User talk:GiantSnowman/2011

help
i have a question... i entered in a bunch of stats and put the links where i got them but can't figure out how to make them show up like the 1 & 2 in a reference list at the bottom rather than throughout the page? thanks! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Shawnaleabrown (talk • contribs) 20:54, 3 January 2011 (UTC)

i need help with a page i created for ian howfield. i entered in a bunch of stats and can't figure out how to get the urls to show up in a reference list at the bottom rather than throughout the page... thanks!!!

Shawnaleabrown (talk) 20:58, 3 January 2011 (UTC)

AfDs, Erpert and ANI
I'm wondering it would be best to quickly remove the ANI discussion since I already reverted the AfDs... to lessen the potential for drama... Paul Erik (talk) (contribs) 18:59, 6 January 2011 (UTC)
 * Oh, I just noticed your new comment. Fair enough; we can see if others think more should be done. Thanks, Paul Erik  (talk) (contribs) 19:02, 6 January 2011 (UTC)
 * GiantSnowman, I see that you are assuming good faith now per this, and that's fine, but I feel I still need to clarify something. It appears the reason that thread was started at all is because you think I closed the second AfD and then alerted people to the first one due to it being "mine". That was definitely not the case; as I stated, it was because both AfDs concerned articles by the same editor with the exact same problems. And very rarely have I defected one AfD to another simply because I started one of them; see here, for example (and not one user complained about that). But I'm willing to let it go if you are.  Erpert  Who is this guy? 08:08, 7 January 2011 (UTC)

Fons Pelser
May I ask why you undone my extensions to the Fon Pelser page? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Pbl1998 (talk • contribs) 23:05, 7 January 2011 (UTC)

Hi,

What's wrong with all my edits?

Thanks, pbl1998--Pbl1998 (talk) 14:28, 8 January 2011 (UTC)

Yusef Ahmed Ali
Hi, I moved back the page to Yusef Ahmed, I almost understand Arabic and Qatari commentators always call him Yusef Ahmed, he wrote Y. Ahmed on his shirt, and official Asian Cup website call him Yousef Ahmed, the arabic name isn't similar to western names, Ali isn't his surname, it's just the last part of his long name. --Mohsen1248 (talk) 02:15, 13 January 2011 (UTC)

Bri(d)gend
I deleted the cat, but was slightly surprised that you aren't an admin and couldn't do it yourself. Ever thought about running for adminship? You're a veteran who knows the place inside out, with a bajillion edits and articles created. You're one of the most active WPF people when it comes to AfD, so you're well versed on the project side of things. I'd be more than happy to nominate you. Oldelpaso (talk) 18:31, 13 January 2011 (UTC)
 * Nomination at Requests for adminship/GiantSnowman. Good luck! Oldelpaso (talk) 22:37, 13 January 2011 (UTC)
 * Its usually the nominee that adds it to WP:RFA rather than the nominator, so add it there whenever you're ready. Requests for adminship/Nominate explains it pretty exhaustively. Oldelpaso (talk) 16:51, 14 January 2011 (UTC)

RfA toolbox
You need to opt-in so that we can see your detailed editing stats here. Create the page User:GiantSnowman/EditCounterOptIn.js with any content. Thanks, The Utahraptor Talk/Contribs 17:34, 14 January 2011 (UTC)

Your RfA
Hello, GiantSnowman (by the way, I love your user name). RfA can be a very cruel and unpleasant experience, as I know from having gone through it myself. Even civil, reasonable "oppose" comments can feel like personal attacks, and for this reason I am sorry to have contributed to the opposition to your RfA. However, I was 100% sincere when I wrote that I think you are a very good contributor, but your talents are better suited to writing than to administering. I am different: the amount of new content I have written is tiny compared to your contributions, and I feel I am less useful as a writer than you are, but I hope that my admin contributions make up to some extent for my limitations in that area. (That is not to say that I am in any way ashamed of my writing contributions, only that there are much less of them than in your case.) Administration is not in any sense "better" than writing content: it is just a different contribution. Maybe you will make a good admin one day when you have learnt a bit more about the relevant issues, but even if you never become an admin your contributions are of just as much value as those of many people who do become admins. One other point: even though I am one of those who have opposed, I would like to remind you that there are substantially more "supports" than "opposes", so clearly there is a good deal of appreciation of your work. JamesBWatson (talk) 21:55, 15 January 2011 (UTC)
 * Many thanks for the message, it's much appreciated. I'll admit I have been disheartened by the opposition comments, which to seen to concentrate on just one or two (admittedly poor) answers to questions, and which ignore both my positive contributions to Wikipedia, as well as my responses to said questions. However, I am well aware that becoming an admin is a serious business, and regardless of the outcome of the RfA will definitely spend much more time learning about the relevant issues. And as you have said, there are currently more "supports" than "opposes", so other editors are able to see my net positive. Thanks again for your message and your RfA comments. Warm regards, GiantSnowman 11:43, 16 January 2011 (UTC)
 * I have to say I'm disappointed with how few of the opposes are actually based on anything in your contrib history. Its a fair while since I've nominated anyone for RFA, and I can say without doubt that in the intervening time it has become far harder to pass. Between 2006 and 2009 I nominated seven people. Six of them passed without a single oppose. Seven if you count my own RFA on top. One failed, but it was their second RFA, which tend to be a bit different (that person became an admin following a third RFA a few months later). I can say with confidence that you are in the same bracket of trustworthiness and ability as any of those others I nominated. If you had been nominated in that environment, you'd have breezed through. If the RFA crowd have hardened their attitudes over time, then frankly it is their loss, and the project's. Oldelpaso (talk) 21:54, 16 January 2011 (UTC)


 * It seems your RFA is going to snow; you only have 61% supports, and given that you already have 25 opposes, you need an additional 29 supports to even have a chance of succeeding the RFA. Hey  Mid  (contribs) 18:49, 17 January 2011 (UTC)

Your RfA (2)
Negotiating the questions at RfA is like negotiating a minefield! I just dropped by to wish you good luck with your RfA. Malcolmxl5 (talk) 00:58, 16 January 2011 (UTC)
 * Whilst there are some valid opposes, your RFA has been hit by a load of blind knee-jerk editors berating you for your honest and cautious reponse to Fastily's loaded and dreadfully couched question; people whose lack of clue is disturbing IMHO. Hold your head high. Pedro :  Chat  22:38, 17 January 2011 (UTC)
 * I echo Pedro's feelings. Salih (talk ) 19:26, 19 January 2011 (UTC)
 * I fully agree with the above editors, I would like to add that any editor in good standing with experience who wishes to go through RfA is nothing short of a legend, Its is a cruel process that has become somewhat pathetic in terms of how we treat each other. RfA's seem to be above assuming good faith, I would like to point out that most of those editors will never go through an RfA. Good luck you have my support. Zoo Pro 01:45, 20 January 2011 (UTC)

Evans
I don't think any type of "consensus" was reached at WP:CAT. I know it was listed for a fairly long time, but, as I showed you, it is the long term consensus not to include a category and its sub-category.--TM 14:23, 17 January 2011 (UTC)
 * Well, 2-1 is not consensus. I had already stated my opposition to you prior to the discussion. I don't think that the UC Irvine alumni page can seriously be considered a "non-diffusing category" and as such should not be included when a subcategory is also included per WP:DUPCAT.--TM 14:34, 17 January 2011 (UTC)
 * I am going to ask some admins with more experience with categories to intervene because it is incorrect to include both.--TM 14:42, 17 January 2011 (UTC)
 * Also, you never once made a policy-based argument for inclusion.--TM 14:42, 17 January 2011 (UTC)

Hi there

 * Firstly, my apologies for the oppose. Also, in the future, in case you need any assistance on anything, please do drop in and leave a note on my talk page. Kind regards.  Wifione    .......  Leave a message  04:41, 19 January 2011 (UTC)

Yusef Ali
I noticed that you've reverted a number of edits on the article with regards to his birth of place. However, just wanted to point that out there's an article in Arabic that states that he's born there and that there's other players born there that want to play for Qatar. If you can read and understand Arabic I'll find the article for you (don't have it on me right now). TonyStarks (talk) 13:29, 21 January 2011 (UTC)
 * Alright, here's the article. TonyStarks (talk) 13:51, 21 January 2011 (UTC)

Your RFA
Hey GiantSnowman. I sorry to tell you that your recent RFA was unsuccessful. You received considerable support from the community, however, with a final tally of (76/36/10) so you shouldn't be discouraged. Work on the concerns of the opposers and in a few months time, consider making another application. Feel free to contact me if you have any questions about this closure or the process in general. All the best, look forward to seeing you around and working with you, The Rambling Man (talk) 18:23, 21 January 2011 (UTC)
 * My condolences; as noted, it was really close. I'd also like to suggest you try a second Rfa this spring. Thanks for your service to the encyclopedia, and Best Wishes! Jusdafax  18:51, 21 January 2011 (UTC)
 * A shame, but clearly the right close. Keep up the good work - you're highly valued as many supporters (indeed opposers too) noted; Fell free to hit me up in the summer for a review if you think it would help. Pedro : Chat  19:03, 21 January 2011 (UTC)
 * I second Pedro. I've nominated a few candidates for RfAs that have ended up at almost every result possible (SNOW closures, at least one really borderline no consensus and 3 successful that got to WP:100) and I've been through two of my own, as well, so I know RfA is tough. However, I hope you won't feel too discouraged. You are, by all accounts, a great editor and a prolific writer and, given that you very rarely pop up on my watchlist, it would seem that you know how to keep out of trouble, which is desirable in an admin. Just because the community doesn't think you're ready at the minute doesn't mean that they'll never trust you. I fell flat on my face in spectacular style in my first attempt but passed my second, as did a friend of mine User:Panyd and then there's User:Ironholds (another friend of mine) who tried and failed six times but succeeded in his seventh attempt. I guess this is a bit of a long winded way of saying that my oppose was nothing personal and that, if you do want to be an administrator spend some time getting to grips with the issues raised in your RfA wile still keeping out of trouble and try again in four months or so. Just for the record, adminship isn't that exciting... HJ Mitchell  &#124;  Penny for your thoughts?   19:35, 21 January 2011 (UTC)
 * IMHO, the only thing you did wrong is perhaps you should have put a little more thought into some of your answers.  If you were judged by your deeds instead of the answers to the traps questions, you would have sailed.  --rogerd (talk) 21:51, 21 January 2011 (UTC)
 * Yes. I opposed on this occasion on the basis of your answers, not your record. I would expect to support next time, given only that you avoid putting your foot in it in the questions. And, for the record, if you look at my first RfA you can see that it was spectacularly unsuccessful, on the basis of a stupid answer I gave to one of the questions. So I know whereof I speak. --Anthony Bradbury"talk" 21:59, 21 January 2011 (UTC)
 * Hi GiantSnowman. May I add a note out here. Do go through all the points that the opposing editors made. While some may, you might perceive, have given reasons not pertinent, most of the reasons are quite logical. One particular issue I may point out for your consideration - and that is the articles you've created. Do kindly go through all the articles you've created and if you believe they can be improved, do that. Having said that, I should mention that I'm sure the next time you run for RfA, in spring perhaps as HJ mentions, you might get support from even those who have opposed you this time, editors like 28bytes included (who has brought forward very logical issues). Do drop in for any assistance in the future. Kind regards.  Wifione    .......  Leave a message  05:02, 22 January 2011 (UTC)
 * Wifione is correct, I'm absolutely open to supporting you in a future RfA. You've done a lot of great work here and that's widely recognized, even among the opposers. One suggestion I can add: go through the archives of the successful and unsuccessful RfAs and try to get a feel for what questions pop up frequently. RfA is notorious for "trick" questions, but if you've done your homework and know what to expect, you're less likely to run into one that trips you up, and the RfA participants will be more apt to focus on your concrete contributions instead of hypotheticals. I hope this helps. Best, 28bytes (talk) 05:54, 22 January 2011 (UTC)

I just wanted to add my comments. I too was disapointed with the focus on the answers by the oppose crowd. I have to agree though that your responses did show a lack of being secure in policy - and least in expressing it. Personally - being an admin for a number of years I still would need to check before acting especially as policy, guidelines and accepted practise do change over time, and my involvement with the project has been minimal for quite some time. On the other hand your actions show exactly what I am looking for in an admin. Treading carefully with the best of the project in mind. I wish you all the best for the future - hoping to be around when you decide to try again. Agathoclea (talk) 14:22, 23 January 2011 (UTC)


 * Me too. I went through three RfAs and even my successful one was contentious for all sorts of reasons. You didn't fail by much, all things considered, and the support you got was very broad (me and DGG very rarely agree on RfA candidates). Stick at it and don't worry too much about trying again: at some point you'll feel the call and I don't have any doubt you'll pass next time. Chris Cunningham (user:thumperward: not at work) - talk 23:02, 23 January 2011 (UTC)

Rollback
Hello, per your request, I've granted you Rollback rights! Just remember:
 * Rollback gives you access to certain scripts, including Huggle and Igloo, some of which can be very powerful, so exercise caution
 * Rollback is only for blatant vandalism
 * Having Rollback rights does not give you any special status or authority
 * Misuse of Rollback can lead to its removal by any administrator
 * Please read Help:Reverting and Rollback feature to get to know the workings of the feature
 * You can test Rollback at New admin school/Rollback
 * You may wish to display the User wikipedia/rollback userbox and/or the Rollback top icon on your user page
 * If you have any questions, please do let me know.

HJ Mitchell &#124;  Penny for your thoughts?   19:36, 21 January 2011 (UTC)

New articles
Hello. When you create a new football article, please would you list it at WikiProject Football/New articles. Also, when you add the WikiProject Biography and WikiProject Football templates to the talk page, please would you fill the basic parameters in, rather than leaving them blank. Thanks, Struway2 (talk) 15:39, 23 January 2011 (UTC)

I see
I feel that every edit was constructive. Someone65 also previously had an argument with me regarding the Template talk:Honoured women in Islam, but if you visit the talk page for the template you will see that his argument was not accepted, as ALL of the figures are referenced in Islam. Before any reversions take place, I feel we should ask other editors too. I am just saying that we should have a discussion and I can find him the exact verses where each figure is mentioned in the Qur'an.--Imadjafar (talk) 13:27, 28 January 2011 (UTC)

Confessions
Hi there SNOWY, VASCO here,

of course, i was a little over the top in the last discussion at WP:FOOTY, of course no one (well at least the vast majority) is out to annoy me and ruin my work, and i feel most of the well intended users are much more flexible than myself when it comes to having one's edits altered, i 100% admit to that.

However, i guess i will never understand when some users fail to reply to my messages when i am being polite (and i don't mean writing to them ONCE, i mean writing 3, 4, 5 messages and having to "enjoy the silence", much more "interesting" when i see they answer to others). I am also growing ever so frustrated with the vandals who have nothing better to do than do "what they do best", and sometimes get my ideas mixed :(

All in all, i guess i overreacted a lot. Please accept my apologies if you were offended by my remarks. Kind regards, from Portugal - --Vasco Amaral (talk) 22:55, 31 January 2011 (UTC)

Interesting
Hi there o "giant one", VASCO here,

we might want to keep a close attention on this Spanish user, Niquinio, writes ZERO summaries and operates solely on soccer. In Juande's article, you can clearly see how all external links say his birthplace was X, this user corrected it to Y, and it turns out he was correct (i since retrieved a REF that attests to that).

Have a look at his reaction after my message to him (please see here http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Niquinio), like i committed a crime or told "the world's greatest joke". I already re-replied. Also, see what i mean with my previous tirade in WP:FOOTY? One guy (pretty much) insults me and, once i try to get some explanations, get no answer whatsoever.

Just in case you want to keep a close eye on this user (i most certainly will!), kind regards - --Vasco Amaral (talk) 03:44, 2 February 2011 (UTC)


 * (Apparently) no worries mate, he has replied (so have i accepting his apologies), he is a newbie who really does not "know his way around" WP all that well still. He is in no way a vandal, and seems poised to be a useful contributor in Spanish football. Again (it seems :, i was too picky and hasty. Attentively - --Vasco Amaral (talk) 14:25, 2 February 2011 (UTC)

Categories
Incredible! Snowy my friend, it's the "work" of ZOMBIE433, i thought he was not welcome, i guess he is. He also did it in the following fashion: the cat did not display and, as ALWAYS, it's thrown randomly into the other categories.

OK, he wins... - --Vasco Amaral (talk) 21:59, 2 February 2011 (UTC)


 * And what about SD Sanjoanense players and SD Sanjoanense managers? Can i remove those? Also ZOMBIE... - --Vasco Amaral (talk) 22:01, 2 February 2011 (UTC)


 * Regarding your last question, i agree with you partially. However, he does not talk to people, he removes messages from his talkpage, he has removed REFS (i spoke about that at last WP:FOOTY entry, about this very last IP), etc, etc. Clearly does more bad than good i reckon - --Vasco Amaral (talk) 22:03, 2 February 2011 (UTC)


 * Still left some, because whenever i step into an article, it's pretty much for sure i will try to clean it up if needs be. Is there anyway to remove the cats mentioned above, "UD Oliveirense players" and "CD Trofense managers" (two more Zombie offsprings!) without having to do it manually? It would be highly appreciated. Check you later - --Vasco Amaral (talk) 01:12, 3 February 2011 (UTC)

Eric Fright
Hi. Can you be more specific regarding sources required etc. As stated much of the material can only be verified from material in a private collection which is not in the public domain but could be examined. I will correct the formatting of references having read the guidelines more thoroughly! Rodeth (talk) 17:19, 4 February 2011 (UTC)

Dave Syers
Thanks for your note re Dave Syers. My own records say 10 August was the date and the BBC Sport piece (Reference number 14 of the article) quotes the manager saying on Friday 13 August that Syers signed on the Tuesday. I make that 10 August, which is why I said I made the change as per the verification. Mind you, I'd love to know how he signed with Guiseley and then trialled with Bradford a matter of days later. LenF54 (talk) 18:07, 15 February 2011 (UTC)

Baldvinsson
Hmm disruptive editing, read the rules man. I've got full rights to remove unsourced information. And this wasn't directly sourced. Besides it was added by the biggest wikipedia vandal Zombie433. By the way U-17 was wrong.--Oleola (talk) 16:22, 19 February 2011 (UTC)

Gonzalo Cabrera AfD
Hi, the admin on this AfD has asked that those who voted revisit the discussion. Thanks Stu.W UK (talk) 05:16, 20 February 2011 (UTC)

File:FRE-GRE 2004-06-25.svg
Thank you for your concerning. I debugged. hoising (talk) 11:57, 23 February 2011 (UTC)

Thank you for supporting the Project
Thank you for supporting the Project! Tentatively entitled Homelessness because that's what most people think of when concerned with Unhoused, Unshelter Persons and (human) Habitat issues. But is that title POV? You need not know a whole lot about the topic or wikipedia but if you know something about either you can be extra helpful. We intend to develope guidelines on how to contribute so actually it is useful to have people who are not up to speed on the technicalities. Thanks again. Brothercanyouspareadime(talk) 20:05, 24 February 2011 (UTC)

Thanks
fir the assist re unblock process. :) - Simon Dodd { U·T·C·WP:LAW } 01:58, 26 February 2011 (UTC)

Hong Kong people = Hongkongers
I want to tell you that "Hong Konger" is not a common form in Hong Kong media and public, and we usually use "Hongkonger". hoising (talk) 11:49, 9 March 2011 (UTC)

Reporting to the commander
Hi there Capt.Snowman, private AMARAL here (you can't see it in the letter but i'm actually saluting you :)),

Regarding your message at WP:FOOTY regarding User:Zombie433, i have already written "one or two things" at ANI, also adding a report on another (similar) nuisance. I apologize to all concerned if i did not do it in the proper field.

Regards, have a great weekend (am i dismissed?), from Portugal - --Vasco Amaral (talk) 15:00, 11 March 2011 (UTC)

Fabien Lemoine
Why this infobox is better? TheBiggestFootballFan (talk) 13:55, 12 March 2011 (UTC)
 * So should I use that version? TheBiggestFootballFan (talk) 14:00, 12 March 2011 (UTC)

Briefing
Hi there SNOWY, VASCO here,

regarding this discussion (see here http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Football#Speaking_of_Zombie.28s.29.2C_some_categorie_stuff...), i have added more inputs, please elaborate and/or enlighten me over the matter. Attentively - --Vasco Amaral (talk) 00:22, 13 March 2011 (UTC)

Reasonable doubt
Hi there SNOWMAN, VASCO here,

do you have any idea why the reports on User:Zombie433 (you did the last on ANI) get tons of inputs and opinions/suggestions (as it should!) and mine regarding this guy get none at all (i took advantage of your Zombie report and wrote a few lines on this vandal as well, and wrote some lines at WP:FOOTY - this "user" edits solely on soccer - got ZERO feedback, the friendly message i received from User:FkpCascais not counting as technical help)? I don't have any clue, but it's a bit bothering, i would like to know where am i going wrong.

Sad news is we can't seem to override these problems, Zombie has a vast array of anon IPs, this other chap is vying to beat the all-time sock record, and also has several anon IPs to work with. Sad, sad indeed...

That said, keep up the good work and best of luck with this quest. Regards from Portugal - --Vasco Amaral (talk) 19:19, 15 March 2011 (UTC)


 * Yes, i have taken this to SPI, hundreds of times, checkusers have been made, with several sleepers being dug up sometimes. That has produced zero results however, as the main result intended would be to prevent this vandal from "contributing" (have asked this question time and time again - "Is it possible to block him permanently", YES or NO, plain and simple - no one has still been able to do so :.

Kind regards - --Vasco Amaral (talk) 15:17, 16 March 2011 (UTC)

Tony Biggs
Not seeing the obvious hoax for Tony Biggs, especially since a gnews archive search backs up at least part of the article. If this is indeed a hoax, AfD would be a better venue, since you can then lay out the reasons for its hoaxitude.-- Fabrictramp |  talk to me  23:15, 17 March 2011 (UTC)

Publisher info
Just a quick note, publisher info for football club websites, doesn't need the "official website" part. Simply put "Team F.C.", e.g. your recent change to Luke Dean only required "Bradford City A.F.C." in the publisher info field. Brad78 (talk) 15:03, 19 March 2011 (UTC)
 * No problem. Hardly the biggest thing in the world really!! Brad78 (talk) 16:28, 19 March 2011 (UTC)

Service award level
 There has been a major revision of the the Service Awards: the edit requirements for the higher levels have been greatly reduced, to make them reasonably attainable. Because of this, your Service Award level has been changed, and you are now eligible for a higher level. I have taken the liberty of updating your award on your user page.

Herostratus (talk) 07:38, 21 March 2011 (UTC)

Simon Greatwich
Hi. Just wondering where you initially got his DoB? If I recall properly, various stats sites didn't have his DoB and eventually listed the same DoB that is listed here of 20 May 1989. I ask because, I found this, and if you scroll down in that article, it lists 30 September 1988 as his DoB. Coincidentally, it's also the same birth date as his older brother Chris Greatwich but obviously different year. Banana Fingers (talk) 18:13, 23 March 2011 (UTC)

Max Cream
I would appreciate if you would not incorrectly edit or change the wikipedia page of Max Cream. You can research my playing statistics on www.transfermarkt.co.uk and find that I did not score 4 league goals in 12 games for Meppen but 2 league goals for Meppen. Furthermore the other listed information is an accurate historical recount of my career thus far. Please contact maxcream@msn.com or www.facebook.com/OfficialMaxCream for any questions and thank you for showing interest in my page. If you would like links for references to any information in the page, please do not hesitate to ask. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Whatupfool909 (talk • contribs) 18:59, 26 March 2011 (UTC)

?
Why are you so agressive to me? Is this infobox stuff something personal of yours? FkpCascais (talk) 21:55, 28 March 2011 (UTC)
 * You called it nonsence and others had complained on this also before, so it isn´t complete nonsence. Anyway, you wan´t cross with them many times anyway, I´m talking about basically obscure players whose careers are only now being apearing on websites, and basically it´s their early careers info. You don´t imagine how many biographies are done with guys from one country ignoring the careers the guy had before. And there comes FKP completing what the fukin´IP didn´t wanted to do... It´s about less known players. I wan´t convert David Beckham because I heard he played in some school when kid, don´t warry... Those are mostly guys from lower leagues, so completing their careers is quite a favour! I wan´t do it if I need to make much work to do it, but I´ll do it easily by old method and convert it later. We have tousands of unconverted articles, why not one more of some obscure guy who´s career isn´t completed anyway! And I´m saying only for the many uncomplete ones... OK, nevermind, I´ll probably loose this one, and I knew it all the way. I just didn´t expected to see it called nonsence, when clerly it isn´t, mosly because a few obscure incomplete biographies want make a difference in a universe of tousands of much more important that are still unconverted... FkpCascais (talk) 22:12, 28 March 2011 (UTC)
 * Well, if by opening the first 2 websites I already find 2 clubs missing and we still have only the career since the 20s, well, I most certainly know something is missing. Listen, I´ll do things my way anyway, and while completing careers I´ll do it the way I find more easy. I only did this for clear cases where obviously a big part of the career was missing. If it takes me a few hours ar a day or two to complete the task and I haven´t converted it yet, and you find it in the meantime, and if you think it is for the best of WP, report me. My objective is to have the best articles as possible, so if I need to take a step back to go two ahead later, I will. FkpCascais (talk) 22:34, 28 March 2011 (UTC)
 * I know, that is why I said to report me. Regards, FkpCascais (talk) 22:45, 28 March 2011 (UTC)
 * All this issue was deeply missunderstood. I´m having a bad day, so just forget it, OK? Anyway, I don´t care much about risking getting blocked, if my goal is in accordance with other possible policies... But, lets close the day, OK? Nevermind... everything has been said-or nothing has been said, depending on the view. But I´m definitelly not argumentative today, so nevermind... FkpCascais (talk) 23:17, 28 March 2011 (UTC)

Player notability
Thank you for your support on this issue. I'm relatively new to taking an active role in the deletion process but I can tell you have to step on some peoples toes to maintain the integrity of the encyclopaedia. It does strike me as odd that a WikiProject is going directly against its parent WikiProject by ignoring its key policies on notability. I'm going to attempt my first multiple AfD nomination shortly so hopefully I don't screw it up! Oh, and if you haven't seen it already then I'd recommend you revisit this AfD. If a level 10 cut off point for English clubs is correct then surely it would be stated on WP:FOOTYN, but then it would be favouring one country over another wouldn't it? Confusing. Argyle 4 Life talk 23:30, 29 March 2011 (UTC)

Talkback
- BilCat (talk) 05:06, 30 March 2011 (UTC)

Confession
confessions of a Snowman? ;-)-- Club Oranje T 10:45, 30 March 2011 (UTC)

Greatwich DOB
I saw a tweet in Simon's twitter that says wikipedia got his birthday wrong. He also tweeted that his birthday is September 30 1988. Boyzjonz (talk) 06:04, 31 March 2011 (UTC)

James Donnelly
Hi, I was looking at the Građanski Zagreb article and noticed that you made this edit in January. I'm wondering if you are certain that this guy is the James Donnelly (footballer) and if there are any sources which specifically say so? Information about early Građanski managers is almost impossible to come by and if you did read it somewhere I'd appreciate it if you told me where. On the other hand, Donnelly's info box says he played at Thames A.F.C. 1930–1932 but the Građanski article claims a certain Donnelly coached the team 1930–1931. Cheers. '' Timbouctou 07:16, 5 April 2011 (UTC)

Response
I know Football in the United States is a dis-ambiguation page. And it can be moved to Football in the United States (disambiguation) to allow it to have one primary meaning. Having the dis-ambiguation page titled Football in the United States will let readers believe that there are 2 primary meanings. Georgia guy (talk) 18:28, 5 April 2011 (UTC)

Gunnersaurus Rex
Gunnersaurus in one of the most well-known football mascots, plenty of sources, if you ask any arsenal fan theyll tell you about Gunnersaurus! I advise that you take it to an AfD, and if that goes well, change your mind. Wummer71 (talk) 17:01, 6 April 2011 (UTC)

Sorry!
No offense intended - stupid edit conflict...--<b style="color:Navy;">Jezebel's</b> Ponyo <sup style="color:Navy;">bons mots 18:21, 6 April 2011 (UTC)

Deletion review/Log/2011 April 6
FYI. postdlf (talk) 14:01, 8 April 2011 (UTC)

Orphan tags
Hi, I´ve noteced you´ve been adding orphan tags to some players. The problem is that most of them were left "orphaned" since we made the purge on "Natable players" lists on club articles. Any ideas on how to solve it? FkpCascais (talk) 03:34, 14 April 2011 (UTC)
 * Yes, I already created 2 lists of that kind (Partizan and Red Star), and I´ll see which ones can be added somewhere in the articles text. How many links you think a footy bio should at least have so the tag can be removed? FkpCascais (talk) 18:57, 14 April 2011 (UTC)
 * Oh, I didn´t knew the tag was removed automatically. Great. Thanks! FkpCascais (talk) 19:11, 14 April 2011 (UTC)

Invitation to take part in a pilot study
I am a Wikipedian, who is studying the phenomenon on Wikipedia. I need your help to conduct my research on about understanding "Motivation of Wikipedia contributors." I would like to invite you to a short survey. Please give me your valuable time, which estimates only '''5 minutes’’’. cooldenny (talk) 17:49, 14 April 2011 (UTC)
 * I posted the results of the pilot survey you took part in here. cooldenny 16:48, 17 April 2011 (UTC)

Category:Football biography using deprecated parameters
There must be some users still using the old template when creating articles because the number keeps going up. I've updated quite a few since you made me aware of the list and saw it dip below 49,600 yesterday, but now its gone above it again. If there is a bot that can be used to change them all automatically then we should do that, otherwise we'll be at it for the next 50 years! The list has certainly made me aware that there are a lot of articles on non-notable Albanian players. <font style="color:#014421;">Argyle 4 Life <font style="color:#4863A0;">talk 10:46, 15 April 2011 (UTC)
 * That sounds reasonable. I don't know anything about bots so I won't be much use there, but I'll carry on with 1 and 3. <font style="color:#014421;">Argyle 4 Life <font style="color:#4863A0;">talk 15:39, 15 April 2011 (UTC)
 * Good stuff. I have no idea how they plan to go about getting it done, but hopefully it works. <font style="color:#014421;">Argyle 4 Life <font style="color:#4863A0;">talk 00:46, 18 April 2011 (UTC)

Marco Paixão
Hi there SNOWY, VASCO here,

knowing it was you, a user/person which i greatly respect/consider, i have to drop this note mate...I will not revert your approach again, even tough i don't understand why are those sources (most of them only consisting of stats, whereas refs are much more complete, newspaper articles, official website releases, etc) not allowed to stay as links, in Paixão's case, also, the references department was pretty well covered methinks...

User:Zombie433 also had that custom, ALL the external links were summarily inserted in the references section. Don't fret, i will not revert it again (Zombie i will, for sure!), but just thought i'd give you a piece of my mind regarding these "techniques".

Kind regards from Portugal - --Vasco Amaral (talk) 16:33, 16 April 2011 (UTC)

What the hey?
Thanks a million for your message regarding "the above" and your WP:FOOTY remark, my friend,

regarding the latter (see here http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Football#More_football_vandals_than_User:Zombie433.2C_you_know...), what on earth did i do to deserve that comeback from User:Kevin McE? I have told people i am not at all proficient in WP guidelines, i prefer the "community outreach".

I am fully aware of the fact that i am not posting my queries in the correct fields, but i have longsince (almost five years here now) learned that vandals can be blocked, that does not stop them the least. I only wanted to help mate, and have told Kevin just that. Regards - --Vasco Amaral (talk) 19:15, 17 April 2011 (UTC)


 * Again, o giant one, you are fair, wise and "to the point", always a pleasure. Warm regards, until some other time! - --Vasco Amaral (talk) 19:39, 17 April 2011 (UTC)

Task
Hi I can perform the task you requested but it would be good to link to concensus see this page: Wikipedia:Bots/Requests_for_approval/Petan-Bot_task7 Petrb (talk) 20:33, 19 April 2011 (UTC)

Re
See this I told you why it's better to change it. Petrb (talk) 00:12, 22 April 2011 (UTC)

Daniel Mudau
Yeah, great argument btw. It's on nft.com so it has to be correct, right? Please. It is inaccurate/false, period. Again, the 00/01 PSL consisted of 34 games but the aforementioned player strangely made 41 appearances. That should ring a bell. Thuglife99 (talk) 00:03, 24 April 2011 (UTC)
 * Provide a source for what? That these numbers are false? I call this common sense. Thuglife99 (talk)
 * Again, a source for what? Thuglife99 (talk)

My recent edits
Left you a response at User_talk:Zanoni - I do think it would be worth a discussion at Wiki Project Football as most of the squad lists/ rosters are not dated for non-league sides (especially lower not league sides and as such with a very high turnover of players during a season, the lists get very quickly out of date. Zanoni (talk) 09:44, 24 April 2011 (UTC)

Bradford City
Do you support them by any chance? I've been wondering for a while. If you do then can I ask what on earth is going on there? Seeing them beaten convincingly by Torquay and Accrington is rather depressing. They should be nowhere near the Fourth Division, but I can appreciate that it happens. My first season as a supporter was our first in that division and I'm prepared for the return next season - if someone will hurry up and buy us! I don't know, I'm a big historian when it comes to football and seeing what the very top has become, coupled with many proud, old clubs struggling on and off the pitch... It's sad. <font style="color:#014421;">Argyle 4 Life <font style="color:#4863A0;">talk 22:27, 24 April 2011 (UTC)
 * I felt disgusted when I saw this. It really is sickening and like you say, if the club fights it then it'll be risking its future. Given the apathy towards the players and the league position, I'm surprised that Lloyd Saxton hasn't been given a chance yet. He was unfortunate to have been let go by us. Our situation isn't any better. This makes for grim reading. Our former directors have run us into the ground, staff haven't been paid for months and the club is only still going because of their good-will. The latest fund-raiser is for St John Ambulance, who we owe in excess of £8,000 thanks to the Malignant Seven (check out the poster on the website!) On the bright side (if we don't stay up), then we'll both have trips to Crawley to look forward to next season. I bet you're ecstatic about that, I sure am... <font style="color:#014421;">Argyle 4 Life <font style="color:#4863A0;">talk 23:45, 24 April 2011 (UTC)
 * I was surprised when I saw Pidgley was playing for you because I thought you already had three goalkeepers - a waste of resources really. Saxton will probably have to drop into non-league now, which he is better than, but hopefully that will kick-start his career. Good to see you win today. We were docked ten points in February so everyone pretty much wrote us off. Later that day, our then deputy chairman left the country to have a holiday at a 5-star hotel in Dubai. Leaving the staff, who have mortgages to pay and families to feed, to try and salvage a football club from the mess that the board created, without pay. Classy, right? We won again today and at least four of the team are carrying injuries, so with three games to go we're three points from safety with a game in hand. If we do go down then everyone involved with the club right now can hold their heads high.


 * Those responsible for bringing a club to its knees, ripping off hundreds of companies and worst of all, screwing over charitable organisations, are long gone. Their actions over the last two years have made me sick to my stomach, but during this dark time, the response from the staff, the players and the supporters has made me feel so proud of my club. If your supporters decide that enough is enough and make a stand against those who have run the club into the ground, you will have our support. Crawley seem to be the Manchester United of non-league football - buy your success and exude breath-taking arrogance while doing so. The BLP policies that prevent you from giving your opinion of your caretaker also prevent me from saying what I think of Crawley Town's manager. <font style="color:#014421;">Argyle 4 Life <font style="color:#4863A0;">talk 18:23, 25 April 2011 (UTC)

ANI
Yeah, I wasn't sure if it was canvassing or not. Didn't really think it was, but I just wanted the admins to be aware of the entire situation. BurtAlert (talk) 18:55, 30 April 2011 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the input btw. It was not a case of canvassing. That editor and I were the ones mainly involved. But having all the information out there can only help. Thanks. --AnnekeBart (talk) 23:20, 30 April 2011 (UTC)

Relegation
Thanks. We just ran out of puff in the end, but at least we had enough points to stay up if it wasn't for director incompetence and greed. I've had a scan of the league tables and it looks like we could have first ever league meetings with up to six clubs next season. Accrington Stanley and Stevenage, if they don't get promoted, Aldershot Town, Morecambe and Burton Albion for certain, and either AFC Wimbledon or Fleetwood Town, if they do get promoted. If anything it should at least be fun, visiting lots of new, compact grounds. I was getting bored of going to places like the Hawthorns, Molineux, Portman Road and Deepdale anyway... <font style="color:#014421;">Argyle 4 Life <font style="color:#4863A0;">talk 03:28, 3 May 2011 (UTC)

Arthur Brown (footballer born 1885)
Hi, I have a few queries regarding this edit you made Regards. Eldumpo (talk) 16:39, 4 May 2011 (UTC)
 * How come you changed back the format of the infobox, away from the "single line" format, which admiitedly I had changed from the original. I took that format from a number of key editors on here, and I thought there was some consensus that this form was best/easiest for the editor, although I realise it is not something that is shown in the template as it stands.
 * You've re-added his death date but there is no reference for this. I thought the entry probably came from an accurate source and hence I hid it.
 * Similarly, you removed the question marks regarding the years of his club career. The only source in the article relating to his club career is the Michael Joyce book, and this does not confirm the years he was with his clubs, only the start and end seasons that he played league football for them.


 * Thanks for response. The edit diff you showed indicates I added the year of death to parts of the article. I didn't add the date of death, which had previously been added by an IP. I'm not sure why you thought the question marks had been added in error. I will re-hide the death date and put the question marks back in. Eldumpo (talk) 18:34, 4 May 2011 (UTC)

Prodding
What do you expect if you go plastering tags over people's articles without bothering to do the research and then drill people irritating drilled messages? Given that you only care about anglo-centric football, your tagging of Al-Shorouk comes across as stalking and unnecessary, If you want an article improved, kindly ask and the response would be equally as kind. As for the football bio, given that he was involved in a major scandal, I'd be content to redirect into the club article if he fails WP:Bio. ♦ Dr. Blofeld  13:19, 8 May 2011 (UTC)

If you are going to create useless stubs on bottom league reserve footballers like Alan Burton can you at least provide a reference and indicate some sort of notability in reliable sources. At present it is a BLP violation and an experienced editor such as yourself should know this. BLPs MUST contain inline sources. You've been warned.♦ Dr. Blofeld  13:53, 8 May 2011 (UTC)
 * I'm not posting on your talkpage seeing as I'm "unwelcome" there - Alan Burton is not a BLP violation, 100% of the information is referenced. GiantSnowman 13:56, 8 May 2011 (UTC)

No, an external link is not good enough. Ask anybody who references BLPs. It must contain an inline citation, otherwise it would be tagged an an unreferenced BLP and you'd be drilled a message at a later date, trust me on that. An inline citation to soccer base should suffice. I really don't think its worth having such a short stub right now, but I understand he meets requirements because of "professional athlete" amd is likely to become more notable as his career develops. Don't you think though there is a flaw in the requirement that football clubs must be 100% professional? It means that premier league players from other countries are not even entitled to an article yet it permits small stubs on 4th division players in anglo centric countries who have a highly develop football base. To me this requirement demonstrates major bias in coverage taking advantage of the fact many poorer countries in Asia and Africa are not wealthy enough to be fully professional or have an undeveloped football base.♦ Dr. Blofeld  14:00, 8 May 2011 (UTC)
 * I've converted the EL into a reference; it doesn't make any difference whatsoever, but if it pleases you, then whatever. The guy only made his professional debut, as soon as sources come available (and I'll do some more searching ASAP) I'll obviously improve the article. As for notability requirements for footballers in general - the current guideline is WP:NFOOTBALL, and should you wish to change that, I suggest starting a discussion there. However, if memory serves me correctly, a recent attemot to change the guidline failed. Regards, GiantSnowman 14:17, 8 May 2011 (UTC)

I see. Yes, he has only played one game so obvious sources are not going to be great. I've added a bit, but I doubt until he plays a full season he'll have much coverage. That's OK for now. As for footballer notability I mostly agree, however I would make a slight change to rule which makes any player who has made a first team appearance in the top football division of any country notable. I'll suggest it perhaps.. If you create further articles like this in future though be sure to swap an external links with a inline source otherwise they'll BLP tag it later. Take care.♦ Dr. Blofeld  14:18, 8 May 2011 (UTC)
 * The only problem with saying "any top-level player is notable" means you will have articles for incredibly amateur players from countries such as Guam and San Marino! I mean, if I moved abroad and played one game in a top-level league of low quality, would I then be notable? Definitely not...regards, GiantSnowman 14:24, 8 May 2011 (UTC)

Well, a regular team player, maybe... LOL but most of the footballers from countries like Bhutan and Nepal and that are laughable, even the ones in the national team!!♦ Dr. Blofeld  14:40, 8 May 2011 (UTC)

Don't template the experienced editors
I saw your warning template on my talk page and would like to say this much, "Please try to use common sense before pressing some buttons. Also, your edits pattern shows that you have been hastily deciding on the merits/demerits of the edits. Please rectify this." Thanks. Shovon (talk) 19:50, 8 May 2011 (UTC)

May 2011
Welcome to Wikipedia. Although everyone is welcome to contribute to Wikipedia, at least one of your recent edits, such as the one you made to Musa Shannon, did not appear to be constructive and has been reverted or removed. Please use the sandbox for any test edits you would like to make, and read the welcome page to learn more about contributing constructively to this encyclopedia. Thank you. GiantSnowman 12:12, 13 May 2011 (UTC)
 * No need to welcome me because I have been on Wikipedia for more than 5 years. :D
 * Note that Musa Shannon played for Kitchee is wrong, please don't revert it again, thanks.17:12, 13 May 2011 (UTC)
 * I don't know how to prove that a thing does not exist. The source is wrong. He has rejected to join Kitchee before the season starts.--FootballHK (talk) 12:52, 14 May 2011 (UTC)
 * Local football in Hong Kong was not really popluar at that time, nearly no news about this at that time. However, I found a Chinese thread in forum talking about that he did not join Kitchee. It is okay? Also, I have just contacted NFT to remove the wrong record.--FootballHK (talk) 13:00, 14 May 2011 (UTC)
 * How about news in Chinese? I will try my best to find the reliable source. --FootballHK (talk) 13:04, 14 May 2011 (UTC)

I think I have to revise what I say. He did not reject to join Kitchee, but there were no any relationship between Kitchee and Musa Shannon, so there is no any news about Shannon joining Kitchee. --FootballHK (talk) 13:34, 14 May 2011 (UTC)

Here is the player squad of Kitchee in the Kitchee official website and Hong Kong Football Assoication official website at that time respectively. There is no Musa Shannon. Kitchee, HKFA --FootballHK (talk) 13:46, 14 May 2011 (UTC)


 * Thank you. I will write on the talk page of the article. :) --FootballHK (talk) 13:59, 14 May 2011 (UTC)

Max Cream
hi giant snowman, i keep being contacted by people asking why my wiki page is lacking info and filled with mistakes such as months and years that i was never at clubs etc. i have left wexford on mutual terms and am not at liberty to discuss those terms with anyone but have a photo copied mutual cancellation agreement if you would please edit the page to show that i am not attached with a club. also the dialogue lacks flow. maybe you can find someone to edit my page for you? the page is definitely not written the best way it could be. my former club secretary from bournemouth poppies has brought all this to my attention. please get your facts straight or stop making a mess of my page. i never took any notice of this page until you started chopping and changing and diluting info etc. the page also reads as though i never played football in the US as a youth player. i was on pro contracts and wages at both dundee united and dunfermline ath and at dunfermline i trained only with the first team, played reserve and u19 games. refer to transfermarkt.co.uk who seem to have updated my "transfers" section showing that i am now unemployed. please allow positive corrections to this page as you have made it an absolute mess. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Whatupfool909 (talk • contribs) 10:45, 14 May 2011 (UTC) Please read the final edited version before reverting back to your less accurate version. Max Cream is no longer a Wexford player. He had a number of trials with English prior to being offered a trial with Stoke City where he did not win a deal and made the move to Scotland. He was fulltime at Dundee Utd. And Dunfermline but played only youth football at Dundee United. At Dunfermline he played all first team friendly matches, a number of reserve and u19 matches before being released. He left to join the LA Galaxy on trial, scoring in one of 2 matches he played with the club before leaving to Germany. He spent less than half a season with Shelbourne making 2 league and 1 cup appearance. He returned here to the US and had trials with Chicago Fire, Vancouver Whitecaps and Portland Timbers before signing a 2 year deal with Cleveland City Stars in Feb. 2009, so by all accounts he would have returned to the US the end of 2008 latest, not February 2009 as your edit suggests. Your edit makes no suggestion of why he left Cleveland (to return to the UK) then goes straight into how he moved from Bournemouth Poppies to Bashley. Our records show that he returned to us in September not October and the years listed in the club listings are wrong also. I have a number of photos that I can happily forward to you to place onto this page. You also need to distinguish between league and total appearances/goals as you just list number in the dialogue but some are total and others are league. Please read the edited version that I feel flows much better than your version. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.158.161.172 (talk) 11:13, 14 May 2011 (UTC)

H3xStack ANI
That was a pretty silly ANI thread, no reason to potentially scare off a new editor over it. Prodego <sup style="color:darkgreen;">talk  02:23, 15 May 2011 (UTC)

Zombies invade the Netherlands
What do you think of this one: []. I can see the humour of it. The last edits were probably from our German friend Cattivi (talk) 15:50, 17 May 2011 (UTC)


 * What do you mean "humour"? Do you mean you think: 1 - it has a preposterous plot; 2 - Zombie invented this? Either way, LOL! - --Vasco Amaral (talk) 21:13, 17 May 2011 (UTC)


 * Movie is definitely legit...In what way did Zombie cross the line in last two edits (as much as i loathe is M.O.)? And by the way, sorry for "butting in", but i was writing Snowman a message myself (see below) when i saw yours. Cheers both! - --Vasco Amaral (talk) 21:17, 17 May 2011 (UTC)
 * Zombie knows I'm watching his edits (and reverting them) I told him that, and it seems to work very well. His number of edits is very low now on en.wikipedia (as far as I know) Editting this page could be seen as a very subtile threat, or a form of twisted humour. 'Woensdag gehaktdag', I wonder, does he know what that means? Better watch my back tomorrow, or maybe I'm getting paranoid? Cattivi (talk) 21:55, 17 May 2011 (UTC)


 * Well, German and Dutch do have some similarities in language. Well enough defending him :) I'm on your side 100% Cattivi, unacceptable behaviour from this "user", i also give him NO CHANCE and revert everything (right or wrong), but i would - sadly - not qualify his number of edits on EN.WIKI as "low", not if you count with the vast array of anon addresses he has. Keep the faith! - --Vasco Amaral (talk) 23:09, 17 May 2011 (UTC)

Dani Sánchez (footballer)
Hi there SNOWMAN my friend, VASCO here,

in this player's article, i have corrected several stuff regarding (some of) the clubs he appeared for in Spain, and the corresponding years. As you can see, i added a new link which attests to that (please see FUTBOLME.com), hence, he does not have 23/2 for Real Murcia Imperial as he played there 3 years, not one as you originally input. Also, if you look closely at the link i provided, it reads "2002/03 MÁLAGA JUVENIL", hence it was a youth team still.

Speaking of LINKS: please allow for some of references to be relocated as links and remain as such, here and at Marco Paixão (i have not reverted you again in the latter since, as i respect your work and persona - i am only waiting for your YES), i think you once told me regarding this approach it did not matter, they could be inserted as either links or refs, please humour me on this one if you can, please (if i am not quoting you right and there is NO CHANCE the refs can be turned into links, never mind me).

Furthermore, the first DAILY RECORD ref may be misleading because it says the player is a "...former Real Murcia and Real Betis hitman...", which is not 100% accurate, as he only played for the RESERVES, never for the main squad, as BDFUTBOL.com can attest (it only mentions the Segunda División B season). The TRANSFERMARKT.com ref also does not mention anything about his Spanish career, but i kept it because you inserted it.

Last, i inverted you order of story because he played first in SPAIN, then ABROAD. Kind regards, "whistle" back when you can - --Vasco Amaral (talk) 21:09, 17 May 2011 (UTC)

Garry Haire
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Re: Regilio Seedorf PROD
You have my apologies. I always inform the creator of an article about PROD's, however the page history made out that User:Alejoruiz mayo was the author, so he received the notification instead of you. Sir Sputnik (talk) 19:30, 18 May 2011 (UTC)

mohamed diame article
did not think adding commonly known nicknames with many, many sources needed to be cited... my impression was that if something is commonly known then it does not need a citation. nevertheless because i do not know where i would possibly cite this instead of right next to his nickname here are four news articles that state his name in the title. http://www.wigan.vitalfootball.co.uk/article.asp?a=236137 http://www.afrikansoccer.com/2011/05/sevilla-track-senegal-midfielder-momo-diame/    http://www.footballaddicts.com/stories/53981    http://www.cockneylatic.co.uk/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=892:momo-diame-is-stunned-by-crappy-wigan-quote&catid=1:latest-news&Itemid=50    That being said there are many, many people on wikipedia with names presented like 'Jonathan "John" Doe' without citations so I am changing this article back how I had changed it originally. if you would still like me to cite one of these articles somewhere in that article, please just tell me where. thanks 96.227.252.46 (talk) 03:02, 21 May 2011 (UTC)

Statistics about CA Peñarol
Hi GiantSnowman,

as an IP number without account it unfortunately is impossible for me to edit the WikiProject Football. May I ask you to add the following sentences to the talk page? I'd really appreciate that. Best regards --Florean Fortescue


 * Hi everyone,


 * please excuse my bad English. I'm from Germany, but an ardent supporter of the CA Peñarol. I would like to know if you have any information about lists which show the players with most appearances and the most goals scored for the club – like in this article about CA Vélez Sársfield. I found it nowhere. :( Does anyone know? Best regards --Florean Fortescue

Thanks
For the welcome! Robinr22 (talk) 15:08, 22 May 2011 (UTC)

"Incivility"
First, kindly refrain from bogus charges of "incivility". When you include blog posts as "references", it's perfectly appropriate to wonder if you've made yourself familiar with WP:USERG. Second, this is not part of the reliable content of FourFourTwo. It's a blog post by an amateur ("a journalist through delusion") and as such unusable per that very same WP:USERG, which leaves open the possibility of using "interactive columns hosted by news outlets they call blogs" &mdash; so long as the writers are professional journalists or are professionals in the field on which they write and the blog is subject to the news outlet's full editorial control. The author meets neither of the criteria, and as far as we can tell, the blog isn't subject to FourFourTwo ' s editorial control. Plus, it barely mentions the Big Three, so we lose precious little by its removal. - Biruitorul Talk 02:22, 23 May 2011 (UTC)
 * About this blog: I'm not saying the information contained therein is inaccurate, but it absolutely is against policy to source content through it. Again, WP:RS: "Articles should be based on reliable, third-party, published sources with a reputation for fact-checking and accuracy". A blog does not meet that high standard. And WP:BLOG: "self-published media, such as ... personal or group blogs ... are largely not acceptable as sources". (The only narrow and tentative exception is for content "produced by an established expert on the topic of the article whose work in the relevant field has previously been published by reliable third-party publications" &mdash; not applicable here. So yes, if you wanted to use that blog, you'd have to trace the reliable source where the blog got its information and quote that; the blog itself is not quotable on an encyclopedia that strives for quality sourcing.
 * About FourFourTwo - again, the author is an avowed amateur (not permitted per WP:USERG) and we don't know if the magazine exercises "full editorial control" over the blog - again, we need to know that. Appeals to common sense are all well and good, but per WP:BURDEN, proving that a source is reliable lies with the editor adding the source, and you have not come up with the proof, while I have cast serious doubt on its acceptability. - Biruitorul Talk 14:15, 23 May 2011 (UTC)

kashif siddiqi article?
Hi there,

i had a few questions regarding the kashif siddiqi article. Why are his changes always put back to default. Some of his information is wrong, i am an acquaintence and have seen his career develop over the years. The information i added earlier, gives the reader a little more depth about him and corrects the mistakes.

look forward to your response. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Stevenklien (talk • contribs) 21:44, 30 May 2011 (UTC)

Burge
Thanks. I'm reluctant to start giving out 3RR warnings to the other party to something I'm involved in. I was surprised, actually, he's not usually as possessive as that about the odd word. cheers, Struway2 (talk) 18:11, 31 May 2011 (UTC)
 * Thought that now the Hoddle academy had got him a proper job at Doncaster and he did OK on loan at Oxford, he the regular anon editor would settle down a bit, but hopefully the player will sign his contract soon... cheers, Struway2 (talk) 15:06, 4 June 2011 (UTC)

Kind of odd?
Hi there SNOWMAN, VASCO "here",

any particular reason as to why ONLY my discussions are ignored? Kind of a "downer"... --Vasco Amaral (talk) 22:46, 1 June 2011 (UTC)


 * Am not being a cry baby man (well i am, but not at "full speed"), i meant my discussions of the last days, not ALWAYS. People have responded quite often in fact, and you have been one of the most helpful! Could you have a look at the one where i mention categories and tell me what you think? I would highly appreciate it.

Kind regards - --Vasco Amaral (talk) 23:02, 1 June 2011 (UTC)

Fkp
First of all let me assure you I had NO intention of filing a report against User:FkpCascais, and that if I had, I would naturally have notified him (as I had done in the past). In retrospect perhaps I should've done so regardless, but rest assured the omission was not due to any premeditated "plan" on my part.

My inquiry, however, apparently drew attention to the WP:3RR violation on the part of User:FkpCascais, one that I was not even aware of at the time (I've not counted his reverts). FPS is an admin well acquainted with enWiki's Balkans articles, and the user had been placed on ARBMAC notice due to previous edit-warring. In this instance, the user once again violated WP:3RR, this time to remove a long-standing related image from the article, against talkpage opposition, and without consensus. The only justification he posted was that image is somehow the "same" as  image and that "clearly" therefore one of those two should be removed.

To sum-up, in retrospect it was a mistake on my part not to notify Fkp (in spite of not my not intending to report him for anything), but the user was clearly (once again) in violation of WP:3RR, and was specifically warned against doing so beforehand. -- DIREKTOR  ( TALK ) 00:15, 3 June 2011 (UTC)


 * Check the article edit history and you´ll see I had one revert divided into 3 edits (so I could explain to this people each one... grrrrr, silly me) and I used the word rv in 2 of them. Oh, and direktor actualy failed to notify me several times now when filling reports against me. Funny he says the oposite, what was he thinking, that I don´t remember... :) (Direktor, my IQ is ridiculously low I am stupid as I can get, however just enough to remember some things, lucky me!). You can see his and mine block logs, and see the trouth. And he allways uses this rethoric of "and he was warned of..." an such... Btw, all my blocks were related with incidents with this user GiantSnowman, and in one (the first) I was also not warned and blocked before even having a chance to defend myself, the second block was for sending direktor somewhere (it was long time ago and I was frontal, silly me, low IQ obviously) and the third was because I reported a user (btw, coincidence, one of direktors best friends User:AlasdairGreen27) that told me direct obscenities at my talk page, and Less decided to block me instead for insisting at the report, while (for some strange reason) some users appeared saying in the report that "kiss your sorry ass" was not an NPA (!). I reported Less for admin abuse and the thread was never closed... so you see... FkpCascais (talk) 01:35, 3 June 2011 (UTC)
 * Again, you seem to think doing several reverts in succession somehow makes them count as one - this is not so (please see 3RR exemptions). You were obviously in violation of WP:3RR.
 * revert 4 02:49, 2 June 2011 (Rv, image situation is clear. About source, I don´t see where that is said. Rv to Timbouctou version.)
 * revert 3 20:07, 1 June 2011 (Rv vandalism and purpose missplacing edit with intention of deniying resistance rights to Chetnik movement. This was rightfully here.)
 * revert 2 20:03, 1 June 2011 (Undid revision 432008958 by DIREKTOR (talk) Choose one out! You may just adore having them posing together, but one picture is enough. Stop your insulting POV!);
 * revert 1 07:04, 1 June 2011 (Undid revision 431950596 by DIREKTOR (talk) 2 eaqual pictures want stay. Choose one out!)
 * P.S. I would also appreciate it if you stopped talking about me. While I am apalled at how you're using my friendly posts to insult and badmouth me to various admins, I do not see what significance that has to your sanction. -- DIREKTOR  ( TALK ) 02:17, 3 June 2011 (UTC)
 * Posting a thread at GiantSnowman´s talk page titled "Fkp" with a purpouse of talking on me seems more like you talking about me, not me talking about you. I talked about this situation at FPS talk page, to ask him about this problem, since he was the first involved admin, and afterwords with GiantSnowman at my talkpage, who was kind to notify me. Seems that not only you failed to give me a chance to defend myself when it should have happend, but you further want to keep me quiet? Don´t abuse yourself. Btw, if trouth that those 2 edits of mine are both reverts, then seems that direktor made 5 reverts, check my talk page. FkpCascais (talk) 02:36, 3 June 2011 (UTC)
 * hah! :) "5 reverts" eh? Seems you've proclaimed one edit to somehow contain 2 reverts, and declared that two seperate additions of completely new text constitute "reverts".. -- DIREKTOR  ( TALK ) 03:04, 3 June 2011 (UTC)


 * Guys, I would advise you both to keep the discussion in one place - WP:ANI. Regards, GiantSnowman 09:46, 3 June 2011 (UTC)
 * Nah.. I'm done, Snowman. Frankly I don't see what there is to discuss, the guy breaks 3RR (for the umpteenth time) by edit-warring to remove content against consuensus, and gets sanctioned. Besides, Fkp has banned me from his talkpage (again) and declared he will no longer respond to my posts. -- DIREKTOR  ( TALK ) 11:01, 3 June 2011 (UTC)
 * You took it to AN, an admin moved it to ANI, and that's where the discussion should continue - not my talkpage, not your talkpage, not Fkp's talkpage. Regards, GiantSnowman 11:55, 3 June 2011 (UTC)
 * Yes yes, of course, but I don't know what else to say.. -- DIREKTOR  ( TALK ) 11:58, 3 June 2011 (UTC)
 * I'd advise you not to engage Fkp, who doesn't seem to want to engage you anyway, as it only seems to be exacerbating the situation. It's in the hands of the admins, let them deal with it now. Regards, GiantSnowman 12:00, 3 June 2011 (UTC)
 * My sentiments exactly :) -- DIREKTOR  ( TALK ) 12:04, 3 June 2011 (UTC)

Andrew Gold
*snerk* you're absolutely right!

Sorry - guess the cursor got a bit carried away or I missed something.

Thanks for the backup.

Regards, -- Man way  20:37, 4 June 2011 (UTC)

Borja Criado
Hi there SNOWMAN, VASCO here,

i feel a bit embarrassed by my behaviour, again not following the WP rules...i'll elaborate: on Borja Criado, i have removed twice the tag you inserted that the article was unreferenced (last time i promise!), because in my opinion it is very well referenced, i worked my butt off to improved article, and i felt it was more than adequate for a player of his caliber, yet you say it is not.

Can you my friend (and no sarcasm here, i respect and admire you overall) tell me why do you see this article as orphan? Again, i promise i will not remove the tag again, even though i disagree. Kind regards, from Portugal - --Vasco Amaral (talk) 14:36, 8 June 2011 (UTC)


 * So that's what orphan means! Getting wiki-sillier by the minute my friend! I thought that it meant "having no refs". I present my sincere apologies to you mate, the tag STAYS! - --Vasco Amaral (talk) 14:47, 8 June 2011 (UTC)


 * As Groucho Marx would've put it: explain it to me like i'm a six-year old :)

So if "orphan" means that no other links link to Criado's (in this case) page, what do all the wikilinks we find in his page (CE Europa, La Liga, Valencia CF, forward, etc) mean? Aren't those links (well wikilinks)? Help me friend, i'm at a loss :( - --Vasco Amaral (talk) 23:00, 8 June 2011 (UTC)

Proposed deletion of The Pictish Trail


The article The Pictish Trail has been proposed for deletion&#32; because of the following concern:
 * Non-notable musician. Of the sources here, the first is by the record company, the third is a Wikipedia mirror, and the fourth is completely irrelevant.

While all contributions to Wikipedia are appreciated, content or articles may be deleted for any of several reasons.

You may prevent the proposed deletion by removing the notice, but please explain why in your edit summary or on the article's talk page.

Please consider improving the article to address the issues raised. Removing will stop the proposed deletion process, but other deletion processes exist. The speedy deletion process can result in deletion without discussion, and articles for deletion allows discussion to reach consensus for deletion.  S ven M anguard  Wha?  18:22, 10 June 2011 (UTC)

Gregoire Akcelrod
Hi, Gregoire Akcelrod's page: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gregoire_Akcelrod is a copy of Greg Akcelrod already deleted 3 times ! : http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Greg_Akcelrod&action=edit&redlink=1. I think you could make a speedy deletion. Thanks Mikeku (talk) 18:46, 12 June 2011 (UTC)

Defaultsorts for particular cases
Hi, you certainly noteced the discussion here. Do you eventually know any policy with regard of that? Cause all I found were defaultsorts necessarily starting with surnames, but for particular sportsman names may not be the most apropriate. If you know any helpfull policy let us know. Best regards, FkpCascais (talk) 04:52, 15 June 2011 (UTC)
 * Thanks for your input. I would like to open a discussion on the policy talk page so the principle could include the cases for this players known by other name than the surname. I will let you know about the discussion when opened, although I have no hurry. FkpCascais (talk) 17:03, 15 June 2011 (UTC)

WP:FPL
Hi, when you added the verifiability tag to the Albania entries at this page, did you mean it to cover all three sources, as Bettia's comments on the talk page seem to suggest that at least two of them refer to a professional league, and if we are going to question whether 'just' referring to the word professional is enough then that would apply to a large number of entries on the list. I believe a consensus has built up over what reasonably should be included, and only a handful of the entries are not sourced. Bear in mind that the description applied to the page 'fully pro league' is not in any way defined, and it would be very difficult to do so and back it up with sources. Regards.Eldumpo (talk) 20:42, 17 June 2011 (UTC)

RE: Keith Eddy
No problem regarding the expansion, sometimes when I see an article I do a quick search to see if there is any easily obtained material and in this case I found some. Managed to make it big enough to go do a DYK and the nomination there has been approved; I included you as a creator as well so you should get a notification after it goes up on the front page. Miyagawa  (talk)  09:17, 21 June 2011 (UTC)

Speedy deletion declined: FK Radnički Nova Pazova
Hello GiantSnowman. I am just letting you know that I declined the speedy deletion of FK Radnički Nova Pazova, a page you tagged for speedy deletion, because of the following concern: Tem plays in a notable league, that's enough to dodge the A7. Thank you. Courcelles 21:33, 21 June 2011 (UTC)

Speedy deletion declined: FK Pobeda Beloševac
Hello GiantSnowman. I am just letting you know that I declined the speedy deletion of FK Pobeda Beloševac, a page you tagged for speedy deletion, because of the following concern: Tem plays in a notable league, that's enough to dodge the A7. Thank you. Courcelles 21:34, 21 June 2011 (UTC)

Speedy deletion declined: FK Bačka
Hello GiantSnowman. I am just letting you know that I declined the speedy deletion of FK Bačka, a page you tagged for speedy deletion, because of the following concern: Tem plays in a notable league, that's enough to dodge the A7. Thank you. Courcelles 21:35, 21 June 2011 (UTC)

Speedy deletion declined: FK Dorćol
Hello GiantSnowman. I am just letting you know that I declined the speedy deletion of FK Dorćol, a page you tagged for speedy deletion, because of the following concern: Tem plays in a notable league, that's enough to dodge the A7. Thank you. Courcelles 21:36, 21 June 2011 (UTC)

Speedy deletion declined: FK Budućnost Prva Kutina
Hello GiantSnowman. I am just letting you know that I declined the speedy deletion of FK Budućnost Prva Kutina, a page you tagged for speedy deletion, because of the following concern: Tem plays in a notable league, that's enough to dodge the A7. Thank you. Courcelles 21:36, 21 June 2011 (UTC)

Speedy deletion declined: FK Budućnost Dobanovci
Hello GiantSnowman. I am just letting you know that I declined the speedy deletion of FK Budućnost Dobanovci, a page you tagged for speedy deletion, because of the following concern: Team plays in a notable league, that's enough to dodge the A7. Thank you. Courcelles 21:36, 21 June 2011 (UTC)

Speedy deletion declined: FK IMT Novi Beograd
Hello GiantSnowman. I am just letting you know that I declined the speedy deletion of FK IMT Novi Beograd, a page you tagged for speedy deletion, because of the following concern: Team plays in a notable league, that's enough to dodge the A7. Thank you. Courcelles 21:37, 21 June 2011 (UTC)

Speedy deletion declined: FK Borac Ostružnica
Hello GiantSnowman. I am just letting you know that I declined the speedy deletion of FK Borac Ostružnica, a page you tagged for speedy deletion, because of the following concern: Team plays in a notable league, that's enough to dodge the A7. Thank you. Courcelles 21:40, 21 June 2011 (UTC)

Speedy deletion declined: FK PKB Padinska Skela
Hello GiantSnowman. I am just letting you know that I declined the speedy deletion of FK PKB Padinska Skela, a page you tagged for speedy deletion, because of the following concern: Team plays in a notable league, that's enough to dodge the A7. Thank you. Courcelles 21:40, 21 June 2011 (UTC)

Speedy deletion declined: FK Sloga Despotovac
Hello GiantSnowman. I am just letting you know that I declined the speedy deletion of FK Sloga Despotovac, a page you tagged for speedy deletion, because of the following concern: Team plays in a notable league, that's enough to dodge the A7. Thank you. Courcelles 21:41, 21 June 2011 (UTC)

Speedy deletion declined: FK Sloboda Novi Kozarci
Hello GiantSnowman. I am just letting you know that I declined the speedy deletion of FK Sloboda Novi Kozarci, a page you tagged for speedy deletion, because of the following concern: Team plays in a notable league, that's enough to dodge the A7. Thank you. Courcelles 21:46, 21 June 2011 (UTC)

Speedy deletion declined: FK Sloga Temerin
Hello GiantSnowman. I am just letting you know that I declined the speedy deletion of FK Sloga Temerin, a page you tagged for speedy deletion, because of the following concern: Team plays in a notable league, that's enough to dodge the A7. Thank you. Courcelles 21:46, 21 June 2011 (UTC)

Speedy deletion declined: FK Šumadija Aranđelovac
Hello GiantSnowman. I am just letting you know that I declined the speedy deletion of FK Šumadija Aranđelovac, a page you tagged for speedy deletion, because of the following concern: Team plays in a notable league, that's enough to dodge the A7. Thank you. Courcelles 21:47, 21 June 2011 (UTC)

STOP
I've never seen one user add this many mistaken speedy deletion tags in a row. A team in a notable league cannot be deleted by A7, which requires no indication of importance at all. Please stop these taggings, as they are not correct, and will be declined. Courcelles 21:49, 21 June 2011 (UTC)

CONCACAF Gold Cup Finals
So many are the same but they should be on there though Mr Hall of England (talk) 13:55, 23 June 2011 (UTC)

Mexico played the USA in the following finals Mr Hall of England (talk) 14:01, 23 June 2011 (UTC)
 * 1993 USA vs. MEX
 * 1998 USA vs. MEX
 * 2007 USA vs. MEX
 * 2009 USA vs. MEX

None USA vs. Mexico finals


 * 1991 HON vs. USA
 * 1996 BRA vs. MEX
 * 2000 COL vs. CAN
 * 2002 CRC vs. USA
 * 2003 BRA vs. MEX
 * 2005 USA vs. PAN

They should just be done and that is all.

Well I am starting the 1991 Final so could you help me with some of the others please?

Quique Sánchez Flores
Hi there SNOWY, VASCO here, hope all's fine by you,

Please have a look at this (see here http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Football#Assume_good_faith_-_Really.3F), and kindly direct me with a trusted admin on your "turf" (the last three i contacted, for several vandalism-related issues, replied ZERO, and two of them are active! Yes i know, WP is not all about football and other subjects need assistance too, but it's so frustrating).

Kind regards, good luck with your Masters - --Vasco Amaral (talk) 21:30, 23 June 2011 (UTC)

Happy editing?
Happy editing indeed (please see here http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Dean1977), i fed the troll in an edit summary (last time i do that man, or you can propose that i get blocked for longer than 24 hours, i'm dead serious), got a different award in my user page than usual...

I have sent a message doing another thing which i should not, since i have ZERO sympathy for vandals, but i have apologized to the "user" in said briefing. I repeat, LAST TIME i feed a troll (at least in that vile manner), please be on my case to see if i fail :)

Attentively - --Vasco Amaral (talk) 23:43, 23 June 2011 (UTC)


 * I see what you mean, but this one is a VANDAL (maybe he'll change, maybe not, for now he is - coming to my page and telling me to get a life after vandalizing a page!), period. All in all, after nearly FIVE years, my manners still leave a lot to be desired :( --Vasco Amaral (talk) 00:07, 24 June 2011 (UTC)

Tommy Hoban
As the article's creator, I was wondering if it would be okay with you if I were to move the article to "Tommie Hoban"? The two primary sources (Watford and the FAI) spell his name with an -ie, as do the Watford Observer. Sky Sports initially used Tommy when he somewhat unexpectedly made his debut, but appear to have since adopted Tommie. The BBC did likewise, but haven't written about him since the Preston match. Soccerbase and the Press Association currently use Tommy, although I question how much weight should be given to sources that missed Sean Murray's debut, can't get Ireland under-21 international Rob Kiernan's nationality right, and still have Jure Travner and Scott Severin listed as Watford players.

If you think Tommy should stick that's cool. I don't see much value in an out-and-out move request unless he becomes higher profile in future, but thought I'd see if it's uncontroversial. Regards, —WFC— 17:52, 24 June 2011 (UTC)

Help!
I am not sure if this "user" is also User:Dean1977 although i'm pretty sure he is...

After the run-in in UD Las Palmas and my apology, what did i get? More userpage vandalism and insults. And i should keep my cool with this?!? Have sent another "briefing" to the (supposedly same) chap/idiot.

Help please, happy Saturday - --Vasco Amaral (talk) 18:12, 25 June 2011 (UTC)


 * Per your suggestion, have filled a report at AIV, hopefully did it correctly. --Vasco Amaral (talk) 18:28, 25 June 2011 (UTC)

Montserrat
GIANTSNOWMAN DO U KNOW ALOT ABOUT MONTSERRAT NATIONAL FOOTIE TEAM? IF SO CAN YOU REPLY TO ME MY WIKI NAME BOBSTAR009 AS IM CURRNELTEY TRYING TO GET SOME INFO FOR THEM SO I CAN CREATE THEM ON FOOTBALL MANAGER 2011 I SUPPORT THEM BUT ON THE GAME THERE IS ONLY 7 PLAYERS AS THERE MOSTLEY AMEATURS. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Bobstar009 (talk • contribs) 23:17, 25 June 2011 (UTC)

Good work
I keep seeing your name popping up in my watchlist (I didn't realise how many articles I'd written!) cleaning up the old infobox syntax. Even though you're using AWB to speed up the process, it's still going to take a while and I don't envy you at all! Keep it up, Big  Dom  16:40, 27 June 2011 (UTC)

DYK for Keith Eddy
Calmer  Waters  12:03, 28 June 2011 (UTC)

Club notability
You know, when I saw the yellow box indicating I had a message I half expected it to be from a new user who is playing silly beggers right now. I'll start the discussion and hopefully plenty of people will get involved. <font style="color:#014421;">Argyle 4 Life <font style="color:#4863A0;">talk 22:17, 28 June 2011 (UTC)
 * No worries, they'll get blocked soon if they carry wasting people's time. I've started the discussion so you're welcome to add your views. I've usually been someone who goes with the flow on here so initiating a major discussion is a slight change of pace. <font style="color:#014421;">Argyle 4 Life <font style="color:#4863A0;">talk 22:47, 28 June 2011 (UTC)

Alisic
Alisic had been signed to the Hungarian club Debrecen. http://www.nemzetisport.hu/labdarugo_nb_i/dvsc-a-loki-szerzodtette-a-holland-es-az-eszt-probajatekost-2083779/

Best wishes, Infel (talk) 10:13, 29 June 2011 (UTC)

Hi
Hi I'm new here. Can you use coding to make a thing at the end of a message? Gotekk June 29 —Preceding undated comment added 14:49, 29 June 2011 (UTC).

I do mean that, but can I it have a colored background, colored text, and pictures? --Gotekk (talk) 14:53, 29 June 2011 (UTC)

Reply
Thank you, very much appreciated. (DUCKISJAMMMY (talk) 16:10, 29 June 2011 (UTC))

Question
If a user has created a userspace draft, & you want the page to go live is it only the creator who is suppose to move it to the mainspace or is anyone allowed. If it is the case that anyone can move it to the mainspace is it frowned upon. (DUCKISJAMMMY (talk) 18:32, 29 June 2011 (UTC))

Yeah, I thought as much. I'll just have to try to convince the creator to move it, I doubt they will though as it was created 10 months ago. Thanks. (DUCKISJAMMMY (talk) 19:10, 29 June 2011 (UTC))

Hi
Hi, an article you have edited on Disappearance of Edward and Austin Bryant is up for AfD, just to let you know if you want to join the discussion.--BabbaQ (talk) 19:46, 1 July 2011 (UTC)

Quick!
Some important news for you! Click HERE!

Graham Moseley
Hello, GiantSnowman.

I have taken extensive notes on various footballers' careers through the years. Until recently, these notes were strictly old school - ink on paper. And since these notes were written down for my personal use long before wikipedia, I didn't think to jot down my sources. A shame really, 'cause I sit on a wealth of material. (I do understand the need to disclose sources, though.)

Perhaps you would like to act on some of my unsourced contributions as a sort of "tip" that you can investigate, instead of removing it entirely? Just a friendly and humble thought...

Speaking of Graham Moseley: he did go to Ipswich Town on loan in March 1984 even if he never made a league appearance. I do have a source for that particular fact: Rothman's Football Yearbook 1984-85 p. 429.

Sincerely Arctic Odd. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 88.90.128.16 (talk) 00:53, 6 July 2011 (UTC)

Removal of template on Conor Ramsay
The removal of the stats template on the page was perfectly relevant, as I'm the only person that updates Morton stats (except that annoying wee guy that updates the goalscorers and nobody else), I will have to update that stupid wee box as well as the infobox and I can't be fucked if I'm being honest. It's completely unnecessary for a kid that we have no idea if he'll make it at this level, especially after 5 games in two bloody years! How's about you ask, and look at the reality of the situation, before copying and pasting a generic response on my page. Salty1984 (talk) 16:40, 6 July 2011 (UTC)

Robert Brown
There seems to be two entries for the English amateur international Bobby Brown: "Bobby Brown (footballer born 1940)" and "Robert Brown (footballer born 1940)", respectively.

Arctic Odd. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 88.90.128.16 (talk) 17:28, 6 July 2011 (UTC)

Ross Hannah
Before I got to AfD, how come you've created Ross Hannah, when you voted to delete at the previous deletion debate? Brad78 (talk) 22:09, 6 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Fair enough. I'll let it go then though still not sure he meets notability guidelines. Brad78 (talk) 22:14, 6 July 2011 (UTC)
 * He'll probably make his debut within four weeks anyway so not much gained by deleting anyway. I know it's a bit crystal balling but at the moment, I don't see the purpose in deleting really. Brad78 (talk) 22:18, 6 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Terrible - well the away one is. Wish you hadn't changed it/added it on Bradford City A.F.C.. Just leave it with the home kit only, eh? ;-) Brad78 (talk) 22:23, 6 July 2011 (UTC)

Help!
Hi there SNOWY, VASCO here,

could you please read this and provide with some mediation please (see here http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Johnelwaq#Juan_Manuel_Ortiz)? I am 99,99999999% i am going to be reverted, this time having infringed none of the "style" rules.

Attentively, ty very much in advance - --Vasco Amaral (talk) 23:55, 6 July 2011 (UTC)


 * Fine job, as ALWAYS! :) I am only going to tidy intro up a notch, because you left it in a state that people might consider he's only known as JUANMA, when it's JUANMA ORTIZ. I don't know why the box must read JUAN MANUEL when he's known more as JUANMA, but ok, why edit war? --Vasco Amaral (talk) 00:06, 7 July 2011 (UTC)


 * My intro attempt was a MESS! Left it as you input it, regards ;) --Vasco Amaral (talk) 00:10, 7 July 2011 (UTC)

Match in progress
I was wondering if you would be willing to give your opinion on the Tfd for match in progress. You may have a totally different opinion to me but I have appreciated your guidance on matters in the past. Thanks. Warburton1368 (talk) 12:12, 8 July 2011 (UTC)

Proposed deletion of Pere Gratacós


The article Pere Gratacós has been proposed for deletion because, under Wikipedia policy, all biographies of living persons created after March 18, 2010, must have at least one reliable source that directly supports material in the article.

If you created the article, please don't take offense. Instead, consider improving the article. For help on inserting references, see Referencing for beginners, or ask at the help desk. Once you have provided at least one reliable source, you may remove the prod blp tag. Please do not remove the tag unless the article is sourced. If you cannot provide such a source within ten days, the article may be deleted, but you can when you are ready to add one. Regards, SunCreator (talk) 19:07, 8 July 2011 (UTC)

Gratacós - Reply
Hi there mate, VASCO here (well sort of),

Have just browsed the ES.WIKI article, and it's full of "goodies" in the form of refs. All in Spanish tough. Am off to dinner, will have a look at it this evening, latest tomorrow. WIKI-promise!

Regards - --Vasco Amaral (talk) 19:24, 8 July 2011 (UTC)


 * And please have a look at this (see here http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Football#AEK_Athens_F.C._players): another Greek user who likes to engage like crazy in POV/WEASEL and akin, has told me to NOT edit those players and leave him alone! --Vasco Amaral (talk) 19:36, 8 July 2011 (UTC)


 * Now to the task at hand: improved storyline and career data (one player club missing, several as a manager). Tomorrow, will add REFS i promise (hence still kept tag). Now, as Frank Gallagher would say...PARTY!!


 * Ya está amigo! Done, hope you like it! As i thought, could not find almost any references in English (surprised to have found one!). Regards - --Vasco Amaral (talk) 18:18, 10 July 2011 (UTC)

Pere Gratacós reference
I am sorry, BDF profile = External links Mega60 (talk) 11:10, 9 July 2011 (UTC)

Otman Bakkal
Dear GiantSNowman, in regards to my edit to Otman Bakkal, if you looked at the article, you would see a sentence is misplaced and put twice. You would see: "In November 2010, Bakkal was bitten by Luis Suárez on the shoulder during the 0-0 draw between PSV and Ajax on 20 November 2010." It is listed on both the club career section and internation career section. The sentence does not apply to his international career, and should not be in that category. All my edit did was remove it from where it did not belong, and should be fixed. (Lonestarr022 (talk) 02:56, 10 July 2011 (UTC))

discussion you put on my talk page
How come I got an info page saying I didn't complete the process? I'm sure that I have done given you have made your views heard on said discussion page on the AFD log. Seasider91 (talk) 15:04, 11 July 2011 (UTC)

Jungle Bhoys
Hi GiantSnowman, I have done a search for this group pn google and it appears that there is very little information that would give notability. Their is one article about them being set up [] in the Glasgow Evening Times and several articles which mention them in passing. I don't think they are more notable than last time when the page was deleted. Adam4267 (talk) 09:58, 14 July 2011 (UTC)

Darren Stephenson & Bradford City A.F.C.
Hi GiantSnowman, as regards the change i made to the Bradford City A.F.C. squad listing showing Darren Stephenson being Jamaican, was based on Darren Stephenson's own Wikipedia page stating that he was born in Jamaica and that there is no evidence there that he has played for any other international representative side, thus making him Jamaican. I fail to see how this is not seen to be constructive. Regards. Prof bed (talk) 13:04, 14 July 2011 (UTC)
 * So is his Wiki page wrong? To be honest i have found over the last few years many inaccuracies in Premium TV's Football League websites player profiles, mainly nationalities and dates of birth. A good example of an inaccuracy on the very same section is under Scott Brown, who has been given details of the Celtic captain, Scott Brown, and not the 16 year old from Clyde!! If Stephenson was in fact born in England or has played for England Schools or whatever then obviously thats fair enough. Sorry, its because ive kept my own records for years and a big green Jamaican flag stands out amongst the St Georges flags on my spreadsheet that i noticed it and changed it. Regards Prof bed (talk) 13:17, 14 July 2011 (UTC)
 * OK, so maybe then in the infobox it should be changed to show he was born in England, not Jamaica? and the category section and stub section should also be changed? Regards Prof bed (talk) 13:43, 14 July 2011 (UTC)

Quique Sánchez Flores
Hi again SNOWY (and thanks for the Puyolesque reply), VASCO here,

he lied down a couple of weeks, to see if i would forget, has started again, after i (we) told him through A+B+C player/manager is known 99,9999999999% of the time as "Quique Flores". I have already contacted the admin/user who blocked him the first time, and also messaged the Colombian user.

Attentively, happy week - --Vasco Amaral (talk) 01:27, 19 July 2011 (UTC)

Anderson Marques
Hi. Could I please ask you if you could help me to nominate this guy for speedy deletion? It is because he never played in any pro league, and a bunch of editors really need to start to acknolledge about notability. They insist in removing the deletion tag I posted and they make instantly numerous bios of players inmediatelly after signing, never carying if they played in pro league, or not. If he comes to play in league he´ll be restored, until then it would really be great to have the article deleted so the users start to read a bit about our policies here... Best regards (I was on hollidays for a while, so I only returned recently, so that is why I haven´t been around... All OK with you? :) FkpCascais (talk) 17:57, 19 July 2011 (UTC)
 * You did not explained to me that Brazilian Serie B was fully pro, and I didn´t knew it... FkpCascais (talk) 19:48, 19 July 2011 (UTC)
 * My mistake. I thought only the A serie was pro... Wow, with B serie being considered pro we risk having millions of bios only about Brazilian players... but ok... FkpCascais (talk) 19:52, 19 July 2011 (UTC)

Non-League club AfDs
Hello Snowman. I'm hoping to persuade you to change your mind in the AfDs on Rustington and the other Sussex League club. Previously clubs playing at that level have been assumed to be notable, as Step 6 is the level at which clubs can enter the FA Cup. In these specific cases the clubs can't because of a lack of floodlights - however, this would mean having articles for some clubs in the division, but not others, and I think it would be better to have a complete set. Plus as I noted in one AfD, we can't rely on the FOOTYN for clubs because it makes 6,000 French clubs eligible for articles (as any club can enter the Coupe de France)! Cheers, Number   5  7  22:11, 19 July 2011 (UTC)

HELP!!
Hi there o giant one, VASCO here,

please have a look at this message i sent to User:Thumperward (see here http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Thumperward#Jos.C3.A9_Carlos_Fern.C3.A1ndez_V.C3.A1zquez_-_Help.21.21.21), and kindly advise me. Chris could not be of assistance unfortunately.

Regards - --Vasco Amaral (talk) 14:51, 20 July 2011 (UTC)

Notability regarding French clubs
I read your message at WT:FOOTY and agree that Club notability needs a overhaul. My personal suggestion regarding French clubs in the Coupe de France would be since every club is eligible to participate in the competition, the only clubs that should merit notability on Wikipedia are the ones that reach the 7th Round since that is the round professional clubs in France start off or possibly the Round of 64 since that is the round where the French Football Federation site starts archiving results at leaving the early round results to the regional sites. See here. —  JS   Rant Away 16:43, 20 July 2011 (UTC)

Easy question
Am i correct in saying for player notability that the Scottish First division is fully pro and the second and third are not. What about for club season articles are they not considered notable. Warburton1368 (talk) 19:53, 20 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Great Help thanks. Warburton1368 (talk) 20:56, 20 July 2011 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!
De nada, good to see any efforts towards old biographies and topic rather than the recentism many people adhere to.♦ Dr. Blofeld  13:23, 21 July 2011 (UTC)

Florent Sinama Pongolle
Hi there SNOWY, VASCO here,

please read reference #1 (not added by me, just finished reading it), the loan to Le Havre AC is thoroughly explained there. Going to have a go improving his cousin's article as well.

Off for a couple of days to the beach, leaving you guys at peace :) Happy weekend - --Vasco Amaral (talk) 23:07, 22 July 2011 (UTC)


 * Le Tallec "trivia", for zero million pounds: could you help me retrieve his SOCCERBASE.COM entry to his external links? I used Sinama-Pongolle's, then searched for "Le Tallec", it did find his page, but without any URL, so i cannot copy/paste that one i believe...

Thanks in advance, keep it up! --Vasco Amaral (talk) 23:18, 22 July 2011 (UTC)

Taskforce
Do you have any experience on the initial setup of a task force i have started the main page. It then talks about creating categories which i think i can probably do may be with a wee bit of help but it then talks about Adding the task force to the project banner which i dont understand. would you be able to help or do you know a user who may be good at that. Warburton1368 (talk) 15:42, 24 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Tried that not that easy to follow but thanks ill have a wee look through and see who created other task force and appeal for help. Warburton1368 (talk) 16:00, 24 July 2011 (UTC)

A kitten for you!
Someone already have you a barnstar for our work on reducing the red links here, so have a kitten!

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David Goodwillie
I know you probably meant nothing by it but please if you have a problem don't use the project to say it. If you want to discuss please notify me on my talkpage. I do not see a problem with telling the project about something they should be aware of. Were you before i left the post to alert other members. Warburton1368 (talk) 18:50, 26 July 2011 (UTC)

Outing
About this: As I already remarked at the ANI, it is proverbial how Jabbsworth trigger complaints and punishments for other's actions but actions that he hismself commit. Look at this:, just publishing my country. As Jabbswroth expressively claimed that NotBW revealing his country is a harrasment or stalking, then why should I do not assume that he was stalking me?. -- <span class="texhtml" style="font-family:Berlin Sans FB; font-size:small; text-shadow:orange 0.2em 0.2em 0.1em;"> ClaudioSantos ¿?  00:39, 27 July 2011 (UTC)


 * See this. Me complaining under a different account about CS. He has never denied it. Jabbsworth (talk) 01:01, 27 July 2011 (UTC)


 * GS, he's done it again . This after he was warned not to do it and after I explicitly denied a COI. He's intent on creating a battleground and outing. Jabbsworth (talk) 22:01, 27 July 2011 (UTC)


 * Hey GiantSnow, I think you should take a more exahustive look on the thing. It is proverbial how this Jabbsworth behaves against any user woh shows any oposition to his pro-euthanasia agenda. He does use always a rude and aggresive language and behaivour to exasperate the users. It has happened over the time with his precious sockpuppets and now again. See the last weeks, after being unblocked: 24 hours after being unblocked he got a block for edit warring, he is going to get a topic ban, he is going to get an interaction ban with me, of course surely I also will get a topic ban as I lost my patience with his PAs. Just take a look at the ANI where I have provided enough links showing his behavbiour: he permanently refers to usres with expression like: "incomprehensible grammar", "tenuous grasp of English", "broken english", "poor reading comprehension", "vandalism", "rubish", "insane point of view", "bloody minded", risible","pathetic", "pointless".He always trigger edit wars in order to get blocks to scare and get other users far away, recently he experessively asked to NotBW to stay away from the pages he built, etc. In few weeks he is angeaged in two wars against two users, that is poroverbial!!!. Also notice that this NotBW was Jabbsworth's wikifriend who was encouraged by Jabbswroth against me, ans certainly NotBW helped him. Así le paga el diablo a quien bien le sirve. -- <span class="texhtml" style="font-family:Berlin Sans FB; font-size:small; text-shadow:orange 0.2em 0.2em 0.1em;"> ClaudioSantos  ¿?  00:35, 28 July 2011 (UTC)


 * You can see what I'm up against, GS. It's almost too much trouble; makes one wonder how broken wp really is. [[Image:Face-sad.svg|25px]] Jabbsworth (talk) 00:55, 28 July 2011 (UTC)

Wydad Casablanca
Hi, thank you for your message. I want to say that I do have the functionality to transfer the contents of items with their new appointments. I create the appointmentWydad AC Casablanca long time ago but it has caused to be delivered to his old appointment Wydad Casablanca, so it was impossible to transfer the article again so I used the copy paste method while putting the wordredirect in the former appointment. Regarding the appointment Wydad AC Casablanca now. In reality the real name of the club is Wydad AC, I added Casablanca to properly specify the city. I give you examples of similar : Juventus FC (nown as Juventus Torino), SL Benfica (nown as Benfica Lisbon), AFC Ajax (nown as Ajax Amsterdam), Club Nacional de F. (nown as National Montevideo), CR Flamengo (nown as Flamengo de Rio de Janeiro), CA Peñarol (nown as Peñarol Montevideo), Cruzeiro EC (nown as Cruzeiro Bello Horizonte), SE Palmeiras (nown as Palmeiras Sao Paulo). Greetings. --Faycal.09 (talk) 22:25, 27 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Yes sure I must mistake to moves pages without starting an WP:RM and sorry for that. I will try to do that on future. Thank you. --Faycal.09 (talk) 22:43, 27 July 2011 (UTC)

Wikipedia:WikiProject Football/New articles
Thank you for alerting me with regard to the errors I made in the last couple of days in the posting of new articles under WikiProject Football. Apologies and won't happen again - cheers. <font color="#304E4D" size="2px">Deserter <font color="#534B0E" size="2.3px">1 09:55, 28 July 2011 (UTC)

Mamdoh bin Abdulrahman bin Saud
I've had to decline teh BLPPROD here, there's a restriction on that tag limiting it to articles created after March 18, 2010. A PROD would be valid, however, or AfD. I get caught by that limit all the time, D'oh! Have a great week. --joe deckertalk to me 18:25, 28 July 2011 (UTC)

Unreferenced BLPs
Good evening, Mr Snowman. I just had a quick look back through the page history because I wanted to see what happened to Tomi Saarelma. I also spotted Marian Fuchs was unreferenced despite it being taken off the list by yourself. User:Mirceap90, having returned to editing after a four month break, removed the reference that you added. A stroke of luck there! Stupidity like that is why I tend to watch articles about obscure players that I expand in some way for a few days. You never know who might edit it next. Regards. <font style="color:#014421;">Argyle 4 Life <font style="color:#4863A0;">talk 20:29, 29 July 2011 (UTC)

AN/I
Please reconsider this. We're being trolled, hard, by these people, and they are relying on good-faith editors such as yourself not realizing they are doing this. 28bytes (talk) 19:34, 31 July 2011 (UTC)

Scott Allan
Hey Snowy, I was wondering could you have a look at this page Scott Allan & give me your thoughts as you seem to create a lot of player pages & I generally focus on season pages. I have substantially expanded the page as you can see here it was previously extremely basic.(PS please ignore Forfar stats inconsistences as Soccerbase is incorrect ,they left out his appearance for Forfar against Alloa I have since emailed them to correct it,Thankfully Soccerway is correct). (&#9733;&#9734; DUCK IS JAMMMY &#9734;&#9733;) 13:31, 1 August 2011 (UTC))
 * Cheers, I made it a bit long for inexperienced player. (&#9733;&#9734; DUCK IS JAMMMY &#9734;&#9733;) 13:59, 1 August 2011 (UTC))

Footballers
The players use a single nationality at a time. If Sergio Barila played for Equatorial Guinea, he is Equatoguinean and not Spanish.--Kolins (talk) 18:17, 2 August 2011 (UTC)
 * He can have dual citizenship, but only imposes one of the two nationalities.--Kolins (talk) 18:18, 2 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Suppose you, Spain vs. Equatorial Guinea, and Barila plays and even he scores a goal. Is he really a Spanish man or, at least, a Spanish footballer? I insist he can have dual citizenship, but the nationality that counts is the country which is full international.--Kolins (talk) 19:06, 2 August 2011 (UTC)
 * The true Spanish players have the option of representing Spain at senior level.--Kolins (talk) 19:08, 2 August 2011 (UTC)

My User Page
I don't know what your problem is with "MY" user page. I think I should have the right to put want I want if its respectful and nothing that will offend people that surely it shouldn't be a problem. Skyblueshaun 00:50, 4/8/11

Okay, I didn't realise user pages were such a issue involving that sort of thing but I've removed it know. Skyblueshaun 01:04, 4/8/11

No problem, Thanks for letting me know.Skyblueshaun 01:10, 4/8/11

Notification - Help
Hi there SNOWY, VASCO here,

1 - i have left a note on Kolins' page, regarding the discussion seen above. I am 100% on your side, let's see where it leads...

2 - can you help me at André Almeida's page? Why is his new club not displayed in box? After you fix the jinx, can you tell me what the problem was? My eyes hurt of staring at the screen (and no sarcasm here, they really do).

Kind regards, happy weekend - --Vasco Amaral (talk) 15:14, 5 August 2011 (UTC)

Football In Scotland task force
As part of WikiProject Football a new Football In Scotland task force has been set up as you edit Scottish football articles i would like to invite you to become a member if you wish. Warburton1368 (talk) 15:34, 5 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Any help along the way would be appreciated. I have noticed you often create articles on teams in past days who have competed for example in the FA Cup. There are loads of these non existent in scottish football who have competed in the Scottish Cup. As i say any help is appreciated. Warburton1368 (talk) 16:43, 5 August 2011 (UTC)

My apologies
I'd like to say sorry for not performing due dillegence (a buzz-word surrounding my club over the last four months!) on the articles created by Alexanderalgrim. I should've noticed that some of them had played one/two minutes in the League Cup and therefore become notable. Can't wait for tomorrow, finally some football. <font style="color:#014421;">Argyle 4 Life <font style="color:#4863A0;">talk 18:44, 5 August 2011 (UTC)

What's the Problem
I just noticed you deleted my content on Bruno Pilas death. I am a member of the Croatian community in Toronto. As such I know people who know him and attended his funeral. How do you source that? Don't be so trigger happy GiantSnowman.

Bruno Pilas
So a lack of a newspaper article will make him undead? Give your head a shake. I have eyewitness accounts. Radio announcement, there are no sources for that. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 174.117.65.72 (talk) 19:02, 6 August 2011 (UTC)

Bruno II
If a person died in front of you you couldn't confirm it unless a reporter writes about it? (scratching head) btw, since you found something I trust you will revert it back to show correct information? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 174.117.65.72 (talk) 19:14, 6 August 2011 (UTC)

Articles for deletion/Overton United F.C. (2nd nomination)
Can you check your comment that they haven't played at high enough level as per FCHD. They were Level 9 throughout much of the 1980s and 1990s. Nfitz (talk) 10:15, 7 August 2011 (UTC)

List of fully pro leagues
I have had to warn the ip user he removed the first division from the list of fully pro leagues again. The whole system is very english heavy at the moment. In your opinion is there not another way forward other than a league being fully pro. Warburton1368 (talk) 17:13, 7 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Could you try and talk to him he clearly isn't listening to me. Im starting to think my patience level is going as i am getting older have to say as im only a few days from being 24 hate to think what ill be like in a few years. Warburton1368 (talk) 17:20, 7 August 2011 (UTC)


 * Warburton the onus is on you to provide acceptable sources if you wish to include contentious material on the encyclopedia. Please WP:AGF and participate in discussions instead of edit-warring dubious material in and canvassing. Thanks, 94.2.38.154 (talk) 17:24, 7 August 2011 (UTC)

Reporting
IP is now using 94.14.78.108, 94.2.38.154, 94.2.51.78 and id clearly becoming disruptive as you now your policies how do i report it. Warburton1368 (talk) 18:45, 8 August 2011 (UTC)
 * I have done that he know has started changing Ayr United F.C. to part time and left he me a message on my talk page i have decided not to reply as he is now antagonising me he also changed list of fully pro leauges again which i have reverted. Warburton1368 (talk) 19:22, 8 August 2011 (UTC)
 * they have said to try WP:DRN but i have replied stating that surely once a final warning has been given a admin can take some action. Who knows. I was hoping to take a few days break from wiki but whilst this is going on dont feel i can. Warburton1368 (talk) 19:57, 8 August 2011 (UTC)
 * I give up admins just don't care anymore. They are turning it back on me. All i want is to contribute to this project but he is really taking up all my time now. Warburton1368 (talk) 20:10, 8 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Whats the point there isnt a dispute really its been discussed on the talk page for consensus but he ignores that piping in periodically but whilst making disruptive edits. I just feel like giving up. Warburton1368 (talk) 20:20, 8 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Dosent matter i have had enough i am being accused of attacking him garnering support and basically everything all you have to do is look at the discussion to see that he is in the wrong but who cares. I dont want to contribute to something when the whole of WP:Footy and the admins in our group aren't interested just to say its notable then not even look at what hes doing anyway im off had enough he can get on with being disruptive. dont want to contribute to an encyclopaedia that lets someone vandalise. Tried to set up the taskforce which he is also accusing of being in cahoots. Anyway i will no longer be editing. Warburton1368 (talk) 20:42, 8 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Cant see me changing my mind Not unless something is done about it. It seems unlikely at the moment. Warburton1368 (talk) 22:38, 8 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Maybe but something needs done soon its tearing the whole good work we all do apart at {{WP:Footy]] just dont see how we can continue like this especially if he starts proding articles again  and we dont notice which is something that could happen if he ip hops. If we dont sort it then its not worth trying to make things better.Warburton1368 (talk) 22:46, 8 August 2011 (UTC)
 * He really should be blocked now i am convinced he probably has been blocked before but unless an admin checks no way of knowing for sure. He is trying to get us to react leaving messages on ours and main talkpages. He already succeeded with adam and if i wasnt trying to stay calm and not deal with him anymore then i would do to. As things go we are more likely to get banned for responding to him than he is. The scottish task force has nothing to do with this at all yet he blames it for everything. Warburton1368 (talk) 22:58, 8 August 2011 (UTC)
 * hes goading me know on my talkpage. Ive told him not to communicate with me again unless at an admin discussion. Unless this is dealt with i will give up just had enough. Warburton1368 (talk) 23:17, 8 August 2011 (UTC)
 * He already has i think on 94.14.62.195 i have let the admin know. Warburton1368 (talk) 00:13, 9 August 2011 (UTC)

DRN notice
This is to inform you that you have been listed as an involved party in a request for dispute resolution made at Dispute resolution noticeboard. Regards, TransporterMan  ( TALK ) 13:25, 11 August 2011 (UTC)

Filip Twardzik
I assume this article is going to be PROD/AFD nominated at some point. So if you want to do it now that would be helpful so it can be resolved. Thanks. Adam4267 (talk) 15:03, 11 August 2011 (UTC)

I think you have misunderstood slightly. I think the player meets WP:GNG which is why I moved him from my userspace to the main space. Seeing articles like Jack McBean and Raheem Sterling made me do this as the article had been in my userspace for a while. Obviously he fails WP:NFOOTY at the moment which is why I think someone would PROD/AFD the article. I will do it if you wish. Adam4267 (talk) 15:22, 11 August 2011 (UTC)


 * Thanks GiantSnowman. I am not really bothered if it gets deleted as the article is still in my user space and he is likely to make his full debut this season. Anyway thanks and we shall see what people say. Adam4267 (talk) 15:34, 11 August 2011 (UTC)

SFL1
Just a quick question if the league was later removed from fully pro and as per WP:Footy wasnt notable would that effect players who have played in the league now and previously or just ones in the future just asked as just asked another user why they were prodding articles for the first Divison and refereed to discussion ongoing but some had played in the division a few years back so at the time it would be fully pro. Warburton1368 (talk) 16:05, 14 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Thats what i thought just wanted to double check. Warburton1368 (talk) 18:15, 14 August 2011 (UTC)

John Mikel Obi

 * The Club career statistics at the bottom is correct the total is just wrong, thats what caused the confusion between you & PeeJay. (&#9733;&#9734; DUCK IS JAMMMY &#9734;&#9733;) 22:51, 14 August 2011 (UTC))

Scottish taskforce new articles
Cheers, for doing that sub-page I was going to do it that way after a few articles had been added but I wasn't sure if we were allowed.So Thanks. Just to let you know I fixed Mikel stats table (&#9733;&#9734; DUCK IS JAMMMY &#9734;&#9733;) 15:07, 15 August 2011 (UTC))

User:Kolins
Hi there SNOWMAN, VASCO here,

this user continues to go at it! He says the SPANISH FOOTBALLERS category (and related) go, they go, even though you advised him not to, and i also dropped a line in his page! For crying out loud, Benjamín Zarandona played for the Spanish under-21s, and started playing for Equatorial Guinea at the age of 27, 28! And he is not a SPANISH footballer?

Attentively, happy week - --Vasco Amaral (talk) 23:26, 15 August 2011 (UTC)


 * Bingo! That one, and Iván Zarandona and Javier Balboa, and i assume all the others that have played for the Equatorial national team. He seems to be saying "talk to the hand", but he does seem coherent. I guess this guy is not an Argentine footballer, oh well... Cheers - --Vasco Amaral (talk) 00:29, 16 August 2011 (UTC)

Should i stay or should i go?
Hi there SNOWMAN, VASCO here,

Sad sad sad! I know i should never have fed the trolls, but does this justify what they are doing in the taunting department? In Míchel Salgado, some "user" continues to remove bits of INTRO, screwing links, etc (see here http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=M%C3%ADchel_Salgado&diff=445022329&oldid=443876991).

In José Carlos Fernández Vázquez, i think it's even worse: some guy, after i reported him two years ago and blocked some IPs/protected some pages for his disruptive editing, is trying to get me to lose it and suffer (an even bigger) block, he's succeeding! He even goes as far as to remove the AEK ATHENS F.C PLAYERS category, his CURRENT club!!

Regarding the latter, i have already asked for administration intervention, have no hopes for a positive reply. Please have a look to some of the messages i sent him explaining what he was adding to the article was WRONG (here http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:86.163.52.66 and here http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:86.163.205.60). Of course, if he is who i think he is (not an AEK football fan, but a vandal who's after me trying me to lose it - and succeeding!), this means nothing.

Kind regards, keep it up - --Vasco Amaral (talk) 22:46, 16 August 2011 (UTC)

Images
If your uploading an image from Flickr do you upload it to special:upload, commons:special:upload here or commons:special:. Also what’s the policy on replacing images for example if a player is at a new club & you want to change the image for newer image rather than one of the player at his previous club? Are all images on Flickr allowed once they're appropriate.(&#9733;&#9734; DUCK IS JAMMMY &#9734;&#9733;) 23:28, 16 August 2011 (UTC)).
 * Ok thanks, seems like there are 7 different license options for Flickr images, I'll just create a Wikimedia Commons account & go for it, still unsure about replacing older images with newer ones though. (&#9733;&#9734; DUCK IS JAMMMY &#9734;&#9733;) 23:45, 16 August 2011 (UTC))

What the hey?
After all the discussions we had, a user (is it possible to see if it hails from Colombia as the other anon user who kept reverting us?) has changed the Quique Sánchez Flores page again. I have started a WP:FOOTY discussion and asked admin help. The account also wrote a serious unref'd sentence in the page of Ángel María Villar - president of the Royal Spanish Football Federation: "He is a FC Barcelona fan" - meaning IMO the refs are "instructed" to make Barça win.

Attentively - --Vasco Amaral (talk) 00:47, 17 August 2011 (UTC)


 * OK, and what about the page move, was that OK on his part after all the discussion, in which he declined to participate? --Vasco Amaral (talk) 01:14, 17 August 2011 (UTC)


 * Don't know if i did it correctly, but posted it here and in this way (http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Requested_moves&diff=445249181&oldid=445249078), hopefully did it right, if not please instruct me further. Cheers - --Vasco Amaral (talk) 01:36, 17 August 2011 (UTC)

Gerard Bordas - Made another friend
I tell him about wrongdoings on his part (i make them too), i tell him about a pertinent discussion, i apologize for any past/possible uncivility on my part...what do i get?

This (see here http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Beachwave&diff=445280595&oldid=445047141), "interesting" no? Regards - --Vasco Amaral (talk) 17:03, 17 August 2011 (UTC)

User:Maxi1992
Hi Snowman, my discussion in WP:Footy seems to have been lost in the shuffle so I figured I'd come to you directly. I'm quite sure this is just the new account of User:Zombie433. He's made edits on the following players: Effosa Eguakon, Jimmy Bulus, Lassana Diallo, Hervé Oussalé and Samad Oppong, all articles that were either made by Zombie (3 of the 4) or pages he worked a lot on. For a "new user", you have to admit that the chances of that are very rare. Also, his whole editing pattern is the same (just adding player names to notable players section of clubs, etc.), makes me more than sure it's him. Worst of all is that he's ruining articles with his pointless of edits. He doesn't bother reading (or ignoring?) the criteria for inclusion for notable players, he just adds players. I've already left him a page on his talkpage but I doubt that it will do much, so please do something about it. Thanks.TonyStarks (talk) 01:34, 20 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Hai, I still don't think it's Zombie, because of overlapping editting times on German and English wikipedia, but it is a very poor editor so far. Cattivi (talk) 11:38, 20 August 2011 (UTC)

SPI
Hi there SNOWY, VASCO here,

i did as you suggested, but it's in appalling condition. Can you have a look please, i'm at a loss... --Vasco Amaral (talk) 16:50, 23 August 2011 (UTC)


 * Really i think it's time for me to leave WP! According to this (please see here http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Sockpuppet_investigations/Xxxx693), User:Scoelho86, who seemed pretty supportive of my work against the Quique Flores nuisance, has edited in the same computer as User:Lombriz de Aguapuerca, one of the socks?! What the hey?! Feeling very sad and confused (as i said before, no friends in real life, still time to make enemies in the virtual world), and the checkuser is not 100% conclusive also. How come Lombriz is blocked and not User:Xxxx693?

I'll back away for a couple of days, keeping Flores' page on my watchlist. My userpage keeps being vandalized by that IDIOT, i have enough mental problems as it is (bipolar) to deal with this. Kind regards - --Vasco Amaral (talk) 00:33, 24 August 2011 (UTC)


 * To complete the cicle, i have apologized to User:Xxxx693 if it seemed i insulted him prior to my page being vandalized, now i'll "go to sleep"... --Vasco Amaral (talk) 00:52, 24 August 2011 (UTC)

List of Bohemian F. C. players
OK, now I'm confused. Last year you supported the creation of the list here as an alternative to the large number of articles on non-notable Bohemians players. What's prompted the change of heart? Alzarian16 (talk) 17:38, 23 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Replied on my talk page - let's keep the discussion together. Alzarian16 (talk) 18:43, 23 August 2011 (UTC)

User:Maxi1992 again ..
Two of his newly created articles, Gilles Ngomo and Koh Traoré have been BLProded. In both cases, he's removed the tag without providing any sources. Both tags are now back in place in both articles but I'm sure it's only a matter of time before he removes them. Please look into it! Thanks. TonyStarks (talk) 03:00, 26 August 2011 (UTC)

Help
Hi there SNOWMAN, VASCO here,

User:Scoelho86 (the guy who may also be the other guy from Colombia that has been on my case, they edited in THE SAME computer) has asked me, from what i understand, what does he need to do to join the WIKIFOOTBALL project. What should i tell him, i'm a bit rusty?

User:Satori Son (also an admin, has been greatly helpful to me in the past) has suggested that, if true they are the same person, he's playing some sort of "good cop, bad cop" mindgame with me, and that i should be very wary when dealing with Coelho.

Many thanks in advance, happy Saturday - --Vasco Amaral (talk) 17:56, 27 August 2011 (UTC)


 * Never mind, dusted off the cobwebs of my talkpage, retrieved your message from August 2008, have replied to Coelho. Sorry for bothering you. --Vasco Amaral (talk) 17:05, 28 August 2011 (UTC)


 * In an unrelated matter, about the Quique Flores stuff: the Colombian anon "user" has taken his game to another level, now resorting to racist insults in my talkpage (he has been given a similar reply, sorry), what on earth is this, he has been reverted in Flores' article by several users and he attacks only me?! Maybe it's because i fed the troll? I only "fed" him when he started vandalizing my userpage!

Again, sorry to bother you, happy week - --Vasco Amaral (talk) 22:50, 28 August 2011 (UTC)

Articles for deletion/Magherafelt Sky Blues F.C.
I don't think you meant it, but the edit sum on this edit was a little misleading :-) Mt  king <sup style="color:gold;"> (edits)  20:30, 27 August 2011 (UTC)

Craig Scott (footballer)
I was going to prod this article as as far as i could tell has not played fully pro or in my opinion passes GNG. Could you have a quick look for me only reason i am asking is i noticed you edited it even if it was just to add a cat but thought i would double check. Just working through the last of Category:Unknown-importance football in Scotland articles to add importance. there is a fair few in it that i am dubious on. Warburton1368 (talk) 22:33, 29 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Odd just came back to my computer for the first time today and went to prod it and the creator of the article has already prodded it. Odd since it was created in 2009.Warburton1368 (talk) 15:25, 30 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Maybe. To many different talk/walls i take it. Warburton1368 (talk) 17:53, 30 August 2011 (UTC)

Error Messages
I keep getting error messages while editing, when I go to save or see preview I get redirected to Wikimedia Foundation Error. General I get it on List articles, but occasionally on season articles. It happened regularly when I was editing the English Transfer list & lead to me stop editing the page but now it starting to happen when editing the Scottish list. I tried clearing cookies & browsing related stuff on my computer but it hasn't helped. Have you experienced something similar as I need a solution as its getting extremely irritating when an edit that should take a one minutes takes ten. (&#9733;&#9734; DUCK IS JAMMMY &#9734;&#9733;) 17:51, 30 August 2011 (UTC))
 * Thanks, I put in an appeal at Village pump (technical) hopefully I get a response & possible solution. (&#9733;&#9734; DUCK IS JAMMMY &#9734;&#9733;) 18:14, 30 August 2011 (UTC))

Thanks - Other
Thanks for the WP:FOOTY reply SNOWMAN,

I seriously don't understand what Kevin McE has against me, another hostile response, even tough i once again failed in the edit summaries per WP guidelines. His WP:FOOTY edit summary (ironic) especially ticked me off ("as you asked", meaning "you want a suggestion, here's your suggestion"), i have sent him a polite but to-the-point message, i find this quite strange (is he fed up with my summaries? Well i'm fed up with vandalism!)

Attentively - --Vasco Amaral (talk) 22:55, 30 August 2011 (UTC)

User:Kolins
Now i think i can "bother" you: this user continues to remove the category SPANISH FOOTBALLERS even though the player possesses dual nationality. Words in summary, as always, ZERO!

Attentively - --Vasco Amaral (talk) 00:01, 31 August 2011 (UTC)


 * Regarding the above message, i repeat (kind of) what i said in summary after i removed it: i gotta cease this behaviour, and improve on my edit summaries pronto, this will avoid problems with Kevin or anyone else. I don't want anyone to get a strange idea about me, which sometimes comes somewhat deservingly.

Regarding your question per this topic, it happened in Juvenal Edjogo-Owono, which leads to the following approach: what players should be allowed to have SPANISH FOOTBALLERS in them? 1 - Those that were born and played (almost or not) their entire careers in Spain but were never capped (although most of them do eventually play int.games for Equatorial Guinea); 2 - the same in 1 but for the guys that did play for the other nation (Equatorial Guinea); 3 - both? - --Vasco Amaral (talk) 12:03, 31 August 2011 (UTC)


 * As expected, he did not reply, unlike what he did to you. Guess i am reaping the result of my (many times) poor choice in edit summaries, can't complain can i? --Vasco Amaral (talk) 14:06, 1 September 2011 (UTC)

Hélder Postiga - quick one
Hi there SNOWMAN,

can you tell me what does the tag placed above this chap's article mean please? I don't understand its purpose.

Thanks in advance, regards - --Vasco Amaral (talk) 00:55, 1 September 2011 (UTC)

Quick look
Could you have a look at these Western Isles official football team, Shetland official football team, Orkney official football team. There not affiliated with Fifa or Uefa. Are these notable. Warburton1368 (talk) 20:25, 1 September 2011 (UTC)
 * My initial thought was no but then i had never heard of the Island Games so i really don't know. Warburton1368 (talk) 19:01, 2 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Do you think i should ask at the main wikiproject. Warburton1368 (talk) 19:23, 3 September 2011 (UTC)

Hobday
TBH if he never played for the first team I doubt any of my GFC sources will even mention him, but I'll have a look..... -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 07:28, 5 September 2011 (UTC)

Tom Purdie
I am wanting to create an article on Tom Purdie he was the first ever captain of hearts. Other than his London Hearts profile and london hearts match statistics and a scotsman source confirming he was the first captain and a picture. There is very little info i.e no date of birth given this was 1875 he played in. Im not sure if i have enough to create and article. At the moment all i could really state was he is the first captain of hearts and played between 1875 and 1880. Is that going to be enough or do you think im wasting my time. Warburton1368 (talk) 23:14, 6 September 2011 (UTC)

Me: Who cares? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.232.132.181 (talk) 23:30, 11 September 2011 (UTC)

Vadim Demidov
Template:Convert or Template:Height ? The first is more complete. Regards Mega60 (talk) 10:02, 8 September 2011 (UTC)

Vieirinha
Hi there my friend, VASCO here,

one of the most vandalized (well, more than vandalized, POV'ed) pages i have ever seen here (the Greek "fans" and their "passion") has brought this novelty: this user added this "charmer" (see here, in intro http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Vieirinha&diff=449084296&oldid=448839265), which i immediately undid on the grounds of WP:NPOV - my only bad was that i should have provided a summary.

Ten minutes ago, i received a message calling my actions rude and unacceptable, "interesting". I have already replied apologizing for the lack of summary, but explaining some of the site's guidelines (not very good at those i admit). Did i do the right thing? Methinks so...

Kind regards - --Vasco Amaral (talk) 11:12, 8 September 2011 (UTC)


 * His posterior reply i have not fully come to terms with, as it seems to make me the bad guy, because he was "expressing his admiration for the player, without any insults" (not verbatim, but he said this), and i just removed it. Quite patronizing/sarcastic response in my humble opinion, and he seems to continue to think i have been rude with all the information in hand; i have re-replied.

Hope this does not escalate, i am not very good at dealing with those situations as you very well know :( Attentively - --Vasco Amaral (talk) 20:39, 9 September 2011 (UTC)

User:Kolins
Hi there SNOWMAN, VASCO here,

lost for words...this guy is relentless and does not write one summary. As expected, i received no reply about the Equatorial Guinea/Spain footballers situation, you were luckier there.

What do i mean with "relentless"? In Julio Álvarez, a 30-year old guy who has lived in Spain since his early infancy - his parents are BOTH Spaniards - having dual nationality, Kolins took it upon himself and removed summarily the SPANISH FOOTBALLERS category. He also added a VENEZUELA NATIONAL TEAM field in box, even though the player has not appeared yet with the team (he has the possibility, but has not so far). He has 28 caps and 5 goals all Spanish youth levels comprised, a bit Spanish no?

Of course i am through talking to someone who shows total lack of cooperation and regard for my opinion. Your help would be highly appreciated or, if you're full with work, please redirect me/the subject elsewhere. Regards - --Vasco Amaral (talk) 00:33, 11 September 2011 (UTC)

Greig Spence
Hi Snowman I think Soccerbase has got his stats wrong. He started with Alloa then moved to Celtic in August 2009 and I think he made his three for them before the move. I don't think he spent the 2009-10 season on loan with them either, Soccerbase are notorious for getting SFL players info wrong. Adam4267 (talk) 19:38, 11 September 2011 (UTC)


 * I added a few more things about his time at Celtic and changed the Alloa career stats season. I don't know if there is a better online stats site for SFL players because everyone I have looked at has some sort of mistake. Adam4267 (talk) 20:07, 11 September 2011 (UTC)


 * Football Manager has 19 and 4 as well, maybe thats where he got it from. Adam4267 (talk) 20:17, 11 September 2011 (UTC)


 * Just been browsing through google hits and came across this he says in an interview he scored his first goal against Queens Park. Soccerbase  who have already erroneously said he played for Alloa in 09-10 say he played one SFL2 match against Dumbarton, but they weren't even in SFL2 in 08-09.  Oh dear. Adam4267 (talk) 20:36, 11 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Sorry to butt in... The SFL confirm 19/4 (their end year for his Alloa career is an obvious typo for 2009). This Soccerbase player is also Greig Spence. He made his Alloa debut on 23 Aug 2008 against Peterhead, confirmed by club site. I imagine the BBC's "three games" is just typically lazy research. hope this helps, Struway2 (talk) 20:38, 11 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Thanks guys glad we've got it correct now. Adam4267 (talk) 20:47, 11 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Or we will soon, anyway... ;-) cheers, Struway2 (talk) 11:42, 12 September 2011 (UTC)

Poopy Pants
Me: Who cares? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.232.132.181 (talk) 23:30, 11 September 2011 (UTC)

WP:SPI - help (again)!
Hi there SNOWMAN, VASCO,

as you requested, filed the report on User:Bruno corinthiano, again left it in appalling display, can you help me out please (what am i doing wrong)? --Vasco Amaral (talk) 15:07, 13 September 2011 (UTC)

Re: Nouha Dicko
No worries. I worked on it in my userspace a few weeks ago since none of us Latics fans had a clue who he was! J Mo 101 (talk) 13:27, 14 September 2011 (UTC)

Gordon Russell (footballer) AFD
Although i personally see some notability in the player given his history with the club. I know he dosent meet the criteria. Would an idea be to redirect to the main article with a list entry put in. He managed the club and he made the most appearances of any player for the club. Im asking you first before i put in AFD as i don't know if you can actually do that. Warburton1368 (talk) 18:02, 15 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Thanks think thats probably the best idea and would be willing to help as im sure others would. I have commented at the AFD as well. Warburton1368 (talk) 18:17, 15 September 2011 (UTC)

User:Bruno corinthiano
He continues - active as of NOW - now with his mostly used anon IP, has removed Michael Owen's ENGLAND B stats for example, i have reverted what i could, have already tipped off user/admin Thumperward. Oh, and by the way, the original account's block has also expired.

Attentively - --Vasco Amaral (talk) 23:06, 15 September 2011 (UTC)

Inapprpriate remarks on ANI
Those remarks, of a sexual nature, addressed to a minor are unacceptable, possible criminal, and can serve only to bring the project into disrepute. DO NOT replace them.--Scott Mac 15:45, 17 September 2011 (UTC)
 * OK, the compromise is fine. I was not trying to stifle the debate - only the superfluous and gratuitous aside. I should have thought to do what you did. Thanks.--Scott Mac 15:46, 17 September 2011 (UTC)
 * You should have thought. Malleus Fatuorum 16:10, 17 September 2011 (UTC)
 * We all should have done what I did earlier. GiantSnowman 16:13, 17 September 2011 (UTC)

re: Interpreting profiles
Oh damnit. Sorry man, I got thrown off. I looked at Martina's profile on soccerway and it said he made 14 appearances. I've been going by nfteams.com and soccerway along with a couple other sources to keep up with all the player appearances. Do you know any reliable sources that would actually work? – Michael (talk) 19:13, 17 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Hey by the way, I saw that you guys agreed to add a college section to the football infobox, I've tried that on a couple of pages and nothing is showing up? Any idea why? – Michael (talk) 21:07, 19 September 2011 (UTC)

Deletion unjustified
I think the values ​​I've done that Ahad Azam, Niv Antman and Eli Elbaz are normal entries like everyone else and not have to delete them. Take for example the values ​​of Shadi Shaban and Eran Rozenbom that did not erase them and no one has these values ​​discussion. So please do not put the values ​​I presented at the beginning. (talk) 23:54, 18 September 2011 (UTC)

Opinion
Hi there SNOWMAN, VASCO here,

can you tell me what you make of this (please see here http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:MrEskola)? In another bizarre twist, now i am accused of LACK OF PROFESSIONALISM due to my approach, and also apparently threatened with further actions! After reading the message and Andrés Fernández Moreno's article, who do you think is more "on the correct"?

If you think it's Eskola - OK i won't take it bad, i'm used to it matter of fact - then i will re-write the storyline again (i have already done so once after an initial exchange with the user in question). Kind regards, ty very much in advance - --Vasco Amaral (talk) 22:30, 20 September 2011 (UTC)


 * Thanks, i have rephrased the storyline of Andrés F. even more :) --Vasco Amaral (talk) 22:45, 20 September 2011 (UTC)

Nomination of Buen Chico for deletion
A discussion is taking place as to whether the article Buen Chico is suitable for inclusion in Wikipedia according to Wikipedia's policies and guidelines or whether it should be deleted.

The article will be discussed at Articles for deletion/Buen Chico until a consensus is reached, and anyone is welcome to contribute to the discussion. The nomination will explain the policies and guidelines which are of concern. The discussion focuses on good quality evidence, and our policies and guidelines.

Users may edit the article during the discussion, including to improve the article to address concerns raised in the discussion. However, do not remove the article-for-deletion template from the top of the article. Jason Quinn (talk) 23:50, 22 September 2011 (UTC)

Peter Fyhr
Not sure what prompted you to create his article, but kudos anyway. - <span style="font-family: Tahoma, sans-serif;text-shadow:grey 0.4em 0.4em 0.4em"> Dudesleeper  talk  12:46, 25 September 2011 (UTC)

Daniel Mudau
What do you mean? A source that says "he didn't make 355 appearances" or something like that? If there are serious doubts that a source is valid it should not be used and that is clearly the case right here. Thuglife99Thuglife99 17:29, 27 September 2011 (UTC)

New article Kevin Holt
Do you think this article runs the risk of being deleted after I move it to the mainspace, as the player is on a part time or apprentice contract while studying although he does play in a notable team in a notable league. (&#9733;&#9734; DUCK IS JAMMMY &#9734;&#9733;) 18:39, 27 September 2011 (UTC))
 * Ok, I will go ahead & move it to the mainspace. Cheers (&#9733;&#9734; DUCK IS JAMMMY &#9734;&#9733;) 18:55, 27 September 2011 (UTC))

Username

 * Yeah just got it changed today. You can still link in from my old username just redirects here. Decided i wanted to remove my surname the more i do on here though it was for the best never intended to use this as much as i do when i set it up. You can only do it up to a certain amount of edits and then they cant transfer it over. Took me ages to think of a username not that you would think that. <font color="Maroon">Edinburgh  Wanderer  18:58, 27 September 2011 (UTC)

Timothy Batabaire

 * You just have to dig a little deeper and use logic. The key here is to find articles that were written between 2003 and 2005 when the player is said to have played for the Serbian club and the wikipedia entry did not even exist yet. Articles that were written like 5 years later or so and claim that he played for Nis likely got their information from nft or the wikipedia article itself.

To avoid confusion the player joined Celtic in October 2004.

This article from 2003 has him playing for Villa, so has this one  from a about year later. This is exactly the time span when he is said to have played in Serbia but he is twice listed as a Villa player. This article from 2004 confirms that he joined Celtic from Villa and not from Nis. . Same thing here. Still no mention of him joining from Nis or having played for Nis at all. Same thing here.  All of his former clubs are mentioned. Except one. Odd...

Also his profile on weltfussball.de has no mention of him playing in Serbia either And if youre still not convinced: Just google Timothy Batabaire OFK Nis and set the custom range from 2003 to 2004.

This is just another case where a website (nft.com) makes up stuff or simply confuses players and everybody else (playerhistory) just copies it.

Cheers, Thuglife99 (talk) 23:45, 27 September 2011 (UTC)


 * NFT stats that he spend with OFK Niš the second half of 2003-04 season, and beggining of 2004-2005. If he joined Celtic in October 2004, he may well have played the 3 matches NFT claims he played in 2004-05 season, as season in Serbia starts in August. He may well have played August and September with OFK Niš, before coming to Celtic in October 2004, so by that there is no proof of anything. He may also have easily been on loan in Serbia, something NFT don´t differenciate in their stats. And of course he played in 2003 with Villa, as second part of seasons in Serbia begins in March of next year, meaning he may well have played in 2003 with Villa, and moved in early 2004 to play those 8 matches in the second part of the 2003-04 season with OFK Niš.


 * Thuglife, you need to find a source claiming he was somwhere else between February and October 2004, otherwise we don´t have anything saying otherwise NFT. FkpCascais (talk) 22:01, 27 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Guys, the article talk page is a more appropriate location for this discussion than my talk page, just saying ;) GiantSnowman 22:05, 27 September 2011 (UTC)
 * You´re absolutely right. I´ll copy/paste this there. FkpCascais (talk) 22:08, 27 September 2011 (UTC)

Antiguoko
Hi there o GIANT one, VASCO here,

did my best in searching for some more stuff for the club's history, but both your Google search and my YAHOO.ES yielded nothing relevant, not even when i inserted in the latter "Historia del Antiguoko - Antiguoko's history".

Only thing i could do was find refs for the things that were previously written (some by me). Hope i was able to help, kind regards and happy week - --Vasco Amaral (talk) 00:35, 28 September 2011 (UTC)

Phil Babb
This "normal" player's article has been subject to serious vandalism ever since i started editing here, was kind of getting used to it, but this i did not expect...why did you remove practical ALL of the international career section, which was ALL (by me, took me a few hours/days) referenced?

Club career was also drastically cut down, as the situation with the golf magazine (the source(s) contain reference to his Liverpool teammates) may i ask why was that info irrelevant (you also removed SOCCERBASE.COM totally, did not even used it as a ref, but i think that may have been an accident)? Attentively - --Vasco Amaral (talk) 01:45, 30 September 2011 (UTC)


 * I understand your point 100% my friend, but "hear" me again: the REF#11 contained mention to his work in "Golf Punk" with (not Liverpool, my bad) his Sunderland teammates, it's not bad to write it, they are also footballers. In INTERNATIONAL CAREER, his own goal against Russia is also documented, why erase it? I am sorry, but i have embraced WP:BOLD and reinstated those bits, and have also retrieved a brand new ref to source his "punditry".

Of course, you are totally correct in removing the part of him hitting his "unmentionables" against the post against Chelsea, that stuff - albeit comic - has no place being in an encyclopedia. Happy weekend from Portugal - --Vasco Amaral (talk) 14:02, 30 September 2011 (UTC)

Afonso Carson
Dude, read official FIFA.com matchreport and find "Afonso Carson". There is only two games in FIFA record this year: the qualification and no friendly. Instead, there is a Idelfonso da Silva (it can keep "Afonso Carson" and move to Idelfonso da Silva if assume the two person were the same, as Idelfonso da Silva for sure pass). Matthew_hk <font color="Blue">t  c  18:26, 1 October 2011 (UTC)

User:Edinburgh Wanderer/Mark Ridgers
Could you take a look at the above user page. He dosent meet WP:Footy but i think he might meet GNG with some of the Published sources. Could you take a look and see what you think. Dosent matter if he is not as will just stay a draft until he does. Still needs work copy editing and a scotland section anyway. <font color="Maroon">Edinburgh  Wanderer  22:42, 4 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Thanks i think he passes GNG too so ill create it. As you say can always be recreated. <font color="Maroon">Edinburgh  Wanderer  21:54, 5 October 2011 (UTC)

Articles for deletion/Dan Vascan
Hi. FYI, I've added six identical articles to this AfD. Black Kite (t) (c) 20:51, 5 October 2011 (UTC)

Billy Balmer
I see you created the original article. You might be interested that www.englandfootballonline.com have changed their bio completely, with totally different dates of birth & death etc. See here. Should the article be re-written? Cheers. -- Daemonic Kangaroo (talk) 18:58, 6 October 2011 (UTC)

??
Hi there SNOWMAN, VASCO here,

really i feel that some people have not an agenda on me but very little tolerance for me. User:BaboneCar, after i contributed in a discussion on a list he created (please see here http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/List_of_Fenerbahce_S.K._foreign_players), did not like my explanation on why i chose "DELETE", and proceeded to do the following after i re-replied (here http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/List_of_Fenerbahce_S.K._foreign_players&diff=454282711&oldid=454272693) Subtle by highly disrespectful. I have messaged him, doubtful he'll reply, judging from this "sample". Regards - --Vasco Amaral (talk) 21:18, 6 October 2011 (UTC)


 * Sorry, again i do this, i have got to stop being such a prima donna, especially when i have alreayd messaged the user in question. Please accept my sincere apologies and sorry for any incovenience, don't feed this behaviour of mine by replying.

Attentively, great weekend - --Vasco Amaral (talk) 21:56, 6 October 2011 (UTC)

Accusation of vandalism
Can you explain to me why you're accusing me of vandalism? How about assuming good faith? El0i (talk) 18:29, 10 October 2011 (UTC)
 * I removed the link as I felt that website is being wrongly promoted on Wikipedia, I also removed references to that website on other articles such as [|here], [|here], [|here] etc. I did not try to 'hide' anything and I seriously object to your continued accusations of vandalism when none was intended. El0i (talk) 18:47, 10 October 2011 (UTC)
 * The case isn't that I don't like the website, it is that it violates WP:EL and so I feel I rightly removed the link, if you feel I didn't do so in that particular occasion then explain why in a civil manner, without assuming bad intent when there is none. El0i (talk) 18:57, 10 October 2011 (UTC)
 * If you feel I made a wrong edit, correct the edit and make me aware of that without resorting to accusing me of being a vandal when it was not the intention. El0i (talk) 19:28, 10 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Well, I can appreciate that, no worries. El0i (talk) 19:43, 10 October 2011 (UTC)

User:Kolins
Hi there SNOWMAN, VASCO here,

he did it again (please see here http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Juvenal_Edjogo-Owono&diff=450309787&oldid=448759705), regardless of our messages, no summary, no nothing! You talk - if you wish of course - with the chap and see if it gets you anywhere, he'll only say "talk to the hand" with me...

Ty very much in advance, regards - --Vasco Amaral (talk) 15:03, 12 October 2011 (UTC)


 * Marvellous! But you be the spokesperson if you will my friend, you have a better "reputation". Go ahead, let's wait for the inputs. --Vasco Amaral (talk) 19:53, 12 October 2011 (UTC)


 * Kolins has returned to active, no reply to you or me, no discussion comment. Will he stoop as low as wait for a few days until we forget, then reinsert all the categories i removed, and vice-versa? Hope not... --Vasco Amaral (talk) 21:44, 13 October 2011 (UTC)

Talkback
Ron Ritzman (talk) 01:26, 17 October 2011 (UTC)

Appreciation - Update
Hi there SNOWY, VASCO here,

Hope you approve of my changes in Óscar Montalbán Ramos - as i said in one of the summaries, Rubio is not part of his name, it's a nickname, meaning blond in Spanish, although it is also an habitual surname - hope you like them as well.

Also, no news in the Kolins front, for now...Attentively, keep it up - --Vasco Amaral (talk) 22:25, 20 October 2011 (UTC)


 * More updates/notification on Phil Babb: i reinstated some info in CLUB CAREER, and why? Nothing wrong with those wikilinks, you click on them and it's clear he won the league with SPO, was relegated with SUN and helped the latter to the FA CUP's last four; even though i am 100% sure he was voted best defender with SPO, i did not reinstate it because i found no refs, even though i tried (found per FORADEJOGO.net he scored an UEFA CUP goal with them, and duly inserted it in his page). Cheerio! --Vasco Amaral (talk) 11:09, 21 October 2011 (UTC)

Avril Phali
I think you probably should know better but please read your sources carefully before so you do not provide false information. E.g. Vaal Ambassadors and Vaal Pros are not the same club. There is also no mention of him him having played in Zimbabwe either. Thx.

--Thuglife99 (talk) 22:26 21 October 2011 (UTC)

User:Kolins
Hi there SNOWMAN, VASCO here,

yes siree, he did it again! Please see this diff (http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Fernando_Amorebieta&diff=next&oldid=456058188), whatever you suggest is the way to go, this user has got to be punished! I have already reverted him.

Attentively - --Vasco Amaral (talk) 22:01, 2 November 2011 (UTC)


 * I have already left my input in your report. As i previously feared, he did just that: waited a few weeks until things cooled off, thought we forgot and resumed his stuff. Not a vandal, but that behaviour is very "poor" on his part (for lack of a better word). --Vasco Amaral (talk) 22:13, 3 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Yep. Those can be the hardest ones to deal with. No admin tool ("big stick") is going to help much here. Drmies (talk) 16:43, 4 November 2011 (UTC)

AfD's
Hi there SNOWMAN, VASCO "here",

could you please help me with this matter (please see here http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Football#AfD_-_User:MYS77)? I'll also drop a line at the user's page, not that it'll do any good i guess, he's been warned before.

Attentively, keep it up - --Vasco Amaral (talk) 20:58, 16 November 2011 (UTC)


 * Appreciate the comment, what i really was looking for is for these two articles i brought forth to be presented to the AFD "commission" please. I visited the field STRUWAY indicated, can't make any of it... --Vasco Amaral (talk) 21:16, 16 November 2011 (UTC)


 * Did it here (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Football/Article_alerts), if it's been done correctly that's another story...Also warned the user. --Vasco Amaral (talk) 02:13, 17 November 2011 (UTC)


 * I'm not sure i follow you...did you JUST REVERT my inputs or did that and relocated them elsewhere? Those articles have to be deleted, players have only played in Segunda División B, some Valencia CF Mestalla kids not even that i think!

Attentively - --Vasco Amaral (talk) 20:00, 18 November 2011 (UTC)


 * Well? --Vasco Amaral (talk) 21:43, 19 November 2011 (UTC)
 * No i have not, i don't know how to do that. Plus, i can't find the articles i presented anywhere. --Vasco Amaral (talk) 23:01, 19 November 2011 (UTC)


 * If you'd be so kind (as always), please propose these for deletion: Álvaro Jesús García García, José Antonio Prieto Hernández, Adrián Lluna, Salvador Ruiz, Carles Salvador and Carles Gil (last four of Valencia CF Mestalla), hopefully now that User:MYS77 has heeded our advice (even though he is not responsible for the Valencia ones, those were the creations of User:Creed7 and User:Kloki92), things will be better.

Kind regards, thank you very much in advance - --Vasco Amaral (talk) 00:15, 20 November 2011 (UTC)

User:Kolins
Alberto Edjogo-Owono, with this simple article name and the title above, you know what i mean for sure...pityful.

Attentively, have a great week - --Vasco Amaral (talk) 21:23, 20 November 2011 (UTC)

Youssouf Hersi
I know Hersi is Dutch. People from North and North Eastern Africa are not black, that is why I removed him from the category 'of Black African descent'. (Esterhase (talk) 17:28, 22 November 2011 (UTC))

Enric Garriga i Trullols listed at Redirects for discussion
An editor has asked for a discussion to address the redirect Enric Garriga i Trullols. Since you had some involvement with the Enric Garriga i Trullols redirect, you might want to participate in the redirect discussion (if you have not already done so). Bridgeplayer (talk) 00:55, 23 November 2011 (UTC)

"Legal concern" for Wikipedia Article http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kashif_Siddiqi
Snowman,

This message is sent on behalf of Kashif Siddiqi and is regarding his Wikipedia page. It is apparent that many of the statements at current are not up to date and false. We have attempted to contact you repeatedly to change and update the information but you refuse to do so and seem to revert back to changes we make.

Wikipedia hold responsibility on Kashif Siddiqi’s career as many employers, supporters and those interested in Kashif’s progress follow via it. Recently, a lucrative deal concerning Kashif Siddiqi’s future was delayed and almost lost due to the fact that Wikipedia and your article held false information on Kashif Siddiqi. I would think that Wikipedia being a very well known place to gather accurate and precise information that you would be interested in ensuring the information you display is correct.

This has now become a major problem and we have been advised that we have grounds for legal actions. We have prepared an amended version of Kashif Siddiqi’s information and wish to replace the current Wikipedia page as soon as possible. We have provided media articles and links to back up the facts we have included. Our team is more than happy to provide any other identification documents or articles that you might require, and we hope we can get this matter resolved with minimal effort.

Thank you for your co-operation; hope to hear from you soon.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kashif_Siddiqi

Kind Regards -- George Brooks Kashif Siddiqi Foundation Marketing Sector Mail@kashifsiddiqi.com — Preceding unsigned comment added by Stevenklien (talk • contribs) 09:06, 24 November 2011 (UTC)

ANI
Hello. This message is being sent to inform you that there is currently a discussion at Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents regarding an issue with which you may have been involved. Thank you. <font color="Maroon">Edinburgh  Wanderer  19:52, 24 November 2011 (UTC)

Deletion review for 2011–12 Hannover 96 Season
There is a deletion review here. Kingjeff (talk) 23:41, 1 December 2011 (UTC)

Removing others' comments
It would be appreciated if you didn't revert my edit as vandalism: it should have been obvious that this was a good-faith error, not something in which my comments should themselves be removed. Nyttend (talk) 00:10, 4 December 2011 (UTC)
 * When you give no other summary than what we'd give for a vandal who does the same thing, and when you easily could have restored the text I accidentally deleted without removing mine, and when I've not heard anything from you, I have reason to say what I did above. Thanks for the comment (no hard feelings); my only question is why you reverted everything instead of simply restoring the text that I accidentally deleted?  FYI, I have a new computer that's constantly moving me to different windows, and I've not yet figured out how to stop it — see the mess I got myself into with edit summaries at JPY (disambiguation).  Nyttend (talk) 00:20, 4 December 2011 (UTC)

User:Kolins
Does this (see here http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Almami_Moreira&diff=next&oldid=459828817) and refuses to participate in the discussions, even though the consensus continues to be THE SAME (BOTH categories remain, the lead should mention only the nation represented).

Pityful, i have ceased all interaction with this person, the "undo" button will speak for me (as in Moreira's case). Attentively, have a great week - --Vasco Amaral (talk) 23:21, 5 December 2011 (UTC)


 * Especially after what i have discovered/added in Abel Camará, come on, doesn't this guy deserve BOTH categories? Kolins is really missing the picture here... --Vasco Amaral (talk) 23:54, 5 December 2011 (UTC)


 * Thanks man, enjoy that wiki-break (albeit with work)! --Vasco Amaral (talk) 21:18, 7 December 2011 (UTC)

Brian McQueen
Clyde official website confirms his appearance here. Cheers, Bully Wee (talk) 16:24, 6 December 2011 (UTC)

Birthplaces
Hello. You're right that WP:OPENPARA says that a person's birthplace doesn't need to go in the lead section. But it also says "Birth and death places should be mentioned in the body if known". So to comply with WP:OPENPARA, when you remove the birthplace from the opening bracket, please would you replace it somewhere appropriate in the body of the article if it isn't already in there. thanks, Struway2 (talk) 09:01, 8 December 2011 (UTC)

Gordon Smith (footballer born 1991)
When your back i was wondering if you could have a look at the stats table on the article I've had to use soccerway, Soccerbase and the hearts profile to try and get an accurate picture but I'm not sure i got it right. He definitely never made an appearance for heart in the 2010-11 season like soccerbase says that was David Smith and they are all missing his appearance in Europe in the 2009-10 season but Hearts clearly state he did. I would just appreciate another person looking at it. <font color="Maroon">Edinburgh  Wanderer  18:39, 9 December 2011 (UTC)
 * Good idea its a shame but more and more I'm finding Soccerbase to be inaccurate with Scottish stats especially for SFL players and Soccerway only goes back a few years and it makes it a lot harder. Im trying to add these to as many of the Hearts players articles especially the young ones who are actually getting paid and may stay at the club. <font color="Maroon">Edinburgh  Wanderer  19:10, 9 December 2011 (UTC)

Steve Kean
Read my comments in the talk area before reverting edits. If you continue to undo these edits. I will report you to Wikipedia for vandalising it's pages!

As i said on my talk page: "Leave the 2nd table alone! It is not doing any harm and as i have already explained to you politely. It is relevent to this season's Premier League and Blackburn Rovers history. If you don't stop undoing this table. I will report you to Wikipedia Watchdogs for page vandalism. My edits are not causing problems. Yours are. I have Blackburn Rovers fans right now asking me what is going on with the Steve Kean page on Wikipedia and are asking me why the Premier League table keeps getting removed. I will continue to edit the Premier League and non Premier League table in the ongoing future. Stop accusing me of things when i am continuing to be neutral 'on Wikipedia' regards Steve Kean's page! I am discussing it. It has been discussed and myself and several other people disagree with you!"RoverTheBendInSussex (talk) 16:41, 11 December 2011 (GMT)
 * I guess at some point you can apply to have him blocked for disruptive editing. --  Daemonic Kangaroo (talk) 16:57, 11 December 2011 (UTC)
 * It's quite clear that the table should include all matches per consensus but seeing as RoverTheBendInSussex is persistent in displaying league statistics. This could be a compromise rather then having two tables &#9733;&#9734; DUCK IS JAMMMY &#9734;&#9733; 17:29, 11 December 2011 (UTC)

If that will suffice until Kean ceases to be Blackburn's manager, I'm happy to go along with it. It's a pity RoverTheBendInSussex won't enter into discussions. -- Daemonic Kangaroo (talk) 18:06, 11 December 2011 (UTC)
 * But the league stats are still unsourced in this table? Mattythewhite (talk) 18:23, 11 December 2011 (UTC)
 * Why are we pandering to his stubborness? Every manager has one table for every game, not two tables, and not a split table. GiantSnowman 20:59, 11 December 2011 (UTC)

ani advice
Your ANI is obviously in good faith; however I'm noting that your replies are starting to get a bit snippy/snarky. You've raised your concerns to the community; at this point is probably best to step give additional editors time to review and analyze the situation. Letting the other editor temporarily have the WP:LASTWORD is an indication of the strength of your logic and a sign of your confidence. Nobody Ent (Gerardw) 13:09, 19 December 2011 (UTC)

Adam Larsen Kwarasey
GiantSnowman, please don't insult my intelligence by claiming my revisions are disruptive. I am 22 years old (born in 1989) and you are 23 years old, let's please be civil about this issue. I'm sure your a nice guy but this is clear common sense.

On the Wikipedia article Norwegian nationality law it clearly states that although Adam Larsen Kwarasey was born in Norway, it does not make him to have Norwegian nationality, it is only because his mother was Norwegian that he had received Norwegian nationality at birth. The same goes as for Ghanaian citizenship because his dad was Ghanaian when he was born, he had a birthright to Ghanaian citizenship just as he did with Norwegian citizenship by his mother.

The category, Category:Naturalized citizens of Ghana is flawed, why in the earth Kolins created this category in the first place is a mistery. Let me tell you GiantSnowman there is really no such thing as Naturalization as a Ghanaian citizen, you can only have Ghanaian nationality if:


 * 1. only one of your parents were Ghanaian nationals when you were born.
 * 2. or if you are married to a Ghanaian national.

You cannot even play for/represent Ghana at any sports even if your Grandparents were born in Ghana, It has to be only if either you were born in Ghana or one of your parents were born in Ghana. There is nothing about needing evidence here, as I can see your not a Ghanaian as I am a Ghanaian myself, please try to do a little research on Google Search for "Ghanaian citizenship & Naturalization law" and then leave me a message to tell me I have no evidence.


 * This information below from the Wikipedia article Norwegian nationality law, clearly tells you that although born in Norway it does NOT automatically give you Norwegian nationality at birth;
 * Birth in Norway

In general, birth in Norway does not, in itself, confer Norwegian citizenship.


 * This information below from the Wikipedia article Norwegian nationality law, tells you that although born in Norway it does not give you Norwegian nationality and that you can only have Norwegian nationality if one of your parents is Norwegian when born, so for instance this was Kwarasey's mother;


 * Descent from a Norwegian parent

A child (born in Norway or elsewhere) acquires Norwegian citizenship at birth if:

From 1 September 2006 the law no longer requires the father to be married to the mother. Norwegian mothers have only been able to automatically pass on Norwegian citizenship since 1 January 1979.
 * the father is a Norwegian citizen; or
 * the mother is a Norwegian citizen.

MarkMysoe (talk) 19:57, 20 December 2011 (UTC)

Administration?
Yes, the January fracas came and went. But it's almost one year; you've gained in experience (of RfAs, to say the least), wider understanding of how the community appreciates a clear understanding of our policies and guidelines, and some minor slug-fests too. In all, it'll be a pleasure to nominate you whenever you believe you are comfortable. Wifione  Message 17:12, 22 December 2011 (UTC)

Gregorio Blasco
I'll do it, but you can see the sources in each of the Copa del Rey Final articles (1930 here and 1931 here). Besides, there are thousands of football players articles, and millions of awards given to them, and there are no footnotes with the links for each and every one of the trophies. Just go to the competition article and you'll see the source.

And Gregorio Blasco won the Copa del Rey not only twice, but four times. I just add the awards in the footballers articles when I create the article of the final.

Sorry for the English... --Itxia (talk) 11:33, 26 December 2011 (UTC)

England under 15 and 16 stats
John Sutton was capped for England at Under 15 and 16 level Scotland have this site. Do England have a similar one.<font color="Maroon">Edinburgh  Wanderer  16:58, 27 December 2011 (UTC)
 * Thats a shame. <font color="Maroon">Edinburgh  Wanderer  17:31, 27 December 2011 (UTC)

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Monegasque - Categories
Hi there SNOWMAN, VASCO here,

i have reverted several categories more (yes, in all cases, i removed the regional category as well, using "undo" or "rollback", but if we reach consensus, it's just a matter of reinstating it - but the SPANISH FOOTBALLERS cat has to stay i believe, no gray area there!). Still many more to revert i believe, nice work!

Happy 2012 to you and yours, keep it up (how's that major going, finished?) - --Vasco Amaral (talk) 16:13, 31 December 2011 (UTC)