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Admin task
Hi, you're an admin right? Could you make Mohamed Hassan a redirect to Mohammed Hassan please, it's a transliteration of the same name, and it will allow for them to be cleaned up with the rest of the variant spellings as well. --Midas02 (talk) 17:32, 2 August 2015 (UTC)
 * ✅. Cheers! bd2412  T 17:38, 2 August 2015 (UTC)

Glenn Unger
Dear Friend: Thanks for your work on Glenn Unger! Famspear (talk) 22:15, 4 August 2015 (UTC)

WP:FIXDABLINKS
Is there anything that can be done to get WP:FIXDABLINKS followed? African yesterday, Gain and Saint-Denis (this one is currently malplaced) today, with Centennial about to happen ( is in the works). It seems to me that WP:FIXDABLINKS needs to be pressed a little more firmly than it is (Russ mentioned it appropriately in the African move discussion, but that's the only time I've seen it in a while). What are your thoughts? -Niceguyedc Go Huskies! 20:15, 6 August 2015 (UTC)
 * Nothing to that effect has worked so far. I would institute a rule that the links have to be fixed before the page can be moved. bd2412  T 20:27, 6 August 2015 (UTC)
 * I will support any efforts to make that happen. -Niceguyedc Go Huskies! 20:31, 6 August 2015 (UTC)

Image source link
Is there a way to put an img src link into a WP article? PraeceptorIP (talk) 00:19, 7 August 2015 (UTC)


 * I don't know what an img src link is. Do you mean to "embed" an image from another website? [YES!] That can not be done (intentionally, as we want to avoid using images that are not in the public domain, or which can not be hosted at Wikipedia under a fair use rationale). The way to add an image is to upload it here. bd2412  T 00:21, 7 August 2015 (UTC)


 * It's not really embedding, because no gif, jpeg, png, etc. is actually included in the HTML for the linking page. There is only an instruction to the browser to reference/access the page where the gif, jpeg,... is actually uploaded. But it looks like embedding. That's the point. (This is explained in the opinion in Perfect 10 v. Google.)


 * You realize, don't you, from your recollection of the course you took in computer law, that it is not copyright infringement to deep link with an "img src=" link to an image on another web page? See the Arriba Soft and Perfect 10 cases. First, it is not infringing because no copy is made; the only copy is that on the original website. Second, it is automatic fair use, basically, if it is done transformatively to inform the reader.


 * The reason for doing it here is to demo how deep linking with an img src= link works, in an article on hyperlinking, and in particular the part re the hierarchy of risk of copyright liability for different linking techniques. I am trying to clean up an article that has broken links and fix it up ( Copyright aspects of hyperlinking and framing ). It is impossible to make a truthful demo if you use a XXX.jpg link. You cannot use a [URL title] link either; that does not work. That's why I want to use an  link. But I don't know how, and therefore I asked you as a WP expert. Thx. :-) PraeceptorIP (talk) 01:10, 7 August 2015 (UTC)
 * Wikipedia's copyright rules are not only concerned with an absence of immediate infringement, but also with downstream uses (since other people can copy Wikipedia and re-post it, even for commercial purposes). I suppose there is also an element of control involved, since the image at a target URL can be changed without any internal control or notice. bd2412  T 01:13, 7 August 2015 (UTC)
 * Is there any feasible way to accomplish the pedagogical task? PraeceptorIP (talk) 01:18, 7 August 2015 (UTC)
 * So far as I know, inhibiting such links is an intentional design choice of this project, with no means of circumvention that I've ever seen. You might ask at the technical section of the Village Pump. bd2412  T 01:26, 7 August 2015 (UTC)

Typo in AWB
You've got a small typo in your AWB script that changes the World Trade Center links. It's using a hyphen, but you really want a dash.

Actually I just discovered that it's worse than I thought. One of the new articles uses a hyphen, the other uses a dash. This should probably be fixed. Kendall-K1 (talk) 14:45, 11 August 2015 (UTC)
 * Redirects are cheap. I'm not going to bother going back to the fixes that are already done, but I'll fix it going forward. I presume they should both have dashes. bd2412  T 14:48, 11 August 2015 (UTC)
 * Sounds good to me. They both have dashes now, the bad one has been moved. Kendall-K1 (talk) 23:55, 11 August 2015 (UTC)

FAC of United States v. Kagama
I was wondering if I could impose on you to take a look at United States v. Kagama and make comments at Featured article candidates/United States v. Kagama/archive1?

I would appreciate any input that you may have. Regards, GregJackP   Boomer!   19:59, 11 August 2015 (UTC)

"IDG"?
Hi. (The following is a literal question, not criticism in the form of a rhetorical question.) I'm sure you've heard about the "redirects are not evil; don't fix them" policy. So, I'm curious: Why IDG has become evil and in need of fix this time? Is there going to be a change? Fleet Command (talk) 08:04, 13 August 2015 (UTC)
 * Actually, there was a change. It was changed into a disambiguation page by another editor, and I fixed all the incoming links. It was only at the end of that process that I determined that the change itself had been done improperly (usually these things follow a discussion), so I reverted it. bd2412  T 12:52, 13 August 2015 (UTC)

dabs & sias
Could you pls. see User talk:Plantdrew. My ping to you failed. Thanks in general for your constructive support. Do you recall we disagreed about U.S. Post Office long ago, IIRC. I wanted to keep it as a disambiguation page (it became list instead) and I had worries about consistency with related dabs (that stayed dabs). All the same stuff going on elsewhere. Also pls. consider the AFD i opened, with notice at wt:SIA. Better to focus on the important organizational problems, rather than racking points in the MDD, right? cheers, do  ncr  am  17:51, 13 August 2015 (UTC)
 * Yes, I am more concerned about organizational issues. I'm not particularly racking up MDD points at the moment anyway. bd2412  T 18:01, 13 August 2015 (UTC)

Talk:Microsoft Silverlight
Hey there, could you add your opinion to the move discussion for Microsoft Silverlight (I saw that you corrected the redirect Silverlight).–Totie (talk) 19:01, 13 August 2015 (UTC)

Plant-based diet
Hi BD2412, I am in and out on the WP these days but I would like to work with you on building at least a basic stub for Plant-based diet. However, I would appreciate it if you could come up with what you believe is a template for the article which satisfies WP:NPOV and WP:RS. Thanks, -Classicfilms (talk) 02:31, 14 August 2015 (UTC)
 * I've found and added a source that pretty directly says what is needed, and stripped the dab tag. bd2412  T 03:16, 14 August 2015 (UTC
 * Looks great BD2412! How about the source that I mentioned on the talk page which is from a well respected peer-reviewed scientific journal and discusses the work of other researchers (thus is a secondary source). It also includes a plant - based definition. Take a look:
 * http://www.thepermanentejournal.org/issues/2013/spring/5117-nutrition.html
 * -Classicfilms (talk) 03:51, 14 August 2015 (UTC)
 * The same article is listed here:

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3662288/
 * and the the main author wrote another article in 2015

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4315380/ -Classicfilms (talk) 03:55, 14 August 2015 (UTC)
 * They look fine to me. Go ahead and add them if you'd like. bd2412  T 03:56, 14 August 2015 (UTC)

✅. I simply added the refs - feel free to expand at will. Thanks for your input! -Classicfilms (talk) 04:01, 14 August 2015 (UTC)

Add the image, please?
Hi, BD! Can you add the image, please? Below is the image link. Copy the image on the site and paste it. IronCraft123456 (talk) 10:22, 14 August 2015 (UTC)

The image that I mean was the Tupolev TU-91

The image that I mean was the Tupolev TU-91. IronCraft123456 (talk) 10:24, 14 August 2015 (UTC)


 * Sorry, but I still don't know what image you mean, or where it is to be added. bd2412  T 12:19, 14 August 2015 (UTC)

RfC
Hi BD2412, there's an open RfC about what to do with the plant-based diet page, and I think you should respect that and wait until an uninvolved admin closes it. The issue is not as straightforward as you think. There are commercial interests involved here, so we ought to proceed with caution and good sources. Sarah (talk) 17:05, 15 August 2015 (UTC)
 * The article was nominated for deletion, and may well have been deleted, absent the improvements that I made. I have added good sources. Please check the sources yourself. See how they specifically describe a "plant-based diet" as a broad concept that is distinct from vegetarianism. I am frankly surprised that no one has bothered to look at the literature up to this point. bd2412  T 17:17, 15 August 2015 (UTC)


 * The page should exist in some form, and the AfD looks like a keep. But that's a separate issue from what the page should be (dab, list, article). There's an RfC on that, and we should wait until it is closed by someone uninvolved; otherwise there's no point in holding an RfC.


 * As you can see, the article is turning into something that is going to be everything and nothing. Look at the section on "modern animals."


 * There are commercial interests pushing the phrase "whole food, plant-based" like a mantra. They seem to be associated with Whole Foods Market. This summer the people behind the film Forks Over Knives (who are associated with Whole Foods Market) are launching a plant-based home delivery service. Now, maybe this is all fine and sourceable, or maybe it's commercial interests messing with the language. It would take quite a bit of time to sort it out. In the meantime, WP has a responsibility to stick with traditional terms to minimize confusion, and those terms are veganism, vegetarianism and semi-vegetarianism. We don't need a fourth article that is simply going to overlap with the other three.


 * But the main point here is that we should respect the RfC. Pinging because he opened the AfD. Sarah (talk) 17:45, 15 August 2015 (UTC)
 * It is a broad concept. Please read WP:BROADCONCEPT. What Whole Foods is doing is irrelevant if it is not what reliable sources reflect. Please read the sources. They could not be clearer. bd2412  T 17:51, 15 August 2015 (UTC)

Battle of Villmergen
Hi, can you take a look at the above page? Seems like someone handily turned a dab concept page into a dab page, rather the opposite of what is reasonable. Resulting in link chaos. --Midas02 (talk) 17:02, 17 August 2015 (UTC)
 * No, I think that's right. The battles are decades apart, so there is no grouping of "Battles of Villmergen" that could refer to them as part of a broader event. bd2412  T 17:06, 17 August 2015 (UTC)
 * Decades apart is relative. The former article described how they were related. On top of that, there's about a dozen links that were pointing to the battleS of Villmergen, which are now unhandily pointing to a dab page. --Midas02 (talk) 17:10, 17 August 2015 (UTC)
 * All things are relative. However, if a particular person is referenced as having fought in a "Battle of Villmergen", one answer will be correct and the other will be wrong. I have fixed the incoming links by splitting them to reference both battles. bd2412  T 17:27, 17 August 2015 (UTC)

Ivory-billed woodpecker

 * Hi. I noticed you restored 9 edits to Ivory-billed woodpecker and I can't figure out why. They are parallel histories, meaning that by restoring those edits you have mixed the histories of two separate pages. The history makes no sense to look at. I believe I have located the 9 revisions you restored and plan on re-deleting them, but obviously with admin actions it's better to be safe than sorry so I thought I'd run it by you first. I'm also a bit unsure why you restored when the result of the AfD was "delete and redirect". Jenks24 (talk) 20:23, 17 August 2015 (UTC)
 * Keeping the edit history visible serves a number of useful purposes. It allows readers to see what, exactly, was deleted, so they'll know that the content in question has already been determined to be unsuitable for inclusion. It also aids in investigations of vandalism or sockpuppetry involving the deleted content. In a small number of cases, of course, a non-notable topic is deleted and turned into a redirect, and then becomes notable, and having the edit history available makes it easier to construct an article based on what had previously been there. This is not the case with either of articles specified here, but if the edit history is not a copyvio, I think the transparency of the encyclopedia is better served by having it exist somewhere. With respect to, the title is a redirect, so there is no harm at all to having the edit history remain searchable for anyone who really wants to get to it. For Ivory-billed woodpecker, a disambiguation page had been created at that title, so it probably would have been better to move that edit history to another title (such as a redirect to the article) before moving the article back there. bd2412  T 21:52, 17 August 2015 (UTC)
 * OK, thanks for the response. doesn't really bother me, I'm happy to let that one go. Not so for Ivory-billed woodpecker, sorry, but maybe I didn't make my point well above. You have mixed the histories of two different pages, leading to bizarre diffs that do not accurately show how the article developed (e.g., , ). I can understand not wanting those deleted edits under the page history, but the solution is to move them elsewhere, not mix them in with the page history of an existing article. And I'm not sure what benefit at all there was to undeleting redirect edits from 2003 and 2009 that had been deleted since May 2014. You do a lot of undeletions though I see, so maybe I'm off base. I'll ping the histmerge gurus Graham87 and Anthony Appleyard to see what they think. To avoid trawling through the history, these are the 9 edits that I think were incorrectly histmerged in (1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9). It honestly doesn't bother me if they're moved to some other location or just re-deleted, but I really don't think they should be in the history as they are now. I've also just noticed you histmerged Talk:World Trade Center (disambiguation) into Talk:World Trade Center, which I also think was incorrect due to parallel histories, but I haven't had a chance to look into it closely. Apologies if this comes across as accusatory. Jenks24 (talk) 12:27, 18 August 2015 (UTC)
 * It is no problem. I'm just not a fan of people (non-admins) not being able to see history that exist. As for the WTC, we usually don't allow talk-page redirects, so the only place to preserve the histories is in the existing talk page. I did not think that there was much overlap to be concerned about in that case. bd2412  T 12:31, 18 August 2015 (UTC)
 * Yeah, that's a reasonable concern. I think in hindsight I should have moved the other history, which Anthony has now put at Ivory-billed woodpecker (version 2), elsewhere rather than just deleting it. Jenks24 (talk) 12:56, 18 August 2015 (UTC)
 * I have history-split Ivory-billed woodpecker as asked; the junk is now in Ivory-billed woodpecker (version 2). (In the message starting "Hi. I noticed you restored 9 edits", it would have been clearer if it was stated who "you" is.) Anthony Appleyard (talk) 12:49, 18 August 2015 (UTC)
 * Anthony, thank you. I had thought that as it's bd2412's talk page it was apparent I meant him, but I will endeavour to be clearer in future. Do you have an opinion on the Talk:World Trade Center (disambiguation)/Talk:World Trade Center histmerge? Jenks24 (talk) 12:56, 18 August 2015 (UTC)
 * Note, for the record, that the redirect at Talk:World Trade Center (disambiguation) technically should not exist; talk page redirects are routinely deleted in page moves, and I should have done that in this instance. If necessary, that history could be moved to a talk page archive. bd2412  T 13:19, 18 August 2015 (UTC)
 * Talk page redirects were only routinely deleted for a brief period at the end of 2007, if they were orphaned. They don't do any harm so they shouldn't be deleted these days. Graham 87 14:43, 18 August 2015 (UTC)
 * I did not know that - I've just been doing it this way for years. bd2412  T 15:18, 18 August 2015 (UTC)
 * I've split the WTC talk pages to undo that histmerge. The old dab talk page is now back at Talk:World Trade Center (disambiguation). It could either be left there or moved into an archive of the current talk page, e.g. at Talk:World Trade Center/old dab talk. Jenks24 (talk) 13:15, 19 August 2015 (UTC)

Standard Offer unblock request for Technophant
Technophant has requested an unblock under the standard offer. As one of about 60 editors who has contributed to User talk:Technophant you may have an interest in this request. Sent by user:PBS via -- MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 16:48, 18 August 2015 (UTC)

Legal immunity
I made an edit to a new article you started, Legal immunity. You may want to check the changes made by this edit on August 19, 2015. Also, there are a couple of paragraphs of small font text you put in this new article. It is not clear to me whether these are quotes and what source is being quoted; you may want to clarify. H Padleckas (talk) 08:39, 19 August 2015 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

 * Thanks! bd2412  T 16:29, 20 August 2015 (UTC)

Invitation to join the Ten Year Society
Dear ,

I'd like to extend a cordial invitation to you to join the Ten Year Society, an informal group for editors who've been participating in the Wikipedia project for ten years or more.

Best regards, Sarah (talk) 00:58, 21 August 2015 (UTC)


 * Thanks! I have joined. bd2412  T 16:30, 23 August 2015 (UTC)

Federal judges
BD, have you been taking a leading role in getting federal judge bios up and running? If so, please look at the Neil Gorsuch article. It badly needs more footnote references. PraeceptorIP (talk) 17:55, 21 August 2015 (UTC)


 * Federal judges are in kind of a triage state from my point of view. We have many more important judges in a worse state than that, but I hope to improve them all, eventually. Cheers! bd2412  T 16:31, 23 August 2015 (UTC)

advertising effectiveness
Every so often I try to knock off one of the articles in the collaboration that you're leading (your name is attached to it) at wp:DPL. It never seems to be easy; I have wondered why. Yesterday I spent a fair amount of time figuring out that the way to address one was by converting Traverse Bay dab into an article, which I did, and I did small cleanups in related articles. It was interesting to learn more about passenger pigeons, that a significant part of their extinction was from a big operation running up the coast from there, and so on, but for all the time spent it only knocked off one. :(

I just happened to notice this diff in the history of the wp:DPL page. You updated the count of articles in Category:Articles with links needing disambiguation from June 2011 from 2,395 to 2,382. Yikes, I had no idea that there were ever so many. And I would have thought that the collaboration would be marching along, clearing a month and moving on to the next approximately once per month. Another campaign I participated did that, and you could see the month-by-month advances happen, sometimes being delayed by relatively thorny problems. But this drive has stayed stuck on June 2011 since December 2013 at least, I am gathering. I have previously browsed and seen lower numbers in the corresponding July, August categories, so those should go faster. I wonder, was June 2011 the first time some bot was run, which put all dablinks created up to that date into one big category? Or was a bot run in December 2013, which arbitrarily put all older than that date into it? And how many did it start with, or how does its size compare with anything else, or how much progress has been made recently, I have wondered. Perhaps it would be good to indicate some more context in the collaboration description? I'd be an interested reader.

Anyhow, kudos for leading the campaign, and by this note I'm letting you know that your "ad" for it is working on me at least: every time I am breezing by and notice it, it tugs at me. :) cheers, -- do  ncr  am  16:23, 23 August 2015 (UTC)

1981 DC-3 accident
The Aviation Safety Network is not a Wikipedia mirror. They are a reliable source with a reputation for fact checking. Please undo your removal. Mjroots (talk) 17:21, 23 August 2015 (UTC)
 * Restored - the link was not working because there was a number missing. bd2412  T 17:26, 23 August 2015 (UTC)
 * Thanks . Mjroots (talk) 17:35, 23 August 2015 (UTC)

What complete dab?
Two years ago, you put an on the page Isometry (mathematics). The template message suggests merging with "the complete dab on this subject". However, I do not understand what that "complete dab" could be. (There is no Isometry (disambiguation), and has never been one.)

Now, two years is a long time. Do you remember your reasoning, or are you able to reconstruct it? If not, I'm inclined to remove the template. Regards, JoergenB (talk) 23:34, 23 August 2015 (UTC)
 * Disambiguation pages don't use parentheticals other than "(disambiguation)" because that would imply that the page using the parenthetical was already fully disambiguated (i.e., was the unambiguous target page). Since there is no Isometry (disambiguation), then this must become Isometry (disambiguation). Cheers! bd2412  T 23:52, 23 August 2015 (UTC)

I did not delete the information
I moved it to Far future in religion and Talk:Far future in religion, an article I created as the current article was failing WP:WEIGHT by focusing too much on religious views. I do not understand why it fails as a disambig if the information exists elsewhere.  Serendi pod ous  00:06, 24 August 2015 (UTC)
 * Disambiguation pages are for unrelated topics with identical titles, such as Mercury, which may refer to Mercury (mythology), Mercury (element), and Mercury (planet). They are not for subtopics of a larger topic. The fact that, for example, New York City in film exists does not make New York an ambiguous topic, even if appearances in film were entirely fictional. Far future is a distinct topic, a period of time that is substantially removed from the present. All of the topics referring to such a period are subtopics. They are related concepts because each is describing a particular kind of thing happening in a period of time that is substantially removed from the present, whether that thing is projected from science, religion, or the creative imagination. bd2412  T 00:16, 24 August 2015 (UTC)

Links mentioned on the dab page that don't have an article
In the case of Brian Andersen (ice hockey), I've attempted to get it deleted, as there is no article on the subject (the page redirects to the Brian Andersen (disambiguation)). With this redirect in place, the one page that links to it, 1974 NHL Amateur Draft, shows up on our lists. I can't really fix the link, as the link is correct, but as far as I can see, it should be a red link. There is no point in the redirect linking back to the disambiguation page (it's not ambiguous, as there appears to be only one Brian Andersen who got close to playing professional ice hockey).

What do you think? -Niceguyedc Go Huskies! 06:56, 24 August 2015 (UTC)
 * Fixed. Cheers! bd2412  T 12:06, 24 August 2015 (UTC)
 * I should have thought of that redirect target. Thanks! -Niceguyedc Go Huskies! 19:09, 24 August 2015 (UTC)

Hey!
What are you doing with AWB? --Neil N  talk to me 14:23, 26 August 2015 (UTC)
 * About eight years ago I went on a tear of deleting old IP talk pages (or blanking them to be deleted by a bot which used to delete such pages). Since then the consensus of the community has developed that these should not be deleted, but should instead be templated, so that the record of the IP activity remains visible in the edit history. I am now templating the pages I deleted, so that I can restore their edit history. I'm actually finished with that part, but I overshot a little and double-templated a handful, which I am cleaning up now. Cheers! bd2412  T 14:27, 26 August 2015 (UTC)
 * You can't put in an edit summary telling people what's happening? You were reported to AIV. I rejected it immediately but did a double-take looking at your contribs. --Neil N  talk to me 14:31, 26 August 2015 (UTC)
 * I am surprised any one would care, this being about the most gnomish task I can imagine. bd2412  T 14:35, 26 August 2015 (UTC)
 * Looking at it from their point of view, you were rapidly adding messages referring to a non-existent page history. --Neil N  talk to me 14:43, 26 August 2015 (UTC)
 * My intention is to also restore the underlying page histories as rapidly as possible, so it will be clear that all of these pages previously had specific warnings or other communications. However, restoration is a much more tedious process. At least, I don't see any way to do it with AWB. bd2412  T 14:58, 26 August 2015 (UTC)
 * Just in case I wasn't clear, I have zero issues with what you're doing and thank you for the grunt work. --Neil N </b> <i style="color:blue">talk to me</i> 15:03, 26 August 2015 (UTC)
 * Sorry!BD2412!I just realize this(example)[]--you are good editer.Gmaildamn (talk) 14:46, 26 August 2015 (UTC)
 * I can definitely see where the issue arose. Cheers! bd2412  T 14:58, 26 August 2015 (UTC)

Thank you

 * Thanks! Was that for the federal judiciary project, or the new state supreme courts project? bd2412  T 20:17, 27 August 2015 (UTC)
 * Yes. Newyorkbrad (talk) 20:43, 27 August 2015 (UTC)

incomplete dab advice request
I noticed that you are among the most active taggers of incompdab. I would appreciate it if you would comment on my recent edits to: Am I doing it right? —Anomalocaris (talk) 19:15, 27 August 2015 (UTC)
 * Garam Masala (disambiguation) (edited and moved from Garam Masala (film))
 * Foresight (added entry from Foresight (journal), which collapsed to redirect to Foresight)
 * Anticlea (disambiguation) (edited and moved from Anticlea (genus))
 * Yes, these are the correct resolutions. Thanks! bd2412  T 20:15, 27 August 2015 (UTC)

United States v. Washington Featured Article Candidate
United States v. Washington is undergoing evaluation for possible promotion to Featured Article at Featured article candidates/United States v. Washington/archive1. If you feel up to it, I would love for you to stop by and assist in assessing this article. GregJackP  Boomer!   17:39, 29 August 2015 (UTC)
 * I am actually just leaving the house to go to a Wikimedia meetup. I'll look when I get back. Cheers! bd2412  T 17:40, 29 August 2015 (UTC)


 * BD, I reverted your consolidation of refs. When there are named refs in an article, two things happen that cause problems with Bluebook referencing. First, a bot sees the named refs and makes other changes using ABW or something. For some reason if the refs aren't named, it doesn't do anything. Second, it makes it hard to come back later and add additional refs. I appreciate what your were doing and I am sorry to revert you on this. GregJackP   Boomer!   03:32, 30 August 2015 (UTC)
 * I can't imagine a problem actually arising from the changes I made, but I won't press the point. Cheers! bd2412  T 04:05, 30 August 2015 (UTC)
 * I feel like crap, I asked you to look at it and then reverted your edit. I really do value your advice, but if I want to add an additional ref to one spot that uses a named ref, I have to unname it, make it a string cite, and make sure that it doesn't affect other refs. The other problem, which I really don't understand well, is that one of the bots comes through and uses ABW to make a bunch of changes when there are named refs in the article. I really do value your input. GregJackP   Boomer!   04:35, 30 August 2015 (UTC)

Good meeting
Good meeting you the other day at the WMDC wiki meetup. Hope to see you at Wikiconference USA in October. -- Fuzheado &#124; Talk 02:57, 31 August 2015 (UTC)
 * Unfortunately I will not be able to make the October event, as I will be travelling over the holiday. There will be other meetups - and hopefully Wikimania next year in Italy. Cheers! bd2412  T 03:18, 31 August 2015 (UTC)

Draft articles
I'm looking through the draft articles you created but something is amiss. Draft:James Spencer (Oklahoma) is from South Dakota not Oklahoma and Draft:Thomas G. Andrews (Oklahoma) I can't confirm. Where did you get those? -- Ricky81682 (talk) 00:12, 2 September 2015 (UTC)
 * The names come off of the lists of state supreme court justices linked in the template at the top of the page. Those, in turn, are from various sources, primarily official state lists where possible, but otherwise from sources like Westlaw and Political Graveyard. I'll see what happened there. bd2412  T 01:14, 2 September 2015 (UTC)
 * Ok, I'm just trying to tag the draft talk pages as well. I'm trying to get more into Category:Draft-Class law articles and Category:Draft-Class Oklahoma articles. -- Ricky81682 (talk) 03:17, 2 September 2015 (UTC)
 * I fixed that one. There are bound to be a few mistakes when setting up 1,800 drafts, but that's why they're drafts. Cheers! bd2412  T 03:55, 2 September 2015 (UTC)

Redirects for discussion/Log/2015 September 2
Since you created one of the redirects (Catherine Smith) mentioned as an example, the above discussion may be of interest. &mdash;Roman Spinner (talk)(contribs) 06:29, 3 September 2015 (UTC)
 * Catherine Smith is not a redirect being proposed for deletion or other treatment in this discussion, so I will hold my interest for now. bd2412  T 12:13, 3 September 2015 (UTC)

, you regularly contact editors who you think have made similar edits to you when there is a discussion. Be very wary of trying to WP:CANVASS. Boleyn (talk) 07:34, 5 September 2015 (UTC)
 * Not regularly, not similar edits and not canvassing. Not even close.
 * (My apologies to BD2412 for continuing this discussion here instead of on my talk page). &mdash;Roman Spinner (talk)(contribs) 08:14, 5 September 2015 (UTC)

Bot requests
Did we want to proceed with this? &mdash; MusikAnimal  talk  04:03, 4 September 2015 (UTC)
 * Yes indeed. bd2412  T 04:15, 4 September 2015 (UTC)
 * Alright, I'll open the BFRA. I find it uncontroversial, personally. This won't cause a "you a have a new message" for all of these IPs, and we're essentially restoring what now consensus says shouldn't have been removed. &mdash; MusikAnimal  talk  04:21, 4 September 2015 (UTC)

BD2412bot
Is the BAG going to approve your bot? I think we have another candidate for action. Palestine is now a disambiguation page. I know that many links will need manual fixing, but the bot changing strings like  to   might reduce the incoming links a little (currently at 5683!). -Niceguyedc Go Huskies! 00:20, 6 September 2015 (UTC)
 * I have no idea - I think you'll need to ask them. I have heard nothing. bd2412  T 00:21, 6 September 2015 (UTC)
 * Hi there, concerning the use AWB for changing all links from "state of Palestine" to "region of Palestine", this is a very controversial edit. Here is the 3rd rule for using AWB Do not make controversial edits with it. Seek consensus for changes that could be controversial at the appropriate venue; village pump, WikiProject, etc. "Being bold" is not a justification for mass editing lacking demonstrable consensus. If challenged, the onus is on the AWB operator to demonstrate or achieve consensus for changes they wish to make on a large scale.
 * You've done this without seeking a consensus on every page? Please revert this, it's an obvious infraction of the 3rd rule.George Al-Shami (talk) 07:57, 6 September 2015 (UTC)
 * Sorry to jump in BD, but since I started this section I feel the need to respond. First, the bot hasn't made any changes (the bot isn't approved yet, so my suggestion was not acted on - I asked the Bot Approval Group for an update, but they have not responded yet). Second, the changes that BD made on his account this evening look to have changed historical articles (about 250 of them) from linking to Palestine to linking to Palestine (region) (BD can obviously correct me if I am mistaken). Before this afternoon, the region article was at Palestine.
 * Over the course of the next week, the (now) 5400 incoming links to Palestine will be changed. Based on the fact that the region article was at that title since it was created in 2004, most of the links will probably be changed to Palestine (region). However, I'm sure that BD, myself, and any other disambiguators will check the context of any link before modifying it. I'll let BD respond to you based on your revert of his edit. (Sorry again BD for jumping in) -Niceguyedc Go Huskies! 08:17, 6 September 2015 (UTC)
 * Niceguyedc is correct on all points. I have not used AWB as a bot. Disambiguation fixes are standard error repairs, and are not controversial. Since the topic of the page prior to the recent move was the content now at Palestine (region), that is presumed to be the right target unless shown otherwise. bd2412  T 14:43, 6 September 2015 (UTC)

Great to meet you, too!
And mea culpa for taking a week to say so... it was a great conversation, and I look forward to seeing you at future WMDC events! WWB (talk) 16:26, 7 September 2015 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

 * Many thanks! bd2412  T 17:42, 15 September 2015 (UTC)

Question
Hi, I noticed you recently changed a number of links on pages such as Avrohom Yaakov Friedman (first Sadigura rebbe)‎, Chaim Yehuda Leib Auerbach, Erlau (Hasidic dynasty), Mamilla Cemetery, Moshe Wallach, Nathan Adadi, and Schneller Orphanage, from Palestine to Palestine (region). On these particular pages, I was referring to the place now known as Israel, which was called "Palestine" before World War I. It would be incorrect to identify the place as the larger region of Palestine, which includes Jordan. What page should I link to instead? Thank you, Yoninah (talk) 17:29, 15 September 2015 (UTC)
 * So far as I know, we have no article restricted to the portion of "Palestine" now known as Israel before Israel came into existence. Note that up until recently, the content now at Palestine (region) was located at Palestine, so that was the target to which those links were pointing before the page move. If you can find something more appropriate among the options on the disambiguation page, let me know, but even Mandatory Palestine doesn't apply to pre-World War I circumstances. bd2412  T 17:41, 15 September 2015 (UTC)

Old IP talk pages
Task is complete! Revision history of 2480 total IP pages were restored. Let me know if everything looks right to you. Best &mdash; MusikAnimal  talk  17:53, 15 September 2015 (UTC)
 * Thanks - I'll check it out shortly. Cheers! bd2412  T 17:59, 15 September 2015 (UTC)
 * - I checked the lot, and everything appears good. I have taken care of the handful of pages with multiple deletion reports in the log. There were about a dozen, and in every case, they were pages that had been blanked and deleted as having trivial IP warning content, and then recreated with new IP warnings, and then blanked and deleted again for the same reason (which is exactly why these pages should be templated rather than deleted in the first place). Cheers! bd2412  T 19:51, 15 September 2015 (UTC)
 * Glad to hear it! Off to have the bot's admin bit removed now ;) Thanks for the fun project &mdash; MusikAnimal  talk  19:56, 15 September 2015 (UTC)
 * Hang on - before you do that, is it possible to track down other IP pages deleted under that deprecated practice? It would be great to simultaneously restore and template the lot. bd2412  T 20:00, 15 September 2015 (UTC)
 * Hmm, I might be able to do an SQL query. Let me try! &mdash; MusikAnimal  talk  20:05, 15 September 2015 (UTC)
 * There are a few thousand in the deleted user contributions log for Tawkerbot, from 2006. bd2412  T 20:07, 15 September 2015 (UTC)
 * Interesting. I was able to use the Quarry tool to grab all 6,090 talk pages deleted before 2008 . If you check the first 5 or so you'll see they should probably stay deleted, or at least be revdel'd. Not sure how to target ones that were deleted as being stale. Any ideas? &mdash; MusikAnimal  talk  01:05, 16 September 2015 (UTC)
 * Also, what are we doing with Old IP talk pages? This still implies we should/can delete talk pages &mdash; MusikAnimal  talk  01:08, 16 September 2015 (UTC)
 * Tawkerbot's blankings were mostly done with the edit summary "blanking/categorizing stale IP talk page" - I think that those can safely be restored. As for the policy page, it does not seem to have kept up with the times. This has been discussed several times that I recall, and recent consensus has consistently been to template, not delete or blank (since blanking can be confusing, since it gives no indication of why the page exists). bd2412  T 02:07, 16 September 2015 (UTC)

state Supreme Court Justices articles
Thanks for merging my Richard J. Maughan page with the draft. I have another state judge page I started before I found the WikiProject on state supreme court justices, and I guess I should probably merge Draft:Richard C. Howe with User:Thelema12/Richard C. Howe. Should I try to do that merge myself, or would you like to do it? Cheers! --Thelema12 (talk) 21:08, 15 September 2015 (UTC)
 * I'm on it! bd2412  T 21:16, 15 September 2015 (UTC)
 * It's now in mainspace, at Richard C. Howe. bd2412  T 22:44, 15 September 2015 (UTC)
 * Thanks!--Thelema12 (talk) 18:00, 16 September 2015 (UTC)

About ready to move Draft:D. Frank Wilkins to mainspace; I will attempt the move, but appreciate any loose-thread-checking you have time for.--Thelema12 (talk) 21:29, 28 September 2015 (UTC)
 * I will follow up shortly. Cheers! bd2412  T 22:01, 28 September 2015 (UTC)

Palestine
Just noticed this on my watchlist. Two points - the edit summary is misleading, as it suggests you changed the link from Palestine to Palestine (region), when as the diff shews you changed it to State of Palestine, and I don't think State of Palestine is correct in this context as Carlos seems to have been intending the whole of the Former Mandate Territory, not just those parts in the State of Palestine. DuncanHill (talk) 12:17, 16 September 2015 (UTC)
 * AWB generated the edit summary based on the change it thinks I made rather than the change actually made; in any case, I have now fixed the edit per your suggestion. Cheers! bd2412  T 13:01, 16 September 2015 (UTC)


 * Thanks :) DuncanHill (talk) 13:13, 16 September 2015 (UTC)

Honorifics in lists of politicians
Hi BD2412. Since you've edited one or more of List of current members of the British Privy Council, British Government frontbench and Official Opposition frontbench in the last six months, I'd like to invite you to a discussion about the use of honorifics in those lists. The discussion is happening here, and I look forward to a helpful and robust discussion. DBD 20:55, 18 September 2015 (UTC)

Bot
Now that your bot is approved, you should place on User:BD2412bot and redirect User talk:BD2412bot to User talk:BD2412. GeoffreyT2000 (talk) 14:03, 21 September 2015 (UTC)
 * Done. Cheers! bd2412  T 14:09, 21 September 2015 (UTC)

New project?
Would it be helpful to add new categories for SCOTUS opinions by Justices? PraeceptorIP (talk) 18:30, 21 September 2015 (UTC)
 * I think that this was something that was discussed before. I'll see if I can find the previous discussion. bd2412  T 21:13, 21 September 2015 (UTC)

INTDABLINK violation
You accuse me of intentionally linking to a disambiguation page, but my link to the disambiguation page was in the "Other uses" box at the top of the page. When you removed my edit, you **created** a link to a redirect to the exact same disambiguation page. What exactly is wrong about that? By reverting my edit, **twice**, you maintain a link to a page that does nothing but link to a page **you say** that I am linking to. What the what? --Akhenaten0 (talk) 17:14, 22 September 2015 (UTC)
 * Read WP:INTDABLINK; it specifically requires that an intentional link to a disambiguation page must be piped through a "Foo (disambiguation)" redirect, to prevent the link from showing up as an error requiring repair. I really don't need you to understandwhy it is necessary, so long as you understand that it is necessary. bd2412  T 17:18, 22 September 2015 (UTC)
 * Right, okay, sure. Should I then go and take all the stuff on Forum, which walks and talks like a disambiguation page, paste it to Forum (disambiguation), and then redirect Forum to Forum (disambiguation)? Trying to figure this out here; glad for your advice. --Akhenaten0 (talk) 17:21, 22 September 2015 (UTC)
 * No, that is not what I am saying. Here is what WP:INTDABLINK says:

Links to disambiguation pages from mainspace are typically errors. In order to find and fix those errors, disambiguators generate a wide array of reports of links needing to be checked and fixed. Because these reports can not distinguish instances where an editor has made such a link with the intent to point to the disambiguation page, the community has adopted the policy of rerouting all intentional disambiguation links in mainspace through "Foo (disambiguation)" redirects. This makes it clear that such links are intended to point to the disambiguation page.

For example:
 * In text or in a "see also" section:
 * Incorrect: There are many places named Springfield
 * Correct: There are many places named Springfield
 * In a hatnote:
 * Incorrect:
 * Correct:, or

With few exceptions, creating links to disambiguation pages is erroneous. Links should instead point to a relevant article. The purpose of a disambiguation page is to give a user who has typed an ambiguous term into the search box a list of articles that are likely to be what he or she is looking for. Disambiguation pages are not articles and so should not be tagged as orphans per the Orphan criteria.

There is no need to move the contents of Forum (and such a move would be improper without discussion, and doubly improper if done as a copy-and-paste move). Forum stays where it is, and links to Forum are piped through redirects like Forum or, as above. This is an exception to WP:NOTBROKEN. The reason we do this is so that the link does not show up as an error, leading hundreds of editors to waste time trying to figure out how to fix it. bd2412 T 17:25, 22 September 2015 (UTC)


 * Understood. Guess I'll just have to live with it, then. Double-checking the pages I've "fixed". Thanks. --Akhenaten0 (talk) 17:29, 22 September 2015 (UTC)

Copyright question
I am working on references on the list page List of mandolinists (sorted). I began using the |quote= in the references, specific quotes for each person, demonstrating their notability to remain in the list. Most so far are using a public domain book (by Philip J. Bone). Reference numbers 11 and 12 are using a book in copyright... If I have a lot of these types, will that be a copyright or other problem? I haven't seen this used much on the English Wikipedia, but a French Wikipedia article I look at does do this. Looking for feedback. Jacqke (talk) 02:10, 23 September 2015 (UTC)
 * Copyright is generally only a concern if text is being copied. There's no practical limit to the number of times a work can be cited as a reference if text is not being copied from it. bd2412  T 02:18, 23 September 2015 (UTC)
 * Here's an example that makes me nervous: The quote comes from the book. Since it is being attributed as a quote, is it acceptable?  Is it still ok when using a lot of quotes in small chunks like this? This book is a major source for a lot of mandolin-topic articles.Jacqke (talk) 02:41, 23 September 2015 (UTC)
 * Well, now we're talking about how much constitutes fair use. The better practice in these cases is to paraphrase more and quote less; also, find more sources to divide quotations between. bd2412  T 02:53, 23 September 2015 (UTC)
 * OK, I think I will have to locate more sources, because otherwise there could potentially be a ridiculous amount of words from one book on one page, unless there a way to paraphrase inside the reference citation tags. Thank you Jacqke (talk) 03:03, 23 September 2015 (UTC)

Request
As an uninvolved admin per the closure procedure, would you please close this RfC? It’s been open for eleven days, and the tally of !votes is now 6Y, 15N. There's a later RfC on the same talk page, and the fewer the open RfC's at this talk page the better. Thanks for considering it.Anythingyouwant (talk) 18:22, 26 September 2015 (UTC)
 * Done. Cheers! bd2412  T 13:29, 30 September 2015 (UTC)
 * Thanks, that brings the number of active RFC's there from 3 to 2.Anythingyouwant (talk) 13:59, 30 September 2015 (UTC)

Vandalism to Timbuctoo
Hi there I'm not entirely sure who to ask about this but you seem to have some authority on the 'Timbuctoo' page and you are the one who locked it: the page contains an irritating amount of incorrect info and I can't correct it because of the lock. I have said what the errors are on the Timbuctoo talk page so if possible could you do something about this? Thank you 82.15.217.100 (talk) 19:22, 30 September 2015 (UTC)