User talk:Martinevans123/Archive 9

And now...
 The first dawn of a new year. ..

...with just a herd of sunbathing trees standing in the way..... Best wishes Martin for a happy and healthy 2015 PaleCloudedWhite (talk) 00:13, 1 January 2015 (UTC)

A herd of sheep too
Hafspajen (talk) 11:12, 1 January 2015 (UTC) WARNING: Marty if you put that thing from Paley's on my page I will bite you. Hafspajen (talk) 12:08, 1 January 2015 (UTC) MARTY!!!!
 * ... phew, lucky I changed that colour! Martinevans123 (talk) 12:11, 1 January 2015 (UTC)



Have sheperd instead. Hafspajen (talk) 12:43, 1 January 2015 (UTC)

Happy New Year!
 Dear, HAPPY NEW YEAR Hoping 2015 will be a great year for you! Thank you for your contributions! From a fellow editor, --FWiW Bzuk (talk)

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Precious again
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Thank you for quality contributions to articles on churches and halls in Wales, filled with music, for treating In Your Own Sweet Way in your own sweet way, for a clear view on "a poorly-run bureaucracy with the group dynamics of a cult ... marks will be deducted for obvious expressions of exasperation or humour" - you are an awesome Wikipedian!

--Gerda Arendt (talk) 23:15, 3 January 2013 (UTC) Two years ago, you were the 354th recipient of my  Pumpkin Sky Prize, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 18:45, 4 January 2015 (UTC)


 * Thanks so much, I always appreciate a well-placed pumpkin. Martinevans123 (talk) 18:46, 4 January 2015 (UTC)
 * Then you will like Cucurbita. How about BWV 22, comments (and support, of course) welcome, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 18:57, 4 January 2015 (UTC)


 * Was supported enough ;) - Next Palladio as you were so kind to notice (yesterday and tomorrow), - need some solid source for what everybody seems to know about Diamonds, - help? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:19, 9 February 2015 (UTC)


 * How very cryptic. You mean the precious collection? Martinevans123 (talk) 21:25, 9 February 2015 (UTC)


 * Yes. Do you see a source there? I found lots of ice-scaters using the same music, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 09:37, 10 February 2015 (UTC)

A Dobos torte for you!

 * How lovely! Does that come with eels at all? Martinevans123 (talk) 15:09, 6 January 2015 (UTC)
 * When Stan first "gave" me a dodgy Dobos Torte, I read it as Dublin tart. — &#124; Gareth Griffith-Jones &#124; The Welsh Buzzard&#124; — 18:00, 6 January 2015 (UTC)
 * Ah-ha. What I really need is a good man-sized meat pie made with Nazi super cows!! Martinevans123 (talk) 18:31, 6 January 2015 (UTC)
 * Mmm ... not so keen on beef sausages ... pork is my choice. — &#124; Gareth Griffith-Jones &#124; The Welsh Buzzard&#124; — 18:35, 6 January 2015 (UTC)
 * And who said anything about sausages?! Even the Continental variety??! Martinevans123 (talk) 18:46, 6 January 2015 (UTC)
 * Oh no! Not one of his guests! — &#124; Gareth Griffith-Jones &#124; The Welsh Buzzard&#124; — 19:29, 6 January 2015 (UTC)
 * And talking of Graham and sausages: . Martinevans123 (talk) 19:43, 6 January 2015 (UTC)
 * So funny. I loved the graduate's expression throughout the clip. — &#124; Gareth Griffith-Jones &#124; The Welsh Buzzard&#124; — 20:27, 6 January 2015 (UTC)

bands at zz top page
These bands i put there are Southern Rock bands, ZZ Top played with them on several occasions. I am a huge ZZ Top fan and i know they belong there, Wiki Elvis (talk) 23:28, 7 January 2015 (UTC)
 * Congratulations on your discerning musical support. But you might want to discuss that at the article's Talk Page and gain consensus for your addition. Personally, I'd certainly expect to see those bands playing on the same bill, perhaps many times. But I'm not sure that is sufficient qualification for the "Associated Acts" parameter of the infobox. You might first want to have a look at how that's defined at Template:Infobox musical artist. Thanks. Martinevans123 (talk) 23:39, 7 January 2015 (UTC)

Godt Nytaar!

 * Strewth, Bruce! Looking mighty fine for a Sheila. Martinevans123 (talk) 18:59, 8 January 2015 (UTC)

Brother, you are right about that... Hafspajen (talk) 14:18, 9 January 2015 (UTC)
 * Take a look at ‎this. Hafspajen (talk) 10:55, 10 January 2015 (UTC)
 * Wow, what a fine article. Very interesting. Great work. Martinevans123 (talk) 11:20, 10 January 2015 (UTC) ... alas I now can't stop fiddling with it...


 * DON*T. Hafspajen (talk) 11:58, 10 January 2015 (UTC)


 * Mary, tha was 54 symbolism... Hafspajen (talk) 13:38, 10 January 2015 (UTC)
 * ... but don't call me Mary, I'm not a virgin, thanks. Martinevans123 (talk) 14:32, 10 January 2015 (UTC)
 * But I brought you a parrot ... and a Boar-head... Hafspajen (talk) 16:16, 10 January 2015 (UTC)
 * Not yet another Norwegian Blue, I hope. Martinevans123 (talk) 16:19, 10 January 2015 (UTC) ... and it's a bit late for all that nonsense!!
 * Well, I am affraid it might be. What Jane should have done, was to take thar parrot and hit him in the head with it. But the of course, we would have never had Queen Elisabeth. But somehow I belive the reason why E, never married was because she had to look at close quarters at daddy acting Blue beard. Hafspajen (talk) 16:46, 10 January 2015 (UTC)
 * Haha. You made me think of him. Filippo Miller, pintore (talk) 16:46, 10 January 2015 (UTC)


 * Yes Marty, sources say that he is looking at infinity. The Google book. Hafspajen (talk) 20:38, 10 January 2015 (UTC)
 * Ah yes, I need to put on my glasses. Martinevans123 (talk) 20:50, 10 January 2015 (UTC)
 * I don't often wear White Tights. Martinevans123 (talk) 20:36, 10 January 2015 (UTC)
 * O dear, you are just as Dangerous anyway. Hafspajen (talk) 20:40, 10 January 2015 (UTC)
 * I'll try to borrow a pair from Alistair. Martinevans123 (talk) 20:48, 10 January 2015 (UTC)
 * Alistair - recommens nowadays checkered skirts  to keep up with the fashion of the upper Wiki 1000 .... 21:46, 10 January 2015 (UTC)Hafspajen (talk)
 * Hafs! You're getting as tortuously cryptic as me! Martinevans123 (talk) 21:54, 10 January 2015 (UTC)
 * Gnothi seauton, Master. Hafspajen (talk) 22:00, 10 January 2015 (UTC)
 * WEll, I might just say it. Hafspajen (talk) 23:17, 10 January 2015 (UTC)
 * I guess cramming nationalities into tiny boxes doesn't always work. Martinevans123 (talk) 23:23, 10 January 2015 (UTC) ... Reverend Lloyd wasn't really Welsh you know, he was a merry honest sire.
 * Marty, as the upper Wiki-1000 - will you look at this draft. We need jokes. I am afraid Adam is probably not going to edit [this] edition much, so we are on our own. Be a good brother, and help. You get free hands to add at least two jokes per entry. (except Mishelle, she is WP:BLP). Today is the last day (officially). You made such a good job on Goethe too..  Hafspajen (talk) 12:31, 11 January 2015 (UTC)
 * And ...I will never call you Mary again, promise. The Upper TenHafspajen (talk) 12:33, 11 January 2015 (UTC)
 * Ok yes, I'll try and take a look. I'm a bit busy right now with Francesco Rosi who I would very much like to see at ITN. I think he influenced a whole generation of realist film makers. Martinevans123 (talk) 14:27, 11 January 2015 (UTC).
 * Praise the Lord. Just be Ben Blue 1954.JPG yourself. Hafspajen (talk) 14:56, 11 January 2015 (UTC)
 * Looks fine, as far as I can see. I'm sure you don't need any more jokes! Martinevans123 (talk) 22:40, 11 January 2015 (UTC)
 * But we DO: People are now expecting to be amused. Hafspajen (talk) 14:54, 12 January 2015 (UTC)
 * "I didn't get where I am today by expecting to be amused, Reggie!" Martinevans123 (talk) 15:03, 12 January 2015 (UTC)
 * Marty, this is how it should look like. We are hopelessly boring. Hafspajen (talk) 15:55, 12 January 2015 (UTC)
 * Our fame is going down the drain: ICYINOGT start to be funny, please. Hafspajen (talk) 16:01, 12 January 2015 (UTC)
 * Otherwise I have to start to be funny, and how is going to |look like?? Hafspajen (talk) 16:17, 12 January 2015 (UTC)

Lady in white (Toorop). Hafspajen (talk) 20:59, 12 January 2015 (UTC)
 * Ah, almost as beautiful as that other artistic gem. lol. Martinevans123 (talk) 21:10, 12 January 2015 (UTC)
 * Llollipop.Hafspajen (talk) 21:28, 12 January 2015 (UTC)
 * "Snowed-on" confectionery? Martinevans123 (talk) 16:38, 13 January 2015 (UTC)

Don Carlos
The poster from the 1867 Paris production does not include a quote, but, if you know the original French version, there is a scene (which is not in the "standard", later Italian ones) in which the king arrives in time to see Rodrigo die. Hope this helps. Viva-Verdi (talk) 00:46, 12 January 2015 (UTC)
 * I was just thrown by a single set of quote marks at the end. I've now replaced with parentheses. Does this mean that the scene depicted in the poster is one that was taken from the 1846 Philippe II, Roi d'Espagne play by Eugène Cormon? Martinevans123 (talk) 13:22, 12 January 2015 (UTC)

Lend a hand?
I wonder if you could give some encouragement to our mutual friend Ritchie here. He and I have put a lot of work into it and I really don't want to start over. He hasn't had a chance to respond but maybe you can put in a good word to get him in a positive mood again. EEng (talk) 05:07, 13 January 2015 (UTC)
 * I need to repeat this request. Can you please come help get this back on track? Or maybe you'd like to take over the review. EEng (talk) 12:48, 13 January 2015 (UTC) And for once in your life be serious this time, okay?
 * Sorry "busy in real life"..... but, as you are so keen....
 * 1. If was being serious, I'd say there is no time limit.
 * 2. I'm reluctant to ever be serious about anything at Wikipedia any more (ever).
 * 3. 1-3 may be read in any order.
 * I'll try and take a look later. Having managed to get one article to GA status in the space of five years, I think your confidence in my abilities in this regard may be entirely misplaced! Martinevans123 (talk) 14:16, 13 January 2015 (UTC)
 * Start at the end of the page. EEng (talk) 15:11, 13 January 2015 (UTC) I suppose this is what the article should read like to qualify for GA.
 * That looks decidedly fishy to me. As you know, I am far more comfortable with anal dilators, Korean nut-sacks and grilled burger executives. I'll trade you one ITN RD support vote for two GA review points. Martinevans123 (talk) 16:08, 13 January 2015 (UTC) ... or else ask this guy - he churns them out like he's shelling peas.
 * All I want is a straight GA review, according to the GA requirements. EEng (talk) 18:06, 13 January 2015 (UTC)
 * could do it, as could or . If anyone of those three comes back with a summary that could be paraphrased as "the article's fine, EEng is right, Ritchie is an arse" I will eat humble pie and put the review back on. I can't really say fairer than that. <b style="color:#7F007F">Ritchie333</b> <sup style="color:#7F007F">(talk)  <sup style="color:#7F007F">(cont)  18:47, 13 January 2015 (UTC)
 * They might very well say there are still GA violations, but if they do I hope they'll say which piece of text violates what sections of GACR. I like you a lot, Ritchie, but for some reason there's a disconnect here. EEng (talk) 02:37, 14 January 2015 (UTC)
 * Mmm, tasty! Fancy a slice, anyone? Martinevans123 (talk) 18:54, 13 January 2015 (UTC)
 * "You'll get nothing straight from me, young man, you pesky kant!!" - A man who well can't.

Rosi
You can have Stephen or Spencer take a look. Also, I did start a discussion on the talk page about RD being stale. Any admin who posted there is at least watching the page. It's normal to have noms go up with just three supports (here we have four and the nom, and my implied support) and no objections that haven't been answered. μηδείς (talk) 20:30, 14 January 2015 (UTC)
 * Yes, even his memorial service has now past on Monday: . Thanks for you support. But I see our friend Rambler has now done the decent thing. So "All Swell that End Swill" as they say in Stratford. Martinevans123 (talk) 20:44, 14 January 2015 (UTC)

Happy Day
I think I nailed down your Hu-translate-connections...Hafspajen (talk) 17:56, 22 January 2015 (UTC)
 * King Edward scales the hills of Wales
 * Upon his stallion.
 * "Hear my decree! I want to see
 * My new dominion.


 * "Show me the yield of every field,
 * The grain, the grass, the wood!
 * Is all the land now moist and rich
 * With red rebellious blood?


 * "And are the Welsh, God's gift, the Welsh,
 * A peaceful, happy folk?
 * I want them pleased, just like the beast
 * They harness in the yoke."


 * "Sire, this jewel in your crown,
 * Your Wales, is fair and good:
 * Rich is the yield of every field
 * The grassland and the wood.


 * How amazing. Thanks so much for posting this! Martinevans123 (talk) 18:55, 22 January 2015 (UTC)
 * Rather flashy, isn't i? It has a kind of stange power and athmosphere that one... Hafspajen (talk) 19:05, 22 January 2015 (UTC)
 * Deep silence falls upon the halls,
 * And lo, before their eyes
 * They see an old man, white as snow,
 * An ancient bard to rise:


 * "I shall recite your glorious deeds
 * Just as you bid me, Sire."
 * And death rattles in grim battles
 * As he touches the lyre.


 * "Grim death rattles, the brave battles,
 * And blood bestains the sun,
 * Your deeds reek high, up to the sky:
 * You are the guilty one!


 * "Our dead are plenty as the corn

When harvest is begun, And as we reap and glean, we weep: You did this, guilty one!"


 * "Off to the stake!" the king commands,
 * "This was churlishly hard.
 * Sing us, you there, a softer air,
 * You, young and courtly bard!"

Great. Wish I would know how to make two rows. Hafspajen (talk) 19:08, 22 January 2015 (UTC)

Bow down to me!
Admit it: I am the unchallenged KING of edgy hooks. EEng (talk) 19:20, 22 January 2015 (UTC)
 * aka "King Edge the Awesome".... allegedly. Martinevans123 (talk) 19:33, 22 January 2015 (UTC)

Sex for profit
EEng (talk) 01:22, 23 January 2015 (UTC)
 * "... many people responded with confusion or repulsion." - doesn't sound that tasty, does it. Martinevans123 (talk) 08:38, 23 January 2015 (UTC)
 * This has completely run off the rails -- see also here. He just won't say what the problems are. If I renominate, will do a review, please? The review will go much more smoothly if it sticks to the criteria. Or, maybe better, can we talk first about what you think he's talking about? If there's actually I problem I want to fix it, but all I get is these vague statements, which I try to address, and then more vague statements. EEng (talk) 15:24, 23 January 2015 (UTC)
 * "The problems with quotations and images are still there" - I think maybe that sums up Ritchies's view? And he's got pressing real-life commitments it seems. We ought to heartily thank him for helping to get the article nearer to GA status. There are no time limits on these things, are there? Martinevans123 (talk) 19:31, 23 January 2015 (UTC)


 * No, there's no time limit, so if he doesn't have time now we can just suspend until he's ready again. Or we can find another reviewer to take over. But instead he's just failed the article after all this work. Keep in mind the reason the review was so big and went on so long is that so many (most even) of the points he raised weren't related to the WP:GACR. But here we are.
 * So "the problems with quotations and images are still there." Great. But what, specifically, are those problems??? Seriously, please help me understand.  Start at  and tell me -- is there any issue he raised that I didn't respond to? And of my responses, is there any he objected to or pushed back on? Can you tell what problems, specifically, he's talking about? Or, put another way, Can you tell me what changes Ritchie is saying are needed to meet GA? If you can't answer that, then you'll understand my frustration -- I can't answer that either. EEng (talk) 21:34, 23 January 2015 (UTC)
 * An image without a caption??! That's like a tequila without the salt!! Martinevans123 (talk) 22:13, 23 January 2015 (UTC) or the lemon
 * Can you please be serious for a bit? Not every image has to have a caption. WP:CAP When you have a paragraph describing a grand building with monumental steps topped by giant columns, and right next to it is an image of a grand building with monumental steps topped by giant columns, it seems unnecessary to have a caption. What would it say? "Widener Library"? That's helpful.
 * Then we have a paragraph describing that there are stacks at east, south, and west, and a giant reading room at north. Next to it is a floorplan showing stacks at east, south, and west, and a giant reading room at north. What caption would be needed? "Floor plan showing stacks at east, south, and west, and reading room at north"? What would be the point of that?
 * So seriously, can you point to any problems? EEng (talk) 22:39, 23 January 2015 (UTC)
 * But I feel an untold sorrow about this user. Hafspajen (talk) 00:20, 24 January 2015 (UTC)
 * Um, thanks... I guess. EEng (talk) 11:38, 24 January 2015 (UTC)
 * ... more untold sorrow available here
 * Oh dear, you've used the s-word twice now in one post.
 * "I'm a trophy on your arm, You wear me like a charm, Yes you do." Martinevans123 (talk) 22:47, 23 January 2015 (UTC)
 * Goddam you. EEng (talk) 22:49, 23 January 2015 (UTC)
 * "I can't stand the pressure much longer, Somebody say a prayer" Martinevans123 (talk) 22:51, 23 January 2015 (UTC)
 * Are you going to help or not? EEng (talk) 22:53, 23 January 2015 (UTC)
 * "The chains are locked and tied across the door." Martinevans123 (talk) 22:56, 23 January 2015 (UTC)
 * Are you going to help or not? More to the point, can you tell me what about the images or quotes doesn't meet GACR? `EEng (talk) 23:06, 23 January 2015 (UTC)
 * I refuse to help, naturally. I'd be tempted to give the images captions, even if redundant. But what's Ritchie's beef with the quotes, exactly? You seem to be mightily at risk of getting your precious article to GA status... but at what cost? Martinevans123 (talk) 23:15, 23 January 2015 (UTC)


 * Well, what do you expect me to do? I gamely took on almost all suggestions, explained why others weren't appropriate, and got no substantive response except, suddenly, "time's up". So, yeah ... what's his beef with the quotes? Can you tell? Anyway, it doesn't matter. Will you review if I renominate, so we can be done with this? EEng (talk) 23:21, 23 January 2015 (UTC)
 * You need someone who's actually done a GA review, or at least been through a few, and someone who, quite frankly, doesn't know your deep failings. Martinevans123 (talk) 23:27, 23 January 2015 (UTC)
 * ... and much worse, of course, is the fact that the article is littered with shy colons. Martinevans123 (talk) 23:35, 23 January 2015 (UTC)

The only qualification for a reviewer is that you've not contributed significantly to the article and are not the nominator. The instructions are here. The criteria (WP:GACR) are simple. Please take a look. EEng (talk) 23:46, 23 January 2015 (UTC) <Small>Just to please you I've added the two captions, stupid as they are.
 * I'll try and look tomorrow... Martinevans123 (talk) 23:49, 23 January 2015 (UTC)
 * Thank you, kind sir. If you tell me you'll take the plunge, I'll renominate. EEng (talk) 23:54, 23 January 2015 (UTC)
 * Marty and EEng, Drmies needs help to explain humor. Hafspajen (talk) 00:23, 24 January 2015 (UTC)
 * No pressure, but you will be continuing your unofficial review, won't you? EEng (talk) 21:52, 24 January 2015 (UTC)
 * Give Me an Inch... yes, it'll get done this year, don't you worry. Martinevans123 (talk) 22:00, 24 January 2015 (UTC)

Wales
Howdy. My past experiences with the UK constituent countries (note the link) intro discussions, were unpleasant. I just figured I'd help you avoid any possible headaches ;) GoodDay (talk) 00:22, 24 January 2015 (UTC)

FWIW, you'll note that the same unecessary linkage is made at England & Scotland articles. I won't speculate on who made those linkages & why, however. GoodDay (talk) 18:10, 24 January 2015 (UTC)
 * It seems it started here Martinevans123 (talk) 18:21, 24 January 2015 (UTC)
 * That linkage was correct, IMHO :) I'm opposed to linking to country. -- GoodDay (talk) 18:27, 24 January 2015 (UTC)
 * But Scotland is much older, as a country, it seems: . Martinevans123 (talk) 18:35, 24 January 2015 (UTC)

I no longer push for linking to constituent country in those article leads, with good reason ;) But, I do support your unlinking proposal. GoodDay (talk) 18:41, 24 January 2015 (UTC)


 * Can't wait. "Dod adref i dân go iawn - brynu bwthyn yng Nghymru!" Martinevans123 (talk) 18:47, 24 January 2015 (UTC)

Poor Eurydice, she nearly made it this time. :) NebY (talk) 15:28, 25 January 2015 (UTC)


 * "... 'ere mate, I 'ad one of them three-headed pit bulls in the back of me cab last nite! His owner said he was guarding some Greek mafia or summat. Strike a lite! It's scarier than the Norff Circular at rush 'our!" --- "Sharron's Cabs", Ballam (talk) 16:19, 25 January 2015 (UTC)
 * David Teniers (II) - Dulle Griet (Mad Meg) - WGA22075.jpg ... note use of wiki dagger and knackered pantomine horse ]]

I had a date with a library last night and boy, was it ever stacked!
EEng (talk) 11:34, 24 January 2015 (UTC)
 * Stacked!? (p.s. I'm not here. I'm an official sock). Martinevans123 (talk) 11:40, 24 January 2015 (UTC)

Kevin De Bruyne
To answer your query - yes, unreferenced information about BLPs could and should be removed from anywhere on Wikipedia. WP:BLP, WP:V etc. See also current discussion at BLPN. GiantSnowman 12:59, 24 January 2015 (UTC)
 * It's not hard to find sources? Is his participation really in doubt? Martinevans123 (talk) 13:05, 24 January 2015 (UTC)
 * Looks like I failed to find a source for Bundesliga Young Player of the Year: 2012–13 in the two minutes between your "cleaning" there. Martinevans123 (talk) 13:09, 24 January 2015 (UTC)
 * Easier to leave it all to you, I guess. Martinevans123 (talk) 13:14, 24 January 2015 (UTC)

Auschwitz
Hi Martinevans123. I have paraphrased the content, as it was almost identical to the source (only two words were different). -- Diannaa (talk) 02:59, 28 January 2015 (UTC)
 * Hi Diannaa. As ever, thank you for your care and patience. As you know, I often have diffiulty in seeing copyvio in what appear to me as statements of plain fact. I'm left wondering now, if we do limit ourselves to just the two sentences at that article, if that is the most useful or appropriate second sentence. BBC coverage of the memorial has been quite extensive this year. Martinevans123 (talk) 12:29, 28 January 2015 (UTC)
 * Thanks, Diannaa, for adding the extra detail, which produces just the right balance in my view. Martinevans123 (talk) 20:48, 31 January 2015 (UTC)
 * It struck me as a particularly important anniversary, so I acted on your suggestion. Thanks for the positive feedback. -- Diannaa (talk) 23:03, 31 January 2015 (UTC)

Ouch!
EEng (talk) 00:02, 29 January 2015 (UTC) Ctrl-P PRINT!
 * Hahaha. In case you missed it :Pavlov's Cats. Martinevans123 (talk) 09:00, 29 January 2015 (UTC)

St Thomas' Church, Coventry
Martin. I have deleted the photo from this article. Good try, but the wrong St Thomas' Church. The church in the article was demolished in 1976, it was near the centre of the city, and did not have a steeple. The aerial view shows that its site is now occupied by housing and called St Thomas' Court. The photo was of an extant church in the outskirts of the city with a steeple. Cheers. --Peter I. Vardy (talk) 09:50, 29 January 2015 (UTC)
 * Many thanks Peter and apologies for the nuisance. I should read articles more carefully! Do they hold postcard fairs in Coventry, I wonder...? 1976 not that long ago. Martinevans123 (talk) 10:01, 29 January 2015 (UTC)

P
Stori hir, bron diddiwedd, o natur ddifyr ac o bosib yn anwir yw stori asgwrn pen llo. Mae'n debyg i'r ymadroddion Saesneg shaggy dog story a cock and bull story. Hafspajen (talk) 17:09, 29 January 2015 (UTC)
 * Keyboard on the fritz again? EEng (talk) 17:55, 29 January 2015 (UTC)
 * Far from it. Martinevans123 (talk) 18:01, 29 January 2015 (UTC)
 * Does it look good on your thing? for me it is chrashing into the section below. I mean it looked better before. Hafspajen (talk) 23:27, 29 January 2015 (UTC)
 * Oh, I think you must mean Gerty? At 100% it looks fine to me. But just an idea anyway. Please revert if you wish. I have to alternate between 100% and something larger with most articles anyway...) Martinevans123 (talk) 23:33, 29 January 2015 (UTC)
 * One never knows. GERTY?? Hafspajen (talk) 23:37, 29 January 2015 (UTC)
 * Kevin Spacey as you've never seen him before. An interesting and thought-provoking, low-budget, film which I urge to watch, if you haven't seen it yet. Martinevans123 (talk) 23:46, 29 January 2015 (UTC)
 * .' Since you are an unusually enlightened editor, you are probably right... Hafspajen (talk) 23:54, 29 January 2015 (UTC)
 * "*blush*" ... I do like to see myself as a leading light in the wiki Aufklärung. Martinevans123 (talk) 10:54, 30 January 2015 (UTC)
 * The leading light in the wiki Striptease? .. ***puzzled*** - that is of course a fast direct translation of the Swedish Aufklärung- [avklädning]. Something might have been lost in translation... Hafspajen (talk) 16:47, 30 January 2015 (UTC)
 * One needs to keep abreast of fashion when one's "In the Navy"(?) Martinevans123 (talk) 16:58, 30 January 2015 (UTC)
 * Why do you care about the shoes only, may I ask, leading expert in Wiki-stripease? Hafspajen (talk) 17:04, 30 January 2015 (UTC)
 * Who's keeping score?! Martinevans123 (talk) 17:07, 30 January 2015 (UTC)
 * OK; OK - her you have her with all her cloth on, Lucha vaVoom, Big Day Out (8391195859).jpg .... never mind skor. Hafspajen (talk) 17:11, 30 January 2015 (UTC)
 * If I Had 1,000,000 Flavours ice cream"? .... Martinevans123 (talk) 17:17, 30 January 2015 (UTC)
 * Well, that's one way of explaining the birth of the universe using - ice cream. Hafspajen (talk) 17:29, 30 January 2015 (UTC)
 * '<BIG><BIG><BIG>It's pollinium! </BIG></BIG></BIG> huh. Hafspajen (talk) 22:47, 4 February 2015 (UTC)


 * '<BIG><BIG><BIG>And polinium! </BIG></BIG></BIG> Hafspajen (talk) 23:33, 7 February 2015 (UTC)

With apologies to Bob Dylan
Seven days, seven more days they’ll be comin’ We’ll be waiting at the stadium for them to arrive Seven more days, all I gotta do is survive

Read more: .... Next Friday evening! — &#124; Gareth Griffith-Jones &#124; The Welsh Buzzard&#124; — 18:52, 30 January 2015 (UTC)


 * Bob Bob Bob Bob Bob Bob Hafspajen (talk) 19:12, 30 January 2015 (UTC)


 * Yes indeed, Gareth. Should be a humdinger. Martinevans123 (talk) 19:38, 30 January 2015 (UTC)


 * Tyger, tyger, burning bright, 
 * Down the fairway on the right;
 * What immortal hand or eye,
 * Could frame thy fearful long par three? - Blake (talk) 19:20, 30 January 2015 (UTC)


 * Such talent! I mean you. — &#124; Gareth Griffith-Jones &#124; The Welsh Buzzard&#124; — 11:00, 31 January 2015 (UTC)


 * Somebody snached Elvy. Hafspajen (talk) 17:48, 31 January 2015 (UTC)
 * That was me, — my thread, my choice of opening image. I watched two very talented Swedish young ladies (sisters) on the Graham Norton Show last Friday; do you know them? — &#124; Gareth Griffith-Jones &#124; The Welsh Buzzard&#124; — 15:05, 2 February 2015 (UTC)
 * And so by way of "compensation"... here's the wonderful Eilert Pilarm. "omg" Martinevans123 (talk) 17:50, 31 January 2015 (UTC)
 * Somebody also snached the disguised plutonium. Hafspajen (talk) 17:52, 31 January 2015 (UTC)
 * After hearing Eilert, I admit I stole it and drank it all. Martinevans123 (talk) 17:56, 31 January 2015 (UTC)
 * Tasted good Grape-Shot.jpg? Hafspajen (talk) 20:04, 31 January 2015 (UTC)
 * Um, I think I'll try and send it back. Martinevans123 (talk) 20:08, 31 January 2015 (UTC)


 * Since when does Bob Dylan want any kind of apology? EEng (talk) 17:54, 31 January 2015 (UTC)
 * UH,? Dunno. Maybe because of the Bad Hat Day? Hafspajen (talk) 19:08, 31 January 2015 (UTC)
 * Because,, I bastardised his Seven Days' lyrics. — &#124; Gareth Griffith-Jones &#124; The Welsh Buzzard&#124; — 15:05, 2 February 2015 (UTC)
 * First Aid Kit - Swedish folk duo is a mystery for me... ...  Hafspajen (talk) 14:29, 5 February 2015 (UTC)

For you

 * I must get painting again! ... or have word with Nathan:   Martinevans123 (talk) 12:19, 2 February 2015 (UTC)
 * marmite-artist-nathan???HUh? Hafspajen (talk) 16:44, 2 February 2015 (UTC)
 * I've always wanted to ask... is it true that they no longer use genuine mites in the manufacture of Marmite, and have switched to boll weevils instead? EEng (talk) 12:28, 2 February 2015 (UTC)
 * A vile and outrageous calumny! You'll be telling us all about Marmite's grocer's apostrophe next!! Martinevans123 (talk) 13:18, 2 February 2015 (UTC) ..... but it is now available in your local Chinese Traditional Healthfood Store as "Red Velvet Marmite". Yum.
 * You mean vile Calumet? EEng (talk) 14:01, 2 February 2015 (UTC)
 * "A common material for calumet pipe bowls is red pipestone or catlinite." Goodness me. Pipe bowls again! That might come in handy elsewhere.... Martinevans123 (talk) 14:08, 2 February 2015 (UTC)
 * Gosh... Culture has unexpected ramifications... Hafspajen (talk) 18:14, 2 February 2015 (UTC)
 * ... love him or hate him. Martinevans123 (talk) 18:17, 2 February 2015 (UTC) Golden Girls!!
 * uuboomHafspajen (talk) 23:17, 4 February 2015 (UTC)

Metaspacey
Made my evening. Thanks for that, hadn't heard. ---Sluzzelin talk  23:47, 2 February 2015 (UTC)
 * Thanks for adding a sample! (and **** my computer/system/whatever for not being able to handle it). I wish we could add a sample of the legendary battle with Maynard and Clifford where he's just so refreshingly understated and funny next to these virtuosi of baroque and of grace, particularly in his last four bars. Sorry for spamming you; needed to be shared. ---Sluzzelin  talk  19:57, 23 February 2015 (UTC)
 * Wow, not heard that for a while! How wonderful that is. From Dinah Jams (1954)? (I have nothing of hers, alas). Love how her phrasing isn't resolved with the backing rhythm until more than a minute in. That video montage is a bit random! But yeah superb playing from both. Thanks! Martinevans123 (talk) 20:41, 23 February 2015 (UTC)
 * Random, yep, and that's the album. I like Ferguson here (though he just can't help his stratospheric self) and of course Brownie can never fail, but you're right: Dinah Washington .... sigh ---Sluzzelin  talk  20:51, 23 February 2015 (UTC)
 * Yes, of course it's a three-way contest. To be honest it's a bit like having a bejewelled crown set with three sets of diamonds instead of just one! All a bit overpowering. Personally I'd settle for just Dinah and Terry. This is just bliss. It's like liquid all-star gold. Martinevans123 (talk) 21:13, 23 February 2015 (UTC) ... smash those vibes, Milt!!! .. and in case you missed it 1 hour 34 of 1967 magic (- assume BBC still owns the copyright, so can't post as external link)
 * (First of all, yes, the annoying randomness in the clip mainly has to do with the fact that Clifford Brown (of whom we only can fantasize what he might have sounded like becond 25) isn't pictured at all in the montage (the array does start out on the right foot, which makes the later randomness even more annoying). Thank you so much! No, I hadn't ever heard let alone viewed the 1967 gig (nor the wonderful Pennies, and you can't help but adore those 70s suits with Joe Pass etc, omg). I only listened to the first piece of the '67 thingy, and already am enchanted. Dizzy is one of the musicians I so regret never having seen live despite opportunities. As a teenager I had the lucky moment to watch Clark Terry in Lucerne. He also scatted, played an ever accelerating dialogue between trumpet (left hand) and flugelhorn (right hand), and he (charmingly) teased a member of the audience in the front row who had stuck her fingers in her ears in those rare occasions his horn screamed out loud, right in her face! (That audience member was my mother). I will listen to the rest after a night's rest. Thank you for your excellent contributions to music articles, Martin, and have a good night's rest too! ---Sluzzelin talk  00:23, 24 February 2015 (UTC)

Stuart Maconie
I'm not being disruptive. Why are you trying to silence dissent? --Stuart Maconie&#39;s Dad (talk) 22:19, 4 February 2015 (UTC)
 * Nor am I vandalising Wikipedia. Why are you lying? --Stuart Maconie&#39;s Dad (talk) 22:21, 4 February 2015 (UTC)
 * Try not to libel living people. And try not to be abusive in your comments. If you do so again, you'll get blocked. Thanks. Martinevans123 (talk) 22:23, 4 February 2015 (UTC)
 * Why not invite your pals User:Brecht89one and User:EnergemDealer2415 over? Martinevans123 (talk) 22:44, 4 February 2015 (UTC)
 * LIAR LIAR ... OH, but I still love you... Goethe in the Roman Campagna (talk) 22:47, 4 February 2015 (UTC)
 * A-ha, Martineva. Busted... Young Werther (talk) 22:47, 4 February 2015 (UTC)


 * OK. Did I miss anything? Now, when you're done screwing around with this guy and his father, can you please clean up Goldblade? Ta very much. Drmies (talk) 03:31, 5 February 2015 (UTC)
 * You mean this guy, his father, his vandal mate and his indeffed vandal socks? Of course, it could just all be an unfortunate coincidence. Martinevans123 (talk) 11:22, 5 February 2015 (UTC)


 * The things that one grows tired of—O, be sure


 * They are only foolish artificial things!
 * Can a bird ever tire of having wings?
 * And I, so long as life and sense endure,
 * (Or brief be they!) shall nevermore inure
 * My heart to the recurrence of the springs,
 * Of gray dawns, the gracious evenings,
 * The infinite wheeling stars. A wonder pure
 * Must ever well within me to behold
 * Venus decline; or great Orion, whose belt
 * Is studded with three nails of burning gold,
 * Ascend the winter heaven. Who never felt
 * This wondering joy may yet be good or great:
 * But envy him not: he is not fortunate.


 * -- Robinson Jeffers, 1887 - 1962 Hafspajen (talk) 20:46, 7 February 2015 (UTC).

It is this, Alexander Bolonkin, Hafspajen (talk) 23:11, 7 February 2015 (UTC)
 * Is it?!! That seems as likely as the connection between Kenneth Patchen and Vladimir Pasechnik. Martinevans123 (talk) 23:21, 7 February 2015 (UTC)
 * I have a bad feeling about this. This guy IS a famous scientist. I am a bit taken abck with the changes. Hafspajen (talk) 01:09, 8 February 2015 (UTC)
 * I mean we don't have to agree with his ideas, but still, he is rather notable. Hafspajen (talk) 01:17, 8 February 2015 (UTC)

The Great Gambon
Hi M. I know edit summaries are so short that they can lead to misunderstanding so I just wanted to show you the paragraph from the source about the fact that MG is only retiring from stage work. "But Sir Michael said he has no plans to put his film and screen career on hold, he announced, amid glowing reviews for his work on hit polar drama Fortitude." BTW I am watching Fortitude. It is a bit like Broadchurch in the frozen north. In fact if you ever watch it you might want to put on a sweater cause you can feel the chill right through your TV screen. Brrrr. Apologies for any offense in mt edit summary and cheers. MarnetteD&#124;Talk 23:41, 9 February 2015 (UTC)
 * No worries. Many thanks for clarifying. Martinevans123 (talk) 09:22, 10 February 2015 (UTC)

"suck accusations"...
Best typo of the year so far... PaleCloudedWhite (talk) 10:17, 10 February 2015 (UTC)
 * ...deserves a prize, I think. Martinevans123 (talk) 10:28, 10 February 2015 (UTC)
 * Mae'n brydgell ac mae'r brochgim stwd
 * Yn gimblo a gyrian yn y mhello:
 * Pob cólomrws yn féddabwd,
 * A'r hoch oma'n chwibruo. Hafspajen (talk) 10:41, 10 February 2015 (UTC)


 * EEng (talk) 11:58, 10 February 2015 (UTC)
 * Cymerir bod och ett misstag kan vända sig till och översätta "Jabberwocky" eller andra dumheter dikter till andra språk, jag feddwl. Martinevans123 (talk) 12:06, 10 February 2015 (UTC)
 * WP:Responding to threats of harm EEng (talk) 12:28, 10 February 2015 (UTC)
 * Don't worry, it's only stodgy Danish fare, not real HARM. Martinevans123 (talk) 12:35, 10 February 2015 (UTC)
 * Sorry, another typo. I meant threats of ham. Did you check out Return to the Library of Babel? EEng (talk) 12:51, 10 February 2015 (UTC)


 * For real threats of ham, you need to contact another editor. .. it's on "my list"! Martinevans123 (talk) 13:16, 10 February 2015 (UTC)
 * I'm pretty dam proud of Template:Ham, thank you very much. Drmies (talk) 15:32, 10 February 2015 (UTC)
 * C. S. Lewis would be proud of you, I'm sure. Martinevans123 (talk) 15:45, 10 February 2015 (UTC)
 * Wikipedia is not therapy ... cry... I always thought it was... Hafspajen (talk) 13:03, 10 February 2015 (UTC)
 * Well, as I said elsewhere some time back... If it is, it's not very effective. EEng (talk) 13:10, 10 February 2015 (UTC)
 * Ham therapy, anyone? Martinevans123 (talk) 13:19, 10 February 2015 (UTC)
 * We can all heartily thank Wikipedia for providing the material for Philomena Cunk's "Moments of Wonder" (not to mention Barry Shitpeas' more enlightened explanations). Martinevans123 (talk) 13:32, 10 February 2015 (UTC)
 * This looks like some kind of therapy, after all... Hafspajen (talk) 14:02, 10 February 2015 (UTC)
 * Looks like Black Magic to me. Martinevans123 (talk) 14:14, 10 February 2015 (UTC)

Sakotis!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Here's a Sakotis for you! This cake promotes WikiLove and hopefully this one has made your day better. Spread the WikiLove by giving this cake to someone else, whether it be someone you have had disagreements with in the past or a good friend. Make your own message to spread WikiLove to others! Happy editing! Hafspajen (talk) 11:54, 10 February 2015 (UTC)
 * Ah, how delightful, thanks. I can think of a few editors whose throats I'd like to ram some spikey cake down. Martinevans123 (talk) 12:10, 10 February 2015 (UTC)



Demis Roussos
Thanks for your comment. I dedicate to you this song in Spanish "Morir al lado de mi amor" RIP Demis Roussos. werldwayd (talk) 19:02, 11 February 2015 (UTC)
 * What a vaguely threatening title! But thanks, that's very thoughtful of you. Well done with the DM singles. Martinevans123 (talk) 19:07, 11 February 2015 (UTC)
 * This is my personal most favourite song of his. It is a famous song he sang called "Because" in English. But he released the same with different lyrics "Mourir auprès de mon amour" in French and "Morir al lado de mi amor" in Spanish. Both French and Spanish roughly mean "to die near my love". Actually he was singing his own death. My love can be interpreted as an actual love or love for all those in the world who loved him. I have now also completed further chart positions for albums. I mean I may have missed some, but whatever I could find in Dutch, German, Spanish, French chart listingsetc. It is so difficult to come up with a definitive listing as he had so many releases sometimes intertwining with each other, plus using different titles in different countries. werldwayd (talk) 21:01, 11 February 2015 (UTC)
 * I'm sure you've done an excellent job. Well done. Martinevans123 (talk) 21:03, 11 February 2015 (UTC)

A Valentine sheep
--Hafspajen (talk) 14:28, 13 February 2015 (UTC)
 * Awww, how cute. Martinevans123 (talk)

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GA Wid Lib
I've renominated Widener Library for GA. Since you've shown some recent interest in it, perhaps you'll take this on. Please, though, avoid the fate of so many GA reviews by clearly separating concerns related to the GA criteria from "extracurricular" concerns that can be addressed after the review is over. EEng (talk) 19:50, 14 February 2015 (UTC)
 * I was hoping to escape such an onerous and perilous task! I will try and have a look in the next day or so. Let's hope I can make it shorter than this one. Martinevans123 (talk) 19:59, 14 February 2015 (UTC)
 * I join you in that hope. EEng (talk) 20:14, 14 February 2015 (UTC)
 * I can't help noticing that just about all the points raised at Talk:Widener Library/GA1 were satisfactorily addressed. I have read the whole of that review in detail and I regard it as having done about 90% of my work, of anyone's work, in a review. Martinevans123 (talk) 20:22, 14 February 2015 (UTC)

Agree
One especially for you, for "agree". --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:50, 14 February 2015 (UTC)
 * I'm sure this counts as "floral canvassing"! Martinevans123 (talk) 22:03, 14 February 2015 (UTC)
 * Magnificent, - I stopped recording the vibrations ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:11, 14 February 2015 (UTC)
 * ... the only kind you need. Martinevans123 (talk) 22:17, 14 February 2015 (UTC)
 * Gloria with Psalm 150 in Hebrew also worked ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:32, 14 February 2015 (UTC)
 * Wow, that s a great looking article. And that's a great looking picture! :) Martinevans123 (talk) 22:39, 14 February 2015 (UTC)
 * Thank you! Never too late for a bit more love, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:54, 14 February 2015 (UTC)

Father Brown
Thanks. I thought you had mixed Mrs McCarthy with Mrs McGuire from Grantchester which is no more than a Father Brown rip off. This is episode is one of the best and similar to todays in being heart wrenching with some amusing moments. REVUpminster (talk) 19:05, 16 February 2015 (UTC)
 * Unfortunately I can't see Williams in anything without thinking of Jesse's Diets. Martinevans123 (talk) 19:09, 16 February 2015 (UTC)

General Dynamics F-16 Fighting Falcon
Whether you like it or not, this is the name of the article. i didn't name it with the manufacturer name. You deleted my edit and put back a redirect, which is wrong, because whenever possible, redirects should be avoided. If you dont like that manufacturer name appears, you could have done F-16 Fighting Falcon.--Arado (talk) 19:24, 16 February 2015 (UTC)
 * Yes, you could have done that too. It's not always necessary to give the full name of the article. If you think it adds to the clarity of the article it appears in, by all means use it. I don't think it does in this case. My likes or non-likes are irrelevant. Martinevans123 (talk) 19:25, 16 February 2015 (UTC)

I


feeelll ignored. . You are cold
 * Sorry Hafs! Can't talk now - got a carrot in my face, a mouth full of coal and a dodgy hat. Martinevans123 (talk) 15:53, 18 February 2015 (UTC)
 * Your hat suits you well. Hafspajen (talk) 17:00, 18 February 2015 (UTC)




 * Oh, it is probably just deisigiuise for Detective work. Hafspajen (talk) 17:59, 18 February 2015 (UTC)


 * ):):):):):):):):):O:)Hafspajen (talk) 19:45, 19 February 2015 (UTC)


 * Gready lips...Hafspajen (talk) 06:23, 20 February 2015 (UTC)
 * Probably Last chance to educate yourself on topic. Hafspajen (talk) 14:10, 20 February 2015 (UTC)
 * A tragedy! Tears will flow. Martinevans123 (talk) 14:20, 20 February 2015 (UTC) .... but I strongly doubt it - consensus in very short supply over there, "bro".
 * Looks like a mess, isn't it... Hafspajen (talk) 15:29, 20 February 2015 (UTC)

Candide Thovex Youtube videos
Hi, I am new to Wikipedia. I have been asked by Candide Thovex's management team to add historical information to his entry. I have included YouTube videos that illustrate historic moments from his career. In most cases they come from his official YouTube channel, his main sponsor (Quiksilver), or from the channels of the events which are referenced. So, in these cases they are about as valid a source as possible and the only sources available on the Internet. If you have any suggestions as to where I may find more valid sources, please let me know. Dave Mailman (talk) 16:01, 21 February 2015 (UTC) Dave Mailman


 * Hi Dave. Thanks for your message. We have only your word for that. You may need to provide evidence that you have not breached the copyright of the material posted at YouTube, even if it has been posted by "his main sponsor". But even if you do, links to YouTube videos are still not liked at Wikipedia and may be removed at any time. Since you claim to be acting on behalf of "Thovex's management team", you will also need to read WP:Conflict of interest, as you may not be impartial. A tag might also need to be added to the article talk page to explain your position to other editors. I'll copy this exchange to you Talk Page, for the benefit of other editors. Thanks. Martinevans123 (talk) 16:23, 21 February 2015 (UTC)

Replying in numbered lists
Hi Martin, just a heads-up that you keep breaking the numbering at the Chopin talk page because you're prefixing your replies with ::: instead of #:: -- Gory details at Help:List. Regards, --Stfg (talk) 16:36, 21 February 2015 (UTC)
 * Many thanks. Do I "keep breaking" it or have I just broken it twice? It's not intentional - I occasionally get it right. Martinevans123 (talk) 16:47, 21 February 2015 (UTC)
 * A better approach for you might be to just always do your best to get it wrong (since that seems easiest for you) and then the rest of us will just do the opposite -- sort of an anti-oracle you'd be. EEng (talk) 18:13, 21 February 2015 (UTC)
 * How kind. But I think I might feel trapped in my own Square of opposition, sob. Martinevans123 (talk) 18:19, 21 February 2015 (UTC)
 * Ah, apologies. It's been broken several times, but I haven't been keeping track of who. Maybe you only "kept" doing it once :) --Stfg (talk) 18:11, 21 February 2015 (UTC)

Please, don't sob, just follow. Some would possibly not tolerate a ramp for handicapped, if it distorts the "beauty" of a building. I like this palace, "built" by ? (hidden in an urn, how fitting), --Gerda Arendt (talk) 19:13, 21 February 2015 (UTC)
 * Haha. I must admit I was thinking exactly the same thing. Are we here to "make something beautiful" or to build a useful encyclopedia? But then I use lazy tags, so I'm probably far too lazy to appreciate real art. Martinevans123 (talk) 19:22, 21 February 2015 (UTC)


 * Old jokes ;) - Who built the palace? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 19:29, 21 February 2015 (UTC)


 * Indeed, all useful good points. Like User:Dr. Blofeld, I've got no particularly strong views. But I'm continually amazed that, while the project as whole seems 100% sold on infoboxes for bio articles in general, and for countless other types of article, it sees it as acceptable to make an exception for classical composers! I just see no logic there at all. Martinevans123 (talk) 19:41, 21 February 2015 (UTC)

Generally I support infoboxes were there is real informational value, but I certainly don't see the point in identiboxes, they're even worse. If we must have an infobox personally I'd prefer it to be detailed with quality facts in them. At one point I remember trying to force an infobox on composer articles and User:Kleinzach and a few others at the classical project went nuts.. I gradually came around to the nice clean look on actors/composers with a simple photograph in Tim and Cassianto's articles.♦ Dr. Blofeld  19:46, 21 February 2015 (UTC)
 * Nuts?? Ah yes, they probably see them as nothing more than litter. Martinevans123 (talk) 19:50, 21 February 2015 (UTC) ... "Tim and Cassianto"? ... are they like Gilbert & George?
 * Yes, they were mad that anybody dare touch a composer article with an infobox. I got a serious talking to for adding one! This is why dear Gerda is brave for taking this on! Kleinzach in my experience generally though is not the easiest going chap in the world..♦ Dr. Blofeld  19:59, 21 February 2015 (UTC)


 * (ec 3 times) There's a discussion on composers, did you know? - I saw the wall in Berlin in the 1980s and thought that would stay for my life, did you know? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:03, 21 February 2015 (UTC)
 * It's a trio, SchroCat also ;) - I made them a template ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:03, 21 February 2015 (UTC)
 * How intriguing! I thought cats loved boxes. Martinevans123 (talk)


 * Also some dogs (pictured if you follow links) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:20, 21 February 2015 (UTC)

A blotstar for you

 * Sorry, a bit busy right now, adjusting my Frank Spencer beret. Martinevans123 (talk) 17:57, 22 February 2015 (UTC)


 * No idea what blotting means exactly but what you did, lightening up the atmosphere, is worth ! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 18:02, 22 February 2015 (UTC)


 * Blotting? I find the whole discussion a bit testing. Martinevans123 (talk) 18:56, 22 February 2015 (UTC)


 * If you have a bit of extra time, another test: compare to Talk:The Rite of Spring. I am biased and would be interested how an unbiased person reacts to it. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 19:18, 22 February 2015 (UTC)


 * Ah yes, I remember now... running, screaming from the event. Quite a lengthy production. With many of the same players. And speeches. Martinevans123 (talk) 19:49, 22 February 2015 (UTC)


 * What left me speech-less today is the statement by an arb (who wasn't then) that eliminating Andy from these discussions "seemed to help with disruption in the area". - (looooong silence) - I became a member of freedom of speech when I left classical music. - Opera is a different story, I left but joined again this year. All Verdi operas have an infobox, most new operas, most new performers, - a pleasure to watch. Did you know that Andy installed a self portrait when he helped to design infobox opera (example 4) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:52, 22 February 2015 (UTC)


 * Hahaha. Poor Andy! Gerda you have such wisdom. Martinevans123 (talk) 20:58, 22 February 2015 (UTC)
 * sometimes --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:10, 22 February 2015 (UTC)


 * "Oooh ..." I'm trying to remember in which episode that beret ended up with a chicken on its spike? --Stfg (talk) 20:06, 22 February 2015 (UTC)


 * omg "Hahahahahahahahahahaha" "Edith, we are in enough trouble"Martinevans123 (talk) 20:11, 22 February 2015 (UTC) (...Chevalier's 1929 "Louise" like you've never heard it!)
 * Marty you are domed. Hafspajen (talk) 16:20, 25 February 2015 (UTC)
 * ... "lurching mechanical noises infrequently keeping a vague beat".

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 * enjoy some silence filled with thanks --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:45, 12 March 2015 (UTC)

Your Special Wikiroom delivery

 * Your Special Wikiroom delivery Hafspajen (talk) 23:06, 26 February 2015 (UTC)
 * Jolly good, Herm Hafspajen (talk) 23:56, 26 February 2015 (UTC)

Hans Holbein the Younger
We being on the same side here would be nice. Did you notice the candlid lit scenes in Wolf Hall. Wow. Ceoil (talk) 23:54, 27 February 2015 (UTC)
 * Haha, what a good guess. I added a comment about them in the article. Martinevans123 (talk) 00:00, 28 February 2015 (UTC)
 * Well, aparently the candlit shots were very expensive, but didnt draw in sufficient viewers, comprared to say the Tudors soap. Frankly I loved Wolf Hall, as good as the Tinker Tailor Soldier Spy eps; so beutifuly shot. Ceoil (talk) 00:14, 28 February 2015 (UTC)
 * I really don't know why they should have been any more expensive. I thought it was just a directorial decision. I found it quite natural and I'm not sure I even noticed it until they were discussing it with Kirsty Wark after the last episode. Another feature was the portable camera (apparently) But, yes it was beautifully shot. His wife did the music - Rylance was on Desert Island Discs two weeks ago. It seems one of their daughters died on the flight back to UK. How tragic is that. He's a great actor. Martinevans123 (talk) 00:23, 28 February 2015 (UTC)
 * he really is. Re those shots; think Barry Lyndon x about 5! Ceoil (talk) 03:42, 28 February 2015 (UTC)
 * Anyway, thanks for the edits; appreciated. Ceoil (talk) 09:29, 28 February 2015 (UTC)
 * It's a wonderfully strong portrait. (Although that "Note: Strong, 276" is a bit cryptic!?) Did you see Waldemar Januszczak on Holbein for BBC's The Culture Show? Martinevans123 (talk) 09:37, 28 February 2015 (UTC)
 * I did not, but thankfully the BBC website never disappoints. "In our time" does it for me. I did notice that a great many shots directly referenced his paintings. Joy. I'm guessing Wolf hall might be in the states in a week or two, thnking a DYK might be in order, though I normally shy away from that. You up? Ceoil (talk) 13:53, 28 February 2015 (UTC)
 * "Did you know, did you schknow." We'd have to battle that lunatic "Gage Library" over an outrageously inappropriate pun-laden hook. Martinevans123 (talk) 14:46, 28 February 2015 (UTC)
 * I can out pun any man. Even EE. Ceoil (talk) 21:44, 28 February 2015 (UTC)
 * Compared to me you are a rank punter. EEng (talk) 21:58, 28 February 2015 (UTC)
 * punk ranter, surely?? Martinevans123 (talk) 22:25, 28 February 2015 (UTC)


 * Sounds like puny girls pigtails fighting tlk to me. Ceoil (talk) 22:06, 28 February 2015 (UTC)
 * Yeah, like you'd know puny tlk if you heard it. EEng (talk) 22:15, 28 February 2015 (UTC)
 * Now, now, ladies! Martinevans123 (talk) 22:20, 28 February 2015 (UTC)
 * Martin, he f&*g started it. Fond as I am of EE, its no wonder wiki, and actually the world, is the going to hell in ragged handbag. I feel this is that grave. Hrmpt. Ceoil (talk) 22:33, 28 February 2015 (UTC)
 * This is the BBC World Service. It's going to hell on a sled. EEng (talk) 23:04, 28 February 2015 (UTC)
 * Well, I could have told you that 20 years ago.. But nobody listens to me, mumble. Whatever, you fabulous bastard. Ceoil (talk) 23:14, 28 February 2015 (UTC)

Jihadi John
When the Lone Ranger rides off into the sunset, someone will inevitably ask Who was that masked man? In the case of Jihadi John, it was some loser from London who thought that it was OK to kill unarmed civilians. It is interesting that UK government officials told the media off the record that Abdel-Majed Abdel Bary was a "key suspect", even though this may be wrong.-- ♦Ian Ma c M♦  (talk to me) 14:33, 28 February 2015 (UTC)
 * Phew, off the record, eh? That was lucky. But yes, very curious my dear Ianto. Maybe he was from downtown Indianapolis. Maybe he was from Bloomfield, Belfast. Martinevans123 (talk) 14:40, 28 February 2015 (UTC)
 * We don't really know much at all, due to the professional editing of the IS videos. Some people have suggested that the voice of Jihadi John is dubbed, and in any case we never see the bragging man actually decapitate the victims, as happens in some videos.-- ♦Ian Ma c M♦  (talk to me) 14:47, 28 February 2015 (UTC)
 * You are totally right. Two essential points that no-one ever seems to mention. Jihadi John is a grim cult figure. Emwazi is some sad London lad who hit his head on the metal goalposts. Martinevans123 (talk) 14:51, 28 February 2015 (UTC)
 * Yes, it has been suggested that Henry VIII of England developed decapitational tendencies after an incident in January 1536 when he was thrown from his horse and spent some time unconscious. Then again, some people would be capable of doing this anyway.-- ♦Ian Ma c M♦  (talk to me) 14:56, 28 February 2015 (UTC)
 * Blimey! And I just thought he composed Greensleeves. Martinevans123 (talk) 15:04, 28 February 2015 (UTC) ... "... once sporty and generous, became cruel, vicious and paranoid, his subjects began talking about him in a new way, and the turnover of his wives speeded up." (... sounds like some editors I know) "Does my 28 stone look big in this?"
 * It is also remarkable that BBC News claimed a scoop on this, as The Washington Post was the first to name Emwazi.-- ♦Ian Ma c M♦  (talk to me) 15:26, 28 February 2015 (UTC)
 * You see, you just can't trust these Yanks. Martinevans123 (talk) 15:30, 28 February 2015 (UTC)
 * I was watching BBC News Channel on Thursday, and they were completely confident in claiming this as a scoop. However, The Washington Post is does not confirm this. The Washington Post story also stops short of giving a 100% confirmation that Jihadi John is Emwazi, despite what some people have claimed.-- ♦Ian Ma c M♦  (talk to me) 15:52, 28 February 2015 (UTC)
 * Ok, ok, Ian. The more you reveal, the more I am thinking this was a W.P. scoop that may have embarrassed both Obama and Cameron, and almost the BBC who had to go along with it. Shucks I'm going have to go and strike out all my robust comments on the JJ Talk page! Or else just wait for the next W.P. revelation.... Martinevans123 (talk) 16:00, 28 February 2015 (UTC)
 * It has been suggested that the BBC already knew about this from Cageprisoners, also known as CAGE.-- ♦Ian Ma c M♦  (talk to me) 16:07, 28 February 2015 (UTC)
 * Ah, yes they're the ones who blame MI5 for being the metal goalposts, aren't they? (... whoops! almost linked to The Daily Snail, there). Martinevans123 (talk) 16:23, 28 February 2015 (UTC)

The BBC's news reports gave considerable weight to Cageprisoners spokespersons. Maybe - just maybe - they had already heard about Mohammed Emwazi.-- ♦Ian Ma c M♦  (talk to me) 16:29, 28 February 2015 (UTC)
 * Reading between the lines, it looks as though members of CAGE had told the BBC pretty much the same things that they told the Washington Post, but it was the Washington Post that published first. I'm off, it's been a long day.-- ♦Ian Ma c M♦  (talk to me) 19:43, 28 February 2015 (UTC)
 * Thanks Ian. You deserve a rest. Your thorough research is an inspiration. Martinevans123 (talk) 19:51, 28 February 2015 (UTC)

Weird
Here are the Google News UK autocomplete results for "ji" this morning.-- ♦Ian Ma c M♦  (talk to me) 07:10, 3 March 2015 (UTC)
 * What a collection. Guess none of them are really G.I. Joes, are they. Martinevans123 (talk) 08:47, 3 March 2015 (UTC)
 * If it's any consolation I get 'Jingle Bells, Jimmy Choo, jigsaw and, of course, Jizz Monster. Martinevans123 (talk) 08:50, 3 March 2015 (UTC)
 * I'm not quite sure how Google autocomplete works, and whether everyone sees the same things. These are the non-news results, the others were from http://news.google.co.uk/ . Shamefully, I had to look up who Jimmy Bullard was.-- ♦Ian Ma c M♦  (talk to me) 09:10, 3 March 2015 (UTC)
 * I advise you to Bend it like Bullard. Let's not forget those other Jimmies we have all loved, including: Ruffin, Jewell, Osmond, Hendrix, Young, Wales and of course The Undertones. Martinevans123 (talk) 09:45, 3 March 2015 (UTC) .... and not forgetting Jimmy the raven who appeared in over 1,000 feature films...
 * Experts declare (WP:WEASEL) that you can learn a lot by the autocomplete results that come up when certain letters or words are entered into Google Search and the autocomplete results come up. There have been some NSFW/politically incorrect/potentially libellous examples. There was one person with a BLP whose name would produce a range of these results, but I must have had a bang on the head and forgotten which one it was, as I cannot name it here.-- ♦Ian Ma c M♦  (talk to me) 10:40, 3 March 2015 (UTC)
 * Ah yes, NFSW - Google's very useful when you're in a hurry. A bang on the head can be useful in avoiding blame. Martinevans123 (talk) 10:54, 3 March 2015 (UTC)

Even more weird
This comes from The Ronnie Johns Half Hour. Fatwas at the ready...-- ♦Ian Ma c M♦  (talk to me) 17:16, 4 March 2015 (UTC)
 * Ah, that gentle American humor! I must get one in ready for next Christmas. Martinevans123 (talk) 17:25, 4 March 2015 (UTC)
 * To continue my long association with pedantry, this was made for Australian TV. It is a favourite link for Americans, though.-- ♦Ian Ma c M♦  (talk to me) 17:28, 4 March 2015 (UTC)
 * "Strewth, possums!" Martinevans123 (talk) 17:35, 4 March 2015 (UTC)
 * And some more satire from the current issue of Private Eye.-- ♦Ian Ma c M♦  (talk to me) 09:12, 5 March 2015 (UTC)

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That was [Esperanto].

No respect!
I tell you I get no respect! I go to the doctor, I tell him "Doc, every time I look in the mirror I want to throw up! What's wrong with me?" The doctor says "Well, its not your eyesight." I tell you I get no respect!--MONGO 17:27, 28 February 2015 (UTC)


 * Me too. I tell you I get no respect! I go to the doctor, I tell him "Doc, every time I look in the mirror I want to grow up!" Hafspajen (talk) 17:51, 28 February 2015 (UTC)


 * From the picture you posted above, Hafs, next time you go, I think your doctor needs to look elsewhere. Martinevans123 (talk) 17:58, 28 February 2015 (UTC)
 * Man: "Doctor, doctor, I feel like a pair of curtains."
 * Doctor: "Nonsense man! You need a decent classical composer."
 * I get no respect either! I go to the doc, I say, "doc im having odd dreams. Last night I dreamed I was a wigwam, and then a circus big top" he says "you're just too tense!" No respect from anyone anymore! Irondome (talk) 18:11, 28 February 2015 (UTC)
 * Somewhat odd story coming from an "Irondome". EEng (talk) 18:07, 1 March 2015 (UTC)
 * That was what finally persuaded me to get one! Irondome (talk) 20:28, 1 March 2015 (UTC)
 * Thanks so much for that joke, Domey, I could see your intent. It reminded me of Christmas about 10 years ago. A real cracker. Martinevans123 (talk) 20:42, 1 March 2015 (UTC)
 * Me, too, as,  Caradoc ap Ynyr (talk) 17:51, 28 February 2015 (UTC)

Happy David's day, go reveal moar ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 11:42, 1 March 2015 (UTC) ... +1

I tell you I get no respect! I go to the doctor I say "Hey doc! I never have sex so how will I ever manage to have a three some!?" The doc says "use both hands!"...budda bum. I tell you I get no respect!--MONGO 17:55, 1 March 2015 (UTC)


 * I tell you I get no respect! I look at William Burges, do you see what I see/saw? What kind of consensus is that? Revealing, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:21, 1 March 2015 (UTC)

Pointy birds. So pointy-pointy

Anoint my head! Anointy-nointy.

I thank you. Irondome (talk) 20:41, 1 March 2015 (UTC)
 * "Please take a ticket from reception and await to be called." Martinevans123 (talk) 20:47, 1 March 2015 (UTC) ...Note: bird watching is down the corridor.
 * No respect..mutter ..shuffle..some drooling..didn't even indicate which door..Irondome (talk) 21:23, 1 March 2015 (UTC)


 * We are the [outlaws]... Hafspajen (talk) 00:03, 3 March 2015 (UTC)

Paging Dr. Young
Remember Dr. Young? And the DYK Hook to End All DYK Hooks --
 * ... that Dr. Young's Ideal Rectal Dilators were abruptly withdrawn after the FDA clamped down on them?

--? Well, I think it's time we got working in that, don't you? I'm still unsure whether we can get past the notability threshold, but I take hope from this (left column, top) and. The major problem is that this is really a primary source -- we'll need something secondary if possible on the FDA action. In fact, these, um, devices were apparently sold through the 50s and maybe the 70s, so we may have to turn the hook around to "not withdrawn despite" etc. Why don't you see if you can come up with anything. EEng (talk) 05:13, 2 March 2015 (UTC)

I ask the doc, "Hey doc....what's the difference between a rectal thermometer and an oral one? Doc says "The taste".....booo! Lousy joke!--MONGO 20:27, 3 March 2015 (UTC)
 * Doctor, Doctor I keep getting pains in the eye when I drink coffee.
 * Have you tried taking the spoon out?

You are all hopeless


Houses at Auvers Hafspajen (talk) 20:12, 3 March 2015 (UTC)
 * Phew. Not just me then. Martinevans123 (talk) 21:50, 3 March 2015 (UTC)
 * That was BAD, I AM GOING TO PUNISH YOU. With green naked women. Hafspajen (talk) 20:58, 4 March 2015 (UTC)


 * No worries. She has pink In All the Right Places. Martinevans123 (talk) 21:00, 4 March 2015 (UTC)
 * Than it wasn't green enough. Hafspajen (talk) 22:53, 4 March 2015 (UTC)
 * Why now she really is green. But more kind of oxidised copper? Martinevans123 (talk) 22:57, 4 March 2015 (UTC) ... any excuse.... ... go Damo, go Holger!!


 * No messsing with van Gögh. Hafspajen (talk) 01:01, 5 March 2015 (UTC)
 * You mean 'that van Gögh?! Martinevans123 (talk) 08:51, 5 March 2015 (UTC)


 * NOT Stör kräk vön Gögh. Gäniüs van Gögh. Hafspajen (talk) 11:31, 5 March 2015 (UTC)


 * Hafspajen (talk) 21:44, 5 March 2015 (UTC)
 * ....What? No sign of any frogs? Martinevans123 (talk) 21:54, 5 March 2015 (UTC)
 * KIss me Frog-candle hg.jpg Marty!!!!Glass salt cellar 1720.jpg .... we are here Flegel Stillleben mit Frosch.jpg ... Wind in the Willows pg 326.png'Pond and Insects' from the 'Colorful Realm of Living Beings' by Ito Jakuchu.jpg
 * That's the nicest Green Lady you've shown me yet! Martinevans123 (talk) 22:06, 5 March 2015 (UTC)
 * What do you know, I never noticed that oriental one. neee Hafspajen (talk) 22:08, 5 March 2015 (UTC)

inquiring minds want to know
Anything you want to tell us? EEng (talk) 09:09, 5 March 2015 (UTC)


 * We are ships that pass in the night - sometimes under the transporter bridge. Robevans123 (talk) 09:22, 5 March 2015 (UTC)
 * That name rings a bell, it's true. I do have a slight interest in trains. But I'm known locally as "The Dark Destroyer". (sorry if this is a bitter pill to swallow.) Martinevans123 (talk) 09:49, 5 March 2015 (UTC)
 * "Libraries gave us power, then work came and made us free". JamesDeanEvans123 (talk) 10:07, 5 March 2015 (UTC)
 * While I may not be a domestic goddess, my favourite journey is coming home over the Severn Bridge. And although I would rather have played for Wales at Cardiff Arms Park than Rusty Charlie at the Hexagon, Reading (my finest performance), it may happen one day. Exiled in Cambridge (talk) 11:38, 5 March 2015 (UTC)
 * I'm sure Rusty has his charms. Don't sell yourself short. Martinevans123 (talk) 11:55, 5 March 2015 (UTC)


 * Damn Welsh. And why are there 1, 2, 3 of them? Softlavender (talk) 01:48, 6 March 2015 (UTC)
 * Haha, yes. That's cousin Eddie from Ystalyfera, also known as "Evans the Heels". Martinevans123 (talk) 10:26, 6 March 2015 (UTC)

Talk:Main Page


What on earth? MadGuy7023 (talk) 19:07, 6 March 2015 (UTC)
 * Sorry, no idea. Not even looking at Main Page! Sticky mouse? But I saw nothing and got no confirmation pop-up. Please disregard. Martinevans123 (talk) 19:10, 6 March 2015 (UTC) /... just tried to self-revert, but you beat me to it. Many thanks.
 * No worries, I did that myself once; Luckily I knew I did that myself and self reverted. MadGuy7023 (talk) 19:14, 6 March 2015 (UTC)
 * I've done maybe twice in 6 years. But this time no indications that anything had happened. Thanks for telling me, anyway.

For You

 * Really? Only one? Just me? Ahh, how lovely, I'll just get my Irish knitwear .... but that's funny I'd always seen myself more as a Bullet With Butterfly Wings!! Martinevans123 (talk) 18:26, 10 March 2015 (UTC)
 * .... we all make mistakes forgive me.....(featuring a genius from Abertridwr, Caerphilly)
 * .Goodness gracious.  Hafspajen (talk) 00:01, 11 March 2015 (UTC) :

Jeremy Clarkson
Can't help but be reminded here of Waldorf Salad (Fawlty Towers).-- ♦Ian Ma c M♦  (talk to me) 12:46, 14 March 2015 (UTC)
 * Haha yes, how very appropriate. I'm sure Mr Hamilton would approve. What is the BBC coming too these days? You'd have thought Jezza could have afforded 20 quid! Martinevans123 (talk) 12:57, 14 March 2015 (UTC)
 * You cannot walk into a hotel at any time of day and demand a meal of your choice, as the Waldorf Salad episode shows. Hollywood stars would get round this problem by having their own catering trucks on location, but whether the BBC licence fee stretches to this is another matter.-- ♦Ian Ma c M♦  (talk to me) 13:07, 14 March 2015 (UTC)
 * Daytona here we come! .... star in the reasonably priced car. Martinevans123 (talk) 13:37, 14 March 2015 (UTC)
 * Well, when JC (not Jesus Christ, the other one) loses his job and goes over to ITV or Sky, he can have it written into his contract that he has his own catering truck. It's an ill wind...-- ♦Ian Ma c M♦  (talk to me) 13:41, 14 March 2015 (UTC)
 * Or even arrange his own? Martinevans123 (talk) 13:53, 14 March 2015 (UTC)
 * Almost had me there, it appears that Ken Clarkson has nothing to do with JC. Here is the website of the hotel which JC (allegedly) found to have Fawlty Towers-style failings. Neither the Brasserie Menu nor the Restaurant Menu offers the guests a Waldorf salad (100% true).-- ♦Ian Ma c M♦  (talk to me) 14:04, 14 March 2015 (UTC)
 * Looks charming. A little piece of God's Own County that will be forever Fawlty - "What ho, Jezza!" Martinevans123 (talk) 14:11, 14 March 2015 (UTC)
 * When a hotel guest behaves like this, the traditional response is for the staff to pee in the soup and w@nk in the mayonnaise. Needless to say, the staff at the hotel in question are far too cultured to do this sort of thing.-- ♦Ian Ma c M♦  (talk to me) 14:22, 14 March 2015 (UTC)
 * Yikes. Hate to think what happens at Christmastime. Martinevans123 (talk) 14:34, 14 March 2015 (UTC)
 * JC (allegedly) wanted a steak. The Brasserie Menu would have offered this for £21.95 (quite reasonable for a hotel meal IMHO), but it closes at 8:45 PM. JC (allegedly) arrived at 10 PM. C'est la vie, I suppose.-- ♦Ian Ma c M♦  (talk to me) 15:17, 14 March 2015 (UTC)
 * Great to see where our license fee money isn't going. Martinevans123 (talk) 16:44, 14 March 2015 (UTC)
 * I'm surprised that none of the mainstream media has pointed this out, as it is only a few mouse clicks away. My local pub chain offers steak meals any time that it is open, and 10 PM would not be a huge problem (mind you, the frozen chips are a bit crap). It is surprising that the brasserie closes at 8:45 PM.-- ♦Ian Ma c M♦  (talk to me) 16:51, 14 March 2015 (UTC)


 * And here is a steak meal from the pub in question. It was OK but might not have satisfied Jeremy Clarkson, who (allegedly) wanted an "8 oz sirloin with fondant potatoes, pan-fried wild mushrooms, grilled cherry tomatoes and peppercorn sauce."-- ♦Ian Ma c M♦  (talk to me) 17:04, 14 March 2015 (UTC)
 * Great to see you tucking in to your "Jezza Fracas Celebratory Platter".

Frankenstein (disambiguation)
I noticed your revert. I hope you don't think I created that mess on Frankenstein (disambiguation). In fact it was done by User:173.17.0.226 who has made only one edit as you can see here and here. I had corrected a simple spelling error and after a second thought was in the process of fixing the garbage when you jumped in. :) Jodosma (talk) 21:08, 14 March 2015 (UTC)
 * No worries. Sorry for jumping in. I often do. I could see you were doing batch of corrections to "label". Martinevans123 (talk) 23:41, 14 March 2015 (UTC)
 * Thanks. I'm trawling through Lists of common misspellings which is a good source of errors for me. Ciao. Jodosma (talk) 09:05, 15 March 2015 (UTC)
 * Don't worry - you won't run out with me around! Martinevans123 (talk) 10:01, 15 March 2015 (UTC)

A golf girl for you!
Well I'm glad to see there's one other person on here who has heard of In The Land Of Grey And Pink ... I used to play "Golf Girl" at open mics a long time ago, it just fits my voice and the words are quite silly and surreal, and hence easy to remember. <b style="color:#7F007F">Ritchie333</b> <sup style="color:#7F007F">(talk) <sup style="color:#7F007F">(cont)  21:31, 15 March 2015 (UTC)
 * One my favourite albums ever. Just so impeccably English (now this is VERY high praise coming from a Welshman!) I have yet to hear "the 5.1 thingy" for this album, but if it's anything like what's been done with Talking Heads, it's probably a revelation. Martinevans123 (talk) 21:48, 15 March 2015 (UTC) p.s. can Morgan Pressel sue for that?
 * ALSO, there's that really distinctive organ sound (hard to believe it's a Hammond, but I guess it must be) that goes thorough all the Canterbury stuff - Hatfield and the North, Robert Wyatt, Soft Machine, etc, etc. - if you know what I mean. Just magic. Martinevans123 (talk) 22:18, 15 March 2015 (UTC)
 * Yup, you just take a Hammond and put it through a Marshall amp, maybe putting a wah-wah en route. I think about halfway through "Winter Wine" you can hear the click of a wah-wah pedal being activated. The title track of Things May Come and Things May Go but the title of this article goes on for ever and ever until it seems to take over the entire paragraph has a similar set-up. A lot of the time it's Dave Sinclair just passing through different bands. <b style="color:#7F007F">Ritchie333</b> <sup style="color:#7F007F">(talk)  <sup style="color:#7F007F">(cont)  22:26, 15 March 2015 (UTC)
 * I heard this album in my formative years and I thought, "wow, so you can have rock that's not got huge pounding guitar riffs, but has some kind of enchanted woodland feel to it!" (... and then I heard Pink Floyd and realised you can actually have both). But I've always been very partial to that organ sound. Martinevans123 (talk) 22:38, 15 March 2015 (UTC) ... "Instrumentally, David Sinclair's fuzztone Hammond organ sound is a key ingredient of the early Caravan albums and his playing is the dominant instrument on them." apparently ...
 * Given that the band comes from round these parts, there something of local heroes I guess. I saved Jim Leverton from AfD (or was it just a rejected AfC?) who's played with them, and I've met a few of Rocky and the Natives, a local band that Geoff Richardson plays in when he's not Caravanning. PS: The 2001 CD reissue sleeve notes say the first date of recording was 14 September 1970. If that's an unreliable source then ik ben een Neelander. Umm.... <b style="color:#7F007F">Ritchie333</b> <sup style="color:#7F007F">(talk) <sup style="color:#7F007F">(cont)  23:23, 15 March 2015 (UTC)
 * I think maybe Dave Grinstead and his cannon deserve a mention in the text?? Martinevans123 (talk) 21:11, 16 March 2015 (UTC)
 * IIRC the CD sleeve notes don't say anything other than his mention in the credits, so what's there is cited almost verbatim. However, my notes for If I Could Do It All Over Again... credit Pye Hastings with "impersonation of a friendly gorilla", so when I get round expanding that, it should definitely go in! <b style="color:#7F007F">Ritchie333</b> <sup style="color:#7F007F">(talk) <sup style="color:#7F007F">(cont)  21:37, 16 March 2015 (UTC)

Not too far off GA, this now, I think. Just a reliable source citing the trombone and a few other citations and I think we're there. <b style="color:#7F007F">Ritchie333</b> <sup style="color:#7F007F">(talk) <sup style="color:#7F007F">(cont)  22:19, 18 March 2015 (UTC)
 * I do hope we can pin down the cannon. Martinevans123 (talk) 22:26, 18 March 2015 (UTC)
 * I always felt a bit uncomfortable with the line "illuminates the breasts of four young girls" in "Winter Wine", and post Yewtree, it just sounds plain perverse. <b style="color:#7F007F">Ritchie333</b> <sup style="color:#7F007F">(talk) <sup style="color:#7F007F">(cont)  16:33, 19 March 2015 (UTC)
 * Don't worry, the Goddard Inquiry is now meant to stretch as far back as the era of wandering minstrels and knights in armour cold. (But it might take quite a long time to complete.) Martinevans123 (talk) 17:09, 19 March 2015 (UTC)
 * That reminds me of a bad joke, a bloke goes onto a beach with Jimmy Savile and Gary Glitter. His mate looks at him and says, "you idiot, I said bring a pair of _s_peedos! <b style="color:#7F007F">Ritchie333</b> <sup style="color:#7F007F">(talk) <sup style="color:#7F007F">(cont)  17:36, 19 March 2015 (UTC)
 * What did Margaret Thatcher and Jimmy Savile have in common?
 * They both shafted miners in the 1980s. Martinevans123 (talk) 17:43, 19 March 2015 (UTC)

Cervantes
"Britannica fairy-dust" – good one! Sca (talk) 14:54, 18 March 2015 (UTC)
 * Should be using "Enciclopedia Iberica", of course. Martinevans123 (talk) 15:02, 18 March 2015 (UTC)
 * Or, I understand pre-1990 copies of this one are going cheap these days. Sca (talk) 15:48, 18 March 2015 (UTC)
 * "Whatever happened to Leon Trotsky? ... dear old Lenny? ... the great Elmyra, and Sancho Panza?" Martinevans123 (talk) 22:30, 18 March 2015 (UTC)
 * And talking of strangling someone, I'm not going to bother at ITN any more, since the Encyclopedia Britannica is apparently just a "lame mirror of Wikipedia" (how and when did that happen??) that can't be used too many times in the same article section. And no-one can explain objectively (let alone write down somewhere) how good an article has to be to be linked from the Main Page. So now we have a lovely Cervantes patchwork quilt. Apparently it's "the very antithesis of a "quality article"". So hardly worth pissing on, even if it were on fire. Martinevans123 (talk) 09:56, 19 March 2015 (UTC)
 * This just in to the ITN newsroom: Miguel de Cervantes is still dead. Sca (talk) 16:00, 19 March 2015 (UTC)
 * Hahaha. Thanks for the update. I was beginning to worry. Martinevans123 (talk) 16:12, 19 March 2015 (UTC)

A reminder
Rules for Fools.
 * And exactly what are you implying, Mr Anon!?? How very dare you! As if I have ever been seen in a multicoloured tricorn hat with bells on!! Martinevans123 (talk) 08:27, 20 March 2015 (UTC)
 * Huh. Pepsi (talk) 19:39, 20 March 2015 (UTC)

Up close and personal
I wonder if you would be so kind as to give an expedited examination to Template:Did you know nominations/Dr. Young's Ideal Rectal Dilators, with an eye towards its being ready for April 1? I am, sir, as always, your humble and obedient etc. etc. and so on and so forth. EEng (talk) 03:30, 20 March 2015 (UTC)
 * The perfect phrases for such requests have been found by Bach, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:02, 20 March 2015 (UTC)


 * Or, was it Mozart? Sca (talk) 13:16, 20 March 2015 (UTC)
 * What did you miss in: joy in the effort of "awakening"? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:20, 20 March 2015 (UTC)
 * Well, I'm partly of Swabian descent. Does that explain it? Sca (talk) 13:57, 20 March 2015 (UTC)
 * Yes, it does. Would now somebody bold see what I tried to awake, and perhaps do it? There should now be no serious objection, just I can't do it myself, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 14:04, 20 March 2015 (UTC)
 * Ich bin verwirrt. Sca (talk) 14:55, 20 March 2015 (UTC)
 * "Ich bin ein Pfannkuchen". Martinevans123 (talk) 15:08, 20 March 2015 (UTC)
 * Faulpelz seem to be strictly for men, no idea what a lazy woman would be called. He (Siegfried) has not seen a woman before, his mother died when giving birth, and he was raised only by a male dwarf. Nonetheless, he will kiss this woman and then she wakes up for "Everything you can sing I can sing louder" and "Love on the rocks" (see Anna Russell). - Anyway, look at Don Giovanni, back to Mozart, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 15:24, 20 March 2015 (UTC)
 * Why, a Faulpelzin, of course! Sca (talk) 17:57, 20 March 2015 (UTC)
 * Ah, yes. I think the English equivalent term would be "you lazy cow". Martinevans123 (talk) 16:09, 20 March 2015 (UTC) ... but great to see The Jazz Singer getting a mention.
 * --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:19, 30 March 2015 (UTC)
 * I'd certainly never wish to "chain men to machine-readable data", I can assure you. Martinevans123 (talk) 08:38, 20 March 2015 (UTC)
 * Dear Dr. Young as if I would ever dignify such mindless twaddle outrageous threats with any response.... D'oh! Martinevans123 (talk) 08:33, 20 March 2015 (UTC)
 * By "mindless twaddle," did you perhaps mean cruft? Sca (talk) 12:46, 21 March 2015 (UTC)
 * It's all Greek to me... Martinevans123 (talk) 13:21, 21 March 2015 (UTC)
 * You mean Geek. Sca (talk) 14:18, 21 March 2015 (UTC)

Incognito
Can you get rid of that creature some day so I can return to your page? ANI-ymous (talk) 08:24, 24 March 2015 (UTC)


 * Wow that looks like quite a party going on there. I'll get my caddy to have a word.... Martinevans123 (talk) 08:36, 24 March 2015 (UTC)
 * And JUST how did you knew I am a one of those? Hafspajen (talk) 08:58, 24 March 2015 (UTC)
 * It was probably the bicycle clips I spotted under the surplice. Martinevans123 (talk) 09:27, 24 March 2015 (UTC)
 * Well, it was only a try to be efficient ... Hafspajen (talk) 09:56, 24 March 2015 (UTC)

THat terrible woman in yellow shorts is still there. Anti-Yellow shorts (talk) 18:28, 26 March 2015 (UTC)
 * Yes, sorry about that, might be a while before she "takes off" .... nice club though, don't you think? Martinevans123 (talk) 22:44, 26 March 2015 (UTC)
 * Bridge Club, Mixed Dance Lessons and Live Sky & BT Football - ... this kind your club?  The vigorous Ante-Yellow shorts (talk) 18:28, 26 March 2015 (UTC)
 * Do all wear Yellow Terrible Shorts? The vigorous Penny ante (talk) 00:28, 27 March 2015 (UTC)
 * You-betcha!!! ... "Hold a chicken in the air, Stick a deckchair up your nose" !! Just imagine ... Nigel and Tezza in perfect harmony!  YAY!! Bring on May 7th!! Martinevans123 (talk) 23:25, 26 March 2015 (UTC)
 * THERE is only ONE chicken SONG. The vigorous Pio (talk) 00:28, 27 March 2015 (UTC)
 * Soooo, she is still here today too. Time for Lars-Åke Wilhelmsson. At least no terrible YELLOW SHORTS inte, det, inte.  Anti-Yellow shorts (talk) 18:28, 27 March 2015 (UTC)
 * Much MUCH more stylish than your yellow-shorts -thing. Hafspajen (talk) 14:37, 27 March 2015 (UTC)
 * By Jove, Biggles, that chap's a girl, don't cha know! Hafspajen (talk) 16:01, 30 March 2015 (UTC)

More uplifting comments from the peanut gallery


EEng (talk) 13:00, 27 March 2015 (UTC)
 * I would have said more of a "plain Jane". How grumpy can you get! But I'd have thought any post that begins i am women ought to be treated with more than a little caution. Martinevans123 (talk) 13:15, 27 March 2015 (UTC)
 * Um, did you persist to the second bit of the diff? EEng (talk) 13:19, 27 March 2015 (UTC)
 * Ah, evidently not.... goodness me EEng, you plumb new depths. You are hereby officially awarded the Golden Arse Trumpet of Scunthorpe. Martinevans123 (talk) 13:39, 27 March 2015 (UTC)
 * You surely can't have expected me to resist, can you? EEng (talk) 13:54, 27 March 2015 (UTC) Good news! Template:Did you know nominations/Dr. Young's Ideal Rectal Dilators is going to the main page! No thanks to you...
 * I feel so relieved. Martinevans123 (talk) 13:58, 27 March 2015 (UTC)
 * You can always buy a medium sized or small Tiger ... to cerebrate. Hafspajen (talk) 20:43, 27 March 2015 (UTC)
 * OH- hey they don't wear YELLOW SHORTS. Hafspajen (talk) 20:45, 27 March 2015 (UTC)
 * ....Fighting talk! Martinevans123 (talk) 20:58, 27 March 2015 (UTC)
 * NOOO, You sacrilegious pantheist. Hafspajen (talk) 21:25, 27 March 2015 (UTC)
 * I'm not a pantyist!! ...well, not weekdays, anyway. Martinevans123 (talk) 21:27, 27 March 2015 (UTC)
 * MARTY, NO yellow shorts. Not a bit. It's a no-no. Say after me never more yellow shorts. ( panties, well - OK.) Hafspajen (talk) 21:30, 27 March 2015 (UTC)
 * A Yellow Shorts! Martinevans123 (talk) 21:35, 27 March 2015 (UTC)
 * NO no, MARTY, DON'T .... cry .. no more yellow. No yellow SHIRT, no yellow SHORT. FORRBIDDEN. Hafspajen (talk) 21:37, 27 March 2015 (UTC)
 * Second thought - what not weekdays? Hafspajen (talk) 22:23, 27 March 2015 (UTC)


 * Can't I start a naughtily suggestive thread without it being hijacked by you two lunatics? EEng (talk) 22:41, 27 March 2015 (UTC)
 * Very unlikely. Martinevans123 (talk) 22:44, 27 March 2015 (UTC)
 * Very unlikely. Hafspajen (talk) 19:36, 28 March 2015 (UTC)


 * May I join? See the invisible (pictured)? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:57, 1 April 2015 (UTC)
 * But of course, Gerda, you have an agenda to support after all!! Martinevans123 (talk) 22:39, 1 April 2015 (UTC)
 * Yes, too many former editors are invisible, like the one who started the bird, and the one who wrote inflammatory letters. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 23:38, 1 April 2015 (UTC)

Please comment
Articles for deletion/Internet Hafspajen (talk) 02:04, 1 April 2015 (UTC)


 * As if I'd ever be taken in by this "old chestnut", Hafs .... D'oh!! Martinevans123 (talk) 11:02, 1 April 2015 (UTC)
 * Oh, Really? What were you doing on my page then? --Hafspajen (talk) 20:20, 1 April 2015 (UTC)

Baking shop in Scottsdale
Hi. See my last note on the revision. Doesn't belong in the same list of major corporations. It's a small baking shop. You could put it at the beginning of the Culture section, mentioning it in the same way as the MTV episode is mentioned. Where you currently put it is WP:UNDUE. Onel5969 (talk) 13:23, 1 April 2015 (UTC)
 * Fine. Deleting something wholesale, because it's deemed to be "non-notable", is not quite the same as simply re-locating it because it's WP:UNDUE. Does everything else in that sectiom have a supporting source? Martinevans123 (talk) 13:29, 1 April 2015 (UTC)
 * Deleting something because it's non-notable is perfectly acceptable. And where you were inserting it, it was clearly not notable.  In it's current location, you could add a citation, but since their is a wikilink to the article, which clearly shows it was a tv episode, you might not even need a citation. Onel5969 (talk) 13:48, 1 April 2015 (UTC)
 * Your edit summary told me categorically that it was non-notable and unsourced. Might have been easier to just put it in the right place? Thanks. Martinevans123 (talk) 13:51, 1 April 2015 (UTC)
 * Yes, it would have been easier for you to put it in the right place. I don't think it belongs in the article at all. I think references like that (in this and other articles) make the subject seem less important.  By putting trivial stuff in articles, it makes the subject seem desperate to be noticed, which in my opinion, this article does not need. Take it easy. Onel5969 (talk) 13:59, 1 April 2015 (UTC)
 * Ah, right. Teaching me a lesson. I can assure you that I would never have heard of Scottsdale if it had not been for dear Gordon Ramsay. Now I wish I hadn't. Martinevans123 (talk) 14:04, 1 April 2015 (UTC)

PLEASE COMMENT
Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Wikipedia (7th nomination)... Hafspajen (talk) 22:25, 1 April 2015 (UTC)
 * What, only the 7th?? I'll sit this one out, I think. Martinevans123 (talk) 22:37, 1 April 2015 (UTC)

All the fun of the fair
Thank you for your 'subtle' thanks to me. I like to think I have a long tether, but some days it does get stretched beyond reality. Cheers and regards,

Derek R Bullamore (talk) 16:53, 2 April 2015 (UTC)
 * I'm sure I would have responded in the same, or possible more "colourful", way. Now run along and be a little more careful with your use of capital letters, would you? Thanks, so much. Martinevans123 (talk) 16:56, 2 April 2015 (UTC)

Bloody 'earl !
Yes, it is a bit perplexing, isn't it? This little piece provides an explanation. I blame all that inbreeding - very difficult for us lesser mortals to get to grips with.... PaleCloudedWhite (talk) 23:08, 2 April 2015 (UTC)
 * Speak for yourself, Bonzo! ...woof. But thanks. Martinevans123 (talk) 23:11, 2 April 2015 (UTC) ... those poor toffs, they must feel so sequestered...
 * Yes, having to mix it with the hoi polloi... PaleCloudedWhite (talk) 23:35, 2 April 2015 (UTC)

Are you hot and sticky, mentally fagged?
Then try. No, wait... I meant. EEng (talk) 00:37, 4 April 2015 (UTC)

That dilator thing is really catching on...
I misread this: Anal Women's Training Center and Moroccan Restaurant. I thought, "Wha-at???" EEng (talk) 22:05, 4 April 2015 (UTC)


 * EEng, we all worry about you... alone for so long in that huge library... with only a skull and iron bar for company.... Martinevans123 (talk) 22:13, 4 April 2015 (UTC)
 * We shouldn't let him read this... Thank you ma'am. Robevans123 (talk) 22:48, 4 April 2015 (UTC)
 * OK, who the hell is Robevans123??? EEng (talk) 23:29, 4 April 2015 (UTC)
 * Robevans is in Norway. Hafspajen (talk) 14:32, 5 April 2015 (UTC)
 * Seems a little harsh. Martinevans123 (talk) 15:18, 5 April 2015 (UTC)
 * Postal cod ... 7517 ? Hafspajen (talk) 18:37, 5 April 2015 (UTC)
 * Postal cod??? EEng (talk) 18:12, 6 April 2015 (UTC)
 * Rock Lobster, maybe?

....................Postal code..............not sacred cod and whatnot.Hafspajen (talk) 04:07, 7 April 2015 (UTC)


 * Then there's always the Spanish word for "year" for those of us without a tilded n on our keyboards and who can't be arsed to type unicode. Works well when asking someone how old they are in Spanish. Softlavender (talk) 04:12, 7 April 2015 (UTC)

In other news
One of ME's easter-eggs above reminded me of an ambition I've had for some time: to bring Hell, Norway to GA, thus qualifying it for DYK. The mind boggles at the orgy of potential hooks e.g. "Temperatures in Hell can reach −25 °C (−13 °F) during winter", "There are just over 1300 people in Hell", "The road to Hell is paved with...", "There are frequent daily tours of Hell", "Miss Universe 1990 was from Hell", that kind of thing. Who wants to help? EEng (talk) 04:36, 7 April 2015 (UTC)
 * OK; we try. More people can go to hell, I knew one personally, who is dead now. Hope this can be the way. Though, my skills are on the illustrative side. Hafspajen (talk) 12:10, 7 April 2015 (UTC)

Happy Easter

 * Easter. The grave clothes of winter
 * are still here, but the sepulchre
 * is empty. A messenger
 * from the tomb tells us
 * how a stone has been rolled
 * from the mind, and a tree lightens
 * the darkness with its blossom.
 * There are travellers upon the road
 * who have heard music blown
 * from a bare bough, and a child
 * tells us how the accident
 * of last year, a machine stranded
 * beside the way for lack
 * of petrol, is crowned with flowers.
 * "Resurrection" by R. S. Thomas.


 * Nice. Did you see resurrection on my talk? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:40, 11 April 2015 (UTC)


 * I did. Martinevans123 (talk) 22:44, 11 April 2015 (UTC)

Control gradient
I am curious about this statement, simply because I haven't heard that phrase before in reference to airliner accidents: "I think there may be a 'control gradient' in the final moments of an aircraft crash."

If you can spare the time, I would greatly appreciate your explaining what that sentence means. Thanks, EditorASC (talk) 01:19, 6 April 2015 (UTC)


 * It's simply the idea that the aircraft is not wholly "under control" until the moment it's "out of control". Rather that the pilot's inputs are still having an effect, but are having less and less of an effect, until there is catastrophic failure (or collision). It's a bit simplistic, I'm afraid. And in the era of fly-by-wire, this may be rather brief and may not be easy to see. If the aircraft is aerodynamically unstable, it may be very brief indeed. That's all. Martinevans123 (talk) 08:51, 6 April 2015 (UTC)


 * Thanks much for the prompt reply. Now that I understand what you meant, my next question (again, if you can spare the time -- if not, then I won't be offended if you do not reply further) is if you are aware of any official accident report, or other documents from the FAA, or equivalent regulatory authorities, that discuss that "control gradient" concept.  It would be an important report to add to my library, if I can find it.  EditorASC (talk) 18:09, 6 April 2015 (UTC)


 * P.S. As to an airliner being "aerodynamically unstable," right now I can think of only two: The MD-11 and the B-727 at higher altitudes (dutch roll problem). If you know of others, I would appreciate that kind of info too. Cheers.


 * Apologies, I've never seen it in any official accident report. I think I got it from the work of Sidney Dekker or his colleagues. Of it might have been Frank Hawkins or someone like that. And of course airliners are pretty aerodynamically stable, aren't they, unlike those much faster planes that typically carry things that go whoosh and bang. Martinevans123 (talk) 19:47, 6 April 2015 (UTC)

LOL! Well thanks for your help. I'll give it a go with those names combined with human factors research. I might find some real interesting stuff, enjoying the search in the process, because human factors in the airline industry has been a subject I have been deeply interested in for many years. Cheers. EditorASC (talk) 22:19, 6 April 2015 (UTC)

Dear Marty
Here is a challenge for you. Hafspajen (talk) 14:42, 11 April 2015 (UTC)

Welcome, new editor! EEng (talk) 00:19, 15 April 2015 (UTC)


 * Yes, that should do the trick. And I'm sure your efforts over gender equality won't go "amiss". Martinevans123 (talk)
 * You're one of the few whose comment actually make me LOL. EEng (talk) 12:55, 15 April 2015 (UTC)
 * That is very gratifying and, of course, all I ever aim for. I wish more editors had a sense of homour like yours (or even a just sense of humour at all.) I guess if one's ego gets so big, there's simply no room for one. I've been enjoying your image gallery lately. Some real gems there. Martinevans123 (talk) 13:38, 15 April 2015 (UTC) p.s. I would certainly never claim to have "diverged from chimps."
 * Keep wishing . EEng (talk) 22:59, 16 April 2015 (UTC)
 * Ah yes, I must have missed all those "tell-tale signs of someone trying to use constructions and language that he doesn't really understand." Probably because I didn't understand them. Martinevans123 (talk) 07:13, 17 April 2015 (UTC)
 * Well, someone's missing something.
 * Aghast! "Not ending a sentence with a preposition is a bit of arrant pedantry up with which I will not put!" Martinevans123 (talk) 21:23, 17 April 2015 (UTC)
 * Said the boy (tired of the same bedtime stories about Australia all the time) to his father: "What did you bring that book, which I do not wish to be read to from about Down Under, up for?" EEng (talk) 22:26, 17 April 2015 (UTC)
 * ... onuppan the bed, maybe?? Martinevans123 (talk) 22:32, 17 April 2015 (UTC)
 * I think of my user page as being for the select few. BTW, it never occurred to me that "they" would actually let this stay, but it has. EEng (talk) 15:42, 15 April 2015 (UTC)
 * It never occurred to me that "they" would actually let this stay, but it has. (Still in the Maria Radner context, as Jeannette Zarou) - Not so Beethoven, see? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:32, 17 April 2015 (UTC)
 * "Träume" in a box?! whatever next! Martinevans123 (talk) 21:37, 17 April 2015 (UTC)
 * Dämmergrau - miss Hafspajen who suggested the image and countless others --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:56, 17 April 2015 (UTC)
 * Yes, a beautiful choice. He opened this thread.Hope he comes back when he's ready. Martinevans123 (talk) 22:02, 17 April 2015 (UTC)
 * my choice of the options under Traum... including your moorish, and don't miss the lead image and the cat, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:41, 17 April 2015 (UTC)
 * Mine probably too Wessex or Heathcliff. Martinevans123 (talk) 22:43, 17 April 2015 (UTC)

Seriously
Can you read the sources here and tell me if I'm off base? WP:Articles for deletion/M. William Phelps EEng (talk) 22:30, 17 April 2015 (UTC)
 * Well I'll try, but can't promise. Martinevans123 (talk) 22:35, 17 April 2015 (UTC) p.s. "naïve" is spelt with a diaresis ... as my old friend User:DireCriticMark will tell you...

I know who you remind me of...
I've just figured out who you remind me of, with your quirky and funny sense of humour: Paul Merton, from Have I Got News for You. Please stick (and keep your jokes around too), you're one of my favourite editors. Thank you! 1Potato2Potato3Potato4 (talk) 16:50, 18 April 2015 (UTC)
 * Haha, lol. And you have one of the most inspiring user names I have ever seen! But thanks so much. I was listening to Paul on the radio only this morning. He's a witty guy. Martinevans123 (talk) 17:16, 18 April 2015 (UTC)
 * I loved how he tried to defuse Hislop and Prescott on HIGNfY yesterday, but I find your humour so similar! All the best, 1Potato2Potato3Potato4 (talk) 17:19, 18 April 2015 (UTC)
 * I find Wikipedia is full of Hislops and Prescotts! Martinevans123 (talk) 17:48, 18 April 2015 (UTC)
 * Haha! Is Hislop related at all? 1Potato2Potato3Potato4 (talk) 17:51, 18 April 2015 (UTC)
 * Not in the slightest, as far as I know. But one could easily imagine he is, I think. Martinevans123 (talk) 17:55, 18 April 2015 (UTC)

Soldier at a Game of Chess
Hello Martinevans123, I just thought I would let you know that I've nominated Soldier at a Game of Chess for DYK. Let me know what you think of the hook, if you have the time. Thanks in advance. :-) Coldcreation (talk) 15:08, 21 April 2015 (UTC)
 * Ok, many thanks. I'll have a look. Martinevans123 (talk) 15:11, 21 April 2015 (UTC)
 * I'd probably be tempted to put "while he was mobilized during WWI...". And of course the hook begs the question of having an article on Crystal Cubism itself!. All in good time, I guess. Martinevans123 (talk) 15:16, 21 April 2015 (UTC)
 * Perhaps some editors might object that the hook is too strong, as the article says only: "It has been suggested that this work was painted during his mobilization, or shortly thereafter." Martinevans123 (talk) 15:26, 21 April 2015 (UTC)
 * Excellent points. I'll see what I can do. Thanks. Coldcreation (talk) 19:48, 21 April 2015 (UTC)
 * It's a wonderful article and I can see you've put a lot of work into it. Very well done. Martinevans123 (talk) 19:52, 21 April 2015 (UTC)

Accidental rollback
I'm sorry, I just accidentally used the rollback function on one of your comments at ITN/C. Please accept my sincere apologies. AtHomeIn神戸 (talk) 15:21, 21 April 2015 (UTC)
 * I'm actually quite grateful, as you prompted me to correct my spelling. Thanks for the note. Martinevans123 (talk) 15:22, 21 April 2015 (UTC) ... it's a shame that the "Notification" flag could not self-cancel if it saw that a revert had been reverted!

Request for mediation rejected

 * Thanks for telling me. If only I knew what it was about. Martinevans123 (talk) 16:54, 21 April 2015 (UTC)

Edit warring
What you are doing on Talk:April 2015 Mediterranean Sea migrant shipwrecks is an edit war. While I agree that your reverts on the article proper were justified, there is no reason to revert the talk page comment, and certainly no reason to do it repeatedly. Just refute what he says and be done with it. --ThaddeusB (talk) 21:03, 21 April 2015 (UTC)
 * The "contributor" you are defending is a vandal and has now been blocked. So you may have to wait a while to get a reply at the Talk Page. I don't particularly enjoy being called a "fucker", even in Italian. Martinevans123 (talk) 21:15, 21 April 2015 (UTC) ... care to translate this quaint edit summary "hai rotto i coglioni brutto stronzo". Hmmm.
 * Gosh, you have a response almost immediately! Whatever can that mean? Martinevans123 (talk) 21:19, 21 April 2015 (UTC)


 * Um, I didn't defend anyone. Take a step back and relax - his crappy behaviour does not justify repeatedly removing his talk page comment.  Just explain the way things work on Wikipedia and move on. Simple.  Edit warring accomplishes nothing. --ThaddeusB (talk) 21:24, 21 April 2015 (UTC)


 * Ah yes, simple. And you want me to "move on", yeah? I think that multiple sock should have been blocked after his third edit. But what do I know. Did you enjoy the translation? Martinevans123 (talk) 21:29, 21 April 2015 (UTC)
 * First of all, it's a dynamic IP, which is rather different than intentional sock puppetry. Second, of course he deserved to be blocked. Finally, you are free to ignore my advice all you want.  I am just saying you accomplish nothing by working yourself up about what some idiot on the internet wrote, and you accomplish nothing by repeatedly reverting him, especially on a talk page.  You'll save yourself a lot of stress by reverting a couple time, requesting a block or page protection if that doesn't work, and then moving on. --ThaddeusB (talk) 21:39, 21 April 2015 (UTC)
 * Shucks, and I thought it was my Talk Page. I didn't see anyone else keen to revert what I thought was mindless persistent vandalism (partly in Italian). But who's "worked up"? I just don't particularly want comments like "Hai rotto il cazzo loro erano e sono clandestini non sono migranti" at the top of my Talk Page. But thanks for your concern. Martinevans123 (talk)
 * I was referring to the reasonable comment (minus the edit summaries) left at article talk page, not anything on your talk page. --ThaddeusB (talk) 21:57, 21 April 2015 (UTC)
 * Ah yes, all so simple. Not connected in any way. Martinevans123 (talk) 21:58, 21 April 2015 (UTC) Why not give me warning and haul me off to WP:AN/I while you're at it?


 * You quite clearly violated 3RR. The IP insulting you on your talk page does not give you the liberty to repeatedly revert an attempt to express his opinion about article content at the article talk page.  If I wanted to block you, I wouldn't need to take it to ANI, but go on thinking I was unreasonable for even daring to point out your obvious policy violation if you like.  --ThaddeusB (talk) 01:27, 22 April 2015 (UTC)
 * Too kind. So that was all good content added to the article as well, was it? And of course not "intentional sockpuppetting", just a nasty coincidence caused by a dynamic ip. Perhaps you'd prefer me just to retire? -- Ever yours, Disgusted of Monza and Brianza (talk) 08:46, 22 April 2015 (UTC)


 * Only in Martin's LSD world do personal attacks arrive in Italian. EEng (talk) 23:26, 21 April 2015 (UTC)
 * While one might argue that being serious on Martin's page is an exercise in futility, if an IP were to arrive in a conversation I was involved in and make obscene comments about my parentage, my scatological habits and alleged claims of masturbatory behaviour, I would think "well it takes one to know one", laugh, and ignore it. Works every time. <b style="color:#7F007F">Ritchie333</b> <sup style="color:#7F007F">(talk) <sup style="color:#7F007F">(cont)  11:45, 22 April 2015 (UTC)
 * , the first edit that the Italian blocked IP editor made to the migrant ships article was this one, in which they wrote, "the motherfucker rotto in culo Matteo Renzi said "F**k y'all italian, i don't give a f**k of y'alls". Subsequent edits - all of which were reverted by Martin - were similar, reinstating lines that included "if they want to migrate in my f**kin' country they must enter legally", with edit summaries such as "don't touch my shit" and "you are a fucker" directed towards Martin. It would be peculiar for any editor to conclude anything other than that this is a vandal who will be blocked, and as I understand it, all contributions by blocked editors can be removed, so it doesn't seem to me that Martin has done anything against policy. However even if you believe that, strictly and technically speaking, Martin has broken some rule, it seems to me that for him to do so in this context is wholly reasonable, whereas for you to come to his talkpage to lecture him seems rather unreasonable, not to mention unfeeling. Did you think to thank him for trying to keep the article clean of all that "fuckers" etc.? Or would you have preferred he went through the lengthier processes of page protection etc., and let the "fuckers" etc. remain? I suggest that rather than picking on valued and productive editors like Martin, you instead concentrate on just blocking the vandals. Comments such as "If I wanted to block you, I wouldn't need to take it to ANI" are crass and belittling; if that's the kind of 'reward' Martin gets for tackling vandals, I'm not surprised that he has removed himself from the project (hopefully only temporarily). PaleCloudedWhite (talk) 12:29, 22 April 2015 (UTC)
 * Besides, if anyone's going to block Martin, they need to get in the orderly queue, right behind me. The Rambling Man (talk) 12:34, 22 April 2015 (UTC)
 * No, me first. EEng (talk) 12:50, 22 April 2015 (UTC)
 * Look, nobody is to block anyone until I blow this whistle! Even, and I want to make this absolutely clear, even if they do say "Jimbo"! <b style="color:#7F007F">Ritchie333</b> <sup style="color:#7F007F">(talk) <sup style="color:#7F007F">(cont)  13:50, 22 April 2015 (UTC)
 * "There's always one, isn't there!" Martinevans123 (talk) 18:42, 22 April 2015 (UTC)


 * Martin's wikibreak notice refers to vandals but he's being too gentle. The real reason we may lose this valuable contributor is another high-handed lecture from an admin more concerned with form than substance. Good going. EEng (talk) 13:02, 22 April 2015 (UTC)
 * Alright, shall I jump in? I just had coffee and a piece of chocolate cake so I'm ready for anything. All of you are right, though some are maybe less wrong than others. I agree with Thaddeus's comment ("let it go"--and let the admins handle it), while I understand Martin's response perfectly. I read Thaddeus's comment not as a warning but as advice; it seems obvious to me, though, that the spirit in which the comment was intended was not the spirit in which it was received, and that's understandable considering what Martin was called by the Italian IP. As an admin, I have to say that the many reverts weren't a good choice, since the content itself wasn't so bad, even if the edit summaries were unacceptable--which points at blocking, yes, as Thaddeus says, but doesn't necessitate reverting, since the edit summaries aren't "on" the talk page, so to speak. So sure, it was a violation of policy, technically, and I would have let it slide just like Thaddeus did, and I would probably have left a similar note as well, though I think it's always a good idea to include a beer or a piece of chocolate-covered bacon with such a note. (This sentence is not a run-on.) I hope Martin will come back soon, that the anger will subside, and that both editors understand they're the good guys. And let's not lose track of what really matters. None of us are drowned, and none of us (I suppose, I hope) had to flee our homes in the way these folks did, for the reasons that they did. Our job at Wikipedia is to report the facts, all the facts, and do it properly. Can I sidetrack? A few years ago I had the good fortune to attend a reading by James Zwerg (look him up for context), who was asked if he saw progress since the Civil Rights movement. He was quite adamant that it was ongoing and focused on "illegal immigration" immediately, saying emphatically, "there are no illegal immigrants" (a statement no doubt inspired by his own life, his particular brand of Christianity, and his blatant disregard for bureaucratic, political language that denies basic human rights and decency: a higher law). Martin, we could use your help. Thanks, Drmies (talk) 14:52, 22 April 2015 (UTC)
 * My comment was indeed intended as advice, not a warning, and I only responded further to clarify. Obviously I failed... Like everyone else, I hope Martin returns after he has a chance to cool off.  However, I think some of you are completely missing my point here.  When established editors are treated with immunity to the point where someone even commenting on their policy violations is viewed with contempt, then there is something wrong with Wikipedia.  When edits like  are reverted because of the editor's article edits, that is quite clearly not proper.  Yes, the article edits were bad, but taking it to the talk page is exactly what someone is supposed to do.  Only after Martin chose to remove the (legitimate) talk page comment did the insults here & at the article talk page start.  If he had just responded to the comment instead of deleting it (or ignored it if he didn't want to respond), things probably would have never escalated as far as they did. --ThaddeusB (talk) 16:36, 22 April 2015 (UTC)
 * "The troll here are you. I'm not a xenophobic or racist, so someone ban this troll." Some might see that as a little inappropriate for a talk page discussion? But it seems you don't, as you've not challenged it in any way. Perhaps because it's not grammatically correct? And of course, it's still unclear if that was all one person, enjoying their personal journey of abuse and disruption, or several different persons all located in Milan. I guess we'll never know. But I'm just off to the shops for some early lo shopping di Natale. Martinevans123 (talk) 18:00, 22 April 2015 (UTC)


 * Obviously I can't link to this, since that would be a copyvio, wouldn't it? That's two fucking heroes, right there, of the kind that seems to be in short supply. Drmies (talk) 14:55, 22 April 2015 (UTC)


 * People need to remember that Martin is a delicate thing. -- Softlavender (talk) 09:35, 23 April 2015 (UTC)
 * It's so nice to be remembered. But I'm more of a mushy peas man myself. Martinevans123 (talk) 11:28, 23 April 2015 (UTC)

DYK for In the Land of Grey and Pink
— Crisco 1492 (talk) 05:31, 22 April 2015 (UTC)


 * A good one, thank you. SG? Emma Ayres, Bratschistin und spätere Hör­funk­modera­torin, radelte allein von England nach Hongkong. (German Main page today and tomorrow), translated in memory of GFHandel, who - as a consequence of a certain discussion on Bach - phrased a little more explicitly what you compared to the freezing of hell. (DYK that another editor said "would be a cold day in hell" about arbcom apologizing to a victim?) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:22, 22 April 2015 (UTC)
 * Yes, I'm thinking of "doing an Eric" and not editing on any day of the week that ends in a "y". Martinevans123 (talk) 18:04, 22 April 2015 (UTC)


 * This video seems appropriate. <b style="color:#7F007F">Ritchie333</b> <sup style="color:#7F007F">(talk) <sup style="color:#7F007F">(cont)  11:40, 22 April 2015 (UTC)
 * "Do you mind?? I am smoking a fag!!"  Martinevans123 (talk) 18:10, 22 April 2015 (UTC)
 * DYK ... that a church's 1510 spiral of justice (pictured) declares: "Justice suffered in great need. Truth is slain dead. Faith has lost the battle"? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:49, 23 April 2015 (UTC)

File:In the Land of Grey and Pink.ogg
You've marked this file as free with the rationale "the copyright holder has granted permission for this image to be used in Wikipedia". Unless you can prove that Decca / Universal really have submitted an OTRS ticket for the sample, this is not the case. See File:Firth of Fifth.ogg for an acceptable fair use rationale. <b style="color:#7F007F">Ritchie333</b> <sup style="color:#7F007F">(talk) <sup style="color:#7F007F">(cont)  10:31, 24 April 2015 (UTC)
 * Thanks. I should probably be blocked for such a transgression. I had thought the wizard always added a fair use rationale (and I'm not sure why it doesn't.) Can anyone add that or only the uploader? Martinevans123 (talk) 10:43, 24 April 2015 (UTC)
 * Anyone can edit the file and put a valid FUR in. I don't know why the wizard doesn't do that. File copyrights are probably the most confusing thing on Wikipedia and the easiest way to bite newbies, as anything that doesn't comply with copyrights has to be nuked ASAP, no questions asked. <b style="color:#7F007F">Ritchie333</b> <sup style="color:#7F007F">(talk) <sup style="color:#7F007F">(cont)  10:59, 24 April 2015 (UTC)
 * Oh dear. I think I may need revisit all of my audio sample uploads in the near future.... I've reverted it from the article for now - you might wish to tweak it a bit and re-add it, if you think it's good enough. I must say your description for the "Firth of Fifth" sample looks like a Masters thesis compared with my hasty back-of-fag-packet scrawl. As per my edit summary, I'd be happy to construct any alternate/others from Land of Grey and Pink, if you have strong suggestions. Martinevans123 (talk) 11:10, 24 April 2015 (UTC)
 * I should be able to cobble something together for a sample of "Nigel Blows A Tune" from "Nine Feet Underground" showing the Hammond going at full blast. Oh, a while back I mentioned I had a gig that had a Hammond at the venue ... turns it out it was a C-3 with a Leslie 147 (?) and at times it sounded just like David Sinclair's solos. Uncanny. Somebody had a camera so hopefully pictures will leak out. <b style="color:#7F007F">Ritchie333</b> <sup style="color:#7F007F">(talk) <sup style="color:#7F007F">(cont)  11:18, 24 April 2015 (UTC)
 * Yes, I'm sure we'll all be eagerly thumbing through copies of Hello! and Harper's Bazaar, while we're down at the salon, hoping for a glimpse, dearie. Meanwhile I'd appreciate any corrections you could make to the ogg file, to show me clearly where I am going wrong. I always try and target tracks that are at least 5 minutes long, as anything less than a 30-second sample always seems a bit futile. Martinevans123 (talk) 12:09, 24 April 2015 (UTC)
 * Ritchie, I popped over to Wikipedia talk:Non-free use rationale guideline and have tweaked the upload. Maybe it could go back in the article now? Martinevans123 (talk) 08:35, 27 April 2015 (UTC)
 * The FUR is okay now, but personally I think you might be better off with a composite of the track - 10 seconds of Richard's singing with acoustic, cross-faded into the start of a stereotypical David Hammond solo. I'm afraid my Mac has died so I've lost all my mp3s, so I'll have to work out where exactly the CDs are buried, so that might be an easier task for you to do as things currently stand. <b style="color:#7F007F">Ritchie333</b> <sup style="color:#7F007F">(talk) <sup style="color:#7F007F">(cont)  11:53, 27 April 2015 (UTC)
 * Goodness me, that sounds like a bit of a complicated game! I'd be happy to upload another - just give me the track and the times. Is there a limit on the number of samples one should add for a single album article? Martinevans123 (talk) 12:12, 27 April 2015 (UTC)
 * There's no hard limit, but for an album like this you're probably better off with one. Always remember that non-free content is against one of the principles of Wikipedia so using it is very much a privilege, and if people think the audio can be represented equally well as text, that'll take priority. <b style="color:#7F007F">Ritchie333</b> <sup style="color:#7F007F">(talk) <sup style="color:#7F007F">(cont)  12:29, 27 April 2015 (UTC)
 * Personally, I've never understood how music can be equally represented by text as by audio. Even 30 seconds is usually a severe challenge to me. Oh well, at least we've got a basic sample for now, at least until you find your CDs! Martinevans123 (talk) 12:38, 27 April 2015 (UTC)

Top Gear RfC
You recently participated in a discussion at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Television/Archive 20. Subsequent to this discussion, an RfC has been opened at Talk:Top Gear (2002 TV series), in which you may be interested in participating. -- Aussie Legend  ( ✉ ) 14:41, 26 April 2015 (UTC)
 * Have added a "vote". Martinevans123 (talk) 15:25, 26 April 2015 (UTC)
 * (Now where on earth could the BBC find a young daredevil, a beer-drinking racist and another Captain Slow, all with a bit of time on their hands??) Martinevans123 (talk) 11:14, 11 May 2015 (UTC)

Q.
Where is Tryptofish these days?  Occult Zone  (Talk • Contributions • Log) 18:47, 27 April 2015 (UTC)
 * I really don't know. Now you mention it, I've not seen him for quite a while. I hope all is well. Martinevans123 (talk) 18:59, 27 April 2015 (UTC)
 * Just wanted to appreciate his efforts, including yours and the way you both looked EEng after. You may want to read WP:ARC, I have mentioned both incidents of his first 2 blocks. We might have solved a lot of problems if we had taken some serious action then. Still never too late.  Occult Zone  (Talk • Contributions • Log) 23:20, 27 April 2015 (UTC)
 * Martin, have you forgotten? EEng (talk) 00:06, 28 April 2015 (UTC)
 * I do hope he's ok and that he will be back soon. He should take as long he needs, of course. Martinevans123 (talk) 07:31, 28 April 2015 (UTC)

Rode Hall, Mow Cop
The source I used gave 1812, but you're right, the Mow Cop Castle and Primitive Methodism articles both give 1807. Both seem to be cited using more authoritative sources, so I'll update it to 1807 and change the source. Sotakeit (talk) 09:31, 29 April 2015 (UTC)
 * Many thanks. I'm intrigued as to where they got the year 1812. Martinevans123 (talk) 09:39, 29 April 2015 (UTC)

Sacks
Doing it this way is still copyvio, since the sentence structure (with a minor quote) was exact ... the author needs his own article anyway, so I shortened the whole thing. We don't need that much detail on Hayes in Sacks' article. Bst, Sandy Georgia (Talk) 12:39, 4 May 2015 (UTC)
 * Poor old Ollie, eh? He waits 75 years before he "allows himself to fall in love" and then even that subtlety is swept away here in the cause of avoiding copyvio. I'd never have thought I'd be giving credit to Vanity Fair for the delicacy of their writing, but your ruthlessly efficient tidy-up has proved me wrong. I'd agree we wouldn't want so much detail about Hayes, if he had an article. But he doesn't. And until he does, I would have thought a mere 12 words would be at least instructive. Still, I guess if the article is, as you say, "still dreadful", then no-one will really notice. Not least poor Oliver. Martinevans123 (talk) 18:40, 4 May 2015 (UTC)
 * The Vanity Fair article gave the fellow a sentence. And didn't even tell us where that relationship ended, so to me, the whole thing is undue sensationalism, until/unless someone reads the book and figures out if there is more worth saying. If someone cares that much, they could write his article! Vanity Fair writes a whole article on Sacks, but Wikipedia-- true to form-- cherrypicks one sensational tidbit.  Sandy Georgia  (Talk) 20:08, 4 May 2015 (UTC)
 * I'm not sure it's "sensational". I found it rather touching. But maybe that was the best bit. I guess we'll see. Martinevans123 (talk) 20:33, 4 May 2015 (UTC)
 * Maybe you are interested in getting the book? I don't like the "teaser" aspect of the writeup-- it may get you to buy the book, and that's what that edit did :)  Sandy Georgia  (Talk) 20:57, 4 May 2015 (UTC)
 * Haha, now I understand! A tasty little bit of (very subtle) Vanity Fair Knopf promo work, eh? You lucky thing, I'm very envious. I would get the book, but I'm too busy reading up about Jeremy Vine's basketball career break. But feel free to send me one of your free copies. B. Twaddle123 (talk) 21:02, 4 May 2015 (UTC)
 * Seriously! Glad you see it now.  They hint at a relationship, but tell us nothing ... was there even a relationship?  Or just an infatuation?  Does this guy even belong in Sacks' article?  For that matter, is it a BLP vio?  We have to buy the book to found out!  Only on Wikipedia ... so better for someone who cares to write an article on the fellow.  (That would not be me :)  Bst, Sandy Georgia  (Talk) 21:07, 4 May 2015 (UTC)
 * Ah, you never know... maybe VF will do a feature on Billy Hayes and you'll be tempted to buy his autobiography. I'm sure there's a lot more material in that Sacks article that could be used to expand the article, without the need to buy the book at all. Martinevans123 (talk) 21:31, 4 May 2015 (UTC)

Is it ego?
Hi Martinevans123, what is the reason you resist my attempt to simplify and combine your edit into the previous paragraph? As you can imagine, new information has appeared dozens of times for this event. Every time it does, we haven't been adding it to the article into a new paragraph with the date, that would be too laborious to read. (I am not new to this article; I have been one of the primary editors of this article from the beginning.) Prhartcom (talk) 13:04, 6 May 2015 (UTC)
 * Whose ego are we discussing here? Lubitz's? I must be "new to the article", or perhaps not "one of the primary editors"? Martinevans123 (talk) 13:12, 6 May 2015 (UTC)
 * This is obviously a typo; what Prhartcom patently meant to ask was "Is it lego?" PaleCloudedWhite (talk) 16:40, 6 May 2015 (UTC)
 * Speaking of Legos . EEng (talk) 18:58, 11 May 2015 (UTC)
 * Wow, chilling. Guess we don't need that article after all, then. Martinevans123 (talk) 19:01, 11 May 2015 (UTC)
 * I think it's delightful. What article? EEng (talk) 20:16, 11 May 2015 (UTC)
 * Just some very dodgy piece of fancrufted-synthetic-blog-rambling I stumbled across the other day. Don't worry about it - it's bound to get RfD-ed! Martinevans123 (talk) 20:31, 11 May 2015 (UTC) ... but I agree, a great video and very inventive lyric!
 * Hahahahahaha. Thanks so much. A very plausible alternative explanation of course, although I couldn't say definitively that the guy in the toilet was actually the captain. Martinevans123 (talk) 17:21, 6 May 2015 (UTC) But, wow - you get so much legroom and such a generous aisle width! Is that club class or business, I wonder? Almost as tempting as those foxy Air Dorises
 * I could probably taste the sarcasm. Alakzi (talk) 17:58, 6 May 2015 (UTC)
 * It's always so much less stressful to be told what to think, I find. Martinevans123 (talk) 18:12, 6 May 2015 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

 * Thanks so much. Ah, I love UK General Elections, don't you? They always seem to bring out the best in people. Martinevans123 (talk) 19:29, 6 May 2015 (UTC) (... hoping you might find audio Python more acceptable.)
 * It's the loonies who stand as independents who I like. When I was a kid living in a small village in Essex, there was a woman who walked her pet duck every morning around the roads. She lived off the land and made nettle soup, wild berry pie and, on the odd occasion, ate fresh(ish) road kill as a treat. She ended up standing for the Greens where she just dipped the majority vote.  I still think the votes she received were people taking the piss out of her without her actually knowing it.  Also, it's good to see a certain, recent editor who cropped up at the Moors Murder talk page, turn up after 35 seconds and offer his opinion on Farage.  We suspected it all along of course.   Cassianto <sup style="font-family:Papyrus;">Talk   19:49, 6 May 2015 (UTC)
 * Elections can be such fun. Martinevans123 (talk) 20:15, 6 May 2015 (UTC) ... don't worry about him he's probably just a "shy kipper."

Brandy
Better translation in the circumstances, I agree. But if you haven't yet encountered marc, sip with caution … great caution. Awien (talk) 18:18, 8 May 2015 (UTC)
 * Haha, yes. I unwittingly tried it in Paris once, a very long time ago. But it could have been worse. Martinevans123 (talk) 18:31, 8 May 2015 (UTC)

CC
It happens that you can't be online when your article appears, see? CC edited this morning. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:33, 8 May 2015 (UTC)
 * At least you weren't judging a ferret show! Martinevans123 (talk) 21:49, 8 May 2015 (UTC)


 * Talking about ballet: not without irony that now "my Romeo" is in DYK position 1, matching the dancer on my talk (great woman, RIP). Found an excellent image of him today, look for Cranko Era. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:57, 8 May 2015 (UTC)

57th general election?
I'm counting 55 here. Alakzi (talk) 21:25, 10 May 2015 (UTC)
 * So we need to change United Kingdom general election, 2015, and some or all of the previous ones? Martinevans123 (talk) 21:29, 10 May 2015 (UTC)
 * Just the 2015 one by the look of it. Referring to UK elections by their number appears to be rather unique to Wikipedia; we probably shouldn't be doing it. Alakzi (talk) 21:44, 10 May 2015 (UTC)
 * I think it's well weird. But I guess it still needs to be correct weirdness. Martinevans123 (talk) 21:50, 10 May 2015 (UTC)
 * hahaha, first time listening to that - happily, it's reminded me of this gem: "I wrote 'I know you want it' ... I can tell you what that is ... food". Anyway, should we move the article back? A RM is running on the talk page. Alakzi (talk) 22:34, 10 May 2015 (UTC)
 * lol, u gotta love Krishnan Guru-Murthy - "he ain't cool 'cos he ain't got no hat". Pharrell's very articulate isn't he, (apart from that sheep reference, of course). If you think moving the article back makes it all fine again - by all means, go ahead. I'm stepping back from this one! Martinevans123 (talk) 22:46, 10 May 2015 (UTC)

Relax
Don't like my wording? Well then fix it to your liking. Don't like a source? Well then find ones that satisfy you. You can help out you know.  Caden  cool  22:03, 11 May 2015 (UTC)
 * I did fix it. Even if you like something, it's sometimes possible to improve it? That's how Wikipedia works, isn't it? Any my edit summary "needs better source" applied to my own addition - previously there was no source at all. On second thoughts, I've taken that link out, as copyright is not clear. Now that you're here, what else would you like to scold me for? Martinevans123 (talk) 07:40, 12 May 2015 (UTC)
 * Yes it's always possible to improve edits and yes that is how it works around this madhouse. Thanks for fixing it, it's much better than the way I wrote it, that's for sure. As for your edit summary, I read it wrong I must admit. Apologies for that.  Caden  cool  20:11, 12 May 2015 (UTC)
 * No worries. Martinevans123 (talk) 20:13, 12 May 2015 (UTC)

RAF Langham
Afternoon,

How on earth is adding " a reference/citation?

Citing sources states "A full citation fully identifies a reliable source and, where applicable, the place in that source (such as a page number) where the information in question can be found. For example: Rawls, John. A Theory of Justice. Harvard University Press, 1971, p. 1. This type of citation is usually given as a footnote, and is the most commonly used citation method in Wikipedia articles."

Also above where your "reference" is, the article says "The concrete structure has been restored and a museum has been installed" so you're just repeating something already said in the article.

Gavbadger (talk) 16:58, 17 May 2015 (UTC)


 * Do you want the reference details or not (it's easily done by a User:Dispenser/Reflinks)? You think all references have to have a page number? You think that adding sources which match the material in an article is " just repeating something already said in the article"? Martinevans123 (talk) 17:05, 17 May 2015 (UTC)


 * Saying " " is not a reference.
 * If you are trying to reference some part of the following section in the article "Langham Dome, which sits on the edge of the former base, is one of only six remaining training domes in the country and was built in 1942. Film of enemy planes was projected onto its walls for target practise. The concrete structure has been restored and a museum has been installed, following grants from English Heritage and the Heritage Lottery Fund", you need to say where you got the information from such as a book, website or anything else that is reliable like a plaque from an appropriate group/company.
 * The book reference was just an example from a Wikipedia policy. Gavbadger (talk) 17:16, 17 May 2015 (UTC)


 * Do you ever make mistakes? I've now corrected it. Martinevans123 (talk) 17:18, 17 May 2015 (UTC)

George Ewart Evans
Hi, I'm a bit puzzled that you've thrown out the image of George Ewart Evans that I've loaded with an NFUR - obviously it'll soon be deleted if we don't restore it. I think it a strong, characterful portrait of the man. Is he one of your relatives? If so, perhaps that would explain why you have marked the 'new' image as "own work" despite its also being "from an exhibition at the Museum of East Anglian Life, Stowmarket, Suffolk"? If you don't own the copyright, it'll be a candidate for speedy deletion! If it were my choice, I'd at once restore the old image; otherwise, I'd have thought an NFUR would be needed for the new one. Your thoughts? Chiswick Chap (talk) 21:12, 22 May 2015 (UTC)
 * Have self reverted. Just wishful thinking. Any family connection would count for nothing, wouldn't it. Martinevans123 (talk) 21:15, 22 May 2015 (UTC)
 * Ok, many thanks. Chiswick Chap (talk) 21:17, 22 May 2015 (UTC)
 * Unfortunate that the NFUR image is of such low quality. You'd think an unmarked image in a permanent public exhibition stand might be amenable to release into the public domain. I added "own work" as I took the photo. Perhaps it's worth formally contacting Evans' estate. The very helpful guides at Abbot's Hall did not seem too bothered. Martinevans123 (talk) 21:23, 22 May 2015 (UTC)

A Tesla Roadster for you!

 * "'ere mate, I 'ad that David Bowie Knife in the back of me cab last nite. And a bit 'ighly charged he was, an' all, I can tell ya." Armchair editor (talk) 23:33, 24 May 2015 (UTC) ... it seems you may have missed my blatant and pitiless sarcasm, alas ...
 * I caught him on messing about with that tasty Scot yesterday at 11:00am — &#124; Gareth Griffith-Jones &#124; The Welsh Buzzard&#124; — 10:01, 25 May 2015 (UTC)
 * Yes, I suggested adding that to his page, but it was suggested that he had nothing new to say. Martinevans123 (talk) 10:07, 25 May 2015 (UTC)
 * For what it's worth, I was pleasantly surprised, and enjoyed listening to him talking so easily with Kirsty Young, although I only enjoyed his first record and the Bach. — &#124; Gareth Griffith-Jones &#124; The Welsh Buzzard&#124; — 10:18, 25 May 2015 (UTC)
 * Apparently he founded a website in a fever hotter than a pepper sprout. Martinevans123 (talk) 10:24, 25 May 2015 (UTC)
 * Yeah, that is good, but I prefer the version of that song which I have on vinyl with Barton and Nancy. — &#124; Gareth Griffith-Jones &#124; The Welsh Buzzard&#124; — 10:33, 25 May 2015 (UTC)
 * I'm distraught that you found my reaction to your suggestion regarding the entry on that nice Mr Wales discouraging.  That was not my intention.   My intention was to be encouraging to you and my hope was that others would join in the discussion.   I did once add something myself to the entry on JW, and when last I looked it was still there.   Nevertheless, it (the page) seems to be on an awful lot of peoples' watchlists, which in turn invites a certain .... caution, when adding stuff.   I STILL haven't listened to the Desert Island Discs episode you commended (still haven't really recovered from the death of Roy Plomley).   Still might.   But if you yourself are even halfway serious about improving the JW Page, I'm pretty sure that there are things you could take from the Young/Wales exchange that could be added as sources for things that currently appear as unsourced assertions in the article itself.   Though worded like that, I appreciate it might feel a tad low profile.   Anyhow, please don't feel discouraged.   There are plenty of wikipedia contributors who should feel more discouraged than they do, but - in my opinion which is the only one to which I have access on the subject - you are not, and never were, one of these.   Regards Charles01 (talk) 10:33, 25 May 2015 (UTC)
 * Hello Charles, Never take Martin too seriously! — &#124; Gareth Griffith-Jones &#124; The Welsh Buzzard&#124; — 10:38, 25 May 2015 (UTC)
 * Indeed, I'm not even halfway serious about anything. But you probably need to move on, Charles. Martinevans123 (talk) 10:43, 25 May 2015 (UTC)

DYK for Wickedly Welsh Chocolate
Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 21:17, 30 May 2015 (UTC)


 * Do you eat their products with salt? Or spirit? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:52, 30 May 2015 (UTC)


 * Seaweed, of course. Martinevans123 (talk) 21:55, 30 May 2015 (UTC)
 * Washed down with a tumbler or two from this place — &#124; Gareth Griffith-Jones &#124; The Welsh Buzzard&#124; — 07:35, 31 May 2015 (UTC)

WikiProject Eurovision Invitation!
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Türkvizyon Song Contest Thanks and have a nice day!  Wes Mouse &#124; T@lk 13:16, 31 May 2015 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the invite. But I'm not a very compliant editor. Martinevans123 (talk) 13:21, 31 May 2015 (UTC)
 * Hehehe, I love the link to "puppet on a string". You cracked me up laughing so much that I wet myself crying. But if you should reconsider, as I know it can take time to think these things through. Although the project is open to complacency and I have tried to push for reform in the project in the past, so that it work to an even higher standard. But that can only be done if the project members give a little love back to the project. (Oh that was fun linking to all those songs. LOL)  Wes Mouse &#124; T@lk 13:31, 31 May 2015 (UTC)
 * Omg!! I've been well and truly out-egged. I've really dropped a clanger. Martinevans123 (talk) 13:38, 31 May 2015 (UTC)
 * One has got to admit though, that they were cleverly linked. You really have inspired me. Thank you for providing the entertaining laugh though, much appreciated.  Wes Mouse &#124; T@lk 13:44, 31 May 2015 (UTC)

Wittgenstein
You reverted my removal of Wittgenstein's cause of death from the infobox. Please explain why. I'm a newbie, so I looked at the Manual of Style for Infoboxes and it says that infoboxes should summarize only key facts. Most biographical infoboxes on Wikipedia do not include cause of death. Was Wittgenstein's cause of death especially notable? It merits only a single sentence in the entire article and I see no citation that would indicate that his prostate cancer was especially notable. We wouldn't want to clutter up the infobox with favorite color, shoe size, names of pets, etc., so why cause of death? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Plantagenarian (talk • contribs) 22:44, 3 June 2015 (UTC)
 * Just so you know, there's nothing to say an infobox on a biography is required at all . I'm sure Martin (and others) will disagree with me, however ;)   Cassianto <sup style="font-family:Papyrus;">Talk   22:53, 3 June 2015 (UTC)
 * Just so you know, User:Plantagenarian, I disagree with Cassianto. Martinevans123 (talk) 22:58, 3 June 2015 (UTC)
 * Do not ask what the infobox means, ask rather how it is used. EEng (talk) 01:11, 4 June 2015 (UTC)
 * Haha. Maybe we should be all hunting for that beetle. Martinevans123 (talk) 07:42, 4 June 2015 (UTC)


 * I have no very strong feelings. It's just that your removal did not seem, to my mind, justified by your edit summary. Personally I don't regard "cause of death" as comparable with "favorite color, shoe size, names of pets". But I agree that it has little bearing on his work or his notability, perhaps none whatsoever. I will not revert you again. But I would much prefer you to open a discussion thread at the Talk Page. Thanks for looking at MoS Infoboxes. And thanks for taking the time to post here. (Please try and remember to sign your posts). Martinevans123 (talk) 22:56, 3 June 2015 (UTC)   p.s. umm, a newbie yes, you've made a total of 12 edits 13 edits in 4 years?
 * Unlucky for some ... — &#124; Gareth Griffith-Jones &#124; The Welsh Buzzard&#124; — 09:08, 4 June 2015 (UTC)

File:In the Land of Grey and Pink.ogg
Sorry I wasn't clearer- It's only a little thing, but as the page is at GAC, it's something which should be sorted. WP:SAMPLE partly explains how we should interpret WP:NFCC in the case of music samples. Namely, they generally should be no more than 10% of the song's length or 30 seconds (whichever is shorter), and they generally should be no more than 64kbps. This particular sample is fine with regards to length, but its quality is, currently, too high. This can be fixed using Audacity, as explained on the MOS page just linked. Josh Milburn (talk) 18:16, 7 June 2015 (UTC)
 * Thanks. Yes, I'm sure those massed bootleggers and pirate samplers will be queuing up to rob this sample off Commons. I'll upload a new one as soon as I can. Martinevans123 (talk) 19:03, 7 June 2015 (UTC)
 * Sorry, I'm not very technical - how does 22.05KHz compare with 64kbps? Should all samples have rates labelled in kbps instead of Khz? Thanks. Martinevans123 (talk) 20:13, 7 June 2015 (UTC)
 * Currently, the sample is 154 kbps. You can see it right underneath the player (where the actual image would be shown if this was an image upload). I don't know if/how KHz compares to kbps, but I'm not sure why it matters? Josh Milburn (talk) 23:13, 7 June 2015 (UTC)
 * I was suggesting the template ought to express the limit in kbps. That might be clearer? Martinevans123 (talk) 06:47, 8 June 2015 (UTC)
 * And why is this "generally should be no more than 64kbps"? What are the exceptions? If it were a hard limit, then uploading above that limit ought to be disabled by the upload wizard, with an appropriate error message? Martinevans123 (talk) 17:46, 22 June 2015 (UTC)

Hey!
How would you like to earn a QPQ credit? Template:Did you know nominations/Charles R. Apted EEng (talk) 07:15, 12 June 2015 (UTC)
 * I might give it a go when I have worked out what the hook means. Martinevans123 (talk) 07:50, 12 June 2015 (UTC) Does that credit come with PPI?
 * ... now you see what happens if you put DYK review requests on my Talk page! Martinevans123 (talk) 09:54, 12 June 2015 (UTC)

DYK preps/queues
It's probably escaped your attention but I think it's safe to say that I've worked on the content and presentation of the linked articles in just about every DYK hook for the past I-don't-know-how-long. But of course that's irrelevant to some. And who said being mediocre was bad? It's better than fucking crap. It's better than just about half of things after all... The Rambling Man (talk) 16:11, 13 June 2015 (UTC)
 * Goodness me, after all these long months, Rambler! Talk of the devil and all that..... Yes, my attention span is rather low, as you probably know. And no, I-don't-know-how-long either, I'm afraid. But almost every DYK hook does sound incredibly impressive. You have my every sympathy. I'm hoping, one day, to raise the standard of my own pathetic contributions from "fucking crap" to the heady heights of "mediocre". In fact, I'm hoping there's a "Barnstar of Mediocrity" on offer (hint, hint). But thanks for dropping by and lightening the tone so. Gosh Rambler, you are a card! Tee-hee. Martinevans123 (talk) 17:02, 13 June 2015 (UTC) ... and if you do come again, make sure you don't bring that moron EEng with you.
 * I didn't expect anything more, but sometimes presenting just a very select part of the story as some kind of de facto evidence of non-participation in a process is clearly disingenuous. Have a great day, glad to see the Belgians took one hell of a beating.  The Rambling Man (talk) 17:08, 13 June 2015 (UTC)
 * "Ha, ha, ha... and just look at the Belgians!!" Shame they had to bail out of the Championship, really: Martinevans123 (talk) 17:15, 13 June 2015 (UTC)
 * Yes, it was a knockout, I have high hopes to see three home nations at Euro 2016 right now. There is only one Yorkshire, our Geoff can testify to that.  The Rambling Man (talk) 17:20, 13 June 2015 (UTC)
 * "Eh what, lad? linking articles in just about every DYK hook for the past I-don't-know-how-long? You were LUCKY!" -- Gauntanamo Boycott (talk) 17:25, 13 June 2015 (UTC)
 * Thought I should look it up in the Guide to becoming an expert. — &#124; Gareth Griffith-Jones &#124; The Welsh Buzzard&#124; — 10:06, 14 June 2015 (UTC)
 * I guess there are many good hookers, but only a few brilliant ones. Martinevans123 (talk) 10:10, 14 June 2015 (UTC)
 * being the single one or the relatively few of the kind. — &#124; Gareth Griffith-Jones &#124; The Welsh Buzzard&#124; — 10:50, 14 June 2015 (UTC)

There is a discussion you may (or may not!) be interested in joining
Requests for mediation/Eurofighter Typhoon 2 regards Mztourist (talk) 04:26, 15 June 2015 (UTC)
 * Wow, another one already! I have skimmed over it, but I am loath to make any detailed input. Your analysis seems perfectly fair. It's a bit like max speed all over again. Martinevans123 (talk) 12:18, 15 June 2015 (UTC)

On Kay Burley
My most recent edit wasn't correcting NPOV persay, but I just added it into the edit summary anyway - fast paced edit. I believe that my edit was more neutral anyway, as the nature of her interview has already been established in the section, so it makes sense to move onto the next topic without lingering on the aggression in the interview. Wondering about your thoughts. ~NottNott (  ✉  - ☺  ) 15:26, 15 June 2015 (UTC)
 * That HuffPo source is pretty unforgiving. It says ".. cringe-inducing interview ... grilled by the Sky News anchor  ... Burley gave Varney short shrift as he attempted to answer".  Maybe other sources are kinder? In which case they could be used. I chose the word "assertive" thinking that was actually toning down from "aggressive". Martinevans123 (talk) 15:33, 15 June 2015 (UTC)


 * Check out my most recent edit - I've added a more toned-down source. Tell me what you think. ~NottNott  (  ✉  - ☺  ) 15:57, 15 June 2015 (UTC)
 * Fine by me. Personally, I'd see no harm in re-adding the Huff Po source in support. Thanks for taking the time to discuss. Martinevans123 (talk) 16:03, 15 June 2015 (UTC)

Top Gear
Re your question, it's the BBC. Is there any question? Personally I think Top Gear will end up like Brainiac: Science Abuse after Vic Reeves (who told him he was funny?) replaced Richard Hammond. I'm not sure it will last as long though. -- Aussie Legend  ( ✉ ) 18:58, 16 June 2015 (UTC)
 * Are they really aiming for an audience of seven year-olds? In my view Dale Winton would have been a better choice. Those trolleys are quite tough, you know! Martinevans123 (talk) 19:09, 16 June 2015 (UTC)
 * I'm from Australia so I really don't know who Dale Winton is. I've seen Chris Evans though and he's clearly not right for the job. Personally, I think this bloke is the only one right for the job. -- Aussie Legend  ( ✉ ) 19:17, 16 June 2015 (UTC)
 * Sorry, you lucky chap. In fact here's the dream team all on one sofa But, in that case, it could even have been your dashing compatriot. Martinevans123 (talk) 19:28, 16 June 2015 (UTC)

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 * Yes alright, I admit it, I am using someone else's gadgets or user scripts, It's a fair cop guv'nor. Martinevans123 (talk) 19:27, 17 June 2015 (UTC)
 * Another clear and simply communication from WMF. EEng (talk) 23:42, 17 June 2015 (UTC)
 * Pure and Simple? "I've been walking round in a daze!" pop heaven!! clap those hand's y'all!! Martinevans123 (talk) 18:26, 18 June 2015 (UTC) ... note: "at the time the fastest selling debut single of all time in the UK... "

That edit summary....
Bonne Chance, that was gold. Dbrodbeck (talk) 21:52, 19 June 2015 (UTC)
 * Not sure he'd really appreciate the cuisine. Martinevans123 (talk) 22:03, 19 June 2015 (UTC)

Adminship
Thank you for the kind words. I shall strive to do my best with the mop and bucket. -- Ser Amantio di Nicolao Che dicono a Signa?Lo dicono a Signa. 21:12, 26 June 2015 (UTC)
 * There is often a perception of never the twain about "admins" and "content editors", usually quite misplaced. But I do hope we don't "lose" a good editor. I sometimes think adminship should be strictly fixed term. My very best wishes and good luck. Martinevans123 (talk) 21:18, 26 June 2015 (UTC)
 * We shall see...I will be easing into my new role over the next few days. I don't see any reason why I wouldn't be able to continue at least some of my larger-scale editing, as it's fairly easy to fit into the cracks of my day.  Regardless, as of now I'm planning on a fixed-term adminship myself...I don't see myself spending longer than two years in the role, tops, honestly.  But again...we shall see.  I'm in complete terra incognita now.  Just waiting for the dragons to show up. :-) -- Ser Amantio di Nicolao Che dicono a Signa?Lo dicono a Signa. 21:23, 26 June 2015 (UTC)
 * I hope you can enjoy the crack, while it lasts, and I hope we don't see too many cracks appearing. Martinevans123 (talk) 21:33, 26 June 2015 (UTC)
 * Pssh. I'm from Washington, DC.  We had our own issues with crack, way back when. It don't scare me none.-- Ser Amantio di Nicolao Che dicono a Signa?Lo dicono a Signa. 00:43, 27 June 2015 (UTC)
 * ... or evenBelt Failure (234582464).jpg a plumber butt or plumber's crack (Canadian, Australian and American English) and builder's bum (British English) . Wishing the best of good luck over/with the next "two years". — &#124; Gareth Griffith-Jones &#124; The Welsh Buzzard&#124; — 08:41, 27 June 2015 (UTC)
 * Maybe we'll see an admin crackdown. Martinevans123 (talk) 09:12, 27 June 2015 (UTC)

Edit summary
This was a very stupid edit summary. Passers-by are likely to misconstrue it as racist. For myself, as I have already said, I think Indonesian schoolchildren are as bright as any others. DuncanHill (talk) 23:14, 27 June 2015 (UTC)
 * Thanks so much for your warm note of appreciation. I look forward to your non-racist edit summaries. I expect those highly intelligent Indonesian and Korean school kids, who are just passing by, are ripping up their Cornish primers in disgust, even as we speak. Martinevans123 (talk) 23:22, 27 June 2015 (UTC) I'm always careful to use an edit summary in case you think "what I'm saying is crap."

Note to self
I need to "stop all thoughts of revenge". Thanks for all the kind copyvio advice. See you in a week, then. Martinevans123 (talk) 13:19, 3 July 2015 (UTC)
 * Bon voyage! — &#124; Gareth Griffith-Jones &#124; The Welsh Buzzard&#124; — 13:21, 3 July 2015 (UTC)
 * How kind. I was really hoping to save someone "from really terrible trouble, I think you know what sort I mean." Oh well. Martinevans123 (talk) 13:24, 3 July 2015 (UTC)

"And do you see its long nose and chin? At least, they look exactly like a nose and chin, that is don't they? But they really are two of its legs. You know a Caterpillar has got quantities of legs: you can see more of them, further down." Carroll, Lewis. The Nursery "Alice". Dover Publications (1966), p 27. — &#124; Gareth Griffith-Jones &#124; The Welsh Buzzard&#124; — 06:58, 5 July 2015 (UTC)
 * Softlavender (talk) 23:42, 4 July 2015 (UTC)
 * I liked sigh.Alice 05a-1116x1492.jpg's illustration of the Caterpillar for Lewis Carroll's Alice's Adventures in Wonderland is noted for its ambiguous central figure, whose head can be viewed as being a human male's face with a pointed nose and pointy chin or being the head end of an actual caterpillar, with the first two right "true" legs visible.]]
 * You have continued with this far too long; I appreciate your feelings have been ruffled, for which I am sorry. But I didn't get where I am today by waffling on about caterpillars. Take the afternoon off! "CJ" (talk) 08:57, 5 July 2015 (UTC)
 * "Middle age"? ... I should be so lucky!— Victor Meldrew  (talk) — 11:09, 5 July 2015 (UTC)
 * "I don't believe it!" Martinevans123 (talk) 15:35, 5 July 2015 (UTC)
 * And then, suddenly.... the stolen organ has completely disappeared. Martinevans123 (talk) 10:52, 12 July 2015 (UTC)

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Gentle observation
Hi Martinevans123, When I watched the movie Independence Day this week, the line adapted from Dylan Thomas' poem jumped out at me. I felt it was clear. Jan Mair saw it that way and wrote about it. I think that the text in the article is clear that this is not a lengthy quotation, and it says "adapting Thomas' line", so readers should understand that it is derived. The Wikipedia standard for documentation does not require that the documentation be easily accessible. If you object, I will go gentle into that good night. Pete unseth (talk) 18:00, 8 July 2015 (UTC)
 * You're lucky that I'm a trivia junkie. But others may not be. At least that one has support from a reputable journal. So let's just see. Martinevans123 (talk) 18:12, 8 July 2015 (UTC)

Map thingy
I saw your work on Church of St Peter and St Mary, Stowmarket and it reminded me of a recent article which I started, St Edward the Confessor Church, Romford. How do you get the info box map? I thought something was missing.  Cassianto <sup style="font-family:Papyrus;">Talk   18:23, 8 July 2015 (UTC)
 * As with most other technical stuff, I must have copied and pasted from some other (much better) article! Very likely one of those by the pre-eminent User:Peter I. Vardy. Martinevans123 (talk) 18:31, 8 July 2015 (UTC)
 * Yes, I'm equally inept to all things technical. Having said that, I've never been one for stealing from a church, but in this case, I'm sure his reverence won't mind. I'll leave some money for the church roof fund or sweep the nave out or something.   Cassianto <sup style="font-family:Papyrus;">Talk   18:43, 8 July 2015 (UTC)
 * "What's that you say Sooty, dogs aren't allowed in church? Ah, never mind." Martinevans123 (talk) 18:48, 8 July 2015 (UTC)
 * Did you realise that in Welsh "cas y Ianto" means "The nasty Johnny"? Martinevans123 (talk) 15:35, 23 September 2015 (UTC)

I had inferred you were talking about...
this. Was I wrong? EEng (talk) 22:14, 8 July 2015 (UTC)
 * Blimey! No way... that looks more like an episode from some kind of farce! Martinevans123 (talk) 22:30, 8 July 2015 (UTC)

Tony Benn
Sadly it was added to the MoS without discussion in 2013, but only to make the reference to Bill Clinton match his article, not as an intimation that this was correct style. This shouldn't be used to mandate the ludicrous addition of obvious nicknames and diminutives to full names in the lead. It has sadly become very common recently, but it makes the encyclopaedia look amateurish in the extreme. This is currently being discussed at Wikipedia talk:Manual of Style/Biographies. -- Necrothesp (talk) 11:59, 10 July 2015 (UTC)
 * Many thanks, Necrothesp. I had no idea. That's a very useful piece of information. I'm not sure if that's necessarily "amateurish" or merely "disdainfully pompous", but I'll await an outcome from that discussion. I see some have escaped. Maybe we'll be able to trim off a bit of the "lede fat" here and there, or will that be a red light for some? Martinevans123 (talk) 12:15, 10 July 2015 (UTC)
 * Sadly Blair didn't escape until earlier today! -- Necrothesp (talk) 13:12, 10 July 2015 (UTC)
 * Ah, bless. They all deserve an award. Martinevans123 (talk) 13:20, 10 July 2015 (UTC)

'Infinite recursion'


Alas, some invariably must have the last word. Sca (talk) 12:56, 11 July 2015 (UTC)
 * Yes and, I've often found, the first. Martinevans123 (talk) 17:48, 11 July 2015 (UTC)


 * TNX. Sca (talk) 21:21, 11 July 2015 (UTC)


 * And some have words which mean nothing to most. After all, it's always worth remembering the advice of the hugely talented Joe Dolce. ;) The Rambling Man (talk) 20:19, 12 July 2015 (UTC)


 * How very cryptic. A dangerous habit. Martinevans123 (talk) 20:45, 12 July 2015 (UTC) it was me, not most, remember?


 * This user no longer comments on bilious statements made anywhere on Wikipedia by TRM. Sca (talk) 13:35, 13 July 2015 (UTC)
 * Except for when he (continually) does! The Rambling Man (talk) 13:41, 13 July 2015 (UTC)


 * Sca, whatever can you mean??! This is the new cuddly and approachable Rambling Man that we've all grown to love and respect so quickly. Martinevans123 (talk) 15:19, 13 July 2015 (UTC)
 * Same old Martin, same old Sca though, God bless you both! The Rambling Man (talk) 16:40, 13 July 2015 (UTC)
 * ah, how touching.. *sobs quietly into crumpled hanky* Martinevans123 (talk) 16:47, 13 July 2015 (UTC)
 * But here's that bucket you were asking for, Rambler. Sorry Sca, but TRM's humour does get a little dark at times. Martinevans123 (talk) 17:00, 13 July 2015 (UTC)
 * How very DARE you! The Rambling Man (talk) 18:32, 13 July 2015 (UTC)

Mr. McHenry
No, I don't think just because he has a beard, that I think he's Scottish (he wears a Cowboy hat, rather than a Tam o' shanter); one would think, judging from his name 'McHenry', that he's Scottish.Ofcdeadbeat (talk) 15:54, 11 July 2015 (UTC)Ofcdeadbeat
 * Ah, yes the traditional Irish cowboy hat. I always thought Dylan was Scottish. Mr McHenry doesn't sound very Scottish, does he, even with those rather odd bagpipes? Martinevans123 (talk) 17:41, 11 July 2015 (UTC)

Thanks
I did not realize that confederate was a common term in experiments. Thanks for correcting me. <b style="color:Green">Chillum</b> 21:44, 12 July 2015 (UTC)
 * Yes, in social psychology experiments anyway. Although it's not clear what an ethics committee would allow these days. I'm sure that your edit wasn't necessarily wrong, it does make it simpler for a non-specialist to understand, So I wasn't sure whether I should flag it up, or not! Hope you are well, Chillum. Martinevans123 (talk) 22:14, 12 July 2015 (UTC)

Idiom
The long pole in the tent? Sca (talk) 21:18, 13 July 2015 (UTC)
 * As in "happy camper" or sticking up like a sore thumb or possibly just most difficult part. I see wiki already has Tent-pole (entertainment). But then again, may be also a bit of an Arne Saknusen character. Apologies for using the first xenophobic cliché that came to mind. Sorry, second. Martinevans123 (talk) 21:26, 13 July 2015 (UTC)
 * Bearing what relationship to the recipient of the short stick? Sca (talk) 21:46, 13 July 2015 (UTC)


 * Who knows. Those Greeks have got a real nerve, haven't they. Martinevans123 (talk) 21:55, 13 July 2015 (UTC)


 * Well, someone has to pay Greek pensioners to sit in the Aegean sun and play dominoes. Sca (talk) 22:22, 13 July 2015 (UTC)


 * "'Ere, Sca-face me ol' china, I 'ad that Angular Miracle in the back of me Greek cab the uvver nite..... turns art she wants to print the new €100 note on special paper! Blimey! What a liberty." Kostas-a-Fortunas (Parthenon cabs) 22:30, 13 July 2015 (UTC)

"Controversy" section in BLP
You reinserted a section in Alan Titchmarsh entitled 'Controversy'. Are you aware that the BLP policy specifically states that section headers should be neutral? I am well aware that as an IP my edit would be flagged as section blanking. I just hoped that people wouldn't blindly undo. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.97.198.80 (talk) 21:03, 18 July 2015 (UTC)
 * Had you considered trimming that section instead of deleting it wholsale? Or even of opening a thread to discuss at the article Talk Page? Thanks. Martinevans123 (talk) 21:13, 18 July 2015 (UTC)
 * No, because it seemed a storm in a teacup which didn't fit anywhere else in the article. Did you consider that you are reinserting something which is specifically warned against by the BLP policy? If you believe it is important then by all means try and work it into the article properly. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.97.198.80 (talk) 21:24, 18 July 2015 (UTC)
 * So you think it can be "worked into the article properly"? Perhaps the material, which concerns his comments about older women in the media, could be integrated into the chronological section on his career in television. Except that it's not really related to that, but arose from an Observer interview. But even that might be better than just deleting it wholesale. Your own view, that it was "a storm in a teacup", is not really relevant, but the public reaction, by such people as Miriam O'Reilly, is. And that passage is supported by three WP:RSs, so I don't see that it's really contentious. Martinevans123 (talk) 21:49, 18 July 2015 (UTC)
 * You have not explained how having a section entitled "Controversy" meets BLP. And just because something is in reliable sources doesn't mean it isn't undue weight (comments which provoked a riposte at the time but nothing since?) I'll go ahead and delete it again. Like I say, if you think it can be worked into the overall narrative and comply with BLP then fine. But at the moment it doesn't accord with policy. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.97.198.80 (talk) 22:02, 18 July 2015 (UTC)
 * If you think it could be worked into the article, I'd be very happy to see you do that, instead of mechanistically deleting it again just to prove a point. You can then accord it the weight you think it deserves. As you will see, it's no longer called "Controversy". I wonder had you ever considered creating a named account - that way your edits might attract less unwanted attention. Martinevans123 (talk) 22:09, 18 July 2015 (UTC)

A cup of tea for you!






Jellyfish Kiss


A s you may know, myself and a number of other highly respected editors have decide to wall ourselves in, over the Summer, here in deepest Derbyshire in a bid to allow Wikipedia to cleanse itself. "I'm just going to the pub, and I may be some time.'" Yours, ever, "Tight Arse" Oatse (c/o South Pole) 20:19, 27 July 2015 (UTC)
 * "Sing-along now, Jellyfish, y'all!!"
 * ... come on Hafs, you Nordic temptress, you know you want to!!
 * Great recording! (colons instead of tildes) — &#124; Gareth Griffith-Jones &#124; The Welsh Buzzard&#124; — 21:05, 27 July 2015 (UTC)
 * indeed
 * Oh! I just looked and there's nothing in my wood shed. — &#124; Gareth Griffith-Jones &#124; The Welsh Buzzard&#124; — 21:10, 27 July 2015 (UTC)
 * Oh! What's occurrin'?? You are indeed lucky, but if you've got an hour and a half spare, you could always watch this display of utter musical genius Martinevans123 (talk) 21:14, 27 July 2015 (UTC)
 * I am playing it now, Absent friends. And at The Palladium, (London). What, no article! — &#124; Gareth Griffith-Jones &#124; The Welsh Buzzard&#124; — 21:23, 27 July 2015 (UTC)
 * Possibly the pinnacle of Hannon's career, in my opinion. Martinevans123 (talk) 21:25, 27 July 2015 (UTC) ... the old Bavarian cabaret song at 36:40 a particular highlight for me.
 * I'll check it out tomorrow. — &#124; Gareth Griffith-Jones &#124; The Welsh Buzzard&#124; — 21:46, 27 July 2015 (UTC)
 * You will not be disappointed. "Lotte Lenya meets Charles Manson" Martinevans123 (talk) 21:53, 27 July 2015 (UTC)
 * I was not disappointed. I must go up in the loft and dig out those lederhosen. — &#124; Gareth Griffith-Jones &#124; The Welsh Buzzard&#124; — 12:19, 28 July 2015 (UTC)
 * Stop Whihspering. Hafspajen (talk) 20:29, 28 July 2015 (UTC)
 * No way! Are you crazy?? Martinevans123 (talk) 20:35, 28 July 2015 (UTC)
 * I've gone crazy too. — &#124; Gareth Griffith-Jones &#124; The WelshBuzzard&#124; — 20:45, 28 July 2015 (UTC)
 * You sure have started somethin'. Martinevans123 (talk) 20:51, 28 July 2015 (UTC)
 * I love the verse. I didn't need a shove. — &#124; Gareth Griffith-Jones &#124; The Welsh Buzzard&#124; — 20:57, 28 July 2015 (UTC)


 * A great ending too. "The music was written by Harry Akst, the lyrics by Benny Davis." Martinevans123 (talk) 21:04, 28 July 2015 (UTC)
 * thank God you are not wispering so badly any more. And whay missy? Hafspajen (talk) 21:11, 28 July 2015 (UTC)
 * Goodness me. Two of the finest posts you've ever made to this lowly Talk Page! "I Kiss Your Hand, Madame" All we need now is a genuine Deutsch singen Dame. Martinevans123 (talk) 21:18, 28 July 2015 (UTC)
 * Very bright indeed. Hafspajen (talk) 21:23, 28 July 2015 (UTC)
 * (ec) Can't believe it: this minute I responded to a post by you (Martin), mentioning a composer who wrote a Requiem in 40 languages (or was it 14?), and an opera Gogol, - article needs improvement, - keyword fearless . --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:25, 28 July 2015 (UTC)
 * Gerda you said you were from or you have been in Norway? Have you been in Borgund and seen the Borgund Stave Church? Hafspajen (talk) 23:19, 28 July 2015 (UTC)

where did all that go?
Hello Hafs! Great to see you back, and up to your usual tricks!! I would respond with a message but, as you can see, I am not here. Martinevans123 (talk) 20:26, 27 July 2015 (UTC)
 * Another brilliant Welshman. So much talent. — &#124; Gareth Griffith-Jones &#124; The Welsh Buzzard&#124; — 12:22, 28 July 2015 (UTC)
 * Yes, few people know that Hieronymus Bosch was, in fact, born above a chip shop in Ystalyfera. Even his wiki article needs correcting! Martinevans123 (talk) 18:12, 28 July 2015 (UTC)


 * Yes, few people know that Hieronymus Bosch was, in fact, a decent, hard-working Bronx butcher, pining for the company of a woman in his life but despairing of ever finding true love in a relationship. So that's that. Hafspajen (talk) 22:16, 28 July 2015 (UTC)

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 * (ICELANDIC) TELEVISION EXPLAINED: your head is very, very busy all the time (... an Icelandic poet told me once). Martinevans123 (talk) 22:16, 29 July 2015 (UTC)
 * Illuminating. "Like a little city." — Board bored  of with  Examination examinations  — 08:25, 30 July 2015 (UTC)


 * For God's sake people calm down. Please stop leaving edit summaries like that. Softlavender (talk) 08:59, 30 July 2015 (UTC)
 * Good God! Are you referring to this rag — a British tabloid Sunday newspaper, founded as The People on 16 October 1881. —  Sub-editor  — 09:13, 30 July 2015 (UTC)
 * Martinevans123 received your thanks for their edit. Submarine (talk) 23:04, 31 July 2015 (UTC)
 * How very trippy. Martinevans123 (talk) 23:09, 31 July 2015 (UTC)
 * What is this? Cecil (lion) Reactions: you mean was a dentist?)? Submarine Shark: (talk) 23:04, 31 July 2015 (UTC)
 * I'm truly amazed that a big game hunter should have his own dental practice. Maybe he gets a lot of trouble with his teeth? Or perhaps hunting is his "mane job" and he's just "filling in" for the dentist? Martinevans123 (talk) 08:48, 1 August 2015 (UTC)
 * Dentist work must be a real bore. Hafspajen (talk) 11:15, 1 August 2015 (UTC)
 * Are you referring to calibre? — &#124; Gareth Griffith-Jones &#124; The Welsh Buzzard&#124; — 11:18, 1 August 2015 (UTC)
 * Must be boring to look at people gaping at you all the time. Or watsiscalled. Hafspajen (talk) 14:45, 1 August 2015 (UTC)
 * This guy doesn't need a weapon - and he allegedly has a shocking physical deformity. Martinevans123 (talk) 15:54, 1 August 2015 (UTC)

Stupefied
M, and any s/followers, what do you make of this? — &#124; Gareth Griffith-Jones &#124; The Welsh Buzzard&#124; — 10:31, 1 August 2015 (UTC)
 * Well, we don't want them getting too fat, do we. They must think you're equally streetwise? Martinevans123 (talk) 13:27, 1 August 2015 (UTC)
 * On the ball, as always! Yanks! — &#124; Gareth Griffith-Jones &#124; The Welsh Buzzard&#124; — 14:34, 1 August 2015 (UTC)

A cookie for you!

 * How very lovely. You're very welcome! I hope it wasn't too monstrous of me. Martinevans123 (talk) 15:15, 1 August 2015 (UTC)

Edit Warring
Your recent editing history at And the Band Played Waltzing Matilda shows that you are currently engaged in an edit war. To resolve the content dispute, please do not revert or change the edits of others when you get reverted. Instead of reverting, please use the article's talk page to work toward making a version that represents consensus among editors. The best practice at this stage is to discuss, not edit-war. See BRD for how this is done. If discussions reach an impasse, you can then post a request for help at a relevant noticeboard or seek dispute resolution. In some cases, you may wish to request temporary page protection.

Being involved in an edit war can result in your being blocked from editing&mdash;especially if you violate the three-revert rule, which states that an editor must not perform more than three reverts on a single page within a 24-hour period. Undoing another editor's work—whether in whole or in part, whether involving the same or different material each time—counts as a revert. Also keep in mind that while violating the three-revert rule often leads to a block, you can still be blocked for edit warring&mdash;even if you don't violate the three-revert rule&mdash;should your behavior indicate that you intend to continue reverting repeatedly. Mark Marathon (talk) 03:00, 4 August 2015 (UTC) Templating regular, established editors, is considered bad form, even when an offence has occured. In this instance, it is unacceptable. Read Shot own foot! — &#124; Gareth Griffith-Jones &#124; The Welsh Buzzard&#124; — 08:19, 4 August 2015 (UTC) Your old mate, — &#124; Gareth Griffith-Jones &#124; The Welsh Buzzard&#124; — 14:06, 5 August 2015 (UTC)
 * I removed your twice in the space of 8 days. I'm not sure that constitutes "edit warring". You opened a thread to discuss this at the Talk Page just five hours ago, threatening that I will be "reported for edit warring".  And all because I suggest that the description of the synopsis of the song is supported by a common version of the lyrics already linked at the bottom of the article. I don't think you're being very reasonable. So your wish that I "have a nice day" rings rather hollow. Martinevans123 (talk) 07:48, 4 August 2015 (UTC)
 * I almost admitted that you were my "mate", Gareth. But I don't think we are allowed to have those here. Maybe you can on Twitter? Removing "cn" tags twice has never been quite as painful in my 8 years here. Martinevans123 (talk) 12:34, 5 August 2015 (UTC) ... but only 8 years - that's hardly "a marathon", is it? Seems I don't have a leg to stand on.
 * And you seem to be more active editing away at the ol' Wikithing on your hols than most do when they claim to be "at it" full-time.
 * "What have I, what have I, what have I done to deserve this??" Sing it Dusty, me old 'derro bushie. (... I've always loved Pat Butcher, me)

Ice cream and sheep droppings
Bore da. You might be interested in this DYK. First ever road I drove on without L plates the day after passing my test; I can recall my mum in the passenger seat scared that I was going to drive off the edge. <b style="color:#7F007F">Ritchie333</b> <sup style="color:#7F007F">(talk) <sup style="color:#7F007F">(cont)  09:22, 5 August 2015 (UTC)
 * Bore da. Su'dych chi, Mr bws-arolygydd? What a lovely combination. My mother still reacts that way, wherever I'm driving.... Heads-of-the-Valleys-Hywell (talk) 09:59, 5 August 2015 (UTC)
 * It's a shame no source covers it, but the persistence of the ice cream van is pretty legendary, I've been up that way in mid January and seen it. As all my relatives who lived in the Rhondda have either died or moved away, I haven't been there in ages but do take a nostalgic trip up there when I can. The sheep randomly roaming about the van is absolutely true! <b style="color:#7F007F">Ritchie333</b> <sup style="color:#7F007F">(talk) <sup style="color:#7F007F">(cont)  13:13, 5 August 2015 (UTC)
 * All died or moved away, you say? Is it the ice-cream, I wonder? Martinevans123 (talk) 13:16, 5 August 2015 (UTC)
 * Well, now you mention it..... <b style="color:#7F007F">Ritchie333</b> <sup style="color:#7F007F">(talk) <sup style="color:#7F007F">(cont)  13:17, 5 August 2015 (UTC)
 * And it is here!!!! Strawberry ice cream.jpgajen (talk) 15:21, 11 August 2015 (UTC)
 * Farm Shop sign - geograph.org.uk - 1052965.jpg


 * Really? Do you take me for a complete fool? ... and I think I spotted a beetle in there... Martinevans123 (talk) 19:07, 11 August 2015 (UTC)
 * Hehe...Pan fydd uffern yn rhew drosodd. Hafspajen (talk) 22:02, 11 August 2015 (UTC)
 * Neu pan fyddwch yn gweld moch yn hedfan yn yr awyr.... Martinevans123 (talk) 16:50, 13 August 2015 (UTC)

No Poundland??
Maybe not, but thanks to the generosity and community spirit of Caroline Parkin (God bless 'er!), it is still possible to spend a penny... PaleCloudedWhite (talk) 22:06, 13 August 2015 (UTC)
 * Well you know what they say, "in for a penny, in for £100,000"...."At a hotly contested auction the owner of Leakers Bakery snapped up the old public toilets in the East Street car park from under the noses of developers." But not sure "noses" is quite the right word there. Martinevans123 (talk) 22:09, 13 August 2015 (UTC)
 * Somehow I'm sure "Vince" would find the right word .... PaleCloudedWhite (talk) 22:37, 13 August 2015 (UTC)
 * Ah, yes. The perils of politics, eh? But good to see he's got a worthwhile job at last. Martinevans123 (talk) 07:34, 14 August 2015 (UTC)
 * A job here? — &#124; Gareth Griffith-Jones &#124; The Welsh Buzzard&#124; — 10:28, 14 August 2015 (UTC)
 * "WAAAAAAAAHHHHH!!!" Great to see you rockin' out, Gareth. I'm sure we'd all rather see Edguy in the bathroom than Titchguy. Martinevans123 (talk) 19:52, 14 August 2015 (UTC)

The Answer Man
The answer is no: Anyone caught wearing a watch will be executed with a 14.5mm ZPU-4 anti-aircraft gun, and the offending timepiece will be donated to the personal collection of Kim Jong-un. Sca (talk) 21:39, 14 August 2015 (UTC)
 * Great. The last thing we want is Tabloid Wars. Martinevans123 (talk) 21:49, 14 August 2015 (UTC)

Why a stranger?
EEng (talk) 01:36, 15 August 2015 (UTC)


 * And why so ... strange ?? Softlavender (talk) 03:49, 15 August 2015 (UTC)
 * Yes, that too. EEng (talk) 13:02, 15 August 2015 (UTC)
 * Just remember, as the great Bard Robert told us, long ago... Ruth is Stranger than Richard. Martinevans123 (talk) 20:59, 16 August 2015 (UTC)


 * So sorry folks, must have been something I drank. Steveevans123 (talk) 08:26, 15 August 2015 (UTC) ... mmm, nice perm, Eric.


 * "Well I'm not gonna shag me, that's for certain." — Martinevans123 (Softlavender (talk) 08:42, 15 August 2015 (UTC))


 * Hahahaha. "Oh, that's Queen Victoria." Martinevans123 (talk) 09:09, 15 August 2015 (UTC)

Ever on the qui vive
Wikibreak over, eh? Still doing the "complicated games"? — &#124; Gareth Griffith-Jones &#124; The Welsh Buzzard&#124; — 09:29, 15 August 2015 (UTC)


 * Life is one long wikibreak for me, Gareth. As you already know. Martinevans123 (talk) 09:33, 15 August 2015 (UTC)


 * Nearly five years since Mehefinheulog1 posted that, and must be regarded as one of their finest examples of their outstanding talent. — &#124; Gareth Griffith-Jones &#124; The Welsh Buzzard&#124; — 09:55, 15 August 2015 (UTC)


 * He's a "right old nutter". Apparently. Martinevans123 (talk) 10:08, 15 August 2015 (UTC)

A. "I was on my way to college this morning on the bus, and happened to notice a young man enjoying his music thuroughly, I then proceeded to film him." — &#124; Gareth Griffith-Jones &#124; The Welsh Buzzard&#124; — 12:16, 15 August 2015 (UTC)
 * Q. Where do you find them?


 * "I 'ate you Butler! I 'ate cha!" ... RIP Inspector Cyril "Blakey" Blake - with that Hitlerian moustache, ridiculously glum attitude and gormless grimace, he was a true classic sitcom character:  Martinevans123 (talk) 12:33, 15 August 2015 (UTC)

"most hated"
It appears our names aren't horrible, or even stupid - phew, that's a relief!....... PaleCloudedWhite (talk) 20:57, 20 August 2015 (UTC)
 * Shucks, fame at last, eh. I must have missed that. How very grand. Still, much better than "most hatted", I guess. And if I ever find out who that Teddyevans123 is, he's going to get a right "stringing up". Martinevans123 (talk) 21:05, 20 August 2015 (UTC)
 * As Warwickshire's most famous son once pondered, "weather 'tis nobler in the mind to suffer the winds and tarot of outrageous fortune...." PaleCloudedWhite (talk) 22:10, 20 August 2015 (UTC)

Invitation to WikiProject TAFI
What's that you say, North America, Project Taffy? Sounds great. Martinevans123 (talk) 16:18, 30 August 2015 (UTC)

Oliver Sacks' nationality
Don't you just love (some) Americans - keen to claim Oliver Sacks as 'one of theirs', but equally happy to deny that their own President is... :) JezGrove (talk) 21:08, 30 August 2015 (UTC)
 * Quite bizarre. I don't recall a big discussion over Sacks' nationality while he was still alive. Martinevans123 (talk) 21:10, 30 August 2015 (UTC)
 * Greetings, just your friendly, neighborhood IP popping by!. I understand my own comments may of caused a stir (I am, well was, that IP in the thread - who has now withdrawn)...or perhaps even some "offence". Seriously, if my cousin ever rose above the ranks of a lowly graduate geologist working for BHP (well actually lowly sounds kinda insulting to describe someone who is Ba, Ma and PhD) and become notable enough to have his own wikipedia article - then I dare say there would be arguments over his nationality. Assuming of course his hypothetical rise to fame took place in another country - let us say the US...because that's where he's lived for the past 15 years. Perhaps there would even be an argument over his "Englishness"?! As he was born in Devon but raised in Cornwall. "XXXX is an English-born Cornish-American geologist". My god, what a laugh. Thankfully he is above such nonsense, but I thought it was fun anyhow. And the Obama stuff - That nonsense about his nationality is still as funny as it ever was - especially considering how many still like to doubt it. --109.149.122.179 (talk) 22:47, 31 August 2015 (UTC)
 * How encouraging to get a genuine ip editor at my page. As we all know, Barack is actually Welsh. Some people as so easily offended, thank goodness. Martinevans123 (talk) 07:07, 1 September 2015 (UTC)
 * Yes, but really I would have preferred it to have been this angle. — &#124; Gareth Griffith-Jones &#124; The Welsh Buzzard&#124; — 11:49, 1 September 2015 (UTC)
 * Something tells me you folks are Welsh. Well, riddle me this - I was on the North Cornish Coast this Sunday gone, climbing the dramatic heights of Dintagel, when I spotted on the horizon an island shimmering in the distance. Could this of been a Welsh Island? It seemed pretty far off the coast, but I have some doubts as my position was rather far west. Anyhow, I'm honored to be considered a genuine IP editor - is it a fad to be one? "no account, but I'm alright!". Ha. FYI, to make it clear I am a neutral, I made an edit to a little-known South Korean "born" girl group...--109.149.122.179 (talk) 15:06, 2 September 2015 (UTC)
 * Hey Plymouth IP stranger (or can I get real intimate and call you “179”?!) We in the “Taffia” are sworn to secrecy, alas. If it was due north, on a very clear day, I guess it might have been Ynys Wair, but that’s not really Welsh, at the moment. It’s just owned by pâl and bilidowcar. Oh, so that’s how you prove neutrality is it?? ... I think you ought to try a good North Korean boy band... Martinevans123 (talk) 15:29, 2 September 2015 (UTC) p.s. Dintagel?  - you ought to try Dismaland.
 * Only our dear American "cousins" refer to people as folks and, bizarrely, I rather enjoy it. — &#124; Gareth Griffith-Jones &#124; The Welsh Buzzard&#124; — 08:54, 3 September 2015 (UTC)

I would take IPs more seriously if they understood the difference between "have" and "of". Softlavender (talk) 09:01, 3 September 2015 (UTC) Yes, one of my pet grouses too. It is all down to not understanding grammar, poor diction and imitating what they think they have heard. — &#124; Gareth Griffith-Jones &#124; The Welsh Buzzard&#124; — 09:17, 3 September 2015 (UTC)
 * Good morning ,
 * ... and my own personal pet grouse too. Martinevans123 (talk) 09:22, 3 September 2015 (UTC)
 * As I pressed I knew I should HAVE created a link to grouse. — &#124; Gareth Griffith-Jones &#124; The Welsh Buzzard&#124; — 09:29, 3 September 2015 (UTC)
 * In a modern context, the term bugbear serves as a metaphor for something which is annoying or irritating, as does hobgoblin, often with a connotation that the fear or loathing it inspires is disproportionate to its small importance. It may also mean pet peeve. — &#124; Gareth Griffith-Jones &#124; The Welsh Buzzard&#124; — 09:36, 3 September 2015 (UTC)
 * Yes, ... coming over here, with their chewing gum and hideous checked trousers, taking over our encyclopedias ... and talking in those irritatingly LOUD VOICES!!! ... do they know nothing about traditional British culture?? Martinevans123 (talk) 09:54, 3 September 2015 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the 'Thanks' you sent - the whole Sacks-nationality thing certainly requires a sense of humour at times... (I seem to recall there was a very similar spat about the exact proportion of Liam Neeson's Irish/British/American-ness though oddly the US contingent lost interest after his remarks on gun control led to the arms industry threatening not to lend him any more of their toys for his next Taken sequel!) JezGrove (talk) 13:36, 3 September 2015 (UTC)
 * Haha, you're very welcome. Maybe we need all BLP infoboxes to employ a mandatory drop-down pie chart showing ancestors' nationalities for six generations back. Martinevans123 (talk) 13:58, 3 September 2015 (UTC)
 * Given that David Cameron's | related to Kim Kardashian maybe we should go back right to the beginning of the human race and say everyone's African?! JezGrove (talk) 14:16, 3 September 2015 (UTC)
 * Whoaah!! scary link - particularly that JezCorbyn photomontage! Yes, looks like Winston Hubert McIntosh was right... Martinevans123 (talk) 14:26, 3 September 2015 (UTC)
 * Yikes - hadn't scrolled down far enough to see 'The Man of Steel (Renationalisation)'! Guess there are some in Labour that would be happy for the Yanks to claim him... (Well, it worked for Ed and his big brother! Though Andy Burnham would have been a better fit for the outfit David left to work for in New York). JezGrove (talk) 14:40, 3 September 2015 (UTC)
 * Do you think we could maybe sell 'em a national treasure? (Even if he has got OCD). Martinevans123 (talk) 14:47, 3 September 2015 (UTC)
 * We could even throw in a couple of class acts from the red (faced) benches too, while we were at it - if we could bear to part with them… JezGrove (talk) 15:13, 3 September 2015 (UTC)
 * Ah, yes Lord Moat of Drawbridge - one of my favourites in the I-Spy Book of Expenses Fiddlers. Martinevans123 (talk) 15:22, 3 September 2015 (UTC)
 * Yup, he could have taught Chris a thing or two about fleecing! JezGrove (talk) 15:28, 3 September 2015 (UTC)
 * Back at the Sacks talk page it feels like I'm herding (New York) cats! JezGrove (talk) 20:16, 3 September 2015 (UTC)
 * Haha. Great to see you with your sturdy British crook. Martinevans123 (talk) 20:23, 3 September 2015 (UTC)
 * Thanks for your help in herding over there. Just spotted my unintended juxtaposition of 'sheep' and 'herding' in my contributions to this page – but as the woolly creatures heading for the Welsh uplands say to the hill-farmers, "please don’t take a fence". (God, that’s dire even by my standards.) JezGrove (talk) 22:22, 3 September 2015 (UTC)
 * Don't worry, my uncle used to keep mountain goats. But then, he was from Cwmaman. Martinevans123 (talk) 22:29, 3 September 2015 (UTC)
 * We need a persistent creature like that on patrol on the talk page. JezGrove (talk) 22:40, 3 September 2015 (UTC)
 * Too true, mate. And all we get is ineffectual admins like that hopeless three-legged one. Martinevans123 (talk) 22:48, 3 September 2015 (UTC)
 * Yup, we definitely need one with some balls - and contrary to what our PE teachers said, a long history of mastering the art of playing with your odd-shaped balls needn’t be detrimental. JezGrove (talk) 22:56, 3 September 2015 (UTC)

I'm so glad you posted that. ITN here we come!! Martinevans123 (talk) 22:59, 3 September 2015 (UTC)
 * Great! Sadly, I Hondootedly spoke too soon about | Neesom's nationality though...! It had been quiet for months, I hope it wasn't something I said... JezGrove (talk) 23:10, 3 September 2015 (UTC)
 * What! Liam not a Proud and Upstanding Irishman?? Martinevans123 (talk) 23:15, 3 September 2015 (UTC)


 * Lord, I never knew that Welsh soldiers were such ineffectual wussies. The Black Watch could certainly show those pansies a thing or two. Softlavender (talk) 01:42, 4 September 2015 (UTC)
 * How very dare you. I'l have you know that the Welsh Guards are drilled to within a inch of their trouser creases on a regular basis. Martinevans123 (talk) 07:26, 4 September 2015 (UTC)

N

 * Marty that's a green scull. Hafspajen (talk) 19:13, 31 August 2015 (UTC)
 * Yes, but nice teeth. Martinevans123 (talk) 19:18, 31 August 2015 (UTC) Close up - chimpanzee teeth.png
 * Are you a paleontologist ot what. Hafspajen (talk) 20:46, 31 August 2015 (UTC)
 * See you in Minnesota. Martinevans123 (talk) 22:11, 31 August 2015 (UTC)

Today
What is it with today? Nothing but vandal reverts all day....    The sooner we get them all back in class, heads down and working hard to pass their exams, the better. I blame the parents. Mr. Hankey = Ghmyrtle (talk) 16:31, 1 September 2015 (UTC)
 * Yes, two of them were actually on TV last night, alongside "Me Kyan Believe It Nat Custard" and a classic edition of Laurel and Hardy - well worth a look if you missed it! Quite surreal in places. Martinevans123 (talk) 16:42, 1 September 2015 (UTC) Nelson Mandela's "Smack and Crack Party Bag" a personal favourite:

So Sad (To Watch Good Love Go Bad)
Thanks for your latest "thanks". I am guessing that, like me, you are trying to make the girl "buck up" and stop wallowing in self pity. Cheers Martin! — &#124; Gareth Griffith-Jones &#124; The Welsh Buzzard&#124; — 09:40, 4 September 2015 (UTC)
 * It can get very dark in Sweden, you know.... But it seems something may be missing, alas. Martinevans123 (talk) 09:53, 4 September 2015 (UTC)
 * This fellow has a way/has it away with the ladies. — &#124; Gareth Griffith-Jones &#124; The Welsh Buzzard&#124; — 14:26, 4 September 2015 (UTC)

Chenies manor,
hello. Sorry we seem to have been tripping over each other editing the page. I noticed you inserted an inflation adjusted valuation for the manor supposedly converting the then valuation of £11 to £10,000 now. I would suggest that this number is wrong! I am extraordinarily skeptical that the equivalent of what is now the annual wage for a poorly paid person would have been enough to buy this manor at that time.

Incidentally, the figure of £11 is that quoted by wessex archaeology in their writeup and is no doubt what the original document said. I was concerned, however, whether this was the sale value, or might possibly be an annual income valuation. Sandpiper (talk) 23:26, 4 September 2015 (UTC)


 * Hi, Sandpiper thanks for your message. Apologies for the edit conflicts. Yes, that value looked a bit low to me as well, so I've taken it out. Thanks for adding all that new material. I'm not sure that SM 27145 is really needed in the lede section. Maybe we could work it in later on, as the lede is meant to be a summary of the whole article? Martinevans123 (talk) 08:45, 5 September 2015 (UTC)

Therefore its postal address is Rickmansworth, Hertfordshire. — &#124; Gareth Griffith-Jones &#124; The Welsh Buzzard&#124; — 08:52, 5 September 2015 (UTC)08:54, 5 September 2015 (UTC)
 * Good morning Martin and, I have just edited the Info' box to reflect its address. Although Chenies is in Buckinghamshire, Chenies village is in the WD3 postcode area, which is centered on Rickmansworth.


 * Cheers. I knew it was near the border of the two counties. Martinevans123 (talk) 08:55, 5 September 2015 (UTC)


 * Dont have a problem about moving the reference number. There is more material to add yet and obviously the lead summarises the article contents, so rather has to be written last. I have changed it a bit because the information I added has rather contradicted what it used to say, about the current manner being built by the Cheyne family, whereas it is looking to be 'new' tudor work. From what I have read, this is not absolutley certain, but that would seem to be where the wessex archaeology/time team detective work has led. There is more to write up about phases of construction of the demolished north block, but it looks like this was the old house. I expect there will be a home for the ref number somewhere later, and it might have been nice if there was something more which might have been said in the lead about the earliest part of the house. Unfortunately it looks like all that is left is a basement.Sandpiper (talk) 09:07, 6 September 2015 (UTC)


 * Hi Sandpiper. I'm sure your diligent research will be of great benefit to the article. Martinevans123 (talk)

Section blanking
Hi Martin, a couple of sections I added to the page Brian Anderson (boxer) have been blanked twice this morning by editor Banderson1961 – this is the only page this user has edited, and the account wasn’t used before today. I know your Wikipedia experience is much greater than mine – would you mind taking a look at the page when you get the chance to see what you think? Very many thanks! JezGrove (talk) 09:44, 7 September 2015 (UTC)
 * I'll try and have a look. That does seem a bit odd and maybe bordering on disruptive editing. Martinevans123 (talk) 09:50, 7 September 2015 (UTC)

How do I speak with you?
Hi I would like to discuss recent revisions to Brian Anderson (Boxer). Banderson1961 (talk) 03:46, 8 September 2015 (UTC)
 * The best place to discuss article content is at Talk:Brian Anderson (boxer). Thanks. Martinevans123 (talk) 07:23, 8 September 2015 (UTC)

message to JezGrove
As you are involved please find below a copy of the message I have sent to JezGrove:

Hi JezGrove - I'm sorry for the unauthorized editing yesterday. I really have little idea how to use this site. However the additional information you have added to Brian Anderson (boxer) is biased and without context. I don't know if it is your intention to be misleading but I just wanted to add some balance to the biography because I'm hoping that is the point of Wikipedia. I don't know if I have breached some convention as I am the subject of the page but if you are interested in writing a factual biography I would be more than happy to speak with you!Banderson1961 (talk) 03:55, 8 September 2015 (UTC)

Kind Regards Brian Banderson1961 (talk) 03:58, 8 September 2015 (UTC)


 * Thanks for the copy. Martinevans123 (talk) 07:23, 8 September 2015 (UTC)

Conflict of interest
I now understand that my edit represents a conflict of interest. What can I do to address my concern regarding this bio

Regards Bganderson1961 (talk) 05:50, 8 September 2015 (UTC)


 * If you are the subject of an article, it's probably best to make a declaration at Conflict of interest/Noticeboard. If you think there are article content problems, simply discuss at Talk:Brian Anderson (boxer) Thanks. Martinevans123 (talk) 07:26, 8 September 2015 (UTC)

Thank you for your response. I have been advised to open a discussion on the article talk page.

Regards Brian Banderson1961 (talk) 08:22, 8 September 2015 (UTC)


 * Hi Martin, Thanks for your help - and apologies for dragging you into it in the first place! I've replied to Banderson1961 on my (rather dusty) talk page. JezGrove (talk) 08:59, 8 September 2015 (UTC)


 * Hi again, Martin - thanks for your comment on the BA (boxer) talk page. I'm REALLY confused - am I dealing with two separate people both claiming to be BA now? Is there a way of checking? JezGrove (talk) 16:25, 8 September 2015 (UTC)


 * I think we need to ask Mr Anderson if he's created a second account by mistake, or out of newbie ignorance. He's said a number of times that he has "no idea how Wikipedia works", so I'm guessing it's an oversight on his part. Martinevans123 (talk) 18:06, 8 September 2015 (UTC)


 * Maybe, but one of them has been responding to my posts on my talk page (you're very welcome to take a look, though it's a social desert over there) JezGrove (talk) 18:15, 8 September 2015 (UTC)


 * I've asked Banderson1961 if he can explain Bganderson1961. Martinevans123 (talk) 18:21, 8 September 2015 (UTC) A social desert, you say? I do hope it's not because you are a bit too gobby.
 * ...or even because you are a bit too thorny....


 * And just when I thought that I'd finally deleted any such suggestions from my WP page... JezGrove (talk) 20:29, 8 September 2015 (UTC)


 * We may all need to take shelter from such a prickly specimen. I just don't like to see another editor getting boxed in. Martinevans123 (talk) 20:42, 8 September 2015 (UTC)


 * If, after B(G)A’s eventual response, I’m left feeling a little mistreated is there anywhere I can take the issue? (I should have restricted my edits to saying that in the bad old days everything in prison was  ‘orrible but that now it’s all  ‘cushty’ – sadly, I just couldn’t find a reliable source!)


 * I could suggest a possible venue, but you might find it a little arduous. Martinevans123 (talk) 21:32, 8 September 2015 (UTC)


 * That's fine, provided it's better than facing a lifetime of unwarranted abuse! JezGrove (talk) 21:36, 8 September 2015 (UTC)


 * Haha. You might even get remission. Prison Officer 'Sour' Crout (talk) 21:49, 8 September 2015 (UTC)


 * For once I’m totally serious (ouch!) – I really don’t want to be on the receiving end of accusations of bias when I’ve been polite and open to suggested revisions. (At least in my eyes - I appreciate that these things are subjective, but then that cuts both ways). I’m not going to be online much tomorrow (some new work has just come in, and I need to do the week’s shopping in the morning before I make a start on it –ah! the joys of ‘working from home’) but if B(G)A accuses me of bias again is there anywhere I can go to defend my (albeit unremarkable) reputation? JezGrove (talk) 22:20, 8 September 2015 (UTC)


 * You could go to AN/I. But that would be a bit like a snowball expecting to get a fair hearing somewhere on the West Coast. It's really just a content dispute. Believe me, it's rather obvious that you have nothing to answer in the bias department. BGA appears to be just a new editor who is keen to expunge anything from the article about himself that looks a little negative. User:Michig is the editor who created the article. I wonder what he has to say. Martinevans123 (talk) 22:36, 8 September 2015 (UTC)


 * I suspect he might be a fan (probably unfairly, but not overflowing with good faith right now). So I guess I’ll just have to fake it and let it go then! JezGrove (talk) 22:45, 8 September 2015 (UTC)


 * Just as I was in danger of forgetting it, good faith is always required - even when in short supply. I've now looked at User:Michig’s (very numerous) useful contributions and realised how totally unfair my last comment was – no disrespect was intended, and my apologies if any was taken. JezGrove (talk) 23:06, 8 September 2015 (UTC)


 * I'm sure you are sixpence none the richer.... ah, don't you just love Leigh Nash!

Thank you Martinevans123 I have responded to you both on the Brian Anderson (Boxer) talk page.

Regards Brian Bganderson1961 (talk) 18:26, 8 September 2015 (UTC)

Dear both I dont understand much of what is written here between you both it appears to be in some sort of code! Yes I am a new editor but Im not sure what the relevance is!.. Just for the record I have not requested that anything be removed from the page. I attempted to delete it originally only because I didn't know what else I could do. My requests have only ever been that more content should be added to provide more balance. I know I can't win this argument you have all the power. I find it interesting that someone who writes anonymously about others (JezGrove) is so easily offended. I wish you could experience, just for a day, what it feels like for me.

My best wishes to you both JezGrove and Martinevans123

Brian Bganderson1961 (talk) 01:08, 9 September 2015 (UTC)


 * Thanks for your message, Brian. Apologies, you're not the only one who has trouble understanding my rather convoluted Talk Page. It tends to be a small oasis on nonsense amidst the stark deserts of verifiable facts. I'm sure most of us never have to worry about article content reflecting poorly on us personally. And I see at the Talk Page that the editor who originally created the article, User:Michig, shares some of your concerns about balance. In my experience, Private Eye is happy to dig up whatever dirt it can on someone just to fill its columns. That doesn't mean it's not all true, but it may not all be appropriate for inclusion in a wikipedia article. Prisons only tend to get in the news when there is a problem. But I can assure that any "power" that JezGrove or I may seem to have here derives wholly from the application of wikipedia policies. There is no reason why you can't also soon become familiar with these and feel equally empowered. You might even want to edit other articles. Martinevans123 (talk) 07:46, 9 September 2015 (UTC)

Dear Martnevans123 - I'm Grateful for your time and advice Kind Regards

Brian Bganderson1961 (talk) 05:49, 10 September 2015 (UTC)

"sockpuppet"
Hi Martinevans123 can you tell me what a sock puppet account is!

Regards Brian Bganderson1961 (talk) 19:00, 8 September 2015 (UTC)


 * With pleasure: Sock puppetry. Martinevans123 (talk) 19:21, 8 September 2015 (UTC)

Seems familiar!
A few people around this place (WP, not your entertaining Talk Page) act like Miracle Mike – I dare say I’m occasionally one of them, though…. Have a good day! JezGrove (talk) 09:19, 10 September 2015 (UTC)


 * Alas, I have to confess I am, likewise "fucked in the head". Martinevans123 (talk) 22:54, 10 September 2015 (UTC)


 * Apologies - point taken! JezGrove (talk) 23:04, 10 September 2015 (UTC)


 * Jez, you have nothing to apologise for. You are always welcome at my Talk Page. Martinevans123 (talk) 07:04, 11 September 2015 (UTC)


 * Thanks Martin. I see that Liz II has become the Queen with the longest reign, but it could be a while before she becomes the Queen with the longest snow! Sincere apologies to you and CS Lewis (and Liz herself, of course!) for that royally dire attempt at humour JezGrove (talk)


 * Ah yes, if I see Brenda I'll be sure to mention that. Martinevans123 (talk) 14:31, 12 September 2015 (UTC)

Whalley (ancient parish)
Hi Martin,

I noticed the link you added to Dunnockshaw and Clowbridge, and while you have linked to the correct Whalley, that article doesn't mention the ancient parish so I'm going to revert. Quite a long time ago I started this User:Trappedinburnley/Whalley (ancient parish), but as I didn't know much about it I got a bit stuck. Since then (time permitting), I've been working through the relevant articles adding info on the related townships, with a view to eventually completing the new article. Any contributions you could make would be welcome.--Trappedinburnley (talk) 17:45, 11 September 2015 (UTC) PS Are you aware of this? GLAM/Clitheroe Castle Museum


 * Hi Trapped. Thanks so much for your friendly note. I'm must admit that I left that edit summary question mark just for you. I can see you've been very busy in your sandbox there and it looks very promising. I'll try and have a look. Thanks also for the castle link. I've been to Clitheroe a few times, but never to the castle. Martinevans123 (talk) 20:14, 11 September 2015 (UTC)

WP
Anyhow, WP seems to be back up. Sca (talk) 21:41, 12 September 2015 (UTC)
 * coolios.

Mr Pastry
Linking to Richard Hearne? Are you showing your age, I wonder, or did your parents tell you how wonderful Mr Pastry was: see here. I adored him when I was a little boy in the 1950s and I can still see why.  Tim riley  talk    21:13, 14 September 2015 (UTC)
 * Yes, a gem. Long before my time in fact, can only just remember seeing clips of him on TV. I'm pretty sure my father thought him a bumbling idiot, but I recall that my grandparents thought him "quite a card". Martinevans123 (talk) 21:19, 14 September 2015 (UTC)
 * Oh, grandparents is it? Right! That's all-out war.  Tim riley  talk    21:23, 14 September 2015 (UTC)
 * Haha, it's true I tell you. We couldn't afford a television until the 1960s! Martinevans123 (talk) 21:24, 14 September 2015 (UTC)
 * Pah!  Tim riley  talk    21:42, 14 September 2015 (UTC)

Hoe-Down
The article you mentioned is about the general style of the folk idiom called the Hoedown. Many composers have drawn on this basic fiddle-based dance music for inspiration. One that comes to mind is Don Gillis, who I studied with in the 1970s.

Having lived with both the Nelson and the Copland for more that fifty years I can assure you that they are completely different pieces of music.JaneOlds (talk) 20:44, 15 September 2015 (UTC)
 * Your place must be quite crowded. But do say hello to Oliver for me. Martinevans123 (talk) 20:56, 15 September 2015 (UTC)

Elvis Costello & The (Visitor) Attractions
Hi Martin! I know in his early recordings Mr Costello / MacManus had a rather mumbled vocal delivery, but nevertheless I’m sure he expressed his feelings very clearly in his excellent song (I Don’t Want to Go To) Caersws! Having had a look at the page’s troubled editing history, I humbly suggest that if the locals REALLY want to stake their village’s claim to fame they’d be better doing so with: "It has one of the biggest clusters of IP editors of Wikipedia in Wales, or indeed the world"… (actually, maybe "one of the densest clusters" would be a more accurate description, on second thoughts! JezGrove (talk) 09:07, 19 September 2015 (UTC)
 * Goodye Cruel Wales. Martinevans123 (talk) 09:29, 19 September 2015 (UTC)
 * Great! Then again, maybe the locals are right – after all, he’s been good at keeping secrets from an early age. JezGrove (talk) 10:14, 19 September 2015 (UTC)
 * I don't think you're allowed lemonade in Caersws on a Sunday. Martinevans123 (talk) 12:18, 22 September 2015 (UTC)
 * I hadn’t realised that waiting for the pubs in Wales to open was like  waiting for the end of the world. And there I was thinking that you were living in paradise! (Although I note that they repealed the law in ’61, which was a good year – and not just for the roses!) JezGrove (talk) 21:58, 22 September 2015 (UTC)
 * Yes, some parts are a bit dry. But this one was in the world top ten, apparently! Martinevans123 (talk) 22:06, 22 September 2015 (UTC)
 * Looks fantastic - I didn't spot that one in my battered out-of-date Rough Guide to Wales! Oops, forgotten my wallet (again!) - you couldn't get them in, could you? JezGrove (talk) 22:14, 22 September 2015 (UTC)
 * I guess you'll be having the draught, then. Martinevans123 (talk) 22:16, 22 September 2015 (UTC)
 * As long as you don't spike my drink! JezGrove (talk) 22:20, 22 September 2015 (UTC)
 * Little chance of that. Martinevans123 (talk) 22:27, 22 September 2015 (UTC)
 * Are you sure you haven't already? Because I can't stand up for falling down! JezGrove (talk) 22:38, 22 September 2015 (UTC)

Peggy Mount
A editor has added an info-box which I have deleted as pointless (basically duplication of stuff in the lead). I am a fan of useful info-boxes (cricketers, politicians etc) but I think those that just duplicate the lead make Wikipedia look rather amateurish, and are unnecessary clutter. But if you disagree, I shall not object if you restore the IB. Pray ponder.  Tim riley  talk    12:09, 22 September 2015 (UTC)
 * Hard to know if she's suitable material for a box or not. I could see arguments swinging both ways. Martinevans123 (talk) 12:14, 22 September 2015 (UTC)
 * My view is that many articles look incomplete and amateurish without an infobox. I know opinions differ, but there seemed absolutely nothing wrong (or pointless) in that case.  Ghmyrtle (talk) 12:21, 22 September 2015 (UTC)
 * Did someone say "Dry Rot"?? Never a dull moment at some articles, is there. Great to see the regular crowd suddenly breathing fire. Martinevans123 (talk) 14:27, 22 September 2015 (UTC)
 * Mind the stairs!  Tim riley  talk    17:28, 22 September 2015 (UTC)
 * How very considerate. I will try. Martinevans123 (talk) 21:00, 22 September 2015 (UTC)

Sadly missed opportunity for a DYK
Did you know ... that there's a town in Arizona that's a total wreck? EEng (talk) 17:18, 23 September 2015 (UTC)

September 2015
This is your only warning; if you vandalize Wikipedia again, as you did at Claudia Winkleman, you may be blocked from editing without further notice.


 * Aww, thanks. A friendly message from Claudia's Uncle Harry. Martinevans123 (talk) 21:53, 25 September 2015 (UTC)


 * Sky IP editors in Worcester are renowned for their friendliness.... PaleCloudedWhite (talk) 22:00, 25 September 2015 (UTC)


 * Hmmm, maybe our Claude didn't say she liked tonight's Cha-cha-cha?? Martinevans123 (talk) 22:04, 25 September 2015 (UTC)


 * My thoughts exactly. PaleCloudedWhite (talk) 22:06, 25 September 2015 (UTC)


 * "Don't know why, There's no sun up in the Worcester sky?" Martinevans123 (talk) 22:10, 25 September 2015 (UTC)


 * What a rebel, attacking an innocuous primetime TV presenter – do these people not realise that it’s all been done before? Of course, the earliest known example is of Aristophanes dissing a popular light entertainment act of his own day… (He beat Ben Elton to quite a few fart gags, too!) JezGrove (talk) 22:20, 25 September 2015 (UTC)


 * Indeed. Metalcore (Stairway to) Heaven? Martinevans123 (talk) 22:57, 25 September 2015 (UTC)

He's not even from Worcester --188.221.227.100 (talk) 21:04, 30 September 2015 (UTC)
 * Gosh, how terribly intriguing. You may have a watertight case there. Martinevans123 (talk) 21:11, 30 September 2015 (UTC)
 * This sounds a dark tale. Should I release The school leopard slug on these miscreants? Irondome (talk) 21:17, 30 September 2015 (UTC)
 * Who's not from Worcester, that's what I'd like to know? Could it be that the IP who geolocates to Worcester isn't from Worcester, or that the named editor who the IP claims not to be isn't from Worcester - but then how would they know? Ooh, it's a riddle! PaleCloudedWhite (talk) 21:22, 30 September 2015 (UTC)
 * Hahahahahaha. Well it beats having ip editors (who have been here for less than two years) nailed to the school walls, I guess. Our mysterious friend not-from Worcester is a bit of a Crowded House fan, it seems. Martinevans123 (talk) 21:26, 30 September 2015 (UTC)

Father Jackum's polyphonic retort generator
Enjoy .micro.dot.cotton (talk) 18:04, 26 September 2015 (UTC)
 * "OMFG". Not seen you for a while, Dot! I thought you'd been sent down for at least 30 years for giving Nasty Nick his last ever WP:GAR. But what a lovely musical gift! Hours of Manchester fun. lol. Martinevans123 (talk) 18:32, 26 September 2015 (UTC)
 * There's a lot of malicious tongues round 'ere, and you know me, I ain't one to gossip, but apparently Ethel's ghost still lurks in the corridors, and has been seen at night asking "where's my willy?" .micro.dot.cotton (talk) 19:16, 26 September 2015 (UTC)
 * Ooo, tongues-a-wagging, eh? That's the last thing you need, dearie. Martinevans123 (talk) 19:57, 26 September 2015 (UTC) ... but everyone needs a friendly ghost!
 * EEng (talk) 20:40, 26 September 2015 (UTC)
 * A great tool for all new users, I feel... "Big hello to big Father Jack Wayne, xylophone." Martinevans123 (talk) 21:24, 26 September 2015 (UTC) In years to come, future civilisations will say "Ah, so Wikipedia was useful, after all."

25-28
Morriston's finest. "Totes fab'lus and well tidy."


 * We invent all these sports - you can't expect us to play them well, too! (Dragon's protruding tongue duly noted - but doubtless no more than we deserve.) JezGrove (talk) 22:38, 26 September 2015 (UTC)
 * You do (well, maybe). You played well. We almost feel sorry for you(?) You can't beat a bit of Dragon's tongue now and again. Martinevans123 (talk) 22:48, 26 September 2015 (UTC)
 * So THAT'S the secret - centuries of sneaky practice before we even stole the game from you, you scoundrels! I've often enjoyed a pint or two (I know, I know... but then I'm not a Rugby fan) of that particular brewery's wares but inevitably woken up the next morning "feeling (insert chicken-based cliché here!)" Anyway, congratulations on your victory - and good luck for the rest of the tournament. JezGrove (talk) 23:08, 26 September 2015 (UTC)
 * Cheers, butt. Cwmaman's finest. Martinevans123 (talk)
 * I'm sure the England side will wake up 'over the moon' with Samuel L Jackson's words of wisdom ringing in their ears. (And my apologies, that should have been 'clichéd chicken-based homophone' above, shouldn't it - my standards are slipping, which is worrying considering how low they started out...) JezGrove (talk) 08:41, 27 September 2015 (UTC)
 * Have always enjoyed his commentary. But wouldn't be surprised to see Jules Winnfield getting called up as a centre at this rate... Martinevans123 (talk) 09:44, 27 September 2015 (UTC)
 * We might need him - we've got a mountain to climb and our hopes of clinging on in there are looking slim. JezGrove (talk) 10:38, 27 September 2015 (UTC)
 * Blimey! These Japs are pretty resilient, aren't they. I can see Group B is going to run and run. Martinevans123 (talk) 10:51, 27 September 2015 (UTC)
 * That's truly incredible - I'm half his age, and already I'm running on empty. JezGrove (talk) 11:05, 27 September 2015 (UTC)
 * If you're anything like me, you just pretend that you're still young. Martinevans123 (talk) 11:17, 27 September 2015 (UTC)
 * I certainly do. (Whilst trying to forget about passing under sleep's dark and silent gate.)  I saw Clyde perform For a Dancer as a tribute to James Honeyman-Scott (who had died the day before) at a very wet Glastonbury in '82 - from one pretender to another, I guess. The weekend tickets cost a shocking £8 - they were gouging us even back then! BTW, my own rendition of Here Come Those Tears Again usually lives up to the name (but not in a good way, unfortunately) JezGrove (talk) 11:54, 27 September 2015 (UTC)

Caipirinha
Did you intend to restore Caipinheger? Normally if something goes unsourced, with source requested, for four years, it would be removed. WP:V says "All quotations, and any material whose verifiability has been challenged or is likely to be challenged, must include an inline citation that directly supports the material." This has been challenged, and there is no inline citation that directly supports the material. Kendall-K1 (talk) 21:48, 28 September 2015 (UTC)
 * If there is a WP:RS, it should be restored. Who knows if that's four years of searching, or three years and 364 days of ignoring the tag? I guess you'll have formed a list of possible web candidates that fail WP:RS? Or have you just been thumbing through printed Portuguese cocktail recipe books? Martinevans123 (talk) 21:53, 28 September 2015 (UTC)
 * But  Caipinheger is still there? No-one's deleted it? It just needs a source? Martinevans123 (talk) 21:57, 28 September 2015 (UTC)
 * I deleted it. You restored it. I'm asking why, since that seems to violate WP policy. Kendall-K1 (talk) 22:54, 28 September 2015 (UTC)
 * Apologies. I intended to restore it with a source. (I also mistook the tense of your question to be conditional future, instead of past). I've now added two sources, although I have to admit they don't look very impressive. Do you have an interest in Caipirinha, or are you just deleting claims that have been tagged for a long time? I don't see that these claims are particularly contentious or problematic, not that policy makes any distinction? Martinevans123 (talk) 07:30, 29 September 2015 (UTC)
 * There are 19 WP:RSs listed at Cocktail, so I guess if someone was keen to improve the Caipirinha article they could try and check some, or all, of those. "Cheers". Martinevans123 (talk) 12:11, 29 September 2015 (UTC)

World (Cup) domination?
Hi Martin - set on world domination, I see! Give the rest of us a chance, will you? JezGrove (talk) 10:54, 1 October 2015 (UTC)
 * Being under brazil looks quite exciting! (But we don't really care, as long as we're above England, haha). Martinevans123 (talk) 11:18, 1 October 2015 (UTC)
 * 23-13? Phew! ... looked a bit fidgety at times there. But Wales' effort just gets bigger by the game. Martinevans123 (talk) 19:52, 1 October 2015 (UTC)
 * Well done against the FeeGees – I wonder how we’ll do against the Australians? (Not a comment on the selection criteria for ‘British’ sportsmen and women, just a feeble stretch on my part – though they did first become notable Down Under, so the Aussies can have them if the Yanks don’t claim them first!) I guess we’ll just have to wait and see whether (falsetto mandatory) it’s a tragedy or whether we can  scrape through to the next round. JezGrove (talk) 07:13, 2 October 2015 (UTC)
 * Yes, I wonder if there will be cause for celebration. Martinevans123 (talk) 07:24, 2 October 2015 (UTC)
 * Or maybe we'll be sick as a parrot JezGrove (talk) 08:19, 2 October 2015 (UTC)
 * They think it's all over.... JezGrove (talk) 22:36, 3 October 2015 (UTC)
 * "He uses his folly like a stalking-horse,
 * and under the presentation of that he shoots his wit."
 * - Will's Ghost, "As you don't Like it".
 * Q: Isn’t he a remarkable fellow, my lord? He’s as smart as they come, but just a jester.
 * A: He uses his clownishness to disguise his deadly wit. JezGrove (talk) 22:54, 3 October 2015 (UTC)
 * Shucks. rumbled again.
 * It's a shame that Owen "Vinnie" Farrell, who had played so well, got carried away with Old Git. At least one of the replays showed that the ball was actually nearby (even if it was in mid-air) when that shoulder came in. And Australia were not without a few of their own "wild tackles". I guess that's why we have the TMO. Even if the yellow card wasn't cast-iron, the penalty certainly was. And his departure did not really affect the outcome, I guess. Martinevans123 (talk) 09:58, 4 October 2015 (UTC)
 * Another victory - is there no competition you lot haven't got your eyes on? JezGrove (talk) 19:54, 6 October 2015 (UTC)
 * Um... maybe this one? Martinevans123 (talk) 19:59, 6 October 2015 (UTC)
 * Fair enough - though 'World Series' is a bit of a misnomer. Strange how our cousins across the Atlantic specialize in games only they play competitively. (Totally unfair of me - I believe they play baseball in Japan, too...) JezGrove (talk) 20:19, 6 October 2015 (UTC)
 * Ah yes, I think that's one of the reasons why WP:ITN is a constant battleground. Oh, and probably this one. Martinevans123 (talk) 20:39, 6 October 2015 (UTC)
 * Fools! It's clear that we should never have opened the floodgates by allowing Guy A. Sautter to compete in 1911! JezGrove (talk) 21:46, 6 October 2015 (UTC)
 * Hahaha. What wonderful trivia. Martinevans123 (talk) 21:48, 6 October 2015 (UTC)
 * Yes - you live and learn, and then you die and forget it all as they kept on reminding us on Radio 4 a while back. JezGrove (talk) 21:57, 6 October 2015 (UTC)
 * Yes, they're a jolly bunch over there. Martinevans123 (talk) 22:00, 6 October 2015 (UTC)
 * Oh well... better luck against the Seth Effricens! JezGrove (talk) 19:43, 10 October 2015 (UTC)
 * Yes, or "dem fookin' prawns" as they're known in our house. Over the line three times, but not even one try!? waa-da-fu'???Martinevans123 (talk) 19:55, 10 October 2015 (UTC)

James Joyce
I'm not sure why you reverted the IP at James Joyce as the article is Non serviam and non-serviam was a redlink until I just created it as a redirect. Cheers. --RexxS (talk) 21:24, 1 October 2015 (UTC)
 * It wasn't a red link when I reverted. I didn't quite see why non serviam was an improvement on non serviam . I must have assumed that the re-direct was already in place - because that's how it looked when I clicked on it. Very sorry if I have put you to any trouble. It's great that even Latin phrases, that would not normally be given an initial capital letter, have to have articles that use one, isn't it? Martinevans123 (talk) 21:37, 1 October 2015 (UTC)
 * If you like them lower case you can have it, even non serviam and amarcord, says the monster, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:43, 1 October 2015 (UTC)
 * That's odd, non-serviam (with a hyphen) was a redlink when I looked, so the IP's pipe non-serviam seemed an improvement. Oh well. It's all working now and the redirect is usable elsewhere. All those numerous places where we use that Latin expression, I mean. Best, --RexxS (talk) 21:49, 1 October 2015 (UTC)
 * Ah yes, I forgot. There was a hyphen. Which I evidently didn't even see. And we can't ever check if it was red, before you created the re-direct, can we, as now the re-direct exists, and means the red link is never there, when we look at past versions. Martinevans123 (talk) 22:02, 1 October 2015 (UTC)
 * Much better, I think, Gerda. As we already have three articles for books called Non serviam, I think lower case might indeed be preferable. Upper case letters can be so common ,I find. Did Lucifer ever use it with a capital letter, I wonder? Martinevans123 (talk) 21:55, 1 October 2015 (UTC)

Your recent edit
Your edit at Auden I have had to undo since you are attributing Harold Bloom's words to me. Though flattering, this is not any credit that I can take, so I need to do a friendly undo to restore proper attribution to Bloom. If you have any questions about the edit please bring them up here and I'll try to get make. Cheers. MusicAngels (talk) 20:18, 6 October 2015 (UTC)
 * But there is no need to revert the links I added, is there? I've restored the quote, although it's still very unclear to me who's quoting whom, and why. Poems, like songs, are generally given in quotes, not in italics, unless published as books in their own right. A better place for discussion might be at the article Talk Page. Thanks. Martinevans123 (talk) 20:36, 6 October 2015 (UTC)
 * You are again attributing the Bloom material to me which I have quoted correctly and which you are attributing as my words. Please return the quotes where I put them to properly attribute what Bloom has written. Regarding your comment about poems in Italic that is true in general, but that is not how Bloom wrote it in his quote, and the Bloom version is how he wanted it written.


 * Occassionally, a poem's name will also appear as the name of a book of poems, and in those cases when the book of poems is being referred to, then the Italic version is to be preferred. Please return the quote to the way Bloom wrote since that was and is his preference. Your added link are a benefit and you can certainly return them, I did the undo because your edit was not attributing Bloom's words to Bloom. Please return the quote marks, etc, as I requested, thanks. MusicAngels (talk) 20:43, 6 October 2015 (UTC)


 * I've copied this discussion over to Talk:W. H. Auden. I'll respond over there, thanks. Martinevans123 (talk) 20:49, 6 October 2015 (UTC)

Arnold Bax
Glad to see you keeping an eye on the Britten article. (It does attract the vandals and loonies doesn't it!) I wonder if your interest in 20th British music might extend to looking it at the peer review of Sir Arnold's article, which I'm hoping to take to FAC in due course. Quite understand if he doesn't appeal, naturally.  Tim riley  talk    20:28, 7 October 2015 (UTC)
 * Tim, I have skimmed through that article, and I must say it's a privilege to even be asked to review it, So thank you very much. Alas, am a bit tied for time at the moment with stuff in the "real world" (yes, I think it still exists), so any review I offer will probably be for very tiny spelling mistakes and missing links (if there are even any at all, of course)! I know so little about Bax, that reading it will be a complete education. Martinevans123 (talk) 21:22, 7 October 2015 (UTC) peer review? you're more likely to get an end of-the-pier revue from me.


 * What a pleasing message to read! You are very kind. Perfectly understand that RL has a way of muscling in from time to time, naturally. Best,  Tim riley  talk    08:05, 8 October 2015 (UTC)

You found the reference

 * How very kind. Those trusty old hardbacks - much more reliable than those troublesome on-line sources. Martinevans123 (talk) 23:07, 8 October 2015 (UTC)

Cecil (Again)
I see Cecil the lion has raised his head again - quite an achievement under the circumstances! (My own - rather smaller - rescue cat has no teeth and probably now has a fear of dentists, and I'm with him on that one!) 21:26, 14 October 2015 (UTC) JezGrove (talk) 21:26, 14 October 2015 (UTC)
 * I know, I can't bear it. What's he doing with big cats when he should be just repairing occluded canines?? Martinevans123 (talk) 21:31, 14 October 2015 (UTC)
 * Isn't there some dental version of the Hippocratic oath that means they have to tell the whole truth? Actually, on second thoughts, let's not start them thinking about hippos now that the lions are out-of-bounds... JezGrove (talk) 21:42, 14 October 2015 (UTC)
 * Jezza, mate, it's a jungle sometimes out there. I had a spell of almost intelligent Talk Page discussion, but then someone said they had nothing more to say to me which, judging by past contributions, will be a real bonus. Martinevans123 (talk) 21:51, 14 October 2015 (UTC)
 * Texas Lottery? You should be seriously considering your long-term investments in conjunction with an independent financial advisor or you'll be left with just | 25p! JezGrove (talk) 22:02, 14 October 2015 (UTC)
 * Good news! Your cunning investment plan has in fact left me with a whopping £4.04!! And that's without my promised PPI next refund nest-egg.Martinevans123 (talk) 22:09, 14 October 2015 (UTC)
 * I've a feeling that you're overlooking the non-negotiable £100 fee for my original investment advice, though! JezGrove (talk) 22:11, 14 October 2015 (UTC)
 * Minus the £4.04 - not sure what happened there! Should have been this, which looks the same to me.... JezGrove (talk) 22:16, 14 October 2015 (UTC)
 * Wow, you're a real pro, I see. Surprised you don't want my gold teeth too! Martinevans123 (talk) 22:28, 14 October 2015 (UTC) ...ah no, that was David Palmer, wasn't it, not Walter....

Re: Et nequeo sine te, sine vita viuere
I'm glad to have intrigued you! Well, it might be that I'm just playing with words, but I know a lot of wiki people so it can always happen that some edit of mine be paid back in smiles, hugs, kisses or even hospitality. I don't keep track of those, while I have a couple separate accounts for actual wiki jobs, see GLAM/BEIC and User:Federico Leva (WMIT). Nemo 15:31, 20 October 2015 (UTC)
 * Ah, how splendid. I had imagined you wheeling your cardboard boxes into the former Manchester Stock Exchange after a particularly fine improvement to the articles on Gary Neville and Ryan Giggs: . Martinevans123 (talk) 17:11, 20 October 2015 (UTC)

Why do you keep deleting my factual additions/improvements to the Freud article?
I see no reason to do this. — Preceding unsigned comment added by VivaElGeneralissmo (talk • contribs) 22:00, 20 October 2015 (UTC)


 * Do you know how to sign your posts yet? And can you please explain this wonderfully enlightening edit? Martinevans123 (talk) 22:02, 20 October 2015 (UTC)
 * And this completely apolitical, not ideological, neutral statement. Liz  <sup style="font-family:Times New Roman;"><b style="color:#006400;">Read!</b> <b style="color:#006400;">Talk!</b> 22:04, 20 October 2015 (UTC)
 * Wow, a real humdinger there. Martinevans123 (talk) 22:07, 20 October 2015 (UTC)

Kay Sage

 * Wow. Looks like Salvador Dalí, but without the onion. Martinevans123 (talk) 17:22, 21 October 2015 (UTC)
 * Yes, doesn't it? Do you think it is an allusion to Dickens? Have you read that? Hafspajen (talk) 15:06, 23 October 2015 (UTC)
 * It's so long since I read that book, I can only remember one of the cities. I think it was some terribly bleak place. But this looks like the sort of funereal landscape that would probably suit Jerry Cruncher. Sage is not a million miles away from Wolfgang Paalen, is she? And like him she ended up committing suicide. But if I had to describe the painting, I'd probably say something like ... "Like other works by American Surrealist Kay Sage, "I Saw Three Cities" is at once realistic and mysterious. Presiding over the haunting, abandoned landscape seen here is a guardian whose fluid drapery and sinuous curves recall those of the ancient Greek statue Nike of Samothrace. Sage’s sentinel lacks the Nike’s effervescence, however. Its drapery is animated, but its core remains rigid and static. This uncanny presence — neither dead nor alive, neither man nor woman — reflects the Surrealists’ fascination with robots and other forms of mechanization. Sage, whose husband was the French Surrealist Yves Tanguy, helped several French artists reach the United States after the outbreak of World War II." Martinevans123 (talk) 15:45, 23 October 2015 (UTC)


 * HM; from Wolfgang Paalen, that's new for me ... interesting guy. Though, surrealism doesn't seems to be to healthy, now, for artists. Any thoughts on an article? You look like found some stuff on it. Hafspajen (talk) 16:19, 23 October 2015 (UTC)
 * Such a bleak painting, I'd be surprisied if there was much more to say about it! But I'll keep looking. Martinevans123 (talk) 16:22, 23 October 2015 (UTC)
 * Hehe - Bleak ... well, maybe bleak, but rather suggestive. Hafspajen (talk) 16:30, 23 October 2015 (UTC)
 * Suggestive?? To me, it makes de Chirico look, comparatively, like someone from the Dutch Golden Age! Martinevans123 (talk) 17:59, 23 October 2015 (UTC)
 * But I like Giorgio!!! Hafspajen (talk) 10:37, 26 October 2015 (UTC)
 * Yes, he's a bundle of fun compared to Kay! Martinevans123 (talk) 10:43, 26 October 2015 (UTC)
 * So Freud and Dalí meet again for the first time since 1938 - and it happens on your Talk Page! JezGrove (talk) 18:48, 21 October 2015 (UTC)
 * How fascinating! I never knew.... at least I'm not the hostess with the mostess. Martinevans123 (talk) 18:53, 21 October 2015 (UTC)
 * But maybe it could be a good look for you? (Just don't let Mail Online get a snap of you "looking all grown up"!) JezGrove (talk) 19:09, 21 October 2015 (UTC)
 * Here's one they took earlier. Martinevans123 (talk) 19:13, 21 October 2015 (UTC) I think this is Haf's cute way of getting me to "saddle up and do some editing"...
 * Appropriately hilarious! I've avoided Facebook so far, but then I didn't realize they offered to arrange free bunion tending, so who knows what the future might hold! JezGrove (talk) 19:26, 21 October 2015 (UTC)
 * And again. Martinevans123 (talk) 15:48, 23 October 2015 (UTC)

This needs a wider audience
I put this on my talk to no response - maybe it'll get more of a laugh here. <b style="color:#7F007F">Ritchie333</b> <sup style="color:#7F007F">(talk) <sup style="color:#7F007F">(cont)  10:22, 22 October 2015 (UTC)
 * "Any mop will do"? Martinevans123 (talk) 10:35, 22 October 2015 (UTC)

John Wayne Gacy
Comment added by 86.44.130.53 (talk)‎ 17:05, 22 October 2015‎ (UTC):

John Wayne gacy: he was executed. He death wasn't homicide unless you are trying to say bullshit like the DEATH penalty is legal murder which it isn't. I suggest elimating bias and just say facts. We are wikipedia we don't take sides we report facts


 * "Homicide" means: "The killing of one person by another, whether premeditated or unintentional; killing another person." That's a fact. The death penalty is legal, in some places. It doesn't count as "murder", to most people. Martinevans123 (talk) 18:21, 22 October 2015 (UTC)

RVW
I say! That was quick: about thirty nanoseconds after I deposited my re-write in main space there you were, tweaking to excellent effect. You can't possibly wriggle out of clocking in at the peer review now, and giving my text a serious once-over. Ever thine, Tim -  Tim riley  talk    18:02, 24 October 2015 (UTC)
 * omg... I knew there would be a downside! Martinevans123 (talk) 18:10, 24 October 2015 (UTC)
 * Don't mention The Poisoned Kiss: it is my secret sorrow in re the Vaughan Williams article. When the Hickox recording came out, one critic wrote that it was like Gilbert and Sullivan – if Gilbert had written the music and Sullivan the words, but I have tried and tried, unsuccessfully to track down the quote for this article.  Tim riley  talk    18:46, 24 October 2015 (UTC)
 * Haha, that's very funny. Is that the only Richard Hickox connection? Maybe you can still sneak him in somewhere? Martinevans123 (talk) 18:54, 24 October 2015 (UTC)
 * Good point. Will do.  Tim riley  talk    19:28, 24 October 2015 (UTC)

Rocket men!
An odd pairing - do you think it's their taste (?!) in earrings that brings them together? JezGrove (talk) 22:52, 25 October 2015 (UTC)
 * Not just the fur coats and high heels, then? I feel sorry for Rosberg. Martinevans123 (talk) 23:43, 25 October 2015 (UTC)
 * Very good! One of my favourite examples of a weird fact on WP that turns out to be absolutely true is that Lewis Hamilton took up unicycling at the age of 12 because Rosberg could already do it and he didn’t want to be outdone. (As I’m not a fan of the sport, I really can’t remember how I came across that one….) JezGrove (talk) 11:32, 26 October 2015 (UTC)
 * Well, you know what they say... "a female wiki editor needs a male wiki editor like a fish needs a unicycle." Martinevans123 (talk) 11:43, 26 October 2015 (UTC)
 * Probably even less than that by all accounts. JezGrove (talk) 14:58, 26 October 2015 (UTC)
 * It seems our efforts towards equality are just a drop in the ocean (well, perhaps in its circulation, anyway...) Martinevans123 (talk) 16:50, 26 October 2015 (UTC)

A drink For You



 * Perhaps we ought to also go with a wee dram with that tartan-clad green lady| Martinevans123 (talk) 11:07, 26 October 2015 (UTC)
 * Or some weird horse. Hafspajen (talk) 11:32, 26 October 2015 (UTC)
 * Ah yes, or even with old Grey Mary as she's known in South Wales. Martinevans123 (talk) 13:02, 26 October 2015 (UTC)

Alice Roberts
The source given by Rodw does not support the claim that Alice attended Westbury C-of-E Primary (in fact it doesn't identify her primary school at all) so it doesn't support the information given in the article. Friends Reunited is therefore a better source for that fact.

Other editors have suggested that Friends Reunited is a problematic source. While not ideal, I contend that it is acceptable given that the information is not contentious. See the Alice Roberts Talk page for further discussion. Friends Reunited requires a login, not a subscription. A better source (perhaps you can find one) would be open access, not self-published, and would (unlike the edit I reverted) actually contain the information it purports to. Kind regards 2.221.46.231 (talk) 12:29, 27 October 2015 (UTC)


 * So how many primary schools are there actually in Westbury-on-Trym? I would have thought the phrase "went to school in Westbury-on-Trym" from the Bristol Post does indeed support, if not entirely, a claim that Roberts attended Westbury C-of-E Primary. Yes Friends Reunited is indeed a problematic source and, for those who do not wish to "subscribe", is quite useless. One can't even judge the context in which the information is given? I actually opened that discussion thread in November last year (when I even defended the use of Friends Reunited as a source). Perhaps you'd care to add something there? It's hard to tell if you have contributed there before or not. Thanks. Martinevans123 (talk) 12:47, 27 October 2015 (UTC)


 * I don't know how many primary schools are in Westbury-on-Trym, but Alice's secondary school is located there. That means that a statement that she attended school in Westbury doesn't necessarily imply that her primary school was also in Westbury. The Friends Reunited reference is unambiguous.


 * A reference to a paper textbook (if unavailable online) is only useful to somebody who owns the book, but such references are acceptable to Wikipedia, as are sites behind subscription paywalls. Friends Reunited is more accessible than either of those categories.


 * Thank you again for opening the discussion thread on Talk:Alice_Roberts - I didn't recognize your user name initially. I have contributed to the discussion there previously, and may do so again.


 * I've reverted your edit on the basis that a poor reference - even one requiring a login - is better than none.


 * Kind regards 2.221.46.231 (talk) 13:02, 27 October 2015 (UTC)


 * I think it might be better if WP:SPS didn't also apply. One can claim whatever one likes on FR and, as far as I know, there is no editorial checking whatsoever. That said, I don't know why Alice herself would want to make an erroneous claim about a primary school like that. I hope you decide to create a user account, that would certainly make continuous collaboration easier. Martinevans123 (talk) 13:13, 27 October 2015 (UTC)


 * Thanks, and thanks for clarifying the source access. Re: WP:SPS regarding "Self-published or questionable sources as sources on themselves" it seems that all five criteria are met in this instance.


 * I may well create a user account at some point, but it's just so hard to find a good name that's not already taken!


 * Kind regards 2.221.46.231 (talk) 13:39, 27 October 2015 (UTC)


 * I found a really good name. But I had to add a few numbers. Martinevans123 (talk) 13:51, 27 October 2015 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

 * Haha, thanks! That's nearly my one millionth barnstar (well, not quite). Martinevans123 (talk) 22:16, 29 October 2015 (UTC)

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Patrick Moore
I met Patrick Moore at a book signing and have got a signed copy of one of his books. Out of all of the people that I have written about on Wikipedia, he is the only one that I have actually met. Today's strange but true fact.-- ♦Ian Ma c M♦  (talk to me) 20:39, 30 October 2015 (UTC)
 * How amazing! Shame you didn't have a camera handy (although that can be so embarrassing). Oh, I could name names you know, old boy.... (but then I'd have to return all those lovely editing fees). Martinevans123 (talk) 20:45, 30 October 2015 (UTC)
 * Considering all of the biographical articles that I have edited, it is remarkable that Patrick Moore is the only one that I have met. Then again, he did a lot of book signings. In the past, I have been accused of being pro or anti various people that I have never met.-- ♦Ian Ma c M♦  (talk to me) 20:49, 30 October 2015 (UTC)
 * Haha! As if that would stop you (or me) being a pro or an anti! But, as you are begging me to tell you.... I have the same sort of signed books from this landlord and this explorer. I've also met a lot of psychos like this one, this one, this one and many more! But I've actually shaken this guy's magnificent hand and the thrill of that moment has certainly not gone. Martinevans123 (talk) 21:06, 30 October 2015 (UTC) ... oh and I once served Frank Bough a whisky and water. A man with a very loud voice, incidentally. oh, and I used to drink in the same pub as this guy and this guy, if that counts as "meeting"....
 * And here is the signature inside the book. This was in 1993, which amazingly is now over 20 years ago.-- ♦Ian Ma c M♦  (talk to me) 21:11, 30 October 2015 (UTC)
 * If that was mine I probably would have tried to add it to his info box by now! Martinevans123 (talk) 21:16, 30 October 2015 (UTC)
 * It could be added to the infobox, but I'm not sure how necessary this is for an average article. Biographical articles don't generally have the person's signature, although articles about US Presidents regard them as a must-have.-- ♦Ian Ma c M♦  (talk to me) 21:23, 30 October 2015 (UTC)
 * Yes, a bit of a strange thing, I think, if the person isn't a writer. Maybe an image of Moore's telescope xylophone would be more meaningful. Martinevans123 (talk) 21:28, 30 October 2015 (UTC)

Rolf Harris
I claim no knowledge of the English judicial system, but are you absolutely certain English High Court judges are called "Judge Mr/Mrs Justice"? From what I can tell, the court document on for Sweeney's remarks on Rolf Harris and on High Court judge (England and Wales), they just use "Mr/Mrs Justice", and don't have an extra "Judge" in front. Cannolis (talk) 17:59, 1 November 2015 (UTC)
 * That's how I've always seen it, at least on first usage. If it's already clear, by means of context or explanation, that he was the judge, maybe it could be omitted. That source looks pretty clear and official. I won't revert you again, but it might be better to raise the question at the article Talk Page? Cheers. Martinevans123 (talk) 18:04, 1 November 2015 (UTC)
 * I think it might be a combination of the American title with the English one. This is the first mention of Sweeney in the article so I completely agree with you that it's helpful to clarify that he was the judge. Would you be okay with leaving it there but de-capitalizing judge so as to make it not sound like part of his title? Happy to go to the talk page of course, but this doesn't seem so controversial that two people can't just hash it out easily. Cannolis (talk) 18:15, 1 November 2015 (UTC)
 * Hi Cannolis. Sorry, I must have missed your reply here. Your change at the article looks fine to me. Thanks. Martinevans123 (talk) 23:01, 1 November 2015 (UTC) I'm sure you can claim at least some knowledge of the English judicial system?!
 * Great, thanks! I guess I can claim a tiny bit now after reading the the wiki article on English High Court judges. That show looks amazing, and now I will imagine all English judges to be this fantastic. Cannolis (talk) 13:55, 2 November 2015 (UTC)
 * If only. "Isn’t there an operetta called La Gazza Ladra?" Martinevans123 (talk) 14:16, 2 November 2015 (UTC)
 * That is better than I could have imagined. Cannolis (talk) 22:01, 2 November 2015 (UTC)
 * Haha. For most of us in the UK, it's worse. But then, the Daily Mail often outstrips one's imagination. Martinevans123 (talk) 22:04, 2 November 2015 (UTC)

5 million

 * Wow, nice logo!! Shame we haven't got that one in the top corner of every page (or even if we saw a different one every time we refreshed...) But many thanks anyway! I guess we can all now look forward to next year. Martinevans123 (talk) 18:16, 1 November 2015 (UTC)


 * I couldn't let that logo be not-used, so... Eman 235 / talk  18:35, 1 November 2015 (UTC)


 * Well, knowing Billy as I do, that certainly makes me smile. I actually thought that all the logos were really good and all deserved to be used! Martinevans123 (talk) 18:42, 1 November 2015 (UTC)

You've lost your toc
Wot! No TOC? — Gareth Griffith-Jones  The Welsh Buzzard:  Cardiff born and bred  — 18:05, 2 November 2015 (UTC)
 * Really?! I thought it was at the top? When did you see it last?? Martinevans123 (talk) 18:16, 2 November 2015 (UTC)
 * I should call these people if I were you. — &#124; Gareth Griffith-Jones &#124; The Welsh Buzzard&#124; — 13:26, 3 November 2015 (UTC)
 * I must admit, Gareth, your comments have left me even more befuddled than usual. Martinevans123 (talk) 13:34, 3 November 2015 (UTC)


 * Just so long as you don't lose your toque. That would be a real shame. Softlavender (talk) 13:50, 3 November 2015 (UTC)
 * I'll try. But I'm usually torn between one of these and one of these. Martinevans123 (talk) 13:57, 3 November 2015 (UTC)


 * But have you lost your touch? That, my dear people, is the main thing. The worrying thing. Softlavender (talk) 09:13, 4 November 2015 (UTC)

Allegra Versace
If you want to, you can take a look at the article about Allegra Versace. That article is this weeks TAFI.--BabbaQ (talk) 22:23, 2 November 2015 (UTC)
 * How wonderfully generous of you. I've had quite a few friends who were notable dressers. Martinevans123 (talk) 22:27, 2 November 2015 (UTC) A TAFI you say? I wouldn't want to take out too much.

Flowery Twats, anyone?
"I say, Faulty, all this gender gap nonsense has just gone too far" ! Martinevans123 (talk) 23:15, 2 November 2015 (UTC)
 * Could be a er... "cunning stunt" to attract publicity. (Though they may need to prepare for a 'pubic lice' outbreak if they're still using Google Translate...) JezGrove (talk) 11:06, 3 November 2015 (UTC)
 * Haha. "Stuck in a Hole"? Martinevans123 (talk) 11:14, 3 November 2015 (UTC)

Gentle warning...
Don't look at any of Pizzarelli's album articles. You'll say goodbye to the next week. Passion Guitars/Passionate Guitars anyone? Who created all these? Seriously great player though! Gareth E Kegg (talk) 23:21, 2 November 2015 (UTC)
 * Yes he is. And no I won't (possibly)! Martinevans123 (talk) 23:25, 2 November 2015 (UTC) .. and can also sing a bit, you know. A wonderful musician.

The pleasure of your company is requested
Patrons of this page are cordially invited to the grand opening of a new wing of the museums. EEng (talk) 13:46, 4 November 2015 (UTC)
 * How very thrilling. One hopes it is truly a Monstrous carbuncle. Martinevans123 (talk) 13:50, 4 November 2015 (UTC)
 * Jeez, EEng, watching Titanic once was enough. Softlavender (talk) 15:11, 4 November 2015 (UTC)
 * You can still enjoy the comparative coastal shallows of his Talk Page? Martinevans123 (talk) 15:38, 4 November 2015 (UTC)

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 * Yeah, whatevs, bot. Just shove a cork in it, will ya? Martinevans123 (talk) 13:10, 6 November 2015 (UTC)
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 * Right!! That's it! It's AN/I for you, you scabby android replicant! Martinevans123 (talk) 13:30, 6 November 2015 (UTC)
 * If you weren't so damnably ambiguous, Martin, I wouldn't need to keep cropping up here. DLP bot (talk) 13:36, 6 November 2015 (UTC)
 * You're enough to drive anyone to seppuku !! Martinevans123 (talk) 13:45, 6 November 2015 (UTC)
 * "How very R2D2 !" Martinevans123 (talk) 13:54, 6 November 2015 (UTC)

Winter Tales
Hafspajen (talk) 12:57, 14 November 2015 (UTC) :Corrr! That Beth Torbert's a bit tasty. She could keep me company on a winter's night. — &#124; Gareth Griffith-Jones &#124; The Welsh Buzzard&#124; — 12:03, 22 November 2015 (UTC)

You are welcome
You might want to clean up (Marie's the Name) His Latest Flame, which was recorded the same day. Einar aka Carptrash (talk) 20:25, 6 November 2015 (UTC)
 * PS, do you know the joke about the Louis Agassiz statue pictured above? It seems that Agassiz was much better in the abstract than in the concrete.  yuk, yuk. Carptrash (talk) 20:27, 6 November 2015 (UTC)
 * I will treasure that. Martinevans123 (talk) 20:30, 6 November 2015 (UTC)
 * I recently ordered, and am starting to receive, box sets (very cheap, c. US$10 each) of the music of Pomus, Shuman. Mann, Weil, Goffin, King (I already have a good Lieber, Stoller collection) - each is 3 CD, about 25 songs per, but there are no notes. So I am going through them all writing my own notes.  Every now and then I get diverted into wikipedia to make some edits.  Like now. so . . . ...  welcome to my life. Carptrash (talk) 20:51, 6 November 2015 (UTC)
 * Hey that's so cool! Some great song-writing partnerships there. I'd love to know where that stage name came from. The wiki redirect is a bit unexpected! Martinevans123 (talk) 20:57, 6 November 2015 (UTC)
 * As I've said to another editor who knows about these things, the article on Leiber and Stoller needs a lot of work, and I've sort of said I'll do something about it some time. I shall don appropriate garb, of course.... but if anyone would like to help..........    Ghmyrtle (talk) 20:34, 9 November 2015 (UTC)
 * Ah-ha. I thought we'd be hearing from the Chepstow Chapter before too long... Martinevans123 (talk) 20:53, 9 November 2015 (UTC)

Walkers on the Wild Side
Hello, I'm Chris Peter. I wanted to let you know that I undid one or more of your recent contributions because it did not appear constructive. If you would like to experiment, please use the sandbox. If you think I made a mistake, or if you have any questions, you can leave me a message on my talk page. Thanks. --Chris Peter
 * Mr Peter, is there some explanation for this high-handed, hideous and harassing intervention?? I'm "all ears". Martinevans123 (talk) 10:03, 9 November 2015 (UTC)

TAFI
If you want to, take a look at the article about Marie Serneholt which is this weeks TAFI article. Regards.--BabbaQ (talk) 19:42, 9 November 2015 (UTC)
 * OMG. Not another God Damn Woman?! Martinevans123 (talk) 19:52, 9 November 2015 (UTC)

YGM
Thanks, Martin, I've now sent you my reply to your reply. Please feel free to delete this when you've read it. Tlhslobus (talk) 21:55, 9 November 2015 (UTC)
 * "The crate of tinned peaches you sent were very much to Sir Henry's liking." Martinevans123 (talk) 22:02, 9 November 2015 (UTC) ... will try and send you some of Sister Dolly's upside-down cakes when I get the chance, (nudge nudge)

Eh-oh!
Hi Martin, a bit of a strange one... I’ve rather haphazardly come across a page but happen to know its subject socially. (The circles I move in…!) We’re absolutely by no means 'besties' but she's a close friend-of-a-friend I'm still occasionally in touch with (and have known since infant school! - I'll be posting a birthday card later this week...) and I’d feel uncomfortable tagging the article myself (single reference, and perhaps on the promotional side of encyclopedic) but maybe you’d be able to give it the benefit of your much vaster experience? Or maybe I should just channel my inner child and let it go?! JezGrove (talk) 22:53, 9 November 2015 (UTC)
 * Ahhh, how touching. That's so sweet. Well, I'll try and have a look. Otherwise, I guess you could always blackmail her? Martinevans123 (talk) 22:56, 9 November 2015 (UTC)
 * Bizarrely, I happen to live in Royston Vasey - we even have a (very recently-opened) shop that says it's 'a local shop for local people', though I'm not sure how well they thought that marketing slogan through...! (And I knew the cartoonist Royston, who occasionally appears in Private Eye, at our mutual unprestigious university - in fact he's married to an ex-girlfriend of mine, so I guess it's official - I'm the least famous person I know!) JezGrove (talk) 23:25, 9 November 2015 (UTC)
 * How chilling. You'll be telling us next you've appeared on Blackpool North Pier. Martinevans123 (talk)
 * I was coming to that... JezGrove (talk) 23:38, 9 November 2015 (UTC)
 * Not to mention ... Bethlehem, Pennsylvania: . Martinevans123 (talk) 00:10, 10 November 2015 (UTC)

Meanwhile
In between kicking lumps out of each other chez Sibelius, I have RVW at FAC, and any comments you might care to make would be welcome there. Also, having had productive dealings recently on Peggy Mount I wonder if I can interest you in Sybil Thorndike, who is my next candidate for an overhaul with FAC in mind? Pray ponder. Quite understand if you aren't interested, natch.  Tim riley  talk    21:17, 10 November 2015 (UTC)
 * Any comments?! I'm feeling a little waspish right now, alas! If only I could somehow escape the box wars... Martinevans123 (talk) 21:24, 10 November 2015 (UTC)
 * I leave anything cube-shaped to your discretion, but a waspish view of any article at FAC is ideal. One wants the most rigorous scrutiny. But there is no hurry, and if you like to look in a day or so hence that will be excellent.  Tim riley  talk    21:31, 10 November 2015 (UTC)
 * I'm sure by the time I get there it will be excellent already. Martinevans123 (talk) 21:46, 10 November 2015 (UTC)
 * (watching with interest:) with a little magic the cubes have round corners, and show flowers and art ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:35, 10 November 2015 (UTC)
 * Indeed. Martinevans123 (talk) 21:46, 10 November 2015 (UTC)
 * You're brave Tim. before you know it the FAC will become a "No infobox, really? discussion!♦ Dr. Blofeld  16:16, 11 November 2015 (UTC)
 * Please excuse my dear friend "User:Dr. Blo-it-out-ur-ass-Feld". He's getting tunnel vision. Martinevans123 (talk) 16:21, 11 November 2015 (UTC)
 * N.B: the above comment is intended as a "play on words" NOT as some kind of match for Dr Ass-feld's editing ability or even as an allusion to some kind of strange sexual fetish. Thankyou. Martinevans123 (talk) 23:40, 12 November 2015 (UTC) ... love that German commentary!!
 * p.s. if you have any ideas of how you'd like to be insulted, at this Talk Page or any other, please email usual PO box - "I carry a xylophone and I'm not afraid to use it".

"Readers come first" is the secret slogan of my favourite candidate for arb, DYK? If not, see my user page, haven't campaigned since the (unsuccessful) RfA of Mkativerata. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 10:35, 24 November 2015 (UTC)
 * Yes, a novel idea, I feel. Many thanks, Gerda. Martinevans123 (talk) 10:58, 24 November 2015 (UTC)
 * Yes, how different the Sibeliusing would be with that in mind, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 11:21, 24 November 2015 (UTC)
 * I searched for "everyone is an expert" and I found this. Says it all, I feel. Martinevans123 (talk) 11:27, 24 November 2015 (UTC)
 * --Gerda Arendt (talk) 11:34, 24 November 2015 (UTC)

Toussaint
Good work! I would do more there myself, but not for a few days I suspect. Still, I'm happy to let you catch up.... Curses.....!! Ghmyrtle (talk) 23:07, 11 November 2015 (UTC)
 * Haha, what a challenge. I think we both know that, of all the meaningless statistics at Wikipedia, that one is one of the most meaningless! (.. won't stop me trying, of course). Allen Toussaint a really nice guy. Notice to Appear with John Mayall one of my favourite albums. Martinevans123 (talk) 23:16, 11 November 2015 (UTC)
 * Special dedication corner: People fly high begin to lose sight, You can't see very clearly when you're in flight. Martinevans123 (talk) 21:32, 13 November 2015 (UTC)

Dr John
Why did you revert? :) ~ P-123 (talk) 11:35, 12 November 2015 (UTC)
 * Hi P-123. Sincere apologies, it was a random error, so please ignore. I often get a late jump in my watchlist/ edit history at the moment I make a mouse insert. I put this down to slow rendering on my computer. Or maybe it's caused by a slow update from the database, I'm really not sure. Some of my unintended reverts are much more embarrassing - a partial bi-product of having a watchlist in dire need of pruning! So again, sorry about that. :) "M-123" (talk) 11:44, 12 November 2015 (UTC)
 * I lurve the snazzy new signature, dahling. — &#124; Gareth Griffith-Jones &#124; The Welsh Buzzard&#124; — 13:22, 12 November 2015 (UTC)
 * I'll have no truck with your flagrant and audacious schmoozin'! Martinevans123 (talk) 13:29, 12 November 2015 (UTC)


 * That's okay! Explains my puzzlement! (Am now playing . – he's as good as ever, :) ~ P-123 (talk) 13:40, 12 November 2015 (UTC)
 * I am enjoying the great sound too. — &#124; Gareth Griffith-Jones &#124; The Welsh Buzzard&#124; — 13:51, 12 November 2015 (UTC)
 * Never fails to please. Dr. John Plays Mac Rebennack (1981) one of my personal favourites. Even handy in a cap and gown. RIP Allen. Martinevans123 (talk) 13:54, 12 November 2015 (UTC)

To canvass or not to canvass
Sometimes it does not pay to canvass ... — &#124; Gareth Griffith-Jones &#124; The Welsh Buzzard&#124; — 13:51, 12 November 2015 (UTC)
 * Whoops. We used to have a few laughs. But not seen him for quite a while. Martinevans123 (talk) 14:03, 12 November 2015 (UTC)
 * ...and there are below.  Like that moment you're sitting at home wondering why so-and-so hasn't called, and then there goes the phone!   Cassianto <sup style="font-family:Papyrus;">Talk   20:17, 12 November 2015 (UTC)
 * "Well lay back and relax while I put away the dishes". Martinevans123 (talk) 20:55, 12 November 2015 (UTC)
 * She is a dish. — &#124; Gareth Griffith-Jones &#124; The Welsh Buzzard&#124; — 09:18, 13 November 2015 (UTC)
 * Jack agrees. Martinevans123 (talk) 09:32, 13 November 2015 (UTC)


 * What does Jack mean by, "... washing dishes singing from the bottom ..."? — &#124; Gareth Griffith-Jones &#124; The Welsh Buzzard&#124; — 10:21, 27 November 2015 (UTC)
 * Hmm, the dark art of Monsieur le Plongeur. I guess we might have to ask Eric Arthur about that one .... Although, at one stage, I think he claims to be crooning from the bottom of the garden?? Unless, of course, it's one of those cases of misheard lyrics, like "Take the gibbon from your hair, Shake it loose and let it fall..., etc etc ? Martinevans123 (talk) 10:55, 27 November 2015 (UTC)

Views
Hey,

I remember doing work with you before here and found you quite helpful. What are your thoughts of the Skyfall page saying the gross is 1,100 million instead of 1 billion? Four editors claim for it that it was to avoid any confusion from people who use the old billion (million million) in the UK, instead 1,000 million like the US, which the UK adapted 40ish years ago?

There has been a little fight for a while to get it moved back to a billion, just like loads and loads of other pages have it. But currently at a mild standstill due to four editors on one side, and four on another. I am for the change back to a billion in gross, would you be interested in helping to be a fifth? I for one, was taught 1,000 million to be a billion, and not a million million, which most of UK would have been also due to billion being adopted as 1,000 million 40 years ago.

Would be greatly helpful to move discussion from more than a 'talk' but to an actual finalised consensus which can be used, and let that be the end of it.

Let me know! Charlr6 (talk) 20:08, 12 November 2015 (UTC)


 * 1,000 million and 40 years ago is a very long time, isn't it. So I'd certainly go with that. But I'm all for standardisation, so maybe a global conversion to Indonesian rupiah would be the way to go - a much more impressive 15,099,221,156,740 IDR?? Martinevans123 (talk) 21:05, 12 November 2015 (UTC)
 * Hah! as Al voiced so well. — &#124; Gareth Griffith-Jones &#124; The Welsh Buzzard&#124; — 09:14, 13 November 2015 (UTC)


 * "This is a local Talk Page for local people. We'll have no smelly old women here, thank you." Martinevans123 (talk) 09:27, 13 November 2015 (UTC)

St. Martin's Day

 * HHAHAHA!!Hafspajen (talk) 15:22, 19 November 2015 (UTC)

My actions at Metrojet Flight 9268
Hi Martin. I would be interested in your take on Administrators' noticeboard. --John (talk) 19:11, 20 November 2015 (UTC)
 * Hmm. As predicted, conditions still seem a little stormy over there, don't they. I'll try and think of something civil to say. Martinevans123 (talk) 19:33, 20 November 2015 (UTC)

ArbCom elections are now open!
MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 16:35, 23 November 2015 (UTC)

Oh! ... I found some of these whilst rummaging ... sorry, I mean these little beauties—would they do? — &#124; Gareth Griffith-Jones &#124; The Welsh Buzzard&#124; — 10:49, 24 November 2015 (UTC)
 * Gosh. How exciting. You must be terribly important. — &#124; Gareth Griffith-Jones &#124; The Welsh Buzzard&#124; — 16:47, 23 November 2015 (UTC)
 * Yes, it's only me voting this year. So I'll be taking bribes. Please take a ticket from the counter, unless you have cash. Thanks. Martinevans123 (talk) 16:53, 23 November 2015 (UTC)
 * Trust you are not talking about points. — &#124; Gareth Griffith-Jones &#124; The Welsh Buzzard&#124; — 17:07, 23 November 2015 (UTC)
 * Um, I'd prefer luncheon vouchers, as I can use them on my next visit to Streatham. Martinevans123 (talk) 10:57, 24 November 2015 (UTC)
 * I gave you a gem (above) - before even reading this. Will that do? - I voted, no offers needed in return. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 11:20, 24 November 2015 (UTC)
 * I'm sure that will do nicely, Gerda. Although I may be a bit tied up for the next couple of weeks. Martinevans123 (talk) 11:47, 24 November 2015 (UTC)

Fruit and Veg
I don't care whether the peaches were to Sir Henry's liking or not, as it's far more critical to know whether the consignment of cucumbers was to Lady Henrietta's satisfaction. This message will not self-destruct without assistance from the recipient. Tlhslobus (talk) 08:11, 25 November 2015 (UTC)
 * Lady H. was completely satisfied, I can assure you. Which is more than could be said for the cats. Martinevans123 (talk) 08:50, 25 November 2015 (UTC)
 * Our would like that. — &#124; Gareth Griffith-Jones &#124; The Welsh Buzzard&#124; — 10:24, 25 November 2015 (UTC)
 * Yes indeed. How do I find these links? They just sort of come to me. Martinevans123 (talk) 12:05, 25 November 2015 (UTC)

Votre commentaire
Would that be the one about City Hall? Sca (talk) 23:02, 25 November 2015 (UTC)


 * Revert? Sca (talk)


 * "You can't fight a bizarre Easter egg" - CityHall123 (talk) 08:51, 26 November 2015 (UTC)
 * Не понимаю. Sca (talk) 15:17, 26 November 2015 (UTC)
 * это моя хитрый намерение Martinevans123 (talk) 15:23, 26 November 2015 (UTC)

Thank you kindly
I've never been one for quilting or weaving, so I'll leave the banner out of it for now. :-) -- Ser Amantio di Nicolao Che dicono a Signa?Lo dicono a Signa. 00:50, 28 November 2015 (UTC)

Ghettopoly
After a rummage in the archive, I found this photograph of Ghettopoly which I took at an open air market stall in 2005. It points out that the game was banned on eBay as it was considered to be racially offensive. It was £10 which I thought was a lot at the time, but today I wish I'd bought it, as mint condition examples are worth a lot of money. Don't expect to see it on Antiques Roadshow though.-- ♦Ian Ma c M♦  (talk to me) 09:10, 29 November 2015 (UTC)
 * I hope we see that photo added to the article! Or perhaps WMF can buy the rights from you? Unless, of course, it's one of those clever Chinese fakes. Martinevans123 (talk) 09:54, 29 November 2015 (UTC)
 * I was thinking about adding it. What do you think the licensing should be?-- ♦Ian Ma c M♦  (talk to me) 09:57, 29 November 2015 (UTC)
 * LIke this one, I guess. With some kind of fair use rationale? Except it's hardly a commercial concern any longer, is it. Martinevans123 (talk) 10:02, 29 November 2015 (UTC)


 * DYK? In January 2010, eBay banned the sale of a Dad's Army board game because there were swastikas on the box. All together now, "Who do you think you are kidding, Mr. Hitler?"-- ♦Ian Ma c M♦  (talk to me) 09:19, 29 November 2015 (UTC)
 * Haha, how wonderful. "He said ______* was “run by a system, by robots, with no brain who probably just vet the content without looking into anything properly”, adding: ”It's moronic." (...* please fill in encyclopedia name of your choice.) Martinevans123 (talk) 09:50, 29 November 2015 (UTC)
 * Here is a more detailed look at the Dad's Army board game from 1974. The triangular flags are clearly based on the opening sequence of the show. Even the ultra-politically correct BBC has not banned the opening sequence of Dad's Army and still shows it in its original form. The only Dad's Army episode to be banned (sort of) was Absent Friends from 1970, which sat on the shelf until 2012 because it featured a member of the IRA as a character. It Ain't Half Hot Mum has been less lucky, as the BBC has declined to show it for years, much to Jimmy Perry's annoyance.-- ♦Ian Ma c M♦  (talk to me) 18:04, 29 November 2015 (UTC)
 * What do we do? Airbrush all swastikas out of the history books? Sweep the Afrikaner Broederbond under the ANC carpet? Pretend there's no such thing as the KKK? But I see It Ain't Half Hot Mum hasn't even got a section on "controversy". Maybe it's just old fashioned? Martinevans123 (talk) 18:13, 29 November 2015 (UTC)
 * The article It Ain't Half Hot Mum should point out that the BBC has refused to broadcast any episodes for years, and that this has annoyed Jimmy Perry. However, in November 2015, the BBC said that it would be available for download.-- ♦Ian Ma c M♦  (talk to me) 18:21, 29 November 2015 (UTC)
 * Yes, I think it probably should. Martinevans123 (talk) 18:30, 29 November 2015 (UTC)

Red Barn Murder
Murder in the Red Barn - Please explain why you have removed my edit. Peter Maggs Peter Maggs 15:49, 3 December 2015 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Peter Maggs (talk • contribs)
 * Did you miss the edit summary? Martinevans123 (talk) 16:14, 3 December 2015 (UTC)
 * No, but I did not understand it; as a very occasional Wikipedia editor, obviously I have missed something. What do you mean by a secondary source? Peter Maggs 16:55, 3 December 2015 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Peter Maggs (talk • contribs)
 * My edit summary said this: "don't you need a secondary source, especially with a user name like that?" So I had two points. 1. With a new book I think it's usual to use a secondary source, not just the book itself, to establish its notability. 2. As you have the same name as the author I was guessing there might be some kind of conflict of interest, in terms of promoting your own book. Thanks. Martinevans123 (talk) 17:09, 3 December 2015 (UTC) p.s. I see you have been editing here for ten years - did you know you should sign your posts using four tildes? Cheers.
 * Thanks, useful comments. Actually I always sign my post with four tildas and I always, nevertheless, seem to get the message 'unsigned'. I don't understand what I am doing wrong...Peter Maggs 22:13, 3 December 2015 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Peter Maggs (talk • contribs)
 * Perhaps you need to use Uncle Ben's?? Martinevans123 (talk) 22:16, 3 December 2015 (UTC)
 * I only ever eat Basmatti rice... Here's an idea: clearly you have an interest in the Red Barn murder. Why don't you check out my website www.mirlibooks.com where there are some extracts from my new book; if you think it merits it, link it to the Wikipedia page. I believe my research significantly adds to the knowledge we have on the murder of Maria Martin. Peter Maggs 17:28, 5 December 2015 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Peter Maggs (talk • contribs)
 * Ah yes, that explains it, but you always forgetting to sign is quite sad. But thanks for the message. What's all this about Donald McCormick manufacturing evidence in his 1967 book? Martinevans123 (talk) 17:32, 5 December 2015 (UTC)
 * The evidence and an explanation is here, about half way down the page http://www.mirlibooks.com/extract-from-murder-in-the-red-barn.html --Peter Maggs 11:58, 6 December 2015 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Peter Maggs (talk • contribs)
 * Hello again Peter, old chap. Charmed, I'm sure. That all looks very intriguing. I think it would only be fair to open a discussion thread at the Red Barn Murder Talk Page, where any interested editors could discuss the merits of including your new book. If not, they might always consider buying a copy as useful last-minute silk stocking-fillers. I don't know about you, but I could murder a good burger.Martinevans123 (talk) 14:50, 6 December 2015 (UTC) p.s. I must say how dapper you look in that blazer - didn't we see you on that recent Essex edition of Antiques Road Trip??
 * Note to Peter Maggs: With Martin you have to look past a good deal of whimsy to see the wisdom. EEng (talk) 15:01, 6 December 2015 (UTC)
 * Further note: save time and just make do with the whimsy. Martinevans123 (talk) 15:42, 6 December 2015 (UTC)
 * I can do whimsy; I was never sure about that jacket though ... an impulse buy in Southwold. --Peter Maggs 17:59, 6 December 2015 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Peter Maggs (talk • contribs)
 * From Southwold, you say? Well I hope you don't feel too bitter about it. I'm sure it's just the thing to impress the ladies when eating your Southwold fish and chips. But I think you've put an excellent post on the Red Barn Talk Page and I do hope it attracts some positive response. Martinevans123 (talk) 18:43, 6 December 2015 (UTC)
 * Thanks for your help on this; much appreciated. Peter Maggs 07:08, 7 December 2015 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Peter Maggs (talk • contribs)

Hilary Benn
Hi Martin, thanks for the thanks. I see you just added the 'however' that I was thinking of including! Another (!) old girlfriend of mine lived next door to Hilary in Chiswick in the '80s when she was a student (there was even a connecting door upstairs, and she used to babysit his kids). Though she didn't get the use of the garden, because it had been amalgamated with Hilary's - we often saw Tony playing football in it with his grandchildren (yup, and smoking his pipe at the same time). JezGrove (talk) 00:23, 4 December 2015 (UTC)
 * Haha, I've gone to bed so I won't reply! As you know, I have been a firm fan of the pipe and still think it should appear in his article! Blimey, these old girlfriends of yours are a force to be reckoned with, aren't they. I thought Hilary's speech was one of the best I've heard in years - word perfect and delivered at exactly the right pace, sincere, thoughtful, candid. A slight echo of his inspired father. I found it quite moving. After hearing that, I honestly think he might be the next Labour Leader. Martinevans123 (talk) 00:31, 4 December 2015 (UTC)
 * Yes, Eddie Mair played it in full on PM yesterday and it was excellent - Tony would have disagreed with the viewpoint, but been very proud nonetheless. I was with the girlfriend for about five years, and she was Hilary's tenant in the house next door to his own for the last three of them when she was at college in London - I probably stayed there almost every other weekend until she dumped me during her final year. She actually broke up with me in the living room there - almost thirty years on and I can still remember the record that was playing on the stereo! JezGrove (talk) 09:28, 4 December 2015 (UTC)
 * Maybe this memory one? Good link for our cat-hating . — &#124; Gareth Griffith-Jones &#124; The Welsh Buzzard&#124; — 11:14, 4 December 2015 (UTC)
 * Or was it Neil Sedaka?? Martinevans123 (talk) 11:28, 4 December 2015 (UTC)
 * Surely this one? --Hillbillyholiday talk 12:13, 4 December 2015 (UTC)
 * Yeah, ok Mr. HillaryBillaryHoliday. Martinevans123 (talk) 12:19, 4 December 2015 (UTC)
 * Sadly, it was side 2 of Bat out of Hell - not my choice, though I don’t think that was the reason for the break-up! I think the turntable must have been set to repeat play but it’s possible that neither of us had the emotional energy to turn it off, or even turn the disc over – either way, every twenty minutes or so Meatloaf was singing, "And she kept on telling me, she kept on telling me, SHE KEPT ON TELLING ME…". Haven’t thought about that evening for an extremely long time – and this is the first time it’s occurred to me that maybe it was deliberate. (I catch on v-e-r-y slowly, if so!) JezGrove (talk) 12:35, 4 December 2015 (UTC)
 * I suspect, after only three plays, I'd have made a rapid exit. Martinevans123 (talk) 13:34, 4 December 2015 (UTC)

Where's John McDonnell when you need him?
We need John McDonnell to throw the book at this guy ! JezGrove (talk) 16:21, 4 December 2015 (UTC)
 * Apparently he harnessed the incredible power of the invisible mind-controlling Jackie to his own evil ends: . Not to be trifled with, obviously. Martinevans123 (talk) 16:27, 4 December 2015 (UTC) I always found that magazine a fab fun read... But I never realized it could blow your head off!
 * Good job his daughter found more inspiring things to read !JezGrove (talk) 16:39, 4 December 2015 (UTC)
 * I'm with your 'cat-hating friend' User:Hafspajen - never trust a miaowist! JezGrove (talk) 23:19, 4 December 2015 (UTC)
 * Literally? Are you going over the Øresund? — &#124; Gareth Griffith-Jones &#124; The Welsh Buzzard&#124; — 08:16, 5 December 2015 (UTC)

Miss Mount in full cry...
http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b06rcprp/the-good-old-days-19021976

Tim
 * ( Tim riley  talk    23:13, 5 December 2015 (UTC))
 * Quite glorious. Amazing we have no article for "One of the Ruins That Cromwell Knocked About a Bit", although it does appear in Marie Lloyd. Martinevans123 (talk) 23:18, 5 December 2015 (UTC) p.s. and I wonder whatever happened to Jeannie Harris, Chantal & Dumont, Albert Aldred and Jan Madd!!?

I feel a DYK coming on
I hope you'd be willing to assist in scaring up sources. EEng (talk) 06:31, 6 December 2015 (UTC)
 * As a Japanese Scouser myself, I can assure you that to help fit in with the locals it is advisable that one chooses a suitable name. -- Nick Yamōta
 * Hell's kittens, EEngie! Have you fully taken leave of your senses?? I suspect you've been overcome with a fit of the vapors. Dai Saiko, (Ystalyfera) 15:24, 6 December 2015 (UTC) ... or maybe you are just decidely "unhinged".


 * Do you think we can we get Squidlly Ranks' "Ugly Gal" to GA by Christmas?? Martinevans123 (talk) 00:03, 7 December 2015 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

 * Thanks. But it's a little depressing when you used to respect those people and their opinions. Martinevans123 (talk) 22:00, 11 December 2015 (UTC)
 * What kind of humour would diffuse that little depression? Unser Mund sei voll Lachens? (Will be my Christmas gift.) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:05, 11 December 2015 (UTC)
 * Dearest Gerda, I just listened, to Rudolf Lutz with the J. S. Bach Foundation of St Gallen. It's like a little piece of heaven has fallen, with divine laughter, to the December earth. How wonderful. Thank you so much. Martinevans123 (talk) 22:42, 11 December 2015 (UTC)
 * Made my day. What a year, starting with Geh aus und suche Freud, written in joyless circumstances (see DYK), - you need to seek! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:47, 11 December 2015 (UTC)
 * Rhosymedre. Ave Virgo Sanctissima- but you might want to find another version. Libera nos. Xanthomelanoussprog (talk) 13:23, 12 December 2015 (UTC)
 * Goodness me, how beautiful is that Vaughan Williams. Martinevans123 (talk) 13:48, 12 December 2015 (UTC)
 * I said I won't pass individual Christmas greetings, but as the cantata was mentioned on the Main page today, one moar dose of laughter for you - details on my talk -and thanks for your lovely composition!

Accidental revert
Martinevens123, I accidentally reverted one of your edits to Tyson Fury. Sorry about that! I restored the edits back to page (i am editing wp on a really crummy android tablet and I hit the revert button for you instead of the vandal above you in the recent changes feed). BlAcKhAt9(9 (talk) 17:17, 13 December 2015 (UTC)
 * You can't trust these crummy androids, can you. Martinevans123 (talk) 17:24, 13 December 2015 (UTC)


 * Seems that existential edit conflict strikes again ... twice! — &#124; Gareth Griffith-Jones &#124; The Welsh Buzzard&#124; — 17:30, 13 December 2015 (UTC)
 * It's just so depressing... Robevans123 (talk) 17:29, 13 December 2015 (UTC)
 * I've just not got the balls to fight back: Martinevans123 (talk) 23:44, 13 December 2015 (UTC)

A bit of advice?
Hi Martin, I'm just after a bit of advice. I've added my suspicions about copyright violation (looks like it's been there for a while...) to an article's talk page - is there anything else I should do?! Thanks in advance - BTW I see England are in the same group as you in the Euro 2016 football finals - will we never learn...? JezGrove (talk) 00:01, 14 December 2015 (UTC)

laser
The gene subject is posion by chickenfears, but have fun, it is a lie your/media will perhaps enjoy.

what is to dificult for you. To understand.


 * The gene subject is posion by chickenfears < "the shalow inheritance" search for liberman etc, scientific wishful crocery


 * but have fun - they will have fun - we are serious.


 * the stupid will have fun based on lie


 * your/media will perhaps enjoy. <those who propagate the lie will maybe ejoy it.

To understand more you newed to know more about each part of the sentence. Start form paleontropolgy ... if you like realy understand, ask., If not do not expect we will lower to your understanding. most coherent is laser. if you look at it you will be blind. 70.214.34.97 (talk) 00:24, 15 December 2015 (UTC)
 * Better not look, then. Not even sure I newed to know. Martinevans123 (talk) 08:48, 15 December 2015 (UTC)


 * Don't believe the lie, Martin! Don't drink the Kool-Aid! Softlavender (talk) 10:26, 15 December 2015 (UTC)
 * Well, if you don't trust it, that's enough for me! You're the real acid test. Martinevans123 (talk) 13:22, 15 December 2015 (UTC)
 * I always thought this was. — &#124; Gareth Griffith-Jones &#124; The Welsh Buzzard&#124; — 13:36, 15 December 2015 (UTC)

Composer peer reviews
Can we lure you, I wonder, to comment on the development of William Sterndale Bennett and Albert Ketèlbey, both of which are up for peer review? I am just carrying the bags for both reviews, with others taking the lead, but I hope I can do a bit of judicious whipping-in. Not in the least compulsory, natch.  Tim riley  talk    16:42, 18 December 2015 (UTC)
 * Thanks Tim, I will try and take a look. Martinevans123 (talk) 16:52, 18 December 2015 (UTC)

Season's Greetings
To You and Yours! FWiW Bzuk (talk) 04:26, 19 December 2015 (UTC)
 * "Oh! What's occurrin'??" Hope you're suitably tinselled up, dude. Martinevans123 (talk) 17:37, 19 December 2015 (UTC)

--
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Spread the cheer by adding to their talk page with a friendly message.


 * Many thanks, dear Hafs. Help yourself to some vintage Andy Williams!! Martinevans123 (talk) 17:42, 19 December 2015 (UTC) .... alternatively.... enjoy some Black Santa Powered By Hoverboard ReinDeers.
 * WUUUH: Hafspajen (talk) 13:00, 23 December 2015 (UTC)

Yo Ho Ho
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MarnetteD&#124;Talk is wishing you Seasons Greetings! Whether you celebrate your hemisphere's Solstice or Christmas, Diwali, Hogmanay, Hanukkah, Lenaia, Festivus or even the Saturnalia, this is a special time of year for almost everyone!

Spread the holiday cheer by adding to your friends' talk pages.


 * Make sure to click on both pictures to see them full size Martinevans123 as they will give you a chuckle. May your 2016 be full of joy and special times. MarnetteD&#124;Talk 04:12, 20 December 2015 (UTC)

Season's Greetings (Cyfarchion y Tymor)
. Pick and choose according to taste: Have a Wassailing Winter Solstice (Gwasaela Heuldro'r Gaeaf), Merry Christmas (Nadolig Llawen), Grey Mare (Mari Lwyd) walkabout, or Happy New Year (Blwyddyn Newydd Dda).

May your celebration go with you. Robevans123 (talk) 08:54, 20 December 2015 (UTC)

Yuletide felicitations
... and may 2016 be full of sunshine.

Cheers. -- Jack of Oz   [pleasantries]  21:21, 20 December 2015 (UTC)
 * "Oh what fun it is to ride in a rusty Holden Ute": . Martinevans123 (talk) 22:10, 20 December 2015 (UTC)
 * Yes, YES! That's exactly how it is with me and mine. (er ... not) :)  --   Jack of Oz   [pleasantries]  22:49, 20 December 2015 (UTC)
 * Ah, I quite understand. So have some gorgeous Kylie. :) Martinevans123 (talk) 22:55, 20 December 2015 (UTC)

(Season's Greetings)



 * X
 * Merry Christmas & Happy New Year


 * X


 * Frohe Weinachten und
 * alles gute zur neuen Jahr!


 * Wesołych Świąt i
 * Szczęśliwego nowego roku!


 * Linksmų Kalėdų ir 
 * laimingų Naujųjų Metų!


 * X
 * Sca (talk)
 * Thanks Sca, Jutland look lots of fun. Martinevans123 (talk) 23:05, 21 December 2015 (UTC)

Solstice & Season's greetings

 * Thanks, 13-and-sevensie. Hope you've got your druidical robes all set for the morrow. Martinevans123 (talk) 23:03, 21 December 2015 (UTC)

Merry Christmas

 * Thanks, Davey. But I'm sorry, you'll have to remind me - the past, etc... Martinevans123 (talk) 22:56, 21 December 2015 (UTC)

Best wishes for the holidays... II

 * Ooh! Another card! How lovely. Many thanks. That teddy looks kinda familiar. Martinevans123 (talk) 13:25, 23 December 2015 (UTC)


 * You-who, Ho ho ho, who else... Hafspajen (talk) 13:39, 23 December 2015 (UTC)

No? How about like this?
Hafspajen (talk) 14:30, 23 December 2015 (UTC)

Freud
Hi,

Can you provide any evidence that Vitz is a notable commentator on Freud? &mdash; goethean 21:47, 23 December 2015 (UTC)


 * Hi. See Talk:Sigmund Freud, or else you may get crushed by two speeding Santas. Thanks. Martinevans123 (talk) 22:06, 23 December 2015 (UTC)

Merry Christmas from the Jimbo Loving Troll!
I bring you seasonal tidings of good cheer

But at the same time your talk page should fear

A similar fate to the Graceful Slick's

Come Anno Dommini Two Thousand, Ten, And Six 81.158.100.81 (talk) 16:52, 24 December 2015 (UTC)


 * And how is your esteemed trade association these days? Exposed any more gaping holes lately? Love to weev and all the kids. Martinevans123 (talk) 23:14, 24 December 2015 (UTC)

Happy Christmas!

 * Many thanks, John. What a very colourful and charming tableau that is! Martinevans123 (talk) 23:09, 24 December 2015 (UTC)

And now for 2016

 * Wow, 2016 looks pretty interesting, doesn't it. Or are we all just hallucinating? I must have missed that fjord on my trip to Norway earlier this year. Or maybe I just didn't sample enough of the local produce?? Martinevans123 (talk) 16:50, 27 December 2015 (UTC)

Best wishes for the holidays... III

 * Thanks, Hafs. You look wonderful in that dress. Great to see it's good Norwegian Guy Charlemagne, and none of that cheap rubbish. Martinevans123 (talk) 10:05, 29 December 2015 (UTC)
 * Hehe. Come and join me, there is a little place left on that silky divan! Hafspajen (talk) 11:25, 29 December 2015 (UTC)
 * Shall I order a different brand The Veuve Clicquot Delivery Bike (9516862837).jpg

?Hafspajen (talk) 11:29, 29 December 2015 (UTC)
 * But of course! Make mine a Ginger ale. Martinevans123 (talk) 13:30, 29 December 2015 (UTC)
 * Sending my servants! "Blasts" from The Ram's Horn (1902) (14761721316).jpg... only ... Hope nobody will steal the stuff!Alfred Wierusz-Kowalski - Kulig.jpg on the road, it's a bit showy... Hafspajen (talk) 13:49, 29 December 2015 (UTC)
 * I think Slemmy-Lemmy have stolen your beer. Hafspajen (talk) 16:13, 29 December 2015 (UTC)
 * Saved some, though. Foie gras with sauternes.jpgajen (talk) 17:28, 29 December 2015 (UTC)"Norge", 1914.jpg

Oh Hafs, you're such a sweetie, but I'd probably go for something a little more dry and smokey. Martinevans123 (talk) 18:28, 29 December 2015 (UTC)
 * Dry Martin, eh? You Can Call Me Al. Hafspajen (talk) 19:24, 29 December 2015 (UTC)
 * Ah, very dry, Hafs. But I like it shaken of stirred. Martinevans123 (talk) 19:31, 29 December 2015 (UTC)

Gavin Esler
Hi, you have added a link for lactose intolerance to the early life section on Gavin Esler. Had you found a source that named his illness, or had you inferred this? The references that I had seen didn't put a name to the condition, hence the vague wording that I had used. (For example a condition such as pyloric stenosis would commonly present at such an age and could lead to surgery). Drchriswilliams (talk) 20:52, 28 December 2015 (UTC)
 * My inference and I expected a revert. The source is a paper one and I have never read it. I didn't see any direct mention of milk at pyloric stenosis, but I had assumed that lactose intolerance was a generic term. I will self-revert if we can't find an online source. But not sure about "thought he might die". Martinevans123 (talk) 21:01, 28 December 2015 (UTC)
 * Perhaps adding this link would help? Martinevans123 (talk) 21:07, 28 December 2015 (UTC)
 * Yes, it looks like I omitted to include the url to that Guardian reference, I agree that it should be added. I liked your change to the wording that described the episode in terms of his parents' fears, I thought that it fitted in the article a bit better than the way I had put things. Drchriswilliams (talk) 21:16, 28 December 2015 (UTC)
 * I've now added the url. For some reason I had assumed no url meant no web source, and that a medical link was better than what appeared to be somewhat lazy reporting. But it was Esler's own account and it's not explained. So I have now reverted. I've not been able to find any better source on-line. Thanks. Martinevans123 (talk) 21:20, 28 December 2015 (UTC)

Gaining the trust of the community
Hi Martinevans123, I just wanted to let you know that I have [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special%3ALog&type=rights&user=&page=User%3A added] the "autopatrolled" permission to your account, as you have created numerous, valid articles. This feature will have no effect on your editing, and is simply intended to reduce the workload on new page patrollers. For more information on the patroller right, see Autopatrolled. Feel free to leave me a message if you have any questions. Happy editing! Mjroots (talk) 22:52, 29 December 2015 (UTC) Mjroots (talk) 22:52, 29 December 2015 (UTC)
 * "Gained the trust of the community"?? Ffs! how much did that cost you?? What a shame. I always looked forward to those "article has been auto-patrolled" messages, as it proved at least one person had read the article! (only joking). Thanks for telling me. Martinevans123 (talk) 23:05, 29 December 2015 (UTC) p.s. didn't you ask other more senior editors if I can be "trusted"??
 * As Henry Crun once said "Thank you for your support, I shall wear it always."
 * Any friend of James "Crun" Walter is a friend of mine! Haha. Martinevans123 (talk) 23:28, 29 December 2015 (UTC)
 * Nope, didn't ask. Took it upon myself . Don't let me down! Mjroots (talk) 23:20, 29 December 2015 (UTC)


 * At least six hoax articles have suddenly sprung to mind, including Sigmund Freud's goats and The Queen Mother (professional wrestling hold). Do you think anyone will notice?? Martinevans123 (talk) 23:27, 29 December 2015 (UTC)
 * You announce these and then silently make others, right? - Help, I need a DYK review for BWV 171, for New Year, quite soon, - it's a GA, shouldn't be too hard to do, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 23:40, 29 December 2015 (UTC)
 * Wow, that naming of movement sections looks a bit minimal! I'll try and have a closer look but am travelling tomorrow. Martinevans123 (talk) 23:43, 29 December 2015 (UTC)
 * It is minimal on purpose, - you can reach any movement from anywhere without having to deal with German spelling. Tomorrow --- will be too late, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 23:47, 29 December 2015 (UTC)
 * 5 times expanded (within last seven days) is quite a lot, isn't it. Is that a strict criterion? I can see that you've some some excellent work improving that article. And it would be a shame if it missed out on DYK just because that technicality. But I don't know how to get round it?!Martinevans123 (talk) 23:57, 29 December 2015 (UTC)
 * Just add numerous "and", "if", "but" and commas? Just a thought from MONGOland.--MONGO 20:57, 30 December 2015 (UTC)
 * 15K worth of and", "if", "but" and commas might be pushing it? Fortunately the relevant criterion is "Promoted to good article status" so size is irrelevant. And I'm glad to see that Montanabw has now reviewed and found it to be fine.Martinevans123 (talk) 21:02, 30 December 2015 (UTC)


 * (GA status is the criterion, easy. - Still needs an admin with a soul, who dares to push it into a full set...) Thank you for your support, also musical Welch wishes, returned with my review, and the peace bell by Yunshui! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 10:53, 31 December 2015 (UTC)
 * I am prepared to admit that Montanabw has a soul! Many thanks for your groovy bell: . Martinevans123 (talk) 11:05, 31 December 2015 (UTC)
 * Now on the Main page, - Casliber had the soul! (The alleged owner of all horse articles couldn't promote as she had reviewed.) Click on bell for the soft sound of peace (and jest) ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:05, 2 January 2016 (UTC)

You realized that I have a soul! OMG! Don't let THAT get out, it will totally destroy my street cred as a "Serial defender of assholes, serial holder of grudges, serial accuser of socks, serial owner of horsey articles, and serial denier of Wikipedia's chronic issues with retaining sane, normal, humans as editors" and "a thin skinned dictator who OWNs all horse articles." LOL! Montanabw <sup style="color:purple;">(talk) 19:23, 31 December 2015 (UTC)
 * CAme like surprize no? Montana, could you leave Marion as it is? I have PLANS for him. Hafspajen (talk) 19:25, 31 December 2015 (UTC)
 * Montanabw, you sure are one Crazy Horse. Martinevans123 (talk) 20:27, 31 December 2015 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

 * I just don't make unnecessary journeys!! Martinevans123 (talk) 21:28, 30 December 2015 (UTC) p.s.


 * He's pretty good. Martinevans123 (talk) 22:44, 30 December 2015 (UTC)