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Obbop
Take a look at his contributions - - he's only here to use us as a forum for his ideas and clearly not to help build the encyclopedia. Out of 241 edits: Article 11 4.56%

Talk 190 78.84%

User 24 9.96%

User talk 11 4.56%

Wikipedia 4 1.66%

Category talk 1 0.41%

Dougweller (talk) 14:28, 10 January 2013 (UTC)
 * Discuss it on his talk page; I've dropped him a warning (not his first) on the topic. -- Orange Mike &#x007C;  Talk  14:39, 10 January 2013 (UTC)


 * Will do. He has a longer history of this than I realised. He signed an IP edit and from the style of the IP,, I'd say he was telling the truth in signing it. Dougweller (talk) 14:41, 10 January 2013 (UTC)

Block that scum Obbop. It is the only recourse. And I sincerely hope your mini-mind obtains immense amounts of pleasure doing so. You buncha' pissants!!!! Love, ObbopObbop (talk) 20:39, 10 January 2013 (UTC)

Yes, it is ...
I usually suck in my breath before going over there (almost) every morning, knowing that it may take me a half hour to clear everything. I almost don't know what to do with myself now.

When was the last time this happened? I think it's been a few months. Daniel Case (talk) 16:24, 11 January 2013 (UTC)
 * It's one of the jobs which most plainly justifies the use of the Mop-and-Bucket as metaphor for this gig. I've had lots of blue-collar folks in my AFSCME local: you don't want to get them going on the "joy" of cleaning up restrooms over and over again, 8 hours a day, 50 weeks a year. -- Orange Mike &#x007C;  Talk  16:28, 11 January 2013 (UTC)

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Constitution Party (United States)
Most if not all of the state party articles need to go to AfD or be redirected. I took one to AfD just now but perhaps I should have just redirected it. Dougweller (talk) 16:36, 13 January 2013 (UTC)

Nomination of Oren Laurent for deletion
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An uninvolved favor
I noticed your recent editing, and respect you sufficiently well to trust your judgement. I want to userfy three pages that I am going to use in drafting an informative fourth essay. Call them User:My76Strat/One, /Two, and /Three if you would; and they would be the one's redirected from WP:SALUTE, WP:IAR., and WP:?IAR. Thank you for considering this request. -- My 76 Strat  (talk) 13:47, 11 January 2013 (UTC)
 * Was this something you considered, or perhaps overlooked? -- My 76 Strat  (talk) 10:44, 13 January 2013 (UTC)
 * Befuddling -- My 76 Strat  (talk) 08:06, 15 January 2013 (UTC)

I've moved the SALUTE one; but the WP:IAR. was just WP:IAR, a redirect; and there doesn't seem to have ever been WP:?IAR as an article. -- Orange Mike |  Talk  08:41, 15 January 2013 (UTC)
 * I noticed where you had problems. I'm sorry for confusing you in the way I asked. I appreciate that you tried, very much. -- My 76 Strat  (talk) 08:44, 15 January 2013 (UTC)

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Nomination of Highland Lake (Warren Center, Pennsylvania) for deletion
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SEOMoz
I was trying to figure out where this came from:
 * "I thought you claimed to be white-hat practicioners?"

I don't know of anything to suggest they have ever edited the article. Is there some context I'm not aware of?

I don't mean to sound snarky (if I do) just trying to figure out what was up. CorporateM (Talk) 00:58, 15 January 2013 (UTC)
 * You don't sound snarky in the least. "Rand" said something like, "Gee, I'm sorry I didn't spam Wikipedia worse a while back so that the article about us would be blocked forever." That sounded like a perverse sort of black-hat SEO to me. (I don't mind admitting that I am unsure that there is such a thing as true white-hat SEO.) -- Orange Mike &#x007C;  Talk  06:40, 15 January 2013 (UTC)


 * Oh ok. I wasn't aware that Rand had spammed Wikipedia in the past. CorporateM (Talk) 14:58, 15 January 2013 (UTC)

Leonard Oprea: Discrimination, Racism, Ignorance & Censorship, or ..what against me?
Leonard Oprea: Discrimination, Racism, Ignorance & Censorship, or ..what against me? I protest firmly against the slandering of my article in your English Wikipedia. Your “creation” of my “Biography” and “Works” are OUT of the reliable sources, OUT of the truth concerning who I am as writer worldwide. I never wrote a novella “X-Ray of an Instant”, for example; this is the title of a short stories and novellas volume. My first book – well-know – is “Domenii Interzise” / Forbidden Areas/ 1984 published – but premeditatedly you made my article a FALSE image of my biography and works. Premeditatedly you “adjusted” my image as looking … stupid… Probably I have to sue you. I want to be civilized and I like to have a common sense dialog with you… Alas! sorry, you do not have any excuse for your American ignorance and more for your OBVIOULSY CENSORSHIP. I do not agree to have such an article in your racist American space, AT LEAST ACCORDING TO MY FORMER ANTI-COMMUNIST DISSIDENCE WIDELY RECOGNIZED. I did not do anything to deserve this discrimination. Therefore, I think I will have to make public your discrimination. This is NOT a threat – yet what can I do against this evil ignorance? Leonardoprea. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Leonardoprea (talk • contribs) 09:19, 15 January 2013 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Leonardoprea (talk • contribs)

Books with l - o - n - g titles
Yeah, there was a time period when those long, paragraph-length titles were in style. Librarians use the title page of a book for the title, rather than the cover. For those really long titles, I tend to go with the part of the title page with the largest font, and treat the rest as fluff. Usually the fluff doesn't help the reader locate the book, which is one of the purposes of a citation. I see that the Library of Congress has cataloged the Wisconsin Blue Books, starting in 1862, as a series, with the title, The Blue book of the state of Wisconsin. Probably each edition actually has a different long title. I'm not sure what a style manual would suggest. Do you have a copy of CMOS? -- Mesconsing (talk) 20:33, 7 January 2013 (UTC)
 * You mean the part where it says, "Citations for books should include the following information in this order whenever possible: {p. 693-694} 1. Full name of author(s) or editor as author or corporate/institutional author 2. Title and subtitle 3. Editor, compiler, or translator in addition to author 4. Edition (only if not the first edition) 5. Volume information: total number of volumes of an entire multivolume work cited, individual volume of an multivolume work, title of individual volume if different from set 6. Series title and number (if applicable) 7. Facts of publication: city, publisher, and date 8. Page information (if applicable) 9. For electronic books: URL or DOI [digital object identifier], or type of medium (Kindle, etc.)" emphasis added? -- Orange Mike &#x007C;  Talk  03:45, 8 January 2013 (UTC)
 * Thanks for looking that up. Does that section refer to bibliographies/reference lists or to footnotes? -- Mesconsing (talk) 05:25, 17 January 2013 (UTC)
 * Footnotes. We're not big on bibliographies/reference lists here. -- Orange Mike &#x007C;  Talk  13:23, 17 January 2013 (UTC)

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The Lords of the New Church
Is there a reason to restore this mostly uncited section? I'm not familiar with the subject Prodego  talk  21:49, 16 January 2013 (UTC)


 * This warning seems completely inappropriate. If information is wrong we want to know about it. WP:AGF is still quite important, and I don't see it at all in this case. Prodego  talk  21:59, 16 January 2013 (UTC)
 * He was tossing around words like "libelous" and "copyright violation" with abandon, to an extent that I felt triggered WP:DOLT. -- Orange Mike &#x007C;  Talk  22:09, 16 January 2013 (UTC)
 * You got to give him a chance first. He is pointing towards completely uncited information that includes lines like "Stiv is roundly remembered as one of the very best front men in punk and post-punk rock", and "from the start the new members found it difficult to tolerate Steven Marque, and after some months on the road, they began to loathe him". And you restored that information several times even though it is uncited. People tend to get worked up about that. Prodego  talk  22:18, 16 January 2013 (UTC)

Manish Sharma (businessman)
Hi Mike. Despite the references (which in fact don't amount to much), I have my doubts about notability here. Would appreciate your view. Thanks.--ukexpat (talk) 14:11, 17 January 2013 (UTC)

User:Lawsonmediaworks
Hi Mike. I've unblocked this user, based on a (huge, but) pretty convincing unblock request on their talkpage (including a change of username). Normally I'd consult with the blocking admin, but I reckoned you would probably have made the same decision I did, under the circumstances. However, if you disagree, I will not object nor consider it a violation of WP:WHEEL if you reblock or ask me to do so, since I took action without discussing it with you first.

(In case you find the unblock request a tad tl;dr, I'll summarise: he's not promoting Lawson Media Works, but will still change his username; he doesn't quite get how Wikipedia works (who does?) and he'd like to revise and improve the AFC page on HDtracks, with whom he is not connected, to bring it in line with the guidelines.)

All the best, Yunshui 雲 ‍ 水  10:36, 16 January 2013 (UTC)
 * You've done just what seems right to me, Yunshui; no problem on my end. -- Orange Mike &#x007C;  Talk  13:21, 16 January 2013 (UTC)
 * Cool, thanks Mike. Yunshui 雲 &zwj; 水  13:43, 16 January 2013 (UTC)

Thank you for approving the unblocking. Yeah, my plea was huge, but I've never been known for my brevity. I often joke I am a publisher, not an editor. I hire editors to cut things down to size. I always tell my authors to turn in more than is needed as we can always chop it down. In any event, last I heard via email, a, trusted Wiki volunteer, Kevin Rutherford, said he would take a stab at helping me edit the original entry into something acceptable. Hopefully he is able to find the time to do this for me. I genuinely thought my very first entry was acceptable. It was flagged for references, but not content. Then after I fixed that, it was flagged for content. So I did a hail-Mary pass and tried to write it out some more, then it got blocked. Subjectivity must be something Wikipedia volunteers wrestle with, since everyone could form a different opinion on the same sentence. I'm sorry if I've caused anyone any hassles. I have plenty to learn about Wikipedia, and hopefully this experience trying to get an HDtracks page will be my trial by fire that makes future entries more palatable to the reviewers. DualShowman |  Talk   —Preceding undated comment added 02:35, 18 January 2013 (UTC)

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Philosophical Frontiers
Hello, and thanks for tagging this page for notability back in Jan 2008. I'm unsure about it - you may want to take it to the Notability Noticeboard or AfD to get it resolved. Best wishes, Boleyn (talk) 22:17, 18 January 2013 (UTC)

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unblock on hold at User talk:Fudgy budgy
You rightly blocked this user for vandalism two years ago. They created two nonsense pages. They are asking to be unblocked and promising to make positive contribs in the future. I am considering doling out some WP:ROPE, checking with you first as blocking admin. Beeblebrox (talk) 18:18, 20 January 2013 (UTC)
 * I'd be a smidgen happier if he was going to change the username; but far be it from me to stand in the way of somebody requesting a second chance: Assuming good faith is the way to go. -- Orange Mike &#x007C;  Talk  18:27, 20 January 2013 (UTC)


 * Cool, I will unblock them then. They did try and request a new name while blocked, Perhaps they still desire to change it. Beeblebrox (talk) 18:41, 20 January 2013 (UTC)

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Manish Sharma (Panasonic) should not be mentioned as Non-notable Corporate Bureaucrat
Hi Orangemike,

I made this page Manish Sharma (businessman) on Manish Sharma who is the current Managing Director, Panasonic India. There are certain issues with the page, the biggest one being that Manish Sharma is being termed as a Non-notable Corporate Bureaucrat. In my opinion this is not correct. I understand that we need to provide proper facts/references to support it and here they are:

I would start with a statement from The Economic Times (Category-A Business newspaper in India) here, "Japan's largest consumer electronics company, Panasonic has for the first time ever appointed an Indian to head its flagship consumer durables business in the country. Manish Sharma (41), erstwhile head for sales and marketing of Panasonic India, has been promoted as its managing director from April."

Here is the link of the same: http://articles.economictimes.indiatimes.com/2012-03-06/news/31127441_1_panasonic-india-daizo-ito-durables-market

'''His name has appeared in other major newspapers and magazines in India. Here are the links:'''


 * http://articles.economictimes.indiatimes.com/2012-03-06/news/31127441_1_panasonic-india-daizo-ito-durables-market


 * http://www.thehindubusinessline.com/features/brandline/article3707404.ece
 * http://www.4psbusinessandmarketing.com/07102010/storyd.asp?sid=4042&pageno=1
 * http://www.thehindubusinessline.com/industry-and-economy/marketing/article3516096.ece?homepage=true&ref=wl_home

Apart from these, he has received various awards, one of the most recent one being, the National Conservation Energy Awards 2012 held in December on behalf of Panasonic.

Therefore, Manish Sharma by no means necessary can be categorized as a Non-notable Corporate Bureaucrat.I request you to please help me correct this issue. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Gadgetsgigs (talk • contribs) 07:35, 18 January 2013 (UTC) Gadgetsgigs (talk) 14:02, 18 January 2013 (UTC)
 * A better case could be made for our needing articles on the two top guys at Panasonic main headquarters: Kunio Nakamura (Chairman) and Kazuhiro Tsuga (President). -- Orange Mike &#x007C;  Talk  21:06, 18 January 2013 (UTC)

I understand but that doesn't mean that we can't have a page which is talking about the Indian counterpart for them. I request you to please consider this page as the links and the references gives us a clear idea that this person, Manish Sharma is a well know figure when it comes to Indian Consumer electronic industry.

Thank you. Gadgetsgigs (talk) 04:00, 21 January 2013 (UTC)

Urgent: Also, the page isn't an Orphan page now as it was earlier as it is linked to three different articles.

Please respond to my earlier comments to prove that this person isn't a non-notable person. Gadgetsgigs (talk) 14:25, 22 January 2013 (UTC)
 * The discussion is taking place at Articles for deletion/Manish Sharma (businessman). Please make your case there. -- Orange Mike &#x007C;  Talk  14:28, 22 January 2013 (UTC)

Morrissey edits
The Daily Caller may not be in your eyes a "reliable source" because they have don't have a "neutral point of view" but that doesn't change the facts in the case. He is a felon and those items are easily researchable if you want to look. Having an opinion isn't a crime. -- JD Sparks |  Talk  20:11, 21 January 2013 (UTC)
 * If they are easily researchable, then research them and provide us a reliable source. His former disbarment is already in the article (in the lede, actually). -- Orange Mike &#x007C;  Talk  13:55, 22 January 2013 (UTC)

Jeffrey Allen Sinclair
I have written an article on the above individual. Per the last time I sw you we had a discussion about WP:UNDUE with Tom Stienstra per my understanding the same would apply to this article. I removed an entire section to make sure we are in compliance with BLP since there hasn't been a guilty verdict. Would you look at this and make a few suggestions if needed for improvement? He definitely meets WP:SOLDIER being a general officer, but I would appreciate your opinion and expertise if possible. Hell In A Bucket (talk) 13:26, 22 January 2013 (UTC)
 * Thank you sir as always I appreciate your help. Hell In A Bucket (talk) 12:47, 23 January 2013 (UTC)

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Dan Nainan Vandalism
Dan graduated from Bethesda-Chevy Chase High School in Bethesda, Maryland in 1979. was recently added to the page its citation was a vidio that had text which was a word for word copy of the wikipedia page. This line is a poor citation and should be deleted.

Nerdypunkkid (talk) 21:24, 22 January 2013 (UTC)
 * I'll take a look. -- Orange Mike &#x007C;  Talk  21:38, 22 January 2013 (UTC)

Hello Mike. I was the one that initially posted a link from Bethesda Chevy-Chase High School, which claimed that Dan graduated in 1979. This was ultimately replaced by a link to a video. The truth be told, I believe someone is maliciously editing this site with biased, non-factual posts. I believe that someone changed my legitimate reference to that silly video, so you would simply remove it. At the end of the day, this site should be driven by facts and not the desire to promote ones own interests or misdirect or mislead readers. When you have a chance, please look at my lengthy retort to Nerdypukkid, under his "Recently added and poorly cited" comment. Personally, I believe you should lock Dan's page. It's erroneous and I am tired of continually straightening it out. I donate to Wikipedia, on a regular basis, on that belief that it provides a venue for accurate and relevant posts - Not unbiased self-interest or misleading information. Thanks kindly. And, truly - thanks for your efforts...I am sure that being a mod is a difficult task at times. DesiBabe —Preceding undated comment added 01:09, 23 January 2013 (UTC)

Hello sineBot and Orange Mike Ive viewed the citation attached to Bethesda Chevy-Chase High School and it is valid and it does say someone named Dan Nainan was part of the class of 1979. I think that line that talks about his HS woud be best between the sentence ending in Bloomington. and before the sentence Befpre becoming a comedian. That way its cronilogical. I did not add the line about his high school so i don't feel comfortable altering others work.

Second him graduated in 1979 contradicts other articles written about him putting him in his early 30s while if he graduated in 1979 and assuming he graduated when he was 17 or 18 would make him in his 50's. Not to mention taking on look at him he does not look like he is in his 50s but late 20s early 30s. I think there must be another Dan Nainan because both the first and last name are common names. I think since his age is provided by relevant and notable sources such as CNN NYtime and NYpost we put his birthday back to his orignial day as 1981 (i beleive) or if not possible list it as disputed untill something with his full birthday not age comes up or evidense that shows that Dan Nainan the comedian is same Dan Nainain that graduated highschool in 1979

19:00, 23 January 2013 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Nerdypunkkid (talk • contribs)
 * Nerdy, I have to agree that the described career path of Dan Nainan does not come close to matching up with a birthdate of 1981, and does mesh well with a graduation date of 1979. -- Orange Mike &#x007C;  Talk  19:12, 23 January 2013 (UTC)

I think the best explanation is that a different Dan Nainan graduated graduated on that date. The reason i think its different people is the news sourses such as CNN and Nytimes can't write things that are not true or backed by fact because they would loose there credibility. I'm not going to make changes anypart of the Dan Nainan page that i did not create myself. I would like to hear your desicion and hope you put back his birthday back to his orinal stated age because thats backed up by notable sourses

19:25, 23 January 2013 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Nerdypunkkid (talk • contribs)

Marcelo Contento - Shadowgraph
Please view my post on the Talk page of Shadowgraphy. Arctucrus (talk) 19:20, 23 January 2013 (UTC)

I responded to your comment. Please view. Arctucrus (talk) 19:49, 23 January 2013 (UTC)

Joseph D. Morrissey
I didn't add that section, and if you paid attention to what you were doing, you would know that. Throwing around vandalism accusations willy-nilly is pretty irresponsible on your part.

As someone who lives in Virginia, and who is far from being hostile to Morrissey, I can testify that the last version that appeared was factually correct, though I don't care for the sources, either. As a Wikipedia editor, I'd say it was far more neutral than the two other versions I have deleted (you're not alone in that). I'd prefer the editor who put it in stuck to reliable sources, but I have no doubt that the incident described can be sourced to the Richmond Times-Dispatch, rather than Tucker Carlson's digital rag. And it's a serious enough event in Morrissey's life that it belongs in the article somehow.

And as for your vandalism screed, I'll wait for your apology. Rklear (talk) 20:00, 23 January 2013 (UTC)
 * I've made no accusations of vandalism; I'm just weary of this alleged incident being repeatedly inserted into the article without any reliable sources. If you were not the one who restored the stuff sourced to nut blogs and partisan news sites, then I certainly do apologize! With a BLP, reliable sourcing is mandatory nowadays, as it should be. -- Orange Mike &#x007C;  Talk  20:06, 23 January 2013 (UTC)

Mail
--Anthony Bradbury"talk" 21:24, 23 January 2013 (UTC)

article request

 * Robert James Turnbull ("Brutus"), see Robert James Turnbull. • Serviceable†Villain 14:04, 23 January 2013 (UTC)
 * Good job, kudos! Tks for that. I saw your name on the States' rights talk and thought I'd at least ask. Many tks. • Serviceable†Villain 00:56, 24 January 2013 (UTC)
 * The irony, of course, is that I despise the planter mentality, the nullifiers and seceshes, and indeed most of the political history of South Carolina as a state. That should not, and did not, preclude me from doing a proper job on this definitely notable person. -- Orange Mike |  Talk  13:43, 24 January 2013 (UTC)
 * The great bulk of my stock of convictions, taken singly or in groups, has been so abused by reality that I find it difficult to rise to the task of despising any idea or individual, unless I have incontrovertible evidence that the same works to the material harm of another person. Which is not to say that I agree or approve, or am neutral in all things; rather, I have developed a healthy suspicion regarding my own infallibility. Thanks again, though! • Serviceable†Villain 07:44, 25 January 2013 (UTC)

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Eric Zorn
Orange Mike, can you look at Eric Zorn to see if it should be deleted. The article is like a promotional piece, even including multiple direct links to Zorn's blog. And there are no reliable sources at all; the only sources are to the subject's own newspaper columns. There's also some nonsense content such as "Eric has a grandkitty, Wednesday Zing, by way of his son Alex and Alex's girlfriend, Kayley", "each December Zorn joins with Schmich to host "Songs of Good Cheer", and this entire section. The IP editor who created the article also created an article for Eric Zorn's wife Johanna Zorn on the very same day. Her's is currently set for deletion. --76.189.109.147 (talk) 19:06, 25 January 2013 (UTC)


 * Nevermind. A great editor did a wonderful job in establishing notability and overhauling the article. ;) --76.189.109.147 (talk) 09:23, 26 January 2013 (UTC)

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Neutral point of view
The debate over Obama's birthplace is still going strong. My edit made it neutral, not the other way around. BigPimpinBrah (talk) 20:33, 30 January 2013 (UTC)
 * That debate has been settled for a long time; to suggest otherwise is a violation of our policy toward "fringe" theories. -- Orange Mike &#x007C;  Talk  20:34, 30 January 2013 (UTC)

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˜danjel [ talk &#124; contribs ] 05:58, 31 January 2013 (UTC)

+1. ˜danjel [ talk &#124; contribs ] 01:36, 1 February 2013 (UTC)

Paid advocacy situation

 * CPI Solutions
 * CPI Solutions
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 * CPI Solutions

Howdy. I've stumbled upon what I think is a blatant paid advocacy situation and stumbled on your familiar name on the watch list. I wasn't sure whether I should post it on WikiProject Paid Advocacy Watch or report at ANI. I'd be grateful for any advice or hands. Cheers! JFHJr (㊟) 05:10, 1 February 2013 (UTC)


 * Hey OrangeMike. It looked like Aminiumcpisolutions (probably a username violation) was blocked before ever being given a COI notification tag. I don't use the default COI user tag, but when a PR person is disrupting my editing, I give them one of these and it seems to work pretty well most of the time.


 * Yes, we both know how you feel about PR editors, but maybe next time give it a shot? If I were in his shoes, I would think that PR editors are banned and the take-home lesson would be to conceal themselves better next time. I realize it's potentially a contentious topic, so hopefully I'm not ruffling any feathers. CorporateM (Talk) 23:23, 2 February 2013 (UTC)
 * You're not ruffling my feathers; we're all trying to improve the project. But, that said: your template is far too gentle, too encouraging to people most of whom I feel should stay out of the project altogether. -- Orange Mike &#x007C;  Talk  00:11, 3 February 2013 (UTC)


 * Lets say I agree with you. Don't you think the best way to deter PR participation would be to let them get frustrated by getting their articles rejected for promotionalism at AfC? Blocking them for being a PR person doesn't really deter anything right. Just means a larger volume of usernames and socks you can't keep track of. It's counterproductive.


 * I don't think the notification needs to be more firm. If someone isn't willing to read and follow straightforward instructions, then maybe they shouldn't be here. The expectation is that they will follow the instructions of their own volition, not because we enforce or require it.


 * Enjoy the discussion/debate, even if we're not necessarily on the same side of things ;-) CorporateM (Talk) 00:40, 3 February 2013 (UTC)

First of all, thank you. I think the damage done by this account has been addressed. I think the block was warranted, given the promotional nature of the only two objects of contribution, namely for a BLP and his creation. FWIW, the WP:SOLUTION is clearly an ammonium suspension. Ha? I'll watch for more precipitation. Anti-ha. JFHJr (㊟) 05:53, 3 February 2013 (UTC)

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Hi Orange Mike; There doesn't seem to be any talk or debate going on over the Ralph Drollinger article. Has enough time lapsed that you or someone could take down the caution banners at the top of that page? AccuracyInPosting (talk) 12:22, 3 February 2013 (UTC)

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User:LA Tattoo
Hi Mike. Just letting you know I've unblocked this user - it seems pretty evident that they aren't trying to promote a business, and their name is not related to the company LA Tattoos (who are based in Runcorn, literally half a world away from the user's region of interest). They've also provided us with a fairly decent article on an LA tattoo artist (Amy Nicoletto), which is hopefully the start of a productive Wikipedia career. As such, I've unblocked; I imagine you'll be cool with that given the new information, but do let me know if not. Cheers, Yunshui 雲 ‍ 水  10:57, 5 February 2013 (UTC)
 * Whoops, I've since realised it was actually Alexf who issued the block, not you. Must feed more coffee to brain... Yunshui 雲 &zwj; 水  11:39, 5 February 2013 (UTC)
 * Well, yeah... I'd decided not to block them, for the reasons you outline, and wondered why Alex had done so. -- Orange Mike &#x007C;  Talk  15:56, 5 February 2013 (UTC)

Interview
Q1 : Tell us a little about yourself and what you do on wikipedia?

Q2 : Why do you edit wikipedia?

Q3 : Do you get any satisfaction from editing wikipedia?

Q4 : How did you manage to get 134k active users?

Q5 : Are all editors constructive?

Q6 : What do you not like about Wikipedia?(if anything)?

Q7 : What do you enjoy about Wikipedia?(if anything)?--EatIcecream2 (talk) 16:39, 6 February 2013 (UTC)

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offending message re Catherine Mary Stewart
I am honestly HIGHLY offended by this message.

I am a friend and web assistant for the actress Catherine Mary Stewart. As part of her Wikipedia profile we have added her official facebook site to her links. Today I see this message from Orange Mike. This is NOT spam - this is official page - and i am not trying to SNEAK anything in. I find this HIGHLY insulting.

Please stop adding inappropriate external links to Wikipedia, as you did to Catherine Mary Stewart. It is considered spamming and Wikipedia is not a vehicle for advertising or promotion. Because Wikipedia uses nofollow tags, additions of links to Wikipedia will not alter search engine rankings. If you continue spamming, you may be blocked from editing Wikipedia. You were warned about this back in 2010, and again in 2012; but here you are trying to sneak it in again! --Orange Mike | Talk 15:19, 8 February 2013 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ryantbo (talk • contribs)
 * Our guidance on external links is quite clear: the subject of an article gets to have one, and only one, external link to a site which they control. You don't get to add twitter, Facebook, MySpace, etc. As I said, you were warned about this in 2010; when you did it again in 2012, you were warned again; and yet you tried again this year. You have been warned repeatedly: the subject of an article, as well as her friends, family, hirelings, etc., should not be editing an article. If you persist in trying to do so, other than to remove obvious vandalism, you are subject to being blocked at any time. -- Orange Mike &#x007C;  Talk  21:11, 8 February 2013 (UTC)


 * Sir (@Ryantbo): Please confirm you have read this particular message to you<---click the link to view the message -- Senra (talk) 21:13, 8 February 2013 (UTC)

So I see by the post from your co working that I am now self rightious. Nothing could be further from the truth. I was simply trying to update record for research as a service to anyone using Wikipedia to further research Catherine Mary Stewart. this whole thing has really soured me on using Wiki

I have done nothing more than add an official link to Catherine's Facebook - the same link that follows on IMDB and other links that pertain to her career and would be of interest to people that are researching her.

Isn't Wikipedia a research assistant and isn't her facebook link a way to further research her? I think this whole issue has been blown WAY out of proportion. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ryantbo (talk • contribs) 03:12, 9 February 2013 (UTC)
 * Wikipedia has very little use for links to sites controlled by the subjects of articles, since such sites are not independent, lack the requisite neutral point-of-view, and are extremely unlikely to be reliable sources. Wikipedia is supposed to be a source of reliable impartial information. If you attempt instead to use it for promotion and to further the reputation of somebody, then that effort is likely to turn out badly, especially if you do not heed the messages you are given. I certainly bear no ill-will against Stewart (or you); I just don't want to see our rules and principles violated by her "friend and web assistant" trying to puff her up. -- Orange Mike &#x007C;  Talk  02:50, 10 February 2013 (UTC)


 * Hi Ryan. Orange is a nice enough guy - just a little rough around the edges with a sort of straight-forward, no bull-shit tone that might make you think he has it out for you, but (just as he says) he really doesn't. While we do our best not to bite the newbies, he is dead-on. Please see External links/Perennial websites. In general, no, we don't find that links to a Facebook page are helpful for someone researching the topic. They're usually added by someone looking for Facebook followers/friends. In the future it would be best to disclose your conflict of interest and use the Talk page, so an editor can explain the rules, instead of edit-warring. The outcome might ultimately be the same (the link still doesn't get added) but the experience may feel more friendly.


 * Orange, hope you don't mind me poking in on your Talk so often. ;-) CorporateM (Talk) 03:19, 13 February 2013 (UTC)


 * @Ryantbo: May I call you Ryan? We are all trying to help you here. Sincerely we are. I am sorry that you feel soured by your Wikipedia experience. It is most definitely not easy for new editors like yourself to understand our large number of policies and guidelines. Of the currently active Wikipedia editors, some have specialist experience helping editors like you who are are trying to promote a company or person. Wikipedia does not allow direct promotion. It is after all an encyclopaedia, not a promoters tool. We do allow factual information and thus there are ways of promoting someone using facts that, effectively, by-pass Wikipedia's rules and procedures. Please consider asking for help on my talk-page. I would be delighted to try and help you myself or find another editor with more experience to do so. As an aside, Ryan, what part of this particular message to you treats you as if you are "now self rightious"? -- Senra (talk) 14:09, 13 February 2013 (UTC)

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James R. Gribbs
Hello. In 2009, you deleted James R. Gribbs. I can't view the page you deleted, so I'm not sure if it was a very short stub or not. I would like to create the page again. He seems to be a prominent oilman and also sits on the Board of Trustees of Southern Methodist University. Any objections? Please reply on my page. Thanks.Zigzig20s (talk) 07:55, 14 February 2013 (UTC)
 * Sorry, typo. I meant James R. Gibbs.Zigzig20s (talk) 13:52, 14 February 2013 (UTC)

Question
Hi, I need your advice. Are non-admins allowed to comment at ANI? I was under the impression it was or admin's discussions only. I just posted something there and I'm wondering if I made a mistake and should delete it. Thanks in advance for your guidance. Capitalismojo (talk) 16:21, 14 February 2013 (UTC)
 * Hey, Capitalismojo! I'm following that ANI threaad and meant to drop you a line to answer this question, but got distracted by an SPI thingy. Anyway, yes, non-admins are perfectly welcome to post on ANI. :) Writ Keeper &#9863;&#9812; 16:24, 14 February 2013 (UTC)
 * Thanks very much!Capitalismojo (talk) 16:32, 14 February 2013 (UTC)
 * Heavens, yes! Please remember: an admin is just another editor, with the Mop-and-Bucket powers. ANI is to keep all of us in harmony with the spirit and rules of this project; it would be absurd to limit its use to admins (or even to registered users). -- Orange Mike &#x007C;  Talk  16:33, 14 February 2013 (UTC)

George Brumder

 * 1) "German-American" refers to nationality, not to language spoken.
 * 2) Alsace (not Alsatia) became a province of France in 1648, almost 200 years before Brumder was born, and it was within the sphere of French influence for many years before that.
 * 3) Alsace did not become part of Germany until 1871, many years after Brumder left there.
 * 4) In 1871, most Alsatians objected strenuously to being annexed by Germany, considering themselves French nationals. Tens of thousands of them moved from the province rather than be ruled by Germany.
 * 5) How does this article benefit from labeling Brumder "German-American", when it clearly describes his strong ties to the German-American community?
 * 6) This article has no lede. Why did you delete it?

-- Mesconsing (talk) 21:05, 14 February 2013 (UTC)
 * Sorry about the lede; glad to try to fix that. The German Alsatians such as Brumder were almost obnoxiously proud of beeing German-American; the Germania Building's missing statue was of Germania Triumphant, a statue created after the Prussian victory in the Franco-Prussian war of 1870; but it's certainly not worth getting into an edit war with you, one of our most valued Wisconsin editors (along with RFD, of course). Forward! -- Orange Mike &#x007C;  Talk  21:13, 14 February 2013 (UTC)
 * I've read extensively in the history of Germany, Alsace, and Lorraine, as well as German-American history. I've never found anything to support your assertion that Alsatians were "almost obnoxiously proud of beeing German-American". They may have settled near German immigrants because of the common language, but everything I've read says they maintained their distinct identity as Alsatians, not Germans. As far as I'm concerned "German Alsatians" is an oxymoron. Thanks for whatever you can do for a lede. -- Mesconsing (talk) 21:37, 14 February 2013 (UTC)
 * Maybe it was the Milwaukee German-Alsatians; or maybe Brumder's personal prejudices and desire to be perceived as a true Milwaukee German flavoring the press here (which he came pretty close to controlling outright); or (shocking though it may be to suggest) I could be wrong. I hope the current article structure is to your satisfaction, as I genuinely do value you as a collaborator here on Wisconsin articles. -- Orange Mike &#x007C;  Talk  21:47, 14 February 2013 (UTC)
 * I suspect it may have been a Brumder thing. My reading of Alsatian history is that Alsatians have always had a strong regional identity (i.e., "Alsatian") that is neither French nor German, although they have always maintained a French national allegiance. Collins has said "Alsatians also have an intense loyalty to France whose citizens probably have a stronger feeling of national identity than those in most other European countries." That refers to today, but of course, that loyalty didn't crop up yesterday. Newer work examining the period of German rule (1871-1918) suggests that opinions, feelings, and identity were very complex, if not quite all over the map. And authorities always tried to redefine Alsace's past (e.g., revisionist history) to legitimize their political maneuvers. It's not surprising this is a difficult topic.
 * -- Mesconsing (talk) 22:16, 14 February 2013 (UTC)
 * -- Mesconsing (talk) 22:16, 14 February 2013 (UTC)

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Your edit summary
I have just spotted this. A bit too attackey maybe?  ·Add§hore·  Talk To Me! 14:37, 15 February 2013 (UTC)
 * I've rev del'ed it, as it was inappropriate language inspired by a racist attack which could be interpreted as a death threat. The stable IP vandal posted a photo of a lynching of an African-American woman, to the article about an African-American woman, with wording about this is what happens to people who behave in a way the editor disapproves of. In the past, that same IP has posted an illo of a watermelon to that same article. Given the nature of the edit, this Southerner over-reacted. -- Orange Mike &#x007C;  Talk  16:28, 15 February 2013 (UTC)

Restrictive Firewall
Hi I'd like to request that you grant me IPBE. as the College I attend uses highly restrictive firewalls. And also I will be traveling overseas in ASIA and the Middle East with my school as part of a study abroad program, SO IPBE would be helpful. I have never been blocked and I know IPBE is not a license to edit via proxy, as that is forbidden. Thanks. TucsonDavid U . S . A . 21:55, 14 February 2013 (UTC)
 * ???? What is IPBE? -- Orange Mike &#x007C;  Talk  21:59, 14 February 2013 (UTC)
 * IP-block-exemption.--ukexpat (talk) 22:05, 14 February 2013 (UTC)
 * Sorry, yes It's IP block exemption.TucsonDavid U . S . A . 22:22, 14 February 2013 (UTC)
 * I got a similar request on my page and have referred him to the process described at WP:RfR. – Philosopher Let us reason together. 20:57, 15 February 2013 (UTC)

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Michael James Lowrey
You have a fan page, I've sadly nominated it for deletion. I'm sorry but I do appreciate your involvement with the project and help on my projects I've brought up to you. Hell In A Bucket (talk) 09:37, 21 February 2013 (UTC)
 * It's not a fan page. Hell (as in not you), I don't even know Mike that well to be considered a fan. I just wrote it after seeing his entry in The Political Graveyard. ☯ Bonkers The Clown  \(^_^)/  Nonsensical Babble  ☯ 10:26, 21 February 2013 (UTC)
 * Easy now I don't mean that negatively, just meant that it's a page about him, no offense implied. Hell In A Bucket (talk) 10:28, 21 February 2013 (UTC)

Rfrster
I've put his unblock request on hold ... apparently it's his real name, so it's invalid as a username block. However, it does seem like he was editing promotionally ... any ideas on how we want to handle this? Daniel Case (talk) 15:09, 21 February 2013 (UTC)
 * He's been cautioned and advised about COI, but not blocked; I'd say let's assume good faith, and work on making the article less crummy. -- Orange Mike &#x007C;  Talk  15:44, 21 February 2013 (UTC)

COI issue at Rushka Bergman
Hi Mike. I was posting a comment on User:Mathonius's talk page and happened to notice this thread, where User: 24.39.127.109 admits to being the personal assistant of Rushka Bergman. She said her name is Callie Beusman. The IP also made this edit where she admits her connection to the Bergman. As you'll see, IP 24.39.127 hasn't simply been editing the article, she has actually been the primary editor of the article and, most importantly, seems to be under the mistaken impression that her boss owns the article and can therefore demand what content stays or goes. I assume she is also 24.39.127.198 and User:24.39.127.92, who have edited the article. Thank you very much. --76.189.111.199 (talk) 05:37, 21 February 2013 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the heads-up; I've taken a whack at it. -- Orange Mike &#x007C;  Talk  15:52, 21 February 2013 (UTC)
 * Great, thanks. It surprises me that no one has addressed the COI issue with (the editor claiming to be) Bergman's personal assistant (24.39.127.109); the only activity on her talk page are some mild warnings for content removal a few weeks ago. And when someone with a clear COI posts a comment to a reverting editor like this: "Everything that I removed I was personally instructed BY RUSHKA BERGMAN to do. I would kindly ask that you please stop replacing the information once I take it off. This is an instruction from Rushka Bergman", it's clear that there's a big problem. Haha. Hopefully, you can advise her. --76.189.111.199 (talk) 19:40, 21 February 2013 (UTC)

Michael James Lowrey
Just created this today... But sadly got nominated for deletion eight minutes after. COI aside, do you think you're notable enough to merit an article? ☯ Bonkers The Clown  \(^_^)/  Nonsensical Babble  ☯ 10:24, 21 February 2013 (UTC)


 * Don't feel bad. Some articles get nominated after two minutes. So Mike made it 300% longer. :P --76.189.111.199 (talk) 20:06, 21 February 2013 (UTC)

Template Creation Question
I am helping User:Geremy.Hebert create this template User:Clarkcj12/Edit War Prestiege, we were wondering is there a way to make it so, if I create a param for the revert number, that the message will change when you change the revert number, so like if you put number 5 in the revert number param, it will produce one message, but changing the number will replace that with another message. He wanted to allow the template to be Subst: so, I know if you subst the template, then chaining the number won't do anything once its subst'ed. So, if you can give me some advice about what variable to use to allow this changing of the text, let me know. --Clarkcj12 (talk) 00:47, 22 February 2013 (UTC)
 * I fear that I do not have the Programmer Nature, and cannot be of any help. (That's part of why I love my Macs: no need to learn any kind of programming language whatsoever, if you don't want to.) -- Orange Mike &#x007C;  Talk  15:57, 22 February 2013 (UTC)

In re Question of Identity
The self-same corvid. Also recently started blogging! Hi, Mike! — Raven (talk) 19:12, 22 February 2013 (UTC)

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Sorry For My Harsh Words
Hey Orangemike, really sorry for my harsh words.

Ron Gates — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ron Gates (talk • contribs) 10:15, 24 February 2013 (UTC)

Neutral point of view
I didn't violate npov, talk pages are not articles BigPimpinBrah (talk) 03:37, 24 February 2013 (UTC)
 * "Editors making disruptive edits may be blocked temporarily from editing the encyclopedia, or subject to other administrative remedies, according to standards that may be higher than elsewhere on Wikipedia. Please see Talk:Barack Obama/Article probation for full information and to review the decision." -- Orange Mike &#x007C;  Talk  03:49, 24 February 2013 (UTC)

WP:REFUND
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Question about Connor lane
I have put this article Connor lane up for BLP Prod, can you take a look to see if that was the right action? Or should I have maybe put it under WP:CSD as non-notable person? As it could fall under either of those guidelines. Thank you, --Clarkcj12 (talk) 16:20, 26 February 2013 (UTC)
 * As well I can't find any references regarding that person, by the way the user that created the article was Woolley555. --Clarkcj12 (talk) 16:32, 26 February 2013 (UTC)
 * It was a hoax, and was speedily deleted as such. -- Orange Mike &#x007C;  Talk  16:52, 26 February 2013 (UTC)

William T. Green
Hi-I thought you might be interested in this article about William T. Green. He was the first African-American lawyer to practice law in Milwaukee. He died in 1910 and I am trying to track down Wisconsin Bar Association proceedings if the Wisconsin Bar pay respects to William Green when he died. Wisconsin Bar Association do help when you are researching a person who served in the Wisconsin Legislature and practiced law. Thank you-RFD (talk) 20:24, 26 February 2013 (UTC)

A cup of coffee for you!

 * I take my caffeine via Diet Mountain Dew (bottle on my desk as I type this); but thanks for the kind wishes! -- Orange Mike &#x007C;  Talk  19:12, 27 February 2013 (UTC)
 * Every 2nd source is a SPS. Not that we can't use them every now and them, but this is a BLP, not a Facebook timeline page.  I'm tempted to delete every one and the supporting statement. And ancestry.com for a RS?  Owie owie owie!   little green rosetta $central scrutinizer (talk)$ 19:53, 27 February 2013 (UTC)

Unblock of RiverAlexander1
... or his mother, to be more precise; per a reasonable suggested change of username I've lifted your username block. COI may well continue to be an issue, so may be worth keeping half an eye on her edits. Cheers, Yunshui 雲 ‍ 水  08:53, 28 February 2013 (UTC)
 * Okay; but I do sort of expect you as the unblocking admin to watch her, as she clearly has WP:OWN issues out the wazoo. (I know, I'm the parent of a teen myself; but nonetheless...) -- Orange Mike &#x007C;  Talk  14:36, 28 February 2013 (UTC)
 * Goes without saying; I've got her talkpage and the article on my watchlist and will do the old "ton of bricks" thing if required. Yunshui 雲 &zwj; 水  14:59, 28 February 2013 (UTC)

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Userpage advice
Mike, in the wake of our "that Raven?" exchange, I've written myself an actual userpage to answer that question from others... but with substantial misgivings, and I'd appreciate your advice as (1) an experienced Wikipedian (2) who knows me, and will take into account I left that page only one line long for six years. I dislike boasting; I detest braggarts; and the whole Essjay affair ought to have left everyone permanently wary of claimed expertise, especially as argument ammo. I've never brought up such things in arguments, only pointed to resources and asked people to go look for themselves (e.g. in Talk:Theban alphabet). To say, now, "Yes, I'm that Raven, the one who did that and that, and that over there, and yes, that too, and yes, who'd have guessed it, the same Raven who did that...." could easily sound as much like a brag as a statement of identity or background or interests. And all the past years I've spent not mentioning such things won't be applied to my credit, once I do mention them. Or so I worry. Please look, reassure me, or suggest improvements in approach. Thanks! — Raven (talk) 22:15, 26 February 2013 (UTC)


 * Your userpage looks most exceedingly sound to me: lets the reader know who this guy is and what he's into. Congratulations! My only quibble is that perhaps you should use the Babel boxes to let folks know where they may find an editor who speaks the languages you do, some of which are far more obscure than my own Esperanto and blazon.
 * Lazy person that I am, I lean too much on userboxen to disclose my own (strongly-held) positions; and my userpage is perhaps a little autobiographical (though nobody's ever asked me to trim it. -- Orange Mike &#x007C;  Talk  22:27, 26 February 2013 (UTC)


 * (1) Writing Systems (scripts) interests are quite separate from languages spoken, especially in cases like Khitan, whose last recorded surviving speaker/reader/writer was Genghis Khan's imposing advisor Yeliu Chutsai * — his lineage had been the fallen empire's royal family. The vocabulary we know of is similar to Mongolian; I won't say "amazingly" because the peoples lived in the same area, and I think it likely Khitan as the overlapping older empire's language influenced (≈ "was related to") the younger one's. Talking about Khitan like this is one thing; but putting up a Babel box and claiming I speak it?! pfffft.


 * (* Respected, oh yes, but not a hero to this unhappy singer.... "Do-ora Tengri-de, anda-nar, chilugetai unu!")


 * (2) Again, post-Essjay, it goes against the grain to make any such claim about any language, script, or topic at all. Either what I'm saying (writing) demonstrates some discernible degree of fluency / familiarity / genuine research, in which case the claim is unnecessary, or else not, in which case the claim is foolish. Besides, if I were here all the time for people to find me, hanging out my shingle might make sense (if people could trust shingles). But I'm only intermittently here; people shouldn't wait around for me. What I do is show up where I feel I have something to contribute, and contribute it (as at Talk:Theban alphabet)... and you'll notice even that has been met with dead silence — I'm sure it's simply because, like me, all those other people simply aren't on all the time; the next time they get on, *I* will be on hiatus, and so forth... the debates will simply take place at a far more glacial pace than the Internet usually affords. — Raven (talk) 06:46, 27 February 2013 (UTC)
 * (3) Ah! The bell rang! I remembered what your phrase reminded me of! "... use the Babel boxes to let folks know where they may find an editor..." — Did you ever read Barry Hughart's Bridge of Birds*, set in mythical China? The village's children have fallen ill, strong young man Number Ten Ox is sent into the city to find a detective, and in the Street of Detectives he sees sign after sign after sign advertising the symbol of the Open Eye, all of them equally all-seeing, how is he to choose? But then he sees one sign with a Half-Open Eye: some things I see, it seems to say, some things I don't. And this is the detective he chooses. Wisely, as it turns out. — Raven (talk) 06:58, 27 February 2013 (UTC)


 * (* Until I linked and read the article for the novel, I didn't know there were sequels! Hurray! And already, just from a quote in the first sequel's article, I believe I've spotted a bilingual pun against post-modernism! Hurray!) – Raven (talk) 19:47, 27 February 2013 (UTC)
 * Many people were saddened by Hughart's death, as it deprived fantasy literature of a very different voice from the usual re-tooled Tolkien and regurgitated Celtic Twilight crowd(s). -- Orange Mike &#x007C;  Talk  20:04, 27 February 2013 (UTC)
 * "Hughart's death"?! Are you sure? He's still listed as a living person here on Wikipedia, and everywhere else I looked; I found no mention of his death; what's more, note his residence is Tucson AZ and now see this other Tucson resident's obituary: "John Branham, 53, died January 11, 2013... is also survived by uncles, Peter and Barry Hughart and three stepbrothers." Granted, Tucson may have had two Barry Hugharts of an age to be uncle to a 53-year-old man, but is it so common a name? – Raven (talk) 06:31, 28 February 2013 (UTC)
 * Perhaps I was misinformed! I vaguely recall hearing of his death, almost a decade ago, and did not do any follow-up. I dearly hope you are correct and I am wrong. -- Orange Mike &#x007C;  Talk  14:34, 28 February 2013 (UTC)
 * "Almost a decade ago": any word of his death then seems to be what Mark Twain called "greatly exaggerated." I wrote Jerry Kuntz, who'd interviewed Hughart in 2000, and although they haven't stayed in close touch since, Kuntz got email from Hughart in 2010, only three years ago. Unless Hughart has learned some necromantic tricks from the Duke of Chin or the Laughing Prince, I don't think he died almost a decade ago. Cheer up! – Raven (talk) 21:29, 28 February 2013 (UTC)

Courtesy note
... although I imagine it will have flagged on your watchlist anyway: I've just deleted your article as a result of the AFD. If it softens the blow any, I teared up a little bit as I did so.

No, not really. But it's still a shame; you're a far more worthy candidate than some of the article subjects we get. Yunshui 雲 ‍ 水  09:02, 28 February 2013 (UTC)
 * The question was never whether the subject was "worthy": the issue was whether the subject was notable enough to have an article about in an encyclopedia. -- Orange Mike &#x007C;  Talk  14:40, 28 February 2013 (UTC)
 * Quite. Maybe you should do more press? Yunshui 雲 &zwj; 水  14:59, 28 February 2013 (UTC)
 * Oh, I've got a clipping or two (the column in the local daily about the 20-year-old Democratic nominee for the Assembly; the newspaper article about the local SF convention which actually ended up being more about the con's "Speaker-to-Mundanes"; the item in Die Welte last year; the photo in Publishers Weekly); but together they still don't add up, IMHO, to the requisite substantial coverage. -- Orange Mike &#x007C;  Talk  21:39, 28 February 2013 (UTC)

Talk:Jan Howard Finder
"If fans start with the presumption of non-notability, aren't even more [unmerited] Speedy Deletes in the offing?" – Raven (talk) 07:10, 1 March 2013 (UTC)

Category:Dan T. Sehlberg
Regarding our discussion about T. Sehlberg: as he is swedish, he is often confused with Dan Sehlberg, a Swedish businessman. That's the main reason for having just one article and deleting the other multiple articles which I by accident created as i'm new here:Dan T. Sehlberg Ovetove (talk) 22:51, 1 March 2013 (UTC)

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No humor, please!

 * Your continuing efforts to bring smiles to the lips of fellow editors (ex:Your Help desk reply re:pornstars and celebrities) must stop. You are altering the austere and stoic demeanor that is expected of Encyclopedians. If you want to do comedy, go on stage. And....if you do.....send me a ticket!!! ```Buster Seven   Talk  14:25, 3 March 2013 (UTC)

RfC close at traditional marriage
Did you intend to close this? It stil looks like it is open. Thanks. little green rosetta $central scrutinizer (talk)$ 03:57, 3 March 2013 (UTC)

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Ben Cline
This BLP of a Virginia state politician has had a section titled "Women's rights" removed without explanation four times in the last week--three by two different IPs, and once by a new named account. All three have edited this article only, and none of the five delete edits has had an edit summary more descriptive than "removed text". The section, while it appears disproportionately long, does appear to have reliable sources, and the deletions appear to be an attempt to remove any negative material about the subject.

Would you mind taking a look at it? I don't care to get into a flat-out edit war, especially not without an outside opinion on the material itself. (I'll look for a reply here.) Rklear (talk) 17:35, 4 March 2013 (UTC)
 * The section was a smidgen long, but I restored most of it and warned the registered editor about blanking. The IP vandal was temporarily blocked. -- Orange Mike &#x007C;  Talk  01:58, 5 March 2013 (UTC)

The section "Women's rights" was removed because it is disproportionately long and focuses entirely on legislation from the 2012 General Assembly that Delegate Ben Cline did not patron. It is inconsistent with the rest of his page that focuses solely on legislation that Cline has patroned throughout his 6 terms in office, projecting a focus that is not big-picture and sadly, one-sided. LexLady13 (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 13:35, 5 March 2013 (UTC)

I think I need some oversight from an administrator for a difference of opinion on an article I have been trying to edit
Hello, OrangeMike. Will you give me some direction over how to get administrative oversight in editing an article. The article is Gun control and, although I have run afoul of the 3 reverts policy, I am sure that there are some "problems" with the way this has occurred and what it represents for fair editing on WP. Thank you--StopYourBull (talk) 22:55, 4 March 2013 (UTC)
 * I already explained the situation to you. Admin shopping isn't going to help your case. Kafziel Complaint Department: Please take a number 23:03, 4 March 2013 (UTC)

Cung Le's Wikipedia
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cung_Le Hello, I'm leaving this message to seek assistance from you to see if there can a protection to Cung Le's wikipedia page. It seems that random IP addresses continue to revert his page to change his Ethnicity and Nationality to strictly just Vietnamese. I have provided many sources that label him as either a Vietnamese-American or a South Vietnam-born American, meaning he is currently an American that happened to be born in South Vietnam. In the talk page, a Mod had stated that he is indeed in fact an American based on all the sources. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Cung_Le Comment This is very clear, he was born in South Vietnam but all that does is make him "South Vietnamese born" place of birth does not equate to nationality (otherwise Australia would have a british prime minister); there is a source here that calls Le "South Vietnamese-born American" therefore unless someone can show with an equally reliable source he is a national of another country then we go with American. Any changes without such a source will be reverted in line with WP:BLP. Mtking (edits) 22:33, 27 December 2012 (UTC)

However, he's already retired. Let me know what you can do or who I need to contact for further assistance in protecting his page. PinoyFilAmPride (talk) 00:01, 5 March 2013 (UTC)

A giant THANK YOU
Mike, I'm thanking you for saving the Timeshare article by Protecting it. I have been hawking that article daily for a long time to try and keep the scam and spam out of it. I don't use a smartphone, so I have to carry my Laptop around with me to stay on top of it...:) All of the folks deciding on whether or not Timeshare is for them, and then come to that article for some insight, also thank you by proxy. Orange is now my favorite color. Cheers! Pocketthis (talk) 04:29, 5 March 2013 (UTC)

Re a hasty action taken by you without actually looking at what happened
I posted the message on User:Ultraexactzz user page by mistake. Then I realised my mistake, blanked out what I posted and placed it in his talk page. It would have helped if you had looked at what was done, before jumping to conclusions --Sahir 16:40, 5 March 2013 (UTC)
 * Good point. When I see a userpage blanked by another user without explanatory edit summary, my reactions tend to be swift, in order to protect the userpage owner. -- Orange Mike &#x007C;  Talk  16:58, 5 March 2013 (UTC)
 * My bad for not adding an edit summary. I can understand how you feel with all these vandals about. I am not one of them :) --Sahir 17:08, 5 March 2013 (UTC)
 * Looks like you and me and Ultra are all good with each other. Let's all go out and CORRECT THE INTERWEBZ! -- Orange Mike &#x007C;  Talk  17:17, 5 March 2013 (UTC)

Help regarding the page
Hey, OrangeMike, I hope you will help me with the article on Trashness. I really want to make the article clean and neat. Please help me improve the article and fit for publishing on Wikipedia. I really have a lot of hopes from this article. Kindly, remove the warnings by helping me edit and give tips to make it clean. Thanks a lot ! Regards, Aminuddinshroff (talk) 22:36, 5 March 2013 (UTC)
 * Sorry, but it's an advertisement for a brand-new, very obscure blog. It has no place here. -- Orange Mike &#x007C;  Talk  22:39, 5 March 2013 (UTC)

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Needing an Admin again... Deja Vu?
Hey, there's an article: Dragan Petrović, that appears as a promotional piece, written probably from the subject of the article itself. The entire article stems both from the guy's personal site and Facebook page. The piles of photos originate there, leaving doubt as to copyright. Whomever is (doing an exceptionally bad job) editing, is untrained, doesn't edit any other articles. Once again, this is about a jazz musician being edited by someone with a username of User:Jazzycrazy, both on Wikipedia and Commons. As you know, I went through all of this with a person editing their own article, and how badly that turned out. Fortunately, I don't know this person, but I find once again the same clues as to possible copyright issues with the pics, probable violations of WP:OR, and more. This article was tagged in January, 2010-- three years ago with a question of notability. THREE years ago? I concur. There are plenty more notable musicians with great accomplishments that need attention. Please help with this. Please answer on my talk page. Thanks. --Leahtwosaints (talk) 17:40, 6 March 2013 (UTC)
 * Tagged for G11 speedy.--ukexpat (talk) 17:52, 6 March 2013 (UTC)

Second coming of Dragan Petrović
The Dragan Petrović has been re-created. I noticed you had been involved in the previous deletion. I am not a deletionist but I'm willing to concede to previous decisions. Please help iron this out. Chris troutman (talk) 21:20, 7 March 2013 (UTC)
 * If the subject is willing, and other editors work on it, and can provide appropriate references I haven't any issue with him keeping an article on the Wikipedia- I even checked out his music on You Tube (liking it, too!) thinking the article would just need an infobox and cleanup, but I do have a problem with people who create and edit their own articles, primarily to promote their own careers, which it really seemed to look to me. I had a previous problem with the same circumstances with a different musician and it became a bad situation, which is why I am not the person to make choices of any kind about this, and why I was asking User:Orangemike both because he was instrumental in resolving that scene, and because he's an Admin., and seems to be fair. --Leahtwosaints (talk) 10:19, 8 March 2013 (UTC)
 * The world is full of musicians I never heard of, and that's not a problem; but the "article" I deleted after recreation was purest crap, full of lines like, "His compositions are truly elegant and inspiring", "Every new recording continues to keep listeners in anticipation of his next musical adventure", "impressive emotional range that will captivate the ears of jazz and fusion music lovers of all tastes", and "manages to capture the ear in both its; good taste and understated subtle sophistication offering jazz music lovers of all tastes a palette of elegant musical cuisine"! -- Orange Mike &#x007C;  Talk  13:36, 8 March 2013 (UTC)

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Please would you reassess Articles for deletion/Annemarie Kremer
The article Annemarie Kremer has developed substantially since your nomination, and you may form a different view. Fiddle Faddle (talk) 16:02, 8 March 2013 (UTC)


 * You are a scholar and a gentleman I, too, felt that the article did not make the cut initially. Now it assuredly does. Fiddle Faddle (talk) 16:14, 8 March 2013 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/The DO-IT Center
Hi! I hope this is appropriate. (The Wikipedia newcomer's guide suggested it.)

You tagged my (first) article for deletion, The DO-IT Center, because you found that it failed Wikipedia's notability guidelines and described it as a "campus center." That was my fault (i.e., the DO-It Center is notable; I failed to properly present and cite the material). I used your critique to address the issue of notability by adding additional information on DO-IT's nationwide and international programs, Awards, Impact, etc. I also replaced "self-sourced" citations with notable third-party citations (New York Times, Seattle Times, etc.). If you have any feedback on other ways I can improve the article, please let me know.

Thank you, AlmostRutger AlmostRutger (talk) 19:55, 8 March 2013 (UTC)
 * This is certainly highly appropriate! The ongoing Article for Deletion discussion is the best place to make your case. If it passes the AfD, then the place for the discussion is the talk page of the article itself. -- Orange Mike &#x007C;  Talk  19:58, 8 March 2013 (UTC)

COI questions
Hey Mike, I'm currently working on a draft rfc to help nail down policy on financial conflicts of interests and paid advocates. I'm curious if you think this would be fair and useful: User:Ocaasi/coiquestions. Cheers, Ocaasit &#124; c 20:15, 8 March 2013 (UTC)

Bill Luckett (businessman)
For your information, I've removed the speedy deletion tag from Bill Luckett's article. It's been there for two years and has survived articles for creation. I think articles for deletion would be a more sensible fate for it.-- Laun  chba  ller  21:10, 8 March 2013 (UTC)

Nomination of Jenna Rose for deletion
A discussion is taking place as to whether the article Jenna Rose is suitable for inclusion in Wikipedia according to Wikipedia's policies and guidelines or whether it should be deleted.

The article will be discussed at Articles for deletion/Jenna Rose (4th nomination) until a consensus is reached, and anyone is welcome to contribute to the discussion. The nomination will explain the policies and guidelines which are of concern. The discussion focuses on high-quality evidence and our policies and guidelines.

Users may edit the article during the discussion, including to improve the article to address concerns raised in the discussion. However, do not remove the article-for-deletion notice from the top of the article. Rogerthat94 (talk) 10:39, 9 March 2013 (UTC)

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WWE signature moves
Could use some comments at the above article..been open a week and no one has come lol. Hell In A Bucket (talk) 02:29, 11 March 2013 (UTC)

Big battle and apparent COI at NWA Hall of Fame
I just wanted to make you aware of an editing battle between User:Ericsax and User:HHH_Pedrigree at NWA Hall of Fame. Ericsax has made dozens of edits (adding championship titles for wrestlers) to the article since October and then HHH has reverted all of those edits in two reverts of about 37,000 bytes last month and 20,000 today.. I have no idea if Ericsax's content is appropriate for the article or not (HHH thinks it's "too much") but in the past few hours Ericsax has added back all the content that HHH removed, and he wrote an edit summary which is essentially an admission of a conflict of interest, as well as a huge misunderstanding about who "controls" Wikipedia articles. His edit summary says, "Please do not undo this again. I have the permission of the NWA to put all the NWA titles the NWA Hall of Fame Member has won." So it appears that Ericsax works for, or has a close association with, the NWA, and mistakenly believes that the NWA controls the content of the article. I just wanted to make an administrator aware of this situation. --76.189.111.2 (talk) 01:01, 11 March 2013 (UTC)


 * Update: The battle continues. See this revert of 21,000 bytes. --76.189.111.2 (talk) 11:34, 11 March 2013 (UTC)

I want you to understand that I have the permission of the NWA owners to put ALL the NWA titles that the NWA Hall of Fame member won in the NWA. HHH Pedigree originally deleted my work after the new members were announced last year.

If HHH pedigree believes that the NWA Hall of Fame page should not include all the titles from the NWA, then the WWE Hall of Fame page should not include any references from the NWA, AWA, Mid-South or anywhere else. It should be focused on what that person in his accomplishment in the WWE, not the NWA, AWA or others.

Last year, the NWA allowed a small number of people including myself on a committee on Facebook call the NWA HOF Committee, to help decide who was going to be inducted into the NWA Hall of Fame last year.

I am not sure if you are a wrestling fan or not. I will use this as my example, if you asked either Dory or Terry Funk, Harley Race, Ric Flair, Dusty Rhodes (or his sons Cody and Dustin), Jerry Brisco (brother of Jack), Sabu (nephew of the Original Sheik), the family of Freddie Blassie, and many others that they would want to have all of their NWA titles they won on the page of the NWA Hall of Fame.

Please understand that until the 1990s, the NWA only controlled 2 titles for the men (World Heavyweight and World Junior Heavyweight) and the NWA Womens title. All the other titles were company titles.

I have had a private discussion with one of the NWA owners on Facebook over the weekend and quoted this to me "Thanks for your efforts to fix the wiki page" on Saturday at around 11:00 am.

I sent a message to HHH Pedigree about this as well.Ericsax (talk) 15:51, 11 March 2013 (UTC)ericsax
 * I want you to understand that we don't care what "permissions" NWA does or does not delude themselves they can grant for edits to Wikipedia. I further want you to understand that your close connection with this subject means you should not be editing this article, or those on the competitors to the NWA. I am not a wrestling fan; but the word of Dusty Rhodes or Jerry Brisco has no more relevance here than that of Snooki, Silvio Berlusconi or Pinkie Pie has to the articles on their areas of fame. -- Orange Mike &#x007C;  Talk  16:11, 11 March 2013 (UTC)
 * I answered in the talk page. The Wikiproject only put the most notable championships, not all the championships. If Dusty Rhodes won the NWA WHC, we put it, but we don't put if he won 30 regional, no notable championships. --HHH Pedrigree (talk) 16:43, 11 March 2013 (UTC)


 * Ericsax, your comments, particularly the opening sentence saying that you "have the permission of the NWA owners" to add certain content to the article, indicate that you either have not read Orange Mike's comments on the NWA Hall of Fame talk page, misunderstood them, or are inexplicably choosing to ignore them. The NWA and its representatives have absolutely no say in how the article is edited. The article belongs to Wikipedia, not the NWA. The NWA has zero authority over the article's content. In fact, they have a gigantic conflict of interest, as Mike clearly pointed out. So even if you in fact had "a private discussion with one of the NWA owners", it is meaningless. Article content is completely controlled by Wikipedia's volunteer editors, based on the encylopedia's policies and guidelines. I have no opinion on whether the content you want to add to the article is worthy of inclusion or not, but you are welcome to to discuss it on the article's talk page with other editors in order to achieve a friendly and productive consensus. In any case, I'd strongly suggest that you stop invoking any personal connection you may have to the NWA; it's only hurting your cause. Please, just listen to what Mike is telling you. You should not only stop editing articles about the NWA, but also those about its competitors. 76.189.111.2 (talk) 16:43, 11 March 2013 (UTC)


 * Mike, then I would the same thing to apply to HHH Pedigree about any editing I may do. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ericsax (talk • contribs) 20:17, 11 March 2013 (UTC)
 * I don't understand your question, Eric. -- Orange Mike &#x007C;  Talk  22:27, 11 March 2013 (UTC)
 * Ericsax, Mike can certainly respond, but what exactly do you mean when you say that the "same thing" should apply to HHH about any editing you do? You are the one who has acknowledged having a direct, personal connection to an owner of the NWA. --76.189.111.2 (talk) 21:31, 11 March 2013 (UTC)

Medgar Evers
Hi Mike--I was asked on my talk page to look into recent edits. I haven't looked at various talk pages there (so I don't know if you've taken action yet), but the edits themselves have a high "holy shit" content. Drmies (talk) 18:37, 11 March 2013 (UTC)
 * I've reverted the offending editor and warned him/her about spurious accusations of vandalism and incivility/personal attacks, D-ro: mi esperas ke ĉi-tiu sufiĉos. -- Orange Mike &#x007C;  Talk  18:41, 11 March 2013 (UTC)
 * Ve shall c, Mr. Mike. Thanks, Drmies (talk) 18:46, 11 March 2013 (UTC)

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Re: Shout! Factory
I'm not the one who treating the article on Shout! Factory as a catalog. FilmandTVFan28 (talk) 23:36, 11 March 2013 (UTC)
 * I never said you were. However, in saying "People do need to know which albums, films, and TV series the company had released. That's why I believe that information should be restored and never be removed" you are advocating that we should serve as a catalog. That kind of reasoning gives the spammers an excuse. -- Orange Mike &#x007C;  Talk  03:25, 12 March 2013 (UTC)

Hoplophobia and homophobia
Hi Mike I would love to have a discussion/debate with you how I feel that your removing my editing was in fact disruptive as it shows a possible political agenda. If the two words which came into use at approximately the same time are both not listed as "pejorative neologism" then neither should be. I was not trying to be disruptive, rather I felt that the same standard should be applied to both words.

Thanks in advance for what I hope can be very civil debate/discussion

Jeff-mn (talk) 11:04, 12 March 2013 (UTC)
 * The histories of the two terms are totally different, and must be addressed separately. Cooper, sole coiner of the word "hoplophobia", openly admitted from the git-go that with he was making up a cute pejorative, a term calculated to imply that his political opponents were neurotic if not insane. If you feel the article on the term "homophobia" needs improvement, discuss it on that term's talk page. For all I know, you might be right about that word (though bluntly I doubt it); make your case in the appropriate forum. I do know that that term has a much more complex history, one I myself am not interested in going into; see WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS. -- Orange Mike &#x007C;  Talk  14:36, 12 March 2013 (UTC)


 * OK I have posted to there but also I will post a similar thing here as there is obviusly some very strong emotions from you. You to quote your page are: "... a Wikipedia administrator," they why you didn't follow the guidelines WP even someone as new as me has found? First that was my first edit ever, yet I was told by you that disruptive editing would lead to me being blocked from editing yet I did exactly what WP:Introduction says to do "Don't be afraid to edit – anyone can edit almost every page, and we are encouraged to be bold! Find something that can be improved and make it better—for example, spelling, grammar, rewriting for readability, adding content, or removing non-constructive edits"  Also I read on WP:Bite Dont bite newbies - well after getting that from an admin who is in the top 400 editors I do feel that you bit me.  Also it seems you assumed that I was not honestly doing this in good faith as it says an admin should do. WP:DSAN.  I was.  I do admit rather stupidly I missed the talk page (I see it now) and will propose there.  If I could figure out who to complain to a council of admins (surely something like that must exist) regarding my greievnce I would. If this is not where I should post this then please point me to where I should.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jeff-mn (talk • contribs) 11:13, 13 March 2013 (UTC)

COI template
I have initiated a discussion at Village Pump Proposals regarding applying Template:COI editnotice more broadly, in order to provide advice from WP:COI directly onto the article Talk page. Your comment, support or opposition is invited. Cheers. CorporateM (Talk) 19:46, 12 March 2013 (UTC)

Invitation to join Wikiproject Conflict Resolution
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Unblock on Slipperywhistle (formerly known as Honeypowerclive)
Hello Orangemike. This is a notice to inform you that I have unblocked a user that you blocked, named User:Slipperywhistle (formerly known as User:Honeypowerclive), as they have promised not to repeat the behaviour that got them blocked. I have indicated to them that if they go back on their promise, they may be blocked indefinitely again. Thanks. --(ʞɿɐʇ) ɐuɐʞsǝp 17:51, 13 March 2013 (UTC)

COI on white supremacist article
Apparently the subject of Jamie Kelso has returned to "white wash" the article about himself. I reverted their changes (both as an IP and using their named account) for several policy based reasons. Would you mind looking in to it as well? I really don't want to get drawn into a revert war with them and have reverted their changes as much as I plan to.  He  iro 02:40, 15 March 2013 (UTC)

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user cazimir - your note
orangemike - I wasn't using this account but used it for some additions to historic/geographic articles and just through mindlessly continuing, you are right in that a conflict of interest has developed that now looks rather stupid, for which I apologise. I'm afraid that's the process of wanting to be contributive but learning wikipedia, making mistakes, and having two young kids - although none of those excuse. I've done a bit of reading since receiving your user talk note, before replying. A lot of that I should have done when picking up things at the beginning, but life sadly doesn't happen like that.

In reference to the Frink School article, it was reasonable for one of the former students of a small independent school allied to one of the important British sculptors to place it in context, but it now looks a conflict as all the non-notable alumni have disappeared following your edit except a link to what is now me. It would be better with no mentions of prior students at all. I think there is other evidence to support the School's 15 year history, and the alumni are not the reason for its notability in art historic terms, I think.

More importantly, I'm concerned about the objectivity of posts of anything that I've edited that has concerned a link to JE... do you want me to review this myself, or suggest how I liase over this? I think about 80% of my edits are concerning other sculpture or art or heritage related subjects, and just general corrections when I happen to be browsing. On the other items where COI must have existed, I'm fastidious about the objectivity of independent/public domain references...(i.e. some recent additions to the JE page, where the most obvious, blunt conflict exists) but of course even my objectivity will be subjective.

A salutory lesson, but please advise what is best course of action and I'll put some time to it. I'll hopefully be a better editor as a result, if given the chance. You'll have to advise what is best course of action with the user... do I just continue but make well sure I'm not doing anything with close connections, or do I need to end this user account? Please advise...

sorry/kind regards Cazimir (talk) 21:10, 15 March 2013 (UTC)

Arthur Alan Wolk
Just wanted to make you aware of a heated battle at Arthur Alan Wolk. See the discussions at BLPN and on the article's talk page. Hopefully, you can intercede. --76.189.111.2 (talk) 01:46, 16 March 2013 (UTC)

Anita Sarkeesian
I only removed a part of the header because I thought it was somewhat misleading and irrelevant, but no matter. — Preceding unsigned comment added by GamingWithStatoke (talk • contribs)
 * I'm genuinely puzzled: in what way did you think it was misleading or irrelevant? Most Kickstarter proposals don't generate death threats and "Beat Up The Project Person" games. -- Orange Mike &#x007C;  Talk  17:53, 16 March 2013 (UTC)

Hello, was wondering if you could weigh in on -
Hello! -

I was wondering if you could weigh in on, if you have the time, on inclusion of articles containing critisims as well as accolades of a politician. Your comments on the talk page of Gov Scott Walker were quite good. In this case it is another governor, item 14 Bias on the Talk Page, thanks!Patriot1010 (talk) 18:02, 16 March 2013 (UTC)

John La Fave
Hi MIke, I'm happy to discuss the article with you on the talk page []. Cheers! -- — Keithbob • Talk  • 00:53, 17 March 2013 (UTC)

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Ralph Drollinger
Hi Mike, I was wondering if you'd be able to comment on User:AccuracyInPosting's continued use of court documents as sources. This seems like a clear violation of WP:OR especially given the contentious nature of this BLP. AccuracyInPosting's continued editing, all with the purpose of presenting Drollinger in a positive light is troubling to me. I'm considering bringing it up at ANI, but thought I'd drop you a line first. -- Daniel (talk)  22:54, 16 March 2013 (UTC)

Hi Mike; I would think the Wiki world would be desirous of utilizing objective, accurate information in the construction of a BLP? Please explain why verifiable court documents are not allowed? Plus could you remove the headers on this BLP -- there as been no discussion. — Preceding unsigned comment added by AccuracyInPosting (talk • contribs) 14:34, 18 March 2013 (UTC)

Was wondering if I could get your take on -
Hi Mike - dealing with a weird one here, an interesting neferious sock/meatpuppeteer:

Sorry for the Alt, but I know the Subject is watching my main account. Was looking for a "sanity" check if this type of situation is "normal" or should get outside intervention.

User A opens a RFC, asking to keep, move or edit/change a constentious sentance.

User A: Remove

User B: Remove (And was WP:Hounded with revert by User D on another article Talk page, corrected by a 3rd party)

User C: Remove

User D: Retain

User E: Retain

User F: Reword to make less contentious - provides an example sentence.

User G: Reword to make less contentious


 * User B tweaks User F Sentence.

User E: Agrees with re-word edit.

User A: Agrees with re-word edit.

User B: Agrees with re-word edit.

User F: Agrees with re-word edit and asks why User A "Made a new account to just fight this one issue.".

User G: Agrees with re-word edit.

User D: Makes no attempt at compromise.

Per WP:EDITCONCENSUS - the process appears to be an edit is made since we found a compromise.

User B makes the compromised edit to the article. User D reverts stating consensus has not occurred, use talk - but does not make any contributions, says what is wrong etc....

User A, the one who initiated the RFC suddenly turns red (No longer exists) - possible hack - user had no history of abuse/etc..(Is there any way to check for banned/blocked users quickly?)

User B gets a DNS Poison attack, with google redirecting what looks like the Wikipedia page - but its the foundation page. (Unknown to all) Cleans DNS issue and still "kickin"

User E ....suddenly request formal closure, since there is no consensus....which is weird, that user agreed with the tweaked sentence a day before.

So looking for your take - is this situation weird or is it just me? What actions (if any) would you recommend?MrSmith90210 (talk) 05:46, 18 March 2013 (UTC)

Unblocked Havenhurstbooks
Hi Mike. I've unblocked User:Havenhurstbooks to allow a change of name - there's nothing whatsoever in their history to suggest that they're actually representing the company "Havenhurst Books", so I'm inclined to believe their explanation that they're a bibliophile who live on Havenhurst. I'm guessing you'll be okay with that; if not, feel free to reblock and excoriate me on my talkpage. All the best, Yunshui 雲 ‍ 水  09:23, 18 March 2013 (UTC)

Scott Atran COI
The subject has apparently been editing his own article as an IP (64.131.188.170). See this BLP/N thread he started and his edit history. --76.189.111.2 (talk) 14:50, 18 March 2013 (UTC)

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You made it!
You made my funny stuff page. --I dream of horses If you reply here, please leave me a message on my talk page. @ 17:40, 19 March 2013 (UTC)
 * Yes that is an OM classic - made me laugh too.--ukexpat (talk) 17:59, 19 March 2013 (UTC)

How to look for the history of edits of deleted articles.
a) What places are there to check for the history of edits to a deleted article?...

b) For example, ? Where can be found the history of the edits to the deleted article Recovery Is Possible Recovery Is Possible

> Only those with Admins rights are able to access deleted pages. You can email an admin, and request for them to retrieve the information for you. There is no way a non-admin can access these pages. : (talk) 14:05, 20 March 2013 (UTC)

Please retrieve deleted Recovery Is Possible. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Don warner saklad (talk • contribs) Thank you !
 * Please retrieve the revisions "history" of deleted http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Recovery_Is_Possible

Bill Luckett
I'd be more inclined to restore the pre-gutted version. Carrite (talk) 02:11, 21 March 2013 (UTC)

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BLP Help!
Hey there! You look like just the guy I was looking for! S0 I am new and my first post has recieved some BLP criticism. I believed I made it about as nuetral, fact based and relevant as possible but still recieved a tag today. Any advice is greatly appreciated! I just want to make sure that unbiased, factual pictures are painted of the topics I wish to help build. Topic concerning John Dewey Academy. Troutbum898 (talk) 01:27, 22 March 2013 (UTC)


 * Hey again. I must say I had asked many others to read and review my post. They had all given a thumbs up and much pain has once again been felt by many at the deletion of it once again.  We had some victims all rejoicing last night at the many nods of approval we had received.  It is the small victories we take pride in as fighting against victim-blaming (especially amongst minors) and rape/abuse cover up (especially in schools/churches). This is an uphill battle to say the least.  We need to come to an agreement on this topic.  1.)  How the model of therapy used at a therapeutic school is wrong to even delineate I have a hard time understanding.  I said nothing positive or negative about it and cited the published books written by the faculty of JDA promoting these methods.  Some people promote Attack/Confrontation Therapy (though never has a single study been done to say it works though many have proven its damaging impact on peoples lives, I could also lead you to sources from the APA citing these facts) some people do not promote or accept it and in the industry it remains very. very controversial.  This is why I think it is important for it to be delineated and part of the picture regarding an unbiased encyclopedic portrait of JDA. Either way, I left it up to the reader to decide. Each book I cited even refers to case examples in JDA.  This to me seems like an exceptional source.  I even had the link open up to the pages that directly reference Attack/Confrontation Therapy.  2.)  How rape and abuse at a school for vulnerable teens perpetrated by faculty in an incredible power position can not be included in the full, unbiased story is also hard for me to understand.  I only stated that it had happened and even gave the Perp his own voice in defending himself. 100% neutral.  Again, I gave a link to an article that refers to the crimes committed.  I only stated that these horrific crimes had happened, quoted the Perp in defending himself, gave factual links so readers could investigate on their own and come to their own opinion as to whether it is good, bad or however they choose to interpret the crimes. So where do we go from here? I think a conversation regarding this topic is incredibly important and for every victim past present and future a answer regarding rape/abuse cover-up should be delineated.  Troutbum898 (talk) 15:00, 22 March 2013 (UTC) — Troutbum898 (talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic.
 * We need information from reliable sources, not blogs and attack websites. Where is the press coverage?
 * This should be discussed on the article's talk page. Did you not notice that I raised these issues on the article, to be discussed at talk?
 * Please read this guideline and this essay. -- Orange Mike &#x007C;  Talk  15:02, 22 March 2013 (UTC)


 * You seem to be confused. I only cited a newspaper and two published books never a blog or attack website. Are you confusing this with another case? We have moved the convo also to the Teahouse and seem to have an agreement between many people except you.  I hope we can all agree one day!  Troutbum898 (talk) 20:38, 22 March 2013 (UTC)

You need coffee (or sleep)
on the (non)-block of User:Melicband. -- Alexf(talk) 13:03, 22 March 2013 (UTC)
 * Sleep? My wife just broke her leg; I'm not getting a lot of sleep. (Probably should have had another Mountain Dew, though.) -- Orange Mike &#x007C;  Talk  15:02, 22 March 2013 (UTC)

Why did you delete the crest (rap group) page, can it be restored?
Sorry to ask as it's going back more than a few years, I'm hoping you remember why you deleted the entire page though as now I can't find anything on the group here and information is scarce elsewhere. Can the page please be restored as I'd love to actually know how many albums they've released (if it's mentioned?) and I'd also love an explanation as to why you deleted the page in the first place. Thanks

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Crest_%28rap_group%29 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 122.107.170.244 (talk) 14:18, 22 March 2013 (UTC)
 * It was an article about a band with no credible assertion of notability, consisting of a list of their self-published albums copied off their MySpace page. -- Orange Mike &#x007C;  Talk  14:55, 22 March 2013 (UTC)

Question about reverting
I would like to revert this users edit see this diff back to the user User:VIAFBot but the user that made the vandalism edit was an IP address as shown in the history logs, the thing is that also since that edit the User:Addbot did the migration removal of the Wikidata Projects interwikilinks for that page witch is a legitimate edit. So I can't revert it as under vandalism. How should I go about reverting it to before the Vandalism but without wiping the history of the Addbot edit? I know this is confusing but if you need some help in maybe explaining things better let me know. And I will try to explain better. --Clarkcj12 (talk) 04:04, 23 March 2013 (UTC)
 * You can't do a simple revert. What you'll have to do is restore the lost content by re-editing the current version to the clean version. Then, do an edit summary saying something like, "restoring content removed by IP vandal on date X". -- Orange Mike &#x007C;  Talk  12:35, 23 March 2013 (UTC)

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Discussion Spam
Can you look at this [] and give a comment? Hell In A Bucket (talk) 08:37, 23 March 2013 (UTC)

Ponka-We Victors
Many thanks for your comment. The Kansas State Library has a database of the Kansas Legislators Past and Present-you might want to check that out. On a personal note-how is your wife doing? You mention she broke her leg. Please tell her to get well along with my greetings.RFD (talk) 15:20, 23 March 2013 (UTC)
 * She slipped and fell on the ice at UW-M, where she works. She'll be out of work for 6-8 weeks minimum (fractured tibia up by the knee). Even Scott Walker can't keep her from getting worker's comp on this one (she works for Parking & Transit, ironically enough). -- Orange Mike &#x007C;  Talk  16:32, 23 March 2013 (UTC)

Re: blocking of user VHlab
Hello Orangemike, I was disappointed today to learn that you blocked my username VHlab. I understand you believe there is an apparent COI, despite the fact that we are a non-profit, open access group sharing many of the values of Wikipedia (dissemination freely of knowledge and education). How can I access the code/markup of the sandbox of the user VHlab? Would it be possible to have it sent to me somehow? I can no longer access the revision history of the sandbox. Thank you, Ryan — Preceding unsigned comment added by 128.101.136.10 (talk) 19:17, 11 March 2013 (UTC)
 * I can't speak for Mike, but it seems that this is a pretty clear-cut case. First of all, your account was blocked because it violated our username policy: Username policy. Second, the page you created, The Atlas of Human Cardiac Anatomy, was both promotional and contained a huge amount of copyrighted material which could, in addition, only be described as promotional (and could, conversely, in no way be described as neutral). Third, one wonders what content you wish to access, since most of it was copied from pages such as this one and this one. If it's the coding you wish to preserve, that's unfortunate, but the page as you had created it was in no way acceptable for Wikipedia anyway. I hope this answers your questions. You are welcome to contribute under a new username, as long as you make sure that your edits are neutral and follow our guidelines. Thank you, Drmies (talk) 20:06, 11 March 2013 (UTC)
 * As Drmies says, just because you are a non-profit does not exempt you from following our rules about corporate role accounts, etc. Wikipedia is not here to promote your cause, however noble you perceive it to be. Our strictures on self-promotion make no exception for non-profits. -- Orange Mike &#x007C;  Talk  22:25, 11 March 2013 (UTC)

I understand, but would like to access the coding anyway. Is there a way to do this? BTW Drmies, you're extremely rude- would you address me this way if we were talking in person? Simply no need for it. I understand now from Orangemike that I was in violation of the terms and appreciate his respectful and educating responses. I didn't read the hundreds of pages of documentation before creating my first page. I'm sure it's frustrating to you and the community that people do exactly what I did. It is funny though because so many of the corporate/political/individual pages are created by employees obviously...

I apologize, but give me a break Drmies. I was actually pretty pumped about being able to contribute to the community since an expert in varied fields, but this is a quite souring experience. Drmies- what was not neutral about the article that I wrote? It simply explained the utility, process, and content of the website. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 128.101.136.10 (talk) 20:31, 12 March 2013 (UTC)
 * Non-neutral content that doomed the piece included the repeated "generous"-"generous"-"generosity" shout-outs to donors; the repeated use of the ® symbol (forbidden here); and self-lauding phrases like "a wealth of information". That's one reason, frankly, I'm reluctant to send you the prior version, since it strikes me as a poor role model. (That, and the use of copyrighted material.)
 * "so many of the corporate/political/individual pages are created by employees obviously"? Alas, you are right. That, in fact, is why we are so harsh and precipitate when we spot such conflicts-of-interest.
 * Believe me: we really are eager to get the help of subject-matter experts here, and I hope your little brush with the buzz saw does not keep you from helping in ways that don't impinge on our COI and copyright policies. -- Orange Mike &#x007C;  Talk  20:48, 12 March 2013 (UTC)

Hi Orangemike, thank you again for the kind response. If there were a way to get access to the code I would greatly appreciate it. I will not be re-posting this article myself, as I'm sure it would be a waste of time. I would like the code for future reference on formatting. Regarding the copyrighted material I was in the process of filing the documentation needed for free use per CC-BY-SA 3.0 after the page was deleted (When I uploaded the files I listed that I am the copyright owner and didn't realize that this was not sufficient since it is in an option when you upload. I'm still confused by this to be honest.). I was wondering, is there an acceptable way to have a page made by someone neutral- e.g., could I ask a student who is not involved with the project to create the page? This may be getting into technicalities, but hardly think calling organ donors generous is being non-neutral-- I do agree that there is self-lauding that should not have been included and the user can draw their own opinion as to the value of the content. Thank you again for the educating posts! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 128.101.136.10 (talk) 16:14, 15 March 2013 (UTC)

Hi Orangemike, should I take your non-response as a 'no' to be able to get the text/markup from the page/sandbox that was deleted? Thanks again. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 128.101.136.10 (talk) 15:31, 25 March 2013 (UTC)

Oversight Needed?
Greetings.

Would you say that | this diff is worth oversighting? I'm asking you because you were the one that blocked user:Zantessadvancetelecommunications for some kind of attack campaign or something. MIVP - (Can I Help?) (Maybe a bit of tea for thought?) 23:33, 23 March 2013 (UTC)
 * Yep, it's a hater/crusader account. I'd say the edit deserves oversighting; but I can't do anything today (complications as mentioned in item one header above this one). -- Orange Mike &#x007C;  Talk  14:56, 25 March 2013 (UTC)
 * Wholeheartedly agree; I've revdel'd the edit and contacted oversight to request full supression. Yunshui 雲 &zwj; 水  15:06, 25 March 2013 (UTC)

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Block of Ctb500
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Tennessee - Milwaukee
You moved away from "Southern Politics" to the land of McCarthyism!!! Brilliant! lolololo!!!2001:558:6007:27:7992:7DA3:D702:EE6A (talk) 22:23, 26 March 2013 (UTC)
 * Milwaukee is also the home of the Sewer Socialists, including my dear brother in Christ the late Frank Zeidler; and Wisconsin was also the home of Wisconsin Progressive Party. -- Orange Mike &#x007C;  Talk  23:42, 26 March 2013 (UTC)

Someone rapidly deleting my creation
Medu321 (talk) 22:47, 26 March 2013 (UTC)) I (medu321)have some problem, someone again and agin deleting and changin my articles. I ahve a graphically created image, indicating all my problems those I am facing for 2 month. please, let me email ID at [redacted]

Please, I need administrative assistance (moved from the User page)
This is an Open Challenge regarding the Wikipedia article reference as entitled: Aminul Haque Wasel Maizbhanderi which we have written but someone send an objection to the authority of the Wikipedia; not to accept any article named: Aminul Haque Wasel Maizbhanderi. Moreover, they are rapidly changing the list of Khalifa’s of the Universal Sufi Saint Ahmed Ullah Maizbhanderi. Their act of changing without submitting any reference is totally contrary to the Wikipedia terms and conditions. Note: Delowar Hossain Maizbhandari was an evidently initiated Sufi Disciple and mostly younger nephew of Aminul Haque Wasel Maizbhanderi. This is a published documentation as we remarked indicating the historically famous published Sufi Book, 'Alakar Renesar Joogeer Akti dik' which was written by Delwar Hossain Maizbhanderi himself. Moreover, within a day or two, we shall upload the book cover and original page by scanning which was published under the superintendence of the author’s sons as well as the authority of Maizbhander Dorbar Sharif More than 25 years before. If there any one belonging even a single contrary document, please, let you write, denote or come in a web conference at any time from all around the world (Contact through: wwww.rahebhander.org). Please, don't repeat changing without submitting any document/ reference. Please, I need administrative assistance of the Wikipedia at [redacted]. I have a graphically created image, indicating all my problems. so, please, provide me email ID.
 * I have moved this comment from the user page to the talk page (and redacted personal content info) -- TRPoD aka The Red Pen of Doom  23:02, 26 March 2013 (UTC)
 * Medu, you appear to be attempting to publicize this upcoming book; what else precisely you are trying to do I am unable to comprehend due to your confusing and promotional language. I will point out, however, that the subject of an article is not regarded as a reliable source of information about himself.

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White noise online is real!
Not to be rude but there is a game called white noise a tale of horror, you can find this game on the xbox360 in the indie game channel with a price of only 80 microsoft points which is equivalent to $1.00 it's still a work in progress and I kindly ask you to not use prejudgment before you place a deletion template on it. If you do not know what the game is then research it then--Indienews (talk) 15:22, 29 March 2013 (UTC)

Despite having a high blood pressure, i am trying my best to make it a okay article but i still can't find a refrence for the page so that's why i am still having trouble with it along with some citations that need to be addressed.--Indienews (talk) 15:57, 29 March 2013 (UTC)
 * If there are no references to it in reliable sources, then that's a pretty strong indicator that it is not notable, and there should not be an encyclopedia article about it. Many things are real but not notable. -- Orange Mike &#x007C;  Talk  17:26, 29 March 2013 (UTC)

I am sorry about my outburst i attend to be overprotective on a certain topic, your right it was not prejudgement or assertion it was because it lacked noteability...thats something i really lack in and sorry to intrude on your work its a big website that i am still learning.--Indienews (talk) 17:53, 29 March 2013 (UTC)
 * Apology fully accepted; no ill will attaches! You can't be "insubordinate" because you're not my subordinate; we're both just editors - I just happen to be a guy who's been entrusted with the Mop-and-Bucket of adminship.
 * Face it: a lot of indie games are like self-published books: not notable and not likely ever to be notable. That doesn't make them bad or worthless; nothing wrong with exploring that end of your chosen pursuit. -- Orange Mike &#x007C;  Talk  20:04, 29 March 2013 (UTC)

i feel discouraged i thought i was doing the right thing for this game but instead i feel like i violated the law, one of the users replied to me about the failed article that i made but i want to help and educate gamers instead i get this guy who seriously doubts me about my editing. i felt like cussing him out for saying that to me but i will get in trouble for that so i guess i got to be a pin-cushion for him--Indienews (talk) 22:46, 30 March 2013 (UTC)

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You've been conscripted!
Hey Mike--

Toby Higbie of the UCLA History Dept. is going to have a course in the coming term (begins Tuesday) in which he's going to assign each person in his 100 student class to write or improve a Wikipedia article on the biography of a labor or political leader, union, or other political institution. I've told him I'd try to round up four or five sympathetic Wikipedians to be available to answer any questions the students during the term. The assignment is due May 30 and college students being college students, it can reasonably be expected that the bulk of the queries will happen in the week or two prior to that date. May I list your WP talk page as a contact address for them? Please do let me know. Best, —Tim /// MutantPop@aol.com /// Carrite (talk) 23:26, 31 March 2013 (UTC)
 * You bet! -- Orange Mike &#x007C;  Talk  21:09, 1 April 2013 (UTC) (B.A. History 2004 magna cum laude at UW-Milwaukee)

Care to take on a project?
I just found Joel Goffin which was written in part by the subject and by a number of other editors who appear to be related to the subject. The subject appears to be notable, but the article is promotional. I'd work on fixing it up, but I already have too many wiki-projects pulling me away from my schoolwork. I was thinking of an editor who might be able to make the article neutral and you were the first to come to mind. Ryan Vesey 23:37, 1 April 2013 (UTC)

Mishapocalypse
I disagree with your use of R3 for my redirect. At the very least it should get an RfD. -- King of &hearts;   &diams;   &clubs;  ♠ 04:51, 2 April 2013 (UTC)

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Sscwmhist
Just asking that you watch User talk:Sscwmhist; this appears to be a potentially valuable contributor(s), so I've left a request asking her/them to request an unblock immediately if it's just one person instead of a role account. Nyttend (talk) 14:41, 2 April 2013 (UTC)

Mike Kernell
Thank you for fixing the "Democrat incumbent" that I missed. I am not particularly fond of that particular phrasing either. As for your question in the edit summary, the only reason there is an article on him at all is because of his son's activities right before the 2008 elections; the article was created the day before David Kernell was arrested (after the FBI interrogated him). Notice the redlink on the incumbent who beat him in 2012? I suspect that most of the TN assembly members and senators are in the same state. Unless someone goes through and systematically adds at least stub bios for everyone who has served in the state legislature, most of those people won't get articles unless they get elected to the US Congress or the state governorship. (Some states are better covered; I am pretty sure that there are several states which are complete or nearly complete for legislators elected in the past 20 years or so, but I'm not sure beyond that.) I really think Kernell's BLP (in its current tragic state) is a coatrack, but there's no way it would ever get deleted at an AFD, and partisans on both sides would be screaming about "Wikipedia whitewashing" or something similar. (rolls eyes)  Horologium  (talk) 20:03, 2 April 2013 (UTC)
 * I'm working on the Wisconsin legislature back to territorial days; I've decided to start with the minority parties first: done all the Socialists, Greenbacks, Union Labor; working on the Free Soilers, then the Populists, probably Whigs after that. I have done a few Tennessee legislators, including Republican Ray Bodiford, who beat me in 1974 (I was 20, unemployed and on food stamps; he was an incumbent and had Henry Loeb doing fundraising for him). -- Orange Mike &#x007C;  Talk  20:08, 2 April 2013 (UTC)

Adam Neylon
Hi-I started an article about Adam Neylon-he was elected to the Wisconsin Assembly in yesterday's election. You may want to look at it-Thank you-RFD (talk) 15:20, 3 April 2013 (UTC)

Thompson
Orangemike, I rearranged the sections in the Tommy Thompson article, moving things from the Criticism area to their chronological occurence. Take a look when you have a sec. It was kind of a large change. Thanks, your insight would be appreciated. Capitalismojo (talk) 19:06, 3 April 2013 (UTC)

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Komsky afd process
Just do me a favor and watch this: (this was recorded from NBC and uploaded) I know that you're right, that its not applicable based on wiki rules, but please watch it. Just tell me that you can see its a live broadcast with no commercials. I know I represent this person, but this truly happened and I'm not exaggerating anything:

https://vimeo.com/56063290 Ngoesseringer (talk) 04:57, 4 April 2013 (UTC)

Can you be man enough to admit that you are wrong? Ngoesseringer (talk) 05:12, 4 April 2013 (UTC)

Henry Loeb
I've started to clean this up -- he was mayor of Memphis on April 4, 1968 -- and I noticed it had been linked it here. Can you help? Bearian (talk) 15:51, 4 April 2013 (UTC)

Block RubiconMinerals
Hello Mike, my name is Alan Walker and I am a member of Wikimedia Canada. This evening we were contacted by the owner of the account RubiconMinerals that you had blocked. The woman is new to Wikipedia and was attempting to update/correct some factual errors on the article for the company. I realize this may be a conflict of interest, but it appears that her account was blocked without any talk page discussion. Can you expand on your reasons for blocking her account? I can't see any evidence that she had actually done anything malicious on Wikipedia. Alan.ca (talk) 00:01, 4 April 2013 (UTC)
 * User:RubiconMinerals was a violation of our username policies, as a role account, and was blocked on that basis. Additionally, her very first edit dropped this kind of promotional language into the article: " focused on the responsible and environmentally sustainable development of its Phoenix Gold Project... Rubicon is well-funded and its flagship Phoenix Gold Project is fully permitted for production.... controls over 100 square miles 65000 acre of prime exploration ground in the prolific Red Lake gold district" That's spamming. -- Orange Mike &#x007C;  Talk  03:03, 4 April 2013 (UTC)
 * Mike, I have never seen a block like this before and I can see where it's coming from, but in future, please bear in mind that sometimes there is potential that these new editors could become valued contributors to Wikipedia. We need to teach people how to use Wikipedia and give them an opportunity to learn.  Our chapter is working very hard to bring new contributors to Wikipedia and the WMF is expending a great deal funds to facilitate that effort.  Please keep that in mind when engaging with new editors.  Thank you for your hard work on maintaining Wikipedia and I hope you understand that I don't have a personal issue with your actions, but I am hoping in the future we can handle this better. Alan.ca (talk) 02:46, 5 April 2013 (UTC)
 * ? There is an entire category of block, the softerblock, for corporate role accounts that are not behaving too badly; and a harsher one, the spamuserblock, for corporate role accounts that are spamming us already. I'm sorry, Alan, but I'm well-known as having a very low tolerance for people who want to commit public relations in our articles; and I see nothing to indicate that this person is anything else but another flack with a corporate agenda. -- Orange Mike &#x007C;  Talk  02:52, 5 April 2013 (UTC)
 * there may be a potential for someone like that to become a productive contributor. ... just about the same chance there is for me to shit gold (in an environmentally responsible manner, of course). I am certain the Wikimedia foundation is not planning on spending a lot of funding on allowing Wikipedia to become a free corporate webhosting site.--  TRPoD aka The Red Pen of Doom  02:56, 5 April 2013 (UTC)

SuchThatCast
Following your block, and a certain amount of discussion on his talk page, I am minded to unblock this user. Before I do so, have you any comment to make? --Anthony Bradbury"talk" 12:01, 4 April 2013 (UTC)
 * Looks compliant to me; go ahead. -- Orange Mike &#x007C;  Talk  21:15, 4 April 2013 (UTC)

Conflict of Interest?
Hi Orangemike, A few months ago you helped me as I was creating and researching the Brad Hatfield article. Since then I've created a couple more articles. I just noticed today that the Brad Hatfield page and an older page I put up, Andrew Left, have been slapped with COI tags. No reasons are given. I'm not connected to either of these subjects, or any other subjects I've written about on Wikipedia. Can you review and, hopefully, remove those tags? (BTW, I've been working on this article -- -- for several weeks, and now I'm worried that if I post it to the article space it, too, will be given a COI tag.) Thank you in advance MartinMartin226 (talk) 19:17, 4 April 2013 (UTC)
 * I will be reverting those tags (in whole) in a moment. The editor who added them has added dozens of tags and initiated AFDs on a huge array of articles, while failing to even discuss them on the articles' talk pages. Go ahead and disregard them for now.  Horologium  (talk) 20:44, 4 April 2013 (UTC)

Terrific. Thank you so much. MartinMartin226 (talk) 20:58, 4 April 2013 (UTC)

Analog Pussy
Hi Orangemike - long time to no talk.

Jiga just emailed me about the edit you reverted on Analog Pussy it looks like a good edit to me (even though there is a COI). Would you consider reverting yourself with that edit? Callanecc (talk • contribs • logs) 23:17, 4 April 2013 (UTC)
 * Working on it; have e-mailed Jiga. -- Orange Mike &#x007C;  Talk  23:26, 4 April 2013 (UTC)

Thy Worshiper
Hello Orangemike, asked on the Help desk for some assistance in sorting out a mess they created in regards to. I'm not an administrator, so I can't see more than the few characters that show in the edit summary which say the page started with an external link. Could you tell me if there was any other content on the page, or was it most obviously without a doubt a spam page? The comments of the user suggest to me that (s)he may be entirely unaware of what they have done and not have the experience required to navigate the help pages to figure it out. If I can help them, I would be willing to do that. Thank you for your time and consideration. Technical 13 (talk) 15:08, 5 April 2013 (UTC)
 * It was shamelessly promotional; appeared to be taken from their MySpace and/or Facebook pages, etc. The author also used an infobox template from the Polish Wikipedia. Ironically, it is possible that this band is notable, if you can find a Polish speaker who does not worship them to do the work. -- Orange Mike &#x007C;  Talk  17:22, 5 April 2013 (UTC)
 * I'm going to copy-paste this discussion to the Help desk request as (minus this comment).  If you object, feel free to revert it.  Thank you. Technical 13 (talk) 17:30, 5 April 2013 (UTC)

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I retracted my statement several days ago when "JamesBWatson" told me to.
"Your recent edits to User talk:Maproom could give Wikipedia contributors the impression that you may consider legal or other "off-wiki" action against them, or against Wikipedia itself. Please note that making such threats on Wikipedia is strictly prohibited under Wikipedia's policies on legal threats and civility. Users who make such threats may be blocked. If you have a dispute with the content of any page on Wikipedia, please follow the proper channels for dispute resolution. Please be sure to comment on content not contributors, and where possible make specific suggestions for changes supported by reliable independent sources and focusing especially on verifiable errors of fact. Thank you. I strongly recommend explicitly stating on that talk page that you are withdrawing any consideration of legal action, as otherwise you are likely to be blocked from editing. JamesBWatson (talk) 10:52, 28 March 2013 (UTC"

I therefore answered the following,,,,,,,,,,,,,

"AS PER YOUR REQUEST

im withdrawing that statement at the present time,,,--Ozzie10aaaa (talk) 11:06, 28 March 2013 (UTC)"

if I need further action to retract the statement I will, I was simply upset at what seemed to be unfair tactics my another editor......--Ozzie10aaaa (talk) 15:51, 6 April 2013 (UTC)

Block of User:Ozzie10aaaa not effective
As evidenced here:, your block of User:Ozzie10aaaa was not effective. Has this user been unblocked? Gold   Standard  21:12, 6 April 2013 (UTC)
 * It appears the block never took place. Given that Ozz has withdrawn the legal threat, I'm inclined to let it ride. -- Orange Mike &#x007C;  Talk  21:17, 6 April 2013 (UTC)
 * Ok, I just wanted to check because I had started an SPI on him here. I believe it is still a sockpuppet policy violation even if he is now unblocked though, right?  Gold   Standard  23:04, 6 April 2013 (UTC)

Ooo you old cynic, you
looks exactly right. Who was it said "there's no such thing as bad publicity? Regards Tonywalton Talk 23:59, 6 April 2013 (UTC)

Steven Kropper
Mike, can you please advise Skropper to stop editing his own article? A few days ago, you wrote on his talk page about the article, although your comment was a little off-topic because the article has existed for four years. Anyway, just prior to you warning him, he had complained at the help desk about a couple disruptive edits to the article. That prompted another editor and I to clean up the entire article to remove all the self-promotion, puffery, and other nonsense. It looks like the article was created by a family member of his. Whether Kropper is even notable is another issue, but we just wanted to get the article cleaned up. Anyway, hopefully you can counsel Skropper about COI. Thanks a lot. --76.189.111.2 (talk) 03:05, 8 April 2013 (UTC)

An interesting FYI... the apparent family member who created the article made this edit several months later, and continued making similar edits. --76.189.111.2 (talk) 03:11, 8 April 2013 (UTC)

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Lifting the Gibraltar DYK restrictions
A couple of months ago, you opposed a proposal to lift the restrictions on Gibraltar-related DYKs, which were imposed in September 2012. Could you possibly clarify (1) under what conditions you would support a lifting of the restrictions, and (2) when you think it would be appropriate to lift the restrictions? Prioryman (talk) 20:12, 7 April 2013 (UTC)
 * If the GibralterPedia mess stops being a snicker in the U.K. media, and nobody has been pushing Gibralter-related DYKs into the queue, I'd say in a couple of years or so. -- Orange Mike &#x007C;  Talk  18:13, 8 April 2013 (UTC)
 * OK, thanks for your feedback. Prioryman (talk) 22:41, 8 April 2013 (UTC)

Any help appreciated.
Hi. Any help you can lend here: Robert Palmer (singer) - in terms of edits by User:Angel Delmore would be very much appreciated. Thanks. J. Van Meter (talk) 01:07, 9 April 2013 (UTC)

User:MartinLynnJoe
Hi Mike, my life has been distinctly short of orangeness recently, and while pondering ways to fix this problem, I thought of you. So, I would like your opinion please; what do you think of this as a Wikipedia contributions history? --Demiurge1000 (talk) 23:58, 9 April 2013 (UTC)
 * This editor is particularly interested in a specific category of the performing arts: nothing unusual or illicit about that. Me, I do a lot about state legislators. -- Orange Mike &#x007C;  Talk  14:49, 10 April 2013 (UTC)

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Political subdivisions of Wisconsin
Hi-An anon editor has been editing the Political subdivisions of Wisconsin by removing some citations and taking out sections. The anon editor revert myself saying no citations were taken out. I told the anon editor to please take this to the article's talk page and to sign uo for an account. I hope you are doing well and that your wife is recovering from that fall-thanks-RFD (talk) 22:23, 14 April 2013 (UTC)
 * Many thanks for protecting the article. Some of the changes the anon editor wanted would had change the accuracy of the article.RFD (talk) 12:35, 15 April 2013 (UTC)

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Sovereign Citizens Movement
I am trying to edit the Sovereign Citizens Movement wiki page...was warned to stop...am trying to figure out how to respond. How do I do that? Is this how? You have made this task very difficult. Did he even CHECK any of the Facts I am posting (which he is asking me to stop doing? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Harleyborgais (talk • contribs) 00:14, 17 April 2013 (UTC)
 * I am a historian by training, and understand constitutional law, which is more than you do. We are under no obligation to retain gibberish such as you posted in a reference work which people rely upon. -- Orange Mike  &#x007C;  Talk  12:35, 17 April 2013 (UTC)