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Point taken.
You're right. There's never an excuse to make a personal attack against an individual editor. So let me ask you a question your record of communication demonstrates you'll appreciate: Why can't the Australians teach their sons not to be dicks? Much love, Dan.—DCGeist (talk) 16:41, 24 October 2008 (UTC)
 * This is now the second time this editor has referred to me personally as a "dick", and this particular instance was in the guise of an apology of sorts. Given that my initial edit summary was a vague attempt at humour, his responses seem out of proportion to say the least. BigHaz - Schreit mich an 23:11, 24 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Fair enough. We Yanks iz (a) senzative abowt ower kimmand of Inglish and (b) too preocuppied with more important matters to appreciate any but the most unambiguous stabs at levity. I apologize for overreacting.—DCGeist (talk) 23:34, 24 October 2008 (UTC)

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Yes, you were within your rights, but you made no attempts to support your view or seek consensus and you simply started what could have easily degenerated into an edit war. And I believe that source you removed to be completely viable because what is being referenced is not in the content taken from wikipedia. Not a big deal though. —Preceding unsigned comment added by PEiP (talk • contribs) 02:40, 29 November 2008 (UTC)
 * And herein lies the problem. If the only thing in the source I removed that wasn't cited to Wikipedia is taken as evidence, we have perhaps the flimsiest source I've seen in several years. That particular thing is the title of the page, which is something like "Prog-Archives", so all that demonstrates is that someone, somewhere along the line, believes that the band is a progressive rock act. To demonstrate the fallacy of using this as proof of anything bar an opinion, consider the bands listed on Metal-Archives - not all of the entries are for bands which have performed in the heavy metal genre for their entire careers (indeed some of them are for bands which have never performed in the heavy metal genre), and not all bands which have performed heavy metal at any given point are included. Thus, inclusion in that site simply demonstrates that someone thought they should be included there, and given what I found on the Prog-Archives (or whatever it was called) site, I strongly suspect they operate on the same basis.
 * Indeed, I'm being charitable by not removing more of those citations. All that they demonstrate is people referring to the band very briefly as a prog act, which again only demonstrates that certain people believe it to be true. Mercifully, there was no attempt to re-insert the claim that the band plays "experimental" music, but even the idea that it plays "progressive" music is shaky. If we take bands such as Tull, ELP, Floyd, Yes and even Rush as being unquestionably prog acts and then we listen to 3's discography (as I forced myself to recently), we see precisely no similarities. One or two songs are comparatively long, but that doesn't make prog-rock by itself. What we see is moderately skilled alternative rock music with a pop sensibility. Yes, that's my opinion only, but until there's a source out there that can demonstrate where these similarities are, I'll stick to it thanks. BigHaz - Schreit mich an 03:45, 29 November 2008 (UTC)

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Nami
I did not add any thing improper to Kazutsugi Nami page or any other page. You must be mistaken about username etc....Jon Ascton (talk) —Preceding undated comment was added at 01:10, 7 February 2009 (UTC).

Who are you really ?
BTW Are you Nami's lawyer ? Jon Ascton (talk) —Preceding undated comment was added at 01:36, 7 February 2009 (UTC).
 * Just a couple of examples of where you added unreferenced controversial material:
 * here and here. There's also this edit, which is a bit more extreme. Each one of those edits made by you - or at least made by a person logged in as you - had the effect of adding unreferenced and controversial material to the article. Nami may ultimately be found guilty, but until that's the case, we can't say that he is. Consult the relevant policy guide for more information on this point, or ask me if you're unclear.
 * I'm not "Nami's lawyer". I'm an editor on this website, and as a result I'm responsible at least in part for making sure that policies and guidelines are upheld. Moreover, I'm an admin here, too, which gives me added responsibilities in that and other areas. In other words, I've been around here long enough to know how the site and its policies work, and I'm happy to help you out if you're having difficulty as well. BigHaz - Schreit mich an 08:50, 7 February 2009 (UTC)
 * You also may want to be careful about edits such as this and edit summaries such as this in future, too. The idea behind Wikipedia is to try to edit calmly and avoid calling people names. BigHaz - Schreit mich an 09:36, 7 February 2009 (UTC)

You are very much mistaken
I did not add any controversial info to ANY page Jon Ascton (talk) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Jon Ascton (talk • contribs) 12:08, 7 February 2009 (UTC)

Let's make it clear
I only added " which he used to fool tens of thousands of people, defrauding away more than US$ 1.4 billion. " because it is there on almost all papers...please read it.

I never added "and attempting to take over the world" phrase, it was already there. I might have retained it while editing but under no circumstance did I put it there...

Nevertheless, I think you are right.

As about the other edits I made recently there was nothing scandlous about them. I REVERTED the name of images on SIKH page because someone had mistakingingly changed them, not knowing the difference between general text in page and image names ( please read it again ) Jon Ascton (talk) —Preceding undated comment was added at 12:17, 7 February 2009 (UTC).
 * Close, but not quite. The links I've added (which we call "diffs") show - in red - precisely the changes that you made to the Nami article. So, in the first one, you've removed the term "allegedly" and argued in your edit summary that "that is beyond dispute". It is not "beyond dispute" at all. At present, Nami has only been accused of fooling these people. Yes, the evidence looks rather damning, but a court has not yet said "Nami fooled these people", so neither can we.
 * In the second diff, you've added the claim that he "defrauded away" an amount of money. Again, a court has not said "Nami defrauded people of this amount of money", so neither can we. Until a court says that, it's not proven. The law and our policies are quite clear on the matter - until something is proven legally (rather than in the court of public opinion), it's an allegation and not a fact. Furthermore, when it is proven legally, we still need a reliable source to say that it was proven legally. In the same way as I can't go around claiming that you've done something nasty and illegal, neither can we write it about Nami or about any other living person.
 * The third diff demonstrates the need to be careful when editing the articles relating to living people involved in controversial activities. The claim that Nami was trying to take over the world was not in the version you edited and was in the version you saved after you finished. There is also another diff in which your edit summary claims that you're removing a personal attack, but you end up inserting another one, so again be careful.
 * The two other diffs I've pointed you to are different issues. Calling any other user "particularly dumb" as you did in the first of them is a personal attack, which is something editors are specifically cautioned to avoid. In the second one, the substance of your edit was very good indeed, but you referred to the previous editor as a "dumbhead", which is again a personal attack. Yes, the behaviour of other editors can be frustrating at times, but calling them names isn't a good idea.
 * Hopefully this explains the position a bit more than it did before. Always remember that we have to be very careful when talking about living people - particularly those accused of crimes - and always remember to avoid personal attacks directed at other editors. That way, everyone will work happily together. BigHaz - Schreit mich an 13:21, 7 February 2009 (UTC)

Reply
First of all let me apologize for being rude.

I am guilty of removing the word "allegedly"...Guess I was wrong. I apologize again.

But for the rest me explain...

When I saw this article for the first time it read :

''Kazutsugi Nami (波和二, Nami Kazutsugi?) (b. 19 May 1933) is a Japanese businessman. He was arrested on February 4, 2009 on suspicion of orchestrating a massive investor fraud and attempting to take over the world.[1] He has invented the Enten currency which he plans to use when freed to wipe out the Japanese yen. Nami believes he is innocent. He's a sly little man''

Also, kindly note the word "sly man" at end which I removed. Moreover the article had a "tag" telling that it had something to do with spaceflight, I, understandably, removed that, too. This was what I meant I said in the edit summary. Jon Ascton (talk) 14:17, 7 February 2009 (UTC)

New Edits at Nami Article
Have made new edit at Kazutsugi Nami Article...have a look...and let me know if it is ok with you ? Jon Ascton (talk) 18:25, 7 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Looking good to me. I know it can be annoying not to be able to add things which seem self-evident into articles, but it's ultimately for the best. BigHaz - Schreit mich an 20:50, 7 February 2009 (UTC)

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List of patter songs
Please do not keep reverting this article. What you are expressing is your point of view, and not an established fact. I read you comments on the talk page with interest but am not convinced by them. If you have a reference to support your claim then please provide it on the article's talk page. Blind reverting is not acceptable here and we work by consensus. The consensus is that it is a patter song. Thanks. Jack1956 (talk) 10:49, 26 April 2009 (UTC)
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Hello, I had gotten an e-mail from one of Western Civ's fans asking why they don't have a wikipedia page. I remembered that there had been one at one point in time so I traced it back to you. I am not an active wiki user, so I do hope you forgive my lack of knowledge on how this works. I have read the reason for deletion and I have also read all of the criteria that must be met by a band to be considered notable. If I read the deletion log correctly I see that the reason for deletion was listed as "expired prod - borderline db-band" That said, I am including (as references) in this message links to their three published albums, a list of press garnered and links to some of their fan pages online. If you google the words "Western Civ" the band is the second and third return on google. I do believe that these elements are all examples of "Notability" as Wikipedia defines it for music. Since the page "Western Civ" is simply being used to redirect people to the "Western Culture" article at the moment, I do hope you will reestablish this page to it's original form, as a wiki for the band "Western Civ"

References: Link to Western Civ's published works: [www.cdbaby.com/all/westernciv ] Link to Western Civ's media press kit which includes 10 (of over 100) published reviews and articles about "Western Civ" as well as a partial list of FM stations that are playing Western Civ's music: www.sonicbids.com/westernciv

Links to Western Civ's websites: www.myspace.com/westernciv www.twitter.com/westernciv www.westerncivrock.com

Please let me know where to go from here. I'll be looking forward to speaking with you further.

Thank You, Lessaun (talk) 18:16, 26 October 2009 (UTC) manager, Western Civ Insert non-formatted text here  Insert non-formatted text here
 * I'm hardly the most active user here these days either, but since you asked for a response it's the least I can do. Firstly, I'd point out that notability can and does evolve over time. A band may well not have been notable at the time the article was first added, but they may have become notable since then. If that's the case, there's no obstacle to an article being re-created.
 * That said, we need to look at the criteria carefully. The golden rule, as you've probably seen, is that the band needs to have been mentioned in independent, verifiable sources. MySpace and Twitter pages, along with the band's main page, are not going to count here. Fan pages are a bit of a challenge too, since they're not the most independent of things. However, we're talking about some reviews and things as well, so we may still be in business.
 * A quick skim of the reviews you've linked to suggests that they may qualify. Not being American myself, I can't speak for the scale of the newspapers etc mentioned, so we may still be in trouble if they're small local jobs.
 * I'm not seeing any evidence of anything charting nationally or any massive tours, so we can ignore those parts of the criteria. The same goes for notable members.
 * The fact that a number of radio stations play their music may also count. Again, I'll have to defer to someone who knows more on this topic than I do where the scale of these radio stations is concerned. I know that if I were to go for a drive here in Australia, I'd be able to choose from bigtime radio stations right the way through to local ones with not much range, so I'm hoping some of those listed are bigtime stations.
 * Label-wise, we can probably agree they're not on a notable one.
 * So, as for where we go from here, I'd say there are two options. The first is to re-create the article using the independent sources you have and hope for the best. The second is to wait longer and see what happens, particularly if the band continues along its merry way and becomes more notable. Frankly, I would be inclined to take the second option here, generally because you're the manager of the band and therefore have a bit of a vested interest in the article. I'm not saying you're lying or anything, of course, more just that it's better not to be connected in this way here.
 * I'd also point out that the lack of a Wikipedia page is far from a terminal disease. Several of my favourite bands don't have pages, since they haven't yet cracked the bigtime (or the "bigenoughtime", if I can put it that way). By the looks of things, if Western Civ aren't there yet, they will be one day. BigHaz - Schreit mich an 22:57, 26 October 2009 (UTC)

Thank you for responding. However, I am at a bit of a loss here still. The level of their notability is not really what I had questions about. There are many bands on wikipedia who have much less notability than Western Civ. The main thing I need is to know if you are personally capable of reinstating the Western Civ page that you deleted? I mentioned their notability to illustrate that they do indeed meet the requirements. I believe that you may have been mistaken in your assessment of the band's level of exposure, so to clarify I will give direct examples.

Only about 1.5% of Western Civ's fans are based in Australia so I would not expect you to know of the band personally, but they are doing well in the US. They have charted on the CMJ radio 200 charts (which is the #1 charting company in the US for the type of music Western Civ plays) and their last album stayed on the radio charts for over 6 weeks in the US. Just to list some of the nationwide major media outlets that have written about Western Civ we would need to include reviews from some of the largest newspapers in the USA including The Chicago Tribune (4 out of 5 stars), The Orlando Sentinel (4 out of 5 stars), The Baltimore Sun (4 out of 5 stars), The Sun Sentinel in Miami (4 out of 5 stars) as well as Magnet Magazine, Performer Magazine, Crawdaddy Magazine, Harp Magazine, CMJ Music News and others. Their most recent release "Shower The People You Love With Gold" was produced by Mitch Easter (Former Let's Active frontman and producer for REM, Pavement, Dinosaur Jr. and more.) Their tour history includes playing well known venues in New York City, Raleigh (NC), Chicago (IL), Austin (TX), St.Louis (MO), Muscle Shoals (AL), Cincinnati (OH), Ann Arbor (MI), Athens (GA) and so on... The radio play they have been getting in the US includes over 80+ FM stations all across the US and several outside of the US. Those 80+ FM stations consists of a variety of large, small and college radio stations.

The wiki page that had been posted under "Western Civ" originally was not created by me, so there is no conflict of interest in my request for it to be reinstated. Just out of curiosity, why did you need the wiki title Western Civ? It is still only being used as a redirect to the page "Western Culture." It would be much appreciated if you were to undelete the page. If you are not authorized to undelete it, please direct me to whom I need to speak with next. Like I mentioned before, I've never spent time on wikipedia as a contributor or even as a logged in user, so I am not certain of the intricacies involved in undeleting a page. But unless I am mistaken, the person who deleted the page is the person who can undo it. Am I correct? Thanks again for getting back to me.

Talk Soon, -Lessaun —Preceding unsigned comment added by Lessaun (talk • contribs) 20:28, 12 November 2009 (UTC)
 * The argument that "there are bands here with less notability than X" doesn't really hold water. An article subject stands or falls on its own notability, rather than that of similar subjects. If there are less notable bands with articles, you're welcome to list them for deletion.
 * As for reinstating a page that's been deleted, the short answer is that yes, I (and any other administrator, for that matter) can definitely do that. The long answer, however, is that the original page would have been deleted because it didn't demonstrate notability at the time and in the way it was written. Reinstating that page will simply risk the same fate befalling it again. Far better, surely, to create the page afresh and provide it with better legs to stand on. Ultimately, you're going to be better off speaking with another administrator to get it recreated if you want to take that path, since I don't really play an active role here anymore.
 * As far as the notability itself is concerned, I hasten to point out that what I gave you before was a very quick assessment of where I felt the band stood in relation to the criteria. You of course feel differently, and it may well be that someone in a better position to judge would agree with you. If that's the case, the ultimate test is to write the article and see what happens.
 * To your claim that there is no conflict of interest, I still feel that there is one. The original page was written by someone else, but that page was deleted. You - who obviously are very close to the subject - are asking about getting it re-created (either in the same form that it was deleted in, or entirely afresh). That's a conflict of interest.
 * The deletion, moreover, was not due to a "need" (on my part or anyone else's) for the page title. The deletion was done because the article as it was written at the time did not demonstrate notability in accordance with the criteria at the time. If the article as it would be written now demonstrates it in accordance with the criteria now, then there's no obstacle to having the article. That's the way it works, as I said earlier.
 * If the title "Western Civ" redirects to the article on "Western Culture", clearly that's a decision that's been reached by someone (not me, I should add) who felt that that was a good thing for it to do. Not being American myself, I can't be sure about this, but I'm aware that many universities teach courses on what you and I might call "Western Culture", but which are often referred to as "Western Civ". Presumably, the redirect was created so that any students looking for an article on "Western Civ" to see what sorts of things their course would cover would end up in the right place, rather than reading about a rock group. That being the case, perhaps a better solution would be to create the article for the band as "Western Civ (band)", thus ensuring that people end up at the right place when reading about the band. BigHaz - Schreit mich an 08:47, 13 November 2009 (UTC)

Actually, the page met all the requirements for notability at that time. That's why no one else had deleted it. (Their first album was released in 2005 and reviewed by major publications and played on radio in many US markets.) If it did not meet said requirements, in your opinion, then I would love for you to explain why in detail with examples. As per your statements, you are not American and not aware of the US publications and radio markets where the music industry is concerned. Thus making you a less than stellar source for making such decisions. I would recommend that in the future, you refrain from deleting articles when you are admittedly unfamiliar with the subject matter and thus the requirements for "notability" on the articles in that subject. The Western Civ article had not been deleted before you got to it because the other admins who had viewed it considered it to be viable. So I am not afraid of it being re-deleted. That is unless you are the one to do so.

To conclude our conversation on the matter: Will you reinstate the page at this point? If not I will go to another admin.

Thanks for your time, Lessaun (talk) 16:11, 17 November 2009 (UTC)
 * No, the page did not "[meet] all the requirements for notability at the time". If it had done, there would have been no "Prod" notice ("This page is proposed for deletion for the following reason") that had been there unchallenged for five days. If the page had demonstrated the notability of the subject, either the notice would not have been added or one of the other editors would have removed it, explaining how it actually met the criteria as set out. Neither event happened, which suggests that the notability (even the notability that the subject may have had at the time) was not conveyed in the article. Admittedly, you're asking me to recall the text on a page I deleted more than a year ago, so my recollection is more than a little hazy. I am, however, familiar with the processes here, and that's why I know that notability wasn't demonstrated. The fact that I personally deleted it was simply due to the fact that I was the one checking the "expired prods" (notices which had been on articles for 5 days or more) at the time.
 * I would counter your recommendation with two points of my own. Firstly, my policy at the time I deleted the article was that if there was anything indicating possible notability, I passed the case onto someone closer to the topic. This indicates that there was no possible notability on the page as written. I would point out here, as a side-note, that it would be quite possible to write an article about the President of the USA without indicating his notability, despite the fact that he is patently a notable individual.
 * Secondly, your comments are coming increasingly close to making personal attacks. It's one thing to point out that I am Australian - a fact I don't deny at all. It's quite another to draw the conclusion that because I'm Australian, I'm suddenly incapable of performing duties which the broader community of this website felt I was capable of performing, and from that to imply that I acted improperly. The fact that you are making such implications returns to my initial feeling that you have a vested interest in the article being present on Wikipedia. I have explained three times now what I did and why I did it, however you don't wish to accept my points.
 * In answer to your question - no. I will not reinstate the page as it did not demonstrate notability as it was written. You're welcome to consult another admin, as indeed I suggested some time ago. Any other admin, however, will be equally concerned by your closeness to the subject and the fact that the article did not demonstrate notability last time. BigHaz - Schreit mich an 19:57, 17 November 2009 (UTC)

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Hey! I'm a current officer on Ithaca High School Code Red Robotics Team 639, and I was recently perusing our web presence. Unfortunately, I found that (quite a while ago, March 2007) our page was deleted. The given reason was proposed deletion. I can't fathom any reason for deleting our page, especially since we are a FIRST Robotics Team (not alone here on Wikipedia) and already have a web presence at team639.org. It may be that the page was vandalized and beyond hope of recovery. I assure you that we now have a full-time web team which can maintain the page. The question is, can it be recovered/undeleted? I've only created my account just now to send you this message, but I imagine the most convenient way is for you to post something to my user page. Thanks for your time, please get back to me. Amcnicoll (talk) 01:40, 7 July 2010 (UTC)

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Hi

The version 1.0 bot has started working again, although the article alert bot has not, and I have just found that there were some articles deleted after 7 days.

Growing self-organizing map which falls under the perdue of the Robotics project.

Is there any chance you can tell me please if there was any content in there and if it can be Userified for me to try and include in other articles or to be rewritten? If so there is a page ready at User:Chaosdruid/sandbox7

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Hi. In 2004, why did you create an article on a unknown physics professor, entitled John Boardman in Wikipedia? Should all university professors regardless of their contributions be included in Wikipedia? Stevenmitchell (talk) 21:14, 10 February 2012 (UTC)
 * I can see you're trying to fight the same battle on the talk page for the article. Considering that the man made significant contributions to the game of Diplomacy, I felt at the time that the article was justified. As you've been told on the talk page, there are other contributions he's made in other fields (ones I'm not qualified to assess). Of course "all university professors" should not be included in Wikipedia, unless they are notable in some way - either within or without their academic fields. The fact that you haven't heard of an article subject doesn't mean that the article should not exist - otherwise this wouldn't be an encyclopedia, would it? BigHaz - Schreit mich an 21:47, 10 February 2012 (UTC)

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Dear BigHaz,

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Hello. Regarding the issue of whether to use a or an before the word homage, the site dictionary.com gives a specific example of this on the page that defines homage: "something done or given in acknowledgment or consideration of the worth of another: a Festschrift presented as an homage to a great teacher.". In some situations a is used before a word that starts with h (as on your user page...a historian) but in other situations an is the appropriate choice. This is reputable information, feel free to revert your edit on the Dead Men Don't Wear Plaid article. Great movie, by the way. Dk100 (talk) 04:33, 15 February 2012 (UTC)
 * I know what the word means, yes. That doesn't change my point. The rule, you'll find, is that if the "h" is pronounced, the article is "a". If the "h" is silent, the article is "an". Thus, I can be a historian and watch a hologram for an hour in a hotel eating a hot dog. The American mock-French pronunciation of "homage" is the equivalent of the Monty Python routine about "an hoop". In other words, the edit stands. BigHaz - Schreit mich an 10:24, 15 February 2012 (UTC)

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Hi BigHaz, It has been noted that you have reintroduced data that has been removed from ESC 2010; ESC 2011; and ESC 2012 articles, after a discussion took place to remove these details. Both CT Cooper and myself have pointed out to, that these sections were never accepted as standard sections at all - there were simply mass added by another user under the radar without any consensus, which there should be for something like this. If you choose to edit an article regularly you should be keeping an eye on what is going on the talk page, which is used to allow improvements to be made, and if multiple editors are repeatedly removing a section, that is usually a strong hint that there might be something that needs discussion. These sections have been badly formatted with various problems including inappropriate links in the section headings (discouraged in MOS:HEAD), a one entry table that could be in prose, no written explanation on what these tables mean, and most importantly, no sources. As an established user I'm sure you are aware that it is requirement per the Verifiability policy that content added to articles is sourced if it is challenged or likely to be challenged, which this is, and the burden is on those adding or restoring such material to provide sources. Could you please self-revert your actions - thank you Wesley  ☀  Mouse  12:25, 29 May 2012 (UTC)
 * The "discussion" to which you refer seems to have been a very minor one at best, and consisted of a couple of people saying that they felt the information should not be there. That's not necessarily a "discussion" in the proper sense of the word. I know entirely what a talk page is designed for, and would appreciate not receiving a lecture on the topic if that's all the same to you. I'm not going to say that the information as it is currently presented is 100% perfect by any means, which should hardly come as a surprise in a collaborative effort such as this. Were it not late and were I not unwell, I would have attempted to format the information better and make it more useful, verifiable and relevant, and I would contend that the second of those three criteria can be fulfilled quite simply by anyone who wishes to do so, rather than simply gainsaying the inclusion entirely. As I pointed out in my edit, and as I will say here as well, the inclusion of an award winner for Eurovision is exactly as notable as saying that Player X won the "Golden Boot" award after a given FIFA World Cup. It's an award given for a performance at a major event. End of story, as far as I can see. BigHaz - Schreit mich an 12:35, 29 May 2012 (UTC)
 * They are also awards data that are currently covered on their respective articles. What should really have happened is each Eurovision by year article, should have had links to OGAE and Marcel award articles at the bottom of their pages in a "see also" section - this is the norm on most cases like this.  As it has been pointed out, another user added these sections originally without seeking a consensus on the proposal of these new sections.  Communication is a vital tool, and should have been done by the user who had originally added content without seeing if they warranted inclusion - it could be that the user was unaware of that procedure at that time.  However, as this content has now been noticed, they have been removed accordingly, and in accordance to several policies that have been pointed out by .  Also, please avoid negative tones aimed at other user, like you did above stating that I gave you a "lecture"; when I never did such thing.  Everything I wrote was in good faith, and explaining reasons why details had been removed.   Wesley  ☀  Mouse  12:43, 29 May 2012 (UTC)
 * For want of a better description, it's your "tone of voice" to which I objected when I indicated that you were lecturing me. That may be the way that you normally interact with people online, and if so there we are, but it qualifies as a lecture in my book. With regards to my example, I would refer you to the article on the 2010 World Cup, the most recent edition of the tournament. You'll find that there is a section dealing with the "awards" given at the end of it, the team of the tournament etc. It's formatted slightly better than the list of awards at the conclusion of those three Eurovisions, but there it is. If you want to suggest to the people involved in those articles that those awards are better off being moved to a separate page linked by a "see also" section, then please do. BigHaz - Schreit mich an 23:40, 29 May 2012 (UTC)


 * Sorry, but it being "verifiable" isn't good enough. If editors are going to insist on it being there it needs to be sourced and sourced properly. WP:BURDEN, which is part of a core policy of this project, is pretty clear on whose responsibility it is here. I don't think the sections should be there and I have better things to be doing. As far as I'm concerned, lack of sources is grounds alone for removal, and content which isn't sourced will be removed. CT Cooper · &#32;talk 13:33, 29 May 2012 (UTC)
 * So if there are no sources for these awards, why do we have a page which lists them at all, as there is at the present time? BigHaz - Schreit mich an 23:40, 29 May 2012 (UTC)


 * Sorry if my tone sounded like a lecture, it wasn't meant to come across that way - I was merely trying to be helpful in explaining things. I didn't know at the time how experienced you actually are on here - my mistake. I understand your point of view in regards to the way the awards are listed on the 2010 World Cup article.  However, on the nine Eurovision articles (yes, these data tables went back as far as 2003 upon further investigation); not one of the sections for Marcel and OGAE awards had a prose explaining what they were; so anyone viewing them with no knowledge of Eurovision, would start to wonder how these awards where determined, as they are never announced on the live shows.  I wrote a little prose on the 2012 article - which is being used as an example towards a RfC on the layout style for these articles.  Having a "see also" section would be more logical though, and again I've tested that idea out on the 2010 - 2012 articles for comparison during the RfC.
 * In response to the question you put forward to CT Cooper, there are articles for Marcel Bezençon Awards and OGAE Awards, and they list all the winners, and has a handful of sources to cite what these awards are about. Having the details also appearing on Eurovision by Year articles (such as ESC 2010 etc) may be excessive - but that is just my personal opinion on the matter.   Wesley  ☀  Mouse  23:53, 29 May 2012 (UTC)
 * So, at the risk of going further around in circles, I'll make my points one last time. If there are articles for the Bezençon and OGAE Awards which have their respective sources and explanations (the pages I referred to in my response to CT Cooper), we know that the information is verifiable, sourced and capable of being included in Wikipedia. Thus, CT Cooper's point is largely moot. "Lack of sources" is not something we're dealing with. What we're dealing with is information which needs to be included in the right way, just as post-tournament awards are in sporting events. The model of those articles seems eminently sensible - the awards themselves are included with links so that the curious can click to another page in order to find out who the devil Bezençon or OGAE is, just as people can do the same to find out exactly what a Golden Boot or a Fred Biletnikoff Award might relate to on pages that talk about someone winning either such thing. The fact that such information needs some surgery before it gets to that stage is hardly reason to remove it in the first place - otherwise there'd be plenty of articles that never got off the ground. BigHaz - Schreit mich an 00:20, 30 May 2012 (UTC)

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Good day, BigHaz

I was looking for information on George Guidall, a narrator of audio books. I noticed that you deleted a page under that name back in 2007. I'm wondering if you happen to recall why that was done? (The delete summary wasn't clear to me).

I don't want to recreate the page if there is some reason why it shouldn't exist.

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Estonian Eurovision entries.
I marked these as uncontroversial redirects as neither page had any references. Also, under criteria of WP:MUSIC it states that a song should have reached first, second or third position in a major music contest. In both cases the songs fell well short of that. Hence the uncontroversial redirect. Karst (talk) 16:46, 27 November 2016 (UTC)
 * You'll note that to enter the Eurovision Song Contest, an Estonian entry needs to win the national pre-selection, which is a "major music contest". This was discussed many years ago and settled then, so let's not re-invent wheels. BigHaz - Schreit mich an 21:45, 27 November 2016 (UTC)
 * Additionally, references have been added (yes, they could do with being in-text ones, but they are at least something now). If a wheel is to be re-invented, it's a discussion to have, rather than a unilateral redirect to make, you'll surely agree. BigHaz - Schreit mich an 21:54, 27 November 2016 (UTC)


 * I do not see how the Estonian national pre-selection for the Eurovision Song Festival is a major music contest. However, under WP:BRD I accept this will now have to go to RfC at some point. Thanks for adding the references, both articles have some way to go before they pass WP:GNG. Karst (talk) 11:36, 28 November 2016 (UTC)
 * I would have difficulty understanding how a number of national contests (and a few international ones) with their own articles and links to articles about participants are "major" as well, but that's the way things are. BigHaz - Schreit mich an 21:52, 28 November 2016 (UTC)

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Norfolk Island
I undid your change to the native name of the island, because it was unsourced and the existing name was sourced to a government publication (although the ref was dead and I substituted another copy). I am no expert on this subject, and it appears you might be, so if you want to reapply your change I will not edit war over it, but please add a source showing the use of that version.- gadfium 01:18, 27 February 2017 (UTC)
 * I can't claim to be an "expert", but you're welcome to flatter me and claim otherwise. Certainly happy to look for sources, but the challenges are that the local language doesn't tend to be written very much (and there's not really a "standard" for it) and a lot of the official documents have been obliterated by the actions of my charming government in the past 18 months or so. There's bound to be something, I hope, though. BigHaz - Schreit mich an 05:30, 27 February 2017 (UTC)

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Your "Schreit mich an"
G'day BigHaz. Perhaps by "Schreit mich an" you mean to say in German "Write to me", but you seem to have said something like "Step on me" or (figuratively) "Get to work on me". "Write to me" would be "Schreib mir". But this is not an error (if it is) to be anticipated from a de-4. Am perplexed. Wikiain (talk) 01:25, 4 March 2017 (UTC)
 * Neither of the above, you'll find. It's a slight misrendering of "Shout at me" (since I was formerly a very active user, people were more keen to shout at, rather than talk to, me here) with any grammatical quirks in tribute to an old friend who never quite got German grammar sorted out. "To step" would be "schritten", and this something to the tune of "Schritt auf mich". BigHaz - Schreit mich an 01:31, 4 March 2017 (UTC)
 * I was thinking of "schreiten". However, Safari translator gives "schreit mich an" as, from "schreien", (s/he is) "yelling at me".  That makes sense, anyway, and promise I therein not to participate.  Here is a present for you in case you haven't seen it. Wikiain (talk) 03:41, 4 March 2017 (UTC)

Speedy Deletion of Aphmau
Hi! A page recently created called Aphmau, was deleted for not following the criteria of Wikipedia being that it was in violation of A7 and G11. I was wondering if you could put the code of the page into my sandbox, and tell me pointers on how I can make the article better. Specific pointers. This was my second article that I created on Wikipedia and I thought that I created one that was not in direct violation of Wikipedia rules. Please get back to me! Jamesjpk (talk) 16:18, 31 March 2017 (UTC)
 * I think the specific pointers I would give you would be to look at the criteria cited in the deletion. A7 explains that the subject of the article needs to be "important or significant", and G11 indicates that the article itself can't simply be "promotional". We may well differ in our interpretations of whether the article was promotional, but there wasn't anything in the original article which indicated why the subject was "important or significant", so much as there was a blow-by-blow account of her life to date. Do also recall that there's the additional hurdle of needing to indicate the Notability of the subject through reliable sources, rather than just simply making claims of significance, assuming that A7 is indeed passed. BigHaz - Schreit mich an 21:20, 31 March 2017 (UTC).
 * Can you give me the code of the deleted page so I can edit it and make it better? Jamesjpk (talk) 21:27, 31 March 2017 (UTC)
 * Frankly, you're better off starting afresh, as the article contained nothing beyond biography, without a single claim of importance or notability. Before you do, though, can I ask what the notability would be that the subject has? Without it, I can almost guarantee that the re-written article would be either speedied or deleted in another way. BigHaz - Schreit mich an 21:40, 31 March 2017 (UTC)
 * The notability would be of her being famous within the YouTube community. She has over 2.6M subscribers and has a combined view count of 1,149,854,256. She is in the top 1000 subscribed YouTube channels. I think that if Alan Becker has a Wikipedia page about his fame on YouTube, yet has less subscribers than Aphmau, than he has less notability than her. Also, if I had the Aphmau page, I can salvage much of the info-box when re-creating a page. Please let me know if I can have the code! Jamesjpk (talk) 22:06, 31 March 2017 (UTC)
 * Another notability would be her being nominated for the Shorty Awards, in the gaming category. Jamesjpk (talk) 22:16, 31 March 2017 (UTC)
 * Another (another) notability would be that she is already mentioned on the Wiki several times so the article wouldn't be an orphan. Please get back to me if I can get the code of the page! (im sorry if I seem a little spammy at this point xD) Jamesjpk (talk) 23:24, 31 March 2017 (UTC)
 * You do come across a little spammy, yes. Do recall that editors are in different time zones, and in this case my ability to respond to you at all let alone with the code you're after - is conditioned by it being Saturday morning for me, and the start of quite a busy weekend. I can therefore make no guarantee about when I'll have the chance to get the code to you. I note that the links you've provided (which I've removed, as there's no need for them here) weren't in the original article when it was deleted, which suggests again that starting afresh, writing an article in line with the relevant policies and perhaps then adding in any biographical detail from the original article may be the better move. Nonetheless, I'll get what I can to you when I can get it to you. With regards to the arguments you've made about notability, I'd make the following points. Firstly, as mentioned, none of those claims were in the original article. Secondly, the inclusion (or lack thereof) of an article on any other subject doesn't constitute a reason to include or delete an article on any given subject. Thirdly, consider the criteria specifically relating to web content in regards to this article and the subject's nomination for an award. Finally, the fact that someone or something is "mentioned several times" elsewhere is not a claim of notability. BigHaz - Schreit mich an 23:34, 31 March 2017 (UTC)
 * I'm really sorry if I came across as not having any consideration for different time zones. I didn't mean to be rude at all. The point I was trying to make across the whole string of conversation was that if I got the code back I bet I could make a uceful encyclopedia article that would add to this wiki

Thank you for the consideration of this topic! (I'm sorry! 😀) Jamesjpk (talk) 01:22, 1 April 2017 (UTC) Code coming up. BigHaz - Schreit mich an 23:39, 2 April 2017 (UTC)
 * I've now added the code (with no-wiki tags around it, but you're free to remove those) to your sandbox. The only part of the code on the page as deleted which I didn't add was the CSD tag itself, since that's largely irrelevant if you're re-creating the article. Your best bet if you want an experienced user/admin to review a re-written article would be to check with someone other than me, as I feel a fresher pair of eyes would do good here. BigHaz - Schreit mich an 23:45, 2 April 2017 (UTC)
 * Thank You! Jamesjpk (talk) 02:33, 4 April 2017 (UTC)

Deletion review for Deletion review/Log/2017 April 4
An editor has asked for a deletion review of Deletion review/Log/2017 April 4. Because you closed the deletion discussion for this page, speedily deleted it, or otherwise were interested in the page, you might want to participate in the deletion review. Jamesjpk (talk) 02:33, 4 April 2017 (UTC)
 * As mentioned, I'm not going to express an opinion in relation to what I take to be a re-created article which is presumably going to assert and demonstrate notability (at least, I can see that this subject is on the Deletion Review list you've linked here), where the previous version did not. My involvement in this ran as far as deleting the original incarnation of the article which (as seen in the code which I added to your sandbox page) was merely a blow-by-blow account of the young lady's life, studiously avoiding any claims of anything beyond being a living human female. If you want to seek an opinion on a new version of the article, I suggest that you seek it from another pair of eyes than mine. The situation with respect to the original article, which was speedily-deleted as per our discussion here and in the section above, is entirely clear. BigHaz - Schreit mich an 07:49, 4 April 2017 (UTC)
 * Thank you for helping me thus far! 😀 Jamesjpk (talk) 12:33, 4 April 2017 (UTC)

CSD A10
Please be more careful. The article Jacques Rivière has existed for a long time. Yesterday a troll, Nsmutte, created a copy at Jacques Rivièry. You deleted the long-standing article as A10 completely wrongly. Then the troll blanked the copy and got it deleted that way. So you just helped Nsmutte attack their new harassment target, Ubiquity. BethNaught (talk) 11:20, 4 April 2017 (UTC)
 * Apologies. That was a result of having more tabs open than I probably should have had at the time. BigHaz - Schreit mich an 11:38, 4 April 2017 (UTC)

MasTrack Speedy Deletion
Hello User:BigHaz,

I noticed that you had deleted a page that I created titled MasTrack, due to what you considered "lack of significance". MasTrack was one of the first companies to offer Telematics technology back in 1999, and if you feel I did not sufficiently describe this, I would be more than happy to elaborate. For the time being, please restore the page in which I had created so that I can edit it to meet your approval. Thank you. --AirportExpert (talk) 11:24, 5 April 2017 (UTC)AirportExpert
 * The article as written didn't describe it at all, simply indicating that the company existed and was in the industry it is in. There's no obstacle to re-creating the page should you choose to do so, but you'll need to ensure that the page as re-created indicates that significance (and supports it with reliable evidence), as otherwise there's a risk that it would be deleted again. I'm about to turn in for the night as it stands, so I don't have the time right now to consider the request to restore the page as it was, but I will suggest that there's not much to be gained by restoring a page which was speedy-deleted, as another admin could just as easily speedy-delete it while you're asserting significance. Far better, on the face of it, to start afresh. BigHaz - Schreit mich an 11:29, 5 April 2017 (UTC)

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Deletion of NATCO Communications, Inc. page 4/19/17
Hello: Could you please provide insight on the information you deemed as "promotion?" I used the Comcast Wikipedia page as an example of the information that should be included in the article. There was no "call to action" for sales nor mention of any pricing. The article includes the list of services provided by the company.

I would appreciate your consideration in reviewing the article a 2nd time in direct comparison to other telecommunications companies' Wikipedia pages.

If you have suggestions on sentences or paragraphs that could be edited or altered to better suit the guidelines, please forward those to me. I will be glad to revise them as you see fit.

Thank you, BrooksJeffrey (talk) 19:40, 20 April 2017 (UTC)
 * Certainly. I think the first thing to say here is that "direct comparison" isn't what I'm going to do here, as each individual article stands or falls on its merits, rather than because there's a bunch of other similar articles (or not) already on Wikipedia. In other words, "But they've all got articles" isn't a valid reason to keep an article.
 * Looking at the article, there's no claim of notability anywhere in the text. Shorn of the information about what the company does, the article boils down to "NATCO is a communications company". It's been around for a while, true, but the fact that it's been around for a while doesn't necessarily confer notability (see the link to the policy on that topic). Even if it were notable purely because of its age, this would need to be supported by reliable, non-trivial, third-party sources, which the deleted incarnation of the article did not do.
 * In terms of its promotional aspects, there are two red flags I can see straight away. The first is that such links as there are, link (2 out of 3 times) to NATCO itself. That's promotion. Secondly, phrases like "an independent, locally-owned communications company" are the sorts of things present in advertising and not in encyclopedia articles. I wouldn't have deleted the article had that phrasing been the only concern, as it's possible to rewrite an article to avoid that kind of wording, but that combined with the lack of third-party coverage equates to promotional content.
 * You mention that there was no attempt to drive sales or mention of pricing. That's true, but only one part of what "promotion" is. If I sing the praises of my local Indian takeaway, for example, I'm promoting it just as surely as if I'm putting a menu in your letterbox. The same applies if I suggest you might want to vote in a certain way (or at all) in any political contest.
 * Lastly, you mentioned Comcast as a sort of "comparison point". The article on that company contains extensive third-party coverage of a wide variety of things to do with the business. Admittedly, Comcast is substantially larger than NATCO, so there's going to be more coverage available, but it's that third-party coverage point again.
 * What you could do if you want to re-create the article would be to create it first as a draft. You can therefore look for and add any references etc that you need, and then submit that for review. If it passes that review, then it can be moved into the main article-space here on Wikipedia, without the risk that an incomplete version would be re-deleted while you add to it. You're able to keep drafts active as long as you like, with the one caveat that a draft not actively improved in 6 months is up for deletion again. BigHaz - Schreit mich an 23:45, 20 April 2017 (UTC)

Moved to the appropriate location
Hey, i'm just writing you about my article you just deleted. The article you deleted was told to me to be revised and that's what I did following you guys nobility policy. I don't understand why it keeps getting deleted than again i'm trying to follow you guys guidelines as much as possible. Thanks for your time... — Preceding unsigned comment added by Youngthunder (talk • contribs)
 * The article to which I assume you refer was Young thunder. There are a couple of points I would raise here. The first is that there wasn't exactly a request that you "revise" the article, so much as a series of comments on your Talk page and the article/s you've created indicating that Wikipedia does have very strict policies regarding the notability of article subjects, and that Young Thunder did not give any indications of meeting those. You do have a chance to revise an article while it's up for Speedy Deletion, but unless those revisions overcome the issues raised, the article risks being deleted.
 * Secondly, there was a period of nearly two hours between the article being (re)-created and the Speedy Deletion tag being added, and a further three hours plus before I deleted it. During this time, you were aware of the fact that the article could be deleted and did not edit it at all. I appreciate that you may have been busy, but I don't see any "revising" of the article over that time.
 * Lastly, if it's genuinely a case of neeing to revise the article and find some more sources, I would strongly recommend creating the article as a Draft. As long as such an article is still being worked on (usually, that translates to "as long as you've not ignored it for 6 months or so"), you have time to expand, source and re-write the best possible article. Once you think it's ready, it can be checked by another editor and moved into the main body of the encyclopedia if indeed it is ready.
 * If you choose this option, please do remember that Wikipedia would need multiple, non-trivial, third-party coverage of the subject. For this reason, a lot of articles about people at the very beginning of their careers tend to get rejected, just because the subjects haven't yet got the kind of "traction" that makes them notable. For this reason, among others, writing about yourself is usually discouraged, as it's very difficult to remain neutral and provide verifiable sources.
 * Happy to discuss further if need be. Just respond below this message to keep everything tidy. BigHaz - Schreit mich an 11:16, 25 April 2017 (UTC)
 * Hallo! ICYMI, you deleted the 4th iteration, created after he similarly messaged me and instead of appealing to deletion review as I suggested. Tschau. Dloh cierekim  13:14, 25 April 2017 (UTC)
 * I knew it was an iteration greater than the first, but opted to confine my response to the one I'd deleted (although I made reference to "article/s", as I suspected that the same problem would have applied). BigHaz - Schreit mich an 23:06, 25 April 2017 (UTC)

Wiki page deleted retrieval
Can i have my wiki page back because it has all of my info in it and i seriously need it before thursday when my project is due. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Khalil0329 (talk • contribs) 05:57, 3 May 2017 (UTC)
 * Coming up. As discussed, I'll add it to your Sandbox so that you can use the information. That said, I will be forced to deliver a very strong warning to you as well, due to your move of my Talk page, which is entirely not on. BigHaz - Schreit mich an 06:03, 3 May 2017 (UTC)

Userfy request
Hi, could you please restore Aristocratic and royal writings and works to my userspace when you get a chance? I'd like to take a look at it. Thanks! Herostratus (talk) 23:06, 4 May 2017 (UTC)
 * Done. I've put it into the sub-page "aristocratic" from your userpage for now, but you're free to park it where you like, of course. BigHaz - Schreit mich an 23:41, 4 May 2017 (UTC)
 * Thanks! Saw it in passing and just wanted to check if anything useful can be salvaged from it -- probably not. Herostratus (talk) 01:43, 5 May 2017 (UTC)
 * No worries at all. Certainly my take on it when reviewing the CSD tag was that there was the germ of something interesting in it, but that if it were to be shorn of the arbitrariness and OR, it probably wouldn't amount to much. BigHaz - Schreit mich an 07:36, 5 May 2017 (UTC)
 * Yeah. It was a marginal speedy, but probably justified. As a practical matter, an article in that kind of shape would never be kept, so... User should have worked on in in draft. Actually I think he kept a copy. BTW take a gander at user's userpage if you want to see something... different... =/ Herostratus (talk) 09:04, 5 May 2017 (UTC)

About G1 vs non-English
Concerning your declining of this G1 nomination: I am well aware that merely not being in English is not a valid reason for G1 speedy deletion, but that only covers "coherent non-English material". Even in Portuguese however, that page is an incoherent mix of text snippets, copy-pasted from various unrelated websites. --HyperGaruda (talk) 09:38, 8 May 2017 (UTC)
 * I agree that the wording of the criterion is that. In the absence of a translation from the Portuguese or any serious ability on my part to read that language, assuming good faith is the "better" call to make. BigHaz - Schreit mich an 11:22, 8 May 2017 (UTC)

Martin-Luc Archambault
Hi there, I understand why you deleted my page Martin-Luc Archambault on wikipedia. Although, I do believe this was a mistake. I would like to get the content back to be able to work on it, improve it and make the tone different for it to be conform to the rules of Wiki Commons.

My email is tanya@ampme.com if you'd like to send the content to me. Thank you. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Tanyagauthiier (talk • contribs)
 * The version as written was irredeemably promotional in scope. Is there a reason you would require this, rather than starting afresh to write an article which will be more suitable? Additionally, please note that new content on a user's Talk page is customarily placed at the bottom of the page in a new section, rather than wherever you'd like it. BigHaz - Schreit mich an 22:26, 9 May 2017 (UTC)

Deletion of 360 Fitness Superstore article
Hello. I noticed the entry for "360 Fitness Superstore" has been deleted by you. Could you please communicate to me what specific copy was deemed too promotional, as compared to a business description utilizing information available publicly through data-based sources or reputable publications? I would be happy to provide (or request) a reformatted article based on the suggestions, along with removal of any sources deemed biased. Thank you. Fitnesschmedia (talk) 19:05, 10 May 2017 (UTC)
 * Sure. Looking at the article as it was written before deletion, the bulk of the article was a recapitulation of what the store sells and the services provided (the "room planner", for example). Additionally, the external links provided from The News Leader, Travel Weekly and She Knows Media were almost entirely promotional material ("360 Fitness Superstore has to be the first choice" etc), as well as the first two of those being very similar in their content. There's a secondary issue in that the article didn't necessarily demonstrate the notability of the business. While the fact that it's "one of the oldest" family-run businesses - in that field and geographical area, I assume from the wording - that doesn't really get it over the bar. The fact that the business has a number of notable clients is a good start, but notability isn't "inherited" (just because Bank of America is notable, anyone supplying products to the bank isn't automatically so, in other words). In this regard, I'm also going to point to the fact that the sources provided tended just to mention the business in passing (the Huffington Post article is a good example here) when they weren't just reading like press releases, which tends to count against notability as well. Hopefully this helps, but I'm happy to discuss further if need be. BigHaz - Schreit mich an 00:48, 11 May 2017 (UTC)

Bertinchamps Brewery
Hi there !

It recently came to my knowledge that you had deleted my translation of a French article about the Bertinchamps Brewery. First of all, as it was part of a school project, I would like to get the content back. Could you please leave it in my talk page? Secondly, I have to admit that I do not fully understand why you had to delete it, and it's all the more confusing as the French page still exists. It was only the description and history of a brewery that does exist in Belgium. Could you please tell me your reasons?

Thank you!

Kind regards,

Justine-SL — Preceding unsigned comment added by Justine-SL (talk • contribs) 10:13, 14 May 2017 (UTC)
 * I can certainly put the last version of it into your Sandbox. Give me about 10-15 minutes after I've written this response here, and it'll be all yours. To respond to your questions about why it was deleted:


 * The existence or lack thereof of a French-language article doesn't enter into consideration. Just as there being other articles about small breweries (or not) on this Wikipedia, it doesn't speak to the merits of this particular article.
 * Looking at what I take to be the French article (I have sub-tourist-level French, so I can't speak to the content itself), there's not an awful lot in the way of sourcing or references there either. I see a link to the brewery's official page and what appears to be an inline reference to a blog. I suspect, with my earlier caveat about my language skills, that an article along these lines in the English Wikipedia would be at some level of risk.
 * Now, to the article itself. The "speedy deletion" tag placed on it said that the article did not "credibly indicate the importance or significance of the subject". When I see an article tagged like this, I ask myself "What is important or could be important about this subject?" In terms of a Belgian brewery, my answers were "It could be very old, very large, have won awards, use an unusual brewing process, or something else." None of these were the case in this article. Remember, it's not just a case of "does the brewery exist?" I'm sure it does.
 * The "History" section made the point that the brewery had only been going since 2013 - while that's still 4 years, and therefore a good start, there are plenty of businesses which are around that age and that by itself doesn't determine significance or importance (particularly when we remember that Belgian breweries are often a couple of centuries old).
 * Also in the "History" section, there was the point that the farm which the family had bought was quite old. This is promising, but didn't really link to the significance of the brewery itself (depending on what sources there are out there, an article on a very old Belgian farm could advance claims of significance). It sounds harsh, but if I start a business and rent an office in an old building, for example, it doesn't mean that my business is significant, just that the old building is possibly significant.
 * The "History" section made reference to the capacity of the brewery. Without any context, there's no way of knowing if those numbers are especially large or significant in any regard. The same is true for the master brewer - was his previous employment of significance beyond the fact that he was a brewer at a place? Remember, again, that even if he was significant, the brewery he runs may not necessarily be.
 * The article makes mention that the beers have a protected-origin kind of label. Again, while that's a good thing (I'm partial to a good Belgian beer, just quietly), it doesn't speak to significance. It just says that the beers are brewed in a certain way.
 * Lastly, there's an unsourced claim saying that the bottles of beer are of an "uncommon capacity". While that's theoretically a claim of significance, it's really scraping the bottom of the barrel, to be brutally honest. The fact that bottles of a given capacity is used really doesn't say "this is therefore a significant brewery".
 * Additionally, I can see that there are similar problems with the sourcing in the English article to those in the French one. Even if there were to be a "credible claim of importance or significance", there'd be every chance that the article would be deleted in another way (WP:AfD|this one, specifically]]), had it not been tagged the way it was.
 * I always suggest that users read up on Wikipedia's concept of "notability", as well as the suggestions for writing your first article in situations like these. I'm happy to help if those guidelines are confusing in any way - just leave a note here, or start another section if the question doesn't relate to this article. Likewise, if you have any questions about what I've said here, just reply and I'll help out as best I can. BigHaz - Schreit mich an 10:51, 14 May 2017 (UTC)

Leta Sobierajski is back
In the process of nominating Leta Sobierajski for a Speedy a7 I discovered that you actually already deleted this page after its previous a7 nomination. It appears that page creator recreated the page within 24 hours of its deletion. nerdgoonrant (talk) 14:35, 29 May 2017 (UTC)
 * That does happen, and more often than I'd like to think it does. I can see you've tagged it now, so assuming it still qualifies for an A7 deletion (I'm not in a position to review it right away, but others are bound to), I suspect it will be deleted again reasonably soon. BigHaz - Schreit mich an 22:21, 29 May 2017 (UTC)

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Speedy deletion declined: Néstor Ick
Hello BigHaz. I am just letting you know that I declined the speedy deletion of Néstor Ick, a page you tagged for speedy deletion, because of the following concern: Subject might be important/significant (see also Google News/Books hits for this subject) / use WP:PROD or WP:AFD instead to allow other editors to participate in this decision. Thank you.  So Why  12:16, 9 June 2017 (UTC)
 * No worries. Thanks for letting me know. I'll review the situation and see if there's a better way forward. BigHaz - Schreit mich an 06:23, 10 June 2017 (UTC)

Open access
Hello can you please get into the open access project instead of marking for deletion I think you help could be really important for the project Best Filippo Morsiani (talk) 16:43, 9 June 2017 (UTC)
 * I've not joined a project in several years, generally because I don't consider myself enough of a "specialist" in any of the areas I've seen projects in to be of any real assistance. Open access is most definitely one of those such areas - I have a general understanding of what it is, but nowhere near enough of a one to be of anything like the level of assistance I would wish to be in joining a project. That being said, regardless of whether I'd be part of the project or not, I'd still be duty-bound to mark the pages for deletion where they are. No objection to the generation of content by any means, but "drive-by" articles like this (without links or sources, full of typos and a dramatic excess of technical verbiage at the expense of the tone articles are normally written in) are precisely the kind of thing new page patrolling and the deletion process are designed to catch. BigHaz - Schreit mich an 06:30, 10 June 2017 (UTC)

Hello again BigHaz, It seams that many of your mark for deletion comes with a very similar not saying "Unreferenced article indicating that there is practically no open access in Bahrain. Therefore, a non-notable subject" what does it means precisely? 1 the articles are not un referenced at all, please take the time to scroll down to check... 2 the fact that there is little or no open access movement in a specific country is already of interest. As I was saying before please leave these articles alone while myself and the open access folk will edit and improve them, those articles are the skeleton of what the articles will become, this is the project page were you can have a better understanding on the subject. please read this page https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_United_Nations/Open_Access_Descriptions Filippo Morsiani (talk) 12:49, 15 June 2017 (UTC)thank you
 * I've responded on your Talk page as well (I missed the notification for this somehow), but for clarity's sake, I'll respond here as well. "Unreferenced" means precisely what it says on the tin. There are no inline citations, and a template making a vague claim that the article incorporates text from another source. Great as far as it goes, but you've been advised by at least one other experienced editor (as well as me) that inline citations are required. Therefore, there's no sourcing.
 * With regards to the notability of the subject, that's the point. If the most that can be said about open access in (to take your example) Bahrain is "there really isn't any open access in Bahrain", there really isn't any desperate need to have a separate article on it, and one on San Marino, one on Monaco, one on X, one on Y and so on and so forth. Frankly, that's even more the case when the article takes several hundred words to say that, which many of these do. To take an example from popular culture, when there are articles on television series, there also tend to be articles on the major characters in those series (the Simpson family all have their own articles, as well as there being one for the show they star in). Less significant characters where the most that can be said about them is "XYZ is in these episodes and has red hair" don't get their own articles, but they instead turn up in an article about "Characters on The Simpsons".
 * If an article is created in mainspace, it needs to pass certain checks, and the notability of the subject is one of them. If it doesn't pass those checks, then deletion is a very common outcome. If the plan is to have the "skeletons" of the articles expanded, perhaps it would be best to create them as Drafts. That way, you or others can expand them when you get the chance and then move them into the main body of the encyclopedia when they're ready (when another editor will look them over and make that call as well). Simply copying and pasting a mass of words from another location and leaving them there (I note those articles have been in existence for over a month and were largely untouched apart from very minor fixes from other users in that time) is never a method of ensuring the long-term survival of an article. BigHaz - Schreit mich an 00:10, 16 June 2017 (UTC)

Hi BigHaz, I understand your concern regarding the relevance of articles. We tried to ignite interest, by creating and disseminating articles on countries were open access unfortunately is not a thing yet, more than describing the policies and organization that exist. Anyway can't really say thank you for deleting them but I understand were you are coming from. Filippo Morsiani (talk) 09:42, 20 June 2017 (UTC)
 * I think therein lies another important point. Wikipedia's not a platform for "igniting interest" or getting campaigns going, so much as it is an encyclopedia that can contain articles talking about campaigns which have already got going. Once open access becomes a thing in (say) Syria or Tajikistan or anywhere it isn't yet, there's no problem recreating the article. BigHaz - Schreit mich an 23:31, 20 June 2017 (UTC)

El Chapo act
Hey buddy thanks for reviewing my article but you forgot to remove the template. THE DIAZ talk • contribs 02:07, 12 June 2017 (UTC)
 * Good point, so I did. All good now, though. BigHaz - Schreit mich an 02:09, 12 June 2017 (UTC)

Lady Red Couture
In reference to Lady Red...I commented all over the place and do not know how else to defend it. All of the RuPaul queens have pages And the person has IMDB and https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jonny_McGovern has an entry. I do not get why the editors always are picking on me and things I enter. I was told that if it was someone else, things would be fine. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Photolarry (talk • contribs) 01:10, 13 June 2017 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the spelling of McGovern's name. That explains why I couldn't find him. To address the points you've raised: All the RuPaul queens have pages. They may do, but it's very possible that all of the others have more coverage than Lady Red Couture does. Looking at her article, for example, there's presently no information even linking her to RuPaul, which suggests that she may be less notable than the others you've mentioned. I couldn't pretend to be sure without looking at all of the articles in question, and I don't intend to do that right now. The person has IMDB. Not bad, but IMDB simply proves that she exists (remember, the fact that you and I exist doesn't mean we get Wikipedia articles). Additionally, IMDB can be edited by practically anybody, so it's not usually taken as being a particularly reliable source (the same goes for Wikipedia sourcing itself - you'd be amazed how many hoaxes or wildly inaccurate claims show up here every now and again). McGovern has an entry. As discussed earlier, the fact that X has an entry and Y doesn't isn't a reason to create an entry on Y (or an argument for Y's entry staying). Looking very briefly at McGovern's entry, I can see 6 references - one admittedly to YouTube, but still 5 others - as well as immense amounts of detail on things he's done. Without picking everything there apart, it may simply be that he's more notable than Lady Red Couture is. I do not get why the editors always are picking on me and things I enter. I can't speak for anyone else, but I know I'm not picking on you - until I tagged that article, I'm pretty sure we'd never interacted before (so we're clearly getting off on the wrong foot...). The way Wikipedia works is that anyone who writes an article makes their writing available to be edited, critiqued and so on by everyone else. I've had it done to me, and so's everyone else. I can see there've been a number of articles you wrote which have been deleted or at least considered for deletion - so it's probably worthwhile to look at those policies I linked you to earlier and see if you're able to create articles in line with them. There's even the ability to create articles as Drafts (which I can see you have done before) so that other users can look at them before they even "become articles". This may be less confrontational as a process, potentially. I was told that if it was someone else, things would be fine.. I can give this a definite "maybe". "Things would be fine" if the article were on a notable subject, written from a neutral point of view and supported with reliable sources. There are articles I'd love to write, but I don't know if I'd be able to get the required depth of sources, so doing so is a bit of a risky business. The same applies here, I think. Lastly, when you're commenting on Talk pages and so on, could you "sign" your posts? Just type the tilde character (~) four times. It's also probably a good idea to create a new section when you're commenting about something new on someone's Talk page, just makes it easier to see what's going on. BigHaz - Schreit mich an 01:27, 13 June 2017 (UTC)

No you are wrong. IMDB is much more critical than Wikipedia. I can create a page but the likelihood of it staying live is low because they are more strict about creation of entries than Wikipedia is. And they fact check more. I do not know what else to say. I have given as much information as I can to defend this article. I even mentioned her partner on the show. And If you want a reference from RuPaul, message her/him. Also just google Lady Red if you want more info. I think there is plenty out there. I am not a professional editor. I live in LA and know many famous people. One of which is Lady Red and I saw she had no entry. So I created it. I was shocked that McGovern had it but she did not. They are on the same show and she is even mentioned in his article. I give up. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Photolarry (talk • contribs) 01:43, 13 June 2017 (UTC)
 * I'm not here to get into an argument about the merits or lack thereof about IMDB. My comments in that regard were based on the community consensus here, rather than any personal opinion. As far as there being more information out there is concerned, I'll admit that I've not found any, but if there is, you're entirely free to add it (with sources, of course). If that extra information confirms the notability of this particular person, then I'll happily withdraw the deletion nomination. That sort of thing happens pretty frequently. I know it can be annoying to have put a lot of work into an article only for someone to turn up and say "I don't think this is going to stay here" - it happened to me years ago too, and it frustrated me a lot, but I learned from it and read up on the policies and guidelines here and went from there. If you've added as many sources as there are into the article, then that does perhaps suggest that the subject isn't sufficiently notable as yet to merit an article - she may qualify down the line, of course, but just not yet. Lastly, I'm not sure why you keep making the point that you're not a "professional editor". I'm not either. With the exception of any editors here who in fact edit books for a living (and there are some), nobody here is "professional" at this - we're all volunteers, just like you. BigHaz - Schreit mich an 07:36, 13 June 2017 (UTC)

New section again
(Powerfulideas (talk) 04:32, 15 June 2017 (UTC)Thank you

Articles for deletion/John Crumbley
I removed the PROD you placed because somehow it had been recreated after the original PROD without my noticing it. It is now at the AfD above. TonyBallioni (talk) 05:04, 15 June 2017 (UTC)
 * How odd. I've been using the "Twinkle" extension for PRODs and it's normally seemed to catch those instances before. Wonder why not here. Oh well. BigHaz - Schreit mich an 05:09, 15 June 2017 (UTC)

Deprodding of List of retired numbers in sports
I have removed the tag from List of retired numbers in sports, which you proposed for deletion. There are valid concerns but I don't think it's an immediate Delete, for reasons given in Talk:List of retired numbers in sports. If you still think this article should be deleted, please do not add back to the file. Instead, feel free to list it at Articles for deletion. Thanks! Certes (talk) 11:37, 15 June 2017 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the heads-up. I'll have a look at the reasons cited and see where we go. BigHaz - Schreit mich an 11:47, 15 June 2017 (UTC)

Independent Engineer: Proposed for Deletion
BigHaz, thanks for taking the time to review my first article. While I understand your concern for a lack of citations, references are not readily available. Independent Engineer is a word of art and most people, who are not in the project finance world, do not know what an Independent Engineer is or what they do. The primary reason for me writing this article was that because Owner's Engineer incorrectly stated that an Owner's Engineer and an Independent Engineer are the same thing. That is like saying Cricket and Baseball are the same thing. The other issue is that an Independent Engineer is different than an independent engineer. An Independent Engineer is a proper noun for a specific type of engineering, and an independent engineer is an engineer who is on their own. So, I removed your proposed deletion, BUT I understand your concerns. Any suggestions on improving the article would be appreciated, but if you feel strongly about deleting Independent Engineer, then Owner's Engineer should be reviewed as well. Thanks. T Markell (talk) 20:38, 15 June 2017 (UTC)
 * Regarding the "if you want to delete X, please delete Y" argument, please read WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS. Each article needs to stand or fall on its own merits, rather than those of any other article. Regarding the article itself, I appreciate the points you've raised, and would make a couple of minor suggestions (not being any kind of engineer myself, I'm not going to presume to edit the article as I suspect I'd introduce errors rather than anything else. Firstly, if the article on "Owner's Engineer" (which I note is similarly unreferenced) suggests that the two concepts are the same, it may be a simple case of editing that article to explain the distinction between the two, rather than writing an entire article at present. Obviously if the distinction is as strong as "they do completely different things", then the second article is a better option, much like your cricket v baseball example. Secondly, both articles are unreferenced at present. The net result is that to a non-specialist such as me, there's no way of knowing whether this is absolutely true or just your opinion (until you made the comment you did, of course!). So there's a risk that someone else might have a look at the article you wrote and form much the same conclusion as I did. Again, not being a specialist, I really wouldn't know where to start looking for sources explaining the duties of either position, but adding references to at least the Independent Engineer article, if not both, isn't a bad move. BigHaz - Schreit mich an 23:08, 15 June 2017 (UTC)

New section a user opted not to create
Why you delete my page ? Jume deen khan — Preceding unsigned comment added by Hamzaali557 (talk • contribs)
 * Before I respond, please note two things. Firstly, the appropriate place for a new question is the bottom of the Talk page. There's even a convenient tab reading "New Section" you can click on to open a new section and leave a message. Secondly, please sign your posts on Talk pages. Just type four of the "tilde" (~) character. Now, to answer your question, I've deleted the "Jume deen khan" page twice. The second was because the article consisted of the question "Why you are deleting my this page?", which isn't appropriate article content. The first time I deleted the page was because it had been tagged as being about a person, but not indicating this person's notability, or even any claim to significance, as the message on your Talk page indicated when the article was tagged that way. The article described him as "one of the top famous hindi bloggers", but that doesn't really mean anything, to be honest. Has he won or been nominated for an award? Has he achieved something significant in his career? If so, you would need to indicate this in the article. You would also need to support that with reliable sources, because there would still be a risk that the article would be deleted. BigHaz - Schreit mich an 09:28, 16 June 2017 (UTC)

Question about a recently deleted article
Hello BigHaz

We created an article yesterday for Bit Source. Can you give me more information on why the article was removed and how I can make it non-promotional? We've had a lot of national attention because of our mission - which is to train ex-coal industry professionals to do software development. We are poised in the middle of this transition between an industrial and technological age and we are pioneering the transition of the workforce. That's what I wanted to highlight with the article - but I also wanted to include enough references to validate the legitimacy of the article. Any help you can give me would be greatly appreciated. There are also some other organizations that are pioneering this transition as well as partner organizations facilitating the change - would including them in a history section be more informative?

Thanks for your help! Also, if you are an admin is there any way you could send me a copy of the article I wrote?

Thanks

- Payton — Preceding unsigned comment added by Paytonmay (talk • contribs) 12:56, 16 June 2017 (UTC) ~ — Preceding unsigned comment added by Paytonmay (talk • contribs) 14:28, 16 June 2017 (UTC)
 * I'd be happy to at least address the first part of your question. A couple of things before I do, though. The first is that it's always best practice to sign your posts on Talk pages (just type the tilde character 4 times). The second is that if you're after information like this, it's always important to provide the full page title - that was presumably the only page deleted yesterday which you had a connection to, but it was far from the only one I deleted, and without seeing the link to the deleted page on your Talk page, I would have been working blind trying to bring up the history.
 * By and large, the "promotionality" of the article was based on its tone. The "Inception" section was entirely unencyclopedic in tone, and the "Awards" section read as a press release or advertising copy as well. The "Recognition" section was slightly better, but simply contained a list of times that the company had been mentioned in the media (and in one case, seems to have lifted a goodly portion of its text from that news mention as well). Even the opening - where the company is described as "locally owned" - was a red flag. "Locally owned" is precisely the kind of material you expect to find in advertising, but which is completely meaningless when you're writing an article for an online encyclopedia which could be read by practically anyone anywhere.
 * Including other businesses may help, but ultimately this really is the kind of thing to start all over again. Have a look at other articles written about businesses here - both big and small. You'll see that the ones without tags or issues have what can probably be called a tone of "Just the facts, ma'am". To harp on about "locally owned" again, they actually specify where they're based. They don't tell heartwarming stories about the founders having a chat in the car, and if they do refer back to press releases, they don't just plonk them into the article.
 * As far as sending you a copy of the article, it really doesn't seem like a good idea at this stage. This isn't an exercise in just needing to add some extra references and move some paragraphs around. It's a case of starting from scratch again. I know that can be frustrating, but that's how it is.
 * Lastly, you mention that "we" created the article. You may not be aware of it, but Wikipedia has a pretty strict policy on usernames and use of accounts by more than one user. I would strongly urge you to review those policies if there are indeed multiple contributors using this account and adjust your use accordingly. BigHaz - Schreit mich an 00:14, 17 June 2017 (UTC)

Tomato sauce (condiment)
Thanks for approving the speedy delete. It is possible to retrieve the content on the talk page though, in the hopes of avoiding another cycle of the page creation? I am also going to make it a redirect to ketchup. Cheers! Savvyjack23 (talk) 19:31, 16 June 2017 (UTC)
 * It is. I can put that (with "nowiki" tags around it) into your userspace in about half an hour or so, so keep an eye out. I note that there's also already an article on tomato sauce without the bracketed "condiment" as it stands, too. BigHaz - Schreit mich an 23:55, 16 June 2017 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

 * Thanks for the barnstar. Very kind of you. As far as the page goes, I won't be deleting it myself, and that decision will come down to what the consensus is in the AfD discussion. They normally last for a week or so, those discussions. You're welcome to - if you haven't already - put your "side of the story" in that discussion, and it will be considered as much as anyone else's. Regarding both of those pages, if they're not yet done and still in need of a lot of work, there's always the option of creating them as "Drafts". That way, you can work on them on your own schedule, without anyone else nominating them for deletion. If you haven't worked on a draft in 6 months, then it can be deleted, but I doubt that would be an issue for you. Once you feel you've got them to a good standard, you then get another editor (not me, I don't do that particular task) to review it and see if it can be moved into the main body of the encyclopedia. I mention this particularly because of the mention you made of an NHL expansion article. I don't follow hockey at all (although perhaps one day I'll get my head around it), but I do understand there's just been some expansion in that league, so there's a chance that an article on "potential expansion" there would be even more speculation than the NFL one currently is, if that makes sense. BigHaz - Schreit mich an 22:57, 17 June 2017 (UTC)

New Film Article Page Reviews.
Hey, thanks for reviewing the film articles I created. I hope I did sufficient sourcing work, particularly in a few instances where my sources were limited. I was wondering if you'd be so kind as to review my other 2 unreviewed pages. (How does that work, out of curiosity? If you review and approve, nothing changes. Otherwise, if you disapprove, do you inform me that I need to improve it? Or just leave word on the page itself or its talk page?)

I'd like you to examine A Woman, a Part. IMO, out of the 6 I've created thus far, it's my best work. I did my best to add the mixture of opinions in the Critics' Response section. The only section I didn't include was plot. I'm waiting to actually watch the film first before I compose that section, so as to avoid spoiling it for myself. ;) Otherwise, I feel the most confident about this one. Perhaps one of these days, I'll earn some barnstars or something. I haven't netted one of those since my days monitoring shows such as Top Chef.

The last page is Letters from Baghdad. Not ashamed to admit this is probably my weakest effort. It's a documentary, so there's less coverage right now. But I gathered as much as I could to prepare a bare-bones stub page. Hopefully that groundwork was adequate enough, but that's why I wanted you to check it out and determine if it's acceptable enough as a stub or requires some more work to be, er, up to code I suppose.

If you could take a look at those pages when you have some free time and review them, I'd appreciate it greatly. :D Thanks so much, and keep up the good work. I'm happy to be finally making more valuable contributions as opposed to just the occasional factual or grammatical edits in sporadic doses. I'll most likely be involved in film, awards, and cast/crew of said films, but in time broaden my efforts to American Idol and beyond. Take care, and let me know.--Cinemaniac86Dane_Cook_Hater_Extraordinaire 10:32, 18 June 2017 (UTC)
 * The reviewing I do is literally a case of starting at the back of the "unpatrolled" list of recently-created pages (which is alarmingly large, but that's possibly a good thing as it shows that everyone's busily creating pages) and moving forwards - catching whatever was there - until I start to reach "saturation point". So while I'd love to say "I'll review this for you", I really don't want to make that guarantee as I want to make sure I give everything I come to the benefit of fresh eyes. As far as my methods are concerned (others may have their own), I use the tagging process to flag any issues - if sources are missing or whatever, I'll flag that, if there are typos I'll jump in and fix those - then move onto the next article. So you're right that nothing (major, at least) changes when I review an article, beyond the odd tag here or there. BigHaz - Schreit mich an 22:56, 18 June 2017 (UTC)

I don't think that you've ever got thanked for a routine administrative chore...
I doubt that you've ever gotten thanked for a routine administrative chore such as your speedy deletion of Rindler coordinates/Draft. But the effort of guys like you doing all of this essential legwork really are essential for the Wikipedia project to be successful. So thanks! I appreciate it! Stigmatella aurantiaca (talk) 07:10, 19 June 2017 (UTC)
 * I think I was back in my sort of "first life" thanked for similar elbow-grease work, but it's been a while between drinks, so much appreciated likewise. Glad you were happy with the deletion, too, as I'd thought afterwards that perhaps simply moving it into draft-space would have been the better move, but we'll do it as we did. BigHaz - Schreit mich an 07:20, 19 June 2017 (UTC)


 * User:VQuakr already had me re-create the version in draft space. User:D.H added many new revisions to Rindler coordinates which User:JRSpriggs reverted. I see a lot of good stuff in D.H's additions, and appreciate the points that JRSpriggs raised. I thought a Draft version would be good for D.H to work on his additions until they are up to snuff. I've worked with D.H on various occasions in the past and know him to be very knowledgeable, but occasionally needing help to express himself properly in the English language.
 * Stigmatella aurantiaca (talk) 07:28, 19 June 2017 (UTC)
 * Sounds like the matter is well in hand. Very useful, since I can't even begin to claim any knowledge about the topic! BigHaz - Schreit mich an 07:31, 19 June 2017 (UTC)

Thank you and Question regarding your review of R.W. Allard
Hello, Thank you for your review of R.W. Allard. I would like to edit the "R.W. Allard" title, but I do not know how to alter the title of the page. Can you Advise? I want it changed to "Robert W. Allard (Geneticist)". Thanking you in advance. Steven C. Price 13:29, 19 June 2017 (UTC)
 * You're right that altering the title of the page is more challenging, as it actually requires the ability to move it (as against just editing), which Admins can do and some experienced non-Admins can too. I was wondering about moving it myself, to be honest, but left it as was because I didn't know if he's usually referred to by the initials. Usually, we wouldn't have him with the bracketed "Geneticist" in the page title unless there were two or more Robert W. Allards, and there don't seem to be. So I've moved him to Robert W. Allard for now, and he can be moved to something more specific if there's another person with the same name later on. BigHaz - Schreit mich an 23:24, 19 June 2017 (UTC)
 * Thank You!Steven C. Price 19:39, 20 June 2017 (UTC)