Wikipedia:Teahouse/Questions/Archive 1124

Sandbox
Hi, May I know how can I find my sandbox? Thanks! NataliaNutella1226 (talk) 01:44, 14 September 2021 (UTC)
 * hi there, you may find it by pressing the sandbox button on the header, or by clicking this link: User:NataliaNutella1226/sandbox. happy editing! melecie   t  01:57, 14 September 2021 (UTC)

how do you make templates. example :({Template|User's joke template})
i need help pls User492061268 (talk) 04:11, 14 September 2021 (UTC)


 * Hi User492061268! Making templates is one of the more advanced things you can do on Wikipedia. What are you looking to make a template for? &#123;{u&#124; Sdkb  }&#125;  talk 04:17, 14 September 2021 (UTC)

Citing sources when you are using Summary style
Hi, I have a question about the expectation for citing sources when you use a summary style WP:SUMMARY.

The context is an article A, where there is a section with a brief mention of a topic (say in one or two paragraphs), but the "Main" template is placed in that section, to refer to an article B that has extensive content about that topic, and is fully referenced. What is the expectation for citing sources in the summary content in article A ? Provided that the statements written in article A are similar to those in article B, and are supported with citations in article B, is that sufficient ?

Here is one illustrative example: Methven,_New_Zealand In this case, article A is Methven, New Zealand, and article B is Rangitata Diversion Race. Note: I am looking for feedback on the general approach, not specific comments on this example. Thanks Marshelec (talk) 03:29, 14 September 2021 (UTC)


 * Hi Marshelec! Generally, each article is expected to stand on its own, not require readers to click through in order to find references. So I would copy whatever reference(s) you need to Article A to support the summary. Cheers, &#123;{u&#124; Sdkb  }&#125;  talk 04:19, 14 September 2021 (UTC)

Sports template errors
Hello

Im working to edit a sports league page. Im adding a new separate section with a league map.

In preview im getting these errors and im not sure how to fix them:

''Warning: orphaned results = col_S

Warning: orphaned results = text_S''

The layout isn't broken it looks exactly as i want it to but obviously i can't submit the page with such errors.

If needed i can post the full wiki code here. Im just not sure right now how best to do that. Americanu197 (talk) 21:22, 13 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Rather than posting the wikicode here, save it in your sandbox & give us a link. --David Biddulph (talk) 21:26, 13 September 2021 (UTC)
 * @Americanu197 Welcome to Tea House! Normally I wouldn't say publish it, but if it looks fine, publish it and tag me with the article/template. I can have a look and show you afterwards what the issue was. It sounds like either some old parameters are unnecessarily added, or expecting to be completed with some value, but they're not breaking the template. Happy editing (and breaking things!) ~ Shushugah (he/him • talk) 21:28, 13 September 2021 (UTC)
 * I assume that you're talking about User:Americanu197/sandbox? I'm not an expert in the functioning of Module:Sports table, but from similar questions in the past I think that the answer may be that those parameters aren't defined until the relegation play-offs have taken place.  You may get better advice from experts in that module, perhaps at Module talk:Sports table. --David Biddulph (talk) 08:59, 14 September 2021 (UTC)

Unwanted action of the Citation bot
In a citation (No.28) in an article (Margaret Dovaston) that I edited, I added Wikilinks to the names of artists (Fortunino Matania and Raymond Sheppard) mentioned in the citation. The bot removed (on 28 July 2021) what I considered the helpful Wikilinks. Was this reasonable?BFP1 (talk) 15:09, 13 September 2021 (UTC) BFP1 (talk) 15:09, 13 September 2021 (UTC)


 * could you possibly link to the diff of the edit you did and the bot did? Blaze The Wolf &#124; Proud Furry and Wikipedia Editor (talk) (Stupidity by me) 15:15, 13 September 2021 (UTC)


 * Courtesy link Margaret Dovaston. The edit in question is Special:Diff/1035893279 in which Citation bot removed some wikilinks, I guess because they were inside the title of a reference. I'm not sure if there's a specific guideline that disallows links in a reference title. CodeTalker (talk) 16:27, 13 September 2021 (UTC)


 * In Manual of Style/Linking paragraph 1.2.3. there is an example of linking in a citation, although I do not know whether it can also apply to the reference title BFP1 (talk) 17:18, 13 September 2021 (UTC)
 * In cite book, there's a parameter title-link for use when the book itself has a WP article. This leads me to believe that linking within the title field itself is not supported. Personally, I'm not a fan of linking within works' titles even in running text, as I think it's more distracting than the links are worth. If you absolutely want to include links, however, you could add "along with works by Fortunino Matania and Raymond Sheppard" to the end of the sentence that the citation sources. Deor (talk) 18:56, 13 September 2021 (UTC)


 * In this example there's a simple remedy. If you think the reader will be sufficiently interested in Fortunino Matania and Raymond Sheppard to want to read their articles, when they've heard that Dovaston featured in a joint exhibition with them, then change the text of the article to mention them by name: "A few months before her death, her paintings were exhibted at Foyles Art Gallery in London alongside works by Fortunino Matania and Raymond Sheppard". You can reference this statement with the existing reference, which no longer needs the wiki-link that upset CitationBot. It's also more convenient for the reader. If you don't think the reader will be led astray to follow the links then you also don't need to mention Matania and Sheppard. Hope this helps! Elemimele (talk) 18:46, 13 September 2021 (UTC)
 * As the timestamps indicate, Elemimele's edit was posted while I was still pondering the wording of mine with the edit window open. I don't know why this happens sometimes, but it's not the first time it has happened to me. Deor (talk) 18:59, 13 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Sorry, happens to me too! Elemimele (talk) 19:30, 13 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Don't be sorry, Elemimele. I just wanted to acknowledge your priority, since we made similar suggestions. Deor (talk) 19:38, 13 September 2021 (UTC)


 * Thanks and . I have added text as suggested. It might be useful to indicate in Manual of Style/Linking that citation titles should not include links. BFP1 (talk) 09:31, 14 September 2021 (UTC)

AFC is denied publication for third time - why?
Hi, my 'article for creation' keeps getting denied for publication.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Make_a_Difference_Foundation

Why is this the case? I have added multiple independent secondary sources.

Thanks Comms 1 - MAD Foundation Inc. (talk) 04:33, 14 September 2021 (UTC)


 * I quote the template that has been attached three times: . The draft does indeed have eleven references. Now, start by mentally whittling these eleven down to however many are from published, reliable, secondary sources that are independent of the Make a Difference Foundation. No need to list all of these here; instead, please just tell us the three among them that provide the most significant coverage. -- Hoary (talk) 04:59, 14 September 2021 (UTC)


 * Your username leads me to believe that you have a conflict of interest, which you must disclose on your user page. Note that if your draft is accepted as an article, no one from your foundation will be allowed to directly edit it.  Instead, you'll be able to submit edit requests on the article talk page to request that independent editors make the changes for you.  Thanks!  GoingBatty (talk) 05:23, 14 September 2021 (UTC)
 * You have declared your COI on your User page (volunteer for MADF), which is good. Address the refs review Hoary requested. As written, after four Declined, refs are weak, and some sections have no references. Per GoingBatty, get as much into the draft as possible, because if it is ever accepted, you will no longer be able to edit directly. And last, accept that it is possible that the foundation does not meet Wikipedia's concept of notability. David notMD (talk) 10:17, 14 September 2021 (UTC)

Can I find an editor?
Can I find an editor to edit something on a semi-protected wikipedia? 188.24.219.130 (talk) 10:47, 14 September 2021 (UTC)
 * You can use Template:Edit semi-protected on the article's talkpage. You'll find further advice at Edit requests.  - David Biddulph (talk) 10:58, 14 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Hello User with the IP adress 188.24.219.130, and welcome to the Teahouse. The easiest thing to do would be to leave a message at the talk page of the article and add (as it appears when viewing this page) to it. See WP:Edit requests for details. Victor Schmidt (talk) 11:03, 14 September 2021 (UTC)

My submission has been declined more than 5 times
Hey there, My draft has been declining continuously, I have tried more than 10 times but it still showing "This submission's references do not show that the subject qualifies for a Wikipedia article. What does it means and please help me and resolve this issue as soon as possible? Pradhuman Barmera (talk) 07:53, 14 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. Wikipedia has no deadlines so I'm wondering what the source of your urgency is?  A Wikipedia article about a person must summarize what independent reliable sources with significant coverage have chosen on their own to say about a person, showing how they meet the special Wikipedia definition of a notable person. Interviews with the subject, or any other materials put out by the subject themselves, do not establish notability.  We want to know what others say about him, not what he says about himself. Please see Your First Article for more information. 331dot (talk) 07:59, 14 September 2021 (UTC)


 * What it means is explained in its continuation: Do you not understand this? -- Hoary (talk) 11:47, 14 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Courtesy Draft:Ramveer Tanwar. There are technical issues - the refs are not created in the text of the article, much of the content is not referenced, and Say Earth has a forbidden hyperlink in the article - but separate from that and more important, Mr. Tanwar's modest accomplishments do not reach Wikipedia's criteria for notability. This may just be WP:TOOSOON. David notMD (talk) 13:03, 14 September 2021 (UTC)

Block editors
Is there anyway to block editors who I have found to be quite rude and insulting? Cheers DragonofBatley (talk) 13:18, 11 September 2021 (UTC) DragonofBatley (talk) 13:18, 11 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. If there is a specific situation you are referencing it would help to know what it is to give you the best answer relevant to you. Generally speaking, though, I can say that only administrators may block editors. If others are using personal attacks against you or otherwise being rude, it may be reported to WP:ANI.  Be aware that your own behavior will be examined as well, not just those that you bring up. 331dot (talk) 13:21, 11 September 2021 (UTC)
 * thanks for your reply it is mostly down to a recent couple of disagreements in regards to Talk:Skegness and I felt two of the editors on the demographic discussion spoke out of line towards me. By making assumptions and one of them has had a slight few issues with me especially on matters such as Batley, Dewsbury, Heavy Woollen District and Halifax, West Yorkshire over using words like large, coined term and me criticizing the national comparison to towns like Skegness which uses present tense and clogs up the demographic section but despite opposing it. I was told I was both against it (which i was not) and for it not suiting me. I do admit when I was really drunk one night I made a very silly edit to the notable people section of Batley adding myself and then it getting reverted. I apologized but the editor who made the comment never responded and had a gripe with me since until the last discussion. I have asked them and another editor to not involve me in future conversations but I feel if I could block them. It would solve future chances of conflict with them. DragonofBatley (talk) 13:28, 11 September 2021 (UTC)
 * I will be unavailable for a bit so I can't look at this carefully, but as I said only administrators can block editors. If you are disengaging from the situation that should resolve the issue. If you are contacted despite your wishes not to be, that can be reported. I might suggest that you not edit if you are drunk as you could be blocked if it becomes a problem. 331dot (talk) 13:35, 11 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Nah I will not it was one silly edit. I am mostly especially at Wiki:Geography quite hands on in discussions and many have cited my edits and articles as helpful and reliable. I will make sure Wiki is off when I am drunk :) DragonofBatley (talk) 13:38, 11 September 2021 (UTC)


 * Having skimmed Talk:Skegness, I fail to see who has been "quite rude and insulting" towards you. When party X comes here to complain about party Y, I usually ping party Y when giving an answer (many gripes are created from discussing someone’s motives etc. behind their backs when an open discussion would clear the air); but here, I am not even sure whom to ping.
 * If I had to take a guess, I assume you took badly It is you who need to take advice from editors like Noswall59 who have experience of writing good articles, but frankly, if that is enough to tick you off, you will find Wikipedia editing to be quite a stressful experience. I strongly advise against bringing such a frivolous complaint to ANI.
 * What you can do is ask people to keep off your talk page (User talk:DragonofBatley). Such requests are supposed to be obeyed (except when the guidelines require you to leave a standardized notice etc. on someone’s page). However, they will not keep off talk pages of articles, or stop interacting with you, just because you want it, so I do not suppose it solves your "problem". An interaction ban needs admin/community approval and those are very rarely approved (the admins have to be convinced that X has acted entirely unreasonably, broke civility guidelines etc. towards user Y, and would do it again unless restrained, but it is due to a particular personality clash and X will act perfectly fine towards other users). Tigraan Click here for my talk page ("private" contact) 11:31, 13 September 2021 (UTC)
 * thank you for your reply and yeah I'll be honest that one line by Esemgee did actually offend me because he has as mentioned above an issue with me on Batley Dewsbury anything West Yorkshire related and to be honest I have found him quite rude and obnoxious in the sense they think I don't write good articles. His user talk: Esemgee page has much to be desired given in 2016 he called the list of places of worship in Leeds one of the worst pages on the encyclopedia. And also has a gripe with me over many edits and Noswall59 had gone on to make assumptions. It's a shame I can't block them like you could someone on Facebook because they are in my eyes far from civil towards me. Especially Esemgee but that's my own assumption. They've never contributed to anything positive to me but call me meaningless and useless in how they approach their edit summaries. Has good experience of writing good articles. Seriously can they be reasoned with or are they egotistical? That's not me attacking them in merely asking given this is an encyclopedia but they treat it like their own Facebook page.? DragonofBatley (talk) 11:39, 13 September 2021 (UTC)
 * You have never contributed to anything positive on Wikipedia, and you are quite rude and obnoxious.
 * No, I do not really think that; I only copy-pasted what you just said about another editor. That was not pleasant to read, was it?
 * If you want complain about ’s conduct you can do so; go to WP:ANI and make sure to bring diffs of the problematic edits, not just vague assertions like the above. (Again, I advise against doing so, doubly so now that you have posted something that is clearly a violation of WP:NPA / WP:AGF, and triply so if the best you can find is a 2016 dispute you were not a party to where they said something that is not even problematic.)
 * Otherwise, assume good faith of your fellow editors, and do not ascribe to them nefarious motives, even if such motives seem obvious to you. Try to "reason with them" even if you think it is futile, and be open to the possibility that they might be the ones convincing you, however implausible it might seem at first. If, and only if, you can identify a clear behavioural problem with multiple diffs in breach of guidelines (or one diff extremely out of line), should you go the "legal" way. Tigraan Click here for my talk page ("private" contact) 08:31, 14 September 2021 (UTC)
 * I disagree with you on your above comment on nothing positive. Did you read back through all my old history? I've made articles and helped improve articles. Many editors have thanked me and so I have contributed positively to wiki so that there is your own assumption not factual. And in terms of rude yea I might be but so have other editors to me. So I'm bad for being rude okay. I'm obnoxious okay. I'm autistic and you've just called me all that. Thank you. I might heed your advise from you. Given I'm rude according to you. That's fine I haven't been looking for trouble but I've never called a list of places the worst list on an encyclopedia either. Editors clearly don't like me what more can i do? Nothing exactly because I call out a nasty remark and would like to be able to avoid seeing further contributions from them two but can't. Yet I can't write a good article and they can get away with saying that but If I say that and I'm deemed rude. It's okay? Wiki clearly hates me because I contribute and it's always seen as a bad thing. I'm not rude and obnoxious 🙄 but you clearly think I am so thank you for making a false assumption. You'd understand if you were in my position of feeling insulted and wanting to end it. But thank you for your help and insightful assumptions on me being a leech on wiki with being negative and vile 🐲 DragonofBatley (talk) 09:32, 14 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Please take this dispute to your talk page. Also, being autistic isn't an excuse for your behavior (I'm autistic as well, and yet I don't feel the need to have disputes with editors... or at least, not anymore). Blaze The Wolf &#124; Proud Furry and Wikipedia Editor (talk) (Stupidity by me) 14:49, 14 September 2021 (UTC)
 * hi yeah I replied on my talkpage. Unfortunately we aren't all on the same spectrum or way of thinking. Some people with different spectrums handle things in different ways to others. Bit like Depression some drink some get help or some cope. We all are different and I have felt attacked by the said editors mentioned and briefly now by Tigraan. Who seemed willing to help but then ranted at me for being negative and rude unpositive etc but doesn't seem to see I created articles like Borough of Chesterfield Borough of Blackpool Borough of Middlesbrough Shropshire (district) Durham (district) Cromford and High Peak Railway station pages which were never made etc. Even the Leek and Manifold Valley Light Railway stations which were missing. Point is I'm far far from negative but I've been assumed to be rude and nothing positive when I've made a lot of articles for geography and railways. If anything I've helped enhance and contribute to Wikipedia maybe check my article contributions before assuming rudeness? Anyway I've said all I've got to say. Blaze I'll take your help when I've had my month off or hibernation 🐲 as I like to call it regards to all.

Recent Edit Suggestions Ignored
I have declared my COI on my user page and submitted edits with references to the Dover Corporation Wikipedia Talk Page in the format that was requested by a Wikipedia editor. My most recent round of edits have not received a response. Again, I am only looking to update basic facts about Dover, the parent corporation of my company OPW. Please let me know how to proceed. I have been looking to get factual information updated for more than 3 months, and have made all the recommended adjustments. I would like to have a few details (including our financials) updated in the interest of presenting an accurate portrayal of Dover, a publicly traded company.

Please advise on my next steps.

Lisa Moloney, Global Communications Manager OPW, A Dover Company LisaMoloney (talk) 13:59, 14 September 2021 (UTC) LisaMoloney (talk) 13:59, 14 September 2021 (UTC)


 * Please be patient, your requests will not be fulfilled instantly. Blaze The Wolf &#124; Proud Furry and Wikipedia Editor (talk) (Stupidity by me) 14:17, 14 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Your August 16 request appears to be in the queue. You could consider contacting User:Quetstar to learn if that person is going to continue to look at the request, as follow-up to your exchange of messages, or expects someone else to take up the task. I do see that you have properly declared your Paid relationship. David notMD (talk) 16:30, 14 September 2021 (UTC)

Please help... I messed up
Please help... I am trying. I thought I was doing everything correctly. I see that I wasn't... I wasn't finished with the draft. I only wanted to see what it looked like. I was trying to pattern the article off of Stan Barnes the politician and Kenny G the Saxophonist.

I am sorry if I messed up. Can you please help me or point me in the direction of someone who can.

Everytime someone looks for me as an Artist on Wikipedia, they find the other Stan Barnes'.

I don't know what to do.

Please help? and Please forgive me.

Stan Stan Barnes (Musician) (talk) 12:51, 14 September 2021 (UTC)
 * You have received advice on your user talk page at User talk:Stan Barnes (Musician). The words in blue are wikilinks to further guidance.  The most important advice is not to try to write an autobiography.  If at some stage you were to meet Wikipedia's definition of notability, or specifically WP:NMUSIC, then someone independent could write an article about you.  - David Biddulph (talk) 12:58, 14 September 2021 (UTC)
 * (ec) Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. Don't feel too bad about things, anything can be fixed. I think that you confused creating an article with creating an account. You edited your user page, which is not article space, but a place for you to tell about yourself as a Wikipedia editor. New users cannot directly create articles and must use Articles for creation to create and submit a draft.
 * Wikipedia has no control over Google search results, and does not have articles solely for the purpose of influencing search results. As a musician, you would merit an article if you receive significant coverage in independent reliable sources that have chosen on their own to write about you, showing how you meet Wikipedia's special definition of a notable musician. Wikipedia is not interested in what people say about themselves, only in what others completely unconnected with them say. Autobiographical articles are strongly discouraged, please see the autobiography policy. If you meet the criteria, someone else will eventually take note of your career and choose to write about you. Be aware that a Wikipedia article is not necessarily desirable. 331dot (talk) 13:05, 14 September 2021 (UTC)

User talk:Stan Barnes (Musician) I decided to see if there were newspaper articles about a musician named Stan Barnes and I was only able to find one, which I believe is about you: Firefighter’s other job saves lives through jazz, Detroit Free Press, November 11, 2007, page 4. (If you, or a friend, subscribes to newspapers.com, you can obtain a copy of this article, or it may be available from the Detroit Free Press.) Unfortunately Wikipedia wants at least three articles that gives in-depth coverage of a person (not just mentioning a person's name) to help establish that the person is considered notable.

As 331dot stated, Wikipedia discourages people from writing about themselves, but if you read all of "blue links" listed above, and you still want to try and write a neutral-worded article about yourself, (and if the article I found is about you,) than you would need two more articles that do not originate from you. No press releases, nothing that is quoting what your website says about you. If you haven't received much media coverage, then it is unlikely you'll be able to get a Wikipedia article published. Karenthewriter (talk) 16:52, 14 September 2021 (UTC)

How do you add the `See also` thingy to a page?
Otaku Anonymous (talk) 17:30, 14 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Do you mean the hatnote? Place   right under the section header. Pyrrho the Skeptic (talk) 17:40, 14 September 2021 (UTC)

Article constantly vandalised
The page The Kid Laroi is being constantly vandalised. Is there a way to protect the page some how? Grapepinky (talk) 17:47, 14 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. If an article is habitually vandalized, you may request page protection at WP:RFPP. 331dot (talk) 17:48, 14 September 2021 (UTC)

Will be so thankful for answering ❤️ Katerina Spravtseva (talk) 18:05, 14 September 2021 (UTC)Katetina Spravtseva


 * Your response makes me think you're possibly a sock of Grapepinky, however I will WP:AGF and assume you meant to ask a question. What was your question so I can add an appropriate header to separate your question from the above? Blaze The Wolf &#124; Proud Furry &#124; Discord: Blaze Wolf#0001 (talk) 18:33, 14 September 2021 (UTC)

Not sure which image public domain template to use
I recently found a document which I plan to use photos from for an article I am working on editing, specifically Flare, specifically photos from Chapter 5. The document which I found the photos in says it is in the public domain (at the bottom of the document), yet it doesn't match up with any of the public domain file copyright tags that I have looked through. The document specifically says the following:

"Publications and training materials produced by NWCG are in the public domain. Use of public domain information, including copying, is permitted. Use of NWCG information within another document is permitted if NWCG information is accurately credited to NWCG. The NWCG logo may not be used except on NWCG authorized information. “National Wildfire Coordinating Group,” “NWCG,” and the NWCG logo are trademarks of NWCG."

I was wondering if anyone knows which copyright tag it matches up with and possibly if the photo is or isn't permitted to be uploaded to Wikipedia. Thank You So Much!

Sincerely, Rafaelmanman Rafaelmanman (talk) 22:03, 13 September 2021 (UTC)


 * This is indeed rather bizarre. . If this is the public domain in the legal sense of this term (at least as I understand it), then NWCG has waived all its standard rights to it and therefore may not say, for example, If you upload this material, you should upload it to Commons, not here; and if before uploading it you ask about it at commons:Commons:Village pump/Copyright, as you should, you're likely to get expert advice. So I suggest that you ask there. -- Hoary (talk) 00:18, 14 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Since they have a .gov address I would assume they're PD-USGov (Anything produced by the federal government of the United States or an agency thereof is public domain by law). —A little blue Bori  v^_^v  Jéské Couriano 02:01, 14 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Well, for starters, we're told that "[PD-USGov] should not be used if the department or part of the federal government which produced the work is known". Again, I recommend that, if they're not related to "fair use", questions about image copyright are better asked at commons:Commons:Village pump/Copyright. -- Hoary (talk) 02:19, 14 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Thank you all for the ideas. I will make sure to ask in wikipedia commons. Rafaelmanman (talk) 20:39, 14 September 2021 (UTC)

Clarification on what is a personal attack
Hey! So a user (not stating who specifically) asked that me and another user be banned on a talk page without assuming good faith for a reason that I"m not really able to discuss here without going into to much detail. If you would like me to link to the talk page where this is going on I can. But I have to ask, would this be considered a personal attack? Blaze The Wolf &#124; Proud Furry &#124; Discord: Blaze Wolf#0001 (talk) 20:04, 14 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Without knowing the details, WP:NPA and WP:CIVIL are the relevant policies. Generally, any comment you make about another editor is potentially a personal attack. Restrict your comments to article content. I am not sure what else to say. ~Anachronist (talk) 20:35, 14 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Looking at Talk:Bomberman which is where this appears to have occurred, no I don't think it's a personal attack but failure to follow WP:AGF due to one editor's frustration. No administrator would take it seriously. I don't like the instability the page has experienced, however. If that continues it can be protected until the content dispute is resolved. ~Anachronist (talk) 20:45, 14 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Alright. Thanks! I was a bit confused when the editor asked that I be banned when all I had done was tell them not to copy and paste the same edit summary because it can cause confusion as to what the edit was for. Blaze The Wolf &#124; Proud Furry &#124; Discord: Blaze Wolf#0001 (talk) 20:57, 14 September 2021 (UTC)
 * @, What constitutes a personal attack is covered under NPA. As for the topic on banning of posting on TP's, (Assuming it’s their own tp)whilst no policy mandates you to oblige their request, it is behoove of any responsible editor to oblige this request. If you think they are making problematic edits, warn them and if they tell you not to post on their talk page, please do just that, if it is your belief that their edits pose a threat to the collaborative project, you can file an official report to draw attention to this. Celestina007 (talk) 21:50, 14 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Alright thanks! Blaze The Wolf &#124; Proud Furry &#124; Discord: Blaze Wolf#0001 (talk) 21:52, 14 September 2021 (UTC)

Profile pics of Infobox musical artist
I used the Infobox musical artist to get summary description about my client. I want to know how i can add a profile pic on Infobox musical artist template.

Regards,

Charles Hubbard 197.215.23.124 (talk) 07:30, 14 September 2021 (UTC)
 * This is the only edit from this IP, so I cannot determine which article this refers to. However, if you recive or, expect to recive, compensation for your edits, this MUST be disclosed. See WP:PAID for more info (this is easier when using a named account - IP's can change). This is a Terms of Use requirement and not negotiable. In addition, Wikipedia has no profiles (thats a social media term, but we aren't social media, but encyclopedic articles, mainly based on what people unconnected with a subject have written about a subject in reliable sources. Nobody owns an article here. With regards to images, for living people Wikipedia only accepts freely licensed images. Victor Schmidt (talk) 08:21, 14 September 2021 (UTC)
 * See also WP:Donating copyrighted materials. GoingBatty (talk) 01:57, 15 September 2021 (UTC)

pages that need help
Where do I go to find pages that need helping and editing like adding citations? The Tips of Apmh (talk) 02:41, 15 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Welcome to the Teahouse! For articles that need citations, see Category:All articles lacking sources.  Happy editing!  GoingBatty (talk) 03:44, 15 September 2021 (UTC)

Inserting links bug? Not working as it should be for me, please help.
Hello, i'm trying to insert links so that when you click a word that I put, it goes to the relative url. I have tried to do this using the insert link feature that can be seen when editing, and I filled out the 2 boxes appropriately with the url and text to be displayed, on mobile and desktop, but it's not working at all for me. Please tell me the way that you do this. Thank you - Falcon  talk 06:27, 15 September 2021 (UTC)
 * I'm not sure why that's not working for you. You could also type out link syntax directly in source editing mode. For example, typing  will render as train, while   will render as choo-choo train. More details can be found at H:WIKILINK.  ◢  Ganbaruby!   (talk) 06:31, 15 September 2021 (UTC)
 * I found the help article on interwiki linking, and subsequently learnt how to do these links. I'm not sure why the insert link feature doesn't work though on the editing toolbar. Anyway, thanks for your help. - Falcon  talk 06:39, 15 September 2021 (UTC)

who is editing my changes
Ayansharma214sar (talk) 05:17, 15 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Welcome to the Teahouse! At the top of every page is a tab labeled "View history".  If you click on this tab, you can see everyone who edited a page and when.  Hope this helps, and happy editing!  GoingBatty (talk) 05:24, 15 September 2021 (UTC)
 * hello, as I have mentioned on your talk page, your edits are mainly unsourced, and all of your big edits are unsourced. Information on articles needs to be cited with sources and references. Your edits are being reverted as they aren't cited with sources. Your edits could in a way be classed as disruptive, if you continue to add big, unsourced edits to articles. - Falcon  talk 05:28, 15 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Per your Contributions list and Talk page, all but one of your changes have been reverted, by many editors, and you have been blocked for one week as a 'cooling off' period. The reverts were because you were adding too many images and because your text changes never had references. All content needs to be verified by references. David notMD (talk) 11:23, 15 September 2021 (UTC)

Help with publishing
Hello, I am having a difficult time with my submission and it takes quite a bit more time to research than I have available. I was approached through email by someone who offered to create the page and accept payment after it has been approved. I am interested in doing this but having trouble confirming legitimacy. Also, once the page has been approved I was informed by another contact that it will need to be monitored for 3-4 months? Thank you for your time. AmyLawton (talk) 16:29, 14 September 2021 (UTC) AmyLawton (talk) 16:29, 14 September 2021 (UTC)


 * If you have been paid to make the article please make sure to see WP:PAID. If you are having trouble confirming legitimacy do not accept the payment as it is most likely a scam. Blaze The Wolf &#124; Proud Furry &#124; Discord: Blaze Wolf#0001 (talk) 16:31, 14 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Offers to create articles for payment are often scams. These people may create articles without going through the review process, and then are unresponsive (no refund) when a fatally flawed article is deleted by the New Pages Patrol. David notMD (talk) 16:35, 14 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Appears your draft about Marc Rothenberg was deleted for six months of inactivity. You can request an undeletion via Requests for undeletion/G13 or just start over. Modeling a draft on existing articles is useful but not a guarantee of success, as many (mostly older) articles exist that to not meet current standards for biographies of living people. David notMD (talk) 16:40, 14 September 2021 (UTC)


 * Thank you for the reply. 205.142.197.33 (talk) 14:34, 15 September 2021 (UTC)

COI header on page
Hello, is it possible to get a conflict of interest banner removed from a page? I have been very up front about my conflict of interest and am keen to work with editors to make any adjustments needed to get this tag removed. GlobalEducation 13:37, 15 September 2021 (UTC)
 * The banner is there to inform editors of those who might have a Conflict of Interest with the page. Blaze The Wolf &#124; Proud Furry &#124; Discord: Blaze Wolf#0001 (talk) 13:39, 15 September 2021 (UTC)
 * , I see that you're employed by Cognita. By editing the Cognita article yourself, you're helping to ensure that the CoI banner remains in place. Maproom (talk) 14:41, 15 September 2021 (UTC)
 * , hello there and welcome to the Teahouse. In addition to what correctly told you, look, you shouldn’t even be actively editing an article you have a COI with. Rather, it is good practice to suggest the edits in the talk page of the article. Celestina007 (talk) 14:48, 15 September 2021 (UTC)

Howard Sandroff
Friends, I have been trying for years to encourage someone to correct/expand/update the biorgraphical article about me as it is very poor and out of date. No one has responded t my numerous requests/begging. the original article appeared in the German Wikipedia, the current english version is a machine translation, and includes incorrect information about me, my work and just about everything else. Also, much has changed.

I'd be happy to help create a better article if only I can find a Wikipedia editor to work on the article. I have been making these requests every few years for over a decade and no one seems interested, HELP!!!! 2601:246:102:E000:1998:D6F9:3703:1B6E (talk) 14:36, 15 September 2021 (UTC)


 * This is about Howard Sandroff. IP user also known as, if you write at the article's talk page (something I see you've done before) giving details of the changes you'd like made, preferably with references, it's likely that someone will respond. Maproom (talk) 14:49, 15 September 2021 (UTC)


 * Hello, you are currently logged out and didn't include a link to the article Howard Sandroff in mind. I see you've made general requests in 2017 and 2020, and would encourage you to make specific Edit request's including with supporting links. You mentioned retiring for example, but provided no sources, which means extra work for any volunteer editor. I appreciate your respect of WP:COI and encourage you to make specific edit requests at the Talk page. ~ 🦝 Shushugah (he/him • talk) 14:49, 15 September 2021 (UTC)

my bio
I wanted to write a page about my non profit to help women get breast reconstruction. BRAVEcoalition.org is the name of the charity and the website. Is this acceptable? Christine Groganchris (talk) 14:35, 15 September 2021 (UTC)
 * @, hello and welcome to the Teahouse. unfortunately no, it’s a noble cause no doubt, but if you do that (creating that article) you’d be using Wikipedia for purposes it isn’t intended for. See WP:NOT and violating other policies. However you may go to WP:RA and include the name of your organization there. If you want a more lengthy in-depth explanation indicate and I would expatiate. Celestina007 (talk) 15:04, 15 September 2021 (UTC)

Thank you @GoingBatty!!
I couldn't find my original question to send a thank you so am doing it this way instead...hope it's ok. Thank you @GoingBatty and another very helpful host who helped me fix my first article. I'm sorry I can't find the second person's username. Your push for more independent sources made me find a NY Times article! =) I removed unnecessary adjectives and if I must say so myself, it's a pretty darn neutral piece that is well cited. ;) THANKS for being willing to answer the same questions over and over again from all of us newbies! I hope to be able to pay it forward in the Wiki space one day. Iedit4life (talk) 23:46, 14 September 2021 (UTC) Iedit4life (talk) 23:46, 14 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Tagging Pyrrho the Skeptic (talk) 16:38, 15 September 2021 (UTC)

The English link to Cao E is redirected to the Dragonboatfestival
Dear editors, I have written a Dutch page about Cao E and try to connect that page with the English Cao E page, but the English Cao E page is a redirection to the Dragonboadfestival. For that reason I can not link those two and like to ask help on this. Thanks in advance. Kind regards, Arno Arno Jacobs (talk) 07:36, 15 September 2021 (UTC)


 * @Arno Jacobs Welcome to the Teahouse. It would have helped if you had provided links to the relevant pages. In particular, where is the English page on Cao E that you refer to? Until there is a draft page ‘’in English’’ about Cae E that’s ready to be made a full article, there can’t be a direct link to it from Dutch Wikipedia. However you may immediately link ‘’to’’ the Dutch article from Dragon Boat Festival by using an inter language wiki link. See WP:ILL for how to deploy it. Nick Moyes (talk) 08:00, 15 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Dear Nick, thank for your reaction. I will try to use the inter wiki link in my first attempt, there is not a Cao E page in English, only the Dragon Boat Festival link to Cao E. Kind regards, Arno Arno Jacobs (talk) 08:06, 15 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Unfortunate the inter wiki link is deleted very fast by another editor, back to start. Another page of Cao E in English is not possible because of the redirection connection. I do not understand how this works, I am a beginner since a few month. Arno Jacobs (talk) 09:19, 15 September 2021 (UTC)
 * The editor who responded to your edit included an appropriate link using the ill template, as described at WP:ILL. - David Biddulph (talk) 09:30, 15 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Thanks Arno Jacobs (talk) 16:55, 15 September 2021 (UTC)

Some links and explanations: on the English Wikipedia, there's, which redirects to Dragon Boat Festival. On the Dutch Wikipedia, there's nl:Cao E and nl:Drakenbootfeest. The Dutch Drakenbootfeest and the English Dragon Boat Festival pages are linked through Q1254268 on Wikidata. Cao E is Q11091010, with links to the Korean and Chinese Wikipedias. It's not possible to add a link there to, because it's a redirect. , if you want to translate the Dutch article to English, your best option is to go through the Articles for creation process to create Draft:Cao E. Hope this helps! --rchard2scout (talk) 12:29, 15 September 2021 (UTC)


 * This explanes a lot. Thank you very much for your complete reaction, I know what to do. Kind regards, Arno Jacobs (talk) 12:33, 15 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Wikidata cannot be used to link to redirects. I don't know the policies of the Dutch Wikipedia but if you add  to the end of nl:Cao E then it makes a link under languages to the English redirect Cao E. I guess this is what you want. If you want to turn the redirect into an article then see Help:Redirect. PrimeHunter (talk) 12:37, 15 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Thanks Arno Jacobs (talk) 16:54, 15 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Thank you very much, it is worth to give it a try. Kind regards Arno Jacobs (talk) 16:57, 15 September 2021 (UTC)

bts
123.201.174.151 (talk) 05:46, 15 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Hello 123.201, welcome to the Teahouse. Do you have a question about editing Wikipedia? — Berrely  • Talk∕Contribs 06:46, 15 September 2021 (UTC)
 * What do you mean? The questions right there.


 * B oy
 * T hat
 * S tupid fair-use criteria
 * Panini! 🥪 12:26, 15 September 2021 (UTC)
 * My guess would be they have a question about the Korean boy-band BTS, but I could be wrong. Blaze The Wolf &#124; Proud Furry &#124; Discord: Blaze Wolf#0001 (talk) 17:48, 15 September 2021 (UTC)

Help!
Can any Wikipedian who has access to JSTOR, help me to access this?  Peter Ormond &#128172;  15:19, 15 September 2021 (UTC)


 * I have access. What is it exactly you would like? Please continue on my Talk Page... Mike Turnbull (talk) 16:46, 15 September 2021 (UTC)
 * @Peter Ormond, in the future I'd recommend the resource exchange instead for such matters, as the dedicated forum :) — Berrely  • Talk∕Contribs 16:52, 15 September 2021 (UTC)
 * This may seem a bit odd but what's JSTOR? Blaze The Wolf &#124; Proud Furry &#124; Discord: Blaze Wolf#0001 (talk) 17:44, 15 September 2021 (UTC)
 * See Wikipedia's article about JSTOR. GoingBatty (talk) 17:54, 15 September 2021 (UTC)
 * JSTOR. See also WP:LIBRARY. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 17:54, 15 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Oh ok! Thanks! Blaze The Wolf &#124; Proud Furry &#124; Discord: Blaze Wolf#0001 (talk) 17:57, 15 September 2021 (UTC)

Thank you for your help!  Peter Ormond &#128172;  16:56, 15 September 2021 (UTC)

Reliability of Joystiq
Is Joystiq a reliable source that can be used to establish notability? The few mentions it's had at WP:RSN seem mixed and a decade old. It appears the webstite was replaced by Engadget, which is listed at WP:RSP as generally reliable. However, the Wikipedia page describes Joystiq as a blog so it seems like WP:BLOG would be relevant. TipsyElephant (talk) 18:23, 15 September 2021 (UTC)


 * Per WikiProject Video games/Sources, it looks like it's considered generally reliable. &#123;{u&#124; Sdkb  }&#125;  talk 18:27, 15 September 2021 (UTC)

Edit on Syed Sharfuddin Sharaf Al Hussaini
Who are you? What's your real name and where did you find the information regarding the article Syed Sharfuddin Sharaf Al Hussaini? Rafida03 (talk) 13:04, 15 September 2021 (UTC)


 * You can see who has edited an article by clicking the "view history" tab at the top of the page. No one is obligated to give you their real name though. Princess Persnickety   (talk)  13:55, 15 September 2021 (UTC)


 * I see that at Syed Sharfuddin Sharf Al Hussaini, his dates of birth and death are shown as "1960-1878", though the source has "1878-1960". I guess that this is because the Urdu-language template has somehow exceeded its range of action. I don't know how to fix it. Maproom (talk) 14:18, 15 September 2021 (UTC)
 * I've fixed it, by reversing the dates in the source. I don't like that as a solution, as it will confuse subsequent editors. There must be a bug in the way the Urdu template is working, and fixing the bug must be better than playing along with it. Maproom (talk) 14:23, 15 September 2021 (UTC)
 * I don't think it is related to the templates since it's outside the template, but inside parenthesis. Seems like a broader wikimarkup/html bug. See Meta:RTL for insights on how Right to Left languages are handled. ~ 🦝 Shushugah (he/him • talk) 14:56, 15 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Don't use the wrong order in the source. Numbers can both be part of left-to-right and right-to-left text so if there are numbers right after text in a right-to-left script then software has to guess whether they are part of the right-to-left text. It wasn't a bug but just a wrong guess which would have been right in other circumstances. I have fixed the order and inserted a left-to-right mark to avoid guessing. PrimeHunter (talk) 18:34, 15 September 2021 (UTC)
 * The birth and death dates being 1960-1878 makes me think that they died before they were born or they were born and then went back in time and died. Blaze The Wolf &#124; Proud Furry &#124; Discord: Blaze Wolf#0001 (talk) 17:47, 15 September 2021 (UTC)

Soup Kitchens
198.29.53.122 (talk) 15:12, 15 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Greetings, and welcome to the Teahouse. Did you have a question about editing Wikipedia?  --Finngall talk  16:50, 15 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Please avoid making "troll" comments on the teahouse as it subtracts time from volunteers. Signed,Pichemist (Talk) 19:02, 15 September 2021 (UTC)

I designed ALBUM COVER: DAVID BOWIE-YOUNG AMERICANS
When I tried to add a Cover and lettering design credit, it was removed and I was told it was not helpful. I DESERVE CREDIT FOR MY WORK. Craig DeCamps Craig DeCamps (talk) 21:16, 14 September 2021 (UTC)


 * Hello Craig! You will have to provide a reliable source for the cover and lettering credit, otherwise it won't be added. Blaze The Wolf &#124; Proud Furry &#124; Discord: Blaze Wolf#0001 (talk) 21:23, 14 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Also see WP:COI because you clearly have a conflict of interest. Avoid writing about yourself on Wikipedia. Suggest a change on the talk page, with appropriate citations to reliable published sources. ~Anachronist (talk) 22:10, 14 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Here is a source that says thst Craig DeCamps designed the album cover. I also posted it at Talk: Young Americans. 23:21, 14 September 2021 (UTC)
 * In the Artwork section, I used the ref Cullen328 provided to credit DeCamps for the design. The ref did not specify lettering, so that not added. David notMD (talk) 11:10, 15 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Please don't WP:SHOUT. &#8213; Qwerfjkl  talk  18:58, 15 September 2021 (UTC)
 * I wouldn't really say that they were shouting, simply trying to make the album cover stand out by using all caps which is sometimes used when bold or italics can't be used (meaning the user probably wasn't aware that they could make text bold or italicized. Blaze The Wolf &#124; Proud Furry &#124; Discord: Blaze Wolf#0001 (talk) 19:02, 15 September 2021 (UTC)
 * @Blaze The Wolf I DESERVE CREDIT FOR MY WORK is definetly shouting. &#8213; Qwerfjkl talk  19:04, 15 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Oop didn't notice that part. Good point. Blaze The Wolf &#124; Proud Furry &#124; Discord: Blaze Wolf#0001 (talk) 19:21, 15 September 2021 (UTC)

How do I see online admins / recent edits by admins?
Is there a way to see online admins so you can ask one of them for attention? For example if you could see recent edits by admins? Also I'm kind of aware of being able to ping an admin, would this work too? - Falcon  talk 19:24, 15 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. I'm not aware of any way to specifically monitor the regular edits of all administrators. You can monitor the various logs for certain administrator actions, like deleting pages or blocks. 331dot (talk) 19:36, 15 September 2021 (UTC)


 * @Speedcuber1 Afaik, no, except you can of course ping an admin. You can see an admins edits in ther edit-history  like everyone else. Template:Admin help may be of interest. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 19:36, 15 September 2021 (UTC)


 * This tool lists admins who have recently edited (but please note the disclaimer that they may not be available to assist immediately). DanCherek (talk) 19:39, 15 September 2021 (UTC)

In-Line Citations / Reference Assistance
Hi, this is my first time writing a wikipedia article. I had submitted my draft and it had gotten flagged for citation reasons. Can someone help me understand wiki speak? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Zach_Howard Sr-sammy (talk) 19:25, 15 September 2021 (UTC)
 * The Personal life, Career and Awards sections have no refs. You also have hyperlinks in the article, which is a no-no. There are more problems, but that's a start. David notMD (talk) 19:34, 15 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Here is a source that may be useful for those sections, and some of his recent notoriety seems to surround the Hellboy franchise, so a source like this could potentially be included. Or more articles about The Cape franchise with more than a passing mention. It may be too soon for an article, but personally I think it will be fine with a few more reliable sources. Pyrrho the Skeptic (talk) 19:54, 15 September 2021 (UTC)

User subpages
How do I make a user subpage? I've already made my user page, and I want to make a subpage. Minkai (talk to me) 18:38, 15 September 2021 (UTC)


 * You can do it in multiple ways. The first way you can do so is by creating a wikilink to the name of the subpage you want to create which will be a red link (for example: User:JulieMinkai/Example) and then clicking on that red link, which will take you the the page where you can create it. The second way (that I know of) to do it is by entering it directly into the URL. So for example, you would change the url from  to  . Make sure the subpage you're creating doesn't violate any of Wikipedia's policies first though. Blaze The Wolf &#124; Proud Furry &#124; Discord: Blaze Wolf#0001 (talk) 18:47, 15 September 2021 (UTC)
 * You can also type the full name (eg  into the search box, and it will offer you the option of creating it, . --ColinFine (talk) 20:08, 15 September 2021 (UTC)

licensed
Can someone come and help with the discussion on Talk:List of longest-running video game franchises 92.236.253.249 (talk) 19:50, 15 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Which of the several discussions on that page do you want help with and what help are you asking for? RudolfRed (talk) 19:55, 15 September 2021 (UTC)

Sports series 92.236.253.249 (talk) 20:14, 15 September 2021 (UTC)

banned
I was banned

Hi, I am the pro of an organization, every time I try to rewrite wrong facts listed on a page in our name it gets taken down and I have been banned? what am I doing wrong, everything I try to change- fort he better on this site gets removed? I really am confused? tates also I am involved so have a conflict of interest, why would I be posting things on to pages I have no interest in ? or connection to ? 109.79.122.197 (talk) 19:40, 15 September 2021 (UTC)


 * Hello IP! Please do not make any more edits if you have been banned as it is seen as WP:BANEVASION. Also please make sure to take a look at WP:COI as it appears you have a conflict of interest with the page. Blaze The Wolf &#124; Proud Furry &#124; Discord: Blaze Wolf#0001 (talk) 19:43, 15 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Also, I might as well clarify since you seem confused. The reason you have a conflict of interest is because you are related to the company's article you are trying to edit due to being the Pro (Professor? Professional?) of the organization. Blaze The Wolf &#124; Proud Furry &#124; Discord: Blaze Wolf#0001 (talk) 19:45, 15 September 2021 (UTC)


 * (ec) If you are blocked(I suspect you mean that, a "ban" is different), you must return to your original account and request unblock per the instructions on your user talk page. We can address this there. 331dot (talk) 19:46, 15 September 2021 (UTC)
 * And just to add a response to the question why would I be posting things on to pages I have no ... connection to ?, because that's how Wikipedia is written. Who do you think writes all the articles you read on this website? Amateurs with enthusiasm for but no professional connection to the topics they're writing about (including the people who are replying to your question and blocking you for not reading or following our rules). — Bilorv ( talk ) 21:11, 15 September 2021 (UTC)

Donating to Wikipedia
Love Wikipedia and I donate when I can but when I donate suddenly I feel like I am such a wiki abuser for not donating more! All of the warnings in red about not donating! I am on a fixed income and while I wish I could give more, I just cant. I've donated 1 time this year about 2 months ago. You should set a cookie to people who donate that will eliminate all the red warnings. 97.121.165.108 (talk) 19:33, 15 September 2021 (UTC)


 * Hello IP! I'm not sure what red warnings you're talking about. Could you provide us with an example? Blaze The Wolf &#124; Proud Furry &#124; Discord: Blaze Wolf#0001 (talk) 19:38, 15 September 2021 (UTC)
 * We sort of have that, what you do is that you WP:REGISTER. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 19:38, 15 September 2021 (UTC)
 * You seem to know what the red warnings are. Could you give me an example of what that would look like just in case a question like this pops up in the future? I've never donated once in my entire time of being on Wikipedia and have never seen these so called "red warnings". Blaze The Wolf &#124; Proud Furry &#124; Discord: Blaze Wolf#0001 (talk) 19:41, 15 September 2021 (UTC)
 * @Blaze The Wolf You can see some examples at Wikipedia Signpost/2021-06-27/Forum. I'm unaware of any going on right now. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 19:52, 15 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Ohhh! I've seen those. I didn't exactly know what the IP meant by red warning. Blaze The Wolf &#124; Proud Furry &#124; Discord: Blaze Wolf#0001 (talk) 19:58, 15 September 2021 (UTC)


 * (ec) Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. Wikipedia has no way to know if the person sitting at your computer or holding your device at any given moment has donated or not, and also has no way to know the financial means of that person. If you create an account, you can disable the donation requests. 331dot (talk) 19:42, 15 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Hello. The Wikimedia Foundation brings in about US$125 million a year, and has assets over US$180 million. If you are on a fixed income, please feel no obligation to donate. This encyclopedia is free and there is no financial crisis. Cullen328  Let's discuss it  20:05, 15 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Agreed. Some editors (me!) would support the elimination of these banners together. We do not want people to donate more than they can afford, and I would much rather you donate your labour by helping to improve articles (we're the encyclopedia that anyone can edit)—but again, only if you're able to. — Bilorv ( talk ) 21:13, 15 September 2021 (UTC)

The style of the CSS
What happended from learning CSS style? Answer: This user is learning practice from W3Schools HTML, CSS, JS. Garlic Chill   Deal it!  21:39, 15 September 2021 (UTC)

Andrew Parker (biblicist)
Hi! I am trying to do this page here https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andrew_Parker_(biblicist) and i would dearly love some help please. A flag has been put on it because the article was missing some references. It was missing the references because i didn't realise i had to cite the references in the body of the article as well as in the list of publications. In addition, i had used some external links. I have now fixed these problems but i can't see how i remove the flag / template. Please will someone advise or remove the flag / template for me. Very many thanks for your help. julie Jmmansfield (talk) 22:05, 15 September 2021 (UTC)
 * I removed the tag. I see no remaining external links in the body. For future reference, you can remove a tag when appropriate to do so by deleting it from the page source at the very top. In this case, it would like this: </noWiki> and you can see in the page history where it was located. Pyrrho the Skeptic (talk) 22:23, 15 September 2021 (UTC)

Question by Phildoug
Phildoug (talk) 07:44, 14 September 2021 (UTC)Search offers wrong title There is an article (The Graham F Smith Peace Foundation) I am interested in. When I search for it in the 'Search Wikipedia' box top right on any page except the opening page, the autofill offers 'The Graham F Smith Peace Trust', and then directs me to the page I wanted. This works, but it does not look good for that charity, or indeed for Wikipedia. When I search from the opening Wikipedia page, with a search box in the centre, that does not give the same error, the right article title is offered, and the right article is found. I have submitted this question as a 'Question', and put it into the Sandbox. These were not the appropriate locations, it seems. I hope that this is...

Phildoug (talk) 07:44, 14 September 2021 (UTC) Phildoug (talk) 07:44, 14 September 2021 (UTC)


 * , it's enough to sign just once, at the end of a message. The Graham F. Smith Peace Foundation is a strangely titled article. (Why the "The"?) It's the target of redirects from Graham F Smith Peace Trust and Arts Peace Trust. How does this "not look good for that charity, or indeed for Wikipedia"? Now, what certainly does not look good is that the article, however titled, has no independent references whatever. It's an old article, created when we were sloppy and lazy. It risks being deleted. Can I interest you in providing its content with reliable, independent, published sources? After all, the content of any article must all be verifiable. -- Hoary (talk) 09:15, 14 September 2021 (UTC)


 * , the article is titled The Graham F. Smith Peace Foundation, with a period after the F. When I search for "The Graham F Smith Peace Foundation", with no period, Wikipedia fails to find an article with that name, and I get offered a list of candidate articles, including Billy Graham. I suggest that you create a redirect from the "F" version of the name to the "F." version; or if you don't know how, ask here and someone else will do it. Maproom (talk) 09:21, 14 September 2021 (UTC)

Thanks to those who have offered help to me, this is a problem that confuses me. To Anwser your suggestions: I hope to edit the article to improve it in the way you suggest. The article has a title which relates to the name of a charity. It is not for me to question why the 'The'. In searching for an article of interest, people often do not remember precisely the title. This is why the autofill function of the search box is so useful -- it allows someone to experiment with key words that they might remember, and see what is offered, and how that relates to their recollection of the title. So if 'graham f s' is put in (or graham f smith', &c) then the autofill offers an article with the title ('The Graham F Smith Peace Trust'), and there is no such article. (The lack of capitals and punctuation is not an unusual lapse of propriety.) That is why I suggest it doesn't look good for Wikipedia: because the offer to take the user to an article with one name results in them being taken to an article with another name. Phildoug (talk) 10:19, 14 September 2021 (UTC)


 * , people misspell, and they misremember. "Nicholas" is much commoner than "Nicolas" in Britain, and thus people are likely to type "Nicholas Bentley" even though this Brit's name was "Nicolas Bentley". Either way, Wikipedia sends them to "Nicolas Bentley". I suggest (admittedly with no evidence offhand) that people who do or don't get "Nicolas" wrong here don't care what the system looks like; that if this were removed so that people who typed "Nicholas Bentley" were not forwarded but instead drew a blank, and later realized that they shouldn't have typed the "h", they would be annoyed at themselves, Wikipedia or both; and that all in all this system is highly beneficial. (It can be and occasionally is misused, but I see no hint of misuse here.) I simply don't understand how, if "the offer to take the user to an article with one name results in them being taken to an article with another name" (and if the non-existent article with one name was probably a botched attempt to input the other name), this "doesn't look good for Wikipedia". However, I may be misunderstanding you in some way or other. If you don't want a redirect, you can appeal for its removal. First read and digest WP:Redirect, and if you still think that it should be removed, ask for this at WP:Redirects for discussion. -- Hoary (talk) 11:43, 14 September 2021 (UTC)

Hi Hoary, thanks again for your ongoing help to understand this issue. The problem isn't that the system redirects people to the right page; that is a good thing, obviously. The problem is that the system says it will direct them to a page with the title 'The Graham F Smith Peace Trust', an organisation that does not exist, and indeed a page that does not exist. Perhaps the issue is of no importance, but I thought it should be raised. Phildoug (talk) 22:36, 14 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Okay, I think I understand what your point was. I entered "The Graham F Smith Peace Trust" (note the lack of a period) into the search box and was told that there was no such page, but the correct page "The Graham F. Smith Peace Trust" (note the period) was the first suggested link. Clicking on this suggested link took me to the correct page. I have created a redirect from "The Graham F Smith Peace Trust" to "The Graham F Smith Peace Trust" to remove this extra step. --Khajidha (talk) 12:00, 15 September 2021 (UTC)

That's great, I think it solves the problem. Thanks for all the help.Phildoug (talk) 22:56, 15 September 2021 (UTC)

Wiki Video Training
Hello,

Do you provide some sort of wikipedia training on how to publish/correct articles? Please advise. Thank you! StottConsultancy (talk) 22:25, 15 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Perhaps WP:TWA will help. But be careful to not have a name that sounds commercial. See WP:ORGNAME. <b style="color:#7F007F">TimTempleton</b> <sup style="color:#800080">(talk) <sup style="color:#7F007F">(cont)  22:32, 15 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Adding to this, there are many resources to learn how to edit and create articles. If you are acting on a behalf of a client, you should request edits via the Talk Page of the article. If you are attempting to create an article for a client, you must disclose your conflict of interest on your user page. Next, read these COI guidelines and instructions for creating a draft that follow. Pyrrho the Skeptic (talk) 23:07, 15 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Welcome to the Teahouse! For video training, see Instructional material and https://outreach.wikimedia.org/wiki/Bookshelf#Videos - happy editing!  GoingBatty (talk) 00:40, 16 September 2021 (UTC)
 * AND... you are blocked until you change your User name. See your Talk page. David notMD (talk) 00:42, 16 September 2021 (UTC)

PROD stats
Does anyone here know if there is something like WP:AfD stats for WP:PROD nominations. It'd be interesting to see a list of which PRODs I opened, how ofteb the resulted in deletion, and how many PRODs I've removed. TipsyElephant (talk) 00:16, 16 September 2021 (UTC)


 * Hi @TipsyElephant. Yes this exists. You simply need to create a PROD log, like mine at User:Nick Moyes/PROD log. You create this by enabling WP:TWINKLE and going into your preference settings for that programme and activating a PROD log in Twinkle/Preferences. Hope this helps, Nick Moyes (talk) 01:06, 16 September 2021 (UTC)

Self Published Source
For one reason, they have removed my contributions to the Google Street View page, a user removed some sources for example they removed the Virtual Streets.org page, which is a website dedicated to monitor Google Street View updates, which is a reliable source because these people use directly the Google Maps API and create maps using different layers. The source was removed because it was "Self-Published", but in Wikipedia's policy on these sources, it says that there is a section "Self-published doesn't mean a source is automatically invalid", in this case Virtual Streets does a detailed research about new additions of places and cities, and is accurate in saying which places have been added because they directly use the Google Street View API to determine which places have been added and describe it in an update article. Can I place this source back into the Google Street View article? It is the only source that tells about Google Street View updates and is of high quality in telling what places have been added. Seb { 💬  Talk  + 📝  Edits  } 22:29, 15 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Welcome to the Teahouse! Per the BOLD, revert, discuss cycle, I suggest that you respond to the conversation on Talk:Coverage of Google Street View to explain why you think the information would be valuable for the Wikipedia article.  Hope this helps, and happy editing!  GoingBatty (talk) 00:46, 16 September 2021 (UTC)
 * I am asking if Virtual Streets meets the standards to be considered a valid source. On the Self Published Source policy page it says that certain self-published sources can be considered valid. Does this apply to the Virtual Streets website? - Seb { 💬  Talk  + 📝  Edits  } 01:44, 16 September 2021 (UTC)
 * I understand the question, and suggest that you discuss it on Talk:Coverage of Google Street View. GoingBatty (talk) 01:48, 16 September 2021 (UTC)

Writing an article from a Neutral Point of View
I created this page Draft:Jonathan Roumie and it has been marked for deletion because it is promotional. However, it wasn't intentionally written to be promotional. After the deletion tag was added, I removed couple of statements which could be perceived as promotional, even though I had included citations. I'd appreciate feedback for the article in its current form to see where I'm doing it wrong. Thanks in advance! Elenatina (talk) 05:06, 13 September 2021 (UTC)
 * The person who marked it for deletion withdrew it since you removed promotional content. Please also see Template:Infobox actor and use that instead of a wikitable for data about the subject. ~Anachronist (talk) 05:42, 13 September 2021 (UTC)
 * I see no major flaws with the article other the fact that you should use an infobox. Signed,Pichemist (Talk) 05:44, 13 September 2021 (UTC)

@Anachronist - I've added the Infobox actor template instead of the table. Thanks for your feedback! Elenatina (talk) 22:06, 13 September 2021 (UTC)


 * According to cited sources, Jonathan “does a beautiful job” of portraying a "highly relatable Jesus that moves beyond some of the holier-than-thou, untouchable, unapproachable portraits of Jesus in the past".


 * I removed the above content which I suspected to be promotional. Need feedback to understand why it is considered promotional so I do better in my next article.Elenatina (talk) 07:03, 13 September 2021 (UTC)


 * You should not write statements like "He has also worked on video games like Evolve, Mafia II & III, and The Darkness II." If he has worked on those specific games, write "He has also worked on the video games Evolve, Mafia II & III, and The Darkness II", preferably citing sources. If he hasn't worked on all of those games, don't try to give the impression that he has. Maproom (talk) 11:13, 13 September 2021 (UTC)
 * For the Television and Film tables, I recommend you remove the last column, showing network and director. All that Wikilinking adds nothing to the article. What IS needed is confirmation via referencing that he did perform in those TV series and films. If not possible, delete rows. Wikipedia does not need to be a CV of every performance. David notMD (talk) 11:21, 13 September 2021 (UTC)


 * Of greater importance, you are referencing INDb and his website for his film and TV work. Those are not considered reliable source references. Same for interviews. Also, do not place refs at section titles. David notMD (talk) 11:25, 13 September 2021 (UTC)

Thanks David notMD and Maproom. I'll make the necessary changes.

In the Chosen, Jonathan plays Jesus "projecting divine gravity accented with easygoing warmth".

Is this sentence valid or is it considered promotional based on guidelines?Elenatina (talk) 16:06, 13 September 2021 (UTC)
 * I consider it promotional, even though it is a quote from the first ref. But what the hell do I know, I'm Jewish. David notMD (talk) 17:36, 13 September 2021 (UTC)


 * It would be less promotional to state facts, such as "Chris DeVille from The Atlantic wrote that 'Roumie plays Jesus as someone you’d actually like to hang out with, projecting divine gravity accented with easygoing warmth.'" Hope this helps!  GoingBatty (talk) 18:01, 13 September 2021 (UTC)

Thanks GoingBatty


 * Hello, . No Wikipedia article should ever contain any evaluative statement (positive or negative) in Wikipedia's voice. On the other hand it may be acceptable to include an evaluative phrase from a cited reliable source that is independent of the subject, as long as it is made clear that it is a direct quotation. --ColinFine (talk) 22:19, 13 September 2021 (UTC)

How do comments on our page work? Once we fix the comment, we remove it ourselves? or does someone else remove it for us? Elenatina (talk) 05:08, 15 September 2021 (UTC)
 * If an article is accepted, the reviewer removes all the Comments. David notMD (talk) 02:29, 16 September 2021 (UTC)

BC and BCE
Hi Wikipedians,

I've noticed that some of your articles use BC/AD while others use BCE/CE. Can I please know why? And also, why articles uses different styles. Like, do Christian countries use the BC/AD systems? It&#39;sBirdy (talk) 02:30, 16 September 2021 (UTC)
 * @It'sBirdy: Welcome to the Teahouse. The manual of style has a section about this; the style is generally arbitrarily chosen and retained for future edits (unless there's a good reason to switch over). — Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 02:42, 16 September 2021 (UTC)

Text from source - problem, maybe
Just made this change to Halasartan. To start with, I thought maybe one paragraph was a possible problem, being a bit too close to the source. It was a list of resources in a patient program, so maybe hard to express differently. But I did re-write it - quite different now, I think. However, I was looking at the source again, to help me write about it on the talk page, and now I think I can see it's more than just the one paragraph. It might be more. (And it's only a very short news item!) I do not think I know how to deal with this, and I may be completely wrong, anyway. Would someone who knows what they're doing look at it, please? Thanks, and apologies if I am asking about something that's trivial. 49.177.6.159 (talk) 10:30, 13 September 2021 (UTC)


 * , can you take a look? It looks like one or more sentences have been copy-pasted from multiple sources. I am not sure if it's egregious enough to require removing, or if it would be a big violation if all the sources were put together and compared. Usedtobecool ☎️ 07:00, 14 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Since asked on WP:Discord, I took a look at Halasartan. The Wikipedia article was made in 2021, after the 2020 Jerusalem Post article linked above. Comparing the current Wikipedia revision on September 13th, there is still copyvio. This copyvio was included upon the Wikipedia article's creation in July 2021. As you've also spotted and fixed close paraphrasing from the same article, I think it would be best to compare the entire Jerusalem Post article to Wikipedia's article on Halasartan to see if there's any more close paraphrasing issues apart from the copying flagged by Earwig's bot. Thank you for asking and helping fix this issue! :) --MrLinkinPark333 (talk) 02:59, 16 September 2021 (UTC)

Need Support, Help, suggestions, recommendations.
Hello Everyone at Teahouse. Am, Totally new here but I've been creating and editing articles in many other websites and also now want to be part of Wikipedia Family. Actually I'm here with the purpose of making an article on a very famous Indian Film Song "Desh Mere" this song is the part of a very famous Indian Movie- Bhuj: The Pride of India you can also check it out on Google. In the writing of the article I may need your help as I am completely week in finding out that which website is significant or independent. Also I must be needing your help in framing the sentences for articles so I will be creating the article as a Draft at first so will you all help me in this whenever I would ask you ? please....... BeingAlwaysHappy (talk) 07:44, 14 September 2021 (UTC)


 * , I'm fascinated. Why would you be here with the purpose of making an article on a single song? -- Hoary (talk) 09:18, 14 September 2021 (UTC)

Hoary Not only a single song I would be making more articles as I want to make Wikipedia's Treasure more big. — Preceding unsigned comment added by BeingAlwaysHappy (talk • contribs)
 * Teahouse hosts are here to provide advice, but not as co-authors. Advice given to all new editors is to gain experience editing existing articles before trying to create an article. Your 'ask' here is your very first edit. David notMD (talk) 10:24, 14 September 2021 (UTC)
 * The song Desh Mere is from the song track of the movie that was released last month (to mostly mediocre reviews). A quick search did not yield any website content that I consider independent and meaningful. Not famous song in not famous movie. David notMD (talk) 10:33, 14 September 2021 (UTC)

David notMD thank you for your most valuable response can you please take out a short while for me? can you please check the song "Is Qadar" and check does this song has been mentioned any independent or significant website Which can be used as reference in article. I am requesting you to do this because I've completely no idea about how to check that is the website independent or something else so please?


 * , please read Reliable sources to get an idea of which sources are reliable. Supplement this by looking up various sources that you know well within Reliable sources/Perennial sources. (Yes, it's a strange title. It means something like "Sources that may or may not be reliable and about whose reliability many people ask questions".) And then make cautious, minor, referenced edits to articles that already exist. If your edits seem to be welcomed, proceed to cautious, major, referenced edits to articles that already exist. If these edits seem to be welcomed, consider creating drafts for articles that don't yet exist. -- Hoary (talk) 23:07, 14 September 2021 (UTC)
 * I have no knowledge whatsoever about what might make a song notable in the Wikipedia sense of the word. David notMD (talk) 02:26, 16 September 2021 (UTC)
 * See WP:NSONG. GoingBatty (talk) 03:34, 16 September 2021 (UTC)

About Publishing first article
Hello, Recently I have made a page of a Television personality on Wikipedia. There are a few question which I would like to have the answer of- 1. How long does it take to publish the page? 2. How can I add images from Instagram on Wikipedia of a celebrity? 3. How do I make an internal link to jump from one part of the page to another section?

Thank you! Kuhu12 (talk) 03:45, 16 September 2021 (UTC)


 * Hello and welcome to the teahouse.
 * 1. If you have made a draft, it depends on the current backlog. You should receive a response within the month. If you are talking about the WP:NPP process, it also depends on the backlog but the page should be published immediatley.
 * 2. You can't. WP:Copyright
 * 3. I believe (I'm not sure) that you would need to, if for example linking to this section, use:  which then becomes: Teahouse Signed,Pichemist (Talk) 05:33, 16 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Hello, . I assume that you are taking about User:Kuhu12/sandbox. You have not submitted it for review. Please read Articles for Creation for your next steps. Before you do so, I suggest that you convert your references from bare URLs to a proper format showing bibliographic details. Read Referencing for beginners. <b style="color:#070">Cullen</b><sup style="color:#707">328  Let's discuss it  06:06, 16 September 2021 (UTC)

Dark Mode When?
Every other blazing-white site and app seems to be getting one, Google Search recently rolled one out. How feasible would it be to implement one on Wikipedia? Americanfreedom (talk) 01:54, 16 September 2021 (UTC)
 * There already is! Just go to Special:Preferences, select Gadgets, and scroll down. It's the last item on the list.  dud  hhr  Contribs 02:05, 16 September 2021 (UTC)
 * There it is! Thank you! Americanfreedom (talk) 06:26, 16 September 2021 (UTC)

Request To Check if the Source is reliable for using it as Reference.
Hello Team, I have a question can someone please tell me that is this article good for giving reference for a article the coverage is from IndiaTV here's the link https://www.indiatvnews.com/entertainment/music/is-qadar-song-out-tulsi-kumar-darshan-raval-endearing-chemistry-wins-hearts-in-new-song-watch-696349 please do let me know if this link can be used as a perfect reference for wikipedia.

Regards BeingAlwaysHappy (talk) 06:38, 16 September 2021 (UTC)


 * "Music sensations" at the start means "musicians". "The song is already winning hearts on the internet": If this means numbers of views, I wonder how many; if it doesn't, I suspect that it means nothing. Then there's a short summary of the words. It ends: "[T]he song will leave you reminiscing about the feeling of madly falling in love. Tulsi Kumar and Darshan Raval's endearing chemistry will surely melt your heart." Oh dear. "A perfect reference"? I'd call it mere drivel. But exactly what would you want it to reference? (I'd take it as evidence that such a song exists and was heavily promoted, but that's about all.) -- Hoary (talk) 07:10, 16 September 2021 (UTC)

How to add archived link beside an expired url


Hello! As far as I have found, there are three types of references:

1. Only direct links [56]

2. Links with archived links, in case they expire [55]

3. Only archived links (possibly their direct links have already expired) [57]

Now suppose, link in 56 expires, and there exists archived version of it in web.archive.org. How can I edit to change the link in $$56^{th}$$ so that it looks like 57? Will I have to do the whole editing manually? Dates and all? Or does there exist some kind of trick or template, whatever?

I am a noob about templates :-)

Please help ^.^

Thanks in Advance :D Seeker220 (talk) 07:43, 16 September 2021 (UTC)
 * You are presumably referring to the article All India Institute of Medical Sciences, New Delhi? Ref 56 is in fact an archive link, as you'll see if you follow the link. If a template such as cite web is used, the parameters for archive url and archive date are available, and that is usually the cleanest method of presenting the data. In some cases editors have not used such a template, and they haven't always made it clear whether the link is an archive one, but you could, if you wish, expand the information provided. Ref 57 is not an archive link, but you could include an archive url if you wish to do so. --David Biddulph (talk) 07:58, 16 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Okay so, is the thingy Thanks :) Seeker220 (talk) 08:43, 16 September 2021 (UTC)

need to move from sandbox to public domain
I am unable to locate the 'move' button to move the article from my sandbox to wikipedia Rsbage (talk) 02:59, 16 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Rsbage, You can use Article wizard to publish your articles. Mattplaysthedrums (talk) 03:23, 16 September 2021 (UTC)
 * There's lots more helpful information at Help:Your first article. GoingBatty (talk) 03:40, 16 September 2021 (UTC)
 * If you are referring to User:Rsbage/sandbox, yo uhave created an infobox, but have not yet begun to create the article. Model after other biographies. David notMD (talk) 09:02, 16 September 2021 (UTC)

my page
yes hello you sended me a message long ago about the Sd.Kfz. 251 "Calliope" and i lost my page, where can i find it ? Quinten FURY (talk) 09:03, 16 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Per your Talk oage, the draft was deleted because you stopped working on it. There is a link to an undeletion process. David notMD (talk) 09:14, 16 September 2021 (UTC)


 * I've undeleted Draft:Sd.Kfz. 251 "Calliope". (You'll have to do a lot of work on this before anyone is likely to approve its transformation into an article.) -- Hoary (talk) 09:19, 16 September 2021 (UTC)

how to remove from more cateogries category.
Hello, I found a page (Howard_Lipshitz)in the "not enough categories" section of the wikipedia task center, and I was wondering A: if this is enough categories and B: how to remove it from this section so it is no longer listed as not having enough categories. Many Thanks! DirkJandeGeer (talk) 09:41, 16 September 2021 (UTC)


 * @DirkJandeGeer Now yes :) and without knowing exactly what you're referring to, it likely will be removed automatically, because the article itself does not have a tag anymore indicating that it needs more categories. ~ 🦝 Shushugah (he/him • talk) 10:52, 16 September 2021 (UTC)

how to remove from more cateogries category.
Hello, I found Howard_Lipshitz categoriesed as a page which needed more categories. I have added as many categories as I could, and I was wondering A: is this enough categories, and B: how do I remove it from the "not enough categories" category. Many Thanks! DirkJandeGeer (talk) 09:39, 16 September 2021 (UTC)


 * @DirkJandeGeer Welcome to Tea House! You asked this question two minutes later below. Please only ask questions once and in one place, to minimize duplication ~ 🦝 Shushugah (he/him • talk) 10:53, 16 September 2021 (UTC)

appologies, it gave me a message saying there was a server issue and that my question could not be posted so I tried again, but I realised it did in fact post my first question. DirkJandeGeer (talk) 12:13, 16 September 2021 (UTC)

Is original art allowed?
Came across two recent instances at which an editor added their own art to an article (a painted portrait, an ink sketch). Neither article was autobiographical. Both currently reverted. Original photographs are obviously allowed at Commons. Is there a guideline on art? David notMD (talk) 19:31, 15 September 2021 (UTC)
 * It probably depends on the purpose that art works serve in an article. Ruslik_ Zero 19:41, 15 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Hello, . I am not aware of any specific policy or guideline and think that it would depend on the context and specific circumstances. I am aware of the example of Kim Jong-un where there was a computer generated portrait image for several years because no freely licensed photos were available. That ended when he met with Donald Trump and U.S. government photographers took public domain photos of him. Also relevant is whether the artist is genuinely trying to illustrate an article that is better with it, or is motivated by self promotion. <b style="color:#070">Cullen</b><sup style="color:#707">328  Let's discuss it  19:43, 15 September 2021 (UTC)
 * I guess we could just ask... ;-) Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 19:54, 15 September 2021 (UTC)
 * I'm guessing you saw Teahouse/Questions/Archive_1121. Stuff like WP:SPS and WP:LEADIMAGE doesn't mention it directly, but I'd say it's implied. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 19:47, 15 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Adding your own art is definitely encouraged if it is a genuine improvement, but it's probably better for others to discuss whether it is or not, and for artists to ask WikiProjects where help is needed most (or search image requested kinds of things) if they want to make things for Commons/WP. Seedfeeder is one notable (in both senses of the word) case of an artist adding (pornographic) images to WP that are useful. — Bilorv ( talk ) 21:16, 15 September 2021 (UTC)
 * An artist added their own art as an example of a type of art. There is no article about the artist, and there were already sufficient example images in the article. On User page, the editor expressed interest/intent in adding own art to other articles. I reverted the first because if felt promotional, and cautioned against such future contributions. David notMD (talk) 22:35, 15 September 2021 (UTC)
 * I saw this while trying to find another question I asked here. I forgot to put in my userpage that I would add art if I thought it needed more examples for more understanding, like I did to the article you suggested. The intention was not to be promotional.
 * Still, if it's not needed that's completely fine by me! WashyLieshy (talk) 12:29, 16 September 2021 (UTC)

Saving Articles?
Is there a way to save articles without publishing them? <span style="color: purple; text-decoration: inherit; -moz-text-decoration-color: purple; text-decoration-color: purple;">Minkai (talk to me) 13:23, 16 September 2021 (UTC)


 * Actually, the publish button is the save button. If you're in a draft the article won't go into the mainspace until you put it in for review and it gets accepted. Blaze The Wolf &#124; Proud Furry &#124; Discord: Blaze Wolf#0001 (talk) 13:24, 16 September 2021 (UTC)

@Fashion Photography From A.Rrajani.

Please can you explain the word risky behavior
Supreme baby (talk) 11:19, 16 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. Do you have a question about using or editing Wikipedia? If you need a word definition, you may use your preferred search engine, such as Google. 331dot (talk) 11:21, 16 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Teahouse is the place to ask questions about how to edit at Wikipedia. Wikipedia is not chat, or a forum. David notMD (talk) 11:51, 16 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Or, if the word is there, you could also use Wiktionary, which is another project of the Wikimedia Foundation. I attempted to link to Wiktionary's main page but it didn't appear to work. Blaze The Wolf &#124; Proud Furry &#124; Discord: Blaze Wolf#0001 (talk) 13:27, 16 September 2021 (UTC) Blaze The Wolf &#124; Proud Furry &#124; Discord: Blaze Wolf#0001 (talk) 13:27, 16 September 2021 (UTC)

sir don`t delete my hardworks
Pakistani cinema films (talk) 09:13, 16 September 2021 (UTC)


 * Hello and welcome to the teahouse. Your edits have been reverted since you have attempted to evade a block. Investigation here and explanation here. Signed,Pichemist (Talk) 09:23, 16 September 2021 (UTC)
 * are you sure about the block? I did not see User:Pakistani cinema films among the long list of sockpuppet accounts at that link, nor a mention on the editor's User or Talk pages. David notMD (talk) 11:45, 16 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Well, I'm fairly certain that at least one of his edits got reverted for the reason of block evasion. Signed,Pichemist (Talk) 13:30, 16 September 2021 (UTC)

more than 1 hatnote is allowed? ex. Kyung Wha Chung
Kyung Wha Chung contains two types of Hatnotes: Template:Other uses and Template:Family name hatnote. so can we use more than 1 type of hatnotes? Brāhmī • tagboard   • (always start discussion using  ) 13:21, 16 September 2021 (UTC)
 * provided they're both relevant, yes. Many biographical articles have both a family name template and a disambiguation template such as the one in the article about Chung. Neiltonks (talk) 13:32, 16 September 2021 (UTC)

Redirecting
I was deleting a redirect from the page Rajasthani Language but it deleted the all content of it please help me to bring that back.Languages Bharat0078 (talk) 13:35, 16 September 2021 (UTC)
 * you've been moving the article around. The content currently exists at Rajasthani Languages (with an upper-case 'L'). Neiltonks (talk) 13:53, 16 September 2021 (UTC)

How should we cite books with cites in them
This is just a question for the future if I do have a book like that one. Should we cite the book itself or read the sources in the passage, check if it's reliable, and cite that? WashyLieshy (talk) 15:16, 15 September 2021 (UTC)
 * I'd say that depends on a lot of factors. The reliability/author/purpose/publisher of the book matters when referencing a passage, as well as the content you're trying to reference. If the book passage is referencing a primary source, say, a historical document, and the author is, say, an academic, and she's using a historical document to make a point about Renaissance culture, you should cite the book, not access the original historical document yourself to make that same point. Pyrrho the Skeptic (talk) 15:43, 15 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Pyrrho is right. In that case, the important thing is whose opinion you are giving - the author of the book itself, based on their synthesis and research - or the author of the primary source, who is merely being quoted by the book's author in a factual way. Additionally, if a book is readily available, but it's quoting another, earlier book that is very hard to get (and therefore you do not have), then I think it's reasonable to cite the book you have. In this case, you should try to find some way to make it clear you are citing a second-hand source. You can do this either in the reference ("In his book A, Smith says X" and in ref "quoted in Jones, book B") or in the text ("Jones reports that Smith said X" (ref: book B)). What you should try to avoid is saying "Smith says X (ref book B)" because this potentially starts a long trail of references where the reader is sent from book to book, in hopes that eventually they will find Smith. It also hides the situation that you're reporting something you haven't actually seen for yourself (not necessarily disastrous, but the longer the chain of authors/editors, the more risk that someone has misquoted or made a mistake). Elemimele (talk) 16:53, 15 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Regarding Elemimele's points, see the guideline WP:SAYWHEREYOUREADIT. Deor (talk) 17:15, 15 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Thanks! I just thought about if this situation could happen in the future, so it's not necessarily important for me at the moment.  WashyLieshy (talk) 13:57, 16 September 2021 (UTC)

Micronoma, Inc. page rejected
Hello,

Our article was deleted and I am hoping to get concise guidance on how to amend the issues for a successful publication. Thank you. CommsQueen (talk) 19:05, 14 September 2021 (UTC)
 * . Deleted on the 10th under WP:G11. Victor Schmidt (talk) 19:14, 14 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Your phrasing in saying, "Our article" implies that this is a shared account, which is not allowed per the rules of WIkipedia. Also, since you disclosed that you are being paid by the subject of the article you're making, please see WP:RA and make sure you have read and understood WP:PAID. Blaze The Wolf &#124; Proud Furry &#124; Discord: Blaze Wolf#0001 (talk) 19:15, 14 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Hello, and welcome to the Teahouse. The article draft was deleted for "unambiguous promotion", meaning that it was written like an advertisement. Articles MUST be written in a neutral tone, as if the writer has never heard of the topic, and is writing only what can be found in reliable, independent sources. This means not from the company's own website, or other marketing material. Please read good articles of other companies to get a sense of the required tone and style. Finally, the article should generally not be written by an editor with conflict of interest. Articles can be requested to be created by other editors here. [ Pyrrho the Skeptic (talk) 19:26, 14 September 2021 (UTC)


 * it didn't appear to be written in a promotional tone. I can see the deleted version. Although it was written for publicity purposes, it looked salvageable.
 * In any case, it would be best to ask the deleting administrator. I noticed you declined a speedy deletion nomination of Draft:Micronoma, Inc. and then deleted the draft anyway a short time later. Do you have objection to restoring it? ~Anachronist (talk) 19:17, 14 September 2021 (UTC)
 * I have struck the comment, thanks for the AGF reminder, Anachronist. I will also be happy to assist in working on this draft, if needed. Pyrrho the Skeptic (talk) 19:21, 14 September 2021 (UTC)
 * As a general hint, I am going to link to Manual of Style/Words to watch so CommsQueen knows what they might need to look out for. Victor Schmidt (talk) 19:27, 14 September 2021 (UTC)

CommsQueen (talk) 20:59, 14 September 2021 (UTC)I understand the confusion of my use of "our". That phrasing is in relationship to my affiliation with my client, Micronoma, whom the article is about. To confirm, this article was posted by me alone and this account belongs to me. Is the next best course of action for me to edit the phrasing to be more ambiguous and submit again? This is my first Wikipedia article. Any help is certainly appreciated. Thank you.CommsQueen (talk) 20:59, 14 September 2021 (UTC)


 * Your next best course of action would be to go to WP:RA (not WP:RFA like I mistakenly linked to earlier) and request someone else make the article and also please make sure you understand WP:PAID, you're a step above some other paid editors I've seen who don't disclose that they've been paid. Blaze The Wolf &#124; Proud Furry &#124; Discord: Blaze Wolf#0001 (talk) 21:06, 14 September 2021 (UTC)
 * The only problem with WP:RA is that it might take for ever and a day before anyone actually makes the article. It's really hard to write an article where you have a conflict of interest, but if you feel you need to proceed, then I'd read the struck text from Pyrrho the Skeptic above, because although it's struck, it goes to the heart of the matter. Everything you write will have to be supported by reliable independent references. Articles about businesses often suffer because the so-called independent references are actually publications that specialise in picking up press-releases, so basically they contain nearly-unvetted information from the company itself. What article reviewers will want to see are references where some journalist decided to find out about the company, not references where the company decided to tell some journalist about itself. Unfortunately such sources can be hard to find. Even quite big companies, doing their routine business, aren't terribly exciting to the press or public, unless they have a horrendous scandal, go broke, get prosecuted for having illegal workers, or whatever. It's very hard not to write in a promotional tone. How can "The company grew from assets of $2 in 1991 to $15Billion in 1992" sound anything but positive? And because you've (very properly, which is appreciated) declared your CoI, everyone's going to be scrutinising every word for positiveness! So I'd recommend keeping the article very short in the first instance. If you can't find several independent sources, it's doomed anyway. If you can find a couple of good sources summarising the basics of the company (what it does, how it came to be, why anyone cares), just say the basics that those references say. Three good references on their own are better than 3 good references hiding amongst 17 press-releases and interviews with the CEO. If you keep it simple and plain, then the article stands more chance of being accepted. Unfortunately, once it's accepted, you can't edit it; you have to make edit requests on its talk-page. But these tend to get handled much more quickly than requests for complete articles, if you make them in a very clear and explicit manner. Good luck! Elemimele (talk) 21:21, 14 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Thanks for contacting me – I originally declined the speedy deletion because an editor was looking to revise the article to become encyclopedic, and wished to hold off per WP:ATD, but the editor advised me they were no longer in a position to do so.
 * Please understand that Wikipedia is not a place to advertise or write about your business. You would do this on your own website. Stifle (talk) 08:42, 15 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Thanks. I still want to know if you object to restoring the draft so that it can be improved. It does need a lot of work, but it looks salvageable. ~Anachronist (talk) 16:33, 15 September 2021 (UTC)
 * I do not :) Stifle (talk) 14:18, 16 September 2021 (UTC)

Help on finding a specific essay/policy
Hello! I'm attempting to find an essay/policy that says not everything in an article has to have a source and it includes a diff of the article Hand where someone added to a statement saying there were five fingers on one hand. Anyone know what that is? Blaze The Wolf &#124; Proud Furry &#124; Discord: Blaze Wolf#0001 (talk) 14:22, 16 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Do you mean You don't need to cite that the sky is blue.--Shantavira|feed me 14:58, 16 September 2021 (UTC)
 * That's it! Thank you! Blaze The Wolf &#124; Proud Furry &#124; Discord: Blaze Wolf#0001 (talk) 15:07, 16 September 2021 (UTC)

Your thoughts on this edit
Is this edit (by a new user) constructive/ok in general? Speedcuber1 (talk) 15:46, 16 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Welcome to the Teahouse. Seems like a good-faith edit, however I would avoid the colloquial "24/7" in favor for some of the alternatives that were introduced in later edits to that paragraph. If the issue is whether or not that fact should be included at all, then that might be trickier. Pyrrho the Skeptic (talk) 16:01, 16 September 2021 (UTC)

Why did my wikipedia page disappear?
Just wondered why may wiki page (which has been around for about 10 years) was suddenly deleted. I am currently trying to put a new one up. If it's not allowed that is fine, but wondered why it suddenly disappeared? My page was "Tim Hamilton (the ILLUSTRATOR). NOT the designer, the equestrian or the movie director. Thanks for any information.

Tim Hamilton My website:  https://hamilton-tim.pairsite.com/CUTBLEED/ Bobanderni (talk) 15:14, 16 September 2021 (UTC)
 * , deleted in July after a WP:PROD for not demonstrating notability of the subject and being undersourced. See Why was the page I created deleted? and in particular § Proposed deletions. Please be aware that autobiographys are strongely discouraged, that nobody owns an article here and that a Wikipedia article might not nessesarely be desireable. Victor Schmidt (talk) 16:08, 16 September 2021 (UTC)

I can not create drafts. It says my IP range is blocked.
Hello, I am new to Wikipedia. I was trying to create a new draft through https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Article_wizard/version1/Ready_for_submission but it says my IP is blocked because someone abused something. I have never used Wikipedia in past so how it can happen? Please help. Stephoishere (talk) 15:29, 16 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. If you could edit this page, your IP is not blocked(at the moment at least). If this happens again, please tell the exact message that appears. 331dot (talk) 15:32, 16 September 2021 (UTC)
 * I thought IP blocks didn't apply to registered accounts. Blaze The Wolf &#124; Proud Furry &#124; Discord: Blaze Wolf#0001 (talk) 15:42, 16 September 2021 (UTC)
 * @Stephoishere: Welcome to the Teahouse. IPs aren't bound to one person, and there's a very high chance that when IPs changed, you received one that someone used to be disruptive. You're still seeing this even when registered? — Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 15:49, 16 September 2021 (UTC)

This is the message I see. Your username or IP address is blocked from doing this. You may still be able to do other things on this site, such as editing certain pages. You can view the full block details at account contributions.

The block was made by ‪DrKay‬.

The reason given is:

Editing from this range has been disabled (blocked) by an administrator in response to abuse. Editing by unregistered users from this IP address range has been blocked. In rare cases, usually in response to serious abuse, logged-in editing may also be blocked. An IP address range may in some cases be used by many people; if you believe that you are not the person this block is intended for, please follow the instructions below:

If you have an account: Please log in to edit. If you still cannot edit, place on your talk page and make reference to this message. You may wish to ping the blocking administrator or email them via the "email this user" function.

If you do not have an account: Registered users are still able to edit. If you cannot create an account from this or another network, you may request that volunteers create your username for you. Please follow the instructions at Wikipedia:Request an account to request an account under your preferred username. It may take some time to process your request.


 * self-promoting sock puppet

Start of block: 14:36, 15 February 2021 Expiration of block: 14:36, 15 February 2022 Intended blockee: 2409:4043:0:0:0:0:0:0/32 Block ID #10383967 If you believe you are seeing this message in error, you may submit an appeal on the administrators' noticeboard, on your talk page, or by UTRS. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Stephoishere (talk • contribs)
 * Courtesy ping . Blocked IP range is 2409:4043:0:0:0:0:0:0/32 (296 individual IPv6 adresses). when blocking an IP adress, administrators can configure the block to also affect logged-in-users (except those with the IP-Block excemption user right). See WP:HARDBLOCK for more info. Victor Schmidt (talk) 16:02, 16 September 2021 (UTC)


 * Oh ok. Good to know. Blaze The Wolf &#124; Proud Furry &#124; Discord: Blaze Wolf#0001 (talk) 16:04, 16 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Hello, . Please read IP block exemption for the details and how you may be able to get around it. <b style="color:#070">Cullen</b><sup style="color:#707">328  Let's discuss it  16:15, 16 September 2021 (UTC)

Need help to write a biography
I am looking for assistance to write a biography of a living religious personality, he is one of 500 influential Muslims however there is no information about him on Wikipedia. He is very different from mainstream religious concepts and has significant opposition due to him challenging the normal religious concepts.

So looking for help.

This is his website Www.MuhammadShaikh.com 68.133.24.96 (talk) 13:50, 16 September 2021 (UTC)
 * In order to write a biography of a living person you need several sources not connected to him that show he is notable by Wikipedia's standards. His name is common, I think, so you'll have to find them yourself. If you source three or so that you think show him to be worthy of an article, you can start using the WP:AfC process. Please also read H:YFA. Mike Turnbull (talk) 13:59, 16 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Teahouse hosts advise, but are not here to be authors or co-authors. David notMD (talk) 15:15, 16 September 2021 (UTC)


 * WT:ISLAM may be a better place to ask for a collaborator. But in any case, if you want to enrol somebody into working with you on this, a very good way to start would be for you do to the groundwork, and find the independent reliable sources required to establish that Shaikh meets Wikipedia's criteria for notability. If he does, and you present those sources, it may make collaborators more willing to work on it; if you can't find the sources, then you will know that there is no point in you or anybody else spending any more time on it. Remember that Wikipedia is not interested in what the subject of an article says or wants to say about themselves, or what their associates say about them. Wikipedia is only interested in what people who have no connection with the subject, and who have not been prompted or fed information on behalf of the subject, have chosen to publish about the subject in reliable sources. --ColinFine (talk) 16:20, 16 September 2021 (UTC)

adding new references
just using my parents' entries for example, want a general background on footnotes/citations.I haven't done the editing yet, just want some clarifications. I have several questions- I think I should ask each separately...

I wish to add several other citations to the citations now showing 6, 7 ,8 [in particular, a book reference] I have never done that. So it seems that I would just add, and the software creates the numbering, is that is?

in one case I want to add a reference to a book in hardcopy - should I try to find it google books as well? [ as done in citation 8]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hilbert_Philip_Zarky

well, I'll ask another related to references in this entry

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Norma_Zarky

the first citation - neither link works now. Instead there is a link to a pdf of the original website. https://www.wisbar.org/aboutus/legalhistory/Documents/Pioneers-in-the-Law-The-First-150-Women.pdf which I will use to replace what is there. Or, should I leave some of that info around?

but, in general, links seem to come and go. [thanks to the wikipedians who, on their own, found references to my father's early life in Wisconsin newspaper clippings (that were probably not there when the site was first created). But these references could disappear too. Would it make sense to put copies of these pages up on my own website, to serve as a backup in future years (well, until I die, I guess...)? and somehow work that link into the entry?

Many thanks, Michael Tuningmeister (talk) 14:24, 16 September 2021 (UTC)


 * Hello,, and welcome to the Teahouse. That's right: if you put the content of the reference at the place in the text where the citation should appear, between , then the software will handle all that. The purpose of a reference is mostly to allow a reader anywhere to get hold of the source and check it (it doesn't necessarily have to be either easy, or free of charge, for them to do so, but they must be able to in principle) and also to allow a reader or a reviewer to judge how reliable the source is likely to be; for this reason, a citation should contain standard bibliographic information like title, author, publisher, date. If the source happens to be available on line, it is helpful to provide a link (including a link to google books, if the actual text cited is available - no point if it is only to the entry for the book) - but in most cases that is a convenience, not a fundamental part of the citation. All this is summarised in WP:REFB. For dead links, see WP:LINKROT. (I have added code to your question so that the pair wouldn't be taken as a reference.) --ColinFine (talk) 16:29, 16 September 2021 (UTC)

Conflict of Interest
Hi,I have a conflict of interest with Peter D. Welch page. Peter D. Welch is my father. He is 93 years old and in declining health as he ages so I thought that generating a page for him would not only give him joy, but add to the historical record.

I have a Ph.D. (not in his area of expertise) but enough knowledge to research and support what I have written here in this entry. None of what is here is my opinion; all is based on citations. And, in fact, a lot of it was new to me.

Anyhow. I am new to Wikipedia did not know about its COI policy, but it makes a great deal of sense. I would love for someone else -- or a number of people to write this entry -- but not sure how to help make that happen. Any advice welcome. His Welch Method continues to have relevance in the field and I believe, since the Welch Method is named after him, a short entry on the man is warranted.

Thank you in advance.

- Rebeccah Welch RebeccahWelch (talk) 20:02, 15 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Hi Reeccah and welcome to The Teahouse. The online mentions I could find, plus Welch's Method makes me think he's notable enough in the field for an article. I'd be happy to start one. If you have news mentions you can provide, it would be helpful. Pyrrho the Skeptic (talk) 20:11, 15 September 2021 (UTC)
 * This seems to be about Draft:Peter D. Welch. Pinging @Drmies, if you feel like having an opinion. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 20:16, 15 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Hello Rebeccah! Thank you for following Wikipedia's COI policy after discovering it. As Pyrrho said, they've found enough sources to make in notable in his field, but they would like you to provide news mentions if you can. Hope your father enjoys the remainder of his life, despite his declining health. Blaze The Wolf &#124; Proud Furry &#124; Discord: Blaze Wolf#0001 (talk) 21:36, 15 September 2021 (UTC)
 * You have declard your connection here, but the right place for the information is on your User page. David notMD (talk) 22:29, 15 September 2021 (UTC)

Thanks for all of the help and advice. I have declared my conflict of interest on my User page. Not sure the language that is needed for that, but did my best. Yes, I have started a draft and the help/advice I am seeking is regarding that draft Draft:Peter D. Welch. The feedback says that they are looking for news citations. I believe I provided those and cited them-- though there might be additional material. Not sure my next steps in general.

This is an oral history of my father that is a great news source. This in reference to earlier requests for news mentions: https://d.lib.ncsu.edu/computer-simulation/videos/peter-d-welch-interviewed-by-james-r-wilson-welch/.
 * Thanks for providing that. I left a message on you Talk Page following up on this conversation. Pyrrho the Skeptic (talk) 01:31, 16 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Gråbergs Gråa Sång, I have an opinion, of course, though I don't know why you pinged me: we should clean this up a bit, especially the citations, see what else we can find, and get this on the front page in the Did You Know section. RebeccahWelch, your dad might get a kick out of it. Drmies (talk) 14:26, 16 September 2021 (UTC)
 * You told me once that "I've written dozens and dozens of biographies of academics", so it couldn't hurt. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 16:42, 16 September 2021 (UTC)
 * I actually have a friend who's a mathematician, I know it's crazy, and asked him for some help. User:David Eppstein, can you help us out also? Thanks! Drmies (talk) 14:30, 16 September 2021 (UTC)

Application error
I get an error when trying to use this tool, when I go to the website, it says application error. Speedcuber1 (talk) 16:05, 16 September 2021
 * hello if possible, please post your question at WikiLoop DoubleCheck talk page. concerned devs will look into your issue and resolve. i am also receiving same "application error". Brāhmī •  tagboard   • (always start discussion using  ) 17:09, 16 September 2021 (UTC)

nicktoons never dies?
i'm very sure 20th century studios is real. tell my why nicktoons still exists 5944alsas (talk) 15:59, 16 September 2021 (UTC)


 * Hello and welcome to the Teahouse! Did you have a question about actually editing Wikipedia? Also, from my knowledge, 20th Century Studios and Nicktoons are completely independent from each other. Blaze The Wolf &#124; Proud Furry &#124; Discord: Blaze Wolf#0001 (talk) 16:17, 16 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Companies may die, but articles about them persist (same for people). David notMD (talk) 17:12, 16 September 2021 (UTC)

How do I find Talk page archives?
Pretty basic question. I'm having trouble finding instructions about how to view archived Talk pages for a given article. I'd like to be able to view the entire editor discourse around an article (or at least the portion of it that exists on the Talk page) and I can't figure out how to do that. Thanks in advance. 98.15.134.221 (talk) 15:30, 16 September 2021 (UTC)


 * Hello IP! Could you tell us what talk page you're wanting to view the archives for? Blaze The Wolf &#124; Proud Furry &#124; Discord: Blaze Wolf#0001 (talk) 15:50, 16 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Assuming there are talkpage archives, you'll generally find them linked near the top at the article, see Talk:Cheese for example: "Archives: 1, 2, 3". Each number is a link to an archived page. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 17:29, 16 September 2021 (UTC)

What is "clear Code"
What is the meaning of "clear code" in double brackets  when added to an article? (as in Shakespeare's handwriting ? ) Åüñîçńøł (talk) 03:14, 16 September 2021 (UTC) Åüñîçńøł (talk) 03:14, 16 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Hi Åüñîçńøł. Anything in double brackets is called a template. This is a piece of code that is used in different articles. You can see what Template:Clear does on the template page. Mattplaysthedrums (talk) 03:21, 16 September 2021 (UTC)

Thank you.Åüñîçńøł (talk) 17:57, 16 September 2021 (UTC)


 * Basically all it does is it is used with other templates to make sure they don't interrupt with each other (Not actually sure how to describe it's function, I guess it's similar to break tags?) Blaze The Wolf &#124; Proud Furry &#124; Discord: Blaze Wolf#0001 (talk) 17:59, 16 September 2021 (UTC)

Deleting uncited claims
How many sources that could verify a particular claim but don't are needed to be able to delete an uncited claim? Should I mention the results of library and web search engines if I want to do this? Do I have to find a statement from a source that explicitly contradicts an uncited claim? Alshfik (talk) 17:30, 16 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Hello, . If you have made a good faith effort to find sources to verify the uncited claim without success, then go ahead and remove it with a brief comment about your search in the edit summary. No, you do not have to find a reliable source that contradicts it. Thst would be an unreasonably difficult standard. <b style="color:#070">Cullen</b><sup style="color:#707">328  Let's discuss it  18:01, 16 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Context matters, can you give a specific example? Search engine results can not be used as citations, it's up to you to find/use the WP:RS (if any) in the search engine result. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 18:02, 16 September 2021 (UTC)

Added bold, italics, and wikilinks
Ellikeefer25 (talk) 18:14, 16 September 2021 (UTC)


 * Did you mean to put this in an edit summary on a page or were you meaning to ask a question about how to do these things? Blaze The Wolf &#124; Proud Furry &#124; Discord: Blaze Wolf#0001 (talk) 18:20, 16 September 2021 (UTC)

All edits are missing
Hello! I'm sorry if this seems trivial. I have frequently been using the feature where I can go to my preferences, see how many edits I have made, and then click the number and see all of my edits. Just to get back to someone's talk page, see if my edits are current, etc. However, just in the last hour or so all of my edits are gone. The number is still there but the edits themselves are missing. Is this normal? Does it clear itself sometimes? Is there anyway to have them back? Thanks in advance for any clarity. <3 Plutobutbigger :-) 19:48, 16 September 2021 (UTC)
 * I'm afraid I don't fully understand the situation, but you can see all of your past edits at Special:Contributions/Plutobutbigger. Whether the layout of whatever device/browser/style you are using to view Wikipedia has changed and removed the route that you might normally take to reach that page, I don't know. On an old desktop view, there's usually a "Contributions" button in the top right hand navigation bar, and on a more recent beta version the same place hosts a profile icon that brings up a dropdown menu with the same link label. Give as much information as you can if this doesn't answer your question. — Bilorv ( talk ) 20:10, 16 September 2021 (UTC)
 * So sorry I was not thorough enough in my question. I can still access Special:Contributions/Plutobutbigger the same way I used to. However, instead of showing my edits it just says "No changes were found matching these criteria." as though I have never made an edit. Plutobutbigger :-) 20:42, 16 September 2021 (UTC)
 * I'm so sorry, I believe it was just glitched, as they are showing again now. I'm so sorry to have clogged this page. Plutobutbigger :-) 20:55, 16 September 2021 (UTC)
 * no need to apologise! If it was a glitch then that's not your fault at all, and questions are always welcome here. — Bilorv ( talk ) 23:10, 16 September 2021 (UTC)

How do I create a disambiguation page?
I made an article for musician Gabriel Marin and want to make a disambiguation page for him and the rower with the same name. I can see the disambiguation guidelines and what to do with the page once it exists, but I'm not seeing how to *create* such a page in the first place, since it's not an article. Rinotodsop (talk) 23:01, 16 September 2021 (UTC)


 * As there are only two Gabriel Marins who have articles, you don't need a disambiguation page. Instead, have Template:About atop Gabriel Marin, pointing to Gabriel Marin (musician). (Incidentally, the referencing for the new article needs a lot of work. Example: "consider the source band bio". Please see Citing sources.) -- Hoary (talk) 23:28, 16 September 2021 (UTC)

What are these?
What are discretionary sanctions? I have looked at the relevant article and even from that, for example in the 'in a nutshell box' it talks about them, but it doesn't say what they actually are. Speedcuber1 talk 01:07, 17 September 2021
 * It means that an administrator may enforce more restrictive rules on an article (like WP:1RR instead of WP:3RR, or impose blocks or bans) at the administrator's discretion to preserve article stability, after the Arbitration Committee has approved that an article can have discretionary sanctions. ~Anachronist (talk) 01:15, 17 September 2021 (UTC)

Help with RfC
Hello, I have an RfC happening at Cardi B and I was wondering on how the discussion will end? Currently, the lead sounds like a list of achievements written by a fan, so I proposed an RfC that would clean up the lead and make it sound less WP:FLUFF-y. The issue is, the discussion hasn't gotten any attention in the past few days; what's my next best choice for closing said RfC? There's currently three support votes (one light, I don't know if that makes a difference) and three oppose votes, so it's 50/50 right now. How do I reintroduce activity and finally come to a conclusion with the RfC? Thank you. shanghai. talk to me 02:47, 17 September 2021 (UTC)


 * @RogueShanghai You can request for closure at Closure requests. Please also note that RfC is not vote (!vote).  — Paper9oll  (🔔 • 📝)  02:55, 17 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Yes, I agree, as in my opinion the "support" votes showed stronger points rather than the oppose votes. Anyways, thanks and I'll file a closure request there. Thank you! shanghai. talk to me 02:58, 17 September 2021 (UTC)
 * @RogueShanghai No problem. Happy editing!  — Paper9oll  (🔔 • 📝)  02:59, 17 September 2021 (UTC)
 * , the user writing this, RogueShanghai, who identifies as a member of the Barbz of Stan Twitter here, who uses this type of languagehas long had a problematic behavior. And here is an Administrator noticing the inflamatory and negative edits by him towards articles about Cardi B. Here, is Cullen 328 noticing RogueShanghai is a single-purpose account: promoting Nicki Minaj. The user has been reported in ANI 4 times for this behavior. And admin also suggested the user should be banned from editing bios for his inflatamory edits on Cardi B's article. The vague lead section he's forcing on Cardi B's article is not a coincidence. Cornerstonepicker (talk) 03:01, 17 September 2021 (UTC)
 * I'm pretty sure that your reply constitutes obvious WP:HOUNDING. You have been called out by an editor for adding biased negative info about Nicki Minaj using an IP address here, and multiple other editors have noticed your bias against Nicki Minaj. In the same Cullen328 thread, he said that I have around 250~ edits on Nicki Minaj; I have 1,200 contributions to Wikipedia in general, so the math says otherwise on being a "Single purpose account" when the majority of my edits are not even about Nicki Minaj. You disruptively reverted a veteran editor's attempt to consolidate the fancruft-like Cardi B lead here, and you disregarded me citing as examples to add negative information about Nicki Minaj, here. Please stop the hounding.  shanghai. talk to me 03:11, 17 September 2021 (UTC)
 * @RogueShanghai Ok you're acussing me of what you do all the time, weeks ago you reverted edit after a long RFC... such behavior hasn't changed at all, even when on my talk page you said you were willing to change. Cornerstonepicker (talk) 03:15, 17 September 2021 (UTC)
 * I have evidence on my part that people have called out your bias (and minor sockpuppetry) against Minaj since 2020; an entire year now. I said on your talk page that I want to change and I want to work with you collaboratively when you stop being so unnecessarily hostile and aggressive. However, this obvious WP:HOUNDING shows that you don't want to work collaboratively with me. shanghai. talk to me 03:20, 17 September 2021 (UTC)

Sandbox
Hi, so I moved my sandbox page to change the capitalization, but now the Sandbox shortcut at the top-right links to the redirect page instead of my actual sandbox. Is there a way to change this? (I use the Legacy Vector skin.) Antrotherkus (Talk to me!) 22:03, 16 September 2021 (UTC)


 * I'm not actually sure if there is a way to fix this other than to simply keep the incorrect capitalization. As far as I know there's no way to edit the Sandbox link in the top right. Blaze The Wolf &#124; Proud Furry &#124; Discord: Blaze Wolf#0001 (talk) 22:05, 16 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Oh, that's too bad. Thanks anyway. Antrotherkus (Talk to me!) 23:00, 16 September 2021 (UTC)
 * You can add the below to . PrimeHunter (talk) 02:14, 17 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Oh I didn't actually think that stuff was modifiable. Now I know. ― <b style="background:#0d1125;color:#51aeff;padding:1q;border-radius:5q">Blaze The Wolf</b>Talk<sub title="Discord Username" style="position:relative;right:22q">Blaze Wolf#0001 02:24, 17 September 2021 (UTC)
 * JavaScript can do pretty much everything with a page in your own browser. It's a full programming language which can modify the viewed page. PrimeHunter (talk) 03:36, 17 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Oh, that's pretty cool. Thanks! Antrotherkus (Talk to me!) 03:54, 17 September 2021 (UTC)

An unfortunate little beef between a user due to my constant edits. Helpful advice?
I am having some trouble with a user who stated that I could be blocked from editing. Let me briefly explain. I was trying to correct wrong information on a page about a certain subject. I didn't mean to anger the user, I just felt like adding my knowledge (which are indeed true facts.) Into the page. Unfortunately, I did a lot of edits. Which was not my intention. Which was by accident. I am new to the editing phase. But I would appreciate kind and helpful advice. Doge456 (talk) 22:45, 16 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Welcome to Wikipedia. Any information you add must come from reliable, published sources, and not from your personal knowledge.  I suggest you start a discussion on the article's talk page with your suggested changes and let other interested editors comment on it.  To get some experience editing, you may want to try the WP:TUTORIAL and the learning game at WP:ADVENTURE. RudolfRed (talk) 23:16, 16 September 2021 (UTC)
 * I agree with RudolfRed, Doge456, you need to move the discussion off of user pages on to the article talk page. Disputes between two editors usually benefit from getting feedback from additional editors so it doesn't become a battle between two people with different points of view about the article. If no one comes to join in a discussion, think about posting to a relevant WikiProject to invite more editors to the discussion, in a completely neutral way. You are looking for more editors to participate in a discussion, not just people who will agree with you. Liz <sup style="font-family: Times New Roman; color: #006400;">Read! Talk! 02:26, 17 September 2021 (UTC)
 * I you have a content dispute with one other editor that cannot be resolved, Third opinion is a good way to bring a third person in to break the tie. That's just one of several dispute resolution methods available. ~Anachronist (talk) 04:27, 17 September 2021 (UTC)

Transclusion Citation Help
I'm attempting to help out by fixing some Category:Pages with broken reference names and have run into a wall with a transcluded article. Uruguay v Brazil (1950 FIFA World Cup) is transcluded to 1950 FIFA World Cup final round which is transcluded to 1950 FIFA World Cup. There's a reference on the original page that has a refname in the transcluded section, which I see is a common citation error. I've moved this reference name definition inside the transcluded section, but an error still appears on the two following pages. Would appreciate some guidance around how to fix this issue. BeReasonabl (talk) 04:11, 17 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Hi BeReasonabl, welcome to the Teahouse. I currently see no such error. It can take some time for an edit to be reflected in pages with transclusion. A purge can fix it right away. Bypass your cache if you still see it. PrimeHunter (talk) 04:53, 17 September 2021 (UTC)
 * oh, of course. My apologies for wasting your time PrimeHunter, I have refreshed my cache and see it now. Thanks for your help. BeReasonabl (talk) 05:01, 17 September 2021 (UTC)

Request for upload photo
I want to upload biography photo.So please allow me to upload photo. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Asif Khoso (talk • contribs) 04:53, 16 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Hello, . Who took the photo? How long ago? When and where was it first published? What does it show? If it shows a person, is that person dead or alive? Who owns the copyright? All these questions show that this is a very complicated question with many possible answers. You must be very careful. <b style="color:#070">Cullen</b><sup style="color:#707">328  Let's discuss it  06:11, 16 September 2021 (UTC)
 * If you took the photo, you can use the File Upload Wizard, but follow the instructions on that page: "Please ensure you understand copyright and the image use policy before proceeding." If you did not take the photo but know who did, have them read Donating copyrighted materials.  Hope this helps, and happy editing!  GoingBatty (talk) 05:10, 17 September 2021 (UTC)

A question.
I trying to create a page of a book but got rejection. Not sure what I have done wrong. Himanshu Arvind Kapadia (talk) 13:16, 16 September 2021 (UTC)
 * User:Himanshu Arvind Kapadia/sandbox is an unreferenced description of a book you wrote. It was rejected, and then nominated for Speedy deletion, meaning that soon it will be gone, with no record in your Contributions history of ever having existed. Wikipedia 'articles' (not 'pages') are limited to what people not connected to the subject have published. You describing your book does not meet Wikipedia's definition of confirming notability. David notMD (talk) 13:26, 16 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Welcome to the Teahouse! For more information, please see Plain and simple conflict of interest guide and Notability (books).  Hope this helps!  GoingBatty (talk) 05:16, 17 September 2021 (UTC)

about Bangladesh Liberation War Rawandan Genocide
Hello wikipedia editors I was reading about the Bangladesh liberation war Rawandan genocide. When I read this because Pakistan they're just a bunch of brown goddamn Moslems. First that is racist. Secondly wrong information they were Bengalians. And you wrote Muslims wrong you wrote moslems. 177.135.242.26 (talk) 18:04, 16 September 2021 (UTC)
 * You probably saw the result of some vandalism. The words you mention are not currently present in Bangladesh Liberation War or Rawandan Genocide. ~Anachronist (talk) 19:06, 16 September 2021 (UTC)
 * I see the phrase as part of a quote from Richard Nixon in the article 1971 Bangladesh genocide. GoingBatty (talk) 05:28, 17 September 2021 (UTC)

Request To Add BlueLock to the Article Kabir Singh
Hello Everyone at Teahouse, I need to do a request. can someone please add a BLUELOCK to the article Kabir Singh. as people are making wrong edits to the article which is totally illegal like many of the anonymous editors are removing the names of original Music Composers and Actors so this is my appeal to please add a bluelock to the article told above. BeingAlwaysHappy (talk) 05:41, 17 September 2021 (UTC)
 * WP:Requests for page protection/Increase is where you should be requesting semi-protection (10/4, greylock). XCP (500/30, bluelock) is grossly excessive since the edits seem to be being made by IPs and fresh accounts. —<i style="color: #1E90FF;">A little blue Bori</i>  v^_^v  Jéské Couriano 05:52, 17 September 2021 (UTC)

Can't add edit summaries ???
Why can't I add edit summaries when editing my own talk page? Speedcuber1 talk 23:29, 16 September 2021 Edit: I can't add edit summaries to this article anymore either, but I could 10 mins ago, idk what's going on. Speedcuber1 talk 23:30, 16 September 2021 (UTC) Edit 2: Just as I was about to post this I see I can add edit summaries. Is this a bug? Speedcuber1 talk 23:30, 16 September 2021 (UTC) Edit 3: I didn't sign those posts twice. That was also a bug. Speedcuber1 talk 23:33, 16 September 2021 (UTC)


 * (I like your new sig) You should be able to, I don't see what would prevent you from doing so. Blaze The Wolf &#124; Proud Furry &#124; Discord: Blaze Wolf#0001 (talk) 23:31, 16 September 2021 (UTC)

Edit 3: I didn't sign those posts twice. That was also a bug. Speedcuber1 talk 23:33, 16 September 2021 (UTC)
 * I don't know what's causing it to happen either. Speedcuber1  talk 23:35, 16 September 2021 (UTC)
 * I avoid using the WYSIWYG editor for many reasons. This may be one more. I always use the source editor. It isn't hard. ~Anachronist (talk) 01:13, 17 September 2021 (UTC)
 * If you mean the visual editor, AFAICT from their contribution history tags, the OP has never used it. I'm not sure problems that have occurred exclusively on the source editor are a reason to avoid the visual editor, but okay I guess..... (The OP has used the mobile web editor but not since 2019. They've also used Twinkle although the edits here where the signature problem occurred didn't seem to use it.) Nil Einne (talk) 06:46, 17 September 2021 (UTC)
 * I should clarify that for the signature problem, it seems clear it must be something occurring in the desktop source editor. For the edit summary problem, I guess it's possible the OP is using the visual editor (or whatever), sees there's no edit summary and starts using the source editor. It seems very weird to me the OP didn't notice this was happening or if it was, they didn't think to mention it. Nil Einne (talk) 07:05, 17 September 2021 (UTC)
 * from your comments at AN [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard&diff=prev&oldid=1044774119], are you saying you get duplicated signatures on 70% of your posts? Nil Einne (talk) 07:17, 17 September 2021 (UTC)

Seeking wise counsel and guidance
How do we gauge an esports team? - A sports team WP:NSPORTS or a company WP:NCORP?. As of now, we are following this statement as a yardstick at an ongoing AfD discussion -Stalwart Esports. We are having a crucial discussion on the notability of this particular entity and there is a bit of a different opinion (but natural). As a nominator, I tried to add the AfD at the relevant WikiProject page - WikiProject_Video_games/eSports/afd/2021 - to generate a wider consensus. Simultaneously I'm raising this question at TEA for quick and able guidance. Thanks in advance. -Hatchens (talk) 04:00, 17 September 2021 (UTC)


 * IMOIn the absence of a specific guideline, it's always WP:GNG that we should be evaluating on. NCORP is just GNG with teeth because most of the time people will count all kinds of weak sources for GNG, which we may tolerate for mundane topics but we can't for organisations that have the will and the money to attack our integrity for their gain. The AFD will have to try to come to consensus by itself on (a) whether an esports team is a corporation that needs to meet NCORP; and whether the sources available meet it and (b) whether GNG (as a possibly weaker version of NCORP) is met and that is sufficient.There's a good case for it being an organisation, as that's what the article says, and it seems to meet the criteria given at NCORP's lead. Usedtobecool ☎️ 06:11, 17 September 2021 (UTC)
 * , thanks for providing the clarity. I would like to suggest - we should explore creating a wikipedia project on eSports and address these kind of issues by formulating proper guidelines. I'm keen to participate in such project. - Hatchens (talk) 07:50, 17 September 2021 (UTC)
 * @Hatchens You could try to start a discussion about that, perhaps at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Sports, and "advertise" (WP:APPNOTE]) the discussion at Talk:Esports and some of the wikiprojects listed there. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 08:42, 17 September 2021 (UTC)
 * , sure. Thanks for the support (including the navigational one). Let me initiate the discussion over there. - Hatchens (talk) 09:20, 17 September 2021 (UTC)

Regarding to unblocking our site to wikipedia blocklist
My site name is chillibollywood.com,Which is now existing in wikipedia blacklist. please tell me how can i remove website to the blacklist. Chillibollywood (talk) 06:59, 17 September 2021 (UTC)
 * You can ask at MediaWiki talk:Spam-blacklist, but note that the admins there will not remove a website from the blacklist at the behest of the site owner. —<i style="color: #1E90FF;">A little blue Bori</i>  v^_^v  Jéské Couriano 07:15, 17 September 2021 (UTC)


 * Furthermore,, please refrain from marking your edits as as minor when they introduce new text, and please refrain from "correcting grammar mistakes" in edits that actually introduce grammar errors
 * this sentence is missing a verb
 * "family of" is dubious, a verb is missing, and there are no capitals inside English sentences
 * "that’s" in this context would refer to the director rather than the work
 * (I might be mistaken about some of those since I am not a native English speaker and have no familiarity with Indian English, but I would be shocked if half of those are indeed correct.) It is okay to not write the best English, other people can correct it, but do not misrepresent it in edit summaries. Tigraan <span title="Send me a silicium letter!" style="color:">Click here for my talk page ("private" contact) 12:17, 17 September 2021 (UTC)

Should I add a commons category "Domestic idylls" to "Art by Genre"?
It seems to me that none of the existing categories included in Commons Category:Art by genre include a common type of Victorian art, domestic idylls such as these images Image:Skredsvig Idyll.png Image:Nova Scotia scenery LCCN2002710682.jpg Although mainly Victorian, this genre continues with Thomas Kinkade. Do you support adding this category? Downtowngal (talk) 22:41, 15 September 2021 (UTC) Downtowngal (talk) 22:41, 15 September 2021 (UTC)


 * @Downtowngal welcome to the Teahouse. Actually, I don't think that's a good idea at all, and I wouldn't support it. My rationale would be that it is incredibly subjective. Who defines what is an 'idyll'? Unless 'domestic idyll' is a specific genre, with its own definition and criteria for inclusion, such categorisation would be WP:OR, and not acceptable here. Nick Moyes (talk) 23:43, 15 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Hi Downtowngal. In addition to what Nick Moyes posted above, it's also important to remember that Commons and Wikipedia are really separate projects with their own policies and guidelines. So, before creating any new categories over at Commons, you might want to look at c:COM:Categories for some general guidance and then perhaps seek additional input at c:COM:Help desk. Commons is a gloabl project which provides images for all Wikimedia Foundation projects (including all the various non-English Wikipedias); so, there might some differences in how categories are created on Commons and how they are created here on English Wikipedia. -- Marchjuly (talk) 00:55, 16 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Hello, . I did a Google Books search and it looks to me like that term is applied mostly to literature including novels and poetry but I do not see reliable sources applying it to paintings or visual art. Maybe you are aware of sources that I did not find. Claiming that a painting genre extends from the Victorian Era in Norway and Canada to a late 20th century/early 21st century commercialized American artist like Thomas Kinkade is an extraordinary claim that requires extraordinary evidence. You cannot make that connection yourself. <b style="color:#070">Cullen</b><sup style="color:#707">328  Let's discuss it  06:27, 16 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Thank you all for the valuable feedback. It's exactly what I wanted. I do point out that Rosemary Treble's work [] is cited on Idyll and it is clear to me that the romanticized or idealized domestic realm was a popular type of Victorian prints and paintings. (This is what Kinkade recapitulated.) However, this type of art may be too localized to the English-speaking world for a rather short period to merit its own category. I'll check out advice on Commons. Thanks again. Downtowngal (talk) 14:08, 17 September 2021 (UTC)
 * I'm surprised that anyone would consider Skredsvig Idyll.png and Kinkade's well-known "Painter of Light" works to be in the same genre. Maproom (talk) 07:48, 16 September 2021 (UTC)

De/unblocking account Mmerocknroll
Hello! I was personally approached by the editor Mmerocknroll, whose account has been blocked on the English Wikipedia. Being an unexperienced editor first an account with the name Smartlivinglab was created, that was blocked because no COI was given. So a new account was created coming from the same IP and block as well. This is all unfortunate, but won't happen again, as I have now instructed the editor how to state the COI on both the article concerned and on the user page. Is there a way to unblock? Thanks for your advices! Quaenuncabibis (talk) 13:30, 17 September 2021 (UTC)
 * If you want to advocate for a blocked user, do it on the user talk page where there is already a pending appeal, so that an administrator reviewing the appeal can also see your words. That won't happen if you do it on this Teahouse page. ~Anachronist (talk) 14:37, 17 September 2021 (UTC)

Where is a place to chat on Wikipedia?
Where is a Wikipedia page to chat? Give me the link. Orrinpants (talk) 13:50, 17 September 2021 (UTC)
 * You might be looking for WP:IRC or WP:DISCORD ~TNT (she/they • talk) 13:55, 17 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Saying 'please' is always a nice thing to do, and your post came across as rather blunt. But please also remember Wikipedia's IRC channel is not a chat forum, but is purely for discussing matters directly related to Wikipedia, and nothing else. See WP:NOTSOCIAL for further explanation of this. Nick Moyes (talk) 14:42, 17 September 2021 (UTC)

What happens in Wikipedia???
Hello

I'm writing this while being in a very high level of anger and frustration !!!!

After getting my breakfast, a few minutes ago, I checked Wikipedia and found a disaster (yes a BIG DISASTER)

deleted, according to his personal impression, all the pages I created last 2 days, as I got time, motivation and energy to write articles here in one of the fields I like the most, which is business

The pages are: Ismael Belkhayat Chari.ma Sarouty.ma

I expect that he thought that because I created the entrepreneur and after that his companies pages, it means I am connected with him or paid for this...

WHY WILL YOU DESTROY ALL MY EFFORTS IN ONE CLICK RELYING ON EXPECTATIONS !!! THIS MEANS I JUST WASTED MY TIME LAST 2 DAYS !!! I would instead have done something else....

If you think there are dishonest editors here, try to find them with other methods and make sure that they are paid or connected... Don't rely on personal judgements!!

All the pages I created are well referenced (according to Wikipedia policies) and well written. Why would you destroy the pride I felt yesterday for nothing !!!!!

Please Stop it ! Stop it ! Stop it !

Sorry for the tone (I am really angry) and thanks for reading.--Art&#38;football (talk) 11:32, 17 September 2021 (UTC) Art&#38;football (talk) 11:32, 17 September 2021 (UTC)


 * All three, Art&#38;football, were deleted as "Unambiguous advertising or promotion". I looked at one, Ismael Belkhayat. It looks to me rather like a CV. The lead paragraph reads (amid a plethora of references): I can't see how being an entrepreneur, being the founder and CEO of a company that itself doesn't have an article here, being somebody's brother, or any combination of these three confers notability. -- Hoary (talk) 11:59, 17 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Did you check the sources? It's what you actually have to check. Also, is there any policy that requires that an entrepreneur's company must have a page in Wikipedia to see his own page approved? Second, is it not useful to put this info (Minister brother) in the page?--Art&#38;football (talk) 12:11, 17 September 2021 (UTC)
 * No, Art&#38;football, I haven't checked the sources. (There are a great many of them, and my time is limited.) But as I read the opening paragraph, I couldn't understand how this man was notable in the normal (non-Wikipedia) sense of the word. Is his primary claim to notability being the founder and CEO of Wib.co? If so, perhaps create an article on Wib.co first; if not, then what is his primary claim to notability? -- Hoary (talk) 12:25, 17 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Art&#38;football, I think you have things a little backwards. Maybe the Minister warrants an article.  And if there's an article on the Minister and it discusses the Minister's family, MAYBE it's appropriate to name the Minister's brother.  But that doesn't mean the Minister's brother warrants an article, simply for BEING the Minister's brother. Uporządnicki (talk) 12:34, 17 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Hello I didn't say that. I already know that being someone's brother, father, husband...doesn't give notability. I just said that this info is useful to be in the page. That's all! Ismael Belkhayat notability can be prooved by the press sources that I provided. Did you get it?--Art&#38;football (talk) 12:54, 17 September 2021 (UTC)


 * First of all, it is strongly advised not to edit while undergoing strong emotions.
 * If you think the deletions were erroneous, the thing to do would be to discuss them with the deleting administrator first (by the way, Athaenara is a she, which can be determined either from reading her userboxes or using the template that produces "") . I see you started doing that in parallel of the Teahouse thread.
 * While it is OK to have many references in an article, do not put many references to create an illusion of notability. Quality trumps quantity; if someone disagrees that the sources support notability, I suggest you pick out the best three sources to discuss based on them. (See also: WP:THREE.) Tigraan <span title="Send me a silicium letter!" style="color:">Click here for my talk page ("private" contact) 12:46, 17 September 2021 (UTC)
 * I didn't even know there was a template to see someone's gender. ― <b style="background:#0d1125;color:#51aeff;padding:1q;border-radius:5q">Blaze The Wolf</b>Talk<sub title="Discord Username" style="position:relative;right:22q">Blaze Wolf#0001 12:57, 17 September 2021 (UTC)
 * It is not magic: it uses the "gender used in messages" preference set at Special:Preferences, which some people leave on neutral, intentionally or not. Tigraan <span title="Send me a silicium letter!" style="color:">Click here for my talk page ("private" contact) 13:04, 17 September 2021 (UTC)
 * I knew that. I just didn't know the template existed. ― <b style="background:#0d1125;color:#51aeff;padding:1q;border-radius:5q">Blaze The Wolf</b>Talk<sub title="Discord Username" style="position:relative;right:22q">Blaze Wolf#0001 14:45, 17 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Yes I am trying to discuss with her. And I know it is advised not to edit while under emotions but sorry I couldn't hold myself--Art&#38;football (talk) 13:00, 17 September 2021 (UTC)


 * , here is a parable:
 * "I spent a lot of time and effort building a house, and it fell down! I'm really angry because my work is wasted."
 * "I'm sorry for you; but perhaps it would have been a good idea to learn about housebuilding before you tried something so big and complicated."
 * Of course, writing an article is not as big and complicated as building a house; but it is a lot harder than many people realise. Furthermore, there are regulations about article writing just as there are about housebuilding: see the 5 pillars. --ColinFine (talk) 13:46, 17 September 2021 (UTC)

remove stubs or unreferenced on Kaoru Kakudo
Kaoru Kakudo contains both Unreferenced (at wrong location) and 3 stubs. my first impression after reading about unreference is to remove it. article is not too short but it is brief. moreover, if stubs and unreferenced contain, which should i remove (priority)? Brāhmī • tagboard   • (always start discussion using  ) 12:56, 16 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Ideally, you should find and add references. If there are none to be found, you could propose the article be deleted. I did a quickie search and did not find any useful refs. Som eexist, but those were copies of the Wikipedia article. David notMD (talk) 13:31, 16 September 2021 (UTC)
 * good idea. i will bookmark this and come back later for the best course of action (perhaps pinging article creator for his/her sources?). i have no intention to propose deletion, this might be part of women in red or something similar initiative. Brāhmī • tagboard   • (always start discussion using  ) 15:16, 16 September 2021 (UTC)
 * The creator (2009) has since been indefinitely blocked. P.S. To 'sign' your edits, type four of ~ at the end. The u| is just another way of doing a ping. David notMD (talk) 15:26, 16 September 2021 (UTC)
 * i am always signing with 4 tilders. perhaps my signature is looking like text or it does not standout. i complain about something and will move on. i will check my complaints or queries only twice a day or if someone pings. Brāhmī • tagboard   • (always start discussion using  ) 16:58, 16 September 2021 (UTC)
 * , what you've set in your signature is confusing. It is not obvious that that "Brahmi" bit is a link to your user page, I would have no idea what the "tagboard" bit meant if I didn't read the source (I see it's to your Wikidata User talk page, which will confuse anybvoy who thinks they're going to your Wikipedia user talk page) and the exhortation at the end, though it makes sense, looks as if that's the bit that is your signature. Please simplify it. . --ColinFine (talk) 14:22, 17 September 2021 (UTC)
 * done. –Ashtamatrikas (talk) 15:01, 17 September 2021 (UTC)

Processing draft
Hello! User "Nomadicghumakkad" was helping process my draft of an entry about Baltimore Fishbowl. After I addressed their questions and made necessary revisions, they told me that they tried to process it but were not able to for some reason, and they suggested that I seek assistance from the Teahouse. Can you help process the Baltimore Fishbowl draft? Thank you! BaltimoreReporter (talk) 11:28, 17 September 2021 (UTC)
 * In the context of User_talk:Nomadicghumakkad, I believe meant that they cannot understand the long-winded post you made discussing the sources, not that they have technical difficulties with draft approval.
 * I think one source of confusion is that there are two reasons to use sources in an article. The first reason is to show "notability", in this case as defined by WP:NMEDIA, without which no article should exist; this requires generally sources that are simultaneously independent of the subject, reliable, and deal with the subject at length. Once this bar is passed, you may use sources to justify statements in the article; these sources need only be reliable, which is a weaker constraint. The problem is that you presented a source that does not deal with the radio station itself at length as if it supported a claim to notability; it does not, but it can stay, if the article is accepted based on other sources.
 * Can you list the three sources that in your opinion support the best a case for notability (again, as outlined by WP:NMEDIA)? No need to summarize them for us (we can read), if they are online a bare URL will suffice. See WP:THREE for why you should list few sources (in short: quality trumps quantity, if you cannot find three that make a half-decent case, one hundred will not help). Tigraan <span title="Send me a silicium letter!" style="color:">Click here for my talk page ("private" contact) 13:01, 17 September 2021 (UTC)


 * Thank you for that clarification. I misunderstood before. Here are the three sources which demonstrate Baltimore Fishbowl's notability:
 * http://www.bmoremedia.com/features/baltfishbowl012412.aspx,
 * https://www.bizjournals.com/baltimore/news/2019/02/14/ken-ulman-former-sun-editor-partner-with-baltimore.html,
 * https://www.marylandmatters.org/blog/bold-faced-names-add-money-and-heft-to-baltimore-fishbowl/
 * BaltimoreReporter (talk) 14:50, 17 September 2021 (UTC)
 * @BaltimoreReporter I'm afraid none of those sources indicate notability to me. They are purely promotional pieces about the newspaper, and are not significant enough to base a decision of notability on, so I see little to no chance of your draft being approved unless more independent and major news outlets have written in detail and in depth about this business. Sorry. Nick Moyes (talk) 15:03, 17 September 2021 (UTC)

Thank you for the feedback. May I ask what are the standards for distinguishing between coverage that is "promotional" versus "notable"? The three sources that I provided are independent/unaffiliated with Baltimore Fishbowl. The piece from BmoreMedia covers how Fishbowl was founded, what readers can expect, etc. And the other two pieces (from Baltimore Business Journal and Maryland Matters) discuss updates about the website, including who is funding it. I believe those news articles are informational, not promotional. To me, promotional means advertising and those articles do not appear to be paid for. Ultimately, I respect your decision. I just want to make sure I fully understand in case additional articles are written about Fishbowl in the future.BaltimoreReporter (talk) 15:14, 17 September 2021 (UTC)
 * We want sources that establish notability to be completely independently written. Interviews and articles that are clearly rewritten from press releases are generally held not to qualify. - MrOllie (talk) 15:18, 17 September 2021 (UTC)


 * There is no difference between "informational" and "promotional" on Wikipedia. Wikipedia is not for merely providing information. We're interested in what others choose on their own to say about the website, not what it says about itself or what it considers to be its own history. 331dot (talk) 15:21, 17 September 2021 (UTC)

Got it. Yes, I think my confusion originated because I was using Wikipedia pages of other local digital websites (e.g. Baltimore Brew, Baltimore Magazine) as templates for this one. I did not realize that Wikipedia's notability standards had changed since those pages were made. Thank you again for the clarification and education. I really appreciate it. Have a nice day!BaltimoreReporter (talk) 15:34, 17 September 2021 (UTC)

Hip Hop Group Public Enemy
I am a member of the historic group Public Enemy but I don't see my name or other group members names who do I talk too to get it fixed 47.20.180.167 (talk) 15:56, 17 September 2021 (UTC)
 * You first gather independent reliable sources that describe your membership in the group, as we cannot just take your word for it. Take those sources to the article talk page, where you can make a formal edit request. Please also review conflict of interest. 331dot (talk) 15:59, 17 September 2021 (UTC)

Other People on My Talk Page
Hi, today I reverted someone's edit from the Recent Changes page as I have been doing for a few days. They had stated in their Edit Summary that they did not understand why their Edit had already been reverted by someone else. So when I reverted it (there was no source for the added content), I left a note on their talk page explaining why I did so. They are now leaving very accusatory and rude messages on my talk page. I responded to the first message very kindly, explaining again why I reverted their edit and even gave some sources so they could learn about sourcing on Wikipedia. They then left another very hostile message in response. What can I do about this? Is there anywhere to report it? Thanks! Plutobutbigger :-) 20:48, 16 September 2021 (UTC)


 * Hey Pluto! Glad to see another anti-vandalism user. Their responses weren't nearly as bad as I thought they were from what you said (although I don't really like them saying "Gestapo power trip" to you and saying that you're policing articles). What you really should've done is explained your reason for reverting the edit in your edit summary (if it was too big for an edit summary then you can simply put in the edit summary: "reason for revert left on user's talk page"). Not really sure what the severity of what they said is so I'll let someone else be the judge of that. Blaze The Wolf &#124; Proud Furry &#124; Discord: Blaze Wolf#0001 (talk) 21:11, 16 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Thank you for the advice for next time! I will keep in mind that I can leave more of a reason in the edit summary (though I did put "Unsourced" in the edit summary, I could have said more). The part I am the most concerned about is them implying that I am willfully discouraging new editors, when I myself am a new editor. I don't want anyone to see it on my talk page and assume things about me. Am I being dramatic? Do people not pay attention to talk pages like that? Do I have to leave it on my talk page? Thank you so much! Plutobutbigger :-) 21:21, 16 September 2021 (UTC)
 * You can remove it on your talkpage if you want. There's nothing preventing you from doing so. Also, unsourced is plenty for your revert reason. I see that you are wondering what the correct terminology instead of "vandalism" would be. Saying their edits were "unconstructive" would be better, or simply telling them (again) that you reverted their edit because they did not provide a source for it and you explained exactly that in your edit summary. Also them saying "Happy CVUing" makes no sense because CVU is short for Counter-Vandalism Unit. If you'd like I could help you out in figuring out what is an isn't vandalism. Just let me know on my talk page and I will do my best to help. Blaze The Wolf &#124; Proud Furry &#124; Discord: Blaze Wolf#0001 (talk) 21:38, 16 September 2021 (UTC)
 * I've only looked quickly,, but it's not surprising that somebody might get aggressive when you accuse them unjustly of vandalism: Vandalism is editing intended to damage Wikipedia: good faith edits, however mistaken, are never vandalism. --ColinFine (talk) 21:14, 16 September 2021 (UTC)
 * That makes a lot of sense. I did not realize I was using the wrong word. However, I did not use vandalism until they had already been on my talk page. I will look further into the right terminology for these types of situations, I would never want to offend. Plutobutbigger :-) 21:21, 16 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Hey, Pluto! I have left an explanatory note for the other editor on your talk page. Nick Moyes (talk) 13:59, 17 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Thank you!! Plutobutbigger :-) 16:34, 17 September 2021 (UTC)

How to stop misuse by kid or mentally impaired
A user, PerpetuityGrat, has registered and set up a user page etc., all for the purpose of playing a very infantile prank ("Rickrolling") on whoever clicks on any and all of his links. It must be either a young kid, or somebody mentally impaired (not technically though). How can this "game" be stopped? It's been going on for over half a year now. It's not harmful, just painfully silly, w/o a trace of being funny. And I know funny when I see it. Misusing WP isn't even the issue. Don't want to get them the impression that they're in some "serious fight with the adults" either, that would miss the point and start a cascade of new accounts, more giggling teenagers joining in and so forth. Thanks, Arminden (talk) 19:41, 16 September 2021 (UTC)


 * I don't really see the problem since it doesn't link to the actual Youtube video but simply just WP:RICKROLL and Rickroll. Although I will let the user know that it would be a good idea to place one of the templates that indicate content is meant to be humorous, that way people don't get confused. Blaze The Wolf &#124; Proud Furry &#124; Discord: Blaze Wolf#0001 (talk) 19:47, 16 September 2021 (UTC)


 * you're really going to call me a "kid or mentally impaired" in a public setting? Grow up? I thanked you for rectifying an edit and you make this post? LOL. I'm a wikignome... I'm not going to boast about my edits or anything absurd. It's humor. And it's cowardice and kind of pathetic that you didn't even address me. Real sad. --PerpetuityGrat (talk) 19:57, 16 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Please remember to be nice. Comments like these can be seen as personal attacks. Blaze The Wolf &#124; Proud Furry &#124; Discord: Blaze Wolf#0001 (talk) 20:00, 16 September 2021 (UTC)
 * But it's not a personal attack to call me a kid, mentally impaired, or a teenager? And my comments were clearly aimed at the actions of the user, not the user themselves. They called me, an editor, a kid, mentally impaired, and a teenager... in a public forum... --PerpetuityGrat (talk) 20:04, 16 September 2021 (UTC)
 * While I do agree that Arminden shouldn't have called you mentally impaired (calling someone a kid or teen isn't really much of a personal attack), telling someone to "Grow up" can be seen as a personal attack. Please take a look at WP:PERSONALATTACK. Blaze The Wolf &#124; Proud Furry &#124; Discord: Blaze Wolf#0001 (talk) 20:07, 16 September 2021 (UTC)
 * gotcha, I apologize for using the term "grow up" and using that as a personal attack in response to being called "mentally impaired" over humor on my userpage. --PerpetuityGrat (talk) 20:12, 16 September 2021 (UTC)
 * I suggest you try and work this out with Arminden who you appear to have issues with. I am remvoing myself from this situation after I make this reply in order to prevent myself from doing something I will regret. Blaze The Wolf &#124; Proud Furry &#124; Discord: Blaze Wolf#0001 (talk) 20:15, 16 September 2021 (UTC)

thanks, but it is a problem, as now I've got at least the 3rd "alert" from him in about half an hour. It's time-consuming, blocks my alert system, and does end up being annoying. So a "please don't" is worse than nothing, it's what he revels in. That's what he's built the whole trap for. He needs to be closed down, but with an explanation that - is it called sock-puppeteering? - will be detected and stopped. Don't let him feel important, that's the only rule here, or he'll start harassing you too and everybody else he can find. Arminden (talk) 20:01, 16 September 2021 (UTC)
 * I'm sorry, who are you? Why did you just call me a "kid" and "mentally impaired." Honestly, how dare you? Why would you do this? I should report you for that. I have never seen any type of personal attack like this in my entire time on here, and I am gravely offended. --PerpetuityGrat (talk) 20:05, 16 September 2021 (UTC)

do not suggest that an editor has mental impairments on Wikipedia, ever (unless the editor has described themselves as having them). It's also extremely rude to say that someone must be a child because of their humour. In any case, I fail to see the issue here. Some children/teenagers are able to edit Wikipedia successfully (I did myself, and I know several current excellent Wikipedians who I think are children), and jokes on a userpage are fine. I used to have a rickroll joke on mine for a long time. — Bilorv ( talk ) 20:07, 16 September 2021 (UTC)


 * The issue is, other users aren't finding the jokes on their userpage funny (implying they created pages only for them to link to Rickroll isn't very funny) and one user in particular (User:Bbb23) has asked them to remove it, and Perpetuity didn't give any reasoning as to why they don't want to remove it and didn't seem to try and find a compromise. I'm doing my best to stay neutral in this situation as well. Blaze The Wolf &#124; Proud Furry &#124; Discord: Blaze Wolf#0001 (talk) 20:12, 16 September 2021 (UTC)
 * I will note that I asked User:Bbb23 for a policy to point to and they never referred to one. I was unfamiliar with WP:HUMOR until today. It would have been much more prudent to have been shown that guideline rather than finding out that someone called me mentally impaired in the Teahouse... --PerpetuityGrat (talk) 20:14, 16 September 2021 (UTC)

, you've totally fallen into the trap. I've warned you not to. Did you check his list of "contributions"? 7 months only "working" on his own user page, referweshing the "trap". Humour is supposed to be funny, this is just silly and sad. For him fun means: being taken seriously. And you have. A WikiGnome is smb doing useful edits; he's only fixing his trap. The rest is "playing the game", i.e. "playing the stupid editors" who are blind enough to enter the "game", after him learning a few WP terms and rules, and having fun at pretending. WP is meant to inform, it's not a gaming platform. A very clear case of WP misuse. So if you don't have the authority or intention to close him down, I suggest you don't get further entangled in this. Sorry I brought you in. Arminden (talk) 20:19, 16 September 2021 (UTC)
 * I don't even understand what you're talking about. The humor on my userpage has been deleted... How am I fixing my trap? You slandered my image as an editor.. I just don't even understand. You literally called me mentally impaired on a site that I frequently try to improve. This is all very discouraging for me. --PerpetuityGrat (talk) 20:27, 16 September 2021 (UTC)

An apology: I mistook the edit history of his own user page for his contribution list, which is actually this. My mistake, sorry. He might be a gnome, that mainly means: he's editing too, not just making attempts at being funny. I still don't appreciate being showered with alerts, but that's a different ballgame. So I'm stepping back now and waiting to see if he intends to stop. Arminden (talk) 20:33, 16 September 2021 (UTC)
 * I thanked you for an edit I found in recent changes, then I pinged you in this discussion. I may have pinged you another time, but I don't see how that warrants calling me mentally impaired and assuming that I'm some giggling teenager. I literally thanked you for an edit, then all of a sudden I learn that someone called me out at the Teahouse. I don't see how in any way I conceivably annoyed you by showering you with (two, at most three) alerts, when you made a post here about me. And now you're waiting to see if I'm going to shower you with alerts again? Idk how you confused my userpage history with my contribution history, but that small mistake was completely overblown and resulted in this nonsense, and somehow I'm the bad guy. I'm terribly sorry for all of this. This entire experience has made me feel wholly unwelcome. --PerpetuityGrat (talk) 16:32, 17 September 2021 (UTC)
 * I would advise dropping the conversation. Arminden has decided to step back and so has basically everyone else. I suggest you follow suit as well. ― <b style="background:#0d1125;color:#51aeff;padding:1q;border-radius:5q">Blaze The Wolf</b>Talk<sub title="Discord Username" style="position:relative;right:22q">Blaze Wolf#0001 16:35, 17 September 2021 (UTC)

Wiki Data Help
I want to add english (enwiki)Article on wikdata but after placing the link it's saying A page "en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/(aticle name)" could not be found on "enwiki". 2409:4060:2E92:7982:645B:2EA7:362D:2DF2 (talk) 16:38, 17 September 2021 (UTC)
 * It sounds as if you've tried to input a URL when what it's looking for is just the article name. --David Biddulph (talk) 16:40, 17 September 2021 (UTC)

May i create Shadab Chauhan as it was deleted before
May i create the article named Shadab Chauhan that was deleted before because it was created by a blocked or banned user Sheikh911 (talk) 12:12, 17 September 2021 (UTC)
 * you can, in the sense that it's not prohibited. I would note that having been deleted already, you will want to make sure that even your under-construction work doesn't look promotional at any stage Nosebagbear (talk) 12:31, 17 September 2021 (UTC)

Thank you I will create it nicely. Sheikh911 (talk) 12:42, 17 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Wait! You, yourself, Sheikh911, are indefinitely blocked, and creating an article about that person requires an extended confirmed editor. Teahouse hosts do not have the authority to lift the block. 37.205.39.149 (talk) 16:42, 17 September 2021 (UTC)

Review process vs different sandboxes
Hello Tea House,

I have created an article in my main sandbox but whenever I log in to my account, an old draft version appears by default. 1)How can we manage the different versions of sandboxes or at least get the main sandbox to appear by default?

2) Then, once I have initiated the review process, can I make minor modifications such as adding the phonetics of a word without review process? Or do I need to start over again? If you have an article/video specifying the review process in particular for articles, I would appreciate it. Thanks, User67343322 (talk) 16:59, 17 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. The only drafts you have created are  Draft:Sandbox and User:User67343322/sandbox. I think you might have gotten the two titles confused at some point which is why you refer to "main sandbox"(only the page name with your username in it is your actual sandbox).  Typically drafts are submitted using Articles for Creation which provides the means through which to submit it; I will shortly add this information to your draft manually to allow you to submit it. Be aware that you have chosen a challenging area in which to edit, bitcoin/cryptocurrencies, which has special rules that I will notify you about on your user talk page. 331dot (talk) 17:05, 17 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Your actual sandbox has the information to submit your draft; I would suggest simply copying "Draft:Sandbox" over to your personal sandbox. 331dot (talk) 17:08, 17 September 2021 (UTC)

I'm trying to have an article published but it's so hard just donated and feel lost.
I'm trying to have an article published, but it's so hard, just donated and feel lost.Is there anyone who can fix it for me please? Thanks Chrissy7531 (talk) 17:09, 17 September 2021 (UTC):
 * In the feedback, both on your draft and on your user talk page, the words in blue are wikilinks to detailed advice. In general it is better to get used to editing existing articles before you tackle the difficult task of creating an article from square one, but if you do want to do the latter you will find advice at WP:Your first article.  Note that although the WMF will be grateful for your donation, it has no effect on the acceptance or otherwise of your draft.  - David Biddulph (talk) 17:18, 17 September 2021 (UTC)

Censorship
How much censorship and santization of talk page histories goes on on Wikipedia, and how much of it comes from autocratic governments, not just individual actors? Perhaps some examples of where articles and talk pages are 'missing some history.' -Zabooba (talk) 19:14, 15 September 2021 (UTC)


 * Censoring in the manner you described would be WP:VANDALISM. Any accounts who would do that would hopefully be blocked. Signed,Pichemist (Talk) 19:16, 15 September 2021 (UTC)


 * If editing-history actually is missing, it's hard to know about it. You may find WP:SUPPRESS interesting. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 19:29, 15 September 2021 (UTC)
 * I've blocked the account for clearly not being here to write an encyclopedia due to stuff like this, but a serious answer about missing history (though probably not what the OP was looking for) is my user page at User:Graham87/Page history observations. Graham 87 17:25, 17 September 2021 (UTC)

Help new JLL editor
Hi, I'm a newer editor representing JLL, standing in for my colleague who usually makes Wikipedia requests for the company as she is out on leave. I wanted to ask here for help with finding someone to review a request for two brief additions to the article; I have asked a previous editor and I'm not sure where else to look for assistance.

Also, I noticed that someone added two sentences to the JLL page about an issue at one of the offices in London for which JLL provides facilities management. It's essentially a personnel issue involving an employee of our subcontractor. It doesn't strike me as being something that editors would typically include in a company Wikipedia article; this is not a major event and does not have an impact on the company as a whole. Could editors take a look at this, too? GKatJLL (talk) 17:13, 17 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. Please see your user talk page for important information about how some policies and guidelines relevant to you, including information on a formal declaration you must make.  The request you speak of is pending; requests are fulfilled by volunteers, doing what they can when they can. 331dot (talk) 17:22, 17 September 2021 (UTC)
 * <b style="color:#7F007F">TimTempleton</b> <sup style="color:#800080">(talk) <sup style="color:#7F007F">(cont)  17:38, 17 September 2021 (UTC)

Reducing non-free image
Which is the best software / app to reduce the size of non-free rationale poster without losing quality? Hyderabadi (talk) 14:30, 17 September 2021 (UTC)
 * A bot will automatically reduce the image.  dud  hhr  Contribs 14:38, 17 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Yeah I know that I am asking how to manually reduce by myself. Hyderabadi (talk) 14:42, 17 September 2021 (UTC)
 * @Hyderabadi Further to the answer above, should you ever wish to reduce or crop any image yourself prior to uploading, I thoroughly recommend IrfanView. It's totally free, and I have used it both for work and on every home PC and laptop I've ever owned over many, many years. Nick Moyes (talk) 14:45, 17 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the suggestion. Hyderabadi (talk) 14:47, 17 September 2021 (UTC)
 * @Hyderabadi If you want free alternative to Adobe Photoshop than GIMP is the probably the closest you can get. After you install the software, you can use this website to help you to calculate the sizing in which the non-free image file should be reduced to. The website is the same website recommended on WP:IMAGERES.  — Paper9oll  (🔔 • 📝)  14:56, 17 September 2021 (UTC)
 * @Paper9oll: Thanks for the suggestion. Hyderabadi (talk) 15:07, 17 September 2021 (UTC)
 * @Hyderabadi No problem. Happy editing!  — Paper9oll  (🔔 • 📝)  15:08, 17 September 2021 (UTC)
 * For what it's worth, I use Paint.Net. But as you can see, that's just one option out of many.Mike Marchmont (talk) 15:13, 17 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the suggestion. Hyderabadi (talk) 17:41, 17 September 2021 (UTC)

List of wikipedians that do not fear their own life or something?
I remember seeing such list, and those people who are in harm's risk to document controversial things on real life, what was that list again? Cheers 125.167.112.247 (talk) 02:41, 16 September 2021 (UTC)
 * There's Editors willing to make difficult edits. Graham 87 17:47, 17 September 2021 (UTC)

Quick question, please let me know the answer (if there is one)
How do you see how many contributions a user has? Like any user for example, how do you see their number of contributions? Speedcuber1 (talk) 23:06, 16 September 2021 (UTC) Speedcuber1 (talk) 23:06, 16 September 2021 (UTC)


 * Quick answer: https://xtools.wmflabs.org/ec/en.wikipedia.org/Example (replace Example with the username of the user you want to see the contrib number for) Blaze The Wolf &#124; Proud Furry &#124; Discord: Blaze Wolf#0001 (talk) 23:08, 16 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Hi . Another way to find such information is to go to a user's userpage or user talk page, and click on "User contributions" in the left side panel. This will take you to that user's contributions' page, and if you scroll all the way to the bottom you'll find a hyperlink called "Edit count". That basically takes you to the same page referred to above by Blaze the Wolf. -- Marchjuly (talk) 02:10, 17 September 2021 (UTC)
 * An alternative method, is to go to your Preferences/Gadgets at Special:Preferences and activate the tool called Navigation popups. When activated, that allows you to hover over usernames in threads like this one and immediately reveals the information you want: so in your case the popup shows me you have made 645 edits since 1 November 2017. This gadget is so useful (see documentation) that IMO it should probably default to being "on" for any autoconfirmed user — although perhaps it is too daunting for newbies. Mike Turnbull (talk) 09:09, 17 September 2021 (UTC)


 * Hi, I have only made 645 edits since joining as I was blocked by for disruptive edits. I was very young (to be editing Wikipedia) and I think the block was deserved, however not for almost 4 years. The admins could have made exceptions :/
 * Anyway, thanks for this tool, I will look into it later. Speedcuber1  talk 10:14, 17 September 2021 (UTC)
 * I suppose this is unrelated to the Teahouse request, but it's obnoxious to ping me just so I can see you misrepresent what happened. You're leaving out all the socking you did in those 4 years, and the consensus of others that the block was correct.  If you're going to lie about this, probably better not to ping me so I don't see it, eh? Or maybe don't bring it up at all since it is unrelated to what MDT was telling you? --Floquenbeam (talk) 15:16, 17 September 2021 (UTC).
 * I socked from 2017 to 2019, so 2 years at max. Not 4. Speedcuber1  talk 17:51, 17 September 2021 (UTC)

My edit to a Table Template isn't populating on the main article page
I'm only an occasional contributor and usually stick to adding data to tables or fixing errors. The tables I've edited in the past simply have the table contained in the body of the main article, like in: List_of_Asus_routers. To edit them, you simply edit the page or the section and then add to or make changes to the table directly.

Today I am trying to make an edit to the table at List_of_AMD_accelerated_processing_units. I already figured out that trying to edit the article doesn't let you edit the table. It just has:, which I assume is a reference to the actual table data. Through some poking around, I figured out that you can seemingly edit the table by clicking on the "E" in the V T E that appears next to the table. I say seemingly, because I edited the table (I made a change to the column "PCIe Lanes") there and published my results -- which are visible if you view the template Template:AMD_Ryzen_5000_desktop_APUs. My change shows up in the change history for the table, but when I go back to view the main article, it still shows the previous version of the table.

Will the changes propagate on their own after some amount of time or is there something that I'm missing?

Thanks! Bwachman (talk) 18:10, 17 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Without looking into, the issue is probably due to the fact that Wikipedia pages are cached. Null editing the page will probably fix it. &#8213; Qwerfjkl  talk  18:20, 17 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Hi Bwachman, welcome to the Teahouse. The changes propagate on their own, usually quickly. A purge also makes it happen right away. I see the changes in the article. Try to bypass your cache if you still don't see it. Code of form  or   generally means that Template:X is transcluded. Many templates don't make an "E" link for editing. PrimeHunter (talk) 18:23, 17 September 2021 (UTC)

Bonnie Raitt discography
I have a Bonnie Raitt cd which is not listed,how can I add it to existing list Williet2 (talk) 18:21, 17 September 2021 (UTC)

Williet2 (talk) 18:22, 17 September 2021 (UTC)


 * @Williet2 These links may be of help: WP:TUTORIAL, WP:ADVENTURE. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 18:32, 17 September 2021 (UTC)

Before I revert a page for the first time.
Hi,

I would like to make my first edit to Wikipedia, but since it involves reverting a page and removing someone else's work I figured it would be good to stop in here first.

The page is https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eavor_Technologies, and I have a problem with the section titled "Criticism". My reasoning for the reverting the page to remove this section is explained on the talk page, but basically it is content that doesn't meet the Wikipedia standards.

Is there anything else I should do before reverting the page?

Thanks! Peter Tait (talk) 17:37, 17 September 2021 (UTC)


 * @CustEng Welcome to the Teahouse! I haven't checked the refs, but assuming, as you say, they are not about the company I say go ahead. Noone has replied to your talkpage comment in several days, so you have done what you could to get input. If you are reverted, WP:BRD has guidance on that. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 18:38, 17 September 2021 (UTC)

"Recent deaths" and "Ongoing stories" sections on front page?
Were those sections removed? JDspeeder1 (talk) 04:41, 17 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Hi JDspeeder1. Those sections are on Main Page right now and haven't been omitted recently. PrimeHunter (talk) 04:55, 17 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Strange, I see them now. Were they recently moved? --JDspeeder1 (talk) 05:18, 17 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Nope, it hasn't been removed at any point (at least since 01:00 UTC, 16 September 2021). Maybe there was a bug on your side? Tube·of·Light 05:33, 17 September 2021 (UTC)
 * It very well could have been a bug, but that's not quite what I asked. I asked if they had been moved, not REmoved.  I have a vague memory of them being in a different location on the page.  --JDspeeder1 (talk) 06:00, 17 September 2021 (UTC)
 * They have always been at the bottom of "In the news". The page history is at Template:In the news. PrimeHunter (talk) 12:26, 17 September 2021 (UTC)
 * In that case, it was either a bug on my end, or else I just had a senior moment. Oh well.  --JDspeeder1 (talk) 20:15, 17 September 2021 (UTC)

Florida Gulf Coast University
Hi. I have removed some soft content on the article, and I found this link to an oldid: https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Florida_Gulf_Coast_University&diff=prev&oldid=1044868173 in section Rankings because they seemed mainly advertising. See WP:SPAM. –Diegopeter2013 (he/him • talk • contribs • email) 13:53, 17 September 2021 (UTC)


 * @Diegopeter2013 welcome to the Teahouse! I see your edit was subsequently reverted as good faith editing by with an explanatory edit summary to justify reinstatement. I think reversion was probably right, especially as you had removed the entire source from the article, rendering what remained of that paragraph as unsupported by any citation!
 * I also note the source link has been updated, and that new position rankings need to be added, and the 'access date' of the source also updated. Perhaps you (or The Grid) could address this? If, after any reversion, you still feel justified in making an edit, that is the time to take to the article talk page to gain input and consensus from other editors. Regards, Nick Moyes (talk) 14:39, 17 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Looks like that can be skipped. – The Grid  ( talk )  16:01, 17 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Ha ha! Yes, user blocked for sockpuppetry. Nick Moyes (talk) 21:02, 17 September 2021 (UTC)

Trying to figure out "blockquote"
I am writing an article on children's author David Cory (writing it offline), but because I wanted to use a "blockquote" I copied the beginning of the article into my sandbox here: User:Karenthewriter/sandbox to see if things were working properly. The quote is indented, but then everything that comes after the blockquote is indented even more, including references. Another problem is that the reference for the blockquote appears as just a blank reference 4.

I tried to do some research on "blockquote" but couldn't find what I was doing wrong. Can anyone advice me what to do to get the rest of the article to stop indenting? I considered just adding a ":" before the quote to indent it, but I'd like to learn how to do a proper blockquote. Any assistance will be appreciated. Karenthewriter (talk) 17:04, 17 September 2021 (UTC)
 * The text of the quote is preceded by, but after it you need   and you forgot the slant character.  - David Biddulph (talk) 17:12, 17 September 2021 (UTC)

David Biddulph (talk) thank you so much for telling me about the slant character I left out. That fixes the indenting problem, but I still see that the reference at the end of the blockquote isn't showing within the references shown. Is there a special way to reference what I want indented? Karenthewriter (talk) 17:43, 17 September 2021 (UTC)
 * If you're talking about the error showing for ref 4, you've tried to invoke the ref named Cory without having defined it. There is a wikilink in the error message which takes you to the relevant help page.  --David Biddulph (talk) 17:49, 17 September 2021 (UTC)
 * David Biddulph (talk) thank you once again for your expertise. I feel like such a nitwit, because the Cory reference was defined, but the quotation marks around Cory were wrong. When I cut and paste from my personally-written offline documents to Wikipedia, my quotation marks often get corrupted, and I should have known enough to check them as a possible problem solution. At least my mistakes keep me humble, and I know I'm far from being an expert. Karenthewriter (talk) 22:25, 17 September 2021 (UTC)

Dyslexia
I am looking for help editing a section on the Dyslexia article.

I have an acquaintance who is a PhD and Emeritus from Michigan State University that is not tech savvy (92 years old) and wants to publish his edits to the History section of the article but I cannot seem to edit the article on his behalf.

Any insight? Visage1995 (talk) 13:37, 16 September 2021 (UTC)


 * I added a separate heading to this question to avoid further confusion. Wikignome Wintergreen talk 15:07, 16 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Dyslexia or History of dyslexia research? There is no evidence in Contributions that you have edited either. David notMD (talk) 15:22, 16 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Please make sure that the edits your acquaintance is wanting to make to the history section are reliably sourced, otherwise when you do make the edit it will be reverted. Blaze The Wolf &#124; Proud Furry &#124; Discord: Blaze Wolf#0001 (talk) 15:51, 16 September 2021 (UTC)
 * And if the source he wants to cite is his own work, then that would be regarded as a conflict of interest (whether he added the material himself, or you did so on his behalf). That doesn't mean that the material may not be added, but you should use the edit request mechanism so that an uninvolved editor can decide what is appropriate to add. --ColinFine (talk) 16:14, 16 September 2021 (UTC)
 * The talk page and contributions of are apparently relevant here, perhaps a prior account of the above?  Wikignome Wintergreen talk 16:44, 16 September 2021 (UTC)
 * And User:JchPHD58, perhaps?--Quisqualis (talk) 22:49, 17 September 2021 (UTC)

Articles archived at The Free Library
Is it acceptable to link to articles archived at The Free Library where original article no longer available on relevant newspaper site? Gallus Alice (talk) 20:04, 17 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Yes as long as the publication you are citing is considered a reliable source. The Free Library may collect from unreliable sources also. ~Anachronist (talk) 21:07, 17 September 2021 (UTC)
 * For more information about reliable sources, see Reliable sources. This list can also be useful, I like using the find feature on my browser to quickly see if the source I'm interested is on this list if I'm ever uncertain about whether or not it is reliable. Clover moss  (talk) 01:53, 18 September 2021 (UTC)

Signature without a question
Themanofpurpose (talk) 19:57, 17 September 2021 (UTC) Hello.
 * Hello . Welcome to the Teahouse. Do you have a question related to editing Wikipedia? Clover moss  (talk) 01:55, 18 September 2021 (UTC)

I'm new to this place. How do I create a draft article ?
Mayfair098 (talk) 04:22, 18 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Please see WP:DRAFT, regards, Ariconte (talk) 04:31, 18 September 2021 (UTC)
 * @Mayfair098 WP:YFA can be of help. Make sure your topic meets the demands at WP:GNG, otherwise you are wasting your time. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 08:48, 18 September 2021 (UTC)

Article not found in
There’s an article I was looking for but I only found by accident, as it is not in any major search engine (my searchg found it because it’s the subject of a “Did you know” nomination) - I checked and I see that there is a New Page review process but it seems that this page has passed that. What else is required for an article to be searchable? A certain number of days on Wikipedia? 85.249.167.149 (talk) 09:38, 18 September 2021 (UTC)
 * All that is required is either a new page patroller reviews it or 90 days pass. &#8213; Qwerfjkl  talk  12:13, 18 September 2021 (UTC)
 * What's the name of the article, 85.249.167.149? Cordless Larry (talk) 12:23, 18 September 2021 (UTC)

Referencing articles
Hello there - I'm new to this so apologies if I'm asking a very obvious question. I've started writing my first articles and am keen to properly cite my sources with the academic and scholarly references. I tried looking for a wikipedia tutorial but couldn't find it. Any leads gratefully received! Many thanks, R. Rimple21 (talk) 13:09, 18 September 2021 (UTC)
 * , I see you have taken the index page Sweetman, which is intended to help readers find the article they want about someone of that name, and added unreferenced information about the surname "Sweetman". You will need to remove your additions to that index page, and may then use them to start creating what you intend to become an article about that surname. I recommend creating it as a draft, as while it cites no references it would be in danger of deletion if created directly as an article. If you like I can do the creation of a draft and the moving of content for you, and include a corrrectly-cited reference so you can see how it's done. Maproom (talk) 13:32, 18 September 2021 (UTC)

Unsourced content
When I was patrolling recent changes I came across this edit. First I thought about reverting it because there is no source provided but later I observe that the entire article doesn't have any source. Even if I revert the edit the user who made the edit could argue that the entire article doesn't have any source so why don't you delete the article itself. Thinking about this I didn't revert the edit.

My question is what should I do when someone adds such controversial or unsourced content to an article which already have no source at all or the section to which the content is added is unsourced?

In another case(see the edit made on July 2, 2020) I noticed one editor removed all unsourced content per WP:V. In other cases I've seen editors adding citation need flags to the unsourced content. Few flags are years old and still no source is added to them. So my another question is should I add citation needed flag or simply remove the content if in future I found an article without any source or a section without any source? <b style="color:DarkTurquoise; font-weight: bold; font-family:cambria">Eevee01</b>(<b style="color:#40E0D0; font-style: italic">talk</b>) 22:20, 16 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Thanks for pointing this out. First point: - I flagged the article for notability, and removed the unsourced controversies section. Someone with more experience in deletion discussions for non-notable high schools may nominate it for deletion. But unsourced controversies violate WP:UNDUE and WP:STRUCTURE. <b style="color:#7F007F">TimTempleton</b> <sup style="color:#800080">(talk)  <sup style="color:#7F007F">(cont)  22:34, 16 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Taking a look at the article in the edit, I'm not finding any sources that would establish its notability. The only thing I'm finding that might be notable about it is its solar power system, however that doesn't seem notable enough to warrant an entire article. I would suggest putting the article up for deletion with the reasoning that it's a non-notable subject. Blaze The Wolf &#124; Proud Furry &#124; Discord: Blaze Wolf#0001 (talk) 22:35, 16 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Second point: There's no hard and fast rule about removing unsourced information, but if it might be controversial and used to discredit a person, it's better to remove it. If it's not controversial but still unsourced, and seems like it might have a reasonable chance of being true, you can flag the statement with the citations needed template  <b style="color:#7F007F">TimTempleton</b> <sup style="color:#800080">(talk)  <sup style="color:#7F007F">(cont)  22:41, 16 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Plucking somewhat out of context, but: "the entire article doesn't have any source so why don't you delete the article itself?" Why not, indeed? There are only so many hours in the day (and days in one's life), but if you can spare a few minutes, try searching for sources. If "Amman Academy" is notable, I'd expect to see web sources in which its name is written in roman script. If there aren't any, well, the article has been unreferenced for years (since its outset), so send to AfD. -- Hoary (talk) 22:39, 16 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Thanks everyone for your answers. <b style="color:DarkTurquoise; font-weight: bold; font-family:cambria">Eevee01</b>(<b style="color:#40E0D0; font-style: italic">talk</b>) 14:03, 18 September 2021 (UTC)

Can I/How to cite what is written in material obtained through the Freedom of Information Act [USA]?
for my mother's entry Norma Zarky

I would like to add the fact that she was a member of the League of Women Shoppers which turns out to have been an important organization in the past that had advocated for consumers. [I enjoyed learning all this from your entry] League of Women Shoppers

This I learned from material my brother retrieved some years ago from the FBI via FOIA. So I wonder are these FBI files a citable source, and if so how would I reference it? I assume it's not something everyone can see, but presumably could be verified in some way.

Many thanks, Michael Tuningmeister (talk) 13:08, 17 September 2021 (UTC)


 * Probably not, I'm afraid, : all information must be cited to published sources, and I don't think those files can be regarded as published. But you're welcome to discuss the matter at Talk:Norma Zarky and see whether others agree with me. --ColinFine (talk) 14:15, 17 September 2021 (UTC)
 * I would concur with . Sources must be publicly available, and needing a FOIA request to obtain them means they are not available to the general public. Is there nothing else that you can cite showing her membership in the organization? 331dot (talk) 14:54, 17 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Usually, English-language Wikipedia articles do not directly cite FOIA'd documents. Instead, they cite books, academic papers, or articles from reputable newspapers that cite those documents. So, for example, Wikipedia wouldn't cite FOIA'd court documents but the ProPublica article that does. Rotideypoc41352 (talk · contribs) 15:04, 18 September 2021 (UTC)

How to write for your SAAS software.
I would like to ask how can i write about my SAAS accounting software here on Wikipedia so that it appears on google searches? Ghazni ali (talk) 12:34, 18 September 2021 (UTC)


 * @Ghazniali95 Per WP:GNG, it's very unlikely that you can/should. See also User pages. If all you want to write about is yourself, then WP is not the place. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 13:53, 18 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Otoh, per Category:As a service I could be wrong. WP:TUTORIAL and WP:YFA can be of help to you. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 13:57, 18 September 2021 (UTC)


 * I think it's a bad idea. Writing about  'your'  software is a clear case of WP:COI, and writing about it  'so that it appears on google searches'  would be an obvious WP:PROMO. --CiaPan (talk) 14:18, 18 September 2021 (UTC)
 * They could mean "the software I didn't make but am using." Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 14:21, 18 September 2021 (UTC)


 * Wikipedia has no interest in improving your online presence or boosting your Google hits, : that's called promotion, and is forbidden in Wikipedia. If at some point Wikipedia has an article about your software, the article will not belong to you, will not be controlled by you, will not be for your benefit, will not necessarily say what you want it to say, and should be based almost entirely on what people with no connection to you have chosen to publish about your software, not on what you or your associates say or want to say about it. --ColinFine (talk) 15:56, 18 September 2021 (UTC)

Notability Checking and its implications
I noticed a lot of articles get rejected based on the notability factor. I am curious to know, why would we want someone to spend time and write about a non-notable subject hoping to get it published and after x hours of work and another couple of weeks of waiting and editing, get a message saying the article has been rejected. That not only creates a negative user experience but it makes wikipedia look like it's a super complicated place where only the elite can survive. When in fact, it is not! It is just that there are rules which are enforced to maintain quality.

And also this chunk of non-notable content is out there for a month until it is rejected (which means volunteers would be spending time editing it). And finally, it comes to the review stage and someone goes through it, does some research before having to decline acceptance.

So we end up with [Initial effort from author] + [Volunteer editors effort] + [Reviewer's effort] spent on many articles which never see daylight so to speak. Shouldn't we first validate notability and reject the article even before it is written? In that case, we save time and people are happy too. Just a suggestion.

For instance, if I want to write about say Timmy Hawk and I submit the idea and get rejected, I wouldn't mind because I didn't spend any time on it. However, when the article is rejected after 8 hours of work, makes very unhappy, bitter users. I don't blame them (I'd be upset too!) and the reviewers are not to blame either. Maybe it is just a process flaw.

One might argue that a non-notable topic today might become a notable topic so let's encourage people to write articles and delete them. (So we can undo them later) but it doesn't happen that frequently. Do we have any stats around this?

I'd love to understand why things are done the way they are (maybe I'm missing something!) I'm pretty new around here so cut me some slack! :) Elenatina (talk) 18:47, 16 September 2021 (UTC)


 * This is a great question! I think the reason is that people who make the article don't usually know about the notability rule and if they do, they might not actually realize the subject of the article isn't notable. I do agree that, because of the backlog, people might not know their subject isn't notable for months and so they edit it under the assumption that it is until their article gets declined or rejected under the reasoning that it isn't notable. This is really just an issue that might not be solved for many years. The issue with validating notability before an article is written is that there are way too many possibilities of article subjects for this to be reasonable. If I missed anything please add on to my response! Blaze The Wolf &#124; Proud Furry &#124; Discord: Blaze Wolf#0001 (talk) 18:57, 16 September 2021 (UTC)
 * We do have a place where people can request an article about a topic they feel may be notable. It's at WP:RA, I have no comment on it's effectiveness. McMatter (talk)/(contrib) 19:11, 16 September 2021 (UTC)
 * , in effect, you are proposing a mandatory notability "pre check" where editors were not allowed to work on drafts until other, more powerful editors gave them the OK. How would we decide who has the power to say yes or no? Volunteer time would still be required to research the notability of a flood of proposed topics. Here is how I see it: Anyone who wants to write an encyclopedia article ought to spend some time studying Wikipedia's policies and guidelines. That's what I did before I started writing articles. I have authored over 100 new articles and not one has been deleted because I (not someone else) make sure that the topic is notable before spending a lot of time writing. <b style="color:#070">Cullen</b><sup style="color:#707">328   Let's discuss it  19:13, 16 September 2021 (UTC)

@Cullen328 You are one of the few wise ones. I am writing my first article and I did a bit of groundwork too. I am 80% sure that the subject is notable and I sure don't want to waste time on some article which is not notable. Not everyone does their homework. They are enthusiastic about a topic and jump into wikipedia to start writing and then they go beserk when their article is rejected. It is simply ignorance. Since people love to take the easy route of not doing their ground work, I am proposing notability check automation. Yes, may not be able to cover all possible scenarios and there will be exceptions. But if we can get 80% accuracy in determining something that's not notable, we're still good. So for instance, I think Timmy Hawks is notable. So I use the notability checker and realize, he might not actually be notable based on the results. I can still go ahead and create the article because I think otherwise, knowing that there's a good chance of the article being rejected. These are some ways to check notability in minutes without delving into the details. Google trends results Google News WP Refs All of this is available in the editor tools. Maybe a combination of these results and few other tools (which the people who reject drafts can help shed light on), we should be able to predict if an article will be declined. Also notability check is not uniform across the board and academia, film and different disciplines have their own way of determining notability. For instance determining notability for a researcher is significantly different from doing the same for an actor. But if we could get inputs from reviewers, we could surely do some sort of auto-check and make life better for everyone. I'm curious if there's a way of measuring rejection stats and map the trend. Month-wise articles submitted count, Month-wise rejection count due to notability. If it is not a big number, then this whole discussion is irrelevant. But if it the rejection rate around 50% then we have a problem. 10% rejection rate is still not bad, just saying.

I've taken a random article in submission - Neera Arya. And based on these three tool checks, it is not notable. Just took me 5 minutes to come to that conclusion. I could be wrong!

Elenatina (talk) 04:25, 17 September 2021 (UTC)


 * I think these are fantastic questions and they're often the subtext of angry messages I get on my talk page asking why I declined this draft and that draft, so I often answer this question even when someone hasn't asked it. Congrats on being possibly the first person I've ever seen to actually ask it.


 * Firstly, let's think about what would happen if we had no notability policy. There was a time when Wikipedia didn't. It arose at a certain point in our history where we stopped valuing all actions that grew the encyclopedia (quantity), and started being interested in some minimum threshold of quality: we need this for lots of reasons, like reputation. Having false information degrades the entire encyclopedia, because our readers will not be able to tell what is true and what is not, and we will lose respect and readership. Additionally, we'll get onto the need to keep out covert advertising on Wikipedia later. So notability is needed, and not just as a formality, but as a rigorous, strict requirement. None of our information is useful unless (at least) most of it is trustworthy.


 * Next, let's talk about how notability is determined. You have to look at all available sources. The research process is the bulk of my time on most of my created articles, and it's the most important step. So if you submit a request, "hey I wonder if Timmy Hawk is notable", I can't tell you that without being halfway to creating an article. The problem is that experienced volunteers don't have the time to do this. I've created about 125 articles in my seven years here, which took an average of maybe 6 hours each to write, and I have a list of what would amount to thousands of articles that I am passionate about and would love to create. I'm not going to be able to properly investigate hundreds of other people's suggestions.


 * So, what could we do instead? We could push that burden of work onto the person who wants an article created. Unfortunately, this necessitates them potentially spending hours on an article that will never see the light of day. Now, we could require that someone first present the references before they go ahead with the actual article writing, but in order to check that I need to read them all and that's still going to take me an hour per draft. So how about the person formats the references nicely, making sure the website names and headlines are really clearly presented, and summarises the information found in them so I can see if the coverage really is substantial. Well, that's what a draft is. That's what writing an article is. So this is a reinvention of the current draft process, and hopefully this thought process shows you the impetus behind it.


 * Additionally, there are some cases where I really don't have sympathy for people working and waiting and working and waiting only for their draft to be declined time and time again. These are the cases where people are editing in violation of our policies, which more often than not we will never discover because we have no way of knowing. These are the cases of undisclosed paid editing and covert conflict of interest editing: people who are here just to promote themselves. These people want to exploit our volunteer labour for personal gain. It violates one of our five key pillars: neutrality. Because there are many significant financial incentives for people and companies to get Wikipedia articles on themselves, we will never be able to stem the tide of people who are here for none of the right reasons. So we need a robust system to deal with this, and the draft system is the best we have. Unfortunately, a lot of people editing in good faith get caught in the crossfire, because sometimes there is simply no possible way to distinguish a conflict of interest editor from someone just interested in the topic. But we do our best.


 * However, I would say that you often can solicit experienced editors' quick judgements on whether references likely show notability before creating a draft: my talk page is open to such enquiries and I've received them in the past. Even writing drafts that never make it to articles can still be a useful practice as it is still a way to learn all of the skills you need in article writing in the future. But, very few of us ever recommend creating a new article as your first step on Wikipedia: it is like learning to drive a truck before a car.


 * Finally, I would add that our draft system is not a healthy system working as designed. It is a perennially backlogged embarrassment to our website, the result of the fact that our experienced volunteer community is stretched ten times too thin. It takes a lot of time and experience for someone to learn enough to be able to review drafts, and requires a lot of characteristics that are rarer to find than you might expect, like the ability to learn from constructive criticism and not fly off the handle when provoked. I consider our system a failure whenever there is a draft that has been unreviewed for a week or long. That makes it currently a failure. We desperately need more volunteers in all areas of Wikipedia. — Bilorv ( talk ) 20:00, 16 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Nice wall of text Bilorv. Not meaning to be rude but mind adding a TLDR? Blaze The Wolf &#124; Proud Furry &#124; Discord: Blaze Wolf#0001 (talk) 20:57, 16 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Okay, so don't read it if you don't want to. Your comment does come across as rude. — Bilorv ( talk ) 23:11, 16 September 2021 (UTC)


 * I read it. It wouldn't look like a wall o' text if you put line breaks between the paragraphs, like I'm doing at the end of this line.


 * Anyway, I was struck by something you said, and it reminded me of the way WP:DYK handles things: If you propose an article on WP:DYK, you have to review someone else's proposal (not necessarily approve or decline it, but leave a review comment about your view of its readiness). I'm not sure how a similar mechanism like would be enforced for submitted drafts. Like, your draft won't appear in the queue until you indicate what other draft you have suggested improvements on. I'm not sure if such a thing would work. It works over at DYK because those who propose articles are generally experienced. ~Anachronist (talk) 04:38, 17 September 2021 (UTC)
 * thanks for the suggestion. I've added line breaks. I'm afraid we've got almost the exact opposite situation as at DYK—people are specifically only submitting articles via drafts because they aren't experienced enough to review other people's drafts (i.e. they don't have a firm enough grasp on notability to create articles directly). We'd get rubberstamping, or even tactical UPE tag-teaming, or comments that are good faith but not actually that helpful to the recipient. — Bilorv ( talk ) 16:10, 18 September 2021 (UTC)


 * , inexperienced users who want to create articles are often advised to find sources that establish notability before they do anything else; and to give up if they can't find such sources. They rarely follow this advice. Maproom (talk) 20:49, 16 September 2021 (UTC)

@Maproom Right! So, I'm trying to see if we can make it easier to establish notability. One good thing about notability is, we accept subjects who are already recognized. Not people who we think are worthy of recognition. Notability checking can be automated if we can pin down the rules. @McMatter Thanks for telling me about WP:RA. Is it a manual check that happens when we submit subjects to the page? Elenatina (talk) 04:14, 17 September 2021 (UTC)
 * outside simple cases like for some types of plant/animal species (which we already have bots for), notability cannot be automated. It is far, far too complicated, because you need to evaluate (among many other things) how significantly the specific topic is covered in each source included in a draft. For instance, a profile on a person's company is less significant coverage of them (for a biography article) than a profile on them. An individual New York Times article may be unreliable even though the publication is generally reliable. And so on. The rules are pinned down as specifically as possible in guidelines like WP:NACTOR, but the exact threshold still varies from editor to editor and we can't pin down exact rules because there would be many millions of exceptions. — Bilorv ( talk ) 16:10, 18 September 2021 (UTC)

Layout bug
Hi,

I added a bunch of recent results to the listicle XRCO Award (fair warning - that's a porn award), and ran into the overflow oddity visible at the bottom of this screenshot, taken in Firefox 91.0.2 at fullscreen width (no idea how reproducible it is):

https://ibb.co/j501xPN

The last word of the first item in the section "Star Showcase", "Films)", appears in place of the second item instead of as the second line of the first item as it should. I checked that the character between "Angel" and "Films" is a standard whitespace. I also tried increasing and decreasing the "colwidth" parameter slightly, to no avail. I'm guessing this only happens because the other section's image reduces this section's available width. Any ideas?

- 2A02:560:4209:6900:9455:4A1B:E73E:54B9 (talk) 20:40, 16 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Courtesy FYI - I clicked on the ibb.co link and my antivirus gave me a malicious download warning. <b style="color:#7F007F">TimTempleton</b> <sup style="color:#800080">(talk) <sup style="color:#7F007F">(cont)  22:44, 16 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Yikes - I simply googled |image upload| and that was the top hit!
 * - 2A02:560:4209:6900:F1BE:D037:40CD:EA37 (talk) 10:49, 17 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Your screen probably has room for three columns and the current colwidth=23em spreads the content on three lines. That means every column gets a single line and the first item is split between the first and second column. On my screen it can be avoided with colwidth=25em which fits the first item on one line. PrimeHunter (talk) 12:40, 17 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Hm. Testing:

• one

• (colwidth 3em) • one two

• (colwidth 3em) • one two three

• (colwidth 3em) • one two three

• (colwidth 9em) • one two three four five six

• (colwidth 9em) • one two three four five six seven eight nine

• (colwidth 9em) • one two three

• one two three four five six seven eight nine

• one two three four five six seven eight nine ten eleven twelve thirteen fourteen fifteen sixteen seventeen eighteen nineteen twenty twenty-one twenty-two twenty-three twenty-four twenty-five twenty-six twenty-seven twenty-eight twenty-nine thirty

• (colwidth 30em)
 * You're right! I guess my assumption was that this layout scheme is supposed to be strictly hierarchical, allowing multiple list items in a single column but not, vice versa, a single list item across multiple columns. And I guess I assumed that based on cases like the 30em test above, where (on my screen) the total of 6 lines is divvied up as 2+4 rather than the more economical 3+3, in order not to break up one of the list items. But the 3em and 9em cases clearly demonstrate that that assumption is faulty at least as far as "strictly" is concerned. Thanks!
 * - 2A02:560:4209:6900:78C2:4454:C9E7:353A (talk) 16:34, 18 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Possible a false positive since my antivirus hasn't said anything about the site. ― <b style="background:#0d1125;color:#51aeff;padding:1q;border-radius:5q">Blaze The Wolf</b>Talk<sub title="Discord Username" style="position:relative;right:22q">Blaze Wolf#0001 13:17, 17 September 2021 (UTC)

Image from Commons isn't updating
In Commons, I uploaded a new version of the following file yesterday: https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:GHG_emissions_from_energy_by_sector_2020.svg

The following Wikipedia article references this file, but is still showing an older version of it: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sustainable_energy#Energy_system_transformation

How can I get the Wikipedia article to bring in the latest version of the image? I have already tried purging the page cache. Clayoquot (talk &#124; contribs) 16:24, 18 September 2021 (UTC)
 * It looks fine to me, so its probably an issue with your browser rather than Wikipedia, . Mike Turnbull (talk) 16:28, 18 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Looks Okay for me. Have you tried bypassing your browser cache? Victor Schmidt (talk) 16:29, 18 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Bypassing my browser cache worked. Thanks to both of you! Clayoquot (talk &#124; contribs) 16:37, 18 September 2021 (UTC)

First article structure
Hello dear friends please tell me, - How do I make my first article according to wikipedia formating - i mean for example interactive contents? - If I already put citations (they appears with a number after referring statements) should I also copy them all in a references paragraph, or is it some way it is going to be done automatically? Thank you! Evolutionary Virologist (talk) 10:21, 18 September 2021 (UTC)


 * No, Evolutionary Virologist. You do it like this:
 * Numbering and placement of the reference will be automated. -- Hoary (talk) 11:05, 18 September 2021 (UTC)
 * @Evolutionary Virologist More first article guidance at WP:YFA. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 11:52, 18 September 2021 (UTC)
 * - see HELP:REFBEGIN. Mjroots (talk) 18:56, 18 September 2021 (UTC)
 * - see HELP:REFBEGIN. Mjroots (talk) 18:56, 18 September 2021 (UTC)

On your reverted action: Abdul Ghani Baradar: Revision history
IyataYada (talk) 14:46, 18 September 2021 (UTC)

The line <<On September 15 2021, Baradar was listed on Time magazine as one of the "100 Most Influential People In 2021".>>without reference was doubly added after the line <<On September 15, Baradar was listed on the Time magazine as one of the "100 Most Influential People in 2021".[54]>> in Section 2.5 Post-release career with a reference. Therefore, the reverted action is wrong. The first line w/o reference should be deleted. --IyataYada (talk) 14:54, 18 September 2021 (UTC)
 * The best place to discuss this is at the talk page for the article. RudolfRed (talk) 17:27, 18 September 2021 (UTC)

No it's not the issue. I am simply asking why the article page "Abdul Ghani Baradar" has two same sentences.

Just before "Contents" it says:

"On September 15 2021, Baradar was listed on Time magazine as one of the "100 Most Influential People In 2021"."

The last sentense of Section 2.5 Post-release career it says:

"On September 15, Baradar was listed on the Time magazine as one of the "100 Most Influential People in 2021".[54]"

Is this not a redundancy? Or else?--IyataYada (talk) 18:01, 18 September 2021 (UTC)
 * The section before the contents listing of an article is its introduction,, and is supposed to summarise the most important aspects of the article per Manual of Style/Lead section, so it's not necessarily a redundancy. Cordless Larry (talk) 18:18, 18 September 2021 (UTC)

To, thanks. Understood. If so, I'd like to add an extended sentense or explanatory words to the second one in order to avoid odd feelings. --IyataYada (talk) 18:35, 18 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Usually, the level of detail in the introduction would be less than that in the main text, so if it's possible to expand the latter then that would be good, . Cordless Larry (talk) 18:42, 18 September 2021 (UTC)

To, thanks. By the way, this article page has a mixed date system (European:dd/mm/yy) and (American:mm/dd/yy). It's better for me to leave them for now, but I changed just one date for a minimum consistency.--IyataYada (talk) 19:03, 18 September 2021 (UTC)

Assistance with an article entry about an 18th century seafarer
Hi all, after undertaking lengthy research, I have written about a person of historical interest who, I believe. merits an entry to Wikipedia. The article I have written would not transcribe suitably as it is for a Wikipedia entry and I wouldn't feel too confident writing it up in the editorial style required of Wikipedia. My question is: do any experienced editors work alongside others to create an article and if so, could one contact me? I have all my sources and references and if any editor is keen to add an article about an 18th century seafarer with a fascinating story I'd love to hear from you to tell you more. Timfoley50 (talk) 19:17, 18 September 2021 (UTC) Timfoley50 (talk) 19:17, 18 September 2021 (UTC)


 * You don't have to write an article, you can start a draft instead, and not worry about it being deleted while it gets worked on. See WP:YFA. Start a draft and put all the material you have in there. Once it is in a draft page, any editor on Wikipedia can see it and work on it, but you'll likely have to ask here again for your draft to be noticed. The point is, it must exist first. ~Anachronist (talk) 20:17, 18 September 2021 (UTC)


 * Thank you and I shall give it my best shot before returning here. Timfoley50 (talk) 20:20, 18 September 2021 (UTC)

Has an admin ever gone rogue?
Has an admin on here ever gone rogue? If so can you give me link(s) to the discussions? Speedcuber1 talk 14:22, 18 September 2021 (UTC)
 * I haven't seen any actual rouge admins, but two days ago there was an ANI thread complaining about someone being blocked from their TP for 12 hours.  dud  hhr  Contribs 14:56, 18 September 2021 (UTC)
 * There are plenty of rouge admins, but the rogue admin is rare. ~Anachronist (talk) 20:34, 18 September 2021 (UTC)
 * this question is a bit of a drama magnet. You could be a bit more precise if you want an exact answer. There have been cases of admins' accounts being compromised. There have been cases of deleting the main page. There have been cases of admins doing things that have received much backlash, and having admin status removed involuntarily. Many people think many individual admins are consistently acting roguely without consequence. "Rogue admin" is something of a common term on Wikipedia, but it's slang without a rigorous definition. — Bilorv ( talk ) 16:14, 18 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Please could I see such instances? I won't make any drama, I just want to have a look. Also I see that you put "yo" instead of "ping" or "u" and it worked the same 😂
 * Bilorv are you saying every rogue admin has done so involuntarily due to their account being compromised, or that an admin has deliberately gone rogue? I'm just interested, not trying to cause any drama. Speedcuber1  talk 16:31, 18 September 2021 (UTC)
 * , the Essjay controversy is relevant to your question. <b style="color:#070">Cullen</b><sup style="color:#707">328  Let's discuss it  17:40, 18 September 2021 (UTC)
 * You might also be interested in Former administrators/reason, . Cordless Larry (talk) 17:58, 18 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Well, as far as the recent ANI thread referenced above by Dudhhr, I for my part went rogue deliberately. Bishonen &#124; tålk 19:20, 18 September 2021 (UTC).

My wife thinks I'm so attractive that she often calls me her "little Pogue Admin". Nick Moyes (talk) 20:53, 18 September 2021 (UTC)

"Possible BLP issue or vandalism"
Hey. Recently, I added info to the "personal life" section of Dodie (singer) (her sexuality, if that's important), and I noticed that the edits have been tagged with "possible BLP issue or vandalism". These are the edits in question: Special:diff/1043924209 & Special:diff/1044856807. I'm assuming this is some sort of automatic process and not manually added, but I don't know exactly what triggered it. Does it have something to do with the sources I used (i.e. Daily Dot and Out in Jersey)? Or the language itself (came out, bisexual)? Another concern I have: should I try to rectify these edits with this tag in mind? Thanks in advance for any possible assistance. ArcticSeeress (talk) 12:55, 17 September 2021 (UTC)


 * Hello, . The tag is indeed added by the software: I'm not sure why; my guess is that it was because you edited a paragraph ("Mental health") which was already marked as being unreferenced, but I'm not sure. Either way, the tag is a notice for people to check the edit, not necessarily a problem. Your addition was then removed by an anonymous user (85.147.220.8), who gave no reason. Under the BRD policy, anybody may remove an edit they think is unhelpful, and the next thing to do is to discuss it with them (and any other editors who are interested) on the article's talk page. In this case, editor noticed that an anonymous editor had removed material without discussing it, and restored it. Then the same editor (presumably) removed it again, still with no edit summary (that was edit warring, and they should not have done so - I have put a note on their user talk page). Then you restored it - which is also edit warring). It seems to me that your addition is satisfactorily sourced; but whether or not it belongs in the article is a matter of editorial discretion, to be determined by consensus. Your edit is currently in there - if somebody removes it again, you should certainly discuss it and gain consensus before reapplying it. The section "Mental health", on the other hand, was uncited, and I have removed it from the article as I believe it was violating the policy on BLP. --ColinFine (talk) 14:11, 17 September 2021 (UTC)


 * Thank you for the reply, ! I take it the tag itself isn't a problem in and of itself, then. I've read through the BRD article you linked, though the IP user doesn't seem very communicative on any talk pages or edit summaries; they removed the content again without reason. I'd like to assume good faith here, but they seem rather dead-set on removing that part in particular without discussion. This isn't very conductive for reaching any kind of consensus, so is it safe to assume that this is vandalism? ArcticSeeress (talk) 12:45, 18 September 2021 (UTC)
 * No,, I don't think it is safe to assume it is vandalism. The user may be convinced that the information doesn't belong there, and be removing it in good faith. They do appear to be edit warring however (the latest deletion is from a different IP address, but is likely to be the same person - that IP address has been also been warned on their user talk page). If anonymous addresses continue to edit that article disruptively, you could request that the page be semiprotected, which will stop not-logged-in editors from editing it. --ColinFine (talk) 21:11, 18 September 2021 (UTC)

Your opinion - Deletion review
Hello

Please give honestly your opinion here

Thanks Art&#38;football (talk) 18:36, 18 September 2021 (UTC)
 * It looks like the other editors are being very reasonable to offer to move your article to draft. Until they do, there's nothing non-admins can do, since they can't see the text. <b style="color:#7F007F">TimTempleton</b> <sup style="color:#800080">(talk)  <sup style="color:#7F007F">(cont)  22:33, 18 September 2021 (UTC)

Find similar pages
Good day everyone, I just have one short question is there and API or some other way to find similar (existing) wikipedia pages for given title. I want through python code to sent get request to wikipedia page, but in order to do that I have to write title of a page I'm looking for in the url, but in some cases I don't know exact url. E.g maybe by accident or because I think it is right I try to access page about Sun with lower case "sun" (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/sun) or I write World War 2 with spaces and 2 instead of II can I somehow get the information abot the right url?

Thank you in advanced. I would be very grateful if someone would help me.

Uros Pocek Uros Pocek (talk) 20:46, 17 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Well, there is the advanced search feature. There may be an API for it. It returns a list of pages that might be a match for the string searched. ~Anachronist (talk) 21:04, 17 September 2021 (UTC)


 * , there is no point looking for https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/sun or https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/heat or https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/gravity or whatever, as no Wikipedia article has a title starting with a lowercase letter. (There are apparent exceptions, such as the article iPhone, but in reality they're not exceptions: the "iPhone" article is at https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IPhone. -- Hoary (talk) 23:20, 17 September 2021 (UTC)
 * If you guess a wrong title then it will often be a redirect to the wanted article. You can test for redirects. See mw:API:Query. Example: https://en.wikipedia.org/w/api.php?action=query&titles=World%20War%202&redirects. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/sun automatically redirects to https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sun with capital S. This is also detected but called : https://en.wikipedia.org/w/api.php?action=query&titles=sun&redirects. PrimeHunter (talk) 23:14, 18 September 2021 (UTC)

The Wayback Machine
Why do I get the message saying "Sorry. This URL has been excluded from the Wayback Machine." When trying to archive certain sources such as The Spectrum. TipsyElephant (talk) 20:10, 18 September 2021 (UTC)
 * I believe that some sites don't want their material to be archived and request to be excluded, or they block the Wayback machine's archiver IP address. ~Anachronist (talk) 20:14, 18 September 2021 (UTC)
 * , try . — Alexis Jazz (talk or ping me) 00:37, 19 September 2021 (UTC)
 * so it's not that the sources which cannot be archived are unreliable as much as it is that the website does not allow their content to be archived? TipsyElephant (talk) 01:18, 19 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Yes, sites can opt out of automatic archiving like they can opt out of search engine indexing. 192.76.8.74 (talk) 01:22, 19 September 2021 (UTC)

An admin is harassing me!! I just want to edit Wikipedia without being constantly intimidated by a powerful admin. :(
Please can you ask them to stop? If I do they will block me... :( See this diff and also this diff I really don't like it, please do something about this :/ Speedcuber1 (talk) 23:13, 18 September 2021 (UTC) I haven't been disruptive on the admin board, I'm only trying to help, but I just can't have them harassing me anymore. Speedcuber1 (talk) 23:15, 18 September 2021 (UTC) They also purposely made these edits to my user page. I can't see how an admin of over 5 years can do this by mistake. Please ask them to stay away from me! :// Speedcuber1 (talk) 23:20, 18 September 2021 (UTC)
 * I don't see any harassment.  has indicated that they will be willing to discuss more with you tomorrow, so just be patient, and consider taking a break.  RudolfRed (talk) 23:24, 18 September 2021 (UTC)
 * It is clear from the message on your talk page that the user page edits were not done intentionally but instead due to some error due to editing via phone. RudolfRed (talk) 23:26, 18 September 2021 (UTC)
 * This is the second admin (in three days) that Speedcuber1 has incorrectly accused of harassment . Meters (talk) 23:44, 18 September 2021 (UTC)
 * I just feel intimidated at the moment as they have a lot of power on here. Speedcuber1 (talk) 23:51, 18 September 2021 (UTC)
 * You not liking a comment by an admin does not make it harassment. I suggest you read WP:NPA and stop throwing that term around. Meters (talk) 00:17, 19 September 2021 (UTC)
 * What a massive time suck this user has been. See []. The user was blocked, created socks to avoid them and then used one to insult the blocking admin's wife. Why he's not indeffed for good is baffling to me. <b style="color:#7F007F">TimTempleton</b> <sup style="color:#800080">(talk)  <sup style="color:#7F007F">(cont)  00:56, 19 September 2021 (UTC)
 * I was young and immature. I grown up and sincerely apologised to Floquenbeam in my unblock request, and he accepted my apology. Please don't bring up drama from the past, as both me and Floquenbeam, don't want to hear it. Seriously why would you bring this up? He's going to have to see this now. Please revert the edit as it's not good for any of us. Speedcuber (talk) 01:23, 19 September 2021 (UTC)
 * I'm likewise baffled. I have a feeling that this user is very young, perhaps even a minor, given all of the smileys, their repeated identity crises regarding their username, the fact that they only seem to edit in project space and talk space, silly edits like consisting of an update to their signature to make it more aesthetically pleasing to themselves, being more interested in chatting than contributing useful content to mainspace, and their impatience for resolution to this matter, when the admin who accidentally reverted their user page (something very difficult to avoid all of the time on mobile phones, the darned things just aren't built for input exactitude) has promised to discuss it with them tomorrow. They kind of remind me of when I was 12 and wanted resolution now now now because I knew I had school tomorrow or it was getting close to bedtime. I really think this user needs to come back when they're older and more mature—WP:CIR. Should we affect a Teahouse WP:BOOMERANG? Such seems extreme, but is there really any reason to believe that they're going to begin contributing more time to the project than the time they suck, when they think an accidental edit by an adult is "intimidation"? (Written after edit conflict:  is putting I was young and immature in the past tense when there's evidence in spades of immaturity here and even with the speed of human development in adolescence no reason to believe that they are not still young.) Psiĥedelisto (talk • contribs) please always ping! 01:28, 19 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Please can we close this discussion and move on? Yes, I'm still young. From now on I will take a break from the boards and focus on reverting vandalism, and putting general notes regarding any users' vandalism on their talk page using twinkle. I have done this in the past and I know how to use twinkle to a good standard. Let's move on. Speedcuber (talk) 01:37, 19 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Nothing here is remotely approaching "Harassment", unless you are able to actually provide evidence backing up your claims this is going to be treated as a personal attack. An admin pointing out that your disruptive editing is disruptive is not harassment. An admin telling you to stop using the administrative noticeboards for stupid shit like asking for tech support is not harassment. An admin telling you that your comments on the administrator's noticeboard are not helpful is not harassment. The edits to your userpage were obviously made in error and they told you this in your talk page . You should not be "hanging around" the admin boards until you have significantly more experience and are actually able to contribute to discussions there in a productive manner. You were only very recently unblocked from an indefinite block for disruptive editing and socking, stop mucking about in administrative areas where you are obviously out of your depth or you are going to find yourself blocked again. Playing the victim card here and acting like it's the administrator's fault is not going to end well. 192.76.8.74 (talk) 01:20, 19 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Please don't stir the pot. I'm only on Wikipedia for two things. To help out, and revert vandalism. Let's move on from this. Floquenbeam is just trying to help me out by telling me what to focus on within my edits. I'm glad that he's giving me guidance as I did ask for this somewhere around the time of my unblock request. Speedcuber (talk) 01:28, 19 September 2021 (UTC)
 * You've done no reversion of vandalism since the 16th and seem to be under the impression that Wikipedia is a social media site, it is not. Sometimes the best way to help the project is to leave it until you're more mature…if the time you spend helping the project is not offset by the time other editors spend dealing with your crises (of identity, of unblocking, of so called harassment) then it is an obvious fact that you are a net negative. I wish it wasn't so but that's mathematics. Time to get serious about really helping out without creating the need for other editors to notice you constantly. You'll know you're succeeding when your recent changes are all reversions of vandalized pages and no one is having to constantly tend to you. Psiĥedelisto (talk • contribs) please always ping! 01:35, 19 September 2021 (UTC)
 * You're "Glad" for their guidance? Two hours ago you were claiming that it was "Harassment" and asking for someone to "do something" about them because they accidentally used rollback on your userpage! The point is that your "Helping out" at the administrative noticeboards is not helpful - multiple admins have told you this so stop doing it. As a "New" editor you should be focusing on content creation and learning policies and guidelines - go find an article and work on it. 192.76.8.74 (talk) 01:37, 19 September 2021 (UTC)

Thanks so much to both of you for these replies, I really appreciate them, they motivate me. Speedcuber (talk) 01:41, 19 September 2021 (UTC)
 * You are quite welcome. I am pinging you to keep you abreast of the latest shenanigans of your emancipated minor. Psiĥedelisto (talk • contribs) please always ping! 01:48, 19 September 2021 (UTC)
 * You've took it too far. Your comment above is totally messed up. Speedcuber (talk) 01:54, 19 September 2021 (UTC)
 * And Speedcuber1 has now taken this to AN (twice) and . Meters (talk) 02:10, 19 September 2021 (UTC)
 * OP has retired, and then been indef'ed. Meters (talk) 03:16, 19 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Excellent. Not gravedancing, but please keep an eye out for socks. <b style="color:#7F007F">TimTempleton</b> <sup style="color:#800080">(talk) <sup style="color:#7F007F">(cont)  03:46, 19 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Yes, I have indefinitely blocked this editor so that any decision to return from retirement needs to be approved by an administrator. <b style="color:#070">Cullen</b><sup style="color:#707">328  Let's discuss it  04:01, 19 September 2021 (UTC)

move the page draft to live
how to move the page draft to live Sarwagyaguruji (talk) 06:23, 18 September 2021 (UTC)
 * I assume you're referring to Draft:Sarwagya Bhooshan. You currently have zero sources, making it unsuitable to be moved into the mainspace as a live article. Please read Wp:YFA and add in reliable sources to back up your claims. ◢ <i style="background-color:#F7E3F7; color:#960596"> Ganbaruby! </i>  (talk) 07:12, 18 September 2021 (UTC)
 * I have added a "submit for review" button to the draft, but don't bother submitting it until you have cited sources that demonstrate notability of the topic. See Golden rule to get an idea of what is required. If you submit it now, you'll just waste a reviewer's time and it would be declined. ~Anachronist (talk) 07:17, 18 September 2021 (UTC)
 * I see that the OP has ignored your advice and this morning has 3 times tried to move the draft to mainspace. The first two attempts were moved back to draft space to incubate, but the third time resulted in deletion.  Why do people come here to ask questions and then ignore the answers?  --David Biddulph (talk) 08:31, 19 September 2021 (UTC)

Would really appreciate your help setting up a merger discussion and getting the tags right.
I’m looking to set up a merger proposal for Greco-Buddhism and Gandharan Buddhism however I feel like I’ve messed up somehow. Could someone please help with the formatting. I’m looking to get the contents of Gandharan Buddhism added to Greco-Buddhism if that helps. Thank you. KashKarti (talk) 12:20, 19 September 2021 (UTC)


 * Could you link me to the discussion you've started? While I can't cast my vote on the discussion (that would be canvassing) I can help make sure you've set it up correctly. ― <b style="background:#0d1125;color:#51aeff;padding:1q;border-radius:5q">Blaze The Wolf</b>Talk<sub title="Discord Username" style="position:relative;right:22q">Blaze Wolf#0001 14:59, 19 September 2021 (UTC)


 * Thank you. I’ve started the discussion on the talk page of Greco-Buddhism.KashKarti (talk) 15:01, 19 September 2021 (UTC)
 * You did pretty good. THe only thing you forgot was the link to the article you want to be merged into Greco-Buddhism and the template on the Gandharan Buddhism article. You also forgot your signature on the talk page of Greco-Buddhism. ― <b style="background:#0d1125;color:#51aeff;padding:1q;border-radius:5q">Blaze The Wolf</b>Talk<sub title="Discord Username" style="position:relative;right:22q">Blaze Wolf#0001 15:16, 19 September 2021 (UTC)

add empty wikisource author page on Leonora Speyer?
works of Leonora Speyer on wikisource is empty. is it ok to add it on enwiki? ashtamatrikas ( talk  • contrib • actions) 06:01, 19 September 2021 (UTC)


 * I don't understand your question. If you are asking "Is it OK to add works by Speyer (works that are in the public domain) to English-language Wikipedia?", then the answer is "No it isn't, because Wikipedia is an encyclopedia, not a text repository." -- Hoary (talk) 10:12, 19 September 2021 (UTC)
 * no, i meant to add template Wikisource in last headline "External links". — ashtamatrikas  ( talk  • contrib • actions) 12:27, 19 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Aha! Yes, now I understand. Normally,, you'd be welcome to do this. You might use Template:Wikisource author. This says that Wikisource has material by the person. But as you pointed out, Wikisource doesn't have material by Speyer. The message would therefore be untrue, and the template would be unhelpful. So please don't add it. -- Hoary (talk) 12:45, 19 September 2021 (UTC)
 * yes, i was hesitant about adding empty link. hence requested an opinion here. also thank you for bringing to my attention about Template:Wikisource author (more appropriate here because she also a writer).  — ashtamatrikas  ( talk  • contrib • actions) 15:28, 19 September 2021 (UTC)

What are considered reliable sources adequate enough to create a wiki article?
Hello! I have an article about an author/playwright. All the information in the article comes from the man himself. There are no sources I can cite or give credit to. It is under my understanding that you need sources in order to publish a Wiki article. What type of sources are deemed acceptable. Is there a loophole around this holdback seeing as the information comes from the source himself? Robert Eddison (talk) 16:37, 19 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. See Wikipedia:Reliable sources for what constitutes a reliable source in general, and Reliable sources/Perennial sources for a list of sources that have been frequently discussed on wether they are reliable or not. There is no loophole around providing reliable sources, because there would no way for Wikipedia to verify what has been written, and we are not interested in a rerun of the Seigenthaler incident. Victor Schmidt (talk) 17:12, 19 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Hello, . The relevant core content policies are No original research and, as mentioned above, Verifiability. <b style="color:#070">Cullen</b><sup style="color:#707">328  Let's discuss it  17:19, 19 September 2021 (UTC)

Meaning of a sentence (Armenian genocide)
Hi, I'm contemplating a translation of Deir ez-Zor camps into fr, however there's a sentence that's very unclear to me. Could you please help me? Rephrase or explain?

When the refugees, including women and children, reached Deir ez-Zor, they cooked grass, ate dead birds, and although there was a cave near the Deir ez-Zor for prisoners to store until they starved, no "camp" seems ever to have been planned for the Armenians.

So the prisoners were to a desert and there were no supplies at all, so all they could eat was grass and dead birds, which is a sure way to cause starvation. Understood. But I don't understand the meaning of the cave to store (to store what?). The prisoners could use a cave (?) to store (store what? store their own supplies?) until they starved?

Best regards, --- Bédévore [knock knock] 17:16, 19 September 2021 (UTC) - Bédévore [knock knock] 17:16, 19 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Hello, . My best guess is that it is a typographical error and the word should be "stay" instead of "store". To be sure, you can try to obtain the the book used as a reference and find out more about this cave. <b style="color:#070">Cullen</b><sup style="color:#707">328  Let's discuss it  17:24, 19 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Hi thanks for telling me it must be a typing mistake. It was and I eventually found the original sentence, which makes sense! Best regards, - Bédévore [knock knock] 17:48, 19 September 2021 (UTC)

Creating an article
Can I please ask, how can I create an article here in Wikipedia? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Njenjesi Chulumanco (talk • contribs)
 * Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. See Your first article for guidance. However, please be aware that sucessfully creating a new article is harder than it looks. Victor Schmidt (talk) 17:15, 19 September 2021 (UTC)

@ Victor Schmidt: thanks — Preceding unsigned comment added by Njenjesi Chulumanco (talk • contribs)


 * Hello, : welcome to the Teahouse, and to Wikipedia. I'm afraid that your question (which is one we get often at this page) is a bit like "How can I build a house?" The best answer to that is "First, spend a few years learning the trade of house-building". A Wikipedia article isn't quite as big and complicated as a house, so I would say months rather than years; but experience shows that people who come here and start trying to create an article before they have learnt quite a lot about how Wikipedia works usually have a frustrating and disappointing time, I strongly suggest that you put that idea aside for a few months, while you work on improving some of our existing six million articles (most of them could be improved) and learning how the huge monster that is Wikipedia actually works. By the way, your putting a '@' before Victor's name isn't enough for him to get notified that you have replied. You need to use a template such as u or ping (I have started this reply with to notify you); and to sign your messgae with four tildes (' ~ ') to get the software to notify somebody. --ColinFine (talk) 17:59, 19 September 2021 (UTC)


 * Thanks again mam. Really helpful🙏🙏🙏. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Njenjesi Chulumanco (talk • contribs)

So I want help
As a former naughty person I want to fight graffiti but how do People do it fast and I wanna know 2601:1C2:101:3480:0:0:0:AFC4 (talk) 18:05, 19 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Thanks for wanting to help. Check out the WP:CVUA, a place to train on fighting vandalism.  RudolfRed (talk) 18:10, 19 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Hello IP! While Wikipedia doesn't really get all that much graffiti, we do get vandalism, which graffiti is a form of. Please see the above the link. ― <b style="background:#0d1125;color:#51aeff;padding:1q;border-radius:5q">Blaze The Wolf</b>Talk<sub title="Discord Username" style="position:relative;right:22q">Blaze Wolf#0001 18:12, 19 September 2021 (UTC)
 * IP address 2601... has been blocked for two weeks because all edits (all made today) have been reverted. As to how it happens fast, there are automated programs that revert obvious vandalism. 157.157.52.49 (talk) 18:39, 19 September 2021 (UTC)

Local News Coverage
Does local news coverage contribute to notability? TipsyElephant (talk) 15:41, 19 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. Notability is demonstrated by significant coverage in independent reliable sources. Local ones are not necessarily a problem in and of themselves, but depending on the subject matter local coverage, if that's all there is, might suggest a lack of notability. It's hard to say without knowing the subject at issue. 331dot (talk) 16:00, 19 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Here is an example that may be helpful. The notability guideline for politicians says that there is a strong consensus that state and provincial legislators are presumed notable. So, coverage in local news outlets of such a politician is fine to build an article. On the other hand, a run of the mill local pizza parlor may have received routine reviews in a few local news outlets. Few editors would agree that the pizzeria is notable. Context matters. <b style="color:#070">Cullen</b><sup style="color:#707">328  Let's discuss it  17:31, 19 September 2021 (UTC)
 * I'm specifically wondering about an article I had restored called Draft:Geekshow Podcast. I originally had it restored because it looked like there was plenty of news coverage of the show, but now that I've spent some time on it I've realized that pretty much every news source is local. TipsyElephant (talk) 19:33, 19 September 2021 (UTC)

My sandbox reflects the information of the userpage
Hi, I need some help with my current draft. I'm working on the draft and trying to code but the Sandbox somehow indicates that it is my userpage. Please, let me know if I'm doing anything wrong here --GarryGaller (talk) 19:59, 19 September 2021 (UTC)GarryGaller (talk) 19:58, 19 September 2021 (UTC) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:GarryGaller/sandbox
 * Your sandbox (which has your draft article) is at User:GarryGaller/sandbox and your user page is at User:GarryGaller. Can you clarify your question?  RudolfRed (talk) 20:09, 19 September 2021 (UTC)
 * . Thanks for a quick resonse. The problem is seen at the Infobox which shows my username, while I added the infobox with these parameters for John R. Stuelpnagel:

--GarryGaller (talk) 20:23, 19 September 2021 (UTC)
 * When I did "preview", the info box showed a lot of errors. I removed the extra spaces in the info box and it seems to have fixed it.  I'm not sure why. RudolfRed (talk) 20:48, 19 September 2021 (UTC)

New user question
how to delete photos i uploaded and artical i uploaded. it is my firt day Amandassassa (talk) 20:32, 19 September 2021 (UTC)
 * For the article, you can add Db-author to the page, and an administrator will delete it for you. Same for the photo, I think.  RudolfRed (talk) 20:55, 19 September 2021 (UTC)

Deletion of Redirect page for New article
What should I do in order to delete this redirect page]? I created this page by confusing this person with another well-known/notable figure [Ednan Aslan]. Now I'd like to create an article for him i.e., Adnan Aslan. Please help. Mosesheron (talk) 21:09, 19 September 2021 (UTC)
 * You can either edit that redirect page directly, and create the new article there. Or, you can create the new article as a draft and the draft reviewer will move it into place over the redirect.  RudolfRed (talk) 21:18, 19 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Thank you. Mosesheron (talk) 21:23, 19 September 2021 (UTC)

Sandbox Links
Can I list potentially useful sources in my Sandbox or is that an example of WP:LINKFARM that will lead to my sandbox being blanked or something? TipsyElephant (talk) 19:38, 19 September 2021 (UTC)
 * It's perfectly okay if the links are used in your Wikipedia editing, like a source to use later or a reference that you look up often. If the links have no relevance to Wikipedia, then it's best that you put them somewhere else. ◢ <i style="background-color:#F7E3F7; color:#960596"> Ganbaruby! </i>  (talk) 20:07, 19 September 2021 (UTC)
 * I have useful-to-me links in my user page; and I've just noticed that has recommended-to-others links in theirs. (The latter include a link to Disinfoboxes, which I hadn't previously encountered, and which I warmly recommend as well.) -- Hoary (talk) 22:22, 19 September 2021 (UTC)

Procedure for Disambig page after Merge?
I boldly merged Fish slice into Fishcake for being inadequately sourced and nothing coming up in a search. Fish slice was deemed the primary topic, and there is a Fish slice (kitchen utensil), which I think gets to have the main name? And that renders the Fish slice (disambiguation) moot, right?

Do I just made an AfD for the disambiguation page? Should the utensil page get a hatnote saying "for the dish called fish slice, see Fish cake" or is that lame because I've already deemed it non-notable? Is there a step I'm missing? I'm a bit tired and I don't quite know if there's a WP: term for this operation.

Thanks, Estheim (talk) 05:35, 19 September 2021 (UTC) Estheim (talk) 05:35, 19 September 2021 (UTC)
 * I think it was the right call to merge the two articles. To answer your question, Fish slice (kitchen utensil) should be moved to Fish slice, as it's the only subject using that exact name. The utensil page should use a hatnote, as you said. Fish slice (disambiguation) should stay as is. But actually, my American brain thinks Fish slice (kitchen utensil) should be merged into Spatula, unless there's some difference that I'm not getting. In that case, Fish slice should redirect to Spatula because that's the more common usage in English, and a hatnote with redirect should be at Spatula. ◢ <i style="background-color:#F7E3F7; color:#960596"> Ganbaruby! </i>  (talk) 07:09, 19 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Found some past discussions coming to no consensus for merge, so striking that out. ◢ <i style="background-color:#F7E3F7; color:#960596"> Ganbaruby! </i>  (talk) 07:35, 19 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Not only that but a spatula in the US is basically a tool for spreading frosting. The british Spatula is a pancake turner. ― <b style="background:#0d1125;color:#51aeff;padding:1q;border-radius:5q">Blaze The Wolf</b>Talk<sub title="Discord Username" style="position:relative;right:22q">Blaze Wolf#0001 15:18, 19 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Does the Fish slice redirect need to be deleted before the utensil page can be moved to the new name? Or is that a history merge kind of deal since it had content? (I've added the hat note to the utensil, and also cleaned up the disambig so it offers an article on the food or the utensil.) Estheim (talk) 16:13, 19 September 2021 (UTC)
 * To my understanding, WP:HISTMERGE only really applies to fixing copy-and-paste moves. Instead, Fish slice should be deleted. Here's how: make sure all salvageable information from the old article is at Fishcake (which isn't much). Explain what you did at Talk:Fishcake (similar to what you did at Talk:Fish slice) for transparency. Then, file a request at Requested moves. While I doubt someone will object, it's better to check with an admin familiar with complex moves, who will either move it for you or tell you why not. ◢ <i style="background-color:#F7E3F7; color:#960596"> Ganbaruby! </i>  (talk) 19:33, 19 September 2021 (UTC)
 * I have done so. Now it's a matter of waiting. Thanks for your help :) Estheim (talk) 01:35, 20 September 2021 (UTC)

How does WP:PLOT apply to non-plot sections?
Hello, I have familiarized myself with WP:PLOT, but it does not address character sections in articles on fiction. Some articles may have plot sections that comply with WP:PLOT, but then have huge bloated character sections where each character has a massive profile that goes into everything they do in the story. This seems highly contrary to the intent of WP:PLOT, but I've seen the argument that WP:PLOT doesn't apply to character sections, or that character sections are standard in fiction articles. Are there any guidelines on how character sections should be handled? 2404:2D00:5000:841:5C9B:A0FA:A047:3541 (talk) 01:19, 20 September 2021 (UTC)
 * You might want to read Wp:FANCRUFT. My rule of thumb is to write "as little as possible". Describe the most crucial pieces of information so that readers can understand the plot. If there's an important event in the character's arc, mention that. Ultimately, where to draw the line is done by consensus among editors, so if you're starting from scratch, go with what you think is reasonable detail and not fancruft-ey. ◢ <i style="background-color:#F7E3F7; color:#960596"> Ganbaruby! </i>  (talk) 02:08, 20 September 2021 (UTC)

Unofficial translations for non English language content
Hello, I have a question about names and terminology for non English language content. If there is an article about something which has not been officially translated to English, but there are unofficial translations, should the terminology use the original source language names or the unofficial translations? Thanks. 2404:2D00:5000:841:5C9B:A0FA:A047:3541 (talk) 01:14, 20 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Hello IP, I deal with Chinese-language subjects quite often. Look for reliable sources in English that talk about the subject, and determine which English name is most commonly used. If there are no English reliable sources, but a translation is commonly thrown around in non-reliable places (Internet forums, blog posts, etc), I'll go with that. If that doesn't exist, then I go with a transliteration. May I ask which foreign language you're dealing with? ◢ <i style="background-color:#F7E3F7; color:#960596"> Ganbaruby! </i>  (talk) 01:57, 20 September 2021 (UTC)
 * I'm thinking of Japanese pop culture fiction in this case, for which there are few truly reliable sources. Is an unofficial translation really the right choice even if it's clearly a bad one, simply because it's commonly used? The idea of Wikipedia further proliferating erroneous terminology/translations feels sketchy to me. 2404:2D00:5000:841:5C9B:A0FA:A047:3541 (talk) 02:08, 20 September 2021 (UTC)
 * I had a feeling this was something Japanese haha. I'd say that a direct romanization would be a safe option, and you can create redirects later to cover your bases. Good luck! ◢ <i style="background-color:#F7E3F7; color:#960596"> Ganbaruby! </i>  (talk) 02:17, 20 September 2021 (UTC)

Teahouse: What is Teahouse? and why is it important to me?
Ameliahampton03 (talk) 02:21, 20 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Hello, the Teahouse is a place for new editors like you to ask questions about editing Wikipedia. If you ever run into a situation on Wikipedia where you're not sure how to proceed, feel free to ask here (be specific), and experienced editors will try to help you. ◢ <i style="background-color:#F7E3F7; color:#960596"> Ganbaruby! </i>  (talk) 02:29, 20 September 2021 (UTC)

how integrate "Bibliography" on Floy Little Bartlett
there is already Bibliography headline. however Manual of Style/Layout says "avoid bibliography, confusable with reference citations". should i delete headline with citation or convert it to as an additional reference for the sentence "Doubleday published The Busy Book by Bartlett about activities that children can do to keep busy." — ashtamatrikas ( talk  • contrib • actions) 15:19, 19 September 2021 (UTC)
 * The book is published by Bartlett, right? If so, use the word "Publications" for the header instead. ◢ <i style="background-color:#F7E3F7; color:#960596"> Ganbaruby! </i>  (talk) 02:25, 20 September 2021 (UTC)
 * there is publications headline existing on article. so, dilemma. — ashtamatrikas  ( talk  • contrib • actions) 03:57, 20 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Ooh, didn't notice that. Dilema indeed. It's not that big of an issue IMO, so I'd just leave it. ◢ <i style="background-color:#F7E3F7; color:#960596"> Ganbaruby! </i>  (talk) 04:37, 20 September 2021 (UTC)

i can't edit anything
Ayansharma214sar (talk) 07:40, 20 September 2021 (UTC)


 * @Ayansharma214sar You have been partially blocked from Article space as per the notice on your talk page and also please read this discussion on WP:ANB concerning you.  — Paper9oll  (🔔 • 📝)  07:47, 20 September 2021 (UTC)

A question on WP:OTHER
Would referring to another deletion discussion in an AFD be counted under WP:OTHER? That is, if something was done in another AFD, can that AFD be cited to do the same thing in another AFD? My educated guess is No since it would depend on context. But want more opinions. Nomadicghumakkad (talk) 23:21, 19 September 2021 (UTC)
 * You're correct that you can't solely base an argument on a prior AfD result, since AfD should be done on a case by case basis. That being said, if the past discussion is relevant to the current discussion, or if someone made a good point in the past discussion that you also think applies, it's okay to point those out and help editors reach a consensus. WP:OTHER does not blanket-ban referencing other discussions if they're useful. ◢ <i style="background-color:#F7E3F7; color:#960596"> Ganbaruby! </i>  (talk) 00:13, 20 September 2021 (UTC)
 * I'd add to this that the amount of participation at the discussion is relevant. If only two or three people turned up (or even fewer, as is often happening at AFD nowadays) then it's not much evidence that the result matched normal community standards, but if it had 10 participants then that's much more compelling as an example to point to (if the cases are genuinely quite similar). — Bilorv ( talk ) 08:26, 20 September 2021 (UTC)

Review before draft posting
Hello, This is the first time I am posting an article on Wikipedia and the process is quite intimidating. I have reviewd the guidelines related to the topic of bitcoin and I think this article respects these guidelines.

Could you tell me if I can click on the "draft review" or an experienced editor has to have a look again? Thanks for the clarification. User67343322 (talk) 10:44, 20 September 2021 (UTC)
 * One of the things which you ought to do before you submit the draft for review is to remove the misplaced external links from the article text. If appropriate you could replace them by references.  - David Biddulph (talk) 10:50, 20 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. Yes, you click on the "Submit your draft for review!" button to actually submit your draft. You should be aware that you have chosen a challenging area in which to edit(bitcoin) with its own special rules; I posted more information about this on your user talk page. 331dot (talk) 10:54, 20 September 2021 (UTC)

HOW TO COMMEMORATE BY GRAND FATHER.
HOW TO COMMEMORATE BY GRAND FATHER.

Hello Teahouse I'm Edgar Allan N. Flores, grand son of Alejandro Evangelista Flores Senior. I would like to commemorate my grand father through this wikipedia. My reliable source of information is my father Alejandro Santiago Flores Junior, son of my grand father. Any tips on how to start our account.Thank youAlejandro Evangelista Flores Sr. (talk) 08:53, 20 September 2021 (UTC) Alejandro Evangelista Flores Sr. (talk) 08:53, 20 September 2021 (UTC)


 * Alejandro Evangelista Flores Sr., you have already started your account; it's "Alejandro Evangelista Flores Sr." Wikipedia articles are based on reliable, published sources that are independent of their subjects. However reliable he may be, and even if his material is published, your proposed source is not independent of your proposed subject. And you aren't independent of your proposed subject either. Therefore please do not attempt to create a draft. If you'd like to commemorate your grandfather, please do so on some other website. -- Hoary (talk) 09:06, 20 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Please also see WP:NOTMEMORIAL, . --ColinFine (talk) 14:31, 20 September 2021 (UTC)

Rename request
Hello,

Today (Sep. 20, 2021) I created a page for my company and now the tittle of the page is my user name and not the company's name.

I placed a 'rename request' and now the status is: 'pending approval'. I would like to know when I'm going to have news about it.

Thank you very much. Ccruzloudly (talk) 11:26, 20 September 2021 (UTC)


 * I've moved it to User:Ccruzloudly/sandbox. It says that the company "offers music solutions of many types". What is a "music solution"? That aside, if you are an employee, then the company is paying you money for what you do, and part of this is writing a draft, so it's a paid contribution. Please read Paid-contribution disclosure very carefully, and do what it tells you to do. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Hoary (talk • contribs) 11:55, 20 September 2021 (UTC)


 * Please be aware,, that if you succeed in getting your draft accepted as an article, the article will not belong to your company, it will not be under control of you or your company, it may end up saying things you don't want it to say, and it should be based almost 100% on what people unconnected with the company have published about it, not on what the company says or wants to say. At present, the only one of the references that even might be independent is the DJTechTools one, and that does not really have significant coverage of the company. --ColinFine (talk) 14:39, 20 September 2021 (UTC)

Maps without citations, original research?
What is the policy on wikipedia when it comes to maps that are non-cited.

From my understanding, maps are acceptable when they have a source. This can include an interpretation of a textual description, which would not be original research. It could also be an original conversion or "translation" from a historical map or a map that has citations from a book, to a more legible digital form. This is particularly useful when the image being conveyed is more focused on general labels.

But in all those cases, you still need some sort of source or citation. But some maps have none. Now perhaps they are based off of data. But without the data being cited, how can we know?

And the way maps are depicted, particularly of historical areas, can be very misleading. Particularly when it comes to borders (which is why I appreciate when older maps of cultures have a blur effect on the edge rather than a solid line). This can further bias the difference between areas when one is depicted in their article as having a blurry border, while a comparable group in another article is depicted with a solid border, even though, during that era, borders were effectively just as malleable.

As two examples of maps I'm having issues with: https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Ancient_Egypt_and_Mesopotamia_c._1450_BC.png This map has no citations. On one page, it has a description, but it does not say whether or not the map is based off that description nor where that description came from, and that information is not located on the page for the image itself.

https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Black_Drink_map_HRoe_2008.jpg That image has multiple issues, notably the writing within the image, but the primary issue I have with it is the lack of any source. Theres no way to know where the information from this image came from. And there is a LOT of elements within that image.

The problem is... if these maps are acceptable without citations, it can gravely distort what is being conveyed from what is actually known.

If they are not acceptable... well then wikipedia has an endemic issue with citations from my quick look at some of the other maps. As I said before, plenty of maps are fine, but tons would be unacceptable.

And, if they are not acceptable, I'm a little lost at how I should make such known. I could post about it on one of the pages that uses said image... but the issue is with the image itself and it's data. At the same time, I respect that its possible an image DOES have citations that were omitted, and it would be reasonable to give the author the ability to add that data. In the mean-time, would the image stay up? Or be taken down until sources are provided? And... how would I go about doing that when it comes to the image itself, not just the articles its used in?

Thanks! GalacticKiss (talk) 08:09, 20 September 2021 (UTC)


 * @GalacticKiss Good question, and I have no idea. You could try asking at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Maps. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 14:16, 20 September 2021 (UTC)


 * actually I'd say it's an issue for the no original research noticeboard as it's a policy violation.  Doug Weller  talk 15:11, 20 September 2021 (UTC)

Notability
I wish to write an article on a switch emulator named Ryujinx. I found articles about it on https://boilingsteam.com/ryujinx-switch-emulator-gets-the-vulkan-treatment/ https://www.thenerdmag.com/how-to-setup-ryujinx-nintendo-switch-emulator-on-windows-10-and-play-switch-games/ https://wccftech.com/ryujinx-nintendo-switch-emulator-just-got-a-massive-performance-boost/ etc...

Is my subject notable? SakuraMiyazono (talk) 13:39, 20 September 2021 (UTC)


 * Another Switch emulator.. interesting. Well if it's gotten enough coverage by reliable secondary sources then my guess would be yes, but let's wait for someone who knows whether or not the sources you found are reliable or not. ― <b style="background:#0d1125;color:#51aeff;padding:1q;border-radius:5q">Blaze The Wolf</b>Talk<sub title="Discord Username" style="position:relative;right:22q">Blaze Wolf#0001 13:41, 20 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Per aboutpages seems to be WP:BLOGS. The third one  looks a little better, but per "If you are a marketer looking for ways to connect your brand with our audience, please contact us at" one wonders how independent they are. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 14:14, 20 September 2021 (UTC)
 * What about https://www.forbes.com/sites/jasonevangelho/2018/04/19/2-nintendo-switch-emulators-are-operational-and-running-gameplay/?sh=d7c24cf1ef2f?SakuraMiyazono (talk) 14:21, 20 September 2021 (UTC)
 * @SakuraMiyazono Please read WP:NSOFTWARE.  — Paper9oll  (🔔 • 📝)  14:26, 20 September 2021 (UTC)
 * @SakuraMiyazono, I swear I didn't make up this one to mess with you: WP:FORBESCON. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 14:32, 20 September 2021 (UTC)
 * @User:Gråbergs Gråa Sång Thanks for your help. I was making sure whether the subject for my article is notable.- SakuraMiyazono (talk) 14:34, 20 September 2021 (UTC)
 * When I looked at that it actually confused me because I had been told that Forbes is reliable, but then I saw that really only the staff written articles on Forbes are reliable. ― <b style="background:#0d1125;color:#51aeff;padding:1q;border-radius:5q">Blaze The Wolf</b>Talk<sub title="Discord Username" style="position:relative;right:22q">Blaze Wolf#0001 14:50, 20 September 2021 (UTC)
 * @Blaze The Wolf Yeah, there are a few RSP entries that are "split." Some newspapers have "blog" sections too. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 15:12, 20 September 2021 (UTC)

Thanks everyone. - SakuraMiyazono (talk) 14:31, 20 September 2021 (UTC)

Support for editing and resubmiting an article
Hello Team, My name is Arun and I recently opened a Wikipedia account in the name of Username: vishuddhalive, My first article was about an actor in my home town Kozhikode Kerala, India. As this was my first article I had a few difficulties in adding reference links, external links and adding images to my article and a few technical editing tools. My first article is about a known friend in my home town who has acted in several movies in Indian Malayalam language cinemas and is getting popular in each work he is doing. I have read the guidelines and rules of Wikipedia and drafted this article to the best of my knowledge with all the relevant sources from online and content created by myself. But unfortunately, I could not meet the guidelines and it did not get approval for submission. Kindly note the link to my sandbox:https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User:Vishuddhalive/sandbox&redirect=no and let me know how to go about this further. I'm looking forward to contributing to Wikipedia and would like to become a reliable editor of Wikipedia. Kindle revert what to do next. Thank you Arun Vishuddhalive (talk) 11:01, 20 September 2021 (UTC)


 * Well, Vishuddhalive, let's consider the section "Early Life" as an example. It cites no sources. Where did you find this material? In particular, what's your evidence for saying that "the founder of AP Balakrishna Pillai Jewellers" was "one of the trusted names in the gold and gold jewellery business in Kozhikode", and (even if you have evidence), why do you say it? -- Hoary (talk) 12:10, 20 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Welcome to the Teahouse! If you haven't done so already, please review the Plain and simple conflict of interest guide.  GoingBatty (talk) 15:36, 20 September 2021 (UTC)

Using AfC and Teahouse
If I were to get access to the tools used to accept or reject AfCs would it still be appropriate to submit my own drafts through AfC? Similarly, if I were to consider becoming someone who answers questions here at the Teahouse would it still be appropriate for me to ask questions here? TipsyElephant (talk) 18:34, 20 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Yes, that's fine. I use the reviewer tools and I have also submitted a draft via AFC. There is no conflict. ~Anachronist (talk) 18:40, 20 September 2021 (UTC)
 * While I can't answer your first question, the answer to your second question is most definitely yes. Even experienced editors who are Teahouse hosts need to ask questions here occasionally. For example, most recently asked a question here on something they weren't sure about. I myself, while not a Teahouse host (though I may have enough experience at this point to become one) ask questions here because this place is more friendly and less... well, formal compared to the Help Desk (I'm sure the Help Desk is plenty friendly, however there's a certain... vibe I get from the teahouse that makes me feel better about asking questions, for lack of better words). ― <b style="background:#0d1125;color:#51aeff;padding:1q;border-radius:5q">Blaze The Wolf</b>Talk<sub title="Discord Username" style="position:relative;right:22q">Blaze Wolf#0001 18:41, 20 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Using AFC is always optional, . If you think you can create a satisfactory article in one go, you can create it directly in article space. If you create a draft, develop it, and then decide that it is acceptable as an article, you can move it to article space without sending it for review: it's your choice. If you are regularly reviewing drafts, then you can probably judge for yourself whether your article is ready for mainspace, but you always have the option of submitting it for review.
 * As for the Teahouse: it's supposed to be a place for beginners, so if you are answering questions here, there's a case to say that any questins you still need to ask should go to the help desk rather than here; but nobody's likely to get upset if you post a question here. --ColinFine (talk) 18:42, 20 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Interesting point . I agree to a large extent, but I've seen plenty of veterans use TEA to answer questions around archiving user pages, etc. Bkissin (talk) 18:46, 20 September 2021 (UTC)
 * The Teahouse and Help Desk have different purposes. And I ask, and answer, questions on both. These venues exist to help anyone, even an administrator with a questions. ~Anachronist (talk) 18:44, 20 September 2021 (UTC)
 * I never really said I felt that the Teahouse and Help Desk have the same purpose. I simply just said that you can ask questions and answer questions here and that I prefer the Teahouse for asking question because.. well I"m not exactly sure how to describe it in a way that would make sense, other than the Teahouse's "vibe" feels less threatening than Help Desk. ― <b style="background:#0d1125;color:#51aeff;padding:1q;border-radius:5q">Blaze The Wolf</b>Talk<sub title="Discord Username" style="position:relative;right:22q">Blaze Wolf#0001 18:47, 20 September 2021 (UTC)
 * , as for your other question: It's completely fine to both ask and answer questions here at Teahouse. The one thing I would advise, however, is to chime in when you are sure about the answer to someone's question. We don't want to be providing people with information that may be inaccurate. Bkissin (talk) 18:46, 20 September 2021 (UTC)

Richard Lynn article
I've tried editing an article 'Richard Lynn' and another editor keeps changing it right back without discussion. The article's a dog's breakfast, as I've said at the Page Talk. The lede is dozens of lines long. The page is about a 91 year old scientist who is obviously a scientific racist and is still working. That's virtually all that's in the huge article, however. But there's no doubt that much of his work is still orthodoxy today. It should be perfectly possible to have a WP article which describes both in an appropriate way. The lede is absurd and the unusable negative POV of the whole thing has the effect of shading the legitimate criticisms of the man. If any experienced editor or admin could take a look I'd very much appreciate any thoughts. SteveCree2 (talk) 15:03, 20 September 2021 (UTC)


 * The other user has explained their reverts perfectly well, you are going against an established consensus. ― <b style="background:#0d1125;color:#51aeff;padding:1q;border-radius:5q">Blaze The Wolf</b>Talk<sub title="Discord Username" style="position:relative;right:22q">Blaze Wolf#0001 15:06, 20 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Pinging so you can explain your reasoning a little better to this user. ― <b style="background:#0d1125;color:#51aeff;padding:1q;border-radius:5q">Blaze The Wolf</b>Talk<sub title="Discord Username" style="position:relative;right:22q">Blaze Wolf#0001 15:07, 20 September 2021 (UTC)

Thanks @blazethewolf. If the established consensus is that the lede should be dozens of lines long and that the article as a whole should be incoherent and inaccurate then I'll leave it alone. The established consensus appears to be a matter of politics and I really couldn't be less interested. SteveCree2 (talk) 15:10, 20 September 2021 (UTC)
 * I'd phrase the consensus differently. For such a contentious topic as eugenics, there's a balance required between whitewashing over the topic, and respecting WP:BLP. And frequently (including here), that balance is found by making mention of their non-mainstream (aka fringe) position in the lede (being first mentioned in section 8 of the article is seen as whitewashing, a position I strongly agree with), and often the detail required to explain the notable allegations while respecting WP:BLP ends up increasing the word count.
 * There might be a lighter touch that could be applied to the lede if your primary concern is length (and not that his eugenic views aren't notable). The issue seems to be that you removed all references to eugenics in the lede, rather than condensing them from ~15 sentences to ~2 sentences in the lede. If you don't want to engage in the topic because you consider it political, then that might just mean it's not the article you want to work on. Bakkster Man (talk) 15:33, 20 September 2021 (UTC)

Thanks @bakksterman That Lynn is a eugenicist and racist is beyond any reasonable question or doubt. There - that's a single sentence; not 15. The rest don't belong in the lede and should be in the main body. I didn't 'condense' any of those 15 sentences, as I said at the Page Talk I put them unedited into the main body where they were more appropriate. It's not simply a matter of length, either, it's a matter of coherence. It's political, all right. But a little more subtly than readers might think. It includes a defence of the psychology establishment by not permitting any recognition that aspects of Lynn's work remains orthodox within it. It's vested interest lobbying 101. Anyhoo, nice to chat and cheerio for now. SteveCree2 (talk) 15:51, 20 September 2021 (UTC)
 * in that case, my suggestion for the future (or in your remaining discussions on this article) is that when you move such a substantial topic out of the lede, you should also leave behind a summary of the topic in the lede. If you continue, I've found it beneficial to suggest such a paraphrase as part of the discussion. "This is bad" is less likely to be successful that "here's how we can improve this". Hope that helps. Bakkster Man (talk) 16:47, 20 September 2021 (UTC)

Thanks @bakksterman Very helpful advice. I'll keep that in mind. SteveCree2 (talk) 17:05, 20 September 2021 (UTC)


 * , when I see that a statement is cited to seven or more sources, as in the Lynn article, I suspect that something fishy is going on. In this case I have no idea on what, and no urge to find out. Maproom (talk) 17:14, 20 September 2021 (UTC)

'When I see that a statement is cited..... no urge to find out'. That is the power of lobbing. But I say that with respect. Thanks @maproom — Preceding unsigned comment added by SteveCree2 (talk • contribs) 19:52, 20 September 2021 (UTC)

Changing name of a page: Cellink
CELLINK recently went through a corporate transformation where their name was changed to BICO. I would like to change the name of the page to BICO, could you advise me on how this can be achieved? Aviminocha (talk) 20:44, 20 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. You may request a page move at Requested Moves. If you work for the company, you must make a formal declaration, please see the paid editing policy. 331dot (talk) 20:47, 20 September 2021 (UTC)

Draft:Andrea Unger - Submission declined on 20 September 2021
Hello Teahouse, I received a page rejection and I want to explore how can I improve the page. Because I think that the person I mentioned is really notable (just to win 4 times the official Worldcup Trading Championship). Other people who won this competition (once) has been already in wikipedia (e.g. Larry Williams). What kind of resources can I use? May helps that this person is already in wikipedia with another language? Thanks in advance for your time and your suggestions. Angio92 Draft:Andrea_Unger Angio92 (talk) 15:41, 20 September 2021 (UTC)


 * WP:OTHERSTUFF doesn't count. BTW, your draft has been declined, not rejected. --CiaPan (talk) 15:55, 20 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Other language does not count for confirming notability. However, other language references can be used. 157.157.52.49 (talk) 16:23, 20 September 2021 (UTC)


 * Hello,, and welcome to the Teahouse. In general, for determining notability in the special Wikipedia sense, it doesn't help to look at what the person has done: what matters is how much has been (independently) written about them. It is perfectly possible for two people to have done pretty much the same things, but one has been written about at length and the other not: because Wikipedia is based on independent published sources, an article could be written about the first, but not about the secod. --ColinFine (talk) 16:49, 20 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Correcting misping: . --ColinFine (talk) 16:50, 20 September 2021 (UTC)
 * so, basically I think it's a good idea to add some articles (as resources) written by [] and [] that are the most important financial newspapers in Italy. 20:17, 20 September 2021 (UTC)


 * The Wikipedia article titled Larry Williams is about an American rhythm and blues and rock and roll singer. Maybe some of the references at Larry R. Williams would be helpful with your draft.  Happy editing!  GoingBatty (talk) 17:57, 20 September 2021 (UTC)
 * There are two approaches I would take. First, you need to establish that the competition he won is notable.  Right now, there's no Wikipedia article about it. If it had an article, you'd have a better chance convincing others that winning is a big deal. Secondly, you might look for coverage of his books. If they've been reviewed in the mainstream press, in English or Italian, that would help your case. <b style="color:#7F007F">TimTempleton</b> <sup style="color:#800080">(talk)  <sup style="color:#7F007F">(cont)  18:52, 20 September 2021 (UTC)
 * thanks for your suggestion! into these two Wiki's pages the competition is mentioned: Larry_R._Williams | Michelle_Williams_(actress) 20:11, 20 September 2021 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Angio92 (talk • contribs)
 * Yes, but notability supported by other referenced accomplishments. 157.157.52.49 (talk) 22:03, 20 September 2021 (UTC)

Review times changing
Hi, I have created a draftand noticed that the waiting review time is changing according to the number of submissions.I have also noticed that drafts are not reviewed in a specific order. Are new article reviewed according to when the draft was submitted or it doesn't make a difference ? Thanks--Saraino (talk) 15:18, 20 September 2021 (UTC) Saraino (talk) 15:18, 20 September 2021 (UTC)
 * @Saraino: Welcome to the Teahouse. It's a backlog, so there isn't any order as to when drafts are reviewed. — Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 15:21, 20 September 2021 (UTC)
 * @Saraino from what I've read reviewers choose drafts on subjects they are interested in and knowledgable about. For example, a reviewer may be interested in science, but may know nothing about several other subjects, so will look for science-themed drafts. Reviewers are all volunteers, so its best to be patient, and wait for a volunteer with an interest in the subject you are writing about, instead of wanting drafts to be reviewed by the next available person, who may not have any understanding of the topic he or she has to review. Karenthewriter (talk) 23:19, 20 September 2021 (UTC)

Template: Pin Messages
hello i have a question about Archiving Suppressor Template


 * we have two of them and  i wonder if they work differently? or what's their main differences technically? Thanks —— 🌸 Sakura emad 💖 (talk) 10:56, 19 September 2021 (UTC)


 * ( anybody knows about it? —— 🌸 Sakura emad 💖 (talk) 12:53, 20 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Hi Sakura emad. The documentation at Template:Pin message and Template:Pin section explains that the latter uses the former, and you should use the latter with . This uses substitution to both place the former template and add the actual instruction to the archiving bot. Template:Pin message is only for human readers. PrimeHunter (talk) 13:45, 20 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Thank you very much —— 🌸 Sakura emad 💖 (talk) 23:29, 20 September 2021 (UTC)

kelvite sounding machine
The workings of the kelvite sounding machine(sea depth below a ship). https://sgmuseum.gs/wp-content/uploads/2021/09/The-Illustrated-London-News-17-sept-2021_2000px.jpg Used by Sir Ernest Shackleton and his last expedition. https://sgmuseum.gs/the-ship/

It is facinating to read how it works and I would consider very important naval device. It would be wonderful for somone to write an entry on this.

http://www.gorchfock.net/db/db-03/kelvin.html http://www.godfreydykes.info/KELVITE%20SOUNDING%20MACHINE%20-%20PART%201.pdf

Also an entry in the Royal Museum of Greenwich of how it was to be used.

https://www.rmg.co.uk/collections/objects/rmgc-object-42898 Mr justmehere (talk) 22:13, 20 September 2021 (UTC)


 * Mr justmehere, after you've practised improving existing articles, this could be the first article that you start. -- Hoary (talk) 23:03, 20 September 2021 (UTC)


 * I am not sure if there's enough reliable source coverage for a stand-alone article. The device is mentioned in the article on Kelvin Hughes (which needs a lot of work), so maybe more information can be added there. ~Anachronist (talk) 23:58, 20 September 2021 (UTC)

show that the subject qualifies for a Wikipedia article
Years ago I contributed some under an account User:LegCircus that I have lost access to. I have since forgotten how to navigate issues of proving relevance and objectivity. Maybe I never really learned how to do this well.

I would like some hand holding regarding this page. '''How do I get this draft into publish worthy form? Draft:Publication_history_of_Whole_Earth_Catalog'''

This page is a list/inventory of issues, and as such there are numerous examples of similar pages. The table presented on the page above could be included in this page perhaps - Whole_Earth_Catalog - but I feel like it was proper to have them be separate pages.

Thanks for all you do Jerimee (talk) 23:00, 19 September 2021 (UTC)
 * I think this falls under WP:NOTINDISCRIMINATE and shouldn't be on Wikipedia at all. Wikipedia's purpose is not to include every single piece of information on the planet, but rather, summarize select encyclopedic information. You say that there are numerous examples of similar pages, but I don't ever recall a list of every issue of a magazine (except from comics), and also, WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS. ◢ <i style="background-color:#F7E3F7; color:#960596"> Ganbaruby! </i>  (talk) 02:14, 20 September 2021 (UTC)


 * Thanks for your reply . Here is what OTHERSTUFFEX says "The nature of Wikipedia means that you cannot make a convincing argument based solely on whether other articles do or do not exist, because there is nothing stopping anyone from creating any article. (This may be an argument that this article is not bad enough to be speedily deleted; but that does not mean it should be kept.) While these comparisons are not a conclusive test, they may form part of a cogent argument; an entire comment should not be dismissed because it includes a comparative statement like this. While comparing with other articles is not, in general, a convincing argument, comparing with articles that have been through some kind of quality review such as Featured article, Good article, or have achieved a WikiProject A class rating, make a much more credible case." So, I'll provide examples, despite them not being sufficient.

Here is that list numerous examples of similar pages:


 * https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Coronet_Films
 * https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Studio_D
 * https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Mystery_Science_Theater_3000_episodes
 * MAG: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Lists_of_magazine_issues
 * MAG: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_people_in_Playboy_1960%E2%80%931969
 * https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Encyclop%C3%A6dia_Britannica_Films_titles

With regard to WP:NOTINDISCRIMINATE the first principle seems to apply to creative works, WEC is not that. The other three principles do not apply.

As for a positive argument...

WEC is arguably a precursor of the internet itself, and the predecessor of the The_WELL. It influenced/inspired Wired_(magazine) and a host of other projects. Steve Jobs compared The Whole Earth Catalog to Internet search engine Google in his June 2005 Stanford University commencement speech.

Of course, I'm looking for help getting the thing published. What labors need to be accomplished for that to happen?

--Jerimee (talk) 18:08, 20 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Welcome to the Teahouse! It might be helpful if you could provide independent reliable sources that discuss individual issues.  Happy editing!  GoingBatty (talk) 18:30, 20 September 2021 (UTC)
 * ? --Jerimee (talk) 20:11, 20 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Ah! Now I get it: "provide independent reliable sources that discuss individual issues of whole earth catalog - sorry I didn't get it at first - okay that's helpful thanks --Jerimee (talk) 00:03, 21 September 2021 (UTC)

New editor says "Hi!"
Hi! Mohammed12313893 (talk) 21:59, 20 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Hello! Did you have a question or did you just want to say hi? ― <b style="background:#0d1125;color:#51aeff;padding:1q;border-radius:5q">Blaze The Wolf</b>Talk<sub title="Discord Username" style="position:relative;right:22q">Blaze Wolf#0001 02:23, 21 September 2021 (UTC)

Question
Question Bakbak13 (talk) 01:19, 21 September 2021 (UTC) What is the informational box on the right of article called and how do I create one?
 * Welcome to the Teahouse! The informational box is called an infobox.  You can create an infobox by adding the appropriate template to an article (usually at the top).  For example, Pittsburgh Quarterly uses Infobox magazine, The Sopranos uses Infobox television, Paul Rudd uses Infobox person, and The Wallflower (manga) uses a series of Infobox animanga templates.  Each template has documentation to show you how to fill out the appropriate parameters to display the relevant information.  Hope this helps, and happy editing!  GoingBatty (talk) 03:08, 21 September 2021 (UTC)

Reference transcluded in multiple places
Hi all, I'm fixing some broken references across Wikipedia and I noticed this one on Bahrain_at_the_2020_Summer_Olympics. It's because the section is transcluded in this Handball at the 2020 Summer Olympics – Men's team rosters article, but I assume this reference is also transcluded to other articles. How do you deal with this situation? I've looked at the Citation help pages but I can't see how to resolve it if a reference definition is needed in multiple places. BeReasonabl (talk) 12:18, 20 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Hi BeReasonabl. That is tricky. The reference is indeed transcluded to other articles. I don't know a recommended solution. I improvised by copying the reference definition with a source comment that it must be identical. It's ugly but it works (until somebody breaks it). It's allowed to define a named reference multiple times if the definitions are identical, but it shouldn't normally be done. PrimeHunter (talk) 14:11, 20 September 2021 (UTC)
 * thanks for your help again in referencing. I see how it works now, but I also understand how brittle this is. However, it seems like the only way to resolve this issue? Perhaps this is why transclusion is a contested issue on Wikipedia? Once again, thanks. BeReasonabl (talk) 03:09, 21 September 2021 (UTC)

Shammi Rana Page
I am trying to establish a page for Mr. Shammi Rana and I need help with this, so please guide me Happybusan (talk) 03:28, 21 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Welcome to the Teahouse! Another editor already suggested that you read Help:Referencing for beginners.  You could try Help:Footnotes as well.  Happy editing!  GoingBatty (talk) 03:41, 21 September 2021 (UTC)

Is there a reference threshold to validate Papua New Guinean related articles?
Papua New Guinea is still lacking a much needed online presence, many significant and relevant subjects missing from wikipedia due to lack of online news or digital academic groups/hubs. I've recently attempted to write an article on "Wan Kantri" - the 'Waltzing Matilda' of Papua New Guinea. In spite it being sung all over the country and various places around the world, I am concerned the article lacks enough references (or even what wikipedia may regard as valid references) to be regarded a valid entry. There is such a need for businesses and communities to access this information so schools and businesses can remain informed on modern developments across their country.

I would love this to be reviewed and have any suggestions how such articles can be written or validated to improve wikipedia reach among Papua New Guineans and the West Pacific.

Pnginitiator (talk) 04:35, 21 September 2021 (UTC) Pnginitiator (talk) 04:35, 21 September 2021 (UTC)
 * , the question of inclusion guidelines for underrepresented regions is complicated, but I'll skip ahead to the good news: looking on Google Books, I was able to find some promising results that should likely be enough to establish that the subject meets notability guidelines. Now, as far as inclusion criteria go, while articles are generally expected to meet the general notability guide, we also accept articles about topics where sufficient sources are not available on hand but are highly likely to exist (WP:NPOSSIBLE). As far as what you can do to help, a stepping stone that would make the editing community more aware of PNG would be if you could help contribute articles about reliable sources from PNG (or that write about PNG), as this would vastly improve editors' ability to recognize usable sources from the country. signed,Rosguill talk 04:50, 21 September 2021 (UTC)

Edit extended-protected
I want to add my 4-5 research articles on SARS-CoV-2 on SARS-CoV-2 wiki page but I am unable to add articles data Rahulbioinfowiki (talk) 06:49, 21 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Hi . Articles are usually protected when there's a very good reason to do so. There a various different levels of protection, and "Externded confirmed protection" is explained here. If you want to edit a particular article and are unable to do so because it's protected, you can always make an edit request on the article's talk page. Just make sure you make your request as clear and easy to understand as possible and also make sure that your request complies with relevant Wikipedia policies and guidelines. In this case, you might want to look at WP:CITESELF, WP:SCHOLARSHIP and WP:MEDRS to make sure the sources you want to cite are appropariate for Wikipedia before actually making your edit request. -- Marchjuly (talk) 07:22, 21 September 2021 (UTC)
 * And what is more,, Wikipedia is not a place to post your original research. We consider your attempt to republish your work on Wikipedia to be spamming. Further, you do not own the copyright to your publications with Elsevier. Elsevier owns the copyright, even if you paid them to publish your work. Even if the journal is open access. And, very few of your edits were "minor" edits, so marking them all as minor was a mistake. I will have to ask at the admin noticeboard to have your copyright-violating edits revision deleted--Quisqualis (talk) 08:18, 21 September 2021 (UTC)

On the quality scale, what class would be this article?
By the number of citations, I think C-class, but by the size of the article, I think it'll come under Start Class. What would it be? Excellenc1 (<b style="color:#C32148">talk</b>) 05:12, 21 September 2021 (UTC)


 * There's no question of it being "Good", let alone "A" or "Featured"; and it hasn't been attached to any WikiProject. So I suspect that nobody other than you cares about the class of such an article. What you might do is (i) attach it (via its talk page, of course) to one or more relevant WikiProject (this in itself would be beneficial), and then, if you're still interested, (ii) ask at the talk page of that WikiProject (or the talk pages of those WikiProjects). -- Hoary (talk) 05:33, 21 September 2021 (UTC)
 * When I create an article, I usually tag the WikiProjects and let other people assess its class. Don't stress out about this; the only two classes that really matter are "Good" and "Featured" anyways. ◢ <i style="background-color:#F7E3F7; color:#960596"> Ganbaruby! </i>  (talk) 05:56, 21 September 2021 (UTC)
 * I added the WikiProjects for you. Happy editing!  GoingBatty (talk) 06:06, 21 September 2021 (UTC)

Thank you. Excellenc1 (<b style="color:#C32148">talk</b>) 09:32, 21 September 2021 (UTC)

creating Disambiguation page
create sub page of my username and use  on top, names of persons with text: "person may refer to:" and   at bottom. Manual of Style/Disambiguation pages clearly states the number of persons must be three or or more and text to use on it. should i go ahead and create or am i missing anything? — ashtamatrikas ( talk  • contrib • actions) 09:37, 21 September 2021 (UTC)
 * - If you are talking about disambiguating three or more people with the same name you should create the page directly under the format of "forename surname (disambiguation)". Mjroots (talk) 10:09, 21 September 2021 (UTC)
 * done. i hope i have done correctly at User:Ashtamatrikas/Draft:Margaret Harrison (disambiguation) — ashtamatrikas ( talk  • contrib • actions) 11:03, 21 September 2021 (UTC)
 * - would you like the draft page deleted? Mjroots (talk) 12:14, 21 September 2021 (UTC)
 * yes, please delete it. — ashtamatrikas  ( talk  • contrib • actions) 12:39, 21 September 2021 (UTC)
 * in future i can also place  or   on the top of my draft page after it is moved. probably it will save time for admins.  — ashtamatrikas  ( talk  • contrib • actions) 15:48, 21 September 2021 (UTC)
 * yes, or an admin can suppress the creation of a redirect on moving a draft. Alternative, with disambiguation pages, you can create them directly in article space without causing too much work for editors to clean up. Articles are different, and best created as sandbox/draft articles until you get the hang of it. Mjroots (talk) 15:56, 21 September 2021 (UTC)
 * i will create subsequent disambiguation pages in  article space. thanks for suggestion.  — ashtamatrikas  ( talk  • contrib • actions) 16:13, 21 September 2021 (UTC)

Difference between "Article" and "page"
Hello! So I just thought about this but what is the real difference between an article and a page? I usually use the terms interchangeably since to me they mean the same thing. But I want to know what the real difference between the two is. ― <b style="background:#0d1125;color:#51aeff;padding:1q;border-radius:5q">Blaze The Wolf</b>Talk<sub title="Discord Username" style="position:relative;right:22q">Blaze Wolf#0001 13:11, 21 September 2021 (UTC)
 * An article is part of the encyclopaedia itself, and is in the article or main namespace. Pages can be in any namespace, with the other namespaces being there for various aspects of the administration of the project.  --David Biddulph (talk) 13:36, 21 September 2021 (UTC)
 * (e/c)All articles are pages (according to Wikipedia, though many editors seem not to like to refer to articles as pages) but not all pages are articles. See for example Glossary, WP:PAGE, and What is an article?.--Shantavira|feed me 13:37, 21 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Ah ok thank you. Good to know that I"m not wrong using them interchangeably. ― <b style="background:#0d1125;color:#51aeff;padding:1q;border-radius:5q">Blaze The Wolf</b>Talk<sub title="Discord Username" style="position:relative;right:22q">Blaze Wolf#0001 13:41, 21 September 2021 (UTC)
 * They are NOT interchangeable. An article is one type of page.  A page is not necessarily an article.  - David Biddulph (talk) 14:11, 21 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Huh? BUt what I"m being told tells me that as long as you're referring to something in the article or main namespace it's fine. ― <b style="background:#0d1125;color:#51aeff;padding:1q;border-radius:5q">Blaze The Wolf</b>Talk<sub title="Discord Username" style="position:relative;right:22q">Blaze Wolf#0001 14:20, 21 September 2021 (UTC)
 * If you are referring to an article it is not strictly incorrect to refer to it a page, though that is an ambiguous term. If you are referring to another type of page, it would be incorrect to refer to it as an article, so (as I said) the terms are NOT interchangeable.  --David Biddulph (talk) 14:31, 21 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Ah ok. So they are partially interchangeable, it's simply just situational as to whether or not they are. ― <b style="background:#0d1125;color:#51aeff;padding:1q;border-radius:5q">Blaze The Wolf</b>Talk<sub title="Discord Username" style="position:relative;right:22q">Blaze Wolf#0001 14:34, 21 September 2021 (UTC)
 * , when somebody refers to an encyclopaedia article as a "page" (especially if they talk about "a page for X" or "X's page") it suggests to me that they do not understand what Wikipedia is, and think it is like social media. --ColinFine (talk) 14:39, 21 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Makes sense. When I say "page" in my mind I'm really just referring to a web page (which is what wikipedia is, along with other websites, web pages) and I'm almost never talking about social media (since then I would be saying things like "post" which sections on talk pages technically are, however most of the time it's not really treated like a social media post). ― <b style="background:#0d1125;color:#51aeff;padding:1q;border-radius:5q">Blaze The Wolf</b>Talk<sub title="Discord Username" style="position:relative;right:22q">Blaze Wolf#0001 14:42, 21 September 2021 (UTC)
 * All poodles are dogs, but not all dogs are poodles. Similarly, all articles are pages, but not all pages are articles.  Hope this helps!  GoingBatty (talk) 16:23, 21 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Yep I was going to say that myself in response to one of these comments, however it's really already been stated. ― <b style="background:#0d1125;color:#51aeff;padding:1q;border-radius:5q">Blaze The Wolf</b>Talk<sub title="Discord Username" style="position:relative;right:22q">Blaze Wolf#0001 16:26, 21 September 2021 (UTC)

Redirect Talk Pages
If I added a WikiProject banner to a redirect talk page is it better to include "class=redirect" or to leave it blank so that it automatically detects that it is a redirect. Also, should I always include Template:Talk page of redirect when I create a talk page for a redirect or are there instances where I should not include the template? TipsyElephant (talk) 01:54, 21 September 2021 (UTC)


 * Why are you creating a talk page on a redirect in the first place? I don't really see any reason you would do this but I could be wrong. ― <b style="background:#0d1125;color:#51aeff;padding:1q;border-radius:5q">Blaze The Wolf</b>Talk<sub title="Discord Username" style="position:relative;right:22q">Blaze Wolf#0001 02:24, 21 September 2021 (UTC)
 * I added the Wikiproject banner to a redirect page so that it could be found at the WikiProject in the "Redirect" section of the "articles by quality and importance" table. I figured it would be helpful if someone was looking for potential pages that could be created or something along those lines. I didn't think it would necessarily be super helpful, but it's one of those maintenance things I can pretty easily do from my phone. TipsyElephant (talk) 16:00, 21 September 2021 (UTC)
 * For instance, there is a redirect for Hidden Brain and I'm working on a draft Draft:Hidden Brain. TipsyElephant (talk) 16:47, 21 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Makes sense. Although others have pointed out it's not really a good use of time. ― <b style="background:#0d1125;color:#51aeff;padding:1q;border-radius:5q">Blaze The Wolf</b>Talk<sub title="Discord Username" style="position:relative;right:22q">Blaze Wolf#0001 16:03, 21 September 2021 (UTC)
 * There could be some reasons, one that comes to mind may be to hold record of an AFD which was to redirect to a certain target and allowing the history to be preserved, but generally redirects don't need to have a talk page. McMatter (talk)/(contrib) 02:27, 21 September 2021 (UTC)
 * To answer your questions: 1.) Leaving it blank is fine, if not preferred, as if it ever becomes something other than a redirect it wouldn't be classified wrong. 2.) It doesn't hurt to do it, but it's fine without it. But as others have pointed out, creating talk pages of redirects is really not a great use of your time around here. ◢ <i style="background-color:#F7E3F7; color:#960596"> Ganbaruby! </i>  (talk) 04:56, 21 September 2021 (UTC)

Thank you for the invite to Tea House
Thank you once again for the Invite, how can we make group in order to write about the bilateral coordination between the two powerful nations? Indoitaly (talk) 16:50, 21 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Welcome to the Teahouse! The place to discuss suggestions to improve the India–Italy relations article is Talk:India–Italy relations.  There are three existing WikiProject groups on the top of that talk page.  Hope this helps, and happy editing!  GoingBatty (talk) 16:55, 21 September 2021 (UTC)

Two questions.
1. If I'm citing a newspaper/website article with a typo in the title, should I fix the typo when citing or leave it as it is? 2. If I have an old picture, say, 1940s, with an unknown copyright status, am I allowed to take an image of that picture and upload it to Wikipedia? Thanks. BeanieFan11 (talk) 16:38, 21 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Welcome to Wikipedia. For (1) cite it as is, but you can put (sic) to indicate the typo is in the source.  For (2), ask at WP:MCQ, copyright law is not simple unfortunately and the experts there can provide guidance.  RudolfRed (talk) 16:56, 21 September 2021 (UTC)

How to handle name variations
I am working on a draft of an athlete and the subject has a birthname, playing name, and now a married name. How is all that formatted correctly? Or do I use the playing name and let the rest show in an infobox? TIA SanVeneto (talk) 16:45, 21 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Welcome to Wikipedia, and thanks for working to improve it. The article title would be the common name for the person, and the lede could say what the birth name is. See Madonna as an example.  RudolfRed (talk) 16:54, 21 September 2021 (UTC)
 * @SanVeneto You can find more info at MOS:CHANGEDNAME. <b style="color:DarkTurquoise; font-weight: bold; font-family:cambria">Eevee01</b>(<b style="color:#40E0D0; font-style: italic">talk</b>) 18:19, 21 September 2021 (UTC)

I found a minor typo
Where do I request edits for articles when I don't have permission to directly edit them? I found a typo in the page Artificial intelligence under Statistical AI: "By 2000, solutions developed by Ai researchers...". I just want to capitalize the I in AI so I created an account and have waited 4 days, but it still seems like I don't have permission yet... what do I do? BenjaminVincentCho (talk) 07:35, 21 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Hello, . Make an edit request at Talk: Artificial intelligence. You need to have four days and ten edits to edit semi-protected pages. Welcome to Wikipedia! <b style="color:#070">Cullen</b><sup style="color:#707">328  Let's discuss it  07:40, 21 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Thanks! I followed the link, and hopefully I did it correctly. BenjaminVincentCho (talk) 08:00, 21 September 2021 (UTC)
 * I've made the change for you, but I can't figure out how to change the answered parameter to "yes" so if anyone could help me that would be appreciated :) Princess Persnickety   (talk)  08:32, 21 September 2021 (UTC)
 * You change the answered parameter to "yes" with, thanks to . Happy editing!  GoingBatty (talk) 13:10, 21 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Thank you, that's very helpful. Princess Persnickety   (talk)  13:14, 21 September 2021 (UTC)
 * There's also a user script that allows you to do it semi-automatically. (don't remember where it's located though) ― <b style="background:#0d1125;color:#51aeff;padding:1q;border-radius:5q">Blaze The Wolf</b>Talk<sub title="Discord Username" style="position:relative;right:22q">Blaze Wolf#0001 13:42, 21 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Its this one: User:Jackmcbarn/editProtectedHelper.js. To load it, you would insert something like this into your common.js:


 * See also, which can be used to create the URL paths for a given JS file automatically. Victor Schmidt (talk) 14:39, 21 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Thank you! I already have it in my common.js, I just couldn't remember where someone could find it. ― <b style="background:#0d1125;color:#51aeff;padding:1q;border-radius:5q">Blaze The Wolf</b>Talk<sub title="Discord Username" style="position:relative;right:22q">Blaze Wolf#0001 14:43, 21 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Thank you, I will have a play. Princess Persnickety   (talk)  18:52, 21 September 2021 (UTC)

Update for the Actor Anthony J. Johnson.
Wikipedia is not showing him as having passed away. I included the links to the New York Times and CNN to show the validity of his passing

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/09/20/arts/anthony-johnson-dead.html

https://www.cnn.com/2021/09/20/entertainment/anthony-johnson-died/index.html — Preceding unsigned comment added by 206.214.50.148 (talk)
 * Anthony_Johnson_(actor) article has been updated by another editor. RudolfRed (talk) 19:51, 21 September 2021 (UTC)

Uploading Pictures of Art
I am trying to upload art made by Haukur Halldórsson with his permission to his profile but I keep getting denied. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haukur_Halld%C3%B3rsson What to do?

Best Kristjan Mar Hauksson Kristjanmar (talk) 20:29, 21 September 2021 (UTC)
 * You don't need the permission, Wikipedia does (as we're hosting the content), and we emphatically will not seek it. We also don't do profiles, we do encyclopaedia articles. —<i style="color: #1E90FF;">A little blue Bori</i>  v^_^v  Jéské Couriano 20:33, 21 September 2021 (UTC)
 * (ec) Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. Wikipedia has articles, not "profiles".  Your account must be at least four days old before you can upload images even without the added issue of permission.  As noted, the artist will need to give the permission themselves, please see WP:DCP for more information.  He should be certain that he really wants to do that, as Wikipedia's license allows for reuse for any purpose, including commercial. 331dot (talk) 20:35, 21 September 2021 (UTC)
 * (ec) Hello, . There are several issues here. First of all, your account is not autoconfirmed yet, so you do not have the authority to upload. Secondly, Haukur Halldórsson is the copyright holder and his permission needs to be formal and in writing. Please see Donating copyrighted materials. Also, the artist should fully understand the implications of free licensing. People could print posters, coffee mugs and postcards with these images without paying him or even asking for permission. They would just have to give him credit. <b style="color:#070">Cullen</b><sup style="color:#707">328   Let's discuss it  20:39, 21 September 2021 (UTC)

i want to help??
i want to help edit wikipedia but i don't know where i could help Sukunasleftnut (talk) 20:11, 21 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. The Task center has some ideas. You can see in the right column who can/could do that particular thing. You most likely want to pick something tagged as Suitable for  all editors  Victor Schmidt (talk) 20:27, 21 September 2021 (UTC)
 * I never knew the task center existed. I only knew that there was a list of things that can be done at the village pump. You taught me something. ― <b style="background:#0d1125;color:#51aeff;padding:1q;border-radius:5q">Blaze The Wolf</b>Talk<sub title="Discord Username" style="position:relative;right:22q">Blaze Wolf#0001 21:04, 21 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Also the "Help Out" section of the community portal. Pyrrho the Skeptic (talk) 21:07, 21 September 2021 (UTC)
 * That was what I mean when I was saying there was a list of things that can be done at the village pump. I confused the village pump with the community portal. ― <b style="background:#0d1125;color:#51aeff;padding:1q;border-radius:5q">Blaze The Wolf</b>Talk<sub title="Discord Username" style="position:relative;right:22q">Blaze Wolf#0001 21:14, 21 September 2021 (UTC)

Suggestbot leaving suggestions... in the archive?
Hello! So I recently decided to look in my talk page archive as I was going to create a section on my userpage dedicated to WikiLove when I noticed that SuggestBot was leaving the suggestions for me in my talk page archive. Anyone know why it's doing this? ― <b style="background:#0d1125;color:#51aeff;padding:1q;border-radius:5q">Blaze The Wolf</b>Talk<sub title="Discord Username" style="position:relative;right:22q">Blaze Wolf#0001 19:05, 21 September 2021 (UTC)
 * There was a template there telling it to do so. Have removed it and re-added it to your talk page, which should cure the problem. Mjroots (talk) 19:14, 21 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Ah ok thank you! I thought I had taken it out of my archive but I Guess not! ― <b style="background:#0d1125;color:#51aeff;padding:1q;border-radius:5q">Blaze The Wolf</b>Talk<sub title="Discord Username" style="position:relative;right:22q">Blaze Wolf#0001 21:22, 21 September 2021 (UTC)

Karan Bajaj
Hello, please, check the articles on the Talk page of Draft:Karan Bajaj (the last two sections) and let me know if they meet WP:RSP, WP:SIGCOV and WP:BIO/WP:AUTHOR. The last reviewer Salimfadhley proposed to show a few articles for him and I did but he is unresponsive:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Salimfadhley#Karan_Bajaj_Draft

There are also 2 last sections on the Talk page Habibiroyal (talk) 20:34, 21 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Were you going to identify some significant coverage in reliable secondary sources? --Salimfadhley (talk) 21:31, 21 September 2021 (UTC)

Long history of deleting properly sourced information from BLP?
The page on W. Brett Wilson has an [| extensive history] of removal of properly sourced references to controversial statements which have been widely reported in reputable news sources. In particular, I note that [| one IP] has a long history of deleting content about the subject's well-documented controversial statements with comments which seem inaccurate (based on the proper citation of sources and other BLP guidelines) like "Defamation" and "Biased", but most often no comment is left at all.

The content which is removed seems to have been added by numerous editors over time, while most of the large deletions of content appears to be done by that one IP address.

What is the best way to ensure this page maintains its integrity and avoid edit warring? I had reached out to the IP address, but subsequently noted its long history of deleting content with little or no comment. FActivist (talk) 21:06, 20 September 2021 (UTC)
 * It looks like the vandalism is somewhat infrequent, at least relatively. You could try a Request for Protection, if it continues. Others may have a different take, though. Pyrrho the Skeptic (talk) 21:21, 20 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Hello, . Since one IP editor has been responsible for most of the disruption, I have blocked that person from editing the article for one year. <b style="color:#070">Cullen</b><sup style="color:#707">328  Let's discuss it  23:11, 20 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Thanks, Cullen - that seems like a reasonable action. Also thanks for your input, it is appreciated also. FActivist (talk) 21:32, 21 September 2021 (UTC)

how to add userboxes?
i cannot figure out how to add userboxes to my page Sukunasleftnut (talk) 20:44, 21 September 2021 (UTC)
 * You still have the "noWiki" markup on your userbox, which looks like this:  . Remove those and you're good to go. Pyrrho the Skeptic (talk) 20:57, 21 September 2021 (UTC)
 * You'll want to put the userbox name in curly brackets like this: Pyrrho the Skeptic (talk) 21:01, 21 September 2021 (UTC)
 * I've fixed it for you. Take a look at what I did so you can see what you have to do in the future. ― <b style="background:#0d1125;color:#51aeff;padding:1q;border-radius:5q">Blaze The Wolf</b>Talk<sub title="Discord Username" style="position:relative;right:22q">Blaze Wolf#0001 22:13, 21 September 2021 (UTC)

Source for what a friend we have in Jesus
Hi I just wanted to add a source for my recent edit. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SWLJ0WCSlQU

Could anybody add it? I don’t know how. 107.15.214.66 (talk) 00:07, 22 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Hi there. YouTube and other video-sharing sites are generally not considered reliable sources because anyone can create or manipulate a video clip and upload without editorial oversight, just as with a self-published website. Mattplaysthedrums (talk) 02:29, 22 September 2021 (UTC)

Changing article name
How can I change the name of an article?

This Foundation "One Asia Foundation" changed it's name after it's expansion to "Eurasia Foundation (from Asia)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/One_Asia_Foundation

I have edited the information to suit the update as my wife is one of the managers there and asked me to do it. But I cannot change the actual name. GaijinDad (talk) 00:09, 22 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Hi @GaijinDad, I have changed the article name for you. Mattplaysthedrums (talk) 02:27, 22 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Welcome to the Teahouse! I suggest that you and your wife please read Plain and simple conflict of interest guide and refrain from editing the article directly.  You may declare your conflict of interest on your talk page, and use the Edit Request Wizard when you have further suggestions on how to improve the article.  Thanks!  GoingBatty (talk) 04:10, 22 September 2021 (UTC)

Draft:The Gaming House - Submission declined on 21 September 2021
Hello Teahouse, my draft article for The Gaming House was declined. Please resubmit this draft. AnsrieJames9 (talk) 22:39, 21 September 2021
 * Have you checked out the reasoning why it was declined? The declining user stated that the subject does not appear notable. ― <b style="background:#0d1125;color:#51aeff;padding:1q;border-radius:5q">Blaze The Wolf</b>Talk<sub title="Discord Username" style="position:relative;right:22q">Blaze Wolf#0001 22:48, 21 September 2021 (UTC)
 * <b style="color:#7F007F">TimTempleton</b> <sup style="color:#800080">(talk) <sup style="color:#7F007F">(cont)  02:52, 22 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Welcome to the Teahouse! It is unlikely that anyone at the Teahouse will resumbit a draft on behalf of someone else.  However, after the TV show launches, you may be able to find new independent reliable sources to add to your draft.  Happy editing!  GoingBatty (talk) 03:55, 22 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Hi @AnsrieJames9. as mentioned by the reviewer the draft fails WP:NTELEVISION. It requires significant coverage in multiple independent reliable secondary sources. Have you tried looking for more reliable sources? If no more sources are available then it is a case of WP:TOOSOON. You should wait until more news outlets publish articles about this show. <b style="color:DarkTurquoise; font-weight: bold; font-family:cambria">Eevee01</b>(<b style="color:#40E0D0; font-style: italic">talk</b>) 04:13, 22 September 2021 (UTC)

saving a draft
Doing my first article. I'm in the draft wizard (I think) and I'm not ready to "publish page". I want to save my work as a draft and add citations later. How do I do that? SharedHeritage (talk) 00:43, 22 September 2021 (UTC)


 * The "Publish" button is actually your save button. I will add the appropriate template to you draft though so you can submit it for real when you're ready. ― <b style="background:#0d1125;color:#51aeff;padding:1q;border-radius:5q">Blaze The Wolf</b>Talk<sub title="Discord Username" style="position:relative;right:22q">Blaze Wolf#0001 01:13, 22 September 2021 (UTC)


 * Comment., by writing the text of your draft first, and then adding sources to support what you have written, you are making your task of creating an acceptable article much harder than it need be. The recommended method is to start with the citations, and then add text which summarises what your sources say. Maproom (talk) 07:04, 22 September 2021 (UTC)