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Comic book character articles
I think the consensus will be on your favor but I will keep it watched. BTW I was thinking these kind of articles maybe need a list or some kind of navigation template since there are being so many lately. Also just another heads up that I am thinking Draft:MJ (Marvel Cinematic Universe) and Ned from Spider-Man movies are worthy of articles if we can improve them too. Jhenderson 7 7 7  20:29, 1 September 2020 (UTC)
 * I would have put that at Draft:Michelle Jones (Marvel Cinematic Universe), as that highlights the distinction from Mary Jane, but that's just me. BD2412  T 20:51, 1 September 2020 (UTC)


 * That’s where it was at. Someone just moved it. I think the editor who moved it put it on his reason why it was moved on the discussion page. I didn’t start the draft. I just added some. Jhenderson  7 7 7  21:23, 1 September 2020 (UTC)


 * Speaking of the same draft I mentioned. Can you check it out and see if it’s quite possibly ready? A lot more additions were added so I am about ready for it to be reviewed once I make an consistent citation style and everything. Also yes I support the title being Michelle Jones (Marvel Cinematic Universe) just like you said before.  Jhenderson  7 7 7  00:51, 4 September 2020 (UTC)
 * My own standard for having standalone articles on individual characters is that they have appeared in multiple films of other forms of media (more than two), preferably with at least one leading appearance. I personally don't think we're there yet with this one, but I wouldn't stand in the way of publication on the basis of my own preferences. BD2412  T 02:06, 4 September 2020 (UTC)


 * Agree to disagree on a supporting character role and original character. I mean there is Rachel Dawes and Joker (The Dark Knight) after all. Jhenderson  7 7 7  02:15, 4 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Whether this is an original character or just another variation on the traditional "MJ" is also open to debate. BD2412  T 02:36, 4 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Well she ain't Mary Jane Watson. Besides one time I created an one film appearance character so anything is possible. Jhenderson  7 7 7  02:42, 4 September 2020 (UTC)


 * Thanks for the copyediting. I was thinking that maybe sources like this and this in the further reading section you might could use for your advantage on expanding info on the article too. Jhenderson  7 7 7  00:18, 5 September 2020 (UTC)

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Thanks again, and happy editing! KylieTastic (talk) 21:36, 3 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Thanks, you always bring good news. BD2412  T 21:40, 3 September 2020 (UTC)
 * It may still be a long list of outstanding ones but step by step it will get done. :) KylieTastic (talk) 21:47, 3 September 2020 (UTC)
 * So far we have finished more than 800 since the list was made. That's quite a dent. BD2412  T 21:53, 3 September 2020 (UTC)

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Thanks again, and happy editing! KylieTastic (talk) 20:03, 5 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Great, thanks. BD2412  T 20:05, 5 September 2020 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

 * Thanks! Actually, I have a stack of them, mostly still in stub shape. This one just caught a bit more of my attention. BD2412  T 00:23, 6 September 2020 (UTC)


 * Oh, nice, I didn't realize you had a list going. I'll see if I can pitch in. Marquardtika (talk) 00:27, 6 September 2020 (UTC)

Draftification category status
Hey BD, thanks for you work on the maintenance categorization of draftified pages (and all your other work, of course). Quick question: where do we stand on the automatic populating of Category:Content moved from mainspace to draftspace and its monthly subcats? My own view is that if we can't the drafts automatically tagged with the template, the template and the cats should be deleted. Pinging to see if he is working on adding it to his draftification script. Let me know, and thanks, UnitedStatesian (talk) 18:09, 6 September 2020 (UTC)
 * My understanding is that the bot development process is underway. I expect that something will come through to this end, since categorization of articles moved to draft from mainspace is obviously beneficial to the project. BD2412  T 18:14, 6 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Do you know which bot developer is working on it? I would like to reach out to them directly.  UnitedStatesian (talk) 01:12, 8 September 2020 (UTC)
 * I had discussed this with User:JJMC89, archived at User talk:JJMC89/Archives/2020/August, which I may have misunderstood to mean that he was setting up the actual bot categorization routine. If not, then I will put in a separate bot request. BD2412  T 01:29, 8 September 2020 (UTC)
 * I would really like to see it added to Evad's script to reduce the set of edits that can cause issues with history merges. I didn't get to writing the bot to tag them yet, but, after finishing up other bot work today, it is next on my todo list. I have a couple of questions before I start coding.
 * Has this categorization been discussed anywhere besides our talk pages? (This is for the BRFA.)
 * Should the template be added to the top or bottom of the page? (It doesn't matter to me.)
 * If the page already has the template with a different month and gets draftified again, should another one be added?
 * Should the bot remove the template after it is moved to mainspace?
 * If so, how much time, if any, should it wait before removing the template?
 * —&thinsp;JJMC89&thinsp; (T·C) 02:02, 8 September 2020 (UTC)
 * I had brought up the initial category creation at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Articles for creation (now archived at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Articles for creation/2020 3), but not the mechanics of a monthly category. Frankly, I was unprepared for the sheer number of draftified articles that exist. As to your other questions, in my opinion the template should be at the bottom of the page, and should be removed if the article is moved to mainspace; if an article is moved from mainspace back to draft, a new template should be added. I suppose it should wait a few hours, so that a draft improperly moved to mainspace and then quickly moved back to draft will not get its clock restarted on that account, but this category structure has no direct bearing on when drafts are due to be deleted, as it is agnostic to later work done on them in draftspace. BD2412  T 02:09, 8 September 2020 (UTC)
 * and FWIW, I agree 100% with all of BD's answers above to your questions. UnitedStatesian (talk) 02:31, 9 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the input. —&thinsp;JJMC89&thinsp; (T·C) 03:50, 10 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Awesome, thanks! BD2412  T 04:04, 10 September 2020 (UTC)

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Thanks again, and happy editing! KylieTastic (talk) 18:24, 6 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Great work, again. BD2412  T 14:52, 7 September 2020 (UTC)

AFD closure
Can you further explain how how you determined a consensus was reached at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of tallest buildings in Montgomery, Alabama, specifically about convincing arguments made with regard to Wikipedia:LISTN. You appear to be editorializing and drawing conclusions that were not made. Thanks.Djflem (talk) 07:56, 7 September 2020 (UTC)
 * looking at it as an uninvolved admin, I think the close itself was correct. The arguments to delete, in particular that the height of buildings in Montgomery does not have coverage as a notable topic in its own right, were sound and represent a consensus to delete. I would probably agree with you that the second part of the close statement, invoking a "cutoff" between cities with lists and those without, was not supported by the discussion. But overall the close was correct. Cheers &mdash; Amakuru (talk) 08:45, 7 September 2020 (UTC)
 * The need for a cutoff is implicit in the discussion, as it is suggested that there is no principle differentiating the creation of this list from the creation of lists for cities with no buildings of more than a few stories. The unremarkableness of the listed content as a set was alluded to by User:Rhododendrites and User:TimothyBlue. Basically, what prevents us from have a list of the tallest buildings in a random village where the tallest building is four stories high, if there are sources for the heights of buildings in that village? It is intuitive that this is not a notable topic for a list, but no argument has been made distinguishing this hypothetical list of village building heights from the list nominated for deletion. BD2412  T 14:47, 7 September 2020 (UTC)


 * I'm sorry, but what were the convincing arguments made with regard to Wikipedia:LISTN, which you cite? The rest of the reasoning for your you closure is simply not neutral and expresses your opinion about article and articles like it. AFDs should be based on policy and not something so subjective as ones opinion of remarkableness. You seem to taken a position that says that you agreed with the subjective concept of remarkableness, which is not what a closer is supposed to do. The word cut-off is not used anywhere in the AFD, that is your interpretation of what is "alluded" to. Others did find them remarkable, which would then mean there is no consensus of what is remarkable is. That is not valid reasons to use in determining how to close this AFD. You are applying non-neutral & non-existent criteria. Therefore, what were the policy-based convincing arguments points made? There is no consensus to delete the article based on your reasoning and the closure should reflect that. Djflem (talk) 19:18, 11 September 2020 (UTC)
 * The fact that the word "cut-off" is not used in the discussion is irrelevant. The concept is described, and I used the word in summarizing the consensus. BD2412  T 19:24, 11 September 2020 (UTC)
 * What were the convincing arguments made with regard to Wikipedia:LISTN, which you cite? Djflem (talk) 04:13, 14 September 2020 (UTC)
 * As was noted in the discussion, no evidence was provided of the notability of the subject-matter of the list. Wikipedia:LISTN requires this, and states "One accepted reason why a list topic is considered notable is if it has been discussed by independent reliable sources". Absent sources describing tall buildings of Montgomery, Alabama as a set, there is no more basis for this list to be deemed notable than a List of tallest buildings in Russellville, Alabama. Is there such a source (excluding, of course, purely local coverage, and rote generations of lists of buildings from undiscriminating websites)?  BD2412  T 04:36, 14 September 2020 (UTC)

You will note that what is quoted refers specifically to lists "titled as "List of Xs" or "Xs". The policy goes on to specifically say of "List of X of Y", such List of tallest buildings in Montgomery, Alabama: There is no present consensus for how to assess the notability of more complex and cross-categorization lists (such as "Lists of X of Y") or what other criteria may justify the notability of stand-alone lists and "Lists that fulfill recognized informational, navigation, or development purposes often are kept regardless of any demonstrated notability".

In other words, List of tallest buildings in Montgomery, Alabama does not fail LIST:N and no one in the AFD demonstrated that it has. Several editors don't think it notable but those are just ILIKE OR IDONT statements, without any policy-based reasoning. There is no consensus. Therefore, the closure should be adjusted lacking a policy based argument as to why it should be deleted. I'm sorry, but a closer/administrator cannot create non-policy conditions, as you have done above with your question. Thanks Djflem (talk) 09:16, 14 September 2020 (UTC)
 * By the standard you have enunciated, would you agree that List of tallest buildings in Russellville, Alabama also "does not fail LIST:N"? BD2412  T 15:32, 14 September 2020 (UTC)


 * What does that question have to do with my request for you to clarify your closing? You're job as closer is to neutrally determine from arguments in the AFD discussion what the consensus was based on policy, not to write policy or to presume/assume there is community consensus. If you had wished to participate then you should have and not closed the AFD. You are also aware that this is the place (nor at deletion review) is not the place to rehash an AFD. As a closer/administrator you are well aware of the fact that Other stuff exists arguments are not valid, so why are you doing it here? So again, can you point to arguments made in the AFD that you used determine the outcome as you have?Djflem (talk) 17:34, 18 September 2020 (UTC)
 * This has now become completely circular. I agree that this "is not the place to rehash an AFD", so I am declining your efforts to do so. If you have further issues, please take them up at WP:ANI. BD2412  T 17:45, 18 September 2020 (UTC)


 * The rehash attempts are yours, not mine. You have simply been asked to identify the the convincing arguments based in policy you found in the AFD to close it as you did. That is the job of closer, isn't it, and a simple clarification is all that is needed. What's the problem with doing so? Djflem (talk) 08:14, 20 September 2020 (UTC)

template
BD2412, I hope you are doing well and I see you are (as usual) continuing to make more and more lawyer/judge articles, a thankless but important task! and I were working on a template but Chris accidentally made a new one (Template:Western classical music periods and eras), would you be able to delete it? Best - Aza24 (talk) 08:37, 7 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Never mind, it looks like it was deleted! Aza24 (talk) 09:05, 7 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Yes, it is deleted. Cheers! BD2412  T 14:48, 7 September 2020 (UTC)

Humble request
Sir you have been taking care of edits really well. I just have a humble request. The page " Divya Agarwal " has been redirected and protected which is not fair. She is a well known personality. I want to create a new web page with appropriate details. Since you are a administrator, please either delete or remove protection from this page. Hope you understand. Thank you Rjidindiana (talk) 11:39, 7 September 2020 (UTC)
 * This was deleted pursuant to consensus at Articles for deletion/Divya Agarwal. If you wish to create a new article on this subject, do so at Draft:Divya Agarwal, and when it is done, request review through the usual WP:AFC process. BD2412  T 14:49, 7 September 2020 (UTC)
 * I see that Draft:Divya Agarwal has also been protected against creation due to multiple recreations. In that case, the best you can do it to create a userspace draft at a title like User:Rjidindiana/Divya Agarwal, and when it is done request that User:RHaworth move it to the draftspace title for AFC review. BD2412  T 14:52, 7 September 2020 (UTC)

A7
Hi, Please check this article, it's recreation of previously deleted artile made by globally locked user, also the same article was deleted from Arabic Wikipedia so many times and from Egyptian Wikipedia in so many name format 1 & 2 and other Wikipedia sites for using fake sources and self-published sites to promote a bare notability person. HitomiAkane (talk) 01:55, 9 September 2020 (UTC)
 * As I do not speak Arabic, I am unable to read and discern the sources. BD2412  T 02:03, 9 September 2020 (UTC)

Unprotection request
Hi , I'm an WP:AFC reviewer, you deleted this article 7 months ago via AFD, According to reliable sources from google, now the notability has changed.The problem is that the article "K. Surendran (politician)" is create-protected.So I Request you please remove protection from this page.... Thanks-- Padavalam   ►  15:22, 12 September 2020 (UTC)
 * A change in notability would suggest that there are new sources since the last time the draft was declined. I am not seeing any sources coming into existence after that date. BD2412  T 16:51, 12 September 2020 (UTC)

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Thanks again, and happy editing! KylieTastic (talk) 17:41, 12 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Very nice, thanks! BD2412  T 17:47, 12 September 2020 (UTC)

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Thanks again, and happy editing! KylieTastic (talk) 15:51, 13 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Not so good this one, struggled to find detail on his career and nout much on his death. I think the SSDI record may be wrong and his death was the 15th as on Find a Grave as I found an indication of an obituary in a Wichita newspaper on the 17th Oct - but could only get a copy by paying $5 :/ Cheers KylieTastic (talk) 15:57, 13 September 2020 (UTC)
 * What's the link for the Wichita obituary? I'll see if I can get it. BD2412  T 16:05, 13 September 2020 (UTC)
 * It was this site that has a listing for "Kagey, Lloyd Monroe" 10/17/1977 "1977 WICHITA EAGLE/BEACON OBITUARIES" KylieTastic (talk) 16:31, 13 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Yep, I am not seeing a way around that. BD2412  T 00:23, 14 September 2020 (UTC)

Nomination of Aviam Soifer for deletion
A discussion is taking place as to whether the article Aviam Soifer is suitable for inclusion in Wikipedia according to Wikipedia's policies and guidelines or whether it should be deleted.

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 * I have responded. BD2412  T 04:05, 14 September 2020 (UTC)

William J. Wertz
William J. Wertz done. Cheers KylieTastic (talk) 17:19, 14 September 2020 (UTC)

Your submission at Articles for creation: Harry K. Allen has been accepted
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Thanks again, and happy editing! KylieTastic (talk) 17:39, 15 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Excellent! BD2412  T 18:59, 15 September 2020 (UTC)

Unfinished AfD nomination
Wonder if you can help since you have much AfD experience. Unfortunately I have an issue that may cause a WP:SKCRIT or procedural close at AfD. An AfD nominator has nominated an article for deletion and then did not complete the process. I messaged the editor twice and the editor does not respond or return to complete the nomination. Lightburst (talk) 23:34, 15 September 2020 (UTC)
 * ✅ BD2412  T 23:42, 15 September 2020 (UTC)

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Thanks again, and happy editing! KylieTastic (talk) 14:44, 17 September 2020 (UTC)
 * We are on a roll! BD2412  T 15:06, 17 September 2020 (UTC)
 * And I only just realised if you save clippings on newspapers.com then anyone can read them without an account! Wish I'd known that when I started :/ KylieTastic (talk) 15:35, 17 September 2020 (UTC)

Your draft article, Draft:Sour grapes


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Thank you for your submission to Wikipedia! UnitedStatesian (talk) 03:41, 18 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Resolved. Cheers! BD2412  T 17:31, 18 September 2020 (UTC)

Yay!!
See Talk:Robert_H._Boyle/GA1 - I would very much appreciate it if you would take the lead in the review. It's a good place to get your feet wet. Are you game? Atsme Talk 📧 17:18, 18 September 2020 (UTC)
 * I don't know if I'm "game", but I'm here! BD2412  T 17:30, 18 September 2020 (UTC)
 * I went ahead and told them I was game. BD2412  T 17:32, 18 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Have a look over my fixes and make any other adjustments you think are needed (or let me know if there are others I should make) before I respond to the GA comments. BD2412  T 23:16, 18 September 2020 (UTC)
 * I will tomorrow - it's Friday night and I'm about to head out the door! Here on Bonaire, our COVID masks look like this: 🤿  or this:  👺 , depending on one's mood. SMirC-chuckle.svg Atsme  Talk 📧 23:31, 18 September 2020 (UTC)


 * I think Boyle is ready but I can't tell anymore - my eyes are on strike, and my brain refuses to cross the picket line. Atsme Talk 📧 06:00, 20 September 2020 (UTC)

DYK for Thomas Holden (general)
Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 12:13, 19 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Very nice, thanks. BD2412  T 13:23, 19 September 2020 (UTC)

I think casebook and casebook method should remain separate
Some of the details in each article would be an odd tangent in the other. For example, the traditional colors of casebook covers and the Socratic method as coupled with casebooks. --Coolcaesar (talk) 03:08, 20 September 2020 (UTC)
 * True, true. It was a fleeting thought. BD2412  T 03:30, 20 September 2020 (UTC)

Your GA nomination of Eric Chappelow
Hi there, I'm pleased to inform you that I've begun reviewing the article Eric Chappelow you nominated for GA-status according to the criteria. This process may take up to 7 days. Feel free to contact me with any questions or comments you might have during this period. Message delivered by Legobot, on behalf of Peacemaker67 -- Peacemaker67 (talk) 08:22, 19 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Thanks, I have briefly responded there. BD2412  T 13:23, 19 September 2020 (UTC)

Your GA nomination of Eric Chappelow
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Your GA nomination of Eric Chappelow
The article Eric Chappelow you nominated as a good article has passed ; see Talk:Eric Chappelow for comments about the article. Well done! If the article has not already appeared on the main page as a "Did you know" item, or as a bold link under "In the News" or in the "On This Day" prose section, you can nominate it within the next seven days to appear in DYK. Bolded names with dates listed at the bottom of the "On This Day" column do not affect DYK eligibility. Message delivered by Legobot, on behalf of Peacemaker67 -- Peacemaker67 (talk) 10:22, 21 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Thanks! After fifteen years of editing Wikipedia, this is the first article that I have brought all the way through the process from creation to GA. Cheers! BD2412  T 14:40, 21 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Congrats! KylieTastic (talk) 15:37, 21 September 2020 (UTC)


 * Good job, BD2412!! Congratulations! Atsme Talk 📧 16:49, 21 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Thank you - and it looks like Mr. Boyle is also coming along well. BD2412  T 16:51, 21 September 2020 (UTC)
 * I just finished all I can do so if you've got a minute, it needs a quick proofread. Atsme Talk 📧 16:55, 21 September 2020 (UTC)
 * I do, in fact, have a minute. BD2412  T 17:08, 21 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Well done! Peacemaker67 (click to talk to me) 22:20, 21 September 2020 (UTC)
 * If it hasn’t been on DYK, you now have a window to nominate it. Peacemaker67 (click to talk to me) 00:13, 22 September 2020 (UTC)
 * I'm pretty sure I'm all out of favors at DYK. BD2412  T 18:45, 27 September 2020 (UTC)

Robert H. Boyle promoted to GA
You were co-nom and deserve the recognition, too, so add the topicon File:Symbol support vote.svg - as your 2nd GA!! Congratulations!! It's quid quo pro time! Atsme Talk 📧 14:35, 23 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Oh, if you insist. BD2412  T 14:41, 23 September 2020 (UTC)

REVDEL requested
Could I trouble you, if you see fit, to WP:REVDEL this edit by User:TheMonk85 on User talk:JonathanAWaller? I have a thick skin, and don't at all mind being called a four-letter word. If that post had been on my talk page, I would never ask for action; but it's on someone else's.

(As background, this stems from my having written John Waller (fight director). My reversion of his son's edits has attracted some opposition from him and from three WP:SPAs, which I've tried to address sympathetically. There is, of course, a world of difference between on the one hand using as source an obituary by an independent author for which you've supplied detail, and on the other adding your own otherwise-undocumented detail. I've posted links to five obituaries on the talk page of the WP article about my late father, three of which I discussed with their authors before publication; but I haven't touched the article itself since my very earliest days on WP, after I was pointed towards WP:COI.) Narky Blert (talk) 18:55, 26 September 2020 (UTC)
 * ✅ BD2412  T 19:03, 26 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Ta. Narky Blert (talk) 20:14, 26 September 2020 (UTC)

Sorry
I accidentally reverted one of your edits while reverting some section blanking. I managed to restore it, though. Wikiffeine  •‿•  11:10, 29 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Not a problem. Cheers! BD2412  T 19:40, 30 September 2020 (UTC)

Disambig pages created with "R to disambiguation page" as edit summary?
In doing WP:NPP, I see several disambiguation pages you've recently created with AWB, such as Senator McGarry, where the edit summary is. I assume AWB is misconfigured somehow (as it's not a redirect), you may want to fix it. power~enwiki ( π, ν ) 03:31, 1 October 2020 (UTC)
 * I honestly just haven't bothered, since the next step is to create the Foo (disambiguation) redirect to the created page. Since it is an issue, I suppose I will come up with a more generic edit summary that serves all of the purposes at issue, like "Setting up disambiguation pages and incoming redirects". BD2412  T 03:34, 1 October 2020 (UTC)

Your draft article, Draft:Frank McNamee (judge)


Hello, BD2412. It has been over six months since you last edited the Articles for Creation submission or Draft page you started, "Frank McNamee".

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Thank you for your submission to Wikipedia! — Nnadigoodluck 🇳🇬 09:32, 1 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Resolved. Cheers! BD2412  T 15:50, 1 October 2020 (UTC)

List of US pres. elec. results by state
You forgot to fix Georgia in the south section. Also, could you update the analytical table? 68.101.113.185 (talk) 19:58, 1 October 2020 (UTC)
 * I have fixed the Georgia links, but would leave it to the table creator to update their work. BD2412  T 20:15, 1 October 2020 (UTC)

Question
Where on Village Pump do we call an RfC? I want a broader reach than what the article TP will generate. Atsme Talk 📧 23:05, 1 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Basically, per WP:RFC, you start the discussion on the relevant article or policy talk page, with the RFC template. BD2412  T 23:17, 1 October 2020 (UTC)
 * I'm thinking maybe VP Policy and not limit it to a single article but on the practice itself. I need to think about this a bit more because there's a fine line between a "statistical list" and WP:NOTSTATS. Atsme Talk 📧 23:50, 1 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Also worth remembering: "There are three kinds of lies: lies, damned lies, and statistics". Mark Twain. BD2412  T 00:37, 2 October 2020 (UTC)

Not primarily about Draft:Theresa Greenfield
I can't find where I made the comment to which you responded that maybe the Greenfield advocates think that whether she gets her own Wikipedia article may affect enough votes to change the outcome of the election, and therefore maybe even control of the US Senate. You said something to the effect that you think that outlook overstates the value of a Wikipedia article. I agree. I can't find that exchange. However, my follow-up comment is that maybe undisclosed paid editors likewise overstate the value of a Wikipedia article for their company. How much value really is there to a company to get its own article in Wikipedia when it has complete control over what it says on its own web site? How much value really is there to Greenfield in whether she has her own article in Wikipedia when she has complete control over her own web site?

The amount of passion that is going into calling for a Greenfield article makes me think that her supporters really do think that it will decide the campaign. I agree with you that it almost certainly won't make that much difference. Neither will the article on Acme Widgets. Robert McClenon (talk) 21:16, 2 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Here it is: Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Articles for creation. BD2412  T 22:28, 2 October 2020 (UTC)

Your submission at Articles for creation: William Easton Hutchinson has been accepted
 William Easton Hutchinson, which you submitted to Articles for creation, has been created.

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Thanks again, and happy editing! KylieTastic (talk) 20:16, 3 October 2020 (UTC)
 * We are rolling along! BD2412  T 14:51, 4 October 2020 (UTC)


 * Slower now as work is taking up a lot.... but add another one off the List of justices of the Kansas Supreme Court - just done John Marshall (Kansas judge). Cheers KylieTastic (talk) 18:44, 4 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Hi, with drafts such as Draft:John Shaw Dawson you have a section of text indented that appears to be a direct copy of the source - what is the purpose of this and is this not a copyright violation? Also there are examples like Draft:Nelson Cobb that have a similar indented section, that I can't verify so not sure what the intent of this was and if that has any copyright issues. Cheers KylieTastic (talk) 13:13, 5 October 2020 (UTC)
 * These are from texts in the public domain. BD2412  T 15:34, 5 October 2020 (UTC)

Topic ban was lifted
This is to let you know that the topic ban on User:MyPreferredUsernameWasTaken has been undone by User:C.Fred following discussion at this post on the Administrators' noticeboard. Happy editing!  Heart  (talk) 18:26, 5 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Thanks, I have replied in the discussion. BD2412  T 18:49, 5 October 2020 (UTC)
 * I don't see any indication that User:C.Fred has undone the topic van. This is a WP:!VOTE to overturn, not an overturn in itself.-- P-K3 (talk) 19:22, 5 October 2020 (UTC)
 * If the topic ban is lifted, I won't lose sleep over it. Obviously, I favor a very low tolerance for shenanigans in political topics during the usual silliness of the political season. BD2412  T 21:59, 5 October 2020 (UTC)
 * I've got no dog in this fight, but I was under the impression that a DS imposed by an admin was irreversible per Arbitration Committee/Discretionary sanctions: No administrator may modify or remove a sanction placed by another administrator without:
 * the explicit prior affirmative consent of the enforcing administrator; or
 * "*prior affirmative agreement for the modification at (a) AE or (b) AN or (c) ARCA (see "Important notes" below).
 * sanctions.outofprocessAdministrators modifying sanctions out of process may, at the discretion of the committee, be desysopped.
 * Just saying. <span style="text-shadow:#F8F8FF 0.2em 0.2em 0.4em,#F4BBFF -0.2em -0.3em 0.6em,#BFFF00 0.8em 0.8em 0.6em;color:#A2006D">Atsme Talk 📧 01:00, 6 October 2020 (UTC)
 * I did expressly give the topic ban recipient the option of appealing the sanction to ANI. My judgment is as subject to review as anybody's. BD2412  T 01:03, 6 October 2020 (UTC)

Bad block
Your 31 hour block of Mr rnddude was inappropriate. Paul August &#9742; 00:47, 6 October 2020 (UTC)
 * I have since reduced it to a 1 hour block, but please note that allowing personal attacks is destructive to the very foundation of the community. What would be inappropriate would be for an administrator to allow this project to fall into disrepair due to the dissuasive effect of such conduct. BD2412  T 01:01, 6 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Yes I saw, but what you really should have done is unblocked. Of course personal attacks are very corrosive and should be discouraged. But, for obvious reasons, blocking someone for a perceived personal attack against one's self is highly inappropriate. Every administrator should know that. And your either you block or you "allow this project to fall into disrepair" is a false dichotomy, others could have handled the matter. Paul August &#9742; 01:18, 6 October 2020 (UTC)
 * There are instances where whether the conduct at issue was a personal attack is open to question. This is not one of them. Unfortunately, some administrators are hesitant to enforce even the most black-letter of policies in the most blatant of instances out of a quite reasonable fear that they will be dragged into a quagmire of recrimination. BD2412  T 02:10, 6 October 2020 (UTC)
 * I'm not disputing that this was a personal attack, rather I'm saying that it wasn't appropriate for you, as the "victim", to also be the "judge and jury". Paul August &#9742; 15:58, 6 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Well, I could have handled it better. I will take stock of my approach to these things. BD2412  T 16:17, 6 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Thanks. Paul August &#9742; 17:07, 6 October 2020 (UTC)

Error in a fix
Please avoid fixing punctuation 'errors' in URLs. One of recent changes in Pieńsk Special:Diff/978921206 has split a correct URL into --CiaPan (talk) 15:31, 6 October 2020 (UTC)
 * http://www.piensk.com.pl/p,125,historia
 * http://www.piensk.com.pl/p,125, historia
 * Thanks, I try to avoid those, but sometimes the lay of the text makes it look like that portion of the URL is suppose to be regular text. BD2412  T 15:50, 6 October 2020 (UTC)

K. Surendran
So Draft:K. Surendran (politician) has been sitting in the AfC "under review" category for two months now. I'm unclear why it was left there for so long, but based on the reviewer comments on the submission as well as the general opinion when it was taken to DRV back in March, it seems like the draft has enough reliable sources at this point to be accepted and moved to mainspace. As the admin who closed out the last AfD and salted K. Surendran (politician), could you take a look and decide if it should be unsalted and accepted or not? (Also pinging as the previous AfC reviewers/commenters.) Nathan2055talk - contribs 00:24, 12 October 2020 (UTC)
 * I think it would be best if a previously uninvolved reviewer made that call. BD2412  T 00:50, 12 October 2020 (UTC)
 * All right, that sounds good. I've forwarded the matter to RPP for someone else to take a look at. Nathan2055talk - contribs 20:46, 12 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the notice. BD2412  T 20:48, 12 October 2020 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Requests for adminship/BrownHairedGirl 2
Just curious but were you going to finish off Requests for adminship/BrownHairedGirl 2? CambridgeBayWeather, Uqaqtuq (talk), Huliva 18:48, 18 October 2020 (UTC) I think we are also awaiting the 3rd co-nomination, from TWTT. -- Brown HairedGirl  (talk) • (contribs) 19:49, 18 October 2020 (UTC)
 * So far as I know, User:BrownHairedGirl is drafting her responses to the standard questions. I have been waiting for her go-ahead (unless she's been waiting for mine, in which case I need to work on my communication skills). BD2412  T 18:53, 18 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Sorry, it's been a messy week for me offline, and I am behind on several en.wp tasks. I hope to catch up in the next few days.
 * There is, of course, WP:NODEADLINE. BD2412  T 19:52, 18 October 2020 (UTC)


 * NO worries. I was just curious and wondering if you had been waiting for Administrators' noticeboard. CambridgeBayWeather, Uqaqtuq (talk), Huliva 00:07, 19 October 2020 (UTC)

Your draft article, Draft:2 Days


Hello, BD2412. It has been over six months since you last edited the Articles for Creation submission or Draft page you started, "2 Days".

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Thank you for your submission to Wikipedia! — Nnadigoodluck  █ █ █ 00:17, 19 October 2020 (UTC)
 * I created that as a redirect, which someone else turned into an article. BD2412  T 00:27, 19 October 2020 (UTC)
 * , sorry about the notice, I guess the system always send the notice to the creator, even if the page started as a redirect. — Nnadigoodluck  █ █ █ 00:32, 19 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Yep, it's weird that way. BD2412  T 00:42, 19 October 2020 (UTC)

David Ray Griffin
You are invited to join the discussion at Talk:David Ray Griffin § Description and interests. Thank you. Roy McCoy (talk) 01:33, 20 October 2020 (UTC)
 * My only involvement with this article has been to clean up a spacing error around punctuation. I have no further interest in the subject. BD2412  T 01:42, 20 October 2020 (UTC)
 * You dodged a bullet, let me tell you. <b style="color: red;">E</b><b style="color: blue;">Eng</b> 14:16, 27 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Wow. yep. BD2412  T 14:21, 27 October 2020 (UTC)

Reliability of US website fonts for French capital accents
Hi BD surely not WP:RS for purpose? In ictu oculi (talk) 08:33, 25 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Reliable for the way a subject's name is accented? Why not? BD2412  T 14:20, 25 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Never mind, I see your explanation. I disagree, but my opinion won't change the outcome of the discussion at this point. BD2412  T 14:49, 25 October 2020 (UTC)

Your submission at Articles for creation: Frank McNamee (judge) has been accepted
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Thanks again, and happy editing!  DGG ( talk ) 02:55, 26 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Great, thanks. BD2412  T 03:00, 26 October 2020 (UTC)

Boooo!!!
Happy Halloween! BTW, have you seen this article? Scroll down to the paragraph that begins The views expressed by various Wikipedians... <span style="text-shadow:#F8F8FF 0.2em 0.2em 0.2em,#F4BBFF -0.2em -0.2em 0.2em,#BFFF00 0.4em 0.4em 0.5em;color:#A2006D"> Atsme 💬 📧 12:04, 31 October 2020 (UTC)
 * That is some interesting stuff. I gather you're aware that I have been working to restore the administrator status of the referenced ex-admin in that paragraph. Cheers (and happy Halloween)! BD2412  T 14:43, 31 October 2020 (UTC)
 * What do you think? 😊 <span style="text-shadow:#F8F8FF 0.2em 0.2em 0.2em,#F4BBFF -0.2em -0.2em 0.2em,#BFFF00 0.4em 0.4em 0.5em;color:#A2006D"> Atsme 💬 📧 20:03, 31 October 2020 (UTC)
 * As I'm rather fond of pointing out, I get accused of being a right-winger and left-winger about equally here, so I must have achieved some semblance of balance. My frank opinion is that Wikipedia is basically populist and a reflection of the zeitgeist, but only with respect to the relatively narrow universe of sociopolitical hot topics. I actually spend most of my time here either fixing disambiguation links and similar gnoming tweaks, or writing about state court judges who died half a century ago or more, so no one cares about their politics. There's a reason those are my primary activities. BD2412  T 21:02, 31 October 2020 (UTC)