User talk:Serial Number 54129/Archive 24

Reclose
Hi Serial! I noticed that you adjusted the close at this ANI thread in which I am involved. I wanted to check whether you saw the message I left at the bottom of the thread and the message I left for Barkeep49 (which caused them to revert their previous close). Would you be willing to do the same, and if you're inclined, to perhaps give your thoughts on the matter itself? I understand that it's undesirable for ANI threads to sit around for long periods, but the matter is still clearly unresolved, so I unfortunately don't see any alternative to waiting for others to comment.

If I could make one other observation: the way the page currently appears could give the very misleading impression that JzG's close was made after the entire discussion, rather than that it was made after two hours and later became the subject of discussion itself. I would therefore ask that, when the thread is reclosed, it be done with a new archive template on top of the old one signed by the closer with their rationale, rather than by just extending the bottom of the old close. Thanks for your attention to this and best wishes, &#123;{u&#124; Sdkb  }&#125;  talk 23:08, 21 May 2020 (UTC)
 * ✅ ——  Serial # 17:15, 23 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Thank you for this adjustment. I have to question per JzG as a reading of the consensus of the second half, though. I realize the situation is a bit muddled, so to summarize from my perspective:
 * Moxy files the thread, alleging that I made widespread template changes with ZERO talk.
 * Several editors weigh in saying that widespread undiscussed template changes are not okay, and on that basis JzG closes the thread 1hr43min later, revoking my template editor rights.
 * He performs a mass rollback reverting hundreds of my template edits in some cases going back years, most of which have nothing whatsoever to do with the welcome templates. He later acknowledges on his talk page that it was a misclick, but ignores a request from an admin to go through and undo the accidental portion of his rollback. Some of the edits have been fixed by other editors but many remain unfixed.
 * When I see the thread the next morning, I comment that my changes were not undiscussed, but were based on a consensus achieved at a formally closed VPR discussion that resulted in changes to the standard welcome template and a discussion in which the admin closer established that the changes carry to other welcome templates with the same basic structure as the standard one. Moxy was a strenuous dissenter in both discussions.
 * The admin closer of the VPR thread, L235, and Naypta both criticize Moxy for leaving out vital context ("very disappointed in the conduct of the user filing this ANI thread. ... this comes across as a trick designed to make Sdkb look more culpable" from L235), and Naypta criticizes the premature initial closure of the thread.
 * Subsequent discussion establishes that the way to deal with the content question is via an RfC, which is subsequently launched, but there is not further discussion of the conduct aspect.
 * I do not think per JzG is a fair reading of the consensus of the second half, since in his close JzG removed my template editor rights, whereas in the second half no editor argued for that.
 * I'm sorry to have to keep dragging this along — I very much want to be able to just let it go and get on with normal editing, but I hope you can put yourself in my shoes and understand how I feel that hundreds of my edits have been rolled back. It's obviously not up to me, but if I were reclosing the discussion, I would:
 * Note that the accidental rollback edits unrelated to welcome template wrapperification should be undone (this would give me something simple to link to in my edit summary if I end up having to clean up the remainder myself).
 * Note that the content issue was resolved.
 * Note that there was insufficient discussion in the second half on my template editor rights to reach a consensus on that matter, but that serious concerns were raised about the initial rationale for revocation such that it can no longer be said to be the consensus. As such, the emergency stopgap revocation should be reverted back to the status quo as fruit of the poisonous tree.
 * Would you consider it reasonable to close with something along those lines? Regards, &#123;{u&#124; Sdkb  }&#125;  talk 19:10, 23 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Hi Serial — I just wanted to quickly follow up. No worries if you need a little while to get to this, but if that's the case, could you confirm you've seen it? Thanks, &#123;{u&#124; Sdkb  }&#125;  talk 06:03, 28 May 2020 (UTC)

Warning
This is your only warning; if you vandalize Wikipedia again, you may be blocked from editing without further notice. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jamesgavinfan (talk • contribs)
 * Finally! An excuse to block serial#! I've been waiting for this since...uh...a few days ago, I guess. creffett (talk) 18:34, 21 May 2020 (UTC)
 * For less than ten days I would've thought,  :p  thanks for warning this guy though, and for putting Teds back together.  ——  Serial # 19:00, 21 May 2020 (UTC)

County Londonderry
Hey there. As for not calling changes to County Londonderry to read County Derry, as vandalism. They're deliberately changing the name of a place to be a different name. County Derry isn't the name of the county, never was, it's a purely colloquial name. And there is massive numbers of continually changing IPs and newly registered accounts that come to Wikipedia to change it all over the place on even a daily basis. Deliberately changing something to a name that it isn't I maintain is vandalism. It's deliberately trying to change content from what it is, and historically is, to what they wish it to be. Could it be pure ignorance, in some cases yes, but it's constant. Canterbury Tail talk 12:00, 21 May 2020 (UTC)
 * I understand the history of the place only too well; still, if the answer to the question Could it be pure ignorance is anything other than no, then I rest my case. Anyhow, I'm not arguing about it, and fair play to everything else you do here CT. All the best. serial   # 12:06, 21 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Yeah, I hear you. It's just a frustrating constancy. Lets get back to our regularly scheduled programming :) Canterbury Tail talk 13:58, 21 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Indeed, ; all things being equal, it's good to see some common sense patrolling the bloody topic! All the best, serial   # 14:01, 21 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Yeah I inserted myself as an admin and patroller on Ireland, especially NI, topics a long time ago. I've been accused of everything, of belonging to both sides, sometimes even on the same day and for the same edits :) Canterbury Tail talk 14:04, 21 May 2020 (UTC)

Thank you for your amazing help in researching!

 * No problem,, and thanks for this. If you see me around, don't hesitate to ask directly if you want. After all, it'll only be a matter of time before I haven't got what you need and you have to go off and post at RX anyway :)   serial   # 14:03, 21 May 2020 (UTC)

Sorry
Sorry about this diff, I must've done that by accident. --Stay safe, ◊ PRAHLAD balaji (M•T•A•C) This message was left at 20:49, 18 May 2020 (UTC)

The Bugle: Issue CLXIX, May 2020
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DYK nomination of Honora Jenkins' will
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Some falafel for you!

 * Danke schön, that's tasty :) yes,  great work with PMK, not only filled out but more sources than it ever had.  Nice one! Take care of yourself,   serial   # 09:47, 14 May 2020 (UTC)

Nice gloves
You man of mystery Girth Summit  (blether)  15:00, 10 May 2020 (UTC)
 * You wouldn't want my finger tips to get cold. serial   # 15:49, 10 May 2020 (UTC)
 * No indeed - that would only add to the random characters problem. Girth Summit <sub style="font-family:script;color:blue;"> (blether)  15:52, 10 May 2020 (UTC)

Revert incorrect
It was a vandal who removed sections on his own talk page. Educate me about if that is correct. He is incorrectly removing talk page sections and you removed the same talk page sections. I still don't understand. 3125A<sup style="background-color:#ADD8E6;padding:4px 5px 5px 5px">Talk!Contributions! 14:59, 13 May 2020 (UTC)

Ugh....
 * It's confusing,, as are a lot of things around here. See the link I gave in the editsummary, WP:BLANKING explains:. If a user removes material from their user page, it is normally taken to mean that the user has readand is aware of its contents. There is no need to keep them on display, and usually users should not be forced to do so. And they're not—officially, anyway—a vandal which has a pretty specific meaning on Wikipedia. Yes, they've been blocked, but  did so on the grounds of competency, not vandalism; there's a difference. Hope this helps.   serial   # 15:20, 13 May 2020 (UTC)

ANI
Not sure what you mean here. My real name is very easy to find, and has been for years. That doesn't mean I want people just referring to me by it on WP. Johnbod (talk) 23:57, 12 May 2020 (UTC)

==Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/Draft:ESTIMATED DISTANCE OF AL-ARSH (CENTRE OF THE GREATER UNIVERSE AND SEAT OF AUTHORITY OF ALLAH SWT) FROM OUR EARTH USING THE INFORMATION GRANTED US IN THE HOLY QUR'AN BY ALLAH SWT:-== If I could just take this opportuity to confim I am not, in fact, a complete arse who either delights in wasting the community's time or completely msunderstands the CSD criteria, I'd just like to clarify that, if you look at the history—what you can do now, Kevin, and Praxidicae maybe soon—you'll see it had already been declined G1 already twice, by an admin. Hence my reasoning that someone was basically forced to start an MfD purely in order to get some more eyes on it, and, possibly a little common sense that would stop us having to waste 168 hours discussing the bloody thing. I was the patsy; hence my deliberate references to CSD criteria and IAR in the nom. Still, more haste less speed wins the race, eh. Take care all. serial  # 19:56, 8 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Yep, I saw, no worries! Kevin ( aka L235 · t · c) 20:00, 8 May 2020 (UTC)

Template:Did you know nominations/Church of St Thomas à Becket, Box
Hi, sorry, I don't understand your edit summaries. What exactly would you like me to do? Thanks, Yoninah (talk) 18:43, 9 May 2020 (UTC)
 * check the history...your promotion to prep was reverted; I reverted that, and then, on consideration, thought you might like to have had the choice yourself. serial   # 18:50, 9 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Oh, now I see what happened. Thanks for reverting; I've brought this up at 's talk page. BTW that picture on your talk page interferes with seeing the last posts. Best, Yoninah (talk) 18:57, 9 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Xactly, . Some more admins patrolling noms rather than just queues would probably help. Get to it, and pass the message along.  serial   # 19:22, 9 May 2020 (UTC)

DYK nomination of Don't Stop...
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At WP:AN/EW
Duplicate report of what I did just previously, no? Thanks 107.190.33.254 (talk) 18:38, 8 May 2020 (UTC)
 * So it is. Great minds think alike...and edit conflict. I've resolved the issue; better for the optics this way. All the best! serial   # 18:43, 8 May 2020 (UTC)

A butcher's...
Just spotted this. I'll bet you a nickel that if you keep doing that you'll freak a non-UK editor out eventually. Please don't butcher my article... Mike Christie (talk - contribs - library) 19:07, 7 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Well, I'm sure the colonials can keep themselves busy, Major! Have you got an article up then, ?  serial   # 21:41, 7 May 2020 (UTC)
 * I do, as it happens. You don't have time for a source review, do you?  I'll trade you for a review of one of yours, if you're looking for one. Mike Christie (talk - contribs -  library) 21:49, 7 May 2020 (UTC)
 * It was a pleasure,, and I wish they were all so simple. As for the other thing *cough* I think I might've mentioned it earlier... ;)   serial   # 20:04, 8 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Um, sorry, must be slow on the uptake today — you mean a review of your current FAC? Happy to oblige if so.Mike Christie (talk - contribs -  library) 21:28, 8 May 2020 (UTC)

New signature
It's like the Wikipedia equivalent of a new haircut! creffett (talk) 17:53, 6 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Whiiich is about as close as I am to getting one, now the barber's are shut :) yeah, my old one suddenly started looking a bit ostentatious...an undiscovered puritan streak perhaps! Hope you are well,   SERIAL  # 18:05, 6 May 2020 (UTC)

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File:Para SF personnel at Kashmir.jpg ==

Sorry for disturbing you, but earlier I had claimed for a Undeletion request for the File:Para SF personnel at Kashmir.jpg, after personally again going through the Common usage criteria thoroughly from the site from where I had ,I had understood that I accidentally misinterpreted the common usage.And the image is somewhat not free. So I apologize for unnecessary creating a Undeletion request and I take back my Undeletion request. I hope you understand me. Thank you and have a great day Swastik Mridha (talk) 14:50, 5 May 2020 (UTC)
 * No problem at all,, copyright is extremely complicated and it's easy for anyone to make a mistake. Unfortunately, I don't think the Indian Government releases its own work, but if someone takes a photo of the group they could upload that. If anyone gets that close to them of course :)  Take care.  SERIAL  # 15:02, 5 May 2020 (UTC)

Barnstar!!!

 * Check, . You broke my duck—first barnstar since October :) cheers!I hope, also, that you and yours are keeping well in the Crazy Times. SERIAL  # 16:08, 4 May 2020 (UTC)

note re section
Hi. I noted that you closed the section of the WP:Village pump (proposals) page that pertained to my proposal. I think that is totally fine, and I accept your reasons for doing so. I just wanted to invite you to present any feedback, or comments, or remarks you might have on the direction of the discussion there, and the content there? I appreciate your help in advance. Please ping me if you reply here. thanks!! --- Sm8900★ 🌎 05:52, 4 May 2020 (UTC)
 * I am not going to ping anybody who leaves me a message, instructs me on my own talk page but does not have the courtesy to watchlist it. In any case, I think says most of what needs saying.  serial  # 18:14, 7 May 2020 (UTC)

Goodbye
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Less than or equal to
What's going on with your keyboard today? Anyway, I've always seen you more as a ≥ sort of editor. :P Girth Summit <sub style="font-family:script;color:blue;"> (blether)  11:20, 3 May 2020 (UTC)
 * That's very kind, particularly as I have now learned what that bloody symbol means :)  It's completely bizarre. It's happened a few times—mostly with that symbol, sometimes with others—and always when on mob device. But I've checked, and the virtual keyboard thingy doesn't even have this symbol on it! Even the second page. Am I fated to be followed by a mathematical symbol gently tapping, rapping at my edit-window door, etc.  ;)  SERIAL  # 16:04, 4 May 2020 (UTC)
 * At least it's not a tilde - goodness knows what would happen if you started dropping them all over the place... Girth Summit <sub style="font-family:script;color:blue;"> (blether)  16:09, 4 May 2020 (UTC)

Talk Page Harassment
(See WP:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents) ——  SN  54129  10:07, 3 May 2020 (UTC)

Please do not post on my talk page. Anything posted there by you will be removed. Simmo86 (talk) 09:34, 3 May 2020 (UTC)
 * ^^^Accusations of trolling, weaponising ANI and AfD , accusations of bad faith , removing another editor's post  and then edit warring to remove it some more (,, being warned not do so by three administrators , accusations of bad faith while showing bad faith  and now accusations of harassment? I think User:Doug Weller is probably correct.  ——  SN  54129  10:07, 3 May 2020 (UTC)
 * while it's fine to ask someone not to post at your talk page, such request will not prevent necessary warnings (WP:NOBAN). — Paleo  Neonate  – 10:16, 3 May 2020 (UTC)

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I have retired from Wikipedia
Dear User:Serial Number 54129, I have mentioned you on my retirement message on my userpage. I hope you can be cleansed of your ties to the corporate establishment in the future. Kind regards, --Legis Regis (talk) 19:59, 22 April 2020 (UTC)
 * Most people don't "retire" on their first day. Anyone would think you were just trolling us.-- P-K3 (talk) 20:06, 22 April 2020 (UTC)
 * Didn't even make it an hour. Primefac (talk) 20:10, 22 April 2020 (UTC)
 * Somebody should phone Guinness... ——  SN  54129  09:57, 23 April 2020 (UTC)
 * I went for a 72min/6km walk and all this happens in the meantime. Mr rnddude (talk) 20:52, 22 April 2020 (UTC)
 * Dude, we know it was you socking. Nobody's buying the "I was out for a walk" alibi. Levivich&thinsp;<sup style="white-space:nowrap;">[dubious – discuss] 20:56, 22 April 2020 (UTC)
 * The Mr was obviously out buying some more ties for the corporate establishment. Which SN will then launder. Did I get it right? --bonadea contributions talk 21:01, 22 April 2020 (UTC)
 * I'm still polishing 's boots with 's socks,, it'll be awhiles 'fore ah gets promoted t'laundry room! 🍻 🧦 ——  SN  54129  09:57, 23 April 2020 (UTC)

ANI discussion involving you a little bit
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 * Glad to be of help, BHG ——  SN  54129  09:38, 23 April 2020 (UTC)

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Sound as a pound. Internet dead here, only have work WiFi. Thanks. Be safe. Ceoil (talk) 13:43, 25 April 2020 (UTC)

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Sandbox deletion
With all due respect, why did you put a speedy deletion tag on my sandbox? What is the point of doing that? It's a sandbox. Seems like a pointless exercise. --Legis Regis (talk) 19:41, 22 April 2020 (UTC)
 * Oddly enough, I would agree. However, that video is definitely going to be deleted unless there's some proper licensing soon. Primefac (talk) 19:42, 22 April 2020 (UTC)
 * My U5s aren't normally erroneous,, what was wrong? ——  SN  54129  09:48, 23 April 2020 (UTC)
 * Well, I guess it was borderline, I can see a TNT-approach to the fact that it was one problematic video on an otherwise blank sandbox. I guess in my mind blanking would have been just as easy. Primefac (talk) 15:46, 23 April 2020 (UTC)
 * Must be part of the Wikipedia-Starbucks joint conspiracy to harrass me. --Legis Regis (talk) 19:43, 22 April 2020 (UTC)
 * Primefac (talk) 19:44, 22 April 2020 (UTC)
 * Is the conspiracy taking applications? Do they pay in Starbucks gift cards? Because I'd totally work for the conspiracy if they did. creffett (talk) 19:47, 22 April 2020 (UTC)
 * You can apply for a position at the Wikipedia-Starbucks conspiracy, but to be hired, you must be committed to their mission, "coffee anyone can make". They accept applications online at Keurig.com. Levivich&thinsp;<sup style="white-space:nowrap;">[dubious – discuss] 19:52, 22 April 2020 (UTC)
 * No thanks, conspiracies Costa fortune.  ——  SN  54129  09:48, 23 April 2020 (UTC)

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What happens here please?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Farbenprofi All posts go more or less imediately to history....

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Boso
No, you want NYB for that. He actually remembers all this stuff; I just know where to look. ‑ Iridescent 15:58, 12 April 2020 (UTC)

Electrical telegraphy in the United Kingdom
Since you are on the Peer Review volunteers list, I wondered if you would care to look at Peer review/Electrical telegraphy in the United Kingdom/archive1? It's had one reviewer, but I would feel a lot more comfortable if at least one more person looked at it before putting it up for FA. I was about to archive it, so please let me know soon if you are going to be able to do something. <b style="background:#FAFAD2;color:#C08000">Spinning</b><b style="color:#4840A0">Spark</b> 13:29, 13 April 2020 (UTC)
 * Thanks for this—it looks interesting! I'd definitely like to look in, but I'm a bit tied up today. Would tomorrow be too late for you? ——  SN  54129  13:38, 13 April 2020 (UTC)
 * No, not at all. Take as long as you like.  I didn't mean to rush you, I just needed to know that I shouldn't archive yet. <b style="background:#FAFAD2;color:#C08000">Spinning</b><b style="color:#4840A0">Spark</b> 13:44, 13 April 2020 (UTC)

Your TP notice
Hi SN, I just noticed your talk page notice says that you do not have immediate access to the internet and are on a wikibreak (diff/added 28 Sept 2019). Is the notice still accurate? I noticed that you have been fairly active recently. Best, The SandDoctor  Talk 00:30, 10 April 2020 (UTC)

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Can you help?
I'm trying to move my edits and user talk page from my old account to my current one. Old account is New340 to move to New3400. Help? New3400 (talk) 20:44, 12 April 2020 (UTC)
 * Hope you're well, . No, I can't I'm afraid, but your previous account only has 34 edits so does it really matter? I think it's too late after the event to merge accounts (i.e. you can move one to another, and even take them over), but for this, you want to talk to renamer, this is their bread-and-butter, so definitely the ones to talk to. Sorry I couldn't be of more help! All the best, ——  SN  54129  21:10, 12 April 2020 (UTC)

I appreciate
your colorful closes. Even if some others don't. Just wanted to let you know. Levivich&thinsp;<sup style="white-space:nowrap;">[dubious – discuss] 18:23, 10 April 2020 (UTC)
 * Well the place needs brightening up. Happy Easter, btw, if that's your bag, and on the assumption anything's allowed to be bleedin' happy any more. ——  SN  54129  19:59, 10 April 2020 (UTC)
 * As someone pointed out, "If you are going to pick a holiday to break a quarantine you can do a lot worse than one honoring the time Jesus was supposed to stay inside but didn’t." <b style="color: red;">E</b><b style="color: blue;">Eng</b> 20:07, 10 April 2020 (UTC)
 * What better way to say hello to Spring than to mark the anniversary of a crucifixion by painting eggs delivered by rabbits? Happy Easter to you both (from a safe distance)! Levivich&thinsp;<sup style="white-space:nowrap;">[dubious – discuss] 20:14, 10 April 2020 (UTC)

Minor request
Hello, Serial Number 54129,

I have a minor request. When you close complaints on ANI, could you please sign off with ? Looking over your user talk page, it seems like many editors believe that you are an administrator and this tag would indicate in a closure that you are not. It's standard practice for nonadmin closures on ANI/AN so I'm not singling you out. Thanks for your help and participation on the noticeboards! Liz <sup style="font-family: Times New Roman; color: #006400;">Read! Talk! 23:17, 8 April 2020 (UTC)
 * I don't think it's more frequent than an annual event :) but done. Thank you, Liz. ——  SN  54129  18:15, 9 April 2020 (UTC)

A goat for you!
Thank you for the clean up assist on my talk page. Cheers!

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Your unsubstantiated accusations
You have called me an ethno-political POV-pusher and now accusing me of calling other editors ISIS. This is a warning to you, don't make unsubstantiated accusations against me again.-- SharʿabSalam▼ (talk) 17:33, 6 April 2020 (UTC)
 * Are you sure you want to do this ?OK. Let's clarify, for a start. What you're presumably referring to was my comment at AN/I that It wasn't that long ago though, was it, that an administrator instructed you to "dial it down immediately" for, err, comparing things to ISIS. This is not, unfortunately, an unsubstantiated claim—as I'm sure you remember—because it is less than six months since administrator  told you to that you need to dial it down immediately. Comparing anything to ISIS is unacceptable without solid evidence (this was followed by the pretty unequivocal if you're unable to separate your opinions about them from how Wikipedia discusses them, then this is a topic you are likely to be removed from). Ironically, it was precisely those kind of remarks that you complained of at ANI.It was, of course, only March when another admin,, warned you on your talk that you were being unnecessarilly antagonistic—again, at noticeboards. Then there was January, when admin  had to advise you against personal attacksSorry, but the best way to avoid very substantiable comments with regard one's interactions with other editors is to recalibrate one's approach: perhaps consider that it is you that is, perhaps, overly abrasive rather than consistently being other people's. All the best.  ——  SN  54129  17:58, 6 April 2020 (UTC)
 * I am pretty sure I want you to clarify your accusation that I am an ethno-political POV-pusher. Also, I didn't compare any editor to ISIS. I compared the KGP, a terrorist organisation that is designated as a terrorist group by all European countries, the US, Australia, Japan and the UN. When you made you comment there you made sound as if I have compared an editor to ISIS, like that editor who called editors ISIS. Any further "ethno-political POV-pusher" accusation against me and I will fill a report against you.-- SharʿabSalam▼ (talk) 18:07, 6 April 2020 (UTC)
 * Also that Drimes' comment was after an editor kept calling me names like "Yemen khat kid" and insulted my grandfather, I told that editor that he is mentally incapable of continuing that discussion, what I meant is that he was so angry. I said that I didn't mean to make as a personal attack. I have explained to Drimes what happened-- SharʿabSalam▼ (talk) 18:11, 6 April 2020 (UTC)


 * It was January,, and you'll find keeping your cool and presenting rational, cogent arguments at MfD a surefire way to avoid the appearance. But of course that's a shame about your grandfather. ——  SN  54129  18:34, 6 April 2020 (UTC)

Revdel, please.
Hi. Could you please revdel both edits by ? Thanks. Kleuske (talk) 15:48, 6 April 2020 (UTC)
 * Bloody hell, as if the Coronavirus wasn't bad enough, you've only gotta go confuse me with an admin :)  No can do I'm afraid, but I think I saw  wandering around earlier...?Hope you're well!  ——  SN  54129  15:57, 6 April 2020 (UTC)
 * RfA! RfA! RfA! creffett (talk) 16:10, 6 April 2020 (UTC)
 * On edit, they have already been caught in the BEAM ;)   ——  SN  54129  15:58, 6 April 2020 (UTC)
 * Not 1000% sure about the revdel, but it seemed to make sense so I did it. --Floquenbeam (talk) 16:04, 6 April 2020 (UTC)
 * I suppose this is the time to say [we] are once again, asking for your [mopping] support. Mr rnddude (talk) 16:07, 6 April 2020 (UTC)
 * A bloodbath is announced, to be followed by light music. "Gentlemen, it was a pleasure playing with you." :)   ——  SN  54129  16:36, 6 April 2020 (UTC)
 * Ooops. Well, if you aren’t a mod, you bloody well should be. All’s well, here. Kleuske (talk) 17:01, 6 April 2020 (UTC)
 * I've got it! Nominate the usual pun/bad joke/silly image group (you, EEng, Levivich, Atsme, who else?) as a batch RfA like what we do with mass-AfDs, so that we can conveniently vote them all down in one place. creffett (talk) 17:35, 6 April 2020 (UTC)

I got vandalized on my sand box
So I got vandalized on my sandbox and thanks for the help for that one time reply if you can help I removed the vandalism check my sand box thank you (Maokn (talk) 19:48, 5 April 2020 (UTC))
 * Yeah I hate it when I get vandalism in my sandbox. Levivich&thinsp;<sup style="white-space:nowrap;">[dubious – discuss] 06:43, 6 April 2020 (UTC)
 * , hey, you got your sandbox in my vandalism! creffett (talk) 14:53, 6 April 2020 (UTC)
 * Since their sandbox has never been edited by anyone else, let alone vandalized, I think it may be the case that all their sandbox are belong to us... ——  SN  54129  15:00, 6 April 2020 (UTC)

PainMan
You wrote -

''Welcome to Wikipedia. Although everyone is welcome to contribute constructively to the encyclopedia, we would like you to assume good faith while interacting with other editors, which you did not do on User talk:FDW777. Take a look at the welcome page to learn more about contributing to this encyclopedia. Thank you. ——SN54129 19:47, 18 March 2020 (UTC)''

I've been doing wikipedia for 15 years now. Maybe longer. I haven't looked to be honest. But I'm no newb. When I very first started editing I had several negative experiences with folks I call Page Commandos. I learned that several people can essentially high jack an article and stop anyone else from contributing to it. It's also clear that these claques extend into the administrator hierarchy. 'In short, if ya ain't a member of the Club, ya ain't gonna win any appeal'. One Admin was frank about this, telling me I'd be blocked for even challenging his ukase. I do wonder if this is what Jimbo Wales wants or if he just doesn't care.

Check my record, am I a guy that regularly engages in controversy - pointless or otherwise. I don't care enough about FDW777 to continue with the nonsense. He leaves me alone; I'll leave him alone.

I've authored 3 articles. I've made thousands of edits. The vast majority or grammar, spelling, typo corrections and rewriting bad English, especially when written by non-native speakers. I almost never change facts. I feel I'm doing a bigger service to wikipedia than engaging in "ferocious quibbles over a comma".

PainMan (talk) 17:40, 4 April 2020 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the message. For the record, you'd be better of making this statement at Arbitration/Requests/Enforcement. Apologies for the template though! A couple of other things. I left you that message 17 days ago; this response then would be more persuasive than this response now. I'm also not doubting your commitment to the project, and I don't see anyone else doing so. All that seems to be an issue is an occasional blindspot on a topic for which you hold strong feelings. There's nothin wrong with that—as long as it can be controlled.I'll link to this message over at AE, thanks again for it. ——  SN  54129  14:50, 5 April 2020 (UTC)

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Gwenno Saunders
This is being discussed at WP:BLPN and input there would be infinitely more useful than reverting, especially as 'my' version is restoring something which has been there since the article was created (13+ years); 'your' version has been there 5 months. Ever heard of WP:BRD? GiantSnowman 08:50, 29 March 2020 (UTC)
 * as it happens, I have. The question—since you made a Bold edit, which was then Reverted, but which you then reverted twice more until you hit 3RR and now have decided to Discuss—is whether you have—although your willful disregard of the process you cite suggests that you do and care otherwise  :)  since you have been addressed at WP:BLPN by Messrs  and , is my assistance in showing you the way really required?Notwithstanding all that, snowmen rock, so stay safe.  ——  SN  54129  07:15, 30 March 2020 (UTC)
 * Nope - the bold edit was the one in October 2019 changing 13 years of stability. I reverted that edit. You (nor of the other editors) have not discussed. GiantSnowman 17:10, 30 March 2020 (UTC)
 * Are you just going to ignore that fact? Why have you restored a (relatively) recent edit which messed up the 13 year stability of the article? GiantSnowman 19:40, 31 March 2020 (UTC)




 * – It didn't mess up anything. The article stayed stable for another half-a-year before you disputed the change. For which you are yet to give a cogent argument beyond MOS:ETHNICITY, which is inapplicable in cases where the subject's ethnicity is relevant to their notability. Imagine describing the Dalai Lama as Chinese because Tibetan isn't a nationality (anymore). He might dump pacifism just to whoop some ass for a sleight like that. Mr rnddude (talk) 20:24, 31 March 2020 (UTC)
 * That tells me that I used the wrong slight. Damn it. Mr rnddude (talk) 23:44, 31 March 2020 (UTC) ->
 * Cornwall is an English county. It is not a country. The China-Tibet analogy is not suitable. What makes her Cornish, other than her recording music on Cornish? After all she also recorded an album in Welsh...indeed, she was born and raised in Wales, and her record label describes her as being "from Cardiff" and not "Cornish". Yes one of her parents is Cornish and she is fluent in the language, but that does not make her Cornish! GiantSnowman 18:22, 1 April 2020 (UTC)

Precious anniversary
--Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:31, 29 March 2020 (UTC)
 * Danke schön, Gerda. I'll make the most of this—might not be here for the next one! :)  ——  SN  54129  06:58, 30 March 2020 (UTC)
 * Same for me. Did you know that RexxS made the template, so in the future - after me - a bot could issue it, - provided I get the dates in the table organised? I managed for the user names. - Did you read Jessye Norman yesterday? I feel so blessed that I heard her (Carnegie Hall), and won't forget the gesture keeping the audience breathless even for a very long piano postlude. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:04, 30 March 2020 (UTC)
 * Thank you today for William Bonville, 1st Baron Bonville, Next in a series of bad or bonkers barons, here's Lord Bonville. Nothing to do with this, unfortunately. The early part of his career was pretty run of the mill—suing relatives, fighting the French—but in middle age, he found his niche: engaging in a long-running bitter and bloody feud with a more powerful neighbour, the Earl of Devon, in which they both had their share of victories and defeats. A small feud like that, of course, couldn't really stay the course against its bigger and badder brother, so both they and they squabble became part of a national political crisis which culminated, in early 1461 in both Bonville and his rival dying violently in quick succession for their favoured causes."! - Here's a (later) funeral sentence ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 06:36, 18 April 2020 (UTC)

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DYK nomination of Station Squabble
Hello! Your submission of Station Squabble at the Did You Know nominations page has been reviewed, and some issues with it may need to be clarified. Please review the comment(s) underneath your nomination's entry and respond there as soon as possible. Thank you for contributing to Did You Know! BlueMoonset (talk) 22:59, 18 March 2020 (UTC)
 * Thanks for this,, but it's nothing to do with me. I merely expanded the article to save it from deletion; the dyk nominator added my name to it without my permission. Cheers, ——  SN  54129  06:05, 19 March 2020 (UTC)
 * Thanks for letting me know. I'll close it, then. BlueMoonset (talk) 06:08, 19 March 2020 (UTC)

Yes yes yes...

 * This sort of nonsense is why everyone should just stop contributing to the main namespace. The people who claim to be in charge can't manage our effort to write an encyclopedia beyond bullshit rulings to disallow reverts and punishing editors under behavior policies. SanFran will take their $35M in profit but you guys are all under 1RR. Chris Troutman  ( talk ) 13:55, 18 March 2020 (UTC)
 * This implies that the punitive regime is mostly the WMF; I doubt that that is true, and the damage done by political, social, and fanboy POV-pushers is considerable. It ain’t always about the money. Qwirkle (talk) 14:02, 18 March 2020 (UTC)
 * I see every ARBCOM DS ruling as an admission that they are only competent to enforce the veneer of civility. This enterprise seeks no method for resolving content disputes or cracking down on the POV pushers, fans, and crazies. That strategy only burns-out our good-faith volunteer contributors. Chris Troutman  ( talk ) 14:40, 18 March 2020 (UTC)
 * Can’t, and wouldn’t wanna, argue with that, but I’d add that part of the reason this happens is because some of the POV-pushers say things that the various PTB are comfortable with, and their mortal sins against scholarship are treated as peccadilloes. Cf. Cirt, and Mr. WikiWelcomeWagon, so to speak, (now at ARBCOM) Qwirkle (talk) 14:57, 18 March 2020 (UTC)
 * You always make excellent points Chris, and as ever it's a pleasure when you drop by. Our paths don't cross often enough.Same to you of course, .Yes, I made my one edit to a C-19 article and thought I might as well template myself before someone else does ;) but I do intend to steer clear of the subject. Talk about a minefield.  ——  SN  54129  14:04, 18 March 2020 (UTC)
 * Wait, what? We authorized COVID-19 GS? I suggested that a week ago and was told that it wasn't worth it...Nope, I'm not bitter at all. creffett (talk) 14:32, 18 March 2020 (UTC)
 * Heh :)   I missed it too—I was probably glancing at my watch at the time! It goes to show though that no man is a prophet in his own land...   ——  SN  54129  14:37, 18 March 2020 (UTC)

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Hiya
Well I am dyslexic and can sometimes get stuff muddled!! Govvy (talk) 22:52, 14 March 2020 (UTC)
 * No problem at all, they're dead close to each other. Although, by the way, both A7 and A11 are for articles...not user pages ;)  ——  SN  54129  23:07, 14 March 2020 (UTC)
 * heh, just had four alerts from ya! I was getting in to the New Page feed, going through the articles and checking them out, I do love the ones on history that popup. But ye, guess you noticed that think on Ross Flom‎, maybe I leave that for someone else to deal with then!! Govvy (talk) 23:14, 14 March 2020 (UTC)
 * Apologies for all the pings! Gotta little bit confused... ;)   ——  SN  54129  23:27, 14 March 2020 (UTC)

ANI
I would like to make it clear that I have no content dispute nor did I challenge any material on that grounds. Consider reevaluation or I will open new ANI making it clear that there is no content dispute. Sauvahge (talk) 11:49, 14 March 2020 (UTC)
 * , it is a content dispute (you are disagreeing about content and sourcing), and a discussion is already taking place in the right place. Please don't raise another ANI thread about this, just engage with the discussion - you don't want to be boomeranged for wasting people's time. Best Girth Summit <sub style="font-family:script;color:blue;"> (blether)  12:06, 14 March 2020 (UTC)
 * No, again I want to clarify. I have no dispute regarding the content at all. What I found troubling is that soure from 1905 is quoted and used to explain movement that will develop years later. How can you quote source from 1905 and say Art Deco will be this and that. That is textbook Original Research. Sauvahge (talk) 12:09, 14 March 2020 (UTC)
 * , this is exactly what is meant by the phrase 'content dispute' - you disagree with other another editor about content and sourcing. Take your concerns to the article talk page, discuss it with other editors, and if you can't come to a consensus try dispute resolution. ANI is for behavioural issues - the closest thing to a behavioural issue on that page is your edit warring to remove content you don't like (let's be clear - you removed content (bold), ColdCreation reinstated it (revert), you then removed it again without consensus to do so - you were wrong to do that). Engage with the discussion, or walk away. Anyway, I doubt whether SN wants this discussion taking place on his talk page - please feel free to drop me a note on mine if you disagree with anything I've said. Best Girth Summit <sub style="font-family:script;color:blue;"> (blether)  12:31, 14 March 2020 (UTC)

Many thanks, —just got back online. —— SN  54129  13:28, 14 March 2020 (UTC)
 * No worries - is that Wikibreak notice at the top of the page a real thing by the way, are we not going to be seeing you around the place? :( Girth Summit <sub style="font-family:script;color:blue;"> (blether)  13:41, 14 March 2020 (UTC)

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 * True that,, and thanks very much. It's almost finished, but it would be good to know a bit more about his pre- and post-Stones career—there's so little in RS. Having any luck with the family? ——  SN  54129  14:12, 8 March 2020 (UTC)


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Did you mean to revert yourself? As much as I hope you have reconsidered, it's quite rare to do so with rollback. :)  Maxim (talk)  13:27, 1 March 2020 (UTC)
 * Thanks for he note. Yes, it was intentional—I decided that the decision deserved deeper, less superficial, consideration than I had then given it. Apologies if I messed up the percentages or anything. How do you mean, "as much as I hope you have reconsidered"? ——  SN  54129  13:38, 1 March 2020 (UTC)
 * D'oh! I just realised, of course, that as a nominator, that's why you would hope that :)   ——  SN  54129  13:39, 1 March 2020 (UTC)
 * , the percentages didn't get messed up. It's usually more clear if the !vote is struck out, just because the rollback looked an errant click. (And as a nominator, I'm equally happy with a strikeout or a rollback - it's all the same to me. :p  Maxim (talk)  14:16, 1 March 2020 (UTC)

I added your image to an article.
The fair use image you uploaded was almost deleted, so I added it to Richard Roose. Analog Horror, ( Speak ) 18:03, 29 February 2020 (UTC)
 * , many thanks for taking care of old Roose there, I'd forgotten all about it. Thanks very much. Just as a pointer, if you want to link to a file without actually showing it, put a semi colon before the file name; e.g., in this case, it's now File:Richard Roose being boiled alive.jpg ; While I'm sure my talk page could always do with more medieval brutalia, some of my stalkers are timid creatures...though not many, mind you ;) Have a good weekend! ——  SN  54129  18:38, 29 February 2020 (UTC)

you are so asking for it
death or hell.

--Letsdothisdothis (talk) 09:23, 29 February 2020 (UTC)


 * And Yet, I Dwell In Both ——  SN  54129  09:35, 29 February 2020 (UTC)


 * That sounds unpleasant. Join me instead? Cheers, --bonadea contributions talk 10:28, 29 February 2020 (UTC)
 * what is that they say—"Hell is other people"?! But as an afficionado of the—oddly-named mutton—that's a great poem, thanks for the introduction. Lovely sense of unending breathlessness.  ——  SN  54129  18:48, 29 February 2020 (UTC)
 * The fulminating (and now blocked) user is a sock of User:Iniced, the Churlish Chump from Chorley. How dwelling in Lancashire should be classified, I'll let others decide. Favonian (talk) 10:36, 29 February 2020 (UTC)
 * Down one of their many holes, perhaps :D  ——  SN  54129  18:48, 29 February 2020 (UTC)
 * I went to a football match in Chorley one night. I cannot for the life of me remember why the hell I was there though. Typical Northern Premier League solid stadium. As I recall, one end was ten metres higher than the other. -Roxy, the PROD. . wooF 19:18, 29 February 2020 (UTC)
 * Kind of Chorley Ultras eh? ;) ——  SN  54129  19:28, 29 February 2020 (UTC)

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Would it be possible for you to block my old account name (anmccaff) from posting? I log into it occasionally to see the old watchlist, and I’ve accidentally posted using it about 5 times now. Qwirkle (talk) 22:41, 28 February 2020 (UTC)
 * Thanks very much for the (massively undeserved) promotion; but I think I saw fine admins around a minute ago, hope one of them can help. Have a good weekend  :)   ——  SN  54129  09:35, 29 February 2020 (UTC)
 * Ahh, that was just wishful thinking? My apologies. When I was younger and stupider I’d have suggested you run, then, but I wouldn’t wish going through an RfA on any sentient being. Mind if I nuke this rather than archive? Qwirkle (talk) 10:29, 29 February 2020 (UTC)

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Your accusation of ethno-political POV pusher
Could you tell me why you accused me of being an ethno-political POV pusher based on that request for deletion?. That is exactly like saying I am racist.-SharʿabSalam▼ (talk) 00:38, 21 February 2020 (UTC)
 * I'm very glad to see you haven't been indefinitely blocked yet. No, it is not the same thing at all. Unless of course you have been making racist statements. Your MfD screed was a polemic. Quoth an administrator from early in the discussion: ...if you're unable to separate your opinions about them from how Wikipedia discusses them, then this is a topic you are likely to be removed from. Happy days. ——  SN  54129  08:33, 21 February 2020 (UTC)

Re: edit summary on my talk page
Hi. Sorry, I wasn't meaning to accuse you of 'twattish gloating'. I was just expressing my opinion of what motivated the person who reverted an edit on my talk page. Apologies if you were offended. DrFrench (talk) 09:12, 18 February 2020 (UTC)
 * , no problem and thanks very much for the message. I just didn't want to leave you a message about something you'd just archived, which could/would have looked a bit arseholery! Cheers, ——  SN  54129  09:25, 18 February 2020 (UTC)
 * There again, if you hadn't removed the block and appeal notice - as it specifically tells you not to do on the blocking message - then maybe someone wouldn't have had to put it back. There was no gloating at all, let alone any "twattish gloating", which says more about you than me, I think. - SchroCat (talk) 16:29, 18 February 2020 (UTC)

Dillegrout
Hey, SN! So here's the recipe for dillegrout, which the holders of the manor of Addington were required to serve at every coronation in perpetuity from 1068 to keep their tenancy. Someone finally let them off the hook after 1821:

Take almonde mylk, and draw hit up thik with vernage, and let hit boyle, and braune of capons braied and put therto; and cast therto sugre, claves, maces, pynes, and ginger, mynced; and take chekyns parboyled and chopped, and pul of the skyn, and boyle al ensemble, and, in the settynge doune from the fire, put thereto a lytel vynegar alaied with pouder of ginger, and a lytel water of everose, and make the potage hanginge, and serve hit forth.

So I'm thinking

(Make a reduction of almond milk and sweet wine?) and bring to a boil (or maybe simmer?), add (the dark meat?) of capon, braised. Add sugar, cloves, mace, pine nuts, and minced ginger. Parboil a chicken, remove the skin, chop the meat, add it, and boil (simmer?) everything together. After removing from the heat, add vinegar combined with powdered ginger, and a little rose water. But what the heck does 'make the potage hanginge' mean before we serve it forth?

I'm considering making the darn thing just so I can photograph it, because that's how crazy I am. I mean, this is clearly a sweet chicken porridge-y thing that must taste a bit like pumpkin pie. :D Thanks so much for any help! --valereee (talk) 14:23, 17 February 2020 (UTC)
 * , "make the potage hanginge" means let it thicken before serving. It can be referenced to the Early English Dictionary, I'll send you the relevant page.Go ahead. I'm sure it tastes as good as it sounds ;)   ——  SN  54129  14:32, 17 February 2020 (UTC)
 * Thanks so much, I'll watch for it! --valereee (talk) 15:09, 17 February 2020 (UTC)
 * Oh, I sent it over half an hour ago! ——  SN  54129  15:17, 17 February 2020 (UTC)
 * Found it, thanks so much! --valereee (talk) 15:23, 17 February 2020 (UTC)
 * Couple of tings, Beidget Anne Henisch describes it as "chicken in a piquant sauce", also linking it to Bardolf, "which may reveal the secret of Dillegrout". Eileen White, meanwhile, calls it a "sacremental oat of pottage". Unfortunately I can't see any more from Gbooks and don't possess hardcopies. ——  SN  54129  16:33, 17 February 2020 (UTC)
 * Oh, very cool, thanks! My library has the Henisch book! Hm, looks like the other isn't available via my library/interlibrary loan. Maybe I can find someone at the reference desk! --valereee (talk) 16:44, 17 February 2020 (UTC)


 * This may be what spawned Monty Python: The first dish of hot meat is now brought into the hall preceded by two clerks controllers, two clerks of the green cloth, the Master of the Household, the Cofferer, six sergeants-at-arms, the Lord High Steward, with the Earl Marshall on his left, and the High Constable on his right hand. These three dignitaries are on horseback. They are followed by six sergeants-at-arms, then by the Comptroller of the Household, and the Treasurer of the Household, the Assistant to the Queen's Sewer and the Queen's Sewer, the Assistant to the King's Sewer and the King's Sewer. The course of meat is carried either by Gentlemen Pensioners two and two, or, as is more proper, by the new made Knights of the Bath. After them comes the Lord of the manor of Addington carrying the "mess called dillegrout," and the procession is ended by two clerks of the kitchen. --valereee (talk) 18:31, 17 February 2020 (UTC)
 * Forgive the statement of the obvious, but is this not just the standard traditional recipe for blancmange? &#8209; Iridescent 21:56, 17 February 2020 (UTC)
 * , it's been compared to blancmange by various later-commenters! But isn't blancmange a slicable thing? --valereee (talk) 23:21, 17 February 2020 (UTC)
 * Traditional blancmange was basically spiced and sweetened chicken soup made with milk, reduced and thickened until it had the consistency of porridge; some recipes recommended serving it as a stew in bowls, some recommend boiling it until it's thick enough to serve in slices. It only evolved into the present-day "opaque white jello" in the Georgian period. When it comes to medieval blancmange, we have the luxury of knowing exactly how it was made, as it was so popular the recipe appears in a ton of medieval manuscripts. The recipe from The Forme of Cury, the cookbook of the medieval English royal court, uses aniseed as a flavouring instead of rosewater, but is otherwise virtually identical to the one at the top of this thread. &#8209; Iridescent 06:40, 18 February 2020 (UTC)
 * , very interesting! Hm, he Forme of Cury recipe is maybe the similar maupygernon, as it has fat added. (I assume that's what grece is, that's added with the sugar?) But wait...does rys = rice? Because there's no rice in the dillegrout recipe. They've both got capons and almonds/almond milk and sugar, for sure.
 * I added Blancmange as a See also, but I'll go back over the sources and see which ones were saying what about the similarity to blancmange! Thanks! --valereee (talk) 11:47, 18 February 2020 (UTC)
 * and they wondered why it was stone cold when it got there ;)   ——  SN  54129  12:01, 18 February 2020 (UTC)
 * Forgive the statement of the obvious, but is this not just the standard traditional recipe for blancmange? &#8209; Iridescent 21:56, 17 February 2020 (UTC)
 * , it's been compared to blancmange by various later-commenters! But isn't blancmange a slicable thing? --valereee (talk) 23:21, 17 February 2020 (UTC)
 * Traditional blancmange was basically spiced and sweetened chicken soup made with milk, reduced and thickened until it had the consistency of porridge; some recipes recommended serving it as a stew in bowls, some recommend boiling it until it's thick enough to serve in slices. It only evolved into the present-day "opaque white jello" in the Georgian period. When it comes to medieval blancmange, we have the luxury of knowing exactly how it was made, as it was so popular the recipe appears in a ton of medieval manuscripts. The recipe from The Forme of Cury, the cookbook of the medieval English royal court, uses aniseed as a flavouring instead of rosewater, but is otherwise virtually identical to the one at the top of this thread. &#8209; Iridescent 06:40, 18 February 2020 (UTC)
 * , very interesting! Hm, he Forme of Cury recipe is maybe the similar maupygernon, as it has fat added. (I assume that's what grece is, that's added with the sugar?) But wait...does rys = rice? Because there's no rice in the dillegrout recipe. They've both got capons and almonds/almond milk and sugar, for sure.
 * I added Blancmange as a See also, but I'll go back over the sources and see which ones were saying what about the similarity to blancmange! Thanks! --valereee (talk) 11:47, 18 February 2020 (UTC)
 * (I nearly typed there) excellent analysis. As late, indeed, as the 19th century!Yeah, the principle flavours of the upper-class medieval menu were the contrasting sweet–savoury combo. At a conference some years ago one of the extracurricular exhibitions was medieval cuisine, at the top of the menu being sugared lamprey. Samples were available  :)   ——  SN  54129  12:01, 18 February 2020 (UTC)
 * Yes, "rys"=rice. Because it doesn't grow either in England or in any of medieval England's main trading partners (it was later grown in Spain and Aquitaine but at the time we're talking about it only grew in Islamic countries and Byzantium) in the middle ages substituting rice for corn or oats was an extreme in-your-face form of pointless conspicuous consumption. The modern equivalent would be Himalayan salt or imported water. &#8209; Iridescent 12:49, 18 February 2020 (UTC)
 * I added Blancmange as a See also, but I'll go back over the sources and see which ones were saying what about the similarity to blancmange! Thanks! --valereee (talk) 11:47, 18 February 2020 (UTC)
 * (I nearly typed there) excellent analysis. As late, indeed, as the 19th century!Yeah, the principle flavours of the upper-class medieval menu were the contrasting sweet–savoury combo. At a conference some years ago one of the extracurricular exhibitions was medieval cuisine, at the top of the menu being sugared lamprey. Samples were available  :)   ——  SN  54129  12:01, 18 February 2020 (UTC)
 * Yes, "rys"=rice. Because it doesn't grow either in England or in any of medieval England's main trading partners (it was later grown in Spain and Aquitaine but at the time we're talking about it only grew in Islamic countries and Byzantium) in the middle ages substituting rice for corn or oats was an extreme in-your-face form of pointless conspicuous consumption. The modern equivalent would be Himalayan salt or imported water. &#8209; Iridescent 12:49, 18 February 2020 (UTC)
 * Yes, "rys"=rice. Because it doesn't grow either in England or in any of medieval England's main trading partners (it was later grown in Spain and Aquitaine but at the time we're talking about it only grew in Islamic countries and Byzantium) in the middle ages substituting rice for corn or oats was an extreme in-your-face form of pointless conspicuous consumption. The modern equivalent would be Himalayan salt or imported water. &#8209; Iridescent 12:49, 18 February 2020 (UTC)
 * Yes, "rys"=rice. Because it doesn't grow either in England or in any of medieval England's main trading partners (it was later grown in Spain and Aquitaine but at the time we're talking about it only grew in Islamic countries and Byzantium) in the middle ages substituting rice for corn or oats was an extreme in-your-face form of pointless conspicuous consumption. The modern equivalent would be Himalayan salt or imported water. &#8209; Iridescent 12:49, 18 February 2020 (UTC)

This is one of the best talk page threads ever. --bonadea contributions talk 13:32, 18 February 2020 (UTC)
 * If you liked this, you may want to sample the wares at Template talk:English cuisine. &#8209; Iridescent 15:16, 18 February 2020 (UTC)
 * OMG where has THAT been all my life! --valereee (talk) 16:45, 18 February 2020 (UTC)
 * Bearing in mind that Iridescent's page is WP:AN/BN/RFC/JIMBO all rolled into one, I think they come here for the light relief :)   ——  SN  54129  15:21, 18 February 2020 (UTC)
 * Bearing in mind that Iridescent's page is WP:AN/BN/RFC/JIMBO all rolled into one, I think they come here for the light relief :)   ——  SN  54129  15:21, 18 February 2020 (UTC)

SN, I got the Henisch book and have added a section at Dillegrout -- would you have any idea who this Walter in Essex might be? --valereee (talk) 17:12, 22 February 2020 (UTC)
 * Short answer, no; I have to pull the old "not my period" card, I'm afraid :)  perhaps —lately of this parish—might have more idea. Is it definitely talking about the conquest period? It could have been Walter of Douai, who although a predominantly a West Country landowner, did hold estates in Essex also (Havering-atte-Bower, IIRC for example). There's also Walter de Clare, although he's a few years later. All things being equal, I'd bet my shirt that this Walter is an early version of the FitWalter family. See "my" John FitzWalter, 2nd Baron FitzWalter for a particularly tasty 13th-century version  :) If you don't mind me saying, bloody good work with the article though, it's really interesting.   ——  SN  54129  18:54, 22 February 2020 (UTC)
 * Thanks so much! Walter of Essex was in Domesday, so, um...:::embarrassed cough:::...yes, conquest period? hahahaha --valereee (talk) 20:02, 22 February 2020 (UTC)
 * No embarrassment required,  :) My fault, I've got the memory of a goldfish, and although I'd read your piece a few minutes earlier, by the time I replied to you here, I'd bloody forgotten what you'd writen. Well, it is Saturday evening here, that's my excuse!  ——  SN  54129  20:07, 22 February 2020 (UTC)
 * Saturday afternoon for me, which is good enough here. Sun's over the yardarm somewhere! --valereee (talk) 21:11, 22 February 2020 (UTC)
 * , that-> looks...interesting ;)  how did it taste?  ——  SN  54129  13:17, 24 February 2020 (UTC)
 * My husband and son also pronounced it "interesting." :) I can see how in the 11th century someone might have thought it was the best thing they'd ever eaten. We, on the other hand, have the benefit of an additional 1000 years of human cooking experience. The almond-milk base, I'll definitely try again. Adding cloves, sugar, and rosewater, not so much. I suspect the sugar and spices were there mostly to make it an expensive and therefore kingly dish. I did write out a recipe, might put it into the wiki cookbook just for the lolz. --valereee (talk) 13:30, 24 February 2020 (UTC)
 * Oh, and your thought this might be an early FitzWalter lines up with what the Henisch book says: "The history of both tenures shows how the service demanded for the land changed significantly in the course of time. Thus, Walter in Domesday is described as a cook, but by the early thirteenth century his successor's duties are more narrowly defined: he is to be the king's turnspit. A little later, he is merely expected to clock in for work in the royal kitchen on the three great feasts of the year, Christmas, Easter, and Whitsun. By the middle of the century, this humble labor was no longer required because some annual military service had taken its place. By 1294/1295 he paid for his land each year with money." Baron FitzWalter was created in 1295, and his father was Sir Walter FitzRobert of Woodham Walter, Essex.
 * Henisch is sourcing to Round, The King's Sergeants and Officers of State p43. Might have to just go look that up...--valereee (talk) 13:50, 24 February 2020 (UTC)
 * Nice bit of detective work,  :)  conveniently, Round is on Archive.org.  ——  SN  54129  13:59, 24 February 2020 (UTC)
 * OMG Dillegrout got nearly 15,000 views yesterday at DYK hahahahaha sometimes I love this place --valereee (talk) 01:51, 8 March 2020 (UTC)
 * OMG Dillegrout got nearly 15,000 views yesterday at DYK hahahahaha sometimes I love this place --valereee (talk) 01:51, 8 March 2020 (UTC)

Your GA nomination of Der Rosendorn
The article Der Rosendorn you nominated as a good article has passed ; see Talk:Der Rosendorn for comments about the article. Well done! If the article has not already been on the main page as an "In the news" or "Did you know" item, you can nominate it to appear in Did you know. Message delivered by Legobot, on behalf of Chiswick Chap -- Chiswick Chap (talk) 17:22, 16 February 2020 (UTC)

Amused, but confused
Your edit summary for this diff gave me a chuckle, but your correction also left me quite confused. What do you mean by returning to the RfA process?

Cheers,

Doug Mehus T · C  15:59, 16 February 2020 (UTC)

Well spotted
User talk:Truth is this. Doug Weller talk 17:46, 15 February 2020 (UTC)
 * Cheers,, I don't think Sherlock's got anything to fear though :)   ——  SN  54129  18:08, 15 February 2020 (UTC)

Personal attack and bullying without reason
Dear you threatening me of mega blaockage even without explaining reason, your mentioned article des not explain reason, please explain why you deleted edit o God in Islam ° — Preceding unsigned comment added by Truth is this (talk • contribs) 17:33, 15 February 2020 (UTC)
 * Your edits are consistently poor, I'm afraid, and syou are clealy a sock. ——  SN  54129  17:45, 15 February 2020 (UTC)

Dominic McGlinchy
If that is what you mean by "expand slightly", it might take me a year to read something substantive.

Very impressive work by the way.

CivisHibernius (talk) 02:10, 13 February 2020 (UTC)
 * Well, an edit-summary of "~13X expansion" would have been looked massively big-headed! Thanks for the appreciation, ; I like to get out of my comfort zone every now and then. What you think re: NPOV? Being so notorious, that was always going to be the tricky bit. ——  SN  54129  13:10, 13 February 2020 (UTC)

You're looking for...
MOS:PLURALNOUN. Im not aware that we've ever needed a policy/guideline that says titles need to be grammatically correct - it might be buried somewhere in WP:TITLE. Ealdgyth (talk) 14:09, 12 February 2020 (UTC)
 * Thanks, . you wouldn't have thought we would, would you? But there's always a firsttime...I'll dig through WP:TITLE also. Cheers! ——  SN  54129  14:31, 12 February 2020 (UTC)

Your GA nomination of Murder of William de Cantilupe
The article Murder of William de Cantilupe you nominated as a good article has passed ; see Talk:Murder of William de Cantilupe for comments about the article. Well done! If the article has not already been on the main page as an "In the news" or "Did you know" item, you can nominate it to appear in Did you know. Message delivered by Legobot, on behalf of Ealdgyth -- Ealdgyth (talk) 14:42, 10 February 2020 (UTC)
 * Thanks very much :)  do you think it's ready to "kick upstairs", as it were...? It was a pleasure working with you, cheers.  ——  SN  54129  14:53, 10 February 2020 (UTC)
 * Given that I'm not really a prose polisher up there with the best of them, I'd suggest getting someone else's eyes on it for prose - I can not promise that my idea of FA-ready prose will necessarily be up to snuff for others. might have some suggestions? The sources though, should pass FA easy. (ping me and I'll do the source review since I can't possibly promote because of the GA review anyway) Ealdgyth (talk) 14:56, 10 February 2020 (UTC)


 * I would be happy to give it a gentle copy edit if SN would like me to. Gog the Mild (talk) 16:36, 10 February 2020 (UTC)
 * If you could,, much appreciated! Looking forward to the subsequent edit war  :D    ——  SN  54129  18:43, 10 February 2020 (UTC)

Thanks for the thanks
There should be a button for that.. Oh, wait, no there shouldn't...

I won't be returning, but your "thanks" for telling the bots to "off fuck" while I was still online made me smile and deserved a reply. I stay logged in because I prefer my javascript/css stuff to be operative when I click the myriad pedia links online, so it looks less ugly.

Be well, and take care... - Begoon 16:50, 7 February 2020 (UTC)
 * I hope,, that actually you don't leave, although I don't blame you if you do. I mean, who'd volunteer anywhere if it became more hassle than it was worth. But, "keep your powder dry" is an expression, I think. All the best, ——  SN  54129  17:07, 7 February 2020 (UTC)


 * The lack of a "new section" link should have been a clue... that I was on your user page instead of your talk page... and so should the missing signature button in the toolbar...  Hopefully that means that I'm forgetting all that....  Oops and all. Thanks again. ttfn -- Begoon 17:08, 7 February 2020 (UTC)

wp:rx
Hi, thanks for trying re my recent WP:RX request. There are apparently 300+ volumes of "Dictionary of Literary Biography" and some of them are two subtitles deep to get to the right book. Ironically vol. 2 and 3 of the book I needed can be borrowed from Internet Archive's "Open Library", but vol. 1 was nowhere to be found... and I did peruse the 'list' you sent me so thanks for that. Outriggr (talk) 08:16, 10 February 2020 (UTC)
 * Thanks, yeah it did confuse me a bit! Hope you find, as the feller says, what you're looking for :) ——  SN  54129  08:44, 10 February 2020 (UTC)

Block notice
Well... Not blocked, no, but they are globally locked. But I couldn't find a lock template. That's why I posted this one. Trijnstel talk 18:58, 9 February 2020 (UTC)
 * I do apologise! I've restored your block notice as if they're globally locked I'm sure the local paperwork will follow. The funny thing is, I thought their global contributions page would tell me if a lock was in place, but it doesn't. And yet I know I've seen it happen a few times today (this page seems to have attracted an unusual amount of attention, which is tiresome for my overworked and underpaid TPSs). Thanks for the note though, and for not mentioning that you clearly have all the promotion you need :)   ——  SN  54129  19:03, 9 February 2020 (UTC)
 * Hehe, that's okay. The only reason you don't see it in CentralAuth is because it's locked and hidden. ;-) Trijnstel talk 19:45, 9 February 2020 (UTC)

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Welcome to Wikipedia. Although everyone is welcome to contribute constructively to the encyclopedia, we would like you to assume good faith while interacting with other editors, which you did not do on User talk:TheBestEditorInEngland. Take a look at the welcome page to learn more about contributing to this encyclopedia. Thank you. ;'( 69  TheBestEditorInEngland  17:58, 5 February 2020 (UTC)
 * Wouldn't worry about it SN, took me at least three re-readings before I figured out what he was on about.-- P-K3 (talk) 18:39, 5 February 2020 (UTC)
 * Cheers,, yeah, all i'll say in my defence is that it was (is) kind of asking to be misread :) apologies for refactoring you temporarilly there, it was just the quckest/easiest way to sort the thing out that I could think of! ——  SN  54129  19:16, 5 February 2020 (UTC)
 * Heh, no problem. I see that he's still going... Quite a character.P-K3 (talk) 19:48, 5 February 2020 (UTC)

FAC noms since 1/1/18
Answering here to avoid cluttering up WT:FAC. Here's what I have; I counted John/Eleanor Rykener twice, since it was nominated twice; is that the discrepancy? Mike Christie (talk - contribs - library) 11:40, 5 February 2020 (UTC)
 * Cheers,, that would be it, yes. A shame though—I thought there might have been another I'd forgotten about :) Thanks for going to this trouble, it's cool to have 'em all boxed up like that. Hope you're well, and thanks for all your work at FAC!  ——  SN  54129  11:45, 5 February 2020 (UTC)
 * You're welcome, and I'm glad it wasn't a mistake -- there are plenty of data entry errors in what I have, I'm sure. Mike Christie (talk - contribs - library) 11:52, 5 February 2020 (UTC)
 * Oops! Sorry about this,, but there is a minor error, although only in the articles, not your final tally: the list is missing Henry Clifford, 10th Baron Clifford (promoted 22 January 2020), but includes Vale Royal Abbey (which was tanked* by on 24 May 2019).  ——  SN  54129  11:53, 5 February 2020 (UTC)
 * Yes -- I should have noted on WT:FAC when I posted the original table that it didn't include anything nominated in 2020; I haven't captured the January nominations yet. I doubt it'll change the overall table much but that's why Henry Clifford isn't in the list above. Mike Christie (talk - contribs -  library) 12:33, 5 February 2020 (UTC)
 * And I realized something else that isn't obvious -- I tabulate a month by the promotion date, so Henry Clifford isn't included even though it really was nominated in 2019. Mike Christie (talk - contribs - library) 12:54, 5 February 2020 (UTC)
 * * Only kidding, EC :)   ——  SN  54129

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TGS Unblock Appeal
Since you asked here's my longer explanation. I learned of this appeal and decided to watch it having remembered the whole situation and agreed with both the unblocking and subsequent reblock. I don't normally comment on such things and originally got involved in this because I saw a way for me to play the role Ritchie has here. However, I didn't get what I needed from TGS so I declined to post the appeal. When Ritchie came along I was glad someone was willing to do it even if it wasn't me but still had my concerns. While posting my original message I considered not leaving a formal oppose and just noting the relevant unblock text and two most recent community discussions, because again I don't normally participate in these discussions. Then when I saw some of the people supporting I decided to strike the oppose. I want to think well of all editors - even those who have been deservedly community banned. Good faith doesn't mean we have to be gullible either so I didn't see a way for me to support TGS at this time given their repeated abuse of the community's trust. But that also didn't mean I needed to be counted as an oppose. When I struck I did so knowing that Cullen and Swarm would be posting influential opposes (and probably should have guessed you'd have done the same) which I knew might swing the discussion and was comfortable basically taking my voice out of the discussion. Hope that all makes sense. Best, Barkeep49 (talk) 15:45, 4 February 2020 (UTC)

Your GA nomination of Thomas de la More
The article Thomas de la More you nominated as a good article has passed ; see Talk:Thomas de la More for comments about the article. Well done! If the article has not already been on the main page as an "In the news" or "Did you know" item, you can nominate it to appear in Did you know. Message delivered by Legobot, on behalf of Ealdgyth -- Ealdgyth (talk) 14:41, 2 February 2020 (UTC)

The Sweeney
They cover Westminster and parliament. The only time online harassment is ever really acted on by the police is when the troll makes the mistake of going for an MP (and ideally a Jewish or Muslim MP, as UK law becomes a lot clearer in such cases, as the racial aspects can be used as well). MPs also have a substantial legal budget for this. The two of my trolls which have gone to prison have both been through that route. Andy Dingley (talk) 17:05, 1 February 2020 (UTC)

Maybe entertaining
This nonsense — Paleo Neonate  – 23:15, 31 January 2020 (UTC)

User talk
I was removing personal attacks, and perfectly within my right do so. Please do not drop warnings on my talk page for this. Elizium23 (talk) 20:01, 30 January 2020 (UTC)
 * No you were not, and no you were not. If you think they were personal attacks, then report it at the relevant noticeboard. But note WP:TPO: Removing harmful posts, including personal attacks, trolling, and vandalism. This generally does not extend to messages that are merely uncivil; deletions of simple invective are controversial. Posts that may be considered disruptive in various ways are another borderline case and are usually best left as-is or archived. Your interpretation of a personal attack is unlikely to be upheld. Also, note that per policy, Accusations about personal behavior that lack evidence also constitute personal attacks in and of themselves. Serious accusations require serious evidence, usually in the form of diffs and links.}} Be mindful.Also I suggest that you read WP:DTTR: if you don't want to receive templated warnings, it is best not to use them yourself. FYI. ——  SN  54129  20:07, 30 January 2020 (UTC)
 * Also you should note WP:NOBAN: While allowing you to "ban" people from your talk page, a user cannot avoid administrator attention or appropriate project notices and communications by merely demanding their talk page not be posted to. (My emphasis). So this saga is unlikely to end the way you would like it to. ——  SN  54129  20:10, 30 January 2020 (UTC)

Your GA nomination of Thomas de la More
The article Thomas de la More you nominated as a good article has been placed on hold. The article is close to meeting the good article criteria, but there are some minor changes or clarifications needing to be addressed. If these are fixed within 7 days, the article will pass; otherwise it may fail. See Talk:Thomas de la More for issues which need to be addressed. Message delivered by Legobot, on behalf of Ealdgyth -- Ealdgyth (talk) 00:21, 30 January 2020 (UTC)

Your GA nomination of Thomas de la More
Hi there, I'm pleased to inform you that I've begun reviewing the article Thomas de la More you nominated for GA-status according to the criteria. This process may take up to 7 days. Feel free to contact me with any questions or comments you might have during this period. Message delivered by Legobot, on behalf of Ealdgyth -- Ealdgyth (talk) 14:42, 29 January 2020 (UTC)