User talk:Nyttend/Archive 17

DYK for Pahuk
The DYK project (nominate) 06:02, 1 October 2010 (UTC)

DYK for Mecklenburg's Garden
 — Rlevse • Talk  • 12:04, 1 October 2010 (UTC)

KJ's Design Studio article
Could you please tell me specifically why the page for KJ's Design Studio can not be approved? I'm not trying to create an advertisement, I'm trying to list my company's history. Thanks.

Address Restricted
Please see

Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_National_Register_of_Historic_Places

I've volunteered you for something.

Smallbones (talk) 19:41, 1 October 2010 (UTC)

A file deletion dispute
Not sure if this is correct. But you have deleted a page "GSMotorsport" I followed the layout, the information style and the details about this company to mimic the already exsisting page relating to "Demon Tweeks" which is a similar company. I do not understand why the basic information has been deleted with 3 basic links.

Thanks GSleigh (talk) 15:11 24th November 2010 (UTC)

A file deletion dispute
Hi,thanks for deleting two of my speedy deletions and I noticed that you cleared the speedy deletions on many others and I see your reasoning for most of them, however one I do not:

File:British Colonies in North America c1750.png is in fact a duplicate of File:British Colonies in North America c1750 v2.png the latter being the one Wikis are using and the former being the one not in use anywhere. They are in same file format and are duplicates with the only difference being the fact that the numbers are in dark red in the one to be deleted and black in the one to keep. Vadac (talk) 21:08, 1 October 2010 (UTC)


 * Here it is on today's deletion log thank you for supporting the deletion request in the end. I also have nominations here as well if your interested as they are along the same subject and contain ones you stated did not fit speedy deletion criteria. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Vadac (talk • contribs) 00:54, 2 October 2010 (UTC)

Nyttend, just a nod, that you might want to glance at User talk:Vadac. I hope what I wrote was correct; do let me know if not. Cheers,  Chzz  ► 01:26, 2 October 2010 (UTC)

Parking Lot
I've resigned myself to just waiting for a nice day when I'm free. This weekend is probably out, though if the weather is nice I might be in West Chester snapping a few odd photos while with my wife. As far as BPOE No. 2, I probably have a picture of the parking lot somewhere - it is surrounded by interesting buildings; but I might as well wait until I can get a GOOD picture of the parking lot (which won't be that long). Smallbones (talk) 22:09, 1 October 2010 (UTC)

Category:BLP articles lacking sources from May 2006
Did this show up in CSD (as it was supposed to) or did you find it some other way? Thanks. Rich Farmbrough, 12:20, 2 October 2010 (UTC). Excellent! Rich Farmbrough, 12:20, 2 October 2010 (UTC).

Wylie School entry
Hi. You added Wylie School to the NRHP Windham County list. You should probably note that it is already listed (correctly) in the New London County list. The NRIS and the NRHP nomination form are in error regarding the county as Voluntown is in New London County. It is also not a border thing as the school is a few miles from the border with Sterling. I think the state of Connecticut is a more authoritative source than the NRHP for what county Voluntown belongs to. I'll leave the decision on what to do with this to you. --Polaron | Talk 22:48, 2 October 2010 (UTC)
 * The given coordinates and address and property size put it wholly within the town Voluntown. There is no question the property exists only in Voluntown. For some reason, however, the writer of the NRHP form used Windham County as the county instead of New London County. Voluntown did use to be a part of Windham County (until 1881) and maybe for the period of significance of the property, Voluntown was in Windham County. I assume our lists are based on the current county to which the town is assigned though. --Polaron | Talk 23:00, 2 October 2010 (UTC)

Liam O'Brien (footballer born 1991)
He hasn't played in a professional game. I'm assuming you've mistaken his appearance for Eastbourne as such, but the team plays in the Football Conference, which isn't considered to be a fully professional league. Are you still able to delete or do I have to tag it again? J Mo 101 (talk) 08:25, 3 October 2010 (UTC)

Children's Museum pictures
Not really I have never taken a photo for a Wikimedia project, but that's mostly because I don't have a camera. If I can score one for the trip, I would be happy to take photos of whatever is needed. If you really want to make sure I do it, though, you should e-mail me a few days before to remind me. —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 19:35, 3 October 2010 (UTC)

Children's Museum Info
Thanks so much for your note. I'm sorry you won't be able to make it up for the Backstage Pass. I wanted to let you know that we will be having another public event with User:Awadewit and User:Witty lama speaking and leading a workshop with IUPUI museum studies students (and other Indianapolis college students.) While it's geared toward new and prospective Wikipedians (specifically museum studies students), we're opening it up to anyone interested in attending. I'd love to meet you and tell you more about my Children's Museum-Wikipedia project. It will be at the Indianapolis Museum of Art on Tuesday night, November 2 from 6-9pm.

I'd be thrilled if you wanted to become a member of my TCMI project and keep your eye on things as we move toward a content donation to Wikimedia and begin collaborating with various WikiProjects. You can see an overview of the project here. It's still in its beginning stages, so there isn't much action on the page yet. Your involvement would warrant me coordinating another time that you could possibly come up to TCMI in the coming months.

As for TCMI images, this is going to be a major component of what I'm organizing there during my project. You can add requests to  this section of the project page. (It's easy to miss at the moment because it hasn't been added to yet.) I will be digging up lots of images in the next weeks and can keep my eye out for anything you want!

To answer your question, surprisingly I'm just coming up on my first Wiki-editing anniversary, so I'm relatively new. I've not coordinated any other Wiki-Meet Ups. My involvement at TCMI is as a museum studies grad student who also appreciates Wikipedia. You should certainly connect with User:Awadewit, as she's down in Bloomington and is coordinating the Campus Ambassador program there.

Let me know if you're interested in attending November 2nd and thanks for touching base. HstryQT (talk) 20:46, 3 October 2010 (UTC)


 * A major component of my project will be meeting with the various departments in TCMI and digging up published research that they have either come across, or that they have created, for their many subject areas and exhibits. I'll be organizing all of this content and presenting links to it on the project page for WikiProjects to more efficiently use. Whenever possible, TCMI will be posting content to their website as cc-by-sa so that it can be used more easily. I will be at TCMI through May, most likely, so there is still time to frame what content (and what forms of content) will be the most useful for Wikipedia. If you have ideas about how this could link to your MLS I'd be happy to brainstorm. HstryQT (talk) 21:53, 3 October 2010 (UTC)


 * I'll try to take some pics, as you requested! Awadewit (talk) 02:35, 4 October 2010 (UTC)

Missouri towns
Missouri towns were given the opportunity to reincorporate as cities if they satisfied the population requirements and most did. Any that did not reincorporate were deemed to be villages. Here is the current Missouri Blue Book classification of municipalities. --Polaron | Talk 23:26, 3 October 2010 (UTC)

Cincinnati scope
Hi! I noticed back in March 2010 that you reverted my addition of the Cincinnati portal. The Cincinnati project's scope includes not just the city of Cincinnati, but the surrounding areas in Ohio, Kentucky, and other states. WhisperToMe (talk) 00:28, 4 October 2010 (UTC)

AN/I Discussion
Hello. This message is being sent to inform you that there currently is a discussion at Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents regarding an issue with which you may have been involved. Thank you.
 * (The above message was mistakenly added to the top of your talk page by User:Soundvisions1. As I'd come to make sure the message had been sent, and didn't spot it at first, I moved it here. Hopefully that's ok). - Bilby (talk) 12:05, 4 October 2010 (UTC)

Target Field
Thank you for making the correct reference to the originating photo. What I'm still not clear on is whether "PD-self" is appropriate. I didn't take the picture, all I did was crop it to isolate the area where the retired numbers are. Is there something I should use besides "PD-self"? ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 16:10, 4 October 2010 (UTC)
 * You lost me. Is "PD-self" acceptable? If not, what exactly should I use? What would you use? ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 17:20, 4 October 2010 (UTC)
 * I put back the "PD-self" until something better comes along, to keep the bot program from griping about a missing tag. I also said "thanks" in the edit summary. :) ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 20:51, 4 October 2010 (UTC)

The Analysis Code
A quick look at IMDb for the director and some of the stars shows that this film does not exist under any of its titles. Look at Google, too. It's a made-up film. Could you please delete it? It's not worth the AFD grief. Erik (talk &#124; contribs) 12:05, 5 October 2010 (UTC)
 * A ridiculous hoax. And not the only one the editor created. I sent it to AfD. Cindamuse (talk) 14:40, 5 October 2010 (UTC)
 * I can see 3 hoaxes made by this user yesterday. I would prefer that Nyttend deleted the articles, as he contested the CSDs, but I'm very tempted. Fribbler (talk) 14:44, 5 October 2010 (UTC)

Deletion of iFlyOnline
Hi,

There was a speedy deletion template placed on the article I created, iFlyOnline. I placed the hangon tag below the CSD template, and posted on the talk page why this page should not be deleted. That seems to have been ignored and the page is now gone. Why? Thanks  T ofutwitch11  (T ALK ) 18:58, 5 October 2010 (UTC)

Yes Please  T ofutwitch11  (T ALK ) 19:06, 5 October 2010 (UTC)

And, btw, it is not just a website. It is an online multilayer server hosting a session for pilots to recieve ATC and fly. It is very similar to that of VATSIM, Boston Virtual ATC (which I wrote and published), and IVAO.  T ofutwitch11  (T ALK ) 19:16, 5 October 2010 (UTC)

Inherited notability?
hwhat?!? says who? Please show me where in our guidelines says it's ok for people to have articles on wp just because they are related to some royalty. Moreover, it seems to me that wp is quite clear there's no inherent notability... Anonimu (talk) 19:43, 5 October 2010 (UTC)


 * I strongly disagree with your position, and I'm going to pursue this to the notability noticeboard. I fail to see how being born in a privileged family gives someone notability. If we were to follow such guidelines, half of WP will be about dead British nobility, but will still exclude countries like Romania and France that have abolished all nobility titles.Anonimu (talk) 19:56, 5 October 2010 (UTC)

Deletion of Highlife (Band) / Sleepy Doug Shaw / Best Bless (Album)
There was a speedy deletion template placed on three articles I created, Highlife (Band) / Sleepy Doug Shaw / Best Bless (Album). These articles pertain to an artist that released his record last week and has been garnering national press. I probably should have been doing these in my 'sandbox' but I was aware of some press that was coming out this week (a three page feature in a NYC based weekly paper and a lead review at a major indie music website). As the artist is playing festivals over the next few months I wanted to start these wiki's in order to provide accurate information. I apologize for not getting my citations in order quickly enough but as he performs under various names in a few internationally know bands (including a few with thorough wiki entries) I wanted to get a jump start on differentiating the different projects/roles as people begin to look for information. Can you post these to my user account so that I can finish them and repost? Thanks. (T ALK )

WP:UAA
I saw your comment at UAA about "Gigabytes of block logs" - just wanted to let you know it's a returning vandal, unfortunately. TN  X   Man  20:45, 5 October 2010 (UTC)

Devon Bridge
Hi Nyttend, the Devon Bridge name was a overly long and difficult compromise which you can read about on the Housatonic River Railroad Bridge talk if you really feel the need to waste 15 minutes of your life. :-) Anyway, I've kept your edit except added back in the "NRHP" piece, since that's what is/was in dispute. I hope you're okay with that? Best, Markvs88 (talk) 20:46, 5 October 2010 (UTC)

DYK for Elias Abel House
 — Rlevse • Talk  • 00:03, 6 October 2010 (UTC)

Files that I tagged
Hello, Nyttend. I see that you have declined several of the files that I tagged for deletion presuming that the source for them was sufficient. I do not believe that this is so; I’ve checked the sources and made a note in my edit summary stating that the references were in fact. As the purpose of having a source in the image description is to verify the copyright status of said image, if I am unable to access the source, then I am unable to access information on the copyright. Having sources that no longer exist is, in my opinion, akin to having no sources at all. Could I ask that you please restore the deletion tags I placed on the files? I await your response on this matter. :| TelCo NaSp  Ve :|  23:35, 6 October 2010 (UTC)

Austin Volk-DYK
The Austin Volk article would be an good DYK article. I am not sure how to nominate it. Users:Scanlan and Marknutley must be recognized for they lots of work on it-Thanks-RFD (talk) 16:14, 7 October 2010 (UTC)

Articles for deletion/East Cobb, Georgia
Closed as "keep" (sorry) but I couldn't help but notice the "pointyness of the article's primary editor. If you look at my talk page you'll see a similar situation WRT Tapioca Express (AFD) and Quickly (AFD). --Ron Ritzman (talk) 04:11, 8 October 2010 (UTC)

DYK question: Alms and Doepke Dry Goods Company
Hello! Your submission of Alms and Doepke Dry Goods Company at the Did You Know nominations page has been reviewed, and there still are some issues that may need to be clarified. Please review the comment(s) underneath your nomination's entry and respond there as soon as possible. Thank you for contributing to Did You Know! M AN d ARAX •  XAЯA b ИA M  00:54, 9 October 2010 (UTC)

Criticism of Citizendiu
Can you not WP:IAR here? There's no useful content, and the same content was db-authored at the correct title Criticism of Citizendium. Exxolon (talk) 18:26, 9 October 2010 (UTC)

Zed bazi
I have once again restored the copyright CSD to the article Zed bazi. The text is there in the expanded text of the facebook page.

The two seem to match exactly. I have taken a smaller paragraph as an example, but the rest of the text is there in the cached Facebook page. If you still have difficulty seeing the cached version of the page, please let me know and I will try to give you a hand. Thanks...  ttonyb (talk) 19:29, 9 October 2010 (UTC)

most visited
is there a page of "Most Visited Pages" on Wikipedia? A Word Of Advice From Beastly20:   Don't Be Silly,   Wrap Your Willy!  20:01, 9 October 2010 (UTC)

Republic of Texas (1861)
I will ask you to undo your reversion of my proposal of the Republic of Texas (1861) for speedy deletion. This is an article that contains factual error masquerading as actual history. If Wikipedia does not delete for this reason, Wikipedia is useless as an encyclopedic resource. Please let the process of review take its course to preserve the utility of this source to students in search of actual historical information. To verify my allegation, please review the evidence I posted on the Talk Page.Professor Storyteller (talk) 23:05, 9 October 2010 (UTC)
 * I have answered you on my page.Professor Storyteller (talk) 23:21, 9 October 2010 (UTC)
 * I have answered you anew on my page.Professor Storyteller (talk) 03:07, 10 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Answered again on my page.Professor Storyteller (talk) 04:21, 10 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Additionally - I don't know if this is relevant to the AFD process, but my comments on that page are not exactly the same as those on the Republic of Texas (1861) talk page - I compacted and reworded to reduce reading load as best I could.Professor Storyteller (talk) 04:26, 10 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Replied again.Professor Storyteller (talk) 05:42, 10 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Replied.Professor Storyteller (talk) 18:47, 10 October 2010 (UTC)

Gary Fitzgerald
You undid the speedy deletion for this article on notability grounds on the basis that he is a leader of a political party.

He is not, he was a candidate for Local Council elections (of which there were 753 seats for all the councils), with several candidates per seat.

He therefore does not meet the notability requirement for a politician. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 194.46.230.154 (talk) 01:21, 10 October 2010 (UTC)

Hi Nyttend - "Rick DePiro (aka Ricky Dee) article question and apology to you
Hi Nyttend!

First, I want to apologize for the move that put my Rick DePiro (aka Ricky Dee) article in the mainspace of Wikipedia before it's final and hopeful "ok" review was completed.. I noticed that somehow I had the title in the Article "review" page doubled and I was trying to get it to just have one title -- so when I moved it, I thought it would just fix the title and STILL be finally reviewed -- Im SO sorry to have bothered you and Wikipedia with this -- Is it still ok to have it in the review space so I can hope for a final OK -- Mr DePiro is a worthy Artist and I dont want my VERY first article to cause any problems for any of you at Wikipedia!

Thank you very much!

--A&amp;RBoss (talk) 03:58, 10 October 2010 (UTC)

Thanks for your quick response!
Hi Nyttend!

Thanks for your quick response!

There was a page entitled Rick DePiro (aka Ricky Dee) (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rick_DePiro_%28aka_Ricky_Dee%29) -- that you deleted recently because it shouldn't have been moved to the Wikipedia mainspace -- that was my error in moving it -- the page up for final review i was trying to just fix the title on (because it reads:Wikipedia talk:Articles for creation/Wikipedia talk:Articles for creation/Rick DePiro (aka Ricky Dee)  (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Articles_for_creation/Wikipedia_talk:Articles_for_creation/Rick_DePiro_%28aka_Ricky_Dee%29) This is the actual article I am waiting for it's (hopefully) final review and "ok".

I just wanted to apologize for the "final review page" wrongly being moved by me inadvertently to the mainspace -- and was wondering IF the article is STILL ok for review and is it still "on hold" or do I need to completely resubmit it? (these are probably really stupid questions, so forgive me -- obviously my very first article -- BUT I am learning!!) Thanks again for your patience and assistance! --A&amp;RBoss (talk) 04:17, 10 October 2010 (UTC)

Golan Heights (Israeli sub-district)
Everything in the history and population sections including almost everything of the lead except for just a couple of unsourced sentences are already in the Golan heights article. See here:. Almost the entire article has nothing to do with a "Golan Heights (Israeli sub-district)" the information is about Golan heights in general and is already at that article as linked to above. There is also already an article about the north district: North District (Israel). Please delete the article this topic banned user started with his sock. --Supreme Deliciousness (talk) 20:01, 10 October 2010 (UTC)
 * You don't have to trust me, read the article, and read everything in these four links I provided. I don't know of any special map of the Israeli proclaimed Golan heights district. A google search of "Golan Heights sub-district" only brings normal maps of Golan heights.  --Supreme Deliciousness (talk) 20:22, 10 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Thats only a part of it, as I said, almost everything in the article is unrelated to the the administrative sub district but is about the general GH region, if I remove everything about the GH region and only keep the info about the district, it will be an article consisting of two sentences. One of these sentences being that its a sub district - already in both the North District (Israel) article and Golan Heights article, and the other sentence would be about druze population - already in the the GH article. Found this: Israeli government website:, the district is the same area of the Golan heights that Israel occupies. --Supreme Deliciousness (talk) 21:59, 10 October 2010 (UTC)
 * You believe its relevant to the administrative district, I don't. There is the talkpage of the article, if you want to get involved and show how all the text in the article is related to the district. Link to the key? --Supreme Deliciousness (talk) 09:17, 11 October 2010 (UTC)

undeletion request
Would you please undelete File:Squarespace logo.png? It was deleted after its article (Squarespace) was deleted, but the article deletion was incorrect and has been reversed by the closing administrator (see User talk:Cirt). —  pd_THOR  undefined | 19:52, 11 October 2010 (UTC)

Thanks! —  pd_THOR  undefined | 19:58, 11 October 2010 (UTC)

Article Kirby G4 deleted
Hi, The article Kirby G4 was deleted. I feel that this was in error. Can we correct the problem? PS31994 —Preceding unsigned comment added by PS31994 (talk • contribs) 00:54, 12 October 2010 (UTC)

2 more for Philly
2 more for Philly. Gotta run - last year my computer got fried in a similar thunderstorm. Smallbones (talk) 02:04, 12 October 2010 (UTC)
 * The storm has passed over. Today I only got 5 sites, but 2 were the kind where I drive in circles for an hour to find.  2 more to go to finish all the listings in Philly. They are the furthest in the boonies, and I can't do it tomorrow, but sometime this week!  Smallbones (talk) 03:29, 12 October 2010 (UTC)
 * BTW good work in Tippecanoe and Owen County too. I know you did Tippecanoe last year.  Smallbones (talk) 03:48, 12 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Got the last 2. Smallbones (talk) 01:06, 14 October 2010 (UTC)

DYK for Alms and Doepke Dry Goods Company
The DYK project (nominate) 18:02, 12 October 2010 (UTC)

Talkback

 * +1  Acroterion  (talk)  18:29, 12 October 2010 (UTC)

Optimus prime image
File:Optimusprime-classictoy.jpg is a photo of copyrighted 3D art; I changed the original tags to reflect as such [the original uploader has a long history of mislabeling images he's photographed as releasable under GFDL]. Hence the reduction in file size and the CSD tags. It is a non-free image with no fair-use claim and not used in any articles; it should be deleted [just as a few dozen if not hundred of the uploaders other files have been]. --EEMIV (talk) 00:43, 13 October 2010 (UTC)


 * A copyrighted work -- "art" has a broad meaning beyond simply "statue." Simply taking a photo of a copyrighted design does not make the image fair-use; it is, instead, a derivative work and similarly bound by the rules of WP:NFC. --EEMIV (talk) 00:49, 13 October 2010 (UTC)


 * As a point of comparison, see e.g. this from the same uploader once he figured out how to properly create a FUR and use images. This older upload had been used against policy as an image in the wikiproject banner; it is now unused, and although originally uploaded with wrong tags, the need for FUR and following NFCC apply. --EEMIV (talk) 00:51, 13 October 2010 (UTC)


 * *shrug* Whatever. I don't know the vagaries of cars and whatnot to comment on them, merely that ANI has several times told the uploader that these kinds of images must be claimed under fair use (which he's started doing). This images, when they've wound up orphaned after being yanked from merges and AfDed articles, are axed soon thereafter. I'm happy to just IfD it for someone who knows more clearly how they're supposed to be treated -- or, rather, why they've consistently been deleted -- can weigh in. --EEMIV (talk) 00:56, 13 October 2010 (UTC)
 * User:After Midnight has deleted several of the same user's orphaned toy photo images; perhaps you can check in with him/her/it to ascertain what the exact nuance/reason is. --EEMIV (talk) 00:59, 13 October 2010 (UTC)

'Transformix Engineering' Deletion
Dear Nyttend,

On 9 October 2010 at 14:25 you deleted a page I created, titled Transformix Engineering, citing (G11: Unambiguous advertising or promotion). As you can probably tell, I am relatively new to contributing to Wikipedia and am seeking your coaching and further justification for the deletion. Please consider the following:

This article was published nearly one year ago in early November 2009. Until your deletion, no cautions or reservations about the content were expressed (to my knowledge). Content was fully cited, factual, and presented without bias to the best of my abilities. I have slowly built on the original article since then as appropriate information became available and as I continued to explore functionality available on Wikipedia. Therefore, I am finding it difficult to accept that the article remained published for almost 1 year, in good standing, before its sudden deletion. If the page drifted from pure fact to a promotional piece, which was not my intention, then I would have much preferred for the offending sentence(s) to be edited or removed instead of deleting the entire article.

If there were early warning signs or tags on the Transformix Engineering article that I missed, then I apologize. I am only prepared to contribute an hour or two per week to Wikipedia because of other obligations. I did not have an opportunity to place a ‘hang on’ tag before the article’s deletion.

For full disclosure, I should also acknowledge that I am actively employed by Transformix Engineering thereby presenting a possible conflict of interest with the subject matter. Please note that I wrote the article strictly on a volunteer basis. Public Relations and marketing are the furthest things from my day-to-day job duties as an engineer. As long as edits are cited and presented in a neutral point of view, then I do not anticipate that my employment status will be a concern.

Likewise, you deleted a page titled Peng-Sang Cau, the President and CEO of Transformix Engineering. Naturally, the notability of Peng-Sang Cau’s page diminishes substantially without a complementary page for Transformix Engineering.

In conclusion, please consider reinstating both the Transformix Engineering and Peng-Sang Cau pages.

Thanks in advance, Lucas Parafianowicz (talk) 02:28, 13 October 2010 (UTC)


 * Dear Nyttend,

Thank you for your note on my talk page and reinstating the Transformix Engineering article.

As for the complementary Peng-Sang Cau page and notability there of... I agree with your comment, in that “not all founders of companies are important”, or at least not important enough to warrant a Wikipedia page. Therefore, my question is: Where is the line drawn in the sand to determine which business leaders are or are not important enough to be given a Wikipedia entry?

In this case, Peng-Sang Cau founded Transformix Engineering 15 years ago and grew the company from nothing to a multi-million dollar business with 75 employees. As President and CEO throughout, she has navigated this engineering and manufacturing company through the recent (and ongoing?) economic recession. Transformix is going through a rapid growth much to Peng-Sang Cau’s credit. Personally, I think this justifies her importance and notability relative to other business leaders who have Wikipedia pages. If this reasoning was not adequately expressed in her page, then I would ask that you re-publish it and allow me to make the appropriate changes.

Again, I am still relatively new to Wikipedia and I would appreciate any guidance that you could provide.

Thanks again,

Parafianowicz (talk) 01:06, 15 October 2010 (UTC)

DYK for Lombardy Apartment Building
 — Rlevse • Talk  • 06:02, 13 October 2010 (UTC)

Chris Gibson
Hey,

I have recently added a point of discussion to the talk page of the Chris Gibson disambiguation, and I noticed you had contributed to that so I wanted your input.

Thanks in advance!

Theeagleman (talk) 16:18, 13 October 2010 (UTC)

NRHP categorizations
I reverted this edit of yours for several reasons:
 * My responses to your responses:
 * I can't find the exact diff where I got the idea it was better not to link the state and "United States" in an NRHP article lede, but I decided after someone else did it in bulk that it wasn't such a bad idea to leave those unlinked inline per WP:CONTEXT.
 * Naming is one thing; linking another. I believe it was Tony of date-delinking infamy who made those delinks en masse (In any case the state and "U.S." are already linked in the infobox).
 * Per the relevant MOS page: "Unless they are particularly relevant to the topic of the article, avoid linking terms whose meaning can be understood by most readers of the English Wikipedia, including plain English words, the names of major geographic features and locations ..." (Emphasis mine). Daniel Case (talk) 00:09, 14 October 2010 (UTC)
 * It's Tony1, actually, and you might want to read some of the things on his user page about overlinking. And I would submit two things re the Kent, Ohio, article: it's about that city and state, so of course the links would be more directly relevant. Whereas I think in articles about subjects other than settlements, a link to only the smallest subdivision relevant suffices. Daniel Case (talk) 00:57, 14 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Just because it's done in an FA (particularly one approved several years ago) does not automatically make it OK. Daniel Case (talk) 01:09, 14 October 2010 (UTC)


 * As with East 80th Street Houses, where I also reverted you, the buildings that comprise that listing were built over a period of years rather than one single year. Therefore I find the decade category more appropriate.
 * I'm aware of the issues with the date ranges in "period of significance". My categorization choices for those articles reflect the fact that the actual applications state that the buildings (although they are not listed as historic districts, they are indeed groups of buildings) were built over a period of years. Some of us do actually read the applications when they're available (as all of NY's are) and try to write articles that reflect that we have. When an article is about four buildings built separately between 1922 and 1928, it is misleading to assign them all to a single year. Daniel Case (talk) 00:03, 14 October 2010 (UTC)


 * I have often gone further than the NRIS and clarified whether the "private" in question was a residence or a business. I see no reason why we should not do so if the information is available. Daniel Case (talk) 16:55, 13 October 2010 (UTC)


 * Comment to both of you (having stumbled upon this): "Private" and "private residences" are both informative descriptive terms for that property, but how many native speakers of English would understand either of those terms to be a "governing body"? In this context, the label in the NRHP infobox is the problem -- it makes no sense when the entry is "private." NRIS presumably uses the term "governing body" because it's a government database and the identity of an owning government body is important in government circles, but that's not the situation for Wikipedia. If you want to say "private," in the infobox, edit the infobox to make "Ownership" an alternate label for that field. --Orlady (talk) 03:46, 14 October 2010 (UTC)

Oxford Magazine (Miami University)
Just thought I should point out that per Copyright violations, when there is an assertion of permission such as an OTRS pending tag, while the speedy deletion should be declined the article should then be blanked via {{subst:copyvio}} as we often never receive usable permission. Cheers! VernoWhitney (talk) 20:15, 13 October 2010 (UTC)
 * We already received the email (that's what led me to the article), it just isn't usable yet. Blanking it puts it into the queue at WP:Copyright problems, completely unrelated to speedy deletions. At this point it will stay blanked for a week unless either usable permission comes through or someone rewrites the article so it's no longer a copy of the source; at the end of the week it will either be deleted or stubbed to remove the copyvio if anything's salvageable (or possibly relisted for various reasons). VernoWhitney (talk) 21:51, 13 October 2010 (UTC)

Heavydata
Hey, I saw that you deleted Heavydata's user page. (Actually I'm the one who reported it.) Is it okay if you came and showed it at the Administrators' Noticeboard. Here's the section, and it'd be really nice if you showed it there. Thank you, and I really hope you can help me out! Endofskull (talk) 22:13, 13 October 2010 (UTC)

Talkback
Actually, read my reply. You can delete the page again. Endofskull (talk) 22:24, 13 October 2010 (UTC)

File:Aeronwy.jpg
Regarding your speedy decline on the file, I requested speedy after seeing what was wrote on the tag permission tag, that said that if it was the only copyright tag present, it should be deleted under F3. Thanks, Acather96 (talk) 05:14, 14 October 2010 (UTC)

DYK for Austin Volk
 — Rlevse • Talk  • 06:05, 14 October 2010 (UTC)

About redirects Greek National Road 2 and Greek National Road 7
I have inserted the deletion template because of an automated message of wikipedia after page moves that says that if a redirect is wrong (not just a typo) then I should mark it for deletion. If you see List of Greek roads, you will notice that the above roads are different from the ones that their articles are redirecting to. All I want to do is to fix this mistake. I had tried some time ago with the Greek National Road 2 again to speedy delete it, but someone again rejected my proposal. Because I don't contribute mainly in the English Wikipedia, and I don't know if there is another process, I want to ask you If you know what should I do. Regards, --Dead3y3 (talk) 06:16, 14 October 2010 (UTC)

Thank you very much for your answer! I will follow the process you described me. --Dead3y3 (talk) 13:04, 14 October 2010 (UTC)

Copyvio query
Hi Nyttend. You just declined three speedies I put on images where the creator had screenshotted a video game published on the BlackBerry and redrawn the images (very badly)(File:Doodle_Powerups.png File:Doodle Monsters.png File:Doodle Platforms.png). The game is copyright to Lima Sky (see here for claim of copyright), the illustrations were created by Elise Gravel - you'll note the page features her copyright claim. I apologise if I did not provide sufficient information in the speedy tag, but there is no way the images I tagged are not derivative works, and the uploader's claim to be the sole creator is simply not correct. I believe he has had the usual problem that because the game is distributed free or can be played for free, he believes that the images can be copied for free. You'll notice that the logo used in the Doodle Jump article (File:Doodle jump icon.png) is used under a fair use claim. --Elen of the Roads (talk) 10:29, 14 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Thanks for taking a second look. I figured that it was probably that I hadn't given enough (or sufficiently clear) info on the speedy tag.  Sorry 'bout that. --Elen of the Roads (talk) 12:44, 14 October 2010 (UTC)

Template:PoliticsUS
Hi there, could you clarify the reasoning a little on this edit. Green Giant (talk) 01:27, 15 October 2010 (UTC)

Bright idea

 * Endorsed. It's a good'un. -- zzuuzz (talk) 08:57, 15 October 2010 (UTC)
 * I agree, I thought it was an excellent idea.-- SPhilbrick  T  12:00, 21 October 2010 (UTC)

Kappa Tanabe
Hi - you recently deleted the Kappa Tanabe page, which was one of many I created nominated for deletion by the same person. I thought the article asserted importance - if it did not, could you explain to me what is required to "assert importance"? You can respond here. Thanks. Tduk (talk) 19:59, 15 October 2010 (UTC)
 * It said that he'd played with a few different individuals and never explained why anything that he'd done was that impressive. As far as I could see from that article, he's quite the average musician.  I'd suggest attempting to prove notability; as long as you provide enough reliable sources (your references, by the way, didn't generally appear to be reliable) to demonstrate notability, I can't imagine that the article would be deleted under A7 grounds — A7 is meant to get rid of articles that neither show importance nor notability, since they would surely be deleted at AFD; it's not meant to get rid of anything that would be kept at AFD.  Nyttend (talk) 20:16, 15 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Really? My understanding of the process was as follows: Speedy deletion is meant to weed out obvious spam and other problematic material. That is why it explicitly states notability is not required to pass a speedy delete. On wikipedia, articles require the work of multiple people - thus, to create an article, it may not be the best article, because it's not always the case that a single person can do so - I certainly don't have the time to. Wikipedia is a collaborative effort. This article was only up for a few days - it did not have time to get updated by people with more time and knowledge than me. A great example of an article that went through this process is Darren Barrett. I want to contribute to wikipedia, but I have limited resources, and I contribute in what ways I can. In order for wikipedia to be a true collaborative resource, there needs the be a buffer for articles to pass speedy, but perhaps not pass AfD (or to pass after people become aware of the AfD and improve it). In this case, particularly, I am not capable of finding the sources in Japanese - that's why I created the article. I know that people are weary of creating article - for exactly this reason that they get deleted - and I have created articles in the past and been overjoyed that people have found stuff to contribute to them. Tduk (talk) 20:25, 15 October 2010 (UTC)
 * (and also there is The Heymann Standard) Tduk (talk) 20:26, 15 October 2010 (UTC)
 * What I'm saying is that Kappa Tanabe was the kind of problematic material that it's supposed to weed out: it never showed why she was importance. I know that notability isn't required to avoid an A7 speedy; my point is that A7 mustn't be used on articles that demonstrate notability, so if you can demonstrate notability, you'll definitely be able to avoid the A7.  Nyttend (talk) 21:03, 15 October 2010 (UTC)
 * I see what you're saying, though I still don't agree with your interpretation of the policy. Rather than argue about it, can you suggest a venue where I can ask for clarifications on questions I may have about the policies? I don't want to bother you and seem to harass you, so outside input from a forum might be best.. Thanks! Tduk (talk) 22:41, 15 October 2010 (UTC)
 * First off, you're neither bothering nor harassing me, and I don't see this conversation as an argument, so don't worry about it :-) You could go to WP:HD for help, or WT:DP for input on deletion policy, or even WP:DRV if you'd like to ask for this deletion to be overturned on the grounds that this article didn't qualify for A7 speedy deletion.  Nyttend (talk) 23:30, 15 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Thanks, I'll check those out... Out of curiosity, what would you have done with Darren Barrett, if my initial version of it had been nominated for speedy? Tduk (talk) 23:40, 15 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Hi - can you have a look here and let me know what you think? Tduk (talk) 22:39, 19 October 2010 (UTC)

Notification
Please see Arbitration/Requests/Amendment. This request was initiated by Koavf, but as far as his contributions show, he didn't notify any user...so I'm notifying you because you participated in the discussion that led to the community sanction. Cheers, Ncmvocalist (talk) 21:24, 15 October 2010 (UTC)

Reflist block

 * Why doesn't the link work? It works for me in Notepad.
 * I just added the link. --Chemicalinterest (talk) 00:17, 16 October 2010 (UTC)
 * I am restricted to a certain group of pages by Content Advisor in Internet Explorer, which does not allow sites with no rating, like most internet sites. I can only access wikipedia sites, not wikimedia sites. --Chemicalinterest (talk) 12:58, 16 October 2010 (UTC)
 * That just meant I cannot access those sites. You can try to get it whitelisted, but someone said there are "annoyingly placed advertisements" on that site, so people would be reluctant to get it whitelisted. I have already posted one at Mediawiki talk:Spam-whitelist. Maybe I can just add the info and not put a reference in. --Chemicalinterest (talk) 13:01, 16 October 2010 (UTC)

Talkback and Cookie


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DYK for Grandview Apostolic Church
The DYK project (nominate) 18:04, 16 October 2010 (UTC)

Buddy Society Wikipedia Page
Buddy Society's Wikipedia page was deleted on Saturday October 16, 2010, immediately after a new section regarding the fashion label's events history was added. Prior to this addition, the page was a complete article without any tags. This is a notification that an email was sent to your inbox with details about this situation, as well as Buddy Society's wish to continue being a part of Wikipedia through its original page. I look forward to resolving this issue. Thank you.

--Crystalroseluv (talk) 07:39, 17 October 2010 (UTC)

WP:DRV for File:Hetchins headtube.jpg
The reason for deletion was Criteria for speedy deletion — invalid fair use policy. Would you be amenable to reviewing your deletion? As I recall, four attempts were made to get the FUR up to standard, by two separate editors. I accept that the argument for inclusion on Hetchins was stronger than for Lugged steel frame construction, but I would welcome any suggestion as how to use it there as well. It's not relevant to this discussion, but as a BTW I have a personal email from the copyright holder authorising use here, but it falls short of the standard wording. --Old Moonraker (talk) 15:43, 17 October 2010 (UTC)
 * You are right: File:Hetchins head tube Coventry Transport Museum.jpg exists on Commons.--Old Moonraker (talk) 14:23, 18 October 2010 (UTC)

Template:Infobox protected area
Just wanted to say thanks for the protected template edit and all the other stuff you do. – droll &#91;chat&#93; 23:31, 18 October 2010 (UTC)

Montgomery
Use the town. Yes, the hamlet existed, but not to the extent that it did now, and it was the only concentrated settlement in the town at the time so they were identical in a way they aren't now. Daniel Case (talk) 02:35, 19 October 2010 (UTC)

Kappa Tanabe
Can you please userfy the page as well as the talk page? Thanks.. Tduk (talk) 00:47, 20 October 2010 (UTC)

Directions to covered bridges
I noticed that you removed the driving directions from Smolen–Gulf Bridge per WP:NOTTRAVEL. I wanted to let you know that it appears that all Ashtabula County covered bridge articles (see List of Ashtabula County covered bridges) have directions. I would contact User:Homefryes for his feedback, or at least to let him know your intentions, since it appears that he created all of the articles in question [edit: except for West Liberty Covered Bridge, which I created two days ago] and included the directions on initial creation. I'd be curious to know his rationale.

My opinion: I'd leave the directions on the remaining pages, since while the above guideline discourages them, it doesn't outright prohibit them in this context. Mapsax (talk) 22:09, 20 October 2010 (UTC)


 * [Subject drift] I replied at Talk:West Liberty Covered Bridge, not sure if you've seen it. Mapsax (talk) 00:05, 23 October 2010 (UTC)


 * Looks good for now; we'll see if there's clarification in the dedication media coverage. Mapsax (talk) 00:58, 23 October 2010 (UTC)

Discussion on additional "Republic of ..." articles
I started a discussion at User talk:Pfly which may interest you due to your involvement at Articles for deletion/Republic of Texas (1861). There are additional articles which may require closer examination. Feel free to move the discussion to a better venue - I started it there before realizing that others should probably be informed about it. --- Barek (talk) - 00:03, 21 October 2010 (UTC)

Categories
In July the governor signed a law renaming 5 colleges in the state. I moved the pages then but am just now getting around to the categories. I have created other categories before nominating each one so they are technically obsolete and nothing is being lost there. What do you see wrong in doing something which I am technically doing correctly? Kevin Rutherford (talk) 00:52, 21 October 2010 (UTC)
 * I'll continue the discussion here. The categories are uncontroversial to begin with and summaries like this are a bit worrisome. What is the reason that you don't want me to go ahead and IAR? Kevin Rutherford (talk) 00:55, 21 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Then what do we do for the colleges that have been renamed four or five times (like mine)? I have never seen categories exist for multiple incarnations of the same institution. Besides, keeping one category is usually the normal thing to do. Also, since some colleges have completely renamed themselves all around, having multiple categories might give the impression that multiple institutions have existed. Having worked in these areas before, I might be a bit of a hardliner. Finally, this category only seems to allow for one category per institution in its wording. Kevin Rutherford (talk) 01:04, 21 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Ignore all rules is what I am abiding by here. I feel like opening a CfD will likely just prolong the existence of these templates and I removed things manually because it's much quicker. Kevin Rutherford (talk) 01:09, 21 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Okay. May I retag the category and get another admin's opinion? Kevin Rutherford (talk) 01:18, 21 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Wow, I forgot about that obvious fact. CfD it is then. Kevin Rutherford (talk) 01:23, 21 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Here you go. Kevin Rutherford (talk) 02:40, 21 October 2010 (UTC)

Bishop Harold W. Speights
Curious if you did a Google search before declining SD, as there are only 5 entries C T J F 8 3  chat 00:58, 21 October 2010 (UTC)
 * I know of no better way to see "significant coverage" then from a Google search... C T J F 8 3  chat 01:03, 21 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Ok, I guess AfD is the better way to go then SD. C T J F 8 3  chat 01:13, 21 October 2010 (UTC)

Template:SharedIPGOV/Sandbox
Could you tell me why Template:SharedIPGOV/Sandbox needs to be kept, please? --Bsherr (talk) 01:51, 21 October 2010 (UTC)

Mutter (window manager)
The article marked as speedy deletion and deleted. I would like to create the article with the following content. You kindly review the content and if it is ok then kindly create the article. =Article Mutter=

Mutter is a window manager used in Gnome like desktop environments. It support OpenGL also. It uses A display engine called Clutter toolkit. Mutter window manager can be used as standalone windowmanager applicaiton for gnome like desktops. Mutter will be the primary window manager for Gnome shell desktop, which is an integral part of Gnome 3.0 release. Mutter is extensible with plugins. And mutter support lot of visual effects.

Thanks--Ranjith S 09:31, 21 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Mutter is the core window manager of Gnome 3.0 and Gnome Shell Desktop Environment. Gnome 3.0 is the majour release of Gnome. So I think that is important to be included in wikipedia. If you think that this is not an important information then leave it. If you review the [gnome] article with the new release and features then it will be automatically include. Looking forward for positive action. Regards --Neon - Ranjith Siji 15:16, 23 October 2010 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Neon (talk • contribs)

Appley Municipal Election 2010 & Appley Municipal Election 2011
I am missing how these are not nonsense? Is there some back story missing that even Google cannot find? -- &#124;  Uncle Milty  &#124;  talk  &#124;  12:00, 21 October 2010 (UTC)

Maldives Traveller
Hello, I think you deleted our Maldives Traveller page within minutes of us requesting for you to give us some time to edit it so that it fits with Wikipedia rules (??!) As we said, we're really sorry and never intended to make it sound like an advert, it was supposed to be an information page. Could you possibly reinstate it if we change the text sufficiently? So sorry about breaking any rules, it was unintentional of course as we wouldn't put all that effort in if we thought it was going to get deleted. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mindymcconnell (talk • contribs)

The Whiskey Drifters
Curious as to why this was deleted? All content is confirmed by numerous news sources, including, the Akron Beacon's Journal's front page Business story real here: http://www.ohio.com/news/top_stories/47115667.html. Thanks! —Preceding unsigned comment added by Maltier (talk • contribs) 15:24, 21 October 2010 (UTC)

Wikipedia at IU-Bloomington
We are actually having a "How to teach with Wikipedia" event on Monday from 10-11 in Wells 305W, if you would like to come to that. Awadewit (talk) 01:47, 22 October 2010 (UTC)

D & H canal
I checked GNIS but it only lists coords in New York state. Could you use the coordinates of Honesdale, Pennsylvania in Wayne County and either Lackawaxen, Pennsylvania or Roebling's Delaware Aqueduct in Pike County? Ruhrfisch &gt;&lt;&gt; &deg; &deg; 03:57, 22 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Looking at Google Earth, the eastern end of the Roebling bridge is at 41 deg 28 min 55.80 sec N and 74 deg 59 min 08 sec W. Does that work for you for Pike County? About to call it a night, will look more tomorrow. Ruhrfisch &gt;&lt;&gt; &deg; &deg; 04:07, 22 October 2010 (UTC)
 * I looked at the whole length of the river from Honesdale to the Delaware and could not see anything that seemed to me like it was defintely from the canal. I did find the coordinates for the terminus in Honesdale as there is a PHMC Historical Marker there - see here. The coords are "LNG: -75.25555, LAT: 41.57222". Since the other terminus in Pennsylvania was the aqueduct and the coordinates I gave for that are from the eastern end in PA, I think that gives you two coords, one for each county. Does that work? Ruhrfisch &gt;&lt;&gt; &deg; &deg; 01:12, 23 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Glad to help. This 1939 aerial view of the river just southeast of Honesdale seems to show some traces of the canal. The pic is from http://www.pennpilot.psu.edu/ Ruhrfisch &gt;&lt;&gt; &deg; &deg; 01:34, 23 October 2010 (UTC)

File:Wizards of waverly season 4 logo.png
Regarding your edit summary, "No claim of a free license", that's a fault/limitation of the template. It doesn't negate the fact that the image is a blatant copyvio for the reasons stated. ie "Image contains Disney copyright symbol and copyrighted Disney logo". The uploader states "I (Mazzooo (talk)) created this work entirely by myself" which obviously cannot be true. --AussieLegend (talk) 11:15, 22 October 2010 (UTC)

Winton Place Methodist Episcopal Church
Thanks for the heads up.Greg Hume (talk) 22:56, 22 October 2010 (UTC)

DYK for Saxony Apartment Building
 — Rlevse</b> • Talk  • 18:02, 23 October 2010 (UTC)

DYK for Winton Place Methodist Episcopal Church
<span style="font-family:Verdana,sans-serif"> — <b style="color:#060;">Rlevse</b> • Talk  • 12:02, 24 October 2010 (UTC)

Use your head
Before you assume my information is incorrect, why don't you do the research for yourself.

For Pike township, read up on township's history. This is an official source, straight from the government's historical society and government trustees. For North Industry, you can follow that it is part of Canton Township, which if you read that article, you will find all students of that township all attend the Canton Local School District. If that's still not enough proof to fit your linear line of thinking around, let's look at a map. There was even at one time a school in Canton Local named North Industry School.

You can continue to edit parts of Ohio and I will stick to the small area my family has lived in for over 200 years. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Blaher (talk • contribs) 15:20, 24 October 2010 (UTC)

DYK for George B. Cox House
<span style="font-family:Verdana,sans-serif"> — <b style="color:#060;">Rlevse</b> • Talk  • 00:03, 25 October 2010 (UTC) Coincidentally, the George B. Cox House is my image. The image of Winton Place Methodist Episcopal Church was the featured DYK image earlier today. Greg Hume (talk) 01:50, 25 October 2010 (UTC) No, no confusion. I appreciate the image lead on 10/24. I just noted that the George Cox house was also on the main page basically on the same day. Something of a coincidence for me since I don't think my images/articles have been on the main page until today. Greg Hume (talk) 02:10, 25 October 2010 (UTC)

DYK for Eighteen Mile House
The DYK project (nominate) 06:02, 25 October 2010 (UTC)

Guy Manning Charlestown IMAGE Deletion?
Why has the cover art image been removed? Charlestown-Cover.jpg The details added for it were the same as the other previous 10 album covers? —Preceding unsigned comment added by GuyManning (talk • contribs) 06:55, 25 October 2010 (UTC)

Alexander Dobbin House
I should be able to take the photo reasonably soon. No firm promises however. Smallbones (talk) 00:14, 26 October 2010 (UTC)

RE: Template:Orange County, California
Since the user in question that prompted Requests for arbitration/Ericsaindon2, and the subsequent protections, has been community banned, feel free to unprotect it. Thanks. Zzyzx11 (talk) 02:28, 26 October 2010 (UTC)

DYK for Lindy, Nebraska
<span style="font-family:Verdana,sans-serif"> — <b style="color:#060;">Rlevse</b> • Talk  • 12:03, 26 October 2010 (UTC)

Adolph Boesel House
Hello. I have now cited an article from the St. Marys Evening Leader that shows the house being moved in 1986. I have emailed the state historical society about its incorrectly listing the house as destroyed. (I grew up in this house and know its history personally, and I was just in the house last month.) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Rabehouse (talk • contribs) 01:52, 27 October 2010 (UTC)

WP:AN and Starzynka
I noticed that you edited the comments after the discussion had been closed. The collapse box clearly said that "The following discussion has been closed. Please do not modify it." Is it not a bit bad form to edit archived discussions? — Fly by Night  ( talk )  20:26, 30 October 2010 (UTC)

Talkback

 * Ping.  Acroterion  (talk)  01:18, 31 October 2010 (UTC)

deletion
please bring my article user page:manager0916 or the philippine information help, I'am the creator of the page and is in need of that page right now.Manager0916 (talk) 12:19, 31 October 2010 (UTC)
 * I can respond to that (I tried to nominate the same page for deletion, but it was already done). Please talk a read of WP:NOTWEBHOST. Wikipedia (both article space and your user page) are not a web host--you cannot use any part of Wikipedia to keep personal information about yourself or business your are involved in. There are many other internet sites, even free ones, that do allow this.  Wikipedia articlespace is for  encyclopedic level articles about notable subjects; userpages are only to provide very brief information about yourself and to provide info about your activities on Wikipedia.  Qwyrxian (talk) 12:21, 31 October 2010 (UTC)

Habib ur Rehman Kapoorthalwi
This article didn't assert that the subject was a prime minister of a state - it said "S/O" (son of) a state prime minister. As far as I can tell from the (unsourced) article, Habib was no more than a local magistrate. NawlinWiki (talk) 12:27, 31 October 2010 (UTC)

New Page
okay, if the contents of my article is not appropriate in wikipedia i will just make a much appropriate one, thanks for the notice.Manager0916 (talk) 12:29, 31 October 2010 (UTC)


 * I will be careful for now on, on what information i will be putting in my userpage, thanks again.Manager0916 (talk) 12:32, 31 October 2010 (UTC)

University of Zagreb Faculty of Mining, Geology and Petroleum Engineering
Why did I bother to improve Wikipedia by making article with above title when you deleted it without reason? The only sentence which describes the subject is properly referenced by reliable source. Moreover, please see similar articles, like, for example, University of Zagreb Faculty of Geodesy, which is rated as a Start-Class on a project WikiProject Croatia (without references). Providing the basic info on my institution should not be discouraged, but, on the contrary, sfhould be encouraged like similar articles. Like I said on talk page of the user article, it will grow, because other colleagues will participate once the article is in the main space. Bjankov (talk) 17:33, 31 October 2010 (UTC)

Hartford City Courthouse Square Historic District
Hartford City Courthouse Square Historic District is up. Any suggestions for improvement are welcome -- they would also prevent me from making the same mistakes again. I will probably get to the Montpelier Carnegie Library -- thanks for the link, but the Blackford County Courthouse and some of the small towns in Blackford County are ahead in line.TwoScars (talk) 19:10, 31 October 2010 (UTC)

Articles for deletion/Colombo Street
Hi Nyttend - I've done some extension of the article. The street is definitely one of the most notable streets in New Zealand, but unfortunately I have little reference material about Christchurch. Hopefully what i've done will be enough for you to have some second thoughts, though... Grutness... wha?   09:25, 3 November 2010 (UTC)

Hospitals and Notability
A question about notability - is it widely held that all hospitals meet notability requirements for Wikipedia, even if the article makes no claim other than the hospital exists? Thanks -- N D Steve 10 ( talk ) 17:23, 4 November 2010 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the clarification, after rereading the policy I agree with your assessment. I appreciate the quick response. -- N D Steve 10 ( talk ) 05:48, 5 November 2010 (UTC)

Merge discussion for Gravel Ridge, Arkansas
An article that you have been involved in editing, Gravel Ridge, Arkansas, has been proposed for a merge with another article. If you are interested in the merge discussion, please participate by going, and adding your comments on the discussion page. Thank you. --ARTEST4ECHO (talk 17:15, 5 November 2010 (UTC)

DYK for Blair-Dunning House
-- Cirt (talk) 06:02, 7 November 2010 (UTC)

Greersburg Academy
Nyttend, I undid the recent edit you made to the Greersburg Academy page by removing the link to the NRHP sites. Why doesn't that link help? You can't even access the National Register Information System anymore because it's a dead link, at least it is for me. When I made the page, I took the time to compare the two sites (when the NRIS was still functioning) and both had the same, accurate information. I wish you would clarify why you delete things in the future, especially ones that give accurate info. Mvincec (talk) 00:30, 8 November 2010 (UTC)
 * Nyttend, would you kindly start listening to what people are saying at Requests for comment/Nyttend? The entire reason there is an ongoing RfC on your behavior is due to the fact that you are acting arbitrarily, against consensus, and without good reason.  Reality check: sysop status does not place you above our policies and guidelines. I'll say it again, please slow down and take the time to check that what you're doing is within policy!  - F ASTILY  (T ALK ) 00:38, 8 November 2010 (UTC)

TPS Talkback
--kelapstick(bainuu) 04:48, 11 November 2010 (UTC)

Enter CBW, waits for audience applause, not a sausage. 06:18, 11 November 2010 (UTC)

Johnson County Courthouse (Nebraska)
Ouch. Thanks for catching my error&mdash;I thought I'd proofread more carefully. Ammodramus (talk) 17:41, 12 November 2010 (UTC)


 * I've found that a lot of dead links to newspaper stories are the result of the paper's reconfiguring its website&mdash;the story's still in there, but its URL has been changed. A link to the paper's main page makes it easier for the interested reader to search the archive and try to find the lost story.


 * This doesn't just apply to newspapers. When I cite an article at, for example, the Nebraska State Historical Society's website, I follow the article-specific link with one to the NSHS's main page.


 * --Ammodramus (talk) 18:08, 12 November 2010 (UTC)

Transcription error?
I found the DYK hook interesting enough to look at 1950–51 Ashes series, but the quote from Fingleton in the "Result" section makes me wonder if you made a transcription error. Does the source really say "Old women of both sexes"? Nyttend (talk) 23:22, 12 November 2010 (UTC)

Yes that is the phase, I can scan the page for you if you like. In England (and Australia) an "Old Woman" is someone who worries too much. While initially referred just to old women it came to mean anyone. So by saying "Old women of both sexes" Fingleton was pointing out that it wasn't old women who were worrying about this but the "Old Women" in politics and the press. Actually, "Old women of both sexes" became a common phase in the 1950s-1980s, and is refered to in Yes, Minister, joking about the number of old men in the cabinet - even though most of them were "Old Women". Philipjelley (talk) 09:48, 13 November 2010 (UTC)

Printed local histories?
I'm sure that there are such printed histories, although I haven't used them myself. Many counties and towns in Nebraska have centennial histories or the like; but I suspect that most of them are out of print, were produced in very small numbers, and can now only be found locally or at the Nebraska State Historical Society.

You might find it worth checking the historic-buildings surveys conducted by the NSHS for the two counties: Nuckolls and Webster. Each of these includes a brief history of the county and of the towns in it (an invaluable resource, if you're trying to find something online about, say, Tamora, Nebraska); and after the histories, there're lists of references. In there, I find The Wonderful Years: A History of Nuckolls County, Nebraska, 1871-1971. It was published by the Superior Express, so was probably only available locally. There's also a Webster County: Visions of the Past by Mabel Cooper-Skjelver; a quick check shows that Amazon will sell you a copy, if you've got $185 burning a hole in your pocket.

Apart from that, I can't suggest much. For what it's worth, you might be able to find something about Webster County in works dealing with Willa Cather, who grew up in Red Cloud.

Is this a long-term project? I don't anticipate being in either county in the very near future, but I'd be glad to look in the local libraries the next time I find myself in that part of the state.

--Ammodramus (talk) 01:24, 14 November 2010 (UTC)


 * Just re-read the entire sequence of messages, and caught something I'd missed in your first one: Wahoo is in Saunders County, not Dodge County. Just in case it makes a difference...  Ammodramus (talk) 23:53, 14 November 2010 (UTC)

DYK for Charles A. Miller House
Orlady (talk) 18:02, 14 November 2010 (UTC)

Lee County, MS Carnation Milk Factory NRHP listing?
Hi NYT ... I just added a new listing to the Lee County, MS NRHP list (the R. C. Clark House) and noticed that you removed the Carnation Milk Plant with these edits on 10/5/2009. It was listed 8/20/2009. Was that deletion an error on your part or do you have some kind of documentation of the site's removal from the NRHP? I'm guessing that you didn't mean to remove it, but thought I'd check with you first before restoring it. --sanfranman59 (talk) 06:45, 16 November 2010 (UTC)

Linn County Iowa
Your comment (It was longer until you removed it; linkrot isn't a suitable reason to remove a reference or content based thereon) I am a Wiki editor newbie, being at it less than a month and did not know I was stepping on anybody's toes. I have no plans on getting into an edit war and will leave your revert at Linn County, Iowa alone. But I feel the need to point out the only thing I removed was a nonfunctioning reference web link, personally the more 404 error messages we can get rid of the better. I added the Expand section template as a place marker for myself as I plan on going back to find a usable reference and expand the subject. You may or may not noticed the 2 External links I added about the history of Linn County. Both should stay on the web indefinitely as they are scanned books from the Library of Congress, not subject to the whims of the county website designer who obviously must of deleted the page the reference was linked to (no fault of yours, mine or Wiki). If you want to be productive, please find a cite worthy reference or even better expand the section from the history sources provided, I would appreciate it. FYI I live in Linn County.  Rife Ideas   Talk   19:37, 16 November 2010 (UTC)
 * Gee thanks for the speedy answer. and thanks for reverting the revert. Knowing you are from Ohio and this is Iowa I understand about you not knowing about available sources. As stated above I did add two very good web based sources to the External links part of that page so feel free to help. Otherwise this should be the end of this discussion. Again thanks  Rife Ideas   Talk   20:21, 16 November 2010 (UTC)

Another Iowa county
This is the second time I have edited a Iowa county and again the second time you have made changes to my edit. I find it interesting that although you are taking your wikibreak you find time to change one of my edits. I agree with you my first External link entry for Ringgold County, Iowa  IAGenWeb Project History, information and more for Ringgold County  had two words of extraneous information. Although IMO your change to  http://iagenweb.org/ringgold Ringgold County history and information]  did not follow MOS per Manual of Style (18.2 External links) which states External links should identify the link and briefly indicate its relevance to the article subject.. That is why I changed the entry to '' http://iagenweb.org/ringgold/ IAGenWeb Project] History and information for Ringgold County. '' with the edit summary clearly stating (per MOS "External links should IDENTIFY THE LINK and briefly summarize the website's contents") which I thought stated my reasons clearly and expected you not to change the wording. I just seen you still insisted on reediting it back to  http://iagenweb.org/ringgold Ringgold County history and information]  exactly your previous wording, not using an undo (why I wonder). Your edit summary (That's what this does; we don't need lots of extraneous information) does not convince me. After all of this explanation I am asking you to tell me what is the reasoning for your actions, and the reason why you insist on not identifying the link, maybe you can convince me. I can see as time progresses I will be making changes to other Iowa counties and hope this is not going to turn into a territorial dispute.  Rife Ideas   Talk   18:43, 29 November 2010 (UTC)

A third Iowa County
In my editing of another article when I followed the link to Jackson County, Iowa I came across an in article external link used as a reference in the sub sub-section called Ghost towns. I was going to rectify the situation but when I clicked the link I seen it was another IaGenWeb site. Now I think this is a perfectly legitimate source but you called it dubious in your response to Ringgold County, Iowa. In the Ringgold County situation I decided that the difference of opinion between you and me was not enough to engage in any edit war so I let it be even though I still think you are incorrect not to cite the source per my reasons stated before. However I value the work you have done and the patrolling of counties in a state in which you do not live in. Therefore I am bringing this edit gaff to your attention so you can handle it as you see best. If you have time I would appreciate a synopsis of your solution as I am still learning. FYI since I started 10/23/2010 I have 824 total and 675 Article edits with an average of 6 edits per page of which I estimate 85% is new information and 15% is enhancing or correcting others work, none by bot. I concentrate on cities and politicians both deceased and living of Iowa, with a few others thrown in for variety.  Rife Ideas   Talk   20:33, 3 December 2010 (UTC)

Talk back
Enter CBW, waits for audience applause, not a sausage. 22:32, 17 November 2010 (UTC)

Deletion of Vincci article
"12:45, 31 October 2010 Nyttend (talk | contribs) deleted "Vincci" (A7: Article about a company, corporation, organization, or group, which does not indicate the importance or significance of the subject)"

The article deleted pertained to a multinational retailing company. Its multinational status further substantiated by the references listed which proved its multinational status. Its parent company is listed via share market and has a wikipage. So if so, i would like to ascertain "not indicate importance or significance of subject?" and nominated for speedy deletion. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Fookjian95 (talk • contribs) 15:16, 18 November 2010 (UTC)

TCMI Project
Hello! While I know that you weren't able to attend the Backstage Pass, I wanted to pass along some resources and links from the day. You can see that images from the day are being added to the Children's Museum of Indianapolis category in Commons. Note that there is a separate category of images of us from the day (rather than objects). We also received a little press on both the Children's Museum blog: The Wikipedians are Coming! and the Wikipedia Signpost had the event as their lead story last week. I will be continuing to work on organizing TCMI research content and moving forward with the content donation in the coming months. I will probably have an announcement about the content donation sometime around February, and I could certainly use your help in spreading the word at that point. In the meantime, do let me know on the project requests page if you are interested in working on a TCMI-related article and would like to be connected with a curator. Thanks! HstryQT (talk) 20:22, 18 November 2010 (UTC)

Dobbin Gettysburg
I almost turned back home when the rain started, but it was over in 15 minutes. All the best. Smallbones (talk) 03:33, 19 November 2010 (UTC)

File:Dobbin Gettysburg 2.JPG might be a better pix. Overall, I'm disappointed in the quality of these. Maybe I'll get back there sometime. Smallbones (talk) 00:20, 20 November 2010 (UTC)

BTW see Media_copyright_questions. Smallbones (talk) 00:50, 20 November 2010 (UTC)

It doesn't really answer your question at Media_copyright_questions but I noticed that there is a pd template for WPA photos, artwork. I would have liked to see somebody react + or - to the Stanford database on copyright renewals - if we accept this then lots of formerly copyrighted info opens up as PD. Happy Thanksgiving. Smallbones (talk) 04:36, 25 November 2010 (UTC)

List of places in Tasmania by population
Could you please userfy a copy of the pre-deletion version of List of places in Tasmania by population for me? There are 105 UC/Ls in Tasmania and the previous version missed over 80% (85) of them. This new version is still missing over 75% (79) of them. There has been no addition of references for any of the places mentioned (the sole reference is only a generic reference to census data) and the article still suffers all of the problems listed at the AfD. Addition of 6 unreferenced entries doesn't seem to be a substantial change to me, but I'd like to review the old version before sending it to AfD again. --AussieLegend (talk) 23:17, 22 November 2010 (UTC)
 * Thanks for that. The article is now back at AfD. --AussieLegend (talk) 04:26, 23 November 2010 (UTC)

DYK nomination of Armstrong Chapel United Methodist Church
Hello! Your submission of Armstrong Chapel United Methodist Church at the Did You Know nominations page has been reviewed, and there still are some issues that may need to be clarified. Please review the comment(s) underneath your nomination's entry and respond there as soon as possible. Thank you for contributing to Did You Know! Yoninah (talk) 00:43, 24 November 2010 (UTC)

Image link update
Nyttend, when you delete a file bacuse it exists on Commons with another name, could you please update any links to the deleted file? The result of your deletion is otherwise that a perfectly acceptable image suddenly is missing from an article. This happened at Jean François Carteaux when you deleted File:Carteaux, Jean François.jpg but the Commons file is File:Général Jean Baptiste François Carteaux.jpg. Fram (talk) 12:59, 24 November 2010 (UTC)
 * No problem, I fixed it yesterday, I just didn't know if it was a oneoff error or not, and if you were aware of this issue. Fram (talk) 07:41, 25 November 2010 (UTC)

Re: Wikibin
I replied to your message on my talk page at User talk:Cunard. Cunard (talk) 22:57, 24 November 2010 (UTC)

CFD's via bot
I would appreciate some comment here ( talk→  BWilkins   ←track ) 10:23, 25 November 2010 (UTC)

DYK for Armstrong Chapel United Methodist Church
Materialscientist (talk) 06:03, 26 November 2010 (UTC)

DYK for Nast Trinity United Methodist Church
Materialscientist (talk) 12:02, 26 November 2010 (UTC)

Thanks for the feedback.
Thanks for the feedback. I was probably trying to get through the list to fast. In any case User:Dthomsen8 has rated the article as C and I've reviewed the class criteria. Now back to work!. Smallbones (talk) 22:22, 27 November 2010 (UTC)

Architecture categories by year
Yep, they may or may not be populated but architecture by year is somewhat ambiguous. Concept or design, or finalized design all or which are frequently hard to put an actual date on. There there is the year a building was completed in. Clearly the year a building is completed in is much easier to define and has an unambiguous category name. Vegaswikian (talk) 06:10, 30 November 2010 (UTC)
 * I did not nominate the 1802 category since the articles about buildings that were completed in a given year are being moved to that category yet. One of the parents for that new category is the architecture by year category. So all of these remain in the current tree.  The reason this is not finished is that I'm doing this manually so it will take a while.  A few other users are creating these categories and populating them.  So this will happen slowly over time.  Automation here is risky since the contents in these categories are not reliable.  As an example, why is a building that began construction in, for example, 2001, finished construction in 2005 listed in architecture for 2003?  Each article needs to be looked at to see it the year used is correct.  That is but one of several anomalies you can find going through these categories. Vegaswikian (talk) 16:47, 30 November 2010 (UTC)

about a deleted Ohio NRHP article
Hi Nyttend, i wonder if you could look at the deleted version of William B. Harris House, apparently deleted by editor Herostratus back in 2007, with no reason apparent in what i can see from the outside. Or, i guess the reason was "no context" i.e. an application of "db-nocontext". The article apparently started "Constructed in 1863, the William B. Harris House is an excellent example of Gothic Revival architecture for the period...." which sounds entirely reasonable as a start to an NRHP article, to me. It's an NRHP-listed house in Zanesville, Ohio and i know u've been doing a lot with NRHP in Ohio recently. I came across its having been deleted just in the process of my tidying up Harris House disambiguation page. I haven't checked whether Herostratus is currently active. Could you just restore it? Thanks, --doncram (talk) 14:06, 3 December 2010 (UTC)
 * Talkpage stalker opinion: "Constructed in 1863, the William B. Harris House is an excellent example of Gothic Revival architecture for the period" was the entire content, apart from an image. No infobox, no indication of notability, NRHP status or context.   Acroterion  (talk)  14:23, 3 December 2010 (UTC)
 * I've restored it and tidied it up a little bit.  Acroterion  (talk)  14:35, 3 December 2010 (UTC)
 * Hey lurker: Thanks!  And I didn't realize there was a photo available for it.  Unfortunately the Ohio department database contains little more than NRIS. --doncram (talk) 16:38, 3 December 2010 (UTC)

owner objections
I noticed you removed 2 entries from National Register of Historic Places listings in Poughkeepsie, New York with note that those were not actually NRHP-listed due to owner-objection, which i just now restored to a separate section. Then i notice you are making similar changes in other list-articles. Can you please explain what is your source for this / how you are detecting these?

And to consider moving those to a lower section as i did on Poughkeepsie. I assume you have good info and agree that any not finally NRHP-listed should be shown properly. I think there's room for disagreement, though, about whether these are NRHP-related well enough to be included on the list-article pages, like properties actually demolished and delisted are. Would you participate in a discussion on that at, say, wt:NRHP, if you do not agree? --doncram (talk) 21:09, 4 December 2010 (UTC)
 * I do assume you have some good info, but some more needs to be done than just deleting the entries from the NRHP list-articles. For example the Church Building article in Poughkeepsie states flatly: "The building was added to the National Register of Historic Places in 1982."  Even if it is just temporary, moving the items to a separate section could be useful in helping editors consider whatever is your source, and to address and update those articles.  Maybe you are onto something big, i wonder. :) --doncram (talk) 21:17, 4 December 2010 (UTC)

Gartner site
 He  iro  02:36, 8 December 2010 (UTC)

Andover, Kansas
Why did you add Sedgwick County back to Andover? When did Andover migrate into Sedgwick county? If I am wrong, then please provide evidence. I guess that we could call the city and ask them :-)

Their city website says "10 square mile City in Western Butler County": http://www.andoverks.com/

Their map shows the word "county line" in the lower-left corner of this file: http://www.andoverks.com/DocumentView.asp?DID=491

Sbmeirow (talk) 07:41, 8 December 2010 (UTC)


 * I sent an email to City Of Andover. See my User talk for a copy of the email. The city proper is NOT located in sedgwick county. Sbmeirow (talk) 14:50, 8 December 2010 (UTC)


 * Unlike official Census Bureau documents, emails are not reliable sources — unless the Census Bureau changes the information on its statistical charts, we must follow what it says, for our relevant policy page requires our articles to be based on reliable sources. Nyttend (talk) 9:12 am, Today (UTC−6)


 * So are you saying the U.S. government never makes a mistake, and the Andover City Administrator is not reliable? You can send an email just like I did, or call this person at the City of Andover. Sbmeirow (talk) 16:17, 8 December 2010 (UTC)


 * (talk page stalker) If the City administrator were to have that information published in a reliable source, then we could include it on Wikipedia. We're not saying the Administrator is not reliable, it's that the email can't verify the information because it doesn't qualify as a reliable source.  While we want to be as correct as possible in WP articles, we are more concerned with readers being able to reliably verify statements.  While, yes, you or I could contact the City of Andover, we can't write in the article "(please contact the Andover City Administrator to confirm this information)".  Qwyrxian (talk) 21:42, 8 December 2010 (UTC)


 * The above Andover links state only the word Butler County, but no references about Sedgwick county. The following Sedgwick county web page doesn't list Andover as part of their county on the right side of the page. http://www.sedgwickcounty.org/visitors.asp The following Andover document clearly talks about not being able to cover Sedgwick county in the study, because the city is not located in that county. See page 11, section called "legal basis" of http://www.andoverks.com/common/modules/documentcenter2/documentview.asp?DID=33 Andover is not claiming to be part of Sedgwick county, nor is Sedgwick county claiming that Andover is part of it, thus it is pretty darn obvious the census document is wrong. Sbmeirow (talk) 07:03, 9 December 2010 (UTC)

Coperico
could you please tell me why the article Copernico was deleted - I understand because of copyright issues; however, i am unsure exactly what the issue was? Username: Krain Court Krain Court (talk) 09.49, 9 December 2010 (UTC)

Please be aware that FactFinder is changing
Please be aware that U.S. Census Bureau FactFinder is changing. See the following links, in reverse order. Sbmeirow (talk) 07:23, 12 December 2010 (UTC)
 * 1) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Help_desk#Whom_should_be_notified_of_potential_breaking_of_mass_numbers_of_FactFinder_references
 * 2) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:United_States_Census_Bureau#New_FactFinder_Might_Break_Links_In_Wikipedia.3F
 * 3) http://factfinder.census.gov/home/saff/aff2.html


 * See new info at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:United_States_Census_Bureau#New_FactFinder_Might_Break_Links_In_Wikipedia.3F • Sbmeirow  •  Talk  •  13:42, 20 December 2010 (UTC)

Liu, 1936 Nobel peace prize
You've linked to the wrong person here. The last person that was awarded the Nobel Peace Prize in absentia was Carl von Ossietzky, the 1935 winner. Back then, the awards were handed out the next year, which is why Liu is the first since 1936. —bender235 (talk) 14:05, 17 December 2010 (UTC)
 * Oops; sorry. I noticed that the 1936 winner's article didn't say anything about him getting it in absentia, and it didn't mention anything about difficulties that he might have had (e.g. an oppressive government, or health problems) that could have kept him from getting it personally; however, I had no idea that I was wrong there.  Thanks for helping to get it fixed.  Nyttend (talk) 22:55, 17 December 2010 (UTC)
 * No problem. —bender235 (talk) 23:16, 17 December 2010 (UTC)

Merry Christmas and A Happy New Year
It is my pleasure to thank you for all your excellent work on Wikipedia, including (of course) the huge job of creating thousands of templates for all (or almost all) U.S. counties.

At the same token, in this marvelous part of the year, it is again my pleasure to address to you and all your dear ones the "Merry Christmas" and the "Happy New Year" traditional good wishes. Yours, Wars (talk) 17:31, 17 December 2010 (UTC)

New listings in Summit County
Happy to pitch in on new listings near my old stomping grounds. I just wish I'd known you were on the job since you added the Summit listings while I was in the middle of working on them. That's a half-hour of my life I'll never get back! I'm afraid I don't get the reference to milk plants. What did that mean? --sanfranman59 (talk) 21:50, 19 December 2010 (UTC)
 * DOH! Are you working on any of the other new listings announced this week? I don't want to duplicate effort with you. --sanfranman59 (talk) 21:54, 19 December 2010 (UTC)
 * Happy holidays to you and yours. --sanfranman59 (talk) 21:57, 19 December 2010 (UTC)

Edit summary reply
Please see the note I left at Talk:Franklin Township, Portage County, Ohio. As for Beligium, it depends. Would you use 1776 as the year the United States was established? Most of us do out of tradition, but it's not when independence was recognized nor was it when any type of national government was established, nor even when it was settled by the primary group. How about 1783? 1789? The point is, "established" can be rather ambiguous, especially in cases like this where the various stages of development were established at very different times. What exactly was established? From my experience, most cities do not use the formation of a government (incorporation) as the date they were established; most I've seen use when it was first settled; the formal establishment of a local government followed. "Franklin Township" as a location and political division of a county was long in existence before the township government was formally voted on and organized (for instance, the original settlers of what is now Kent came to what was already known as "Franklin" in 1805; the first name for Kent was "Franklin Mills", and the original 1808 town plat for Ravenna is listed as being in "Franklin Township, Trumbull County"); that's why I objected to using just the 1815 year. --JonRidinger (talk) 07:17, 25 December 2010 (UTC)

Marion County, Kansas
I've been aware of some "Further Reading" issues and was going to ask you after Christmas, but your change kind of pushed the point that I need to say something now.

After you moved the "Reference" section below the "Further Reading" section, the ugly wikipedia warning message about references came up at the bottom of the page. I had references after some of the books. though I have not had a change to back convert the article to reference these books yet. I did a quick fix by substituting individual book lines from User:Sbmeirow/Books eBook page that I've been working on during the last week. I've been working up to doing an overhaul of my book references in my city articles.

The following falls under "BE BOLD" for me.

I'm not sure how to do this cleanly, but I would like to see references added to all the books in the "Further Reading" section, so we then can use them as official references up in the body of the article. The old way of doing things is a big mess: a person would describe each book using a reference higher up in the article, then the books would randomly fall into the middle of a bunch of other ones in the "Reference" section. I know this is the way Wikipedia does things, but this is kind of stupid, since the book references aren't all grouped together. Conceptually, it would make far more sense to put all the books together in some section, add references to them, and then use these references back unp in the article. The easiest solution would be to move the "Further Reading" section above the "References" section, but maybe there is another solution?

I'm not sure how the wikipedia group as a whole feels about it, but I would like to see books in "Further Reading", that are available 100% online, to have external links so wiki authors or readers can EASILY read the book online or download it. Since copyright law states that all books older than 1923 aren't copyrighted, we are seeing mountains of historical books digitized and put online, which provide excellent reference material for large numbers of Wikipedia articles.

Another thought would be to create book templates for each county and state, so they could easily be dropped in each city article. I'm not sure if this would even work, since I've never edited a template. Each of the city articles in Marion County have a common set of books, but then 1 or 2 unique ones added for the city.

I'm asking you or anyone else that is reading this to please think of a better way to do the "Further Reading" so we can make better use of online digitized historical books as references in articles!

I need to say more, but I'm very busy because of the holiday weekend. Please chat more before making edits to my "Further Reading" section. I have a watch on your talk page, so you don't need to put anything on my talk page.

Happy Holidays! • Sbmeirow  •  Talk  •  13:35, 25 December 2010 (UTC)


 * Thanks for the reply. I'll come back tonight and clarify. • Sbmeirow  •  Talk  •  14:49, 25 December 2010 (UTC)

DYK for Harvey Wells House
Season's Greetings! --The DYK project (nominate) 12:04, 26 December 2010 (UTC)

Camden, Ohio
I apologize if this is in an incorrect section. You recently removed a section I posted in Camden, Ohio about the water crisis there, saying it was written like a newspaper, instead of an encyclopedia. This is a big event for Camden, and I would argue that it is one of the biggest events they've had in their history; it will forever change the scope of Camden and its government. Can you please explain to me how I can fix that segment to have it included in the article? Thanks. StoppingStupidity (talk) 06:14, 27 December 2010 (UTC)StoppingStupidity

Bellaire, Ohio
Hi Nyttend. Regarding this edit, quoting from WP:NLIST: "every entry in any such list requires a reliable source attesting to the fact that the named person is a member of the listed group." Is there any reason this policy does not apply to Bellaire, Ohio? Am I missing some special case here? Best regards and happy holidays. --Muhandes (talk) 11:13, 27 December 2010 (UTC)
 * Answer to "am I missing..." is yes — standard practice for notable-natives-and-residents sections is to base it on information in the residents' articles. Nyttend (talk) 14:03, 27 December 2010 (UTC)
 * I don't understand this so called "standard practice". I approach you since you seem experienced so maybe you can explain this to me. Adding someone to a list is claiming something about them. If one claims something about someone one needs a source. Wikipedia itself is not considered a reliable source. So how can an article about someone be considered sufficient? Just to show the fallacy of this practice, the article for Joey Galloway does not bring a source for him being born in Bellaire, nor do the articles for Brickyard Kennedy, Ted Levine, Lance Mehl, Andy Dorris or Ben Taylor (American football). So what this practice amounts to is that one can claim something about a living person, without a source, and say that since the article about the person says it, then it's OK, even though the article itself is completely unsourced, and might in fact be false. Isn't that EXACTLY why the policy exists, to ensure that claims are sourced in the place they are made? Also, shouldn't this practice, which is an exception to the policy, be reached by consensus and added to the policy itself? --Muhandes (talk) 20:11, 27 December 2010 (UTC)
 * Then remove these elements from their articles. Standard practice is a demonstration that consensus already exists about the issue; composing these sections in this way has been done for several years by pretty much everyone who works with US community articles, so it's not as if I'm making it up or doing it in a way done by everyone else.  Nyttend (talk) 01:06, 28 December 2010 (UTC)
 * It may be standard practice, but it won't survive FAC without a source in the city article for each notable native mentioned. I had to deal with that getting the Kent, Ohio article through FAC.  Every name on the list in the city article, including Kent State University alumni, had to have a source.  The reasoning was that each article needs to be able to stand on its own in terms of verifiable information and not rely on another article.  So even though every person article was sourced and most of the accompanying list articles were also sourced, that wasn't good enough for the Kent article itself.  --JonRidinger (talk) 05:02, 28 December 2010 (UTC)
 * Yes, and for FAC you have to comply with the constantly-changing MOS as well. Nyttend (talk) 06:27, 28 December 2010 (UTC)
 * Rather than argue this, I added sources where I could, which I think improves the article anyway. I still can't say I understand a practice in which a fact which is not referenced in an article could be used in another article, and when someone challenges for a source the common practice is to put the burden on the challenger. I guess I'll just avoid articles about the US community. --Muhandes (talk) 10:16, 28 December 2010 (UTC)

Can this talk page be deleted?
. I'm assuming not, but I thought I'd ask you. Thanks. Dougweller (talk) 16:05, 27 December 2010 (UTC)
 * Thanks for your help. Dougweller (talk) 06:05, 28 December 2010 (UTC)

DYK for Third Presbyterian Church (Springfield, Ohio)
Orlady (talk) 20:16, 27 December 2010 (UTC)

Grouped References
Please see my REFERENCE section for my home town city of Peabody, Kansas. This is my experiment in using grouped references. There is one book that I didn't migrate to grouped references yet. Please leave ALL comments in chat for Peabody, Kansas article, since I always watch changes to it, instead of trying to track conversations between multiple user chats. I also contacted another person to look at my concept. Please be patient with this "newbie" for trying to "BE BOLD" and try something new. • Sbmeirow  •  Talk  •  01:13, 29 December 2010 (UTC)


 * I left a comment under my user talk/discussion page or what ever it is called :-) BTW, I have to run do something, then will be back in 1 to 2 hours. •  Sbmeirow  •  Talk  •  01:37, 29 December 2010 (UTC)

Nomination of African Americans in Davenport, Iowa for deletion
The article African Americans in Davenport, Iowa is being discussed concerning whether it is suitable for inclusion as an article according to Wikipedia's policies and guidelines or whether it should be deleted.

The article will be discussed at Articles for deletion/African Americans in Davenport, Iowa (2nd nomination) until a consensus is reached, and anyone is welcome to contribute to the discussion. The nomination will explain the policies and guidelines which are of concern. The discussion focuses on good quality evidence, and our policies and guidelines.

Users may edit the article during the discussion, including to improve the article to address concerns raised in the discussion. However, do not remove the article-for-deletion template from the top of the article.

.9 acres and editorial notes
Regarding your inquiry at User talk:Elkman please see User talk:Elkman. It turns out that .9 was used as a code in NRIS to indicate "less than one acre". I noticed this when programming a batches-of-articles generator (still under development, but which I'd be happy to run for you for any county or MPS or other defined set of articles u might plan to work on, see example output linked from Talk:List of RHPs in Grand Forks). Since Elkman has now revised the Elkman generator to avoid that problem in future articles, it would indeed be appropriate now to go back and change existing articles where .9 acres are stated, where in fact "less than 1 acre" should be stated instead. Note there are in fact NRIS-listed places specifically with .4 or other acreage less than 1 acre. It is only articles where acreage is specifically indicated as .9 that need to changed.

This could possibly be fixed everywhere by a bot request or by an editor running AWB. Would you? I know u've had success getting bots run before. Maybe it could be combined with a different bot request.

About editorial notes, I noticed ur edit removing editorial notes in the Washington D.C. NRHP list-article. You're right that the editorial notes should be removed, but could you consider letting me know at my Talk, or moving such notes to an article's Talk page, instead of simply deleting them, in future cases? The notes there were good prompts relating to 3 needed good changes which i just implemented (adding specific discussion of Supreme court building; creating redirect and editing the Marine Barracks and Commandant house article;  pipelinking to Weaver building instead of to general HUD article).

I appreciate that your edit summary gave a hint as to what u were up to, but I don't always notice your edits this way. A few times i have later found u did that when i was addressing some other problem, which woulda been avoided if the ed. note had been left in or moved to Talk or otherwise better resolved. It seems unnecessarily negative/punitive for u to just delete such notes. --Doncram (talk) 15:17, 29 December 2010 (UTC)

Blackford County Courthouse
As info, I have completed the Blackford County Courthouse article. It uses two of your excellent pictures of the courthouse.TwoScars (talk) 15:20, 29 December 2010 (UTC)

Re: Deletion discussions?
You tagged File:Dell Venue Pro.png and File:HTC Trophy.png for G4 speedy deletion, but I can't find any relevant FFDs. Can you provide me with a link to the deletion discussions? Nyttend (talk) 13:47, 31 December 2010 (UTC)
 * No deletion discussions, they were speedy deleted today as "CSD F7: Replaceable fair use image". They were tagged on the 28th, deleted today (31st) and re-uploaded again by User:Illegal Operation Here are the deletion logs . Please note that even though the purpose of use say "To convey a visual concept of the new GUI in Windows Phone 7", the images are used in the HTC 7 Trophy and Dell Venue Pro articles to show the phones, not the software, the Windows Phone 7 article already has screenshots to show the UI. Since the phones are commercially available, a free image that shows the phones can easily be obtained -- Chris Ssk  talk 14:06, 31 December 2010 (UTC)
 * OK, apologies for that, I didn't notice it was only for deletion discussions. is there a speedy deletion method that applies to these or should I re-list them as CSD F7? -- Chris Ssk talk 14:15, 31 December 2010 (UTC)
 * How can they be unreplaceable? They are pictures of phones, 3D utilitarian objects, and they are generally available for sale, so anyone can walk into a store that sells them take a picture and upload it to wikipedia or commons under a free license. -- Chris Ssk talk 14:37, 31 December 2010 (UTC)
 * The software doesn't have to be displayed as these picture are there to show the device, the screen can be turned off, or show on image that is not subject to copyright -- Chris Ssk talk 14:42, 31 December 2010 (UTC)
 * Yes I read the Purpose of use, as I told you in my first comment, even though the purpose of use say "To convey a visual concept of the new GUI in Windows Phone 7", the images are used in the HTC 7 Trophy and Dell Venue Pro articles to show the phones, not the software, the Windows Phone 7 article already has a number of screenshots that help convey the Windows Phone 7 GUI, including this File:Windows Phone 7 Start screen.png -- Chris Ssk talk 14:50, 31 December 2010 (UTC)
 * I listed them as FFD, don't worry, I'm not going to undermine you. You should also however also consider how you undermined the other admin that deemed the images had to be deleted less than 24hour ago, only to have the unloader ignore the decision and re-upload the same images with the same rational a few hours latter. -- Chris Ssk talk 15:46, 31 December 2010 (UTC)