User talk:Martinevans123/Archive 10

2016

 * Robert Plant thanks you for your kind gift, and hopes 2016 is a real joy! Martinevans123 (talk) 18:53, 31 December 2015 (UTC)

Happy New Year Martinevans123!


Happy New Year! Martinevans123, Have a prosperous, productive and enjoyable New Year, and thanks for your contributions to Wikipedia. BlAcKhAt9(9 (talk) 16:39, 31 December 2015 (UTC)

Send New Year cheer by adding {{subst:Happy New Year 2016}} to user talk pages.
 * Many thanks. I guessed our paths must have crossed (?) I just didn't realise there were so many of you. Martinevans123 (talk) 22:40, 31 December 2015 (UTC)

White Bird link
You are questioning the link at. I've looked at it twice today since it has been in question. Possibly I am able to view it so easily because I am registered at this site. If I am, it certainly didn't cost anything or take much to register because I don't do paid memberships for wikipedia sourcing. I am guessing it is a cookie stored somewhere in my browser. Now to your request to fill out wiki source format. I explain in my user page, I resist doing that. Its an awkward, time consuming process, but more particularly, it serves no purpose. You ask "What?" but that is not solved with the format. What we want here is verifiability. I provided that with the source, albeit a weak message board link in this case. It is there for you and anyone else to read (as I said, perhaps requiring you to do a free registration). Filling out the wikiformat does not make it any more or less verifiable. It doesn't capture or repeat the text. It does nothing. You are welcome to run reflinks if you think it is necessary. Trackinfo (talk) 22:25, 31 December 2015 (UTC)
 * Hi Trackinfo, thanks for your note. Filling out the wikiformat allows other editors, like me, to know that "registration is required". The first thing I did was to run reflinks. But of course it can't parse the page without the prior registration. I'm not sure you're aware how baffling the page looks if you're not registered - in fact, have you ever seen it? I've also looked for a better (and non-registration-required) source, since message boards are not generally considered to be WP:RS. But I can't find one. I have no problem with removing the "What", as it was added to prompt this discussion - although it might have been better to have had it at the article Talk Page. Thanks. Martinevans123 (talk) 22:36, 31 December 2015 (UTC)

Happy New Year!

 * Thank you, so much, Mr Jones. They look almost as alluring as the lovely Wilson, Keppel and Betty. Yes, they do "Long to Be (Close to Me)" ... but, fortunately, there is currently a 200 nautical miles Maritime Exclusion Zone. Martinevans123 (talk) 23:48, 31 December 2015 (UTC)
 * Miss Jones. (talk) 23:51, 31 December 2015 (UTC)
 * I'm saying nothing. Martinevans123 (talk) 23:55, 31 December 2015 (UTC)
 * Thank you Mr Jones. (talk) 23:51, 31 December 2015 (UTC)

Happy New Year, Martinevans123!


Happy New Year! Martinevans123, Have a prosperous, productive and enjoyable New Year, and thanks for your contributions to Wikipedia. – Davey 2010 Merry Xmas / Happy New Year 10:46, 1 January 2016 (UTC)


 * Send New Year cheer by adding {{subst:Happy New Year fireworks}} to user talk pages.


 * Many thanks, Davey. And the same to you with brass knobs on. Martinevans123 (talk) 10:58, 1 January 2016 (UTC)
 * You're welcome Martin and thanks :), Have a great day :) – Davey 2010 Merry Xmas / Happy New Year 21:55, 1 January 2016 (UTC)

2016 - Yr wyf heintio bellach!
There was a real life incident like this (sort of) in 2008.-- ♦Ian Ma c M♦  (talk to me) 10:54, 1 January 2016 (UTC)
 * A classic that one. "Mor falch o weld eich bod wedi dal y clefyd y Gymraeg." Lucky we don't live in Delhi where you can "even drive odd cars" every other day: . Martinevans123 (talk) 11:04, 1 January 2016 (UTC)

Odd.
thumbnail. Hafspajen (talk) 22:39, 1 January 2016 (UTC)
 * You can't beat a good German muff, I always say. Martinevans123 (talk) 22:41, 1 January 2016 (UTC)
 * MARRTY!!!! Tghat woman gave me a schock. Don't do that again, please. Hafspajen (talk) 23:05, 1 January 2016 (UTC)
 * Why settle for Dykes on Bikes when you can have 4 poofs and a piano?? Martinevans123 (talk) 23:15, 1 January 2016 (UTC)

Happy New Year

 * Spread the WikiLove; use {{subst:Happy New Year elves}} to send this message
 * Many thanks! Help yourself to a slice of bread tree and some traditional Yuletide preserve. Martinevans123 (talk) 14:26, 2 January 2016 (UTC)

My New Year's day gift
My New Year's day gift to Martin123

— &#124; Gareth Griffith-Jones &#124; The Welsh Buzzard&#124; — 10:55, 2 January 2016 (UTC)


 * How exciting, and vaguely threatening. What an intriguing work group.... do you get to dress up like Kurt Wallander? Martinevans123 (talk) 14:21, 2 January 2016 (UTC)

Precious anniversary
--Gerda Arendt (talk) 09:04, 3 January 2016 (UTC)
 * Many thanks Gerda. Wow, three years already?? I've ordered some photos of this big event and hopefully some day my prints will come: Martinevans123 (talk) 10:42, 3 January 2016 (UTC)
 * Especially for both of you . — &#124; Gareth Griffith-Jones &#124; The Welsh Buzzard&#124; — 11:03, 3 January 2016 (UTC)
 * Thanks, Gareth, a wonderful version. The true classic line-up there. Long been a favourite. Martinevans123 (talk) 13:49, 3 January 2016 (UTC)
 * Congratulations on your rarer naive pussy icon. Brave Son 123 (talk) 14:33, 3 January 2016 (UTC)
 * Please tell me you used a computer to come up with that. That there might be human minds capable of devising something like that is too awful to contemplate. EEng (talk) 15:49, 3 January 2016 (UTC) Even worse if it was a non-human mind.
 * Even worse - a combination of computer and human mind linked by a neural lace... Robevans123 (talk) 16:22, 3 January 2016 (UTC)
 * "A Purveyance Rosin Sir"?? Nirvana Stem 123 (talk) 14:42, 3 January 2016 (UTC)
 * Ditto. EEng (talk) 15:49, 3 January 2016 (UTC)

Am saying nothing. Satan Vermin 321 (talk) 16:27, 3 January 2016 (UTC)
 * Very wise. 321 Bona Revs (talk) 17:19, 3 January 2016 (UTC)
 * Quite. Doctor Tom Tonic .... Woman Hitler? (6-2-3)

Bellingcat
Not encyclopaedic? Are you aware of what the Greek words that are the source of the word mean? en kuklos  paideuein, to educate in the round, something like that. Eliot has been consulted by the investigators, but not good enough for 'martin evans123'. ugh. ugh ugh. little things please little minds, enjoy your revert power 'martinevans123'.92.3.17.204 (talk) 00:05, 4 January 2016 (UTC)
 * And cats have round bellies, and bells are round, so it's logical. EEng (talk) 02:25, 4 January 2016 (UTC)
 * what?92.3.14.113 (talk) 12:05, 4 January 2016 (UTC)
 * "ugh. ugh ugh". Martinevans123 (talk) 12:13, 4 January 2016 (UTC) ... and thanks so much for the "educate in the round" edit summary.

not encyclopaedic? the wikipedia is meant to spread information, no?
bellingcat guardian report
 * I reverted your edit here. The link you added was this. It doesn't work. Thanks. Martinevans123 (talk) 13:03, 4 January 2016 (UTC)

Invitation to a virtual editathon on Women in Music

 * Thank you for your very kind invitation. I trust this doesn't involve Chris de Burgh. Martinevans123 (talk) 19:30, 5 January 2016 (UTC)

Hong Kong phooey
Happy New Year, Martin. I see that standards are slipping: at least one British bookseller is clearly not familiar with the works of either H. Rider Haggard or John Mortimer or he’d know all about She who must be obeyed! JezGrove (talk) 23:02, 5 January 2016 (UTC)
 * "Groan" ... But great to see you are already thinking about my prize for the worse pun of 2016! Martinevans123 (talk) 08:49, 6 January 2016 (UTC)


 * Yes, by all means Gung Hay Fat Choy! Although frankly we are overhitting the mark by 34 days. Softlavender (talk) 09:28, 6 January 2016 (UTC)


 * I see that according to WP, "Punning has been credited as the fundamental concept behind alphabets, writing, and even human civilization"! (Just as well I wasn’t there with my terrible ones back in the day, then….) WP also claims that "Chinese is a tonal language with a comparatively small inventory of permitted syllables, resulting in an exceptionally large number of homophone words", so it's a shame that the noble pun is shunned in China – and they certainly take their aversion  to extremes! JezGrove (talk) 12:15, 6 January 2016 (UTC)


 * Not as disturbing as neon tetra-phobia, of course. Get those Fins away from me!! Martinevans123 (talk) 12:26, 6 January 2016 (UTC)


 * And I'd watch out for the mythical French-Croatian Squid n'all. --Hillbillyholiday talk 13:20, 6 January 2016 (UTC)


 * One of Heston's specialities, allegedly. Martinevans123 (talk) 13:25, 6 January 2016 (UTC)


 * "Sheesh!" Martinevans123 (talk) 13:31, 6 January 2016 (UTC)
 * That's just totally freaky! Loved the mythical creatures - and the fact that the Chinese government censored the word 'censorship'. JezGrove (talk) 16:40, 6 January 2016 (UTC)
 * I guess they have a giant "RevDel machine" hidden somewhere in Beijing? Martinevans123 (talk) 16:47, 6 January 2016 (UTC)
 * No, just lots of interns using nets to catch the river crabs. (Don't you wish I hadn't just said that...) JezGrove (talk) 16:52, 6 January 2016 (UTC)
 * Blimey! We're trending! JezGrove (talk) 16:57, 6 January 2016 (UTC)
 * Ah yes, now those crabs aren't Heston's, are they. I think they're Hugh's - he's far more trendy. Martinevans123 (talk) 16:59, 6 January 2016 (UTC)
 * Beware of eating anything that looks TOO good, though! JezGrove (talk) 17:14, 6 January 2016 (UTC)
 * Ah yes, my favourite ... Ken's mashed potato and tampon dim sum (old friend). Martinevans123 (talk) 18:53, 6 January 2016 (UTC)
 * Weigh two mutch deetale in that video. Lying runny soup [sic]. Robevans123 (talk) 19:15, 6 January 2016 (UTC)

Lost in translation?
. Martinevans123 (talk) 22:56, 8 January 2016 (UTC)
 * Appalling – let’s hope Google has more success translating morally bankrupt! JezGrove (talk) 23:08, 8 January 2016 (UTC)
 * Haha. Yes, nice one. I heard that on the radio and I must admit I laughed out loud. Almost worth the effort at DYK. Perhaps the Treasurer sent £15 joining Labour. Martinevans123 (talk) 23:16, 8 January 2016 (UTC)
 * Very good! And cracker jokes could be the right level for my puerile sense of humour - I wonder when the deadline is for the 2016 batch? JezGrove (talk) 23:29, 8 January 2016 (UTC)
 * Yes, quite. "What do Wikileaks staff have with their Christmas turkey? An anonymous sauce." Martinevans123 (talk) 23:35, 8 January 2016 (UTC)

Twmbarlwm
Hi there. Let us known when you're done on this. I've got a couple of sources to clear up the "citations needed". Reminds me to get on with Llanfrechfa - really should have an article. Diolch. Robevans123 (talk) 15:29, 9 January 2016 (UTC)
 * I'm done. There you go. Lol. Martinevans123 (talk) 15:31, 9 January 2016 (UTC) ... yes, we have an article for Llanfrechfa Grange Hospital, but for the village. Martinevans123 (talk) 15:33, 9 January 2016 (UTC)
 * Cheers. Ended up listening to an interesting programme on Radio 4 - From Mumbai to Machynlleth. I started a draft about the church a while ago. Must go and finish it off. Must also do an article on the parish as well as the village... Robevans123 (talk) 16:09, 9 January 2016 (UTC)
 * I listened. How amazing. I see that Tauseef Akhtar appears at Mere Baap Pehle Aap and at Tum Se Achcha Kaun Hai. This guy has performed at Monmouth. Martinevans123 (talk) 22:43, 9 January 2016 (UTC)

Anagrams
To Sam, Here In Towne Tavern:

A Winner Motto Tars Even He! Neonates Vow, Threaten Mr. I! Hart Tires Eman, One Vet Won. Signed, Team Won That Elk ! vitrify  20:08, 9 January 2016 (UTC)
 * Thank you, I shall treasure these. If only I knew what you meant. Martinevans123 (talk) 20:23, 9 January 2016 (UTC)
 * How strange! My personal favourite actual anagram is 'A man, a plan, a canal - Panama' for what it's worth (very little, as it happens...) JezGrove (talk) 20:13, 13 January 2016 (UTC)
 * No, no. no! You're talking about Palling-drones. Martinevans123 (talk) 20:20, 13 January 2016 (UTC)
 * An anagram of "a man, a plan, a canal - Panama" is "Pal, Mañana, A Manna Alpaca!" Unfortunately I'm not clever enough to make an anagram that's also a palindrome. Eman 235 / talk  20:29, 13 January 2016 (UTC)
 * Dur! I'll never live that one down - my apologies for wasting your eyeball power reading my ludicrous comment. Studios imp! JezGrove (talk) 20:35, 13 January 2016 (UTC)
 * Don't worry, we love our "mailed porn" here. Martinevans123 (talk) 20:38, 13 January 2016 (UTC) ....whatever next, Flowery Twats?
 * That's good to know - but try not to end up with a "damper loin". JezGrove (talk) 21:40, 13 January 2016 (UTC)
 * Or a "pale nimrod", or a "mean old rip", or even an "ample rod in", etc. etc. Martinevans123 (talk) 21:46, 13 January 2016 (UTC)
 * Ha ha! Wallaby Fits, the proud proprietor of Flowery Twats, sends his regards. JezGrove (talk) 21:58, 13 January 2016 (UTC)

Stewpot
You might want to take a look at WP:ITN/C. Mjroots (talk) 21:58, 9 January 2016 (UTC)
 * Thanks. But, as you will see, I have felt unable to contribute there since last September, for some reason. Martinevans123 (talk) 22:03, 9 January 2016 (UTC)

Editing a novel for me can be a hilarious experience
Like when I wrote "When Rudy was through talking to Crystal, he walked into the nearby elephant." The word I meant to write was elevator....William, is the complaint department really on the roof? 19:39, 10 January 2016 (UTC)
 * Haha. First version works for me too! "Never use a big word when a little filthy one will do." ― Johnny Carson. Martinevans123 (talk) 20:07, 10 January 2016 (UTC)

Copyright in gravestones
Hi Martinevans123. I thought it would be more appropriate to reply to your question "privately" rather than extend the discussion at AN/I.

When I nominated Malcolm X for FA, I was surprised when another editor expressed copyright concerns about File:Shabazz Gravesite.jpg, an image I had uploaded to Commons. See WP:Featured article candidates/Malcolm X, about two-thirds of the way down the page (under the heading "Significant image concerns") -- concerns I addressed by removing the image from the article.

The issue is whether the gravestone is just text or whether it's a "work of art" that incorporates creativity, so whether there is a copyright issue depends on the specific gravestone (as well as its age, of course). — MShabazz Talk/Stalk 23:32, 10 January 2016 (UTC)


 * Many thanks, MShabazz for taking the time to drop a note here. Yes, a very sensible choice. I hope 7&amp;6=thirteen will see it. It all sounds quite complicated and dependant on a qualitative judgement on what constitutes a "work of art". Martinevans123 (talk) 08:59, 11 January 2016 (UTC)

Merger discussion for James Last
An article that you have been involved in editing&mdash;James Last &mdash;has been proposed for merging with another article. If you are interested, please participate in the merger discussion. Thank you. Maestroso simplo (talk) 22:59, 11 January 2016 (UTC)
 * Ah nice one, Hansi. Had forgotten about this. It's lovely. Thanks for reminding me. Martinevans123 (talk) 23:07, 11 January 2016 (UTC)

The Enigma of Kaspar Hauser
Just a note to thank you for your work on this article, which deserves some good effort. I like your additions, which complement my own. Cheers, Easchiff (talk) 02:10, 12 January 2016 (UTC)
 * Many thanks. You're very welcome! Martinevans123 (talk) 09:00, 12 January 2016 (UTC)

thank you
for weighing in at Money (That's What I Want). Feel free to undo the last edit and add my comments about the British Invasion versions back, I have been warned that I will be blocked if I do it, though the admin who issued the warning seems to have backed off, agreeing that my edit is okay. However the chap that I had the initial disagreement with does not seem to be under the same constraint. Oh yes, I was slow getting here because I was waylaid by the quiz on your user page. it seemed to cover rather well everything that is going on at this article. And so it goes. Einar aka Carptrash (talk) 20:03, 13 January 2016 (UTC)
 * Hi Einar. I think what you put is quite right. But it might be over-ruled by WP:SONGCOVER, which is quite clear, isn't it? But no point editing until some kind of consensus has been agreed at the Talk Page there. Thanks. Martinevans123 (talk) 20:08, 13 January 2016 (UTC)

The Sun Ain't Gonna Shine (Anymore)
And there I was thinking Wet Wet Wet were Scottish… JezGrove (talk) 20:10, 15 January 2016 (UTC)


 * Crazy name, crazy place!!! Rain Man Vest 123 (talk) 20:13, 15 January 2016 (UTC)
 * Norman? Cardigan? I feel a 70s sitcom coming on! JezGrove (talk) 20:39, 15 January 2016 (UTC)
 * Mr Davies said: "We are hardy bunch here in Eglwyswrw, and it takes more than a few showers to grind us down, but it has been, all jokes aside, quite grinding." Avian Nets Mr 123 (talk) 20:42, 15 January 2016 (UTC).
 * At least the humour is dry. JezGrove (talk) 20:49, 15 January 2016 (UTC)
 * As if West Wales is full of pitifully gormless Welsh stereotypes. Martinevans123 (talk) 21:39, 15 January 2016 (UTC)
 * Of course, if you are going to get inundated, there are better ways of doing it. JezGrove (talk) 23:17, 15 January 2016 (UTC)
 * Yes, much better than a treacle sponge pudding disaster. Martinevans123 (talk) 23:32, 15 January 2016 (UTC)
 * Yikes! Talk about coming to a sticky end! JezGrove (talk) 23:39, 15 January 2016 (UTC)
 * Haha, could have been worse. Martinevans123 (talk) 23:42, 15 January 2016 (UTC)
 * Brilliant! Though a flood of Donald Trump jam would be worse!
 * Looks kinda familiar. Martinevans123 (talk) 23:54, 15 January 2016 (UTC)

David J Johnson: Talk page
Hello Martin, Many thanks for all your help regarding vandalism on my Talk page. Due to a few problems at home, I do not have all the time I would like on Wikipedia and your intervention is much appreciated. Best regards, David, David J Johnson (talk) 22:29, 19 January 2016 (UTC)
 * Just mindless trolling. No worries. Martinevans123 (talk) 22:37, 19 January 2016 (UTC) p.s. I was wondering if, like me, you have ever visited Malta?
 * I agree, it is just mindless trolling - although I think it should be stopped very soon. In answer to your question: no, have never visited DLR, Malta. Best David, David J Johnson (talk) 22:40, 19 January 2016 (UTC)
 * Malta is quite an interesting, if rather crowded, place. Martinevans123 (talk) 22:42, 19 January 2016 (UTC)

IP User
User talk:89.240.135.116 has cleared your warning off of the IP talk page. Just a heads up. Krj373 (talk) 22:33, 19 January 2016 (UTC)
 * Thanks. That's about the most intelligent thing it's done yet. But still trolling of course. An indef block is not far away. Martinevans123 (talk) 22:35, 19 January 2016 (UTC)
 * Anytime I see a IP talk page blanked. I take a look & never revert. I leave that up to who ever issued the warnings. I do like that people believe that making the warnings disappear helps their case. Krj373 (talk) 22:56, 19 January 2016 (UTC)
 * Not sure I like it. But it is rather amusing. Martinevans123 (talk) 23:09, 19 January 2016 (UTC)


 * Blocked 31 hours. --John (talk) 23:44, 19 January 2016 (UTC)

January 2016
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 * Come with me BracketBot, to my creepy underground doll's house bunker.... and then maybe you won't be so picky about errant unpaired brackets, you snivelling little gripe-monster. Man Rat Vines 123 (talk) 23:32, 20 January 2016 (UTC)


 * Quite frankly, BracketBot is so well known these days for their salacious behaviour, it's a wonder Operation Yewtree hasn't got hold of them. Meanwhile, the passing of Lemmy and Alan Rickman means that my fantasy Hawkwind line-up (you can just imagine Rickman reading the poetry extracts in Space Ritual can't you?) is never going to happen. Mind you, I picked Keith Moon on drums for that. Ritchie333 (talk) (cont)  17:02, 21 January 2016 (UTC)
 * Yes, indeed. Moony or possibly the Wild Man of Borneo on bongos? Martinevans123 (talk) 17:22, 21 January 2016 (UTC) ... and talking of Operation Yewtree, why not get some under-age boys in and ask Vladimir Putin to film it all??
 * If he lived in York, perhaps Val would need to give the local constabulary the expected period of notice?? Martinevans123 (talk) 21:06, 22 January 2016 (UTC)

We need an updated Intro & Outro that youngsters would be familiar with. Keeping with the original themes, we could have Richard Griffiths on guitar, the Ukulele Orchestra of Great Britain on triangle, Katie Hopkins on vibes, Bill Oddie on duck call, Joe Satriani on tin whistle, what a team, Jose Mourinho and Alex Ferguson on percussion, Saddam Hussein on weapons of mass destruction, and a big thanks from all of us here, Trevor McDonald on bongs. Ritchie333 (talk) (cont)  12:40, 24 January 2016 (UTC)
 * Haha, brilliant. I'm sure Billy would want to see Father Jackum on "Manchester xylophone" (... or maybe the Nottingham version?) Martinevans123 (talk) 14:22, 24 January 2016 (UTC)
 * Natch. Perhaps we could have Brian May on the Badgermin, and hopefully Eric Barbour will lend us some of his bespoke audio equipment. --Hillbillyholiday talk 19:48, 24 January 2016 (UTC) Oi, ! I do believe you owe me some royalties on that !
 * Hey, we all thought Threesie was the real Puff Daddy!! Mantra Nevis 123 (talk) 21:22, 24 January 2016 (UTC)

I feel a DYK coming on
 E Eng  18:37, 25 January 2016 (UTC)
 * How very baffling. Not even a hint of any rectal dilation. But, I quite agree "Cannibalism coming to Harvard" does have a certain ring to it... Martinevans123 (talk) 18:41, 25 January 2016 (UTC)

Don't take this the wrong way....!
Nearly forgot to send you a cerdyn. BTW, I see our friend the Lion-Eating Poet in the Stone Den bit off more than he could chew… allegedly. JezGrove (talk) 22:11, 25 January 2016 (UTC)
 * Oh yes, looks like he did. The lion looks a bit stunned too, doesn't he. (Ah bless you, Jezza-me-ol'-china, I would have sent you one of those trendy Welsh bendy love spoons. Martinevans123 (talk) 22:18, 25 January 2016 (UTC)
 * You've lost me with the bendy spoons I'm afraid - btw, I think Bracketbot might be sending you less welcome greetings soon, if I'm not mistaken! JezGrove (talk) 22:29, 25 January 2016 (UTC)
 * I was thinking about celebrating by driving to Llanelli!! But you need to know about this ancient Welsh/Israeli craft. Martinevans123 (talk) 22:35, 25 January 2016 (UTC)
 * Those Llanelli multistorey car parks are so romantic...! I remember Geller bending spoons and stopping watches, I just don't get the Welsh connection...! JezGrove (talk) 22:49, 25 January 2016 (UTC)
 * Ahem.... alas the connection is only in my rather addled mind. Martinevans123 (talk) 22:55, 25 January 2016 (UTC) .... ... sorry, I was thinking of Uri Gellert....
 * I was slow on the uptake there - I should have asked Lyn (Llyn?) - she spent quite a few years in North Wales (getting a music degree and qualifying as a climbing instructor - apparently 'portfolio' careers aren't so new after all...) JezGrove (talk) 23:11, 25 January 2016 (UTC)
 * Phew. She sounds like a bit of a dragon! Martinevans123 (talk) 23:21, 25 January 2016 (UTC) I had a portfolio once but I just lost track of it.

One can dream ...
One can dream ... ... great song, but she has those typical American teeth that I find a bit off-putting. — &#124; Gareth Griffith-Jones &#124; The Welsh Buzzard&#124; — 15:41, 26 January 2016 (UTC)
 * I thought that was only an issue "South of the Border"?? Martinevans123 (talk) 15:52, 26 January 2016 (UTC) ... but quite happy to battle it out with Brittney....
 * Ha, ha, ha! I LOL — &#124; Gareth Griffith-Jones &#124; The Welsh Buzzard&#124; — 16:17, 26 January 2016 (UTC)
 * Yikes! We'll have none of your laughing stray moggies turning up here, if you don't mind! Martinevans123 (talk) 16:39, 26 January 2016 (UTC)

members of the Beatles
I have added to all of their Wikipedia pages to give a more detailed description of their places of birth only to have them taken down by you. I have given reasons for the edit which you seem to have ignored please tell me why? Hackinghobb (talk) 23:32, 26 January 2016 (UTC)


 * It's not just me. It's plenty of other editors. As I have reminded you on your Talk Page, you were warned about this exactly one month ago following the Administrators noticeboard discussion here. You chose to make no input whatsoever to that discussion. The reason why your edits have been reversed is very simple - you have no consensus to make them and all the reverting editors think they are unnecessary. If you make another similar edit I have no doubt at all that you will be blocked. Is that now totally 100% clear? Martinevans123 (talk) 23:47, 26 January 2016 (UTC) p.s. if you wish to continue this discussion please do so at your own Talk Page, where I left you the reminder. Thanks.

Cliff Richard talk page
A small WP:TROUT for Talk:Cliff_Richard - if you want to tell another editor why they're behaving inappropriately, do it on their talk page, don't force the rest of us to sit through the back-and-forth. --McGeddon (talk) 10:18, 28 January 2016 (UTC)
 * Yes, I realize it’s nothing to do with content. Feel free to collapse. I did consider that and thought it might be seen as “inflammatory”. I’d rather not venture there just at the moment, I’m afraid. But many thanks for the fish. I shall treasure it always. Martinevans123 (talk) 10:35, 28 January 2016 (UTC)
 * I think I may be taking a holiday from that article for a while. Martinevans123 (talk) 11:09, 28 January 2016 (UTC)

Cliff Richard page
I hope you don't mind the further revision I made to your Canada edit today. I was trying to make it more objective (after I thought about it more, as the other guy said), more accurate with the periods, but also less specific with the hits because it is the article summary. Regardless of all this, the Canada topic probably should have been addressed more specifically in the article body itself (by whoever originally added it) before it was even added to the summary. Shortage of time for me is an issue at the moment though. Regards, AusChartMan (talk) 17:44, 28 January 2016 (UTC)
 * Hi AusChartMan, many thanks for your considerate note. I think your edits are a big improvement, although as you say, the intro section should only ever summarise the article. I'm also unsure that such comparatively moderate success belongs in the intro. As you may have guessed, however, the article is no longer on my watchlist. I wish you the best of luck editing there. I'm busy enjoying a little fish with lemon. Martinevans123 (talk) 19:47, 28 January 2016 (UTC)

For your trout
The 'Bonnie Brae' is oblong, smooth, thin-skinned, and seedless — &#124; Gareth Griffith-Jones &#124; The Welsh Buzzard&#124; — 10:44, 28 January 2016 (UTC)
 * Yes, thin-skinned sounds a bit familiar. Thanks for your culinary expertise. Looks very tasty. Martinevans123 (talk) 19:57, 28 January 2016 (UTC)

Maybe they’ll ‘Go West!’ until they fall off the edge, if we’re lucky!
Hi Martin, it appears that there is a growing number of Flat-Earthers - most of them the citizens of one particular country, of course. No wonder Trump is doing so well! (But then such stupidity goes back to the country's origins: after all these are the people who despite declaring that "We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness" then elected a slave-owner as their first President….) JezGrove (talk) 12:32, 28 January 2016 (UTC)
 * How strange. Everyone knows that America's future is in the stars. Martinevans123 (talk) 13:33, 28 January 2016 (UTC) ... well, yeah, maybe we gotta deal with a flat earth, but at least we ain't got no flat hair...
 * Now that's something that really IS unbelievable! JezGrove (talk) 13:45, 28 January 2016 (UTC)
 * The startling secret is revealed. Martinevans123 (talk) 20:18, 28 January 2016 (UTC)

Please advise on best course of action RE 'Former Denomination - Roman Catholic"
Hi, please forgive my ignorance of the correct procedures/rules etc when it comes to resolving a dispute or disagreement on Wikipedia. As you know, I have included the 'Former denomination - Roman Catholic' information in a number of Wiki entries in the sincere belief that it is highly likely to be relevant, useful, interesting and informative to many readers, providing valuable context, perspective and clarity on the history of many important religious buildings. I should also add that, as an atheist, I have no interest whatsoever in elevating or promoting the role of the Roman Catholic church, historical or otherwise, within the pages of Wikipedia. Clearly, however, the inclusion of the 'previous denomination' has 'ruffled a few feathers' but that in itself does not sufficientIy persuade me that this information is 'superfluous' or in any other way lacking in merit for inclusion. Please advise as I would really appreciate your insights and expertise in helping to resolve this matter. I am more than happy for this to go through any kind of wider-community dispute resolution process so it can be settled once and for all. I feel that the editors who have reverted my edits (as well as myself) really need some final clarification on this issue. Many thanks. (Woodseats44 (talk) 13:05, 29 January 2016 (UTC))
 * As this is such a high level topic, I'd suggest that WikiProject Christianity might be a good place to ask for advice on the best discussion venue. But what was the "Roman Catholic" church called, in Britain, before Henry VIII? Martinevans123 (talk) 13:26, 29 January 2016 (UTC)
 * Seems you will not be replying to me, or to anyone else, for the foreseeable future. But please feel free to email me your answer. Thanks. Martinevans123 (talk) 15:32, 29 January 2016 (UTC)
 * Hi Martin - long time, no see. Really sorry that you've been dragged into this nonsense, although I think, from reviewing the Lincoln Cathedral pages, you've encountered this chap before.   Personal stuff has distracted me from Wikipedia for quite a while but I hope you are well and still enjoying it.  KJP1 (talk) 19:04, 29 January 2016 (UTC)
 * Hello KJP!! Great to see you around, I am very well and "enjoying" most of my editing (although I'm not sure everyone else is, haha). I had no idea (i.e. forgotten) that I had ever seen this two-litres-of-whisky character before. He's very eloquent, for a vandal, isn't he. But he's left a small trail of POV in his wake and I was asking at AN/I how best to revert it. Martinevans123 (talk) 19:09, 29 January 2016 (UTC)
 * Eloquent, but still a complete t@sser! Sorry, very inappropriate personal comment.  KJP1 (talk) 19:12, 29 January 2016 (UTC)
 * You know what they say, "There's nowt so queer as tikes". Sorry, very inappropriate sexist regionalist comment. Inane Mars Tv 123 (talk) 19:20, 29 January 2016 (UTC)

Hi girls, sorry to interrupt your frankly embarrassing 'love-in' but I think you will find that (Woodseats44 was not engaging in 'vandalism' as you put it but was, as you will no doubt eventually see for yourselves, actually trying to address a glaring historical oversight in reference to Wikipedia's information on churches built in Pre-Reformation Britain. By systematically reverting all of the edits made by (Woodseats44 and then trying to silence them for all time by applying a permanent block, you have simply served to reveal yourselves as people who happily support and collude with each other in abusing their editorial privileges, censoring key facts whenever they conflict with their own agenda. One is led to believe that editors on Wikipedia are as impartial in their judgment as possible but this is self-evidently not true for all of them. Rest assured, this is by no means the end of the matter. (Oh and the casual use of homophobic statements and thinly-disguised insults like 't@sser' does nothing for your credibility either.)  I personally think Wikipedia is a fantastic project but, as this whole episode seems to indicate, it is, one fears, in great danger of being hijacked by a bunch of hysterical, self-aggrandising, self-important social inadequates with nothing better to do all day than misuse their pathetic 'power' in between j@cking off to Cliff Richard videos. Truly heartbreaking. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2.120.89.44 (talk) 12:01, 30 January 2016 (UTC)
 * Hi anon-Sky-ip-from-Rotherham. Yes, we're all heartbroken here. But if you see Woody, please give him my love. I wonder could he answer the question I posed above (if he has a moment)? I expect we may see yet another of his devilishly clever re-incarnations before very long, as I think he has, as you put it, "an agenda". A real "Cliff-hanger" this one. Self-important social inadequate 123 (talk) 17:32, 30 January 2016 (UTC)

Banjaxed



 * How lovely. Thank you so much! I'll see you at the "Wealdstone Tan and Touch-up Emporium"! Melanie Frontage 123 (talk) 13:28, 1 February 2016 (UTC)
 * Say Martin, I've had a go at writing User:Ritchie333/Chuffer Dandridge, but I'm not sure I can get the required 1,500 characters for DYK, can you help? Ritchie333 (talk) (cont)  17:21, 1 February 2016 (UTC)
 * So many words do we actually need adding?? Martinevans123 (talk) 18:27, 1 February 2016 (UTC)
 * The DYKcheck tool indicates that it has about 1000 of the required 1500 characters – another 50% required. Ritchie seems to have found all the low-hanging fruit but I'll keep my eyes open.  Myself, I have created a couple of spinoff stubs: Hanwell Band and Leverett & Frye.  They would be an even bigger struggle to get to DYK level so I'm content to leave them as buds on our tree of knowledge.  Note that what's interesting about Chuffer Dandridge and the other TOG stuff is the extent to which Wogan's material was crowd-sourced.  Just like Wikipedia... Andrew D. (talk) 12:13, 2 February 2016 (UTC)
 * Ah, how how lovely. But this was before strict BBC compliance, wasn't it. So, just like Wikipedia, there were probably just a few regular staff with multiple sock-puppet email accounts, haha. Martinevans123 (talk) 12:27, 2 February 2016 (UTC)
 * I don't think a source is available (but one might well have turned up in the last few days following Wogan's death), but an explanation of why Dandrige was created and what were Byrne and Slane's ideas would probably get us there. Or just quoting one of Chuffer's whimsical nostalgic looks at prewar music hall. We've also got this that confirms Wogan corpsed at Chuffer's ramblings, but I can't believe we can't do better than the Daily Mirror :-( Some might argue that Chuffer isn't actually notable, but the tipping point for me is that his writing was read out to about 8 million people a day for ten years, and Wogan obituaries at least name-drop him, so I think it can stick. <b style="color:#7F007F">Ritchie333</b> <sup style="color:#7F007F">(talk) <sup style="color:#7F007F">(cont)  12:20, 2 February 2016 (UTC)
 * It passes DYKcheck now Andrew D. (talk) 15:07, 2 February 2016 (UTC)


 * DYK eligibility scan results: (See here for details.)
 * Prose size (text only): 1741 characters (276 words) "readable prose size"
 * Article created by Jonfun on May 19, 2007
 * Article moved from User:Ritchie333/Chuffer Dandridge on February 2, 2016
 * Assuming article is at 5x now, expansion began 15 edits ago on February 1, 2016
 * Thanks so much. All my effort now seems worthwhile. Martinevans123 (talk) 15:10, 2 February 2016 (UTC)

As I have opined at Template:Did you know nominations/Chuffer Dandridge, I feel this is an appropriate tribute to run at whenever Wogan's funeral is; I'm sure he would have wanted us to remember him corpsing at Chuffer talking about his old chum Gants Hill or enthusing about the new musical genre of Vicar & Sidecar. <b style="color:#7F007F">Ritchie333</b> <sup style="color:#7F007F">(talk) <sup style="color:#7F007F">(cont)  15:56, 2 February 2016 (UTC)
 * Obviously all credit should go to Ricky "Touch" Tingles 333. Martinevans123 (talk) 16:16, 2 February 2016 (UTC)
 * I think moral support from Mick Sturbs 123 and Horatio Q Birdbath Davidson should be acknowledged. <b style="color:#7F007F">Ritchie333</b> <sup style="color:#7F007F">(talk) <sup style="color:#7F007F">(cont)  16:18, 2 February 2016 (UTC)
 * Also support keeping memory: a work of the conductor who died will make it with Ilse Gramatzki in the next set, please watch (pictured my talk). Teh points: should there be a penalty for opposing without a contribution to the article? Isn't it interesting that the term "principal editors" didn't yet come up in the project discussion? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:30, 8 February 2016 (UTC)

Wales v Ireland
Good to see my old mucker "Bunny" has selected my namesake for the Ireland game on Sunday. I stupidly arranged to be elsewhere before I'd checked this year's 6 Nations fixture list. Robevans123 (talk) 16:34, 3 February 2016 (UTC)
 * Yes, a shame the Mighty Geth is out. But poor Ireland are riven by injury it seems. Lets hope we some some bigger kicks Martinevans123 (talk) 23:06, 3 February 2016 (UTC) ... surely even Hitchin can get ITV??


 * Can someone please explain why we've got a and a ? One's more than enough.  E  Eng  17:30, 3 February 2016 (UTC)
 * We are not just a number, we are a name, and although we may both be favoured by Jehovah, one is warlike and from Mars and the other is from Venus famed, bright, and shining. Robevans123 (talk) 18:52, 3 February 2016 (UTC)
 * Good job for EEng that I don't also use my middle name! Martinevans123 (talk) 19:02, 3 February 2016 (UTC) ... Rob just doesn't want to admit he's actually No. 6...
 * As usual, in retrospect I don't know why I bothered asking.  E Eng  22:12, 3 February 2016 (UTC)
 * Yes, propbably best to just let sleeping Welsh dogs lie: . Martinevans123 (talk) 22:46, 3 February 2016 (UTC)
 * We aim to please... Robevans123 (talk) 23:06, 3 February 2016 (UTC)
 * Well, you certainly turned that around, Rob. Martinevans123 (talk) 10:49, 5 February 2016 (UTC)
 * Oh Sergio! Why did you miss?! Martinevans123 (talk) 16:16, 6 February 2016 (UTC)

Someone lLke You (Van Morrison song) ?!?!
Umm... that was not actually the common capitalisation, or even anything like the common spelling. It will likely soon be reverted to its previous title. Also note conventions such as WP:NCCAPS to assist with deciding upper/lowercase wordings. Dl2000 (talk) 04:53, 5 February 2016 (UTC)
 * I trust you'll correct the rest of the article to match, and then, like me, you'll see how odd it looks. Thanks. Martinevans123 (talk) 08:39, 5 February 2016 (UTC) ?!?!
 * Not sure if this helps?! JezGrove (talk) 09:17, 5 February 2016 (UTC)
 * You'd think that would be pretty conclusive, wouldn't you? Of course, we can't use the styling as used on the single cover, as it's all lower case. But, yet again, this seems to be a case of the prescriptive title rules of Wiki-land flying in the face of normal usage in the real world. Yes, I know "like" is an adjective here, but to my eye this looks Like a mistake. Martinevans123 (talk) 10:18, 5 February 2016 (UTC)
 * New Hart's Rules says: "Exactly which words should be capitalized in a particular title is a matter for individual judgement, which may take account of the sense, emphasis, structure, and length of the title. Thus a short title may look best with capitals on words that might be left lower case in a longer title." (2005 edn, page 133) Personally, I agree with you that the capitalized version looks better here - though I see there are many other WP pages also using the weird-looking lower case 'like'.JezGrove (talk) 10:29, 5 February 2016 (UTC)
 * "what's not to Like"? Martinevans123 (talk) 10:43, 5 February 2016 (UTC)
 * There is a discussion at Talk:Someone like You (Van Morrison song), where Dl2000 presents the argument for why it should not change to something more normal. Martinevans123 (talk)

101 Slow Jam
Way to go!!! Sing it Eric!! Groovetastic. Martinevans123 (talk) 11:10, 6 February 2016 (UTC)
 * Slightly less awkward? I don't think so, but what's not to leki? Robevans123 (talk) 11:20, 6 February 2016 (UTC)
 * Well, I think it's beautiful. I'd pay top dollar, dammit, for an album of R&B classics by this hep cat. Martinevans123 (talk) 11:26, 6 February 2016 (UTC)

February 2016
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 * are Coming! The British are Coming!: With an emphasis on Donovan, the Bee Gees and the Who. Part 6&amp;#93; : UNT Digital Library |publisher=Digital.library.unt.edu |date=2015-08-21 |
 * They released a new compilation album called Timeless Flight  in 2013. On 19 July 2013, it was announced that the band
 * Now who's feeling moody and blue...JezGrove (talk) 22:10, 8 February 2016 (UTC)
 * Lol. Hmm, isn't Wikipedia strange.....?
 * ok, ok, bot-baby, no need to get your knickers in such a twist!! Martinevans123 (talk) 22:13, 8 February 2016 (UTC)
 * Ah well, to paraphrase, "If it wasn't for bot messages, You know I wouldn't have no...." JezGrove (talk) 23:42, 8 February 2016 (UTC)

Corbyn Global Justic Now pic
Sorry I suffered a temporary humour bypass, your correction made me giggle. -- BOD --  15:53, 9 February 2016 (UTC)
 * Thank goodness for that. I realise that Channel 4 News is not everyone’s idea of "a better place". Martinevans123 (talk) 16:03, 9 February 2016 (UTC)

Policy discussion in progress
There is a policy discussion in progress at the Manual of Style which affects the capitalization of Adele and Van Morrison's songs "Someone like You", a question in which you previously participated. Please participate on that page and not in this talk page section. Thank you. — Llywelyn II   17:06, 12 February 2016 (UTC)
 * Thanks for telling me. Looks like a rash outbreak of commonsense, at last. Martinevans123 (talk) 17:17, 12 February 2016 (UTC) ... I wouldn't dream of putting anything useful on this Talk Page.
 * Thanks for your efforts over at the policy discussion, Martin. I took a look the other day and thought we were heading towards a sensible outcome (silly me). Given that WP seems to be able to accommodate the erratic capitalization insisted on by e.g. CinemaScope and K.d. lang (although admittedly the latter page name itself starts with a capital 'K', the page title and body text use her preferred lower case one) surely it shouldn’t be t-o-o controversial to accept a policy that WP matches the capitalization in titles of works used by the original publisher on title pages or liner notes etc? Do you think that there’s a case for arguing that adopting such a policy for capitalization would in fact bring it into better alignment with the policy on spellings of titles of works, where artists’ preferred unconventional spellings such as Nothing Compares 2 U or Cum On Feel the Noize seem to be accommodated (also, presumably, on the basis of the publishers’ versions)? JezGrove (talk) 10:31, 15 February 2016 (UTC)
 * Far too sensible, I'm afraid. What's on the liner notes obviously falls into the "who puked up on the tour bus" category of meaningless factoids. Why bother having silly arbitrary rules unless we all follow them slavishly forever. This is a worthy and grown-up encyclopedia not the gutter press, you know!!! Martinevans123 (talk) 12:21, 15 February 2016 (UTC)

He was set a bad example
Hi Martin, do you reckon he tried the "I saw what my big brother was doing to vulnerable people so I thought it was OK" excuse? JezGrove (talk) 13:17, 14 February 2016 (UTC)
 * Looks like she just didn't want to say goodbye. But yes, a lovely story for Valentine's Day. But at least Adam hasn't yet tried standup. Martinevans123 (talk) 13:25, 14 February 2016 (UTC)
 * Very good! Shame that my favourite Osborne joke didn't make the cut... JezGrove (talk) 14:21, 14 February 2016 (UTC)
 * What's next, a Patsy tax?? . Martinevans123 (talk) 14:36, 14 February 2016 (UTC)

Returning the earworm
As per this. But then you should come around here. My kids dont like the video.... Murry1975 (talk) 15:20, 17 February 2016 (UTC)
 * Don't be so petty! I was only suggesting linking, not full geo-political union! Martinevans123 (talk) 16:22, 17 February 2016 (UTC)

Talk:It's the End of the World as We Know It (And I Feel Fine)
I invite you to RM discussion. --George Ho (talk) 08:12, 18 February 2016 (UTC)
 * Oh look, a coordinating conjunction As per WP:NCCAPS. What's not to Like? Thanks so much. Martinevans123 (talk) 08:47, 18 February 2016 (UTC)
 * "As" is not one of FANBOYS unless you were sarcastic(?). George Ho (talk) 12:30, 18 February 2016 (UTC)
 * Ah yeah, sorry, "like" isn't a big meaty official two-letter coordinating conjunction, but just a lowly four-letter fanboy preposition, isn't it? Martinevans123 (talk) 13:30, 18 February 2016 (UTC)
 * ...Back to original intent, you can join the discussion about the section's subject just to improve consensus. Also, you may want to read comments there. George Ho (talk) 19:04, 18 February 2016 (UTC)
 * Call me a Philistine if you like, but I know a work of art when I see one. Martinevans123 (talk) 20:03, 18 February 2016 (UTC)

Jeremy Corbyn
Thank goodness, Corbyn wasn't born in Wales, Scotland or Northern Ireland ;) GoodDay (talk) 20:13, 18 February 2016 (UTC)
 * Haha, yes. What a relief. Martinevans123 (talk) 20:25, 18 February 2016 (UTC)
 * Not that it would have stopped some people claiming him regardless - Oliver Sachs was American, for a while. (And let's just hope that Assange doesn't pop his clogs any time soon...!)JezGrove (talk) 20:54, 18 February 2016 (UTC)
 * Oh, yes he's now South American, isn't he. Martinevans123 (talk) 21:02, 18 February 2016 (UTC)
 * Yup, but the Americans are  claiming him, too! JezGrove (talk) 21:16, 18 February 2016 (UTC)
 * Not to mention the Scandanavian wrestling. Martinevans123 (talk) 21:34, 18 February 2016 (UTC)

You've mentioned the topic of constituent country. That's potentially a very volatile topic in itself. I found that out years ago, when I attempted to implement it into the intros of England, Scotland, Wales & Northern Ireland. Safe to say, I won't be trying it again. GoodDay (talk) 17:26, 20 February 2016 (UTC)


 * Ah right, "potentially a very volatile topic". Just me then? Thanks for the advice. Maybe I'll try and just put "cc" next time. Martinevans123 (talk) 17:37, 20 February 2016 (UTC)
 * Not just you, but anyone :) GoodDay (talk) 00:14, 21 February 2016 (UTC)

No 7?
Why did you took out "seven grand pianos" to Ludwig Wittgenstein ? Is something bad with seven? They removed seven mice to. I put seven mice, Thomas removes seven mice, at comma article. Put back as it was. Somebody puts back seven mice again. Or is no reason? But I know how to sing pages now. Talk pages. Michael Sergius Alexander Ferdinand Fedorovich (talk) 23:52, 19 February 2016 (UTC)
 * Your singing is lovely. You need a piano. But not 14. And I have no view on mice. Martinevans123 (talk) 23:58, 19 February 2016 (UTC)

>>| This is very long and very funny page.Michael Sergius Alexander Ferdinand Fedorovich (talk) 23:59, 19 February 2016 (UTC) Can you tell me how make them blue, the words? I tried. No success. And now things look different. Michael Sergius Alexander Ferdinand Fedorovich (talk) 00:02, 20 February 2016 (UTC)
 * You sound a bit like Crystal Gayle here, Ferodovich. But never mind. All in good time. Martinevans123 (talk) 00:10, 20 February 2016 (UTC)

You mean Pied Piper of Hamelin! Very funny. And you talk. Nobody talks to me, just others. Michael Sergius Alexander Ferdinand Fedorovich (talk) 00:07, 20 February 2016 (UTC)
 * Perhaps you should practice with a few cosmetic changes. Martinevans123 (talk) 00:10, 20 February 2016 (UTC)

You are funny man. Listen, I can not make the word empiricism normal. It is too black. Can you help at Ludwig Wittgenstein? It is like when on article I am in the front of text, here I am behind. The blue works if copied. I copied word "Western philosophy" so that is blue, it is nice. Michael Sergius Alexander Ferdinand Fedorovich (talk) 00:24, 20 February 2016 (UTC)

Somebody removed logical empiricism. But is no factual errors! No, it is a well known fact. Not incorrect. Not false at all. '''The Vienna Circle were the circle of philosophers who introduced logical empiricism in Western philosophy. and the base was exactly  Tractates.''' Read logical empiricism. It is a very well known fact.

This is from article: "In this theory of knowledge, only statements verifiable either logically or empirically would be cognitively meaningful. Efforts to convert philosophy to this new scientific philosophy were intended to prevent confusion rooted in unclear language and unverifiable claims.[1] The Berlin Circle and the Vienna Circle propounded logical positivism starting in the late 1920s."

You must read about it and you notice it's true, because it is true. This is one very important thing. Exactly WHY Wittgenstein is so important in philosophy. Not piano or brothers suicide, but the develop of logical empirism. The scientific mind!

Here, read very careful. This is very important things, very very complicated, OK: http://plato.stanford.edu/entries/logical-empiricism/ http://www.westga.edu/~rlane/analytic/lecture10_witt1.pdf http://www.thatmarcusfamily.org/philosophy/Course_Websites/Language_F11/Notes/13-14-Logical_Empiricism.pdf https://philosophynow.org/issues/103/WittgensteinTolstoy_and_the_Folly_of_Logical_Positivism Michael Sergius Alexander Ferdinand Fedorovich (talk) 04:28, 20 February 2016 (UTC)


 * As you are a new user, it sounds like you are using the much-derided Visual Editor. Try using the "Edit source" tab instead of the "Edit" tab. Martinevans123 (talk) 10:43, 20 February 2016 (UTC)

Exactly. Edit source. Thank you. It was nice meeting you. Michael Sergius Alexander Ferdinand Fedorovich (talk) 00:52, 21 February 2016 (UTC)


 * I think it might be an easier job to agree on seven pianos than to agree on exactly what the Vienna Circle did and whether Wittgenstein was a part of it (or them). Martinevans123 (talk) 09:54, 21 February 2016 (UTC)

I said:"The ideas in the Tractates were an important influence on logical empiricism," and it was the Wienna Circle supported ideas. This what I said. Exactly this. Never said he was member of Wienna Circle. Like One many think, or others. No I cannot speak English very good, true. I learn now. But I can think. That is different thing. It was nice meeting you. Michael Sergius Alexander Ferdinand Fedorovich (talk) 16:45, 21 February 2016 (UTC)


 * Your English is pretty good, actually. I was wondering where you were from, with such a big huge impressive name like that. I wondered if it was perhaps Belarus. Martinevans123 (talk) 16:50, 21 February 2016 (UTC)

Regarding Benjamin Disraeli article and the Balkans
Greetings!

The exact quotation from the 1879 Annual Register is: “Although the country inhabited by the Bulgarians extends far to the south of the Balkans, the Berlin Congress decided, chiefly in consequence of the firm attitude maintained on the point by the British plenipotentiaries, that the Balkans should form the southern frontier of the Bulgarian principality, and that the remainder of the Bulgarian territory should be constituted a province of the Turkish Empire under the name of Easter Roumelia, with an autonomous administration under a Turkish governor.”

A much more recent publication – Salisbury, Victorian Titan by Andrew Roberts (1999) – states that: “On 17th June the Congress got down to the meat of the Bulgarian question, with Salisbury proposing that Bulgaria be split into an autonomous principality north of the Balkan mountain range, whilst the territory south of it would be called the province of Eastern Roumelia and left under the military and political control of the Sultan...”.

It will take a special kind of talent to hold that the best thing to do in order “to maintain peace in the Balkans” (as this is what I am contesting) is to divide a nation into two different neighbouring states. The inevitable consequence of this brilliant diplomatic solution was their unification just seven years later – in 1885, after a rather peaceful revolution. As this event is a historical fact I do not think that quoting a particular publication is necessary, but at the same book Mr. Roberts describes the complete chaos that followed (pages 352 to 356) and, amusingly, the new development that since in the meanwhile Bulgaria became anti-Russian, now Salisbury favoured big Bulgaria.

What followed from the 1885 unification, which followed the decision at the 1878 Berlin Congress to split the nation in two autonomous states, was the Serbo-Bulgarian war from November 1885. The official casus belli was the violation of the Berlin Congress. That was a rather brief war, that lasted a couple of weeks, but due to the surprising Bulgarian victory, it ended with the acknowledgement of the unification of Bulgaria. Nonetheless it deeply divided the two Balkan nations and that would have implications later, during the First (1912-1913) and Second (1913) Balkan wars, when Bulgaria fought first, along with the other Balkan states against Turkey for liberating the remaining provinces populated by Christians and then against its former allies for dividing the spoils of war.

To wrap up – my argument is that: 1) you cannot state that there was piece in a region (the Balkans) when a war broke out just seven years after the Berlin Congress (followed by further conflicts few decades later) and 2) this turn of events is directly influenced by Disraeli’s government that demanded the separation of one of the Balkan countries (Bulgaria), that ultimately led to that war. I hope that this would suffice. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 146.199.196.106 (talk) 01:00, 22 February 2016 (UTC)


 * Why not create an account? Thanks. Martinevans123 (talk) 08:59, 22 February 2016 (UTC)
 * "This morning I had another talk with the German Chancellor, Herr Schrocat, and there is a new discussion thread which bears his name upon it (but thankfully not mine as well). Some of you, perhaps, have already heard what it contains but I would just like to read it to you: "It’s piece in our time". Hoorah! (... waves graciously to general kindly cheers and flag-waving ...) Nev Chamberpot123 (talk) 12:01, 22 February 2016 (UTC) Modern translation: "looks like we’re gearing up for a real humdinger..."


 * I must say, for a Bulgarian you have an almost faultless ability in written English. Better than many so called "English-speaking" editors. Martinevans123 (talk) 20:14, 22 February 2016 (UTC)

Am I dreamin'? I can hear her screamin'
I always thought Kalamazoo sounded a funny place, but not now. Though if he’d been a black cab driver instead of an  Uber one I dare say the cops would have shot him first… JezGrove (talk) 20:16, 22 February 2016 (UTC)
 * Hmm yes, this guy made Bobby De Niro look like some buffoon on a bike....
 * "A, B, C, D, E, F, G, H
 * I got a glock in Kalamazoo
 * Don't want to boast but now she's toast." Martinevans123 (talk) 21:07, 22 February 2016 (UTC)
 * Yes, it's a zoo, zoo, zoo out there. JezGrove (talk) 21:44, 22 February 2016 (UTC)
 * "By 'eck, lad, 'appen it's worse than being stuck on't shelf!" EdSheeran123 (talk) 21:07, 22 February 2016 (UTC)
 * Weirdly, my dad was in a TV dog food ad with John Noakes back in the '70s - Noakes had the line "My dog Skip...", with the copywriters hoping that no one would notice it should have been Shep (who belonged to the Beeb, of course). And because he said "My dog..." he was contractually obliged to keep the dog for six months (I think) because otherwise it would have been a breach of the regulations on honesty in advertising! JezGrove (talk) 22:06, 22 February 2016 (UTC)
 * Don't worry I know all about that, after my recent run in with a Daily Mail-lover geolocated in "Oakland, California" of all places. But I've now checked at RS/N and everything's "unicorns and rainbows" apparently. Martinevans123 (talk) 22:13, 22 February 2016 (UTC) ....but wow, I guess your Dad must have been pretty quick to get that gig?
 * Well, this looks like the '70s Noakes ad as I remember it, though I’m not sure where Dad fitted into it all! It wouldn’t have been the first time he ended up on the cutting room floor, but when it came to ‘commercials’ he never minded because the Equity rules at the time meant that he still got the recording fees and repeats (plus if you were seen appearing in an ad for one brand, it effectively ruled you out from being used in one made by their rivals, so not appearing on-screen bizarrely worked in his favour). Dad appears a couple of times in the background here in an advert with Nigel Mansell and Eric Idle – the original storyline had him getting his tie stuck in the (then) new-fangled electric window, but that meaning is lost in the broadcast version and all that remains is one of those ‘blink-and-you’ll-miss-it’ appearances his nearest and dearest fondly remember looking out for back in the day! Believe it or not, that got him over £20k all told – quite a bit at that time, and one of several occasions when he earned more in a couple of days than my poor old mum did slaving away for a whole year… And for some reason they filmed it in Paris, so he had an all-expenses trip too… Not bad for a lad who left school at 14 to go down’t pit - I’m definitely in the wrong line of work! JezGrove (talk) 23:28, 22 February 2016 (UTC)
 * He looked really great in heels, didn't he. Martinevans123 (talk) 23:36, 22 February 2016 (UTC)
 * I just knew you'd blink and miss him! JezGrove (talk) 23:39, 22 February 2016 (UTC)
 * I did see some other customers there, but then my eyesight is definitely not what it used to be.... Paris you say? Looks more like Peckham. Martinevans123 (talk) 23:44, 22 February 2016 (UTC)
 * I suspect that Peckham lacked some of the tax advantages that Paris offered some of the dodgers and divers involved. Plus ca change... JezGrove (talk) 23:50, 22 February 2016 (UTC)
 * Now this is a real classy Metro advert. I guess your Dad is the guy in the top-hat and monocle yes? Martinevans123 (talk) 23:59, 22 February 2016 (UTC)
 * That must have been one of the roles that he missed! He appeared in the first Smash ad as a caveman, but was replaced by the Martians - and was also in one of the ill-fated 'PG Tips - The tea with the 3D taste' campaign commercials before PG quickly reinstated the chimps... Absolutely true! JezGrove (talk) 22:01, 23 February 2016 (UTC)
 * How incredible. Although the aliens were obviously iconic. But I wonder can you find any reliable sources for Mr Shifter, Light refreshment lady and voice-over man? Not sure who the son was. Martinevans123 (talk) 22:20, 23 February 2016 (UTC)
 * Hmm, you’re right I ought to find this stuff while he’s still with us but seems to be easier said than done – lots of chimps but no 2D chumps in the teabag ads that I can find online. Ditto not having any joy with the Smash caveman ad from 1968/9. I thought his RSC days would be more fruitful / better documented (he was with them for over a decade from about ’72 onwards) but so far have only dug up credits from audio recordings of performances from the first half of the 70s. And dodgy sites like this one – it’s definitely him, but equally most definitely not a reliable source! Though an external link from Dead on Course backs up the weird transvestite nun photo! Will try and find some actual clips when I have some free time! JezGrove (talk) 14:07, 24 February 2016 (UTC)
 * Goodness me, Jezza. I had no idea we were in such illustrious company. We are now all looking forward to a DKY for Wilfred. A male nun, you say? I wonder did he know Jeanne Deckers at all? How exciting.... Martinevans123 (talk) 14:32, 24 February 2016 (UTC)

Also strange but true...
Rod Hull was a bit miffed that I didn't recognise him, but still made me a nice cup of tea – in the house Charles Dickens’ Miss Hamilton 'lived' in!

The evidence is very circumstantial, but the story is true. My mum – a Dickens obsessive since childhood and who was eventually elected (joint) Honorary General Secretary of the Dickens Fellowship – was for many years the Branch Secretary of the Fellowship's branch in Rochester, Kent. As such, she was actively involved in all the Dickens-related activities in Rochester, and so in the mid-'80s met the new owners of Restoration House, who happened to be Rod Hull and his second wife Cheryle. On discovering that Cheryle was a professional portrait painter mum duly commissioned a joint portrait of myself and my sister. (Without asking us first - we weren't best pleased and in the event, for complicated travel reasons, were never actually in the studio at the same time.) Anyway, as a result, early one morning I found myself knocking on the door to the house but didn’t immediately realise who was letting me in because 1) I was nervous and apprehensive about the whole damn thing, 2) even though I knew he lived there I hadn't actually considered the possibility of Rod opening the door to the mansion himself, and 3) I’d never seen him without Emu on his arm! Anyway, despite his obvious disappointment at my failure to look suitably starstruck he was very sweet, made me a cup of tea and then led me along the labyrinthine route through the house to the attic where his wife had her studio. JezGrove (talk) 17:39, 24 February 2016 (UTC)
 * Is this the prologue? I can't wait to read Chapter One! I'm glad to see that Mr Hull gets a mention at Restoration House. A tragic death, I seem to remember. Martinevans123 (talk) 18:57, 24 February 2016 (UTC)
 * Yes, it was a tragic death. Perhaps if the satellite channels had snaffled up the rights to Champions League matches sooner (!) Rod would still be with us. But just in case you think the Rod Hull instalment is weird… just this Sunday mum was talking about her regular chats with the deputy head of Abbey Court school (again in Kent) which she often visited both as part of her then day job and also her co-founding of a new sign language for children with special needs with some of its staff (we're back in the late 1980s again, btw, although the link I found was for the 1994 7th edn of the first book from the Signalong project). Anyway, just before one of mum's visits the deputy head was outed by the tabloid press as a notorious murderess who as a teenager had killed her own mother, and who was working at the school under a new identity. My life truly is  a box of chocolates (well, WAS - I’m sincerely hoping all the weirdness is in the past! JezGrove (talk) 20:52, 24 February 2016 (UTC)
 * Nice to see Gina Grant's made something of herself.  E Eng  00:35, 7 June 2016 (UTC)
 * I bet she really knocked 'em dead at the interview. Martinevans123 (talk) 11:09, 7 June 2016 (UTC)
 * That's pretty funny, but with whom did you bet?  E Eng  13:28, 7 June 2016 (UTC)
 * I forget now, but I got very good odds. Martinevans123 (talk) 13:40, 7 June 2016 (UTC)
 * Jezza, how amazing. I am truly humbled. In my opinion, both of your wonderful parents are eminently worthy of a mention in this "esteemed" encyclopedia. And weird is nothing to be ashamed of! ... in fact, please treat yourself to one of Al's best (I've always found him a real and essential kindred spirit). Martinevans123 (talk) 21:19, 24 February 2016 (UTC)
 * In fact weird could be positively inspirational! (I don't need to say I'm joking, right...?) JezGrove (talk) 22:12, 24 February 2016 (UTC)
 * ?? Whatever would your mother say... "put on a proper suit, do up your tie, and sing the national anthem, Jez." Martinevans123 (talk) 22:30, 24 February 2016 (UTC)
 * I think she gave up on all three of those some time ago! But I obviously DID need to mention I was joking - although we've had our differences, as families do, I was just clumsily trying to say that they'll only be missed when they're gone (and no offense was intended to "Weird Al" or anyone else). BTW, I’ve just remembered that dad was also the foreman of the jury who sent James Willmott-Brown down in EastEnders (although admittedly you have to scroll a v-e-r-y l-o-n-g way down through that unreliable external link to find him)! JezGrove (talk) 22:53, 24 February 2016 (UTC)
 * Yes, that is quite a long way down. Maybe we need to enlist the help of a real Albert Square trouper.... Martinevans123 (talk) 22:59, 24 February 2016 (UTC)
 * Hello boys! Albert's quare? Who knew? .micro.dot.cotton (talk) Hours of fun
 * Yup, way on down! JezGrove (talk) 23:07, 24 February 2016 (UTC)
 * whatevs .... "I think you know what I mean." Martinevans123 (talk) 23:17, 24 February 2016 (UTC) (.... although this is arguably a much brighter and more inventive version

Reverted
Hi, you reverted the pic in Viola Beach. It's tricky since the pic is from the last venue they played at in Norrköping (Where's the Music?) so it really belong in the previous section "Deaths", but the only way to place it there would mean "sandwiching" the text and that is a no-no according to MOS, hence my placing it a bit below. Suggestions? Thoughts? Cheers, <em style="font-family:Verdana;color:DarkBlue">w.carter <em style="font-family:Verdana;color:DarkBlue">-Talk  23:13, 24 February 2016 (UTC)
 * Maybe a better caption? Martinevans123 (talk) 23:32, 24 February 2016 (UTC)
 * Ok, I'll try that. But if it's reverted again I will not put it back up. I was looking for another Norrköping pic when I came across it and thought it might be something for the article. Best, <em style="font-family:Verdana;color:DarkBlue">w.carter <em style="font-family:Verdana;color:DarkBlue">-Talk  23:45, 24 February 2016 (UTC)

Disraeli dispute resolution invitation
Hello. As advised, I seek dispute resolution regarding Disraeli’s assessment, available here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Dispute_resolution_noticeboard and you are invited to provide your summary. Thank you! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 46.16.1.254 (talk) 17:37, 26 February 2016 (UTC)
 * Why not create an account? Thanks. Martinevans123 (talk) 18:24, 26 February 2016 (UTC)
 * I left some further questions for you at Talk:Benjamin Disraeli. I'm surprised you have not responded before opening a dispute resolution. And while it's difficult to track your editing history as an ip, I think you might want to read WP:SPA. Thanks. Martinevans123 (talk) 11:05, 27 February 2016 (UTC)

Editor of the Week
User:Ritchie333 submitted the following nomination for Editor of the Week:

Coming up to 9 years of service and 77,000 edits, Martinevans123 is truly one of the unsung heroes of Wikipedia. On the surface, you may know him for his witty banter and Private Eye-esque visual humour, which I always enjoy, but beneath the surface lies someone who toils away day in, day out, on keeping articles in better shape. He doesn't go for the big awards like GAs and FAs, but he really does make the encyclopedia better without much reward. This nomination was seconded by User:Yash! and User:MelanieN.

You can copy the following text to your user page to display a user box proclaiming your selection as Editor of the Week:

Thanks again for your efforts! <em style="font-family:Bradley Hand ITC;color:black">Buster Seven  <em style="font-family:Bradley Hand ITC;color:black"> Talk  19:35, 27 February 2016 (UTC)


 * Right, that's it! Please accept my resignation! 19:43, 27 February 2016 (UTC) p.s. but many thanks, anyway. That was really unexpected. I am deeply touched. (allegedly)
 * The award is usually distributed on Sunday. Due to the unexpected amount of touching displayed on this page you have been penalized with an additional day as Editor of the Week. This matter has not been discussed with the other WER clerks (Are there any other WER clerks?) and cannot be rescinded or changed in any way. <em style="font-family:Bradley Hand ITC;color:black">Buster Seven  <em style="font-family:Bradley Hand ITC;color:black"> Talk  20:08, 27 February 2016 (UTC)
 * I'm very pleased to see that you are keeping up the old traditions. Martinevans123 (talk) 21:01, 27 February 2016 (UTC)


 * Very well deserved it for your amazing contributions! Congratulations!  Ya  sh  !   20:11, 27 February 2016 (UTC)
 * Haha. Well, as Debbie might say .... "I'm always touched by your presents, dear." Martinevans123 (talk) 20:52, 27 February 2016 (UTC)


 * ... as I said three years ago ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:48, 27 February 2016 (UTC)
 * Gerda, I will always treasure your precious music-related gift... in fact, I've had it sewn into my Blackforest lederhosen weightlifting belt. Martinevans123 (talk) 20:58, 27 February 2016 (UTC)


 * Better as part of the Charivari, I guess, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:05, 27 February 2016 (UTC)
 * Oh yes. "Rough "cat" music" sounds fine to me! . Martinevans123 (talk) 21:10, 27 February 2016 (UTC)
 * We miss an article on, seriously! Cat music is not all there is to it. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:16, 28 February 2016 (UTC)
 * Well, as Google tells me: "Traditionally, it is used by men in the codpiece of costume lederhosen worn." I'll see what I can do! Martinevans123 (talk) 13:21, 28 February 2016 (UTC)
 * It has come to the attention of the Editor Retentions' Board of Clerks that you may, perhaps, could be, in possession of a much desired and rarely displayed Official Wikipedia T-shirt. The report states that it is black with the The Wikipedia Globe prominently displayed. The report further states that you may have had your name imprinted on the front (potentially an act of vandalism). This would imply that you have already received accolades and "pats on the back" for your efforts.  If that is, in fact, the case you may suffer the misfortune of having an additional day added to your week. The issue is under review. You will be advised ASAP.  <em style="font-family:Bradley Hand ITC;color:black">Buster Seven  <em style="font-family:Bradley Hand ITC;color:black"> Talk  22:07, 27 February 2016 (UTC)
 * To be honest, I often do feel just like running away.... But chosing the right t-shirt can be such a delicate task (boyo) Martinevans123 (talk) 22:42, 27 February 2016 (UTC)
 * Many many congrats M. This is well deserved - thanks so much for all you do here at WikiP. MarnetteD&#124;Talk 22:29, 27 February 2016 (UTC)
 * Thanks, MarnetteD. That's very nice of you. Martinevans123 (talk) 22:50, 27 February 2016 (UTC)


 * All I can say is ... WTF? Softlavender (talk) 02:08, 28 February 2016 (UTC)
 * Just chill, Softy. Martinevans123 (talk) 09:44, 28 February 2016 (UTC)
 * All I can say is Runaway was one of my favorites at 14 yrs old. <em style="font-family:Bradley Hand ITC;color:black">Buster Seven  <em style="font-family:Bradley Hand ITC;color:black"> Talk  05:20, 28 February 2016 (UTC). You can keep the Award!!!  <em style="font-family:Bradley Hand ITC;color:black">Buster Seven  <em style="font-family:Bradley Hand ITC;color:black"> Talk  05:20, 28 February 2016 (UTC)
 * : please confirm receipt of that large Paypal payment, which seems to have paid off this time. Martinevans123 (talk) 10:10, 28 February 2016 (UTC)
 * I thought we were just going to settle quietly for a pony and a Greek island? Draws less attention to the taxman. <b style="color:#7F007F">Ritchie333</b> <sup style="color:#7F007F">(talk) <sup style="color:#7F007F">(cont)  13:04, 28 February 2016 (UTC)
 * Darn it, Threesie! There's no need to make a song and dance about this. Martinevans123 (talk) 13:08, 28 February 2016 (UTC)
 * Jeez.... talk about an "embarrassment of riches".... I now appear looking like some medieval ballet dancer, wielding a rustic baseball bat, with a low-slung Bavarian jockstrap and half-mast socks from the trenches. Do you take me for a complete fool?? Martinevans123 (talk) 21:37, 28 February 2016 (UTC)
 * I count myself very lucky to get this glittering award. A Ram Invents123 (talk) 13:08, 28 February 2016 (UTC)
 * Um....the baseball bat is more of a fungo bat, actually. It's used to hit fly balls to the outfielders during batting practice. And the Bavarian jockstrap is, um, obviously for someone that is well-endowed. Plus, its a Fool card. Not a Complete Fool card. I thought you would like it. The tights have a "slimming" quality, don't ya think? <em style="font-family:Bradley Hand ITC;color:black">Buster Seven  <em style="font-family:Bradley Hand ITC;color:black"> Talk  07:14, 29 February 2016 (UTC)
 * Well, that's me corrected and suitably slimmed. But you know what they say "... wherever the US Army goes, the fungos too. Martinevans123 (talk) 09:22, 29 February 2016 (UTC)


 * Richly deserved but surely questions must be asked?! However, a celebratory clue is deserved: 123 across, Confused road tract deals a trump (5,4). As a long term fan of your work I go weak at the knees at this award but supporter wilt is dangerous. By the way, Rob Evans wants to know if he can have his sock back if you've finished posing... &#32;321 Vas Boner (talk) 21:53, 29 February 2016 (UTC)
 * Ah yes, boyo bach, you must be one of the "Boners of Bonymaen." Very big in the valleys, by all accounts! Martinevans123 (talk) 22:10, 29 February 2016 (UTC) p.s. those "Buster 7 socks" are a flashy and contemporary fashion statement and I'm not giving them back!!
 * So long as they are good herding dog socks with a royal pedigree, then hang on to them, but do keep them pulled up. Robevans123 (talk) 23:34, 29 February 2016 (UTC)

Ah, feck!
RIP Frank. Shaken but never stirred. Martinevans123 (talk) 13:47, 28 February 2016 (UTC)
 * Now, and what do you say to a WikiCup? "Feck off, cup!" <b style="color:#7F007F">Mrs Doyle</b> <sup style="color:#7F007F">(talk) <sup style="color:#7F007F">(cont)  13:54, 28 February 2016 (UTC)
 * Ah, go on, go on, go on, go on, go on, go on, go on, go on, go on..... Martinhacket123 (talk) 14:05, 28 February 2016 (UTC)

Stupid Vandelism by You
This edit is quite inappropriate- the plane did not blow up on the ground. Legacypac (talk) 17:29, 1 March 2016 (UTC)
 * Lol. Can't see any evidence of "Stupid Vandelism" there. You might want to wind your neck in. --Hillbillyholiday talk 08:44, 2 March 2016 (UTC)
 * It's enough to make you go outside and start dancing in the street and a heatwave will follow, It will, I promise if you stick to it ... — Gareth Griffith-Jones &#124; The Welsh &#124; Buzzard &#124; 09:16, 3 March 2016 (UTC)
 * ??? Martinevans123 (talk) 13:29, 3 March 2016 (UTC)
 * Gareth, telling another editor to "stick it" is a personnel attack and offenders will be sent to the corner. <b style="color:#7F007F">Ritchie333</b> <sup style="color:#7F007F">(talk) <sup style="color:#7F007F">(cont)  15:23, 3 March 2016 (UTC)
 * This is the link that I meant to post above: Sorry about the cock-up! — Gareth Griffith-Jones &#124; The Welsh &#124; Buzzard &#124;  16:53, 3 March 2016 (UTC)
 * Yes, things are often quite perilous around here. I have to apply Hanlon's razor so often that I'm practically married to Wendolene Ramsbottom. Martinevans123 (talk) 17:15, 3 March 2016 (UTC)
 * "sent to the corner", - "no supper" (my talk), - Ritchie, where are we? - Better look at the Morgenstern, GA review welcome, BWV 1 - only one chance;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 23:25, 5 March 2016 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!
Before we changed to decimal currency in 1972, we had pounds, shillings and pence. See. "Seven shillings and sixpence" or, as we used to say, "Seven & six" Cheers! — Gareth Griffith-Jones &#124; The Welsh &#124; Buzzard &#124; 08:57, 4 March 2016 (UTC) You handle that big JCB just as if it were this little white car... "holding-up the by-pass". — Gareth Griffith-Jones &#124; The Welsh &#124; Buzzard &#124; 11:25, 5 March 2016 (UTC)
 * Thank you Thirteensie. I'm not always in everyone's good books, alas. Martinevans123 (talk) 17:20, 3 March 2016 (UTC)
 * If we are any good, we make waves. But your presence and the way and weight of your contributions is itself worthwhile.  Little piffles don't change that. <b style="color:#060">7&amp;6=thirteen</b> (<b style="color:#000">☎</b>) 17:28, 3 March 2016 (UTC)
 * "Thirteensie" ... I always think of Stan as the sum of a a crown and half-a-crown — Gareth Griffith-Jones &#124; The Welsh &#124; Buzzard &#124;  17:32, 3 March 2016 (UTC)
 * I always find Stan pretty up tempo and mainstream, while many people find me one sandwich short of a picnic. Martinevans123 (talk) 17:46, 3 March 2016 (UTC)
 * I've been called a lot of things before, but never any of those. And 7 X 6 =42! {:<{)> <b style="color:#060">7&amp;6=thirteen</b> (<b style="color:#000">☎</b>) 17:48, 3 March 2016 (UTC)
 * No, not multiply, Stan! I said "sum of" i. e. add.
 * When I was a choirboy we called "Seven & six" three weddings - when were lucky enough to be booked to sing for three marriages on a Saturday. It may not sound much now but we'd be on cloud nine - much better than the tanner we used to get paid for ordinary services... Titter ye not. Robevans123 (talk) 09:28, 4 March 2016 (UTC)
 * Not exactly a fortune, then. Martinevans123 (talk) 09:57, 4 March 2016 (UTC)
 * Nor a fourtune. — Gareth Griffith-Jones &#124; The Welsh &#124; Buzzard &#124; 10:21, 4 March 2016 (UTC)
 * But was she worth it? --Hillbillyholiday ....I wish I'd bought a dog
 * Is this our Martin Evans? — Gareth Griffith-Jones &#124; The Welsh &#124; Buzzard &#124; 17:06, 4 March 2016 (UTC)
 * No, of course not! He's here... getting to grips with Roto-Grind chopped straw (as usual). Insane Ram Tv 123 (talk) 20:10, 4 March 2016 (UTC)
 * Great film.
 * Haha! Martinevans123 (talk) 11:59, 5 March 2016 (UTC)

THANKS!
Thank you for the contribution towards clearing up the Alley Oop issue in the Herb Alpert article. I appreciate your effort!THX1136 (talk) 17:18, 3 March 2016 (UTC)
 * No worries. You'll find me lurking down all kinds of shady alleys... Martinevans123 (talk) 17:22, 3 March 2016 (UTC)

You must be so proud of your compatriots!
Apparently Two Out of Three Ain't Bad – but shamefully I only achieve a score of one. Before you ask, I'm scoring against 'Young, Welsh and Pretty Skint' rather than the alternative mentioned in the source… I'll leave that particular score to your imagination! JezGrove (talk) 22:38, 3 March 2016 (UTC)
 * They was right. Totes hidjus, innit! Take out Zeta and we're a bunch o ruddy mingers. Martinevans123 (talk) 22:54, 3 March 2016 (UTC)
 * Not so, though it seems you've been going downhill (or should that be mountain?) since 2011. JezGrove (talk) 00:02, 4 March 2016 (UTC)

Dylan Thomas' unexpectedly athletic youth
Hi Martin, your source at Dylan Thomas looks more specific/detailed than the one I used - I guess his age at the time of his victory should be changed in the article to 14? (I'm in no position to make judgments about the reliability of the City and County of Swansea, of course!) JezGrove (talk) 19:17, 4 March 2016 (UTC)
 * Yes, I guess so. Although in the photo he looks about 10 years old! (and not totally unlike someone else just born). I was surprised to find such a good source, especially with that image of the Sports Day programme. Except that, on 19 June 1928, he was still 13, of course...!?Martinevans123 (talk) 19:25, 4 March 2016 (UTC)
 * Uh-oh - so either way we go with a 'reliable source' and get it wrong, or get shot down in flames for indulging in a bit of commonsense 'original research', then...! JezGrove (talk) 19:45, 4 March 2016 (UTC)
 * I suppose the safest policy is to leave out his age, just leave the date of the event, and let the reader calculate, if desired? Martinevans123 (talk) 19:41, 4 March 2016 (UTC)
 * Perfect, I'll change it soon (if you don't beat me to it...) JezGrove (talk) 19:45, 4 March 2016 (UTC)
 * Thanks, you’ve sorted it already – that’ll teach me to take a 10-minute Wikibreak! I liked your comment on the Talk Page, btw: "Maybe we need a reader tick box at the bottom of the article for ‘Drinker / Poet / It is hard to split the two’?" Dorothy Parker put it very aptly (as usual): "I'm not a writer with a drinking problem, I'm a drinker with a writing problem". And it seems you have to be especially careful with your writing in Wales! (Though no drink was involved with that case, obvs… - thanks to my legal team for that qualifying remark.) JezGrove (talk) 20:49, 4 March 2016 (UTC)
 * Ah yes, with all that time down the tanning booths and the tats parlours, all we poor Welsh folk can usually manage on our writing slates is a few x's and o's. Martinevans123 (talk) 20:59, 4 March 2016 (UTC)
 * Don’t underestimate the value of the blank slate, and all that  philosophical poo! (On the other hand, a friend recently reminded me that: PHILOSOPHY is like being in a dark room and looking for a black cat; METAPHYSICS is like being in a dark room and looking for a black cat that is not there; THEOLOGY is like being in a dark room and looking for a black cat, that is not there, and shouting "I found it!"; but SCIENCE is like being in a dark room and looking for a black cat using a f- torch".) JezGrove (talk) 22:31, 4 March 2016 (UTC)
 * Ah, hahah!! That is sweet. But we all know the black cat probably died in 1935....  probably.  "User:Cat Schro 123" (talk) 20:59, 4 March 2016 (UTC)
 * I should have realised that witticism would already have its own WP page! (Of course, now that I've found it I've had to add a new ref to it...) JezGrove (talk) 23:49, 4 March 2016 (UTC)
 * Or maybe just not enough of the Duff. Martinevans123 (talk) 00:14, 5 March 2016 (UTC)
 * A duff lawyer - or an honest one? There's a philosophical conundrum just in that alone! JezGrove (talk) 00:18, 5 March 2016 (UTC)
 * We also offer an extensive range of bridge painting services. Martinevans123 (talk) 18:15, 5 March 2016 (UTC)
 * Sorry, Martin I didn't see your reply until just now. (Though I don't think I've missed out on not having the Duff debt management advice!) I just popped over here to say 'Thanks' for the thanks over at Dylan Thomas. The Poetry Foundation source extract that I used started: "Like James Joyce before him, Dylan Thomas was obsessed with words—with their sound and rhythm and especially with their possibilities for multiple meanings. This richness of meaning, an often illogical and revolutionary syntax, and catalogues of cosmic and sexual imagery render Thomas's early poetry original and difficult. In a letter to Richard Church, included by FitzGibbon in Selected Letters, Thomas commented on what he considered some of his own excesses: "Immature violence, rhythmic monotony, frequent muddle-headedness, and a very much overweighted imagery that leads often to incoherence."" It seemed potentially useful, but I couldn’t quite see where it might fit… It has to be said, Thomas is THE best poet to read out aloud (his  Elegy is probably my personal favourite in that respect, for what it's worth...) JezGrove (talk) 23:03, 8 March 2016 (UTC)
 * You've added some good stuff over there. Yes, it does sound good. And he could read it pretty well himself, of course, which is why the US lecture tours looked so attractive to that leech Brinnin and his cronies. Martinevans123 (talk) 23:23, 8 March 2016 (UTC
 * Yes, he sounded fantastic - I've seen it said that he effectively created the audio book years ahead of its time. JezGrove (talk) 07:52, 9 March 2016 (UTC)

Guess who
File:The Most Dangerous Man in America.jpg

I can't comment at the article talk page since the image I have found will mislead and confuse since it is about someone else and the "joke" gets lost but the file name fits exactly (and is not a joke). <em style="font-family:Bradley Hand ITC;color:black">Buster Seven  <em style="font-family:Bradley Hand ITC;color:black"> Talk  12:35, 5 March 2016 (UTC)
 * By the way, as long as I'm here, I want to say what a fun time I had during your tenure as Editor of the Week. The box of chocolates and the daily flowers were special and really un-necessary. I'm just doing my job. A new awardee will be notified tomorrow and your reign will be over but your term in office will be a memorable one for me. Thanks for being unique and creating that opening. <em style="font-family:Bradley Hand ITC;color:black">Buster Seven  <em style="font-family:Bradley Hand ITC;color:black"> Talk  12:54, 5 March 2016 (UTC)
 * Reign over already? Surely not. But hey, forget the blooms... what happened to that magnum of champagne I sent over?? Martinevans123 (talk) 18:12, 5 March 2016 (UTC)

Emeric Pressburger
Thanks for removing the hidden "Why, if he was Jewish?" buried away in a comment when it is explained that Emeric's grave bears the only Star of David in that Church of England churchyard -- SteveCrook (talk) 03:11, 6 March 2016 (UTC)
 * Yes, maybe he just grew to love Aspall. Martinevans123 (talk) 21:47, 9 March 2016 (UTC)

217.42.28.107

 * Mary Rose. It least he/she/it has a broad range of interests..Irondome (talk) 21:08, 9 March 2016 (UTC)
 * I suspect the Mary Rose probably had a few million kilos of Tudor incendiaries tucked away for ballast. I'm surprised we haven't moved on to electronic dance music by now, or even to the Japs. Martinevans123 (talk) 21:41, 9 March 2016 (UTC)
 * It's wurst than that, the Mary Rose was a certain couples' post war love - nest cleverly converted by the bloke who would later found Ikea. He/she/it wishes to bury that fact. Hence the attempt to cover up the truth by the rediscovery edit. (Twitch). Is it not clear? (twitch). Irondome (talk) 21:59, 9 March 2016 (UTC)

Typo
"latyer"... -2001:558:1400:10:207B:B05B:7A16:DA9F (talk) 21:53, 11 March 2016 (UTC) User who appreciates your work on cleaning up Keith's bio, but is banned by Jimmy Wales from helping out.
 * Jimmy who? You'll have your work cut out correcting my typos, I'm afraid. Martinevans123 (talk) 21:57, 11 March 2016 (UTC)

The kid's today
Any chance of moving the article on Keith Emerson's old band The V.I.P.'s in order to lose that horrible apostrophe - it doesn't appear in the band's name in the lead paragraph? JezGrove (talk) 23:32, 11 March 2016 (UTC) JezGrove (talk) 23:32, 11 March 2016 (UTC)
 * Has to be done here. Takes a few hours usually. But I see no reason why not. It's not like you're asking for gender reassignment with a capital "L", is it? Martinevans123 (talk) 23:49, 11 March 2016 (UTC)
 * Thanks Martin. (Might just be me, but ALL those dudes look like ladies...) JezGrove (talk) 00:05, 12 March 2016 (UTC)
 * "Themz Ain't No Ladies, Themz My Tru Hoez." Lyle Lovett123 (talk) 00:19, 12 March 2016 (UTC)
 * Haha (or should that be Hwahwa?) I've requested the move over there now - thanks again for the link. JezGrove (talk) 00:34, 12 March 2016 (UTC)
 * Yes, looks dreadful, doesn't it. The Grocer himself would be proud, I'm sure. Although some people do advocate apostrophes for plurals of abbreviations and acronyms. There are probably huge discussions archived over at MoS punc. But one issue I've just spotted is that it's currently disambiguating with the film The V.I.P.s. So maybe we'd have to move to The V.I.P.s (film) and/or The V.I.P.s (band)? So I'm guessing the admin over at Requested_moves might well post it out for discussion. Martinevans123 (talk) 08:40, 12 March 2016 (UTC)

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Keith Emerson
Hi, thanks to you too for helping to fix up Keith's article. I wasn't a huge prog fan backintheday but I happened to see ELP at HV in 2010 and was impressed despite myself (and despite some of their olden fans saying it wasn't a very good show). Just letting you know I found a few more cites for the Instrumentation section and am trying to fix that up with some better refs and general tighten up this morning. Cheers, TheBlinkster (talk) 16:05, 12 March 2016 (UTC)
 * Thanks, my pleasure. Myself always a bigger fan of the Nice, which seemed to me to be much more exciting. Emerson Lake and Parker often a bit too sterile for me, although Tarkus and Brain Salad Surgery still personal favourites. Keith was kind enough to reply to me in 2014, through social media, about St Mark's Church - see Talk:Tarkus I guess that, with the very many improvements made, the article may get to the front page. It's only two days since we learned of Keith's death. Unless of course someone who has "no interest at all in this individual" and who "won't be working on it" simply decides the article is "tremendously far from ready". Martinevans123 (talk) 17:39, 13 March 2016 (UTC)
 * Fascinating discussion on St. Mark's Church. I too was trying to figure out which St. Mark's it was, especially since there was a post somewhere that said Rick Wakeman almost used the same organ for something else but didn't like the sound. Found plenty of sources saying "St. Mark's Church" (I believe it's also on the record jacket credits) and one saying Flentrop organ but as you discovered the Flentrop St. Mark's seems to be in Seattle - bit far from London recording studios - and no clue on which St. Mark's or whether the place still existed. Very cool that Keith answered back on the query. Thanks again. TheBlinkster (talk) 09:04, 14 March 2016 (UTC)
 * No worries. You also a fan? I see that the good old Daily Mail has gone all out for a suitably trite and lurid headline for this morning's coverage (but still good pictures). He seemed like a genuinely nice guy who still connected in a meaningful way with his fans - perhaps too meaningful. It's very sad that his life ended like that. Martinevans123 (talk) 14:38, 14 March 2016 (UTC)
 * I was too young to see their show back in the 70s and I had a bias against prog for a long time, partly because I was a punk when I came "of age" and partly because the musical establishment back then, such as radio, did not make it easy to hear the best moments of the British 70s bands (or in many cases, any moments at all). In my middle age my musical taste got way more eclectic, plus I played classical piano for many years as a kid, so I got a little bit into Emerson. After spending 2 days in his virtual presence now I'm really interested in him. Wiki is good for creating little obsessions like that (last week it was Martin W. Littleton  - super famous in his time and so forgotten today all he had was a stub with a picture). TheBlinkster (talk) 00:08, 15 March 2016 (UTC)

A kitten for you!
Many thanks for your help and moral support on getting the Keith Emerson article into shape for its RD posting. Kind regards,

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 * Blimey! Not an infernal Cat Attic Attack?! Quick... pass me those antique Nazi daggers...!! Martinevans123 (talk) 12:01, 14 March 2016 (UTC)

Senghenydd
Hi Martin, Thanks for chipping in on the Senghenydd article. It passed today as a GA, and I've put it up for PR. Should you have any thoughts that would help it get to FA, I'd be delighted to hear them. Cheers – SchroCat (talk) 14:16, 14 March 2016 (UTC)
 * Congratulations, a huge improvement. My input has been shockingly frivolous and superficial. I will try and have another look. Martinevans123 (talk) 14:24, 14 March 2016 (UTC)

Dragonian measures in Wales
Never mind, there’s always Sex & Drugs & Rock & Roll… (My apologies for the truly terrible pun in the section heading!) JezGrove (talk) 10:59, 16 March 2016 (UTC)
 * Yes, tragic. A real "where's the salad?" moment for Doris: . I do so enjoy a good Welsh Tattoo, don't you? Martinevans123 (talk) 11:18, 16 March 2016 (UTC) I have sent you a very suspect link via email...
 * Phew, it seems the tattooists and piercers of Wales have had a reprieve now - though I hope Dor isn't caught short now that there'll be no compulsory local toilets strategy after all. (The heady power of devolution....) Still, no one can say Leanne and her party monsters are a cheap date now! (I didn't get the email wit the dodgy link, btw.) JezGrove (talk) 23:28, 16 March 2016 (UTC)
 * She's propa lush ain't she? Martinevans123 (talk) 23:40, 16 March 2016 (UTC) I've tried again! .... prolly gone straight in yer trash *sob*...
 * Got it awr, roedd yn wych! (Blame Google translate for any inadvertent untowardness!) JezGrove (talk) 09:53, 17 March 2016 (UTC)
 * Mae llawer mwy, gwaetha'r modd. Dyn Tiwb Cymraeg123 (talk) 11:15, 17 March 2016 (UTC)
 * That'll teach me, I think something got lost in translation? JezGrove (talk) 11:40, 17 March 2016 (UTC)

Breivik
Another note here. Sca (talk) 13:09, 16 March 2016 (UTC)
 * Yes, indeed. Am surprised he didn't include the dreadful colour of his cell blinds as contributing to his breach of human rights. I didn't know it was only in 1979 that Capital punishment in Norway was abolished. Even after the 2011 Norway attacks, it seems, "opposition to the death penalty remained firmly entrenched, with 16 percent supporting and 68 percent opposed." Those PA announcements saying "Now it's time for outdoors recreation" must have been terribly annoying for him. Martinevans123 (talk) 22:18, 16 March 2016 (UTC)

Article
Please take a look at the article about Frans Jeppsson Wall. I always appreciate your work:)BabbaQ (talk) 19:22, 16 March 2016 (UTC)
 * Looks ok! But you can't get round me that way... I'll still be plugging for Joe and Jake:,  Martinevans123 (talk) 22:29, 16 March 2016 (UTC)

Department of 'You couldn't make it up'!
It's just been pointed out to me that the plot of The Simpsons episode "Bart to the Future", set 30 years in the future, included Lisa becoming President of the United States of America and trying to sort out the economic mess left by her predecessor in the Oval Office, Donald Trump! JezGrove (talk) 16:43, 18 March 2016 (UTC)
 * Maybe "our Hills" can play a mean sax, just like her hubby old Billy the Clints?? Martinevans123 (talk) 19:06, 18 March 2016 (UTC)
 * If only he'd stuck to sax practice sessions in the White House. "I did not have saxual relations with that woman" would never have got him into trouble - except with vocabulary pedants, and he managed that anyway with his "It depends on what the meaning of the word 'is' is". BTW, do you think my source stood up the since-deleted "economic mess" claim over at Trump?JezGrove (talk) 20:27, 18 March 2016 (UTC)
 * Stood up?? It practically whooped ass. The Trump campaign gets stranger and more worrying by the day. As mentioned am away for a few days, so no internet connection. See you soon! Martinevans123 (talk) 21:24, 18 March 2016 (UTC)

RugbyBreak?
Enjoy your break. Is it rugby related? Should be a good day, but won't be able to match last year's final day. Robevans123 (talk) 13:12, 19 March 2016 (UTC)
 * Thanks, Robevans123. Indirectly it was - but only via the television! Glad to see that in the final game, rugby was the true winner. Martinevans123 (talk) 23:16, 23 March 2016 (UTC)
 * OMG, how good is this!! Martinevans123 (talk) 11:59, 25 March 2016 (UTC)
 * Yup, Joe B is a fantastic guitarist - although whenever I hear "Sloe Gin" it always strikes me as an odd choice of drink in the title as I think of it as an old lady's drink and not too rock'n'roll (but maybe that's just me). JezGrove (talk) 12:53, 25 March 2016 (UTC)
 * Yes, this track is really cookin. But sorry, it is just you. Martinevans123 (talk) 12:57, 25 March 2016 (UTC) .... but you're right, this is incredible ...
 * Me being a muppet as usual, then - but I'm still sticking with cigarettes, whiskey and wild, wild women. JezGrove (talk) 13:34, 25 March 2016 (UTC)

Colin Welland
Hi Martin, since you apparently have Colin Welland on your watch list, could you please keep your eyes out for drive-by editors that change the birthplace from Liverpool (correct) to Leigh (incorrect)? I'm not always on-wiki to catch that (was off for four or five days recently), so the article needs more eyes. Thanks, and anyone reading this, could you please also assist by watching the article? (The main reason the drive-bys try to change it is that all of Welland's obits got the birthplace wrong (see article talk page and the footnote in the article itself.) Thanks! Softlavender (talk) 00:52, 25 March 2016 (UTC)
 * Yes, we had quite a discussion about this on the article Talk Page last November, didn't we? After I answered the question you had posted there in 2009! It's the sort of "correction" that many editors will make - especially when in it's in the The New York Times obit which is used as the article's first source! I think maybe a hidden note could be added after the text to explain? Martinevans123 (talk) 10:36, 25 March 2016 (UTC)
 * Blimey! I think that should get people's attention!! Martinevans123 (talk) 10:47, 25 March 2016 (UTC)


 * OK, I've done that, thanks for the suggestion. Nonetheless, I would appreciate it if you and others could specifically keep an eye out for drivebys who change it -- this is twice in one week it's happened (perhaps even the same person) and I'm not on Wikipedia every day; sometimes I take long breaks, and this sort of information shouldn't be left incorrect like that. Thanks anyone who can help! -- Softlavender (talk) 10:52, 25 March 2016 (UTC)


 * I'll try and spread the word. Martinevans123 (talk) 11:17, 25 March 2016 (UTC)

Larkin
I used to drink with Larkin on jazz night (Tuesdays?) in the Haworth. He wasn't a big drinker - I guess unaccepted oesophageal cancer will do that - but I always made a point of buying him a pint. "Very kind of you", he'd say. "Think nothing of it", I replied, "I'm going to dine out with impressionable young English students for years on this story". The old lecher smiled. Andy Dingley (talk) 21:40, 25 March 2016 (UTC)
 * Aghast!! Surprised you don't have a blue plaque there, Andy. Wasn't too fond of sherry though, was he? "A good meal can somewhat repair, The eatings of slight love" - so I hope you enjoyed your dinner. Martinevans123 (talk) 21:51, 25 March 2016 (UTC)
 * At least in later years, he had relatively little interest in his own poetry and his two great loves were jazz and his library (maybe other things beyond my knowledge). I went to Hull, in large part, because of the quality of that library - although there weren't many other places to do laser physics. He certainly detested the Oxbridge sherry circuit and its affectations. Andy Dingley (talk) 01:35, 27 March 2016 (UTC)
 * Yo, Dingles! "The tiny, clear, Sparkling armada of wikipedia promises draw near." A shame, I think, that Larkin dismissed Monk as 'the elephant on the keyboard':  Martinevans123 (talk) 13:44, 27 March 2016 (UTC)

Thoughts
Hi Martin. In the section "Song versions" seen here, would you be interested in sharing your thoughts? I'm personally done with talking to that editor who opened the thread. Maybe you could help by sharing your input?  Caden  cool  23:38, 25 March 2016 (UTC)
 * If you are interested you can read this section called "Versions" here as well.  Caden   cool  23:44, 25 March 2016 (UTC)
 * Hi Caden. Well, I'm a fan of Phil Spector, but not so much the wall of text. But I'll try and take a look tomorrow. Cheers. Martinevans123 (talk) 00:03, 26 March 2016 (UTC)
 * Okay thanks Martin. And I agree with you the wall of text is overkill. Any input from you would be appreciated so thank you :)  Caden  cool  00:11, 26 March 2016 (UTC)

A beer for you!

 * "Give a man a beer, waste an hour. Teach a man to brew, and waste a lifetime!" - Bill Owen. Martinevans123 (talk) 10:29, 27 March 2016 (UTC)
 * Give a monk a barrel of salvator, and waste 40 days. Robevans123 (talk) 11:03, 27 March 2016 (UTC)
 * It's enough to make a man want to move to Texas. Martinevans123 (talk) 11:17, 27 March 2016 (UTC)

Caravan RFC
Hi Martin if you have the time could you please go to this RFC and share your opinion? I know you are a long time music editor so I thought you could add to the discussion. Thanks.  Caden  cool  19:52, 27 March 2016 (UTC)
 * I might go. But after hearing this again, I can't promise I'll ever come back. Martinevans123 (talk) 22:22, 27 March 2016 (UTC) (..... and here with The Monster himself) ... have also always loved Tommy Flanagan's take.
 * Hi Martin. We have a slim consensus now to restore the deleted text.  Caden  cool  23:29, 12 April 2016 (UTC)
 * Thanks for telling me. Maybe the caravan needs a little rest for a while. Martinevans123 (talk) 20:00, 13 April 2016 (UTC)
 * I agree with you and your good taste. Midnight at the Oasis is a good song.  Caden  cool  20:12, 13 April 2016 (UTC)
 * It's positively blissful. Martinevans123 (talk) 20:14, 13 April 2016 (UTC)
 * Just remember to take a break at the caravanserai if you get tired. JezGrove (talk) 21:37, 13 April 2016 (UTC)
 * "My other car is a 1968 Morris Traveller" (... but it's a bit of MOT risk).... it's unlikely to even get past Watford Gap Martinevans123 (talk) 21:42, 13 April 2016 (UTC)
 * Could be quite a line-up for the Pyramid stage! (Though not sure how well Mr Corbyn would go down as a warm-up...) JezGrove (talk) 21:48, 13 April 2016 (UTC)
 * Sheesh! Not more dodgy Panama financial investment scandals?? Martinevans123 (talk) 21:55, 13 April 2016 (UTC)
 * I do hope that you're not using unparliamentary language!JezGrove (talk) 22:03, 13 April 2016 (UTC)
 * Nah, it's strictly hardcore funk here, mate. I'll leave that to the Beast of Bolsover. Martinevans123 (talk) 22:07, 13 April 2016 (UTC)

Crushed of London

 * Dear Marge

I was recently experimenting with the clever gadgets on my user page, when I stumbled upon the view history tab. Inflamed with curiosity, I pressed it and was intrigued by a number of watchers tab. In my folly I pressed it. Imagine my horror as I discovered I only had sixty one! In my grief and shame I rushed to my bedchamber, where I suffered a complete Mental breakdown. It may have been days or weeks, but I awoke clutching my poster of arguably the greatest Briton who ever lived. The days have become an unending nightmare. How can I increase this miserable total? Should I start an RfA? Should I start an Infobox war? Is the answer to include the word fuck in all postings? Only you can help. Irondome (talk) 20:47, 27 March 2016 (UTC)


 * Gadgets are very over-rated, I find. But thanks for telling me about that mystical tab. It seems I share a score with Hadrian's edict prohibiting the practice of circumcision - how comforting. Congrats, your last guess was right. Except that four-letter words always seem to attract the wrong crowd.... yours ever, here on Craggy Island, Sane Varmint 123 (talk) 21:15, 27 March 2016 (UTC) p.s. I share your pain


 * Your words are a great comfort. Irondome (talk) 21:32, 27 March 2016 (UTC)


 * "I can't believe I'm not better" Martinevans123 (talk) 21:37, 27 March 2016 (UTC)


 * Not that Marge! This Marge! Irondome (talk) 21:51, 27 March 2016 (UTC)


 * What do you take me for, "a man of letters"? Martinevans123 (talk) 21:58, 27 March 2016 (UTC)


 * The edit summary was a masterpiece! Irondome (talk) 22:04, 27 March 2016 (UTC)

TNX
Thank you for your thank-you. Sca (talk) 01:35, 28 March 2016 (UTC)
 * TNX for the TNX. Martinevans123 (talk) 09:26, 28 March 2016 (UTC) this could go on for some time...

GNU
Do you g-know what GNU stands for? a g-nother g-nome 10:42, 28 March 2016 (UTC)
 * Wow "hoo noo"?? ...and who said there was an anti-English agenda at In The Gnus?? Martinevans123 (talk) 11:04, 28 March 2016 (UTC)

Vowels where the sun don't shine
Thank you for linking to "vowel functions" and "anal GPS". 89.8.239.64 (talk) 13:17, 28 March 2016 (UTC)
 * Yes, I thought "vowel function" was quite appropriate too. Martinevans123 (talk) 13:22, 28 March 2016 (UTC)

POV pushing in Yemen
Hi Could you treat the request here ? Regards. --Panam2014 (talk) 18:38, 28 March 2016 (UTC)
 * I wonder were you intending to add the "Diff of edit warring / 3RR warning"? And have you made any attempt "resolve dispute on article talk page? But are you sure you have the right venue, as "Pov Pushing" doesn't necessarily mean "edit warring". Martinevans123 (talk) 19:39, 28 March 2016 (UTC)
 * For more, you could see Administrators' noticeboard/Edit warring and Administrators' noticeboard/Edit warring and Neutral point of view/Noticeboard. The problem is very serious. --Panam2014 (talk) 20:57, 28 March 2016 (UTC)
 * So he's now agreed to stop editing maps until May 1st? Martinevans123 (talk) 22:00, 28 March 2016 (UTC)
 * Actually Panam2014 has agreed to stop editing maps until May 1st. So far User:K!lluminati is not sanctioned, though one 3RR complaint is still open. EdJohnston (talk) 22:03, 28 March 2016 (UTC)
 * Thank you for the clarification. I don't see there is anything I can do to help the situation. I have no personal interest in this topic. I trust it will be resolved one way or another. Martinevans123 (talk) 22:09, 28 March 2016 (UTC)

Sorry for my comment at inappropriate place, but i write only because of tagging my name at here. this clumsily behaviors such as send notifications to all of admins ,,, or launching mayhem and controversy not only isn't effective but also similar to an example of a criminal act! Wikepedia is not a WP:BATTLEGROUND and Dishonest and gaming behaviors oughtn't be place in that. when seen to the his contributions log we faced with massive amounts of these behaviors after approval restrictions! i hope admins including be following up these issues.

Thanks. K!lluminati (talk) 23:03, 28 March 2016 (UTC)
 * Since it is Killuminati allows to track messages, so this is a WP: Harassment. For the rest given the magnitude of the POV pushing, it was legitimate to notify administrators. Could you warn him ? --Panam2014 (talk) 11:36, 29 March 2016 (UTC)


 * Sheesh! I'm tempted to redefine the map of my Talk Page. Listen you guys, you're three days early for an all-in tag-team bout on my page, ok? Be sure to add any comments soon, as this thread will self-destruct in 3 minutes!! Martinevans123 (talk) 12:12, 29 March 2016 (UTC)
 * Just watch out, or I'll set Teen girl loose on you .... Martinevans123 (talk) 12:42, 29 March 2016 (UTC)

Champion Jack Dupree and rap
Thank you, Martinevans. I was unable to see more than one page of the book you linked to (the page mentioning Dupree's song). Feel free to revert my edit, but I think it would be appropriate to link to your source for substantiation. I am pretty new to editing Wikipedia articles, but I was a book editor for 30-some years. I may have been overly bold with this particular edit. I appreciate hearing from you. Best wishes from Jim Wicklatz Jwicklatz (talk) 20:09, 28 March 2016 (UTC)
 * No worries. You did a good job at tidying up what was there. I'm thinking that although the book suggests a link between that song and the development of rap, but it doesn't explain why very well. So it is a bit tenuous. I may open a thread at the CJD Talk Page. While we consider, we might want to listen, I guess. Martinevans123 (talk) 20:29, 28 March 2016 (UTC)
 * This is interesting. https://books.google.co.uk/books?id=fJdfkIO4mSsC&pg=PA286&dq=troubadours+and+the+origins+of+rap+music&hl

I always thought the Troubadours were indirect pioneers of rap. I saw a programme with that python travelling in southern France a few years ago. Two guys performed a troubadour piece and it was bloody rap. I nearly dropped my Horlicks. Irondome (talk) 21:19, 28 March 2016 (UTC)
 * Yes, I think maybe you got something there. Martinevans123 (talk) 22:44, 28 March 2016 (UTC)
 * Irondome, you may have inadvertently confused your pythons! Wasn't it the Welsh one..? Also, try this.. --HillbillyBragg
 * This thread has (as usual) degenerated into just a broken dream. Martinevans123 (talk) 10:09, 29 March 2016 (UTC)

Fancy doing a DYK review?
Template:Did you know nominations/Paddy Murphy (Liverpudlian)  E Eng  03:20, 2 April 2016 (UTC)
 * Will try and take a quick peek. Martinevans123 (talk) 08:48, 2 April 2016 (UTC)
 * Done. How fascinating. I see that fellow Scouser James Lord Bowes "opened to the public the first dedicated museum of Japanese art in the western world." But then Japanese does sound quite a bit like Scouse Martinevans123 (talk) 13:59, 3 April 2016 (UTC)
 * I've been to Liverpool, but I came in from Dublin at midnight and caught a train at 5:45, so I saw and spoke to exactly two people only: the taxi driver and the hotel clerk.  E Eng  14:54, 3 April 2016 (UTC)
 * You obviously need some tuition. Martinevans123 (talk) 15:00, 3 April 2016 (UTC)
 * The key-phrase idea seems like good advice, actually.  E Eng  15:35, 3 April 2016 (UTC)

CSD nonsense
And editor except the article creator (i.e. I) can end the speedy-deletion nonsense by simply removing the template. Might I suggest you do that? It's amazing that someone can be active on WP for that many years and still be that confused about the meaning of notability or even, for that matter, the meaning of the various speedy deletion modes.  E Eng  20:35, 3 April 2016 (UTC)
 * Out of extreme courtesy, I was leaving that to you. But I'll await your robust defence first, if you wish. And I'll just start to sprinkle a little salt for you two Wiki heavyweights. Martinevans123 (talk) 20:42, 3 April 2016 (UTC)
 * Perhaps can show us where the claim of notability is?  Ghmyrtle (talk) 20:54, 3 April 2016 (UTC)
 * I have a better idea, which is that you might perhaps refresh your memory of WP:A7, which requires not a claim of notability but rather a claim of "significance", which is explicitly defined as a far, far lower standard than notability. Clearly "cousin of the Japanese emperor" qualifies. Martin, can you put an end to this by just doing the honors? In removing the CSD template, you need not even state a reason -- it's meant to be as easy to remove as to add.  E Eng  21:03, 3 April 2016 (UTC)
 * OK, I'll give you that one. Does "second cousin by marriage" give "significance"?  Really??  Would he still have been "significant" if he hadn't been called by a nickname?  Perhaps I used the wrong template - but you still have not indicated why he's sufficiently notable for an article.  The reasons for the article's existence here look extremely dubious to me.  Ghmyrtle (talk) 21:08, 3 April 2016 (UTC)
 * PS: I almost never nominate articles for deletion - I've probably nominated fewer than 10 in almost 10 years, hence using the wrong template. Ghmyrtle (talk) 21:26, 3 April 2016 (UTC)
 * I just got thanked twice for removing a CSD tag. That's a first. Eman 235 / talk  21:12, 3 April 2016 (UTC)
 * Oi, you two - you're meant to be having the Scouse scrap over at the Sumo ring, ya great lard-pants. Martinevans123 (talk) 21:20, 3 April 2016 (UTC)
 * Well, that may explain why you're so unclear on the criteria. For crying out loud, notability (which is discussed at AfD) is a function of coverage, not any asserted fact (which is what A7 is about). For the nth time, you need to review CSD, prod, and AfD criteria and procedures. They're fairly complex, but the solution to that is that if you can't keep them straight you shouldn't be dabbling in them. You're wasting a lot of people's time here.  E Eng  21:31, 3 April 2016 (UTC)
 * For crying out loud, go and argue over there!! lol Martinevans123 (talk) 21:33, 3 April 2016 (UTC)


 * Now at AfD, will wonders never cease.  E Eng  23:55, 3 April 2016 (UTC)
 * Please note that I have now moved to Liverpool and changed my name. Martinevans123 (talk) 13:58, 4 April 2016 (UTC) ... sorry, no Leonard Nimoy in this one

DYK for Margareta Hallin
--BabbaQ (talk) 00:12, 4 April 2016 (UTC)
 * Well at least she managed to stay there until 9.30. Martinevans123 (talk) 15:13, 4 April 2016 (UTC)
 * The Witch of Pungo comes to mind. What do we do now with our 3/4 credit? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 15:47, 4 April 2016 (UTC)
 * Not sure, maybe just toast our partial success? Martinevans123 (talk) 21:13, 5 April 2016 (UTC)
 * My compromise was as follows: take DYK credit, because I put more time in sourcing "her" than in most of my stub+ DYKs. But I removed her from the official opera DYK (where I add when they appear). What do you think of the witch of Pungo? Removed from the Main page, TFA on Halloween of 2010, because of close paraphrasing, then improved, nominated for a second chance, but rejected. Teh witch was pardoned, and a day made in her name 10 July. A gouvernor restored her good name in 2006, 300 years after she was "ducked". I don't think I want to stress the TFA process with another request. What else could we do to keep her memory alive? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:51, 5 April 2016 (UTC)
 * I can see why you feel more than a little short-changed. In fact, it all sounds to me like a bit of a trial. Martinevans123 (talk) 22:07, 5 April 2016 (UTC)
 * We lost PumpkinSky over that, twice, - won't forget. At least he's alive, more than we can say about my friend who welcomed him on a return, in the sky with diamonds, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:27, 5 April 2016 (UTC)

A man a plan a canal – Panama
A great palindrome but also a tax-efficient scheme, apparently… I just love the way that the BBC reports "Mossack Fonseca says it has operated beyond reproach for 40 years and never been accused or charged with criminal wrong-doing". Err, yes, well that'll be because for 40 years no one had proof of what they were up to, and now they do, they've been reproached! JezGrove (talk) 21:08, 4 April 2016 (UTC)
 * "Mossack Fonseca" sounds to me more like some outrageously hot soca toaster. But if it's good enough for Ian Donald Cameron, it's damn well good enough for me!! Martinevans123 (talk) 21:24, 4 April 2016 (UTC) "Tax Havana haven!! Arriba, Arriba!!" ... hit it Aldo Offshore Top Rate Ranks!!
 * According to the pundits, the days of the super-rich hiding their ill-gotten gains offshore are over, but personally I think they're more likely to be just, errr, numbered, and that as usual they'll be  havin' a laugh at our expense. JezGrove (talk) 21:55, 4 April 2016 (UTC)
 * "groan" (.... and the days of the calendar are also numbered, so I'm told). I guess folks like Smiffy will soon be exposed..... tee-hee. Martinevans123 (talk) 22:09, 4 April 2016 (UTC)
 * And I thought not paying your taxes was fine and dandy ... well, provided you're not guilty of anything heinous like being poor. JezGrove (talk) 22:26, 4 April 2016 (UTC)
 * Yikes! Did someone mention Cameron?? Martinevans123 (talk) 22:33, 4 April 2016 (UTC)
 * Well, when I won the lottery that first time, I was advised to place my millions in an off - shore bank. So I did. Oh how we laughed Irondome (talk) 22:50, 4 April 2016 (UTC)
 * JezGrove, You Can Say That Again. Martinevans123 (talk) 22:01, 5 April 2016 (UTC)
 * Great clip! When Cameron says he's got nothing stashed off-shore, does that mean it's all in Switzerland? JezGrove (talk) 22:20, 5 April 2016 (UTC)
 * He just means he's never heard of Robert Louis Stevenson. Martinevans123 (talk) 22:25, 5 April 2016 (UTC)
 * Let's hope Corbyn asks him to check his long johns for silver at PMQs tomorrow, then! According to the BBC: "In a cartoon entitled 'Offshore' in the [Telegraph], the artist Adams depicts Mr Cameron stood on a tiny desert island being circled by sharks. A similar cartoon by the Times's Peter Brookes sees Mr Cameron as Long John Silver being told by a parrot Jeremy Corbyn: 'You haven't got a leg to stand on, mate!'" JezGrove (talk) 09:30, 6 April 2016 (UTC)

Check long johns for silver?  E Eng  21:58, 9 April 2016 (UTC)
 * Did someone say parrot? Yes, that's the one - Our Jezza is well in tune with his inner pirate. Do you need a hearing aid? Martinevans123 (talk) 22:16, 9 April 2016 (UTC)

Congratulations on your extended promotion
I was proud (but mystified) to find I'd been promoted to extended confirmed user status, as have many other respected editors (including yourself and Gerda). What dizzying heights had I reached? What wondrous vistas of editing awaited me? And what had I done to deserve such riches? - 30 days tenure, 300 edits, and the ability to edit in some contentious areas... I feel like I've just received my cycling badge after driving about 500,000 miles over 40 years, and can now join Guy Martin on his Wall of death - doing something I don't want to do with someone I don't want to meet. Harrumph over. Diolch. Taxi for Rob? Robevans123 (talk) 13:37, 7 April 2016 (UTC)
 * Yes, curious, isn't it. I had assumed I was just getting a secret handshake (... if you know what I mean). But I think we have to rule that out). Martinevans123 (talk) 13:49, 7 April 2016 (UTC)
 * Language, Timothy! Robevans123 (talk) 14:30, 7 April 2016 (UTC)
 * I think our Jezza will probably want to add that bio article to his watchlist! Martinevans123 (talk) 14:36, 7 April 2016 (UTC) ... and here's the only "Wall of Death" I'm keen on.
 * Fair enough. Robevans123 (talk) 14:50, 7 April 2016 (UTC)
 * Don’t tell me this upgrade doesn't entitle me to some ego-inflating medal that I can award myself (preferably with different coloured ribbons) for my efforts in improving human knowledge about everything from Circumzenithal arcs to Inflatable buildings? What about the poor souls creating WP pages for every cut-and-cover tunnel between London Kings Cross and Edinburgh Waverley – are they to get nothing?! (Sob….) JezGrove (talk) 20:13, 7 April 2016 (UTC)
 * Sorry, no barnstar. Instead just make do with a pornstar: ? Martinevans123 (talk) 20:57, 7 April 2016 (UTC) Wiki can be such a zoo.
 * That's a blow - which will cost me a few quid, I dare say!JezGrove (talk) 21:18, 7 April 2016 (UTC)
 * Me too yup. Wonder what that's all about. Perhaps a wiki knighthood from Jimbo soon?♦ Dr. Blofeld  21:23, 7 April 2016 (UTC)
 * "Arise, Sir Jimmy"? ... has a certain ring to it, alas. Martinevans123 (talk) 21:29, 7 April 2016 (UTC)
 * Now, now. Jezza - no need to be so pessimistic. Martinevans123 (talk) 21:25, 7 April 2016 (UTC)
 * After seeing Dr. Blofeld 's post I'm holding out for the full 'wiki Grand Duchyship’' or whatever, at least! I'm sure it will be well-deserved - after all my latest (proper!) WP page creation has had over 8,000 hits and it's only been up since late on Sunday - still, who's counting? (OK, well… some bot apparently - oh, and me, though I'm the first to admit the level of interest was very unexpected and unwarranted.) JezGrove (talk) 22:02, 7 April 2016 (UTC)
 * Blimey! You kept that one a bit quiet! Martinevans123 (talk) 22:08, 7 April 2016 (UTC) I'm holding out for the full Wiki Grand Duckyship.
 * Are you sure you're not getting your 'Blair's mixed up and that really you're after TONY Blair's May 2009 Dan David Prize for "exceptional leadership and steadfast determination in helping to engineer conflict”? (I might have muddled that up myself, I get confused by long award citations.) I'd go for Tony – he won $1m of which he had to give 10% to charity. Lionel would bend over backwards to win a prize like that!JezGrove (talk) 22:34, 7 April 2016 (UTC)JezGrove (talk) 22:26, 7 April 2016 (UTC)
 * "'Ere mate, I 'ad that Minister for Cultcha in the back of me cab the uvver might, and 'is good lady Mistress Kate Whiplash, an' all. Blimey what a pair! Almost as much fun as when I 'ad that Lord Elton of Bog and 'is good Lady Furnish, with those two anonymous youngsters. Blimey, I 'ad to drive like the clappers to get 'em to the Supreme Court for some reason!!" Martinevans123 (talk) 23:02, 21 April 2016 (UTC)

Talk:As Long as You Love Me
I invite you to discuss the ongoing RM discussion. --George Ho (talk) 03:59, 12 April 2016 (UTC)
 * Thanks, George. I'd rather stick pins into my eyes. I'll try and drop by. Martinevans123 (talk) 09:25, 12 April 2016 (UTC)

Colin Welland
Hi Martinevans123

I am new to Wikipedia and have difficulty negotiating my way round any type of communications and editing on here. I am concerned that the birthplace of Colin Welland is indicated as Liverpool. He was actually born in Leigh, Lancashire, (Milton Street to be precise), before moving to the Kensington area of Liverpool as a toddler. Colin is one of a few famous people born in Leigh. Along with Georgie Fame, Thomas Burke and James Hilton. If you would kindly rectify this for me, I would be grateful.

Harvey Blear — Preceding unsigned comment added by HarveyLeighBlear (talk • contribs) 13:39, 12 April 2016 (UTC)
 * Hi Harvey. Do you have a published source to support your claim? And, as I suggested on your talk page, the best place for any discussion is at Talk:Colin Welland. Thanks. Martinevans123 (talk) 13:51, 12 April 2016 (UTC)

There is currently a discussion at Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents regarding an issue with which you may have been involved. Thank you.--Catlemur (talk) 10:04, 17 April 2016 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the helpful reminder. But not sure what it has to do with Colin, though. Martinevans123 (talk) 10:13, 17 April 2016 (UTC)

Huh
MartinEvans? And here I was thinking the name was Martine Vans. But seriously, I get the whole humor thing, but when you have an editor who is clearly taking it the wrong way, please don't escalate the situation. I'm not suggesting a humorless existence, just don't direct it at an individual you know isn't going to take it the right way. NE Ent 15:03, 17 April 2016 (UTC)
 * "Seriously, you get the humor thing." Martine Vans is fine by me. I continually seek to find the tiniest chink in the armour of wiki-homourlessness. The arrows often rebound. Anyone who comes to ANI saying "there are too many to blame", and talking of "punishment", needs to beware, I think. I also think there was quite a confusion here between the creation of the article, the appearance of that DYK hook and the process by which it found it's way to the Main Page. These might all be reasonably scrutinised, but at the appropriate fora. I had hoped that my last comment to Catlemur contained, for them, the meaning they requested. Not for you, it seems. But I have always valued your level-headedness and good sense so thanks for your advice. Minaret Vans 123 (talk) 15:27, 17 April 2016 (UTC) p.s. at least Catlemur didn't get called "a jerk", eh?
 * Oops, sorry about that. You are not a jerk, and I shouldn't have said that, but the directed humor thing is a jerk move. (Not really sure what the relative ranking of "jerk" and "drama queen" are on the pantheon of wiki-insults. Sounds like something we could have an RFC, ANI thread, and arbcom case to determine the answer is No consensus.) NE Ent 15:47, 17 April 2016 (UTC)
 * I got all the moves like Jagger, dude. At least it's not as bad as a twerk move (?) Vain Ram Nest123 (talk) 16:16, 17 April 2016 (UTC) p.s. well, that's a first for me in over 9 years of editing - an actual apology. Wikipedia might be a better place if folks just did that more often. p.p.s. I had a pantheon once, but it started to roam.

People are far less likely to be annoyed at jokes that are funny. Just saying. <b style="color:Green">HighInBC</b> 16:19, 17 April 2016 (UTC)
 * Hahaha, now that is funny. I ran out about 7 years ago. Martinevans123 (talk) 16:24, 17 April 2016 (UTC)
 * Humour can be very subjective though - and as every straight man knows, people who act like they are being serious can be the funniest of all. JezGrove (talk) 16:30, 17 April 2016 (UTC)
 * ANI is probably the very worst place to ever attempt humour. Probably why I find it such an irresistible challenge. Martinevans123 (talk) 16:36, 17 April 2016 (UTC)
 * "'ere Jezza I 'ad that Adolf Livingstone in the back of me cab last night (before he want mad). Strike a light, and I thought he liked newts!!" Martinevans123 (talk) 19:33, 29 April 2016 (UTC)
 * Yes, as this evening's episode of The News Quiz noted: "When your party is embroiled in accusations of anti-Semitism, wading in and repeatedly shouting 'Hitler was a Zionist' doesn't really calm things down..." JezGrove (talk) 19:55, 29 April 2016 (UTC)
 * ".. there could have been a disabled anti-semite who wanted to use that toilet!" Martinevans123 (talk) 20:32, 29 April 2016 (UTC)
 * Professor Livingstone I presume? Irondome (talk) 20:11, 29 April 2016 (UTC)
 * But I bet he's feeling a bit moody. Martinevans123 (talk) 20:22, 29 April 2016 (UTC)
 * Ah-ha, yes, a great programme. Andy Hamilton was wonderfully eloquent tonight. Nice to hear Neil, although I'm more a Zeb man myself. Martinevans123 (talk) 20:16, 29 April 2016 (UTC)
 * So according to Ken's thinking, despite Hitler's (original) solution being the equivalent of saying to the Jews "Why don’t you eff off to where you effing came from?” (to which "What? Leipzig?" apparently wasn't an acceptable answer, even if your family had lived there for generations) this makes him a Zionist. And there I was thinking it was the typical shout of ignorant racist thugs to people from ethnic minorities everywhere… JezGrove (talk) 19:34, 1 May 2016 (UTC)
 * Come on, now, he loved kittens. Martinevans123 (talk) 20:44, 1 May 2016 (UTC)

Hello
I know i'm a few days late, but all the edits involving the DOD seem like sockpuppetry/meatpuppetry. The source for the death currently in place makes me skeptical. I'd like your opinion on this matter since you also reverted some edits of this nature. --Saltedcake (talk) 13:32, 18 April 2016 (UTC)
 * PS, Just to be clear im talking about the Martin Fitzmaurice article. --Saltedcake (talk) 13:33, 18 April 2016 (UTC)
 * Hi Saltedcake. I initially reverted the death as I could find no reliable source he had actually died. I've not really considered the date carefully. I'll take another look. Thanks. Martinevans123 (talk) 13:36, 18 April 2016 (UTC)
 * Saltedcake, I have now added this "American Darts Organisation" source, as it contains a date. But I'm really not sure how reliable it is. For all we know, it may be just using the Wikipedia page for its information. Martinevans123 (talk) 21:21, 18 April 2016 (UTC)
 * Thanks! --Saltedcake (talk) 17:35, 19 April 2016 (UTC)

S. O. Davies at FAC
I saw your note on Dr. B's talkpage. Thanks for checking the Welsh names and also for a few minor fixes that I see you made to the article's text. Anyway, I've sent it to FAC now with fingers firmly crossed. Brianboulton (talk) 19:40, 21 April 2016 (UTC)
 * Good luck. I would have thought there must be some official record of a date of birth for anyone who was a UK MP for nearly 40 years. Martinevans123 (talk) 19:45, 21 April 2016 (UTC)

Editor of the Week&thinsp;: nominations needed!
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The list of nominees is running short, and so new nominations are needed for consideration. Have you come across someone in your editing circle who deserves a pat on the back for improving article prose regularly, making it easier to understand? Or perhaps someone has stepped in to mediate a contentious dispute, and did an excellent job. Do you know someone who hasn't received many accolades and is deserving of greater renown? Is there an editor who does lots of little tasks well, such as cleaning up citations?

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 * Thank you for the nomination and seconds. You support is appreciated. <em style="font-family:Bradley Hand ITC;color:black">Buster Seven  <em style="font-family:Bradley Hand ITC;color:black"> Talk  12:59, 25 April 2016 (UTC)
 * "Wikipedia moves in mysterious ways." (Anyone seen MicroDotCotton lately?) Martinevans123 (talk) 13:04, 25 April 2016 (UTC)

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 * Oi Reffy, you're worse than the Jehova's Witnesses. Martinevans123 (talk) 08:54, 24 April 2016 (UTC) (but thanks for visiting.)

barnstar

 * Thank you so much, Ma'am, I'm deeply honoured. I just love The Royals. Martinevans123 (talk) 07:54, 28 April 2016 (UTC)

Hello
Hi Martin I just wanted to let you know that I mentioned you here and wanted you to know this. My stalker will just not quit. Rather creepy if you ask me.  Caden  cool  19:16, 28 April 2016 (UTC)
 * Hi Caden. Thanks for letting me know. That doesn't look very good. Could you remind me where I came across that editor before? Martinevans123 (talk) 19:19, 28 April 2016 (UTC)
 * Probably one of his many threads devoted to me on multiple talk pages and ANI boards, but I think you first saw him on the Song project page.  Caden  cool  19:27, 28 April 2016 (UTC)
 * Ah yes, I remember now, about a month ago. That discussion prompted some good ideas but it remains unresolved. The word "version" is a bit ambiguous isn't it. But I see that he says he "looked at a few pages where you made recent changes". Well that sounds like going beyond watchlist overlap (I was recently accused of "following" someone around when I made an edit to a second article they had just edited - simply because it popped up in my Watchlist). How very tiresome. I guess Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Songs is the still best venue to try and discuss it. Martinevans123 (talk) 19:46, 28 April 2016 (UTC)
 * Yes that discussion prompted good ideas but nothing has been resolved. I did not participate in that discussion because I am so done dealing with that aggressive stalker who will not stop harassing me. He has me on his watchlist, follows all of my edits, and edits pages that he never worked on before until he realized that they were pages I worked on and then suddenly he shows up undoing my work. That is creepy and unacceptable behavior. It's become very tiresome and old. His recent report on ANI where he was trying to get me blocked went nowhere. I have no doubt he will try again but the community will soon tire of him and his wiki games.  Caden  cool  20:05, 28 April 2016 (UTC)
 * Does he just revert your use of the word "version" or does he revert all sort of changes you make? You say that "he has you on his watchlist", but I guess this only alerts him if you have something appear on your Talk Page. Perhaps it's just that your Watchlists overlap - mostly songs, I'm guessing. Martinevans123 (talk) 20:15, 28 April 2016 (UTC)
 * Yes he reverts the word "version" on all my edits and has been doing that for several months now. And yes he does have me on his watchlist since the time of the "You've Lost that loving Feelin" article. He deliberately goes through all of my other edits and often shows up on articles such as "Emotions" where he never edited before but only decided to edit becaause they were pages I edited. I do not believe its a case of overlap and I do not believe his edits are in good faith either. This is a case of being stalked, harassed, and bullied.  Caden  cool  20:33, 28 April 2016 (UTC)
 * This is no way to continue. It's highly unproductive, and demoralising for you. I do hope it can be resolved somewhere. Personally, I can see nothing wrong with using "original version", even in the case of articles like Emotion (Samantha Sang song) where the name of the main artist appears in the title. But I realise that opinions may vary. And of course it's not just an issue with terminology but also, very often, with article structure. Martinevans123 (talk) 20:42, 28 April 2016 (UTC)
 * I agree Martin it is no way to continue but he just will not stop. It would be great if he left me and my edits alone, and it would be appreciated if he stopped opening multiple threads on me and filing bogus ANI reports. I believe he is upset because I refuse to speak with him any further so he plays the flaunting of the rules game or he tries playing the WP game in an attempt to try getting me in trouble for things I never did. He accuses me of violating rules and guidelines yet he fails to provide me his evidence. He calls my edits "dubious", well how so exactly? He claimed I asked you to be my voice, yet I never did that. He lied about that and it annoyed me. But his obession with me is highly disruptive and disturbing. It's unacceptable and not good. I get the feeling he's trying to run me off the project.  Caden  cool  21:04, 28 April 2016 (UTC)
 * I can see that you are trying to ignore him, as far as possible, but still feel threatened. So perhaps you don't feel Mediation would be appropriate? Martinevans123 (talk) 21:14, 28 April 2016 (UTC)
 * I've been trying hard Martin to avoid him for several months now and as you see it hasn't worked because he continues to stalk me and tries to force me against my will to communicate with him by opening multiple threads devoted to me on multiple talk pages where he pings me in his attempts to force me to speak with him again. When that failed, he filed a bogus report on me trying to get me blocked which went nowhere, and next thing you know he's over at the "Emotion" page stalking my edits. A page he he never edited before but did so because of my connection. He's done it at "Johnny Angel" and at "Heart of Glass" (articles he never edited before) and many other pages that would be too long to type out here. Mediation would not work. That man wants my attention and I am done giving it to him. Thanks for trying to help Martin. I really appreciate it. I respect you and I respect your opinions. You are one of the few good people on wiki. And one of the funniest too. Love your edit summaries which are often filled with good humor. We need that around here. It lightens up this dark place so thank you.  Caden  cool  21:45, 28 April 2016 (UTC)

It's interesting the things people said behind my back. Martinevans123, if you are interested in getting involved, then you should know the background. The articles involved were ones that I looked at at the start of the discussion at WT:SONG, there is no stalking, those were just the articles under discussion. however refused to participate in the discussion, when I had specifically asked him to participate in all the edit summaries as well as repeated direct requests on his talk page. While the discussion was still undergoing, Caden continued to engage in edit warring, not just with me, but with others as well, just some of his edits here - 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12, 13, 14. If he had continued to edit warring after I had filed the edit warring report on him, he would have received an extended block, given that he already had a block and a topic band for edit warrning - here and here. I'm sure you had not intended it to be so, but your contribution at WT:SONG was used as an excuse for him to continue edit warring while refusing to address the issue. It should be noted that where there is a dispute, per WP:BRD, the ones involved in the dispute should discuss the issues involved rather than delegating it to someone else. I appreciate your contribution, and hope you can continue to engage as a neutral editor, but I hope you can also understand that not participating in discussion while aggressively reverting (and making various odd accusations) as Caden did is not acceptable behaviour, and should not be encouraged. Hzh (talk) 18:25, 29 April 2016 (UTC)
 * Hzh, you're accusing me of saying things "behind your back"? And could you explain what you mean by "delegating it to someone else"? Thanks. Martinevans123 (talk) 18:30, 29 April 2016 (UTC)
 * No, not you, but what Caden said. They were clearly wrong or misleading. Delegating just meant that Caden refused to discuss the issue while getting you involved (although I should say your participation is appreciated by the way). Hzh (talk) 18:31, 29 April 2016 (UTC)
 * I'm on the fence over Cadens' interpretation and use of the word "version" in song articles. And with the slight restructuring it sometimes involves. Maybe Caden is seeking to reach a level of consistency between song articles that is not really required. I've already said elsewhere that I don't see what he has added as necessarily "wrong". But the place for any discussion is at WT:SONG, not here. Similarly with accusations of edit warring, which belong at WP:EW. I think we can all agree that this is my "private" Talk Page, not a forum for resolving disputes, so there really is no need for you to post 14 examples of what you see as edit warring and the diffs for two previous blocks, OK?? It takes more than one person to "edit war" doesn't it? I appreciate that you want to give "your side of the story" but I'm going to have to politely ask both of you to take your dispute through the appropriate formal channels. I'd still urge both of you, however, to first try and re-engage in that discussion at WT:SONG, where a proper consensus could be reached, not "behind anyone's back." Thanks. Martinevans123 (talk) 18:49, 29 April 2016 (UTC)
 * Given that you appear to agree with his version of events here - "I can see that you are trying to ignore him, as far as possible, but still feel threatened" when he was actually actively engaged in edit warring, I felt it is only right that I should make clear what is actually happening. Perhaps I went overboard, if so apologies. His edit warring was with a number of editors, not just me, some of them issued warning/requests not to edit-warring when I decided to file a edit warring report (I in fact did not engaged in edit-war in the article concerned). Hzh (talk) 19:01, 29 April 2016 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the apology. I wonder did you read my polite request above? (No need to answer that one). Thanks. Martinevans123 (talk) 19:04, 29 April 2016 (UTC)
 * My point to you isn't about any dispute between me and Caden, but I'll leave it for now even if you missed the point. Hzh (talk) 19:20, 29 April 2016 (UTC)
 * You'll actually leave it for now? How very gracious of you. My sincere apologies for "missing the point". Martinevans123 (talk) 19:23, 29 April 2016 (UTC)

A beer for you!

 * I'll get three straws, two straws and a packet of peanuts, shall I? Martinevans123 (talk) 19:17, 29 April 2016 (UTC)

Wig-Wam Bam (wing-wong pong)...
PaleCloudedWhite (talk) 08:05, 2 May 2016 (UTC)
 * How??! Sounds like it's official, then. How very sweet of you to tell me. Martinevans123 (talk) 08:39, 2 May 2016 (UTC) ... am just busy making a chapman for my pet chin...

Wiki:Project Songs
He left me no choice. I had to defend myself and I had to tell the truth.  Caden  cool  17:10, 2 May 2016 (UTC)
 * "To convince someone of the truth, it is not enough to state it, but rather one must find the path from error to truth." - Ludwig Wittgenstein. Martinevans123 (talk) 17:47, 2 May 2016 (UTC)

Helikopter Service Flight 451
Hello Martinevans123, Helikopter Service Flight 451 was a stub that I have added quite a lot of information to. I would appreciate it if you took the time for a peer review since you are also active on 2016 Turøy helicopter crash. Both for proper english since it is not my first language and other things I most likely have done wrong since I am quite new to Wikipedia. Cheers :-) Treehugger76 (talk) 22:24, 3 May 2016 (UTC)
 * I'll try and have a look. Quite frankly, Treehugger76, the news that English is not your first language is quite a surprise. Please be assured that the English I have seen you use is just as good as, if not better than, that of many editors who count it as their first language. Martinevans123 (talk) 22:36, 3 May 2016 (UTC)
 * Thanks for reviewing the article and for the nice words :-) I am Norwegian, but have been working in the oil industry reading and writing technical English for 16 years. I know a lot of words and terms, but the last 5% of perfection for a Wikipedia article is probably only achievable for someone with english as their first language.Treehugger76 (talk) 22:59, 3 May 2016 (UTC)
 * You can get an extra 1% for giving English a big E :-) Martinevans123 (talk) 07:53, 4 May 2016 (UTC)

St. Mary's Church, Higham Ferrers
I have removed your addition to the above article, as it appears to have been copied from http://www.stmaryhighamferrers.org/music, a copyright web page. All content you add to Wikipedia must be written in your own words. Please let me know if you have any questions or if you think I may have made a mistake. — Diannaa (talk) 21:40, 5 May 2016 (UTC)
 * Facts, eh. So troublesome sometimes. As if my own words would be any better. Thanks. Martinevans123 (talk) 21:44, 5 May 2016 (UTC) p.s. if only there was an easy for me to see where I went wrong. I can't even learn from my mistakes this way. Nor can anyone else, apart from you. I guess I'll just have to guess exactly which were the "55% 121 words".
 * You might be able to view the Ithenticate Report. If not, let me know, and I will send you more info via email. — Diannaa (talk) 03:55, 6 May 2016 (UTC)
 * I might Diannaa, if I was a user of that application (or if I had even heard of it before now). I wonder could you explain what "55% 121 words" actually means? (preferably in words of one syllable or less) But don't worry, I've already sent my begging letter to Canon Richard Stainer, hoping he will spare me the high court writ. Shucks, the last time I did this I was locked for a month in the crypt. Martinevans123 (talk) 20:49, 6 May 2016 (UTC)
 * I have sent you an analysis via email. — Diannaa (talk) 21:37, 6 May 2016 (UTC)
 * Thanks. Yes, once again, to me it just looks like a series of facts. Struggling to find other words for "organ", "choir" and "'end of the nineteenth century", and for people's names, etc. What does "55% 121 words" actually mean? And how come people with 56% escape? Is this the tool they use in the High Court, or is it all down to the judge? Martinevans123 (talk) 22:19, 6 May 2016 (UTC)
 * Some judges are very nice, Martin - according to someone I can’t mention who was very appreciative about a ruling to do with a paddling pool and a lot of olive oil. But of course, some are worse than others.  JezGrove (talk) 22:35, 6 May 2016 (UTC)
 * This calls for a celebration. I guess Alexander Minto Hughes never had any copyvio issues... 1980s German TV, don't you just love it. Martinevans123 (talk) 22:48, 6 May 2016 (UTC)
 * Weirdly, he came from Snodland, which is just a mile or two from Higham, Kent - I have fond(!) memories of summer holidays spent working as a labourer at Snodland's old Holborough Blue Circle cement factory. (Gap year? What's one of those?! But then again, 'Factory?...') JezGrove (talk) 22:59, 6 May 2016 (UTC)
 * OMG!! Tarquin!!! ...I'm literally in Burma . Martinevans123 (talk) 23:03, 6 May 2016 (UTC) ... "Big Snodland Seven", anyone?
 * I don't know that track, but a Kent connection seems likely - though maybe just a strange place name that appealed to the band? (We used to joke about 'the land of the Snods' when we were kids.) I remember that when I was a teenager Dread / Hughes replaced loads of public signs in Snodland with 'Dreadland' one April Fools' Day (e.g. the railway station and post office), but sadly I've not found a RS for it, so it will have to be lost to posterity. JezGrove (talk) 23:19, 6 May 2016 (UTC)
 * Wow, that's amazing! I stayed for a while in Eastchurch last year. "... what's that you say Sooty, working in a cement factory??" Martinevans123 (talk) 23:25, 6 May 2016 (UTC) (... that was a great album... the nearest YouTube has to offer it seems is Nettlebed (used to have a great folk club there, as I recall).)
 * Martinevans123, you've presented exactly the same material in exactly the same order using exactly the same words. It's a copyright violation. Please don't do it any more, or you will be blocked from editing. — Diannaa (talk) 01:03, 7 May 2016 (UTC)
 * Well Diannaa, that wasn't my recollection and it certainly wasn't my intention. I had thought I had condensed, and made selective use of only parts of that source - those paragraphs contain 538 words and I used only 233 of them. It looks like my second edit, 1 minute later, described as "trim" in my edit summary, was not the trim I had intended it to be. I also now see that I was distracted by a vandal who popped-up at Anthony Hopkins claiming that he was dead (... and, as if by magic, they have now just returned. How coincidental.) I found this more that a little disturbing and spent a good 20 minutes searching the internet for clues. And I never returned to format the church reference with reflinks and make any further copyedits. Your phrase "don't do it any more" suggests I do this on a regular basis, which I think is incorrect. I'm also surprised that the threat of blocking me from editing is the best way to go here. I'm well aware that every page at that website is copyrighted by the "Church of England within the Diocese of Peterborough", but I'm really not sure that the church would see use of that material, with the correct attribution, as a huge problem. Thanks. Martinevans123 (talk)
 * Under the terms of the Berne Convention, all literary material is copyright unless specifically released under license or into the public domain. No notice or registration is required. — Diannaa (talk) 13:01, 7 May 2016 (UTC)
 * I've struck out appropriately above, to emphasise my ignorance. Sorry I didn't get to the convention. Perhaps you can explain the purpose of the copyright symbol, which sounds a bit redundant? You'll see a table on the web page, detailing the specification of the new organ, which I was considering copying into the church article. How would one paraphrase that exactly? Martinevans123 (talk) 14:03, 7 May 2016 (UTC)
 * You didn't feel the Berne then? Xanthomelanoussprog (talk) 14:05, 7 May 2016 (UTC)
 * Alas, no. Martinevans123 (talk) 14:14, 7 May 2016 (UTC)
 * According to our article copyright symbol, the symbol was made optional in the United States on March 1, 1989. Here is an information page from the gov.uk website which states the copyright symbol is optional in that country as well. Other countries will have their own legislation in place. Regarding the table, lists of facts, such as the names of members of a sports team or the list of songs on a record album are not copyrightable, so my opinion is that you could include this material; from a copyright point of view it would be okay. — Diannaa (talk) 16:49, 7 May 2016 (UTC)
 * Ah yes, that country. Thank you for the useful information. Not sure I want to risk it, thanks. Martinevans123 (talk) 16:55, 7 May 2016 (UTC) p.s. why not make the copy-vio check tool more available to editors, so they can check their own work?
 * Here's a good tool: https://tools.wmflabs.org/copyvios/ — Diannaa (talk) 21:56, 7 May 2016 (UTC)
 * Ah, hours of fun. Thanks for your patients. Martinevans123 (talk) 22:10, 7 May 2016 (UTC)

No need to send thanks
Hi Martin, no need to send thanks for our generosity with our washed-up politicos - you're very welcome! (But some cash in a brown envelope would be appreciated...) Or you could just blame your compatriots and their reckless voting behaviour. JezGrove (talk) 19:19, 6 May 2016 (UTC)
 * Local elections? Just pants, aren't they? But the Hamilton's are matchless. ... I'm more of a Bryant and May man, myself! Martinevans123 (talk) 19:39, 6 May 2016 (UTC) ... but great to enjoy a bit of wood in the valleys.
 * Reckless and Hamilton as AMs? HTF did that happen? Couldn't resist tangling them up a bit. A cad enrols methinks ... Robevans123 (talk) 20:19, 6 May 2016 (UTC)
 * Yes, chilling I know. But at least Wales has it's famous rock?? One might as well vote for "Eric". Snare Main Tv 123 (talk) 20:53, 6 May 2016 (UTC)
 * Didn't realise Hamilton was a Fleur-de-Lis boy...Robevans123 (talk) 12:54, 7 May 2016 (UTC)

Mr Hamilton, in this picture, brings you to the George Hamilton IV page.173.72.63.96 (talk) 02:03, 15 October 2016 (UTC)ImageMeOnTheMaginotLine
 * Yes, that's right.Just like this link leads you to the British political system and the Houses of Parliament.... Martinevans123 (talk) 08:36, 15 October 2016 (UTC)

Rockfield Rocks On
Interesting article - but profoundly disturbing when something from the time of your youth is now the subject of a museum exhibition and is being proposed as a heritage site... Robevans123 (talk) 12:54, 7 May 2016 (UTC)
 * That's very interesting. But yes, a bit profoundly disturbing! Martinevans123 (talk) 14:01, 7 May 2016 (UTC)
 * Yes - especially if you're only a sprightly would-be gold-digger... Robevans123 (talk) 14:18, 7 May 2016 (UTC)
 * Aw shucks, I wouldn't know 'bout that, old timer. lol Martinevans123 (talk) 14:36, 7 May 2016 (UTC) ... but yes, ahem, I do remember the Glory Days
 * Ha Ha! But what are the Dapper Dans carrying with them? Possibly tuning forks or dadaist stools, but I'm hoping it's for prodding young whippersnappers who need putting in their place. BTW it was I Hear You Knocking that made me aware of Rockfield. Robevans123 (talk) 15:09, 7 May 2016 (UTC)
 * Yes, indeed, thanks for the reminder. How wonderful that was. Six weeks at number one. . Martinevans123 (talk) 16:31, 7 May 2016 (UTC)

Genre for Bob Sinclar
As always I respect your opinion. Any thoughts on this that you might want to share?  Caden  cool  18:10, 7 May 2016 (UTC)
 * I'm surprised there's no genre at all listed. Did you find a source for House? What else is on the table? Italo disco?? I must say I prefer the film. Martinevans123 (talk) 18:18, 7 May 2016 (UTC)

The West Country Challenge
Hi, Are you going to join in at: WikiProject England/The West Country Challenge. I'd particularly appreciate your help with getting the right things included in the core articles & missing articles lists at this stage as we are still preparing for the contest.&mdash; Rod talk 20:28, 7 May 2016 (UTC)
 * Hi, Rod. Long time no see. I must say that I continue to be amazed by your diligence and the quality of your work. But having so recently snubbed poor Blowers over his Awake the Dragon project, I feel I'd be adding insult to injury! But I'll try and have a look round. Martinevans123 (talk) 20:41, 7 May 2016 (UTC)
 * I din't know you had snubbed anyone re the Dragon Project. The idea of this one is to have similar rules (as that worked well) but obviously for a different geography.&mdash; Rod talk 21:02, 7 May 2016 (UTC)
 * Yeah, me and Kepler we're pretty much soul buddies. No, I'm only joking. Blowers let me off as I had a doctor's note. Yes, it did work well and in general I think it's a great idea. Martinevans123 (talk) 21:53, 7 May 2016 (UTC)
 * I'm running the West Country one too, so not sure why it would be an insult to me haha! I do wish you'd been a bit more supportative of the Dragon one though.♦ Dr. Blofeld  06:29, 8 May 2016 (UTC)
 * OMG, there's no escape, is there. Yes, I wish I had too. I'll try and supportate this one, a bit. Martinevans123 (talk) 10:15, 8 May 2016 (UTC)

Greetings Pop Picker
Good to see that after bubbling under the top 500 you're straight in at number... 500, with some great riffs on the themes of comedy, tragedy, romance, and all-embracing ecumenicalism. Is that a great mix? Not Arf! Still got some work to do to catch up with the great Welsh tenor! Robevans123 (talk) 06:31, 11 May 2016 (UTC)
 * Ah yes, dear old Fluff! We can all blame him for my love of PROG. "At The Sign Of The Swinging Cymbal" by Brian Fahey and his Orchestra, still sounds fine to me, and..... "You ain't seen nothing yet!" Martinevans123 (talk) 07:48, 11 May 2016 (UTC)

How on earth do you do it...
Like cider on a hot day, I find your constant links to subjects from discussions most refreshing. You're either very well travelled, or you sit on Google, constantly. I really don't know how you do it, but bravo, nonetheless!  Cassianto <sup style="font-family:Papyrus;">Talk   12:41, 11 May 2016 (UTC)
 * Alas, Wikipedia has permanently re-wired by brain .... welcome to the dark side. Martinevans123 (talk) 12:47, 11 May 2016 (UTC)
 * I suspect surgical damage myself... JezGrove (talk) 23:00, 11 May 2016 (UTC)
 * "W.I. strawberry jam" anyone? Martinevans123 (talk) 23:02, 11 May 2016 (UTC)

We can't all be Leanne Wood
Hi Martin, I know we can't all be as gorgeous as Leanne, but for some reason the WP article Body Gossip has been put forward for deletion. I've expanded the page a little but if you get a chance perhaps you could take a look and see what you think? Personally, unless it's a blatant case of self-promotion I'd rather see a rubbish stub ready to be improved than no article at all, and I've certainly seen articles that I consider to be more worthy candidates for deletion. JezGrove (talk) 22:56, 11 May 2016 (UTC)
 * Good God, man, you think I'm up for doing shady undercover RfD deals?? Martinevans123 (talk) 23:06, 11 May 2016 (UTC)
 * That was quick – the article is being kept, and only minutes after I mentioned it here. Your powers are magical, shady deals or not! (Though keeping the rain away during the filming of Y Gwyll must have tested even your powers - I’ve given up expecting actual downpours and am looking for signs of wet tarmac now…) JezGrove (talk) 23:17, 11 May 2016 (UTC)
 * Darn it! I've not seen that yet! But you can't beat a bit of magic .... which of course translates as De Dannan: . Martinevans123 (talk)
 * Spoiler alert: nobody drowns - the special effects budget must have been HUGE! (Although looking at the forecast for Aber it will be after the weekend before normality resumes.) And living in a dry county probably isn't so great, anyway JezGrove (talk) 23:43, 11 May 2016 (UTC)
 * Hmmm, I wonder why Mr Hamilton thinks everyone can be bought? He might have chosen to sell his soul, but I don’t think Leanne 'would' (yikes, that was bad!) But great to see UKIP in Wales getting off to a flying start – now that they've scraped the barrel, perhaps they could have a look behind the fridge! (And of course, the last time the 'cheap date' jibe was deployed in the Senedd it went SO well). JezGrove (talk) 19:46, 18 May 2016 (UTC)
 * Ah yes, I remember that cheap date very well, as it happens, and I was gagging for an e-cig too, if not a good old "Woody". I didn't get where I am today by not having a few sluts behind the fridge, I can tell you. And I'm certainly warming to our Hammy who has more than a touch of nobility about him. Martinevans123 (talk) 20:15, 18 May 2016 (UTC) p.s. did you know that Hamilton Mausoleum holds the records for the world's longest echo.
 * Is it of our Neil hearing how well his speech went down and shouting 'Aaaaaaaaaarrrrrrrggggghh'? JezGrove (talk) 20:26, 18 May 2016 (UTC)
 * Come come, now, that's all a very long time ago. Martinevans123 (talk) 20:35, 18 May 2016 (UTC)
 * And anyway I've just heard Leigh Ann's a bit busy. She's just popped down to Beddau to get a garden stone frog and a huge roll of plastic sheeting. Martinevans123 (talk) 17:59, 19 May 2016 (UTC)
 * Very good - although I'm not sure they should be leaping to conclusions about the cause of death. As you might have seen, another Royston resident didn't make the news for once, which makes a change. JezGrove (talk) 21:55, 19 May 2016 (UTC)
 * Yes, I heard that. He was Head Quarryman... I imagine. And I almost believed that story, but then thought "nah, Mepal can't be a real name!" Martinevans123 (talk) 22:06, 19 May 2016 (UTC) Royston?? Royston Vasey, more like!
 * I could invite you here, but "you'll never leave". JezGrove (talk) 22:21, 19 May 2016 (UTC)
 * Hahahahahahahaha ... *tears* Martinevans123 (talk) 22:27, 19 May 2016 (UTC)

Victoria Wood
She remains covered by BLP as a recently dead person. We can't use tabloid sources to back up anything on this article. Try to find better sources. If you can, add them to the article. If you can't, that's a good indicator that it is garbage that never belonged on Wikipedia in the first place. --John (talk) 21:49, 15 May 2016 (UTC)
 * Ah, enjoying a little pruning, are we? It's not garbage. The Daily Mail is not everyone's favourite source, but it has been agreed as being perfectly good for material that is not controversial - that was the consensus from the last discussion at WP:RS. You think a quote from Desert Island Discs and the fact that her father bought her a piano are "controversial"? Words fail me. Martinevans123 (talk) 21:59, 15 May 2016 (UTC)

A kitten for you!
Please see footage of opening of snack bar at

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BQWGasWzew8

Geekpie (talk) 10:45, 17 May 2016 (UTC) <br style="clear: both;"/>
 * Thanks so much for the lovely "Glitter Snack Kitten". Yes, I saw that video last year when this came up and I'm not sure that anything at YT can be used as an WP:RS. So yes, you're right, but we need a better source. I'll not revert again but I suspect that many others way do. Martinevans123 (talk) 11:01, 17 May 2016 (UTC) ... and of course "West End" is not wrong, as Leicester Square is indeed in the West End.... and does the exact location or address of the snack bar actually get shown in the video?

Plural v. singular verb for a common noun (List_of_common_misconceptions)
See Collective_noun -- "None" may take a plural or a singular verb, depending on the context. In this case the subject "none" is referring to "cases of individuals" which would take the plural verb "have", i.e., "cases... have", not "cases... has". (Note: "But none of them have..." is the same as "But none have...") Does this make sense?  Sparkie82 ( t • c )  23:21, 17 May 2016 (UTC)
 * Ah yes, "the plural verb is used because the context for "none" suggests more than one thing or person." That sounds quite reasonable and makes perfectly good sense to me. Thanks for pointing that out, although I don't see it listed amongst the 77 deadly sins! (yet) Martinevans123 (talk) 18:00, 18 May 2016 (UTC)


 * None' suggests more than one." Only you could fall for that one, A Man Inverts.  E Eng  19:19, 18 May 2016 (UTC)
 * If the choice is between sand and stanton, you know which way I'm gonna go. Martinevans123 (talk) 19:51, 18 May 2016 (UTC)

Yup it is him
I think, nuff said, thanks  --  BOD --  22:23, 19 May 2016 (UTC)
 * I'd spot that Highgate left-wing posturing anywhere. Let's hear it for dear old New Labour!! Martinevans123 (talk) 22:31, 19 May 2016 (UTC)

Your jukebox
I say, quack, quack! Just goes to show that crossover is cool! Robevans123 (talk) 10:12, 21 May 2016 (UTC)
 * Ah yes, I used to love "Bolero", didn't you?? Or is that like an Irish cardigan? I say if you're gonna do schmaltz, you might as well go the whole hog: . Martinevans123 (talk) 13:32, 21 May 2016 (UTC) *wipes single tiny tear from eye*
 * What magic moments - such quality. But for me, there's only one game in town. Robevans123 (talk) 15:54, 21 May 2016 (UTC)
 * Arggggghhhhh! Pass those kleenex, dearie. This is getting worse than a teen weepie matinee. ....if I can just struggle on until tomorrow.... sob.... Martinevans123 (talk) 16:00, 21 May 2016 (UTC) ... but just to make amends.... best rhythm guitar backing ever??
 * Brilliant - haven't heard that for years. 6 minutes 21 seconds well spent! Robevans123 (talk) 17:51, 21 May 2016 (UTC)
 * It's a total classic. That very simple funk rhythm backing (that allegedly cost $15) and the glittering keys were rarely bettered in my book! Martinevans123 (talk) 18:15, 21 May 2016 (UTC)
 * ... and not a million miles away, is this gem. Martinevans123 (talk) 20:48, 23 May 2016 (UTC)

Question 101
I'm going to have to go with "C" or "100%".

If you pick either "A" or "D", at "25%", then it's because there's a 1/4 chance that you're correct, and therefore, your answer is correct.

However, if you go with "B" at "50%", then it's because 1/2 of those answers were "25%", which would both be correct, and therefore, your answer is correct.

Finally, if you go with "C" at "100%", then it's because any of those answers were correct, and all of those answers imply the previous answers to be correct, and therefore, your answer is correct.

"C". I choose "C". 100%.

KnowledgeBattle (Talk) | ──╤╦︻ GodlessInfidel ︻╦╤── 18:16, 21 May 2016 (UTC)


 * After 7 years, I'm so glad someone's finally got it! And you win tonight's star prize: . Martinevans123 (talk) 18:27, 21 May 2016 (UTC) p.s. that bass is like a huge shimmering golden moonlit wave, don'tcha think?


 * ... :-O You've had that up for 7 years, and no one's attempted that question? :-O
 * And yes, the music is nice. Thanks for sharing. :-)
 * KnowledgeBattle (Talk) | ──╤╦︻ GodlessInfidel ︻╦╤── 22:35, 21 May 2016 (UTC)


 * Many people don't even attempt a question on this Talk Page. Joni's music is all about sharing, I think. Thank you for your gratifying entry. Martinevans123 (talk) 22:51, 21 May 2016 (UTC)

than you
Martin. Mom lived a long (93 years) adventurous life, I would write and article about her if I could, but I can't. I already did on pseudo article about Dad and that's pushing it. But it was nice to hear from you, Einar aka Carptrash (talk) 21:27, 21 May 2016 (UTC)

EgyptAir
Hi, The number of survivors are shown in many (if not all) other accident articles (Eg. Adam Air Flight 574, Metrojet Flight 9268). I understand that readers are not idiots, but since other article follow this convention regardless of whether there are any survivors or not, I don't see a reason not to include it.

Guysayshi (talk) 11:45, 22 May 2016 (UTC)Guysayshi


 * Sorry to revert you. Yes, my only reason is that adding redundant information like that treats the reader as an idiot. If this is a firm guideline for Template:Infobox aircraft occurrence, then I will not revert again. If it is defined as a mandatory field, I think we may need a change in the guideline. I'm generally in favour of infoboxes (even for classical musicians), and I like to see consistency, but I think slavishly following all the parameters in the box every time, just for the sake of consistency, is a bit short-sighted. Martinevans123 (talk) 11:54, 22 May 2016 (UTC)

Thanks for the reply. In the example given in Template:Infobox aircraft occurrence on Pam Am Flight 103, number of survivor(s) (zero) is/are shown despite the deaths of all people on board the plane. It seems strange that number of people missing (zero) is also shown. As of EgyptAir MS 804, I would keep the survivors field blank, I guess. This aside, I really wish there were survivors...

Guysayshi (talk) 12:50, 22 May 2016 (UTC)Guysayshi

most welcome feast of joy
pictured (not the bird, the music below), - more fun than being called to ANI, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:14, 22 May 2016 (UTC)
 * How lovely. Thanks so much, am listening now (from somewhere just across the border, apparently). Martinevans123 (talk) 12:36, 22 May 2016 (UTC)
 * Another five minutes or so well spent listening to a joyous feast. I was going to joke about tuning into Radiopedia, and found that there is one (but it's not quite what I had in mind). Robevans123 (talk) 12:51, 22 May 2016 (UTC)
 * You may also like this petitesse, then, mostly joyous with a desolate ending like a question mark (beware, OR, and it's not in the article) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:12, 6 June 2016 (UTC)

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 * Sorry, but I have other irons in the fire. Martinevans123 (talk) 17:46, 6 June 2016 (UTC)

Brian
Martin, bite, also irony doesn't transfer well on-line unless you know the person. Hence our early protracted wars. Ceoil (talk) 12:38, 6 June 2016 (UTC)
 * Ah yes, I'm always biting off a lot more newbie that I can chew, aren't I. My editing skills transfer even less well most of the time. I have assumed totally good faith with John our family tree man. But thanks for the kind reminder. Would you like me to go and retract all of my comments there? Martinevans123 (talk) 12:46, 6 June 2016 (UTC)
 * Not really. I enjoy your comments mostly, but maybe you could engage the man, rather than just simply take the piss. We were all nebs here at one stage, perhaps with not such bold claims, but whatever. I fancy he is an older gentleman, and I always think of my own father and if he was to venture out into the deepest internet's backwater sink holes. Ceoil (talk) 12:53, 6 June 2016 (UTC)
 * Ah, Ceoil, you and your old quaint Mexican haunts, lol. Martinevans123 (talk) 13:00, 6 June 2016 (UTC)
 * Your a very baffling individual. Ceoil (talk) 13:02, 6 June 2016 (UTC)
 * More baffled than baffling methinks... Robevans123 (talk) 15:35, 6 June 2016 (UTC)
 * I can often be found lurking in the shadows, alas. Martinevans123 (talk) 15:57, 6 June 2016 (UTC)
 * Regarding your edit summary here, "Baffling pigs" was a genuine mnemonic in the financial services industry, for the countries using the Euro (Belgium, Austria, Finland, France, Luxembourg, Ireland, Netherlands, Germany, Portugal, Italy, Greece, Spain). Then those pesky Slovakians and Estonians joined up and spoiled it. &#8209; Iridescent 16:03, 6 June 2016 (UTC)
 * Easy - Baffling Pigs would become Spiffing Bagels. Can I get a well-paid job at Canary Wharf now please? Robevans123 (talk) 16:19, 6 June 2016 (UTC)
 * Yo, nuff RESPEC' Iri-decent..... I always knew that Portugal, Italy, Greece, Spain were essentially pigs. But I get them confused with PIGIS, thanks to Paddy McGinty's swine. Any anyway, adding Estonians and Slovakians just makes PIGSES. Martinevans123 (talk) 17:06, 6 June 2016 (UTC)
 * Martin, I was going to throw you an Eno tune to throw water under the bridge, but his representatives dont want us listening on you tube, seemingly. I got you this second rate Bauhaus cover instead. Its not exactly a pigs sow, but not the dogs bollix I wanted either. Ceoil (talk) 17:09, 6 June 2016 (UTC)
 * Well, thanks, but that's really just like throwing petrol onto the general pork bonfire here, isn't it!?? Martinevans123 (talk) 17:16, 6 June 2016 (UTC) p.s. don't worry, Ceoil, you're not a swine, really.
 * You obv haven't been following my contribs, block log, or the que between here and my inevitable date with arbcom ;) If I tool up I reckon I have a fight chance. Ceoil (talk) 17:24, 6 June 2016 (UTC)
 * Yes, you stand an excellent chance. Martinevans123 (talk) 17:33, 6 June 2016 (UTC)
 * Ahem. I'll get my coat. Ceoil (talk) 18:07, 6 June 2016 (UTC)
 * But I'm glad we've made up at last. Martinevans123 (talk) 18:09, 6 June 2016 (UTC)

HM
. -- Softlavender (talk) 09:40, 7 June 2016 (UTC)
 * Ah, how very touching. Great to see the Duchess of Brenda giving us a little peep of her private world. Martinevans123 (talk) 11:09, 7 June 2016 (UTC)

Concorde
I think the detail about the inspection is not important. The inspection would have been performed before the Continental even took off and lost its strip, leaving it essentially worthless in this case. -- 143.85.169.19 (talk) 22:29, 8 June 2016 (UTC)
 * I suggest you take to the Talk Page for such a major change. It's been like that for quite a while? Your edit summary was not sufficiently convincing, for me anyway. Thanks. Martinevans123 (talk) 22:33, 8 June 2016 (UTC)
 * I will be restoring the rest of the edits I had made other than that while the topic is discussed then. -- 143.85.169.19 (talk) 22:36, 8 June 2016 (UTC)
 * It turns out I'm not the only one to notice this problem. More credence to the fact that it should be removed. -- 143.85.169.19 (talk) 22:49, 8 June 2016 (UTC)
 * Thanks for telling me. Any discussion is better placed at Talk:Air France Flight 4590. Martinevans123 (talk) 07:51, 9 June 2016 (UTC)

DYK for David Nott
Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 00:01, 15 June 2016 (UTC)
 * Thanks for including me on this, Cas Liber - I had no idea! But, my privilege. Just one of the many notable Welsh Notts, of course. Martinevans123 (talk) 12:20, 15 June 2016 (UTC)
 * What actually happened was that I added you and Charles to the credit list in the DYK nomination when you made several edits to the new article. When Casliber cranked the handle to put the DYK onto the mainpage, a bot processed that list to distribute messages like this.  The DYK process is quite complicated and there are many such steps in assembling and posting the batches. Andrew D. (talk) 13:49, 16 June 2016 (UTC)
 * Thanks Andrew, and well done. I'm certainly not complaining! You deserve 95% of the credit. I'll gladly settle for less than 5%! Martinevans123 (talk) 13:58, 16 June 2016 (UTC)
 * The nice thing about such credit is that it can be multiplied and shared without loss. But if you want more to do, please take a look at this list.  You'll be familiar with the issues from our work elsewhere... Andrew D. (talk) 10:40, 17 June 2016 (UTC)
 * Many thanks for that link. An interesting article which the general reader will probably find fascinating and may well act as a "first step into Wikipedia" for the casual internet browser. I think exactly the same issues apply as at List of unusual deaths, which of course has had some of our "serious editors" veritably foaming at the mouth in the course of its 8+ RfDs. Martinevans123 (talk) 11:26, 17 June 2016 (UTC)

Don't look now
But the overlord of prog organ is on Wikipedia...... <b style="color:#7F007F">Ritchie333</b> <sup style="color:#7F007F">(talk) <sup style="color:#7F007F">(cont)  11:40, 15 June 2016 (UTC)
 * Wow dude, we are truly not worthy. Unless he's just bluffing, of course. And I guess he'll soon be indeffed for WP:COI... but I must try to say hello before he is. Martinevans123 (talk) 12:17, 15 June 2016 (UTC) I thought he was just an underlord, anyway?! . Martinevans123 (talk) 12:17, 15 June 2016 (UTC)

User talk:73.133.140.233
Hope that helps. --RexxS (talk) 00:46, 16 June 2016 (UTC)
 * 1) The guideline is that any editor can remove any content they choose from their talk pages, except for declined block appeals while the block is in effect (and a couple of other minor items). They are entitled to remove block notices. WP:BLANKING
 * 2) The convention is that blocked editors should only use their talk pages for discussing or appealing their block. You are allowed to discourage the IP from developing article content on their talk page while blocked, although it's normally not worth worrying about.
 * 3) An IP doesn't have a link to Special:MyPage/Sandbox, so although they can create one if they know how, it's probably not productive to suggest that they should use it to practise editing.
 * Yes, that's very useful, thanks. I had forgotten IPs don't have a sandbox. I must admit I've seen wide variation in how the Talk Pages of blocked editors are treated. I was rather thrown by the comment of User:Ponyo who said "I pulled their talk page access. It's clear they don't intend to request an unblock". I must have assumed this somehow meant the repeated restoration of Talk Page content had been justified. That was the only reason I intervened. And I made a mistake by restoring content in order to complete my posts - I was trying to engage the IP in dialogue, but I should have just started a new thread regardless. Perhaps I was a little naive expecting any reply. Is User:2001:558:6020:161:25DF:CBA7:CD64:6450 a sockpuppet? Looks very much like it. Hard to know who User:2602:306:3357:BA0:3564:6A6E:3B00:BB6D is. Good luck with those two. I guess trying to deal with the constant tidal wave of vandalism is one reason why editors end up leaving the project, as it often seems to be a complete waste of time. Who knows, perhaps we are short of admins. On seconds thoughts - none of it is worth (me) worrying about. Martinevans123 (talk) 07:05, 16 June 2016 (UTC)

You're welcome
I had a feeling you'd like that birthday bit. Happy belated! InedibleHulk (talk) 07:56, 16 June 2016 (UTC)
 * Haha, yes, how lovely. Good advice. Ahem, yes it's a while since my own 18th, I must admit. Martinevans123 (talk) 07:59, 16 June 2016 (UTC)
 * I'd just meant belated since whatever your last one was. But cheers to the inexorable march, anyway! Decent little tune there. Thanks. InedibleHulk (talk) 09:02, 16 June 2016 (UTC)

Reflinks
Please be careful with Reflinks, it's changing other links as in your edit. Mlpearc ( open channel ) 22:33, 18 June 2016 (UTC)
 * Thanks. I usually try to scan everything it does before accepting. I must have missed that. Could you recommend a better/ cleaner tool? It's not good on date formats. Martinevans123 (talk) 22:36, 18 June 2016 (UTC)
 * Sorry no, the author has been made, as it's been happening to others also.  Mlpearc  ( open channel ) 22:42, 18 June 2016 (UTC)
 * Thanks very much for the note. One comes to depend on tools so much. Martinevans123 (talk) 22:46, 18 June 2016 (UTC)


 * STOP using reflinks if you can not review your changes  Mlpearc  ( open channel ) 15:07, 19 June 2016 (UTC)
 * The problem here was two internal links instead of one? Or was it the introduction of a redirect? Are we expecting the redirect for Member of Parliament (UK) to change some time soon? It leads to exactly the same place as Member of parliament? Martinevans123 (talk) 15:13, 19 June 2016 (UTC)
 * It's not about ending up at the same place, it's about not using a redirect when it's not needed. The problem are users not using scripts they way they are supposed to. Just review your edit before saving, simple.  Mlpearc  ( open channel ) 15:28, 19 June 2016 (UTC)
 * That was my first use of REFLINKS again there after your polite request of last night. I reviewed my edit. I made a decision that the other changes were not problematic. I judged the second link useful and the replacement of the section link by the redirect as irrelevant. Perhaps we ought to agree exactly which additional actions that REFLINKS performs are a problem. I didn't realise it was such an ENORMOUS PROBLEM. Martinevans123 (talk) 15:37, 19 June 2016 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

 * That's very kind of you, W. Carter. And you have the good sense and humility to admit when you've made a mistake, even a very small one. We just don't see enough of that! Cheers to you also. Martinevans123 (talk) 20:52, 19 June 2016 (UTC)

If only Hafs was still around....
If only Hafs was still around... emotional Martinevans123 (talk) 21:15, 19 June 2016 (UTC)

3 - 0!!!!



 * An amazing performance Martin. Well done. You should be very proud. Few pints of Brains tonight? --John (talk) 20:58, 20 June 2016 (UTC)
 * "Skull Attack here we come"..... Martinevans123 (talk) 21:04, 20 June 2016 (UTC)
 * For once, let someone else be the one posting the gratuitous Youtube link. &#8209; Iridescent 21:18, 20 June 2016 (UTC)
 * Haha, yes please, be my guest. How wonderful. I could not have made a better choice. Already rushing off to add at "Use in popular culture" in Do not go gentle into that good night. Martinevans123 (talk) 21:23, 20 June 2016 (UTC) ... unless someone gets there first, of course...
 * Ahem. I'm still not sure whether you actually watched the whole game, as I have not seen anyone use the phrase "like three-legged donkeys on ice-skates". Martinevans123 (talk) 13:13, 21 June 2016 (UTC)
 * Altogether, now.... "One Gareth Bay-yul, There's only one Gareth Bay-yul, One Gareth Baaaay-yul..." etc., etc. Martinevans123 (talk) 21:06, 21 June 2016 (UTC)
 * And good luck tonight to the Boys in Green... who, if they don't win, can always fix car roofs. Martinevans123 (talk) 18:15, 22 June 2016 (UTC) Well done Ireland!! Fully deserved.
 * And well done mighty Iceland! Supported in France by 8% of the country's entire population. If only their commentator could have been a little more emotional? Martinevans123 (talk) 22:10, 22 June 2016 (UTC)
 * It sounds better if you say "They played with 0.01% of their adult male population behind the ball". (Really. Do the maths yourself if you don't believe it.) &#8209; Iridescent 22:17, 22 June 2016 (UTC)
 * How amazing. Whereas... "In England, the prevalence of obesity among adults rose from 14.9% to 25.6% between 1993 and 2014". Martinevans123 (talk) 22:29, 22 June 2016 (UTC) p.s. special 3-for-2 offer on Black Forest Gateaux this week only.
 * On the other hand, according to New Scientist obesity in Whales is in decline (I blame the EU's fishing quotas - though possibly not for long...)! Those Icelandic commentators are typical tight-lipped northerners – I’m sure they could learn a thing or two from the stoical and entirely unemotional response of the Italians when they win/lose against Spain on Monday! Speaking of defying stereotypes, of course England won’t be crashing out the same day… well, ok we probably will. But it would be no bad thing if underdogs Iceland replicate the feat achieved by Denmark in the ’92 finals - the amazing breaks made by the Laudrup brothers back then were unforgettable. JezGrove (talk) 22:38, 22 June 2016 (UTC)
 * Yes, superb weren't they, especially with those Danish matchstalk cats and dogs. Martinevans123 (talk) 22:43, 22 June 2016 (UTC)
 * On current form, England couldn’t light a fire even with matchsticks. Though they could soon be singing "I ain't got no matches but I still got a long way to go" as they head home. BTW, I’d be happy to see Wales go all the way, too - Gareth Bales' goal from that free kick was worth so much more than the two scrappy ones we managed to scramble into the net! JezGrove (talk) 23:01, 22 June 2016 (UTC)
 * Never mind a fire, us Swedes can't even light a fart. — Nattuggla (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 00:29, 23 June 2016 (UTC)
 * Brilliant. But ecologically sound. Martinevans123 (talk) 10:23, 23 June 2016 (UTC)

"Those teardrop tattoos are now tears of joy". So unlucky Croatia. Gutted. Martinevans123 (talk) 21:41, 25 June 2016 (UTC)
 * What a performance!! Heavens to Murgatroyd the dream final of Wales v Iceland is still possible!! Likely probably not but possible :-) Cheers. MarnetteD&#124;Talk 21:01, 27 June 2016 (UTC)
 * Those first six minutes were quite good, but things went down hill after Rooney scored. Who knows, Iceland might go all the way. (I'm saying nothing about old geezers full of hot air). Martinevans123 (talk) 21:25, 27 June 2016 (UTC)
 * I gotta say your WP:EGGs are the best :-) Many thanks. MarnetteD&#124;Talk 21:28, 27 June 2016 (UTC)
 * "This guy goes to a psychiatrist and says, 'Doc, my brother's crazy, he thinks he's a chicken.' And the doctor says, 'Well why don't you turn him in?' and the guy says, 'I would, but I need the eggs.'" - Woody Allen, Annie Hall. Martinevans123 (talk) 21:49, 27 June 2016 (UTC)

Staying in?
I'll probably regret making this early prediction, but I'm taking off my bra and relaxing (metaphorically, you understand). Forget Brexit, it looks like we'll get Bralaxtit. Of course, we'll soon find out if I lacked support - in which case it will be down to Nige's voters crawling over broken glass (sounds like he must drink in a REALLY classy pub...) JezGrove (talk) 22:37, 23 June 2016 (UTC)
 * Don't worry, Jezza... me and Nigel know "just how you feel". We'll be in the dog house tomorrow. I'll just duck out of this one. Martinevans123 (talk) 22:59, 23 June 2016 (UTC)
 * ... I think we both know that the people Of Great Britain would never be so stupid as to turn their backs on Johnny Frog and Klaus Kraut. "People of Europe we salute you"... just off to the bookies now to collect my winnings.
 * Sigh - still, I wasn’t the only one getting their early predictions wrong. Baby, What a Big Surprise! JezGrove (talk) 08:48, 24 June 2016 (UTC)
 * England and Wales 2 - Northern Ireland and Scotland 2 (England and Wales win on number of corners). Time to move to Scotland and hope for some more referendums (or should that be referenda?)...
 * I demand a recount... one of those votes followed a clear offside and one of the others followed a crippling foul!! Penalty shootout, anyone?? Martinevans123 (talk) 10:41, 24 June 2016 (UTC)


 * Does this mean that Wales and England have to pull out of the Eurozone (leaving a place for Scotland)? Robevans123 (talk) 08:53, 24 June 2016 (UTC)
 * Penalty shootout, anyone? Martinevans123 (talk) 10:46, 24 June 2016 (UTC) don't worry, when all this fuss dies down, Cameron has promised me a nice cushy job selling bent bananas in Brussels.
 * I take it all back - Vote Leave have delivered exactly what they promised, and on Day 1! "We'll take back control of our borders!" Of course, you sometimes have to be careful what you wish for… ps: I (sort of) understand the reasons for the Sunderland referendum result, but what was going on in Wales? (With some magnificent exceptions, of course). JezGrove (talk) 22:30, 24 June 2016 (UTC)
 * Yes, funny that, isn't it. And we must have all imagined they'd never notice. "Ah weel say zees only warnce... we are totarly fooked". (It's probably a ploy by the secret exponents of "Llap Goch" to take over the world...) Martinevans123 (talk) 22:45, 24 June 2016 (UTC) p.s. so long and thanks for all the lemmings
 * Haha. You're welcome to the lemmings - although I suspect only slightly more than 50% were stupid enough to jump, and the rest were pushed. Was the image you conjured up of Leanne as "First Dai" intentional? JezGrove (talk) 22:49, 24 June 2016 (UTC)
 * I admit, shamefully, it was. But it's all very baffling. Even Monmouthshire was incredibly close - in fact, I thought this was the kind of result that would be reflected nationally. Martinevans123 (talk) 23:07, 24 June 2016 (UTC) It's at times like these that I reach for my trusty vinyl ZZ Top and feel grateful for small mercies.
 * One feels sorry for Scotland, now that Boris and Nigel have persuaded us all to leave Europe. Martinevans123 (talk) 23:23, 24 June 2016 (UTC) . [EU warning: this comment may be partly recycled.]
 * "And the grass is greener
 * On the other side
 * That's where I want to be
 * Somewhere that she can really see."

I was reminded of a story my grandfather used to tell, recounted to me by my father, of someone he knew who was once driving his old Morris van, at night time, on the A479. Descending the steep hill on that road, between Talgarth and Builth, he found his brakes had failed and he careered through the hedge and turned the van upside down. As he sat there, trapped in his van, he began to hear the sound of petrol dripping into the interior from the upturned petrol tank. Searching frantically in his pockets, he was relieved to find his pen-knife. He reportedly would later say: "I was so lucky because I knew if the van caught fire at least I'd be able to cut my throat!" Lucky indeed, but he survived his ordeal. Martinevans123 (talk) 20:06, 25 June 2016 (UTC) p.s. how much will it cost to change all of these back to that nice blue colour?


 * Ha ha! Was he a Dibbler? It's all been a bit of an own goal... Robevans123 (talk) 10:52, 26 June 2016 (UTC)
 * Well yes, it seems he may have been. But after that wonderfully sharpened penknife expertly provided by Boris and Nigel, it looks like the knives are out over at Corbyn Towers. Altogether now.... "They smile in your face, but all the time they want to take your place...". Martinevans123 (talk) 11:19, 26 June 2016 (UTC)
 * I don't know - I think he has lots of support in front of him... Robevans123 (talk) 11:40, 26 June 2016 (UTC)
 * Oooo, wikid vid, dude.... like the bleakest ever episode of Wallander, but with added blackness. Martinevans123 (talk) 11:53, 26 June 2016 (UTC)
 * p.s. but that catchy ringtone is quite a meme, isn't it? Martinevans123 (talk) 10:55, 27 June 2016 (UTC)
 * For me it was the most memorable part of the Branagh version - much preferred the Henriksson version, although Branagh was better matched in age for the later episodes he then spent most of his time staring meaningfully into the middle distance... Robevans123 (talk) 11:53, 27 June 2016 (UTC)
 * Haha. Yes, I agree, I much prefer the original Swedish version, which just seems more authentic. All that mumbling and hesitation; and the Alzheimer's just makes it worse - he can barely finish a sentence. Martinevans123 (talk) 12:16, 27 June 2016 (UTC)

Unnecessary date
Must confess I wasn't sure what do do here, but it makes more sense not to have it. This is Paul (talk) 16:35, 24 June 2016 (UTC)
 * Yes, me too. Not wrong, but a bit unnecessary and slightly confusing, I thought. So hearings are occasionally delayed? Big news! Martinevans123 (talk) 17:27, 24 June 2016 (UTC)
 * I had a lot of unnecessary dates in my life, until I hooked up with Tinder. Might I suggest Grindr. -- Softlavender (talk) 12:38, 27 June 2016 (UTC)
 * How very inclusive of you, "Old Softie". I'm sure either would do fine, at a push, thanks. Martinevans123 (talk) 12:42, 27 June 2016 (UTC) p.s. you can't beat proper grinding, but I do like a bit of instant now and then.

One hump or two?
Yes, as you might have guessed, I found a Camel LP lurking at the back of the cupboard, and cleaned it up and gave it a spin. Meanwhile, shouldn't this read "Bee Gee"? <b style="color:#7F007F">Ritchie333</b> <sup style="color:#7F007F">(talk) <sup style="color:#7F007F">(cont)  13:17, 27 June 2016 (UTC)
 * Not too sure. I think their spirits live on (probably in that beard). Martinevans123 (talk) 13:26, 27 June 2016 (UTC) p.s. 'ere mate, I found a whole box of camels hidin' in the back of me sideboard the uvver night! What a cheek...  coming over 'ere, replacin' our good British fags!!

Failures in football and politics – but we’ll be resilient, and who wanted to be in the Euros anyway?!
Now there's a surprise – England's lacklustre millionaire footballers beaten by a country that doesn't even have a single professional team, and which has only one resident who plays the game for money... Still, now that Roy Hodgson has resigned perhaps we could have a job share? It looks like Corbyn could be out of work soon and looking to exploit his experience of motivating left wingers, and though Cameron's attempts to play on the outside-right have clearly failed, he will soon be available to offer his skills (?) as a defensive midfielder. BTW, good luck against Belgium! JezGrove (talk) 22:36, 27 June 2016 (UTC) Oops! I meant to say "and which has only one resident who plays the game for money in the (English – and Welsh, well sort of) Premier League". Still, perhaps my total ignorance of the game will see me leading the English team to oblivion in 2020? Though not before I’ve got my tax affairs in order, obviously … (I’d brand myself as incurably delusional, but Jeremy 'Hunt' is thinking of running for PM – we need that 'Brexit bonus' invested in mental health services, and fast!) JezGrove (talk) 22:55, 28 June 2016 (UTC)
 * Quite a few bottles of Head & Shoulders may be tipped down the drain over this, and the article Joe Hart is now semi-protected. He let in a goal that a Sunday League goalkeeper should have saved, but it wasn't all his fault that England were rubbish over the whole ninety minutes.-- ♦Ian Ma c M♦  (talk to me) 04:42, 28 June 2016 (UTC)
 * Yes, poor Woy. I thought his hair looked lovely. I demand a recount!! (- apparently if you get more signatures than the number of people in Leicester, Europe has to take you back.) As Jezza suggests, we need a new leader - someone who will make sure we're not the laughing stock of Europe!! Martinevans123 (talk) 07:43, 28 June 2016 (UTC) p.s. or else just bring a 18-year old out in the last three minutes and hope he can sort out the mess?
 * It's amazing to think how many people spend their hard-earned unemployment benefit on Sky subscriptions to pay the £150,000 a week salaries of England footballers. Since Italia 90, England have won only two games in the knockout stages of a major tournament (Denmark 3-0 in 2002 and Ecuador 1-0 in 2006 ) They lost all of the others, including Iceland last night. On this type of form, Elvis will turn up on Shergar before England win a major tournament.-- ♦Ian Ma c  M♦  (talk to me) 09:39, 28 June 2016 (UTC)
 * Yes, it's been like getting “goals from a rocking horse”, hasn’t it. But I think we'd need a more thoroughbred jockey, as the King is otherwise engaged. Martinevans123 (talk) 10:11, 28 June 2016 (UTC)
 * Bad luck, Poland, yet again Quaresma strikes. Just the big game tomorrow now.... Martinevans123 (talk) 22:00, 30 June 2016 (UTC)

He’s got Momentum – but is it taking him in the right direction?
I see Mr Corbyn has finally decided to put up a passionate fight for 'Remain' at last – a shame it's just when nearly everyone else appears to want him to support 'Leave'…. JezGrove (talk) 20:58, 29 June 2016 (UTC)
 * I know, let's have a Labour party referendum, closely followed by a national economic crisis and then a huge official petition expressing bitterness, frustration and regret. Blimey! those shadow cabinet members are now revolving faster than one of Tony's spin old doctors. But listen, Jezza... take a tip from our Nigel (who must be happy in his world) .... your supporters will be crawling over broken glass to vote for you. Martinevans123 (talk) 21:39, 29 June 2016 (UTC)
 * If you act quickly you could get your 15 minutes of time in the shadow cabinet. As long as you are willing to play along and vacate when the music starts up again in 15 minutes. Softlavender (talk) 05:55, 30 June 2016 (UTC)
 * Let's hope there'll be someone left around to turn out the light. Martinevans123 (talk) 10:34, 30 June 2016 (UTC)
 * ... Meanwhile, over at Camp Boris, now that he's been "completely knifed".... "Women of Britain Say Gove"!! Martinevans123 (talk) 12:19, 30 June 2016 (UTC)
 * Yes, about that .... If you would kindly leave your resume, I will fast-track it and put it at the top of the pile. We have an opening coming up in the position of "prime minister", and we haven't found a good fit yet. The previous employee is leaving us a bit in the lurch. I think you'd be a good fit, and we're all looking forward to having you on our team. Softlavender (talk) 12:26, 30 June 2016 (UTC)
 * A good fit, eh? Martinevans123 (talk) 12:32, 30 June 2016 (UTC)

Dodgy behaviour by Academy school’s pupils?
I've no idea what this tells us about the next leader of the UK, but one anagram of the Tory party leadership contenders' surnames - Crabb, Fox, Gove, Leadsom, May - is 'Foxglove Academy mobs bar'. Presumably it doesn't bode too well for former Education Secretary Gove? One thing I AM sure of is how glad I am that there's no 'r' in 'Gove', so I'm definitely NOT related (insert your own 'r's hole joke here…) JezGrove (talk) 22:31, 30 June 2016 (UTC)
 * (We're all still waiting for Jezza "Hunt" to throw his hat into the ring). Martinevans123 (talk) 22:47, 30 June 2016 (UTC)

FAC: Agharta (album)
Hi. Would you be interested in reviewing or commenting at this FAC nomination for Agharta (album)? More input would be appreciate, as it appears one reviewer has become inactive there. Dan56 (talk) 04:27, 1 July 2016 (UTC)
 * Thanks for asking. I'll try and take a look. I don't know that album at all, so that would be very interesting. It already looks very good. Martinevans123 (talk) 07:47, 1 July 2016 (UTC)
 * Sorry, Dan, busy with Neighbourhood Watch issues and watching some sporting hopefuls. I'm guessing Prism is not around. But it looks like Eddie Hugh has done a very thorough job. And you seem to be making very good improvements. I see there was also this one abandoned two years ago? Did you want me to do another complete review? Martinevans123 (talk) 14:49, 2 July 2016 (UTC)

Church Stoke
I think that your recent addition to Church Stoke is too close to the text in your cited source. This is shown by this tool. Close paraphrasing violates the Plagiarism policy. Please reword this section to summarise the cited source. Thanks, Verbcatcher (talk) 16:48, 1 July 2016 (UTC)
 * Thank you for your polite note, Verbcatcher. And thank you for not threatening to block me, as another editor did a short time ago, for a similar misdemeanour. Thanks also for the reminder of that useful tool. As my edit summary over there may have suggested, I was "having difficulty in paraphrasing what seem to be a set of clear facts". In fact, I seem to have particular difficulty with descriptions of places of architectural interest that can be found at official listings such as coflein.gov.uk. I think architectural terms are meant to be quite precise and cannot easily be paraphrased. And my own personal architectural vocabulary is, in any case, somewhat limited, I think. So I'm going to delete most that description and hope that someone (perhaps your good self?) could demonstrate how the source text can be adequately paraphrased. Thanks. Martinevans123 (talk) 17:50, 1 July 2016 (UTC)

3 - 1!!!!
"One of the finest performances in the history of British football" - Gary Lineker (talk) 20:53, 1 July 2016 (UTC)
 * Brilliant - really well-deserved! Portugal will be a breeze after Belgium, hopefully JezGrove (talk) 21:09, 1 July 2016 (UTC)   ....
 * Feels quite good, actually. Martinevans123 (talk) 21:13, 1 July 2016 (UTC)
 * Being English, I wouldn't know... JezGrove (talk) 21:21, 1 July 2016 (UTC)
 * My father enjoyed talking about a player getting "faked out of their jock strap" Well Robson-Kanu did that to three Belgians on that second goal :-) What a Friday night it is for the teams fans. Have a great weekend M and other tpw's. MarnetteD&#124;Talk 21:54, 1 July 2016 (UTC)
 * What a game! I could be tempted to switch codes! thoroughly entertained... Robevans123 (talk) 00:48, 2 July 2016 (UTC)
 * Congratulations Martin, bloody delighted! Watched in delieria. Ceoil (talk) 08:56, 2 July 2016 (UTC)
 * And comforting that Shogun Bale managed to survive the ravages of a demented giraffe in clown wig? Martinevans123 (talk) 17:36, 2 July 2016 (UTC)
 * Even more comforting that the win over Belgium wasn't reliant on a goal from Mr Bale - the team is stronger than some commentators had acknowledged. JezGrove (talk) 18:54, 2 July 2016 (UTC)
 * Yes, and a good job the matches are not all played late in the evening. Martinevans123 (talk) 19:01, 2 July 2016 (UTC)


 * "There was a young player named Özil,
 * Who's feet were a bit of a pözil,
 * He got a good hoof on
 * To slip one past Buffon
 * And showed that he wasn't a würzil."
 * ffs, Boeteng, this ain't Broadway! Martinevans123 (talk) 21:30, 2 July 2016 (UTC)
 * "I'm a great big penalty-taking Old Hector!" Martinevans123 (talk) 21:52, 2 July 2016 (UTC)
 * No-one ever misses penalties like that in a shootout with England, and God knows we need all the help we can get...!JezGrove (talk) 22:01, 2 July 2016 (UTC)
 * True, but at least we now know that Germany can miss. Martinevans123 (talk) 22:14, 2 July 2016 (UTC)

Portugal 2 - Wales 0. Two good goals. Wales, you still played really very well and deserved something on the scoreboard. Da iawn, tîm! Rydych chi wedi gwneud i ni ymfalchïo. Martinevans123 (talk) 20:56, 6 July 2016 (UTC)
 * Just desserts!JezGrove (talk) 09:59, 14 July 2016 (UTC)

Asa Bennett
Feel free to remove it if you think it's not important. After all, like you say he's not a well known journalist. This is Paul (talk) 15:40, 2 July 2016 (UTC)
 * Hi Paul. Thanks for the note. I must admit I am sceptical. I've seen other material removed by those who think "an opinion piece" is just that and is not of any consequence unless reported by someone notable, or "an expert". I think even broadsheet editorials don't always qualify for inclusion these days. Martinevans123 (talk) 15:43, 2 July 2016 (UTC)
 * Well at least I've heard of him now! Who said he's just a "poor man's" Robert Peston?? Martinevans123 (talk) 15:51, 2 July 2016 (UTC)
 * I must confess I wasn't familiar with him either. But I've removed it anyway, since really it states something that's fairly obvious. No doubt UKIP would have rallied its supporters to sign the petition had the result been to remain. This is Paul (talk) 15:56, 2 July 2016 (UTC)

A Gaelic Blessing
A Gaelic Blessing for you, deep peace, DYK? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:22, 6 July 2016 (UTC)
 * Thanks very much, Gerda. I'm sure I will enjoy that. Good luck tomorrow night! Martinevans123 (talk) 22:28, 6 July 2016 (UTC)
 * It's soft and gentle. - Sorry about you and your team, - need sleep, - "healing light" is part of the text --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:31, 6 July 2016 (UTC)
 * Don't be sorry for them! They played very well. Yes, we all need a bit of sleep I think. Light does indeed heal. Martinevans123 (talk) 22:36, 6 July 2016 (UTC)
 * waking up I remembered --Gerda Arendt (talk) 06:48, 7 July 2016 (UTC)
 * Don't worry Gerda, I'm not transforming into some kind of ungeheures Ungeziefer. (Well, no worse than usual, anyway.) Martinevans123 (talk) 07:12, 7 July 2016 (UTC) p.s. although it seems I'll keep everything anyway.
 * It'll be a lot more boring round here for a month. Keep smiling and enjoy the music. Robevans123 (talk) 07:35, 7 July 2016 (UTC)


 * I accept not to worry, see? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 09:46, 7 July 2016 (UTC)


 * Yes, I saw that amazing relief carving "first time round", as they say. The Cambridge Singers one has the words and music, which is useful. But I thought this one sounded "more live". (Let's hope there aren't any "unresolved copyright issues" to contend with). A beautiful piece. Martinevans123 (talk) 21:33, 7 July 2016 (UTC)


 * I sang under Rutter's (spontaneous) conducting hands once, - look for his name here, 1998. Never managed these so far. DYK that Ferdinand Dugué was written by an author banned on the French WP and working miracles here? So much talent wasted. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:45, 7 July 2016 (UTC)
 * Amazing. That that is an immense piece. But sounds so very English, haha. I must brush up on my French (I like the one with a silent D). Martinevans123 (talk) 21:59, 7 July 2016 (UTC)


 * He introduced the Magnificat to a hall full of choral conductors. We sang the Childhood Lyrics, he made a comment and then - surprise! - started conducting them, all five, in good spirits, and then said: "I completely forgot that I composed them." - Did you know that I wrote the Magnificat article? And the other? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:38, 7 July 2016 (UTC)
 * They both look great. Well done. Martinevans123 (talk) 22:57, 7 July 2016 (UTC)

New day, sweet way, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:06, 8 July 2016 (UTC)

ps: deep peace approved --Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:12, 8 July 2016 (UTC)

It took only 300 years to restore her good name. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:08, 10 July 2016 (UTC)

July 2016
There is currently a discussion at Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents regarding an issue with which you may have been involved. The thread is Request unblock of Martinevans123. Thank you. <b style="color:#7F007F">Ritchie333</b> <sup style="color:#7F007F">(talk) <sup style="color:#7F007F">(cont)  08:03, 30 July 2016 (UTC)

Abusing checkuser
outside Hi, I'm contacting you (and ) because I saw the ANI report and because I have the similar case as you.

Apparently, some experienced editors have found a nice loophole on how to ban any editor they wish.

Your ISP uses a certain range of ip addresses. For instance mine uses several ranges, one being 89.164.xxx.xxx. Apparently, the only thing that is needed to block a person is to accuse him of being a sock of someone who uses the same ISP. Then they both will have the same ip prefix and appear they are the same person.

I still haven't figured out the way they find ip behind a username. However, requesting cu until a suitable candidate is found can work, especially if a suitable candidate had used several isps.

I come from Croatia where User:Asdisis is that candidate. There are only a few isps in Croatia so it's not hard to ban a lot of people as socks.

Here's how to ban someone. The discussion. The user that you want to ban. The repeated cu requests outside spi.

Other cases that I had caught ->

My case: I'm being forbidden to post sources: 89.164.143.178 (talk) 15:14, 31 July 2016 (UTC) In fact, I know one way to get someone's ip. Cu editors can see it. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 89.164.143.178 (talk) 15:33, 31 July 2016 (UTC)
 * Look dude, you were suspected of being a sock of Asdisis, and CU confirmed that; no SPI report is necessary for a well-evidenced suspicion of sockpuppetry. Editing logged out is block evasion, and you will not be allowed to do that. Softlavender (talk) 15:47, 31 July 2016 (UTC)
 * I hear Dubrovnik is lovely at this time of year. Martinevans123 (talk) 20:40, 2 August 2016 (UTC)
 * Wouldn't know, never been there. Sorry if I bothered you, but I noticed that ani report. I don't believe an experienced user like you would edit while logged out with the same ip as logged in. You could always post from different places with different isps. Cu are faulty and abused in some cases. Anyways, it's stupid that someones vote should matter. Consensus isn't established by vote. Well in theory... 141.138.55.81 (talk) 01:26, 3 August 2016 (UTC)

August 2016
It's been a bit boring here without you around. Hope we'll see you around in a few days and that you've enjoyed your wikibreak! If you didn't catch the David Bowie BBC Prom - watch on the iPlayer - well worth it. Have you made it up to Abergavenny for the eistedfodd? Watching the crowning of the bard as I write. Whenever I see all those bardic robes I think it's going to break out into some Dennis Wheatley inspired ritual involving blood, altars and virgins, but you just get the dance of the wood nymphs... Robevans123 (talk) 16:24, 1 August 2016 (UTC)
 * Thanks for your message, Rob. I am, in fact, away on holiday. I've missed the Y Fenni grand robing, alas. But I see Llangollen has gone a bit Punjabi this year. Looks very lively. Yes, I did catch the first half of that Prom - Neil Hannon singing "Station to Station" was a particular highlight for me. Martinevans123 (talk) 19:10, 1 August 2016 (UTC)
 * Looks like WP:BROTHER is occasionally wrong eh <sub style="color:green;>Muffled  <sup style="color:red;">Pocketed  19:18, 1 August 2016 (UTC)
 * Oh Fortuna, yes. But not 'orf, pop-pickers. Although their first mega-hit only a lowly UK 52, their tempting 1988 sockerooney was from that wonderfully pulsating SAW platinum chart-ripper with a message. But thanks for being so discrete there. Martinevans123 (talk) 22:18, 1 August 2016 (UTC) (allegedly)

Sorry to see this
As you know, I haven't been around here for a while, so I was very sorry to come back and see you'd been blocked. Haven't a clue as to why - way above my Wikipedia paygrade to understand all that Admin stuff - but very sorry nonetheless. However, the block seems almost to be over, so I hope you have enjoyed your break and to see you around soon. All the best. KJP1 (talk) 07:13, 2 August 2016 (UTC)
 * I am still enjoying my break, thanks KJP. Who knows, I might even return. Martinevans123 (talk) 20:32, 2 August 2016 (UTC)

Email
Hi Martin, I can see from my notifications that you have sent me an email but I can't find it in my inbox. This may be due to the reported problems with Wikipedia email not working at the moment. If you could resend it to that would be great.-- ♦Ian Ma c  M♦  (talk to me) 19:07, 2 August 2016 (UTC)
 * Sent as requested. How very strange. Seems to be working fine for User:Mandruss. Martinevans123 (talk) 20:26, 2 August 2016 (UTC) p.s. just watching this amazing artefact on BBC4. Martinevans123 (talk) 20:28, 2 August 2016 (UTC)
 * Snap! Incredible, The Must Farm site is very interesting. I've been to nearby Flag Fen. Interesting to see visitors there, but they only seem to accept groups. I feel a Wikimedia meetup could be arranged... Robevans123 (talk) 20:38, 2 August 2016 (UTC)
 * That's just astounding. Martinevans123 (talk) 20:42, 2 August 2016 (UTC) ... and Alice Roberts is equally stunning, of course.
 * Thanks for the email. It looks like the problem may be confined to some email providers. The original Wikipedia email was sent to a Hotmail.com address, but I didn't receive it. When I get the time, I'll experiment with different addresses to see If I can find one that works with the "email this user" feature. Other people are reporting the same problem.-- ♦Ian Ma c M♦  (talk to me) 05:37, 3 August 2016 (UTC)

Jug addict
Cripes, it does seem ewer a little hard done by. — Lady Gargoyle (talk) 19:12, 6 August 2016 (UTC)
 * Great jugs!  E Eng  18:34, 7 August 2016 (UTC)
 * "Out, damned sock! Out, I say!... What, will my Talk Page never be clean?"
 * Alas, my Wiki t-shirt never felt quite so wet. "... now Muriel, how's about shakin' it around a little..?" . Martinevans123 (talk) 21:48, 7 August 2016 (UTC) p.s. still awaiting a joint email Stewards' enquiry by The Jockey Club and Mike V.
 * That's quite enough of your theatrics. There ain't no socks here... --Colin Occupantsofinterplanetarycraft (talk) 18:28, 8 August 2016 (UTC)
 * I really miss Richard and Karen's home-knitted morbidly co-dependent soothing warmth, don't you? I'll have to pencil the spooky space one in for my Crimbo list. But sorry to say I only lasted 29 seconds with that new Irish Boy Scout-themed video. Martinevans123 (talk) 21:55, 8 August 2016 (UTC)
 * Not sure what I have for you, Martin. Drmies (talk) 22:30, 7 August 2016 (UTC)
 * You asked about accounts - I sent you the link. But don't worry, I'm sure Mike will email me a reply when he has a spare moment. Martinevans123 (talk) 22:49, 7 August 2016 (UTC)


 * Oh, I saw the accounts. Drmies (talk) 01:27, 8 August 2016 (UTC)

Wikibreak is over - back on your head
Stop, Listen and Learn with Noddy. Croeso Nol. Robevans123 (talk) 18:29, 7 August 2016 (UTC)
 * Diolch. That's one devil of a joke. But I must say, "Twinkle, Twinkle Little Goblins" (October 2, 1998) looks quite intriguing.
 * "Do you really ever edit, or just pretend?" Martinevans123 (talk) 22:23, 7 August 2016 (UTC)
 * And you're needed at Template:Did_you_know_nominations/Edwin_Stevens_(missionary).  E Eng  18:34, 7 August 2016 (UTC)
 * As you know, I'm hopeless at the missionary position. Martinevans123 (talk) 22:15, 7 August 2016 (UTC) Had you ever thought of copy editing for The Daily Mail?
 * hopeless? - I approved it. - Were you hopeless regarding the position of an infobox in a composer's article? TFA yesterday ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:32, 10 August 2016 (UTC)
 * Great to see that for Ketèlbey's "A State Procession" the king and the queen stayed in the royal box to listen. *smirk, smirk* Martinevans123 (talk) 19:25, 10 August 2016 (UTC)
 * Apparently, Sir Cliff has been rehabilitated, but these days you only need to be a C-list celebrity to get into the royal box... Robevans123 (talk) 20:06, 10 August 2016 (UTC)
 * ... a cross between Bad Girls, Footballers' Wives and Waterloo Road?? ... what can one expect. Martinevans123 (talk) 20:28, 10 August 2016 (UTC)
 * During your break, you may have missed that we had a thread in your name which also shows me pictured with my flash mob. - Your grain of salt would certainly improve the two discussions on Gustav Holst, unless you want to add to ARCA right away ;) - You can rest In a Chinese Temple Garden, and please remember to change your socks daily. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 09:41, 10 August 2016 (UTC)
 * What a complete outrage! It's that insane colonist yet again... As is I were some uncouth troglodite! Do you take me for a complete booby?? Martinevans123 (talk) 20:21, 10 August 2016 (UTC) p.s. I'd advise anyone to take a look at the charming display over at Museum of Cryptofascist Bromance
 * Looking at who created the booby, that's probably the last opera I should equip with an infobox ;) - What do you think of life is too short? Largest on top of my talk. - EEng's hook is in danger, sorry about that, remember the one about the monster (my heart swims in blood) fondly, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:15, 11 August 2016 (UTC)
 * Life certainly is too short, Gerda, and I was very sorry to hear of Kevin's passing. But I'll never see another booby without thinking of you. Sometimes I just feel like a right tit (boyo). Martinevans123 (talk) 20:44, 11 August 2016 (UTC)


 * I'm glad to see you're back (not to be confused with seeing your back, on which I'll decline any offers). I trust your feet have been warm, but that your new footware will be fully approved. (And aren't you hopeless in any position?) --Tryptofish (talk) 16:40, 8 August 2016 (UTC)
 * Shucks, rumbled again. Martinevans123 (talk) 22:02, 8 August 2016 (UTC) sadly Anthony Ray's oeuvre has largely passed me by, but great to see my pussy's on Broadway

Croeso'n ôl Martin, welcome back. Missed you. Daicaregos (talk)
 * Diolch yn fawr iawn, Dai. It's very nice of you to say that. And give my regards to our good friend Dailaughing. Maybe I'm just in need of a little therapy? Martinevans123 (talk) 21:30, 9 August 2016 (UTC)


 * Vell vlight sergeant Oevens, your break for zer vreedom did not vork. Ze Zwiss border you did not reach. Now zou mus pay. A veek listening to a zong of our allies. You vill enjoy! Dismiss! []. Irondome (talk) 21:44, 9 August 2016 (UTC)
 * Crushingly funny, alas. Here's the missing Gabbana link, you lovely fragrant iron sweetheart, you. Martinevans123 (talk) 22:16, 9 August 2016 (UTC)


 * About time too; what kept you? How was your holiday?  Cassianto <sup style="font-family:Papyrus;">Talk   22:12, 9 August 2016 (UTC)
 * Ah, I see Christmas has come very early this year. Loomis Pooter? - wasn't he in that Bridget Jones's Diary? Martinevans123 (talk) 22:24, 9 August 2016 (UTC)

File:Finca los Principes, Rioja.jpg listed for discussion
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 * Thanks for letting me know.I must admit that I didn't check the tags given to all the other images at Wine bottle, with which I had thought this one was pretty comparable. It's hard to illustrate wire netting without showing the entire bottle. Bottles with the label turned away seem far less attractive, to me anyway. By the way, I found this one of Old Beardie's better offerings: "This smooth raspberry and cranberry-kissed wine is a beauty with lithe fruit notes and no ugly lingering tannins or woodwork. If you like unruffled, languid reds with silky notes and haunting mulberry and fresh herb flavours then this is your wine." Martinevans123 (talk) 19:55, 11 August 2016 (UTC)

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 * Thanks for letting me know. I could always nip back with an aerosol and try to improve it's fop potential? Martinevans123 (talk) 20:07, 11 August 2016 (UTC)

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 * Thanks for letting me know. It's now nearly 9 years since Adrian was kind enough to email his permission to me to use that image, which at the time appeared on his webpage here. That email has long since disappeared, as has The Goldcliff Fisheries. I see that the photo was used, by Peter Coates, in his 2006 book Salmon, published by Reaktion Books, ISBN-13: 978 1 86189 295 9, ISBN-10: 1 86189 295 0: see pages 113-114 Coates credits the picture: "photo courtesy of Adrian Williams, Goldcliff Fisheries" (see page 210). Adrian was obviously not the photographer, as the photo was taken, according to Coates, in 1923. I'll try and track down Adrian again, but I don't hold out much hope. It'll certainly take longer than a week to get an OTRS ticket organised. Martinevans123 (talk) 20:36, 11 August 2016 (UTC)
 * It would be a shame to lose such a useful image of a now disappeared trade. I never realised it was such big business. I'd only been aware of elver catching in the area. Robevans123 (talk) 12:28, 12 August 2016 (UTC)
 * Yes, I think Gloucestershire is quite big on elvers! It's a great picture of George and I suspect there were probably many more taken at the time. He lived for many years at the tiny Cherry Tree Cottage in the village (he was there when Fred Hando visited for his 1964 Out and About in Monmouthshire) with his six children and his housekeeper Miss Wood, his wife having died in about 1939. In my youth I often used to visit Miss Wood, who lived on in the cottage and survived to a considerable age. She was a fiercely independent soul and always smoked Woodbines. She kept a solitary goldfish, which had lost all of its colour and was perhaps as old as she was, in a bowl on the front window-sill. Martinevans123 (talk) 18:15, 12 August 2016 (UTC)
 * Wonderful stuff. Miss Wood sounds formidable. Are you sure it was Woodbines and not rollies from smuggled tobacco that the excise men didn't find! I've not got Out and About in Monmouthshire, bit I have his Monmouthshire Sketch Book and Chris Barber's Hando's Gwent. Great artist/historian/story teller (and useful for the odd interesting Gwent factoid). I think Barber has the copyright on Hando's work - I wonder if he'd donate a few drawings to illustrate the article on Fred. Oddly enough I'm looking at a Hando sketch of a Goldcliff putcher...
 * Been doing some reading/research on fish weirs round Anglesey and Carmarthen. Seems tidal fish traps carried on a lot later around Goldcliff than other the parts of the Welsh coast.
 * Do you know anything about the "Fred Hando" seats? Erected in his memory at the places of his favourite views of Gwent. I have no idea how many and only a few online references to some locations. Could make a good little list article. Robevans123 (talk) 19:34, 12 August 2016 (UTC)
 * Yes, there's a wonderful sketch of Whittaker on page 18 of Out and About in Monmouthshire (one of my most favourite little books). I suspect Hando's work is far too good to ever appear here. I'm afraid I don't about the seats - Grym Turtle might know more (... if he ever dared to humiliate himself by coming to this sordid and nefarious Talk Page). Martinevans123 (talk) 19:53, 12 August 2016 (UTC)
 * You rang?  This business about the Hando seats came up some time ago.  Unfortunately, my answer now is the same as it was then.  I'm from Barcelona.  Ghmyrtle (talk) 20:34, 12 August 2016 (UTC)

Make yourself useful for once
Can you look over Talk:Patent_leather for anything you see that would prevent qualification for GA? I'll do the review myself, but I'd like a preliminary opinion first.  E Eng  03:23, 17 August 2016 (UTC)


 * Ooo, stinging. But of course, I'm always partial to a bit of Grace. "A tear of petrol, Is in your eye, The hand brake, Penetrates your thigh." Martinevans123 (talk) 07:43, 17 August 2016 (UTC) .. or even a touch of Lou.
 * Have made a few tweaks, but I can't find the second (ref name=Gilman). The url leads to a list of Google search results, but I can't see the 1906 edition of The New International Encyclopaedia amongst them. Any ideas? Also surprised to see no mention in the article of patent leather in the fashion of the swinging sixties, e.g. Biba, Mary Quant, Twiggy, |Nancy Sinatra etc., etc. Martinevans123 (talk) 21:07, 17 August 2016 (UTC) p.s. oh, and did I mention that whole second section without any references... which is an "immediate GA fail"??


 * Reads like a psychpathic mental case to me... PaleCloudedWhite (talk) 21:30, 17 August 2016 (UTC)


 * Ah, Paley, you old bed sitter, you. Great to see you lurking in the shrubbery once again. Trust you to dredge up some classic Almond. "You must be nuts!" (But EEngie is a bit like that, isn't he?) Martinevans123 (talk) 21:45, 17 August 2016 (UTC)

Infoboxes are cool

 * I deliberated over this, but I reverted you, Martin, sorry. My reasons are here, which may (or may not) surprise you.  Cassianto <sup style="font-family:Papyrus;">Talk   12:02, 18 August 2016 (UTC)
 * Past(y) caring. Martinevans123 (talk) 12:45, 18 August 2016 (UTC)

What a shame
Great addition to the jukebox. Unfortunaly my 70s glitter balls are a bit tarnished and don't get used so much as they used to. Ah well, back to the hockey (although lacrosse has better memories from the seventies for me...). Now, where did I leave the brasso? Robevans123 (talk) 21:02, 19 August 2016 (UTC)
 * Lol. Am shimmying across the kitchen floor, in lurex hotpants, even as I type.... Yes, it's a gem, and generally regarded as the inspiration for "Hot Stuff" on the Stones' Black and Blue. I want to add this to both articles, but the best source I can find so far is this one: . Any help appreciated!! Martinevans123 (talk) 21:09, 19 August 2016 (UTC)
 * .... OMG!! first Janáček at The Proms and now this!! Martinevans123 (talk) 21:45, 19 August 2016 (UTC) ... it makes one proud to be Jamaican.:


 * Here's something lighter: Bells Across the Meadows, - better late than never, I received the DYK credit already on the composer's birthday 10 days ago, but it didn't appear then ... --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:58, 19 August 2016 (UTC)


 * ps: that's an interesting composer's article, isn't it? - I didn't know that even infobox company is contentious, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:08, 19 August 2016 (UTC)
 * It's like a little sanctuary of peace and calm. Martinevans123 (talk) 22:11, 19 August 2016 (UTC)
 * It wasn't all peace as the talk page will tell you, but at least one of the shortest infobox discussions in recent history, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:45, 19 August 2016 (UTC)
 * Absolutely brilliant - Maddie Hinch is amazing! Just what I needed to clear mind of the image of a lurex-clad shimmying editor from Gwent. No obvious sources for the Hot Stuff/Shame Shame Shame link. Missed the Janáček - will have a listen on the iPlayer. Looking forward to tomorrow's Prom. Robevans123 (talk) 22:13, 19 August 2016 (UTC)
 * You'll be pleased to know that later I slipped into some very tasteful sequined spandex jeggings. But, as you know, I've very partial to my beige crimplene leisure slacks. Martinevans123 (talk) 14:51, 20 August 2016 (UTC)
 * Yes, looks very good. I don't know Mahler's Rückert-Lieder at all. But I'm guessing that Gerda will know all about Mozart's Great Mass in C minor, K. 427. Martinevans123 (talk) 22:20, 19 August 2016 (UTC)
 * They are both worth a listen. I've sung the Great Mass, not as memorable as the Requiem Mass, but still good. Robevans123 (talk) 22:32, 19 August 2016 (UTC)


 * "Ich bin der Welt abhanden gekommen" is one of my all-time-favorites, and we sang the Great Mass, although our conductor doesn't like Mozart, that recommends the piece ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:37, 19 August 2016 (UTC)


 * Thanks, Gerda. Just beautiful. Magdalena Kožená is amazing. Just incredible. Martinevans123 (talk) 22:41, 19 August 2016 (UTC)


 * Beautiful singing tonight in the Prom by Tanja Ariane Baumgartner, who ended with that one. According to BBC Radio 3's Penny Gore, Henry-Louis de La Grange thought that song was the high point of Mahler's entire output of Lieder. Martinevans123 (talk) 19:35, 20 August 2016 (UTC)


 * Sorry, no German article (yet) for the singer, but good reviews. Go ahead, start it, I would help. I think that song is the high point of Lied. He used the material for the Adagietto of his Fifth. What do you think about replying "In meinem Himmel, in meiner Liebe, in meinem Lied" in infobox discussions, to mark some distance? How would you call a template for that text, now that we have Fuck off? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 19:48, 20 August 2016 (UTC)
 * "Template: Fuchs", perhaps?? Martinevans123 (talk) 19:57, 20 August 2016 (UTC)


 * Why? Stoepel? 2013 when I thought the infobox wars were over ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:01, 20 August 2016 (UTC)


 * Haha, yes, Robert "Stoepel, Gerda, Stoepel!". Martinevans123 (talk) 20:07, 20 August 2016 (UTC)


 * Wow, Gerda, that looks like an interesting venue. The accoustics must be quite different to the usual church venues. Robevans123 (talk) 22:48, 19 August 2016 (UTC)


 * Simply excellent, one voice carries without amplification, - Andreas Scholl performing He was despised, hurt and fragile, was breathtaking, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 23:05, 19 August 2016 (UTC)


 * Well I must say the Eder Great Mass tonight was quite stunning. But more like a grand Opera than a Mass, I think! Still utterly wonderful. Martinevans123 (talk) 20:57, 20 August 2016 (UTC)


 * In a state of shame (because of "my" warriors' hitlist), I have some good music to listen to, top of my talk, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:41, 7 September 2016 (UTC)
 * And again, later here. - An opera about which I didn't write but nominated for DYK: Il postino, good plot! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:41, 28 October 2016 (UTC)
 * Looks interesting! Hopefully it has all those Marvelettes songs in it? Martinevans123 (talk) 07:54, 28 October 2016 (UTC)
 * DYK that Cassianto is back? Makes me happy, bzzt, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:09, 28 October 2016 (UTC)

St Mary's Priory Church, Monmouth
Glad to see you're back. On the matter of links for the above, neither 26 or 27 are working. Are they essential? Link 12 is fabulous. That altar painting is dirtier now (April '16) than when I was singing Venite Adoramus there as a school boy and I had no idea what it actually depicted. Best regards. KJP1 (talk) 13:18, 21 August 2016 (UTC)
 * How bizarre. Instead of a motoring mogul I get a Getty Images picture of the Mobot!? I'll search for Father Lister's installation. Martinevans123 (talk) 13:26, 21 August 2016 (UTC)
 * I'd forgotten that sketch! As to Charles Rolls, I think it wise to remove the link to Mo Farah.  Otherwise, it might suggest Lady Llangattock was rather free with her favours - this  suggests that is unlikely to have been the case. KJP1 (talk) 14:21, 21 August 2016 (UTC)
 * Not exactly the Spirit of Ecstasy there, is she. Martinevans123 (talk) 17:31, 21 August 2016 (UTC)
 * Had she been the model, I fear she would have rather compromised the aerodynamics. All the best. KJP1 (talk) 18:04, 21 August 2016 (UTC)
 * I suspect that one wouldn't want to try and touch her up. Martinevans123 (talk) 18:14, 21 August 2016 (UTC)
 * Apparently, a worker on her estate was berated when she spotted his bike outside a pub (she was an ardent teatotaller), he replied that he often left his bike under her bedroom window, but that didn't mean anything...
 * And oddly, I've also sang at St Mary's as a school boy in the school carol concert and can remember starting at the altar painting. Robevans123 (talk) 21:48, 22 August 2016 (UTC)
 * Wow, that's kinda Spooky!! Martinevans123 (talk) 21:54, 22 August 2016 (UTC) .. and for some (as usual, Freudian) reason, that Lady Llangattock story immediately reminds me of Billy Connolly on the Parkinson Show
 * Which reminds me of a recent advert... Robevans123 (talk) 23:05, 22 August 2016 (UTC)
 * Hahaha. Had not seen that one. Typical cyclist's nonchalance. Martinevans123 (talk) 07:48, 23 August 2016 (UTC)

RIP Toots Thielemans
So, farewell cowboy. Martinevans123 (talk) 12:15, 22 August 2016 (UTC)
 * Seen here as an 77-year old spring chicken, with a friend, in Stockholm. ---Sluzzelin talk  22:07, 22 August 2016 (UTC)
 * Ah, thanks for that link, amazing. Wow, that is so cool! Just beautiful. Another harp genius, for sure. Martinevans123 (talk) 22:11, 22 August 2016 (UTC)

WikiProject Film/Golden Hollywood Contest
Doc's just started up this contest about topics and articles covering Classical Hollywood cinema. Do express if you are interested or not by signing up under the "Editors Interested" section. Thanks. — Ssven2  Speak 2 me 10:22, 24 August 2016 (UTC)
 * Ah! Those classic Golden Hollywood movie lines!
 * "If you want me, just whistle. You know how to whistle, don't you, Sven? You just put your lips together and Blofeld." Martinevans123 (talk) 10:59, 24 August 2016 (UTC)
 * So you're in? —  Ssven2  Speak 2 me 11:05, 24 August 2016 (UTC)
 * Yvonne: Will I see you tonight?
 * Rick Blaine: I never make plans that far ahead.
 * Sam Spade: This contest is stuff that dreams are made of. ;-) Think about it and let me and doc know. We'll be waiting for you, Marshal. At the O.K. Corral.  —  Ssven2  Speak 2 me 11:19, 24 August 2016 (UTC)

Glossary of darts
For consistency sake, yes, I guess this was indeed better! Thanx for noticing. <b style="font-family:Eras Bold ITC"> O X Y G E N E 7-13 </b><b style="font-family:Eras Bold ITC"> ( T A L K P A G E) </b> 11:12, 25 August 2016 (UTC)
 * I feel Betty would have been proud. Martinevans123 (talk) 11:18, 25 August 2016 (UTC)
 * Maybe because I'm Dutch but, waddayamean by that? <b style="font-family:Eras Bold ITC"> O X Y G E N E 7-13 </b><b style="font-family:Eras Bold ITC"> ( T A L K P A G E) </b> 15:43, 25 August 2016 (UTC)
 * Apologies. In the UK, Betty was just a TV soap opera embodiment of the popularity of the game. Martinevans123 (talk) 15:57, 25 August 2016 (UTC)
 * Ah... That's why. In the Netherlands we do know Coronation Street, but I've never seen a single episode myself. Thnx. <b style="font-family:Eras Bold ITC"> O X Y G E N E 7-13 </b><b style="font-family:Eras Bold ITC"> ( T A L K P A G E) </b> 16:09, 25 August 2016 (UTC)


 * Never understood the British fascination with darts. All the appeal of putt-putt, in my opinion. Softlavender (talk) 13:30, 26 August 2016 (UTC)
 * You'll find your enjoyment is enhanced by locating the board on a false breast and pinning on a photo of your favourite Wiki admin (allegedly). Martinevans123 (talk) 14:01, 26 August 2016 (UTC)
 * And today's Cornish CoppaFeel puzzler: take a look at this image. Does it look to you like the people there "carried fake breasts pending a walk over the Tamar Bridge", or that they had "removed their boobs pending a walk over the Tamar Bridge", or possibly both? Handy hint: note that word pending. Answers on a less offensive postcard, thanks. Wholly agree with Newyorkbrad on this one. Martinevans123 (talk) 15:07, 26 August 2016 (UTC)

I saw my username in the edit summary. If you're in the mode of agreeing with me, I'd appreciate your removing the box at the top of the page, or at least the reference to Fram in it, as uncollegial and unhelpful. Regards, Newyorkbrad (talk) 09:11, 27 August 2016 (UTC)
 * Yes, of course, even though it was Fram who suggested I go there. We wouldn't want to be uncollegial to our fellow editors, would we? Martinevans123 (talk) 09:22, 27 August 2016 (UTC)
 * No one has a sense of humour anymore apparently.--MONGO 09:30, 27 August 2016 (UTC)
 * It's certainly safer not to try, isn't it. I didn't realise that Brad had my Talk Page on his watchlist. I'm still totally unable to see why either of those hooks was "less accurate" than the other - must be my "clouded thinking". Yes, an admin made an "involved" revert, but I really think a quiet word to them would have been more effective. I personally don't find use of the word "boobs" offensive, but I can understand why some folks would. It's not just one word, though: knowing several people who have suffered from breast cancer, I can see why the phrase "removed their boobs" might seem wholly inappropriate in that hook. And I suggested at the discussion that there might also have been Eng Var considerations. But we do seem to have recurring problems with that "quirky fifth hook ... that ends up with someone going to ArCom." DKY can be so entertaining these days. Martinevans123 (talk) 13:33, 27 August 2016 (UTC)
 * Now that the WP:AN thread has been closed, by User:SchroCat, I wonder would User:Fram like to explain here about the "Error on Main Page for 12 hours, after involved admin reverted it ion the main page to the wrong version!" (emphasis added), and why we got that one-person mini-crusade against Ritchie333? Martinevans123 (talk) 11:35, 28 August 2016 (UTC)
 * Strange, everyone at WT:DYK understands why that hook was wrong. Including people who wouldn't hesitate to point out my error. Only one person here who sees Ritchie333 as a holy cause to defend apparently. I've just seen your pathetic attemps to defend him on AN after my last post there, I thought the replies you got there from others would have made it clear to you by now. No idea why you choose to continue this, you are only making a fool of yourself here. Fram (talk) 06:45, 29 August 2016 (UTC)
 * Not just here, but over at User talk:Alanscottwalker as well of course, where at least Alan has had the decency to discuss without insults. Your AN thread was closed as "moot" (with not a small hint of "complete waste of time")? I thought, as did others over there, that both hooks were "wrong", for different reasons. And I don't think small local newspapers are the best source for establishing clear fact for something that happened 18 months ago. But the rules of Wikipedia must be enforced, mustn't they. Better a fool than a humourless overbearing pedant, perhaps. But thanks for the kind note. Martinevans123 (talk) 07:46, 29 August 2016 (UTC) p.s. the diff you provided was this one which has the magic word "pending".
 * Both hooks may have been wrong, although no evidence has been presented that Gatoclass hook was factually wrong, only offensive to some apparently. But I pulled the whole entry, not simply changed it; I did not post or repost a "wrong" version. As for my diff, that was for indicating the involved action. I notice your discussion at Alanscottwalker's talk page, and I admire his patience in explaining the obvious. If you don't think "don't think small local newspapers are the best source for establishing clear fact for something that happened 18 months ago" then please educate Ritchie333 on not trying to do this again in the future. If we can't establish the clear facts on something, then we shouldn't be posting it (in the article, and certainly on the main page) as if it was a clear fact... But you efficiently derailed the AN discussion, congratulations on achieving that. Fram (talk) 11:01, 29 August 2016 (UTC)
 * Your edit summary says “What does it matter if both hooks were "wrong", I pulled it, I didn't change it) “ Are you joking?? You described one hook as “incorrect” ... in fact, that was your headline, wasn’t it? I never saw you diff at the ANI discussion for Ritchie removing the word “pending”. Is it there? Re: “someone who likes to misunderstand everything only to defend a wikifriend”, and “pathetic attempts to defend him on AN”, I’m very sorry if it comes as a surprise to you that people can actually make friends while editing at Wikipedia and may even try to support them when they make a mistake. I had no intention of derailing anything, but rather suggesting that your dichotomy of “correct and incorrect” was a false one. If you disagree with SchroCat’s close of that thread, and indeed User:The Voidwalker’s re-close, I’m sure you can re-open it. I think your opening of that thread, in the first place, was wholly over-the-top, and came across as unnecessarily blunt and vindictive. I can’t quite believe the phrase you then chose to use at ArbCom discussion of User:The Rambling Man: “The problem at DYK is... people like Ritchie333... ” Just my opinion of course. Martinevans123 (talk) 11:25, 29 August 2016 (UTC)
 * Oh dear... I described one hook as incorrect since it was factually incorrect (unsupported by its source). It makes no difference for my actions whether the hook by Gatoclass was morally "wrong" but factually correct or not, so yes, to me and in this discussion, it doesn't matter if both hooks were "wrong" or not, the one I pulled was wrong and that's the one that matters here (and even if that one hadn't been wrong, Ritchie333 still wasn't the one to make the change as being clearly involved). "[...] people can actually make friends while editing at Wikipedia and may even try to support them when they make a mistake." That's natural. What is not correct is people claiming that their friends made no mistake and were correct all along and there is nothing to see here when everyone else sees that a mistake was made, even when not everyone agrees on how big a problem that was. No idea what you are claiming with "suggesting that your dichotomy of “correct and incorrect” was a false one." his hook was incorrect under Wikipedia and DYK rules, as it was clearly not supported by his source. No idea either why you bring up the close of the thread, since when were we discussing that? (it seems you disagree with it though, considering "I'm sure all concerned have much, much better things to be doing than dragging this out any further.") Feel free to indicate which parts of my opening statement at AN were "wholly over-the-top, unnecessarily blunt and vindictive". My supposed statement “The problem at DYK is... people like Ritchie333... ” can not be found in that discussion. Fram (talk) 11:46, 29 August 2016 (UTC)
 * You claimed I "derailed the AN discussion". If you feel that strongly, you should re-open it, and politely ask me not to contribute. Ritchie wasn't "correct all along", and I have not claimed that he was. The hook with the word "pending" still seems to me to be a perfectly fair and reasonable refection of the sources. I'm sorry, I won't change my opinion on that. But I guess you'll put that down to my "clouded thinking". Sorry to characterise your approach as one which covers more than a single discussion. I'm sure you don't want to give the impression of nit-picking, win-at-all-costs, no-room-for-compromise, my-way-or-the-highway condescending pomposity, do you?. Kindest regards. Martinevans123 (talk) 12:47, 29 August 2016 (UTC)
 * Ah, changing your posts after I have answered, making my answer incorrect or meaningless... Yeah, I surely wouldn't want to give an impression of win-at-all-costs to a master of the trade. The hook version you now seem to have made into the cornerstone of your defense was there for one minute (the edit summary on the first was incorrect, but as this was corrected in the next edit by reverting back to the one he intended, I didn't nitpick about this). The hook that was pulled, and the hook that Ritchie333 wanted to have, was not the hook you are going on about. The diff was there to indicate the start of the revert and the start of his involved edits, but I'll try to remember next time something like this happens to give a fully detailed step-by-step analysis. For now, unless you have something new or interesting to say, I'll leave you well alone here. Fram (talk) 13:08, 29 August 2016 (UTC)
 * That was a lovely minute and I will treasure it forever (even though I wasn't there) - I feel you could have helped it last longer. Sorry for writing "AN" when I meant "ArbCom" and thanks so much for pointing out my mistake so soon. I think a "fully detailed step-by-step analysis" was sadly lacking from your AN report, having been already started at the DYK discussion page. Sorry for just relying on the links you provided in the AN thread. I very rarely claim "new or interesting" and usually just make do with "positive contribution". I expect you get folks writing in all the time to thank you for your diligence. You make me feel like giving up Wikipedia altogether, but I guess you'd see that outcome as a minor victory. Martinevans123 (talk) p.s. "good luck" with your new and interesting contributions over at ArbCom.
 * My-way-or-the-highway? PaleCloudedWhite (talk) 13:54, 29 August 2016 (UTC)
 * Shocked and alarmed. As if anyone would want to lurk in the shadows and read this litany of tortuous bile-filled mutual wrist-slapping just for cheap laughs. At least I didn't call Fram a complete dick. Martinevans123 (talk) 13:59, 29 August 2016 (UTC)


 * Stop that. Stop it, will you stop that. Now look, no one is to stone anyone until I blow this whistle. *Even*...and I want to make this absolutely clear...*even* if they *do* say "Jehovah."  E  Eng  20:57, 29 August 2016 (UTC)
 * Phew, just in time! And I'm not even totally stoned. Martinevans123 (talk) 21:15, 29 August 2016 (UTC) p.s. " 'ere mate I 'ad that "Ed Ominem" in the back of me cab the uvver night.... a bit like that Yorkshire Nipper he were, but not as friendly.... stone 'em then string 'em up, I say... it's the only language they understand, mate....etc., etc."

Record Breakers
Crouch Touch Pause Engage - World's largest scrum at Llanrumney. By my reckoning that'll be four props and a few hundred hookers.

Good to see our Nige getting his GCSE results as well. Robevans123 (talk) 21:13, 25 August 2016 (UTC)
 * That's a big scrum! What's it all about, eh? I think Gareth's brave dummy scissors did more for LGBT equality in Wales than had previously been achieved in decades. And a big up to Nigel who is, without doubt, today's finest rugby football referee...."who, dear? me, dear? referee, dear? yes, dear!" Martinevans123 (talk) 21:30, 25 August 2016 (UTC) ... you'll have to excuse me.. am rockin' out to this gem and this classic, stuck on repeat, natch'
 * Yes - two great icons, and Nigel is the finest rugby football referee ever! Hope you had your leathers on while you were rocking around the living room. Robevans123 (talk) 09:28, 26 August 2016 (UTC)
 * How very dare you! My well-worn originals, if you don't mind ... and it was the kitchen, of course. Martinevans123 (talk) 09:49, 26 August 2016 (UTC) I'm beginning to think that's one of the best numbers they've ever done (and a witty video by John Keeling (not that one)). I realise Rossi was keen to trade in the ponytail for a beard, but it's just all equally good rockin' to me.
 * I can't keep up with you young whippersnappers and your changing fashions. My zoot suit is just the job when I hop round lindy in the kitchen. Hope you're going to visit Porthemmet while you're in Kernow. Robevans123 (talk) 22:45, 27 August 2016 (UTC)
 * Wow, sounds bril? - hope she doesn't mind too much. Martinevans123 (talk) 07:59, 28 August 2016 (UTC) (sorry, yes, am spinning a bit of a yarn here. In fact am only diving a few wrecks with my mate Malcolm - do you think we're too late to pick up a few BMW motorbikes?) ...or is it just my "cloudy thinking" again??

The 10,000 Challenge
Hi there. I've started a new initiative, the The 10,000 Challenge. It's a long term goal to bring about 10,000 article improvements to the UK and Ireland. Through two contests involving just six or seven weeks of editing so far we've produced over 1500 improvements. Long term if we have more people chipping it and adding articles they've edited independently as well from all areas of the UK then reaching that target is all possible. I think it would be an amazing achievement to see 10,000 article improvements by editors chipping in with whatever area of the British Isles or subject that they work on. If you support this and think you might want to contribute towards this long term please sign up in the Contributors section. No obligations, just post work on anything you feel like whenever you want, though try to avoid basic stubs if possible as we're trying to reduce the overall stub count and improve general comprehension and quality. Thanks.♦ Dr. Blofeld  14:01, 30 August 2016 (UTC)
 * I do try to contribute, Blowers, but I always seem to make such a fist of it. Martinevans123 (talk) 14:10, 30 August 2016 (UTC)

twaddle, silly
https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Traingate&diff=737300717&oldid=737300436

you are really starting to bore me and showing up in multiple chats I am involved in -I look forward to when that stops Govindaharihari (talk) 22:28, 1 September 2016 (UTC)
 * Please show us all the diffs to these "multiple chats you are involved in". Please stop adding WP:FORUM material to Talk:Traingate, such as: "Corbyn is a massive certainty to win and this trash traingate nonsense will, has made no difference at all - as you can see in the odds, if you bother to look". And please try to stop deleting whole sections of that article, on the basis of your own personal opinion, before discussing at the Talk Page there. Many thanks. Martinevans123 (talk) 22:32, 1 September 2016 (UTC)
 * Your a policy jocky, you upset a lot of people with your games, you should take better care to avoid that. Govindaharihari (talk) 22:37, 1 September 2016 (UTC)
 * Could you possibly re-arrange some or all of those words to make a coherent sentence? And what about those "multiple chats I am involved in"? Thanks. Martinevans123 (talk) 22:39, 1 September 2016 (UTC)
 * There you go again - you are basically similar to a troll, you put people down at every opportunity behind your claimed internet persona, you should stop that./ Govindaharihari (talk) 22:47, 1 September 2016 (UTC)
 * I have no idea what your previous post meant, if anything. How's your own "claimed internet persona" going? Martinevans123 (talk) 22:51, 1 September 2016 (UTC) p.s. very sorry to bore you.

Ages ago, but
<sub style="color:green;>Muffled <sup style="color:red;">Pocketed  17:30, 2 September 2016 (UTC)
 * Thanks for your note. Quite amazing, isn't it, the lengths that some folks will go to get an article mentioned on the front page. Even those who have been faithfully editing for over two years, created 28 new articles and made over 12,000 edits? All those arcane historical tomes, those stuffy unknown sources, those abstruse expert academics. The sort of rubbish you'd have to go to the ends of the earth to read. I am truly amazed. But I'm glad to see an apology was offered, after your prompting, five hours later. Well, at least you've been compared to the handsome and dashing Richard Gere, eh? Martinevans123 (talk) 21:33, 2 September 2016 (UTC)
 * .... "It's just two-way traffic on a one way street"... survival of the fittest, it's the law of jungle."
 * Man, it was gonna be bigger than The Vegas Job (which I've just noticed has been so whitewashed that it doesn't even call it a hoax). H'mmm. <sub style="color:green;>Muffled  <sup style="color:red;">Pocketed  11:07, 4 September 2016 (UTC)
 * Ah yes, Vegas was quite big. Martinevans123 (talk) 11:25, 4 September 2016 (UTC)

Help needed
Hello, I'm User:Robevans123. An edit that you recently made at Wikipedia:Miscellany for enshrining/User:EEng seems to include a recursive navbox. May I remind you that recursive navboxes are particularly dangerous for new and inexperienced editors. I'm currently stuck at level 7. Could you throw down a rope? Thanks. Robevans123 (talk) 16:41, 5 September 2016 (UTC)
 * Haha. Don't blame me, I only added the music! Martinevans123 (talk) 17:12, 5 September 2016 (UTC)
 * Oops - hope User:Tryptofish doesn't feel left out,,, Robevans123 (talk) 17:47, 5 September 2016 (UTC)
 * Throw down a rope? Yet more with the double-entendres! --Tryptofish (talk) 19:07, 5 September 2016 (UTC)
 * Eh? Personally I find all of Cheshire East quite respectable. Martinevans123 (talk) 19:51, 5 September 2016 (UTC)

OTRS issues
I'd like to explore your statement that the OTRS process is 'open to wholesale abuse". Per Wp:beans, Please send me an email if you think explaining it online would further potential for abuse.

I would also be interested in your thoughts on an alternative process.

I'd also like to understand why you think there is a problem relating to File:Nathan Wyburn.jpg. The images image has been uploaded, and as soon as a valid permission statement is provided and reviewed everything will be fine. I reviewed the permission statement sent in by the subject, but as very often happens, the subject is claiming copyright on a photograph in which he is pictured. While this may be correct, it is exceedingly common that people are under the impression that they automatically of the copyright holder of photographs of themselves. This is not generally the case so we almost always ask for an explanation. When that explanation arrives, if it is satisfactory the OTRS tag will be placed on the photo.-- S Philbrick (Talk)  21:52, 6 September 2016 (UTC)


 * Hi :Sphilbrick. And thanks for inviting me you your Talk Page earlier. Let's explore shall we? I love beans, don't you?
 * 1. Over at Diaanaaaaa's page you said:
 * "To help make the process easier for them I often fill out the permission statement for them, email it to them asked them to review it and ensure that it is acceptable and send it back to me. I then forward it to OTRS."
 * I was suggesting that you "forwarding it to OTRS" means you could fabricate their permission. All you need is their return email in the email history (I'm not suggesting that you would, of course, but anyone could).
 * 2. I'm not advocating any change just yet - I'm guessing there would need to be many months of discussion and thousands of megabytes of Talk Page wrangling before that ever happened. I'm suggesting that if the expected process is currently "Upload the image, then get permission" then that's what the description over at WP:CONSENT and Template:OTRS pending should actually say.
 * 3. The problem with File:Nathan Wyburn.jpg is that Nathan has sent an email to OTRS with a URL that points to the original image on his website, not the image as uploaded by me here. In fact, the image uploaded here is just a cropped portion of the original (but I'm unable to tell, from reading all the procedural advice, if this is a "problem" or not). But, of course I also failed somewhat at the first hurdle, which was "please do it at Commons, not here"
 * 4. Why have that standard text in the WP:CONSENT template if it does not apply? You've decided that Nathan is not the copyright holder? On what basis is that? How do I find the copyright holder, exactly? How does Nathan? Where is this in the procedural instruction? You say "I reviewed the permission statement sent in by the subject"? I thought there was a 24-day backlog??
 * Thanks. Martinevans123 (talk) 22:12, 6 September 2016 (UTC)


 * There is quite a backlog. I haven't checked to see if it is 24 days but that sounds about right. Agents are not required, as far as I know, to handle all request in chronological order. I often look at recent request because occasionally someone will fill out the statement exactly correctly with no issues that need further study. In such circumstances, the permission request can be handled in a couple of minutes, and in my opinion it is worth handling the request out of normal chronological order if it can be disposed of quickly. I happen to have looked at the Nathan Wyburn request, but I had not processed it as it did not meet my criteria of easily handled, but when I saw your request at the OTRS noticeboard I remember looking at it and thought I would relook at it. Unfortunately, my initial instincts were correct and it was not a straightforward request, but since I had invested this much time and it I thought I would take the next steps.


 * I have not decided that Nathan is not the copyright holder. What on earth did I say that led you to that conclusion? I've reread my initial post in which I say he may be the copyright holder. But, he may not. Which is why I asked a follow-up question. I having have not concluded whether he is or is not the copyright holder.


 * I am not following your statement, "Why have that standard text in the WP:CONSENT template if it does not apply?" Can you explain what you mean?-- S Philbrick (Talk)  00:21, 7 September 2016 (UTC)


 * No, the problem is not as you state "The problem with File:Nathan Wyburn.jpg is that Nathan has sent an email to OTRS with a URL that points to the original image on his website, not the image as uploaded by me here." That was not an issue. The problem is that Nathan sent in a statement in which he claims to be the copyright holder of an image in which he is the subject. This is not impossible—there are multiple scenarios in which this is acceptable, but it is also the case that many people erroneously assume that they are automatically the copyright holder of any photo in which they appear. This assumption is incorrect, so whenever a person asserts copyright over an image in which they appear, we ask additional questions. It is quite routine - happens several times every day. It is not a big deal, but it must be resolved, and has not yet been resolved.-- S Philbrick (Talk)  00:28, 7 September 2016 (UTC)
 * Thanks from your prompt reply, Sphilbrick. I think how OTRS works is a bit of a mystery to those not involved. The order in which requests are dealt with is a particular mystery (from my position of near complete ignorance). Apologies if I have accused you of reaching a conclusion you have not. Would it save time if the first step of the process was to discover who was the copyright holder. I imagine that someone at OTRS (at some time in the next 24 days?) will email Nathan and ask him to confirm he is the copyright holder. That's just my guess. But regarding the standard request wording, you made it quite clear of over Diannaa's page that the URL should be the location here at Wikipedia, not the original one e.g. on someone's website? is that not the case? And I'm also left with the wording of the Template:OTRS pending (my emphasis added):
 * "An email containing details of the permission for this file has been sent in accordance with WP:OTRS."
 * It's not clear to me who should have sent that email and when. Nor when the URL was (or should have been) added. But maybe that's deliberately vague? I'd appreciate it if you could just tell what, if anything I now need to do. Or do I just wait for OTRS to do something? Will they need to give me a "ticket number"? Do I need to ask for one? And what should I now do with the other three images of himself that Nathan has sent me for upload? Thanks for your time and expertise. Martinevans123 (talk) 07:59, 7 September 2016 (UTC) p.s. not sure what you mean by "I having concluded whether he is or is not the copyright holder."-- S Philbrick  (Talk)  12:07, 7 September 2016 (UTC)


 * Sorry if my response at the OTRS noticeboard wasn't clear.


 * I looked at the permission statement provided by Nathan Wyburn on 5 September, as part of my occasional process to look at recent tickets to see if there's any "low hanging fruit". The email from him did not qualify so I moved on. A few minutes later, I saw your request at the OTRS noticeboard, remembered the name, and decided to respond to it. I looked at the permission statement and looked at the image and noticed an extremely common problem — the permission statement asserted copyright by the person pictured in the photo. As explained earlier, this is a "problem" which often simply requires an explanation. In some cases, the person issuing the permission is simply unfamiliar with how copyright works and making the mistaken assumption that ownership of a photo means they also have the copyright to the photo. In other cases, they may legitimately be the copyright holder, either because it was a "selfie" or taken with a self timer, or they may have arranged for the photographer to transfer the copyright to them. Whenever we see this situation occur, we ask a question to ascertain which situation applies. I sent that email to Nathan on 5 September and have not yet received a response.


 * Regarding your final question, I simply botched the wording and have fixed it. I don't yet know whether he is the copyright holder because I have not yet heard the answer to the question.


 * There is nothing for you to do except to wait for him to respond to the email. If you happen to know him, you might let him know that he has an email from me with a question that needs answering. Otherwise, we'll just wait for him to respond.


 * Ah, I see. Thanks for repeating your explanations. Perhaps it might have been simpler if you have explained about the copoyright holder question at my OTRS noticeboard thread? It seems that you don't see any problems with the process and/or the instructions. So perhaps it's just me and my unfamiliarity. What about (my penultimate question) the three other images - shall I uploaded them now? Ask Nathan if he is coopyright-holder first? Get hims to send a permission email anyway? For all three at once? Thanks. Martinevans123 (talk) 12:41, 7 September 2016 (UTC)

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 * Wow, Cool, man. That's reet champion, lad. Martinevans123 (talk) 14:30, 8 September 2016 (UTC)

Revert
Why? Sca (talk) 00:09, 9 September 2016 (UTC)
 * Hi Sca. For some reason (still not worked out why, as I have dismissed all notices at the top), my watchlist jumps just at the same moment I click to view a topic. I have rollback enabled and so if the line below is long enough, rollback gets hit instead, by mistake. I then have to do a self-revert and say sorry. Which I did. Others seem to have the same problem. Sorry that your comment was absent for 2 minutes. I was agreeing with you! Martinevans123 (talk) 07:17, 9 September 2016 (UTC)
 * Martin - you seem to be suffering from premature option selection. Don't worry, many editors suffer from this at some point in their lives, but, if the problem persists, various creams, sprays, tablets, exercises, and talking therapies are available. If all else fails, try taking a cold shower and thinking of the speeches of Maggie Thatcher before you edit. Robevans123 (talk) 09:01, 9 September 2016 (UTC)
 * As you may have seen from Paley’s page, Maggie has just the opposite effect, I’m afraid. But I’m happy to take the therapy. Martinevans123 (talk) 09:14, 9 September 2016 (UTC)
 * Try injections. Sca (talk)
 * PS: I shudda said academic rather than pedantic. Sca (talk) 15:08, 9 September 2016 (UTC)
 * "Hold the front page!" It's so exciting. No need to take the hump. Martinevans123 (talk) 16:31, 9 September 2016 (UTC)
 * Roll 'em. – Sca (talk) 21:11, 9 September 2016 (UTC)
 * Will have to go on my pending list, I think. But obviously required viewing for all would-be front-pagers... as we know, there's No Smoke Without Fire. Martinevans123 (talk) 21:18, 9 September 2016 (UTC)

a great season
Wasn't it just? Enjoyed the Verdi Requiem on Friday. Thought the youth choir was brilliant, and always good to see the Cimbasso getting an outing. Robevans123 (talk) 17:11, 11 September 2016 (UTC)
 * I'll have to catch up with that one on iPlayer! But yes, a brilliant season. Martinevans123 (talk) 17:15, 11 September 2016 (UTC)

congregation
I sort of see your point; we use "church" interchangeably to refer to both the organized group and the buildings (I think we have had some CfD discussions about that). I think I'll change it to "congregation" or perhaps, in this case, "parish". Daniel Case (talk) 19:17, 12 September 2016 (UTC)
 * Yeah, I had thought of that. But then had visions of a hundred-strong group of parishioners frantically ushering around a single unsuspecting visitor, Benny Hill-style. No strong view. Thanks. Martinevans123 (talk) 19:23, 12 September 2016 (UTC)

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 * Thanks. Does second generation count? Because, as you know, "the Brits... are fu**in' Ninja racists!!"?? Martinevans123 (talk) 18:44, 18 September 2016 (UTC)

Thanks for the moral support and Lou Reed link
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 * Ooh! A classic. "Calon lan yn llawn daioni, Tecach yw na'r lili dlos.... Martinevans123 (talk) 21:20, 17 September 2016 (UTC)
 * I'm sensing a cabal of Celts coming on! Ceoil (talk) 21:34, 17 September 2016 (UTC)
 * "Hey, bitches"!! Martinevans123 (talk) 21:42, 17 September 2016 (UTC)
 * Ha ha, don't go all Julian Cope on me! Although a druid on arbcom is interesting. Sacrifices to please Jimbo - it'll be 2008 all over again! Ceoil (talk) 21:49, 17 September 2016 (UTC)

Missed opportunity
Surely you meant "the udder nite" (groan)? Robevans123 (talk) 21:17, 17 September 2016 (UTC)
 * No, I did actually consider that one... and then thought "how low can you go". But thanks for that wonderful message box over at the EEng Talk Page!! Martinevans123 (talk) 21:24, 17 September 2016 (UTC)
 * Don't be so coy. As a fan of the tabloids, I'd always assumed that the hand of God reaching down into the mire couldn't elevate you to the depths of degradation. Robevans123 (talk) 09:06, 18 September 2016 (UTC)
 * Did you mind?! Some of us have our reputation to think of! Frankgallagher123 (talk) 18:21, 18 September 2016 (UTC)

Not yet, but nearly...
Not quite. Maybe you'd like to induce my retirement from the project for the rest of the year?  Cassianto <sup style="font-family:Papyrus;">Talk   20:18, 21 September 2016 (UTC)
 * Oh, darn it! I didn't expect to see you get dug up so soon!! Drat. I must invest in better tools. Martinevans123 (talk) 21:06, 21 September 2016 (UTC) Sorry, Gerda, I'll have to return that bottle of Liebfraumilch and the "box set" of Bach oratorios. He's not totally dead yet.....

Brendel
Please review WP:BRD and WP:BURDEN. Extraordinary claims require extraordinary sources. Please review the talk page thread. If you wish to post on the RS noticeboard, perhaps you will find editors who agree with you and you will be able to establish some basis for this claim. There's the additional problem that your citation of those lists as references about themselves, the lists, is a WP:PRIMARY source and does not establish that the lists themselves are noteworthy. If you can find a secondary source that refers to those as significant or meaningful rankings, you will have a valid argument for inclusion. BTW look at this ranking to understand hwo many other pianists are ranked among the "greatest"  Were you aware of those other names? Finally, I need to ask you: Do you have any personal, professional, or other relationship with Mr. Brendel? Just asking to get that out of the way. Thanks. SPECIFICO talk  23:04, 21 September 2016 (UTC)
 * Why, have those policies changed recently? I don't see why such a claim is necessarily "extranordinary" - experts often rate the proficiency of other experts... "raniking inapt to the subject"? Probably best if we continue any discussion over at Talk:Alfred Brendel. Martinevans123 (talk) 09:36, 22 September 2016 (UTC) p.s. yes, I have to admit I do employ Alfred as a part-time gardener and he occasionally does a bit of light dusting and hoovering.
 * All of us lads round here know Alfie. After he's done doing for Martinevans123, he's round at my place with his Marigolds, polishing away, and he does a proper job. And I'd rank him as No. 1 for tinkling and you can take that to the bank and source it. Robevans123 (talk) 10:09, 22 September 2016 (UTC)
 * And have you seen that dummy scissors of his?? Oooh, moves to die for, dearie! Martinevans123 (talk) 10:21, 22 September 2016 (UTC)

A lemming barnstar for myself!
Richly deserved but somewhat self-aggrandizing to self- abuse -award. Making extraordinary claims may require an extraordinary exit strategy to avoid an extraordinary witch-hunt. A least you've got an extraordinary cliff to start you off on the long swim to Saesland. Quite Extraordinary! Robevans123 (talk) 13:47, 22 September 2016 (UTC)
 * Listen mate, I'm the one who put the gold in Goldfinger, ok?? Martinevans007 (talk) 14:05, 22 September 2016 (UTC)
 * Nice footwear, in any event. ---Sluzzelin talk  15:14, 22 September 2016 (UTC)

Email?
My notifications says that you sent me an email, but I don't seem to have it. Perhaps resend?--Jimbo Wales (talk) 05:43, 23 September 2016 (UTC)
 * The "Email this user" feature on the toolbar has become unreliable recently, and was discussed at User_talk:Jimbo_Wales/Archive_209. Various people have reported that emails sent by this feature did not arrive. At the moment it is best to send an email directly to the address, eg .-- ♦Ian Ma c M♦  (talk to me) 05:54, 23 September 2016 (UTC)


 * Ian – many thanks for that advice. This may be worse for the email sender, who might reasonably assume their heartfelt message has been totally ignored.
 * Jimbo – sorry, I was just declining that "sweetener" of $500 you offered me to stand for Adminship again (and the promise of a crushing anonymous “supervote”). But I wholly support you, of course, in your bid to rename the project “Trump-o-pedia”. Kind regards. Martinevans123 (talk) 09:15, 23 September 2016 (UTC) p.s. if I can actually remember what it said, I'll delete most of the swear words and try and send the email again!

Last Word
Apparently you don't know when to let it rest either, apparently because you think you're hilarious. That's great. So, your buddy reopened a thread that was last commented on days ago. Three days ago I went to his page not to reopen the thread, but to remind him that he doesn't have the basis to lecture me on policy. He saw it fit to kick me off his page, which is quite typical when you have no clue what you're talking about. Do you know how many admins would love to tell me I'm full of shit? Meh. Clueless. If you'd like to join "us" on my page for a wee policy discussion, please do. Otherwise: your opinion is utterly useless to me. Doc  talk  14:03, 23 September 2016 (UTC)
 * Yes, Cassianto emailed me to say he appreciated that. Didn't realise that you two were such buddies. I think edit warring on a third party's Talk Page is really a step too far, but hey, it's up to EEng, I guess. It's his page. Am keen to learn about correct "piss period" etiquette, however. Thanks for the kind words of encouragement. Eight years you say? Wow. Martinevans123 (talk) 14:11, 23 September 2016 (UTC)
 * A revert isn't edit-warring. Come on, now! No one could change anything otherwise. Edit-warring is multiple reversions, easily demonstrable. Slow edit-warring? Really... Doc   talk  14:16, 23 September 2016 (UTC)
 * That didn't look very slow to me. I guess things must move much quicker in your world. As I said, EEng should have the final say about what is or isn't on his page. Within reason, of course. But do tell us about correct insult protocol. Martinevans123 (talk) 14:23, 23 September 2016 (UTC)
 * Who cares about insults when we have congratulations to degrade a person? (Response on my talk, not there, look for "Mad dog not pictured".) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 14:28, 23 September 2016 (UTC)
 * First we probably should get edit warring defined for you. My revert on that page was not "edit warring". Yet you described it as such, twice! Per WP:EW, first sentence: "An edit war occurs when editors who disagree about the content of a page repeatedly override each other's contributions." "Repeatedly override" is not just one revert. Please tell no one, ever, that it is again. Doc   talk  14:33, 23 September 2016 (UTC)
 * (ec) Hi Doc. I was recently (mentioned 7 Sep) amused about edit warring and predictably more of it, did me no good. - I thought of you when I did not send a reminder of who was precious on a 17 Sep ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 14:44, 23 September 2016 (UTC)
 * Listen: you are one of the best! Best attitude ever! I'm not even annoyed anymore. Cheers, Gerda! Doc   talk  14:59, 23 September 2016 (UTC)
 * the upgrade. Don't you think you exaggerate a bit, talking to an odious person and infobox mafiosa who drove away all the important FA writers, allegedly? I found the template in a 2012 discussion that was used in a 2016 ARCA. I never saw that discussion before but found nothing new ;) - First support - with the template - by teh user, short and sweet ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 15:54, 23 September 2016 (UTC)
 * Great to see you can quote the exact letter of policy law there. That must make you very popular, I guess. Perhaps it also makes you "right" here? And how are you on civility? Martinevans123 (talk) 14:38, 23 September 2016 (UTC)
 * You said I was edit warring by making that revert. Explain your rationale for how it was edit warring. Doc   talk  14:39, 23 September 2016 (UTC)
 * Um, you told me, six minutes earlier: "Please tell no one, ever, that it is again." Not too sure what you're expecting of me now. But about the "Piss. Off" - are those just two random words you found and decided to tastefully separate with a period? Martinevans123 (talk) 16:04, 23 September 2016 (UTC)


 * FWIW, Doc and I are most certainly not friends, Martin. He is a lowly piece of work for whom I show nothing but contempt.  (Btw, check your emails).   Cassianto <sup style="font-family:Papyrus;">Talk   20:31, 23 September 2016 (UTC)
 * Haha, yes I did check, and for me "was funny", from a such a prize grouch as yourself, is high praise indeed. I wonder what's happened to our "Full Stop Doc". Off playing skittles perhaps? Martinevans123 (talk) 21:12, 23 September 2016 (UTC) ... I guess we can't all be "the most powerful man in the Universe".
 * ...off playing with a grizzly bear would be more my preference. I also chuckled (rather a lot, actually) at 's image on my talk earlier.  Very funny.   Cassianto <sup style="font-family:Papyrus;">Talk   21:25, 23 September 2016 (UTC)
 * Haha, Threesie is a man after my own heart, of course. I knew you were on a diet, but that's ridiculous. I wanted to ask our Doc where he stood on that vile ignoramus racist bigot "Doc Trump". Most folks would choose the head, I think? Martinevans123 (talk) 21:39, 23 September 2016 (UTC)
 * Careful now, immigrants like him! ---Sluzzelin talk  23:39, 23 September 2016 (UTC)
 * Haha, thanks for that. Maz Jobrani is quite a hoot. Martinevans123 (talk) 08:49, 24 September 2016 (UTC)
 * Ah, a "lowly piece of work", eh? Why, some would rightfully consider that a "personal attack"! Thankfully, unlike some ( *cough* ), my skin's a bit thicker than most. I have zero "friends" here: even admins who used to openly agree with me now stay far away for fear of "reprisals" from the herd. See, I didn't come here to make friends. Know this: I'm not a moron, and I will call anyone out at anytime if I see fit to. Chuckles! Doc   talk  08:37, 24 September 2016 (UTC)
 * Zero sounds a bit ambitious. But I guess Chuckles are much safer than Skittles, aren't they. Martinevans123 (talk) 08:51, 24 September 2016 (UTC)
 * Chuckles are very "old school", pretty decent. Has the party prank of putting out the big bowl of Reese's Pieces, M&M's and Skittles, all mixed together, been fully explored? It has serious potential... Doc   talk  08:58, 24 September 2016 (UTC)
 * Don't forget a few cough sweets. Martinevans123 (talk) 09:00, 24 September 2016 (UTC)
 * When we met, DOC, we mused about a list of enemies for me, and you were on it. Looks like that changed ;) - My most recent list of - how should I call them? - "people who think wrongly think I'm influential and a list of articles causes targeting" is linked above. - As the Coward discussion shows, you best leave the last word to Cassianto, or he will comment again, but I still consider him a friend ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 09:20, 24 September 2016 (UTC)
 * Whooah Gerda! Who are you calling a coward?? Back off, sister!! As if anyone would ever keep "a list enemies". How ridiculous. Martinevans123 (talk) 09:31, 24 September 2016 (UTC) p.s. has anyone got any spare pins??
 * His name is Noël. The first list formed itself, called "pride and prejudice", archived end of 2015, - I seriously thought then that we were done arguing if a FA may at the same time serve idiots or not. Look at Falstaff, TFA on 1 January 2016 as a hopeful beginning of the year. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:43, 24 September 2016 (UTC)
 * Ah yes, it seems Christmas has come early. As you will know, my own contributions to most FAs are usually rather short and sweet. Martinevans123 (talk) 13:02, 24 September 2016 (UTC)
 * I mentioned the opera - with a concluding fugue about nothing serious on Earth and we are all born fools - in my greeting for the new year, DYK? - I wrote an FA for 27 Sep that will not appear that day because something else was scheduled by the time it found support ;) - "sweet" is part of the title, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:19, 24 September 2016 (UTC)
 * Ah yes, "here I am surrounded, by sorrow and wretchedness". But I'm sure things will improve, Gerda! Hope we see it sometime later. I must find a copy to listen to. Martinevans123 (talk) 21:43, 24 September 2016 (UTC)
 * Thank you, from Bratislava, things improve when you have better things to think about ;) - A cousin died 14 Sep, putting our little sorrows in perspective. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:05, 25 September 2016 (UTC)
 * I am sorry to hear that. I have never visited and would love to. I found this, with Matthew White. How wonderful. Martinevans123 (talk) 21:14, 25 September 2016 (UTC)
 * Back home. Anything to be added to Dafydd Llywelyn. Bells written in his memory. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 19:52, 29 September 2016 (UTC)
 * Welcome home, Gerda. I'll take a look. Martinevans123 (talk) 20:00, 29 September 2016 (UTC)
 * Thank you! I was requested (see my talk) to translate the article that started this year for me. They will do a memorial concert for him 5 October, - so I did right away. - The bells are ringing at the Beethovenfest, DYK? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:21, 29 September 2016 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the info. "Beethoven?? Schmeethoven!!" ... we can't have any true geniuses turning up at DYK, can we? Martinevans123 (talk) 22:28, 29 September 2016 (UTC)
 * My last word here: DYK that the infobox for him was first seen in the arbcomcase workshop (guess by whom?), then added to the article as the community consensus by the former arb who had written the case. As I sometimes say: expect any absurdity when it comes to infoboxes. Wonder what will happen in case3 which seems inevitable. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:38, 29 September 2016 (UTC)
 * And a last word from Cassianto, it seems, who has now gone to that red letter infobox in the sky? Martinevans123 (talk) 22:44, 29 September 2016 (UTC)
 * A bold prediction: they'll be back. Again. Jus' saying'... Doc   talk  05:44, 30 September 2016 (UTC)
 * That really is great song. Doc   talk  09:37, 24 September 2016 (UTC)
 * Ah. Now we're getting somewhere. Before you know it, we'll all be going out for a bargain bucket. Martinevans123 (talk) 09:45, 24 September 2016 (UTC)
 * "Kenny!" Doc   talk  09:57, 24 September 2016 (UTC)
 * Nice clip. Sorry you've been given such a roasting, Doc. We all make mistakes, don't we, even political ones. Martinevans123 (talk) 10:27, 24 September 2016 (UTC)

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Thank you
Martin, you are a "very naughty boy" to make that nomination, and I wholeheartedly thank you for it. I feel very honoured that my contributions are being noticed. I sit quietly in my "shed", enjoying myself doing what I do, my wife does not understand it, but as well as pleasing myself, I hope I am leaving behind something for present and future readers of WP. In the nomination you mentioned my work on churches. I am sorry to say that I became a bit bored with churches and have moved on to listed buildings, producing lists for each parish and unparished area, where that had not been done before. Up to now I have ensured that there are lists for all these areas in Cheshire, Merseyside and Lancashire, and I am now working through Cumbria. It's fascinating, and one discovers and learns so much as the work proceeds. It's so pleasurable, that honours are not really necessary, but when they come, wow, that IS a bonus. Keep up your good work, too. Cheers. --Peter I. Vardy (talk) 20:07, 24 September 2016 (UTC)
 * I must apologise for you having your good name sullied by association with mine. Your editing epitomises the way I think Wikipedia was suppose to work - diligent, industrious, meticulous and with the minimum amount of fuss. You certainly deserve this award. Martinevans123 (talk) 21:38, 24 September 2016 (UTC)
 * p.s. "Blessed are the cheesemakers."

Is the jukebox closed?
For your delectation, delight, and distraction I give you Cab Calloway performing Minnie the Moocher (animated version with Betty Boop). The forerunner of MTV videos? Robevans123 (talk) 17:10, 25 September 2016 (UTC)
 * No, it's just hiding a little, after some disparaging remarks from Fram. Please add whatever you like! That's a belter from Cab, isn't it. Betty a groundbreaker. And we all wonder where Jacko got "his" moonwalk?! (... although let's face it, he was pretty amazing. Martinevans123 (talk) 17:38, 25 September 2016 (UTC)
 * Cab also prety handy at the old scat (recorded 2 July 1935: ). A superb sax solo there also, but unable to pin down who it was. Martinevans123 (talk) 17:42, 25 September 2016 (UTC)
 * It's from the same Chicago session where they laid down a scatty "Nagasaki". Bill Blue and Andrew "Flat" Brown were on sax duties then, with Bunky Harris and Foots Thomas assisting. Blue isn't credited on "Nobody", so I'm guessing the solo's Brown? --Hillbillyholiday talk 18:57, 25 September 2016 (UTC) You can talk that talk but can you play that sax?
 * Well Billy, You Rascal You! Many thanks for that!! (Although it sounds more like an alto than a tenor to me, so maybe it is Bill Blue or even Foots, especially as he probably arranged it?) I see that Cab gets a name check at Nagasaki (song). What a bizarre song. Not so popular after 6 August 1945, I suspect. Martinevans123 (talk) 20:08, 25 September 2016 (UTC) p.s. I see there is an article for Foots, but not for Flat or Bunky. Note: Foots Thomas had his nickname years before Calloway's band, apparently:
 * p.p.s. and thanks for reminding me, via that discogs page ( but where is "Nobody" in there, I dont see it? ) that, quite a few years ago, I got to see the wonderful Slim Gaillard at the Brecon Jazz Festival and I well rememeber that he brought the house down with his version of Calloway's "Zah Zuh Zah". He often seemed to be the musical reincarnation of Calloway and it was a real privilege to see him, if only once.
 * Sorry, buggered up the discogs link, it should've been this. (6-3)
 * Ah right, so mystery solved, that was Flat Brown on alto it seems. Martinevans123 (talk) 17:58, 26 September 2016 (UTC)
 * Lucky you! I only knew Gaillard from Hellzapoppin'. Just watched some fantastic clips on youtube...My God! The *size* of his mitts! --Hillbillyholiday talk 17:07, 26 September 2016 (UTC)
 * Haha yes, not many pianists who could play solos with their hands upside down! Martinevans123 (talk) 18:03, 26 September 2016 (UTC)

Rising Damp
Was you a fan? I know you have an interest in this era. I forgot how wonderful this series was, if a little dated.  Cassianto <sup style="font-family:Papyrus;">Talk   20:09, 25 September 2016 (UTC)
 * Haha "have an interest in this era" is very polite of you! A work of comic genius, of course. Often more subtle than those later years at "Sunshine Deserts", I think Martinevans123 (talk) 20:37, 25 September 2016 (UTC)
 * "I didn't get where I am today by not enjoying both series!!" On a different note I am amazed at the length and variety of Frances de la Tour's career. I still think that her teaming with Bob Hoskins in Flickers can be mentioned in the same conversation with Hepburn and Tracy. Cheers to you both and I hope you have a delightful week. MarnetteD&#124;Talk 20:47, 25 September 2016 (UTC)
 * I've never seen that and am now mightily intrigued. Martinevans123 (talk) 20:57, 25 September 2016 (UTC) p.s. "I didn't get where I am today by everything smelling of Bolivian uni-cyclist's jockstrap... "
 * ...smelling of something, certainly!  Cassianto <sup style="font-family:Papyrus;">Talk   21:15, 25 September 2016 (UTC)
 * I hope it is available for you M. Over here it never made it to VHS so the small group of devotees (of which I am a part) were ecstatic when it finally made it to DVD. It is a wonderful tribute to the early (very) years of film-making with many wonderful performances. The final lines sum up the fun/joy of films for both those in front of the camera and us in the audience. MarnetteD&#124;Talk 21:07, 25 September 2016 (UTC)
 * I watched an episode where Rigsby was led to believe the lodgings were haunted by "the Grey Lady". I laughed so much I thought I was going to slip off the naughty step.  Lovely to see you !    Cassianto <sup style="font-family:Papyrus;">Talk   20:52, 25 September 2016 (UTC)
 * I well remember that episode . MarnetteD&#124;Talk 21:07, 25 September 2016 (UTC)
 * It's very funny. The series was before my time, but the best ones usually were.   Cassianto <sup style="font-family:Papyrus;">Talk   21:25, 25 September 2016 (UTC)
 * Gosh it is great to see Le Petomane again. Thanks for the link . So in June of 1980 - after a few days of hiking in the French countryside - I take the night train(s) and ferry to London. That morning, while wandering around the west end seeing the sights, I spy the names Leonard Rossiter and Prunella Scales on a theatre marquee. At that point I don't care what the play is I know I am going to see it that night. I buy a ticket in the second row of the royal circle of the Theatre Royal Haymarket and get to see Make and Break. What those sitting close to this slightly ripe Yank in his bib overalls, blue and gold striped rugby shirt and Chuck Taylor high top tennis shoes thought I can't imagine. I only hope they enjoyed the play half as much as I did :-) MarnetteD&#124;Talk 23:14, 25 September 2016 (UTC)

'Running' for President
Hi Martin, long time no see (as it were) – I hope you're well. According to our beloved WP, cocaine can cause loss of contact with reality and a persistent runny nose – but that certainly wasn't the cause of Trump's sniffles in the TV debate. After all, only a delusional demagogic hater would be fuelled by opiates… JezGrove (talk) 10:15, 27 September 2016 (UTC)
 * Hmm, whatever would that other demon snorter have said? No doubt something about the size of Trumps hands. Anyone remember the "The Ballad of Snivelling and Grudge"?? Martinevans123 (talk) 10:26, 27 September 2016 (UTC)
 * Brilliant. My god, that elixir's strong! Robevans123 (talk) 12:09, 27 September 2016 (UTC)

Monty Python's (I don't give a) Flying Facebook
Hmmm, a cure for all diseases – now where did Zuckerberg get THAT idea, I wonder? (With all due credit to everyone who shared this before it came my way, of course – and my apologies if it has come your way already!) JezGrove (talk) 22:56, 27 September 2016 (UTC)


 * Not sure he can even play the flute. But I hear he is quite good on the trumpet. Martinevans123 (talk) 07:47, 28 September 2016 (UTC)


 * Oh dear! As a trombonist, I know that nerves can affect one's performance, but I've always known when to stop playing early and call for a taxi. Robevans123 (talk) 20:18, 29 September 2016 (UTC)


 * Wow, in the company of some greats there, Robbo, including one of my all time favourites Bob Brookmeyer (... here with Stan-the-Man, in something well lush). Martinevans123 (talk) 20:46, 29 September 2016 (UTC)


 * That was Lush! A great jazz standard played by two jazz greats. Diolch. Feeling the hiraeth at the moment after working on Pontypool Free Press. I wish to be known as the Herald of the Hills. Maybe you should be the Looshpah of the Levels... Feeling autumnal, and in need of a valve operation. Robevans123 (talk) 21:48, 29 September 2016 (UTC)


 * Ooh, that is beautiful ! What's the collective noun for Marsalises? A "lush"?? A great shame that Brian doesn't usually have a trombonist. Here he is with Daniel Lanois. Martinevans123 (talk) 22:01, 29 September 2016 (UTC) The Goldcliff Gremlin is fine by me!

Hmm....
In honor of your Talkpage TOC being the coolest thing I've seen on Wikipedia in almost ten years of editing, I decided to take the test on your user page.

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 * Fret ye not, mind fully warped already. It may take some time to fully evaluate the results. But rest assured, whatever the outcome, it will be a real blot on your record book. Martinevans123 (talk) 13:11, 30 September 2016 (UTC)

"What Soo? Mr Matthew put his hand where?!"
So now Sooty is the latest BBC children's entertainer to be outed for his behaviour in the 1970s - the catchphrase "Izzy wizzy, let's get busy!" will never be the same again. JezGrove (talk) 13:38, 30 September 2016 (UTC)


 * Ooh err, Sooty Ungloved sounds a little "too near the knuckle" for my liking. Ah, so!.Martinevans123 (talk) 13:51, 30 September 2016 (UTC)

Cas and Shrodo
This sucks. I dont think even Leonard Cohen felt as sorry in his darkest days. Bleak links pls..Hillybilly also if you are watching. Hit me. I'll start with. Ceoil (talk) 08:34, 1 October 2016 (UTC)
 * Fuck me, that's a bit maudlin. Was thinking RHP or SKM for a good dose of miserablism. But maybe you need something a little more upbeat? --Hillbillyholiday talk 09:58, 1 October 2016 (UTC) ...btw, it's beat up shoes on waiting!
 * probably captures the mood better &#8209; Iridescent 10:11, 1 October 2016 (UTC)
 * One for you Iridescent. --Hillbillyholiday talk 10:21, 1 October 2016 (UTC)
 * One of the more surreal moment in my Wikipedia history was a (real life) argument with Gina Birch over the quality of her Wikipedia bio (which is still godawful, but probably unimprovable as there's no real biography of her to work from). The odd thing about the Raincoats is that their best songs are probably covers by other people, especially Dan Treacy's cover of 'No-one's Little Girl' and Hole's take on 'The Void'—Ana & Gina's affected flatness is striking at first but gets grating quite quickly. &#8209; Iridescent 14:24, 1 October 2016 (UTC)
 * Oh lovely, new to me Hillbilly. Almost as pretty miserabilism . I dont know what she does to sustain at the end of each sentence. Ceoil (talk) 10:23, 1 October 2016 (UTC)
 * My girlfriend recently expressed her dislike of the twins. Naturally, I dumped her there and then. --Hillbillyholiday talk 10:44, 1 October 2016 (UTC)
 * Could she do me some nylons? Martinevans123 (talk) 15:59, 1 October 2016 (UTC)

In good hands?
Noticing the incoming weather in south Wales, I was looking at Emergency planning in Wales and it's good to see you're in good hands. The most useful advice I could find there was on colouring in and 2.5D modelling, but this is the best advice... Robevans123 (talk) 10:42, 1 October 2016 (UTC)
 * As long as we get some good Welsh crayons, I really don't mind! Martinevans123 (talk) 15:57, 1 October 2016 (UTC)

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 * DPL bot, you're such a gentleman gentle-non-sentient-machine-with-apparently-human-qualities. You never swear and you're never uncivil. I just don't know how you do it. You're our hero!! Martinevans123 (talk) 15:55, 1 October 2016 (UTC)


 * Why do you say this to your best mucker? I thought you were getting on so well. Robevans123 (talk) 12:05, 8 October 2016 (UTC)
 * Now listen here Robbo, butty, .... I have a recognised medical condition, have been severely baited for months... and now have deep suspicions (via Wikipediocracy) that DLP is in fact a disgusting sock!! Martinevans123 (talk) 12:15, 8 October 2016 (UTC)

October 2016
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 * So you finally came out of the IP shadows to scold me? But it seems quite a few other editors think exactly the same as I do and reverted for exactly the same reason. Sorry if I took one of my turns too early. Do you think you'll me raising my edits at WP:AN3 and asking for me to be blocked? Martinevans123 (talk) 21:37, 2 October 2016 (UTC)

Beethoven and the Welsh colleague
Today was the concert at the Beethovenfest (a rough start of an article) of the Bells for Dafydd Llywelyn, without me, we had dress rehearsal for Elijah, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:44, 2 October 2016 (UTC)
 * Many thanks for telling me, Gerda. I will try and take a look at both. Martinevans123 (talk) 21:46, 2 October 2016 (UTC)
 * Even on YouTube, did you notice? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:54, 8 October 2016 (UTC)


 * Das Verdandi-Trio? I have now, thanks! Martinevans123 (talk) 13:00, 8 October 2016 (UTC)


 * The Fest got much better (the article, I mean). Next on YouTube: OREYA, samples in the article. Our conductor watched them work, for example having the different elements of a chord expressed with different vowel colour, fifth bright, none dark, etc. Amazing.Watch their development for several years now. They come by bus in several days. We had several American guests, including a choral conductor. She and all others gave standing ovations! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:38, 20 October 2016 (UTC)


 * Wow, they sound interesting. I will definitely try and track them down! Thanks, Gerda. Martinevans123 (talk) 20:41, 20 October 2016 (UTC)

Next Welsh colleague Robert W. Jones, - can't believe that he has a German article, but not English! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 10:53, 24 October 2016 (UTC)
 * Many thanks. Gerda. That looks like an easy one. I watched Cantata Memoria: For the children on BBC Four last night. I suppose we can expect Karl Jenkins to at least be accessible. At first I felt disappointed, as it all sounded a bit too accessible - like a lot of nursery rhymes and Missa bits and pieces stitched together. And a bit hurried. But as it progressed I found it quite moving and unlifting. One doesn't often get English, Welsh and Latin all in the same libretto. Having Terfel there was obviously a big plus. There were some wonderful moments. And none of it gloomy. Martinevans123 (talk) 12:14, 24 October 2016 (UTC)


 * I can imagine: when we sang his Gloria we got applause in the middle of a church concert (!) after the Hebrew Psam 100, both concerts! Yes, uplifting. Now we get ready for the next uplift: Laudato si' by Peter Reulein, lyrics Helmut Schlegel, long discussion my talk, but in German. The only Hebrew in that piece (not counting tons of Halleluja and Amen) is "Shalom elechem", coming with Klezmer music, to illustrate the wedding at Kana, while one Francis sings Tarantella and the other tango. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 15:51, 24 October 2016 (UTC)
 * ps: I saw Terfel as Falstaff in Salzburg, in 2001! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 15:53, 24 October 2016 (UTC)
 * I must admit I really enjoyed the Cantata Memoria. I don't mind a bit of accessibility so long as it doesn't descend into triteness. One of the parts of Cantata is a Bach chorale - not sure which one. BTW the version shown on BBC4 last night was a slightly shortened version.
 * Here's a list of what is currently available (don't know if these will be much use to Gerda as BBC output on iPlayer can be a bit restricted if you are outside the UK):
 * Cantata Memoria - the complete work, 63 minutes 15 days left to watch - no download - has to be watched live
 * concert including Cantata Memoria 83 minutes 15 days left to watch. In Welsh with subtitles - no download - has to be watched live. Concert including Ynysowen Male Voice Choir (formed from the Aberfan Tip Removal Committee) singing with the school children from Aberfan today, Sian Philips, various others and much of the Cantata
 * Highlights of concert including much, but not all, of Cantata Memoria - 60 minutes 29 days left - downloadable
 * documentary on Cantata Memoria (in Welsh with English subtitles) - 24 minutes 14 days left - no download - has to be watched live
 * The Cantata is also available on CD (recorded at Abbey Studios and released by Deutsche Grammophon). Robevans123 (talk) 17:07, 24 October 2016 (UTC)
 * Thanks Rob, that's very comprehensive! I feel a few teaks to the Aberfan disaster article coming on.... if not a brand new article for the Cantata? Martinevans123 (talk) 17:52, 24 October 2016 (UTC)
 * You're welcome, and feel free to teak tweak away, or wood would you be meaning something else? I'll put a list of the currently available documentaries, along with the Cantata programmes, on to the Aberfan Disaster talk page. I don't have the technology to record from iPlayer to something more permanent, so I think I'll try to do a transcription of the documentaries - there's quite a lot of useful information that could be used in references.
 * Did you catch Aberfan: The Green Hollow last night? Thought it was very good. The Cantata should definitely have an article of it's own. I'll do it soon-ish unless you want to leap in.
 * BTW Gerda I've just read that the performance and documentary mentioned above are available on S4C's international site "s4c.cymru/international" if you can't access them on the BBC website. Robevans123 (talk) 18:47, 24 October 2016 (UTC)
 * That looks promising, - indeed BBC doesn't supply me anything but an explanatipon why they think I'm not in the UK ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 19:07, 24 October 2016 (UTC)

Back to Beethoven: celebrate! - An average of 7k readers see the composer's infobox a day, and no one has complained. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 23:33, 4 November 2016 (UTC)
 * A real box office hit. No complaints? They're probably too afraid. Martinevans123 (talk) 09:42, 5 November 2016 (UTC)

Today we celebrate Carolin Emcke who won a peace prize, for writing "mute force" and "how we desire" among others, and moderates "streitraum". --Gerda Arendt (talk) 09:43, 5 November 2016 (UTC)

What a Farage-go
The last thing I'd have expected from UKIP – piss up in brewery officially cancelled! JezGrove (talk) 22:52, 4 October 2016 (UTC)
 * I guess she just wants to be "the ordinary man in the pub? Martinevans123 (talk) 11:22, 5 October 2016 (UTC)
 * I did nearly joke the other day that they should choose the next leader on the basis of the last man/woman standing – but I thought it would be alcohol rather than fisticuffs that whittled them down one by one... JezGrove (talk) 13:04, 6 October 2016 (UTC)
 * "... was taken to hospital in Strasbourg for tests." No comment on what those tests might be. But let's hope he survives them. Martinevans123 (talk) 13:10, 6 October 2016 (UTC)
 * "Hook 'em? I always bloody-well flatten 'em mate!" ... p.s. Woolfe reported later tonght that he was "feeling brighter".
 * Great news! (But 'feeling brighter' - won't that disqualify him if they find something when they do the next brain scan?!) JezGrove (talk) 21:09, 6 October 2016 (UTC)
 * "Oh, how we laughed!" If only I could get me head round these darned new Euros. Martinevans123 (talk) 21:13, 6 October 2016 (UTC)
 * No wonder UKippers prefer to think in shillings. JezGrove (talk) 22:50, 6 October 2016 (UTC)

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 * Did someone mention Prada Willy Syndrome?? Martinevans123 (talk) 10:06, 5 October 2016 (UTC)

Here's something to disrupt your supper
I thought you might appreciate this one. The Miami Dolphins' season seemingly goes "tits down" as two of their granny cheerleaders.

Derek R Bullamore (talk) 22:46, 5 October 2016 (UTC)


 * Haha, stunning. Certainly puts Our Katie to shame. Martinevans123 (talk) 22:49, 5 October 2016 (UTC)

Temperton
Just realised I've stomped all over your edits. FIGHT!!!. Ghmyrtle (talk) 12:47, 7 October 2016 (UTC)
 * You have to make such a song and dance don't you!? Ha ha, no worries, stomp on dude. You've obvously learned how to get my sympathy at this sorry excuse for a Talk Page. To use wholly inmapproprate analogy... I was attempting a few home-made tweaks, whereas you've come right in with the big guns. I see that reception to my RD nomination over at WP:ITN/C has been "less than lukewarm". So it doesn't really matter a whole hill of beans at the moment. By the way - your edits are a massive improvement. Martinevans123 (talk) 12:59, 7 October 2016 (UTC)

Mirror
This is a simple mirror of the article before your recent edits; it even credits the original article. The site scrapes random images from the Internet, usually 100% copyright violations, to decorate. This is simple content scraper to serve ads. Please revert. Kuru  (talk)  12:48, 8 October 2016 (UTC)
 * Copying over to Talk:Andrew Vicari. Thanks. Martinevans123 (talk) 12:52, 8 October 2016 (UTC)

Disambiguation link notification for October 8
Wha gwaan, Martin? Me see yuh mek some wutless links di adda day point fi dis-hambiguation pages. Blood fiah... Dat deh ah fake ting man, dem gi yuh ah baaskit fi cyaary waata, cuz ah dis-hambiguation page him jus ah "Did you mean..." haartical tyital. Why yuh na read FAQ* Man dem cyan join dis chupid DPL WikiProject.


 * User talk:Martinevans123check him] | fix him)
 * Yuh hadd ah link point fi Wikipediocracy

Yuh need fi stap fram bitch up di job an do it propaly. Yuh wan fi stap receivin me message, folla di hopt-out hin-structions. Try cross mi lane an yuh bloodclaat dead. DPL bot (talk)


 * "Laaaaaaaaaaaarrrrrrd, Mi Cyaan Believe It!!" Martinevans123 (talk) 15:54, 8 October 2016 (UTC)


 * What ho Marty!. I say, some of chaps are rather confused about whether to insult/inslut/inlsut/inlust you or whatever. Jeeves is suggesting we insulate you on your talk page. Toodle Pip.
 * And just what are you insiltuating?? Martinevans123 (talk) 17:16, 8 October 2016 (UTC) I love those type of dolls, don't you? just like that nice Mr Trump.


 * Nice links - and I mean that most sincerely, folks, honestly. Robevans123 (talk) 17:41, 8 October 2016 (UTC)
 * Meesa thinking meesa sayin' my should be talkin' to you everydays from now on like Bom-bad Otoh Gungan, okeeday? And my no know, but meesa' been needing to slip in them closin' tags, and *bam*, formattin' problems fixed!  Yeaahhh!  Laughing Vulcan Grok Page! 01:30, 11 October 2016 (UTC)

Foo Foo fighters?
Do you reckon that Thailand's sadly missed air chief marshal was still a trainee fighter pilot? Oops, that's 15 years in jail for me then.... JezGrove (talk) 19:16, 14 October 2016 (UTC)
 * Haha, yes. You've certainly landed yourself well and truly in the soup. Martinevans123 (talk) 19:33, 14 October 2016 (UTC) p.s. he was great in cabaret though, wasn't he?? .... "Chang Sperms on drum!"
 * Yikes! And I assumed Air marshal Foo Foo had died in a dogfight, not in a dogdgy(!) meal…. That’s another 15 years, I suppose – does that make me "an habitual criminal", I wonder? JezGrove (talk) 22:21, 14 October 2016 (UTC)
 * Yes, probably a job for Dixon of Dog Green. Martinevans123 (talk) 22:30, 14 October 2016 (UTC)
 * In that case, I better scamper. JezGrove (talk) 22:35, 14 October 2016 (UTC)
 * Yes, I think you better had, Jez --Hillbillyholiday talk 11:17, 17 October 2016 (UTC)
 * I pity that foo'. Laughing Vulcan Grok Page! 11:54, 17 October 2016 (UTC)

Market Drayton
I have removed content you added to the above article, as it appears to have been copied from http://www.stmarysmarketdrayton.org.uk/history_6.html, a copyright web page. All content you add to Wikipedia must be written in your own words. Please let me know if you have any questions or if you think I made a mistake. — Diannaa 🍁 (talk) 23:27, 16 October 2016 (UTC)
 * I give up. Obviously a waste of your time. To me they're just facts. Yes, they are the same words, in a slightly different order. As ever, I'd be very interested to see how you personally would be able to paraphrase that material, in a way that wasn't "too close". Thanks. Martinevans123 (talk) 09:06, 17 October 2016 (UTC)
 * Hmm. As facts aren't subject to copyright, perhaps we should purge every extraneous word from every article, rendering them all as extended infoboxes? Problem solved! and it sure would make for a fun read. --Hillbillyholiday talk 12:16, 17 October 2016 (UTC)
 * Don't give up, on us baby. Sorry for the two most downbeat, dare I say turgid, records I could find. Soul was a lot more fun in Mack and Mabel, and Bush has reached greater heights. Maybe you should try all the right words in the wrong order... I await the requested paraphrase with interest. Robevans123 (talk) 12:31, 17 October 2016 (UTC)
 * Awaiting likewise. Diannaa 🍁 - we're "all ears". Martinevans123 (talk) 15:24, 17 October 2016 (UTC)
 * Rob! Oh no, it's the curse of Hutch! Possibly one of the worse records ever made, there. But Ee-ee and the Progfather is perhaps one of the best. As far as Diannaaaaaaa and her tame copybot are concerned, it's just exhausting. Martinevans123 (talk) 18:38, 17 October 2016 (UTC)
 * Yes - the Gabriel/Bush number is good, but very much a Gabriel number, and I feel the Bush contribution could have been done by any decent session singer. Could have been better if Bush's amazing variety of tone and colour (as in Running) had been given freer rein. Whispering Bob Evans (whisper) 13:27, 18 October 2016 (UTC)
 * Oooh, just picturing Kate without reins. Perish the thoughtMartinevans123 (talk) 13:47, 18 October 2016 (UTC)
 * Paraphrasing Billy Connolly, in a slightly different context, you have to grab these moments when they happen. Robevans123 (talk) 15:12, 18 October 2016 (UTC)
 * I have done some further amendments to the prose re-added by Hillbillyholiday about the windows and it sent from nearly complete overlap to nearly zero overlap. Content has to be written in your own words and not inclusive of the source material. It's been suggested that not so much as three words should be together in the same order as the source. One thing I find that works for me is to read over the source material and then pretend I am verbally describing the topic to a friend in my own words. Stuff should also be presented in a different order where possible. Summarize rather than paraphrase. This will typically result in your version being much shorter than the source document. There's some reading material on this topic at Wikipedia:Close paraphrasing and/or have a look at the material at Purdue. — Diannaa 🍁 (talk) 19:41, 17 October 2016 (UTC)


 * Thank you, Dianna. That is very helpful and thoughtful advice. I will try and use it, if I ever attempt another summary of a church. It's a great shame that your work is completely hidden at Market Drayton. I'm sure you'll willingly lend a hand if I create a new separate article for St Mary's, won't you? Martinevans123 (talk) 19:49, 17 October 2016 (UTC)
 * Now, I think I may have spotted "three words together in the same order as the source". But I am going to enjoy not telling you which. Martinevans123 (talk) 20:26, 17 October 2016 (UTC)
 * "'ere Billy, me ol' china, I 'ad one of them Canadian Copyrighters in the back of me medieval church cab the uvver nite.... blimey! but I don't care if she comes round 'ere". L L Zamenhof 123  (talk) 20:58, 17 October 2016 (UTC)
 * Well, there's a difference between saying "north side of the chancel" and copying something that comprises creative expression. — Diannaa 🍁 (talk) 21:06, 17 October 2016 (UTC)
 * whoaah! that's five!! Yes, I'm sure "creative expression" is the very last thing we expect, like the wonderfully poetic "Its replacement stood for many years in the chancel" or the painfully dramatic "when permission was finally granted by the family responsible". Eat ur heart out, Hills:
 * "Be kind and tender to the Frog, And do not call him names, As 'Slimy skin,' or 'Polly-wog,' Or likewise 'Ugly James" Martinevans123 (talk) 21:28, 17 October 2016 (UTC)
 * lol... "'Ello, 'Ello, 'Ello. It's a fair cop guv'nor." etc., etc. Cell 123, (Letsby Avenue) 22:24, 17 October 2016 (UTC)

Reference errors on 18 October
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 * You're such a tart RefBot. Just like that complete slag BracketBot. Martinevans123 (talk) 08:01, 19 October 2016 (UTC)

Doing the EU-okey cokey
Loved the remark from an EU diplomat quoted on Radio 4's PM earlier (if they said who exactly I missed it, and I'm paraphrasing a little, but you get the gist): "When the UK was in the EU, it only wanted to negotiate opt-outs. Now it's leaving the EU, it only wants to talk about opt-ins!" JezGrove (talk) 21:29, 20 October 2016 (UTC)
 * Haha, yes, that sounds about right. Did you see last Sunday's HIGNFY? I was thoroughly amused at the caption, suggested by "short-haired flat-shoed shovel-faced lesbian" Ruth Davidson, to that picture of Teresa May and the swordsman: "Now that's what I call a hard Brexit!" Martinevans123 (talk) 22:05, 20 October 2016 (UTC)
 * And it's good to see that the nutters are making plans for when they take over the asylum. Fortunately, this one got suspended. Robevans123 (talk) 22:08, 20 October 2016 (UTC)
 * Goodness me. That Cllr Christian Holliday, of the Guildford Conservative Association, makes some memorable politicians look comparatively sane. "Burpham and Warningcamp" sounds so appropriate, doesn't it? Martinevans123 (talk) 22:22, 20 October 2016 (UTC)
 * Very good! It seems the UK needs to learn its own lessons from 1955. JezGrove (talk) 22:27, 20 October 2016 (UTC)
 * Radio 4 unattributed (and paraphrased) EU diplomatic comment of the day (in response to Theresa May's "UK expects full EU role until Brexit" stuff, and either towards the end of PM or on the Six o'clock News): "Britain's acting like a husband who has told his wife he wants a divorce but won't say when, and expects to enjoy marital relations in the meantime…". JezGrove (talk) 19:20, 21 October 2016 (UTC)
 * Haha. I predict a messy divorce. Martinevans123 (talk) 14:46, 22 October 2016 (UTC)

Deep Purple explained…
Forget the Montreux Casino, now we know what Smoke on the Water was all about! "Black smoker" hydrothermal vents, obviously... JezGrove (talk) 22:48, 20 October 2016 (UTC)


 * What a deep groove. Martinevans123 (talk) 07:53, 21 October 2016 (UTC)

A page to watch
S. O. Davies is on the main page (with a link to a link to Aberfan disaster). It's also linked in "On this day...". Just reverted one silly edit. I'm sure there'll be more... Robevans123 (talk) 08:40, 21 October 2016 (UTC)

Regarding Jimmy Perry
Hi. Could we please sort out Jimmy Perry's article, in relation to his apparent death? There is only one source to this right now, and BLP states that information that can't be confirmed should be removed.

Since there is no confirmation from any news source that Perry is actually dead, I propose we remove it, as I'd already attempted to do.

If this turns out to be a hoax, it will be an egg on the face job for WP.

Thoughts?

Sunil The Mongoose (talk) 16:48, 23 October 2016 (UTC) Sunil The Mongoose (talk) 16:48, 23 October 2016 (UTC)


 * Just announced on BBC News? Martinevans123 (talk) 16:52, 23 October 2016 (UTC)

Bold or RM but not both please
By all means be bold and move articles to the titles that you think they should have (checking whether there's previous discussion and basing your choice of title on WP:AT of course), or raise an RM, but not both at once. That just wastes time.

If you find you can't move an article but think it's uncontroversial, put in a technical request at WP:RM. But please don't move an article to a placeholder. That just complicates things. TIA Andrewa (talk) 05:20, 24 October 2016 (UTC)


 * Did you read my explanation? As you will see from the history, the first move was a mistake. I would have moved it straight back but was prevented from doing so, because "title already exists". Would you prefer that I had left the title as a spelling mistake? Why shouldn't self reverts be allowed for such cases? Thanks. Martinevans123 (talk) 07:53, 24 October 2016 (UTC)


 * Could you please advise in case this happens again? Thanks. Martinevans123 (talk) 12:15, 24 October 2016 (UTC)


 * Thanks for your reply, and the time and effort you are putting into improving Wikipedia. I'm a volunteer too. WP:creed WP:creed


 * Yes, I read your explanation. It would have been irresponsible not to, considering the (small and easily fixed) mess you had created in good faith and the time I was about to invest in fixing it. Read it, thought I understood it, got a coffee. Did you read my request? Did you (re)-read the instructions at WP:RM to which I linked?


 * I repeat... please do not move to a placeholder. Just immediately raise a technical request. This sort of situation is exactly why we have technical requests. An admin can then immediately perform the move, without waiting for discussion (or will often raise a formal RM themselves if they feel discussion is required... or take other action, we're not encouraged to be quite as bold when using admin tools, but everything is recoverable... I've had to ask for part of the database to be restored from backup only once in many years of admin work, but a careless admin can cause real mayhem! And occasionally has... the record is about two days' partial downtime I think while things were fixed and recovered... our backups have improved since then... could be wrong, there may well have been more serious glitches I didn't even know about. And half a dozen times I've just had to ask a more experienced admin to fix my mess for me...).


 * Yes, there is often a backlog of technical requests. You might consider becoming a page mover or admin and help us with it! (You'd want to lurk a bit more on WP:RM before either I think... but perhaps not much more, and there are other things admins do too, and backlogs everywhere.) TRs still happen a lot quicker than full RMs, and take a lot less time for an admin to action on average, and most often nobody else needs to even know it happened.


 * If the move is very urgent there are other procedures... and procedures and procedures and procedures. WP:creed again! Feel free to raise a section on my talk page anytime (as you have done), but that may take a couple of days... or seconds... to action. It does no harm to ask in several places anytime you are really worried, and I'm happy to be one of them.


 * I think this discussion is time well spent for both of us. So do you understand what I am asking here, and why I am asking it?


 * Better still, do you think we can improve on this procedure, or on the documentation? I think it misled you, and if so, now your input is exactly what we need to tweak it so this happens less often.


 * We are all learners here. Self included. Any suggestion you make may just be thrown back in my face if I take it further and seek consensus to action it. Wouldn't be the first time. (-> We move on. WP:creed Andrewa (talk) 16:13, 24 October 2016 (UTC)


 * Thanks for your reply. Yes, ok... "I promise I will not move to a placeholder." I repeat, "I promise I will not move to a placeholder.", etc., etc.  I'm not sure "Gresford isaster" was really "a mess"? Just a slight mistake. Yes, I considered asking technical request. And yes, the expected wait put me off, yet again. Next time I'll just have to wait. Like I said, I don't see why a self revert, to the original title, should not be technicallt possible, for such finger-trouble cases. I'm not sure the ensuing discussion was a complete "waste of time", as some useful points were made. I tried to make it clear, to all commenters, what the intended move was - a waste of my time, I guess. Just surprised that you closed the move without a clear statement on whether or not "Gresford disaster" should never be considered a proper noun. "Proper noun" appears only once at MoS:CAPS. Why do we have London Beer Flood instead of London Beer flood? Martinevans123 (talk) 16:44, 24 October 2016 (UTC)


 * I've seen bigger messes! Agree that ideally, all self-reverts should be possible.


 * In closing the RM, I was evaluating the consensus rather than deciding the issue for myself. There was a rough consensus not to capitalise in my opinion. But see WP:creed for my take on consensus! I'm supposed to consider the validity of the arguments and discard those contrary to logic or policy, but not cast a supervote. It's a rather ambiguous situation.


 * I spent a decade in EDP audit. One of my standard lines in presentations was It's my job to give people who don't know as much about computers as they would like valid reasons for relying on the information that the computers are giving them. Problem one is, it may not be logically possible to do this... But it seemed to work... mostly...


 * We tend to go with usage as an overall principle, preferring descriptive grammar to prescriptive grammar. I can argue the capital D both ways personally, having done some studies of grammar myself, and would myself capitalise it! Just as I would capitalise Brown Snake to make it clear it wasn't just a brown variety of Tiger Snake. But I think Wikipedia is going to regard it as a description rather than a proper name, and we just need to move on from that. Both ways work. Andrewa (talk) 18:00, 24 October 2016 (UTC)

PS Love your talk page headers! Andrewa (talk) 18:00, 24 October 2016 (UTC)
 * Oooh, Andrew, flattery will get you everywhere, you snake in the grass, you. I'm sure your close was perfectly fine. Thank you for your diligence. I'll think twice before I move anything again. Martinevans123 (talk) 18:30, 24 October 2016 (UTC)

Isaac's Mum and Dad
I checked on Isaac's Wiki page but now also on ODNB. http://www.oxforddnb.com/view/article/20059?docPos=1. Here's the first few lines if you don't have access: "Newton, Sir Isaac (1642–1727), natural philosopher and mathematician, was born on 25 December 1642 in the manor house of Woolsthorpe, near Colsterworth, about 7 miles south of Grantham, Lincolnshire, the only and posthumous son of Isaac Newton (1606–1642), yeoman farmer, and his wife, Hannah (c. 1610–1679), daughter of James Ayscough, gentleman, of Market Overton, Rutland." Cheers, Brian Bmcln1 (talk) 22:39, 27 October 2016 (UTC)
 * Yes, that looks right, thanks. So why did you revert my edit over there? Martinevans123 (talk) 07:25, 28 October 2016 (UTC)
 * A case of hopeless confusion, I expect. Sorry. Are the dates correct now? Bmcln1 (talk) 10:06, 28 October 2016 (UTC)
 * Well, I've reverted again, so I think so. Martinevans123 (talk) 17:29, 28 October 2016 (UTC)

Stainland
Thanks for the Stainland edit - much appreciated. You might want to know that the pre-existing para on the Stainland Cross in that article is in part a copyvio (not your doing, I know) from the book which I've reffed in the William Swinden Barber article (A Concise History of the Parish and Vicarage of Halifax, in the County of York (1836), by John Crabtree, p.498: "Stainland Cross") which is in Google Books. Storye book (talk) 15:10, 29 October 2016 (UTC)
 * Don't tell Big D, whatever you do. But thanks. Martinevans123 (talk) 15:15, 29 October 2016 (UTC)
 * Haha OK. Storye book (talk) 17:01, 29 October 2016 (UTC)

Monnow Bridge
Martin, I wonder if you, and perhaps Ghmyrtle whom I've tried to ping, would be interested in seeing if we could take Monnow Bridge to FA? As the only bridge of its type in Britain, it more than merits it. I think there's plenty of material, although there'll be a temptation to rely too heavily on Rowlands. And it would be a nice contribution to Monmouth and GLAM/MonmouthpediA. Let me know what you think? Happy to try it alone, but thought it could be a fun collaboration. Best regards. KJP1 (talk) 07:01, 31 October 2016 (UTC)
 * Sounds like a good idea! Thanks for the invitation. I like a nice bit of bridge now and then. Martinevans123 (talk) 08:13, 31 October 2016 (UTC)
 * Excellent! I've just gone to check with Ghmyrtle to see what he thinks.  If he's on board, that would be great.  Otherwise, we'll have a go alone.  We need to agree tasks, but it shouldn't be hard - something like Castell Coch would probably do:

User:Hchc2009 would be a great peer reviewer, and would probably do it if asked. Looking forward to it. KJP1 (talk) 19:37, 31 October 2016 (UTC)
 * History by century / centuries
 * Architecture
 * Setting
 * Other, blah, blah.


 * I would have thought our old friend "Grym Turtle" would be keen, as it's upstream from one of his favourite haunts, after all. Martinevans123 (talk) 19:46, 31 October 2016 (UTC)


 * Trying to get articles to FA is not really my thing (I'm not experienced in it, I dislike both the process and the concept, and I wouldn't be very good at it anyway), and I certainly wouldn't want to take any responsibility for any part of the article - but I don't want to be unhelpful. I have some sources to hand, but I think most of them have already been used in the article.  Just looking at the article now, don't you feel there are too many old engravings, etc. - does each of them add something to the article?  As I say, I'm happy to help, but it might be best if those involved ask for any help I can give as they go along, and I will keep a watching brief (copy-editing, asking questions, etc.).   Ghmyrtle (talk) 20:19, 31 October 2016 (UTC)
 * Shucks. I was gonna say that too. Martinevans123 (talk) 20:40, 31 October 2016 (UTC)
 * Gentlemen, not a problem at all. Having done a few FACs, I can well understand why they are far from being everyone's cup of tea. I shall therefore have a go tout seul, but shall avail myself of the offer to ask for help as I go along.  And, as a starter for ten; yes, there are indeed far too many old engravings.  Reminds me of the St. Mary's page when it had the pictures of the vicar and the steeple totally obscured by scaffolding. Shall be in touch.  All the best.  KJP1 (talk) 22:56, 31 October 2016 (UTC)
 * A vicar totally obscured by scaffolding? Whatever next? Martinevans123 (talk) 23:08, 31 October 2016 (UTC)
 * Evening Martin, hope you're keeping well. I did initially put the date on Speed's map but my concern is it's the only illustration I've got for the 13th - 14th-centuries Section and, at 1611, it doesn't really qualify.  But no big deal either way, I suppose.  I'm quite pleased with how the article's come along. I don't think there's much left but I'm waiting for the National Library of Wales to get back to me re. Mary Ellen Bagnall-Oakeley's Monnow Bridge Tower as they seem to be the only institution in the whole world that may have a copy. Any and all suggestions/amendments much appreciated.  KJP1 (talk) 17:37, 29 January 2017 (UTC)
 * Hi KJP. Am very well, thanks. No worries on the caption, just an idea. Good luck with getting the book. Martinevans123 (talk) 18:33, 29 January 2017 (UTC)

Go Do Stuff
Glad to see it was a comment, and not an exhortation to get on with it! Diolch Robevans123 (talk) 23:18, 1 November 2016 (UTC)
 * Ah yes, the frozen wastes of Iceland! .... not the Jonesy we know best Martinevans123 (talk) 23:20, 1 November 2016 (UTC)
 * Very jolly! Just came across this interesting book - Catastrophe: A Guide to World's Worst Industrial Disasters - an ebook available for £12.02. The section on Aberfan looks very familiar, doesn't mention Wikipedia, and claims copyright. Where do we log such gross violations? Robevans123 (talk) 23:41, 1 November 2016 (UTC)
 * Shocking. Who would want to publish such rubbish in a real book. I guess we could always ask our friendly "Fairy Godmother of Copyright", Big D Corleone to take a look. Martinevans123 (talk) 08:31, 2 November 2016 (UTC)
 * There's some information on this topic at Mirrors and forks — Diannaa 🍁 (talk) 13:53, 2 November 2016 (UTC)
 * Many thanks, Diannaa. Martinevans123 (talk) 14:00, 2 November 2016 (UTC)
 * Also worth taking a look at Republishers. I feel the need to follow through on this. Any action needs to be taken by the copyright holders (that's us), rather than the WMF, but I need to check when the Aberfan article was copied. I suspect it was before I'd contributed. Just to clarify, anyone can take Wikipedia content and put it into a book (commercial or free), provided they acknowledge the source and contributors. If they don't, its copyvio, and if they claim copyright themselves, it's just adding insult to injury. Robevans123 (talk) 16:16, 2 November 2016 (UTC)
 * This seems quite paradoxical. I always thought that "copyright free" meant just that - i.e. no-one owns it, and no-one's permission is needed to reuse it. I imagined that these e-book republishers were adding some subtle visual enhancement that allowed them to claim the material was "unique". I also understood that any material that wasn't claarly marked with "copyright free", "public domain" etc., had to be assumed to be protected by copyright - at least this is what I have repeatedly been told when scolded for paraphrasing descriptions of church interiors too closely. Martinevans123 (talk) 16:41, 2 November 2016 (UTC)
 * Yes - it is a bit strange. What we contribute is not copyright free. The copyright remains with the contributors, but each time we hit the Save button we are licensing it to be used by anyone for any purpose, providing they acknowledge the source and how the material is licensed, as specified in the Creative Commons License and GNU Free Documentation License, and don't claim copyright themselves - they have to make the material free under a similar license. If they don't acknowledge this, then it becomes a copyright violation. In the same way if, for example, we use Crown Copyright material that is past the 50 year limit, we can quote from it verbatim, so long as we acknowledge the source and that the copyright still remains with the Crown. The copyright still remains with the creator, but they've licensed it to be freely re-used with certain conditions.
 * Anything that is copyright free (material past the various time limits from creation date, or that has been specifically released with no license requirements, for example, anything on Wikidata) can be used without restriction or acknowledgement. Robevans123 (talk) 17:52, 2 November 2016 (UTC)

Visit to Anglesey?
I was thinking of going to Anglesey next time I holiday in Wales but the strap line to a trailer for this program on BBC Wales read "Anglesey: Nurseries, night watchmen and bananas in back passages" put me off the idea... I suspect a sub-editor on the website is having a bit of a giggle. Robevans123 (talk) 23:18, 4 November 2016 (UTC)
 * I never realised those folks in Anglesey were so posh. .... it's enough to make you give up smoking Martinevans123 (talk) 09:48, 5 November 2016 (UTC)
 * Welsh posh always reminds me of Blodwen’s Wedding Day. Mr. Ffff is brilliant (but he should leave smoking until afterwards) - I never saw Barry Welsh is Coming, being exiled in England at the time, but loved Absolutely. Going to have to do some serious youtube viewing. Robevans123 (talk) 11:59, 5 November 2016 (UTC)
 * Ah, yes, you must mean this one. But are you sure about Ynys Mon? I hear the cuisine is much more appealing down in Swansea. Martinevans123 (talk) 15:03, 5 November 2016 (UTC)

Showdown (ELO song)
Thanks very much for assisting me with improving that page :) I must say, though, that I wouldn't have introduced quotation marks to the text being put in the blockquote - unless they're in the material being quoted, which I assume is liner notes from the ELO II CD. Or do I have the wrong idea? Please come back to me on that. Harfarhs (talk) 22:21, 7 November 2016 (UTC)
 * I'm not assisting you, I'm just trying to improve the page! WP:MoS for blockquotes says "no surrounding quotes", so I removed those. But I'm not sure it has strict rules on internal quotes. Just trying to follow MoS for titles (including the use of upper case), as we might for internal links. I don't see how it affects the meaning, but I really don't think it matters that much - please revert if you think it causes a problem. Martinevans123 (talk) 22:28, 7 November 2016 (UTC)
 * Thanks for that. I meant only that we'd been editing the page at the same time, although I didn't realise you had made changes until I looked at the edit history near the end. Which probably means we're on the same page :) Harfarhs (talk) 20:36, 8 November 2016 (UTC)
 * hot!! Martinevans123 (talk) 20:41, 8 November 2016 (UTC)

For our American TP stalkers on this fateful day

 * A little message from our forebears across the pond: . -- Softlavender (talk) 14:39, 8 November 2016 (UTC)
 * "I need TP for my bunghole." Martinevans123 (talk) 23:05, 8 November 2016 (UTC)
 * Loved the 'Idiots' ad, and it seems to have done the job! He won’t build a wall, he won’t put Hillary in jail, and he won’t make America great again… it will be interesting to see what his supporters do when that finally dawns on them. Still, at least we can look forward to cheaper Marmite and iPhones in the UK again for a while. JezGrove (talk) 10:37, 9 November 2016 (UTC)
 * Marmite? I thought The Donald used other beauty products. Martinevans123 (talk) 10:46, 9 November 2016 (UTC)
 * Haha! Yet oddly Clinton won in both Orange County, Florida (by 24.6%) and Orange County, California (by 4.89%). JezGrove (talk) 11:04, 9 November 2016 (UTC)
 * I did wonder if there was a correlation between states that decided to legalise marijuana and Clinton support, but it seems that Florida, North Dakota, and Arkansas chose to smoke but not inhale. Robevans123 (talk) 17:51, 9 November 2016 (UTC)
 * Those who knew both candidates are equally repugnant, simply wrote in a name (like me, MONGO...MONGO for President) and cast votes for down ballot candidates and issues.--MONGO 02:00, 10 November 2016 (UTC)
 * You'll be telling us next that you were born in Hawaii. Martinevans123 (talk) 12:15, 10 November 2016 (UTC)

I Feel for You
There should be just one infobox. The Prince infobox is unnecessary unless a dedicated fan of Prince sees the necessity of it? It pushes down another infobox and is already clunky as is. No need to tell readers about less notable songs from Prince album in the infobox. Also, key facts should be summarized, not supplemented, per WP:INFOBOXPURPOSE. Facts about the Prince recording are not "key facts". Prince is already credited as the writer of the song, so that is "key" enough, right? And Chaka Khan's version is "key" enough, right? --George Ho (talk) 12:06, 10 November 2016 (UTC)
 * Yes, I can see it would be difficult to fit all that in an edit summary, but some kind of reasoning might have been useful? Maybe you are right. I'm not sure what MoS says about this. But perhaps all the information about the Prince version should at least appear in the article, as text, since he was the writer and is a very notable artist? Martinevans123 (talk) 12:12, 10 November 2016 (UTC)
 * His recording, however, has been less notable than the musician himself and the Chaka Khan version. Can you re-remove the box then? George Ho (talk) 12:21, 10 November 2016 (UTC)
 * Do we add text to make up for it? I won't revert you again if you wish to delete it. Probably best if you open a thread on the Talk Page and get other views? Martinevans123 (talk) 12:29, 10 November 2016 (UTC)

Hi again, Martin. After seeing growing votes at Talk:Video Killed the Radio Star favoring preservation of two infoboxes, allow me to reinsert the Prince infobox? I don't want to fight with others over the infoboxes yet... unless the issue escalates without me responsible? George Ho (talk) 02:04, 28 December 2016 (UTC)


 * It's not worth fighting over very much at Wikipedia, but particularly over something as trivial as infoboxes, and quite regardless of who is "responsible", haha. I've learnt that the folks who accomplish most here just walk away from a fight and just improve some of those 5,317,855 articles that nobody's heard about. Just my view. Cheers!! Martinevans123 (talk) 09:39, 28 December 2016 (UTC)
 * O...kay... allow me then to add the box again without any worries or further discussion? George Ho (talk) 12:54, 28 December 2016 (UTC)


 * O.. kay.... Martinevans123 (talk) 12:59, 28 December 2016 (UTC)

Suzanne (Leonard Cohen song)
I don't know whether to remove the infobox or not. I don't know whether to change it either. While Cohen was the prominent figure (may he rest in peace), especially to the song, his recording never hit the music chart. I made additions of dates, making one of recordings more likely to be the lead image. I'm not concerned whether that would make the article interesting. I want to be certain about prominence of one of recordings. --George Ho (talk) 09:16, 11 November 2016 (UTC)
 * Hi again George. Personally, being a great lover of the infamous "idiot box", I'd keep it and add an image of a Cohen single cover such as the one here, here or here. But I realise that this may be controversial, as he recorded the song only after Collins, and only then for an album. But if we save a perfectly good infobox, I for one would say "Hallelujah". Martinevans123 (talk) 10:49, 11 November 2016 (UTC)
 * I would say remove the infobox and then use an image of a recording release by either Cohen or someone else. Look at Noël Coward and Talk:Noël Coward, where the RfC discussion resulted in "no consensus" to add infobox by default. It is kinda distracting and misleading. George Ho (talk) 15:50, 11 November 2016 (UTC)
 * I'm not sure that Noël Coward and this one song are really comparable. Evenso, as with our previous discussion above, I think it's probably best to discuss this issue at Talk:Suzanne (Leonard Cohen song). Thanks. Martinevans123 (talk) 15:54, 11 November 2016 (UTC)

Hello
Was reading the Talk:Donald Trump page and came across your post and thought there's a fellow I haven't seen in a long while. I know you and I have had our disagreements in the past but I've always admired your cool disposition. Anyho.. Happy editing! g@rycompugeek  talk  15:58, 16 November 2016 (UTC)
 * Hi Gary. I have every sympathy for anyone who has to read about The Donald, or even see his bizarre orange-toned image. We had our disagreements? While I do recognise your name, I have to admit I have completely forgotten why. So please don't remind me! As for a "cool disposition", I'm sure most editors who know me would describe me as anything but cool. So I'll regard that as an immense compliment. Many thanks! Martinevans123 (talk) 16:15, 16 November 2016 (UTC)

am / pm
Per MOS:TIME, either "8:18 am" or "8:18 a.m." is acceptable. Arbitrarily changing from one acceptable form to the other should be avoided. Dragons flight (talk) 19:20, 23 November 2016 (UTC)
 * My edit summary directly quoted the advice at the MoS page. Perhaps you should try and change that? Thanks. Martinevans123 (talk) 19:23, 23 November 2016 (UTC)


 * You wrote "12-hour clock times are written in the form 11:15 a.m.". I don't see your exact text.  I do however see: "12-hour clock times end with dotted or undotted lower-case a.m. or p.m., or am or pm, preceded by a non-breaking space, e.g. 2:30 p.m. or 2:30 pm" (emphasis mine).  Dragons flight (talk) 19:27, 23 November 2016 (UTC)


 * Oh, I see, you were quoting WP:MOS rather than WP:MOSTIME. However, your quote is inaccurate by omission.  You wrote: "12-hour clock times are written in the form 11:15 a.m.".  The full quote is "12-hour clock times are written in the form 11:15 a.m. and 2:30 p.m. or in the form 11:15 am and 2:30 pm" (emphasis mine).  Dragons flight (talk) 19:31, 23 November 2016 (UTC)


 * I thought the form presented first was meant to take precedence. Sorry to have misinterpreted the rules so badly. I'm not sure who has now wasted more time over this non error. I'm quite happy of course, to go back and remove all six of those full stops (emphasis mine). Or would that be construed once more as an "arbitrary change from one acceptable form to the other"? Perhaps we can at least agree that "context has determined use of 12-"? Although I'm not sure why. Martinevans123 (talk) 19:35, 23 November 2016 (UTC)


 * No problem. I don't really care (hence I'm not interested in changing it back), but changing style variants is often a recipe for lame edit wars, so I thought it worth letting you know that such changes are at best unnecessary.  Dragons flight (talk) 19:42, 23 November 2016 (UTC)


 * Thank you so much for the kind and fulsome advice. I'm not sure if the advice at WP:MOS, or even at WP:MOSTIME, could be made any clearer for such miscreants as myself, and I do hope I will avoid getting into a full blown lame edit war over at Killing of Jo Cox, or even inadvertently precipitating one, by means of such slovenly and reckless arbitrary changing. And if I recover from the trauma of your intervention, I might even try and continue editing for a few desperate hours. Martinevans123 (talk) 19:56, 23 November 2016 (UTC)


 * "The desperate hours / The MOS powers / You put on my page / Makes me think of you..." . (ahem). PaleCloudedWhite (talk) 20:35, 23 November 2016 (UTC)
 * Yes, he's always sounded pretty desperate to me. But in that one he really blossoms, I feel. Martinevans123 (talk) 20:42, 23 November 2016 (UTC)

Twinkle
Twinkle is well-explained (including screenshots) at Twinkle/doc. <span style="font-family: Gill Sans MT, Arial, Helvetica; font-weight:140;"> General Ization  Talk   21:03, 23 November 2016 (UTC)
 * A real boon to the busy editor. Who needs edit summaries. Martinevans123 (talk) 22:02, 23 November 2016 (UTC)

No turkey for you, dearie ...
You live in the wrong country. You do not live in the land of the free and the brave, where it is a self-evident truth that all white, heterosexual, Christian men are created equal.

— Softlavender (talk) 05:58, 24 November 2016 (UTC)


 * Thanks so much for the travel advice, Carol Beer. I often holiday in Marmaris, damn you. I love a good Turkish, don't you? Martinevans123 (talk) 08:51, 24 November 2016 (UTC)


 * I could to a hopefully happy day --Gerda Arendt (talk) 09:24, 24 November 2016 (UTC)


 * …. p.s. and don’t think, Softy and Gerds, that you’re getting your hands on my cranberries. DerekFaye123 (talk) 09:41, 24 November 2016 (UTC)

Am I Missing Something?
Did you mean picklock or Padlocked? — Gareth Griffith-Jones &#124; The Welsh &#124; Buzzard &#124; 09:44, 25 November 2016 (UTC)
 * Thanks for spotting that one, Gareth! I probably meant Padlocks of love. But if I ever find out what a packlock is, I'll let you know! Martinevans123 (talk) 10:21, 25 November 2016 (UTC)
 * Beats your Christmas spruce, doesn't it? — Gareth Griffith-Jones &#124; The Welsh &#124; Buzzard &#124; 15:05, 25 November 2016 (UTC)

Moors Murders
Hi, Martin. Sorry to contact you 'out of the blue'. There seems to be dispute on the above talk page regarding what is included in the section regarding Downey's body being identified. I have Ann West's book, For the Love of Lesley. If you need references to settle the disputes regarding any information you'd like reinserted, I can provide them (or many of them). From what I recall, Alan wanted to identify her, but as he wasn't a blood relative, his request was rebuffed. They wouldn't let her kiss her daughter, and her request for a lock of her hair as a memento was denied. She vomited on seeing her daughter's body and the trinkets she wore and was given some whiskey to steel her nerves afterwards. Regards.--Kieronoldham (talk) 22:52, 27 November 2016 (UTC)
 * Hi Kieron, that's very good of you to offer help with a source. I've seen that book in a number of internet searches and I guessed it would probably support that account in the Daily Mail. That's a very poignant story. But I suspect many of the "regular editors" over at Moors murders would see it as "tabloid sensationalism". To me it's a minor fact, but one that the article is currently still missing, suggesting that identification was made on the basis of some of Lesley Ann's clothing and some of Brady's pictures. I have tried to suggest that using a source that requires membership of Manchester Library & Information Service is less than ideal, but have been met with accusations of not WP:AGF and "blatantly not believing" other editors. The consensus over there seems to be that, once an article reaches FAC status, no more improvements are possible and that every exact word has to be kept in exactly the same order. To me this seems a little shortsighted. Martinevans123 (talk) 23:12, 27 November 2016 (UTC)

Paul Motian
You have got confused on this article: there are sources given in the lead for his death in 2011. You edited an update to that effect. EddieHugh (talk) 21:57, 1 December 2016 (UTC)
 * Thanks, will revert. How very odd. The name Guilherme Franco doesn't really look very similar does it? Martinevans123 (talk) 22:04, 1 December 2016 (UTC)

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Turner Prize 2016: what would dear Brian say?
"Like Polyphemus blinded, Anthea Hamilton's Brobdingnagian buttocks appear defeated, rendered eyeless and helpless. Forever frozen in a functionless limbo – one immediately recalls Hirst's shark – this 'derrière contraire' arouses not our passions, but our pity. Yet in a world given over to verbal diarrhoea and emotional encopresis, perhaps its reticence, its restraint, its inherent retentiveness should be lauded, as indeed should the artist – I mean, it's not every day one gets to see a twenty-five foot goatse in a gallery, is it?" .micro.dot.cotton (talk)
 * Yes, poor Brian. He'll be spinning in his £11 million pauper's grave. And sounding even more like an Edwardian lesbian, no doubt. I feel dear Helen has really captured the Zeitgeist, don't you?? And it's great to see our national anti-flood plan now includes dredging the River Avon for shopping trolleys. Martinevans123 (talk) 11:13, 6 December 2016 (UTC)
 * Presumably this one..? But yes, Ms. Marten has certainly captured all the colours of the 'bow, though one is naturally rather disappointed that one's own multicolour, multimedia, sensory experience was so cavalierly disregarded by the panjandrums. --micro.dot.cotton (talk) 12:01, 6 December 2016 (UTC)
 * Don't fret, dahling, you're still a big noise in Stretford, I hear. Martinevans123 (talk) 12:13, 6 December 2016 (UTC)

Danny Mac
Martinevans123, I was wondering if you could tell me which newspapers are to be avoided for this article. The Sun is clearly out; it appears that the Telegraph is in. What about the Mirror or the Daily Mail? I've also found this interview, but I'm not sure how reliable blog interviews are considered. BlueMoonset (talk) 18:16, 13 December 2016 (UTC)
 * Hi Blue Moony. Well the Daily Mirror is a deffo tabloid and is deffo out. The Daily Mail is less clear - interview sources are generally tolerated. But beware, some editors will not permit it at any cost. Broadsheets are always to be preferred. Danny is heading for stardom now and so sources should not be too difficult to find. Martinevans123 (talk) 18:27, 13 December 2016 (UTC)
 * It was easier to segregate in those good old days. — Gareth Griffith-Jones &#124; The Welsh &#124; Buzzard &#124; 10:02, 14 December 2016 (UTC)
 * Yes, of course, old fuddy-duddys like me don't realise most folks don't even read real newspapers any more, but get their information from the net. (Traditional media much better for chips, though). Martinevans123 (talk) 10:33, 14 December 2016 (UTC)
 * This chippie seems popular with this owner of another fish and chip shop ... in Foul mouth? [[Image:Magpie Café, Whitby.jpg|thumb]] — Gareth Griffith-Jones &#124; The Welsh &#124; Buzzard &#124; 10:51, 14 December 2016 (UTC)
 * Not foul at all, Gareth! You're thinking of Psycho. Martinevans123 (talk) 10:58, 14 December 2016 (UTC)
 * Not a fowl either. Yes, Martin, you got me there! — Gareth Griffith-Jones &#124; The Welsh &#124; Buzzard &#124; 11:01, 14 December 2016 (UTC)

Ivor Gurney & mental illness
Martinevans123, which I agree not every person who suffered from mental illness should be in this category, Gurney's illness was a part of his notability. His illness predated his war service, and his length of confinement and death in an asylum are key distinguishing features of his career (vis-a-vis other WWI poets) -- without this category, I'm afraid this key aspect of his career will be missed. Clevelander96 (talk) 18:01, 15 December 2016 (UTC)


 * Hi Clevelander96, thanks for your note. Ivor Gurney's mental illness was certainly a key factor in our understanding of him as a person. But could you explain to me why his own illness is significant to the entire history of mental illness in the UK? He ought to fit a further category at Category:People by medical or psychological condition, but I'm not sure which. Many thanks. Martinevans123 (talk) 18:19, 15 December 2016 (UTC) p.s. I wonder if you know who the anonymous ip editor 81.151.38.220 who added that Category might be? I've seen a spate of such additions, mostly unjustified in my view, over a variety of articles, over the last few weeks.


 * Hi Martinevans123, thanks for your reply -- I hadn't known the backstory on this category. It sounds as though a People subcategory would be much more appropriate; I will have a look and see if there's one that would be a suitable fit. And no, alas, I'm not sure as to the anonymous user is. A few years back, several members of the Ivor Gurney Society were active on his page, but it's been a while since I first put the article on my watchlist; sounds like somebody who added the cat for reasons other than just this one entry. Thanks again, Clevelander96 (talk) 21:00, 16 December 2016 (UTC)

DYK nomination of Petites Heures of Jean de France, Duc de Berry
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Help I am new to this stuff
I don't know enough to stop my page being deleted. I am doing this for someone but getting data as I am writing it. Andiwindsoruk (talk) 23:57, 15 December 2016 (UTC)
 * Hi Andi, Thanks for your note. Yes, I've left a comment on your web page. I don't doubt your good faith. Creating a new article can be a bit daunting. Take some time to read about Wikipedia policies and procedures  first {there are some links in that message at the top of Talk page) and you may find it easier and less frustrating. There is no deadline. Take as long as you need. Martinevans123 (talk) 00:02, 16 December 2016 (UTC)
 * p.s. you will see from this page: Allan Evans, that there is already mention of another - Alan Evans (drummer), a drummer in the band Soulive - who is not yet considered notable enough to have his own article. Thanks. Martinevans123 (talk) 10:34, 16 December 2016 (UTC)

V-man v Ramblo .... a personal confession

 * Very sorry to hear that "Old Rambler" has been evicted yet again. I'd like to publicly apologise to him for insulting (albeit unwittingly) the memory of his late grandmother in an attempt to adjust a caption for a picture on his User page last September. And apologies also, of course, for being unaware that he even had a grandmother. And to thank him for not bearing the slightest grudge for the past 15 months. I think I once made a ridiculously outlandish accusation that he was a sockpuppet, but I think I got away with it and it's all now water under the bridge. Sincere apologies if I ever described him as "a bossy self-serving obsessive with an ego bigger than the entire Wikipedia archive". "obvs"
 * Deepest apologies also to "Mike V Shirt", for not accepting, without a murmur, all those sockpuppet accounts that he said I created in July, but which I had never actually seen before (especially the ones that made no edits). Sincere apologies if I ever described him as "a trigger-happy bully with all the finesse of Wyatt Earp, but none of the boyish good-looks". B. Littler 123 (talk) 17:28, 16 December 2016 (UTC) p.s. note to drive-by admins - angling here for pages of discussion at A/N, AN/I and AE, followed by an indef block here (but two weeks over Christmas will do fine, thanks.) "obvs".


 * Worra bloody drama queen you are – a typical taff with delusions of Glandwr. --micro.dot.cotton (talk) 17:51, 16 December 2016 (UTC)
 * Up yours, Dot!! With brass knobs on, ya cow. You can't beat a bit of Welsh soap, can you. Martinevans123 (talk) 18:02, 16 December 2016 (UTC)

Fred & Rose
I assure you my knowledge isn't based on his wording (see here and here - I can add more). They are traits hardly atypical of children who've sadly endured all forms of abuse and neglect. They develop these kinds of disorders. I'll leave it to you to reinsert or morph it into the text. In fact, these links I've provided would be better than yet another page from Sounes's book, IMO....--Kieronoldham (talk) 23:37, 17 December 2016 (UTC)
 * Hi Kieron. They might well be, but we'd be simply replacing Sounes' own original research with our own. And I see no explicit mention of squint in those two. There is some evidence with regard to speech disorder, I think, but I believe squint, which after all is a congenital abnormality, has much less medical credence. Perhaps User:Doc James could advise? Unless we could find an alternative secondary source that mentions the West family, in relation to these supposed "classic symptoms of abuse children", I'd personally be tempted to leave that claim out altogether. Just my view. Maybe worth a thread at the Talk page? Martinevans123 (talk) 23:51, 17 December 2016 (UTC)
 * Thanks for your reply. I've always respected your tenacious observations (no attempt at flattery intended). The primary problem lies with Sounes's usage of a generic term of 'squinting' (which I take as being psychologically and nerve based as opposed to eye alignment)? To negate any WP:OR accusations, we could find a few references from eminent fields mentioning this being a classic/typical symptom? I could find a secondary book source hearkening to this being a general trait in victims of this neglect/abuse, but doubt it'll specifically mention the West family as being an example? Journey into Darkness by John Douglas would likely be a good start. Regards.--Kieronoldham (talk) 00:14, 18 December 2016 (UTC)
 * From what I understand "squint" has been used to mean "stabismus"
 * Have worked on our article on Strabismus. Have not heard of a link to child maltreatment. Doc James  (talk · contribs · email) 00:38, 18 December 2016 (UTC)
 * Thanks. Other sections of the paragraph used in the reference refer to the pathogenic history of the family between the 70s and 90s. I suppose it boils down to how you interpret Sounes's term. I could readjust the sentence to be more direct and with a more qualified reference? Martin, what do you think?--Kieronoldham (talk) 00:45, 18 December 2016 (UTC)
 * Doc - many thanks for that very prompt help. But I have to admit that connotation was my own assumption and my link, which I have now adjusted to the more general dab article. Keiron - "a seal squints in the sun", or so we are told. But we're not told anything there about the West family, or indeed about child abuse in general. Checking page 344 of Sounes, he does indeed just say: "Thrush and gonorrhoea had been present in the family and the children were afflicted with speech impediments and squints—classic symptoms of abused children". He offers no sources or explanation for those claims. If you are keen to mention some of the other health issues that the children suffered, there's no shortage in that final Epilogue chapter. Otherwise I can only suggest we frame it as a quote like, "Journalist Howard Sounes, who broke the West story, claims that "the children were afflicted with speech impediments ...". Or else maybe just leave it out? Martinevans123 (talk) 19:09, 18 December 2016 (UTC)
 * I really don't mind either way, Martin. I am practically finished with populating the article. Sounes is an author; he's not propagating his own assumptions, just rehashing extensively reported information in his book. As for the squint link, the "refractive errors of the eye" is the pertinent section of the link for me as he used a general, ambiguous medical term on p. 344--Kieronoldham (talk) 20:24, 18 December 2016 (UTC)
 * I agree, he is. The Indy article is a good source, which also mentions the "thrush and a minor for gonorrhoea" and also "a catalogue of injuries to tendons, fingers and chests, as well as lacerations between the toes of the children, some supposedly self-inflicted." But no mention there of speech disorders or squint. I'll make a stab of my suggested re-word, but feel free to replace it if you wish. Martinevans123 (talk) 22:04, 18 December 2016 (UTC)
 * I've just removed it (hope you approve). Was a little contentious to claim even though they are common traits of distress. I'm going to upload a fair use rationale image or two either later tonight or tomorrow. Best regards and have a good Christmas. Kez.--Kieronoldham (talk) 22:08, 18 December 2016 (UTC)
 * Yes, I certainly approve. I think it's safer. But I have now added some more from p.344! Please adjust as you see fit. Thanks. And you too. Martinevans123 (talk) 22:20, 18 December 2016 (UTC)
 * Enjoy that medicine, chum. I'll murder the new lady across the street, ta very much.--Kieronoldham (talk) 23:28, 23 December 2016 (UTC)


 * A great under-rated band and a lot like the Skids, I think. But hey, that's no way to talk about our friend from Boston. Martinevans123 (talk) 23:35, 23 December 2016 (UTC)
 * In general terms; it was 6 to 1 and half dozen to the other, Martin. It's resolved amicably and that's the main factor. Regards.--Kieronoldham (talk) 23:49, 23 December 2016 (UTC)
 * Any further observations in bringing this article to GA nomination? I can't think of anything further to add to it.--Kieronoldham (talk) 22:49, 11 January 2017 (UTC)
 * Not really, no. It's EEng who'll be wanting to take more stuff away, I suspect. Martinevans123 (talk) 22:55, 11 January 2017 (UTC)
 * Well I'm done with what I can do trimming the bollocks from it. I'll await any further advice/opinions.--Kieronoldham (talk) 23:03, 11 January 2017 (UTC)
 * At least you have some manners. Martinevans123 (talk) 23:05, 11 January 2017 (UTC)
 * Seriously, thanks for your oversight on the project.--Kieronoldham (talk) 23:08, 11 January 2017 (UTC)

Yes, Oversight is practically Martin's middle name. I still think my suggestions re splitting the victim/crime details to a separate article, and either combining Rose and Fred, or not combining them and moving Rose-only material to her article, are still pertinent. After that I think what most needs reduction is the minute-by-minute account of the searches and warrants and suspicions and digging and ...  E Eng  23:28, 11 January 2017 (UTC)
 * "Phew!!". Glad that's all sorted now then. Martinevans123 (talk) 23:33, 11 January 2017 (UTC) p.s. almost right
 * Combining them would need a broader consensus first. When that goes one way of the other, other issues addressed here can be looked into? I'll say again in my opinion they should both be one article.--Kieronoldham (talk) 00:21, 12 January 2017 (UTC)

OR
My sister says she would definitely have choked to death at lunch at work one day, had not the sole cow-orker in the room noticed her distress and applied the Heimlich. I'd have posted this in any case, since it was obviously notable, and I was surprised it wasn't up for my support. μηδείς (talk) 02:21, 18 December 2016 (UTC)
 * And to think that until recently, cow-orkers were reviled and persecuted based on some misinterpreted passages from Leviticus. How far we've come.  E Eng  02:35, 18 December 2016 (UTC)
 * Yrch! Such antioxenism is luckfully on the wain. μηδείς (talk) 02:51, 18 December 2016 (UTC)
 * I have never found the urge to ork a cow. Never even been tempted. And I generally treat any who do advocate such dubious actions with the disdain they undoubtedly deserve. Martinevans123 (talk) 18:34, 18 December 2016 (UTC)

‎Talk:Exile on Main St
You contributed to Talk:Exile on Main St two years ago. I invite you to the RM discussion. --George Ho (talk) 08:08, 20 December 2016 (UTC)


 * Thanks George, I'll try and have a look. The amount of time spent discussing full stops is just amazing. Full stop. Martinevans123 (talk) 10:16, 20 December 2016 (UTC)

I closed the RM and then started another one:‎ Talk:Exile on Main St.. George Ho (talk) 11:40, 20 December 2016 (UTC)


 * Wow. A veritable punctuation see-saw frenzy. I'm obviously missing out. Martinevans123 (talk) 11:44, 20 December 2016 (UTC)

All the best, Martin, for 2017!
<div style="border-style:solid; border-color:#FF4646; background-color:white; border-width:2px; text-align:left; padding:7px; ;" class="plainlinks"> '''Hello , Enjoy the Winter Solstice and the Christmas and holiday season'''. Thank you for all your good work during 2016 in maintaining, improving and expanding Wikipedia. All the best for 2017! Cheers, — Gareth Griffith-Jones &#124; The Welsh &#124; Buzzard &#124; 16:31, 19 December 2016 (UTC)


 * Thanks, Gareth. Those are your two snowshoes and you're lying buried under that huge drift of snow?? But I see that at least the local horse-drawn search party is out to look for you. Martinevans123 (talk) 10:59, 20 December 2016 (UTC)

Merry Merry

 * Ah that's lovely Marnette, thank you so much. You'll have to wait for yours, I'm afraid, because of the traditional British seasonal festivites. Martinevans123 (talk) 19:14, 20 December 2016 (UTC)

White flag
I think I may have to give up on Fred West. It's just too impenetrable. Maybe I'll come back to it later.  E Eng  05:56, 23 December 2016 (UTC)
 * Best not mess with Fred, or you might end up under the patio. Perhaps you'd find Harold a bit more easy going? Martinevans123 (talk) 09:46, 23 December 2016 (UTC)

Holiday Greetings! Martinevans123

 * Thank you! I'm thinking of adopting a fancy Latin Username, and then I can enjoy Honorificabilitudinitatibus editing. Martinevans123 (talk) 15:43, 23 December 2016 (UTC) ... and cue our Kevin with some Dog Latin ...
 * Wow. I did not know that one; and I missed it when I read [some] of Love's Labour's Lost.  And "It is also the longest word in the English language featuring only alternating consonants and vowels."  How cool is that.  It would be a great user name.  <b style="color:#060">7&amp;6=thirteen</b> (<b style="color:#000">☎</b>) 16:00, 23 December 2016 (UTC)

It's that time of year

 * How our holy day was born: . Softlavender (talk) 03:42, 24 December 2016 (UTC)
 * Awww Lavvy, you big Softie. Sounds like a great idea. Many thanks and "Oi Vay Maria!" as they say in Lithuania. Martinevans123 (talk) 08:55, 24 December 2016 (UTC)

...could I 'ave a word, sir?
<div style="border-style:solid; border-color:blue; background-color:gold; border-width:2px; text-align:left; padding:9px; ;" class="plainlinks"> ello 'ello 'ello , PC White 'ere, informing you that the season of drunken indulgence''' is upon us, and because my sauces tell me you might've been a bit slack in that regard recently, you are hereby ordered to eat that last mince pie and enjoy it! PC White &#124; The station (Best wishes Martin, PaleCloudedWhite (talk) 11:10, 24 December 2016 (UTC))


 * Hahaha, that is just brilliant. I'll soon feel better... "better get a bucket" for that teeny-weeny waffair theen meent. Martinevans123 (talk) 11:15, 24 December 2016 (UTC) .... Do give my best wishes to the Inspector down at The Yard and to all the other inmates on "Letsby Avenue".

Prettige Kerstdagen
Merry Chipmunks to you too! . Mjroots (talk) 12:34, 24 December 2016 (UTC)
 * Haha. Many thanks. Yee-haw!! How lovely, sounds delicious. Martinevans123 (talk) 13:12, 24 December 2016 (UTC)

It's a wonderful time of the year!

 * Wow, thank you, Atsme, that's amazing!! I'm off to get my seven fish. But best watch out for under water Santa. Martinevans123 (talk) 16:16, 24 December 2016 (UTC)

Merry, merry!
From the icy Canajian north; to you and yours! FWiW Bzuk (talk) 19:52, 24 December 2016 (UTC)

Have a Quo Christmas!
Put some Piledriver on the turntable to ring in Christmas in memory of ol' Rick. <b style="color:#7F007F">Ritchie333</b> <sup style="color:#7F007F">(talk) <sup style="color:#7F007F">(cont)  21:52, 24 December 2016 (UTC)
 * Don't worry, it's only the end of the begining. A UK rock icon. Good old Rick. Martinevans123 (talk) 21:57, 24 December 2016 (UTC)
 * Best way to start Christmas morning bouncing around the kitchen with a bit of Quo in the background, though it makes stuffing the turkey a bit difficult. <b style="color:#7F007F">Ritchie333</b> <sup style="color:#7F007F">(talk) <sup style="color:#7F007F">(cont)  11:21, 25 December 2016 (UTC)
 * Yes, the outcome won't be very good. Martinevans123 (talk) 16:35, 25 December 2016 (UTC)
 * But at Wikipedia, it's all quid pro quo, isn't it.... (?)

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Merry Christmas
Martin, many thanks and all best wishes to you and yours. KJP1 (talk) 06:53, 25 December 2016 (UTC) ______________________________________________________________________________________________________________________

Farewell Georgios
In your heart there's a trace. Of someone before. Peaked only at No 45, but a masterpiece surely. Andy Hamilton on sax. Martinevans123 (talk) 23:51, 25 December 2016 (UTC)


 * I appeciate the first half of this edit and I am sure you didn't intend to restore the Sun in the second. Hope you're having a good holiday! --John (talk) 11:38, 27 December 2016 (UTC)


 * Sorry about that. If only I could see a whole page at once! As you know, I just love the sun. Martinevans123 (talk) 11:40, 27 December 2016 (UTC) ... pass me that packet of amitriptyline, would you?

I blame More or Less
Blimey, Carrie Fisher, Richard Adams... I thought 'More or Less was tempting fate doing its analysis of whether there had been an increase in celebrity deaths in 2016 in mid-December but this is getting ridiculous :0(  JezGrove (talk) 18:20, 27 December 2016 (UTC)
 * Not forgetting Nana, of course. Martinevans123 (talk) 18:41, 27 December 2016 (UTC)
 * Yes, Liz Smith's untimely passing offering proof – if proof be need be – that the year is indeed cursed --Hillbillyholiday talk 18:52, 27 December 2016 (UTC)
 * Wow, spooky. Apparently it's all this guy's fault: . Martinevans123 (talk) 19:26, 27 December 2016 (UTC)
 * No wonder your pal John has it in for the tabloids! At least Sunderland's strikers are in the clear... JezGrove (talk) 19:41, 27 December 2016 (UTC)

QUestion
What does the comment on my page mean? --37.191.205.193 (talk) 12:41, 28 December 2016 (UTC)
 * There isn't one. You've blanked the page. Martinevans123 (talk) 12:43, 28 December 2016 (UTC)

DYK for Petites Heures of Jean de France, Duc de Berry
— Maile (talk) 00:01, 29 December 2016 (UTC)

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 * Yes, you should have received it by now. It was emailed in September. I'll try yet again. Martinevans123 (talk) 15:42, 29 December 2016 (UTC)

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