a great chance to affect the way that we build our website and apps.

Thanks! — Preceding unsigned comment added by KWang (WMF) (talk • contribs) 23:43, 16 October 2013 (UTC)
 * I'd be happy to help, as the mobile system seems quite strange! Ask your questions. Pam  D  06:20, 17 October 2013 (UTC)

Nomination of Manchester Gazette (website) for deletion
A discussion is taking place as to whether the article Manchester Gazette (website) is suitable for inclusion in Wikipedia according to Wikipedia's policies and guidelines or whether it should be deleted.

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Just to let you know


On August 17, 2013, you left a message on the talk page of User_talk:Zeimusu who has been active here since 2004. Cheers, XOttawahitech (talk) 15:09, 18 October 2013 (UTC)


 * Looking at it, I unspeedied it a minute later and reverted to the redirect which was how Zeimusu had created it in the first place (it having been turned into a content-less stub in the interim) - I should have checked the edit history before slapping a speedy on an empty stub (I think I usually do!). In hindsight I should have gone and removed that message when I changed my mind about the Speedy - will try and remember another time. Pam  D  15:44, 18 October 2013 (UTC)

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Kraftei
re kraftei being the nickname of the Messerschmitt Me 163, if you go to the German wikipedia and enter kraftei into the search box. Its also there in the first line of the German wikipedia article.--KTo288 (talk) 05:55, 19 October 2013 (UTC)
 * So you could edit the article on the plane to include this nickname, and then reinstate the dab page. But while it doesn't appear in the English Wikipedia article, it should not be in a dab page. Pam  D  06:35, 19 October 2013 (UTC)

Merging of page related
I've been suggested to merge Department of Technology, University of Pune page into University of Pune. This page represents one of the department from Pune University. I've already added reference of this page under University of Pune. Is this sufficient? What else should I do to have it as one of the department from the university? Harshala.antapurkar (talk) 16:55, 20 October 2013 (UTC)
 * No-one is suggesting that the department does not exist, just that there is no evidence that it is notable enough to have an independent article in Wikipedia. Please read UNIGUIDE, as suggested on the article talk page. To keep a freestanding article on the department, you need to show "significant coverage by reliable, independent sources" - ie not just the University's or Department's own websites. Wikipedia does not need to have an article for every department of every university in the world.  Pam  D  17:01, 20 October 2013 (UTC)

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A kitten for you!
Thanks for you work stub sorting, it doesn't go unnoticed.

Sulfurboy (talk) 07:56, 22 October 2013 (UTC)


 * And thank you for the kind words! Pam  D  14:53, 22 October 2013 (UTC)

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Chapo
Chapo is mentioned briefly in the other link. I think you just may have missed it. :) The word chapo is in italics. It just says it a banana and sugar mixture or some such. Candleabracadabra (talk) 15:09, 26 October 2013 (UTC)
 * The link only gets me to a page about DK Eyewitness Travel Guide: Peru, not to any of its contents. Could be something country-specific? (I'm in UK.) If your ref is to a specific page of the book, then it would be better to format the reference as a ref to the page of the book, just as if you had it on your desk, with the addition of the googlebooks url, rather than just give the googlebooks url. I've done some tweaking of the dab page at El Chapo too: when you create a page with a disambiguated title like Chapo (beverage) it's useful to make sure that it's accesible via Chapo, which in this case leads to that dab page.  Pam  D  15:25, 26 October 2013 (UTC)

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Since the last newsletter, the VisualEditor team has worked on some feature changes, major infrastructure improvements to make the system more stable, dependable and extensible, some minor toolbar improvements, and fixing bugs.

A new form parsing library for language characters in Parsoid caused the corruption of pages containing diacritics for about an hour two weeks ago. Relatively few pages at the English Wikipedia were affected, but this created immediate problems at some other Wikipedias, sometimes affecting several dozen pages. The development teams for Parsoid and VisualEditor apologize for the serious disruption and thank the people who reported this emergency at VisualEditor/Feedback and on the public IRC channel, #mediawiki-visualeditor.

There have been dozens of changes since the last newsletter. Here are some of the highlights:


 * Accidental deletion of infoboxes and other items: You now need to press the Delete or Backspace key twice to delete a template, reference or image. The first time, the item becomes selected, and the second time, it is removed.  The need to press the delete key twice should make it more obvious what you are doing and help avoid accidental removals of infoboxes and similar (bug 55336).
 * Switch from VisualEditor to the wikitext editor: A new feature lets you make a direct, one-way editing interface change, which will preserve your changes without needing to save the page and re-open it in the wikitext editor (bug 50687). It is available in a new menu in the action buttons by the Cancel button (where the "Page Settings" button used to be). Note that this new feature is not currently working in Firefox.
 * Categories and Languages are also now directly available in that menu. The category suggestions drop-down was appearing in the wrong place rather than below its input box, which is now fixed. An incompatibility between VisualEditor and the deployed Parsoid service that prevented editing categories and language links was fixed.
 * File:, Help: and Category: namespaces: VisualEditor was enabled for these namespaces the on all wikis (bug 55968), the Portal: and Viquiprojecte: namespaces on the Catalan Wikipedia (bug 56000), and the Portal: and Book: namespaces on the English Wikipedia (bug 56001).
 * Media item resizing: We improved how files are viewed in a few ways. First, inline media items can now be resized in the same way that has been possible with block ones (like thumbnails) before. When resizing a media item, you can see a live preview of how it will look as you drag it (bug 54298). While you are dragging an image to resize it, we now show a label with the current dimensions (bug 54297). Once you have resized it, we fetch a new, higher resolution image for the media item if necessary (bug 55697). Manual setting of media item sizes in their dialog is nearly complete and should be available next week. If you hold down the shift key whilst resizing an image, it will now snap to a 10 pixel grid instead of the normal free-hand sizing. The media item resize label now is centered while resizing regardless of which tool you use to resize it.
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 * Load time: VisualEditor now uses content language when fetching TemplateData information, so reducing bandwidth use, and users on multi-language or multi-script wikis now get TemplateData hinting for templates as they would expect (bug 50888).
 * Reuse of VisualEditor: Work on spinning out the user experience (UX) framework from VisualEditor into oojs-ui, which lets other teams at Wikimedia (like Flow) and gadget authors re-use VisualEditor UX components, is now complete and is being moved to a shared code repository.
 * Support for private wikis: If you maintain a private wiki at home or at work, VisualEditor now supports editing of private wikis, by forwarding the Cookie: HTTP header to Parsoid ( set to true) (bug 44483).  (Most private wikis will also need to install Parsoid and node.js, as VisualEditor requires them.)

Looking ahead: If you have questions or suggestions for future improvements, or if you encounter problems, please let everyone know by posting a note at VisualEditor/Feedback. Thank you! Whatamidoing (WMF) 22:01, 20 November 2013 (UTC)
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Buying Naked


I've declined your speedy as it does appear to exist. I've added a link to a Daily Mail article. Whether or not it is notable is another question... Peridon (talk) 12:42, 3 December 2013 (UTC)
 * It looks as if TLC offers a different website for UK viewers - the URLs in the article, and in the Daily Mail link, all redirect from http://www.tlc.com/tv-shows/other-shows/videos/welcome-to-the-nudist-lifestyle.htm etc to http://www.uk.tlc.com which has no sign of this show! Pam  D  12:58, 3 December 2013 (UTC)
 * The Huffington's got it too - http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/11/15/buying-naked-tlc_n_4283026.html. Possibly it's not on the UK site. (It annoys me greatly when that sort of redirection is used. If I want .com, I want .com.) I've no idea who TLC are in the first place. If I did watch TV, I don't think their stuff would figure very high in my choices. Peridon (talk) 13:10, 3 December 2013 (UTC)

Krupnik
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Why you report this articule to delete ? its seriously so hard to write in google word - krupnik - and check that this is good ? plase do this and expand articule and withdarw from delete ........... BoguszeQ (talk) 12:49, 3 December 2013 (UTC)
 * Because the article as it stands is an unsourced dictionary definition with no indication why this soup should have a place in an encyclopedia. If you think it belongs in the encyclopedia, please add sources and show us why it is WP:NOTABLE. Thanks. Pam  D  13:09, 3 December 2013 (UTC)

so check up articule - Poland - and ckeck list of Polsih food there, you see that somebody , not me , add this soup to list .... i just expand it , dear pam , in situation when someobdy add something to wiki and is not delete for longest time it seems that this is right , i just expand it with more information , this is reason to report to delete ? like i write you are so ignorant to ckeck something on net ? claiming at the moment making a fundamental mistake lack of knowledge and experience and wisdom in the handling here. second thing is this that i please you to do this .............

- http://www.tastingpoland.com/food/polish_food_soups.html

- http://www.bestpolishrecipes.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=100&Itemid=228

- http://www.coffeeandvanilla.com/krupnik-pearl-barley-soup/


 * Don't tell me the sources, add them to the article yourself. Pam  D  15:04, 3 December 2013 (UTC)

Single "Get Away"
Why did u direct the page back to main? where is belong to album page? https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Get_Away_(Rottfyful_Sky)&redirect=no — Preceding unsigned comment added by Shujuan5210 (talk • contribs) 05:54, 5 December 2013 (UTC)


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upload a picture for my articles
hello there, i'm from Malaysia and i'm contributing some of the articles. but still cant upload or put a picture to the articles, so can you please teach me how? i'm not going to vandalism any of the articles as you can check for my history. most of my editing recently are on Malaysian related articles but i wanna start editing in English. Meeneunos10 (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 15:54, 18 December 2013 (UTC)


 * @: I'm not a great expert on uploading files, but you first need to decide whether your file should go at Commons (usually best, and means it can be shared on any other language Wikipedia) or onto English Wikipedia (if it's a file which can only be used under special circumstances, eg a copyright image of a book cover). To upload to Commons, go to The Commons Upload Wizard; to upload to English Wikipedia, go to the local Upload Wizard (which you should see as a link in the left hand margin of your page, under "Tools". There are lots of help files around in both cases. I hope that's useful. Good luck. Pam  D  18:14, 18 December 2013 (UTC)

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Since the last newsletter, the VisualEditor team has worked on some toolbar improvements, fixing bugs, and improving support for Indic languages as well as other languages with complex characters. The current focus is on improving the reference dialog and expanding the new character inserter tool.

There have been dozens of changes since the last newsletter. Here are some of the highlights:

Looking ahead: The transclusion dialog will see further changes in the coming weeks, with a simple mode for single templates and an advanced mode for more complex transclusions. The new character formatting menu on the toolbar will get an arrow to show that it is a drop-down menu. The reference dialog will be improved, and the Reference item will become a button in the main toolbar, rather than an item in the Insert menu.
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Katie Evans Stub
PamD,

Thank you for your politeness in this matter and for allowing it to be up long enough on christmas morning. My apologies for any disruption it may have caused.

While not a citable source I have relied on and used Wikipedia in my academic and professional career and have nothing but respect for the men and women that work to ensure it is filled with reliable and relevant information.

I understand that this site is not a message board, and am sorry that my actions implied disrespect and abuse of the web site.

The allowance of the post for a few hours helped bring joy to my little sister on christmas, something she was dearly in need of, and for that I am even more indebted to the site and those who contribute to and moderate it.

Again, I apologize for any disruption I might have caused and would like to wish a merry Christmas and a happy holidays to all my fellow users of the site and the contributors that help share the information we dearly desire.

Sincerely, DrasnovSanhal — Preceding unsigned comment added by DrasnovSanhal (talk • contribs) 03:22, 26 December 2013 (UTC)

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Sutton High Street
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VisualEditor newsletter for Janaury 2014
Since the last newsletter, the VisualEditor team has worked mostly minor features and fixing bugs. A few significant bugs include working around a bug in CSSJanus that was wrongly flipping images used in some templates in right-to-left (RTL) environments (bug 50910) a major bug that meant inserting any template or other transclusion failed (bug 59002), a major but quickly resolved problem due to an unannounced change in MediaWiki core, which caused VisualEditor to crash on trying to save (bug 59867). This last bugs did not appear on any Wikipedia. Additionally, significant work has been done in the background to make VisualEditor work as an independent editing system.

As of today, VisualEditor is now available as an opt-out feature to all users at 149 active Wikipedias.


 * The character inserter tool in the "Insert" menu has a very basic set of characters. The character inserter is especially important for languages that use Latin and Cyrillic alphabets with unusual characters or frequent diacritics. Your feedback on the character inserter is requested. In addition to feedback from any interested editor, the developers would particularly like to hear from anyone who speaks any of the 50+ languages listed under Phase 5 at mw:VisualEditor/Rollouts, including Breton, Mongolian, Icelandic, Welsh, Afrikaans, Macedonian, and Azerbaijani.
 * meta:Office hours on IRC have been heavily attended recently. The next one will be held this coming Wednesday, 22 January at 23:00 UTC.
 * You can now edit some of the page settings in the "options" dialog –    and   as selection (forced on, forced off, or default setting; bugs 56866 and 56867) and   as a checkbox (bug 57166).
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Mistake,Sorry Op47 (talk) 00:11, 18 January 2014 (UTC)

Trekking article
When you deleted the mention of Jim Roberts in Nepal as the originator of using this term in English, I am wondering if you share my dislike for this sort of naming and potential peacock-ism/promotion of persons in text (rather than in footnotes and references)? I've never liked it when contributors do this, but is there actually a policy against it? You not only have considerable WP editing experience, you were also a professional librarian in real life, so I can't think of a better Wikipedian to ask. LADave (talk) 19:43, 18 January 2014 (UTC)
 * I think it depends on the context. In this "etymology" section of Trekking, very much about the word rather than the topic, it might have been appropriate content if actually sourced to a Reliable Source. I removed it because it was completely unsourced, seemed to disagree with OED, and just didn't seem likely. Not a very definitive answer, I'm sorry! Pam  D  14:17, 19 January 2014 (UTC)
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The reason why I removed route 938 from the 900–999 section of List of bus routes in London is because route 938 is not a bus route contracted by TFL and it's already been mentioned in Other routes within the London area section of the List of bus routes in London because route 938 is a route operated with a London Service Permit issued by Transport for London. CourtneyBonnick (talk) 22:26, 22 January 2014 (UTC)

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I added sources to the Tentamun page, will that save it from deletion? I did not know disamb pages need sources, as the articles linked from the disamb page are already referenced. – Alensha   talk  19:25, 25 January 2014 (UTC)


 * No-one proposed deletion of Tentamun (with a "u"): there has been discussion as to whether the Tentamen (with the "e") should be a redirect or a disambiguation page. I proposed its deletion at a point in time when it was taking the form of an unsourced dictionary definition (this). I changed my mind minutes later and reverted it to the redirect you'd created (and you were automatically notified, using Twinkle) - sorry I didn't follow up by leaving you a note of explanation! You're right, dab pages don't need sources, and they shouldn't have them - I've reverted your addition of sources. I'm sorry about the confusion!  Pam  D  21:40, 25 January 2014 (UTC)


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Hi, I am a student at American University, and I am interested in joining your wikiproject Fashion. I noticed the project has not be edited in quite a while. Miamiller (talk) 22:16, 4 February 2014 (UTC)
 * I'm not at all involved with the Fashion Wikiproject. From the look of WikiProject Fashion there is still plenty of work to be done, and you can add yourself to WikiProject Fashion/Participants or leave a message at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Fashion. I'm sure you'll find there are other editors active in the Fashion area, whether or not they are formally members of the Project. Just go ahead and find something you enjoy doing, whether it's tidying up existing articles, improving key articles, or creating new articles on notable topics which aren't yet covered. Have a look at some of the useful links in the Welcome message someone's already left on your page, and check out The Teahouse for friendly advice for beginners. Good Luck and Happy Editing! (I wonder why you chose me to ask about this?) Pam  D  22:41, 4 February 2014 (UTC)

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Fallamore
I've prodded it. Worlds, fictional or real, don't come under A7. If the article had been about her website, A7 would have worked. It's just one of those things... Peridon (talk) 10:25, 7 February 2014 (UTC)

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Progenitor
Hi Pam. This is just a polite reminder that it's usual to notify the creator of an article when recommending it for deletion. In fact, I'm in the process of expanding it and will probably merge top ancestor (an unlikely and rather unprofessional term probably loosely translated from German) into it, which can then be deleted instead. Cheers. --Bermicourt (talk) 18:32, 15 February 2014 (UTC)
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WikiProject assessment tags for talk pages
Hey, thank you for your comments about this template. It is my own design, located in User:Piotrus/AT. I am totally open to redesigning it to be more newbie-friendly (or everyone-friendly). Nobody is required to add those templates, but they are helpful (just like categories, infoboxes or such). As I work with a lot of wikiproject tools that rely on them (from article alerts to copyediting listings) I like to encourage people to add them. I'd certainly appreciate suggestions on how to make this template better. Each week I spend 1-2 hours if not more reviewing the new articles at User:AlexNewArtBot/PolandSearchResult, and most of my reminders come from articles I see there; indeed many are from relatively new editors (although few are from some who should know better :>). I also use other templates, all listed at User:Piotrus/Templates. Cheers, PS. If you reply here please WP:ECHO me. --<sub style="border:1px solid #228B22;padding:1px;">Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus&#124; reply here 20:28, 17 February 2014 (UTC)
 * A few thoughts: The template seems a bit of a wall of text: too much to take in. It might be more helpful to describe the banners as "Wikiproject banners" rather than "Assessment tags": the main job you're wanting to be done is to get the page labelled as associated with a project, rather than asking the page author to assess it, I'd think. But the main problem for the editor is "How do I know which Wikiprojects exist in this subject area" and then "How exactly is that Wikiproject's banner formatted?".  I think I've seen, somewhere, a listing of Wikiprojects arranged by subject ... ahah yes, at WikiProject_Council/Directory: it's a pity it's divided into sub-pages, as it makes it less approachable for the user looking for a topic, but a clear link to it might give the editor a fighting chance of finding a relevant project (and it might even turn out that they want to get involved with that project, having found that it exists). Have all Wikiprojects now standardised their banners to "" ?  I hope so. If not, then that whole directory needs another column to include those banners/templates, if you are seriously expecting a wider range of editors to start to add them to talk pages. But the most important thing is to offer a link to that directory, I suggest.  Pam  D  21:04, 17 February 2014 (UTC)
 * Yes, the wall of text is something I've been worried about too. Would you like to draft a new version of it? You could edit my template directly, I wouldn't mind. I was also thinking of linking some practical "cool" examples like WikiProject Poland/Popular pages or the cleanup listing but my template skills are not good enough to make them automatic for each keyword. --<sub style="border:1px solid #228B22;padding:1px;">Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus&#124; reply here 21:08, 17 February 2014 (UTC)

Shawn Wallace article
Looking at the article, I am feeling inclined to close the nomination. It cite reliable sources and has been greatly improved. I'll admit I might have nominated it too soon, given I usually will nominate a one-line article since it provides little information worth keeping and at times never gets improved by the user posting the article. NintendoFan (Talk, Contribs) 06:30, 19 February 2014 (UTC)

VisualEditor Newsletter—February 2014
Since the last newsletter, the VisualEditor team has worked on some small changes to the user interface, such as moving the reference item to the top of the Insert menu, as well as some minor features and fixing bugs, especially for rich copying and pasting of references.

The biggest change was the addition of more features to the image dialog, including the ability to set alignment (left, right, center), framing options (thumbnail, frame, frameless, and none), adding alt text, and defining the size manually. There is still some work to be done here, including a quick way to set the default size.


 * The main priority is redesigning the reference dialog, with the goal of providing autofill features for ISBNs and URLs and streamlining the process. Current concept drawings are available at VisualEditor/Design/Reference Dialog. Please share your ideas about making referencing quick and easy with the designers.
 * A few bugs in the existing reference dialog were fixed. The toolbar was simplified to remove galleries and lists from the reference dialog.  When you re-use references, it now correctly displays the references again, rather than just the number and name.  If you paste content into a dialog that can't fit there (e.g.   in references), it now strips out the inappropriate HTML.
 * You can now edit image galleries inside VisualEditor. At this time, the gallery tool is a very limited option that gives you access to the wikitext.  It will see significant improvements at a later date.
 * The character inserter tool in the "Insert" menu is being redesigned. Your feedback on the special character inserter is still wanted, especially if you depend on Wikipedia's character inserters for your normal editing rather than using the ones built into your computer.
 * You can now see a help page about keyboard shortcuts in the page menu (three bars next to the Cancel button).
 * If you edit categories, your changes will now display correctly after saving the page.
 * Saving the page should be faster now.
 * Any community can ask to test a new tool to edit TemplateData by leaving a note at.

Looking ahead: The link tool will tell you when you're linking to a disambiguation or redirect page. The warning about wikitext will hide itself after you remove the wikitext markup in that paragraph. Support for creating and editing redirects is in the pipeline. Looking further out, image handling will be improved, including default and upright sizes. The developers are also working on support for viewing and editing hidden HTML comments, some behavioral magic words like DISPLAYTITLE, and in-line language setting.

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Request for an opinion- List of mills in Huddersfield
I have bitten the bullet- bought the book- and started to address the mill articles on the east side of the Pennines, with List of mills in Huddersfield and a plethora of friends. The referenced lists are obviously from ''Giles, Colum; Goodall, Ian H (1992). Yorkshire Textile Mills 1790- 1930. London: Royal Commission on Historical Monuments of England HMSO. ISBN 0-11-300038-3 While Googling to discover what an Ing Mill'' did- I came across this fascinating Catalan site, presented in English:  Yorkshire Industrial Heritage

The National Monument Record is a legacy numbering system maintained by English Heritage which was used in Giles and Goodall, and also in Williams and Farnie (Cotton mills of Greater Manchester). This site also these numbers- by passing it as a search parameter in the url.

For instance, further details on each mill may be obtained by adding the number after b= in this url. http://yorkshire.u08.eu/?b=62373. So I have the intriguing possibility of wikilinking NMR# to a exterior page describing the mill. So at this point, I thought that Eric would have the knowledge to answer a couple of questions. Got my timing wrong there- hence this post here.

in I hope you don't mind me posting this here- as I am sure you have a large number of Talk-page-stalkers who may like to help too - I don't want to use Village pump yet- it would take to long to explain where Yorkshire was and why it was notable - never mind trying Idle !-- Clem Rutter (talk) 20:47, 21 February 2014 (UTC)
 * 1) Is it morally acceptable to include so many external links within the body of the text of a list?
 * 2) I have tried multiple variations of syntax to put such a link in the templates, which display the tables. I have failed. Is this because the tables/templates stop such links?
 * 3) If it is not blocked, what is the syntax needed put such a link round BF63126
 * 1) If it is blocked, what would happen if we got these sides up and running on say, Welsh wikipedia and inter wiki-linked our BF63126 with the working code on Welsh wiki?
 * 2) What did an Ing mill do?


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 * On question #1, if the URLs have the practical effect of proving that the information is accurate and verifiable, then those are somewhat oddly formatted, but still highly desirable WP:Inline citations rather than true WP:External links.
 * On the practical problem, you probably want to create a template like the many seen in Category:External link templates. Ideally, there will be one there that is similar enough that you could just copy it over with a few small changes.  WhatamIdoing (talk) 23:32, 24 February 2014 (UTC)

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Books & Bytes, Issue 4
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Thanks for the fixup of Paño
Thank you for adding that info to Paño. I can't believe that I forgot to say what kind of artwork it was WhisperToMe (talk) 09:41, 3 March 2014 (UTC)

Thank you.
Dear PamD,

I wanted to thank you for inspiring me to adopt the greeting you posted at the top of your user page. For some time, I had been looking for a suitable greeting to add to mine but it was only when I saw yours, earlier today, that I knew I'd found the right format.

I suppose I am also owning up to re-cycling a piece of your intellectual property and adapting it for my own needs, but I hope I will be forgiven.

I also noticed that we have similar editorial habits, although you are years ahead of me; nonetheless, I'll look up to you as a role model.

Thanks once again, dear PamD, and please keep well and joyful.

With kind regards;

Patrick. ツ Pdebee. (talk) 18:01, 6 March 2014 (UTC)

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VisualEditor newsletter—March 2014
Since the last newsletter, the VisualEditor team has mostly worked on changes to the template and image dialogs.

The biggest change in the last few weeks was the redesign of the template dialog. The template dialog now opens in a simplified mode that lists parameters and their descriptions. (The complex multi-item transclusion mode can be reached by clicking on "Show options" from inside the simplified template dialog.) Template parameters now have a bigger, auto-sizing input box for easier editing. With today's update, searching for template parameters will become case-insensitive, and required template parameters will display an asterisk (*) next to their edit boxes. In addition to making it quicker and easier to see everything when you edit typical templates, this work was necessary to prepare for the forthcoming simplified citation dialog. The main priority in the coming weeks is building this new citation dialog, with the ultimate goal of providing autofill features for ISBNs, URLs, DOIs and other quick-fills. This will add a new button on the toolbar, with the citation templates available picked by each wiki's community. Concept drawings can be seen at VisualEditor/Design/Reference Dialog. Please share your ideas about making referencing quick and easy with the designers.


 * The link tool now tells you when you're linking to a disambiguation or redirect page. Pages that exist, but are not indexed by the search engine, are treated like non-existent pages.
 * Wikitext warnings will now hide when you remove wikitext from the paragraph you are editing.
 * The character inserter tool in the "Insert" menu has been slightly redesigned, to introduce larger buttons. Your suggestions for more significant changes to the special character inserter are still wanted.
 * The page options menu (three bars, next to the Cancel button) has expanded. You can create and edit redirect pages, set page options like ,   and   , and more.  New keyboard shortcuts are listed there, and include undoing the last action, clearing formatting, and showing the shortcut help window.  If you switch from VisualEditor to wikitext editing, your edit will now be tagged.
 * It is easier to edit images. There are more options and they are explained better.  If you add new images to pages, they will also be default size.  You can now set image sizes to the default, if another size was previously specified. Full support for upright sizing systems, which more readily adapt image sizes to the reader's screen size, is planned.
 * VisualEditor adds fake blank lines so you can put your cursor there. These "slugs" are now smaller than normal blank lines, and are animated to be different from actual blank lines.
 * You can use the Ctrl or Command shortcuts to open the save window, and you can preview your edit summary when checking your changes in the save window.
 * After community requests, VisualEditor has been deployed to the Interlingual Occidental Wikipedia, the Portuguese Wikibooks, and the French Wikiversity.
 * Any community can ask for custom icons for their language in the character formatting menu (bold, italic, etc.) by making a request on Bugzilla or by contacting Product Manager James Forrester.

The developers apologize for a regression bug with the deployment on 6 March 2014, which caused the incorrect removal of  size definitions on a handful of pages on the English Wikipedia, among others. The root cause was fixed, and the broken pages were fixed soon after.

Looking ahead:  Several template dialogs will become more compact. Looking further out, the developers are also working on support for viewing and editing hidden HTML comments. You will be able to see the Table of Contents change live as you edit the page, rather than it being hidden. In-line language setting may be offered to a few Wikipedias soon.

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NHS categories
I don't think that we can put all NHS trusts in England into subcategories any more. Too many don't fit, and are not stable configurations. For example many teaching hospitals and DGHs also run community services. So do many Mental health trusts. But generally the community services are subject to a periodic tendering programme.

The only really clearly defined categories are foundation trusts and non-foundation. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Rathfelder (talk • contribs) 10:53, 24 November 2013