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Disambiguating tool list and expert support
Thank you for furthering the discussion wt:DPL, which seems important.

Could you possibly please respond there to my question about AWB: "*Does AWB allow for content-area focused disambiguation, e.g. for a person to work only on pages that have outbound dablinks and are within one content area? Content area defined by their being within a parent category like Category:Animals or their Talk pages showing a specific Wikiproject. AWB is very powerful and I am wondering if it supports something like this."

The discussion moved on from there, but I am still wondering. I haven't used AWB recently, but I know from past experience that it will help you advance through a mainspace category. a) Can it look for the combo of disambiguation needed + within a certain wikiproject? b) Can it look through a list of specified pages, e.g. a flat file created from a wp:catscan3 search? c) how are you using AWB in working on the Monthly list: are you feeding it a list of the 1000 pages...what do you do so that I could try doing it too, for example. Like for updating the "Guide" with instructions about how to use AWB.

(BTW, I realize my wp:catscan3 search was not finding everthing Dispenser's once-a-month Wikiproject-specific points report does...i will ask him about that and hope to improve the catscan3 search specification. It would add value if AWB could do this on demand, and allow further/different customization of different searches run directly in AWB or run in catscan3 and passed over to AWB by a list.)

I want to pursue this angle because I want to continue to try to invite experts of different kinds into disambiguation. Both experts at the level of Wikiprojects OR experts at their own defined, narrower areas of interest. I think this is how to address the thorny, difficult, old dablinks. And to involve more editors in shooting down the incoming new dablinks. Anyhow it would be great if you could insert response(s) in that discussion there or communicate otherwise about what AWB can do. Cheers, -- do ncr  am  01:21, 4 October 2015 (UTC)
 * AWB is really best where a pattern can be identified and repeated many times over. For example, I have a script that changes links setups like "English language" to "English language" . bd2412  T 02:35, 4 October 2015 (UTC)

Restoring article
Hi BD2412, since my request doesn't seem to be honoured, could you restore this article please? I'm not going to wait forever. It needs to be restored and renamed to Carlos Diaz (American footballer). The article is linked from multiple articles and was needed for disambiguation. --Midas02 (talk) 18:13, 4 October 2015 (UTC)
 * Done, cheers! You may want to see if the article can be improved, to avoid future challenges. bd2412  T 19:23, 4 October 2015 (UTC)

Steve Jobs DAB question
Hi BD2412, I realize you are away - this isn't a pressing issue, just one that the DAB team will probably have to deal with down the road. I have worked with User:Erik on an aspect of it, as Erik is a long time leader in the organization of film articles. I can best explain the issue by beginning with the biography page, Steve Jobs. If you begin there, you will see the hat note leading to this page: Steve Jobs (disambiguation). The problem lies in the number of books and films that use "Steve Jobs" in the title (often with a subtitle). The current examples are listed on the DAB page. Erik and I worked to make a separate film index which is in the "See Also" section: Steve Jobs (film). You will see on this page a link to a list of artistic depictions which lists even more books: List of artistic depictions of Steve Jobs. It is a bit of a maze as you can see, but workable. I feel that the film index page is comprehensive - I am just wondering about the Steve Jobs (disambiguation) page and the list. Perhaps this is a bit clunky - or perhaps it is fine as is. I just thought it might be useful to get feedback from you. I am on and off the WP but if you alert me when you return, I will see it.-Classicfilms (talk) 17:00, 12 October 2015 (UTC)
 * I should note that editors are adding Steve Jobs film titles to the DAB page which is a repetition of the film index. -Classicfilms (talk) 17:05, 12 October 2015 (UTC)
 * Hi BD2412 - I wanted to let you know I'll be checking in periodically today if you have any thoughts on this topic. I've also been in touch with and he is also interested in discussing the organization of these pages with you if you have feedback. Thanks -Classicfilms (talk) 16:12, 15 October 2015 (UTC)
 * I have not thought about it. I don't see the benefit to having a Steve Jobs (film) page separate from List of artistic depictions of Steve Jobs. bd2412  T 17:58, 15 October 2015 (UTC)
 * That's fair. It started with the fact that Steve Jobs (disambiguation) had been created as a hat note for Steve Jobs. Then there was confusion between the Steve Jobs film that is now coming out and the documentary released last month with a similar title - as well as the Jobs film in 2013. So the film index was created to make a distinction between them - but now there is repetition on the DAB page for Steve Jobs. Perhaps I can get to talk about the logic of it. I do agree, it seems like we have a number of lists out there. -Classicfilms (talk) 19:21, 15 October 2015 (UTC)
 * , I followed Set index articles in creating Steve Jobs (film) because there is the likelihood of confusion between films with the primary title of Steve Jobs (which includes Jobs as well). The SIA solely belongs in hatnotes per WP:SIMILAR. Instead of identifying all the similarly-named films in the hatnote, we give readers access to the set index article listing them. We would not be able to replace this link with List of artistic depictions of Steve Jobs because that would be WP:RELATED and not applicable for hatnotes. I think the redundancy is acceptable here; the set index article is more of a way station for readers to get their bearings rather than to explore all works related to Steve Jobs. Maybe the list article could instead be linked to in "See also" sections across these works' articles? Erik (talk &#124; contrib) (ping me) 19:28, 15 October 2015 (UTC)
 * Why not a hatnote that says: For films titled "Steve Jobs", see List of artistic depictions of Steve Jobs? bd2412  T 19:30, 15 October 2015 (UTC)
 * I find that it complicates the matter further. I see how it is a juxtaposition of WP:SIMILAR and WP:RELATED, but the primary goal of the hatnote is to get readers to the right film article. Arriving at List of artistic depictions of Steve Jobs, there is a lot of irrelevant results to sift through. It complicates the matter of navigation when we just want a landing point to lend guidance to potentially-confused readers, not to introduce them to new topics (which would be only incidental). Do you want to post about this matter at a noticeboard or community forum? I have not worked much with set index articles, so I'm happy to get a sense of what the collective consensus is. Erik (talk &#124; contrib) (ping me) 19:39, 15 October 2015 (UTC)
 * Then see List of artistic depictions of Steve Jobs. bd2412  T 19:44, 15 October 2015 (UTC)

I think is right, the list article is cluttered and as I made it, I take responsibility for it. I'm a bit swamped in real life but perhaps in a week or two I could declutter - and Erik, feel free to take off materials you see as irrelevant. That being said, I also felt that the film index article was a good idea since that is primarily where the confusion lies, which is why I supported the idea. I contacted you BD2412 since you specialize in DAB pages and given the fact that films are perpetually being added to the Steve Jobs (disambiguation), I was thinking that there may be a future problem. Another possible solution would be to eliminate the Steve Jobs (disambiguation) page altogether, replace it with the list which I could de-clutter and then link to the film index. And yes, I think putting the matter out to the community is a good idea. The Steve Jobs film opens nation wide today and will be in the news for awhile which will bring more traffic. I don't have a particular method that I favor - I'd just like to stream line all of the pages and am open to suggestions. I'm off for the rest of today but will check in tomorrow. Thanks for your help - Classicfilms (talk) 15:34, 16 October 2015 (UTC)
 * I started a discussion at Talk:Steve Jobs (film) and have notified the relevant talk pages. Erik (talk &#124; contrib) (ping me) 15:56, 16 October 2015 (UTC)
 * Thanks and thanks BD2412 for your feedback.-Classicfilms (talk) 03:28, 17 October 2015 (UTC)

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 * Thanks for the heads up! bd2412  T 17:46, 16 October 2015 (UTC)
 * You're welcome. --Rubbish computer (HALP!: I dropped the bass?) 00:57, 17 October 2015 (UTC)

Global edit counter and another problem
What do I type on meta:User:Rubbish computer/EditCounterGlobalOptIn.js to opt in to this? I have also apparently made 1 edit on dewiki, which I do not recall. Thanks, --Rubbish computer (HALP!: I dropped the bass?) 12:25, 17 October 2015 (UTC)
 * How do I drop out of Visualeditor globally? Thanks, --Rubbish computer (HALP!: I dropped the bass?) 12:27, 17 October 2015 (UTC)
 * I'm afraid I don't know the answer to either of those questions offhand. bd2412  T 13:03, 17 October 2015 (UTC)
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 * Thanks! bd2412  T 17:23, 17 October 2015 (UTC)
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use of the word "noted"
I notice you use this term a lot, at least in the article end of history. 109.225.220.173 (talk) 22:46, 17 October 2015 (UTC)
 * It's a good, encyclopedic way of saying that someone else recorded an observation of something. bd2412  T 00:03, 18 October 2015 (UTC)

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Brent Dickson
Is Draft:Brent Dickson the same as Brent Dickson? If so, would you list it for CSD deletion? -- Ricky81682 (talk) 21:58, 19 October 2015 (UTC)
 * Taken care of. Cheers! bd2412  T 22:43, 19 October 2015 (UTC)

Admin task
Hello, could you delete the following redirect please: Zhang Wei (actor)? Classical case of redirecting a name to an article where the person is merely being mentioned, without said article containing any information on the person. So best to keep it as a red link. --Midas02 (talk) 04:29, 28 October 2015 (UTC)
 * ✅. Cheers! bd2412  T 11:59, 28 October 2015 (UTC)

I need some help...
I have created a page about an internet slang term. Should I place it on wikipedia or wikitionary? I placed it on wikipedia because it is a slang term and it didn't seem like something proper for wikitionary. Should I change it? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mr.Cheezy (talk • contribs) 16:43, 31 October 2015 (UTC)
 * Actually, it can be in both places, if it meets the inclusion requirements for each. Wikipedia has a list of Internet slang, for terms for which neutral third-party references can be provided, and Wiktionary has many Internet slang entries. The term needs to be attested in print at least three times over more than a year to appear in Wiktionary. bd2412  T 18:08, 31 October 2015 (UTC)

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Funny character
Impressed by this | that you inserted at Comeback. I guess it is explained at meta:Help:Template but my head was spinning for a minute. Thanks, EdJohnston (talk) 16:05, 1 November 2015 (UTC)
 * User:R'n'B is the one to be impressed with there. I learned it from him. Cheers! bd2412  T 16:11, 1 November 2015 (UTC)

Ken Whitman
Hey, long time no talk! Just wondering, might you have any sources to add to Ken Whitman? BOZ (talk) 23:09, 1 November 2015 (UTC)
 * I don't have access to any relevant sources that couldn't be found by anyone else. I just use Google/Google Books for these. bd2412  T 23:58, 1 November 2015 (UTC)
 * Gotcha. BOZ (talk) 02:09, 2 November 2015 (UTC)

Magee College
Hi, I reverted 5 deletions to the above article, and then I got the following message on my talk page:

Editing page for my employer

Hi there Denisarona - I am editing a page on behalf of my employer. It may have looked like vandalism but that is not the case. I am simply updating and correcting old, out of date content. Do I need to place comments against every edit I make?

Thanks. Paulgilpin (talk) 13:40, 2 November 2015 (UTC)Paulgilpin

I don't know the rules for editing for an employer, can you give him/her some guidelines? Many thanks Denisarona (talk) 14:06, 2 November 2015 (UTC)
 * ✅, cheers! bd2412  T 14:10, 2 November 2015 (UTC)

Nomination of Comeback (sports) for deletion
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 * Thanks for the notice. bd2412  T 20:15, 2 November 2015 (UTC)

A beer for you!

 * Thanks, glad to be of help. bd2412  T 16:09, 3 November 2015 (UTC)

USS Milwaukee (LCS-5)
please take a look at this article. it reads like a promotional piece for lockheed. i removed one piece of hyperbole ('vastly improved')before i realized that the whol;e thing was puffery. thanksToyokuni3 (talk) 16:02, 3 November 2015 (UTC)
 * I don't see anything wrong with this. If hyperbolic statements are reliably sourced to neutral sources, we're fine. bd2412  T 16:12, 3 November 2015 (UTC)

Tnx re Orion
I think i get the point, and i'll reread that guideline daily for a while until it starts to stick in my brain! I appreciate your throro ed-summary line. --Jerzy•t 03:57, 4 November 2015 (UTC)

"Case Closed" links
Hi BD2412,

I'm concerned about your recent change to many links to the page Case Closed, such that they now point to Case Closed (manga). You changed not only articles, but current and past discussions. At Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Anime and manga, there was a discussion specifically about the names of the pages, and you made links that were intended to go to disambiguation page instead point to the manga page. I also don't think it is a good idea in general to edit past discussions (you edited things like talk page archives and past AFD discussions). There isn't really any need to have those point to the current location, and they should instead archive what people actually wrote at the time. Furthermore, this whole thing started because of an undiscussed move and there is a reasonable chance that the manga article ends up back at Case Closed anyway (see the discussion at Talk:Case_Closed (manga)). Would you consider undoing the edits you made at least to talk pages and other archived discussions? Calathan (talk) 16:58, 4 November 2015 (UTC)
 * Sure. Generally it is a good idea to change past discussion links to a moved page to reflect the move, so the original intent of the comment poster is preserved. In this case, this seems unstable, so I have no problem reverting. bd2412  T 17:10, 4 November 2015 (UTC)
 * Thanks. Calathan (talk) 18:57, 4 November 2015 (UTC)

Draft:Nathaniel Tompkins
Would you consider db-authoring Draft:Nathaniel Tompkins since Nathaniel Tompkins already exists (it's the same person)? -- Ricky81682 (talk) 07:16, 6 November 2015 (UTC)
 * ✅ - I just merged them. bd2412  T 17:25, 6 November 2015 (UTC)
 * Great. I've been adding projects to all the talk page like Draft talk:Woodbury Davis so it's in law, each state and biographies. Should we add the AFC banner to each page? That has the effect of the pages being reviewed and Hauserbot notifying people once they hit the G13 limit which seems like the only time people notice draft pages to be honest. -- Ricky81682 (talk) 20:38, 6 November 2015 (UTC)
 * I don't think that is necessary. I plan, in less then thirteen months, to go through and finish any of these that no one else addresses. bd2412  T 20:42, 6 November 2015 (UTC)

Incomplete merge suggestion on temporal war
I support your merge of temporal war into time travel in fiction but you didn't create a discussion for the merge. BrightRoundCircle (talk) 10:05, 10 November 2015 (UTC)
 * Thanks. I have initiated the discussion at Talk:Time travel in fiction. bd2412  T 13:01, 10 November 2015 (UTC)

Snoek
Hi. I'm not sure I understand why you removed the R from ambiguous title tag from Snoek. Shouldn't that tag be placed on every redirect to a dab which doesn't have (disambiguation) in the title? Nick Number (talk) 15:28, 10 November 2015 (UTC)
 * Fixed. Cheers! bd2412  T 19:09, 10 November 2015 (UTC)
 * Ok, thanks. Nick Number (talk) 19:13, 10 November 2015 (UTC)

Thank You
Thank you for the nice work on the Flying Colors page. You embody what is great about Wikipedia; instead of deleting things, you edit and contribute. Thanks for restoring my faith. Notmyspacetomtheotherone (talk) 23:28, 15 November 2015 (UTC)
 * Thanks. Cheers! bd2412  T 19:23, 18 November 2015 (UTC)

IP talk pages
Given your great interest in old IP talk pages, did you know that you can undelete a number of pages at a time using Twinkle's batch undelete module? I could produce a list of a some thousand pages upon which the tool may work. 103.6.159.83 (talk) 18:33, 18 November 2015 (UTC)
 * Given the current controversy over the practice, I do not intend to undelete any more IP talk pages at this time. Cheers! bd2412  T 19:23, 18 November 2015 (UTC)
 * No problem, but see User:BD2412/sandbox6! 103.6.159.83 (talk) 19:33, 18 November 2015 (UTC)

Puzzled by italics in article title
See French destroyer L'Audacieux. I just moved this. It has italics in the displayed title for the ship name, which is correct so it's not a problem, just a puzzle. Where do those italics come from? There is no option in the move dialog to add or remove italics. Thanks, EdJohnston (talk) 20:17, 18 November 2015 (UTC)
 * I would assume that the instruction is incorporated into the infobox. bd2412  T 20:25, 18 November 2015 (UTC)

Reference errors on 20 November
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Re: edit summaries
I have a tendency to ignore a lot of messages which place too much focus on tone, especially when it almost always comes at the expense of the facts, but I'll address this issue. As you can see here, appears more interested in keeping himself busy than in improving the encyclopedia, and not terribly concerned about cleaning up the messes he's making. I haven't checked the list of editors by number of edits lately to see if Ricky is participating in that little bullshit arms race, but that's another common ill associated with frivolous AWB-assisted editing activity. Last I checked, usage of AWB constitutes an explicit obligation on the part of its user to pay attention to what you're doing and not leave messes for other editors to clean up. Evidently, such due diligence was not exercised. , over a month ago. Not only does Ricky send the message that any other editing activity DOESN'T MATTER by effectively overwriting those contributions with his, this mess has been left for someone else to fix since that time. I really didn't feel like this was my responsibility, but only did something when I finally became tired of looking at it. Considering that this an admin we're talking about, I feel I have to choice but to bypass AGF like I'm not passing go or collecting $200, and declare this a case of gross incompetence by someone who perhaps needs to rethink his purpose here. RadioKAOS / Talk to me, Billy / Transmissions 23:23, 21 November 2015 (UTC)
 * I appreciate the work you are doing; my only suggestion is that you use a less colorful adjective. The message would still read loud and clear. bd2412  T 23:27, 21 November 2015 (UTC)
 * Could someone tell me what's going on? I have no idea what I'm doing wrong and if so, I'll stop doing it. I'm not psychic; a simple message on my talk page and I would have fixed it. Was I supposed to know how WikiProject Alaska would classify the importance of its state court judges? -- Ricky81682 (talk) 23:54, 21 November 2015 (UTC)
 * Based on this diff the WP Alaska template is getting duplicated. Prodego  talk  00:02, 22 November 2015 (UTC)
 * I see. My fault then. I didn't realize I was doing that. I'll checked the other states then and fix those if there's any problems. -- Ricky81682 (talk) 00:05, 22 November 2015 (UTC)
 * That's just something I noticed though – I can't promise that this is what RadioKAOS is referring to. Prodego  talk  00:07, 22 November 2015 (UTC)
 * I hope that's it. That's totally my screw up, I didn't recognize that the Alaska drafts were already tagged and I wrote over them (technically wrote a second one on top). I'm been going state after state and missed that entirely when getting the biography and law projects tagging. -- Ricky81682 (talk) 05:24, 22 November 2015 (UTC)

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Double platinum listed at Redirects for discussion
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 * Thanks. bd2412  T 16:29, 3 December 2015 (UTC)

DAB mess
Hello, getting a bit fed up of people breaking TWODABS for no good reason. Going through a list of them ahead of next month's batch. Would you mind moving this one back where it came from? --Midas02 (talk) 03:20, 29 November 2015 (UTC)
 * Agreed, and done. bd2412  T 04:31, 29 November 2015 (UTC)
 * I'd be tempted to move this one back as well. The Nigerian city seems to far outweigh all other meanings. --Midas02 (talk) 04:57, 29 November 2015 (UTC)
 * And there's more, primary topic moved without discussion. --Midas02 (talk) 05:00, 29 November 2015 (UTC)
 * And we have a winner, another primary topic move. --Midas02 (talk) 05:05, 29 November 2015 (UTC)
 * Done, done, and done. bd2412  T 05:25, 29 November 2015 (UTC)
 * There's more. --Midas02 (talk) 07:22, 29 November 2015 (UTC)
 * Done. bd2412  T 16:09, 29 November 2015 (UTC)
 * NB Araya needed a bit more work - have added hatnote to article and reformatted dab page (plus added a couple of entries). Pam  D  09:36, 29 November 2015 (UTC)

One Beer!

 * Thanks! Glad to help any time. bd2412  T 20:54, 29 November 2015 (UTC)

How to edit a template
Hey, thanks for finishing John A. Pearce. I have a question. How do I go about editing the template - to show Judge Pearce as a current member of the Utah Supreme Court, in the box?--Thelema12 (talk) 20:25, 30 November 2015 (UTC)
 * Done. The [e] at the top left of the template is to edit. bd2412  T 21:09, 30 November 2015 (UTC)