User talk:Peanut4/Archive 2

Featured list candidates/List of New England Patriots head coaches
Everything is now finished bt Jaron or me. Thanks,  Milk’s Favorite Cookie    (Talk)  19:12, 24 April 2008 (UTC)
 * And reworded. Thanks,  Milk’s Favorite Cookie    (Talk)  16:56, 25 April 2008 (UTC)
 * I reworded it again. I don't think it was just one single person who found out, it was probably just known.  Milk’s Favorite Cookie    (Talk)  17:02, 25 April 2008 (UTC)
 * And you'll definitely like it now (I hope) Thanks,  Milk’s Favorite Cookie    (Talk)  17:16, 25 April 2008 (UTC)

Philadelphia Phillies seasons review
Thanks for all your input. This has been a real eye-opener, and it's great to work with experienced reviewers. I appreciate your help. KV5 (talk) 23:08, 25 April 2008 (UTC)

Featured list candidates/List of San Diego Chargers head coaches
✅ + Expanded lead. Thanks,  Milk’s Favorite Cookie    (Talk)  20:06, 28 April 2008 (UTC)
 * I've done everything, except I can't expand the lead, (which seems to meet WP:LEAD, and the best I got to a sortable table was this  Milk’s Favorite Cookie    (Talk)  21:12, 28 April 2008 (UTC)
 * BTW, do you have any further comments on List of New England Patriots head coaches? Thanks,  Milk’s Favorite Cookie    (Talk)  21:34, 28 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Well, I've expanded List of San Diego Chargers head coaches as much as possible, and you have a question in the FLC.  Milk’s Favorite Cookie    (Talk)  20:30, 29 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Please see the lead. I'm currently merging some paragraphs at the moment, but you can get a basic view. Thanks,  Milk’s Favorite Cookie    (Talk)  21:23, 29 April 2008 (UTC)
 * ✅  Milk’s Favorite Cookie    (Talk)  21:34, 29 April 2008 (UTC)

Unlucky thirteen
No problemo, I simply interpreted a line on the Bradford official page as literal - "released on Tuesday afternoon." I'll wait till Saturday, but you never know, McCall may use the last game as an opportunity to try out some youngsters, seeing as our league position is safe. Best regards, GiantSnowman 20:51, 29 April 2008 (UTC)

Erm, sorry about doing the exact same edit. Should have checked beforehand. 82.219.210.17 (talk) 13:50, 30 April 2008 (UTC)

Featured list candidates/List of Oxford United F.C. managers‎
Thanks for the pointers, i believe they have all been resolved and would be grateful if you would take another look, cheers. Eddie6705 (talk) 20:58, 29 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Sorry to seem nagging but all comments from other users have been dealt with and i would like to satisfy your suggestions on the article, cheers. Eddie6705 (talk) 20:19, 7 May 2008 (UTC)

List of San Diego Chargers head coaches
Please take a look ;)  Milk’s Favorite Cookie    (Talk)  23:05, 30 April 2008 (UTC)

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Bradford away kit
Hi Peanut, don't know if you've seen the new City Away kit (and it's a cracker by the way) but it's been confirmed as an all-white affair, as seen here. My question is this: when should we change the kit on the main page? Kind regards, GiantSnowman 16:58, 1 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Hey, I've changed the kit (as best as I could!) and added a reference, hope it all looks OK. GiantSnowman 18:27, 1 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Yeah, I tried to include the claret & amber but couldn't find a suitable design. If you manage to find one then I'll add it, but if not then it'll unfortunately have to stay as it is. GiantSnowman 19:07, 1 May 2008 (UTC)

df=y
Hey man. I'm afraid I don't quite understand the purpose of this parameter. Can you explain it to me? – PeeJay 21:54, 2 May 2008 (UTC)
 * But surely it's a bit presumptuous to force a particular date style on people? – PeeJay 22:04, 2 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Ah fair enough. I see now. Thanks. – PeeJay 22:09, 2 May 2008 (UTC)

WikiProject Good Articles May Newsletter
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Re:Featured lists
It's understandable. I'll just remove it from all the lists since the other ones already featured (see my userpage) don't have a history section. I will however create pages like "History of ____________ coaches" - Is this OK with you?  Milk’s Favorite Cookie   (Talk)  01:19, 3 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Alright. I'll expand the leads, and I'll make History of ... coaches. Thanks,  Milk’s Favorite Cookie    (Talk)  01:43, 3 May 2008 (UTC)

List of New England Patriots head coaches
List of New England Patriots head coaches seems to have a decent lead. Do you have any further comments on it? Thanks,  Milk’s Favorite Cookie    (Talk)  18:16, 4 May 2008 (UTC)
 * ...and List of San Diego Chargers head coaches as well.  Milk’s Favorite Cookie    (Talk)  19:32, 4 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Did you see the messages above? «  Milk's Favorite Cookie  (  talk  /  contribs ) 19:54, 7 May 2008 (UTC)

Premier League
This is what I thought of the nicknames. They were unneccessary, I have never heard of them. Only the most common, and referenced nicknames should be there, if we need nicknames at all. Complete removal would be something for the talkpage I think. Regards. Woody (talk) 21:30, 4 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Looked into it a bit more, thought about it a bit more and here is what I came up with: diff. ;) Hope all is good. Regards. Woody (talk) 21:34, 4 May 2008 (UTC)

5/7 DYK

 * Well done! --Daemonic Kangaroo (talk) 18:40, 7 May 2008 (UTC)

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Sam Cowan
Yeah, I saw the article was in a poor state and resolved to get it over 1000 words and fully referenced by the end of the weekend. I've just added a sentence which unfortunately represents the sum total of my material about his time at Bradford. The fee must have been very high for a 34 year old. In other matters, I've responded to the comments you left at the Kinkladze FAC, could you take a look to see if the responses meet with your satisfaction? Oldelpaso (talk) 09:58, 10 May 2008 (UTC)
 * You may have noticed that my proofreading is horrific, thanks for hoovering up my errors. I saw your recent DYK nom, it had me scampering to check Steve Claridge's record. He nearly manages 6 levels but is missing the Conference. Oldelpaso (talk) 09:34, 11 May 2008 (UTC)

Jonathan McLaughlin
Yep no problem, if/when he plays then simply put him for a Deletion Review, the article should be recreated then no probs. Cheers for the heads up! GiantSnowman 22:59, 10 May 2008 (UTC)

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Hi
I've started my own wiki on the European Football Championship, |wikieuro08.altervista.org wikieuro08.altervista.org, can you help me? Thanks Ciaociao (talk) 18:10, 15 May 2008 (UTC)

Milford Mercury
Maybe you should talk to your colleagues at the Milford Mercury - they are quite able to use diacritics. At least the previous reporter was. Agathoclea (talk) 13:10, 21 May 2008 (UTC)

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Kinkladze again
Following the failure of the FAC nomination for Georgi Kinkladze, I have opened another peer review in an attempt to get the article ready for a second nomination. As you commented on the FAC, I would value your opinion of whether the issues you raised have been resolved, and details of any further issues you have. Oldelpaso (talk) 13:54, 25 May 2008 (UTC)

European Championship Tables
I think it would look good if they were on because England are the most important footballing country —Preceding unsigned comment added by Mr Hall of England (talk • contribs) 09:03, 26 May 2008 (UTC)

FAR review
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Request for Peer Review help
Thank you for you work as a peer review volunteer. Since March, there has been a concerted effort to make sure all peer review requests get some response. Requests that have gone three days or longer without a substantial response are listed at Peer review/backlog. I have three requests to help this continue.

1) If you are asked to do a peer review, please ask the person who made the request to also do a review, preferably of a request that has not yet had feedback. This is fairly simple, but helps. For example when I review requests on the backlog list, I close with Hope this helps. If my comments are useful, please consider peer reviewing an article, especially one at Peer review/backlog (which is how I found this article). Yours, ...

2) While there are several people who help with the backlog, lately I have been doing up to 3 or 4 peer reviews a day and can not keep this up much longer. We need help. Since there are now well over 100 names on the PR volunteers page, if each volunteer reviewed just one PR request without a response from the list each month, it would easily take care of the "no response" backlog. To help spread out the load, I suggest those willing pick a day of the month and do a review that day (for example, my first edit was on the 8th, so I could pick the 8th). Please pick a peer review request with no responses yet, if possible off the backlog list. If you want, leave a note on my talk page as to which day you picked and I will remind you each month.

3) I have made some proposals to add some limits to peer review requests at Wikipedia_talk:Peer_review. The idea is to prevent any one user from overly burdening the process. These seem fairly reasonable (one PR request per editor per day, only four total PR requests per editor at a time, PR requests with cleanup banners can be delisted (like GAN quick fail), and wait two weeks to relist a PR request after it is archived), but have gotten no feedback in one week. If you have any thoughts on these, please weigh in.

Thanks again for your help and in advance for any assistance with the backlog. Ruhrfisch &gt;&lt;&gt; &deg; &deg; 21:18, 27 May 2008 (UTC)

Request for a peer review
Hi, we at WP:AFL are looking for an external user from to provide a peer review for one of our articles, Joel Selwood. The article is currently undergoing an extensive peer review, and your comments as a fresh reviewer with no necessary knowledge of the sporting code would be most appreciated. In particular, in helping us address any concerns regarding issues with jargon etc. Kind regards. Boomtish (talk) 10:34, 28 May 2008 (UTC)

Middlesbrough Peer Review
I'd just like to say thanks for your help with the peer review. I think we've acted on many of your suggestions so hopefully it shouldn't be too long before we get it to FA status!Mofs (talk) 11:16, 28 May 2008 (UTC)

Greetings, farewell
Hi there PEANUT, this is VASCO from PORTUGAL,

I am leaving WP for good, after almost two years helping to the best of my abilities (lots of soccer edits, lots of vandalism removed), and lots of accusations (maybe some due to the fact i never opened an account) of being a vandal and more rude words i would have liked to hear, but oh well...Anyway...

I just want to thank you for making edits on PEPE (brazilian footballer, REAL MADRID), regarding his goal total. You don't know the mess you have gotten yourself into man...Why? Check this out, conversations between user 202.75.80.182 and yours truly.

I knew PEPE had no goals, but an own goal against CORUÑA, so reverted to 0 league goals, everytime i saw 1 written, and this other user re-reverted to 1 goal, and justified (please check PEPE's edit history) with the following: "Goals are included. Own goals are NOT excluded."). After i tried to make him see "the light", his answer (lacking class, friendliness, and so on, so on) was THIS:

"According to your reference, I like to apologize about my edits as you referred. But I just want to know. What is the meaning of adding 22 goals on Spanish cup? I only stated that he scored 1 goal for the league, but 0 for CUP. Are you trying to VANDALISE the article before saying I'm trying to add silly edits? If you say YES, I will forgive you, because you only put 22 goals on CUP section. If you say NO, FUCK off.

Anyway, I stated that he scored 1 goal, because I think that goal is a good goal. You are welcome to give me any comments on my talk section, but don't give me any nonsense, such as it's just an own goal, or OWN goals are BADDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD. Thank You.

From China, a nice week,"

WHAT A JERK, my friend, i hope you, by reverting it to 0 GOALS, will not also hear from this individual, who thinks an own goal is a good goal...

Explaining my title in message (GREETINGS, FAREWELL), greet you because we talk 4 the first time, and bid you farewell because it's also 4 the last time, i am definitely stopping all editing and HELPING, just consulting from now on, but you can, if interested, reply to me on my talk page, i will browse it from time to time, just NO EDITING...

Enough said, my friend, all the best from PORTUGAL, have a nice life,

VASCO AMARAL - --217.129.67.28 (talk) 23:49, 28 May 2008 (UTC)

Top leagues
Regarding this edit, the link does include this quote by Marcel Desailly: "However, if you talk with the Italians they would tell you that Serie A is the best league. The only difference is that the Premier League has a global following. I think that, tactically, the gap is not so big between England, Spain and Italy.". But for sure a better source will need to be found. JACO PLANE  • 2008-05-29 19:23

Ron Saggers
Thanks for your help with the GA, appreciate it. SGGH speak! 22:11, 30 May 2008 (UTC)

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Leeds United A.F.C. club records
Looks like we'll be taking it to RM then. – PeeJay 19:48, 3 June 2008 (UTC)

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Finals template
Hmm, we'll you could probably incorporate something that would be similar to the regular footballbox as they use for the matches in FIFA World Cup Finals, though through another template which have a hide/show alternative. Shown here Liverpool F.C. season 2007-08 game log The template in there could probably be incorporated with the Fb finals one. ← chandler 14:06, 4 June 2008 (UTC)

Luton Town
Hmmm. Good call. I hadn't seen any FA Statement, and the BBC article didn't convince me that I was wrong, but that cleared it up. Sorry for the inconvenience. Falastur2 (talk) 21:27, 4 June 2008 (UTC)
 * To get firm clarification, I started a new topic at WP:FOOTBALL ten minutes or so ago. It's probably mute now anyway, now that we've found consensus. Thanks, D.M.N. (talk) 21:28, 4 June 2008 (UTC)

Request for Review
Hi, I have been working on an article titled Iowa High School Athletic Association. If you can find the time, would you please give it a look over? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Bradenkeith (talk • contribs) 19:17, 7 June 2008 (UTC)

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Chris Brandon
Why did you undo my edit without explanation, please? Linking schools is good practice so that when an article on the school is created then alumni show up. Smile a While (talk) 00:24, 9 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Thank you. Smile a While (talk) 00:32, 9 June 2008 (UTC)

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York Park
Hi Peanut4, thanks for your suggestions for York Park, I'll endeavour to fix it up! Just one question - you suggest converting to prose - I thought that parts such as the list of highest crowds would be better presented as a list (or a table)? -- Chuq (talk) 08:22, 15 June 2008 (UTC)

Ronnie Wallwork
I'm thinking about putting Ronnie Wallwork up for peer review later in the week, as I've done pretty much all I can on it now, bar the odd tweak. Do you think there's much more to add or are you OK for me to get it reviewed soon? I've now finished my BCAFC review comments btw (sorry there's so many bullet points! hope it's of some use). Cheers. --Jameboy (talk) 01:04, 16 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Cool, will go for PR first, then put it up for GAN later. One question (apologies if I missed it in the article) - have they always been Bradford City A.F.C. or were they ever Bradford City F.C.? --Jameboy (talk) 01:15, 16 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Now up for peer review. I've managed to add a few comments from Robson re: Wallwork's qualities - not a complete "Style of Play" section like some articles but hopefully it will suffice. Still missing those England under-20 stats but hopefully those will follow soon. Thanks again for your help with this article, particularly the MoS edits and improving the wording - sometimes I just need to slap the words down on the page and can't always think how best to phrase it! Cheers. --Jameboy (talk) 23:31, 17 June 2008 (UTC)

Richard Rundle's website
You stated here in the hyperlink that Rundle owned Footballsite. However, according to Rundle's userpage, he owns the FCHD BT Internet site. To avoid any confusion, I've slightly changed your comment at Ealdgyth's talkpage, see here as Rundle owns the BTInternet site, not the Football site. I hope you don't mind. Regards, D.M.N. (talk) 08:21, 16 June 2008 (UTC)
 * I take it your most recent comment at Ealdgyth's talkpage was aimed at me. Ealdgyth may put on a "confused" face when she sees that comment, as I haven't commented on the discussion at her talkpage. D.M.N. (talk) 19:04, 16 June 2008 (UTC)

Ron Hamence
Thank you very much for the review. Your comments and suggestions have improved the article immeasurably. -- Mattinbgn\talk 04:28, 18 June 2008 (UTC)

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Sam Cowan
Hi, I noticed that you have been working on this for GA and wondered if you could clear up a problem with the article. The infobox indicates he was born in Doncaster while the career section indicates Chesterfield. Keith D (talk) 22:28, 24 June 2008 (UTC)

Time zone
Hi Peanut4! I've just reverted your on edit on WikiProject Football/New articles. You thought it was not June 25 yet so you moved the article Copa Libertadores history to 24 June. However, when I created this article, it had already been 25 June in Hong Kong, where the article was created by me.

Sorry, I understand I am writing on an unimportant issue. However, I just think that it is a little bit eurocentric to consider things only according to the European time zone. According to the MoS, isn't it we should use the time zone where the things happen? If so, is it true that the article should be regarded as a 25 June creation as it was created on 25 June in Hong Kong?

In fact, I don't know whether there are other guildlines concerning this issue. I am very sorry if there are gulidlines on it. Anyway, I don't mean anything seriously and am just curious about this issue. Your effort put in the Football Project is still highly appreciated! Free feel to drop a few lines on my talk page. Salt (talk) 03:34, 25 June 2008 (UTC)


 * The edit history is also different according to the user's time zone. For example, even though you saw it was created on 24 June in the edit history, I see it is created on 25 June in the edit history. It reflects the user's time zone. Anyway, just wanna tell you the edit history is not a reliable thing to tell the date. Cheers! Salt (talk) 15:26, 25 June 2008 (UTC)

Grenville Hair
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Imperial Napoleonic triple crown
Your Imperial Napoleonic Majesty, outstanding work! Will we see Bradford Park Avenue A.F.C. worked up to GA for compelteness? Cheers, Casliber (talk · contribs) 12:26, 27 June 2008 (UTC)

Portuguese East Africa
Hi Peanut4! Can you point me to any official document that states that Mozambique was OFFICIALLY called Portuguese East Africa when it was a Portuguese colony? Dying to be convinced! Thanks Teixant (talk) 07:30, 28 June 2008 (UTC)

Neil Woods
Very good! I am intrigued where you got the appearances and goals from! There is me trawling through old programmes. Anyway thankyou!--Footballgy (talk) 04:57, 29 June 2008 (UTC)

Featured list candidates/List of Sunderland A.F.C. managers
I know I don't really have to tell you, as you've probably already seen I've done them, but there you are, complete. Thanks. Sunderland06 (talk) 21:09, 1 July 2008 (UTC)

PR experiment
Dear Peanut4, I'm writing in hopes of enlisting your aid in a four-month experiment at Peer Review (PR). The success of the experiment will depend on finding at least 10 editors willing to review at least one article a week through the end of October 2008. The experiment will employ a streamlined review process designed to insure that every nominator who seeks a review gets one and that reviewers do not waste time doing long reviews for nominators who do not respond to an initial short review.

The way it works is this: (1) Choose any article at Peer Review that lacks a review. Peer reviews by date, especially the backlog list, is still a good place to find such articles. (2) Provide a short partial review based on your initial observations and wait to see if the nominator responds. Examples of short reviews can be found at Peer review/Foreign relations of India/archive1 and Peer review/Ed Stelmach/archive1. (3) If the nominator does not respond, the review is done. (4) If the nominator responds, continue the review as you see fit.

The experiment will require no noticeable administration. However, if you plan to participate, it would be helpful if you posted a brief note to Wikipedia talk:Peer review to that effect. At the end of October, we can see how the experiment turned out and whether this process or some modification of it could sustain Peer Review permanently with minimal backlogs. If you can help, that would be great. If not, that's perfectly OK. We are all tremendously busy with a lot of different projects.

I have chosen to write to you in part because you've done peer reviews from the backlog during the past four months. Please forgive the form-letter nature of this note, which is more efficient than a personal note. With respect and thanks for your hard work on many projects, Finetooth (talk) 20:31, 1 July 2008 (UTC)

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RE: 1936 NFL Draft
You are indeed correct it is a list... My GAN Nomination may have been hasty. I'm not sure how to proceed other than first saying I am in no way a Die Hard Foot ball fan. I've spent much time on early era NFL Draft pages with the intent of giving credit to those heroes of days gone by that played for fun not money. Requests within the project for peer review and assistance have gained me little or no assistance, but how does one move an article from stub to Featured List without some assistance. I'm not saying the "list" should be featured but it should be more than a start class page (as well as others in the series). If I were to nominate it for FL it would certainly fail under the scrutiny of others within the same project that believe an article needs more citations than content. If it must fail it must fail and I'll move on. No loss, after all there must be a reason there is no Good List Nomination procedure. It seems collaboration is much like beauty... in the eye of the beholder. Slysplace   talk   ♫  20:11, 5 July 2008 (UTC)
 * What if I just remove the nomination? Slysplace    talk   ♫  23:09, 5 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Facing a slap on the wrist here, I removed it! I had already commented it out on the talk page anyway. Slysplace    talk   ♫  23:38, 5 July 2008 (UTC)
 * My experience is there is less bot than human intervention. Call it Bold if you will but whats done is done! Thanks for all your input. Slysplace    talk   ♫  00:05, 6 July 2008 (UTC)

Sunderland Echo
Hi Peanut, many thanks for all the en and em-dashes over the last couple of nights! Those wee little blighters have a knack of escaping my notice...-- seahamlass  06:46, 9 July 2008 (UTC)

David Brown
I found it at ESPN, but after seeing this I doubt it myself... Mattythewhite (talk) 06:54, 9 July 2008 (UTC)
 * This and this from The Press claim him to be from York. Mattythewhite (talk) 06:55, 10 July 2008 (UTC)

Songs for the Deaf
Just thought I'd let you know of a couple deficiencies in the Songs for the Deaf article: the instruments in the Personnel section should be wikilinked, and the full names of the writers should be given in the track listings (but only in the first instance of each name). Ten Pound Hammer and his otters • (Broken clamshells•Otter chirps) 22:56, 9 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Okay, I can't think of anything else than what you've found. I'll try to improve it a little. Ten Pound Hammer  and his otters • (Broken clamshells•Otter chirps) 23:20, 9 July 2008 (UTC)

Portland Trailblazers GAN
Hi, I've left comments on the talk page. Chensiyuan (talk) 01:24, 10 July 2008 (UTC)
 * I've tried to provide some pointers to the principal editor on the talkpage -- it'd really be quite a challenge for me to summarise the franchise history... because I don't have that much of a vested interest! Such is the partisanship; maybe that's why collaborating on players is easier than on teams. Chensiyuan (talk) 15:55, 11 July 2008 (UTC)

Wallwork again
Things are a bit quiet on the Ronnie peer review front. But I was wondering what you thought about possibly integrating the "Stabbing" section into the "West Bromwich Albion" section so that it flows chronologically? I was thinking that now that some time has passed since the incident occurred and we can reflect on it, it possibly doesn't deserve a whole section to itself (serious though it was)? Also, at the moment we have the article linking to itself ("...injuries sustained during a stabbing incident ."), which is a bit clumsy - re-ordering chronologically would fix this. What do you reckon? --Jameboy (talk) 22:36, 12 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Good points. I will merge it in then - if it all goes wrong I can always revert . I think while it was still "news", people would want to instantly find the information about the incident, hence separate section. Now it is "history", it can be seen less as its own topic and more in the context of his career (which, as you say, was seriously affected by it). I'm also going to add something about his time in the England Under-20s, although I still can't find those stats. --Jameboy (talk) 23:04, 12 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Being stabbed obviously didn't help(!) but he was loaned out to Barnsley a week before the stabbing happened, which suggests to me that Mowbray didn't rate him. Having to recover from the stabbing injuries, he was always going to struggle to make it back into the Albion side. I will try to include a quote or two from Mowbray on all this if possible. I'll also need to remind myself of when it was that Mowbray moved Jonathan Greening, a former wide player, into the holding midfield role (the position that Wallwork occupied under Robson) as this may be significant. But before all that...sleep! --Jameboy (talk) 00:36, 13 July 2008 (UTC)

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UEFA Cup Finals Template
Yeh sorry I didn't realise I'd deleted it from the template, I thought it was being removed from the UEFA Cup page, i'll TFD it now NapHit (talk) 19:18, 13 July 2008 (UTC)

Ivan Rakitic review
Thanks for giving a quick initial review on Ivan Rakitic. Opposed to your criticism, I have fixed up the article based on what you said, following the guideline articles as well. It is of slight better quality now, lead section is fixed up and if you read closely, you will see that most things on the page do have references. Please have another quick look and reclass it to a better rating. B or C possibly now?

Domiy (talk) 23:50, 13 July 2008 (UTC)

Steve Gardner
Hey, I honestly can't remember where/if I read about the Gardner who played in Sweden also playing for City - if the evidence points to there being two players of that name then there are probably two players of that name! Cheers, GiantSnowman 16:14, 14 July 2008 (UTC)

dean windass
yes i understand it is for league games only, however on the official hull city webstite, it states he has played 38(2) and scored 13 league goals. cheers (Barmybantam) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Barmybantam (talk • contribs) 17:35, 14 July 2008 (UTC)