User talk:Rfassbind

Photovoltaic systems
Nice work on Photovoltaic systems. All that info in the Overview section needs sources. If we can't come up with them, we should that content until we have it. Cheers. Joja lozzo  16:33, 31 August 2014 (UTC)
 * Thanks for noticing and the urgently need copy-edit. I'm planning to add citations tonight (CET), as I was just too exhausted last night from my edit;) If you have any suggestions to make, or some spare time to further copy-edit the article, I would really appreciate. Best, Rfassbind (talk) 17:19, 31 August 2014 (UTC)
 * Very nice work!! Joja  lozzo  14:59, 1 September 2014 (UTC)

Growth of photovoltaics
Wow, I just wanted to say your edits over these last months have turned 'Growth of photovoltaics' into a really good article; I remember when it was much less extensive or referenced and I think named something else. Now it's all cohesively organized and very informative. Great work! TimeClock871 (talk) 00:32, 16 October 2014 (UTC)
 * Hello and muchas gracias for your appreciation! Let me know whenever I can do something for you :) -- Rfassbind (talk) 06:04, 16 October 2014 (UTC)

Dispute resolution
I have brought up the following dispute that you are in, with the resolution board. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Energy_returned_on_energy_invested#Wikitable_EROEI_-_energy_sources_in_2013 178.167.254.22 (talk) 00:19, 16 November 2014 (UTC)

As stated on the dispute resolution board, seen as this part of my reply to you was getting a bit long. I've taken to instead replying to it here.

As for your, so called - "...comprehensive [but not peer-reviewed] criticism of Weissbach's study I found here". I don't really need to say anything on this non-peer reviewed, German state funded, author's attempt to critique the Weissbach ET AL. study. As thankfully someone already has taken that piece to task! Read Cyril R's reply found in that link, they expose each and every one of the the authors "criticisms" as fraudulent bias. As this section was getting a little too long, I cut my retort to the above link, and instead posted it on User:Rfassbind's talk page, which you can read there.

For an example of the bias in the arguments from that state funded website: They try and counter Weissbach et. al's assumed 60 year lifespan for nuclear plants by arguing - hey the oldest continuously operating commercial reactor is only 45 this year? With guess this, "Solar PV panels are [now being sold by manufacturers with a lifespan tag of] 35 years..." - Did you catch that? They give readers a demonstrated ongoing lifespan value(45+) and then throw in a paper calculated value, by the solar PV industry, of just out of the lab solar panels! Tell me, are the solar PV panels installed 1-10 years ago in Germany, even half way to the D. Weißbach et al. papers generously assumed 25 year lifespan for solar PV? Nope! Rfassbind, maybe you can help here, What is the oldest, continuously operating, and commercial Solar PV panel? The German state funded piece naturally(because of bias) shies away from being fair and doing an equivalence by giving readers the answer to that important question, obviously! These are the kind of basic arithmetic failures and displays of bias that Cyril R takes them to task on. While I don't doubt improvements are being made to Solar PV, and that's great, and hey sure maybe cutting edge panels are being sold with a manufacturers lifespan tag of "35 years", but don't forget, so are Generation III reactors being sold with "80 years" tags. So Weissbach et. al are hardly biased to have chosen an assumed 60 years for the majority of presently operating nuclear plants, and a very generous 25 years for the majority of presently operating Solar PV panels - even though the vast majority of installed solar PV panels are not even half way there. Anyways as both Cyril R(and everyone else knows) the assumed 60 year lifespan for nuclear and ~25 year lifespan for solar PV are design lifespan assumptions based upon assessments done by, and stated by their manufacturers. Unfortunately Cryril R didn't link them to the oldest reactor still operating, which is the F-1 (nuclear reactor), an infrequently operated research reactor turned on in 1946. I'll let you figure out how old that makes it. P.S it's older than Weissbach et al's conservative 60 year lifespan for nuclear power reactors, with 1940s reactor technology. To be fair, how many of the solar panels from the 1980s are still in commercial operation Rfassbind? Are there any?

If you can show us just 1 example of a solar panel with german levels of insolation from the 1980s that has been continuously operating for even 25+ years(bonus points if they're still commercial) and still pumping out ~70% of its initial nameplate/day one, rated energy supply, then I'll concede that Weissbach et al. are biased against Solar PV. Until then, good luck. 178.167.254.22 (talk) 06:57, 19 November 2014 (UTC)

List of photovoltaic power stations
Sorting by date doesn't work for month+year, only just for year. If you try to make descending sort of that column, it will sort the rows that have a year in a normal fashion, but will not sort the rows with month in it, so it becomes just useless. –– Georgij Michaliutin (talk) 13:39, 14 January 2015 (UTC)
 * Hi Georgij, yes it does sort correctly. What browser do you use, my dear fellow editor? --  R fassbind   -talk  13:41, 14 January 2015 (UTC)
 * I use latest Safari on Mac. And I also checked the latest WebKit build, it doesn't sort there either. –– Georgij Michaliutin (talk) 14:19, 14 January 2015 (UTC)
 * Sorry my bad. Reading Help:Sorting now more carefully, it seems you're probably right, as the "isoDate" attribute I used does not work in all browsers (as I suspected after your post above). I see now your point, sorry for that misunderstanding. Let me see if there is a way to preserve the info about the month (e.g. transferring it to the comment column or something like that), OK? --  R fassbind   -talk  14:21, 14 January 2015 (UTC)
 * Ok :) –– Georgij Michaliutin (talk) 14:45, 14 January 2015 (UTC)
 * Very well. I'll post my suggestions to the talk page, soon. We can continue there. Thanks for your efforts. Cheers, --  R fassbind   -talk  14:57, 14 January 2015 (UTC)

Wow
I really liked your work on Comet. The image looks awesome now. Can you do that magic again on Dwarf Planet? Tetra quark (don't be shy) 16:38, 18 January 2015 (UTC)
 * Oi tetra, tudo joia rapaz? Sure, I can group them into a single "image-collage". I've done that before here and here.
 * Dwarf Planet: since there are "only" five lead images and all of them are more or less square-shaped, there are two possibilities: either we find one more image to have a group of six symmetrically aligned images, or, one of the 5 existing images will be much larger than the others (e.g Pluto, that soon will be replaced). What you think? Also, there is already an image that compiles some dwarf planets (image here, although it does not include non-TNO Ceres).
 * Talking about comets, maybe you noticed that there are two (sub)-articles, namely Comet tail and Antitail. I think Antitail should be merged into Comet tail. What do you think?
 * Thanks for your feedback. It's the first one ever I received for the many image-compilations I've done so far. Cheers, --  R fassbind   -talk  21:02, 18 January 2015 (UTC)

I just added a 5-image-compilation on Dwarf Planet.


 * Oh, um BR! Que coincidência. Bom, ficou ótimo a compilação de images. Você poderia aumentar o tamanho delas um pouco? Tanto no Comet quanto no Dwarf Planet. Tetra quark (don't be shy) 17:10, 20 January 2015 (UTC)

BrownDwarfComparison-pia12462.jpg
You recently added to the Brown Dwarf page. I think the image is incorrect (even though it's from NASA). The Sun should be about 10 times the diameter of Jupiter, but the image shows it only as about 5 times bigger. See, further down on the page, for a better comparison. Tbayboy (talk) 14:33, 31 January 2015 (UTC)


 * Wow, yes, you're right. Good catch Tetra quark (talk) 15:16, 31 January 2015 (UTC)


 * Hi Tbayboy (and User:Tetra quark), you're very carefully, indeed! What do you suggest to do? Do you think the image in the lead of the article Brown dwarf isn't good enough to give a rough idea to the general reader? Pls let me know, thx. Cheers, --  R fassbind  -talk  15:18, 31 January 2015 (UTC)


 * As you can see, I've added a clarification in the caption of that image. I guess that should be enough. Tetra quark (talk) 15:20, 31 January 2015 (UTC)


 * Seems fair to me, thx! --  R fassbind  -talk  15:25, 31 January 2015 (UTC)


 * Okay for now -- with Tetra's change, the Brown Dwarf editors can see what the issue is. I've added the issue to the file's talk page and ping'd Kheider (the original uploader) (what I should have done in the first place, rather than doing it here), since other uses of it might want to do something as well. Tbayboy (talk) 17:00, 31 January 2015 (UTC)

Thx, let me know if there's something I can do --  R fassbind  -talk   17:04, 31 January 2015 (UTC)

Editing main table on List of possible dwarf planets
You have been making global edits to the main table on List of possible dwarf planets. I agree with the substance of the edits, but there is an issue: that table is automatically generated from a program. This allows me to do easy updates from the sources (the Minor Planet Center TNO lists and Brown's Dwarf Planets list) without having to carefully look through the sources searching for changes. When you make a change to the table, I have to update the program generate matching text so that the next update doesn't clobber your changes. (I do an update about every month, so that the numbers in the table that come from those source, and the order of the entries, don't have to be managed by hand, and so stay true to the sources.)

See the discussion about it on the talk page.

The reason for telling you this is so that you don't waste too much time editing the table when a change to the program (followed by an update from the program) only takes me a few minutes. If you're just doing a global search+replace editor function then it's okay (doesn't take you any longer to do that than it does to explain the change it to me), but if you have to individually edit a lot of lines then it's better to do it through with the program. The following columns are NOT generated automatically from the sources, so you can changes the numbers/texts there with no issue: Measured Mass, Measured Diameter, Tancredi, and Category.

The program I'm using is a Microsoft SQL Server Express script (SQL source code). I can give you the source code if you like, but you need to have and know (a little) MS SQL Server Express (freely downloadable) to do anything with it. If you have a good working knowledge of any other SQL system, you can probably port it there, too, since it's a simple program (it doesn't do anything tricky).

Furthermore, please tell me if you know a place to keep this code on Wikipedia. I tried putting it on the talk page, but the code contains wiki-markup, so it blows up the page. I just did a quick, simple test. There must be a way to do it, but I'm not that fluent in wiki-editing.

Thanks, Tbayboy (talk) 17:56, 31 January 2015 (UTC)


 * Hi,Tbayboy. Ooops, I thought there was something "strange" with the wikitable's syntax when I did my edit. That's why I let the spaces and newlines between the pipes-characters untouched. Of course, I'm sorry to have troubled your established procedure of updating the data and I very much appreciate your approach in letting me know instead of just reverting the whole shebang with a grumpy edit-note.


 * Well I'm rather the MySQL-type of web developer and with no knowledge of Microsoft but I'm curious to take a look at the code and fiddle with it if you allow me too (by the way the "possible dwarf planets" wiki-table is an excellent one). In any case if you plan to make an update any time soon, it's AOK just to paste over my changes. My intention it to improve articles and not to complicate established procedures, so when I'm misjudging the situation, it's only fair to undo my changes.


 * As for posting the code: there are three tags and templates I can think of that would be helpful in posting code, I guess:
 * the  tag helps to display the code line by line (without any wrapping of new-line characters)
 * the template  allow you to collapse text-content (hide/show) in a "spoiler-box"→see Template:Hidden begin
 * the  tag prevents wikipedia to parse the wikicode and displays the way it is on the website.
 * I guess all these together should resolve pretty much every problem. Why don't you create a user page? Add a short "Hello" and try to post your code there? I definitely would appreciate.


 * I still have to read the discussion you mentioned above. I'll do so ASAP. Let me know what you think and again, sorry I so ignorantly intruded your established procedure. --  R fassbind  -talk  19:18, 31 January 2015 (UTC)


 * No apologies necessary! This is not an established process, it's fairly new and still at the trial stage. I was expecting such a thing to happen. You can appreciate the problem of keeping all those numbers up to date and in order. You made other changes a little while ago — which I've incorporated in the program — but I didn't say anything then because I didn't recognise your handle as being a regular editor on that page, so I figured there was a good chance you might not be doing much more.


 * Thank you for the wiki-fu above. I'll try it later (I'm at work at the moment). I very much would like to have somebody else able to do the update, since it's not good for the page to rely on one person. I can switch over to MySQL if you can can port it there — another thing I was expecting might happen. I don't think there's that much difference between them, but I've never worked with MySQL. Tbayboy (talk) 21:05, 31 January 2015 (UTC)


 * I've incorporated your changes (except the Ceres thing, which is a little harder; I'll work on it later). I was able to get the code on a page and display nicely, thanks to you. You can see the current code and the resulting table in my sandbox. When I do the next update (probably next weekend), I will put the code on the List-DP talk page, replacing the current collapse text at the top which contains an old copy of the previous version of this table. Tbayboy (talk) 00:35, 1 February 2015 (UTC)


 * Well done! Thx for your efforts and I will definitely study the code in detail. CU, --  R fassbind  -talk   00:43, 1 February 2015 (UTC)

Thanks
Hi,

Thanks for your outside help mediating at dark matter. Wording disagreements are tough, since sources don't really have anything to contribute one way or the other, and it's certainly much ado about one word. —Alex (ASHill &#124; talk &#124; contribs) 02:11, 8 February 2015 (UTC)

Tonne of coal equivalent
I think you have a "million" missing in your edit:

As per the World Coal Association: 1 million tonnes of coal equivalent (Mtce) corresponds to 0.697 tonne of oil equivalent (Mtoe)[24] As per the International Energy Agency 1 million tonnes of coal equivalent (Mtce) corresponds to 0.700 tonne of oil equivalent (Mtoe)[25]

? should be

As per the World Coal Association: 1 million tonnes of coal equivalent (Mtce) corresponds to 0.697 million tonnes of oil equivalent (Mtoe)[24] As per the International Energy Agency 1 million tonnes of coal equivalent (Mtce) corresponds to 0.700 million tonnes of oil equivalent (Mtoe)[25]

Or have I got this all wrong? ThoughtIdRetired (talk) 11:37, 5 May 2015 (UTC)


 * That's correct, thank you Sir! This is what happens when an (unfinished) edit leads to another article, that needs to be edited first, which in turn requires another article to be edited, linked or redirected first. Best is not to write million at all. I amended tonne of coal equivalent accordingly. -- Cheers,  R fassbind  -talk  11:52, 5 May 2015 (UTC)

Energy in TW?
is inspired by a given source. The source indicates that the "Worlds power consumption is 16 TWy/y". This is equivelant to me stating that for my house the energy consuption is 20000 kWh/y. On your figure this has changed to "Worlds power consuption is 16 TW". Now, kW, TW etc is normally used to express power/leistung. To me it would be very unfamiliar to say that the power consumption of my house is 1950 W.

Can you explain to me why the unit is changed from TWy/y (energy per year) to TW (power/leistung)?

(Please answer on this page) Regards KjellG (talk) 12:26, 30 May 2015 (UTC)


 * Thank you. I see the problem: the label talks about energy (world energy consumption) which is represented by the sphere, while the figure right next to it displays the world's power demand (16 TW). I uploaded a revised version, that now reads "power demand of 16 TW". Hopefully, this amendment helps to clarify the diagram.
 * As you know, energy per unit time is the same as power. The units TW-yr per year (as in the original) is equivalent to the unit TW (terawatt) and both mean power, not energy (i.e. year is cancelled out). I thought adding the labels "annually" and "total reserves" on the bottom of the diagram would be a much better solution than using the non-SI-compliant version of TW-yr/year. Please let me know what you think. Cheers, --  R fassbind  -talk   14:27, 30 May 2015 (UTC)


 * I will come back with more thoughts, but will take some time. Meanwhile, this article World energy consumption seems to use TWh per year or TWh/y. The differece between TWy/y and TWh/y is only a scaling factor. I agree that TWy/y is less familiar than TWh/y, but the numbers has less digits and looks better on the figure. I can not see TW used anywhere in the World energy consumption article?   I see your point that y/y can be regarded as "1" and left out, but there are numerous papers that uses energy per day, per week, per month per year: kWh/d, kWh/w ... kWh/y. TWh/y or TWy/y is only an extension of this. Energy is the time intergal of power. By adding per bla, bla, one clearifies over what time interval the power is intergated. By graphing kW for a household, one would see a graph looking like white noise. By graphing kWh/h, or kWh/month, one would more clearly se how the power fluctuate through the day (month or year). This can be seen here, unfortunately in Norwegian. From my point of view the original paper is the best way of expressing this matter, but with a "comment" regarding TWh vs TWy. I will make a suggestion for a new figure, hopefully tomorrow eve.


 * For the renewable sources, are the values given for what has been build until now or what can be built in total? KjellG (talk) 22:57, 30 May 2015 (UTC)


 * Sure, any time. Maybe it would be helpful in the process, if you asked yourself why the author of the original diagram chose to use "terawatt-year per year", instead of the much more conventional "terawatt-hours per year". The answer is crucial for grasping the concept of the drawing. Also, I recommend to double-check with the diagram's extensive description. Cheers, --  R fassbind  -talk  00:01, 31 May 2015 (UTC)

As of December 2015, unfortunately, I haven't received a feed-back from you, KjellG. But I noticed, that you instead removed the diagram we discussed above from the articles Solar energy and Renewable energy about two weeks ago. I have now reverted your removal and posted a comment on the talk page of the latter article. Please feel free to post your reply there, OK? This thread is now closed for consistency reasons, as it would be otherwise difficult for other editors to follow our conversation chronologically. Thx --  R fassbind  – talk  16:12, 29 December 2015 (UTC)

WGPSN Redirect Request Rejected
Please consider improving the article to address the issues raised. Removing will stop the proposed deletion process, but other deletion processes exist. In particular, the speedy deletion process can result in deletion without discussion, and articles for deletion allows discussion to reach consensus for deletion. Nrwairport (talk) 06:21, 16 August 2015 (UTC)
 * Thx, I added a clarification on Talk:International_Astronomical_Union. You're welcome to join on this new section and write about it. That would be helpful. Cheers,  R fassbind  -talk  11:09, 16 August 2015 (UTC)

Rights change
Hi Rfassbind, I just wanted to let you know that I have [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special%3ALog&type=rights&user=&page=User%3A added] the "autopatrolled" permission to your account, as you have created numerous, valid articles. This feature will have no effect on your editing, and is simply intended to reduce the workload on new page patrollers. For more information on the patroller right, see Autopatrolled. Feel free to leave me a message if you have any questions. Happy editing! Sadads (talk) 17:34, 1 November 2015 (UTC) Hi Rfassbind. After reviewing your request for "rollbacker", I have [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special%3ALog&type=rights&user=&page=User%3A enabled] rollback on your account. Keep in mind these things when going to use rollback: If you no longer want rollback, contact me and I'll remove it. Also, for some more information on how to use rollback, see New admin school/Rollback (even though you're not an admin). I'm sure you'll do great with rollback, but feel free to leave me a message on my talk page if you run into troubles or have any questions about appropriate/inappropriate use of rollback. Thank you for helping to reduce vandalism. Happy editing! Sadads (talk) 17:34, 1 November 2015 (UTC)
 * Getting rollback is no more momentous than installing Twinkle.
 * Rollback should be used to revert clear cases of vandalism only, and not good faith edits.
 * Rollback should never be used to edit war.
 * If abused, rollback rights can be revoked.
 * Use common sense.

ArbCom elections are now open!
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Minor planet overlinking tag
Hi. If you look at WP:Overlink it also says that we "do not link to pages that redirect back to the page the link is on." That's a huge error on these articles. If it was one or two I would simply correct it, but I started to do that and realized there are hundreds and hundreds of links that simply go back to the same page. That can't happen and it needs to be fixed. If they don't have an article those minor planets need to be de-linked... all of them. That's why the tag is there. Fyunck(click) (talk) 09:06, 26 November 2015 (UTC)
 * Looks like you've been busy. Thanks. I'm sure there are a lot more of those articles that need it. Fyunck(click) (talk) 05:19, 30 November 2015 (UTC)
 * Sure. If the hatnote(s) had mentioned "self-redirects", then this misunderstanding wouldn't have happened. By now, I have removed these detrimental links to minor planet articles up to IAU-number 100,000, i.e all self-redirects are now removed from the first 100 main lists, starting with List of minor planets/1–1000. More to follow.  R fassbind  – talk  16:11, 3 December 2015 (UTC)
 * As of now, the lists have all self-redirects removed up to IAU-number 200,000 (also see ). From there on, subpages are no longer used. It will therefore need a modified algorithm to run checks and remove self-redirects. Hope that was informative and all the best, --  R fassbind  – talk  10:47, 30 December 2015 (UTC)

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24 partial moves
Something went wrong when you moved these old, improperly named minor planets: • (4384) Henrybuhl

• (4627) Pinomogavero

• (4738) Jimihendrix

• (4749) Ledzeppelin

• (4933) Tylerlinder

• (5326) Vittoriosacco

• (5625) Jamesferguson

• (5680) Nasmyth

• (5739) Robertburns

• (5883) Josephblack

• (6065) Chesneau

• (6721) Minamiawaji

• (6725) Engyoji

• (7693) Hoshitakuhai

• (8283) Edinburgh

• (8462) Hazelsears

• (8618) Sethjacobson

• (8633) Keisukenagao

• (8663) Davidjohnston

• (8794) Joepatterson

• (8795) Dudorov

• (8796) Sonnett

• (8797) Duffard

• (8798) Tarantino to their correct, new destination, which excludes the "". The history of the old pages did not get transferred to the new, so it will be harder for someone attempting to revert the new destination to make a proper article. I've put a note in my latest edit summaries to the new pages to identify this, but that's definitely not something we want to do on a large scale. And I put a comment inside the old to not categorize them, since they would then be duplicated in each of their categories. ~ Tom.Reding (talk ⋅dgaf) 03:44, 21 January 2016 (UTC)


 * Hi Tom, thx for spotting this. As far as I see nothing went wrong with the moves I made, because I never moved any  articles. I always moved the redirected articles from their provisional to their formal designation. For the minor planet , which you listed above, I took a closer look:


 * There are three pages (they are all redirects, pointing to the "List of minor planets"):
 * – created this article in 2010, when body still had no name.
 * – was created by a move from provisional by user on 6 September 2014. This version was later redircted by Tom.Reding on 22 April 2015 to the list of minor planets. This move should have been reverted or renamed to correct nomenclature. Implementing a redirect on this version before fixing the nomenclature only complicated things.
 * – was created by a move from provisional designation by Rfassbind on 30 November 2015‎


 * It's an unfortunate combination of different actions. As far as I see, we need to do the following:
 * transfer category info from  to   versions, which, for the example above, you already did.
 * Adding several templates to all pages with the wrong  designation, which, for the example above, you already did, as well as adding a do-not-categorize-this-page comment on the bottom. However, I would rather prefer to entirely delete such pages. For several reasons I'll explain in detail if you disagree, deleting seems a better and much simpler solution to me. What you think?


 * The final question is "how to avoid this naming chaos?". As long as there are people, who move pages to the wrong  nomenclature, with no one fixing it, while others continue to work on such wrong versions, these problems are prone to appear from time to time. After all I created (moved from provisional designation) the article   because it simply did not exist. I noticed this when I revised the "List of minor planets" (removing self-redirects). On that list, the article with the provisional was linked, so I updated the list adding the name and moved the redirecting page from provisional to final designation. Please let me know if you have any suggestions, because, on the circumstances described above, I will do exactly the same actions in my future revision over and over again. Thx --   R fassbind  – talk  09:50, 21 January 2016 (UTC)


 * Iiiii seeee. As I was fixing up those 24, I saw a semi-automated move-message and assumed it was from the ones I was fixing.


 * What I will do (and what I think we should do) in the future is: the next time we find a misnamed MP with less than a paragraph of useful info on the page, or with an infobox, to do a copy-move (temporarily un-redirect the properly named MP, paste in the useful info from the improperly named MP, then re-redirect the properly named MP and follow your rules #1 and #2). This is what I did on 3962 Valyaev. Normally, copy-moves aren't allowed b/c the history isn't preserved, but 1) who cares for a sub-stubs, 2) there won't be many like this, 3) there's no meaningful info in prior revisions worth saving.


 * Ideally, we should look for, and move, only the best available doppelganger, if possible. Otherwise, the copy-move is an ad-hoc, after-the-fact fix.


 * I've tried to delete these duplicate redirects recently, but failed. The only solution is to apply the note and remove all cats, unfortunately :/   ~ Tom.Reding (talk ⋅dgaf)  14:30, 21 January 2016 (UTC)


 * Tom, just on a quick note: we need to address the issue of double-redirects based on missing whitespaces and/or using parenthesis. This is seriously detrimental to the entire project and they must be deleted. Those who want to keep them do not understand.--  R fassbind  – talk   16:41, 21 January 2016 (UTC)
 * In addition, I also came across this Articles for deletion/(90762) 1993 TV3, from October 2013. Another example of well-meant bad ideas, this time on the other extreme (deleting named bodies).  R fassbind  – talk  11:13, 22 January 2016 (UTC)


 * I completely agree about deleting the doppelgangers, and in my RfD I was explicit on how and why these redirects were a nuisance and shouldn't be treated like every other redirect on Wikipedia. Almost all Keep votes were from non-WP:AST editors, of course. The solution, though, is doing the housecleaning above so that we effectively never "see" them, which isn't that bad of a solution (but not ideal, of course).


 * I don't really care if pages get redirected or deleted IF they only contain data already on a JPL/MP databases. Otherwise, I prefer redirection (plus redirection is just faster and less controvertial).  ~ Tom.Reding (talk ⋅dgaf)  14:03, 22 January 2016 (UTC)

Solar power
Hi Rfassbind,

could you check something for me? I just wanted to create an article Walddrehna Solar Park for the German wikipedia, when I noticed a problem. After having done some research, I think that this solar farm and the Solarpark Heideblick are in fact the same solar farm. It seems to me that the latter has been created when there was only one part of the farm connected to the grid and then there has been created another article about the complet farm some month later. I'm not absolutely sure, so I would like you to confirm that. Maybe helpful:. There's also another link, however the spam filter got active and prevented it. Also Google Earth does only show one solar farm in Heideblick. Greetings, Andol (talk) 00:15, 22 January 2016 (UTC)
 * Hi Andol, sure, I'll look into it but it may take a few days. Plz feel free to post an update here if you find any additional information in the meantime. -- Cheers,  R fassbind  – talk  09:31, 22 January 2016 (UTC)

R unprintworthy
Hi Rfass. I didn't know about this #R template until an administrator closed the RfD on 3 weeks ago. I didn't see until 2 weeks later that it's actually used on over 1.2 M redirects... So it's kind of a big deal and is being used by the community (unlike Category:Minor planet redirects, unfortunately). Now I include when I make and/or fix existing #Rs. I see you've removed it on and possibly others, though. I just want to let you know so we're not working against each other. Thanks. ~ Tom.Reding (talk ⋅dgaf) 14:10, 5 February 2016 (UTC)
 * Hi T, for several reasons, I don't think it's a good idea to add a "R unprintworthy" to all Minor Planet #REDIRECTs. I think this was the only time I came across that template in the many manual edits I did, so you're basically introducing a new template, which is detrimental to the overall consistency of the project. Cheers,  R fassbind  – talk  07:23, 6 February 2016 (UTC)
 * Consistency's important, I love consistency, and that's what I'm ultimately aiming for as well. However, just because something is consistent doesn't mean it's adequate. There should be a relatively high bar to pass before adding something to all MP #Rs, and I don't see why this would be below that, but I welcome your thoughts.  ~ Tom.Reding (talk ⋅dgaf)  14:33, 6 February 2016 (UTC)
 * Thank you, and of course, I will amend my tool to incorporate this new template as soon as possible in order to be consistent with your future edits.  R fassbind  – talk   14:44, 6 February 2016 (UTC)

Diacritics in moves to Category:Discoveries by the Palomar–Leiden survey
I'm almost done moving pages out of Category:Palomar–Leiden survey into the discoveries categories above. Of the 73 that remain, 19 get flagged by my code as having a WP name != JPL name. In this case, the WP name has diacritics while the JPL name does not. I've seen you moving pages around to and/or from diacritics, so could you move these pages to ones without diacritics too?

After that's resolved, my code will distinguish between, and move PLS discoveries (asteroids with "P-L" on JPL) to Category:Discoveries by the Palomar–Leiden survey, and PLS known-objects (the 54 asteroids without "P-L" on JPL, like 6671 Concari) into Category:Palomar–Leiden survey catalog (tentatively named, and only after double checking that 6671, and others, are indeed part of the catalog). Category:Discoveries by the Palomar–Leiden survey will of course be a child of both Category:Palomar–Leiden survey catalog and Category:Discoveries by institution, and I'll put wording in there not to duplicate.

Here's the list of WP diacritics in PLS cats that need to be moved to non-diacritical names, per JPL: •

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• Let me know if you don't have the time to move these, and I'll take care of them instead. Thanks! ~ Tom.Reding (talk ⋅dgaf) 16:44, 13 February 2016 (UTC)


 * Ugh, this problem is better than I thought.  ~ Tom.Reding (talk ⋅dgaf)  21:29, 14 February 2016 (UTC)

Tom, most of these names with diacritics are correct. I will respond on the WTAstro thread you linked above. As for the discoveries by PLS, I've decided to withdraw and leave the field to you so we don't clash with different approaches. BR,  R fassbind  – talk  00:30, 15 February 2016 (UTC)
 * Sidenote:


 * 1) Just because a minor planet has a "P-L"-designation, doesn't make it automatically a discovery by PLS. I think I saw more than one case where this was erroneously assumed.
 * 2) On wikipedia the term provisional instead of preliminary designation is generally used. (→Category:Main-belt preliminary asteroids)
 * 3) I presume your recently renamed category Category:Discoveries by the Palomar–Leiden survey does not include the discoveries from the Palomar–Leiden Trojan survey campaigns such as 12163 Manilius (3013 T-2). Until a category with a sort key instruction for these bodies has been created, I'll ignore it.


 * My comments on each point:
 * I'm thinking of using JPL and the MPC in the following way: if JPL has a P-L designation, I will assume a discovery (the vast majority of these will be true, so exceptions can be handled on a case-by-base basis); if MPC has "PLS####" for those without a JPL P-L, then those are extremely likely (if not 100%) to be non-discoveries; if neither MPC nor JPL have PLS or P-L, respectively, then I'll strip the unnecessary categories from the page. If you know of a better solution, please let me know.
 * I'll change this to reflect that.
 * I'm going to wait until after I've finished with the main survey to go after the Trojan campaigns. Otherwise I'm coding too much at once, and errors are more likely.
 * ~ Tom.Reding (talk ⋅dgaf) 16:17, 15 February 2016 (UTC)

You should be able to recognizing discoveries by PLS as long as you check the provisional designation displayed in the parenthesis of the title of JPL's website. I came across this legacy-problem. (As multiple "institutional" discoverers do not exists). Also, for the PLS category, the Category:Discoveries by Tom Gehrels should always be added (there are, however, 2 discoveries credited to the van Houten's without Tom Gehrels – if you know/find out their designation, pls let me know). Note, that I created the categories Category:Discoveries by the Palomar–Leiden Trojan-1 survey, Category:Discoveries by the Palomar–Leiden Trojan-2 survey and Category:Discoveries by the Palomar–Leiden Trojan-3 survey, since, on second thought, I otherwise would have to re-visit newly created redirects, as I've already done extensively due to the "R unprintworthy" template and the "Minor planet redirects"-category. R fassbind – talk  13:55, 16 February 2016 (UTC)
 * Found one! 2947 Kippenhahn.  ~ Tom.Reding (talk ⋅dgaf)  19:09, 10 August 2016 (UTC)
 * Unfortunately, my code isn't bidirectional&mdash;it maps JPL discoverer names to WP categories and would need major reworking to change. There are ~1,000 JPL variants to the ~400 Category:Discoveries by institution & Category:Discoveries by astronomer. Running this in reverse would only be useful if a complete list of JPL's discoverer name variants was available. Otherwise, each cat removal has to be looked at manually. Presumably, the # of misplaced discoverer cats is small, so I could go through the MPs again, once I've collected as many variants as I could, and see roughly how many there are. This doesn't apply to though.


 * I'm not sure how to handle and others like it. The best way I can come up with is to place MPC PLS objects with a provisional designation > 1970 into Category:Discoveries by the Palomar–Leiden survey, instead of into Category:Palomar–Leiden survey catalog, since the provisionals would just be rediscoveries of the PLS objects.


 * I don't feel comfortable adding a category that's not apparent in the DB, at least during a run where I'm transposing info from the DB to WP. I'd be much more comfortable doing so as a separate run, with a distinct edit summary (which frequently gets truncated when adding the van Houtens, + the other changes), so that searching for these changes would be easier, in case the need arises. Comparing cats afterwards will make it easy to find missing or misplaced cats if you know discoverers' relative # of discoveries.


 * Doing some quick cat-arithmetic (hoping, but failing, to find those 2), I see 424 pages in C. J.'s cat not in TG's, 16 uniques in TG's, and 404 common to both. These #s are identical for Ingrid's cat vs. TG's.  ~ Tom.Reding (talk ⋅dgaf)  15:03, 16 February 2016 (UTC)


 * Yes, the name variants in the JPL's displayed discovery section are really mind-boggling. Just today, I created a category for astronomer Jean Mueller, and went through 9 discoveries. I found 3 different name-variants: ... discovered "by J. E. Mueller at Palomar", "by J. Mueller at Palomar" and "by Maury and Mueller at Palomar". Not that data normalization would be something new and difficult...


 * However, I do not understand much of what you're saying, since I presume you somehow parse JPL's website in order to get discoverers. Or is there an API I'm not aware of? Would it be of any use to you if I provide you with a rest-API at my website to get all JPL data?


 * Thx for checking the van-Houten-minus-Gehrels discoveries. I'm sure by the end of the month we get a better picture. My best guess is that these two discoveries are not even related to PLS/PLTS. --  R fassbind  – talk  22:32, 16 February 2016 (UTC)


 * There's no API that I know of (though I haven't looked, since I'm parsing through WP:AWB, not from some platform I have total control over). I parse JPL's front end website itself, since that's what most people will see, and it's the easiest for me to do. I use AWB's module feature, which lets you write your own C# 3.5 or VB.Net 2.0 code ( in C# does the trick). I make the module skip pages with any unmatched authors, showing me what the unknown JPL discoverer string is. I take that string and update a spreadsheet which writes additional lines of a very long C# case-statement mapping JPL to WP, then iteratively run all the pages I skipped back through the module, gradually lowering the number of skipped pages until I'm left with a shortlist of people who've only discovered 1-2 asteroids, which I ignore.


 * A data dump of all of the basic asteroid info would be extremely useful (though less useful as I get closer to the end; I'm ~56% done so far). I was able to find this page of the first ~182,000 numbered MPs (~40% of all numbered MPs atm), which was enough to let me hit the ground running, but I need to expand on that to finish the marathon. Right now I'm able to map ~94% of asteroids to all of their JPL discoverers, but only after adding a lot of discoverer categories.  ~ Tom.Reding (talk ⋅dgaf)  22:45, 16 February 2016 (UTC)

All objects currently associated with the Palomar–Leiden survey cats and the Trojan surveys cats are now sorted into their discovery and/or survey catalog cats. I made Category:Palomar–Leiden Trojan-1 survey catalog, Category:Palomar–Leiden Trojan-2 survey catalog, and Category:Palomar–Leiden Trojan-3 survey catalog to hold non-discoveries, which are parents to their respective discovery cats. I'll continue to search for PL objects as I progress through the MPs, and on pages I've already gone though. ~ Tom.Reding (talk ⋅dgaf) 19:29, 17 February 2016 (UTC)

Category:Minor planet naming discrepancies between JPL and MPC?
I'm probably going to make this category to keep track of these annoying buggers, and more: ~ Tom.Reding (talk ⋅dgaf) 19:04, 16 February 2016 (UTC)
 * (WP = MPC != JPL)
 * (WP = MPC != JPL)
 * (WP = MPC != JPL)
 * (WP = MPC != JPL)


 * Well done. This is a very helpful comparison for revising the current status and creating aliases (I will have to map them in my online app). However, I wouldn't create a category for this, but create an alias-redirect with a template such as Template:R from modification, Template:R from alternative name, or Template:R from misspelling. What you think? As a rule of thumb, only the IAU-number at JPL matters, the name is best to be ignored...


 * Vladimirfok vs Vladimirfock: the reason for the discrepancies is a missing update in the JPL database. Originally, the name was published as in the Minor Planet Circular 64562, and then corrected to  as of MPC 64683.


 * How far up the number did you run your comparison? Could you extend that, say up to 200,000? --  R fassbind  – talk  20:42, 16 February 2016 (UTC)

I think I just bumped into such discrepancy at (JPL) vs  (MPC). I used the Template:R from incorrect name instead of one of the 3 mentioned above.


 * Absolutely, I'll go well beyond 200,000. I'll get at least as high as 385,571 Otrera, which was the highest numbered MP in Category:Minor planets as of ~a month ago.


 * I want to only operate on pages which match JPL and/or the MPC, since I'm correcting sortkeys which include the name. I'll have treat these more carefully than the ones where the names match.


 * Yes, it would effectively be a tracking category, but I'm not sure if all spelling discrepancies are #Rs, so I'll hold off on this until I get a relatively complete list of discrepancies. I'll use Template:R from incorrect name as well, since it populates Category:Redirects from incorrect names, which only has ~3,000 members. Template:R from misspelling populates Category:Redirects from misspellings with ~23,000, which is harder to look through.  ~ Tom.Reding (talk ⋅dgaf)  23:12, 16 February 2016 (UTC)


 * After going through all named MPs from mid-January 2016 (I need to remake my MP list, but there probably weren't a lot of MPs created since then 2,775...you've been busy), I found these 14 misspellings with an extra or omitted character. 2 are articles, the other 12 are #Rs (so an template isn't the best way to track):
 * (article, though could be #R'd)
 * (article)
 * (article, though could be #R'd)
 * (article)
 * (article, though could be #R'd)
 * (article)


 * I found these 4 lesser discrepancies, which swap MPC's hyphens for WP's en dashes (WP consensus is for the en dash, regardless of JPL & MPC designations), or use a special character name (all are articles except Reißfelder):
 * (JPL=ss, WP=MPC=ß)
 * ~ Tom.Reding (talk ⋅dgaf) 03:20, 19 February 2016 (UTC)
 * (JPL=ss, WP=MPC=ß)
 * ~ Tom.Reding (talk ⋅dgaf) 03:20, 19 February 2016 (UTC)
 * ~ Tom.Reding (talk ⋅dgaf) 03:20, 19 February 2016 (UTC)

Thx Tom, for the JPL/MPC comparison. As you know probably know, I did a check on Wikipedias Minor planet list versus their corresponding MPC's lists (i.e. Discovery Circumstances: Numbered Minor Planets, such as (1)-(5000) and (5001)-(10000)).


 * 1) As the Minor Planet Center has different lists and views, with contradicting names displayed, I need to know what source(s) you are using at the MPC website (URL). Otherwise we might reach different conclusions.
 * 2) As for the hyphens vs. en dashes, yes, that's a wiki convention, but that shouldn't apply to the P-L designations themselves, as in 6344 P-L. Long story short: I asked the guy who changed P-L into PL-dash versions a few weeks ago for his rationale, but haven't yet noticed any response).
 * 3) As far a I can see, for all mentioned cases, an additional redirect-alias is the best way to go (either created directly or by a move/rename). Do you agree?   R fassbind  – talk  08:38, 19 February 2016 (UTC)


 * I'll let you take care of the diacritics. I Latinize all diacritics, then check the name with JPL and flag any discrepancies for investigation, which yielded my list above (I should clarify what the JPL and MPC versions for each are). This is before going through the additional 2,775 MPs that were made, but I have a feeling they're essentially pristine :)


 * For #1: whenever I say JPL, I use this link for the SBDB search. Whenever I say MPC, I use this link. Are these effectively identical or effectively different to what you use?


 * For #2: I agree, though someone could make the argument that it's short for Palomar–Leiden, which, yeah, it is, but it's a designation 1st, an initialism 2nd, and something you'd say as its full name 3rd, or never. You could ask WT:ASTRO what the consensus is (I'd first assume that it's what exists, but I could be wrong).


 * For #3: Ideally, I would like to see R from JPL discrepancy with MPC or R from JPL/MPC discrepancy or something similar, but that might be too specific, or maybe not. I'm really not sure, but I'll look into it.  ~ Tom.Reding (talk ⋅dgaf)  05:17, 20 February 2016 (UTC)

Thx, Tom. About JPL vs MPC sources for names: Here are two explicit examples:
 * For (2000) Herschel, 2000 Herschel
 * JPL – http://ssd.jpl.nasa.gov/sbdb.cgi?sstr=2012638, using the SPK-ID shown in the view (essentially a left, 2 + n-Zero-padded, seven-digit string)
 * MPC – http://www.minorplanetcenter.net/db_search/show_object?object_id=2000 using the object view with the plain IAU-number as "object_id" parameter value
 * So it looks we're on the same page. However, when using the MPC-form you posted, an additional parameter: utf8=✓ is added to the query url (example). This may or may not change the result from the version I use. Although I don't think so, I need to run some checks to be sure.
 * For (12638) Fransbrüggen,
 * MPC by plain IAU-number gives: see here. Using the your posted search form and entering the minor planet's name ("Fransbrüggen") does not work and renders an Error "Unknown object: Fransbrüggen".

It seems that the MPC is too much of a chicken to really address the issue. Instead, they offer different versions, without being explicit. Well I won't go too much into detail, so:
 * 1) the MPC object view serves as first iteration for all diacritical names. Exceptions must be mapped (handled by our applications)
 * 2) the ASCII-name versions at JPL that do not match the ASCII-version at MPC must be mapped as well.

On wikipedia, for non-diacritical-aliases, e.g., it seems helpful to reference their correct diacritical version , as they both are redirected to the list of minor planets. That's why I add the " " to keep the connection. The issue for the three different types of apostrophes and hypen/enDash versions are only partially handeled.

Note: I will use Template:R from incorrect name for wrong names on JPL (uncorrected erratas of first MPC circular publication) until you tell me a different tpl.

Question: Is it correct to remove the cat "Main-belt asteroids" when there is a category such as "Flora asteroids"? (I saw a few changes). Please tell me / give me a link, so I don't need to do corrections. Also, the sort key for the Category:Minor planet redirects is probably the ASCII version of the article's name, not the article's name itself (as it say in your description), correct? Pls let me know, and if you have made up your mind, you could tell me whether you prefer uppper-case on the sort-key's first letter only or not. Thx  R fassbind  – talk  09:41, 21 February 2016 (UTC)


 * I wrote that into the Category:Main-belt asteroids text because not doing that results in overcategorization, especially with such a large category. I took the wording from another similar category (can't recall which one).


 * Yes, the sortkey should be the Latinized verzion of the name, and apostrophes can be used as long as they're not the 2nd character in the key (all of the details are listed in WP:SORTKEY). I updated Category:Minor planet redirects text with this.


 * The first letter should match the page, even if lowercase.  ~ Tom.Reding (talk ⋅dgaf)  15:14, 21 February 2016 (UTC)

Epoch vs. JD
I have to side with the db on this, the Julian day section, and Epoch (astronomy), which all use DMY/YMD/variants to refer to epoch, and the large number as the JD. I'm making a program to update Infobox planet orbital parameters from JPL (since I've lost access to the MPC) and will likely adopt MPC (and our) notation (JPL is often not as careful as the MPC, as we all know!). ~ Tom.Reding (talk ⋅dgaf) 22:08, 15 March 2016 (UTC)


 * Hi Tom, thanks on getting back on this. Indeed, I recently started to swap the data displayed in the infobox from (e.g. Lecus):


 * from
 * to


 * after I saw someone making this amendment. I have assumed this was correct and that I had made a systematic error in hundreds of my previous edits. Now I see that MPC displays "epoch JD 2457400.5".


 * Are you saying that the infobox should rather read:




 * Fortunately, I only changed an additional 5 articles so far. What do you mean with losing access to MPC? Sorry, I'm currently pretty consumed by my running tasks on wikipedia, that I do get to read anything else on the talk pages. --Cheers,  R fassbind  – talk  22:40, 15 March 2016 (UTC)


 * is how the first 15 MPs do it (with the exception of 3 Juno), so I will most likely base my code off of that. I'm still going to look through a larger sample of low-numbered MPs (maybe 30-50 total) before deciding, but this is definitely the standard so far.
 * And check my last msg here for my problems with the MPC, heh.  ~ Tom.Reding (talk ⋅dgaf)  23:40, 15 March 2016 (UTC)


 * Yes Tom, that's the format currently used in most articles. But is it correct? I thought you suggested a different format something else, or didn't you? As for the access problem, you do not really access that database, do you? You do, just as I do, do http-requests to the webserver, don't you? With JPL I almost daily have connection errors/failed http request. But I think that's not related to me and the number of request I'm doing, but has to do with internal processes. As for the MPC website, I never had any problems, yet did not make thousands of requests per hour as you did. I actually wouldn't be surprised if they logged the http user requests and set a limit. --,  R fassbind  – talk  00:41, 16 March 2016 (UTC)


 * Yes, that's the correct format that I was referring to that matches the MPC, Epoch (astronomy), and Julian day.


 * At my peak, I was making between 3000-3600 http requests/hour (0.8~1/sec), and I've cycled through all the 25k-ish MPs several times as my set of things-to-correct grew (from finding more and more discrepancies, and developing more sophisticated checks). I guess that was too much... Thing is, I was doing twice that with JPL before I started using the MPC, and no problems (except for their sporadic interruptions).  ~ Tom.Reding (talk ⋅dgaf)  01:03, 16 March 2016 (UTC)

My discoverer name mapping between JPL/MPC and WP
I posted it here: User:Tom.Reding/List of JPL & MPC discoverer aliases, in case it's of any use. ~ Tom.Reding (talk ⋅dgaf) 15:20, 21 March 2016 (UTC)

Background color for Infobox planet
While going through and updating MPs' infobox data from JPL, I'm finding some inconsistencies in color (I thought all MPs were #FFFFC0). For the inconsistent ones, I looked back to see how long they had been a different color and saw you were involved with most of the ones I've come across (only a narrow sample at the moment). I also vaguely recall someone talking about developing a color scheme for MPs (was it you?). Do you know the result of that discussion, and should I or shouldn't I be using #FFFFC0 for all infoboxes? Thanks. ~ Tom.Reding (talk ⋅dgaf) 14:57, 6 April 2016 (UTC)
 * The color-schme is the starting point and central part of what I am doing on wikipedia on a daily basis for the last 6 months. I'm surprised how little this has impacted your infobox edits so far.  R fassbind  – talk   15:51, 6 April 2016 (UTC)
 * Hah. Well I think that discussion happened and got archived while I was still on wikibreak (I found it in Archive 21). I've only update infobox data for ~10% of MP articles, and I've skipped the ones with a different color (1-5 might've been changed before I noticed). I have been changing bgcolour (deprecated) to background, and I've only added the default color to uncolored infoboxes (checking & coding for the color scheme, however, doesn't sound enjoyable to me so I'll leave that to you).  ~ Tom.Reding (talk ⋅dgaf)  13:07, 7 April 2016 (UTC)

7092 Cadmus
I have removed part of your addition to the above article, as it appears to have been copied directly from http://link.springer.com/referenceworkentry/10.1007/978-3-540-29925-7_6276, a copyright web page. All content you add to Wikipedia must be written in your own words. — Diannaa (talk) 14:43, 17 April 2016 (UTC)
 * Diannaa, it seems that my entire edit labelled "overall revision" is now strikethrough in the edit history. The removed content is not copied directly from the copyright web page (Springer.com): The removed content is a citation of the Minor Planet Circular, of the IAU/MPC, prepared by the name giving astronomers, mostly the discoverer themselves. If you compare it to the official MPC citation, you can see that my edit does not contain any of specific modifications made in the Dictionary of Minor Planets (copyrighted Springer source), but that the publishing house (Springer) shows a virtually verbatim version of the Circular. I would have very much appreciated if you had modified the few remaining verbatim sentences from the original MPC publication or simply asked for clarification. Instead my entire edit, which is 10 times larger than the removed content, is no longer visible, giving me no longer the chance to verify if you correctly re-added the other 90%. This is disturbing and inefficient. It also very disencouraging. Thank you very much, indeed. --  R fassbind  – talk  23:15, 17 April 2016 (UTC)
 * The webpage http://www.minorplanetcenter.net/db_search/show_object?object_id=7092 is also marked as being copyright, so you can't copy from there either. The content you added matched that website as well. These descriptions have to be re-written in your own words, not copied verbatim. Please let me know if you have any questions. — Diannaa (talk) 01:30, 18 April 2016 (UTC)

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Infobox planet's display standards for MPs
I'm finally getting down to the finer details of MPs' infobox standardization: What do you think about these? ~ Tom.Reding (talk ⋅dgaf) 13:57, 21 April 2016 (UTC)
 * 1) I've been unicodifying &thinsp; to its unicode character, but the unicode char is harder to see and/or confirm that it's there, so I'm going to go back and un-unicodify back to &thinsp;.
 * 2) While I'm doing this, I'm thinking that it's also a good idea for me to put &thinsp; between all numbers/values and their /s, as long as &thinsp; or  exist anywhere in the infobox are used between values and /s at least 40% of the time in the infobox. This is all written down on the code page, points 2.4 and 2.5.
 * 3) I've noticed that using   has no effect on the rendered infobox, so I'm not using . I think it was used as a legacy work-around, back when/before width was deprecated. The infobox now does a good job of managing its width.
 * 4) The only way it can effect the width is with many trailing  s. Testing this on a few MP infoboxes with many, many parameters, I actually do like the trailing-  option, since it effectively removes whitespace between the name of the parameters on the left and the parameter values on the right, without changing the width of the infobox (until a certain threshold is crossed). I have seen that being done. Were you involved with that? If so, what did you use as your desired infobox width and what method(s) did you use to calculate the width of the existing text? I'll probably be able to replicate that in C#, since there are functions to calculate the width of rendered text; I just don't know if they'll work in AWB yet (dependencies, etc.).
 * 5) Come to think of it, it's better if this is done on a static display-parameter like discovered since it will never need to be updated. I'll put a comparison together in my userspace and see if there's any support for it. (Discussion here)  Taken care of via the new parameter label_width.   ~ Tom.Reding (talk ⋅dgaf)  16:55, 12 June 2016 (UTC)
 * 6) The vast majority of MPs between 2-100 don't use commas in their displayed values, so I'm also excluding them (i.e. for observation_arc & period).
 * 7) For period, I've been wikilinking d to Julian year (astronomy), since the best description of a Julian day as used here, that I could find, is in the lead of Julian year (astronomy).


 * Thx, I get back to you as soon as I have finished checking all naming citations.  R fassbind  – talk  09:10, 22 April 2016 (UTC)

Hello. I am nominating template:source for discussion. Apparently you used the template meant for template:code. Can you change from  to  ? I appreciate that. By the way, I invite you to the discussion at TfD. George Ho (talk) 04:34, 8 December 2016 (UTC)
 * changed tpl "source" to "code" in order to avoid error messages on this talk page.  R fassbind  – talk  00:00, 2 May 2017 (UTC)

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55196 Marchini
This MP desperately needs your help! ~ Tom.Reding (talk ⋅dgaf) 16:51, 12 June 2016 (UTC)


 * Thx, Tom. I reinstalled the redirection for 55196 Marchini, as there is no physical information available, apart from being a named outer main-belt asteroid. To the anon editor 80.116.253.132, who started the article, I'd like to say thank you, but unfortunately, this article better remains a redirect (there are 10,000 other redirects for which an equal amount of information is available). Here's a selection of more notable minor planets which needs attention (revisions or rewrites). If you want to, you may try one of those and I'll be glad to help you as good as I can. Best regards,  R fassbind  – talk  21:42, 12 June 2016 (UTC)

Solar power in Jamaica
Thanks for all your help with that page. I am a real novice to Wikipedia so I really appreciated your input.Jamaica solar (talk) 14:49, 28 June 2016 (UTC)
 * Thx, I'll do my best with Solar power in Jamaica.  R fassbind  – talk  14:53, 28 June 2016 (UTC)

Growth of photovoltaics
Some recent edits have been done to this page that, seem to me to introduce inconsistencies in the layout. In particular, the table of "Top countries for 2015" would be better placed under the sub heading "Deployment by Country" and follow the pattern of subsequent years. I would attempt it but, being a novice and seeing where many of the edits in 2015 were done by you, I would prefer to defer to your expertise. I notice also that most, if not all the forecasts for 2016 are now out so, the forecast section appears a little outdated. Again I would do some updates but, do not have the confidence that I would do as good a job as you have done.Jamaica solar (talk) 16:31, 28 June 2016 (UTC)
 * Thx for letting me know. I'm happy that others have edited this article. I'll check it out as soon as I can and try to reinstall consistency. Thx,  R fassbind  – talk  16:52, 28 June 2016 (UTC)

Your input2
Something is weird and possibly broken in your post on my talkpage. If I try to respond as I normally would I seem to break it and my text gets put in the middle. What sorcery is this? ~ Tom.Reding (talk ⋅dgaf) 04:09, 13 July 2016 (UTC)
 * Sorry for causing trouble. I removed all templates/ wikitable from my post on your talk page. When opening your entire talk page in the edit-view, the syntax highlighting is different from the very top your page (i.e. regular text is not supposed to be highlighted, but on your page, it is). Hope it works now. Otherwise just cut/paste my post to here, OK? Thx,  R fassbind  – talk  09:41, 13 July 2016 (UTC)
 * All good now.  ~ Tom.Reding (talk ⋅dgaf)  13:59, 13 July 2016 (UTC)

New LOMP-table-header template
FYI I'm thinking about moving the newest table header

{| class="wikitable sortable" style="min-width: 80%;" ! colspan=2 | Designation ! colspan=2 | Discovery ! rowspan=2 | Discoverer(s) ! rowspan=2 class="unsortable" | Ref ! style="min-width: 100px;" | Permanent ! style="min-width: 60px;" | Provisional ! Date ! Site

into List of minor planets/header2 so it's easier to mass-update and should save ~4.5 kB from the edit window. This'll probably impact your discoverers update, so let me know if you want me to hold off. ~ Tom.Reding (talk ⋅dgaf) 12:31, 27 July 2016 (UTC)
 * OK, I see the advantages. I think you can start whenever you want to. Note, however that the links for Site and Discoverer(s) were revised in the table header. I can continue my edits unaffected by your changes and if we cross with an edit-conflict I wouldn't be bothered. Thx for letting me know.  R fassbind  – talk  14:04, 27 July 2016 (UTC)
 * ✅  ~ Tom.Reding (talk ⋅dgaf)  13:10, 8 August 2016 (UTC)

LOMPs' MinorPlanetListFooter
I think it's still useful to have some basic bottom-navigation on the LOMP & MOMPN pages (especially since you're filling out each LOMP to its intended size (1000)). I've seen editors add meanings-info to the numbered list instead of the meanings-list, so having a meanings-link in the ==See also== & MinorPlanetListFooter is ok by me. The footer also provides a link back to the master index. For ultimate redundancy, maybe we can add your "Back to top" button to the footer template? ~ Tom.Reding (talk ⋅dgaf) 18:58, 30 July 2016 (UTC)
 * My revision of pLOMP-footers was done in April for the first 200 pages
 * comment
 * and now I'm also doing it on the pages above 200k, which never had subpages. I never considered a bottom navigation (especially to a different series of partial list) useful at all, because clicking on any bottom-nav link will lead to the top of any target page. Instead I have 2 different ideas/proposals, maybe you'd like to comment on them:
 * The back-to-top link (btt-lnk), as you just mentioned. I would propose, however, to use such btt-lnk on each end of section, not just on the pages footer (where it also could be placed in addition). Now, since you have added a List of minor planets/header2 to each 100-items table on the entire series, it would be much easier to implement it. The idea is to add the btt-lnk as the first line in the template's content (see example below). If the template had a - parameter type of option the first table header of the page could be prevented to display a back-to-top-link.
 * A toggler-link: if we wanted to tidily relate pLOMP with the corresponding entries on "meanings" why not add a link on both type of partial lists that point to one another? I think the table-header, again, would be a candidate location to place such a "toggler"-link. But linking corresponding sections (potentially of 100 entries) may still be somewhat unclear. So, alternatively, a specific link for each named MPs could be added (there are 20,000 named MPs for which a toggling could be added). This however would lead to an additional a new table-column for the toggle link, and in most cases (448,000 out of 468,000) the cell would be empty though.

''example of a back-to-top link, placed in the header of each section (equivalent to a version where the link is actually part of the "header2" template)

420901–421000
back to top WWC arrow up.png

What's your take on this, Tom? R fassbind – talk  19:47, 30 July 2016 (UTC)


 * The TOC is the best navigation of course, so if there are plentiful btt-links then that's probably good enough to do away with the less-functional MinorPlanetListFooter.
 * I like this idea, but prefer something simpler like no.
 * See also at the top would do the trick. For the LOMPs I think I can seamlessly add it to List of minor planets/intro without editing any list pages. The MOMPNs are a different story. I'm not a fan of adding a mostly-empty column (nor a column that appears only for ranges for which it is non-empty, which is another "solution"). Two 'meanings' links, one at the top and another on the bottom, is good for now I think.
 * ~ Tom.Reding (talk ⋅dgaf) 01:28, 31 July 2016 (UTC)

I agree. Since you introduced templates, changes only need to be done once; and we always can modify it as we go along. I'm a fan of large and complete rather than fragmented but incomplete categories, so a single "Category:Named minor planets" would be fine by me. Also, I created MP#R for all named bodies, this category would be complete (and in fact would help to spot any missing items). What is your thought on this. R fassbind – talk  10:42, 31 July 2016 (UTC)
 * Referencing MOMPNs at the top in List of minor planets/intro seems the best solution, especially since it also has the needed page-parameter to construct a link to the corresponding pMOMPN. Rather than a See also hatnote, I would prefer a textual cross-reference, such as "This is a partial list of numbered minor planets, running from 268001 through 269000, inclusive. See List of minor planets § Main index for a list of all such partial lists. Also see the corresponding Meanings of minor planet names: 268001–269000 for details on any named body in this range." because if the corresponding MOMPN-list does not exists, it would display a redlink, which a hatnote should not have.
 * As for the "back-to-top" link, please do what you think best. We later might format and amend the CSS of the link/table header, so that it looks OK in any browser and on any zoom-level.
 * Thinking about MOMPN, it actually nothing else than a List of named minor planets. Don't you agree? It's just that it doesn't show any discovery information (such as in LOMP), but only its naming cite with no other information (such as in an existing article). The more I think about MOMPN, the less it seems helpful to try to make a "close" connection between LOMP and MPMPN, because, since you added the MPCdb to each item in LOMP, the naming citations are just one click away. (The only exception are the lowest-numbered MPs, which are not cited in MPC's object view).
 * Also, there is no Category:Named minor planets. The MPC in MPC Archive Statistics (section "Orbits And Names") says that there are 20,071 named minor planet (out of a total of 469,275 numbered ones), which suggests a split-up into several possible subcats, such as:
 * Category:Named near-Earth objects with subcats for Apollo, Amor and Aten
 * Category:Named Mars-crossers
 * Category:Named main-belt asteroids
 * Category:Named Jupiter-trojans
 * Category:Named centaurs
 * Category:Named trans-Neptunian objects


 * That all sounds good to me, and I'll get to the smaller changes soon. Category:Named minor planets needs some caveating, but in a good/useful way b/c it will help us force a standard onto the Category:Minor planets hierarchy one way or another. Here's my internal thought process:
 * Since Category:Named minor planets is similar in intent to Category:Numbered minor planets, it should also not contain #Rs, lest it become what no one wanted Category:Numbered minor planets to be (a place for all numbered MPs, article and #R).
 * Category:Minor planets named for people has 10.5k members, most of them #Rs. Do we remove those #Rs to conform to Category:Numbered minor planets? No, that'd be silly since 1) it's not a direct child of Category:Minor planets, and 2) keeping Category:Numbered minor planets pristine (no #Rs) is useful b/c all named MPs are also numbered, so we have a reliable method (cat-arithmetic) to separate all the #Rs from non-#Rs in the Category:Minor planets by source of name tree. (I think I'll add this to Category:Numbered minor planets's description so it's more clear - whether or not this was the original intent I'm not sure, but it is quite useful!)
 * We can apply point 2. to Category:Named minor planets, giving a good reason to include both #Rs and articles in it, nullifying point 1..
 * Now we just need to figure out the best place to put Category:Named minor planets&mdash;directly under Category:Minor planets seems best, so it doesn't interfere with Category:Minor planets by source of name and so that it compliments Category:Numbered minor planets and Category:Unnumbered minor planets.
 * I'll let that stew for a bit before notifying WT:AST.  ~ Tom.Reding (talk ⋅dgaf)  15:17, 4 August 2016 (UTC)


 * Hi Tom. Sorry, your comments above are a bit too compressed and or contain premises I can't follow. I reiterate to see if we're on the same page or not:
 * Categories "Named minor planets" is about the 20,000 named MPs, while "Numbered minor planets" (aka "Articles about minor planets") is about articles only. They are two different things: the former should contain MP#Rs, that latter must not. They may co-exists in an article. That would be perfectly fine.
 * Category:Minor planets named for people has 10.5k members, yes, but that not bad, since there are further subcats that can be created (e.g. I already mentioned "named for astronomer" once). In addition there is a "named for awards" category, which is another subcat containing students form the ISEF and others. Last but not least mentioned once something like a "celebrity" category (maybe "Forbes" magazine would be a useful source here). All in all there are many possible subcats for "Minor planets named for people", so I (unfortunately) do not understand what's your reasoning in #2.
 * Consequently, I cannot follow this. Sorry.
 * I think I understand. Since "Numbered minor planet" is not what its name says (as mentioned in #1), then "Named minor planets" cannot be a subcat of it (which otherwise it would naturally be). "Named minor planets" can also not be a part of "Minor planets by source of name". So I agree that "Named minor planets" needs to be directly in the root of Minor planets (at least for now). The important question is the sorting for "Named minor planets". I think it should be by name and not by number (both are possible).
 * I hope this made sense. Since, I trust your judgement, I'm sure it's certainly going to be an improvement. Of course posting on WT:AST may give an additional backup (next to mine) for any changes you make, but I'm not so sure how many people are still familiar with the intrinsic categorization issue. Best  R fassbind  – talk  16:40, 4 August 2016 (UTC)


 * I just wanted to preempt what I thought could be a possible objection to, or issue with, Category:Named minor planets; I should have just boiled it down.
 * I'll clarify my point #2 in Category:Numbered minor planets's description soon. ✅
 * Agree, Category:Named minor planets should be sorted by name.  ~ Tom.Reding (talk ⋅dgaf)  04:04, 7 August 2016 (UTC)
 * Ah, I see.
 * As far as I remember, the renaming of "Category:Numbered minor planets" (which is a duplication of LOMP and therefor not really useful) to something like "Minor planet articles" was criticized by Hunster calling it a "meta-category". I haven't done much digging into this subject and whether there are any guidelines about it, as my motivation for changes is always based on my experience I gather while working intensively on the minor planet topic. I think this is also true for you.
 * As for the "Category:Named minor planets", I have no idea what the objections might be. I only know that there are quite a few people on wikipedia, that are neither familiar with the current status of the project nor are interested in improving it. In fact, communicating intended changes only begs for objections from editors that wouldn't even notice otherwise, while, on the other hand, some wikipedians have made large but incomplete (and therefore inconsistent) changes in the MP-categorizations with no one ever objecting (examples are Category:Asteroid spectral classes and the DEFAULTSORT in MP articles).
 * Current status: good job on adding the "back to top" link" / amending header2-template with param on the LOMP. I'm currently revising the CS1-errors in accessdate and biographies about astronomers linked in List of minor planet discoverers. As soon as I'm finished I will start on a revised version of List of observatory codes (identical to IAU codes), so that the LOMP-column "Discovery site" can be systematically revised the same way as I did with LOMP's discovering astronomers/institutions. After this, I plan to do an overall revision of the main page of List of minor planets (see working version here) and to colorize the LOMP-tables. In parallel to these tasks, I'm working on the minor planet object articles and on any other unexpected "complication" that might pop-up in the meantime.
 * Hope that wasn't too long to read. Best, 10:03, 7 August 2016 (UTC)
 * Btt-links are ; only missing the bottom-most btt-link on each page. I'd like the btt to be within a template so it's easily changable, but I also don't want to make a special template just for it (unless that's the only option). The easiest/nicest thing I can think of is making List of minor planets/See also, which has the btt right before the see also section header, and creates the auto-generated link (or links) to the corresponding meanings' page(s).
 * I like your User:Rfassbind/Minor planet list index section; it's ~twice as compact as the current List of minor planets and easier to read.  ~ Tom.Reding (talk ⋅dgaf)  13:38, 8 August 2016 (UTC)
 * Btt-links now ✅.  ~ Tom.Reding (talk ⋅dgaf)  02:14, 12 August 2016 (UTC)

Canvassing
It appears that you have been canvassing—leaving messages on a biased choice of users' talk pages to notify them of an ongoing community decision, debate, or vote. While friendly notices are allowed, they should be limited and nonpartisan in distribution and should reflect a neutral point of view. Please do not post notices which are indiscriminately cross-posted, which espouse a certain point of view or side of a debate, or which are selectively sent only to those who are believed to hold the same opinion as you. Remember to respect Wikipedia's principle of consensus-building by allowing decisions to reflect the prevailing opinion among the community at large. Thank you. RevelationDirect (talk) 00:53, 16 August 2016 (UTC)
 * Rfassbind, Thank you for your initial input on Categories for discussion/Log/2016 August 6. Obviously you care a lot about this topic and I'm assuming good faith here. RevelationDirect (talk) 00:53, 16 August 2016 (UTC)
 * While my wording in the post was poor (as this is unfortunately far too often the case), I can assure you that my selection of notified editors was not biased. In fact, I called each and every expert on the topic I could think of. There are only a handful of them, and I know them from WT:AST and based on the articles' and categories edit history (not because I know them well personally). They may or may not agree with me (or may not even care), but they need to know of this discussion since they should know best. Now, since I notified all experts and this little warning-icon above is rather intimidating, it is probably best for me to stop here. Thanks for letting me know about WP:Canvassing. Best,  R fassbind  – talk  02:29, 16 August 2016 (UTC)

List of minor planet discoverers
Sorry for bad English. One of the two transwiki go in German wiki at the voice "https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tsuneo_Niijima": this it's right or not? 84.253.136.14 (talk) 08:23, 21 August 2016 (UTC)
 * Buongiorno! Scusa mi italiano è poco sviluppato, ma credo che posso provare. Per questo astronomo giapponese la informazioni è bastante simile en varios wikitesti:
 * List of minor planet discoverers
 * Tsuneo Niijima, Tsuneo Niijima, Tsuneo Niijima
 * A qual differenze su domanda fare riferimento?
 * a) Asteroidi scoperti? – Il totale è 32 (29+2+1), → MPC discoverers
 * b) Amatoriale ou professionale? – non ne sono sicuro → MPC for (5507) Niijima. Solo en la versione tedesco Tsuneo Niijima è considerato un astronomo amatoriale. Può essere ser la discrepanza?
 * c) Il riposo della informazione (per esempio la data di nascita) mi sembra identico.
 * Saluti,  R fassbind  – talk  09:29, 21 August 2016 (UTC)
 * The voice "List of minor planet discoverers" as said the title is a (beautiful) list of discovers, Ok? If you click in Russian you go in, I suppose, the same list in Russian, but if you click on German you go only at the voice of ONE asteroid discover, that of Japonese Tsuneo Niijima. There is a big difference between a list of discovers and an unique discover. My question then is: do exist really in German Wiki a list of asteroid discovers or not? Best greetings. 84.253.136.14 (talk) 09:58, 21 August 2016 (UTC)
 * Ah, I see. I removed the transwiki link to Tsuneo Niijima from the footer of List of minor planet discoverers. Thx,  R fassbind  – talk  10:22, 21 August 2016 (UTC)
 * Hello, now there is the same problem with Spanish transwiki: "Antonio Garrigós Sánchez" (https://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antonio_Garrig%C3%B3s_S%C3%A1nchez). 84.253.136.14 (talk) 07:27, 17 September 2016 (UTC)

Category:Asteroids named as an award population
Since it was said several times in the first CfD that "it will be populated in the near future", and that the CfD was recently relisted, I'm willing to populate it as a means of potentially swaying votes to the keep side. Do you have, or can you make, a list of asteroids named as an award and I (or you, or we) can populate it? ~ Tom.Reding (talk ⋅dgaf) 19:32, 31 August 2016 (UTC)
 * I'll post an (incomplete) list on my project page tonight and ping you here, when I'm done with the first batch.  R fassbind  – talk  19:50, 31 August 2016 (UTC)
 * : ✅, I created a list of about 200 items: "Batch A" consists of 2 groups. They include the mentors of the awardees (as I consider them as being "awarded" as well).  R fassbind  – talk  21:34, 31 August 2016 (UTC)
 * Can you easily identify which ones are of mentors of the awardees? I don't think this category needs any more unwanted attention, since categorizing mentors would raise some flags, especially since more-eyes-than-normal are on this cat. We can add in mentors later, I just want to properly populate the cat for now.  ~ Tom.Reding (talk ⋅dgaf)  21:58, 31 August 2016 (UTC)
 * Ah I see. Well. The JPL discoverer text contains the word "mentored". I use my documentation I made for the creation of non-existing redirects. Next to each listed MP#R there is an external link "[r]" to my webtool, which displays JPL's citation, e.g. for → . Do you want me to go through the list one more time and remove the "mentors" (they mostly come in clusters)?
 * Yes, please, as long as it's not too much trouble. If it is, you can send me the documentation and I can have a go at it with regex and/or excel.  ~ Tom.Reding (talk ⋅dgaf)  23:44, 31 August 2016 (UTC)
 * OK, I'll remove them and let you know. By the way, my "documentation" is on wikipedia.  R fassbind  – talk  23:51, 31 August 2016 (UTC)

See Batch A and B. They contain close to 400 items in total. As far as I'm concerned, the mentors could be placed into a subcategory of the awardees (and they themselves into a ISEF / Broadcom MASTERS subcategory later). R fassbind – talk  00:58, 1 September 2016 (UTC)
 * ✅! Category populated with 303 additional awardees from batch A & B.  ~ Tom.Reding (talk ⋅dgaf)  02:42, 1 September 2016 (UTC)
 * ✅! Category populated with 64 additional awardees from batch C & D.  ~ Tom.Reding (talk ⋅dgaf)  12:54, 1 September 2016 (UTC)

Added new items to list Batch E and F (+26 finalists; +1 mentor). R fassbind – talk  14:38, 5 September 2016 (UTC)
 * ✅! Category populated with 26 additional awardees from batch E & F  R fassbind  – talk  10:44, 7 September 2016 (UTC)

Signature
Hi, I just voted below you in a CFD. I use this syntax highlighter, and your signature caused it to highlight everything below your signature, making the highlighting useless. Could you please move the opening to the beginning of your signature? The highlighter expects html tags and link markup to be closed in the reverse order they are opened. Thanks. kennethaw88 • talk 07:16, 1 September 2016 (UTC)
 * Good catch. Indeed, the tags were not properly nested in relation to the wiki-link markup. Thx,  R fassbind  – talk  10:21, 1 September 2016 (UTC)
 * Rfassbind, your signature caused problems at the RfD page for Margaret Bandele Olayinka. All entries below this entry were not able to load their XFDcloser gadget menus. After I the tags, it worked.  Jay (talk) 15:13, 4 March 2022 (UTC)
 * Thx Jay, for bringing that to my attention. I replaced the  with an old-fashioned   tag in my user profile. That should resolve all issues.   R fassbind  – talk  18:19, 4 March 2022 (UTC)

17473 Freddiemercury
Someone's created a new page at Asteroid 17473 Freddiemercury. Isn't that against Wikipedia naming policy for minor planets? 2.99.207.130 (talk) 20:55, 5 September 2016 (UTC)
 * Yes, that name is not according to conventions. The article was also redundantly created. It's now fixed. Thx for noticing,  R fassbind  – talk  23:51, 5 September 2016 (UTC)

Nomination for deletion of Template:Astro list redirect comment
Template:Astro list redirect comment has been nominated for deletion. You are invited to comment on the discussion at the template's entry on the Templates for discussion page. P p p er y 02:14, 9 September 2016 (UTC)

→ See result of the discussion here. R fassbind – talk  00:19, 20 September 2016 (UTC)

Secondary non-diacritical MP#R revision
Just noticed this subsection&mdash;I think I helped contribute to it since I only added where there were 2 or more s, and not when there was a solitary. Want help fixing them? ~ Tom.Reding (talk ⋅dgaf) 11:58, 19 October 2016 (UTC)
 * When it comes to MP#R you've done more than anyone else on wikipedia. I checked the cases where only a single was used inside the shell-template. I was puzzled because, by definition, this should never be the case for all of the 961 lat-MP#Rs (latinized redirects to MP-object #Rs or articles with diacritical names). Yet, you're right, there were 27 lat-MP#Rs with a R-shell and 1 only . They were all instances of , which have turned off the standard templates. So instead of removing the shell, I added R unprintworthy to it. Besides those, I didn't find any shells with a single-. Hope that makes sense to you,   R fassbind  – talk  13:08, 19 October 2016 (UTC)
 * I think there can be other #Rs with only 1 in the shell; for example Latinized MP#Rs that point to the LoMP. The only  in that case I think should be R avoided double redirect (R to diacritics doesn't apply since it's pointing to the list), but I could be forgetting about some of the other 100s of s out there.   ~ Tom.Reding (talk ⋅dgaf)  13:39, 19 October 2016 (UTC)
 * What's the reason not to use a when there is a solitary  in the first place? When I read the documentation of Template:Redirect_category_shell and Template:R_to_diacritics I find several examples where this is explicitly done. To me, using a R-category-shell-template to add one or more appropriate redirect category is perfectly fine. The documentation of the template also says so. No?   R fassbind  – talk  14:29, 19 October 2016 (UTC)
 * There's no problem using Redirect category shell with a solitary (I'm offering to help place them, after all). I'm just saying that R to diacritics doesn't belong on an #R pointing to the LoMP.   ~ Tom.Reding (talk ⋅dgaf)  14:56, 19 October 2016 (UTC)
 * As for your fist post, I obviously misunderstood you, thinking that "fixing" means remove the shell-template, rather than adding it (see my first post). As for your second post, saying that doesn't apply when there is a, I understand that this technically correct, and that you have done a revision on October 4, removing said rcat such as in here (btw: is there a bug in your anchor generation? it has four digits), so sorry if I have coincidentally interfered with a recent revision of yours I wasn't aware of. As for your offer, the answer is now obsolete and I thank you for your help.
 * But isn't it a bit short-sighted not to add the to secondary redirects (to LOMP)? Whether or not it is a LoMP-list entry or a dedicated page (article), the target is still a diacritical version of a MP-name. At least that's my interpretation of the word "essentially" in the template's documentation. Moreover, keeping  in LoMP#Rs serves a practical reason. If the (primary) redirect should ever become an article (which is not that unlikely), the diacritic-rcat will have to be added manually (i.e likely to be forgotten), while the  will be re-categorized and its target likely amended. I just want to do the right thing on the long term. We have worked together on these MP#R for (almost) a year now. The usage of  was never an issue, never criticized or removed by anyone (including you) up to this month. Again, if it is better to remove the R-diacritics then so be it, I'll finish the secondary non-diacritical MP#R revision to maintain consistency and change the code later ( PS: this probably will also be the case for the upcoming MPC-batch ).   R fassbind  – talk  15:51, 19 October 2016 (UTC)
 * I know what you mean; it's tempting to use R to diacritics for all Latinized MP#Rs, and indeed I've either added it or ignored the fact that it was there most of the time. Now that we've organized the s though (via NASTRO comment), the other s stand out more. Even with a liberal interpretation of R to diacritics's text (re: essentially the same page name with diacritical marks), it's technically incorrect to put it on an #R pointing to a List of minor planets (LoMP) though, so any r-template gnome would have no reason to hesitate taking it off, and the argument for keeping it is very specific to WP:AST. The best way to make it permanent, and self-consistent, is to find an R-template that suits our needs, or to make one:
 * R from modification sounds like it could work. It's distinct from R from misspelling, which doesn't have the appropriate wording (re: The correct form is given by the target of the redirect), and would be used for actual MP misspellings anyway. The only MP#Rs that could legitimately contain R from modification are secondary MP#Rs to the LoMP. Any other MP#Rs with this that don't point to the LoMP (i.e. they point to the developed diacritized article) can be easily searched for and corrected.
 * R from alternative transliteration (in Template:R to diacritics/doc) doesn't have the right wording (re: to a more common variation).
 * R from ASCII-only seemed promising, but doesn't have the right wording either (re: to a title with differences that are non-ASCII symbols).
 * , you've done a lot of editing in the -space, what do you (& ) think is the best solution here for redirects such as ?
 * Continue to use R to diacritics?
 * Use R from modification in place of R to diacritics?
 * Use one of the other s mentioned above (or some other one) in place of R to diacritics?
 * Alter the wording of one of the s mentioned above (or some other one), and use it in place of R to diacritics?
 * Make a new that is valid for both cases: 1) for  pointing to List of minor planets: 5001–6000, and 2) for  pointing to 5031 Švejcar (if/when it gets developed), thus removing the need for future maintenance? (template name & wording to be determined)
 * Aside: I just ran through my last 25,000 edited pages to check for 1, 2, & 4-digit anchors just in case. I didn't find any so it looks like you've fixed them all (how many were there?). I've recreated the anchor-making part of my code in various ways a few times, so it looks like this last time had a conditional bug in it. Thanks for that.  ~ Tom.Reding (talk ⋅dgaf)  17:57, 19 October 2016 (UTC)
 * Thx for your research, I just think that perfectly describes what the #R is all about, even if it is an avoided double redirect and the target is a list. As for your question: it was the only instance of a 4-digit anchor I found; I'm glad to hear that there is no systematic problem. I also encountered (more serious) mishaps where I had used a completely wrong name, besides some MPC-errors such as, and dozens of missing NASTRO-comment templates. So the overall revision did some good after all.   R fassbind  – talk  20:50, 19 October 2016 (UTC)
 * Ok, I'll use R to diacritics until (if) we find something better.  ~ Tom.Reding (talk ⋅dgaf)  21:17, 19 October 2016 (UTC)
 * Hi and thank you for including me in this. First of all, you both deserve a huge lot of gratitude for your work with minor planet pages and redirects, so thank you both beyond words! The question seems to be, "Is it okay to use R to diacritics when the article is a list and the redirect is anchored to a promising list item?"  I looked at the Explanation template and the Naming convention guideline, and it looks as if it would be okay to do so. The diacritics rcats just need a little clarification in their texts, so I've used R to diacritics/sandbox to test a possible modification. Please let me know if that version suits your needs, or feel free to make further mods to it.  And again, thank you for your great work on these redirects, and especially for your applications of the Rcat shell!   Paine   u/ c  11:54, 20 October 2016 (UTC)
 * , thanks, and thanks for the R to diacritics/sandbox version; I think it's enough to keep future well-intentioned editors from mistakenly removing it.  ~ Tom.Reding (talk ⋅dgaf)  12:26, 20 October 2016 (UTC)
 * It's a pleasure! and I'll add similar text to R from diacritics and the associated categories for consistency.  Paine   u/ c  12:31, 20 October 2016 (UTC)
 * Good job amending R to diacritics as described above! Thank you. This will not only apply to latinized redirects on minor planets, but also to redirects on mp-discovering astronomers (e.g. ) and possibly even named comets one day.  R fassbind  – talk  12:56, 20 October 2016 (UTC)

List of named minor planets (alphabetical)
Good lord... ~ Tom.Reding (talk ⋅dgaf) 14:19, 1 November 2016 (UTC)
 * It is now split into several partial lists.  R fassbind  – talk  13:10, 11 February 2017 (UTC)

1781 Van Biesbroeck
Why remove values for moid, jupiter_moid, & tisserand? ~ Tom.Reding (talk ⋅dgaf) 12:36, 3 November 2016 (UTC)
 * I'm sorry, I should have given you my feed-back about your "Update infobox with JPL data (code) using AWB" revision a long time ago. We never had a detailed conversation about some of the differences in your adoption of my initial version, except for the orbital color-code and the usage of UTF-8 spaces instead of html-entities. Although I tried to support some of your changes and subsequently incorporated them into my revisions (such as the mean_motion parameter), some other differences I had to ignore in order to keep my frustration level low. The minimum orbital intersection distance is such as difference:
 * moids: I do not display them if not mentioned in the article and/or if these figures are above a certain threshold value. Threshold values for (Earth) moid is a = 0.8 AU (this includes all NEOs and MCs, as well as several Hungaria-MBAs) and a similar value for parameter jupiter_moid, which is only used for JTs, CEN and outer main-belts (JPL definition) and has a limit at 0.95 AU
 * tisserand: I have not yet defined an algorithm when to display/not to display tisserand; but it is never displayed when the value is significantly above 3.
 * Hence for 1781 Van Biesbroeck, I removed "moid" (1.1 AU) and "jupiter_mode (2.7 AU) amd "tisserand (3.5). I know these above parameters are always given for each and every minor planet on MPC's and JPL's object views, irrespective of the body's orbital type. But this is not a sensible usage, and not encouraged by WP:Infobox.  R fassbind  – talk  13:43, 3 November 2016 (UTC)
 * Fair enough; but why set limits for whether or not to display a given parameter? The reader doesn't know the difference between it not being available vs. it being larger than some value. Don't worry about having to include all the infobox params in the article prose, especially if they're above your threshold. Maybe include them in the text (if you want) if and only if they're below that, or some smaller, threshold.  ~ Tom.Reding (talk ⋅dgaf)  14:13, 3 November 2016 (UTC)

noinclude & onlyinclude tags on pMoMPs
We're gonna have to carefully reapply the  &   tags so that the 1000s MoMPs work with the 10,000s MoMPs (i.e. Meanings of minor planet names: 220,001–230,000 is quite a mess atm). I can help later this week if needed. ~ Tom.Reding (talk ⋅dgaf) 12:45, 8 November 2016 (UTC)
 * I removed these tags intentionally. These lists need to be simplified: obsolete header-templates need to be deleted and the amended (or dropped). The 10k pages are another complexity that is not appropriate. If you think it is better the keep them (adding a list of 10 partial MoMP lists), rather than redirecting or deleting, then I'm fine with it, but the non/onlyinclude tags really have to go. Instead the 1k-lists need fixing and updating, what I am about to to as soon as the syntax is consistent.   R fassbind  – talk  12:59, 8 November 2016 (UTC)
 * Oh, if you're thinking of getting rid of the 10,000s, great! They are a bit clumsy, and not as important now that we've linked to and integrated the MoMP lists a bit more.  ~ Tom.Reding (talk ⋅dgaf)  13:37, 8 November 2016 (UTC)
 * Your recent edits to introduce section headers has broken pages such as Meanings of minor planet names: 100,001–110,000 that relied on the  tags to display the page correctly. Your edits have placed a large number of new pages in the category Category:Pages with DEFAULTSORT conflicts. I don't know what's the proper fix, whether it is to undo your changes that added section headers, or reintroduce onlyinclude tags. Let me know if you need more context into the issue... I personally don't know what the correct fix is. — Andy W. ( talk ) 15:24, 8 November 2016 (UTC)
 * Thx . Yes I know some 36 pages do not work anymore. This is a transitional effect. These 10k-pages (as listed in ) will be taken care of. As for the category "DEFAULTSORT conflicts", I didn't change anything, but it seems obvious to me that this "confilct" is due to fact that the one and only existing category has its individual sort key already defined (see below). So either this sortkey or the line has to be removed in order to fix it.   R fassbind  – talk  16:12, 8 November 2016 (UTC)




 * , I checked on "What links here" and I'm positive, that, if the 10K-pages links in are removed, then the 36 pages won't be linked-to at all. I don't know what to do best with these pages: delete, redirect, or turn into a list of links, as, for example, in List of Jupiter trojans (Trojan camp). Also each table header in pMoMP now links to List of named minor planets (alphabetical), which, I think, gives a much better overview (not just over a number range of 10K but, "good lord", over a much larger range). Pls, let me know what you think. Converting the pages to a "link-list" may not upset the original creator of these (no obsolete) pages as much as a deletion...   R fassbind  – talk  16:12, 8 November 2016 (UTC)
 * I think a link list is a good tentative solution. Redirects to the first 1000s list in each 10k page's name is probably the best semi-permanent solution, so that, just in case, if someone wants to resurect the 10k's again, they could see how they were done and adapt it instead of starting from scratch.  ~ Tom.Reding (talk ⋅dgaf)  17:27, 8 November 2016 (UTC)
 * FYI I've applied Rfassbind's link list fixes to all other 10K-pages to avoid DEFAULTSORT / potential DEFAULTSORT conflicts post-task. — Andy W. ( talk ) 20:05, 8 November 2016 (UTC)

your File:Price history of silicon PV cells since 1977.svg
hi I would like to suggest that your figure "Price history of silicon PV cells since 1977" would provide more information about recent years if the vertical scale were logarithmic, like the two panels below yours in Solar cell. Of course, such a change will soon be unavoidable! Thanks! Layzeeboi (talk) 07:37, 4 January 2017 (UTC)
 * Go ahead an with the update. Your proposed log-scale seems to be a good idea. Thx,  R fassbind  – talk  08:03, 4 January 2017 (UTC)

3121 Tamines
I'm pretty sure it is a main-belt asteroid so I don't understand why you moved it from the category of main-belt asteroids. You can find this classified as a main-belt asteroid onIAU Minor planets Excuse me if I'm wrong. JohnSmith678 (talk) 15:41, 7 January 2017 (UTC)
 * is a Florian asteroid, which are inner main-belt asteroids; and Category:Flora asteroids is a subcategory of Category:Main-belt asteroids. Best,  R fassbind  – talk  22:37, 7 January 2017 (UTC)
 * Yep I thought I might have got that wrong. Thanks for explaining. JohnSmith678 (talk) 23:43, 7 January 2017 (UTC)
 * Requested swap and histmerge for and . Named minor planets do not use parenthesis on English Wikipedia.   R fassbind  – talk  11:43, 17 January 2017 (UTC)

Canvassing
Please don't canvass editors to vote with you in AfDs, like you did Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Astronomy. Leaving a neutral message at a relevant Wikiproject is no problem, but yu shouldn't post messages stating everything that is right with the article and wrong with the AfD, and then asking people to "take a look". Fram (talk) 14:05, 10 February 2017 (UTC)

You also shouldn't create pages like User:Rfassbind/Pronunciation of Jupiter trojans, as this is a copyright violation. Copying within Wikipedia but without attribution is not allowed. Fram (talk) 14:08, 10 February 2017 (UTC)


 * Thx you for your feedback. I have completely removed the assessment part of my post on WT:AST. Also, I'll blank the above mentioned backup pages in my userspace as soon as possible. If you tried to put yourself in my shoes, what would have been the appropriate steps? Thx,  R fassbind  – talk  13:08, 11 February 2017 (UTC)


 * Putting a neutral note on the project talk page at most, or just letting the normal AfD process go through and accept that it sometimes ends in results you don't like or agree with (it happens often enough to me). Fram (talk) 07:56, 13 February 2017 (UTC)


 * Oh, and of course, if you believe an article at AfD should be kept, say so in the AfD. If possible, add policy reasons to support your keep, and add sources indicating that it is a notable subject or otherwise argue why the page is necessary. It probably wouldn't have helped in this case, but not contributing to the AfD certainly won't help. Fram (talk) 08:04, 13 February 2017 (UTC)


 * Of course, that makes sense and follows the guidelines mentioned above. Thank you.  R fassbind  – talk  12:33, 18 February 2017 (UTC)

Ramond
Hi Rfassbind, Thanks for your edits to the page, very helpful. May I ask just one thing; why have you renamed the page? Most of the references I've seen to it are to the French name, and if you look at Category:Learned societies of France you'll see that most French learned societies retain their French name. Is there a WP policy about this, or is it done on a case-by-case basis? Regards, Ericoides (talk) 05:30, 4 March 2017 (UTC)
 * Hello Ericoides, that's an absolutely fair question whether the article's title should be Ramond Society or . I think that whenever an English name/translation abundantly exists, it should be preferred over the foreign/original version. The English version, "Ramond Society", is used in various sources, for example:
 * The Chemical News and Journal of Physical Science, Volumes 27-28
 * The "Station de Planétologie des Pyrénées", EPSC Abstracts, Vol. 10, EPSC2015-913, 2015, European Planetary Science Congress 2015
 * Henry Russell, the Irishman who conquered the Pyrenees
 * Pic du Midi. One Hundred Years of Life and Science at a High Altitude Observatory, by Emmanuel Davoust. Translated by Barbara Jachowicz


 * Of course, I can't be sure whether "Ramond Society" is a better title than "Société Ramond", as I don't have a guideline at hand. So we need to find the corresponding policy...  R fassbind  – talk  11:53, 4 March 2017 (UTC)
 * Hi RFassbind, Thanks very much for your long reply. On reflection, I would have thought that since you "can't be sure whether [it] is a better title" and lack any explicit policy directing you to make the move that it makes sense for you to move the page back to its original title, in accordance with the WP convention respecting the original naming/language (eg BrEng or AmEng) in articles. There are as many, possibly more, instances of "Société Ramond" as there are "Ramond Society", including this by Kev Reynolds, probably the best-known writer in the English language on the Pyrenees. Moreover, a quick search comes up with numerous other instances. Furthermore, it is a de facto WP convention (see Category:Learned societies of France) for such societies to largely be in their original language, at least where French is concerned. Regards, Ericoides (talk) 06:43, 5 March 2017 (UTC)

Orbital parameters
Dear Rfassbind, I just found the diskussion about my updating of the Orbital parameters of the planets. Did you read this talk too? I agree when you say, that there were maybe to many diggits behind the comma, but instead of deleting the unnecessary diggits you reverted all the other aspects of my edits too, everything! like * the references are not anymore in the articel e.g. Jupiter, * the adjustment of the order of the pamater in the code and in the one in the article e.g. Saturn, * the updating of the values e.g. Uranus, * better number format e.g. Mercury) And yes, in my refs there were missing epoch, date and access-date, but is this a reason to revert all the work I did? Your reverts took 5 min, my edits 3 hours. Now it is too difficult to reactivate my edits with less diggits,.. there are to much edits since than. You wrote I'll revert and ask W like wiki – did I miss something on my talk page? This way of working makes me sad. Regards, --W like wiki (talk) 02:16, 20 March 2017 (UTC) (Sry for my poor English)


 * @, sorry that I forgot to leave a message on your talk page as I intended. But the reverts I did should have popped up as notifications/alert anyway. Don't be disencouraged. You made major changes in featured articles without prior consensus (WT:AST discussion (archived)). These things happen. Please start a new thread on WT:AST if you want to reintroduce your changes and refer to the just mentioned previous conversation. All the best,  R fassbind  – talk  10:02, 20 March 2017 (UTC)


 * Hi Rfassbind, usually I dont pay attention to the popups, too confusing layout, my mistake. But the discussion was just about the preciseness of the parameter not about my other edits. And you reverted not only the numbers of diggits you reverted my other edits too, with no consensus before. Please try to correct it. Thank you! --W like wiki (talk) 03:05, 22 March 2017 (UTC)

Those crazy Martians
I know I'm probably the only one watching the Martian crater pages, since I created them, but holy crap that's a lot of notifications! Thanks for doing this, even if it blows up my inbox (at least I know they're all the same and can basically ignore them). Primefac (talk) 11:53, 8 August 2017 (UTC)
 * I'll try to get this done as soon as possible. There are about a thousand named Martian craters, so this will spam your "inbox" for some days. Apologies in advance. Best,  R fassbind  – talk  12:02, 8 August 2017 (UTC)

Non-free files in List of trans-Neptunian objects
Each of the files I removed (File:MinorPlanet-2007uk126-19970930.gif, File:2010EK139-OCKS-KBO3.gif, and File:2003 EL61 Haumea, with moons.jpg) from List of trans-Neptunian objects is licensed as non-free content which means that each use of the file needs to comply with Wikipedia's non-free content use policy. You can see this by going to each file's page and looking at the licensing being used. None of these files are licensed as Template:PD-USGov-NASA and none of them list NASA as the author. Official NASA websites (like other official government websites) do sometimes host photos created by others, and these files are not always in the public domain.

It's possible that they were uploaded under the incorrect licensing, and if you clearly believe this and are able to show this (i.e., provide a proper search showing they are public domain, and that NASA is the copyright owner, etc.), then you can change the files' copyright tags to something more appropriate. If, however, you just think they are likely public domain but aren't 100% sure, then you can (1) ask for feedback at WP:MCQ or WT:NFCC, or (2) start a formal discussion at WP:FFD. -- Marchjuly (talk) 21:38, 16 October 2017 (UTC)


 * Apologies, I thought you outcommented File:Eris and dysnomia2.jpg (a per my comment). I was mistaken. Keep up the good work & thx,  R fassbind  – talk  22:29, 16 October 2017 (UTC)
 * No worries. There are lots of files in that collage, so it's easy to get them mixed up. For what it's worth, I was going to leave a note on the artile's talk page about filling in the gaps I left. I wasn't sure if the order was just random or if it was done for a reason, so I didn't do so myself. Anyway, you took care of that, so there's no need for a post. -- Marchjuly (talk) 00:14, 17 October 2017 (UTC)

Deletion privileges
I saw you were able to delete 47171 Lempo when it was mistakenly #R'd to 47171 Lempo-Hiisi. Where were you able to request permissions to do that? Very useful! I've put in my fair share of G6s & C1s recently, so this looks quite appealing. ~ Tom.Reding (talk ⋅dgaf) 17:48, 10 November 2017 (UTC)
 * , users are able to move pages over a redirect provided the only edit to the page is the pagemove itself. Primefac (talk) 18:16, 10 November 2017 (UTC)
 * Ah, ty. I was hoping for more than that.  ~ Tom.Reding (talk ⋅dgaf)  18:19, 10 November 2017 (UTC)
 * Well, there is the Page Mover right, but Rfassbind doesn't have it. PMs can move any page to pretty much anywhere. Primefac (talk) 18:22, 10 November 2017 (UTC)
 * Hi there. Good to know that one can impede other users form moving the page back over a self-made redirect by making an additional, second edit (...). As far as I see, is still a redirect and was not deleted.   R fassbind  – talk  18:34, 10 November 2017 (UTC)
 * I used to do that back before I had the mop and someone started move-warring. It was a fairly useful trick, despite being somewhat dodgy. Primefac (talk) 18:35, 10 November 2017 (UTC)

https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=385446_Manw%C3%AB&oldid=770673436
Dear Rfassbind, I just corrected an edit you had made to the article 385446 Manwë in March 2017. It seems you had changed the orbital elements to those of asteroid 12345 (1993 FT8). Since the change (which went unnoticed for 8 months) seems rather odd, I want to make sure I don't miss something (after all, it is 3 o'clock in the morning here so I may just need some sleep).Renerpho (talk) 01:44, 11 November 2017 (UTC)
 * Hi Renerpho. Oh dear,, "one-two-three-four-five", seems like a dummy Infobox generation; I must have copied from the wrong tab in my browser with sleepy eyes, also around 3 am. Now, several edits with 385446 Manwë do make sense in retrospect. Thank you for spotting this. By the way, how did you find out that the orbital elements are those of ?  R fassbind  – talk  14:01, 11 November 2017 (UTC)
 * I was curious what had caused the issue. I suspected this was a real orbit for a wrong object, so I consulted https://ssd.jpl.nasa.gov/sbdb_query.cgi. With somewhat lose constraints (Q=2.8-2.9, q=2.0-2.1, a=2.4-2.5, e=0.16-0.17, i=3.3-3.4, node=105-110, peri=310-320) there was only one match, and it matched perfectly. See https://imgur.com/1ds1a0l. Funny enough, does not have its own article.Renerpho (talk) 23:17, 11 November 2017 (UTC)
 * Good job, your query does indeed pinpoint a single body. This also demonstrates that orbital elements rounded to 2 digits in the infobox remain unambiguous (adding  to the URL forces JPL's Search Engine to display the results rather than the query form). Why is it funny that there's no article for ?   R fassbind  – talk  03:54, 12 November 2017 (UTC)
 * When I found the wrong elements, I thought these maybe belonged in a different article (after all, they were well formatted and all). That there is no article for makes them look even more out of place. How did you come up with those elements when you added them?? But, as you said: Sleepy eyes. And poor 12345 isn't only the worst password, but also strikes as a dummy asteroid. Poor thing...Renerpho (talk) 08:07, 12 November 2017 (UTC)
 * Ah, I see. I use an online tool to generate infobox elements. It seems I confused (12345) with (385446). Thx again for noticing.  R fassbind  – talk  11:40, 14 November 2017 (UTC)

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List of trans-Neptunian objects
Hi Rfassbind,

as someone who used to visit that page quite often, I was deeply disappointed with the result of your big edit in october, which as I understand it completely replaced the tables that are the heart of this article, omitting information I consider crucial - namely the objects' orbital elements. I always found it most helpful to sort these tables by average orbital distance (and wished I could have merged them for this purpose), and quite enlightening to compare their other orbital elements. As they are now, I find those lists very uninteresting and wish they would revert to their former contents.

I would really appreciate it if you found a way to restore those tables to their original functionality! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 77.179.147.92 (talk) 04:51, 9 December 2017 (UTC)


 * Hi there. Sad to hear you find the list of trans-Neptunian objects "very uninteresting". It seems to me, what you are looking for is this:
 * JPL-SBDB query on all TNOs (sorted by a, ascending), 2467 matching objects


 * I still plan to work on the list of trans-Neptunian objects, adding a dedicated column for an object's semi-major axis. However, there is just no way to have a single table (or even a single article for that matter), as the number of TNO-discoveries will be growing by more than 40,000 according to LSST-projections. Please consider the article's talk page for further feedback. Best,  R fassbind  – talk  12:03, 9 December 2017 (UTC)

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PV map update
Hi, I think your map of PV watt per capita in Europe is very nice and useful. However, it has not been updated since 2014. Are you planning to add 2015 and 2016? I understand there has not been such a fast growth in Europe recently, but I think it's nice to have updated images anyway. Also it would be better to change the title to reflect the eventual updates in the future (that is, remove the years). Let me know how can I help in case. Thanks! --Ita140188 (talk) 09:04, 15 December 2017 (UTC)


 * Ciao Ita140188! Sure, the PV-per-capita-animation can be updated. Could you help me find the "installed-capacity-by country-figures" for 2015, 2016 and maybe even 2017? I think I documented the sources in detail for each slide (2014, and for tentative 2015). Best,  R fassbind  – talk  09:51, 15 December 2017 (UTC)

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7377 Pizzarello
FYI someone is having a go at turning this former #R into an article. It's not on the #R shortlist nor a candidate #R, but perhaps it's on one of your todo lists :)  ~ Tom.Reding (talk ⋅dgaf)  04:46, 5 February 2018 (UTC)
 * @, thx for noticing.
 * @, please note that the way you handled minor-planet redirect 30000 Camenzind – that is, moving it to invalid 30000 Camenzind (minor planet) and then editing the original page, rather than the target you created – was not OK and created extra work to me and others to resolve.
 * As for 7377 Pizzarello, this one does not pass WP:NASTRO. Even if Pizzarello was notable, you'll have to provide sufficient information from reliable sources, otherwise it will be reverted back to redirect status. When in doubt, and in order to avoid frustration, please contact me or any other core editor about a particular minor planet before you start editing. We're glad to help you. Thx,  R fassbind  – talk  01:26, 6 February 2018 (UTC)
 * Hi, you seem to be accusing me of doing several things wrong, but I don't really understand why. After I did my edits, each article was left at the correct address, and I made sure all redirects were pointing to the correct pages. I did not break anything and I did not put anything in the wrong place, so I'm not sure why you're accussing me of creating work for you.
 * Also, you've deleted the content I added. The content was supported by 3 reliable sources. How does removing this sourced content make Wikipedia better? Could you please explain?
 * Also, if you don't mind, would you please be able to explain to me how your behaviour is not WP:OWNERSHIP? I'm sure you're not doing that, but I can't really tell the difference, because I'm a newbie. If you could please explain, that would be great.
 * Thanks very much, DrVogel (talk) 01:42, 6 February 2018 (UTC)
 * Sure, here is why: you duplicated by moving the page including its history to , before you started editing the original page 30000 Camenzind. Why would you do that, duplicating the same subject, leaving them unrelated to each other? Moving pages means renaming them; you should only do this if you know what you are doing. Due to your subsequent edits I couldn't just move it back. I had to make a request, and the admin had to do an additional merger of the splitted history (so we could keep your edits). As far as I see on your talkpage an other editor left you a post concerning a "page move" you previously did. So no one is accusing you of doing incorrect page moves... people are telling you that you must not do such thing.
 * As for, the three reliable sources you mention are the two data base entries at and 7377. Did I miss another source? Please take a look at the text message on top of the redirect page (WP:NASTRO).
 * If you think I'm inappropriately possessive about this article as per WP:OWN, you may complain at the notice board or raise the issue about at WT:AST. Of course, since there is a broad consensus on Wikipedia that redirects like this one should not be turned into articles, defending these widely agreed-upon policies are quite tiresome so that I'll be less forthcoming in the future.   R fassbind  – talk  02:40, 6 February 2018 (UTC)
 * , Rfassbind's behavior is that of vast expertise and experience - he is the reason we have so many start-class minor planet articles instead of stubs and redirects. Your good-faith efforts are appreciated, though, and I think it's just a matter of time before you get a working-level of knowledge about out how Wikipedia operates and how the article creation & expansion process goes. Have a look at any of the minor planets on this list with "" next to them to get a good sense of what a notable MP's article looks like. Look through the history to see how they looked before, and how they got to look the way they do today. If you can't find a reasonable number of secondary sources on a particular MP, then it has no hope of getting anywhere near that level of quality, and will remain a micro/stub, and thus be redirected to the List of minor planets, per our WP:NASTRO policy. One of the other things you can do is go through Category:Stub-Class Astronomy articles to find stubs to expand, or Category:Start-Class Astronomy articles for slightly larger start-class articles to improve on, and you can ask for help at WT:AST.  ~ Tom.Reding (talk ⋅dgaf)  04:17, 6 February 2018 (UTC)

New Page Reviewer Newsletter
Hello, thank you for your efforts in reviewing new pages!

Backlog update: New Year Backlog Drive results:
 * The new page backlog is currently at 3819 unreviewed articles, with a further 6660 unreviewed redirects.
 * We are very close to eliminating the backlog completely; please help by reviewing a few extra articles each day!
 * We made massive progress during the recent four weeks of the NPP Backlog Drive, during which the backlog reduced by nearly six thousand articles and the length of the backlog by almost 3 months!

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Spelling out units
A question. In your latest edit of near-Earth object, you consistently changed "km" into "kilometers" resp. "m" into "meters". Why is that? I thought using symbols is OK in line with this passage in MOS:UNITNAMES: "symbols may be used when a unit (especially one with a long name) is used repeatedly, after spelling out the first use". Rontombontom (talk) 10:08, 9 February 2018 (UTC)
 * Yeah, that makes sense. Apologies. Keep up the good work! Cheers,  R fassbind  – talk  10:30, 9 February 2018 (UTC)

Center Template:Minor planet color code legend?
Looking at Meanings of minor planet names: 374001–375000 & the top of List of minor planets: 374001–375000 makes me want to center everything... Would that mess anything else up for you? The only place it might not look good is on List of minor planets, but parameters can be made that default to  (centered) if not specified, and % based left and right alignments otherwise. It might even look better left-justified or centered on List of minor planets. What do you think? If done, then I would followup with centering the corresponding TOC templates of course. ~ Tom.Reding (talk ⋅dgaf) 23:38, 27 February 2018 (UTC)
 * Sure Tom, thx for letting me know & pls go ahead. Best,  R fassbind  – talk  00:00, 28 February 2018 (UTC)
 * Yeaaah, that's the stuff...  ~ Tom.Reding (talk ⋅dgaf)  00:33, 28 February 2018 (UTC)
 * The horizontal alignment looks good im p-LoMPs and p-MoMPs. The centered color code template on is even better than before. FYI: I requested TE-status as several templates became protected lately; and it was immediately granted (below). Hope I can continue to count on your help when I'm in doubt. Best,   R fassbind  – talk

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Lopez, Lopez and... Lopez
There is some confusion about asteroid discoverers named Lopez because there are 3 people bearing that name. So the table you added in Álvaro López-García article is wrong, he actually discovered 12 asteroids only (in cooperation with H. Debehogne). 2nd one is Àngel López, according to my calculation he discovered 58 asteroids, 3 by himself and 55 in cooperation with R. Pacheco (here is his site with asteroid table). 3rd Lopez is Jean-Marie Lopez (J.M. Lopez), he discovered only 4. Even MPC calculated number of their discovereries incorrectly. Can you check it and correct these tables accordingly? I think tables in Álvaro López-García and Àngel López articles on Polish wiki where I edit are correct Pikador (talk) 12:31, 2 March 2018 (UTC)
 * Good catch, thx! Indeed, Alvaro and Angel are both listed as "A. Lopez" on MPC's Minor Planet Discoverers page. In addition, great that you mentioned the third one: Jean-Marie Lopez. It is wrong on en-Wikipedia as well (, taken by me from a legacy list). Due to these errors, the list of minor planet discoverers, two discoverer categories and dozens of minor-planet articles and redirects will have to be fixed in addition to the discovery-listing you mentioned. Well done that man! Thank you,  R fassbind  – talk  13:45, 2 March 2018 (UTC)

The Lopez situation should be resolved now: Plz let me know if something is still missing,  R fassbind  – talk  01:01, 3 March 2018 (UTC)
 * Álvaro López-García, discoveries 12, cat
 * Ángel López Jiménez, discoveries 58, cat
 * (#R), discoveries 4, cat
 * It looks OK now, thanks a lot. I also noticed many asteroids are missing in Gary Hug article and 2 asteroids are incorrectly assigned to him - (420597) 2012 HK40 and (421809) 2014 QG38. I updated the table in article about him on Polish wikipedia, you can use it as a reference. Pikador (talk) 08:14, 4 March 2018 (UTC)

New Page Review Newsletter No.10
Hello, thank you for your work reviewing New Pages! ACTRIAL:
 * ACTRIAL's six month experiment restricting new page creation to (auto)confirmed users ended on 14 March. As expected, a greatly increased number of unsuitable articles and candidates for deletion are showing up in the feed again, and the backlog has since increased already by ~30%. Please consider reviewing a few extra articles each day.

Paid editing
 * Now that ACTRIAL is inoperative pending discussion, please be sure to look for tell-tale signs of undisclosed paid editing. Contact the creator if appropriate, and submit the issue to WP:COIN if necessary.

Subject-specific notability guidelines
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 * Reviewers are requested to familiarise themselves with the new version of the notability guidelines for organisations and companies. A further discussion is currently taking place at: Can a subject specific guideline invalidate the General Notability Guideline?

Nominate competent users for Autopatrolled
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Charles William Shoppee
I wanted to let you know that I just tagged Charles William Shoppee for deletion, because it's too short to identify the subject of the article.

The page is a redirect, not an article. I'm confused as to why you are marking it as such.

As for the article, well, I'm working on that. Pdfpdf (talk) 03:02, 11 April 2018 (UTC)
 * I changed the template according to WP:R > 7. > WP:G8 --  R fassbind  – talk  03:14, 11 April 2018 (UTC)

Upcoming changes to wikitext parsing
Hello,

There will be some changes to the way wikitext is parsed during the next few weeks. It will affect all namespaces. You can see a list of pages that may display incorrectly at Special:LintErrors. Since most of the easy problems have already been solved at the English Wikipedia, I am specifically contacting tech-savvy editors such as yourself with this one-time message, in the hope that you will be able to investigate the remaining high-priority pages during the next month.

There are approximately 10,000 articles (and many more non-article pages) with high-priority errors. The most important ones are the articles with misnested tags and table problems. Some of these involve templates, such as infoboxes, or the way the template is used in the article. In some cases, the "error" is a minor, unimportant difference in the visual appearance. In other cases, the results are undesirable. You can see a before-and-after comparison of any article by adding ?action=parsermigration-edit to the end of a link, like this: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arthur_Foss?action=parsermigration-edit (which shows a difference in how infobox ship is parsed).

If you are interested in helping with this project, please see Linter. There are also some basic instructions (and links to even more information) at https://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/wikitech-ambassadors/2018-April/001836.html You can also leave a note at WT:Linter if you have questions.

Thank you for all the good things you do for the English Wikipedia. Whatamidoing (WMF) (talk) 21:18, 19 April 2018 (UTC)

Nomination for deletion of Template:Mpf
Template:Mpf has been nominated for deletion. You are invited to comment on the discussion at the template's entry on the Templates for discussion page. — Huntster (t @ c) 00:38, 16 May 2018 (UTC)

NPR Newsletter No.11 25 May 2018
Hello, thank you for your work reviewing New Pages!

ACTRIAL:
 * WP:ACREQ has been implemented. The flow at the feed has dropped back to the levels during the trial. However, the backlog is on the rise again so please consider reviewing a few extra articles each day; a backlog approaching 5,000 is still far too high. An effort is also needed to ensure that older unsuitable older pages at the back of the queue do not get automatically indexed for Google.

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Backlog drive:
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Editathons
 * There will be a large increase in the number of editathons in June. Please be gentle with new pages that obviously come from good faith participants, especially articles from developing economies and ones about female subjects. Consider using the 'move to draft' tool rather than bluntly tagging articles that may have potential but which cannot yet reside in mainspace.

Paid editing - new policy
 * Now that ACTRIAL is ACREQ, please be sure to look for tell-tale signs of undisclosed paid editing. Contact the creator if appropriate, and submit the issue to WP:COIN if necessary. There is a new global WMF policy that requires paid editors to connect to their adverts.

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Not English
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NPP Backlog Elimination Drive
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We can see the light at the end of the tunnel: there are currently 2900 unreviewed articles, and 4000 unreviewed redirects.

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 * Please do not be hasty, take your time and fully review each page. It is extremely important that we focus on quality reviewing.

Minor planets
No, I rather not edit already made pages. That defeats the purpose of what im doing. Im trying to eduacate people on things that has very lityle information. Not ones that need more editing. FLuca89 (talk) 17:13, 5 July 2018 (UTC)
 * Sure. Be well.  R fassbind  – talk  17:22, 5 July 2018 (UTC) (this post refers to my previous post)

Minor planet pages 300–400 with irregular DEFAULTSORTs
Hello Rfassbind, just noticed you were editing the categories with the minor planet pages between 300 and 400. However, I noticed that a few of these pages in this range had an irregular sort as instead of the normal  used by the rest of the pages. Since you're presumably pretty busy with all the other amazing edits you've been making on these pages, would you want me to make these DEFAULTSORT corrections, or were you already going to (while making the Category:Background asteroids edits, etc.)? Paintspot Infez (talk) 02:59, 18 July 2018 (UTC)
 * Yes, that's very kind of you.  R fassbind  – talk  03:04, 18 July 2018 (UTC)
 * Alright, if it wouldn't be too late by then, sometime tomorrow (Jul 18) I'll try to fix the sorts on the categories for that range of minor planet pages. Although I wouldn't know if any of the pages would need to switch categories (e.g. "Vesta asteroids" → "Background asteroids"), I can fix the sorts on the categories the pages are in. Paintspot Infez (talk) 03:13, 18 July 2018 (UTC)


 * Swapping default sortkey from padded-numeric to latinized-name – in conjunction with the sortkey change for individual categories – would be great, anytime. (I'll do the changes in asteroid family classification in the meantime). Most minor planet articles below #1000 still have the numeric sort key. Info: in 2015, Exoplanetaryscience introduced this zero-padded-sortkey, which is a useful type for many categories (but not as a defaultsort). If he reverts any of your sortkey-changes, please let me know.  R fassbind  – talk  03:28, 18 July 2018 (UTC)

100+ largest Jupiter trojans
Hello. I noticed the table had a problem with the leftmost column, and took a stab at fixing it per Manual of Style/Accessibility/Data tables tutorial. Please take a look at my version and let me know what you think. Cheers, BlackcurrantTea (talk) 06:52, 23 July 2018 (UTC)
 * : I think there is a misunderstanding. This is not a bug but a feature which allows the table to be sorted by the three different surveys (size estimates) while the static ranking column remains unchanged.  R fassbind  – talk  10:20, 23 July 2018 (UTC)
 * I see. Thanks for the explanation. You might want to look at it in various browsers. In Firefox the static column is noticeably shorter than the sortable ones, and the rows don't line up. In Safari the heights are very close but the rows still don't quite match. BlackcurrantTea (talk) 12:27, 23 July 2018 (UTC)
 * Thx, for the info. Since FireFox still accounts for 5% global usage it would be great to fix the styles. I'll try to amend the CSS. In the meantime, if you have any suggestions, please let me know.  R fassbind  – talk  12:35, 23 July 2018 (UTC)
 * Point taken... at least I wasn't going on about how it looks in Opera. This page is fun to play with for Wikimedia sites browser information, though I've not figured out how to separate information for individual sites (e.g. en.wikipedia as opposed to de.wikipedia), which would be interesting. Good luck with the CSS. Cheers, BlackcurrantTea (talk) 05:24, 24 July 2018 (UTC)

Argentinian Association of Amateur Astronomers
Hi! Do you have any ref about the change name of the association? Because I have never seen the association called "Amateur Aastronomers" anywhere, and it's not it's name.

I think even in english texts the name is always the original one -Asociacion Argentina "Amigos de la Astronomia"-.

Regards! --JoRgE-1987 (talk) 22:06, 25 July 2018 (UTC)
 * You're right! I shouldn't have made that move. I'll fix the first sentence of the article as soon as my request to move back the page has been executed. Thx for your helpful scrutiny.  R fassbind  – talk  22:29, 25 July 2018 (UTC)
 * Done -- I also adjusted the first sentence of the lead.

NPR Newsletter No.12 30 July 2018
Hello, thank you for your work reviewing New Pages!

Overall the June backlog drive was a success, reducing the last 3,000 or so to below 500. However, as expected, 90% of the patrolling was done by less than 10% of reviewers. Since the drive closed, the backlog has begun to rise sharply again and is back up to nearly 1,400 already. Please help reduce this total and keep it from raising further by reviewing some articles each day.
 * June backlog drive


 * New technology, new rules
 * New features are shortly going to be added to the Special:NewPagesFeed which include a list of drafts for review, OTRS flags for COPYVIO, and more granular filter preferences. More details can be found at this page.
 * Probationary permissions: Now that PERM has been configured to allow expiry dates to all minor user rights, new NPR flag holders may sometimes be limited in the first instance to 6 months during which their work will be assessed for both quality and quantity of their reviews. This will allow admins to accord the right in borderline cases rather than make a flat out rejection.
 * Current reviewers who have had the flag for longer than 6 months but have not used the permissions since they were granted will have the flag removed, but may still request to have it granted again in the future, subject to the same probationary period, if they wish to become an active reviewer.


 * Editathons
 * Editathons will continue through August. Please be gentle with new pages that obviously come from good faith participants, especially articles from developing economies and ones about female subjects. Consider using the 'move to draft' tool rather than bluntly tagging articles that may have potential but which cannot yet reside in mainspace.

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Nomination of Hyperbolic asteroid for deletion
A discussion is taking place as to whether the article Hyperbolic asteroid is suitable for inclusion in Wikipedia according to Wikipedia's policies and guidelines or whether it should be deleted.

The article will be discussed at Articles for deletion/Hyperbolic asteroid until a consensus is reached, and anyone, including you, is welcome to contribute to the discussion. The nomination will explain the policies and guidelines which are of concern. The discussion focuses on high-quality evidence and our policies and guidelines.

Users may edit the article during the discussion, including to improve the article to address concerns raised in the discussion. However, do not remove the article-for-deletion notice from the top of the article. w umbolo  ^^^  12:17, 1 September 2018 (UTC)
 * → The result of the discussion was keep –  R fassbind  – talk  00:31, 11 September 2018 (UTC)

"Temp wikidata" edits
Edits like this one at 212977 Birutė make performing a null edit on corresponding r avoided double redirects such as 212977 Birute necessary to clear them from CAT:AVOID2RUPDATE. What is the purpose of your "temp wikidata" edits? Best regards, — Godsy (TALK CONT ) 04:14, 5 September 2018 (UTC)
 * There are five more pages polluting the aforementioned category today due to your actions, e.g. 85970 Fundacaoterra and 95785 Csanyivilmos. Again, I will have to clean it up. Please cease such actions, find a better way to do it that does not require cleanup, or at least explain why it is necessary. — Godsy (TALK CONT ) 04:30, 7 September 2018 (UTC)
 * Sorry, I missed your first post. No problem. I'll check Category:Avoided double redirects to be updated myself and clear out those secondary redirects listed due to cache issues with a null edit, so they won't show up there for no longer than, say, 30 minutes. Thanks for letting me know. How many #Rs did you already remove from said category?  R fassbind  – talk  07:06, 7 September 2018 (UTC)
 * Sounds good. I have not had to fix too many. Out of curiosity: What do those "temp wikidata" edits do, create/allow the creation of a wikidata entry? — Godsy (TALK CONT ) 08:24, 7 September 2018 (UTC)
 * These edits are made in order to associate a Wikipedia redirect to a Wikidata item (otherwise the target of the redirect would be associated), so the redirect needs to be temporarily deactivated (description of workaround).  R fassbind  – talk  16:46, 7 September 2018 (UTC)
 * Nice to see you getting into Wikidata, Rfassbind. There's a handy tool I like called Quick statements that you might want to use if you're making lots of repetitive or systematically structured edits.  ~ Tom.Reding (talk ⋅dgaf)  12:41, 7 September 2018 (UTC)
 * Thx for the info. I did not know this cool tool. It will certainly become very helpful as we further progress on the systematics of the minor-planet project.  R fassbind  – talk  16:46, 7 September 2018 (UTC)
 * Also, you might want to use  to resolve WP pages to their associated WD QID. E.g.   -> . I've customized this to provide wikilinks to both the WP and WD pages, for convenience, and some additional info, at Module:Sandbox/Tom.Reding/Tools.   ~ Tom.Reding (talk ⋅dgaf)  21:07, 12 September 2018 (UTC)

Requested move
Just wondering why if you thought I did something wrong you didn't come talk to me back in February and waited until now tell someone else that you thought I handled something poorly? ~ GB fan 10:25, 12 September 2018 (UTC)
 * With all due respect, please don't start a new, unlinked thread referring to a feedback I just posted (and which also pinged you). My concern is with requests handled at/by WP:RMT. My feedback to, who I consider an expert on the subject, may or may not be of any value towards improving WP:RMT, but I encourage you to post your rationale there.  R fassbind  – talk  12:01, 12 September 2018 (UTC)
 * My concern has absolutely nothing to do with your thanking of Anthony. His talk page is not the place for me to ask you this question. ~ GB fan 12:33, 12 September 2018 (UTC)
 * Apologies, if either my post or my feedback has offended you in any way. For what exactly should I have come talk to you without delay?  R fassbind  – talk  13:50, 12 September 2018 (UTC)
 * If you had a concern about my action back in February that you say I handled poorly, Why didn't you ask me about that action? I had no idea that you thought my action was a problem.  The first I knew that you had a concern about that action was you telling another admin that what I did was a poor response to your request and that it somehow "undermines the concept of preserving a coherent edit history of this naming-anomaly."  So my question to you is why didn't you come to me and explain your concerns about my action so I could address those concerns in a timely manner? ~ GB fan 14:15, 12 September 2018 (UTC)
 * It's actually not for me to lecture administrators on how to deal with requests at WP:RMT, or why pages should be moved rather than created when the subject's title has changed. As you didn't consider my request when submitted, why would you listen to me later? (Actually, looking at our discussion here, you still did not acknowledge anything.) That's why I gave a feedback to an expert on the subject. I'm sure we both agree that Anthony is an expert. And if he cares, he will tell us what's right and wrong. I will certainly listen to what he has to say, and I hope you will do so as well.  R fassbind  – talk  13:25, 13 September 2018 (UTC)

Revert
I actually misclicked rollback on your edit. Sorry for the inconvenience. Kpg jhp  jm  11:52, 14 September 2018 (UTC)
 * No problem. Just undo your own rollback.  R fassbind  – talk  11:54, 14 September 2018 (UTC)

NPR Newsletter No.13 18 September 2018
Hello, thank you for your work reviewing New Pages!

The New Page Feed currently has 2700 unreviewed articles, up from just 500 at the start of July. For a while we were falling behind by an average of about 40 articles per day, but we have stabilised more recently. Please review some articles from the back of the queue if you can (Sort by: 'Oldest' at Special:NewPagesFeed), as we are very close to having articles older than one month.


 * Project news
 * The New Page Feed now has a new "Articles for Creation" option which will show drafts instead of articles in the feed, this shouldn't impact NPP activities and is part of the WMF's AfC Improvement Project.
 * As part of this project, the feed will have some larger updates to functionality next month. Specifically, ORES predictions will be built in, which will automatically flag articles for potential issues such as vandalism or spam. Copyright violation detection will also be added to the new page feed. See the projects's talk page for more info.


 * There are a number of coordination tasks for New Page Patrol that could use some help from experienced reviewers. See New pages patrol/Coordination for more info to see if you can help out.


 * Other
 * A new summary page of reliable sources has been created; Identifying reliable sources/Perennial sources, which summarizes existing RfCs or RSN discussions about regularly used sources.


 * Moving to Draft and Page Mover
 * Some unsuitable new articles can be best reviewed by moving them to the draft space, but reviewers need to do this carefully and sparingly. It is most useful for topics that look like they might have promise, but where the article as written would be unlikely to survive AfD. If the article can be easily fixed, or if the only issue is a lack of sourcing that is easily accessible, tagging or adding sources yourself is preferable. If sources do not appear to be available and the topic does not appear to be notable, tagging for deletion is preferable (PROD/AfD/CSD as appropriate). See additional guidance at WP:DRAFTIFY.
 * If the user moves the draft back to mainspace, or recreates it in mainspace, please do not re-draftify the article (although swapping it to maintain the page history may be advisable in the case of copy-paste moves). AfC is optional except for editors with a clear conflict of interest.
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Removal of minor planet redirects
Truly just curious here, why are you removing the redirects? for example. Jerod Lycett (talk) 20:22, 20 September 2018 (UTC)
 * Just temporarily to make a connection to Wikidata (also see .  R fassbind  – talk  20:26, 20 September 2018 (UTC)

Hyabusa-2 mission extension to 2001 WR1
Hello. I just noticed that if all goes according to plan, Hayabusa2 will bring asteroid samples back to Earth in 2020 and will still have 30 kg of xenon propellant left for its ion engines to flyby another target, tentatively: asteroid 172034 2001 WR1 in 2023. Although it is a plan that may or may not take place, it would be nice to have an article on this asteroid, if you have the interest and time. I have no experience creating articles for minor planets so that is the reason I contact you. Thank you. Rowan Forest (talk) 00:33, 22 September 2018 (UTC)
 * I created (172034) 2001 WR1. Best,  R fassbind  – talk  07:05, 22 September 2018 (UTC)
 * Thank you! I will link it to the Hyabusa2 article. CHeers, Rowan Forest (talk) 14:40, 22 September 2018 (UTC)

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Minor planets (II)
Hello, Rebestalic here again. Expanding on my reply to your post on my talk page--what would you like me to do? Should I revert all my changes to the minor planet articles or should I remain stationary? Thank you, Rebestalic (talk) 21:16, 9 November 2018 (UTC)
 * Hi, sorry for my late reply. I recommend to pause further edits of the kind described on your talk page for the time being. I don't think you need to revert anything right now. OK? (Note: let's continue the discussion only on your talk page, as linked above. It's typically a bad thing to start parallel discussions on different pages. You also might want to read about Template:Ping and/or Template:User which generate a special user-notification.) Best,  R fassbind  – talk  13:07, 12 November 2018 (UTC)

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Asteroid category "unclassifiable asteroids"
Hello Rfassbind! I just noticed there's a category Category:Unclassifiable asteroids (Tholen), with 1566 Icarus as its most prominent member. I can not find anything regarding this in the article text, nor do I see any sources (outside of Wikipedia) indicating that Icarus's spectrum is beyond what Tholen can handle. What's the purpose of that category? Same for unclassifiable asteroids (SMASS). Renerpho (talk) 10:09, 6 January 2019 (UTC)
 * Hi, for Category:Unclassifiable asteroids (Tholen) and listed items, see Tholen's dissertation (description on p.74; example on p.123, 650 Amalasuntha), as well as PDS – Asteroid Taxonomy (data file), where  has been replaced with  .   R fassbind  – talk  11:59, 6 January 2019 (UTC)

Size measurement of 2019 AQ3
Hey, just wanted to let you know on the page of 2019 AQ3, that I would prefer in the spirit of scientific accuracy if the size inaccuracy of 2019 AQ3 was properly represented. While we have 2 'approximate' measurements of its size, from the MPC and an almost public-end site, neither of them are using any more data that they personally have access to than we do. I'm not sure where the ESA gets its size measurement from but I'm assuming it's a very generic one on average asteroid size, but I do know for sure that the MPC only marks asteroids as being 1 km+ if they have a possibility of being that large, not necessarily a firm size constraint. Currently the best I can say to constrain the diameter is that it's between ~500 and ~1800 meters, and anyone currently claiming to have a more accurate diameter than that is making completely unfounded assumptions. exoplanetaryscience (talk) 21:01, 8 January 2019 (UTC)
 * Hi . Thx for your feedback. It makes sense to emphasize that these figures are estimates and not measurements (although the article never suggested that) and explore the range of possible sizes (see latest edit and follow-ups). It is unclear why ESA and the MPC (as well as CNEOS?) decided to base their size estimates for 2019 AQ3 on an albedo of 0.08 and less than 0.15, respectively, but they obviously do, so to properly cite the best available sources seems pretty damn good to me. I only wished that all 3350 minor planet articles would receive the same amount of scrutiny.  R fassbind  – talk  02:42, 9 January 2019 (UTC)

6478 Gault was recently created, awkwardly cobbled together (maybe take a look at it? Yikes)
Because it's now become notable (since it's involved in the largest asteroid-to-asteroid collision in recorded history), the article 6478 Gault was apparently recently created. I've tried to help add missing categories and template, but I know I didn't get everything. Since you're one of the main editors of minor planet pages and ensuring they're consistent, you might want to take a look at (or possibly revise) this awkwardly cobbled-together asteroid stub (especially since it's become a bit of a popular-ish article). Paintspot Infez (talk) 03:43, 10 January 2019 (UTC)
 * Thx for letting me know. I'm on it, assuming you are currently no longer amending 6478 Gault (otherwise plz tell me).  R fassbind  – talk  03:48, 10 January 2019 (UTC)
 * Don't worry, I'm not amending it right now. Thanks so much! Paintspot Infez (talk) 03:53, 10 January 2019 (UTC)

Category:Minor planet objects continuity (T29)
The minor planet category continuity situation is currently pretty confusing. I have no problem with the categories' use & descriptions as they are (they are definitely an improvement), but retaining the history, and retaining the correct/appropriate histories could be improved. Laying this out as systematically and neatly as I can:


 * 1) What was done: Category:Minor planet object articles (numbered) was created, referring to Category:Numbered minor planets in the creation edit summary. What I think should have been done: Category:Numbered minor planets (which was for articles only) be moved to Category:Minor planet object articles (numbered).
 * 2) What was done: Category:Minor planet object articles (unnumbered) was created, referring to Category:Minor planet redirects in the creation edit summary (doubly confusing). What I think should have been done: see #5.1.
 * 3) What was done: Category:Minor planet object redirects (non-primary) was created. What I think should have been done: ✅.
 * 4) What was done: Category:Minor planet object redirects (numbered) was created, referring to Category:Minor planet redirects in the creation edit summary. What I think should have been done: Category:Minor planet redirects (formerly the largest cat) be moved to Category:Minor planet object redirects (numbered) (now the largest cat).
 * 5) What was done: Category:Unnumbered minor planets (for articles) was moved to Category:Minor planet object redirects (unnumbered) (doubly confusing). What I think should have been done (1): Category:Unnumbered minor planets (which was for articles, not #Rs) be moved to Category:Minor planet object articles (unnumbered) instead. What I think should have been done (2): Category:Minor planet object redirects (unnumbered) be created instead of moved.

Re: use of "object" in the new cat names. What do you think about this hierarchy:
 * Parent: Category:Minor planet articles and redirects instead of Category:Minor planet objects
 * Children: "object" removed from their name?

If we decide to remove "object" from the cat names, I think I can round-robin move all of them around to make all (or nearly) of the above changes. ~ Tom.Reding (talk ⋅dgaf) 23:36, 11 January 2019 (UTC)


 * Hi, thx for adding ) to Category:Numbered minor planets (my bad):
 * Could you please tell me what exactly is confusing to you (current vs. the previous situation)?
 * Why the term "object" bothers you so much?
 * So basically, you disapprove that I moved Category:Unnumbered minor planets [ Category:Minor planet redirects ] to Category:Minor planet object redirects (unnumbered) rather than Category:Minor planet object articles (unnumbered)‎ [ Category:Minor planet object redirects (numbered)] ] and that I newly created Category:Minor planet object articles (numbered) rather than moving it from Category:Numbered minor planets. [corrected as per response below,  R fassbind  – talk  06:27, 24 January 2019 (UTC)]


 * Sure, you are perfectly correct to point out that categories should/could have been moved rather than recreated. This would have been much simpler as well. However, creating a new, stand-alone category was an intermediary step and helped me to identify numerous mis-categorization among the nearly 30,000 pages. (It also helped me to avoid making new mistakes.) Reading your post is disappointing to me, because in my view, it is not constructive (knowing things better after the fact) while it is missing the obvious issues that still need to be tackled. Unfortunately, you don't even mention any of them.  R fassbind  – talk  07:40, 14 January 2019 (UTC)


 * - I explained above exactly what is confusing - "What was done" vs. "What I think should have been done". I've now added emphasis to be clearer, and identified the most confusing actions.
 * - "Object" is redundant. Are there non-object minor planets? Why not nest the categories directly under Category:Minor planets? If this is an intermediate step of sorts then disregard.
 * - No. And the fact that even you are having a hard time retracing your own recent actions, let alone another editor happening across them for the first time, is exactly my point. Category:Minor planet object redirects (unnumbered) was moved from Category:Unnumbered minor planets, not Category:Minor planet redirects. See #5.1.
 * I'm advocating history retention, continuity, and ease of deciphering this category jumbling. How is that unconstructive?   ~ Tom.Reding (talk ⋅dgaf)  15:31, 22 January 2019 (UTC)

I might help you with your confusion.
 * Look at this edit. This is a redirect of an unnumbered minor planet that belonged to Category:Unnumbered minor planets, as all pages of this specific type did. Yet in #5 you assert that said category only contained "articles", not redirects. Here's another example. So who exactly is having a hard time retracing his own actions? A should solve #1 and #4. The typo in the edit summary unsurprisingly demonstrates that I'm not perfect either.
 * You made the point that the errors I made in my first post (which I corrected) are somehow indicative of me jumbling with the categorization. Nothing could be farther from the truth, as I took great care in transitioning all the pages and amending templates and documenting categories, fixing several inconsistencies in the process.
 * You claim that the term "object" is redundant, as there are seemingly no "non-object minor planets". This completely ignores the fact that Category:Minor planets is about the topic and not the plural of "a minor planet" (which of course is always an object). Grouping all objects into Category:Minor planet objects (a child of Category:Astronomical objects and a sibling of Category:Cometary objects) concurs with grouping all lists into Category:Lists of minor planets (a child of Lists of Solar System objects and a sibling of Category:Lists of comets). Your first proposal ("Category:Minor planet articles and redirects") is a misnomer. Your second proposal (nesting the categories directly under "Minor planets") is certainly a possibility.  R fassbind  – talk  06:27, 24 January 2019 (UTC)

Reformatting the asteroid family article to be more informative
Hey, wanted to run the idea by you since you seem to be a primary contributor to the article. I was thinking of reformatting Asteroid family so that more data would be easily searchable/sortable: Basically a sort of info table with stuff like a,e,i,age,members etc, as right now it seems to only serve as a cursory summary of asteroid groups when adding more detailed info would likely take up just as much space. What are your thoughts/input into crating that? exoplanetaryscience (talk) 00:17, 12 January 2019 (UTC)
 * Hi Sure. Are you referring to this table I sourced from Nesvorny's publication, or are you talking about the one below, or both? As the first table already contains some of the data you suggest, it would be very helpful to me if you could make a (simple) example so that I better understand. Will this information come form a single or dozens of sources; and do they exist for most families at all?   R fassbind  – talk  07:59, 14 January 2019 (UTC)
 * Sorry for the delay, I compiled an example using the Pallas and Juno families that is effectively a full version of what I was suggesting. User:Exoplanetaryscience/sandbox. The sources used are specifically the JPL SBDB for "current epoch" elements, as well as AstDyS for proper elements (hopefully if I can come up with a concise way to process those for large quantities of asteroids) and using the source in the tables you mentioned for the asteroids in the families. Maybe the vectors (node and peri) are too much, but the others would definitely be helpful, especially if I eventually become knowledgeable enough in asteroid orbits to reliably calculate proper elements. exoplanetaryscience (talk) 03:19, 18 January 2019 (UTC)
 * Thx for your example of a 20-column table:
 * I will try to replicate your proposal with one of the other 122 listed families, one that is not as prominent as the Juno and Pallas family.
 * Again my question: are just talking about expanding Nesvorny's 122-family table, or does your suggestion include the one below with alternative family determinations by Zappalà, Milani and Knežević, and others?
 * Just to rule out any misunderstandings, and since these families (in both tables) were determined by the hierarchical clustering method (a chaining-method using an arbitrarily defined cutoff distances by the individual astronomers), how do you intent to derive the orbital elements for the families from your mentioned sources, namely "the JPL SBDB for "current epoch" elements, as well as AstDyS for proper elements"?
 * Do you know the Small Bodies Data Ferret which also list Nesvorny's family members using synthetic proper elements? And my listing of Nesvorny's asteroid families I did some time ago?
 * Which of the 12 newly proposed columns do you think are most important? And which (beside Ω and ω) are least important to you?
 * Why does your example not include the last two columns of the existing table ("cat" and "LoMP"). Do you think they are unhelpful?
 * Till soon, thx for the effort.  R fassbind  – talk  07:43, 18 January 2019 (UTC)
 * Aaaand we quickly run into some issues with original research on wikipedia. I'll try to address all of the points:
 * I think we should take as many sources for proposed asteroid families as possible. In the end it is fairly subjective what constitutes a 'family' versus a bunch of coincidental asteroids (as it quickly appeared the Juno family may have been when I looked into it), but I would say if something has been researched to the point of a paper being published (and accepted) on it, then there's a good case for listing it, even if they dont necessarily agree on what is what.
 * I'm not entirely sure. What I used in the table was just a maximum range, maybe we should use some sort of FWHM as error bars from the orbit of the primary asteroid, accounting for 'noise' from background asteroids. The situation is complicated, and any attempt at simplifying it from that I feel would compromise the quality of the data, even if it takes longer to do this way. Still, the problem exists that I need to find the precision and accuracy of the various sources of proper elements, as well as arbitrating which asteroids to include in a family when multiple sources disagree (For what it's worth, AstDyS has quite a thorough independent listing of asteroid families, but it's sadly much less thorough on that than the papers you listed. For instance, it gives about 30 asteroids in the Pallas family despite Nesvorný et al giving over 120.)
 * I was using the SBDF for the example chart I made, combined with data from JPL and some 'advice' from AstDyS.
 * I would say the most important are the age, semimajor axis, eccentricity, and inclination (which I should hopefully be able to change to proper elements if the SBDF turns out to be reliable with its proper elements). I would say while not critical, the 'cause' would be useful to distinguish dynamical groups from physically related groups. And I might even shy away from including the former entirely, lest you end up having to get on a slippery slope of including planetary trojans, plutinos- every resonant region in the solar system. Even then, it would still be useful to distinguish from so-called impacting families composed of little pot-shots taken off of large asteroids, or the so-called collision families composed of an asteroid or two that completely disintegrated, which should be easily identifiable with families that don't have an obvious 'largest asteroid'. (not to disgress more than I already am, but it would be interesting to check the orbits of these collisional families against each other and see if any 'intersect' i.e. were each other's culprit). Some of the less important stuff would be the mass (since we cant constrain that very well for some of the smaller asteroid groups) and the fairly redundant perihelion and aphelion distance which one could probably infer from the eccentricity range.
 * I didn't include the Cat and LoMP because for the former, wikipedia's articles are largely incomplete and if you look at the Juno family for instance, besides Juno, only 7 of the 19 other largest members even hare real links to them, and even then, exactly none of those are actual articles and instead redirect to the minor planet list. As for the LoMP, I do consider that to be relatively unhelpful, especially for collisional families, as that only links to a single member when the family isn't necessarily defined by "here's the main asteroid", "oh and here's some others that we can tack onto that". In a way, that's what I wanted to focus on with the proposed change, focusing less on a supplemental article for the primary asteroid and some general details surrounding it, and more into the specifics of the family. If you hadn't mentioned in the article on 6478 Gault that it was a member of the Phocaea family, I doubt anyone would have noticed its relation at all for months at least.
 * exoplanetaryscience (talk) 23:24, 18 January 2019 (UTC)


 * Any updates? exoplanetaryscience (talk) 03:26, 26 February 2019 (UTC)
 * , I'm deeply sorry and will answer today.  R fassbind  – talk  07:30, 26 February 2019 (UTC)
 * , what I hate most about myself is to make promises I don't keep: I'm sorry for my prolonged absence. I have not been active on Wikipedia for the last few weeks and I probably will be absent until the end May (except for any M.P.C. release). I believe the used HCM-based model and your proposed "block"-definition of Asteroid families in the 3D-proper-element space are incompatible and will lead to contradictions. However, if you are convinced that your proposed 20-column table can be produced (that is the required data can be properly sourced and/or derived from existing sources), then I'm glad to assist in preparing that table. Since that will be a very large table, I suggest to create a stand-alone List of asteroid families / List of minor planet families and keep the existing simple version in the original article. Once again, I am sorry to have kept you waiting for so long and I hope I can make up for it some day.  R fassbind  – talk  00:41, 19 March 2019 (UTC)
 * Hi, don't worry at all about your preoccupations or activity. I've suffered from a lack of activity in projects I've told people I'd work on as well and definitely know how things can get out of hand. I'll try and make a more complete list and make sure it's appropriately referenced in my sandbox. exoplanetaryscience (talk) 00:55, 19 March 2019 (UTC)

Re:- Special:diff/883358900
So, this is a very correct assessment by you on the matter. The situation is not helped by the fact that I am the one why created the redirect at the Italian Wikipedia. I am unsure how I can improve the our coverage of the subject, however. I would like find some way to write in the limited amount of space available that 175563 Amyrose is named after her. I can't find a good way to do that. Do you have any suggestions? Pls Ping Response &#8213; Matthew J. Long  -Talk-☖  00:02, 15 February 2019 (UTC)
 * In the List of minor planet discoverers, the last column contains a link to the 175563 citation for those astronomers that have a minor planet named after them (such as for Amy E. Rose). Any additional biographical information can be added to the corresponding (meanings of minor planet names) if there is no stand-alone article and no corresponding stand-alone minor-planet article for that person. By the way, the LoMP table, which is the redirect target for asteroid 175563 Amyrose, also provides a link to the MoMP-list (3rd column of of table). Hope this was helpful.   R fassbind  – talk  00:27, 15 February 2019 (UTC)


 * On second thought, I replaced the external with an internal link, so that the last column in now directly links to the corresponding entry via . In this way LOMPD (list of discoverers), MOMP (list of naming citations) and LOMP (minor planet catalog) are all directly interconnected.   R fassbind  – talk  01:28, 15 February 2019 (UTC)
 * , oh my gosh, you are a genius! Thank you a ton!!! That really fixes all my problems here. I really appreciate it! :D &#8213; Matthew J. Long -Talk-☖  02:01, 15 February 2019 (UTC) (I honestly really like the changes. I am so glad I asked for your thoughts on the matter!) &#8213; Matthew J. Long  -Talk-☖  02:02, 15 February 2019 (UTC)

Separate floating tables of asteroids is not a good idea
Hi, Rfassbind. I see that you reverted my single table of asteroids for each discoverer. I believe that having multiple floating tables is not a good idea, for multiple reasons:
 * 1) The floating tables don't always align horizontally. On my Firefox, the asteroids for Gene Shoemaker look like this:  . Notice how the asteroids are out of order: the blocks go left, center, right, next row right, then next row left, center right. People won't be able to easily scan the table.
 * 2) On mobile phones (such as Android), the multiple floating tables don't look good either (see ). The entire table turns into a single column, but the columns aren't aligned.
 * 3) Multiple stacked floating lists are an WP:ACCESSIBILITY problem. If blind people use screen readers to read Wikipedia, they get a separate spoken entity for each table, which is confusing and slow.
 * 4) Wikipedia is often used by automated scraping algorithms to populate databases (see, e.g. ). Using multiple tables when there is one semantic table will confuse any scraping.

If you really want multiple columns, then I would suggest abandoning tables and using div col and div col end. The nice thing about these templates is that they can adapt to the width of the user's browser. The sad thing about these templates is that they cannot represent the three separate columns that you have now: you'd have to do something like [[2430 Bruce Helin], 8 November 1977, &thinsp;

If it were up to me, I would go back to the single table and three columns. What do you think? —hike395 (talk) 03:36, 20 February 2019 (UTC)


 * Hi, thx for your feedback. Your suggestion to hide overly long lists is very much appreciated (irrespective of whether or not using the collapsible-attribute for that purpose is the right choice). The floating-table layout in these kind of articles already exist for years and have helped to avoid horribly looking articles. As for #1 and #2, I'll do some cross-browser checking and CSS testing. As for #3 I'm all for accessibility, so that the visually impaired have less troubles with their screen readers. That said, and since I'm a sighted person, I will have to contact my colleges (who actually use these devices) to tell me whether the floating tables issue is actually their biggest concern (I presume you are not visually impaired). As for #4, I doubt that search bots should define the layout of a article, if this means that an overly-long, single-column table will force the reader to scroll indefinitely.  R fassbind  – talk  04:11, 20 February 2019 (UTC)


 * It could be that these are such low-pageview articles that no one bothered to fix the disordered table layout for years. I don't think we can take that as a sign of consensus.


 * I object to the floating tables, and would prefer another solution. Should we ask for other ideas at Wikipedia talk:Manual of Style/Tables, WT:ASTRONOMY, or both? —hike395 (talk) 06:27, 20 February 2019 (UTC)


 * As a compromise, how about breaking each list into 2 tables that automatically go side-by-side if there is enough room? I've created an example of this at User:Hike395/asteroids. I gave headers to each table and used "display:inline". I also placed fixed widths on the columns, in order to look good on mobile (where the tables may be stacked on top of each other). —hike395 (talk) 13:52, 20 February 2019 (UTC)
 * The "display"-attribute set to "inline" looked strange on the individual table headers (chorme/ubuntu) up to this version of your example. I thought the enlarged table-widths I added to the discoveries by Eugene Shoemaker solved the problem of the staggered tables... or didn't they?  R fassbind  – talk  20:30, 25 February 2019 (UTC)
 * Please don't judge the earlier versions of the test: I was testing it on various combinations of browser + astronomers and ended up tweaking the parameters. Does the overall two-column table idea look ok to you?
 * Sadly, the enlarged table widths in that version did not make a better layout, for Ubuntu+Firefox 65, see . I was trying different ideas here, and came to the conclusion that anything more than 2 columns could have the possibility of a strange layout: I couldn't guarantee that it would never layout in a strange order. —hike395 (talk) 07:26, 26 February 2019 (UTC)

NPR Newsletter No.17


Hello ,


 * News
 * The WMF has announced that Google Translate is now available for translating articles through the content translation tool. This may result in an increase in machine translated articles in the New Pages Feed. Feel free to use the tag and gently remind (or inform) editors that translations from other language Wikipedia pages still require attribution per WP:TFOLWP.


 * Discussions of interest
 * Two elements of CSD G6 have been split into their own criteria: R4 for redirects in the "File:" namespace with the same name as a file or redirect at Wikimedia Commons (Discussion), and G14 for disambiguation pages which disambiguate zero pages, or have "(disambiguation)" in the title but disambiguate a single page (Discussion).
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 * The NPP flowchart now has clickable hyperlinks.

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undue precision
Hey, re. your Template:Largest Jupiter trojans, the figs indicate that IRAS and Akari have the sizes down to the nearest 10m, and WISE to the nearest meter. That is, of course, not true. Could you either include the margins of error, or round off to the number of significant figures? Thanks — kwami (talk) 05:36, 15 April 2019 (UTC)

Jupiter trojans
A majority of articles on individual Jupiter trojans, specifically in the Orbit and classification section, include "...ahead of the Gas Giant's orbit..." or "...behind on the Gas Giant's orbit...". These don't seem grammatically correct, as "Gas Giant" should not be capitalized. "Behind on the..." also doesn't seem right, and I suggest changing that to "Behind its", referring Jupiter as "it". There is also another issue with L5 Jupiter trojans, where "trailering" is used instead of "trailing". I've edited some Jupiter trojan articles although there is much more remaining. I'm not sure if you had not noticed this mistake during your revisions on these articles. Nrco0e (talk) 02:55, 2 May 2019 (UTC)

NPR Newsletter No.18


Hello ,

, a product manager for the growth team, announced that work is underway in implementing improvements to New Page Patrol as part of the 2019 Community Wishlist and suggests all who are interested watch the project page on meta. Two requested improvements have already been completed. These are:
 * WMF at work on NPP Improvements
 * Allow filtering by no citations in page curation
 * Not having CSD and PRODs automatically marked as reviewed, reflecting current consensus among reviewers and current Twinkle functionality.

has been compiling a list of reliable sources across countries and industries that can be used by new page patrollers to help judge whether an article topic is notable or not. At this point further discussion is needed about if and how this list should be used. Please consider joining the discussion about how this potentially valuable resource should be developed and used.
 * Reliable Sources for NPP

Look for information on the an upcoming backlog drive in our next newsletter. If you'd like to help plan this drive, join in the discussion on the New Page Patrol talk page.
 * Backlog drive coming soon


 * News
 * Following a request for comment, the subject-specific notability guideline for pornographic actors and models (WP:PORNBIO) was removed; in its place, editors should consult WP:ENT and WP:GNG.


 * Discussions of interest
 * A request for bot approval for a bot to patrol two kinds of redirects
 * There has been a lot discussion about Notability of Academics
 * What, if anything, would a SNG for Softball look like

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Meanings of minor planet names: 13001–14000
Hi noticing the external links in the text (as for example Carl Jorgensen, Canadian amateur astronomer † , I was wondering if there is a specific reason to do so. Would you mind if I add them to the references section? Thank you for your time. Lotje (talk) 05:29, 7 June 2019 (UTC)
 * Hi, thank you for your caution. In the MOMP-tables, external links labelled with a  are older, legacy references from before we introduced the  -column using either  or  templates. In the case of Carl Jorgensen, , the †-reference is (almost) identical to what is cited at 13057/, and therefore not needed. So I would just remove this legacy link rather than creating a proper citation that will need maintenance as URLs tend to change.
 * Scrolling further down the list, the external link to "www.gamp-pt.it/citazioni.htm" for Sauro Romagnani, at, is an example of such a dead URL (this one should be removed as well) and at , for Rogers E. Smith, the JPL-Ref, is also a legacy (wrong number; already covered by the MPC-ref in the last column).
 * In case you would like to spend some time with the Meanings-list, may I recommend to check those entries marked with an asterisk . Some of them might not be correct or incomplete and need to be updated according to the MPC/JPL sources before the asterisk can be removed.  R fassbind  – talk  08:15, 7 June 2019 (UTC)
 * ✅ the removals. The rest, I will indeed take a look at it an see if I can be of any help. Lotje (talk) 08:29, 7 June 2019 (UTC)

Nomination of List of minor planets: 500001–501000 for deletion
A discussion is taking place as to whether the article List of minor planets: 500001–501000 is suitable for inclusion in Wikipedia according to Wikipedia's policies and guidelines or whether it should be deleted.

The article will be discussed at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of minor planets: 500001–501000 until a consensus is reached, and anyone, including you, is welcome to contribute to the discussion. The nomination will explain the policies and guidelines which are of concern. The discussion focuses on high-quality evidence and our policies and guidelines.

Users may edit the article during the discussion, including to improve the article to address concerns raised in the discussion. However, do not remove the article-for-deletion notice from the top of the article. –dlthewave ☎ 17:36, 23 June 2019 (UTC)

revert
placing article per MEDMOSManual_of_Style/Medicine-related_articles?--Ozzie10aaaa (talk) 23:33, 26 June 2019 (UTC)
 * Hi Ozzie, your removal of content without explanation seemed inappropriate. Sorry, if I did not understand your intentions, but could you please add an edit comment whenever you remove large portions of an article? Thx,  R fassbind  – talk  00:09, 27 June 2019 (UTC)

New Page Review newsletter July-August 2019


Hello ,

More new features are being added to the feed, including the important red alert for previously deleted pages. This will only work if it is selected in your filters. Best is to 'select all'. Do take a moment to check out all the new features if you have not already done so. If anything is not working as it should, please let us know at NPR. There is now also a live queue of AfC submissions in the New Pages Feed. Feel free to review AfCs, but bear in mind that NPP is an official process and policy and is more important. Articles are still not always being checked thoroughly enough. If you are not sure what to do, leave the article for a more experienced reviewer. Please be on the alert for any incongruities in patrolling and help your colleagues where possible; report patrollers and autopatrolled article creators who are ostensibly undeclared paid editors. The displayed ORES alerts offer a greater 'at-a-glance' overview, but the new challenges in detecting unwanted new content and sub-standard reviewing do not necessarily make patrolling any easier, nevertheless the work may have a renewed interest factor of a different kind. A vibrant community of reviewers is always ready to help at NPR. The backlog is still far too high at between 7,000 and 8,000. Of around 700 user rights holders, 80% of the reviewing is being done by just TWO users. In the light of more and more subtle advertising and undeclared paid editing, New Page Reviewing is becoming more critical than ever. NPR is triage, it is not a clean up clinic. This move feature is not limited to bios so  you may have to slightly re-edit the text in the template before you save the move. Anything that is not fit for mainspace but which might have some promise can be draftified - particularly very poor English and machine and other low quality translations. Remember to use the message feature if you are just tagging an article for maintenance rather than deletion. Otherwise articles are likely to remain perma-tagged. Many creators are SPA and have no intention of returning to Wikipedia. Use the feature too for leaving a friendly note note for  the author of a first article you found well made or interesting. Many have told us they find such comments particularly welcoming and encouraging. Admins are now taking advantage of the new time-limited user rights feature. If you have recently been accorded NPR, do check your user rights to see if this affects you. Depending on your user account preferences, you may receive automated notifications of your rights changes. Requests for permissions are not mini-RfAs. Helpful comments are welcome if absolutely necessary, but the bot does a lot of the work and the final decision is reserved for admins who do thorough research anyway. School and academic holidays will begin soon in various places around the Western world. Be on the lookout for the usual increase in hoax, attack, and other junk pages.
 * WMF at work on NPP Improvements
 * QUALITY of REVIEWING
 * Backlog
 * Move to draft
 * Notifying users
 * PERM
 * Other news

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Copyright discussion
Just wanted to let you know that I've listed Meanings of minor planet names: 100001–101000 at the copyright problems noticeboard. –dlthewave ☎ 21:39, 1 July 2019 (UTC)

Meanings of minor planet names: 500001–501000 AFD repeat
I am contacting everyone who participated at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of minor planets: 500001–501000 to tell you the same discussion is happening again at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Meanings of minor planet names: 500001–501000.  D r e a m Focus  12:33, 5 July 2019 (UTC)

Ellen Howell on it.wiki
Hello, can you please provide an external source to justify the removal of "Suzanne" from the name of the astronomer you did on it.wiki for the article about astronomer Ellen Howell? Please note that italian articles links an external source (see note #2) supporting the presence of "Suzanne"; hence it is not enough to say that en.wiki does not show "Suzanne" in a generic list of discoverers. Best Regards. --Ysogo (talk) 22:06, 13 August 2019 (UTC)
 * Hi Ysogo, thx for pointing out that genealogy source, where indeed the following entry can be found:
 * I have now reinserted "Suzanne" as middle name in the article. Sorry for the inconvenience this has caused. Best,  R fassbind  – talk  22:38, 13 August 2019 (UTC)
 * I have now reinserted "Suzanne" as middle name in the article. Sorry for the inconvenience this has caused. Best,  R fassbind  – talk  22:38, 13 August 2019 (UTC)

Swiss controversy advice
Hi. Can you please take a look at Draft:Zava? It is a properly stated conflict of interest contribution. I see from your profile that you are from Switzerland, so I decided to ask for your advice. There was a controversy around launching DrEd in Switzerland that is exempt from the article because I couldn’t quite grasp the nature of this controversy (I am not a German speaker and Google translate is unreliable). These two articles cover it (Blick, Ktipp). Maybe you can suggest the right wording to describe the controversy? My original wording was On June 20, 2012, DrEd was launched in Switzerland, where it faced opposition from local cantonal pharmacy supervisors, but I am not sure that this is the right description. Thank you in advance. --Bbarmadillo (talk) 18:37, 19 August 2019 (UTC)--Bbarmadillo (talk) 18:37, 19 August 2019 (UTC)

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Community Insights Survey
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New Page Review newsletter September-October 2019
Hello ,

Instead of reaching a magic 300 as it once did last year, the backlog approaching 6,000 is still far too high. An effort is also needed to ensure that older unsuitable older pages at the back of the queue do not get automatically indexed for Google.
 * Backlog

A proposal is taking place here to confirm a nominated user as Coordinator of NPR.
 * Coordinator

Why I Hate Speedy Deleters, a 2008 essay by long since retired, is still as valid today. Those of us who patrol large numbers of new pages can be forgiven for  making  the occasional  mistake while  others can learn from  their 'beginner' errors. Worth reading.
 * This month's refresher course

Do bear in mind that articles in the feed showing the trash can icon (you will need to have 'Nominated for deletion' enabled for this in your filters) may have been tagged by inexperienced or non NPR rights holders using Twinkle. They require your further verification.
 * Deletion tags

Please be sure to look for the tell-tale signs of undisclosed paid editing. Contact the creator if appropriate, and submit the issue to WP:COIN if necessary. WMF policy requires paid editors to connect to their adverts.
 * Paid editing


 * Subject-specific notability guidelines' (SNG). Alternatives to deletion
 * Reviewers are requested to familiarise themselves once more with notability guidelines for organisations and companies.
 * Blank-and-Redirect is a solution anchored in policy. Please consider this alternative before PRODing or CSD. Note however, that users will often revert or usurp redirects to re-create deleted articles. Do regularly patrol the redirects in the feed.

Regular reviewers will appreciate the most recent  enhancements to  the New Pages Feed and  features in the Curation  tool, and there are still more to  come. Due to the wealth  of information  now displayed by  ORES, reviewers are strongly  encouraged to  use the system now rather than Twinkle; it  will  also  correctly  populate the logs.
 * Not English
 * A common issue: Pages not in English or poor, unattributed machine translations should not reside in main space even if they are stubs. Please ensure you are familiar with WP:NPPNE. Check in Google for the language and content, and if they do have potential, tag as required, then move to draft. Modify the text of the template as appropriate before sending it.
 * Tools

Stub sorting, by SD0001: A new script is available for adding/removing stub tags. See User:SD0001/StubSorter.js, It features a simple HotCat-style dynamic search field. Many of the reviewers who are using it are finding it an improvement upon other available tools.

Assessment: The script at User:Evad37/rater makes the addition of Wikiproject templates extremely easy. New page creators rarely do this. Reviewers are not obliged to make these edits but they only take a few seconds. They can use the Curation message system to let the creator know what they have done.

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New Page Review newsletter November 2019
Hello ,

This newsletter comes a little earlier than usual because the backlog is rising again and the holidays are coming very soon. There are now holders of the New Page Reviewer flag! Most of you requested the user right to be able to do something about the huge backlog but it's still roughly less than 10% doing 90% of the work. Now it's time for action. Exactly one year ago there were 'only' 3,650 unreviewed articles, now we will soon be approaching 7,000 despite the growing number of requests for the NPR user right. If each reviewer soon does only 2 reviews a day over five days, the backlog will be down to zero and the daily input can then be processed by every reviewer doing only 1 review every 2 days - that's only a few minutes work on the bus on the way to the office or to class! Let's get this over and done with in time to relax for the holidays. Want to join? Consider adding the NPP Pledge userbox. Our next newsletter will announce the winners of some really cool awards. Admin has been officially invested as NPP/NPR coordinator by a unanimous consensus of the community. This is a complex role and he will need all the help he can get from other experienced reviewers. Paid editing is still causing headaches for even our most experienced reviewers: This official Wikipedia article will be an eye-opener to anyone who joined Wikipedia or obtained the NPR right since 2015. See The Hallmarks to know exactly what to look for and take time to examine all the sources. Would you like feedback on your reviews? Are you an experienced reviewer who can give feedback to other reviewers? If so there are two new feedback pilot programs. New Reviewer mentorship will match newer reviewers with an experienced reviewer with a new reviewer. The other program will be an occasional peer review cohort for moderate or experienced reviewers to give feedback to each other. The first cohort will launch November 13. The annual ArbCom election will be coming up soon. All eligible users will be invited to vote. While not directly concerned with NPR, Arbcom cases often lead back to notability and deletion issues and/or actions by holders of advanced user rights. There is to be no wish list for WMF encyclopedias this year. We thank Community Tech for their hard work addressing our long list of requirements which somewhat overwhelmed them last year, and we look forward to a successful completion. To opt-out of future mailings, you can remove yourself here MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 08:33, 3 November 2019 (UTC)
 * Getting the queue to 0
 * Coordinator
 * This month's refresher course
 * Tools
 * It is now possible to select new pages by date range. This was requested by reviewers who want to patrol from the middle of the list.
 * It is now also possible for accredited reviewers to put any article back into the New Pages Feed for re-review. The link is under 'Tools' in the side bar.
 * Reviewer Feedback
 * Second set of eyes
 * Not only are New Page Reviewers the guardians of quality of new articles, they are also in a position to ensure that pages are being correctly tagged for deletion and maintenance and that new authors are not being bitten. This is an important feature of your work, especially while some routine tagging for deletion can still be carried out by non NPR holders and inexperienced users. Read about it at the Monitoring the system section in the tutorial. If you come across such editors doing good work, don't hesitate to encourage them to apply for NPR.
 * Do be sure to have our talk page  on your watchlist. There are often items that require reviewers' special attention, such as to watch out for pages by known socks or disruptive editors, technical issues and new developments, and of course to provide advice for other reviewers.
 * Arbitration Committee
 * Community Wish list

Need your expertise
Greetings! Thanks for your extensive work over the years. Could you please review my small copy edit here as I am unsure it makes proper sense? Thanks. --LilHelpa (talk) 16:40, 3 November 2019 (UTC)
 * Done, thx for checking.  R fassbind  – talk  23:25, 3 November 2019 (UTC)

486958 Arrokoth
Thanks for reacting to the move request. I have no objection against doing this earlier than the suggested 7 days. Would you mind to also close the Talk:(486958)_2014_MU69 discussion? Renerpho (talk) 00:51, 13 November 2019 (UTC)
 * Thx for posting a note. Oops, I actually noticed the discussion when I already moved the article. Why is there a discussion about a non-issue? There are another 68 named minor planets, many of which need to be moved, and the MPC doesn't update its website anymore, so this may take some time until I'm ready. Of course, I would very, very, very appreciate if you could close the discussion.  R fassbind  – talk  01:03, 13 November 2019 (UTC)
 * There was a (very controversial) move request for this object a few months ago. It seemed in order to make sure there is no problem this time. We may have reached consensus to do a speedy move anyway... Renerpho (talk) 01:08, 13 November 2019 (UTC)
 * I have closed the discussion per your request. Renerpho (talk) 01:14, 13 November 2019 (UTC)
 * Thank you. Very much appreciated. It's already a challenge to deal with all the bugs the Minor Planet Center produces...  R fassbind  – talk  02:59, 13 November 2019 (UTC)

Planet Biyo
Hello! You wrote the 13241 Biyo article, but it seems that from the start this included the following inscrutable claim: "The asteroid has not been surveyed by none of the space-based telescopes,..." Logically this might be "...has been surveyed by...", but I'm hoping you can immediately see how the odd version got in and correct it. Thanks! Imaginatorium (talk) 12:19, 22 November 2019 (UTC)
 * The article has been . Thx for your feedback,  R fassbind  – talk  16:12, 23 November 2019 (UTC)

Google Code-In 2019 is coming - please mentor some documentation tasks!
Hello,

Google Code-In, Google-organized contest in which the Wikimedia Foundation participates, starts in a few weeks. This contest is about taking high school students into the world of opensource. I'm sending you this message because you recently edited a documentation page at the English Wikipedia.

I would like to ask you to take part in Google Code-In as a mentor. That would mean to prepare at least one task (it can be documentation related, or something else - the other categories are Code, Design, Quality Assurance and Outreach) for the participants, and help the student to complete it. Please sign up at the contest page and send us your Google account address to google-code-in-admins@lists.wikimedia.org, so we can invite you in!

From my own experience, Google Code-In can be fun, you can make several new friends, attract new people to your wiki and make them part of your community.

If you have any questions, please let us know at google-code-in-admins@lists.wikimedia.org.

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Disambigs
Thanks for helping me out with the disambiguation pages. GovernorLegislator ™
 * , you're welcome,  R fassbind  – talk  04:33, 12 December 2019 (UTC)

New Page Review newsletter December 2019


This year's Reviewer of the Year is. Having gotten the reviewer PERM in August 2018, they have been a regular reviewer of articles and redirects, been an active participant in the NPP community, and has been the driving force for the emerging NPP Source Guide that will help reviewers better evaluate sourcing and notability in many countries for which it has historically been difficult.
 * Reviewer of the Year

Special commendation again goes to who ends the year as one of our most prolific reviewers for the second consecutive year. Thanks also to and  who have been in the top 5 for the last two years as well.

Several newer editors have done a lot of work with CAPTAIN MEDUSA and DannyS712 (who has also written bots which have patrolled thousands of redirects) being new reviewers since this time last year.

Thanks to them and to everyone reading this who has participated in New Page Patrol this year.

(The top 100 reviewers of the year can be found here)

A recent Request for Comment on creating a new redirect autopatrol pseduo-permission was closed early. New Page Reviewers are now able to nominate editors who have an established track record creating uncontroversial redirects. At the individual discretion of any administrator or after 24 hours and a consensus of at least 3 New Page Reviewers an editor may be added to a list of users whose redirects will be patrolled automatically by.
 * Redirect autopatrol

Set to launch early in the new year is our first New Page Patrol Source Guide discussion. These discussions are designed to solicit input on sources in places and topic areas that might otherwise be harder for reviewers to evaluate. The hope is that this will allow us to improve the accuracy of our patrols for articles using these sources (and/or give us places to perform a WP:BEFORE prior to nominating for deletion). Please watch the New Page Patrol talk page for more information.
 * Source Guide Discussion

While New Page Reviewers are an experienced set of editors, we all benefit from an occasional review. This month consider refreshing yourself on Notability (geographic features). Also consider how we can take the time for quality in this area. For instance, sources to verify human settlements, which are presumed notable, can often be found in seconds. This lets us avoid the (ugly) 'Needs more refs' tag. Delivered by MediaWiki message delivery (talk) at 16:11, 20 December 2019 (UTC)
 * This month's refresher course

Creation of unnumbered minor planets: mandatory category
Dear, , , , , this is just a reminder to always add Category:Minor planet object articles (unnumbered) to any unnumbered minor planet article you might create in the future. Thanks for noticing,  R fassbind  – talk  05:36, 20 January 2020 (UTC)
 * Roger that. immediately forgets  ― Дрейгорич / Dreigorich  Talk  05:37, 20 January 2020 (UTC)
 * Thank you for the note - Enjoy! :) Drbogdan (talk) 13:17, 20 January 2020 (UTC)

Categorizing redirects
I noticed that you categorized some of my redirects. In general, should I do that myself? Is there a guide or something for doing that that I'm not aware of? Clover moss (talk) 21:13, 31 January 2020 (UTC)
 * Yes, adding maintenance categories to regular redirects is good practice, see WP:RCAT and WP:TMR –  R fassbind  – talk  01:54, 1 February 2020 (UTC)

Kur-Araz Lowland -> Kura-Aras Lowland
I'm curious as to why you switched it back to the less-common spelling.
 * Kur River: 18,100 results
 * Kura River: 161,000 results
 * Araz River: 30,600 results
 * Aras River: 69,500 results

Even Britannica uses Kura and Aras. — [ kentron hayastan ]  03:03, 6 February 2020 (UTC)
 * What are you talking about? I never edited them –   R fassbind  – talk  10:57, 6 February 2020 (UTC)
 * Oh my god I'm so sorry – I was so into some things, I mixed things up. — [ kentron hayastan ]  00:58, 7 February 2020 (UTC)

New Page Reviewer newsletter February 2020
Hello ,

The first NPP source guide discussion is now underway. It covers a wide range of sources in Ghana with the goal of providing more guidance to reviewers about sources they might see when reviewing pages. Hopefully, new page reviewers will join others interested in reliable sources and those with expertise in these sources to make the discussion a success.
 * Source Guide Discussion

New to NPP? Looking to try something a little different? Consider patrolling some redirects. Redirects are relatively easy to review, can be found easily through the New Pages Feed. You can find more information about how to patrol redirects at WP:RPATROL.
 * Redirects


 * Discussions and Resources
 * There is an ongoing discussion around changing notifications for new editors who attempt to write articles.
 * A recent discussion of whether Michelin starred restraunts are notable was archived without closure.
 * A resource page with links pertinent for reviewers was created this month.
 * A proposal to increase the scope of G5 was withdrawn.

Geographic regions, areas and places generally do not need general notability guideline type sourcing. When evaluating whether an article meets this notability guideline please also consider whether it might actually be a form of WP:SPAM for a development project (e.g. PR for a large luxury residential development) and not actually covered by the guideline.
 * Refresher

Six Month Queue Data: Today – 7095 Low – 4991 High – 7095

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Reversions to Meanings of minor planet names: 8001–9000
Hi. At Meanings of minor planet names: 8001–9000, Special:Diff/942661074, you reverted some changes that I made, for which I'd like to understand the reason: —[ Alan M 1 (talk) ]— 04:14, 26 February 2020 (UTC)
 * 1) rmv unhelpful, verbose html-comments, inconsistent with the overall series of partial lists; regarding the HTML comments I added to the transclusion of the MinorPlanetNameMeaningsTableHeader header and closing '|}'. I did this because source "linters", like that in AWB get tripped up over this, seeing a table closing without an opening. After spending a few minutes tracking one down, I thought I'd save the next guy the trouble. I'm not clear on why these should be removed, and disagree that they're "verbose", being 34 and 101 characters respectively.
 * 2) I turned three raw spaced endashes  into nbsp-leading spaced endashes  (per MOS:DASH), which were reverted. Why?
 * 3) Is there a reason this (and I guess other similar articles) chose to use external links for sourcing instead of the normal references list approach? It makes it harder to look through all the refs for mistakes, but also seems to encourage people to just give a raw URL instead of a complete citation, which can be very fragile, right? (I didn't notice this and simply expanded an existing ref-style reference).
 * 4) A lot of the prose in the third column is missing the final period, even though they are complete sentences. Is there a reason not to fix these?
 * Dear your intentions are very much appreciated, and I  besides others. My apologies for using the word "verbose" in my late-night edit comment. Context: there are hundreds of partial lists in the Meaning of minor planet names. Basic changes need to be consistent. All partial lists have a transcluded  . Known issues include list size (number of characters) and template errors (too many templates on page), and erroneous AWB fixes (e.g.  → ).
 * html-comments: Adding an ad-hoc html-comment to the wiki tables is a poor solution to avoid a simple AWB alert and needlessly increases the character count of the list. Solutions should be found for all partial lists, not just one. Best to ask @: Do we need a corresponding "closing" template to, analogous to Refbegin/Refend or DivCol?.
 * : partial list can contain 2,000 templates in their "Provisional" and "Ref-Catalog" columns alone. The principal column also contains templates such as, or even . These lists must not crash due template parse errors. Otherwise, a new can of worms will be opened. Of course, if the template in question becomes mandatory to use (I don't see it often), we need to adjust.
 * EL's instead of proper cites: this a more of a transitional effect. Most legacy refs cite are not useful as they are permanently dead or unhelpful. Often, they give the exact same information as linked in the Ref-column (also an external link), which is a legacy from before the Ref-column was introduced with the merger of subpages on 20 October 2016‎. An external link labelled with "Src" is a verified URL. Later on, when all these extra-sources are check, I plan to convert them systematically into proper citations. Otherwise it would be like having the roof completed before the walls.
 * Hope my reply was any good and not too "verbose" (...). I just finished an AWB-run through all the lists, to see whether there are any additional issues. As for now, all pages display a "No Changes" in AWB. If you like to participate in the revision of the 22,000+ entries of the series, I would very much appreciate your help, ideas and feed-back.  R fassbind  – talk  15:03, 26 February 2020 (UTC)
 * Thanks for that. I had started to put together a suggestion that either the table opener be removed from the template or, as you said, a table-closing template be created (though this contributes to the template count, and I seem to recall a general dislike for simple templates like that in the past). Not sure why AWB did not ignore the article – maybe that only applies to "automated" runs, which I don't do (I just use it as a starting point for the common stuff, verifying any suggested fixes and doing most of the other work with it manually). As far as the spaced endashes, if the template count is a problem, how about I just use its resulting code, , instead, the point being to force line breaks (if necessary) after the dash? BTW, I only hit this article because it was in my current AWB worklist by accident (I thought I removed all the planet lists). I've now removed them for sure, so it shouldn't come up again. —[  Alan M 1 (talk) ]— 00:26, 27 February 2020 (UTC)
 * Thx. Yes, an en-dash with a leading non-breaking space is AOK (amended your example). I don't think the "table opener",  can be excluded from the template, as it is both, preceded and followed by other code. Maybe Tom has an idea. I hope, one day, you will return to edit planet lists.   R fassbind  – talk  01:56, 27 February 2020 (UTC)

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Lead clutter
Hi. Placing obsolete provisional names as the very first info in the lead violates the very purpose of the lead, which is to orientate the reader with the most important information: name, subject, etc. If a designation hasn't been used in a few decades, it could be included in a name section, or maybe at the end of the lead -- and it certainly belongs in the info box for cross-referencing -- but otherwise it's just clutter.

BTW, thanks for adding all the shape models. That's really nice to have. — kwami (talk) 13:12, 17 March 2020 (UTC)

4959 Niinoama
You added a reference to McCullough 1988 in that article without giving the full ref. Would you mind adding it?

Also note you can instal Svick's script (see instructions) to get notified of these errors in the future. It's very useful! &#32; Headbomb {t · c · p · b} 16:04, 15 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Thx for letting me know. I'll check it ASAP.  R fassbind  – talk  09:09, 22 May 2020 (UTC)
 * , indeed, I added said reference on August 2017 to the article. I must have copied that Harvard Reference (which I am not familiar with) from another Wikipedia article at the time. As I see know, you already edited 4959 Niinoama since your post above, so I assume you converted said reference yourself and didn't bother to tell me. Please let me know if my assumption in incorrect – otherwise, I consider this issue resolved.   R fassbind  – talk  10:16, 22 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Correct, I found it and added it to the article. &#32; Headbomb {t · c · p · b} 13:40, 22 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Well done. Thank you,  R fassbind  – talk  10:03, 25 May 2020 (UTC)

"249061 Antonyberger" errata (5 Feb 2020, MPC)
Hello Rfassbind,

Since you're one of the expert editors of minor planet redirects and articles, I thought you might want to know that the 2020-02-05 (Feb 5) Minor Planet Circular fixed an error from one of the previous editions. Apparently, the minor planet erroneously called "" is actually named "", without the H. How do we go about updating this on Wikipedia (which currently has the erroneous version with the H) – what needs to be done on the LOMP & MOMP, alphabetical & numerical names page, and redirects? Thanks. Paintspot Infez (talk) 18:29, 21 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Well spotted. I will do the changes so you can check all amendments in my edit history (Wikidata changes are not shown though). Unfortunately, the Minor Planet Center misspells about one in twenty new namings. For some namings they even need to correct the correction. For example: was incorrectly corrected as  (M.P.C. 25 Sep 2018) after it was originally published as  (M.P.C. 11 Jul 2018). Thank you.   R fassbind  – talk  09:08, 22 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Everything concerning the renaming to is now AOK. I'm confident you could have made the changes yourself, based on your description of the issue above, which was nearly perfect. If you are interested in the topic of dealing with minor-planet redirects, you may be interested reading the description of . Thx for your cooperation, your contribution has been noted.   R fassbind  – talk  21:41, 25 May 2020 (UTC)

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Völk
IS the redirect needed? I want to use the name to describe German surname, now included in Volk.Xx236 (talk) 11:06, 30 June 2020 (UTC)
 * is now a disambig page, hope that helps  R fassbind  – talk  15:05, 30 June 2020 (UTC)

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It has been a productive year for New Page Patrol as we've roughly cut the size of the New Page Patrol queue in half this year. We have been fortunate to have a lot of great work done by who was the reviewer of the most pages and redirects this past year. Thanks and credit go to and  who join Rosguill in repeating in the top 10 from last year. Thanks to, , and who all got the NPR permission this year and joined the top 10. Also new to the top ten is DannyS712 bot III, programmed by which has helped to dramatically reduce the number of redirects that have needed human patrolling by patrolling certain types of redirects (e.g. for differences in accents) and by also patrolling editors who are on on the redirect whitelist.
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Ejected/ extended centaurs
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"Vitol'd Karlovic Tseraskiy" listed at Redirects for discussion
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33441 Catherineprato in wikidata
Hello Rfassbind, I deleted in wikidata the link to 33441 Catherineprato because it was added in 31441. I tried adding to to correct asteroid but I keep getting a conflict because it is a redirect. Can you have a look? Bye. --Ysogo (talk) 06:00, 30 December 2020 (UTC)
 * For redirect page  linkage with corresponding Wikidata page Q6732860 (33441 Catherineprato) has been restored. Thanks for posting a note.  R fassbind  – talk  20:28, 30 December 2020 (UTC)

WGSBN Bulletin and new minor planet names
Hi, are you planning to update the lists and articles with the 179 new minor planet names announced by the WGSBN? They were published in the WGSBN's new bulletin website not too long ago. The Minor Planet Center won't be publishing new names in their circulars now, so you'll have to turn this website from now on. N rco0e   (talk · contribs)   01:08, 17 May 2021 (UTC)
 * Thank you for your consideration. This is very odd, since publishing by the MPC is a crucial step in avoiding naming confusions. Let me get back to you soon. Thx again,  R fassbind  – talk  01:41, 17 May 2021 (UTC)
 * Follow-up: the Minor Planet Center didn't even address the change in the naming procedure in the Editorial Note of their last circulars, published around the end of April. Yes, I'll update Wikipedia with all new names. Thank you very much,  R fassbind  – talk  01:48, 17 May 2021 (UTC)

Copyright problem on Meanings of minor planet names: 39001–40000
Content you added to the above article appears to have been copied from https://link.springer.com/referenceworkentry/10.1007%2F978-3-540-34361-5_9, which is not released under a compatible license. Copying text directly from a source is a violation of Wikipedia's copyright policy. Unfortunately, for copyright reasons, the content had to be removed. Content you add to Wikipedia should be written in your own words. Please let me know if you have any questions. — Diannaa 🇨🇦 (talk) 10:29, 22 May 2021 (UTC)
 * Hi Diannaa . The citations for  and  were added by me from the corresponding JPL SBDB pages ( and ) based on USGovernment, and not from the Dictionary of Minor Planet Names published by the Springer Verlag. The  linked CopyPatrol page shows copyrighted citations for asteroids,  and , that are not even listed on Meanings of minor planet names: 39001–40000 where you made the changes. I'm confused. 16:03, 22 May 2021 (UTC)
 * While works of NASA are government works and public domain, works by subcontractors such as JPL are typically not. Please see Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of minor planets: 500001–501000 and Copyright problems/2019 July 1 where the copyright status of the JPL content has been discussed in the past. The JPL copyright page does not make anything clearer, as the statement "All documents available from this server may be protected under the U.S. and Foreign Copyright Laws" does not specify whether or not these particular pages are copyright. The fact that the same material is reproduced at the copyright Dictionary of Minor Planet Names muddies the waters even further. My opinion is that without a definitive answer to the copyright question, no further text should be copied from the JPL website.— Diannaa 🇨🇦 (talk) 19:25, 22 May 2021 (UTC)
 * Also see Copyright problems/2019 July 1 - text from the IAU's website is under a CC_BY-4.0 licence, which is incompatible with licencing on Wikipedia (which is CC-BY-3.0) while you can copy from -3.0 to 4.0, you cannot copy the other way.Nigel Ish (talk) 17:45, 4 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Thx for letting me know. I see you already started revising the list of citations. I'm still waiting for the WGSBN to update their website and to clarify what license applies to their published, machine-readable publications.  R fassbind  – talk  00:08, 5 September 2021 (UTC)

Redirects
Thanks for the advice. Will do! Red Director (talk) 01:32, 8 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Your welcome. Keep up the hard work!  R fassbind  – talk  22:41, 13 September 2021 (UTC)

lists of asteroid names
Hi. For lists like List of named minor planets: 1–999, it says "This is a partial list", but it also says "It contains a total of 999 entries", which would make it a complete list. So I wonder if the word "partial" isn't unnecessarily confusing, and where under List of named minor planets: A it says "This is a partial list containing all named minor planets starting with the letter A", I assume that means it is also a complete list. I'd remove the word "partial" from the leads, but it may be that some of these lists actually are partial. Are all them complete, at least as of their last update?

Thanks — kwami (talk) 15:23, 13 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Sure. Contrary to, a partial list refers to a list of a larger series (of which it is part of). Best to ask who used the term early on. Yes, the partial lists contain all 22,727 names and are up to date (the term "complete" is ambiguous).   R fassbind  – talk  23:39, 13 September 2021 (UTC)
 * I think you are mistaking the word "partial" for "incomplete". List of named minor planets: 1–999 may/not be in/complete, but it is definitely a partial list of all named minor planets.  ~ Tom.Reding (talk ⋅dgaf)  23:41, 13 September 2021 (UTC)
 * However, I agree that the headings on List of named minor planets: A, etc., are slightly ambiguous. I think they can be improved either by removing the word "partial":
 * "This is a list containing all named minor planets starting with the letter"...
 * or reworded as:
 * "This is a partial list of named minor planets, containing all those starting with the letter"...
 * I slightly favor #2, since it closely matches the headings of List of named minor planets: 1–999.
 * Regardless, these headers should be in yet-another-MP-header-template x2 to swiftly maintain them. I wouldn't mind working on that.  ~ Tom.Reding (talk ⋅dgaf)  00:26, 14 September 2021 (UTC)
 * OK, I agree. I would add "name" to This is a partial list of **named** minor planets, containing all those starting with the letter, though. Also, the template would also need a or similarly named parameter. Thinking ahead, as a single letter might be split into two pages one day when the total number becomes too large, a template should already anticipate that, I think.   R fassbind  – talk  00:46, 14 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Added back "named".
 * Re totalitems: I was thinking that the template could read the last letter (or hypothetically "S-1" & "S-2" whenever there is an inevitable split) and use a #switch statement to find the correct value. This would simplify updating as well, only needing to update 1 template instead of 26 pages (though you're already editing the page to update it...so...totalitems is better?).  ~ Tom.Reding (talk ⋅dgaf)  02:15, 14 September 2021 (UTC)

Yes, that was exactly my concern: It is not a partial {list of MPs beginning with 'A'}. In addition, 'partial' is also ambiguous, as it can mean 'incomplete'. That distinction may be made on these lists, but I doubt it is by many of our readers, and I couldn't count on it being made consistently on WP. So, if I wanted to propose a name for a SSSB, and tried looking it up here rather than the MPC to see if the name had already been taken, I'd be left confused as to whether I could rely on WP to give me that information. (Not that should use WP rather than the MPC.) — kwami (talk) 01:45, 14 September 2021 (UTC)
 * I leave it up to you guys, with Tom creating the template(s) and Kwamikagami giving his feedback. From my point of view, it would make sense to include the page-navigation into the new header template(s) for these partial lists. The usage of a might also be helpful. I will focus on the revision of my own update procedure once the new template is finalized. Best,   R fassbind  – talk  13:58, 14 September 2021 (UTC)
 * I created List of named minor planets by number header & List of named minor planets by letter header. List of named minor planets by letter header is conditionally set up to anticipate eventual list-splits, though the specifics will have to be worked out at that point. Both templates require total for the total #, and optionally support as of in the body. I'll populate all list pages with these templates tomorrow if no issues.  ~ Tom.Reding (talk ⋅dgaf)  01:51, 15 September 2021 (UTC)
 * I am looking forward. Thx,  R fassbind  – talk  01:59, 15 September 2021 (UTC)

The alphabetical but not numerical header is accurate when taken literally, but even then, because the title of the article will already tell the reader that it's a partial list, I wonder if it wouldn't be more straightforward (and more immediately comprehensible) to drop the word 'partial' and word it something like:
 * This is a list of all named minor planets starting with the letter X

"Partial" is redundant, and makes me wonder why the word is used. I expect that when a word is used, it's intended to convey information, and thus to me it sounds like the article is page 1 of asteroids starting with X. Yes, the wording makes sense when I parse it carefully, but I have to read it twice, and then I wonder if maybe it's badly worded and isn't intended mean what it literally says, and IMO we don't want to ask our readers to do that.

Similarly, maybe,
 * This is a list of all named minor planets in the numerical range 123–456.

If we say this is a partial list of named minor planets in numerical order, there is no sense as to how it's partial. My first impression would be that this is probably a list of those minor planets that we've taken the time to add to the list, in numerical order. (Maybe we've only had time to add small fraction to the list.) Nowhere does it say that the list is complete.

— kwami (talk) 02:29, 15 September 2021 (UTC)

New Page Patrol newsletter September 2021
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Infobox colors for minor planet satellites
Hi,

Do you have any suggestion for which colors should be used for minor planet satellites like Dimorphos and ? There doesn't seem to be any convention for this—the inconsistent color-coding between green and default purple for some of these articles has been bugging me for quite a while now. N rco0e <span style="background: -webkit-linear-gradient(-120deg, #528a2d, #2c5721); -webkit-background-clip: text; -webkit-text-fill-color: transparent;">  (talk · contribs)   03:22, 20 November 2021 (UTC)
 * As always, good question! I don't know yet. Here are three thoughts:
 * First, there are not so many stand-alone articles about minor-planet moons: and  (obviously incomplete, missing, for example Charon (moon)).
 * Second, I think infobox-color and article categorization should go hand-in-hand. Both must be considered and harmonized, not just colors.
 * Third, any change will likely also affect articles about binaries which contain a 2nd infobox for the moon.
 * Tell me what you think. Best,  R fassbind  – talk  17:27, 20 November 2021 (UTC)


 * I don't see any reason why minor-planet moons should use green when almost all of the planetary satellites use the default purple for their infobox. There's already several articles on notable binary minor planets (i.e. 243 Ida and 617 Patroclus) that use the default color for their satellite infoboxes, so I would preferably follow these examples.
 * Regarding categorization: I've finished categorizing the standalone minor-planet moon articles now, though there's plenty of redirect pages left for other minor-planet moons. I suppose these should be lumped into a separate category, but I'm not sure what to do with disambiguations like Squannit (moon) and Squannit (satellite). <span style="font-size: 20px; font-weight:bold; font-family:georgia; webkit-text-stroke-width: 1px; -webkit-text-stroke-color: #93ab71; background: -webkit-linear-gradient(#c7dbab, #97a683, #4f5e49); -webkit-background-clip: text; -webkit-text-fill-color: transparent">N <span style="font-size: 18px; font-weight:bold; font-family:serif; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 1px; -webkit-text-stroke-color: #6da349; background: -webkit-linear-gradient(-120deg, #9bb872, #355e2a); -webkit-background-clip: text; -webkit-text-fill-color: transparent;">rco0e  <span style="background: -webkit-linear-gradient(-120deg, #528a2d, #2c5721); -webkit-background-clip: text; -webkit-text-fill-color: transparent;">  (talk · contribs)   01:01, 21 November 2021 (UTC)


 * Did you try to remove the "green" color? Did you encounter resistance? I noticed you once changed the color from.
 * I'm fine with harmonizing the infobox color (to grey-purple: #E0CCFF) for minor-planet moons. We shouldn't use the "default", though (see this and this). It is better to use #E0CCFF along yes explicitly (to avoid troubles with future template changes).
 * As for the categories and redirects such as, there needs to be adjustments to
 * Could you double-check whether the addition of yes in article Xiangliu (moon) has changed the naming/linkage of listed parameters?
 * Hope this makes sense. Best,  R fassbind  – talk  03:49, 24 November 2021 (UTC)

"Category:Unnumbered minor planets" listed at Redirects for discussion
A discussion is taking place to address the redirect Category:Unnumbered minor planets. The discussion will occur at Redirects for discussion/Log/2021 December 3 until a consensus is reached, and anyone, including you, is welcome to contribute to the discussion. User:1234qwer1234qwer4 (talk) 17:04, 3 December 2021 (UTC)

Solar system
I have nominated Solar System for a featured article review here. Please join the discussion on whether this article meets featured article criteria. Articles are typically reviewed for two weeks. If substantial concerns are not addressed during the review period, the article will be moved to the Featured Article Removal Candidates list for a further period, where editors may declare "Keep" or "Delist" the article's featured status. The instructions for the review process are here.<b style="display:inline; color:#008000;">Cinadon</b><b style="display:inline; color:#c0c0c0;">36</b> 15:40, 8 March 2022 (UTC)

redirection
Hello

I have created as a redirection, but I don't understand why it doesn't work properly. Regards.

--Io Herodotus (talk) 07:59, 15 April 2022 (UTC)
 * Hi Io Herodotus. I guess you should use  (and save the page) so you can create an "intentional site link to redirect" by clicking on "Add this page" and then click on button "Save site link" on the "Set Item sitelink" page. I will amend above redirect to show you what I mean. OK? Also note the additional information (categories, WD properties) I am adding as well.   R fassbind  – talk  08:18, 15 April 2022 (UTC)
 * This is tricky! Thank you.
 * It still redirects to 614689 (or 614683) and not 614688 ! --Io Herodotus (talk) 13:58, 15 April 2022 (UTC)
 * If you are referring to the List of minor planets: 614001–615000, then this is because of the entry being (currently) located at the end of the page and it's simply not possible to scroll further down.  R fassbind  – talk  04:43, 16 April 2022 (UTC)

New Page Patrol newsletter May 2022
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New Page Patrol newsletter June 2022
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In the last 30 days, the top 100 reviewers have all made more than 16 patrols (up from 8 last month), and about 70 have averaged one review a day (up from 50 last month).

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There has been significant discussion at WP:VPP recently on NPP-related matters (Draftification, Deletion, Notability, Verifiability, Burden). Proposals that would somewhat ease the burden on NPP aren't gaining much traction, although there are suggestions that the role of NPP be fundamentally changed to focus only on major CSD-type issues.


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NPP July 2022 backlog drive is on!
(t &#183; c)  buidhe  20:26, 1 July 2022 (UTC)

Just checking in
Hi Rfassbind,

Hope you're feeling well. I really miss your regular updates to the minor planet lists here! As much as I appreciate you for your tireless effort into maintaining minor planet-related articles, I do think that you truly deserve a long, refreshing break. Anyways, I'll be looking forward to seeing you again here sometime! <span style="font-size: 20px; font-weight:bold; font-family:georgia; webkit-text-stroke-width: 1px; -webkit-text-stroke-color: #93ab71; background: -webkit-linear-gradient(#c7dbab, #97a683, #4f5e49); -webkit-background-clip: text; -webkit-text-fill-color: transparent">N <span style="font-size: 18px; font-weight:bold; font-family:serif; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 1px; -webkit-text-stroke-color: #6da349; background: -webkit-linear-gradient(-120deg, #9bb872, #355e2a); -webkit-background-clip: text; -webkit-text-fill-color: transparent;">rco0e <span style="background: -webkit-linear-gradient(-120deg, #528a2d, #2c5721); -webkit-background-clip: text; -webkit-text-fill-color: transparent;">  (talk · contribs)   19:38, 6 July 2022 (UTC)
 * That's very kind of you! I'm fine, thank you. Indeed, I think I never missed a minor-planet update since I started in March 2016... until now. I'll be looking forward to working with you again soon. Kind regards,  R fassbind  – talk  12:16, 11 July 2022 (UTC)

New Page Patrol newsletter August 2022
Hello ,

After the last newsletter (No.28, June 2022), the backlog declined another 1,000 to 13,000 in the last week of June. Then the July backlog drive began, during which 9,900 articles were reviewed and the backlog fell by 4,500 to just under 8,500 (these numbers illustrate how many new articles regularly flow into the queue). Thanks go to the coordinators and, as well as all the nearly 100 participants. Congratulations to who led with 880 points. See this page for further details.
 * Backlog status

Unfortunately, most of the decline happened in the first half of the month, and the backlog has already risen to 9,600. Understandably, it seems many backlog drive participants are taking a break from reviewing and unfortunately, we are not even keeping up with the inflow let alone driving it lower. We need the other 600 reviewers to do more! Please try to do at least one a day.


 * Coordination: and  have taken on some of the coordination tasks. Please let them know if you are interested in helping out.  will be handling recognition, and will be retroactively awarding the annual barnstars that have not been issued for a few years.


 * Open letter to the WMF: The Page Curation software needs urgent attention. There are dozens of bug fixes and enhancements that are stalled (listed at Suggested improvements). We have written a letter to be sent to the WMF and we encourage as many patrollers as possible to sign it here. We are also in negotiation with the Board of Trustees to press for assistance. Better software will make the active reviewers we have more productive.


 * TIP - Reviewing by subject: Reviewers who prefer to patrol new pages by their most familiar subjects can do so from the regularly updated sorted topic list.


 * New reviewers: The NPP School is being underused. The learning curve for NPP is quite steep, but a detailed and easy-to-read tutorial exists, and the Curation Tool's many features are fully described and illustrated on the updated page here.


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NPP message
Hi ,

For those who may have missed it in our last newsletter, here's a quick reminder to see the letter we have drafted, and if you support it, do please go ahead and sign it. If you already signed, thanks. Also, if you haven't noticed, the backlog has been trending up lately; all reviews are greatly appreciated.
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October 2022 New Pages Patrol backlog drive
(t &#183; c)  buidhe  21:17, 23 September 2022 (UTC)

New Page Patrol newsletter October 2022
Hello , Much has happened since the last newsletter over two months ago. The open letter finished with 444 signatures. The letter was sent to several dozen people at the WMF, and we have heard that it is being discussed but there has been no official reply. A related article appears in the current issue of The Signpost. If you haven't seen it, you should, including the readers' comment section.

Awards: Barnstars were given for the past several years (thanks to ), and we are now all caught up. The 2021 cup went to for leading with 26,525 article reviews during 2021. To encourage moderate activity, a new "Iron" level barnstar is awarded annually for reviewing 360 articles ("one-a-day"), and 100 reviews earns the "Standard" NPP barnstar. About 90 reviewers received barnstars for each of the years 2018 to 2021 (including the new awards that were given retroactively). All awards issued for every year are listed on the Awards page. Check out the new Hall of Fame also. Software news: and  have connected with WMF developers who can review and approve patches, so they have been able to fix some bugs, and make other improvements to the Page Curation software. You can see everything that has been fixed recently here. The reviewer report has also been improved. Suggestions:
 * There is much enthusiasm over the low backlog, but remember that the "quality and depth of patrolling are more important than speed".
 * Reminder: an article should not be tagged for any kind of deletion for a minimum of 15 minutes after creation and it is often appropriate to wait an hour or more. (from the NPP tutorial)
 * Reviewers should focus their effort where it can do the most good, reviewing articles. Other clean-up tasks that don't require advanced permissions can be left to other editors that routinely improve articles in these ways (creating Talk Pages, specifying projects and ratings, adding categories, etc.) Let's rely on others when it makes the most sense. On the other hand, if you enjoy doing these tasks while reviewing and it keeps you engaged with NPP (or are guiding a newcomer), then by all means continue.
 * This user script puts a link to the feed in your top toolbar.

Backlog: Saving the best for last: From a July low of 8,500, the backlog climbed back to 11,000 in August and then reversed in September dropping to below 6,000 and continued falling with the October backlog drive to under 1,000, a level not seen in over four years. Keep in mind that there are 2,000 new articles every week, so the number of reviews is far higher than the backlog reduction. To keep the backlog under a thousand, we have to keep reviewing at about half the recent rate!


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New Pages Patrol newsletter January 2023
Hello , The October drive reduced the backlog from 9,700 to an amazing 0! Congratulations to who led with 2084 points. See this page for further details. The queue is steadily rising again and is approaching 2,000. It would be great if <2,000 were the “new normal”. Please continue to help out even if it's only for a few or even one patrol a day. won the 2022 cup for 28,302 article reviews last year - that's an average of nearly 80/day. There was one Gold Award (5000+ reviews), 11 Silver (2000+), 28 Iron (360+) and 39 more for the 100+ barnstar. led again for the 4th year by clearing 49,294 redirects. For the full details see the Awards page and the Hall of Fame. Congratulations everyone!
 * Backlog
 * 2022 Awards

Minimum deletion time: The previous WP:NPP guideline was to wait 15 minutes before tagging for deletion (including draftification and WP:BLAR). Due to complaints, a consensus decided to raise the time to 1 hour. To illustrate this, very new pages in the feed are now highlighted in red. (As always, this is not applicable to attack pages, copyvios, vandalism, etc.)

New draftify script: In response to feedback from AFC, the The Move to Draft script now provides a choice of set messages that also link the creator to a new, friendly explanation page. The script also warns reviewers if the creator is probably still developing the article. The former script is no longer maintained. Please edit your edit your common.js or vector.js file from  to

Redirects: Some of our redirect reviewers have reduced their activity and the backlog is up to 9,000+ (two months deep). If you are interested in this distinctly different task and need any help, see this guide, this checklist, and spend some time at WP:RFD.

Discussions with the WMF The PageTriage open letter signed by 444 users is bearing fruit. The Growth Team has assigned some software engineers to work on PageTriage, the software that powers the NewPagesFeed and the Page Curation toolbar. WMF has submitted dozens of patches in the last few weeks to modernize PageTriage's code, which will make it easier to write patches in the future. This work is helpful but is not very visible to the end user. For patches visible to the end user, volunteers such as and  have been writing patches for bug reports and feature requests. The Growth Team also had a video conference with the NPP coordinators to discuss revamping the landing pages that new users see.


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New Page Patrol – May 2023 Backlog Drive
MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 17:12, 20 April 2023 (UTC)

New Pages Patrol newsletter June 2023
Hello , Backlog

Redirect drive: In response to an unusually high redirect backlog, we held a redirect backlog drive in May. The drive completed with 23851 reviews done in total, bringing the redirect backlog to 0 (momentarily). Congratulations to who led with a staggering 4316 points, followed by  and  with 2868 and 2546 points respectively. See this page for more details. The redirect queue is steadily rising again and is steadily approaching 4,000. Please continue to help out, even if it's only for a few or even one review a day.

Redirect autopatrol: All administrators without autopatrol have now been added to the redirect autopatrol list. If you see any users who consistently create significant amounts of good quality redirects, consider requesting redirect autopatrol for them here.

WMF work on PageTriage: The WMF Moderator Tools team, consisting of, and also some patches from , has been hard at work updating PageTriage. They are focusing their efforts on modernising the extension's code rather than on bug fixes or new features, though some user-facing work will be prioritised. This will help make sure that this extension is not deprecated, and is easier to work on in the future. In the next month or so, we will have an opt-in beta test where new page patrollers can help test the rewrite of Special:NewPagesFeed, to help find bugs. We will post more details at WT:NPPR when we are ready for beta testers.

Articles for Creation (AFC): All new page reviewers are now automatically approved for Articles for Creation draft reviewing (you do not need to apply at WT:AFCP like was required previously). To install the AFC helper script, visit Special:Preferences, visit the Gadgets tab, tick "Yet Another AFC Helper Script", then click "Save". To find drafts to review, visit Special:NewPagesFeed, and at the top left, tick "Articles for Creation". To review a draft, visit a submitted draft, click on the "More" menu, then click "Review (AFCH)". You can also comment on and submit drafts that are unsubmitted using the script.

You can review the AFC workflow at WP:AFCR. It is up to you if you also want to mark your AFC accepts as NPP reviewed (this is allowed but optional, depends if you would like a second set of eyes on your accept). Don't forget that draftspace is optional, so moves of drafts to mainspace (even if they are not ready) should not be reverted, except possibly if there is conflict of interest.

Pro tip: Did you know that visual artists such as painters have their own SNG? The most common part of this "creative professionals" criteria that applies to artists is WP:ARTIST 4b (solo exhibition, not group exhibition, at a major museum) or 4d (being represented within the permanent collections of two museums).

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Hello , The New Page Patrol team is sending you this impromptu message to inform you of a steeply rising backlog of articles needing review. If you have any extra time to spare, please consider reviewing one or two articles each day to help lower the backlog. You can start reviewing by visiting Special:NewPagesFeed. Thank you very much for your help.

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Missing you
Hello ,

I hope you are fine, and I am wishing you all the best. I wanted to let you know that I am missing you and your contributions. Renerpho (talk) 00:34, 4 September 2023 (UTC)
 * Missing you too. Double sharp (talk) 09:58, 8 December 2023 (UTC)

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Category:Cometary object articles has been nominated for discussion
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Nomination of History of photovoltaic growth for deletion
A discussion is taking place as to whether the article History of photovoltaic growth, to which you have significantly contributed, is suitable for inclusion in Wikipedia according to Wikipedia's policies and guidelines or if it should be deleted.

The discussion will take place at Articles for deletion/History of photovoltaic growth until a consensus is reached, and anyone, including you, is welcome to contribute to the discussion. Users may edit the article during the discussion, including to improve the article to address concerns raised in the discussion. However, do not remove the article-for-deletion notice from the top of the article.

To customise your preferences for automated AfD notifications for articles to which you've significantly contributed (or to opt-out entirely), please visit the configuration page. Delivered by SDZeroBot (talk) 01:01, 9 January 2024 (UTC)

Wow!
Hey, I saw on WP:RECORDS that the List of minor planets (numerical) was the longest article at creation date -- with a whopping 2,024,726 bytes! Wow. If I may ask, what was the process of creating the article? Were all the planets already on a list that was elsewhere? I am only asking this because I am curious. Sometimes, it's rather hard to determine the story of articles came to be just from their edit histories. Thanks for all you do on Wikipedia! Crunchydillpickle🥒 (talk) 01:54, 24 January 2024 (UTC)


 * The creator of that list is no longer active, so I'm going to reply here. It was created using an external app,, which does most of the article creation automatically, based on a handful of publically available sources (or at least it used to, it's largely non-functional now). Compare User:Rfassbind/Minor planet redirects of non-exsitent articles, User:Rfassbind/Minor planet list link revision, User:Rfassbind/LOMP revision, and the many other subpages of this user page that relate to the creation of this very extensive list (which is now divided into about 700 smaller lists, with 1,000 entries each). Renerpho (talk) 22:31, 12 July 2024 (UTC)

Speedy deletion nomination of Kristina M. Barkume
Hello Rfassbind,

I wanted to let you know that I just tagged Kristina M. Barkume for deletion, because the article doesn't clearly indicate why the subject is important enough to be included in an encyclopedia.

If you feel that the article shouldn't be deleted and want more time to work on it, you can contest this deletion, but don't remove the speedy deletion tag from the top.

You can leave a note on my talk page if you have questions. Thanks!

Message delivered via the Page Curation tool, on behalf of the reviewer.

TRL (talk) 00:08, 3 May 2024 (UTC)

Speedy deletion nomination of Henry G. Roe
Hello Rfassbind,

I wanted to let you know that I just tagged Henry G. Roe for deletion, because the article doesn't clearly indicate why the subject is important enough to be included in an encyclopedia.

If you feel that the article shouldn't be deleted and want more time to work on it, you can contest this deletion, but don't remove the speedy deletion tag from the top.

You can leave a note on my talk page if you have questions. Thanks!

Message delivered via the Page Curation tool, on behalf of the reviewer.

TRL (talk) 00:08, 3 May 2024 (UTC)

Speedy deletion nomination of Henry G. Roe


A tag has been placed on Henry G. Roe requesting that it be speedily deleted from Wikipedia. This has been done under section A7 of the criteria for speedy deletion, because the article appears to be about a real person or group of people that does not credibly indicate how or why the subject is important or significant: that is, why an article about that subject should be included in an encyclopedia. Under the criteria for speedy deletion, such articles may be deleted at any time. Please read more about what is generally accepted as notable.

If you think this page should not be deleted for this reason, you may contest the nomination by visiting the page and clicking the button labelled "Contest this speedy deletion". This will give you the opportunity to explain why you believe the page should not be deleted. However, be aware that once a page is tagged for speedy deletion, it may be deleted without delay. Please do not remove the speedy deletion tag from the page yourself, but do not hesitate to add information in line with Wikipedia's policies and guidelines. If the page is deleted, and you wish to retrieve the deleted material for future reference or improvement, then please contact the. If you reply here, please ping me. thetechie@enwiki :  ~/talk/  $  19:31, 7 May 2024 (UTC)