User talk:Nigej/Archive

Herbie Hewett
Thanks for your useful additions to this article; they're adding a lot of background information I didn't have access to! I've gone through a few of your additions making a few MoS fixes, but otherwise it all looks great, hopefully you'll be able to dig up plenty more on the cricketers of this era!  Harrias  talk 19:13, 7 December 2010 (UTC)
 * Planning to do Ted Tyler soon. I seem to have plenty of info on him. Nigej 19:05, 13 December 2010 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the info regarding Hewett's probable lack of a wife. Incidentally, do you have more details on the references you've listed for the information you've added to his article, issue/volume numbers, authors, dates: that sort of stuff? I think the article is pretty much of a featured article status, but I suspect the reviewers there will be keen on that sort of information.  Harrias  talk 13:39, 17 January 2011 (UTC)

Great images
Thanks for the great image you added to Malcolm Jardine, and also noticed a good one of George John a few weeks ago. Really good. You must have some incredible books. --Sarastro1 (talk) 21:49, 12 December 2010 (UTC)
 * I was scanning a photo of Vernon Hill and came across the Malcolm Jardine one nearby; both following their centuries in the university match. Jardine gets the whole of the front page of Cricket for 7 Jul 1892. Those were the days. Most of the photos I can find of early WI cricketers are terrible but beggars can't be choosers, I guess. Nigej 19:05, 13 December 2010 (UTC)
 * I don't suppose you have any photos of George Hirst or Wilfred Rhodes? I've lots, but it's impossible to find when they were first published and obviously anything pre-1923 is a no-no! Similarly any photos of Yorkshire cricketers from pre-1923 would be much appreciated. --Sarastro1 (talk) 16:15, 18 December 2010 (UTC)

County Cricket Council
Interesting article but can you please bear in mind that categories are necessary and also that we have an established structure whereby articles are allocated to appropriate sub-categories and not just placed in Category:Cricket or another high-level category. Categories are used by the readers who need them as a navigation tool and they will find your article more easily if you have categorised it in compliance with the WP:CRIC structure. Also, per WP:MOS, we don't use a definite or indefinite article to begin a title unless its inclusion is universally recognised (e.g., The Oval or a book/song title). Jack | talk page 08:08, 16 December 2010 (UTC)
 * I take the point but can't say I found the WP:CRIC page at all enlightening as to which categories to use. I'll take your word about the definite article. Nigej 10:49, 16 December 2010 (UTC)

Re: Hewett/Palairet photo
Yeah, I spent quite a while with some photo editing software trying to improve the image that I had; it started off in much the same format as the one you've uploaded. Nice work with all the images and work on Golden Age articles.  Harrias  talk 14:18, 20 December 2010 (UTC)

Herbie Hewett at Featured Article
Nigej,

I have listed Herbie Hewett at featured article, and one of the things that has come up are your "Cricket: A Weekly Record of the Game" sources (plus a few others) lacking information, such as issue number. Unfortunately, without this, it looks like I might have to remove a lot of the useful and interesting information that you have added. Can you take a look Featured article candidates/Herbie Hewett/archive1 and see if you can help at all. Thanks,  Harrias  talk 22:13, 13 February 2011 (UTC)
 * The quote that reads "made in less than two hours, and was a splendid display of free and taking cricket without a fault" does not quite make sense. Could you double-check it? Cheers! --Sarastro1 (talk) 21:06, 14 February 2011 (UTC)

It does say "free and taking" but perhaps it's worth removing just because of the obscure terminology. Nigej 09:49, 15 February 2011 (UTC)

Couple more queries! This featured article stuff is pretty thorough! Can you find any more details on the images you uploaded, per the questions at []. Specifically: File:OxfordUniversityCricketXI1886.jpg and File:Somerset1892 RedLillywhite1893.jpg. Thanks,  Harrias  talk 21:37, 23 February 2011 (UTC)

Walter Tate
Hi Nigej. I came across a legal notice for a "William Walter Giffard Tate" in the Sydney Morning Herald of 18 April 1947, indicating that he died on 29 December 1946. There are also numerous other references in www.trove.com, the Australian newspaper archive, to a Mr W. W. Giffard Tate in Adelaide social circles between 1892 and 1928. I wondered if you, as someone with a deep knowledge of Somerset cricketers of the past, thought this might be the long-undead Walter Tate, who played a single match for Somerset in 1882, but who is still remarkably alive at the age of 148 on cricket websites? I sent a note to Pete Griffiths at Cricketarchive as well, in case he has access to other records. Kind regards. Johnlp (talk) 00:40, 10 July 2011 (UTC)

Dickens
Hi Nigej, addressing your concerns. Misty Morn has just came up with a brilliant idea.... subarticle, Dickens social opinions and influence, that way, the biography stays encyclopedic, and the sub article covers the issue in depth. Harrison 1979 (talk) 22:27, 23 February (UTC)

March 2012
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Non-free rationale for File:TheCricketAnnual1961FrontCover.jpg
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West Indies cricket
I'm looking at trying to further improve some of the early West Indies articles. I think most of the decent stuff we already have was done by you, and I was wondering if you know of any good sources out there. I have a pretty good "Record of West Indian Test Cricketers" for the Test players, Manley's history and CLR James. Is there anything else on any of the prominent non-Test players. Also, I don't suppose you have anything on George Dewhurst or Joe Small? Thanks. Sarastro1 (talk) 19:41, 20 June 2012 (UTC)

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1 Hole v. 1 Up
Thanks for the note. I apologize for the "idiot" comment. I thought someone was just playing a game. As far as the content goes: I see your link...but former Wikipedia articles should not be considered a source for continuing to list it like that. The official Ryder Cup scoring page has it listed as "Wins 1 Up." I will concede that the non American usage of "1 Hole" may be common...but this is the US version of Wikipedia, and the appropriate terminology should be reflected based on what is used in the US. If this were the UK Wiki, then you'd be correct. But in the US we say "1 Up" http://www.rydercup.com/usa/scoring — Preceding unsigned comment added by OFoley (talk • contribs) 21:54, 28 September 2012 (UTC)

We can go back and forth about this all day...but the reality is that the OFFICIAL RYDER CUP scoreboard shows the score as "1 Up." So why do you want to change it? I will go back and change the other Wiki pages if that makes you feel better...but just because someone else updated Wikis wrong does not mean that makes it right...one person lists it like that, and the mistake gets perpetuated every year. I changed a decades worth of pages, and you obviously went and changed them back. If your argument is that it should say "1 Hole" because the other pages list it like that, then why once they were changed did you still change it? I don't get why you're being so stubborn here.

Again, if the RYDER CUP website lists the score as "1 Up" that's what the score is. As you said, you should use the custom and language appropriate to the origin of the page...and in this case that means you should use "1 Up" — Preceding unsigned comment added by OFoley (talk • contribs) 17:12, 29 September 2012 (UTC)

Tommy Armour
Here's an odd one. I wondered why Tommy never competed in the Ryder Cup so I did a little digging. Anyway the reason was pretty interesting as according to www.ancestry he was still British/Scottish until he got his US papers way down the line in November 42. ALL the usual sources list him as American but his actual naturalization papers trump all the other evidence. We should really correct this, it's more clear-cut than Fred Robson last week, but I get the feeling that any change made will be reverted instantly. What do you think? Topcardi (talk) 21:44, 1 October 2012 (UTC)


 * The rules for playing in the Ryder Cup seem to be difficult to discover. Not sure why. The original "Deed of Trust" made no mention of qualification rules but the US made there own rule about qualification and the revision in 1929 formally restricted players to those born in the country (and resident there). Sometime between then and now it seem to have changed to age 18 (http://golf.about.com/b/2012/08/17/pettersson-a-player-without-a-ryder-cup-country.htm says "As for Team USA, naturalized American citizens are eligible to play Ryder Cup for the United States - but only if they acquired citizenship before turning 18.". Either way Armour wouldn't have qualified.
 * I suppose the second issue is what the flag actually means. Does it mean nationality? What about dual nationals? Justin Rose was born in South Africa but has an England flag (presumably he's British, is he South African too?). Is Heather Watson British? not sure, but she often gets a British flag. Same for Mark Cavendish. There's been discussion about removing all the flags (eg []) but I find then quite useful personally . After all, except in a few competitions (eg Ryder Cup) players are not representing a country, they're just playing as individuals. So in Armour's case does an US flag mean he's an American citizen or living in America or regarded as an American. Not 100% clear.
 * Anyway, to answer the question, the best approach seems to me to make changes to the Tommy Armour page stressing the details of his nationality, putting in appropriate references. Later, if you feel strongly, you could try changing the flags in eg U.S. Open (golf), This has knock on effects. of course, eg List of U.S. Open (golf) champions. Nigej 08:29, 2 October 2012 (UTC)

File:PlayfairCricketAnnual1963FrontCover.jpg
Hi, I'm Sfan00_IMG , I note you uploaded this image, would you mind expanding the rationale so it address ALL 10 points of WP:NFCC ?

Sfan00 IMG (talk) 16:59, 8 October 2012 (UTC)

Difficulty in Ryder Cup editing
Hello, Nigej -- First off, let me say congratulations from this American to you for Europe winning the Ryder Cup, another nice display of putting, simply too much for the USA side.

The main reason I'm sending this message is because I just wanted to mention, this morning I had so many edit conflicts with IP users coming on to the 2014 Ryder Cup article, I just gave up after a while; just as I would be about to correct something, there would be another edit conflict and it would be another mistake that needed to be corrected, and then when I would go in to correct it, it resulted in another edit conflict. So, the only thing to do was just give up and wait until it was all over. So, that's what I did.

I really didn't see it coming, with all those IP editors coming in that hadn't been on there previously. Anyway, cheers and enjoy the victory. Johnsmith2116 (talk) 16:02, 28 September 2014 (UTC)


 * Yes. It's often better to lie low in the heat of the event and then correct things later when the dust has died down. Hopefully some of IP editors may get into the habit of editing and join us - assuming they are ready to make constructive edits. Bit of mystery to me why Europe has done so well recently. I'm sure Tom Watson will get blamed but the media are always looking for simplistic reasons and blaming the captain seems to be the starting point. Nigej (talk) 16:09, 28 September 2014 (UTC)

I see you found as I too found that another IP user taking the flags away on the Ryder Cup articles. We may not know their motivation for doing that, but as you can see, they are repeatedly doing it. Hopefully they will stop after a while. Johnsmith2116 (talk) 14:45, 29 September 2014 (UTC)


 * Yes. Very annoying. Perhaps the same user who's tried removing flagicons before. I don't really understand the problem. Actually I've let the removal of flagicons from the vice-captains list go, but I am keen on retaining them for the teams. I think they're in all 2-team competition pages: Ryder Cup (40), Presidents Cup (10), Seve Trophy (8), Royal Trophy (7), EurAsia Cup (1), Solheim Cup (13), Lexus Cup (4), Walker Cup (10) so just removing them from 3 Ryder Cup pages seems to me to be a pointless exercise. Look at 2014 Wimbledon Championships and you'll see that they're so all-pervasive in the sports pages that removing them is not practical. Of course there are some users who are overly keen on flagicons and they need removing too when inappropriate. Not every reference to a country need a flag next to it. Nigej (talk) 14:55, 29 September 2014 (UTC)

Tom Morris, etc.
"Did Tom Morris, Jr. 'represent' Scotland? I'm not sure he would qualify as Scottish under any of the criteria you list."

Nigej, all golfers can be said to "represent" their country in some form or fashion. Yes, I know it fits imperfectly in some cases, especially for some of the old-timers like Morris. And it's even more interesting because of the UK tradition whereby golfers and some other sportsmen represent their constituent nation (i.e., England, Scotland, Wales, or Northern Ireland), rather than Britain as a whole. But, be careful: the anti-flag icon crusaders are looking for any excuse or inconsistency to attack all flag icon use. Cheers. Dirtlawyer1 (talk) 22:57, 30 September 2014 (UTC)


 * My worry is that by being prescriptive we open ourselves to arguments even more. Simply saying that we have a Scottish flag for Russell Knox because the pgatour does, seems to me to be simpler. Of course it's the same problem whether we us a Scottish flagicon or just say Scottish. The issue of whether we use flagicon or simply a name is a separate one. I'm keen that we agree that we want flagicons (or indeed that we don't) and that we put this somewhere in WP:GOLF so that we can refer to it in the future. This was also the reason I wrote the stuff about where flagicons should be in articles like 2014 Ryder Cup. Nigej (talk) 16:05, 1 October 2014 (UTC)


 * Nigej, you absolutely should make the PGA Tour-specific argument. All of the other WP:Golf regulars should, too.  I edit across a dozen or more sports, about half of which are international and character and use flag icons for the bio infoboxes accordingly, and I view the bigger picture.  I think the present threat to WP:Golf has passed (Tewapack handled it well by starting the discussion at the template talk page), but this will not be the strongest anti-flag attack nor the last we see.  The real issues in this dust-up are (1) flag icons really are overused in certain circumstances (just look at some of the tournament results tables in golf, tennis, etc.), and (b) the anti-flag editors are against them on principle because they believe such overtly "nationalistic" representations should have no place on Wikipedia.  At some point the affected sports projects are going to have to address this issue directly at MOS.  Dirtlawyer1 (talk) 16:52, 1 October 2014 (UTC)


 * I do actually have some sympathy with "nationalistic" argument. The worst "offender" (if I can use such) is the Olympic Games where the nationalistic aspects seems to pervade the whole event, when there ought to be more focus on the competitors as competitors. Golf is relatively good in this area. Players are seen as individuals and their "nationality" is recorded as a point of interest rather than for any nationalistic reason. Thankfully we don't generally go in for national anthems and all that rubbish. Yes we do not curtail the excesses of some editors who want to add a flag to any reference to a country. As I said above the issue of whether flagicons should be used is different from the issue of whether countries should mentioned. Should we have sections like 2014 Open Championship, 2014 WGC-Accenture Match Play Championship, List of European Ryder Cup golfers? Personally I find them interesting and I don't feel they add to the nationalistic element. Nigej (talk) 07:37, 2 October 2014 (UTC)

BNA access
Chris Troutman ( talk ) 02:28, 5 December 2014 (UTC)

TopGolf
I didn't delete it, I just tagged it for speedy deletion...which any user can do, not just administrators. :) Trivialist (talk) 20:50, 19 December 2014 (UTC)

Footgolf
"Not golf"? It seems more about golf than football, being a game that's been adopted by (and is apparently becoming an important revenue stream for) existing courses, and it'd be good to have golf experts putting that into clearer context if possible. Your call, though, if you're part of the WikiProject. --McGeddon (talk) 15:08, 29 December 2014 (UTC)


 * Yes. A close thing. See e.g. Disc golf. Also golf video games. Perhaps I'll change my mind and put it in Category:Forms of golf. Nigej (talk) 15:34, 29 December 2014 (UTC)

Speedy deletion nomination of File:Queen Mary University of London Golf Club.png


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Fixing typos in templates
Please be careful when you fix "typos" in templates, such as your edit to Template:Infobox sports season to change "color text" to "color_text". Hundreds if not thousands of existing transclusions of the template used "color text". Your change, though well intentioned, instantly broke previously working instances. All the text turned black, and was usually difficult to read, as a result. I fixed it to allow both "color_text" as well as the previous "color text". Please be careful in the future. We need to either make sure the old format still works, or go and change all instances to match the new format. The former is usually easier. Thanks.—Bagumba (talk) 04:14, 15 January 2015 (UTC)

James Morris
That was a superb group of edits you made on James Morris. I had no idea he was the son of Old Tom. Young Tom seemed to steal all the headlines! I thought it was neat that he was named after Fairlie. Old Tom must have been very fond of Mr. Fairlie.

Many thanks,

--EditorExtraordinaire (talk) 17:53, 12 April 2015 (UTC)


 * There's much more to be said about Fairlie. Brought Tom to Prestwick in 1851 I believe. Will try to add more when I get the time. Anyway, thanks for all the work recently. I've spent a lot of time creating the 1860-1914 Open pages but have done very little on the biographies. Nigej (talk) 18:47, 12 April 2015 (UTC)


 * Thanks. I plan to write at least a basic article for all of the top-10 Open Championship finishers.  Many of them still lack an article. I hate putting up just a framework for what will hopefully be a good article later but at least it is a place to start.  I think once the article is there at least it can be seen by other editors. If they see it, hopefully they will add good edits as you have. --EditorExtraordinaire (talk) 18:55, 12 April 2015 (UTC)

Errie Ball
Are you sure that is rubbish? I can show you 10 or more reliable citations if you like. What proof do you have that he is unrelated to John Ball (golfer)? You sure are "touchy" about this Errie Ball article! --EditorExtraordinaire (talk) 12:06, 11 May 2015 (UTC)


 * See what I wrote here: Talk:Tom Ball. See also eg http://www.theopen.com/Heritage/PreviousOpens#!/1908/Prestwick about Tom Ball/John Ball relationship. Now there's no doubt that Tom and Frank were Errie's uncle. Errie's paternal grandfather was William Ball, see . Makes no reference to John Ball being his brother. Perhaps the great-uncle relationship is not through the Ball name but that seems unlikely. I'd be interested in any older references to John Ball being related to the other Hoylake Balls. Nigej (talk) 12:31, 11 May 2015 (UTC)

Geo A. Low
Thanks for that data about "Anderson" being the middle name. I just hate it when books have bad information. I changed Jr. back to "Anderson" as well.--EditorExtraordinaire (talk) 17:11, 20 May 2015 (UTC)
 * Yes, irritating when mistakes get perpetuated. As to Jr. I can't find any middle name eg: https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:JBBF-7P6 http://libertyellisfoundation.org/passenger-details/czoxMzoiOTAxMTk4OTQ0NjI4NCI7/czo4OiJtYW5pZmVzdCI7 (may need registration) Nigej (talk) 17:43, 20 May 2015 (UTC)
 * Generally speaking, juniors have the identical name as their father including middle initials. If that isn't the case, then he probably isn't a true junior. I have seen several sources saying he was a "junior" so I think we can assume for now that his middle name was "Anderson", too. And, yes, perpetuated errors are a big problem--not to mention irritating--for those of us seeking the facts.--EditorExtraordinaire (talk) 18:58, 20 May 2015 (UTC)

Bertie Snowball
I just created a new article on Bertie Snowball. Great last name! If you can dig up any more goodies about Snowball to add to the article I would certainly appreciate it. So far I have him linked to the Irish PGA Championship and your article on the Leeds Cup. --Wapiti (talk) 20:04, 14 June 2015 (UTC)
 * Great. I was thinking of doing one myself. There's loads about him. I was even thinking a "Did you know" for him. Nigej (talk) 21:03, 14 June 2015 (UTC)
 * His headstone says "B. Snowball" so you are probably right. I would guess he was "Bert" and was called "Bertie" by those who knew him. --Wapiti (talk) 06:34, 16 June 2015 (UTC)
 * Wow, you weren't kidding when you said you had more info on Snowball. He did a lot in his 28 years of life.  I have a feeling he would have won a big tourney had he lived longer, maybe even the Open.--Wapiti (talk) 13:53, 16 June 2015 (UTC)
 * I think perhaps that his best golfing days were behind him. He didn't seem to play competitively after his return from Ireland. http://cymru1914.org/en/view/newspaper/4242988/8 mentions ill health, so may be something there. Need to look through his performances when at Carnoustie 1914 to see his standard then. Nice that he beat Harry Vardon though, quite an achievement.
 * "GOLFER KILLED IN ACTION. News has been received of the death at the front of Bertie Snowball, the well-known golfer, for about three years the professional of the Criccieth Golf Club. Snowball underwent early training at Bradford, under W. C. Gaudin, professional to tihe Bradford Golf Club. Afterwards he was engaged with the Hawksworth Golf Club, and 13 years ago became assistant professional to W. C. Gaudin, at Scarborough. Three years later he accepted an appointment as private golf tutor to the Earl of Londesborough at Blankney, Lincolnshire, and was next professional to the Royal Port Rush and Port Warwick Golf Clubs. Ireland, but seven years ago, on account of ill-health, he returned to Scarborough, and was afterwards associated with the laying out of the Northcliff Links. Two years ago he went to Scotland as professional to the Carnorstie Club, and on the outbreak of the war he and other golfers joined the Black Watch, and went over to France. He was 29 years of age. Snowball's best performance was some years ago, when he beat Harry Vardon by 4 up and 3 to play on the Londesborough Park Links. His father, Mr James Snowball, is green keeper at the Deepdale Links, Scarborough, and he has two brothers serving in the Army. Local sympathy is felt for Mrs Snowball and her three orphan children, who now reside at Scarborough.

" A few mistakes but a reasonable summary. Nigej (talk) 14:02, 16 June 2015 (UTC)
 * How does Andrew Simpson fit into the story? He just pops in toward the end.  Was he the son of Bob Simpson the clubmaker? --Wapiti (talk) 14:08, 16 June 2015 (UTC)
 * Good question that I don't know the answer to. Appears on Carnoustie war memorial. Presumably related somehow. Nigej (talk) 14:19, 16 June 2015 (UTC)
 * Found this: "Sergeant Andrew Simpson, King's Own Scottish Borderers, Kinloch Street, Carnoustie, joined the army in 1914. He was one of Carnoustie's strongest golfers. He had been in the South African Police and fought in Mashonaland and during the South African war. Sergeant Simpson was killed at the battle of Loos on the 25th of September 1916." Nigej (talk) 14:22, 16 June 2015 (UTC)
 * I also submitted a "Did you know" fact about Bertie Snowball and submitted it for consideration as a DYK for the main page.--Wapiti (talk) 09:07, 24 June 2015 (UTC)
 * In England I think Nigej (talk) 09:38, 24 June 2015 (UTC)

Bertie Snowball

( Back to T:TDYK · Article history ) Did you know that 17-year-old golfer Bertie Snowball, just a kid at the time, defeated the legendary British professional Harry Vardon in a match in Ireland in 1905?

Created by Nigej (talk). Self-nominated at 16:19, 16 June 2015 (UTC). Symbol confirmed.svg This article is new enough and long enough. The hook facts have inline citations, the article is neutral and I detected no copyright problems. I have added Michael W. Parker to the credits and I do not think a QPQ review is required. Cwmhiraeth (talk) 06:14, 19 June 2015 (UTC)

DYK for Southend Tournament
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DYK nomination of Bertie Snowball
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DYK for Bertie Snowball
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Charles Mayo
Was it Chipstead, Kent or Chipstead, Surrey? We need to disambiguate. I don't know the answer but I bet you do. Thanks! --Wapiti (talk) 13:51, 4 July 2015 (UTC)
 * I fixed it ... it is Chipstead, Surrey. --Wapiti (talk) 14:54, 4 July 2015 (UTC)
 * I saw all the ship records where he traveled back and forth from the US to England! He made about 4 trips in a 3-year span. He must have had quite a lot of money to make so many trips. --Wapiti (talk) 19:22, 4 July 2015 (UTC)

Oxhey Golf Club
I started up this article on Oxhey Golf Club. If you have more information to add to it, please do. It seems like it started out as an 18-hole course but now may be just a 9-hole course. Thanks. --Wapiti (talk) 15:35, 7 July 2015 (UTC)
 * Good idea. also http://www.golfsmissinglinks.co.uk/index.php/england/central-east/hertfordshire/569-herts-oxhey-golf-club-herts Nigej (talk) 15:40, 7 July 2015 (UTC)
 * I went to that website and found a great old photo of Ray's clubmaking advertisement. I posted the picture on the Ted Ray article.  May use it on the Oxhey article as well once I find a suitable spot for it. Thanks for sharing the link; I will read it again and see if I can glean more material for the Oxhey Golf Club article. --Wapiti (talk) 16:07, 7 July 2015 (UTC)

Phil Gaudin
Someone recently changed the Jersey flag (🇯🇪) on Phil Gaudin to a UK flag. Is that correct? --Wapiti (talk) 06:57, 12 July 2015 (UTC)
 * Jersey not part of UK. Nigej (talk) 10:12, 12 July 2015 (UTC)
 * Your expertise is appreciated. --Wapiti (talk) 10:27, 12 July 2015 (UTC)

Fitz Boothby
George James Fitz-Robert 'Fitz' Boothby

He certainly had enough names! Maybe that is due to his royal connections. --Wapiti (talk) 09:26, 13 July 2015 (UTC)
 * Probably quite a lot about him and the family around. Be interesting to know a bit about his life. Wife was called Mary and he had a son Eric. Nigej (talk) 09:51, 13 July 2015 (UTC)
 * Yes, hopefully some more facts can be dug up. I am curious how he died, too.  In those days people died from simple infections since there were no antibiotics.  And of course tuberculosis was a big menace to just about everyone. Thanks for your nice additions to the article.  Well done or "bloody good job" as they might say there in the UK. --Wapiti (talk) 10:33, 13 July 2015 (UTC)

James Robb
This is just about the funniest passage I have read in an article in a long time! It is from your article on James Robb. I did a little work on the article myself and hopefully improved it some. Here is the funny stuff that you added:


 * The Times reported that "The 6th is a very long story. Dead against a strong wind Mr. Lingen drove out of bounds, dropped another onto a bad lie on the tee, got a poor third, topped his fourth, and sliced his fifth into a bunker. On the other hand Mr. Robb drove against the fence, played his second backwards, reached some rushes with his third, played his fourth to square leg, almost into a ditch, his fifth into the garden, and his sixth into the rushes near the green. Eventually both were dead in 7. They both missed their putts and halved in 9." The Manchester Courier and Lancashire General Advertiser reported that the play at the hole "was the worst exhibition of golf that has probably ever been seen in a great match."


 * I laughed my head off for 10 minutes! This is definitely good material for DYK. --Wapiti (talk) 08:00, 17 July 2015 (UTC)
 * Yes indeed. I had thought of that myself. Actually it wasn't just the 2nd round 6th. The overall standard of the final seems to have been exceptionally poor. Perhaps nerves go to both of them. Thanks for the extra stuff Nigej (talk) 08:04, 17 July 2015 (UTC)
 * It was my pleasure to add my two cents to the article. I found a good picture of him which enhances the article. --Wapiti (talk) 08:30, 17 July 2015 (UTC)
 * Check out this link, this might be our guy. Possibly born a bit earlier, 3 February 1868 at Cockpen, Scotland. If you think this is good info, you might go ahead and edit the article and use this for a source. It isn't that great of a source, granted, but it is better than just showing a year for birth. --Wapiti (talk) 10:27, 18 July 2015 (UTC)
 * Can't be I think. Sometimes called James Robb, Jr. (Majors of Golf) and father called James elsewhere too. Nigej (talk) 10:40, 18 July 2015 (UTC)

Robert Maxwell (golfer)
I wrote on article on this fellow, Robert Maxwell, just today. If you can find any goodies to add to it, please do. I always appreciate your input. --Wapiti (talk) 08:48, 17 July 2015 (UTC)

Scotland's People
I was approved for an account but still don't have any credits. My account shows zero. Are you having a similar problem? I need to find the DOD for Albert Tingey, Sr. but won't be able to without another resource. Nothing on internet that I could find. --EditorExtraordinaire (talk) 16:38, 10 August 2015 (UTC)
 * Yes. I'm still waiting but I forgot to reply for while. It took ages last time too. Down to 1 credit myself. Tingey Sr (plain Albert) died Feb 1953 (Times obit 27th Feb), Tingey Jr (Albert S) died 17 July 1956 (Times obit). http://www.freebmd.org.uk/ has Albert Tingey born 1869, again no middle name. https://probatesearch.service.gov.uk/Calendar?surname=tingey&yearOfDeath=1956&page=1#calendar has Albert Stanley for the son. Nigej (talk) 19:03, 10 August 2015 (UTC)
 * Thanks so much. I added your info to the article. I removed the middle name for now since we haven't really nailed that down just yet. --EditorExtraordinaire (talk) 19:15, 10 August 2015 (UTC)

DYK for James Robb (golfer)
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Masters Snooker
Sorry, it was an oversight on my part, taking out that one sentence you had put in there. Hopefully it's all okay now. Johnsmith2116 (talk) 14:02, 17 September 2015 (UTC)
 * Thats OK. I can't see why your original got removed. If someone didn't like it, they should have edited it rather than putting in a stupid redirect. Nigej (talk) 16:24, 17 September 2015 (UTC)

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Infobox mystery
Hello, I have a question. In the Presidents Cup info box, do you happen to know why the past year and the next year randomly decide whether they want to appear in the info box? ... If you look at the 2015 Presidents Cup info box, you will see that the year "2013" appears as the past year, but there is no "2017" appearing as the next year. On the other hand, if you look at the 2017 Presidents Cup info box, you will find that the past year "2015" is there, AND the next year "2019" (in red link) is there as well. ... These years appear randomly for some strange reason, and I don't see any way to control it within the info box. Do you know why this is the case, and do you know any way to get it within our control? Johnsmith2116 (talk) 17:21, 17 October 2015 (UTC)
 * Originally the idea was that the "2017" wouldn't appear until 1/1/2016 (as I remember) with the idea that no one would have created that 2017 at that time, so avoiding a "red" link. If someone creates the 2017 page early (i.e. before 1/1/2016 I think) the template doesn't work for the 2017 page. Much too complicated, better just to have the "red" link. Nigej (talk)

Hong Kong Open
I was wondering, is the Hong Kong Open shown live there in the UK? Here in the States, Golf Channel will be showing it to us on a 5 hour delay. Golf Channel will be putting the LPGA women as priority and showing THEM live with their event from Taiwan, instead of putting the LPGA on a delay and giving us the UBS Hong Kong Open live instead. Granted, it would be nice to see both live, but only one can be shown live, and Golf Channel apparently thinks that the European Tour event the Hong Kong Open is not as important to show live as the LPGA Tour event is. How are the sports networks there in the UK handling it? Johnsmith2116 (talk) 17:35, 21 October 2015 (UTC) Did you see the question?
 * Yes, but forgot to reply. I'm don't think LPGA events are generally broadcast here. Sky are the main broadcaster and cover the European and PGA tours. Normally these don't clash. Nigej (talk) 14:50, 22 October 2015 (UTC)

English Amateur Championship
Hello, first I just want to say thanks for your recent edits on the English Amateur Championship. Much of the information I found on the subject was from a book I found titled The Sporting Chronicle Annual - A Handbook of Records for Every Branch of Sport which listed Charles Jaques as a New Zealander. punkkiddy (talk) 15:25, 31 October 2015 (UTC)

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Quick question
Hello, I was wondering of your Saturday TV coverage there in the UK of the World Challenge is being shown live, or on a delay? Here in the States, our coverage of it is being shown on a 3 hour delay. I believe they moved the tee times up to avoid bad weather, but Golf Channel and NBC kept their coverage windows the same, causing the 3 hour delay. Johnsmith2116 (talk) 21:15, 5 December 2015 (UTC)
 * Seems to have been live on Sky Sports 4. Not 100% sure. Been on holiday for the last week. Nigej (talk) 15:41, 11 December 2015 (UTC)

Why did you removed my editings on the Magyarization article twice?
Everything what is written against the Hungarians its OK to you, but when something is written to explain their policy, it bothers you? The whole article is full of accusations against the Hungarians, but when I wrote something, strenghtened with citations too (while in many parts of this article the citations, where the Hungarians are accused, are not to be find, without being deleted by you or others), you delete it? The article writes that Kossuth or other Hungarian politicians were so pro Magyarization, but it does not mention if so, why they allowed in August 1848 that the Romanian members of the Hungarian parliament to elaborate a nationality law draft, voted by the Union commission, which gave wide rights to the nationalities (which was not promulgated because of the destitution of the Batthyány Government in September), or why on the Hungarian money of September 1848 (Kossuth Bankó) there was also Romanian, Serb-Croatian, German and Slovak writing (while in todays Romania, Slovakia, Serbia you cannot find Hungarian writings on the money): https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/3/31/10_forint_1848_o.JPG? Or again, in this article it is nothing to find about the historical autonomies in Hungary for Saxons, Székelys, Croatians, Romanians, cumans, Iaziges, etc., which has no paralel in the history of medieval or pre-modern Europe (http://www.hungarianhistory.com/lib/hevizi/hevizi.pdf, http://adatbank.transindex.ro/html/cim_pdf61.pdf). I taught that nationalism, stigmatizing nations and races is forbidden on Wikipedia... Please do not delete my contribution which tries to preserve the balance in this article, which is highly anti-Hungarian, or else I will complain against you!

Sylvain1975 (talk)
 * Firstly, It is incorrect to say that I reverted your edit twice. I only reverted it ONCE. See the "View History". The main trouble I have is with the last sentence of your edit: "Thus the Hungarian government after 1867 tried in this way (Magyarisation) to prevent further atrocities like these against the ethnic Hungarians, knowing that the Habsburgs can use also in the future the nationalities against the Hungarians in situations of conflict between the two states." I can't believe that this was a significant reason for Magyarisation. Do your references really say that or is it your interpretation? Nigej (talk) 11:34, 29 January 2016 (UTC)

I have to recognize, I cannot find the article I read the fact about that one of the causes of Magyarization was that the nationalities were used against Hungary by the Habsburgs (it was long time ago), but this is obvious that it was one of the causes, because Hungary every time when it was in conflict with Austria, it had to deal with these kinds of dangerous activities, which resulted many deaths and revolts against the state. It is impossible that these events to have no influence on the Magyarization law. Sylvain1975 (talk) 15:00, 29 January 2016 (UTC)

Nigej, please take a look at Magyarization. Sylvain1975 is edit warring and wants to add biased paragraph. Radezic (talk) 17:07, 29 January 2016 (UTC)

Best of...
Hey Nige, a couple of things: firstly thanks for all the great work you're putting in on the snooker world champ articles, it's great to see these momentous occasions being given a bit of care and attention! Secondly, I am confused over the use of "best of" in some of the tournament scoresheets. Where I'm from, "best of 31" (for example) would mean that a match would be played until someone got to 16 and then it would stop immediately. I note that, for example, in 1971 World Snooker Championship we have a "best of 49" in the semi-finals which seems to have been played out entirely (how sad to know you've lost but yet still have to play another 10 or more frames...?!) while the final "best of 73" was curtailed as soon as Spencer hit the magic 37 mark. Can you explain what's going on? I think it may be worth a note on these articles, just in case someone else has the same perspective on "best of X frames" as I do... Cheers. The Rambling Man (talk) 17:53, 29 February 2016 (UTC)
 * I can see from various edits that others are confused too, and me too sometimes. Right from the early days it was common to play out all the frames even after the winner was known (to entertain the paying customer). This is, of course, confusing to the modern viewer. Although we have 37-29 for the "1971" final (confusingly played in late 1970) it might well be that further "dead" frames were played - I haven't got that far yet. One of the most confusing instances is the 1940 World Snooker Championship where the final score was 37-36, leading some sources to talk about a final frame decider. Actually Joe had won the match 37-35 and the 73rd was a "dead" frame which Fred won. In the descriptions I have tried to include both the winning score (ie the score when the winner had passed the winning line) and the final score (after all frames were played out). In the List of world snooker champions article we have a variety of scores (some winning scores and some final scores) and I'm thinking of having two columns. Sometimes good breaks were made in the "dead" frames, since the play was naturally more open. Nigej (talk) 18:15, 29 February 2016 (UTC)
 * Ok, thanks for that. Would it be fair to say that these rounds where the frames were played no matter what weren't actually "best of" in that case?  They were simply "Played 75 frames"?  The Rambling Man (talk) 19:25, 29 February 2016 (UTC)
 * It's a bit of subtle distinction to me. We have the same winner whether extra frames were played or not, so the played-out matches were, it seems to me, still "best of". To add confusion we have matches like the best of 145 1952 World Snooker Championship which was won after 110 frames (73-37) but they gave up the match after 143 frames. And the 1933 World Snooker Championship where the 5 dead frames were played in the evening session before the presentation, but no one seems to have been bothered to note the final score. It seems that the only important thing was who won the match. Nigej (talk) 19:43, 29 February 2016 (UTC)
 * Ok, well I still think that calling it the "best of x frames" when it wasn't, and it played out all the frames is incorrect, wouldn't you agree? The Rambling Man (talk) 19:47, 29 February 2016 (UTC)
 * https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/best_of says "best of" is the attainment of a majority of wins in (an odd-numbered series of games) and gives a quote from 1911 "A rubber consists of the best of three games, unless one side wins the first two games" which implies that the best of three games would normally be over all three games even when one side was 2-0 up after 2 games. I still don't see why "best of " implies the match has to stop when one side can't be beaten. a majority is a majority even when it's 10-5 in a 15 frame match. Nigej (talk) 20:56, 29 February 2016 (UTC)
 * Actually I'm now coming round to your way of thinking. Maybe "Over 73 frames" would be better. Nigej (talk) 07:37, 1 March 2016 (UTC)
 * In fact, I note that you included an explanation in the inaugural tournament article thus: The score in the matches between Davis and Brady and between Davis and Cope are the final scores including "dead" frames. which may be of use in explaining to our readers this odd and inconsistent approach to "best of". The Rambling Man (talk) 07:49, 1 March 2016 (UTC)
 * P.S. Above you said "A rubber consists of the best of three games, unless one side wins the first two games" which implies that the best of three games would normally be over all three games even when one side was 2-0 up after 2 games. but that's wrong. The quote itself says that the dead game would not be played if one side won the first two games.  The Rambling Man (talk) 07:50, 1 March 2016 (UTC)

Projtags, categories
I agree with all your recent WP:SNOOKER project tags on talk pages and Category:Snooker categorizations (that I noticed), other than the ones at Talk:Cue sports and Cue sports, respectively, which I removed as redundant and over-categorization / reverse-categorization. It's the same as WP:CUE and WP:SNOOKER project-tagging Talk:Sport, or adding Mammal to Category:Dogs; it's a level too meta. It makes sense for WikiProject Snooker to be at Talk:Cue sports techniques and for that article to be in the snooker category, for example, since virtually all such techniques are also snooker techniques in particular. But the entire world of cue sports is not a snooker subtopic; it's the other way around. Unnecessary (i.e., not really relevant) projtags are an annoyance for talk page users, and a maintenance problem in multiple ways (e.g. they confuse the wikiprojects' article categorization schema, making it more of a hassle to use AWB on them in ways that make sense, etc.). Backwards categorization is even worse, and makes a mess of the category structure, and defeats its topically hierarchical purpose. Probably the only other project tag that should appear at Talk:Cue_sports would maybe be WikiProject Sports, if that parent project decides that it wants the top-level article in all sports categories tagged as part of WP:SPORTS (in which case we'd put one at Talk:Snooker, too, since we're approaching snooker as a unique sporting culture even if technically a form of cue sport from another angle). — SMcCandlish ☺ ☏ ¢ ≽ʌⱷ҅ᴥⱷʌ≼  06:13, 18 March 2016 (UTC)
 * I'd make a sensible reply if I could fully understand your comments, but I'm happy to take your view as correct. Nigej (talk) 09:43, 18 March 2016 (UTC)

Sports Sidebar
Hello, I was wondering if you'd like to help out on the Sports Sidebar article. The usual editor there isn't active, and the page needs updating. I'll put the link here for you. Thanks. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Portal:Current_events/Sports/Sidebar Johnsmith2116 (talk) 02:25, 1 April 2016 (UTC)

World Grand Prix/World Open
Hi Nigej the debate at Talk:World_Open_(snooker) is still rumbling on. I was wondering if you could explicitly support or oppose my proposal based on your position, whatever that is. Currently there is one support and one oppose and if it stays that it will be closed as no consensus. Betty Logan (talk) 22:49, 14 April 2016 (UTC)

Hi Nigej, an IP split the WGP results out of the article again at the World Open article, so I have started a split discussion at Talk:World_Open_(snooker) to discuss the impact that splitting has on the player performance tables. If the results are going to be split out then obviously the approach needs to be more systematic than it has been. Betty Logan (talk) 14:08, 3 May 2016 (UTC)

Malta Cup/European Open
Hi Nigej, I wonder if I could get your input at Talk:Malta Cup. An IP has attempted to split out the European Open results to a separate article. I think this debate is much more clear cut than the World Open/World Grand Prix results so I don't agree with applying the same logic to this situation. Betty Logan (talk) 21:46, 23 May 2016 (UTC)

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Percy Boomer
Hi, Nigej. I have Arthur Lees' article on my watchlist and noticed that you added Percy Boomer's name to the Sunningdale section. I looked through the sources I have access to in an attempt to find something to use as a source for the article, but was unable to come up with anything. The only club mentioned in any of the sources I can find is the Paris course where he spent most of his career, not Sunningdale. From what I can see, you have access to more old British newspaper sources and the like than I do in the U.S. If you get some free time, would you mind looking for a source that could be added to the articles for Boomer and Lees that mentions his position at Sunningdale? Perhaps The Times or another paper did an obituary when he died, which I don't have access to. Thanks for any help you can provide. Giants2008 ( Talk ) 17:14, 17 June 2016 (UTC)
 * http://www.lamoyegolfclub.co.uk/club_history mentions "After the Second World War, Percy became Head Professional at Sunningdale Golf Club. " and http://www.bonhams.com/auctions/21873/lot/284/ says "Percy Boomer was a well known British professional at Sunningdale before and just after the Second World War," but neither is quite correct I think. Aberdeen Journal - Monday 02 May 1949 says "professional to the Sunningdale Golf Club since 1940 when he fled Paris, where had been professional at St Cloud for twenty seven years." Dundee Courier - Friday 07 March 1941 says the Boomer had been acting professional at Sunningdale during Michael Bingham's long absence through illness and he was then becoming properly appointed. The Scotsman - Friday 10 June 1949 says "A LEES FOR SUNNINGDALE - Arthur Lees (Dore and Totley, Sheffield), the Ryder Cup golfer and Midlands professional champion is to succeed the late Percy Boomer at Sunningdale, Berks" I can add a ref if you want but I can't find anything publicly visible at the moment. Nigej (talk) 18:23, 17 June 2016 (UTC)
 * That Scotsman article looks like it would do nicely. Thanks for doing some deep searching on the matter. Giants2008  ( Talk ) 20:02, 17 June 2016 (UTC)
 * Also found this: Sheffield Independent - Thursday 20 September 1934 "Gift To Professional. At the close, Mr, C.H. Knott, on behalf of the Sheffield Professional Golfers’ Association, presented Mr. H.E. Dean, who has relinquished his position as professional at Dore and Totley, with a canteen of cutlery. His successor. Mr. A. Lees, takes up his duties to-day. The president of the Sheffield Union Golf Clubs. Mr. J. F. Bridge, supported Mr. Knott, and Mr. Dean suitably replied." Nigej (talk) 20:48, 17 June 2016 (UTC)
 * Interesting. I'll leave it up to you to decide whether you think that's significant enough to add, but I do think the Scotsman reference from your previous comment should be added to the Lees article. Giants2008  ( Talk ) 23:06, 17 June 2016 (UTC)

1901 Open Championship
You might take a gander at John Graham, Jr. who shows up twice on the first round leaderboard. Something is awry there. Thanks! --♥Golf (talk) 22:35, 27 June 2016 (UTC)
 * Cheers. corrected now. Nigej (talk) 07:38, 28 June 2016 (UTC)

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DYK for Walter Toogood
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An article you contributed to has been nominated for Did You Know
Go and do something else with your sad miserable life. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.163.71.180 (talk) 09:19, 1 September 2016 (UTC)
 * Ignoring the obvious vandalism of "Make mean Egghead" you seem to think Lisa Thiel is leaving. It's clear from the introduction to Make Me an Egghead (where she is one of the 7 faces) and also from her twitter account where she said, after seeing one of your changes, "According to Wikipedia I'm leaving #eggheads because of my new arrival. Obviously an editor out there's never heard of a working mum!" Nigej (talk) 09:51, 1 September 2016 (UTC)

Take your sad miserable life somewhere else. Vile waste of space. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 217.42.177.7 (talk) 13:31, 18 October 2016 (UTC)

Moving pages vs copy/paste
Recently you copy and pasted instead of moving pages: Italian Seniors Open to Senior Italian Open and Scottish Seniors Open to Prostate Cancer UK Scottish Senior Open. This is against Moving a page: "Do not move or rename a page by copying/pasting its content". You'll need to see Requests for history merge for the fix. Tewapack (talk) 18:59, 26 October 2016 (UTC)

Disbelief, yet...
In this edit you took out a retirement date, saying "can't be true". Yet in the text of Jean Garaïalde it says explicitly
 * "He retired shortly after his final appearance in 1982,[1] although he has since played in several European, Challenge and European Seniors Tour events that have been held in France."

So, yes, 'retired', but playing for pleasure as he wishes to? Perhaps revert that last change? Shenme (talk) 08:25, 5 December 2016 (UTC)

DYK for Make Me an Egghead
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Australian PGA Championship
Hi how are you ?. I noticed you have done a great job adding the list of runners-up to the Australian Open and Australian Masters. Will you be adding runners-up for the above event also please ?. Where are you getting all your information I have been trying to seek this for ages I cannot find it ?. Congrats keep up the good work 178.167.207.246 (talk) 17:34, 28 April 2017 (UTC)
 * Certainly planning to add extra details. Wikipedia is currently terribly weak on Australasian golf. Sources like https://www.where2golf.com/golf-tournament/australian-pga.asp http://users.tpg.com.au/users/robmoski/Australian%20PGA.html http://www.pga.org.au/tourns/pga-tour/event/past-champions?id=1077 give some information on the PGA. I also use TROVE (http://trove.nla.gov.au/) a lot, to check all this out and anything else I can find. Nigej (talk) 17:50, 28 April 2017 (UTC)

OK do you think we could add career runners up totals to players individual pages like we do for tennis players and Snooker players ?. 178.167.207.246 (talk) 18:35, 28 April 2017 (UTC)

For example I know Rory McIlroy has a career total of 20 Runners-up finishes worldwide but there is no mention of career totals on players pages ?. 178.167.207.246 (talk) 18:37, 28 April 2017 (UTC)
 * Interesting idea. Generally we're reluctant to start new features but the player playoff sections have been added in recent years. A couple of us have been adding the runners-up in the tournament pages for quite a while too, so your idea is possible. You should start a discussion on WT:GOLF with what you have in mind. Sometimes there's little response there but if you go down that route no one can complain that they weren't consulted. Nigej (talk) 19:00, 28 April 2017 (UTC)

Adding them would be a great idea i have totals for some players, the only problem is when you have Co-sanctioned events not to count the same event twice but you think it's a good idea ? 178.167.207.246 (talk) 19:15, 28 April 2017 (UTC)

As you say you guys have been adding runners-up finishes to pages which I think is great. Would it be better if someone like you suggested career runners up totals being added ?. 178.167.207.246 (talk) 19:17, 28 April 2017 (UTC)

Do you know where I would find the 1982 kapalua open Runner-up?. I've looked everywhere it's driving me crazy ?. Regards 178.167.207.246 (talk) 23:04, 28 April 2017 (UTC)
 * Struggling there. Not widely reported. http://www.upi.com/Archives/1983/02/02/The-Kapalua-International-Championship-of-Golf-a-non-PGA-event/3443413010000/ says "The event was known as the Kapalua Open last year with Hawaii's David Ishii picking up the $15,000 first place prize for 54 hole of play." http://www.upi.com/Archives/1982/11/11/David-Ishii-of-Honolulu-shot-a-3-under-par-68-Thursday/7291405838800/ (Nov 11) has 2nd round details: "David Ishii of Honolulu shot a 3-under-par 68 Thursday to take a one stroke lead over touring pro John Mahaffey after two rounds of the $110,000 Kapalua Open." So I guess the event finished on 12 November and would be reported in Newspapers on 13 November. Nigej (talk) 06:03, 29 April 2017 (UTC)

Yeah it seemed to be played over 54 holes178.167.156.108 (talk) 13:16, 29 April 2017 (UTC)

Dunlop Phoenix and nedbank golf challenge runners-up
Hi I have full list of both of these events. Will I send them on to you ?. 178.167.207.246 (talk) 20:57, 28 April 2017 (UTC)

Do you want these Runner-up places ?. 31.200.137.23 (talk) 18:03, 3 May 2017 (UTC)
 * Bit focused on the Australasian Tour at the moment but will get to these sometime. Put them here, thanks. Nigej (talk) 19:27, 3 May 2017 (UTC)

1989 Hong Kong Snooker Gold Cup
Hi I put this up on snooker talkpage. I think it is the event you referred to. Should it be added to Steve Davis non-ranking wins section ?. 92.251.132.170 (talk) 13:19, 4 May 2017 (UTC)
 * You're asking the wrong man really. Wouldn't really have a clue. Seems to be a real bona-fine event, even though it was just a few of Hearn's stable of pros. The danger is that people put in really trivial events. Nigej (talk) 14:11, 4 May 2017 (UTC)

Any event that's not exhibition are usually included as non-ranking 31.200.132.76 (talk) 17:27, 4 May 2017 (UTC)
 * Yes. Looks to be a similar level to some of the others. eg the 1998 Red Bull Challenge, a round-robin event in China with just 6 players, 3 of them obscure Chinese players plus Hendry, Davis and John Higgins. Nigej (talk) 17:42, 4 May 2017 (UTC)

Bridgestone Invitational
Can you please take a look at the dispute I am involved with on this article? pʰeːnuːmuː →‎  pʰiːnyːmyː  → ‎ ɸinimi  → ‎ fiɲimi  03:12, 12 May 2017 (UTC)

== Players career runners up finishes added to wiki pages ==

Hi I am going to start adding career totals to players pages to give a true reflection of wins and runners up finishes. Do you support me on this?. 31.200.156.98 (talk) 23:15, 13 May 2017 (UTC)
 * I don't know what you mean really. "true reflection"? We have a list of wins already in most cases. Nigej (talk) 08:05, 14 May 2017 (UTC)

I mean like for example we have McIlroy on 22 career wins, he has been Runner-up in 20 events worldwide I want to add this like in tennis and Snooker runners-up finishes are listed this does not happen in golf, just wins are listed do you get me ?. 31.200.142.88 (talk) 14:03, 15 May 2017 (UTC)
 * I don't see why not, although Tennis and Snooker have finals and so the runner-up is also the losing finalist. The section is usually called "Professional wins" so I'm wondering if you're thinking of a separate table in a new section. Nigej (talk) 14:40, 15 May 2017 (UTC)

I think it would have to be a different section alright 178.167.200.101 (talk) 09:44, 16 May 2017 (UTC)

PGA and European Tour seasons section
Hi I would like to add Runner-up finishes to each season of these tours. At the moment it just lists winners you have to go to each individual event to try and find the runner up. If you look at tennis or snooker seasons again Runners-up are listed.can we look at this please ?. 31.200.142.88 (talk) 14:07, 15 May 2017 (UTC)

For example the PGA Tour 2017 just lists the tournament winners can we add runners-up up finishes to these grids ?. 31.200.142.88 (talk) 14:09, 15 May 2017 (UTC)
 * The only problem I can see is whether you've got room. Too many columns can look a mess. Nigej (talk) 14:41, 15 May 2017 (UTC)
 * And remember I'm just giving advice, others may have different ideas. Nigej (talk)

I want it to look as it does with any tournament with runners-up added they look great 178.167.200.101 (talk) 09:47, 16 May 2017 (UTC)
 * I'm only worried that eg 2017 PGA Tour already has 8 columns, many quite wide. Nigej (talk) 10:19, 16 May 2017 (UTC)

I just done a mock up adding runners-up up after winner in the 2017 PGA Tour and it looked fine it didn't create any extra mess. This section would make things easier. We will chat again about it I gotta go 178.167.200.101 (talk) 10:38, 16 May 2017 (UTC)

Australian PGA Championship
Hi why did you undo the format layout i created for this event ?. I want the stroke play era to match and look like the Matchplay era which is very tidy. Can you have a look to see what I mean. The Matchplay era grid looks perfect. Thank you 178.167.200.101 (talk) 09:49, 16 May 2017 (UTC)
 * I'm a bit confused since I've changed it back so the stroke play era DOES look like the match play era. If you're referring to the nowrap stuff, you need to remember that it might look better for you but might look worse for everyone else. Let the browser software do the work. Try reducing the character size in your browser if you don't like the wrapping (ctrl minus or something similar). Nigej (talk) 10:15, 16 May 2017 (UTC)

Hi are you starting on the Korean Tour now
Hiya ?. 92.251.183.27 (talk) 14:24, 18 May 2017 (UTC)
 * Not really. Just trying to improve a couple of big early season events. Got a bit distracted Trouble is that most of stuff is in Korean and doesn't translate too well. Also loads of golfers I've never heard of, all with similar names. Nigej (talk) 16:22, 18 May 2017 (UTC)
 * Are you the editor who keeps putting blank lines in? Looks perfectly ok to me. You must either have a small screen or a large character size. Try reducing the character size a notch - see zoom under settings or something similar.

I just have a tablet. The grids don't look right for the Korean event I just want it to look like the Australian and PGA Tour events. It's not all in a straight line do you get me ?. 178.167.148.144 (talk) 12:29, 19 May 2017 (UTC)

Korean Open and other events
The reason I am adding the lines is it want the format to follow all other events with the winner and runners up all on one clear line. View the Australian Open for example. Can you do this another way then please ?, — Preceding unsigned comment added by 178.167.148.144 (talk) 12:25, 19 May 2017 (UTC)
 * But you can't do this by editing the page. This might be better for you, but might makes things worse for everyone else. OK you're using a tablet but you could be using a browser, the mobile or desktop version or an app. You can change the settings on the tablet or find some software that looks better to you. Nigej (talk) 14:43, 19 May 2017 (UTC)

I am viewing on desktop all other events look OK. I know what the problem is the winners grid has to be below the image you have added to show the location of where the event is played do you get me ?. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 178.167.187.110 (talk) 13:06, 25 May 2017 (UTC)

My laptop is working perfectly why can't we get them to look like the Australian Open, Masters and PGA events. It's to do with that layout I am talking about — Preceding unsigned comment added by 178.167.187.110 (talk) 13:11, 25 May 2017 (UTC)
 * I'm still confused since for Korea Open (golf) on my screen the "Winners" table ends at least an inch before the start of the "infobox", so it's not an issue for me and the winners table looks perfectly ok for me. Obviously everyone see it differently depending of their browser, character size, etc. I still suggest reducing your character size but you seem reluctant to do that. Nigej (talk) 13:24, 25 May 2017 (UTC)

But look at the layout now it is much clearer you can read the winners and runners up all in one clear line. Like in other events like Australian open etc. It looked all bunched together previously 178.167.168.67 (talk) 12:12, 31 May 2017 (UTC)
 * You still don't seem to understand that it looks bunched together for you but not for me or for others. For me they are all in one clear line. Everyone sees a different table. Have you tried to reduce your character size like I have suggested several times. Nigej (talk) 13:34, 31 May 2017 (UTC)

How do you do that ?. I am using desktop on my tablet. I am not a whizz at this stuff. How come all other events look fine bar the Korean Open?. I have no problem viewing any other tournament they are all perfect. How come the character size is not an issue for all events then ?. Regards 17:19, 31 May 2017 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 31.200.133.198 (talk)

The way you have the Korean Open is on one line but I want to get the name on one line at the moment the names double up and go on two lines from I see ?. Regards 31.200.133.198 (talk) 17:24, 31 May 2017 (UTC)
 * The names do not double up for me. Either you need a wider screen or smaller characters or you'll have to put up with it. Nigej (talk) 17:39, 31 May 2017 (UTC)

I don't have to put up with anything. There is nothing wrong with my screen or tablet. Everything else works fine. 178.167.129.133 (talk) 20:46, 31 May 2017 (UTC)

Made the screen bigger and smaller still the same are you using mobile or desktop view ?. 178.167.129.133 (talk) 20:48, 31 May 2017 (UTC)
 * I'm using a desk-top. Chrome browser. When I have the zoom set to 100% it's looks ok to me. I can change the zoom. When I increase the zoom to 110% I get wrapping, eg "Woo Jeong Hills" appears on two lines. Zoom 125% more wrapping. Zoom 90%, plenty of room - no wrapping, Zoom 75% no wrapping but characters getting a bit small. So there are lots of different view, just by changing my browser options. No need to edit Wikipedia at all. Nigej (talk) 21:25, 31 May 2017 (UTC)

World Cup of Golf Individual event
Hi how are you ?. I have all the winners of the event from wiki obviously. I have runner-ups finishes from 1955–1966. I am missing Runner-up finishes from 1967–1995. I have the results again from 1996–2013. Do you know where I can get the runners-up from 1967–1995 please ?. Regards178.167.187.110 (talk) 13:21, 25 May 2017 (UTC)
 * Try eg https://www.where2golf.com/tournament.aspx?t=to&v=43993 Not always accurate though. Nigej (talk) 13:26, 25 May 2017 (UTC)

Thanks got everyone bar the 1990 event, there is always one. Where would I find that do you know. Thanks for your help I appreciate it 178.167.187.110 (talk) 14:01, 25 May 2017 (UTC)
 * "The Times" has got Stewart on 271, Anders Sorensen (Denmark) on 273. We don't have an article for him. Would be: Anders Sørensen Nigej (talk) 14:09, 25 May 2017 (UTC)

Where did you get that one mate ?. Where do you find those articles ?. I'd love to be able to do that thank you so much. 178.167.187.110 (talk) 14:24, 25 May 2017 (UTC)
 * You can usually get access to The Times through your local library (in the UK). Nigej (talk) 15:20, 25 May 2017 (UTC)

In in Ireland doubt I'll be able to ?. 178.167.207.183 (talk) 22:17, 26 May 2017 (UTC)

Scores for the BMW PGA Championship
Hi Nigej, I am using a public computer at the moment, and I have not been able to get the leaderboard to load at the European Tour website. So, I am not able to find today's scores to list them on the 2017 BMW PGA Championship Wikipedia page. If you have better luck getting the leaderboard to load, perhaps you can work on today's scores? Johnsmith2116 (talk) 19:59, 26 May 2017 (UTC)

Wells Fargo Championship
Hi do you see the layout of this event. It is very clear. The grid shows each year on one line not bunched up do you get me ?. Doesn't it look much better ?. 178.167.168.67 (talk) 12:17, 31 May 2017 (UTC)

Dunlop phoenix
Hi I have all the Runners-up finishes apart from the early years. I looked a Good few places would you be able to help me find them please ?. 31.200.164.182 (talk) 16:09, 6 June 2017 (UTC)
 * http://www.jgto.org/pc/WG02090000Init.do?year=2016&tournaKbnCd=0&conferenceCd=33 seems to have results back to 1985. https://www.where2golf.com/tournament.aspx?t=to&v=50691 has some earlier details. Otherwise it's a matter of going through them one by one, I guess. The Times (10 Dec 1973) has 289 K Yoshikawa (presumably Kazuo Yoshikawa), 1 behind Miyamoto. The Times (9 Dec 1974) has 281 Lu Liang-Huan, 7 behind Miller. 1977: see: https://news.google.com/newspapers?id=WI9AAAAAIBAJ&sjid=4qQMAAAAIBAJ&pg=4822%2C6780929 mentions Kikuo Arai. 1981 see: https://news.google.com/newspapers?id=KMNAAAAAIBAJ&sjid=16UMAAAAIBAJ&pg=2510%2C4173779 but doesn't mention runner-up. Nigej (talk) 16:49, 6 June 2017 (UTC)

I only need 81, 80, 79 now I have the rest. Will you be able to help me when you can please I've looked everywhere. Thanks 31.200.164.182 (talk) 17:16, 6 June 2017 (UTC)
 * 1981: Times (23 Nov 1981) has 282 T Nakajima (Tsuneyuki Nakajima preumably) 3 Behind. 1980: Times (24 Nov 1980) has 284 Mike Reid (golfer) 2 behind. 1979: Times (26 Nov 1979) has 287 Lu Liang-Huan and N Takasu (Namio Takasu I guess), 3 behind.

You are a legend I have them all now I add add a runners up section when I get the chance that is great thanks very much 31.200.164.182 (talk) 17:47, 6 June 2017 (UTC)

Hassan II Trophy
Hi this event prior to European Tour sanctioning is bothering me. You any idea where we could track these results down ?. Where2golf only covers from 2010. Will this one be hard to get would you think ?. 92.251.220.53 (talk) 21:14, 6 June 2017 (UTC)
 * Probably easy enough, plenty of coverage in the newspapers. http://curiousaboutgolf.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/03/history-king-hassan.pdf has some info but is clearly written by someone who doesn't speak english and has a strange style too. Nigej (talk) 07:40, 7 June 2017 (UTC)

I got that myself and some French site I translated. I only need 5 years can you do your newspaper search or library thing you do. I'm missing 2003 event won by Santiago Luna, 1995 won by Nick Price 1994 won by Martin Gates, 1991 won by Vijay Singh and 1976 won by Salvador Balbuene. These Runner-up s are not mentioned in this piece. Hope you can help 178.167.160.88 (talk) 15:02, 7 June 2017 (UTC)
 * 1976 http://www.nytimes.com/1976/11/14/archives/sports-news-briefs-mets-appoint-richman-to-public-relations-job.html?_r=0 "Balbuena had a four‐day total of 289 for a three‐stroke victory over a trio of Americans, George Burns, Curtis Strange and Danny Edwards." Nigej (talk) 15:12, 7 June 2017 (UTC)

Lovely if you can dig out the other four I have them all, from reading that guys article I think Payne Stewart may have been Runner-up in 1991 178.167.160.88 (talk) 15:17, 7 June 2017 (UTC)
 * 1991 Times (25 Nov 1991) Singh beat Payne Stewart at first extra hole, tied at 285. Nigej (talk) 15:18, 7 June 2017 (UTC)
 * 1995 Times (13 Nov 1995) N Price 286, R Chapman 288 Nigej (talk) 15:26, 7 June 2017 (UTC)

Great work can you find 1994 Martin Gates never heard of him and 2003 Santiago Luna. Then we have the lot 178.167.160.88 (talk) 15:38, 7 June 2017 (UTC)
 * 2003 (finished 14 Dec 2003) http://www.gilliankirkwood.co.uk/ercn86/archive/Dec03.htm has 278 Santiago Luna (Spa) 68 70 69 71. 281 Joakim Haeggman (Swe) 71 73 69 68. Nigej (talk) 15:41, 7 June 2017 (UTC)

Is the 1994 one hard to get ?. I'll be sick if we fall one short lol that guy Gates doesn't even have a wiki page 178.167.160.88 (talk) 15:48, 7 June 2017 (UTC)
 * Yes. Can't find any report of the tournament, so don't even know the dates. Nigej (talk) 16:02, 7 June 2017 (UTC)

If we got the date would you get it ?. How did you find the others ?.178.167.160.88 (talk) 16:04, 7 June 2017 (UTC)
 * Sometimes helps. Anyway found this: http://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/130535936 so getting closer. Wayne Westner second after 2 rounds. Seems to have finished 6 November. Nigej (talk) 16:19, 7 June 2017 (UTC)

Yes that looks the date do you think you will be able to dig it out now ?. 178.167.160.88 (talk) 16:35, 7 June 2017 (UTC)
 * Stumped for now. Found vague thing in French "Finally, Gates who with an excellent score of 279 beats the great Swede Robert Karlsson and the American Scott Gump." but not quite sure what that means. Nigej (talk) 16:53, 7 June 2017 (UTC)

It must be Scott Hoch he played in that event. I will add them names and if you find anything else I will change it ok ?.178.167.160.88 (talk) 17:15, 7 June 2017 (UTC)

Yeah in that link you sent me Karlsson and Hoch played in 1994 178.167.221.15 (talk) 17:30, 7 June 2017 (UTC)

For 1997 it says Monty beat Henrik Nyström, Howell and Hammond. I presume the Howell is David and the Hammond is Dornie that's all I could work out ?. 92.251.175.127 (talk) 17:18, 7 June 2017 (UTC)

1982 Kapalua open
Hi can you find who was runner-up in this event please ?. I am adding runners-up finishes to lots of the non sanctioned Tour events recently. Do you know where I would get Runner-up finishers at the Callaway Pebble Beach Invitational and the Irish PGA Championship?. They are the next two I want to add ?. Regards 92.251.169.68 (talk) 14:04, 12 June 2017 (UTC)
 * Can't be much use I'm afraid. https://www.irishgolfdesk.com/irish-pga/ has some recent results. Nigej (talk) 16:20, 12 June 2017 (UTC)


 * I looked at this before and couldn't find anything. US golf is not my speciality. Nigej (talk) 17:04, 12 June 2017 (UTC)

They are all events aren't they ?. What is your speciality?. I try to cover all events. Would you be able to find through your library sources if you can please ?. Do you have a PGA Tour contact I could get in touch with cheers ?. 92.251.169.68 (talk) 17:45, 12 June 2017 (UTC)

Would you be able to try the times for me when you get a chance please ?. I've gone all through that upi archive link it only gives a second round report. Hope you can help thanks 92.251.169.68 (talk) 21:23, 12 June 2017 (UTC)
 * I'm quite keen on doing something on the Irish PGA but will be out of action for a while, so can't do anything for a few weeks, except maybe add the irishgolfdesk stuff. Nigej (talk) 07:48, 13 June 2017 (UTC)

Can you get the Irish PGA from 67–96 by any chance ?. 178.167.180.56 (talk) 15:58, 14 June 2017 (UTC)

Gary Player I found two wins on the PGA Tour site
Will you have a look please it clearly states he has won 5 South African PGA'S and 6 western provinces will you reply when you get this. 178.167.142.80 (talk) 22:39, 14 June 2017 (UTC)

These wins are listed on Gary Player's official website please see 50's and 60's section for these two wins 178.167.142.80 (talk) 23:17, 14 June 2017 (UTC)


 * Gary Player's website would fail WP:RS. If I recall correctly he claims all his Senior British Open wins as Champions Tour major wins. The Champions Tour says otherwise....William, is the complaint department really on the roof? 23:19, 14 June 2017 (UTC)

Would the PGA Tour website fail as well William since they are listed there also ?. Are they not a reliable enough source for you ?. 178.167.142.80 (talk) 23:23, 14 June 2017 (UTC)


 * These sources are all the same one, basically, and probably supplied by Player himself. The list does appear in various places but is clearly the same one, just copied. Golfers own websites are very unreliable generally. Anyway, the main question is whether they are correct or not. South African PGA Championship has the event not being played in 1960. He did win in 1959 (finished 7 February) but Dunlop moved their sponsorship to a stroke play event for 1960. See: https://www.where2golf.com/tournament.aspx?t=to&v=48990 (which is also not always reliable). This has a different structure to us in that it regards the pre-1960 events as being part of the Masters line while we regard them as part of the PGA Championship line. Anyway, in 1960 it has Player winning the "South African Stroke play Masters" with a score of 266 which we have as the first South African Masters. My suspicion is that Player's list which has both "South African PGA Championship, South African Masters" for 1960 is actually the same event. I see you've also added Player winning the Western Province Open in 1959 even though we already have a 1959 winner. The Times for 12 January 1959 says clearly that Henning won on 280 with E Moore runner-up on 282. The 1960 event was played in early March, returning to early January in 1961 - Henning winning again by a stroke from Verwey, so how can Player have won in both 1959 and 1960? Personally I think there's a lot of doubt about these new "wins" and you need to find some better source that Player himself, for me to believe them. Nigej (talk) 07:57, 15 June 2017 (UTC)
 * Please no comments here. Use Talk:Gary Player Nigej (talk) 08:35, 15 June 2017 (UTC)

BTW I have asked you questions above that you have not answered for me ?. Also some events back then on the Sunshine Tour were played twice in one year look at the South African Masters for example. You and your buddy have decided that Player's website and the PGA Tour are not reputable enough to include there stats. It's not up to your hunch to say player meant to add this for 59 instead of 60 you can't talk for him the stats are there 31.200.149.202 (talk) 12:09, 15 June 2017 (UTC)
 * 1) It's true that events were sometimes played twice in the same YEAR, but never twice in the same SEASON that I am aware of (eg 1959/60 or 1960/61). The WPO was played January 1959, March 1960, January 1961. How do fit another one into this? Answer that question. It doesn't make sense to me. 2) As to your other point, it IS up to editors to decide what it reliable or not, by consensus. You have been challenged to find a reliable source. 3) As to your point about the PGA site: I can find many sites which have copies of Wikipedia pages. That doesn't mean that Wikipedia information is more accurate because it's been copied around. Nigej (talk) 12:35, 15 June 2017 (UTC)
 * Go to Gary Player's talk page and continue the discussion there. I posted there with a link to the 2005 Champions Tour media guide book (BTW it was published by the PGA Tour) which doesn't even list any of Player's wins in the SA PGA Championship....William, is the complaint department really on the roof? 14:16, 15 June 2017 (UTC)

The PGA Tour hardly copy from Wikipedia do they ?. Did you receive my question regarding the Irish PGA Championship BTW ?.31.200.149.202 (talk) 16:50, 15 June 2017 (UTC)

Tewapack has now removed Player's 9 majors from his Sunshine Tour section saying they were double counted when in fact they were not if he could count he would see the career total is 164 and now he has reduced it to 155. can someone of you change it back to 164 since they are not double counted you can see this for yourselves. I had already made a note of this on there If it wasn't bloody locked I could do it. This is unreal stuff. 92.251.136.84 (talk) 18:53, 15 June 2017 (UTC)

Wendy's 3 Tour Challenge event
Hi I am beginning to think that the above event should be removed from the "Other Wins" section on players wiki pages. The reason is it contains 3 players per team and is no different to the Alfred Dunhill Cup which also had 3 players per team but that event is not included in the other wins section. The Alfred Dunhill Cup is included in the teams section only. For example I checked Phil Mickelson's PGA Tour guide and it includes 42 PGA Tour wins and 7 other wins which we have included on wiki but it omits his two Wendy's 3 Tour Challenge wins which are included on wiki. His career total on pga Tour is 49 wins wiki has 51 career wins. Your thoughts ?. 92.251.158.155 (talk) 03:16, 18 June 2017 (UTC)
 * Don't really know anything about it, but seems to me that it would be best in the team appearances section and not in the individual wins section at all. Nigej (talk) 07:18, 18 June 2017 (UTC)

That's what I think I will start removing them so will you tell others incase they think it's vandalism thank you 31.200.161.45 (talk) 13:26, 18 June 2017 (UTC)
 * I would add them to the team appearances section at the same time as you remove them from the wins section. Could you write something at WT:GOLF explaining. Nigej (talk) 13:46, 18 June 2017 (UTC)

It might be better coming from you I mentioned on the edits that I spoke with you and we agreed to count as team wins. No one knows me here really. You would be well know will you make a note of that because as I say people may dismiss me lol 31.200.161.45 (talk) 15:10, 18 June 2017 (UTC)
 * Ok. Only I can do too much on the stupid phone. Nigej (talk) 15:13, 18 June 2017 (UTC)

Gary Player Fred Meyer Challenge 1986 wins needs to be added
Player and Greg Norman won the above event with a tied victory with Peter Jacobsen and Curtis Strange. It should be added to Player's other wins section. It is counted on the other players wins section who were involved. But in his "Other Seniors Wins" the Nelson Mandela Invitational event he won in 2005 was a four man team event and should be removed. So the Career total should still be 164. Other wins should total 28 and Other Seniors wins should be 10. Will you do this as the page is still locked. Regards 31.200.130.228 (talk) 12:27, 21 June 2017 (UTC)

Tylenol par 3 shootout
Hi I have found reports that says Trevino won in 2001 with Mickelson second which differs from the PGA career page of Mickelson. The site says Couples won in 2002 and Fuzzy Zoeller won in 2003 when we have Couples listed as the winner in 2003. What will we do ?.92.251.142.177 (talk) 23:37, 21 June 2017 (UTC)

I notice you are back since you reverted some of my edits but
You did not reply to me regarding my questions regarding the Tylenol Par 3 Shootout I have found errors like I pointed out to you. Can you create a homepage for the event as I have found the results for the years the tournament was staged. 31.200.156.146 (talk) 15:06, 29 June 2017 (UTC)

Irish Open
Sorry about the score on the Irish Open page. I don't know what I was thinking. Surely I wasn't thinking clearly. Johnsmith2116 (talk) 19:06, 9 July 2017 (UTC)

European Golfer of the Month
Thanks for adding the EGotM to the ET page. I was beginning to think that they forgot to award it this time. They definitely took their time naming the winner for May. Johnsmith2116 (talk) 10:15, 13 July 2017 (UTC)
 * Yes. The same here. I was surprised when it said "May" and we're in the middle of July. Nigej (talk) 10:07, 13 July 2017 (UTC)

Scottish Open TV delay
I was wondering how you knew that the Scottish Open had gone into a playoff? Does the TV network you were watching over there show the event in real time? Or perhaps you were at the tournament? .. Here in the States, Golf Channel and NBC show the European events on a five minute delay. But also, the European Tour website is with a problem today, so, it was no help either.
 * Actually from Twitter: https://twitter.com/EuropeanTour "Agony at the last with his first bogey of the day." The European Tour website seems to have been a shambles today, or perhaps it's my computer. Nigej (talk) 19:16, 16 July 2017 (UTC)

Website error
The European Tour website shows that Rafael Cabrera-Bello is −4 through 17 holes. Is that incorrect? Johnsmith2116 (talk) 19:47, 20 July 2017 (UTC)
 * Yes but out of date, now finished on −3 (bogey 5 at the last) Nigej (talk) 19:55, 20 July 2017 (UTC)
 * Seems the European Tour website is still having troubles after their recent "improvement". I've been using theopen.com which seems ok. Nigej (talk) 19:58, 20 July 2017 (UTC)
 * Yes, it seems that's the case. Thanks.Johnsmith2116 (talk) 20:00, 20 July 2017 (UTC)

"dash"
Per your revert of my edit, you stated in your edit summary that WP:GOLF uses "dash", but I'm afraid that's a "hyphen" that you've reverted to. Is that what you meant? What I did was to use en-dashes, which WP:MOS recommends. But I'm not a follower of the golf project's subtle requirements, although this is the first time in the history of my time at Wikipedia that I've been reverted on such an edit. Maybe things have changed recently? Can you link me to the golf project style guide please, it may need work? The Rambling Man (talk) 20:16, 24 July 2017 (UTC)
 * I'll take your word as to whether it's a dash or a hyphen. There is no "golf project style guide" per se, just an unwritten convention as to style. Check out any Major Championship, eg. 1939 Masters Tournament (chosen randomly) to see a typical example. There are some 800 of these pages all of which use a hyphen between the round scores. also see eg Jordan Spieth ("Winning score" column) which also follow the same style. There are many many player pages following this style. As to the reason, I presume the logic is to reduce the width of the column. Changing just one article out of several thousand seems to me to be utterly pointless. Discuss on WT:GOLF is you propose a wholesale change. Nigej (talk) 21:07, 24 July 2017 (UTC)
 * No, no need for "equally sarcastic", you said it was a dash, it isn't, it's a hyphen, we have MOS:DASH for that kind of thing. As I noted, it's not just "one article out of several thousand", I've probably changed tens of thousands of articles.  So no, it's not utterly pointless, it's just to get articles to comply with the site-wide manual of style.  I don't need to start a debate at WT:GOLF if there's no pre-existing style guide there, but thanks for the invitation.  By the way, just because there are "800 of these pages", I'm not sure how you know they all use hyphen, and I'm not sure why that somehow makes it "right".... The Rambling Man (talk) 21:13, 24 July 2017 (UTC)
 * I didn't claim it was "right", just almost universally used in this situation (i.e. between round scores in tables). Personally I'm more keen on a uniformity of style than I am to strictly following the MOS so I stick to my view that "changing just one article out of several thousand seems to me to be utterly pointless". BTW It's quite common for style issues to be discussed at WT:GOLF, even when there's no style guide. Nigej (talk) 06:27, 25 July 2017 (UTC)
 * I'm not sure where this "changing just one article out of several thousand seems to me to be utterly pointless" view comes from. We change articles on a daily basis, thousands of them, to comply with MOS.  It's very simple, scripted and compliant with the Wikipedia's style guide.  The Rambling Man (talk) 06:37, 25 July 2017 (UTC)

Masson
I was about to change the Masson score when you beat me to it. .. Golf Channel had said 3 & 2, but the Solheim Cup site says 4 & 2. Johnsmith2116 (talk) 19:19, 20 August 2017 (UTC)

Thanks
Thanks for finishing the FedEx Cup page. I'd have done more on it last night, but I simply ran out of time to do it. Johnsmith2116 (talk) 20:17, 21 August 2017 (UTC)

Well spotted on the Presidents Cup
Nice catch on the 2017 Presidents Cup page, spotting the duplicate listings. I don't know how I missed that. I guess it has been that way for a long time. Johnsmith2116 (talk) 08:04, 22 August 2017 (UTC)
 * Getting near the time now. People starting to get interested in it, I suspect. Nigej (talk) 08:10, 22 August 2017 (UTC)
 * Good point. that's what made me go to the page. ... Since I started the page, I decided a minute ago to take a look carefully and see if it was me who mistakenly put those duplicate entries in it. After looking, I know it wasn't me. So, someone else at some point must have put them in there without realizing that they were already in there. Can you image how funny it would have looked if hundreds of viewers had come along and seen those listings in there twice? Johnsmith2116 (talk) 08:22, 22 August 2017 (UTC)

Thanks
Thanks for fixing my Nine Bridges mistakes. I'm still waking up here and apparently I didn't even notice what I had done when scripting it. Johnsmith2116 (talk) 11:13, 1 September 2017 (UTC)
 * On hols so small changes are all i can do Nigej (talk) 11:25, 1 September 2017 (UTC)

Category:Power Snooker has been nominated for discussion
Category:Power Snooker, which you created, has been nominated for possible deletion, merging, or renaming. A discussion is taking place to see if it abides with the categorization guidelines. If you would like to participate in the discussion, you are invited to add your comments at the category's entry on the categories for discussion page. Thank you. Armbrust The Homunculus 13:47, 7 September 2017 (UTC)

Japan Open image
Would you happen to know how to find an image of the Japan Open logo? I can't find one. I was hoping to add one to the Japan Open page. Johnsmith2116 (talk) 21:13, 11 September 2017 (UTC)
 * Very small logo here: http://www.jga.or.jp/jga/jsp/championship/champ_schedule_en.html Senior Open logo here: http://www.jga.or.jp/jga/jsp/index.html so maybe a better Japan Open logo will appear later. Nigej (talk) 13:34, 12 September 2017 (UTC)

Satellite tour graduates
When a player in the top five of a European satellite tour order of merit earns status in a higher category (by finishing in the top 70 of the Challenge Tour rankings or making the cut at Q School), a Challenge Tour card is given to the sixth-place finisher. For example: on the 2015 Alps Tour, Josh Loughrey finished second but made the cut in Q School. The 6th-place finisher, Matthieu Pavon, also made the cut in Q School, so a card was given to the 7th-place finisher, Andrea Maestroni. This year, Nicolai von Dellingshausen is currently 26th on the Challenge Tour so guaranteed to stay in the top 70. That would be why Stanislav Matuš earned a Challenge Tour card. I'm not sure what the best way to note this on the season articles is; so far, it's never been noted (it's happened in four seasons that have articles: 2015 Alps Tour, 2016 Alps Tour, 2015 Pro Golf Tour, 2016 Nordic Golf League). pʰeːnuːmuː →‎  pʰiːnyːmyː  → ‎ ɸinimi  → ‎ fiɲimi  16:37, 27 September 2017 (UTC)
 * I'd noticed that 2015 Pro Golf Tour was wrong, in that http://www.europeantour.com/challengetour/season=2016/tournamentid=2016710/news/newsid=287126.html mentions Robin Kind, sort of explained here: http://www.pga.de/progolftour-gb-past-ofm-champions.html Nigej (talk) 19:12, 27 September 2017 (UTC)

Alternative theory: Max Schmitt is an amateur. He might be counted in addition to the top 5 professionals, making 6 graduates (in which case number 7 will get a card because of von Dellingshausen). pʰeːnuːmuː →‎  pʰiːnyːmyː  → ‎ ɸinimi  → ‎ fiɲimi  06:23, 29 September 2017 (UTC)
 * No idea really as to the details. Not even sure whether Schmitt will play on the Challenge Tour this year. I'm hoping that you'll do some clever colour-coding for these 3rd tier tours, like you do for the others. Nigej (talk) 07:03, 29 September 2017 (UTC)
 * Okay, I'm not quite sure what you're referring to. pʰeːnuːmuː  →‎  pʰiːnyːmyː  → ‎ ɸinimi  → ‎ fiɲimi  15:41, 29 September 2017 (UTC)
 * I was thinking of pages like 2015 Challenge Tour graduates which are full of lovely colours. Can't we have something similar. Nigej (talk) 15:44, 29 September 2017 (UTC)
 * I can't take credit for the coloring (that was apparently originally developed by Michfan2123 and CrazyC83), but I actually have a user page that sounds like what you're describing: User:Phinumu/Satellite tours. pʰeːnuːmuː  →‎  pʰiːnyːmyː  → ‎ ɸinimi  → ‎ fiɲimi  16:17, 29 September 2017 (UTC)
 * I was imagining using colours to indicate how they graduated (rather than the suffices on your page). Nigej (talk) 16:52, 29 September 2017 (UTC)

Okay, how about expanding the table to the top 10 and taking a page from Wikipedia's soccer coverage: These examples don't cover the possibility of a player finishing in the top 70 of the Challenge Tour rankings, but could be used for top 15 and the darker green for 16–70. I'm using "promoted" for promotion based on earnings and "qualified" for promotion through Q School. pʰeːnuːmuː →‎  pʰiːnyːmyː  → ‎ ɸinimi  → ‎ fiɲimi  17:34, 29 September 2017 (UTC)
 * Seems excellent to me. I wasn't imagining down to 10, but honestly I don't see why not. All good content. Nigej (talk) 19:47, 29 September 2017 (UTC)

Open Draft - Augusto Núñez
I see you did some cleanup on a few golf pages I created. I have another that is an open draft so feel free to add anything you want prior to me moving live - User:CNMall41/Augusto Núñez. --CNMall41 (talk) 23:01, 27 September 2017 (UTC)

Nicolas Colsaerts
What was "botched" in my edit? Fram (talk) 08:53, 2 October 2017 (UTC)


 * Okay, I now saw it, I have corrected it. Fram (talk) 08:54, 2 October 2017 (UTC)

NBO Oman Golf Classic
This event has been on the Challenge Tour, and now it will be on the European Tour. A couple questions: Is there a way to know if it is the same tournament, or a different one? And, if it is the same event, will it be a dual ranking event like the Madeira Islands Open, or will it be having its status elevated like the Corales Puntacana Resort and Club Championship? Johnsmith2116 (talk) 21:07, 2 October 2017 (UTC)
 * It won't be dual-ranked. The prize fund is equivalent to the Qatar Masters at $1.75 million (though that tournament's prize fund is decreasing from $2.5 million), which should be enough to give the winner a two-year exemption. I think that unless it's explicitly stated to be the same event, we should treat it separately. The National Bank of Oman Golf Classic hasn't been held since 2014; instead, since 2015, the Challenge Tour Grand Final has been staged in Oman under the name NBO Golf Classic Grand Final. I think it's best to consider this tournament to be a new event, rather than a continuation of one on a different tour that hasn't actually been held for three years. pʰeːnuːmuː  →‎  pʰiːnyːmyː  → ‎ ɸinimi  → ‎ fiɲimi  16:44, 4 October 2017 (UTC)

Nomination of Dartmoor Discovery for deletion
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Jon Rahm
About Jon Rahm, in your view, do you think that his stats on his Wikipedia page has a properly color coded box for his European Tour victories? Johnsmith2116 (talk) 00:42, 20 November 2017 (UTC)
 * Colors seem to match those in 2017 European Tour. Problem, I suppose, is that it's both the Tour Championship and a Rolex Series event. Not really sure how to resolve that. It says "The DP World Tour Championship is also a Rolex Series tournament." but these notes can be quite confusing for readers. Nigej (talk) 08:20, 20 November 2017 (UTC)
 * Thanks. Yes it can get a little confusing for those not used to knowing the difference. But it looks like it will stay the way it is, unless someone else raises an issue with it. Johnsmith2116 (talk) 13:21, 22 November 2017 (UTC)

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Thank you for all you've done to enhance and protect Wikipedia's golf articles. The ongoing attempt to change the name of The Players Championship (with the stated purposes to change the name of The Open Championship) is such an attempted action resulting in a need for both protection and a common-sense voice. You provide those, so thanks again. Randy Kryn (talk) 13:57, 2 December 2017 (UTC)

Thanks from me, too
Thanks for fixing me entry on Frittelli's page. Specifically the part where you entered 2018, it was simply an oversight on my part. Johnsmith2116 (talk) 12:47, 3 December 2017 (UTC)

DYK for Paddy Mahon needs attention
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Irish Seniors Masters draw
Hi how are you can you create a homepage for the above event please?. I will add the draw then I know it. Is that ok please ?. Regards — Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.251.194.41 (talk) 22:22, 11 December 2017 (UTC)

Golf - adding Runners-up finishes to players Wikipedia pages.
Hi I just noticed all players on the OWGR website have career wins and Runners-up finishes listed. Which is great news. Can we start adding them to players pages in the new year?. It would take awhile but it's a project I think needs looking at. The older players would be harder but we can add up their Runners-up in tour events and non tour events. If you look at Snooker, finals are getting added all the time and past players pages are constantly being updated with this type of info. Tell me what you think ?. 178.167.207.115 (talk) 20:20, 23 December 2017 (UTC)
 * This has come up before. in Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Golf/Archive_5, and there seemed to be some hostility to the idea. The Snooker (or Tennis and Darts) parallel is not relevant since 99% of tournaments are stroke-play and there is no final. In addition there seems little point in simply replicating something that's available on the OWGR site. We're just picking out the most important things. Also there is some feeling that there are enough stats already, what we need is more descriptive text. So, you can gather that I'm not keen to get involved. Just my thoughts. Nigej (talk) 21:20, 23 December 2017 (UTC)

It doesn't matter if there is no final. Finishing second in golf is a runner-up finish the same as in Snooker, Tennis and Darts. I would just like to give career totals not list all the individual results. Just to give career totals Would that be possible?. 178.167.201.181 (talk) 00:24, 24 December 2017 (UTC)
 * It seems to matter to some people. Anyway, just giving totals with no indication where the numbers come from is even less likely to be popular. Wold need references. Nigej (talk) 08:28, 26 December 2017 (UTC)

But if you don't want them listed ill have to post totals it would have to be one or the other really ?. McIlroy has 21 runners up finishes to date if you don't want them all listed could I not indicate totals ie say PGA tour=10, euro tour= 9 Asian tour= 2 whatever it would be. Would that be ok then ?. To indicate the totals and update them after events it's done for the PGA and European Tour events so why not career totals ?. 178.167.142.215 (talk) 13:42, 27 December 2017 (UTC)

DYK nomination of Paddy Mahon
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Is cuetracker blacklisted for adding tournament wins ?
In Snooker cuetracker.net has some events that Chris Turner does not have and that site is the only source for the tournament. Does that mean it cannot be added because Cuetracker.net is blacklisted ?. What other sources are blacklisted please ?. Regards — Preceding unsigned comment added by 31.200.137.180 (talk) 15:58, 28 December 2017 (UTC)
 * The list is here: MediaWiki:Spam-blacklist. It includes: cuetracker.net, snookerinfo.webs.com, prosnookerblog.com, snookerstatistics.webs.com. Personally I'm not at all keen on treating cuetracker as blacklisted but it's been done against my wishes. It counts as a self-published source which the petty bureaucracy are not keen on. To me the main problem was that people were using career stats from it when it's clear that cuetracker is incomplete. At to how to proceed I can't really give any advice. Strictly speaking if that's your only source then it shouldn't be added. However people are still using it, that's clear, they just can't reference it. Nigej (talk) 16:24, 28 December 2017 (UTC)

I couldn't read that list to be honest. It's just fan sites so is YouTube videos still ok. I found old finals with players lifting cups and all that from old finals. Can we reference that stuff still ?. Regards 31.200.137.180 (talk) 16:30, 28 December 2017 (UTC)

Hi are videos still ok please ? Regards 31.200.137.180 (talk) 16:39, 28 December 2017 (UTC)

Hi are YouTube videos still ok to use please ?.
Hi can you let me know if the above are still ok ?. Did you view that list of banned items it was hard to make anything out do I need To view in another format ?. Regards 31.200.137.180 (talk) 17:01, 28 December 2017 (UTC)
 * See WP:YOUTUBE for youtube. I know the blacklist page is in a funny format. I think the 4 sites I listed above are the only snooker sites on it. Nigej (talk) 17:10, 28 December 2017 (UTC)

So YouTube is ok to use then reading between the lines ok ?. I've added videos before no problem I'm doing lots of old finals etc. So that is ok then ?. Regards 31.200.137.180 (talk) 17:15, 28 December 2017 (UTC)
 * You're asking the wrong person. I'm no expert in this area. Nigej (talk) 17:21, 28 December 2017 (UTC)

I'm just asking if people will have a problem with it ?. It gives the results of a missing final ok ?. It's not on the blacklisted list and I can add if I want right ?. Also I notice clips on some players pages anyway .31.200.137.180 (talk) 22:05, 28 December 2017 (UTC)
 * I know what you're asking, I just don't know the answer. Seems ok to me, but I'm no expert so don't take my word for it. Nigej (talk) 22:20, 28 December 2017 (UTC)

Ok who do you think I should ask ?. Just curious ?. I'm going to add it anyway it seems to be the only reference available to prove the event took place so it has to be used really. Regards 31.200.137.180 (talk) 22:45, 28 December 2017 (UTC)

DYK for Paddy Mahon
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Thanks
Thanks for fixing my mistake on the 2018 European Tour page. Actually, I didn't mean to put "TBA" in the location slot. I had copy and pasted from another page, and I simply forgot to take the "TBA" out. Johnsmith2116 (talk) 13:34, 2 January 2018 (UTC)
 * Seems like the Fiji International is on too: http://www.europeantour.com/europeantour/season=2017/tournamentid=2017068/news/newsid=339421.html Nigej (talk) 13:36, 2 January 2018 (UTC)
 * Yes, I added it. Funny though, when I saw the link you posted above, I initially thought it was a mistake, because it has "2017" in it. Strange that it would have that when it's a new article. Johnsmith2116 (talk) 13:53, 2 January 2018 (UTC)

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I was seconds away from adding the talk page to the World Cup of Golf, when I found you had beaten me to it. Johnsmith2116 (talk) 20:48, 5 January 2018 (UTC)

EurAsia Cup TV times
What does your TV schedule show for the EurAsia Cup? Here, the times are peculiar in the sense that it seems to finish a little early each day. My schedule shows 11:00 PM to 2:00 AM (4:00 to 7:00 AM your time). Do you get any more coverage than that, later into the day? For me, it seems a little early to finish. I would have thought that it would go another couple of hours into the day. Johnsmith2116 (talk) 18:04, 8 January 2018 (UTC)
 * http://www.skysports.com/watch/golf-on-sky seems to show 03:30 to 10:00 http://www.eurasiacup.com/web/EventInfo/ has start at 08:35 (00:35 GMT) on days 1 and 3, 09:35 (01:35 GMT) day 2 so coverage is clearly not live. Nigej (talk) 18:23, 8 January 2018 (UTC)

Joburg Open
With the event now being tri sanctioned with the Asian Tour, and with 30 more players, did you see the breakdown of the nationalities? Here is the difference with the continents involved with last month's tournament compared to the tournament in early 2017:

+7 North America +1 South America −4 Europe +5 Oceania +8 Asia +13 Africa

As you can see, Europe is the only continent to lose numbers. Strange. Johnsmith2116 (talk) 13:46, 14 January 2018 (UTC)

Thanks
Thanks for fixing my mistake on the Singapore Open page, it was simply an oversight on my part. Johnsmith2116 (talk) 09:52, 21 January 2018 (UTC)

Thanks
Thanks for disambiguating that name, an oversight on my part (again). Johnsmith2116 (talk) 10:41, 4 February 2018 (UTC)

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Tylenol par 3 shootout. Should these wins really count as professional wins ?.
Hi i am just wondering if par 3 shootouts really are professional wins that need to be added to players pages ?. Ie we do not count the Masters par 3 contest and that is much the same thing would you agree. These are mickey mouse events i do not think they should be included, what do you think ?. Regards 31.200.174.254 (talk) 05:56, 12 February 2018 (UTC).
 * Tylenol Par-3 Shootout. I suspect it was a serious event, although a made-for-TV skins game. The Masters par 3 is just a bit of fun. I'm thinking of the Tylenol Par-3 Shootout more like the Hero World Challenge and as such puting in Other Wins. Nigej (talk) 09:31, 12 February 2018 (UTC)

Nigej the Hero World Challenge carries world ranking points. It is a par 3 contest this is not tournament golf !. Wikipedia all of a sudden has to add everything as professional wins when some events are not !. Would you agree ?. 178.167.170.11 (talk) 14:41, 12 February 2018 (UTC) regards
 * I wouldn't even give the Hero World Challenge ranking points but it's not my decision. Wikipedia tends to follow the official line even when we think it's wrong. The problem with "professional wins", is that there's no accepted list and we have to decide for ourselves. Personally I'm happy with par-3 events. After all it's just golf on a shorter course. Nigej (talk) 19:27, 12 February 2018 (UTC)

My point is you think its ok but does that make it a professional event. My point is the Masters par 3 contest does not count because it is a mickey mouse event like this gimmicky tylenol event and really come on they are never pro events ?. Regards 92.251.239.177 (talk) 04:45, 23 February 2018 (UTC)

Can you create a page for Harvey Chandler for me please ?.
Hi this is a new Snooker player that won the European Championship Mens amateur event. He has received a two year tour card and will be a professional next season.if you create the page for me I can fill in the details. His DOB is April 19th 1995, 22 years old. Regards 92.251.239.177 (talk) 04:49, 23 February 2018 (UTC)

WGC-Mexico Championship
The tournament is down in players this year by 12, from 77 to 65. I don't know why. Five of the six continents had their number of players go down. Europe went down 8, from 25 to 17. Do you know why? Johnsmith2116 (talk) 20:16, 27 February 2018 (UTC)
 * Seems to be just a combination of year-to-year differences and a few of the top-50 not turning up. Nigej (talk) 08:24, 28 February 2018 (UTC)
 * Okay thanks. Although now, I'm having a difficult time getting the leaderboard to load on the European Tour website, on the Mexico event and the Tshwane event. I hope the problem is only the website, and not my computer. Johnsmith2116 (talk) 14:54, 28 February 2018 (UTC)

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Shot Clock Masters
Do you know why this event has 36 fewer players this year than it had last year? 156 last year as the Lyoness Open, and 120 this year with the new name. And it has 33 fewer Europeans this year than last year. Any idea why so many fewer players? It seems odd they would do this, there is plenty of daylight at this time of year. Johnsmith2116 (talk) 11:41, 6 June 2018 (UTC)
 * No idea really. Seems a little odd since the whole purpose of the shot clock is to speed things up, which should allow a bigger field. I can only think that they only have a limited number of clocks or referees who can use them. Looks like they will need 20 on the first two days. Nigej (talk) 11:52, 6 June 2018 (UTC)

Vandal on the World Seniors Championship is unreal
Hi as you can see what I have been dealing with some guy keeps changing the status of the World Seniors Championship because he thinks it relates to the main tour. The Seniors have their own tour like the golf Seniors. He is editing this from multiple ips. Can you help me stop this ?. Regards 178.167.134.252 (talk) 22:09, 10 June 2018 (UTC)
 * LOL. Read what is vandal first. Here is the sources:
 * "Open to any player not currently on tour aged over 40" (from pdf-file in 2017 article);
 * "This tournament is only open to Amateur players not currently in the 128" (from pdf-file in 2018 article);
 * So, only amateur (non-tour) players were eligible to play since 2017. "Non-ranking events" is a terminology used for the events with pro players (otherwise, Q-School, IBSF championships are the "non-ranking events" also). All players outside PRO-128 are amateurs; see references. 46.211.110.147 (talk) 22:13, 10 June 2018 (UTC)

But you are not listening World Seniors events are part of a new World Seniors Tour like in golf. Jimmy White, Ken Doherty and Steve Davis have played in the events. It is also opened up by Jason Francis to anybody who gets through qualifying can join the legends in the tournament proper. It is a Seniors Tour like in golf and all the editors agree here they are non-ranking wins on the Seniors Tour OK! 178.167.134.252 (talk) 22:24, 10 June 2018 (UTC)
 * They were "non-ranking" until 2016 only when they were organized by World Snooker and eligible for the main tour pro-players. Since 2017, seniors events were organized by Snooker Legends, not World Snooker even, and open for the amateur players only, per cited references. 46.211.110.147 (talk) 22:28, 10 June 2018 (UTC)

It does not matter Snooker Legends actually started all the Seniors World Tour events so you are wrong. They were only introduced in the last season 4 of them as non-ranking ranking events OK? . It's a Seniors Tour event non ranking. And by the way the WPBSA/SNOOKER Legends are jointly running them next year 178.167.134.252 (talk) 22:35, 10 June 2018 (UTC)
 * Try to find the sources for your claims first (about "non-ranking"). It's an amateur events since 2017 per refs in the article. 46.211.110.147 (talk) 22:38, 10 June 2018 (UTC)

You are not listening to anything I am saying Jason Francis wants qualifiers to get through sectional qualifying to play the legends on the World Seniors Tour. On the Snooker talk pages if you go back and read the Status of these events Betty Logan. Andy Gray and Nigej all agreed the status of the Seniors Tour events should be non-ranking go back and check if you like ? 178.167.134.252 (talk) 22:53, 10 June 2018 (UTC)
 * It's a pity for you, but Mark Davis, Jimmy White and Ken Doherty didn't play in 2017 and 2018 because they were not eligible for that year's editions, as it was exclusively for non-tour players, per sources. "Ranking" events are played with Top-128 pro-players (and included into the world ranking), and all "non-ranking" events (Masters, Champions League, Champions of Champions, Hong Kong, Haining) are played for same Top-128 pro-players (with the addition of the some wild cards). 46.211.121.242 (talk) 22:56, 10 June 2018 (UTC)

Comment
I take a simple view. We can't call the 2017 World Seniors Championship an amateur event when the winner wins £10,000. That would be just plain confusing - Wikipedia is meant to be readable by ordinary folk. See Amateur sports: "Amateur sports are sports in which participants engage largely or entirely without remuneration." Maybe the organisers have some strange idea what "amateur" means or maybe the participants are "amateurs" in some strange sense I don't understand, but the event can't be called "amateur" surely. Whether we call it "non-ranking" (as a catch-all for anything that isn't a ranking event) or something else I don't really care. Nigej (talk) 06:03, 11 June 2018 (UTC)

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Kolon Korea Open
I was looking through my TV cable box schedule, and it is showing that Golf Channel is planning to show us live coverage of the Korea Open, which is unusual. It might be a mistake, and it might not be, time will tell in the next few days. I was wondering, does your TV schedule indicate that you will be receiving coverage of the Korea Open in the UK? Johnsmith2116 (talk) 10:21, 19 June 2018 (UTC)
 * No, nothing in the UK, certainly not live. Nigej (talk) 10:26, 19 June 2018 (UTC)
 * Okay, thanks. I've found the cable box schedule with mistakes before. Late last year, it was showing that Golf Channel was going to show the Australian Masters. Clearly that was going to be a mistake, as the Australian Masters hasn't been played in a couple years now. .. Usually, the only time that Golf Channel would make it a point to show us an Asian Tour event was when it was late in the year, and they would show us the Thailand Golf Championship (which was not played last year anyway). But other than that, Golf Channel doesn't typically show us any Asian based golf tournaments that aren't sanctioned with the PGA Tour. Hopefully this year will be different, because I'm hoping they show the Dunlop Phoenix Tournament and the Japan Open, both of which are on the Japan Tour, as you know. They especially should show the Dunlop Phoenix Tournament, since Brooks Koepka will be trying to win his 3rd in a row. Our Golf Channel has been known to make exceptions; in February 2014, they decided to show the Ladies Australian Masters because Cheyenne Woods was in it. And two years ago, they decided to show the Singapore Open because Jordan Spieth was in it. So, with Brooks Koepka being the hot thing of the moment, Golf Channel really should make another exception and finally show us the Dunlop Phoenix tournament. We'll find out later this year. Johnsmith2116 (talk) 10:41, 19 June 2018 (UTC)


 * Well it turns out that the TV box schedule was correct, Golf Channel is showing the Korea Open. I'm thinking they are showing it because it's in the Open qualifying. Some recognizable players in it are Kevin Na, KT Kim, Keith Horn, YE Yang, Richard T. Lee, Gaganjeet Bhullar, Sang Moon Bae, Miguel Tabuena, Terry Pilkadaris, Jeev Milkha Singh, and Jbe' Kruger. Johnsmith2116 (talk) 08:34, 21 June 2018 (UTC)
 * That must be right I think - that they are showing it because it's in the Open qualifying. Probably being an Open qualifying event has improved the field too, although perhaps its just that its an Asian tour event this year (some 50 non-Korean). Seems to be an event on the way up. Nigej (talk) 08:46, 21 June 2018 (UTC)

British Amateur coverage
Do you know if there is any TV coverage of the Amateur Championship there in the UK? I don't think we have ever had it on TV here, not on Golf Channel nor any other network. I keep hoping to find it on TV here some day. .. Do you get at least a little TV coverage of it there? And if so, do you know how much? Johnsmith2116 (talk) 13:15, 21 June 2018 (UTC)
 * There's a daily highlight program I believe. 30 minutes or a hour. I see we're at the last-16 stage this afternoon. Nigej (talk) 13:42, 21 June 2018 (UTC)

3M Open conflict
I want to ask your opinion, how to go about changing over a tournament from one tour to another.

Last year, when the tournament in the Dominican was changed from the Web.com Tour to the PGA Tour, we kept the page as it is, and simply added a new frame on the page to show that it is now a PGA Tour event.

Well now, the 3M Championship on the Champions Tour will be called the 3M Open and changed over to the PGA Tour. The problem is that I found that an editor (one I have never noticed as a golf editor) has made a seperate page for the 3M Open.

So, here is the question; do you think the new page should be kept? Or do you think we should ask for it to be deleted, and then simply use the existing 3M page next year for the 3M Open, the same as we continued to use the page for Dominican event once it was changed over to a PGA Tour event? Johnsmith2116 (talk) 16:50, 10 July 2018 (UTC)
 * It's true that we usually keep the same page when tour affiliations change. It's very common outside US/Europe - especially with the Asian Tour/OneAsia rivalry that existed for a few years. I think in this case (the 3M Open) that it's more than that. Seniors event to main tour and with a different name. Probably the PGA Tour are thinking of it as a new event too. So I'm inclined to say leave it as it is - new page for the 3M Open. Nigej (talk) 17:01, 10 July 2018 (UTC)
 * Thank you. Johnsmith2116 (talk) 18:51, 10 July 2018 (UTC)

Open telecast question
Hi Nigej, I was wondering how extensive the coverage of the Open is in the UK? I read something in social media the other day in which many British viewers were upset about the way the coverage is being handled. Which network(s) is carrying it there, and for how long has that network been having it? Here, the Golf Channel/NBC family has had it since 2016, and they are currently giving nearly 50 hours combined. We actually receive more hours of coverage of the Open Championship than we receive of the US Open. Johnsmith2116 (talk) 06:22, 19 July 2018 (UTC)
 * I think it's similar to last year. The BBC showing 2 hour highlights each evening: https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b00cq5w0/broadcasts/upcoming Sky has it's own pay channel with complete coverage. 14 hours straight today and tomorrow, 11 hours Sat and Sun. Nigej (talk) 06:47, 19 July 2018 (UTC)
 * Thank you. I thought that I heard Sky had acquired the coverage not long ago, but I wasn't sure. Here in the States though, we don't receive any of the Sky networks, but we do receive the BBC World News network; it's one of only three non American based networks available here in the States. Johnsmith2116 (talk) 07:04, 19 July 2018 (UTC)

Thanks
I was putting Tom Lovelady's name in a minute ago, then I got an edit conflict notice. You beat me to it by a second or two. Johnsmith2116 (talk) 15:56, 23 July 2018 (UTC)
 * LOL. Yes, just beat you! Nigej (talk) 15:57, 23 July 2018 (UTC)

European Open TV coverage
I was wondering, are the 3rd and 4th rounds of the European Open shown live there, or are they shown on a delay? Here, with all that Golf Channel has to show for the week, there's a time conflict, and Golf Channel ends up showing the 3rd and 4th rounds on a 19 hour delay. Johnsmith2116 (talk) 18:37, 25 July 2018 (UTC)

Did you find out if it is on a delay there like it is here? Johnsmith2116 (talk) 19:07, 28 July 2018 (UTC)
 * Yes live in the UK. European Open live until 4pm UK time (5pm German time) - last tee time is 11:45 UK time, then over to the Senior Open (where the last tee time is 2:40pm) until 7pm and then the PGA Tour after that's over. Sorry missed the question before. Nigej (talk) 19:16, 28 July 2018 (UTC)
 * Thanks. I saw the posting a minute ago that McEvoy won. I will see the coverage of it when Golf Channel shows it late tonight at 2:00 AM. Johnsmith2116 (talk) 15:52, 29 July 2018 (UTC)

BMW PGA Championship winners template
I made this template some time ago ... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:BMW_PGA_Championship_champions ..., and I was wondering if it should be added to the pages of all the winners, in the same way that the template for the Players Championship is added to the pages of all the winners for that one? Johnsmith2116 (talk) 18:37, 25 July 2018 (UTC)
 * I guess it ought to be. Of course we don't have great coverage of individual events (only from 2011) but I don't see why that should be a problem. Nigej (talk) 18:45, 25 July 2018 (UTC)

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European Golf Team Championships
Do you know if the European Golf Team Championships is going to have a knockout portion after the group play is completed, much like the WGC Match Play has? Johnsmith2116 (talk) 16:47, 5 August 2018 (UTC)
 * There are semis and a final on the last day. 18 hole foursomes I think. Nigej (talk) 20:08, 5 August 2018 (UTC)

TV coverage
It appears that we won't have any coverage of it on TV here in the States. Do you know if you will be able to see it on TV over there where you are? Johnsmith2116 (talk) 10:30, 7 August 2018 (UTC)
 * The BBC are covering the European Championships extensively. I believe that includes the golf. How much the coverage will be I've not discovered. Eurosport are also covering the European Championships, but again I'm not sure of the golf. Seems they are covering at least the Sunday on the Eurosport Player. Nigej (talk) 18:11, 7 August 2018 (UTC)
 * Thanks for your response. We get BBC World News here, but not BBC Sport. This is really frustrating that we can't see the Euro Team Championships here, golf or otherwise. We get extensive coverage of the Premier League here in the States, so, it's not as if the American networks have any problem showing European/British sporting events. One network here even gives us the entire Tour de France. ... I guess all we can do here is hope to see some highlights of it. Johnsmith2116 (talk) 21:28, 7 August 2018 (UTC)
 * We also never get the The Amateur Championship nor the British Ladies Amateur Golf Championship. Can you imagine not being able to see the U.S. Amateur or U.S. Women's Amateur there in the UK? (Those are in the next couple of weeks.) Johnsmith2116 (talk) 21:33, 7 August 2018 (UTC)

Scoring
What source are you using to record the scores? I see that you entered the score for the first match. I went to the europeanchampionships.com site, but it isn't listing the score, only the winning team. Johnsmith2116 (talk) 11:26, 8 August 2018 (UTC)
 * https://www.europeanchampionships.com/results/en/golf/daily-schedule.htm Nigej (talk) 12:10, 8 August 2018 (UTC)
 * Yes thanks. But, that is where I was looking an hour ago, and at that time, they had not yet showed the score of the match. But yet, I noticed you had already loaded the score of that first match into Wikipedia. Were you looking at something else, something that told you the score before that site was showing it? Johnsmith2116 (talk) 12:54, 8 August 2018 (UTC)
 * I didn't have any problem but perhaps I was looking at a different time. This page doesn't give in-play scores, you have to click on LIVE to get those. Nigej (talk) 13:38, 8 August 2018 (UTC)

Images being taken down
I was wondering if you know a way to be able to post images in the info box of golf tournaments without having them be at risk of being taken down? Fact is, a certain editor has gone around and removed a few of the images that I have uploaded, but usually only of the higher profile tournaments, such as the Players Championship and the Masters. It's frustrating, and I really don't know what the harm is. Johnsmith2116 (talk) 19:56, 10 August 2018 (UTC)
 * Not my area at all really. Seems looking at The Players Championship, for instance, File:Players Championship logo.png has a WP:NFUR only for 2016 Players Championship. However "A separate, specific rationale must be provided each time the media file is used in an article." Since there was one for 2016 Players Championship but not one for Players Championship it was removed from the Players Championship article. Personally I find all this stuff so confusing or frustrating that I gave up adding images a long time ago. Nigej (talk) 20:17, 10 August 2018 (UTC)

BMW PGA Championship
When this tournament moves to September next year, there will obviously be less daylight to work with. Do you happen to know if they will be lowering the players from 150 to a lower number? (Personally I don't know why they didn't put it in August instead, as it would be warmer outside and have more daylight to work with.) Johnsmith2116 (talk) 19:09, 15 August 2018 (UTC)
 * Honestly I've no idea but I am reminded of the old Piccadilly World Match Play from Wentworth, which I used to watch as a lad. That was early October I think but there were problems with morning fog sometimes. Maybe early September will be ok. Nigej (talk) 19:17, 15 August 2018 (UTC)
 * Thanks. Speaking of that, I miss that Match Play tournament, it was fun. It's a shame how many tournaments have been canceled. The Volvo Golf Champions, too. Johnsmith2116 (talk) 19:24, 15 August 2018 (UTC)
 * Off topic ... Approximately 90 minutes from the time I am typing this, TV coverage of the U.S. Amateur Championship gets underway from Pebble Beach, in the Fox family here in the States. Hopefully there is a decent amount of TV coverage of it over there in the UK. I remember when Matthew Fitzpatrick won it five years ago, becoming the first Englishman in over a century to win it. Johnsmith2116 (talk) 19:31, 15 August 2018 (UTC)

Ryder Cup TV coverage
Do you know how much coverage of the Cup is on TV there, and what network it is on? Hopefully it is generous coverage. .. Here, in the most recent Cup, Golf Channel gave us 10 and a half hours on Friday, and NBC gave us 16 hours on the weekend. Johnsmith2116 (talk) 04:55, 17 August 2018 (UTC)
 * Yes 100% coverage on Sky Golf (pay) with highlights on the BBC in the evening (I believe). The Ryder Cup has a similar status to the Open, meaning that highlights must be made available. Nigej (talk) 05:04, 17 August 2018 (UTC)

Mickelson/Woods
I learned that the exhibition match scheduled for late November is actually going to be on pay per view here in the USA. This came as a surprise, and a bit disappointing. I have no problem with pay per view, but golf on pay per view? ... Do you happen to know how it is going to be televised there in the UK? Will a regular network be showing it? Johnsmith2116 (talk) 02:02, 23 August 2018 (UTC)
 * Gets mentioned on skysports: http://www.skysports.com/golf/news/12176/11479646/tiger-woods-and-phil-mickelson-set-for-7m-las-vegas-showdown but doesn't say whether they are covering it or not. Never heard of golf on pay-per-view here, usually boxing/wrestling. Nigej (talk) 05:08, 23 August 2018 (UTC)
 * Thanks. Boxing, wrestling, and UFC gets on pay per view here, along with a few other things, but I think this is the fist time golf will be on pay per view here. They could end up regretting it. People want to see golf, but that doesn't mean they will pay special to see it on TV. Some of the 1992 Summer Olympic games were put on pay per view TV here, and they lost million$, because people simply weren't going to pay to watch the Olympics; in the present day, the networks of NBC (Golf Channel's parent network) furnish extensive coverage of the Olympics, no pay per view at all, which is nice. Even last summer, NBC launched the Olympic Channel. I'm hoping that they will have coverage of the Youth Summer Olympics in October. ... Well anyway, time will tell if this golf match on pay per view was a good idea, or a flop. Johnsmith2116 (talk) 13:45, 23 August 2018 (UTC)


 * See Olympics Triplecast for details. Johnsmith2116 (talk) 19:05, 24 August 2018 (UTC)

U.S. Open tennis
I'm wondering about the coverage you have there, is it plentiful? Here for example, we have at least 11 hours of it today; ESPN has it from 12:00 to 6:00 PM, and then ESPN 2 has it from 6:00 to 11:00. Johnsmith2116 (talk) 20:31, 27 August 2018 (UTC)
 * From this year it's on Amazon Prime Video, which I know nothing about. Personally I'm more likely to watch the cycling (Vuelta a Espana). Nigej (talk) 20:41, 27 August 2018 (UTC)
 * That's okay. Watching the US Open tennis in the UK can be like people in the USA watching the Australian Open tennis, or people in Australia watching the Wimbledon tennis. The hours can be inconvenient because you can be up to the wee hours of the morning watching it. Johnsmith2116 (talk) 20:56, 27 August 2018 (UTC)
 * Some of the American events seem to switch around a lot which confuses people I think. The PGA Championship seems a bit like that too. Nigej (talk) 21:00, 27 August 2018 (UTC)
 * Speaking of switching, a few minutes ago I had to switch away from the coverage of the US Open, the evening matches are about to start, and they are having Kelly Clarkson do a 20 minute + performance, and I don't wannna see that, I only want to see the tennis. They are taking way too long to get to the match, in my view. Each year they do something like this, and it seems a bit overkill. I only want to see the tennis. Maybe others are sharing the same frustration at the moment. Johnsmith2116 (talk) 23:57, 27 August 2018 (UTC)
 * Seems to me that many sports events finish too late nowadays. Do people really want to watch tennis at midnight? Nigej (talk) 04:57, 28 August 2018 (UTC)
 * I'm not sure. But, as I am typing this, I'm about to watch the Maria Sharapova match, and it is 10:00 PM. This likely be over until well past 12:00 AM, maybe 1:00. It's Currently 12:00 PM in Melbourne, Australia, though, so, it's easy for them. But, it may take a hearty bunch there in the UK to watch this match, as it is now 3:00 AM there. Johnsmith2116 (talk) 02:00, 29 August 2018 (UTC)
 * I think the main reason it went so late last night is because of the heat. It's so hot, they have to keep taking extended breaks to cool down. And the humidity makes it even worse. I'm currently watching the Stan Wawrinka match. Johnsmith2116 (talk) 18:25, 29 August 2018 (UTC)
 * Sorry to see Murray eliminated. Maybe he will be more in form by the Australian Open. Johnsmith2116 (talk) 23:07, 29 August 2018 (UTC)
 * A bit like Tiger perhaps, you wonder at his age whether he'll ever come back to his best. Nigej (talk) 09:50, 30 August 2018 (UTC)
 * Good point. Well, if Mickelson can win a WGC at 48 years old, there's hope for many. As far as Murray, there are still two more Masters series events this year, the Shanghai Masters, and the Paris Masters. Maybe he can do well in those, if he plays in them. I don't think he is qualified for the ATP Finals in London. ... Currently watching Angelique Kerber vs the Swedish woman Larsson. Johnsmith2116 (talk) 18:19, 30 August 2018 (UTC)
 * Also watching McIlroy's interview at TPC Boston. Being that it is Labour Day coming up, this tournament always goes Friday through Monday, so, we have to wait an additional day to watch it. Johnsmith2116 (talk) 18:31, 30 August 2018 (UTC)
 * I'm watching the Cilic match on ESPN 2. It is going so late, it will be after 2:00 AM here soon, and 7:00 AM in the UK. It is in the fifth set. His opponent is an Australian; the time is almost 4:00 PM in Melbourne, Australia now. I bet the people down there can't believe this match is still going on. Johnsmith2116 (talk) 05:39, 2 September 2018 (UTC)
 * Amazon coverage over here not going down too well so far https://www.bbc.com/news/business-45355186 Nigej (talk) 12:03, 2 September 2018 (UTC)
 * Yikes. I can imagine the difficulty in getting coverage in the UK for our Superbowl, or the AFL Grand Final. Johnsmith2116 (talk) 17:41, 2 September 2018 (UTC)
 * An amazing Nadal match finished a minute ago. It is after 2:00 AM here, and 7:00 AM there. Johnsmith2116 (talk) 06:05, 5 September 2018 (UTC)
 * The women's semi finals are tonight. Depending on whom wins, we could end up with an all American women's championship match like we did last year. Johnsmith2116 (talk) 20:25, 6 September 2018 (UTC)
 * This is off topic, but I am watching Fox Sports 2, the AFL playoffs. It's Geelong vs Melbourne. I am rooting for Melbourne because this is their first playoffs in twelve years, and they haven't won the championship in 54 years, exactly like my Cleveland Browns. I can't help but wonder if coverage of the AFL is there in the UK also. Johnsmith2116 (talk) 09:54, 7 September 2018 (UTC)
 * I don't think so. I seem to remember odd big events (Grand Final?) but I'm not aware of any regular coverage. Personally I don't find it too interesting. I'd rather watch the cricket from MCG. Mind you the Aussie Rules pays a lot of the bills for the stadium. Big crowds. Nigej (talk) 10:31, 7 September 2018 (UTC)
 * Coincidentally, this game is at the MCG. Currently the home team Melbourne is up 36 to 8 in the second quarter. ... Yes, I have seen the Big Bash League last year, I figure I'll see some more this year when the season starts. We get it on the network called Willow, which has only cricket. Off Topic again, but, this Sunday, the Brickyard 400 race is taking place at the same time as the BMW Championship is being played. The funny thing is that both events are in the same family of networks here. The golf is on regular NBC, and the race is on NBC Sports Network. Johnsmith2116 (talk) 10:41, 7 September 2018 (UTC)

Challenge Tour television question
Is there any TV coverage of the Challenge Tour there? Johnsmith2116 (talk) 01:33, 31 August 2018 (UTC)

Kenny Knox
You have DOB = DOD? IP had DOD 1998.-- Dloh cier ekim  (talk) 19:29, 6 September 2018 (UTC)
 * I'm confused. Current version has him alive, which he is. Nigej (talk) 19:35, 6 September 2018 (UTC)
 * I'm confused too. BUt the DOD is hidden, so. so. . . .19:36, 6 September 2018 (UTC)
 * It has commented out YYYY but the 1956|8|15 is DOB Nigej (talk) 19:39, 6 September 2018 (UTC)

Block
{{unblock|I've been blocked from editing (or at least 31.46.229.204 has been blocked) by ProcseeBot. I'm not doing anything different to {{unblock reviewed | 1=I've been blocked from editing (or at least 31.46.229.204 has been blocked) by ProcseeBot. I'm not doing anything different to yesterday. According to whatismyip.com my Public IPv4 is: 31.46.229.204, my Local IP is: 192.168.88.243. No idea what this means. Am I using an Open Proxy? | decline = Yes, confirmed open proxy. You'll need to disable that if you wish to edit here. Yamla (talk) 14:12, 7 September 2018 (UTC)}}
 * {{ping|Yamla}} I've tried various browsers on 2 lap tops and 2 mobile phone and all use 13.46.229.204, so it seems the Open Proxy is something to do with the ISP I'm using, not the settings in the browser. Does this mean I'm banned while I continue to use this ISP, or is there a way round it? Nigej (talk) 05:49, 9 September 2018 (UTC)
 * That IP address belongs to Amazon, and is a different IP address than you earlier gave us. That, too, is a proxy. You are not using the IP address provided by your Internet Service Provider, you are using a proxy. I'm afraid there's no more information I have for you. --Yamla (talk) 11:33, 9 September 2018 (UTC)
 * {{ping|Yamla}} Sorry should have said 31.46.229.204. Is there nowhere to go for advise? Nigej (talk) 11:58, 9 September 2018 (UTC)
 * Wikipedia volunteers can't provide technical support for your Internet access, I'm afraid. You could try contacting your ISP or technical support companies in your area. --Yamla (talk) 13:02, 9 September 2018 (UTC)

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Celia Barquín Arozamena
Leaving aside the matter of his tragic death, as a golfer, is she a notable enough? This is a serious question. Other wikis such as de.wiki are considering that winning one amateur championship is not relevant enough. She could've had a promising career, but we will never know. What is the criteria here on en.wiki. Thanks for your reply! From es.wiki Triplecaña (talk) 09:13, 21 September 2018 (UTC)
 * As per WP:NGOLF part 4: "They have won at least one recognized amateur golf tournament at the national or international level". Now this is very loose in my view. I did try to change this, see: Wikipedia talk:Notability (sports)/Archive 30 to restrict this criteria (for modern golfers) to "elite" WAGR events but got very little interest. Concerning Celia Barquín Arozamena; she won the European Ladies Amateur Championship in late July. This is an elite WAGR event, so that she would satisfy WP:NGOLF under either the current or my proposed change. WP:NSPORTS says "The article must provide reliable sources showing that the subject meets the general notability guideline or the sport specific criteria set forth below." I can see that she's at the bottom end of notability as a golfer, but using WP:NGOLF she is notable enough. I can assure you that if she hadn't won the European Ladies Amateur Championship, I wouldn't have created the article. Nigej (talk) 09:28, 21 September 2018 (UTC)

Oliver Fisher
Hi there, I don't know if you are on here (depending on what is going on with the block), but I am watching Oliver Fisher on a 59 watch, and he is currently co leading the Portugal Masters. Wherever you are, hopefully you are able to see it. He is currently 10 strokes under par through 12 holes today alone. Johnsmith2116 (talk) 10:47, 21 September 2018 (UTC)
 * Back to my palatial country retreat (actually it's a semi-ruin) so I have wi-fi but can only edit my talk page. No golf coverage here. Nigej (talk) 10:56, 21 September 2018 (UTC)
 * Ah, well hopefully you can be able to see the European Tour website to keep track of the scores that way. Johnsmith2116 (talk) 11:34, 21 September 2018 (UTC)
 * He's 11 under through sixteen holes. So, he needs to play 1 under par over the last two holes, to get the 59. Johnsmith2116 (talk) 11:39, 21 September 2018 (UTC)
 * Some little clips on twitter. Birdied 17. Nigej (talk) 12:11, 21 September 2018 (UTC)
 * Yes! I was nervous about that birdie try, but he got it. And at the last, he nipped the edge of the hole for a 58 but it didn't go. But, he did make the next putt for par, and got the 59. Well done! Johnsmith2116 (talk) 12:23, 21 September 2018 (UTC)

Ryder Cup
Best of luck to Europe. The USA team hasn't won on European soil in twenty five years. Personally I'm hoping they will do it this time, as you might imagine. Johnsmith2116 (talk) 06:09, 28 September 2018 (UTC)
 * Could go either way, it seems to me. Americans generally better but Europe has the home advantage. Back to my country retreat, so can't edit for a while. New roof being put on as I write this. Nigej (talk) 06:50, 28 September 2018 (UTC)
 * Thanks. Hopefully you like the roof. See you here soon. Johnsmith2116 (talk) 06:51, 28 September 2018 (UTC)
 * Europe is leading 8 to 3. Maybe the USA can salvage this one last morning match. Currently, Spieth and Thomas are 1 up in their match, through 14 holes. Johnsmith2116 (talk) 11:11, 29 September 2018 (UTC)
 * 8-4 is a good lead. Bookmakers have Europe as about 80% chance of winning now. USA+Tie at 20%. Plenty to play for. No sign of Mickelson today. Nigej (talk) 12:04, 29 September 2018 (UTC)
 * Well, here we go, time for the singles matches. Down four, the odds are against the USA. Johnsmith2116 (talk) 10:02, 30 September 2018 (UTC)
 * Also, in the FIBA women's tournament, the USA plays Australia for the gold medal in basketball. Johnsmith2116 (talk) 10:04, 30 September 2018 (UTC)
 * Good win for Europe. Too much for the US to come back from. 10-6 is a good lead. Continues a long list of European successes in Europe. The wildcards turned out to be the difference between the teams. or maybe it was that the older Europeans performed well. Nigej (talk) 18:53, 30 September 2018 (UTC)
 * Yes. What can I say, it was a thrashing. After the USA lead 3 to 0 after the first three matches on Friday, Europe then went on win 17.5 of the remaining 25 points. Well, the USA will next year play the Presidents Cup, and they always do well in that. .... Currently, I'm watching the gold medal game of the FIBA (basketball) Women's World Cup. Team USA is playing Australia, and the USA is trying to successfully defend their championship. It's looking good so far. Johnsmith2116 (talk) 19:27, 30 September 2018 (UTC)
 * By the way, in golf, the PGA Tour will now be starting a new season, and it's always fun to look forward to that. And the European Tour is on to Scotland for the Dunhill, which will have some big names. ... Personally, I was hoping that professional golf (PGA or European) would use the Olympic course in Rio de Janeiro for an official tournament. Who knows, maybe one day they will. Johnsmith2116 (talk) 19:33, 30 September 2018 (UTC)

2018 Summer Youth Olympics
Do you happen to know if you will have any TV coverage of these Games over there? Golf is included in the games, in case you didn't already know. Johnsmith2116 (talk) 00:16, 29 September 2018 (UTC)
 * Can't find anything. Very low profile. May be something online. Nigej (talk) 05:43, 29 September 2018 (UTC)

Hello
Hopefully things are okay there. How's the situation with the editing? Also, have you been able to see the International Crown and the Dunhill event? Johnsmith2116 (talk) 11:03, 5 October 2018 (UTC)

And the Safeway event. Johnsmith2116 (talk) 11:04, 5 October 2018 (UTC)
 * Can't edit here, only with a mobile using the phone signal. None of the above events, only the Asia-Pacific Amateur Championship which is at the half-way stage. Creating some Eisenhower Trophy pages, ready to add at some future date. Nigej (talk) 12:53, 5 October 2018 (UTC)
 * Looking forward to seeing that page of yours. I myself have been working on something for the female golfers, but it's taking quite some time. So, I've been working on it little bits here and there. It takes a long time because of having to go back and forth between a website and a Wikipedia page. I'm hoping to have it ready before November. Johnsmith2116 (talk) 14:15, 5 October 2018 (UTC)


 * Update, I have finished that thing I mentioned above. Johnsmith2116 (talk) 07:54, 20 August 2019 (UTC)

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How are you?
How's it going these days? I had not seen an edit from you in three weeks. I went to the HSBC page to edit it, and I found you had already done it. Did you get the issue fixed, or do you still have it? Johnsmith2116 (talk) 12:33, 27 October 2018 (UTC)
 * Back in civilisation so able to edit again. Other problem unresolved but with winter coming, only a wood burner and no hot water, we won't be spending much time in our country retreat/ruin for the next few months. Nigej (talk) 12:39, 27 October 2018 (UTC)

Thanks
Thanks for fixing my mistake on the WGC HSBC Champions page, I simply wasn't thinking straight, it's very early in the morning here. Johnsmith2116 (talk) 08:13, 28 October 2018 (UTC)

Shriners Hospitals for Children Open
The Shriners Hospitals for Children Open field this year has been reduced from 144 to 132. I assume it is because it is too difficult to get 144 players all the way through each day with enough daylight to work with. It's early November. They tried it last year, and they likely realized that it was a bad idea. Early November, in the USA, simply doesn't allow for enough daylight for a field any larger than 132. Johnsmith2116 (talk) 12:53, 1 November 2018 (UTC)

At least not on one course. The RSM Classic uses two courses. Johnsmith2116 (talk) 12:57, 1 November 2018 (UTC)
 * Probably true. Always was a problem for these end of year events, especially with the modern slow play. Anyway 132 seems like a large number. Personally I'd be happy to see smaller fields generally (except for the majors).Nigej (talk) 13:01, 1 November 2018 (UTC)
 * Well also, it seems they made up the difference with Americans. There are twelve fewer Americans this year, which is the exact difference in the field overall. Johnsmith2116 (talk) 14:30, 1 November 2018 (UTC)
 * They ran out of daylight on the first day, even with the reduced field. There were still four groups on the course when play was called for the day. Johnsmith2116 (talk) 17:28, 2 November 2018 (UTC)

Rolex Paris Masters
I meant to ask, are you watching this tennis tournament? And is it on TV there? Johnsmith2116 (talk) 19:22, 1 November 2018 (UTC)
 * No, not on my TV here. Used to be on the BBC but now Sky Sports (like nearly everything). Plenty of snooker on eurosport for me. Nigej (talk) 20:18, 1 November 2018 (UTC)

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16 reds
I was stalking the page history for Mark Selby and thought you might like this --Dweller (talk) Become old fashioned! 16:24, 26 November 2018 (UTC)
 * Thanks. I wasn't aware of it. Anyway the addition was confusing at best since it said that Steve James had done the previous one, in some sense. And the header called "16-red clearance maker" linked to "Breaks exceeding 147". The available data is just too vague I think. Nigej (talk) 16:32, 26 November 2018 (UTC)
 * It certainly wasn't included in a good manner, no source, inaccurate etc. Might make for a good article: 16 red break? --Dweller (talk) Become old fashioned! 17:06, 26 November 2018 (UTC)
 * Yes, a much better way to go. Nigej (talk) 17:28, 26 November 2018 (UTC)

European Tour website
I can't get the European Tour leaderboard to load, at the website. Maybe you can have better luck? Johnsmith2116 (talk) 05:09, 28 November 2018 (UTC)
 * Seems ok for me. Nothing on the two events this week but they haven't started yet I think. Nigej (talk) 06:48, 28 November 2018 (UTC)
 * The only part of the site that isn't working for me is the leaderboard. I can't tell if it is the site, or my computer. Johnsmith2116 (talk) 07:01, 28 November 2018 (UTC)
 * Is it this weeks events or older ones too? Nigej (talk) 07:02, 28 November 2018 (UTC)
 * It is doing it only for the two events this week, not the older ones. But this has never happened before. On the Tuesday before a tournament, the leaderboard usually loads okay. So, I don't know why this is happening. Johnsmith2116 (talk) 07:08, 28 November 2018 (UTC)
 * http://www.europeantour.com/europeantour/season=2019/tournamentid=2019002/leaderboard/index.html#/leaderboard is blank for me, but that's what I'm expecting. Nigej (talk) 07:12, 28 November 2018 (UTC)
 * Well fortunately, it is back to normal now, the leaderboard is loaded fine. Funny though, the clock they are showing for Gold Coast time is only five hours ahead of my time, which of course is off by a mile. It is currently showing 17:47, but it should be showing 03:47. Johnsmith2116 (talk) 17:48, 28 November 2018 (UTC)

Kurt Kitayama
It's nice to see our American win on the European Tour, isn't it? Now he should get some name recognition in the golf media. Ironically, we had another Asian American, David Lipsky, get his first win on the European Tour also, in 2014. Johnsmith2116 (talk) 17:57, 2 December 2018 (UTC)
 * Yes. Comes from nowhere. Outside the world top 1,000 at the start of the year. Needs an article, of course. Nigej (talk) 18:04, 2 December 2018 (UTC)
 * Someones added him to Requested articles/Sports. Nigej (talk) 18:07, 2 December 2018 (UTC)

Thanks
Thanks for repairing that technical problem on the Hero World Challenge page. How that ever happened and why it was never fixed, who knows. Johnsmith2116 (talk) 21:13, 2 December 2018 (UTC)

NPR Newsletter No.16 15 December 2018
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Coordinates
Do you know if there would be some sort of error if we try to put a second set of coordinates at the top of a page (meaning, putting something like this >"coord|-20.167|57.766|type:event|display=title" at the bottom of the editing window, below the first one, but of course it would be a 2nd set of coordinates)? The reason I ask is because that MCB event now has two locations. Johnsmith2116 (talk) 11:27, 16 December 2018 (UTC)
 * Honestly, I don't know the answer. When I was doing the Eisenhower Trophy pages recently, I left it out if there were 2 venues used. I'll look into it. Nigej (talk)
 * Seems that it's only intended for a single location when using the display=title form. You can use it twice but it puts the second on top of the first, which is no good. An alternative is to use display=inline and put them somewhere else, like the infobox, eg:

| location      = Mauritius -20.167°N, 57.766°W Seychelles -12.345°N, 67.89°W

which looks ok to me, but whether it's approved of I don't know. Nigej (talk) 12:18, 16 December 2018 (UTC)

Tournament of Champions
It's nearly time for this tournament. Will you be able to see a lot of coverage of it there? Coverage in central Europe will go until 4:00 AM, if you have a network that will show it that far into the night. Johnsmith2116 (talk) 14:38, 2 January 2019 (UTC)
 * No. Nothing at all here. However, I'm heading back to Blighty very soon from my extended holiday. Nigej (talk) 14:51, 2 January 2019 (UTC)
 * Ah, well, hopefully there will be plenty of coverage on a network at that other location. The T.O.C. is always fun to watch. And after waiting 18 days for some golf, not a minute too soon! Johnsmith2116 (talk) 14:54, 2 January 2019 (UTC)
 * I have a feeling it'll be an interesting year, probably Tiger will dominate the news. Nigej (talk) 15:01, 2 January 2019 (UTC)
 * Do you know which network will be showing it? Johnsmith2116 (talk) 16:21, 3 January 2019 (UTC)

Jamaica Open New York Golf Tournament
While it certainly maybe true that there are "many pro-ams held each week", however, those events could not say that they were attended by both current Jamaican Prime Minister (Andrew Holness) and by current United States Congressman Yvette Clarke. I will add media today showing this. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Cmodeste (talk • contribs) 13:48, 15 January 2019 (UTC)

Australian Amateur
Hi this is pipamidalton. Thank you for reverting my edits. I thought they were not allowed because they contained dead links. I feel awful thinking I improved the article. I apologize for them. Still a newbie but appreciate your correction and clarification.Pipamidalton (talk) 08:33, 21 January 2019 (UTC)
 * "dead links" are different really. I know its tempting to remove red links to make the article look nicer but the general principle is to leave them in, unless you think there will never be or shouldn't be such an article. If there's a red link to something really odd or obscure, you should remove it. Anyway, keep up the good work. Wikipedia needs more editors. Nigej (talk) 08:56, 21 January 2019 (UTC)

Thanks for reassurances but I know how tedious it is to clean up after. I complain a lot about nuisance and unconstructive edits made on other articles, especially after all the hard work one puts in to polish and clean up to keep it good and pretty, I hate to think I made your life harder a bit when reverting my errors.thanks for something inieagned today on Wikipedia style.Pipamidalton (talk) 09:05, 21 January 2019 (UTC)
 * Actually reverting a string of edits by one editor is quite easy so no harm done there. Nigej (talk) 09:07, 21 January 2019 (UTC)

Thanks just the same. I learned something important today.Pipamidalton (talk) 09:16, 21 January 2019 (UTC)

Open sources
Hi Nigej. Think I have made what I would describe as a noob mistake with one of my Open citation links. I thought it was from a book and that was the source originally used in the wiki article, but realised now that it was copying what was in wikipedia. So basically used a source which is itself sourced by wikipedia. I don't think any content I put together was wrong though. I looked back and you put together the history of the qualifying process and format that was listed in the main article (and I moved to its own separate article). Did you use a single source to do that or did you build up the information from the individual years articles (i.e. the newspaper sources from each year)? Thanks --Jopal22 (talk) 21:14, 23 January 2019 (UTC)
 * I built it up from individual years, mainly cos I couldn't find anything satisfactory. Not the best approach maybe but sometimes its the only way. I seem to remember finding some wrong information in one of the Open articles from the 1920s and then setting out to find the truth. Had some good fun with the Opens. eg 1911 was "The 1911 Open Championship was a golf competition held at the Royal St George's Golf Club. Harry Vardon won the competition." before me and others got started. Hopefully a little better now. Nigej (talk) 21:29, 23 January 2019 (UTC)
 * I thought you must have. It's a good list, hope you didn't mind me moving it to an article of its own. Bit of a learning experience for me, found quite often when I searched for something that I was second guessing whether it was all from wikipedia originally or a genuinely independent source.--Jopal22 (talk) 21:59, 23 January 2019 (UTC)
 * Yes it is an interesting aspect of Wikipedia. Someone writes something unreferenced in Wikipedia, some lazy journalist copies it, someone else then references this in Wikipedia. Part of the reason I like to confirm details by checking with contemporary sources, where possible. Also, the organisers of events have an interest in demonstrating a continuity over the years to make the event look as important as possible sometimes at the expense of accuracy. Nigej (talk) 09:15, 24 January 2019 (UTC)

Defamatory content
Please point it out to me 'cause I'm missing it. And jumping right to a final warning otherwise is overkill. What I see is an edit war over unsourced neutral content warranting a level one at best.-- Dloh cier ekim  (talk) 12:44, 31 January 2019 (UTC)
 * One user has been pursuing a campaign against Lisa Thiel on Eggheads (TV series) for years, it seems. Often it takes the form of pretending that she is leaving imminently, hence the 2019 being added. Sometimes more abusive, see last edit to Make Me an Egghead. Mindless really. Nigej (talk) 13:05, 31 January 2019 (UTC)
 * A couple of early examples from 2015/2016: . For a while he gave up the abuse, simply adding an end year to Lisa Thiel's dates, eg  from 2016 (an example which his other distinguishing feature of changing "me an" to "mean").  is an example from 2017.  shows a more recent example of the abuse. Nigej (talk) 17:20, 31 January 2019 (UTC)

Welsh Alliance League seasons
I have been working on Welsh Alliance League and its seasons, having recently created the 2017–18 and 2018–19 seasons (while keeping 2018–19 up to date). I then wanted to go back to all the way to when the league started in the 1984–85 season. So I created league table templates from 1984–85 season to date. I was next going to work my way back through the seasons and create and update all seasons (using these league table templates in the articles). So to see 'Nomination for Deletion' come about feels unfair considering that I am currently working my way through. I'm sorry if I caused offence when I replied to you first about the nomination for deletion but it did throw me back. I understand that you don't want unused templates to exist but these templates will be used. I am just getting round to implementing them into the articles. If you look at my contributions you will see that I have made many contributions to the Welsh Alliance League, which is a mammoth task. I have enjoyed contributing to Wikipedia and would like to continue in doing so. Onshore (talk) 21:06, 21 February 2019 (UTC)
 * no one ever said you couldn't keep contributing... If you have an objection to the deletion, then discuss it at the TFD. That is what it is for... -- Zack mann  (Talk to me/What I been doing) 21:17, 21 February 2019 (UTC)

FIBA Intercontinental Cup Finals Top Scorer
I saw your comment at Templates_for_discussion/Log/2019_February_21. I had tried to delete the content from FIBA Intercontinental Cup since there was no consensus to merge at the AfD, but then the editor restored it while tweaking the WP:OR that it was an award. At that point, I did not further pursue it as an WP:UNDUE content issue. I left open the possibility that this was somehow talked about in non-English sources, though I pretty much doubt it. The same editor has also created pages like EuroLeague Finals Top Scorer, ABA League Top Scorer, and Basketball Bundesliga Top Scorer. I think they believe that since a leading/top scorer is notable in some leagues, that a similiar stat list should be created for all leagues. At any rate, I would support removing it from FIBA Intercontinental Cup, barring any further evidence that it is notable.—Bagumba (talk) 10:08, 22 February 2019 (UTC)

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Ronnie O'Sullivan back to world number one as of tonight.
Hi after Ronnie won tonight's Tour Championship he has returned to World number one. How do you change it on Ronnie's Wikipedia page ?. Can you do it for me I don't know how to do it. Thank you — Preceding unsigned comment added by 178.167.160.56 (talk) 22:10, 24 March 2019 (UTC)
 * The official list is not updated for a day or two, but I have updated our list anyway, hoping it's ok. Will confirm later. Nigej (talk) 08:30, 25 March 2019 (UTC)

Jamie Clarke Snooker player
HI can you remove RHYS from this players wiki homepage. He does not use the name Rhys. it was removed and someone changed it back again. what was the point. Do you know how to remove it please ?. DooksFoley147 (talk) 00:32, 31 March 2019 (UTC)
 * Not really sure what you mean. Do you want the article name Jamie Rhys Clarke changed? See Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Snooker/Archive_8 for a previous discussion. Nigej (talk) 07:14, 31 March 2019 (UTC)

Hi yes I want the homepage renamed to just "Jamie Clarke" at the moment the page created is under "Jamie Rhys Clarke". He clearly does not go by this name. Can you remove the Rhys name from it please ?. Jamie Clarke (snooker player) is ok if required. Regards DooksFoley147 (talk) 11:32, 31 March 2019 (UTC)
 * This would a WP:RM. The proposer would need to come up with a good reason for the change - there is "reason=..." parameter for this explanation. Just saying "reason=He does not use the name Rhys" might not be too convincing. He did use the name in the past. Nigej (talk) 11:50, 31 March 2019 (UTC)

He never used it and confirmed this in an interview actually ok DooksFoley147 (talk) 17:09, 1 April 2019 (UTC)
 * If he never used I can't understand articles like this https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/wales/31512686 (from 2015) which says "and Jamie Rhys Clarke among the Welshmen who have also been knocked out.". Are you saying the BBC made up his middle name? Nigej (talk) 17:50, 1 April 2019 (UTC)

Maybe the BBC made a mistake including his middle name Nigej ?. 178.167.230.220 (talk) 20:43, 10 May 2019 (UTC)

it makes no sense what you are saying. Why do we call him Jamie Clarke in tournament articles but refer to him as Jamie Rhys Clarke on his homepage. it is just plain stupid. DooksFoley147 (talk) 17:12, 1 April 2019 (UTC)
 * Plenty of situations where people have changed names during their careers, especially women. The name in event articles should be that used at the time of the event, but both names link to the same article. It is very common. Nigej (talk) 17:50, 1 April 2019 (UTC)

Clarke never changed his name. he has clearly stated rhys was used incorrectly, people on here don't seem to get it DooksFoley147 (talk) 19:06, 1 April 2019 (UTC)
 * It just doesn't make any sense. He was clearly known as Jamie Rhys Clarke early in his career, whatever he now says. http://www.rkgsnooker.com/player/player-profile/jamie-rhys-clarke/token-291 Nigej (talk) 19:26, 1 April 2019 (UTC)

That is a mistake I am sure the player knows his own name in fairness. How do we change it ?. 178.167.230.220 (talk) 20:40, 10 May 2019 (UTC)
 * Follow the process at Requested_moves; simply add the stuff to the bottom of his talk page. Nigej (talk) 20:51, 10 May 2019 (UTC)

Paswordlol
Have you seen that user's Userpage? There is a negative comment about Matt Kuchar on there. I suppose that falls under freedom of speech, but it's not right. Plus, he even had a vadalistic edit turned back by one of the Wikipedia bots. Some people have too much time on their hands. I wish I had that much time. If I did, I wouldn't be so backed up this year on Wikipedia editing. Johnsmith2116 (talk) 13:23, 3 April 2019 (UTC)

Two man team Golf events
Hi I do editing for golf and I think that two man team event wins should be added to the team wins section and removed as individual wins on players wiki pages. A team win is a team win not an individual win. The same rule should apply to golf as it does in all other sports when this occurs. Your thoughts please ?. Regards 92.251.160.97 (talk) 13:28, 22 April 2019 (UTC)
 * There's been many discussions about this in the past. My own view is that foursomes, fourballs and similar are not team events, they are just a different form of golf (like doubles in tennis) - covered by the rules of golf. Nigej (talk) 13:47, 22 April 2019 (UTC)

Doubles in Tennis is regarded as Doubles titles and not Singles or individual wins. I am sorry but I do not agree four man or foursomes are team events as they are so called "Team Events". what is the process needed for adding these as team wins ?. 92.251.160.97 (talk) 23:42, 22 April 2019 (UTC)
 * The first section is generally called "Professional wins" and includes wins in singles, foursomes and fourballs. The other section is "Team appearances" and lists events where a player has represented a team. Within this style, the Zurich Classic of New Orleans is regarded as a Professional win. The players do not represent anything in this event, it is simply a pairs event. I know is it referred to as a Team Event but it would clearly not be suitable for the Team Appearances section. You can start a discussion at WT:GOLF. Nigej (talk) 06:13, 23 April 2019 (UTC)

TV ratings for golf
Hi there, do you know a website that shows the TV viewership numbers for the programs aired in the UK? The Zurich Classic had bad numbers in the USA this past weekend, and I was wondering how it did over there. Are there any websites that show the TV ratings for the programs on British TV? Johnsmith2116 (talk) 18:54, 30 April 2019 (UTC)
 * There is an organisation called BARB but I don't think detailed information like golf viewing figures is available without paying. Nigej (talk) 19:06, 30 April 2019 (UTC)
 * Okay thanks Johnsmith2116 (talk) 18:47, 2 May 2019 (UTC)

LET coverage
Do you guys have adequate coverage of the Ladies European Tour there? Johnsmith2116 (talk) 22:46, 3 May 2019 (UTC)
 * It's covered (like almost all golf) on Sky: https://www.skysports.com/watch/golf-on-sky Live coverage but often not on main golf channel where it clashes with a mens event. Nigej (talk) 05:49, 4 May 2019 (UTC)
 * Okay thanks, I could not help but wonder. Golf Channel is going to show same day coverage of the La Reserva de Sotogrande Invitational here in the States, and it is rare that Golf Channel shows us same day coverage of the LET events. Johnsmith2116 (talk) 17:07, 4 May 2019 (UTC)

Far from insulting...
... it is useful to our readers. Or perhaps I know nothing, after all 21 featured articles including half a dozen in sporting events (all of which include a brief background section, all of which have received strong community consensus as being beyond acceptable) is probably meaningless to the snooker project who, in totality, have precisely zero featured articles. I wonder why that is. The Rambling Man (talk) 12:22, 8 May 2019 (UTC)
 * "not something I approve of"! The Rambling Man (talk) 20:45, 8 May 2019 (UTC)
 * Are you Donald Trump in his spare time? You seems to have all his traits. Nigej (talk) 21:09, 8 May 2019 (UTC)
 * You seems to too! Take a look closer to home. The Rambling Man (talk) 21:32, 8 May 2019 (UTC)
 * Like pettily picking up other people's spelling mistakes. What sort of person are you? Nigej (talk) 05:40, 9 May 2019 (UTC)
 * I'm not a person, I'm a dog! *Woofs!*  The Rambling Man (talk) 05:42, 9 May 2019 (UTC)
 * OK Nigej (talk) 05:52, 9 May 2019 (UTC)

Watford vs. West Ham
Does your TV schedule show that this Watford vs West Ham game is scheduled for 3:00 PM British time on Sunday? Oddly enough, our Golf Channel is actually scheduled to show this game on Sunday, to the point that the times for the final round of the British Masters have apparently been moved up. Johnsmith2116 (talk) 08:32, 9 May 2019 (UTC)
 * The match is definitely on Sunday at 3 pm local time. Last day of the premier league, all 10 matches being played at the same time. Not sure why they'd be showing a mid-table match when the interest is between Man City and Liverpool. No idea when the tee times are for the golf but would't clash on TV here since golf and soccer have different Sky channels. Nigej (talk) 08:44, 9 May 2019 (UTC)
 * Thanks. Well, like I was telling someone earlier, Sky used to be in the Fox family, but Sky is now in the NBC family, and the NBC family shows quite a bit of the Premier League here in the States. And NBC now owns Golf Channel, so, I suppose Golf Channel is under some strange obligation to show this Watford/West Ham match. Although there is a possibility that the TV schedule is wrong. I won't know until the time comes on Sunday morning. ... I can say though that the coverage I watched this morning of the British Masters on Golf Channel was in fact a feed from Sky. It was not a production of Golf Channel itself. It definitely was the Sky feed, with Sky announcers and graphics. This is the first time that Golf Channel has done this. ... And finally, I saw a big crowd at that tournament. It seems like it is getting the same amount of attention that the BMW PGA Championship has gotten. Johnsmith2116 (talk) 19:04, 9 May 2019 (UTC)
 * Usually good crowds for British events. Of course this one's in Lancashire, where they're very keen on their golf, rather than the London area. Nigej (talk) 19:13, 9 May 2019 (UTC)
 * I checked the tee times for the final round, and the last tee time is 9:50 (4:50 for me). So, I think this means they want to be finished early so they don't have to compete with all the footy. I'm going to try to be up early to see the finish. Johnsmith2116 (talk) 19:43, 11 May 2019 (UTC)
 * Yes, that's a very early time for the last group. Nigej (talk) 19:50, 11 May 2019 (UTC)
 * Yep. Well that won't be the only early tee time. The final round of the Regions Tradition will be seen here on a delay on Golf Channel, as the tee times have been moved up to avoid bad weather. The last tee time will go out at 9:00 AM Central time, 10:00 AM my time. Golf Channel's coverage of it begins at 12:00 PM, making the delay approximately 3 hours. ... And as I am typing this, the Byron Nelson on CBS got going only a few minutes ago due to weather, and they are 6 hours behind schedule today. Clearly they will not be able to finish the third round today. They are talking about making two cuts, with only 60 players finishing the 4th round so they can actually have four rounds while at the same time being able to get finished on Sunday, to avoid having a Monday finish right before the PGA Championship. Johnsmith2116 (talk) 20:12, 11 May 2019 (UTC)
 * (Sunday) It looks like we might be in for a playoff. Johnsmith2116 (talk) 13:34, 12 May 2019 (UTC)
 * No need for a playoff, the young Swede won. ... On the topic of football though, I now know why our Golf Channel is showing the West Ham/Watford game. It is because ten NBC related outlets are showing all the games today. This included the NBC broadcast network itself, eight of NBC's cable partners (including Golf Channel), and one website. Johnsmith2116 (talk) 14:14, 12 May 2019 (UTC)
 * The Regions Tradition is stalled for the moment due to weather. So, if/when they get started later, maybe we will be able to see it live afterall, instead of on a tape delay. Johnsmith2116 (talk) 17:09, 12 May 2019 (UTC)

Ronnie O'Sullivan's Current Ranking is missing from his infobox !
Hello how are ?. Ronnie's current ranking is missing from his infobox page. I tried to edit it but I can only find "High Rank" in the infobox. there is no sign of current rankings in there. How do I edit the page to include this info please ?. Regards 178.167.211.161 (talk) 16:58, 10 May 2019 (UTC)
 * It's a separate file. It had a typo in it which I have corrected. Thanks for letting me know. Nigej (talk) 17:06, 10 May 2019 (UTC)

Where is the file please so I know for future reference please ?. Regards 178.167.230.220 (talk) 18:07, 10 May 2019 (UTC)
 * It's in Template:Infobox snooker player/rankings Looks like it's semi-protected. Nigej (talk) 18:15, 10 May 2019 (UTC)

How would I even go about finding that ?. 178.167.230.220 (talk) 18:24, 10 May 2019 (UTC)

It has Jimmy at 79 but Jimmy has dropped off the tour, he has received a two year Invitational tour card starting with no money. So he really should be 128 in the world right ?. 178.167.230.220 (talk) 18:28, 10 May 2019 (UTC)
 * The file is simply a copy of http://www.worldsnooker.com/rankings/ That says Jimmy is 79, so this file says he's 79. When http://www.worldsnooker.com/rankings/ gets changed we change this file. Nigej (talk) 18:34, 10 May 2019 (UTC)

you know my point world snooker are never up to speed. 178.167.230.220 (talk) 18:49, 10 May 2019 (UTC)
 * At some point before the first ranking event they change from the end-of-season rankings to the new pre-season rankings, but we don't know when that will be. You are right though that they often do this a rather disorganised way. We'll simply have to wait and see. Nigej (talk) 18:56, 10 May 2019 (UTC)

Philip Scrutton Jug - Past Winners
Do you have a list of the previous winners of the Scrutton Jug? Thanks Allrightnow1970 (talk) 18:46, 10 May 2019 (UTC)
 * Sorry no. I've looked in the past but not found one. It would be nice to have a list. Nigej (talk) 18:57, 10 May 2019 (UTC)

Thanks
Thanks for disambiguating those names. Actually I had copy & pasted them from someone else who originally typed them, and it didn't occur to me to see if they needed disambiguated. Johnsmith2116 (talk) 14:50, 12 May 2019 (UTC)
 * That's ok. No playoff in the golf, so that probably suited the TV companies. Nigej (talk) 14:53, 12 May 2019 (UTC)
 * Yes, and also it meant that the British Masters playoff did not have to compete for an audience with the EPL. ... Speaking of that, since Golf Channel was under obligation to NBC to show that West Ham game, I don't know what would have happened to Golf Channel's coverage of the West Ham game if the British Masters had gone into a playoff. It's a good thing it didn't happen. Thanks to Marcus Kinhult's birdie putt for the win. Johnsmith2116 (talk) 17:14, 12 May 2019 (UTC)
 * Yes. Good win for him. Thought he'd thrown it away with those two bogeys. Nigej (talk) 17:51, 12 May 2019 (UTC)

Sky Sports on the scene at the PGA Championship
I'm watching "Live From The PGA Championship" on Golf Channel, and this segment is soley with the personalities from Sky Sports, along with their Sky Sports microphones, doing "On The Range". As I mentioned previously, Sky is now in the NBC/Golf Channel family. And, because we get the Open Championship tournament coverage on Golf Channel and NBC, I don't doubt that we will see plenty of Sky when that time comes this summer. ... TNT and CBS give us approximately 28 hours of PGA Championship tournament coverage. And Golf Channel and NBC give us nearly 50 hours of Open Championship tournament coverage. Hopefully the fans in the UK can get as much tournament coverage on the networks in the UK. Johnsmith2116 (talk) 19:26, 15 May 2019 (UTC)

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Curious
Hi there, I was wondering about the "−12" next to Koepka's name. I didn't notice any difference. Can you tell me how it was changed, because I can't see it? Johnsmith2116 (talk) 13:42, 19 May 2019 (UTC)
 * Strictly speaking there's a difference between the minus sign (−) and the en dash (–). So −12 but May 16–19, 2019. Of course they look very similar. On my screen the en dash is lower down and slightly longer. Nigej (talk) 13:49, 19 May 2019 (UTC)
 * Okay thanks for clarifying this. Well, all I did was copy & paste it from the second round grid. So, that means the second round one is incorrect also. Johnsmith2116 (talk) 13:52, 19 May 2019 (UTC)
 * Seems ok now. Perhaps it was wrong when you copied it. Nigej (talk) 13:59, 19 May 2019 (UTC)
 * Hmm, odd. No one else came in and edited anything in between myself last night and you today. So, either it magically fixed itself, or else it was correct from the beginning and the act of copying it makes it come out incorrectly. Sometimes these things are mysterious. Johnsmith2116 (talk) 14:10, 19 May 2019 (UTC)

European circuit in Golf
I noticed you have included this in Peter Thomson's page. There was no such thing as a European circuit. Is just a term you have created ? Regards 92.251.190.21 (talk) 13:15, 1 June 2019 (UTC)
 * See: https://books.google.co.uk/books?id=TfFRAwAAQBAJ&pg=PA72&lpg=PA72&dq=%22european+circuit%22+golf+1971&source=bl&ots=7YgS-0yGrQ&sig=ACfU3U2M7n01cQTZKj-w6YZdzmvHQbqcXw&hl=en&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwic96rLtMjiAhUP0uAKHeQ6Bo4Q6AEwCnoECAkQAQ#v=onepage&q=%22european%20circuit%22%20golf%201971&f=false "Second, there was the formation of a European Circuit." This source seems to distinguish it from the British Circuit, so "British/European Circuit wins" would be better. Or just "European wins" might be simpler. Nigej (talk) 13:46, 1 June 2019 (UTC)
 * https://rafgs.org/professionalhonoursroll/ "The Penfold Tournament was a golf tournament on the European circuit / European Tour. It was played from 1932 to 1974 at a variety of courses." Nigej (talk) 13:47, 1 June 2019 (UTC)

Fifth Centenary Cup
this is an exact translation of the event. Check out Seve's career wins on the PGA Tour and Gold today which list all his career win both reference as Fifth Centenary Cup. 92.251.149.238 (talk) 15:32, 4 June 2019 (UTC)
 * see Seve's talk page Nigej (talk) 15:37, 4 June 2019 (UTC)

Amanda Anisimova
Has American Amanda Anisimova gotten much conversation going over there? I am watching coverage on Tennis Channel (and later NBC) of the women's semifinal match, and she is leading 1 set to 0. The last American woman to win the French Open not named Williams was Capriati in 2001, and coincidentally Amanda was born in 2001. And her Wikipedia page got over 140,000 views yesterday. .. Also, looking forward to the big Federer/Nadal match.
 * Little coverage I think. Mostly focused on Konta. Not many people know anything about the other semi-finalists. Anyway I see that Konta and Anisimova have both lost. Nigej (talk) 11:23, 7 June 2019 (UTC)
 * I was rooting for Konta. A British woman hasn't made it to the final of a major since the 1970's. Also of course I was rooting for Amanda, but she simply was overpowered by the Aussie Barty toward the end of the match. But Amanda is young and she will be back. It will be interesting to see what she does in a few weeks at Wimbledon, Konta too. Johnsmith2116 (talk) 08:40, 8 June 2019 (UTC)

Who said the lead was meant to be brief ?
Have you seen the pages on Jack Nicklaus and Tiger Woods their leads are nearly a full page. Also it is not up to your discretion to decide if the youngest this or that is included. you do not own the rights to Wikipedia content. DooksFoley147 (talk) 17:35, 7 June 2019 (UTC)
 * Compare Stephen Hendry: " His first world title in 1990, at the age of 21, made him the youngest-ever world champion, a record that he still holds." nice and clear. Ronnie O'Sullivan: " He won the 1993 UK Championship aged 17 years and 358 days, thus becoming the youngest ever winner of a ranking title. He is also the youngest winner of The Masters, winning the 1995 tournament at the age of 19 years and 69 days." excessive detail. Nigej (talk) 17:54, 7 June 2019 (UTC)

England/Norway
Best of luck to England against Norway in the Women's World Cup quarterfinals. If England wins, in the semifinals they would play the winner of the USA and the home team France. Johnsmith2116 (talk) 04:59, 26 June 2019 (UTC)

And it will be the USA against England in the semifinals, on Tuesday. Johnsmith2116 (talk) 02:33, 29 June 2019 (UTC)


 * But first, today Wimbledon begins. It is always one of my favorite tournaments to watch. Johnsmith2116 (talk) 09:59, 1 July 2019 (UTC)
 * Yes. They run it very well. Difficult to see England beating the US tomorrow but you never know in sport. Nigej (talk) 10:04, 1 July 2019 (UTC)
 * Yep, you never know. As far as Wimbledon though, the coverage here started less than 10 minutes ago. ESPN is giving us eleven hours of coverage today, 6:00 AM to 5:00 PM my time (11:00 AM to 10:00 PM in the UK.)
 * But I like the women's USA soccer team's chances better than I like the USA rugby men's team's chances. In late September, it will be time for the next rugby World Cup, and our USA team usually gets beaten soundly. I'm hoping for a single win by them. There isn't really much rugby talent developed here, and so our national rugby team is usually inferior to the other national teams.

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Some mixed questions
If you'll indulge me, I have three unrelated questions. First, do you know why the Irish Open would have one wave of tee times this year, when they had two waves last year? Second, do you know if our Independence Day parade that our president is putting on will be on television over there later today? And third, as far as the Gold Cup and the Copa America events, do you know if either one of those are being televised over there and whether anyone there has any interest in watching them? Johnsmith2116 (talk) 07:10, 4 July 2019 (UTC)
 * No idea about the Irish Open. Perhaps because the 10th tee is nowhere near the clubhouse. Re: Independence Day, I suspect that it'll be a big story for the 24 hour news channels but probably not sufficient interest for separate programmes. Gold Cup and the Copa America are niche events over here. Perhaps more interest in the Africa Cup of Nations. Nigej (talk) 12:10, 4 July 2019 (UTC)
 * Thank you. Johnsmith2116 (talk) 15:39, 6 July 2019 (UTC)
 * By the way, I happened to find coverage of the Africa Cup on TV here. It's on Bein Sports, which has very low viewership, averaging only 4,000 viewers per day nationwide across the USA. Here is a chart of mine that I made to show the viewership of several networks: Cable television viewership Johnsmith2116 (talk) 06:52, 7 July 2019 (UTC)

Konta
Konta has put Stephens out. Konta has to be considered one of the favorites to win Wimbledon. Johnsmith2116 (talk) 15:41, 6 July 2019 (UTC)
 * Yes. Seems a streaky player so me. Top-10 at one time, then dropped down the rankings. Now on an up, so anything could happen. Nigej (talk) 16:28, 6 July 2019 (UTC)
 * Well also, Alison Riske has put of the number 1 player, Barty. It's getting interesting.

Golf and tennis majors
Have you ever noticed the lack of unique criteria used in the selection of the players in the tennis majors? I like tennis, but I noticed that the nationalities in the tennis majors is basically the same across the Australian Open, French Open, Wimbledon, and US Open. But the golf majors obviously have unique criteria for each of them; there is a huge difference between the nationality distribution of the US Open golf and the Open Championship golf, easily proving that there is unique criteria used for each. So, if tennis uses the same criteria for all four majors, the only difference they have is the geographic location. Johnsmith2116 (talk) 12:10, 17 July 2019 (UTC)
 * Perhaps golf is a little unusual in that the four majors each decide their own qualifying rules. I don't think they are quite as distinctive as they used to be though. The top x in the world rankings get in automatically and since one of them near always wins (31 in a row have been in the world top-50), they aren't quite so different as you might think. Of course, the tennis grand slams are distinctive in other ways (eg the surface) like the golf majors. Nigej (talk) 14:16, 17 July 2019 (UTC)
 * True, the surfaces are different. Somehow that slipped my mind even though it's something I've always known. And of course our US Open tennis tournament is coming up in a few weeks, it starts a week before Lobo(u)r Day, and finishes a week after. Johnsmith2116 (talk) 14:43, 17 July 2019 (UTC)

Spam
Those links to outside websites (which may or may not be harmful to our computers) tend to get onto the pages of major golf tournaments. You might have noticed in each case, the username who is posting those links is never a regular user of Wikipedia. Johnsmith2116 (talk) 10:27, 18 July 2019 (UTC)
 * That's right. Hopefully a warning message is enough to put this one off. Nigej (talk) 10:33, 18 July 2019 (UTC)
 * I hope so, too. But then again, if more than one person is going to do that type of spam, there could be more spam on the way. I guess all we can do is remove it when we see it, and hopefully no one clicks on those links. Johnsmith2116 (talk) 11:27, 18 July 2019 (UTC)
 * Caught another one. And this one had been blocked less than a month ago. Johnsmith2116 (talk) 10:56, 19 July 2019 (UTC)

A busy time
Wow, this week in golf we have a WGC (and an alternate event), a senior major, and a women's major. This means extra work filling in scores in Wikipedia. Then next week, we have another women's major to fill in. ... But I'm not complaining, better to have too much golf than not enough. Also I'm looking forward to seeing the Solheim Cup at GlenEagles in Scotland. What I can't understand is why the PGA Tour schedule is going to have the QBE Shootout and the Presidents Cup in the same week. Maybe they simply ran out of calendar. Johnsmith2116 (talk) 11:36, 22 July 2019 (UTC)
 * Seems to be a busy time for me too. Weekend away and missed all the golf. Got home about 5 minutes are it was all over. Nigej (talk) 07:27, 23 July 2019 (UTC)
 * Sorry to hear you missed it, but hopefully you liked whatever you were doing on the weekend. Johnsmith2116 (talk) 15:09, 23 July 2019 (UTC)
 * Also, in the WGC-FedEx St. Jude Invitational, Europe has increased its number of players in this event this year. All the other continents though have had decreased their numbers. 19 of the 63 players are European. 10 of them are English. Johnsmith2116 (talk) 22:02, 23 July 2019 (UTC)

Thanks
Well done, filling out the FedEx Cup page. That saves me the time today. Also, impressive that you did it all in one edit. I don't know if you had it prepared in advance and simply copied and pasted from a scrip you worked on, but still, well done. Each year, that page is one that requires quite a bit of work. ... Next summer, we will have the Olympic Golf pages to work on, and that is a ton of work. On the one Olympic golf page I worked on in 2016, I think I had over 100 edits there. It's nice when it can be worked on by several editors. Johnsmith2116 (talk) 13:59, 5 August 2019 (UTC)
 * I used an external editor (Vim) for the basic work, cutting and pasting from the official site. Nigej (talk) 16:08, 5 August 2019 (UTC)
 * Okay thanks. ... Also, I found the page I was talking about. Here are the statistics on it: https://xtools.wmflabs.org/articleinfo/en.wikipedia.org/Golf_at_the_2016_Summer_Olympics_%E2%80%93_Men%27s_individual Johnsmith2116 (talk) 12:36, 6 August 2019 (UTC)

On an off topic, I am watching the Canadian Open tennis tournament, on Tennis Channel. This is one of the nine Masters events in tennis. Currently it is the Konta match I am watching, against Yastremska. And next week it is another Masters event in Cincinnati, Ohio (Ohio is my home state). If Konta were to win this tournament, it would give her good momentum going into the US Open in a few weeks. And by the way, this tournament is the only Masters series event in which the men and women play at two separate locations. Johnsmith2116 (talk) 15:37, 5 August 2019 (UTC)

On The Range
Here in the States, Golf Channel is showing the Sky feed of "On The Range". It's a 90 minute live special that they are showing each Wednesday before the playoffs. Hopefully they will continue to have this every week throughout the season, not only during these playoffs. We'll see. And later this afternoon, immediately after the finish of this show, Fox Sports 1 will have coverage of the U.S. Women's Amateur Championship. Johnsmith2116 (talk) 18:54, 7 August 2019 (UTC)

2019 FedEx Cup Playoffs
Hi, the reason I changed it back to "0" is because I didn't know if "E" might affect the sort when someone clicks on that as an option. Johnsmith2116 (talk) 06:45, 19 August 2019 (UTC)
 * You are right. I have changed the column to use nts/ntsh so it sorts ok now, I think. Nigej (talk) 06:56, 19 August 2019 (UTC)

MLS
The English Premier League has a fan base here in the USA, as I have seen the TV ratings for it. It actually does a little better here than MLS does. But anyway, I was wondering, is MLS ever on TV in the UK? I can't see that it would be, but I could be wrong. Well, if it is, and if they show it live, this Sunday night at 3:30 AM UK time, the two Los Angeles teams play each other, maybe you can find it. ... I notice the AFL games on TV here in the middle of the night, every week. Johnsmith2116 (talk) 05:15, 21 August 2019 (UTC)
 * I don't think there's much TV coverage, although it does get plenty of newspaper coverage when big name British players are involved (eg David Beckham, Wayne Rooney). Nigej (talk) 05:40, 21 August 2019 (UTC)
 * There is select coverage, but it's poor, and you have to seek it out. Shame really, there's a few good games a season worth watching live. Best Wishes,  Lee Vilenski (talk • contribs) 07:52, 21 August 2019 (UTC)
 * Thanks for your input, Lee. And thank you, Nigej. Well, I'm looking forward to the US Open tennis tournament this coming Monday. And I'm certain the US Open has plenty of coverage in the UK. Johnsmith2116 (talk) 09:27, 21 August 2019 (UTC)
 * The English Premier League television viewership appears to be thriving here in the USA. This past Saturday, the Liverpool/Tottenham game got 1,189,000 viewers around the USA. Even MLS (our own league) doesn't get that much viewership in the USA. I'd like to think that MLS gets decent viewership over there, but I'm guessing it doesn't, but that's okay. I'm guessing the EPL viewership is thriving all over the world. Johnsmith2116 (talk) 03:38, 16 January 2020 (UTC)

Help with an FAC?
Hi Nigej,

I hope you are well. I have an open WP:FAC at Featured article candidates/2019 Tour Championship/archive1 that is likely to be closed soon without more input. If you get time, feel free to comment. 07:54, 21 August 2019 (UTC)
 * Well done, Lee Vilenski. I hope it works out for you. Cheers. Johnsmith2116 (talk) 09:22, 21 August 2019 (UTC)
 * Thanks for your comments, Nigej, I'll take a look in a bit! Best Wishes,  Lee Vilenski (talk • contribs) 10:56, 21 August 2019 (UTC)
 * Hi Nigej, I think I covered it all, would it be possible to add more comments, or support/oppose for me? Thanks for your help with this! Best Wishes,  Lee Vilenski (talk • contribs) 13:08, 30 August 2019 (UTC)

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Walker Cup
I would have helped on the 2019 Walker Cup page, but for some reason it is not on TV here in the States. All we have is a 1 hour highlight show of it on Golf Channel tonight at 11:00 PM. This is frustrating not being able to see it. I'm not suggesting that 10 million people would watch it on TV here stateside, but I'm sure a few hundred thousand (such as myself) across the USA would like to be able to see it. Johnsmith2116 (talk) 12:15, 8 September 2019 (UTC)

And I see Cole Hammer is in it. I'd like to see his singles match, but can't. Johnsmith2116 (talk) 12:18, 8 September 2019 (UTC)
 * Well, I found the online leaderboard. Very irritating that it is not on TV here. We have wall to wall golf coverage on TV any other time (even the Asia Pacific Amateur), but for some reason we do not get to see the Walker. Hmm, go figure. It's not over yet, but the USA has clinched. I'm geared up to watch that men's US Open tennis final later today, and looking forward later in the week to the new PGA Tour season. And personally, I was glad to see the Canadian girl win the women's US Open yesterday. She was quite impressive. Johnsmith2116 (talk) 16:52, 8 September 2019 (UTC)
 * Update on the tennis. Here in the States, the US Open men's championship match got 2,700,000 viewers, which is 700,000 more than last year. And the women's championship match got 3,200,000 viewers, which is 200,000 more than last year. So, an improvement for each of them. Johnsmith2116 (talk) 17:55, 10 September 2019 (UTC)

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2019 Solheim Cup
I went to push "publish changes" on that page, to load the afternoon matches in, and it turns out that you beat me by a few seconds. Well done. Johnsmith2116 (talk) 11:35, 14 September 2019 (UTC)
 * Update: Europe current has more match leads than the USA does, as of 2:00 PM UK time. Europe could take the Cup back. Still a long way to go, though.

Seeking FA review comments for 2019 World Snooker Championship
Hello and thank you for reviewing the 2019 Tour Championship article for FA. Would you be interested in doing the same for the 2019 World Snooker Championship? You might not have noticed that Lee put it on the project page last week. As I did a lot of work on the article before it was nominated, I can't take part in the review and I'm therefore a co-nominator for this one. Any comments/criticisms/suggestions/queries would be most welcome, if you have time to take a look. Thank you! Rodney Baggins (talk) 09:51, 16 September 2019 (UTC)
 * Yes. Happy to do that. Nigej (talk) 11:15, 16 September 2019 (UTC)

European Tour website
Hi there, I was wondering if you too are having trouble getting the website to work properly? I can't get anything to load on there with their new layout. It's mostly useless to me at the moment. Is it any better for you? Johnsmith2116 (talk) 17:47, 2 October 2019 (UTC)
 * Haven't really used it too much to know but it seems ok for simple things. Just hoping its better than the attempt they made a year or two back. Nigej (talk) 18:12, 2 October 2019 (UTC)
 * Well hopefully something changes. I can't get anything on it to work. Maybe it's not compatible with my computer. I was hoping to find a button to change it back to the way it was. I can't find a leaderboard or anything. Johnsmith2116 (talk) 18:18, 2 October 2019 (UTC)
 * Seems to basically work for me. Not sure what your problem might be. Nigej (talk) 18:20, 2 October 2019 (UTC)
 * And yes I remember when they had changed it initially. I was relieved when they had changed it back. Johnsmith2116 (talk) 19:26, 2 October 2019 (UTC)

New FA
Hi Nigej, sorry to bother you once again! I have a new FAC at Featured article candidates/1985 World Snooker Championship/archive1 open, and as always I appreciate your comments.

I'll try my best to make this one my last for a while! Best Wishes,  Lee Vilenski (talk • contribs) 18:27, 5 October 2019 (UTC)
 * Yes, I'll have a look, perhaps tomorrow. Nigej (talk) 18:30, 5 October 2019 (UTC)
 * No rush, thank you so much. :) Best Wishes,  Lee Vilenski (talk • contribs) 18:31, 5 October 2019 (UTC)

European circuit wins for Peter Townsend
Are we sure the Coca-Cola Young Professionals' Championship and Walworth Aloyco Tournament can be categorized as European circuit wins? With the Coca-Cola tournament it was limited to pro golfers under the age of 25 - not a lot. Also - and more importantly - it was not added to the European Tour schedule during its inaugural 1972 season (or any subsequent year). Lastly, Peter Oosterhuis' win is not placed under his "European circuit" label.

Secondly, I know nothing of the importance of the Walworth Aloyco Tournament. There is no Wikipedia page for it and there are no citations for Townsend's win or previous tournaments. From what I can tell it was only held from 1969-71.

Oogglywoogly (talk) 00:29, 10 October 2019 (UTC)Oogglywoogly
 * I think this sort of thing is something of a black art. Probably the two could be hived off into the other wins section. There were a few of these age restricted events at the time and they got a fair amount of coverage. Some of the continental tournaments were not well covered by the British press but I did create an article on the Italian BP Open at one time. Will have a look at the Walworth Aloyco. Nigej (talk) 05:23, 10 October 2019 (UTC)
 * Have added a ref for Townsend. Seems it was only held 1969 to 1971. Can't find a suitable reference for 1969 and 1970 but see 1969: https://www.britishnewspaperarchive.co.uk/search/results/1969-04-01/1969-04-30?basicsearch=walworth%20golf&somesearch=walworth%20golf&retrievecountrycounts=false 1970: see https://www.britishnewspaperarchive.co.uk/search/results/1970-04-01/1970-04-30?basicsearch=walworth%20golf&somesearch=walworth%20golf&retrievecountrycounts=false which confirms it was held each of these years in early April, the week after the Italian BP Open. Nigej (talk) 05:50, 10 October 2019 (UTC)
 * Found the following: https://news.google.com/newspapers?id=wuxAAAAAIBAJ&sjid=VKcMAAAAIBAJ&pg=3861%2C898970 https://news.google.com/newspapers?id=IOJAAAAAIBAJ&sjid=FKcMAAAAIBAJ&pg=2657%2C852836 Almost enough for an article, although 1969 has only the barest details. Nigej (talk) 18:32, 10 October 2019 (UTC)
 * Have now found that Alberto Croce won something with a very similar name in 1972. Nigej (talk) 19:09, 10 October 2019 (UTC)

I have found the following in a Dutch publication http://www.nga-earlygolf.nl/golfarchief/files/original/58e6005f9dcb96896c4327cffd031823.pdf (page 138) which talks about the fact that winners of continental opens were given an entry to the 1970 British PGA Matchplay Championship. Translating it says "will now also be invited twelve continental professionals from the first in the Open championships that will be played in the twelve months prior to July 30, namely: Portugal, Spain, France, the Netherlands, West Germany, Switzerland, Italy (the Walworth-Aloyco tournament) and Scandinavia ..." Seems the Walworth-Aloyco was regarded as the equivalent of the Italian Open that year (the Italian Open was not played from 1961 to 1970) which would make it a fairly important event that year. Nigej (talk) 14:34, 11 October 2019 (UTC)

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MLS Cup
Will MLS Cup 2019 be on TV in the UK? It will be at 8:00 PM tonight in the UK. Johnsmith2116 (talk) 13:10, 10 November 2019 (UTC)

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Snooker Shoot Out 2011-2019
Hi Nigej how are you ?. i see you have removed the hyphen from the Shoot Out homepage which i agree with. can you remove the hyphen from the tournament pages that took place between 2011 to 2019 please ?.This would make it the same as the hompage. regards 31.200.168.241 (talk) 15:43, 7 December 2019 (UTC)
 * That would probably be incorrect. If the event had a hyphen in it when it took place it should retain the hyphen, otherwise we'd be rewriting history. I'm not yet clear to me which events had a hyphen in them. Nigej (talk) 16:31, 7 December 2019 (UTC)
 * See WT:SNOOKER. Nigej (talk) 09:11, 8 December 2019 (UTC)

6 red world seniors
nigej can you explain to me why this event which is a variant event is colour coded like a normal 15 red seniors event ?. variant events like this and the main tour 6 reds event are always colour coded like all previous variants. this is nonsense. regards — Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.251.199.24 (talk) 22:48, 15 December 2019 (UTC)
 * The Snooker Shoot Out is treated as any other ranking event. 6-red events can be treated similarly. Treating a 6 red seniors event as both variant and senior is just making the thing overly complex. Anyway its a very minor event anyway. As to the fact that variant events "are always colour coded" ..., we can simply change the previous seasons too. Nigej (talk) 22:57, 15 December 2019 (UTC)

The Shootout is a 15 red ranking event where century breaks and 147s count towards career totals. the 6 reds events cannot be treated similarly as they go to the variant events finals section. if you don't want two colours why can't you make it blue like the other 6 red variant played on the main tour ?.you say it is a minor event so why not use the variant colour being used for 10 years ? regards — Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.251.199.24 (talk) 23:19, 15 December 2019 (UTC)
 * Variant relates to "vary", ie they vary the rules: eg the shot clock, ball in hand for fouls, etc. So the Shoot Out is clearly a variant event. We should get rid of the VE in the table in my view. The fact that we've done something for the last 10 years is no good reason to keep going with that style, otherwise nothing could ever change. Nigej (talk) 08:32, 16 December 2019 (UTC)

Okey, I can see that. Still I find it more logical to show prize money för each player. EEJB (talk) 21:36, 28 December 2019 (UTC)

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1991 World Cup
Thanks for helping start the page up. But in my opinion, place is tied, but each player has his own score and his own prize money. This is in accordance with wiki way för golf results. I will soon try to get the page complete. EEJB (talk) 19:33, 28 December 2019 (UTC)
 * If you look at other articles you can see that we generally include separate scores for each player but have common fields for prize money: see eg 1966 Canada Cup or 1991 Masters Tournament. Nigej (talk) 21:19, 28 December 2019 (UTC)

Myth-busting: ministers of Kingdom of Hungary with Germanic and Slavic names
Ministers with Foreign names 1867 – 1944


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Miákits Ferenc Peidl Gyula Grünn János Walko Lajos Bud János Reményi-Schneller Lajos Gordon Ferenc


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Somssich József Gratz Gusztáv Wenckheim Béla Scitovszky Tibor Walko Lajos Roszner Ervin


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Klauzál Gábor Gorove István Trefort Ágoston Feilitzsch Artúr Nyisztor György Vántus Károly Rubinek Gyula Mayer János Schandl Károly Marschall Ferenc Sztranyavszky Sándor Jurcsek Béla


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Horánszky Nándor Láng Lajos Hieronymi Károly Friedrich István Heinrich Ferenc Rubinek Gyula Herrmann Miksa Bud János — Preceding unsigned comment added by CumbererStone (talk • contribs) 08:22, 5 January 2020 (UTC)

ICL International
Hi. Are you sure about this addition, as lots of tournaments were called "international" at this time and the source doesn't mention ICL, plus other sources don't support the tournament ever being held at Houghton? 51.6.161.113 (talk) 14:51, 13 January 2020 (UTC)
 * Not at all confident I would say. I did find this http://www.sunshinetour.info/profiles/profile.php?player=BAI001 (click on career highlights) This lists "ICL Transvaal International" in December 1976 (presumably the same event) which we are missing both in ICL International and in the Hugh Baiocchi article. Townsend's 1976 win was in January (https://news.google.com/newspapers?id=c5JAAAAAIBAJ&sjid=BaUMAAAAIBAJ&pg=1638%2C3110227) so this could plausibly be the ICL International. http://www.thegolfclub.co.za/hughbaiocchi.htm calls this event "Transvaal Open" which confuses the issue even more. The same article has him winning the 1974 ICL Transvaal Open which seems to be what we have as a Transvaal Open win at the end of 1973. Overall it seems to me possible that ICL sponsored the Transvaal Open in 1973/74 and at some point this turned into the ICL International. Combining the two events, we have Baiocchi (73/74), Baker (74/75), Townsend (75/76), Baiocchi (76/77), Player (77/78 see http://www.sunshinetour.info/profiles/profile.php?player=PLA004), Hayes (78/79) ... so exactly 1 event per season. Generally just more questions than answers I'm afraid. Nigej (talk) 16:38, 13 January 2020 (UTC)
 * You could be right, in which case the two articles (Transvaal Open & ICL International) may need to be merged if some solid references can be found. I'd ignore thegolfclub.co.za though, as it's a verbatim copy of a previous version of the article here. 51.6.161.113 (talk) 17:34, 13 January 2020 (UTC)
 * Looks like the Transvaal Open was held at Houghton in Dec 73, which fits with Baker winning the "International" there in Dec 74. And this confirms Baiocchi as the defending champion in 74. 51.6.161.113 (talk) 18:17, 13 January 2020 (UTC)
 * I'm struggling to get my brain around all this. Seems to be some loose terminology as to the precise tournament names. Nigej (talk) 18:50, 13 January 2020 (UTC)
 * Yeah, same goes for tour/circuit names. Unfortunately most newspaper articles come from agency wire reports, which weren't overly concerned with such details! 51.6.161.113 (talk) 19:45, 13 January 2020 (UTC)
 * The only thing I'm confident about is that Baiocchi should have another win in November 1986. More refs: https://eresources.nlb.gov.sg/newspapers/Digitised/Article/newnation19731224-1.2.47.3 http://www.nga-earlygolf.nl/golfarchief/files/original/3835dee9a2e5f426dab61750abdb139e.pdf (search ICL) "Three times Baiocchi. The 29-year-old South African Hugh Baiocchi has Dutch soil quite done. He triumphed in three consecutive tournaments. He won the ICL International Transvaal Open in Johannesburg with one stroke from Gary Player and Tienie Britz. To be score: 68-66-69-65 = 268, 12 below par. Fourth was 22-year-old amateur Gavin Levenson, who is on his way homecourse Kensington 10 below par was playing. In the following 72-hole strokeplay competition, the Holiday Inns International, Baiocchi went round in 15 under par: 69-65-70-69 = 273. Here he won in an extension on the fourth extra hole from Dale Hayes. Your international Open champion of the Netherlands 1975, Hugh Baiocchi, has spent the winter in South Africa in a fruitful way. In he even played three tournaments for Gary Player and Dale Hayes elusive. Finally our international won Open champion of 1975 on the Royal Salisbury Golf Club the Rhodesian Masters with a score of 67-72-66-69 = 274. Baiocchi, that last won the Scandinavian Open and ended up as 1 le on the Order of Merit in Europe, won in three weeks 9600 Rand, around 28,000 guilders," (google translate) Nigej (talk) 20:03, 13 January 2020 (UTC)
 * Found this which confirms Vin Baker's win as being the ICL Transvaal Open, so have made the corresponding changes to all articles concerned. Still no clearer as to whether the ICL International was a continuation of the Transvaal Open or a different tournament. 51.6.161.113 (talk) 11:41, 14 January 2020 (UTC)
 * Have we resolved which article Baiocchi's win in December 1976 should go in? http://www.sunshinetour.info/profiles/profile.php?player=BAI001 says "ICL Transvaal International" and https://www.britishnewspaperarchive.co.uk/search/results/1976-12-01/1976-12-31?basicsearch=baiocchi%20kensington&exactsearch=false&retrievecountrycounts=false says "after yesterday's second round of the International golf tournament in Kensington, Johannesburg." so perhaps ICL International makes most sense. Nigej (talk) 12:08, 14 January 2020 (UTC)
 * Yes, certainly seems that way – the ICL International for the 1976 win, and Transvaal Open for the 1973 win . 51.6.161.113 (talk) 13:39, 14 January 2020 (UTC)

Matt Kuchar
I am watching Golf Channel's coverage of the final round of the Singapore Open, and Kuchar is on the 16th hole. Apparently, Golf Channel's coverage is on a 1 hour delay. I am guessing that the tee times were moved up to avoid bad weather. But, whenever that happens, Golf channel is not nice enough to move up the time they show the action, they simply shho the coverage on a delay. I see that Kuchar won, which spoils the ending. I hope at least you guys in Europe got to see the coverage live. Here, Golf Channel had no excuse not to show it live, because in the middle of the night, all they were doing was showing a repeat of something from earlier anyway. Johnsmith2116 (talk) 08:11, 19 January 2020 (UTC)
 * Must be quite a bit delayed. Got the scores from https://www.flashscore.com/golf/ some time ago. Nigej (talk) 08:18, 19 January 2020 (UTC)
 * Ah, okay. What about TV coverage? Was it on TV there? Johnsmith2116 (talk) 08:30, 19 January 2020 (UTC)
 * No coverage on Skysports Golf https://www.skysports.com/watch/tv-guide

Snooker
I started the 2020 Players Championship (snooker) page. You may want to spruce it up a bit. Johnsmith2116 (talk) 13:45, 23 January 2020 (UTC)

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Hi Nigej, I have a WP:FAC open for 2019 Champion of Champions. If you have any time, I'd appreciate any input you might have. Best Wishes,  Lee Vilenski (talk • contribs) 15:34, 23 February 2020 (UTC)

"Results in The Players Championship"
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Louis Oosthuizen
He is shown as withdrawn from the Players, but I am not sure if he teed off or not. Do you think we should leave the count at 144 players on the 2020 Players page? Or do you think we should take one of the South African numbers out and lower the tally to 143? Johnsmith2116 (talk) 16:57, 12 March 2020 (UTC)
 * It seems from https://www.pgatour.com/competition/2020/the-players-championship/leaderboard.html that he played 7 holes, so he would count as a WD and the total should be left as 144. Nigej (talk) 17:04, 12 March 2020 (UTC)
 * Thanks. But, dummy me, I hadn't thought to click on his name when I was at the site earlier. If I had, I would have already known what happened. It's easy forget that we can click on their name and check their scorecard. Johnsmith2116 (talk) 17:09, 12 March 2020 (UTC)

Al Besselink
I had or have a PGA Tour Media Guide (I have twice moved since this edit that lists the Caracas Open as a win for Besselink. (We know the PGA Tour records are full of mistakes. George Archer's record for putts in a 1980 tournament has changed over the years. Media reports at the time say 94, in 1989 it was reported as 94 too but the last time I looked the PGA Tour has it as 95. Then there is the missing Billy Casper wins and playoff loss. I think my point is made about the Tour and their crappy recordkeeping) It is actually a IC in the article till you and one other editor changed the totals and one of my pet peeves around here is the changing of something that has a reference on it. I'd add the win into Besselink's box but I don't have the scores. Would you please do it? Thanks....William, is the complaint department really on the roof? 20:07, 20 March 2020 (UTC)
 * I've changed it. I'm not 100% convinced really, https://www.pgatour.com/players/player.01084.al-besselink.html has just 1 win in 1957 not 2 and a total of 4. Official prize money is given there as $13,041 which is confirmed by newspaper reports at the end of 1957. Unclear whether this includes the $4,000 he got for winning in Caracas. He won $2,800 for winning the Kansas City Open, so perhaps would struggle to have got $13,041 without the $4,000. Nigej (talk) 21:16, 20 March 2020 (UTC)

A kitten for you!
I apologize if I sounded harsh in my talk page post yesterday. You do good work on golf related articles.

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Pavit Tangkamolprasert
Hi there, I have seen that you have created a lot of pages for golfers etc. Would you be interested (if you wanted to and had the time), in making a page for the young Thai golfer Pavit Tangkamolprasert. I believe he has already won twice on the Asian Tour. Many thanks. Jimmymci234 (talk) 12:41, 28 March 2020 (UTC)
 * Can do, but may be a few days. Special:WhatLinksHere/Pavit Tangkamolprasert seems to have plenty of links. Nigej (talk) 13:34, 28 March 2020 (UTC)
 * Ok, thanks. Jimmymci234 (talk) 14:28, 28 March 2020 (UTC)
 * Changed my mind. Created something. Very stubby but added some references which should stop in being deleted. Nigej (talk) 18:02, 28 March 2020 (UTC)
 * Good stuff, thanks for that, appreciate it. Jimmymci234 (talk) 20:41, 28 March 2020 (UTC)

The Open
A little help updating The Open Championship page, please. Some non golf editors are doing it in a way that may not be the best. Johnsmith2116 (talk) 14:41, 6 April 2020 (UTC)

Amateur British tournaments
Has there been any word on the status of events such as the Amateur Championship? With the Open Championship being cancelled, I imagine the amateur events would be also cancelled, or at least postponed. Johnsmith2116 (talk) 21:31, 6 April 2020 (UTC)

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Championship League issues
nigej this new event is known as the "Matchroom multi sport Championship League" on the live scoring page. we will just have to title it "Matchroom Championship League" or something, putting the 2019/2020 and 2020 part in looks silly. DooksFoley147 (talk) 21:02, 21 May 2020 (UTC)

Park Drive tournaments in the 70's used months to differenciate between events as did the Classic and the PL DooksFoley147 (talk) 21:10, 21 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Why do you switch between DooksFoley147 and an IP user? Makes no sense either. Nigej (talk) 21:15, 21 May 2020 (UTC)
 * - we have rules around making it clear when editing under two accounts, or logging out to edit. Please don't fall foul of this. You'll need to provide a source of that name being the COMMONNAME. So far everything you have said is WP:ILIKEIT or WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS. Best Wishes,  Lee Vilenski (talk • contribs) 06:35, 22 May 2020 (UTC)

1985 World Snooker Championship FAC
Hi Nigej, I hope you are well! There is an FAC open at Featured article candidates/1985 World Snooker Championship/archive2 that you may be interested in. Have a great weekend. Best Wishes,  Lee Vilenski (talk • contribs) 15:17, 30 May 2020 (UTC)

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Ronnie O'Sullivan citation
You couldn't add the source?. After I said where it was instead of being smart and just replacing the citation. Good man cheers DooksFoley147 (talk) 11:27, 18 August 2020 (UTC)

Personally I regard it as trivia and unsuitable where it is. I'd be happy if it was removed completely. Nigej (talk) 16:19, 18 August 2020 (UTC)

European Ladies' Team Championship
Hi, thank you for Ubald-Bocquet. Just found out. What do you think of Morgue d'Algue, France 1969? Is it Cecilia, nee Perslow, born in Sweden and married Gaetan Md'A 1967? But on the french language wiki article, this is not among her team wins, so it may be another relative to Gaetan.
 * http://www.ega-golf.ch/sites/default/files/international_european_senior_ladies_championship_0.pdf for 2001 Nations Cup has "France (C. Mourgue d'Algue, F. Mourgue d'Algue, L. Neuhaus)" so could be F. Nigej (talk) 09:45, 20 August 2020 (UTC)
 * See https://algarvegolf.net/news/march2005.htm from 2005 which mentions "A total of 15 of these senior ladies were playing off handicaps of 5 or under, including French sisters-in-law Cecilia (0.1) and Florence Mourgue d'Algue (4.2)." Nigej (talk) 10:00, 20 August 2020 (UTC)

Wattana/Dunn/Burden
What is wrong with you these players are gone from the tour ?. Just because they appear on that list after the world Championship does not mean they have a ranking next season. By going to the 2020-21 snooker season page it is clearly stated the 29 players that will be joining the 99 other players on tour to make up the 128. None of the 3 mentioned above will be there. So what is the difference removing them now or in one month, it is fucking ridiculous. DooksFoley147 (talk) 21:42, 24 August 2020 (UTC)
 * I'm not saying that they will have a ranking next season, I'm saying that currently the official site gives them a ranking. Take the golf rankings. When Payne Stewart died he stayed on the rankings for 3 weeks. The official ranking people decided when he was removed, not us. Nigej (talk) 06:51, 25 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Also. Removing Wattana at 95 but leaving eg Fan Zhengyi at 96 makes no sense at all. Basically it's all too complicated for us to guess what all the effects will be. Let's just wait until the official organisation produces the new official rankings. Nigej (talk) 06:59, 25 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Wikipedia goes on what the sources say. Citing our own article on next season is a bit irrelavant, as it's presumptious. Right now this is all WP:CRYSTALBALL at worst, and WP:SYNTH at best. When we have reliable sources publishing the players on the Tour next season is when we should act - not before. Best Wishes,  Lee Vilenski (talk • contribs) 07:25, 25 August 2020 (UTC)

Naomichi Ozaki
Hi Nigej, I noticed that on Naomichi Ozaki's page it mentioned that he featured in the top 50 of the OWGR, however his highest ranking is not present in his infobox. Would you be able to have a look at this? Thanks. Jimmymci234 (talk) 17:34, 14 September 2020 (UTC)
 * You're right. There are quite a few golfers from the early years of the OWGR who have their entries commented out in Template:Infobox_golfer/highest_ranking. Sometimes this because the highest ranking is uncertain; sometimes because it's felt that the ranking gives a false impression (eg Jack Nicklaus who's highest ranking would be 20, when clearly he was number one for many years before the OWGR was started). Naomichi Ozaki is one such. Happy to uncomment if you feel the high ranking (which says 34) is correct. Nigej (talk) 20:00, 14 September 2020 (UTC)

Ok fair enough, didn’t know that. That’s quite interesting actually. I don’t mind either way with Ozaki’s. I just felt like it would make more sense to include as it says in his article that he featured in the top 50. Jimmymci234 (talk) 20:37, 14 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Looking closer it seems he got as high as 34 in 1999. However he was also in the top 50 during 1986 (http://dps.endavadigital.net/owgr/doc/content/archive/1986/owgr20f1986.pdf). The data for 1986 in incomplete so it's not 100% clear that 34 was his best, although it probably was. One of those tricky one. Nigej (talk) 05:35, 15 September 2020 (UTC)

No that makes sense. Thanks anyway. Jimmymci234 (talk) 05:49, 15 September 2020 (UTC)

Magyaron

 * Hello. Do you have a history education and can help improve the article?--Zubryckiy (talk) 18:46, 1 October 2020 (UTC)
 * No. But I can understand English and your edits are not English. Indeed your edits are so impossible to understand that I couldn't even convert them to sensible English. We need something simple here. Nigej (talk) 18:48, 1 October 2020 (UTC)
 * What exactly is difficult for you to understand? Article link Michała Jarnecki --Zubryckiy (talk) 19:08, 1 October 2020 (UTC)
 * eg "The term meant national treason and was used to Ruthenians" makes no sense to me. Nigej (talk) 19:11, 1 October 2020 (UTC)
 * The term is still used and means the same as before--Zubryckiy (talk) 19:16, 1 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Imagine that an Englishman in England began to consider himself a German and spoke German to everyone. This is normal ? --Zubryckiy (talk) 19:21, 1 October 2020 (UTC)
 * I suspect it should read "...was directed towards Ruthenians" and many other "to"s in the article should be "towards". It all might make a bit more sense then, but some of those sentences/paragraphs are a mess – perhaps generated by running the sources through a translator, therefore losing meaning and context? wjematherplease leave a message... 19:26, 1 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Yes maybe it's "towards" or perhaps "by". Also "The term meant national treason" is unclear. meant by who? Who are we referring to? The magyarons themselves, probably not. But it's completely unclear. Nigej (talk) 19:31, 1 October 2020 (UTC)
 * It's a bit clearer running the the Ukranian version of the article through google translate. wjematherplease leave a message... 19:51, 1 October 2020 (UTC)
 * I also notice that "sheeple" is apparently an English word: "people compared to sheep in being docile, foolish, or easily led." Anyway the point really is that this article is just not understandable by the average reader. Nigej (talk) 20:08, 1 October 2020 (UTC)
 * I've had a go at rewriting it – think it makes more sense now? wjematherplease leave a message... 20:43, 1 October 2020 (UTC)

You just carry on and mind your own business
You have no right telling people what to do just because it is not the way you like it. In your ignorance you did not even know Allen had qualified for the CofC. You get a grip yourself 92.251.205.176 (talk) 20:33, 14 October 2020 (UTC)
 * I knew that changing the English Open and the Championship League (2) was complete and utter nonsense. Seems you didn't. Nigej (talk) 20:36, 14 October 2020 (UTC)

Who you calling an idiot ?. you are a big brave man hiding behind a screen keyboard warrior 92.251.205.176 (talk) 21:53, 14 October 2020 (UTC)

The Masters
I went to the Snooker talkpage with two references to point out the name of the event is called "The Masters" by the World Snooker Tour who runs and administrates the professional snooker circuit. So what gives or who gives you the rights or Lee to undone the edits ?. 92.251.160.137 (talk) 20:37, 19 October 2020 (UTC)
 * See my reply. You need to establish consensus first, not just post a comment. You need to wait for replies. Nigej (talk) 20:42, 19 October 2020 (UTC)

Wait for a reply for what ?. The official governing body has clearly called it "The Masters". That is the official name with two references. You don't need opinions to tell you what you already know to be true and with official clarification. 92.251.160.137 (talk) 20:46, 19 October 2020 (UTC)
 * See WP:THE and anyway it was IP user 178.167.236.248 who made the comment, not you 92.251.160.137, so it's none of your business anyway. Nigej (talk) 20:48, 19 October 2020 (UTC)

Don't speak to me like that. Why are you getting involved then. Why is it any of your business ?. You stay out of it then 92.251.160.137 (talk) 20:51, 19 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Nigej, they are clearly IP hopping. I'm against putting page protection on these pages, but will if I have to. The disruptive editing is getting close to a WP:CIR block regardless. Best Wishes,  Lee Vilenski (talk • contribs) 20:52, 19 October 2020 (UTC)
 * I'm struggling to understand all this IP stuff. Just makes him seem like a troll. It's all clearly User:DooksFoley147 so it's a complete mystery. Nigej (talk) 21:02, 19 October 2020 (UTC)

The question was asked if the official name is clearly stated in a reference or in this case references from the governing body which is official what do you need peoples opinions to agree on that for as it is a case of fact ? 92.251.160.137 (talk) 20:57, 19 October 2020 (UTC)
 * See WP:THE. Nigej (talk) 21:04, 19 October 2020 (UTC)
 * IP user, could I get you to confirm that you are not DooksFoley? It seems incredibly likely you are. Foley has been warned plenty of times for logging out to make disruptive edits, so can you clarify this? Your inability to understand WP:CONSENSUS is baffling. Best Wishes,  Lee Vilenski (talk • contribs) 21:14, 19 October 2020 (UTC)

Thanks for your adit on List of golf clubs granted Royal status
Hi Nigej, Thanks for your edit. This has really helped me because I have now been able to find 8 more Royal GCs. I'll do the new edit within the next 24 hours. Seth Whales  talk  15:55, 26 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Cheers. I was aware that the Royal Cornwall and the Royal Isle of Wight were the only two English Royal clubs to disappear. No idea about the rest of the world. Nigej (talk) 15:58, 26 October 2020 (UTC)

continued trouble with citations...
Hi Nigej,

Thank you for your advice earlier with Google News Archives links. However it is not working for me. To refresh your memory here is what you wrote:

"Yes. Clicking on the article header (goes blue - generally) is not sufficient. You need to click on "link to article" (rhs) first, then click on the article header. You can then ctrl-C to copy it and ctrl-V to paste it into your article. Of course, sometimes the header doesn't go blue and you have to wander round finding something that does go blue. Nigej (talk) 06:16, 16 October 2020 (UTC)"

Where do I find the "Link to article" button? And what does "rhs" mean?

My apologies for this continued trouble. Any help would be great.

Oogglywoogly (talk) 23:28, 27 October 2020 (UTC)Oogglywoogly
 * rhs = right hand side. See eg https://news.google.com/newspapers?nid=GGgVawPscysC&dat=19260607&printsec=frontpage&hl=en On the very right hand edge above "The Herald" logo is "Link to article" (at least it is on my screen). Nigej (talk) 06:25, 28 October 2020 (UTC)


 * It works! Thanks for your help!


 * Oogglywoogly (talk) 01:37, 5 November 2020 (UTC)Oogglywoogly

The R&A
Hi Nigej, I have now competed the split from The Royal and Ancient Golf Club of St Andrews into The R&A from the recommendations. I would appreciate and contributions (edits) to improve both articles. Many thanks. Seth Whales  talk  11:49, 1 November 2020 (UTC)
 * I suspect there is likely to be a lot of cleanup work directing incoming wikilinks to the appropriate article (and adding additional ones for both articles where appropriate). wjematherplease leave a message... 13:07, 1 November 2020 (UTC)
 * I've started to have a go, but the more hands the better....thanks. Seth Whales   talk  13:09, 1 November 2020 (UTC)

Tom Morris Golf Shop
Hi Nigej,

Maybe you would like to reconsider the article Tom Morris Golf Shop as being "pure advertising" a. The shop does not exist, so there is nothing to advertise. b. The whole article is encyclopedic. In no way has it been written like an advertisement. Seth Whales  talk  16:26, 20 November 2020 (UTC)
 * Sorry for not reading the article properly. However, I'm still of the view it shouldn't be in. The golf template is growing too large and needs trimming. Can't really believe this is in the 100 (or whatever) most interesting golf articles. Nigej (talk) 17:43, 20 November 2020 (UTC)

1966 Endagine Open
To report the success of Martin Roesink at the 1966 Engadine Open I used a citation from the event's wiki page. The Glasgow Herald article is a bit blurry though. (Here is the link.) Is there another article with clearer type?

Oogglywoogly (talk) 02:42, 28 November 2020 (UTC)Ooggylwoogly
 * I've had a look but can't find anything better, I'm afraid. Nigej (talk) 07:48, 28 November 2020 (UTC)


 * Ok, well thank you for your help. I've left the Glasgow Herald citation on his page.


 * Oogglywoogly (talk) 19:28, 30 November 2020 (UTC)Oogglywoogly

Kenji Hosoishi
Hi Nigej,

I just created a page for Japanese golfer Kenji Hosoishi. I was able to find a lot of stuff for his play on the Asian circuit but nothing for Japan. I was wondering if you had anything.

Thanks, Oogglywoogly (talk) 23:21, 3 December 2020 (UTC)Oogglywoogly
 * Found very little. Note that he was sometimes called Hosoichi in the press. See https://news.google.com/newspapers?id=wG0xAAAAIBAJ&sjid=G2wDAAAAIBAJ&pg=2263%2C2322980 and https://www.newspapers.com/clip/64576813/honolulu-star-bulletin/ for a little about his Japan Open win. https://hicbc.com/special/crowns/new/history/timeline/1960-1969/cup04/ has plenty of detail about his 1963 crown win, but it's in Japanese. My automatic translation comes up with "Sazareishi" sometimes instead of "Hosoishi" sometimes. Seems it was played on April 25 and 26 but that hasn't helped me find anything else.


 * Well what you found was very helpful. Not easy to find English-language reports of Japanese golf events. Thank you very much.


 * Oogglywoogly (talk) 00:59, 15 December 2020 (UTC)Oogglywoogly

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6 reds Snooker events are not a non ranking event. Very simple
I am getting very tired of you changing 6 reds events to the colour coding of a non ranking event. 6 reds are not included in non rankings finals so stop changing their colour code 178.167.205.73 (talk) 00:35, 17 December 2020 (UTC).

Will you add the exhibition win to McIlroy's page
Hi can you change McIlroy's page to add that exhibition win please ?. Regards 92.251.188.41 (talk) 18:10, 18 December 2020 (UTC)
 * Not sure why you can't do it yourself? Nigej (talk) 18:29, 18 December 2020 (UTC)

Why are you adding that flagathlete to snooker pages
it looks horrendous this was never used in any other season in history so why is it used now ?. Why did you not revert Dustin Johnson's exhibition match win in the TaylorMade Driving Relief after it was reverted but you would revert this ?. Just curious 89.204.235.36 (talk) 18:17, 20 December 2020 (UTC)
 * The other seasons need changing too. I have no strong views on TaylorMade Driving Relief, but the discussion needs to be completed first. Nigej (talk) 18:19, 20 December 2020 (UTC)

TaylorMade Driving was a Mickey Mouse exhibition. Darts, Tennis, and Golf does not use flagathlete so why do you want to introduce it in Snooker?. It looks horrendous what is the benefit of this where and when was it decided ?. Do you honestly think that it looks good ?. 89.204.235.36 (talk) 18:24, 20 December 2020 (UTC)
 * It's no more a Mickey Mouse event than the snooker seniors events. You're right that the golf articles ought to be doing something similar. You seem obsessed with how pages look (I assume that's why so many of your edits are nowraps), it's not important as long as the content is clear. I'd concentrate on adding useful encyclopedic content, not cosmetic stuff. Nigej (talk) 18:28, 20 December 2020 (UTC)

OWGR nationality breakdown
I would be inclined to remove this section as it doesn't seem to have any real relevance. The Olympics is pretty much the only tournament that uses such a concept. What are your thoughts? wjematherplease leave a message... 12:29, 21 December 2020 (UTC)
 * I quite like it in some ways, although I can see that it's not really encyclopedic. Someone added the Ryder Cup etc stuff a while back which really ought to go, per the similar World Number 1 section you removed a month or two back. Nigej (talk) 13:24, 21 December 2020 (UTC)
 * Ok, I have removed it now. wjematherplease leave a message... 13:48, 21 December 2020 (UTC)

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Australasian Tour playoffs
Hey, there are a couple of incomplete Australasian Tour playoff details I have been unable to find. They are the 2002 NSW Masters where Steve Collins beat Leigh McKechnie. The other is the 2002 Western Australia PGA Championship where Kim Felton beat Euan Walters. I was wondering if you would be able to find anything. Many thanks. Jimmymci234 (talk) 17:09, 3 January 2021 (UTC)
 * No, nothing extra. https://www.nzherald.co.nz/sport/golf/D7WWV4FI4ZHJ3RSZTAFST7DXDM/ repeats your info. In the Guardian too. https://www.gettyimages.com/detail/news-photo/steve-collins-in-action-during-the-nsw-masters-held-at-long-news-photo/1575504 says nothing more. https://www.nzherald.co.nz/sport/golf/23Y2KXE2PGQVG6SQXJ7KIQGR5E/ has nothing extra. Nigej (talk) 18:10, 3 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Ok thanks anyway. Strange that there is nothing but oh well. Jimmymci234 (talk) 18:32, 3 January 2021 (UTC)

Seniors Masters Qualifying
Why did you remove the event without not just changing the title if you were not happy with it ?. World Seniors hold qualifying events like the old Masters Qualifying Event for all their event. So why didn't you just change the title ?. The winner of this qualifying event was Darren Morgan and as you can see it had a final, this was the way the qualifying was staged this year due to covid. 92.251.209.218 (talk) 20:55, 10 January 2021 (UTC)
 * 1) I thought you were the one who was so keen on having the official name - see "The Masters" discussion, etc. 2) There are 4 events going on, what's the point in adding just one 3) Basically they're very unimportant. We can do without them in this list. Nigej (talk) 20:59, 10 January 2021 (UTC)

It is important to have them as they are qualifying events like the Masters Qualifying Event. They reason the others were not added is because there was more than one qualifier the Seniors UK had 4 and the World Seniors Championship had 2 places available so no finals took place. This event was played to a finish that is why it is included here. As regarding The Masters we all know that is the official title but if I have to wait 1 year, 2 years or 5 years I will see the proper title added in the end. 92.251.209.218 (talk) 21:09, 10 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Why can't we have the 2 or 4 qualifiers listed then. Your argument makes no sense. As to your Masters comment - the same point applies to your obession with everything having to look pretty. Really there's no point because in 5 years time it'll all be different anyway. Wikipedia is a work in progress. Also see WP:REDDEAL as to why many red links should be left in. Nigej (talk) 21:28, 10 January 2021 (UTC)

Please don't revert my edits unless 100% necessary.
My comment under my edit reverting your edit in List of United States federal executive orders did make sense. You removed the total number of Executive Orders from the Joe Biden section, which you shouldn't have done. I merely reverted your edit, re-instating the table. In the future, please don't revert mine or others' edits, and re-do the changes that don't remove the number of Executive Orders from any section. Thank you. - Kamran Mackey (talk to me · my contributions) 16:26, 28 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Please don't revert my edits unless 100% necessary. You reverted good faith edits of mine for no good reason. Change them but do not revert unless absolutely necessary. Thank you. See WP:POTKETTLEBLACK. Nigej (talk) 16:29, 28 January 2021 (UTC)
 * I had a good reason. You removed the total E.O. count for Joe Biden, and somehow claimed that the count shouldn't be updated for him until the end of 2021. The entire point of that article is to be an up-to-date representation of the total amount of Executive Orders that have been issued by U.S. presidents, including presidents that are currently in office. Removing the total number of E.O.'s, even if the current sitting president hasn't been in office for long, is counterproductive to the goal of that article. I'm sorry for reverting the edits of yours that removed unnecessary reference tags & the "grand total as of" section under the Obama section; at the time I forgot to check all four edits. For that I'm sorry. I should've checked the edits and only reverted the one that modified the table for Biden's E.O. count. But you could've removed the reference tags via a new edit as well instead of reverting all my edits and having to re-do the table again. That more than likely wasted a bit of your time. And I don't intend this to come off as rude at all, if it somehow does I apologize. - Kamran Mackey (talk to me · my contributions) 16:49, 28 January 2021 (UTC)

Ray Hore
Hi there,

I just created a page for this man. He won the 1974 South Australian Open and I found a good amount for that. However, there is nothing for the next three years... it's as if he disappeared. I found some stuff from the late 1970s and early 1980s but not a lot. Not sure if you could help out.

Thanks, Oogglywoogly (talk) 06:43, 30 January 2021 (UTC)Oogglywoogly
 * Can't find anything before his South Australian Open win and not much for the next few years. Finished second in the 1979 and 1980 Royal Fremantle Opens https://news.google.com/newspapers?id=tYtWAAAAIBAJ&pg=4443%2C9622817 https://news.google.com/newspapers?id=tYtWAAAAIBAJ&pg=2823%2C9630336 https://news.google.com/newspapers?id=EdRQAAAAIBAJ&pg=2776%2C8747035 https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/110585115 Disappears from the records after 1981 so probably gave up touring at that time. Surprisingly little about him. Nigej (talk) 07:41, 30 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Seems his sister Rina was a cricketer: https://escapesouthernhighlands.com.au/ask-a-local/ask-a-local-rina-hore/ Nigej (talk) 09:31, 30 January 2021 (UTC)


 * Nonetheless, the sites you provided were very helpful. Thank you very much. I used them all. Feel free to edit his page as I think I am done with his.


 * Oogglywoogly (talk) 03:36, 2 February 2021 (UTC)Oogglywoogly

1982 Timex Open
According to the page of Lennie Clements he won the 1982 Timex Open (France). There is a citation from the 1991 PGA Tour media guide.

However, on the event's page (Timex Open) it says Gery Watine won the event. Could Clements have won another Timex Open?

Oogglywoogly (talk) 03:33, 2 February 2021 (UTC)Oogglywoogly
 * Tough one. Very little coverage in the English language newspapers. There is this: https://www.golfcourse-review.com/architect/619/gery-watine which does say that Watine won it. However, it seems certain that it was actually Clements. see: https://www.facebook.com/138565016156967/posts/memory-lane-from-the-french-pga-tour-kim-swan-places-9th-in-1982-timex-open-in-f/2904216339591807/ which clearly says it was Clements with Barry Jaeckel second. Seems to imply it was played the same week as the Bob Hope British Classic, end of September. I've clipped this https://www.newspapers.com/clip/69159267/times-advocate/ from December 1982 which confirms the story. Nigej (talk) 07:01, 2 February 2021 (UTC)
 * Looking at https://www.golfcourse-review.com/architect/619/gery-watine I'm also wondering if, for 1981, the Timex Open and Biarritz Open are not the same event. The same applies to the Cannes Open and U-Bix Open which are perhaps also the same event. Seems a particularly unreliable source. Nigej (talk) 07:25, 2 February 2021 (UTC)
 * I've changed the Timex Open article and linked from the Clements page. Nigej (talk) 07:39, 2 February 2021 (UTC)
 * Agree. Incidentally, the golfcourse-review page looks like a translation of Géry Watine, so yeah, not a reliable source. wjematherplease leave a message... 11:21, 2 February 2021 (UTC)


 * Thank you for clarifying things. Yes, it looks for sure that Clements won the event.


 * With these French events in general, I am a bit confused. Are you saying that the Timex Open and the AGF Open (i.e the Biarritz Open) are the same event?


 * Oogglywoogly (talk) 00:13, 3 February 2021 (UTC)Oogglywoogly
 * U-Bix and Cannes in all likelihood refer to the same event; likewise Timex/Biarritz in the early 1980s. Seems fairly clear from what I found doing the ET schedules that the Timex Open ended (replaced by the GSI L'Equipe Open on the ET schedule) with the AGF Open founded later. wjematherplease leave a message... 01:32, 3 February 2021 (UTC)

February
Thank you for help with the opera templates! Bach music pictured ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:45, 9 February 2021 (UTC)

Nate Lashley's peak OWGR
On his Wikipedia infobox it says he peaked at #82 on September 22, 2019. However, according to his OWGR page he peaked at #70 on February 2, 2020. Something is wrong here.

Oogglywoogly (talk) 21:48, 14 February 2021 (UTC)Oogglywoogly
 * Yes. A mistake there. Thanks for the info. I'll correct it. Nigej (talk) 21:53, 14 February 2021 (UTC)


 * Thank you for the correction.
 * Oogglywoogly (talk) 02:34, 15 February 2021 (UTC)Oogglywoogly

David Ishii's peak OWGR
It should be in his infobox. He did turn pro before 1986 but his peak is definitely during the OWGR era. His career year was in 1987 (6 wins in Japan). Looks like his peak was this week in 1988.

Oogglywoogly (talk) 02:47, 15 February 2021 (UTC)Oogglywoogy
 * Ishii was one of the commented-out entries in Infobox golfer/highest ranking. Not quite sure why I commented it out. Probably not 100% certain it was correct, but we seem to agree on the peak, so I've uncommented it. Nigej (talk) 07:06, 15 February 2021 (UTC)
 * 50 others commented out from the early days of the OWGR. Can be 1) Peak OWGR is not a good reflection of their peak ranking (eg Jack Nicklaus), 2) Peak OWGR is uncertain because the data for 1986 is incomplete, 3) I was uncertain what the peak OWGR was. Nigej (talk) 07:36, 15 February 2021 (UTC)


 * Thank you for the change. Yes, obviously there are quite a few of these "straddlers" whose real peak would've been before 1986.


 * In fact, I actually have more reservations about the peak rankings you included rather than excluded. Like for guys like Fuzzy Zoeller and Bruce Lietzke - I am very confident that their peak rankings would have been much earlier in their career. I just don't think their peak ranking should be there. There are a few other guys I think that are like this.


 * Oogglywoogly (talk) 07:52, 18 February 2021 (UTC)Oogglywoogly
 * Yes, certainly Bruce Lietzke was higher in the old McCormack rankings. I've commented him out. Strangely Zoeller didn't seem to get in the old top-10, mind you that only once a year. Nigej (talk) 13:14, 18 February 2021 (UTC)


 * I think you are being way too presumptuous by including Zoeller's ranking. I strongly suspect that he would have been ranked #11 or higher before 1986. No, he never made McCormack's top ten but, as you stated, McCormack only ranked golfers once a year. Overall, Zoeller had a stellar career before 1986; he won 7 PGA Tour events including two majors. He even could have reached #11 or higher during the 1986 season. He only peaked at #15 but keep in mind they only published the rankings a handful of times that year.


 * So again, I just think you're being a bit presumptuous with this. I mean do you really think he reached his peak in 1995?


 * In addition, there are a few other golfers like this (e.g. Christy O'Connor Jnr). I will bring them up in a more formal, systemic list sometime soon.


 * Oogglywoogly (talk) 06:53, 20 February 2021 (UTC)Oogglywoogly
 * I've commented out Zoeller too :) Nigej (talk) 07:58, 20 February 2021 (UTC)


 * Thanks!

Precious
You are recipient no. 2535 of Precious, a prize of QAI. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:56, 15 February 2021 (UTC)

Sandy Galbraith's amateur status
It says on this link that Sandy Galbraith won $5,000 in a 1973 event. However, according to the information I have he should have still been an amateur (see his page). I suspect that he won the event but, as an amateur, did not actually collect the $5,000. What do you think?

Oogglywoogly (talk) 06:32, 20 February 2021 (UTC)Oogglywoogly
 * Seems certain he turned professional in August/September 1972. He played in the Pacific Coast Amateur in that August. Mark Pfeil won. This https://www.newspapers.com/clip/71550074/the-press-tribune/ from September refers to him as one of "a number of new pros" playing in the Northern California Open. He finished on 212 and won $287. Nigej (talk) 07:38, 20 February 2021 (UTC)
 * Also it's clear that he wasn't an amateur at the 1974 Open. https://news.google.com/newspapers?id=eOc9AAAAIBAJ&pg=2594%2C2385982 (no *), https://web.archive.org/web/20120418224641/http://www.theopen.com/~/media/The%20Open/Information/Media_Guide.ashx https://books.google.co.uk/books?id=JAtHsOzOCoUC&printsec=frontcover#v=onepage&q=galbraith&f=false etc etc Nigej (talk) 08:54, 20 February 2021 (UTC)
 * The 1977 date for restored amateur status must be wrong. Still playing as a pro in 1981. Disappears from the records after that, reappearing as an amateur in 1986. Nigej (talk) 09:39, 20 February 2021 (UTC)


 * Thank you! I have one last question. Do you have any information on his performance at the 1992 British Amateur? I have information from a site called randa.org but when I open the site all I get is some "file" not a website. Then when I try to cite it I get a scientific article even though it's all golf information on the page. All very odd. Not sure if you could help.


 * Oogglywoogly (talk) 21:35, 22 February 2021 (UTC)Ooggylwoogly
 * Try https://www.randa.org/~/media/files/championships/archive/the-amateur/1992-stroke-play-results.ashx https://www.randa.org/~/media/files/championships/archive/the-amateur/1992-match-play-results.ashx (seem to be pdf files) Looks like he came third in the qualifying but lost at the last-32 stage. Nigej (talk) 22:06, 22 February 2021 (UTC)


 * Yes those were the sites I used. Still not really working. Could you try it adding it?


 * Thanks,
 * Oogglywoogly (talk) 04:33, 23 February 2021 (UTC)Oogglywoogly
 * I've added the refs. They are .ashx files. When I click on the link, a box appears at the bottom of my screen. I then click on that and a .pdf is downloaded and then opens. Nigej (talk) 06:25, 23 February 2021 (UTC)


 * Thanks!


 * Last question about this guy... do you know the precise year he won the Northern California Amateur? In the link I have it is only mentioned incidentally with no date.


 * Thanks,
 * Oogglywoogly (talk) 05:53, 27 February 2021 (UTC)Oogglywoogly
 * Seems clear from https://ncga.org/wp-content/uploads/2021/02/tournament-history.pdf that he never won it. Losing finalist in 1970. Fourball champion in 1972. Perhaps confusion with the Northern California Open. Nigej (talk) 06:08, 27 February 2021 (UTC)


 * Thanks!

question about 1973 q-school
I have a small question about 1973 PGA Tour Qualifying School graduates. The source I used did not have the first names of graduates "B. Thompson" and "W. Chancellor." I suspect the first guy is Barney Thompson but have no way no knowing for sure. With the second guy I have no clue. Do you have any idea?

Oogglywoogly (talk) 19:24, 24 February 2021 (UTC)Oogglywoogly
 * Yes Barney is correct. Warren is the other https://www.pgatour.com/players/player.01187.warren-chancellor.html Nigej (talk) 19:42, 24 February 2021 (UTC)


 * Thanks! Just added the first names.
 * Oogglywoogly (talk) 07:53, 25 February 2021 (UTC)Oogglywoogly

Flagstick map icons
Hi Nige, thanks for the changes with flag icons in maps in individual tournaments. Would it be possible to have this changed in tournament and course articles as well? Thanks Jimmymci234 (talk) 18:01, 1 March 2021 (UTC)
 * Indeed it would. I'll do it now. Nigej (talk) 18:02, 1 March 2021 (UTC)

peak OWGR issues...
I brought this up recently... here are two new golfers who probably didn't reach their peak post-1986.


 * Christy O'Connor Jnr: In 1975 he won two events and finished a career best 7th on the European Tour Order of Merit. He did have a late career resurgence but I think it's at least doubtful that he reached his peak in 1990.


 * Mike Clayton (golfer): Looks like he had his career year in 1984. He won his only ET event that year and also won the Tasmanian Open and his only AGC event in 1984. He also recorded a second place finish on the European Tour that year, one of only two he ever recorded on tour. Finished #18 on ET's Order of Merit, only time in top 30. In my opinion, no way should his 1995 peak be up there.

Once again, thank you for your hard work creating a peak OWGR category but there are few other anomalous figures like this. Sometime later in the year I will go over them systemically and show them to you. These are ones I just happened to come across recently...

Oogglywoogly (talk) 02:51, 4 March 2021 (UTC)Oogglywoogly
 * I've commented those two out. The downside is that it now looks like they never made the top 100. Nigej (talk) 09:04, 8 March 2021 (UTC)


 * True but nonetheless this is an encyclopedia - we need to know, not speculate. Basically, with this issue, there must be an "arbitrary" demarcation line at some point. If we used the McCormack rankings, which start at 1968, then perhaps we would be able to give peak rankings to all these 1970s pros but then the 1950s pros would be excluded. It is a fundamentally imperfect scenario. The year 1986 happens to be our "arbitrary" cut-off point; there isn't much we can do about it.


 * I just noticed another guy: Hugh Baiocchi. Baiocchi won the Sunshine Tour's Order of Merit in 1974 and 1979 and finished second on ET's OoM in 1977. Meanwhile, all six of his ET wins were before 1986. Ten of his twelve Sunshine Tour wins before 1986. Basically, his peak would have been way before 1986 and probably much higher than we have listed (#54).


 * Overall, it is not necessarily a big deal for me that a certain's golfer peak would have been before 1986 and is stated as post-1986 (as long as these peaks are relatively close). For example, Mark Wiebe or Donnie Hammond may have peaked before or during 1986 but we don't really know. Still, their official peak is only a few years later. Rather, the big deal for me is the wide gap between their likely peak, before 1986, and their "official" post-1986 peak. With Zoeller and O'Connor, in particular, the difference between their actual peak and their "official" peak is probably a full 15 years. This strikes me as very misleading. Likewise, with Baiocchi it is about a ten years difference.


 * Oogglywoogly (talk) 02:42, 10 March 2021 (UTC)Oogglywoogly

1960 Western Australian events
As you noticed, I recently created a page for Bob Tuohy. I found a ton of stuff on him through Trove and Singapore SG. Somewhat shockingly, however, I found nothing on his victories at the 1960 Western Australian Open and Western Australian PGA Championship which might be his two biggest wins. Not sure if you could find anything?

Oogglywoogly (talk) 20:29, 5 March 2021 (UTC)Oogglywoogly
 * Cant find anything at all in the contemporary newspapers. Nigej (talk) 06:59, 6 March 2021 (UTC)


 * Ok, thank you for the response. I'm not sure if you looked in the Google News Archives, but if not, do you think it is worth it for me to scour for sources in there? These events were in April, right?


 * Oogglywoogly (talk) 06:09, 7 March 2021 (UTC)Oogglywoogly
 * Don't know the date. The Australian Open (golf) was in WA that year which he played in https://news.google.com/newspapers?id=_nxWAAAAIBAJ&pg=2766%2C3279302 He was high enough to qualify for the Australian PGA Championship the following week https://news.google.com/newspapers?id=CK8UAAAAIBAJ&pg=4206%2C3942115 https://news.google.com/newspapers?id=Ca8UAAAAIBAJ&pg=5980%2C4080064 losing in the quarter-finals. As you note he won the foursomes played the week before, only an 18 hole event though. https://news.google.com/newspapers?id=Aa8UAAAAIBAJ&pg=5791%2C2530025 Could be that the WA Open and WA PGA were fitted in around this time, since there were pros in the area but no idea. Nigej (talk) 07:28, 7 March 2021 (UTC)


 * Ok, thank you for the information. I actually used some of it for his page.


 * I browsed through all of The Age's editions available on Google News Archive for August 1960. I couldn't find anything for the WA Open or PGA. I may check the Sydney Morning Herald tomorrow but I believe this is a lost cause...


 * Oogglywoogly (talk) 07:16, 10 March 2021 (UTC)Oogglywoogly
 * Don't think it's worth the bother, seem to have had zero coverage in other states. Hopefully a WA newspaper will appear in the future on Newspapers.com or elsewhere. Nigej (talk) 07:35, 10 March 2021 (UTC)

Denis Hutchinson
Last night I added a significant amount to his page. I added everything I could find from Trove and Singapore SG that I thought was relevant. In addition I added some stuff from the Glasgow Herald that I found floating about on WikiProject Golf. However, I found next to nothing on his South African triumphs (which make up most of his wins). Not sure if you could find anything on newspapers.com or somewhere else...

Thanks, Oogglywoogly (talk) 21:34, 5 March 2021 (UTC)Oogglywoogly
 * I've added a few refs. Will look again later. Nigej (talk) 06:59, 6 March 2021 (UTC)
 * Runner-up mention: https://news.google.com/newspapers?id=qp5VAAAAIBAJ&pg=2388%2C3831085 Nigej (talk) 07:38, 6 March 2021 (UTC)


 * Thank you for all the references. I used them all.


 * Oogglywoogly (talk) 06:05, 7 March 2021 (UTC)Oogglywoogly

Tuohy's relationship with Derrick Pillage
Not sure what you make of this...

In the first paragraph it says that Bob Tuohy is joining a group of golfers under the auspices of Derrick Pillage. Then in the last paragraph it says he is making arrangements for number of British golfers to play in South African that are under the auspecies of Pillage.

Basically, in the title of the article and first paragraph it seems to imply that Tuohy is working with Pillage as a client (as are Barnes, Gallagher, and Job). But then later it seems to say that he is an employee for Pillage as sort of a middle man between Pillage and the British golfers. I just wasn't sure how to characterize this and was somewhat vague about it on his page.

Oogglywoogly (talk) 21:44, 5 March 2021 (UTC)Oogglywoogly
 * There were a number of society like tours of pro golfers around this time, e.g. this (also organised by Pillage). wjematherplease leave a message... 21:58, 5 March 2021 (UTC)


 * First off sorry for the late response.


 * Anyway, thanks for this information wjemather . It helped contextualize it a bit. I changed the wording a little on the page. Not sure if it's much better though; please improve the wording if you see fit.


 * Oogglywoogly (talk) 19:04, 2 April 2021 (UTC)Oogglywoogly

Match Play
Hello, I already ran it by one of the other editors, about the way these things are prepared for later, to avoid some confusion. So, it's okay. It's been done in the years past without any problems. Johnsmith2116 (talk) 22:04, 26 March 2021 (UTC)

Knockout stage
Good afternoon, I had looked at the 2019 match play knockout stage, and I noticed it has the note about the numbers of players that advanced from each group (it's still there). So, I simply applied it to the 2021 page.Johnsmith2116 (talk) 16:27, 27 March 2021 (UTC)
 * It's not appropriate where you put it. It relates to the qualifying stage. 2019 and earlier editions need changing too. Nigej (talk) 16:34, 27 March 2021 (UTC)
 * No problem. I only put the new one where I did because someone else did the previous ones like that. Johnsmith2116 (talk) 16:36, 27 March 2021 (UTC)
 * Earlier ones removed now; per my edit summaries there, such things should be in prose where they are in context (and preferably supported by a reliable source). wjematherplease leave a message... 16:42, 27 March 2021 (UTC)

Mike Ferguson question
I know it sounds trivia-ish but I have had this nagging question about Mike Ferguson (golfer). It's been on my mind for months. When I created his page I found a detail that says Stewart Ginn is his brother-in-law. It is this article about the 1982 Gold Coast Classic. It is in the second-to-last paragraph.

I believe the author may be confusing Ginn with the similarly named Payne Stewart who married Tracey Ferguson, Ferguson's sister. (Incidentally, Payne Stewart wins this event.)

Not sure if you have any info... it has just been nagging on my mind for a long time.

Oogglywoogly (talk) 22:44, 1 April 2021 (UTC)Oogglywoogly
 * I think you must be right. See eg https://news.google.com/newspapers?id=RiRVAAAAIBAJ&pg=2158%2C656091 (3 days after your ref) which talks about his brother-in-law Payne Stewart. I suppose another of Ferguson's sisters could have married Stewart Ginn but it all seems incredibly unlikely. Nigej (talk) 06:18, 2 April 2021 (UTC)


 * Yes, I thought it was a bit far-fetched that two of his sisters married professional golfers with similar names. Also, In my hours of research on Ferguson this is the only reference of him being brother-in-laws with Ginn. They are almost certainly confusing the two Stewarts - these papers make little mistakes like this all the time.


 * Anyway thank you for your response. I just deleted the information from Mike Ferguson's page.


 * Oogglywoogly (talk) 18:44, 2 April 2021 (UTC)Oogglywoogly

Stuart Reese: incomplete information
I finally completed the page of New Zealand golfer Stuart Reese. I found a lot but I am missing some things:


 * 1975 Fiji Open: Reese was one back of the lead entering the final round. Couldn't find final round info.


 * 1986 Dunhill Cup: It looks like he successfully qualified for the event but didn't play in it. Do you know why?


 * 1987 Malaysian PGA Championship: He was near the lead at the 1987 Malaysian PGA Championship but I couldn't get final round info.

If you can find anything that would be great.

Oogglywoogly (talk) 20:10, 2 April 2021 (UTC)Oogglywoogly
 * 1975 Fiji Open: https://news.google.com/newspapers?id=1-ZaAAAAIBAJ&pg=3243%2C1005734 talks about the Phillips win and https://news.google.com/newspapers?id=__ljAAAAIBAJ&pg=2283%2C8014524 has some scores but no mention of Reese. In the 1986 Dunhill Cup it does look like he was replaced by Bob Charles for the final team, but no idea why. 1987 Malaysian PGA Championship - can't find anything. Nigej (talk) 06:41, 3 April 2021 (UTC)


 * Well thank you for what you found. I added the Fiji Open stuff to the wiki page and Reese's page.


 * Oogglywoogly (talk) 18:29, 5 April 2021 (UTC)Oogglywoogly

newspapers.com
I recently subscribed to this website for the first time. I was wondering what exactly the rules were for citing stuff from it. For example, under the page of Stuart Reese I "clipped" the small articles and included the actual headline in the citation title but for the longer ones I just copied and pasted. Basically, is "clipping" the proper etiquette here or can we just copy and paste?

Thanks, Oogglywoogly (talk) 20:53, 2 April 2021 (UTC)Oogglywoogly
 * I tend to clip the article - this is then available to all readers. If you copy the url then only subscribers can read it (I think) - still a valid reference but not ideal. In the reference "title=" should be the title of the article eg "Ferguson stars in Canada's win", "newspaper=" should have the newspaper name eg "Times Colonist", "date=" for date, "page=" for page number. Also should be "via=Newspapers.com" not "website=". Nigej (talk) 06:22, 3 April 2021 (UTC)


 * Ok, thank you. Yes I think I will clip the articles from now on.


 * Also, I noticed that some articles are "locked" while others are not and I don't know why. There is an interesting example on the Fiji Open page that nicely exemplifies this. Look at the 1987 event: it is the same source from The Sydney Morning Herald, both taken from newspapers.com, but one is locked and the other is not. (Full disclosure: I added the non-locked citation so the reader could actually see the original source.) Do you know why?


 * Lastly, are there copyright issues we should be worried with? Like, should the article be locked to protect the copyright of the original source or newspapers.com?


 * Thanks
 * Oogglywoogly (talk) 18:56, 5 April 2021 (UTC)Oogglywoogly
 * The padlock just denotes that a subscription is required to access the link (url-access=subscription in the citation template). wjematherplease leave a message... 19:03, 5 April 2021 (UTC)


 * Ok, but in the Fiji Open example I can access the unlocked one without signing into newspapers.com but with the locked one I have to sign in. Basically I assume the typical reader (who isn't a member of newspapers.com) can access the unlocked version but not the locked version. It's the exact same article - why is one inaccessible and the other not (for a nonmember)?


 * Oogglywoogly (talk) 20:07, 5 April 2021 (UTC)Oogglywoogly
 * Just the way they've coded it. Clipped articles like https://www.newspapers.com/clip/74963522/politics-the-bogey-irwin/ are accessible but nonclipped ones like https://www.newspapers.com/newspage/120495081/ aren't. Just a commercial decision they've made. I don't think there are an copyright issues for us. Quoting from sources is allowed and newspapers.com make their own decisions as to whether the images are available to non-subscribers. Nigej (talk) 20:25, 5 April 2021 (UTC)
 * I rarely take the time to clip articles and will just link to the page. wjematherplease leave a message... 20:56, 5 April 2021 (UTC)


 * Ok, thank you for the clarification. It makes sense now. In addition, I think this is another good reason to "clip."


 * Oogglywoogly (talk) 21:05, 5 April 2021 (UTC)Oogglywoogly

Steve Oppermann's amateur career
Hi Nigej,

I was looking to see if you could complete some information pertaining to Steve Oppermann's amateur career. I obviously found a lot but am missing two details. They are:


 * His performance at the qualifying stage of the 1960 U.S. Open (golf). I have evidence that he played in local qualifying but I don't know how far he advanced.


 * I wasn't able to ascertain information about his play at the 1963 U.S. Amateur. I know he qualified but I am unaware of his performance. I have a link here that goes over the first round results but I could not find his name. A bit mysterious...

Thanks, Oogglywoogly (talk) 16:08, 12 May 2021 (UTC)Oogglywoogly

1) I can't find his scores, although he is not among the 12 qualifiers. Seems this was local qualifying and the 12 moved on to sectional qualifying to try to make the main event. 2) The list must be incomplete. From other newspapers it's clear he lost in the first round to Lawrence (Larry) Bell 6&4. Nigej (talk) 16:30, 12 May 2021 (UTC)


 * 1) How do you know he didn't make to sectionals?


 * 2) Thank you for the information. I finally found his result in a California newspaper. For what's it worth, that information is here.


 * Oogglywoogly (talk) 18:32, 12 May 2021 (UTC)Oogglywoogly
 * See eg https://www.newspapers.com/clip/77574836/oakland-tribune/ Not an alternate either. It's possible he didn't even play. Your ref says 61 entrants but it seems only 53 played. Nigej (talk) 18:39, 12 May 2021 (UTC)


 * Ok, thank you. Yes looks like he didn't qualify - I deleted it from his page.


 * Oogglywoogly (talk) 20:30, 14 May 2021 (UTC)Oogglywoogly

GA nomination
Hi Nigej

I've done a bit of work on 1931 World Snooker Championship. I was thinking of nominating it as a good article, and, as you wrote much of the substance of the article, I wondered if you would be interested in co-nominating it? Is there anything else you think that the article needs to meet GA standards?

Regards, BennyOnTheLoose (talk) 23:16, 28 May 2021 (UTC)
 * I'm happy to leave it with you, since I'm not really active in the snooker project at the moment. Can't really think of anything else that would be useful. Not sure the "Main Draw" section is needed, Interesting section about how Joe engineered close matches but always won. Nigej (talk) 06:35, 29 May 2021 (UTC)


 * OK, thanks. I think you're right about the main draw section. Regards, BennyOnTheLoose (talk) 17:57, 29 May 2021 (UTC)

American playoff boxes
I noticed that you had changed many of the playoff boxes for golfers who played on PGA Tour/PGA Tour Champions/Korn Ferry Tour. Did you manage to get them all done or is there any that you know are still to do? I had planned on getting them all changed at some point, but if you know you have done them all then that saves me a lot of bother. Thanks. Jimmymci234 (talk) 16:24, 8 July 2021 (UTC)
 * I believe I've done all the men. There are 100 women to do. 61 "eliminated with par" 39 "eliminated with birdie" according to the search results. Planning to leave a few days before I do these. The men I did seemed to me mostly Korn Ferry or US Seniors (under various tour names). I didn't do any systematic checking, although I corrected a couple of obvious errors which I happened to notice, Gil Morgan and Naomichi Ozaki. Seem to be a complete lists of playoffs for these two tours here https://www.pgatour.com/korn-ferry-tour/stats/stat.ATR768.html and here https://www.pgatour.com/champions/stats/stat.ATR768.html but they don't give any extra details.Nigej (talk) 16:57, 8 July 2021 (UTC)
 * Again, similarly to the American playoff boxes (PGA Tour/KFT/Champions Tour), losses all have colouring style="background:#F08080;" (dark red), I would rather be using style="background:#F2C1D1;" (lighter red) for consistency amongst other tours. There will be a lot of boxes to change but surely if we get some started there wouldn't be any opposition to it? Thanks. Jimmymci234 (talk) 18:09, 10 July 2021 (UTC)
 * Yes, it would be nice to have a consistent color scheme. It's my fault that we have two systems since I went for the lighter red when I "did" the European Tour playoffs back in early 2017. See: Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Golf/Archive_5. Do we still have of the powder blue/wheat style? Nigej (talk) 18:28, 10 July 2021 (UTC)
 * No, I removed all the blue/wheat ones. I think I'll make a start here updating the American boxes, feel free to help out if you have the chance (two hands are better than one!). Jimmymci234 (talk) 18:33, 10 July 2021 (UTC)

I've updated the colours for anyone who's been in a Champions Tour/Korn Ferry playoff (at least that was my intention). We don't seem to cover playoffs in third-tier tours, so does that mean that the PGA Tour is the only tour outstanding or are there other men's tours using the light coral background? Nigej (talk) 11:02, 11 July 2021 (UTC)

No, just the PGA Tour left to do then. Jimmymci234 (talk) 12:33, 11 July 2021 (UTC)

1965 Canada Cup
I recently created a page for Barry Coxon. He received entry into the 1965 Canada Cup however he did not actually play in the event. I noticed you created a page for the event. I was wondering if you could help clarify an issue.

I have evidence that in June 1965 Coxon received entry into the event. The links are here and here. However, it looks like he was replaced by Frank Buckler. Do you have any more information about this (likely) replacement?

Thanks, Oogglywoogly (talk) 04:38, 11 July 2021 (UTC)Oogglywoogly
 * Interesting but no idea why I'm afraid. Seems Coxon was fit to play since the article has him winning the Rosenthal Riverland golf tournament on 4/5 October. You'd think he'd have been keen to play in the Canada Cup, so maybe it was related to him moving to Australia. All speculation though. Nigej (talk) 05:34, 11 July 2021 (UTC)
 * Seems you are correct . wjematherplease leave a message... 11:33, 11 July 2021 (UTC)
 * Well spotted! Nigej (talk) 12:24, 11 July 2021 (UTC)


 * Thank you wjemather ! This is a big help. And just wondering... but how in the world did you find this very specific form of information?? With tournaments it can be easy because you know the date. But with something like this I had no idea where to look.


 * Thanks,
 * Oogglywoogly (talk) 02:39, 14 July 2021 (UTC)Oogglywoogly

1991/92 Hassan Trophy
Would you be able to take a look to see if you can find any detail about the playoffs in the 1991 + 1992 Hassan II Trophy. I wasn't able to find anything about it, which is surprising as it involved a top ranked American player in both years. Jimmymci234 (talk) 16:25, 12 July 2021 (UTC)
 * Found this for the November 1992 event: https://www.newspapers.com/clip/81300156/the-orlando-sentinel/ birdie at second extra hole. Bit after the event so not ideal. Nigej (talk) 16:40, 12 July 2021 (UTC)
 * Great work, thanks! Obviously nothing on the Singh/Stewart playoff. Jimmymci234 (talk) 16:45, 12 July 2021 (UTC)
 * No. No details for that one. Nigej (talk) 17:33, 12 July 2021 (UTC)

1974 South Coast Open
Did this event take place? I have a link here that seems to suggest that the inaugural event was in 1974. However, on the wiki page for the South Coast Open it says the event began in 1975. In addition, although in the article the course information and date is consistent with the other events, it doesn't explicitly state South Coast Open in the text. Maybe the 1974 event was just a pro-am or something?

I believe you created the South Coast Open page and thought you might be able to clarify things. Any help would be much appreciated.

Oogglywoogly (talk) 04:18, 21 July 2021 (UTC)Oogglywoogly
 * This 1974 event is the 36-hole pro-am mentioned in the second paragraph. I took the view that this was worth mentioning but not important enough to add to the table. Your article says "Plans are in hand to rename the event next year as the South Coast Open Championship" Nigej (talk) 06:44, 21 July 2021 (UTC)


 * Hey just getting back to this. Sorry, should've been more careful - I just skimmed the article and the wiki page. You're right on the money with the pro-am being held that year. Also, added the article to the page.


 * Oogglywoogly (talk) 17:06, 12 August 2021 (UTC)Oogglywoogly

Naming of the New Course
Hi Nigej,

I am beginning to put together a new article for the New Course at St Andrews. However I would like your opinion as to what to name it. "New Course" is already in use. Therefore in my opinion I have two options:


 * 1) New Course at St Andrews, which is consistent with the Old Course at St Andrews, or
 * 2) New Course, St Andrews (as per naming conventions), in which case to be consistent I would then also need consensus to rename the Old Course at St Andrews to Old Course, St Andrews.

I prefer No. 2, New Course, St Andrews, what do you think? Seth Whales  talk  06:41, 30 July 2021 (UTC)
 * Yes, I think I do too. Probably best to start a discussion at WT:GOLF to get wider input. Nigej (talk) 07:05, 30 July 2021 (UTC)
 * I'd never asked for consensus prior to an article being created, so I decided to ask the opinions of 3 "golfing" editors. Okay, I will do as you suggest and ask for opinions from WT:GOLF. Many thanks for your reply. Seth Whales   talk  07:34, 30 July 2021 (UTC)

qualifying criteria
Hey,

On the media guides they have the Eligibility Requirements for the Players Championship and the World Series of Golf. I was thinking about adding it to these pages. I believe you have added qualifying criteria to some of the majors' pages. Just looking for your advice and wanted to see if you thought this stuff was notable.

Oogglywoogly (talk) 06:24, 5 August 2021 (UTC)Oogglywoogly
 * For the Players Championship the Eligibility Requirements could usefully be added to the individual articles we have eg the field section of 1980 Tournament Players Championship. The World Series of Golf was just for the major winners initially but it would be useful to have details about how people qualified when it expanded. Just add something to the "1976–1998" section, I suggest. Nigej (talk) 06:57, 5 August 2021 (UTC)


 * Ok, I gave it a go with the 1980 Tournament Players Championship and 1985 Tournament Players Championship. I intend to add "Eligibility Requirements" to all of the events. In addition, I intend to merge "Field" and "Eligibility Requirements."


 * I haven't done anything for the World Series yet though I definitely intend to add Eligibility Requirements. In addition, I intend to create individual pages for all World Series events from 1976 through 1998. Do you think that will pass?


 * Oogglywoogly (talk) 05:06, 10 August 2021 (UTC)Oogglywoogly
 * Had a look at 1985. Of the top 125 from 1984 (https://www.pgatour.com/content/pgatour/stats/stat.109.y1984.html) seems Mark Lye and Gary Player were missing from the field. Remaining 21: Paul Azinger, Woody Blackburn, Phil Blackmar, Mike Bright, Jay Delsing, Brad Fabel, Bob Gilder, Bill Glasson, Wayne Grady, Lou Graham, Bob Lohr. David Lundstrom, Sandy Lyle, Andrew Magee, Andy North, Arnold Palmer, Chris Perry, Bill Rogers, Gene Sauers, Dave Stockton, Greg Twiggs. Obviously some major winners there, but not 100% clear how they all qualify since I've no idea who were "designated players" and "special selections". Don January seems to have been the Senior Tour money leader from 1984 but didn't play. Nigej (talk) 06:22, 10 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Seems that most of the 21 (not in the top 125 of the 1984 money list) got in through the 1985 money list (https://www.pgatour.com/content/pgatour/stats/stat.109.y1985.eoff.t018.html): Woody Blackburn (12), Kikuo Arai (22), Andy North (43), Bill Glasson (46), Brad Fabel (52), Paul Azinger (55), Sandy Lyle (69), Andrew Magee (76), Jay Delsing (77), Mike Bright (87), Chi-Chi Rodríguez (90), Bob Lohr (97), Chris Perry (99), Phil Blackmar (101), Wayne Grady (104), Greg Twiggs (106), Gene Sauers (110), Bob Gilder (112), David Lundstrom (115), Bill Rogers (117), Tom Sieckmann (118), etc. Nigej (talk) 08:30, 10 August 2021 (UTC)


 * Ok, thanks... still adding Eligibility Requirements... I'm up to 1999. Hopefully by tomorrow or the next day I will be up to the present day. Ultimately I intend to merge both "Field" and "Eligibility Requirements" for all of the Players events.


 * Also, do you think creating individual pages for the World Series of Golf will fly? I don't know if individual events have warranted enough coverage years after the event to justify an article.


 * Oogglywoogly (talk) 03:58, 12 August 2021 (UTC)Oogglywoogly
 * Probably World Series of Golf is unsuitable for individual pages. Even the ones we have (like the WGCs) often contain little or no text and are just statistical. I would have thought that an expanded article would be better. Nigej (talk) 06:00, 12 August 2021 (UTC)


 * Yes it looks like the individual WGC articles have almost no text on their pages. Perhaps they should be deleted?


 * In addition, although I am currently working on The Players Championship pages, perhaps these should be deleted too? There is text and a decent amount of citations on all of these pages. However, most of this is "routine" coverage - reported shortly after the event ended. To justify pages for individual tournaments I think we coverage months (or years) after the particular event.


 * I believe User: wjemather knows a decent amount about this. If you could help that would be great.


 * Oogglywoogly (talk) 16:51, 12 August 2021 (UTC)Oogglywoogly
 * I suspect The Players has sufficient history now to be worth keeping. This sort of debate goes back a long way, see eg Articles for deletion/2010 Players Championship (3rd nomination) and related AfDs. I'm a little more doubtful about the WGCs which seems to be fading away and perhaps won't have that big a place in the long term history of the game. Given that they exist I'd be tempted to keep them for now. Nigej (talk) 17:01, 12 August 2021 (UTC)


 * Yes, just saw the Articles for Deletion debate. For what's it worth, I think User: wjemather may still be right in proposing for these pages to be deleted. Not exactly sure what the wiki rules are though.


 * Anyway, given your advice, I don't think I will create individual World Series of Golf pages. I may add Eligibility Requirements to the general page, however.


 * FYI: An administrator notified me that the use of the PGA Tour Media Guide for the 1999 Players Championship violates copyright rules. You can see it on my talk page. Maybe all the "Eligibility Requirements" will have to go.


 * Oogglywoogly (talk) 03:04, 13 August 2021 (UTC)Oogglywoogly

a question about clipping
I have a question about clipping from newspapers.com.

So I use a lot of articles from newspapers.com and usually "clip" them. However, I am unsure about the value of this method. Sometimes, I try to see the article from the perspective of someone who doesn't have newspapers.com (so I don't sign in). For example, go to 1971 PGA Tour Qualifying School graduates and see citation #2. It is from an article from the Orlando Sentinel's Jim Warters. It doesn't seem like a non-user can really read this article. It is too vague and distant; the non-user can't "Zoom in" or anything. But non-users will be able to read more compact articles like this.

Basically, I am wondering if it is worth it to "clip" the longer articles. Before I was a newspapers.com user I thought it was valuable that I could read these clipped articles (the short ones that I could actually read). I could get real evidence about this particular event. But if a non-user can't even read these lengthy-written articles I don't see the point. As far as I can tell, a non-user can't "Zoom in" for the big articles.

Any help would be much appreciated.

Oogglywoogly (talk) 05:34, 12 August 2021 (UTC)Oogglywoogly
 * Not really sure. Can't non-subscribers simply click on the image and then zoom in? Nigej (talk) 05:55, 12 August 2021 (UTC)


 * I don't think so. For us subscribers, there is the "+" button where we can zoom in. For non-subscribers, from what I can tell, they can't. I think for the shorter articles I'm going to continue to clip but for the longer ones probably not.


 * Oogglywoogly (talk) 16:57, 12 August 2021 (UTC)Oogglywoogly

top 125 money list: 1985 players
Here is the list in order, based on best to worst, on the 1984 money list. I tried several times to include this on the 1985 Tournament Players Championship page but it did not work. Quite frustrating. In addition, I spend nearly a half hour converting all the notable names (i.e. almost all of them) with wiki pages into wiki pages links. All my hard work wasted. Anywhere here it is. Not sure if it'll work for your wireless signal...

1. Top 125 players, if PGA Tour members, from Final 1984 Official Money List

Tom Watson, Mark O'Meara, Andy Bean, Denis Watson, Tom Kite, Bruce Lietzke, Fred Couples, Craig Stadler, Greg Norman, Peter Jacobsen, Payne Stewart, Lee Trevino, Gil Morgan, Curtis Strange, Jack Nicklaus, Ben Crenshaw, Gary Koch, Corey Pavin, Jack Renner, Wayne Levi, John Mahaffey, Scott Simpson, David Edwards, Bob Eastwood, Calvin Peete, Hal Sutton, Scott Hoch, George Archer, Lanny Wadkins, Gary Hallberg, Hale Irwin, Dan Pohl, Hubert Green, Chip Beck, Ronnie Black, Larry Mize, George Burns, Nick Faldo, Tom Purtzer, Fuzzy Zoeller, Tim Simpson, Larry Nelson, Billy Kratzert, Jay Haas, Mike Donald, Johnny Miller, Jim Thorpe, Mike Reid, Mark McCumber, Russ Cochran, Seve Ballesteros, Rex Caldwell, Don Pooley, Buddy Gardner, Roger Maltbie, Doug Tewell, David Graham, Joey Sindelar, Larry Rinker, Willie Wood, Dave Barr, Mike Sullivan, Jim Colbert, D. A. Weibring, Nick Price, Bobby Wadkins, Raymond Floyd, Mark Pfeil, Vance Heafner, Tony Sills, Lon Hinkle, Jim Simons, Bernhard Langer, Jim Nelford, Tommy Nakajima, Keith Fergus, Peter Oosterhuis, John Adams, Ron Streck, Brad Faxon, Ralph Landrum, Isao Aoki, Gibby Gilbert, Gary McCord, Donnie Hammond, Loren Roberts, J. C. Snead, John Cook, Sammy Rachels, Clarence Rose, Mike Nicolette, Tim Norris, Allen Miller, Pat Lindsey, Richard Zokol, Frank Conner, Dan Halldorson, TC Chen, Joe Inman, Danny Edwards, Tom Jenkins, Pat McGowan, Dan Forsman, Howard Twitty, Morris Hatalsky, Phil Hancock, Jim Dent, Barry Jaeckel, Victor Regalado, Ken Brown, David Ogrin, Jodie Mudd, Mark Hayes, Mike Smith, Bobby Clampett, Jerry Pate, Ed Fiori, Mac O'Grady, John Fought, Mark Brooks, Lance Ten Broeck, Tommy Valentine, Brett Upper

Oogglywoogly (talk) 05:54, 14 August 2021 (UTC)Oogglywoogly


 * Never mind. It just worked.


 * Oogglywoogly (talk) 06:02, 14 August 2021 (UTC) Oogglywoogly

re: Outwith
Hi there, sorry about using that word on the 2021 British Open article. I was completely unaware that the word [which generally means "with exception of"] is predominately only a Scottish word! I thought it was something that was mainstream in English, but I learned today its not. Sorry for that confusion! --CitroenLover (talk) 11:51, 15 August 2021 (UTC)
 * I'd assumed that it meant that. Perhaps suitable for the Scottish language version.  Nigej (talk) 12:18, 15 August 2021 (UTC)
 * LOL I had no idea there was a Scottish language version of Wikipedia. That being said, its unreadable even for me so I probably won't use that version. And going forward I'll avoid putting outwith on the articles :D --CitroenLover (talk) 15:11, 15 August 2021 (UTC)
 * the Scots Wikipedia actually is written in Scots, not Scottish English. I've not heard of the word myself. Best Wishes,  Lee Vilenski (talk • contribs) 17:31, 15 August 2021 (UTC)

using vimeo and other related media
Hey, I was wondering if it's ok to use Vimeo or other forms of media like this. Specifically I was thinking about using this video where Charlie Bolling is being interviewed. I know using vimeo as a source may be frowned upon here but he is being interviewed by a reliable source (CBS Sports Network) and it is through the PGA of America's account. Any help would be much appreciated.

Oogglywoogly (talk) 21:40, 18 August 2021 (UTC)Oogglywoogly

Santiago Tarrío
Does a page need to be created for him if he is now in the OWGR Top 100? Jimmymci234 (talk) 05:51, 13 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Yes, that's been my rule. Will have a go later in the day probably, unless you're keen? Still wondering whether he ought to be Santiago Tarrío or Santiago Tarrío Ben. Nigej (talk) 05:54, 13 September 2021 (UTC)

I won’t really be free until this evening to do it, but if you have time before then please go ahead and create it. I would imagine to use Santiago Tarrío rather than Santiago Tarrío Ben. The OWGR tends to use the full names of Spanish players whereas other profiles do not is my understanding. Probably best to go with what his ET profile says. Jimmymci234 (talk) 06:11, 13 September 2021 (UTC)

New Page Patrol newsletter September 2021
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adding amount of weeks at #2
Hey,

I just thinking we should add the amount of weeks golfers spent at #2 in the world if they peaked at that number. As you know, we do this for golfers who peaked at #1. I think it is important as a number of great golfers (an extreme example being Phil Mickelson) have spent a number of weeks stuck at #2. I think adding the weeks gives a good idea of how good of a number #2 they were.

However, I don't think we should expand this beyond #2. If some golfer spent a number of weeks stuck at #16 or something it is obviously irrelevant. But it seems to me that #2 is unique; as many golfers may have been good enough for #1 in other time periods but were stuck behind a legendary golfer (e.g. Tiger Woods).

In addition, we have a list which is here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_male_golfers_who_have_been_in_the_world_top_10#Number_two_in_the_rankings_but_never_number_one.

Oogglywoogly (talk) 22:37, 17 September 2021 (UTC)Oogglywoogly
 * It would be nice if we had a good reference for the list of world number 2s. If we did, I'd be keen on the idea. Nigej (talk) 06:05, 23 September 2021 (UTC)


 * Hmmm... up above is our Wiki list. Perhaps you mean a reliable third-party reference, though? If so, I have some details below...


 * Phil Mickelson's stature at #2 has received a wide level of attention. For example see here and here and here.


 * For the rest of the guys, though, I must say that I found nothing. Perhaps we should just add the list of weeks for Mickelson, as he was such a dominant #2 and we have reliable third-party sources for it. What are your thoughts?


 * Oogglywoogly (talk) 02:58, 29 September 2021 (UTC)Oogglywoogly

re: discussion on talkpage
Hi. Sorry, I don't know how the "tagging" thing works (where you @ someone and it notifies them), so I'm flagginng this here on your talkpage so you can respond: WT:SNOOKER --CitroenLover (talk) 12:24, 13 October 2021 (UTC)

1991 New Zealand event
I have almost completed the page of Mike Colandro. However, there is this mysterious 1991 event in New Zealand that I do not know the results of nor do I even know the name of the tournament. Not sure if you could help out...

Oogglywoogly (talk) 02:42, 1 November 2021 (UTC)Oogglywoogly
 * Seems to be a pro-am (PA) played after the NZ Open https://www.newspapers.com/clip/88141492/the-sydney-morning-herald/ No idea what "Bridge" refers to. Nigej (talk) 05:43, 1 November 2021 (UTC)
 * Bridge Pā is area where Hastings GC is. Nigej (talk) 06:14, 1 November 2021 (UTC)


 * Thank you for the additional information. It turned out to be quite helpful and I used your link for the article.


 * In addition, I have a final question about Colandro. He definitely won an event called the Ansett Yarra Yarra Easter Classic in April of 1985. I have the link here from the Age.


 * There is another article stating that Colandro won something called the Eastwood Open in late 1985. However, I have researched for this alleged event on the search engines and I find nothing. I suspect that this article (which is not a primary source) is confusing the Eastwood Open with the Easter Classic. However, I have no way of knowing for sure. Not sure if you have heard of this apocryphal Eastwood event.


 * Oogglywoogly (talk) 04:17, 6 November 2021 (UTC)Oogglywoogly
 * See https://news.google.com/newspapers?id=gMwzAAAAIBAJ&pg=6549%2C278634 which shows that there was a A$7,000 pro-am at Eastwood Golf Club in Melbourne on 15 Dec 1985 - two rounds of 72 won it. Also mentions a Bendigo pro-am he won earlier in the year. Seems he had problems with his temper. Nigej (talk) 06:14, 6 November 2021 (UTC)


 * Thank you! This link was a big help. Yes, Colandro definitely had some serious self-control issues which almost ended his career (see: "Late career and rules controversies")


 * In addition, if these "loose ends" questions irritate you please let me know and I will stop asking you. Inevitably, there always seems to be a few "loose ends" after every long page I create and you seem to be the best "go-to" to find this stuff...


 * Oogglywoogly (talk) 16:09, 10 November 2021 (UTC)Oogglywoogly
 * Always happy to help! Nigej (talk) 16:25, 10 November 2021 (UTC)


 * Well thanks for your help!


 * In addition, I have made a post on the WikiProject Golf talk page about exhibition wins. If you could contribute that would be great.


 * Oogglywoogly (talk) 01:40, 12 November 2021 (UTC)Oogglywoogly

Snooker Century breaks on players infoboxes
Hi I was just on Neil Robertson's page and i saw his century total with a date but i see it has century breaks has been removed from the infobox. Say he was playing tonight and made a century to get to 800 how does one go about editing the page to make sure the total is correct ?. How did you change it ?. Kentbobo (talk) 19:26, 9 November 2021 (UTC)
 * See the discussion at WT:SNOOKER. The centuries information is now held in a file called Template:Infobox snooker player/century breaks. The discussion is ongoing and it has not yet been decided whether to update this information daily or just after each event. Feel free to add your thoughts. Nigej (talk) 19:31, 9 November 2021 (UTC)

Hi thanks for the link i use snookerinfo.webs 100+ breaks myself. i know that is updated daily as is the live scoring on World Snooker live scores as you know. As long as it is done right and the figures are correct i don't mind to be honest. i have noticed lots of editors are on the ball here ie naming the exact frame and opponent when adding new century breaks. May i ask why was it changed was it due to vandalism or no ?. Thanks KB 31.200.162.181 (talk) 19:38, 9 November 2021 (UTC)
 * The issue is that Wikipedia policy requires all information to be "verifiable". Simply adding numbers to an infobox is not acceptable. The plan is that a centrally controlled data file will be easier to monitor. But note that the precise detail of what will be in this file is still under discussion. Absolutely nothing is decided yet about the content of this datafile. Nigej (talk) 19:46, 9 November 2021 (UTC)

What datafile are you talking about ?. Can you explain what you mean please ?. I'm lost sorry. Kentbobo (talk) 19:50, 9 November 2021 (UTC)
 * Template:Infobox snooker player/century breaks. Nigej (talk) 19:51, 9 November 2021 (UTC)

Why is the file under active consideration ?. We need to keep track of who in the game has made at least 100 century breaks would you not agree ?. It really is imperative that this function is maintained for now and for the future so people know exactly how many centuries each player has made. It is a very important stat that is mentioned in every live match you ever see on Tv. We have to keep it Kentbobo (talk) 14:33, 10 November 2021 (UTC)
 * I'm also very keen to keep it. However, unreferenced data or unreliably sourced data can be removed at any time, so it is very important that when you add stuff, you provide a reference to a reliable source. Nigej (talk) 14:42, 10 November 2021 (UTC)
 * Yeah, we don't "keep track" of things on Wikipedia. We denote information from reliable sources. Best Wishes,  Lee Vilenski (talk • contribs) 15:15, 10 November 2021 (UTC)

Snooker Players Career earnings
Hello, I now see prize money has been removed from infoboxes also is this on a template now or gone ?. Kentbobo (talk) 14:25, 10 November 2021 (UTC)
 * Yes, gone from the infobox. There were only 4 articles (out of hundreds) in which this number was referenced to a reliable source. We'll be happy to see reliably-referenced prize money information in the articles of course. I see you've given up the DooksFoley147 user name and switched to Kentbobo. Hopefully you'll stay logged into that to make all your edits, rather than logging out. It would help you use the "watchlist" facility to keep up to date with what's going on, rather than being surprised to find changes. Nigej (talk) 14:39, 10 November 2021 (UTC)

Great granddaughter thanks
Hi Nigej, thanks for adding all this wonderful information about my Great Grandfather! Living so far away from home, it was lovely to come across this Wikipedia page full of so much information - a lot of which I never knew. Fred's medals, some photos and more can be found hanging in The New Club in St Andrews. 49.197.245.61 (talk) 21:36, 11 November 2021 (UTC)
 * I'm please that its been interesting to you. Unfortunately I don't know which Fred you're referring to. Nigej (talk) 05:58, 12 November 2021 (UTC)

Jamie Burnett has not made a maximum break in Snooker
Hi can I just say I noticed Burnett's page says he has made 1 maximum break he has not. He made a break of 148 which is a high break. He is not on the official list of maximum breaks made and this is an error. Can you remove this please ?. 77.75.244.40 (talk) 09:39, 12 November 2021 (UTC)
 * See number 57 in the list. Nigej (talk) 09:50, 12 November 2021 (UTC)

My apologies I thought that 148 was added in error my mistake. I think it is a bad idea to get rid of the highest break that a player has made in his career. Firstly I think it is nice to know what breaks players have made that are not 147's. These are all listed on the WS website. Why did you want to remove them ?. 77.75.244.22 (talk) 16:28, 12 November 2021 (UTC)
 * See WT:SNOOKER where it was discussed (and an early discussion in January: WT:WikiProject Snooker/Archives/2021/January). As was shown by this example it is easy for someone to check the information about maximums. Often it's mentioned in the article and if not, there is the link to the maximum break article. However for high breaks there was generally nothing. No reference to it in the infobox, nothing in the article about it and no article that we can link with the information. This issue has been brought up many times over the years but the people adding the stats have never done anything about referencing their data to reliable sources. Eventually it had to stop, probably it should have been done 5 or more years ago. The other issue is that Wikipedia is not a stats or news site. We don't need to "mirror" stats held elsewhere although we can usefully point people to where the latest information is held. Nigej (talk) 16:53, 12 November 2021 (UTC)

Haining Open 2021
Hi Nigej I want to add this to the Snooker season 2021/2022 calendar. You stated previously they could be mentioned further down the calendar of 2021/2022 season. I would like to know what you meant. It is still on the calendar and European players did not enter due to COVID like Chinese players are not entering UK events. 77.75.244.29 (talk) 20:15, 3 December 2021 (UTC)
 * Personally I'd like to have the top table with just the main tour events. I'd be happy to have other tables in their own sections further down the article. Seniors, Womens, Q Tour, "events that no one is interested in" like Haining, Vienna Snooker Open, Pink Ribbon. "It is still on the calendar" Where? here https://wst.tv/wp-content/uploads/2021/11/Calendar_2021_22_v20_issued_16.11.2021_.01.pdf ? here http://www.snooker.org/res/index.asp?season=2021&template=2&tour=all ? Nigej (talk) 20:33, 3 December 2021 (UTC)

It is an independent event maybe you don't care about but plenty of other people do. It was established here long before your time, that a professional snooker event did not have to be ran by the WST as it is now to carry professional status. Check Chris Turner's site for evidence of this regarding many independent events. People have been caught up in this nonsense of WST only events. These events do count as WPBSA player profiles show these events are included in career wins section on official sites. Maybe people are wrong on here to over look them ok. 80.233.16.5 (talk) 21:29, 3 December 2021 (UTC).
 * There's lots of sports events that lots of people are interested in. However, lets not pretend they're all equally important. It's simply not true. Always remember that we're an encyclopedia, not a stats site. We can cover events like the Haining Open but we need to make it clear that they're not very important compared to the UK Championship for instance.Nigej (talk) 21:48, 3 December 2021 (UTC)
 * More to the point, IP user, consensus changes over time. Something being done previously on Wikipedia isn't a reason for it to continue to be done in such a way. You seem to constantly tell people that they are "wrong", and barrage your point ahead, but this event is clearly not very important. It's worth finding out what the scope for the season events should be. Previous attempts to do this have been reverted to having the events listed in a calendar, but a better solution is to have different tables for different tours. Bare in mind, the Haining Open (and say, Pink Ribbon, Vienna Open et al) are likely much less notable than the world amateur championships, or the World Games for example.
 * If you would like to draft up a version of the page that would benefit from the addition of this event in a WP:sandbox, then that would be a good way to do this.Best Wishes,  Lee Vilenski (talk • contribs) 22:31, 3 December 2021 (UTC)

Lee you are pushing your opinion that the Haining Open is less important than the world amateur championship. The Haining Open is a non-ranking invitational so I don't know how you can come up with that conclusion. My point is that it should be included on the calendar as it is recognised by the WST and the WPBSA as you can see from their player profiles. 31.200.158.32 (talk) 00:56, 31 January 2022 (UTC)

re: China Championship edits
Hiya, I noticed you reverted the edits I did. I'm unsure what you mean by "doesn't work" though.... I looked at the edit and it appears to work just fine? It also matches with the format we now use on the Home Nations articles for this season (eg 2021 Northern Ireland Open), so I'm not really certain what you're referring to by "it doesn't work". Guidance would be appreciated. --CitroenLover (talk) 13:55, 4 December 2021 (UTC)
 * Your version was this which is all wrong for me. You need to create two brackets, one for top half and one for the bottom half. Nigej (talk) 14:01, 4 December 2021 (UTC)
 * Ohhhh, I see. So if I split it into 2 halves, it would be fine? Easy to fix since there's only 3 pages needing to be updated. Thanks for letting me know! --CitroenLover (talk) 14:12, 4 December 2021 (UTC)
 * Easiest way is to make two copies. In the first delete the second half of each round, in the second delete the first half of each round. Nigej (talk) 14:15, 4 December 2021 (UTC)
 * Yep, I think the new version looks better. Will update the 2017 and 2018 versions to match. Out of interest, did the China Championship ever "seed" players? The draw document on the WST website implies there was no seeding, I ask because the format of the pages is weird (we've got the flags in the space where seeding numbers are used, which looks inconsistent with the rest of the wiki). --CitroenLover (talk) 14:41, 4 December 2021 (UTC)
 * Not sure about the seeding but certainly I'm not keen on the style you refer to (eg 2017 China Championship (snooker)). I've already changed a few (adding the flag before the players name and leaving the seed part blank). One issue is that is makes the use of flagathlete impossible. Also well worth using "|short_brackets=yes" option when using the RoundN module, creates some extra space, see eg 2021 Scottish Open (snooker). Nigej (talk) 14:52, 4 December 2021 (UTC)
 * Yeah, I prefer the flagathlete template so there's consistency to everything. And yeah I'll certainly use that short_brackets parameter!
 * [PS: why is the 2017 China Champs title disambiguated in that way lol. Seems like a mistake since there's nothing at 2017 China Championship and the other versionns aren't disambig'd this way, should we just move it off the disambig title?] --CitroenLover (talk) 15:08, 4 December 2021 (UTC)
 * In the past we've had a few difficulties getting rid of the disamb bit from the snooker articles, some editors think that names like 2017 China Championship for a snooker event are unsuitable since there are probably lots of other China Championships. It was hard work for Lee getting plain "2021 UK Championship". I think we can simply move them now, since no one's complained about the recent ones. Nigej (talk) 15:22, 4 December 2021 (UTC)
 * Haha, yeah that makes sense. Alright, I'll move the 2017 China Championship article and then update the links to it in the pages where its used. Should we leave a redirect in place, or just not bother keeping the disambiguated title redirect? --CitroenLover (talk) 15:30, 4 December 2021 (UTC)
 * Use the "Move" option under "More" and it'll leave a redirect behind automatically (as I remember). Nigej (talk) 15:33, 4 December 2021 (UTC)

Matthias Schmid
I see the European Tour are now referring to him as Matti Schmid in articles etc. However his European Tour, PGA Tour and OWGR bios still refer to him as Matthias. Should we be changing the article name yet or is it just something to look out for in the future should he be referred to as Matti more? Jimmymci234 (talk) 18:31, 7 December 2021 (UTC)
 * Too early I think. We used to take OWGR as a good guide but they're a little slow to change at times. I'd certainly wait until 1 of the 3 change their official name for him in leaderboards etc, preferably 2 of them. Nigej (talk) 18:42, 7 December 2021 (UTC)
 * In fairness I'm pretty sure they have been using Matti for a short while now on the leaderboards on their website. Sky Sports have been using Matti on their broadcast as well, probably because ET have changed it. Jimmymci234 (talk) 18:51, 7 December 2021 (UTC)
 * Yes, I see that https://www.europeantour.com/players/43516/ already calls him Matti and https://www.europeantour.com/european-tour/joburg-open-2022/results?round=2 too. I can't see any problem with changing it, Almost certainly the others will change soon. Nigej (talk) 18:59, 7 December 2021 (UTC)

Isao Katsumata
I recently created a page for Isao Katsumata. I don't have any lingering missing bits of information questions. However, I couldn't find much about his performance in his home country. He recorded a second-place finish at the 1961 Japan Open but that's all I could get. Not sure if he simply didn't do well enough in his home country to warrant media coverage or, oddly, rarely elected to play there. Anyway if you or User:Wjemather know anything please let me know.

Thanks, Oogglywoogly (talk) 02:13, 13 December 2021 (UTC)Oogglywoogly
 * Unless you can read Japanese, that is going to be difficult! However, I've linked it to the jpwiki article (which has some info), added his name in Japanese (which may help searching) and added his PGAoJ profile link. Also added maintenance tags that could use attention. wjematherplease leave a message... 13:11, 15 December 2021 (UTC)

Mass stub creators
I basically agree with you about this and I whole-heartedly encourage you to report anyone doing this who has the autopatrolled bit to WP:ANI because the entire purpose of autopatrolled is that the editor who has it is trusted to create viable articles. That's how it was removed in the Turkish village stubs case. I think it might also be worth considering opening a WP:RSN on sports-reference.com similar to what was done with GNIS - I guess "option 5" here would be something along the lines of "Is reliable for statistical data but is not stand-alone proof of notability". FOARP (talk) 12:23, 15 December 2021 (UTC)


 * And yeah, no kidding. WP:CRIC's been a running sore for a long time, helped by the enablers who think their soi-disant collective manhood is at stake at the very suggestion that mass sub-stubs aren't, well, cricket.  If it wasn't for the surety that no good would come of it, there'd be some serious flames at WT:CRIC about StickyWicket's crack, and the enablers, edit warriors and sub-stubbers who've made it that way.   Ravenswing      21:59, 22 December 2021 (UTC)

Unused Templates Task Force
Hey, Nigel, I've noticed you being active in Tfd's for the past few days. If you're interested in joining the task force I started, the Unused Templates Task Force, feel free to join and participate. --WikiCleanerMan (talk) 02:09, 24 December 2021 (UTC)

Template:Infobox snooker player/maximums
Hey, Template:Infobox snooker player/maximums is unused but I see you are updating it. What is its purpose? Gonnym (talk) 13:40, 2 January 2022 (UTC)
 * when it's done, it'll be used to populate the maximum breaks parameter in Template:Infobox snooker player. Best Wishes,  Lee Vilenski (talk • contribs) 17:50, 2 January 2022 (UTC)
 * I was planning a centralised system for the maximums but abandoned it. Nigej (talk) 17:57, 2 January 2022 (UTC)

Dreadnought class template
Hi, just wanted to thank you for your heads up, but to let you know that you've actually made a mistake, as the one you have listed for deletion is actually a template for a separate class of submarine. HMS Dreadnought (S101) was the Royal Navy's first nuclear powered submarine commissioned in 1963, while the template with the four submarines listed on it is the Royal Navy's new class of ballistic missile submarine, the first of which is currently under construction. Hammersfan (talk) 15:46, 30 January 2022 (UTC)

Change at TfD
Hey, TfD has changed this week so new nominations go at the bottom and not at the top anymore. Not sure you saw that message so letting you know. (If you use Twinkle it does this automatically) Gonnym (talk) 10:41, 7 February 2022 (UTC)

2020 Indian Premier League
Hello, Recently you have edited match score in 2020 Indian Premier League article and you have did [|this revision] so can I ask what is the reason behind this? ( Mr.Mani Raj Paul   - talk  16:02, 9 February 2022 (UTC))
 * See Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Cricket which refers to an earlier discussion at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Cricket/Archive 91 where there was a consensus that having 60 separate templates each containing 1 match result was an unsatisfactory system. I have copied them into the main article where they should be, adding named sections so that the individual match results can be copied into other articles. The plan is then to delete the 60 templates. Nigej (talk) 16:07, 9 February 2022 (UTC)
 * So what a about 2019 Indian Premier League and 2018 Indian Premier League ( Mr.Mani Raj Paul   - talk  12:30, 10 February 2022 (UTC))
 * I'm planning to convert those too. Nigej (talk) 12:32, 10 February 2022 (UTC)

February 2022
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Precious anniversary
--Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:56, 15 February 2022 (UTC)

Bill Israelson
I recently completed my latest magnus opus, Bill Israelson. There are still a few things missing...


 * I brought this up on the general talk page recently. Israelson definitely won the 1973 Minnesota State Junior Boys' Golf Championship. The link is here. He also successfully defended his championship the following year according to the tournament's wiki page. Yet I couldn't find a primary source for it on newspapers.com. If you find anything that'd be great.


 * Looks like Israelson did not qualify for the PGA Tour at 1982 q-school. I have evidence that Israelson played in the event and was doing relatively well at the beginning. However, it looks like he did not make the top 50 to qualify: https://www.newspapers.com/image/379299500/?terms=PGA%20Tour%20qualifying%20school&match=1. Basically, I was looking for information about his performance at the end of tournament.


 * I was looking for his performance at the finals of 1983 PGA Tour Qualifying School. There is evidence that he made it through regionals. However, I couldn't find any stuff for finals. If could find anything let me know.


 * According to Israelson, he was the medalist at local qualifying for the 1984 U.S. Open. I couldn't find any info about his results thereafter, however. I know he didn't qualify for the event proper but was looking for his results at the regional (and perhaps sectional) qualifier.

Any help would be much appreciated.

Thanks, Oogglywoogly (talk) 02:52, 23 February 2022 (UTC)Oogglywoogly
 * See "Jaycee champ". Refers to "Tom Harper" not "Jim Harper". Couldn't find anything for the others. The trouble is that there's coverage for the leaders, but there isn't really much for those who missed out. Nigej (talk) 16:17, 24 February 2022 (UTC)


 * Thank you for the jaycee stuff. I added that and deleted stuff for the qualifying events where it looks like he didn't do much.
 * Oogglywoogly (talk) 03:17, 9 March 2022 (UTC)Oogglywoogly

Alas... there are a few more questions. Almost done...


 * This link says he had a three-stroke lead after the first round of a two-round TPS pro-am. I was wondering if you could complete it with the second round stuff. If not I think I'll just delete it...


 * According to this link Israelson won the Minnesota Match Play in 1994. It was his third win in four years. I have a link that says Israelson won the 1991 event. However, this page, while incredibly comprehensive, ends at 1991. So I don't have information about this other win which occurred in either 92 or 93. If you could find it that would be great...


 * A final question... sort of trivial but it was on my mind. A lot of events he played in his early amateur days were referred to as "shortstop" events. I have never heard of this term before in relation to golf events. Have you heard of it and do you know what it specifically refers to?

Thanks, Oogglywoogly (talk) 06:42, 14 March 2022 (UTC)Oogglywoogly


 * Hey Please can you do something about the maintenance tag I placed on this article? You seem to have indiscriminately included absolutely everything you could find, but probably 80-90% of the content simply does not belong in an encyclopedic biography (WP:NOTEVERYTHING). It needs reducing to a (detailed) summary of the important points; for example, why are there eleven sentences on the St Cloud Pro-Am when "He was runner-up at the St Cloud Pro-Am" is pretty much all we need to know; similar summarising is required throughout. Thanks. wjematherplease leave a message... 11:11, 14 March 2022 (UTC)

Template category map
Hey, Nigej, I created a subpage to better navigate across that vast categories for templates, Template category map. I created it to root out any unwanted or unnecessary templates as stated on the page. I haven't edited it in a month, but you're welcome to as long as you inform me through the edit summary. With those sports navboxes for teams that didn't win a championship, which they are dozens of, this page could help you find it and nominate it at Tfd's without having to find it by chance. Hope this helps. --WikiCleanerMan (talk) 21:08, 25 February 2022 (UTC)

Civility rule broken
In a post on a recent AFD, you said "if the nominator keeps nominating articles we might end up with some good ones" which is rude and not civil. Cranloa12n (talk) 02:29, 2 March 2022 (UTC)
 * Sorry if you took offence. It was meant humorously, in that it often seems that nominating an article for AfD results a rapid improvement in the quality of the article, so might, in a counter-intuitive way, be a good strategy to get articles improved. Nigej (talk) 06:49, 2 March 2022 (UTC)

"Inactive Editor"
While I am not very active on Wikipedia anymore for reasons I won't get into, that doesn't mean I'm not here and unwilling to respond to things. I don't really appreciate the label, but I also understand it's not very avoidable for someone like me. This is of course assuming that the 'inactive editor' you referenced in the TFD is me. — <font color="Green">Dæ <font color="Blue">dαlus + <font color="Green">Contribs 02:25, 5 March 2022 (UTC)

South Coast Open
I think you made the page for the South Coast Open a couple years ago. On the page we only have four events. However, I came across this source from 1985 which says they were preparing for the 64th year of the event. What do you think? Is this article referring to a different event with the same name?

Thanks, Oogglywoogly (talk) 21:04, 6 March 2022 (UTC)Oogglywoogly
 * It looks like there was a South Coast Open amateur championship which was started in 1922 (https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/131711904), unconnected with the professional event. All a bit confusing. Nigej (talk) 21:17, 6 March 2022 (UTC)


 * Thanks!
 * Oogglywoogly (talk) 07:09, 14 March 2022 (UTC)Oogglywoogly


 * I obtained potentially more information about this event. In 1962, Bennetts won the South Championship. Do you think this is the same thing as the South Coast Open Amateur Championship?


 * Thanks,
 * Oogglywoogly (talk) 15:56, 4 June 2022 (UTC)Oogglywoogly
 * Yes. Seems so. https://news.google.com/newspapers?id=8YNWAAAAIBAJ&pg=6059%2C218493 has S. Coast Amateur C'ship Nigej (talk) 17:27, 4 June 2022 (UTC)


 * Thanks. This is a big help!
 * Oogglywoogly (talk) 06:42, 8 June 2022 (UTC)Oogglywoogly

1958 South African PGA Championship
It says on the page of Dai Rees that he won the 1958 South African PGA Championship. I believe the source is from this site referenced within the prose section. However, on the South African PGA Championship page it says the event did not even begin until 1965. What do you make of this contradiction?

Gracias, Oogglywoogly (talk) 05:57, 18 March 2022 (UTC)Oogglywoogly
 * Well spotted. It was the match-play he won. I have corrected it. Nigej (talk) 06:34, 18 March 2022 (UTC)

WikiProject Deletion sorting/Olympics
Hello, Nige. I've begun a deletion sorting page for articles about the Olympics which are nominated at AfD. Hope you find it useful. No Great Shaker (talk) 14:00, 23 March 2022 (UTC)

Flags
In previous years, we always applied the appropriate country flag to the next round's bracket when two golfers from the same country were playing each other. The editors of the tennis pages do the same thing. Is there a particular reason you do not want this done any longer? Johnsmith2116 (talk) 18:58, 26 March 2022 (UTC)
 * Discuss at WT:GOLF (end of that section under "side note"). Basically what we've done before and what others do, are not good reason for carrying on the same. Nigej (talk) 19:03, 26 March 2022 (UTC)
 * That seems to be going around a lot these days, while it dodges the question. What is the harm in adding that flag? It makes less work for later on, and it's not as if it's factually incorrect. The adding of it has not changed anything. The only thing that has changed is certain people's attitudes about it. The tennis pages get tenfold the views what the golf pages get, and I have never seen anyone there have a problem with adding a flag to the future round when it can be added. It seems that in the third decade of the 21st century, people all over have decided that they want to have a problem with everything, everywhere, all the time. As a Generation X'er, this is like living in the Twilight Zone. Johnsmith2116 (talk) 19:13, 26 March 2022 (UTC)
 * This compulsion to add incomplete (or predictive) information, and apparent reluctance/impatience to wait for actual results, is baffling. wjematherplease leave a message... 19:21, 26 March 2022 (UTC)
 * I agree. Let's just wait for the result and then add it. Its so simple. Nigej (talk) 19:31, 26 March 2022 (UTC)
 * Yeah, this stuff isn't sourced; and not exactly helpful. Who particularly cares if the person in the next round is English? Best Wishes,  Lee Vilenski (talk • contribs) 20:23, 26 March 2022 (UTC)