Wikipedia:Teahouse/Questions/Archive 1120

Draft:Noise militia questions
ok--got questions regarding 2nd declination of Draft:Noise militia

---is a song getting the guinness world record for longest song 'notable'? editor TheBirdShedsTears said ''It appears notable per its Guinness Records in the 1st declination on 7/23. then editor Sahaib3005 says This submission's references do not show that the subject qualifies for a Wikipedia article question notability. i'm confused.''

--are not the Guinness world record page this song is included in as well as the LI Herald newspaper who did a feature on the song and artist about the record.

please help clear this up. thanks! 613codify (talk) 12:50, 10 August 2021 (UTC)

 613codify (talk) 12:50, 10 August 2021 (UTC)


 * One problem is Guinness: the difficulty is that the Guinness Book of Records is notorious as offering a record for almost anything: you can have "most teahouse questions asked in ten minutes" if you want, Guinness will probably put it in there. As such, merely appearing in the Guinness book of records won't establish notability. You'd need to find some other source that underlines that the record really is a notable one, and not just Guinnessfodder. Ideally, you'd want a music critic in a magazine saying "this is notable as the longest ever song (according to Guinness)", because once someone independent and meaningful has picked up on it, that's evidence that the world really cares. Elemimele (talk) 13:00, 10 August 2021 (UTC)

Replacing an Image
Hello, can someone please add this pic: https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Lujaina_Mohsin.jpg to https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lujaina_Mohsin_Darwish Right now it's a couple pic and having a single portrait will be better. GONvsKillua (talk) 13:29, 10 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Done. Zudo (talk • contribs) 13:48, 10 August 2021 (UTC)

Question from Bodaskolan
could i be payed as a wikiedia editor. Bodaskolan (talk) 13:35, 10 August 2021 (UTC)
 * @Bodaskolan: Welcome to the Teahouse. By the Wikimedia Foundation? No. Everyone here volunteers to edit. Someone might reach out and offer payment in exchange for some editing, but then you'd be bound and restricted by Wikipedia's paid editing policy, one of which would be you virtually wouldn't be able to edit the pages in question directly. — Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 14:00, 10 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Wikipedia itself (in other words, the Wikimedia Foundation) isn't going to pay you for editing Wikipedia. If you're getting paid to edit Wikipedia (as part of a job, for example) you should be aware of the policy surrounding paid contributions. Zudo (talk • contribs) 14:04, 10 August 2021 (UTC)

list article chart
Hello again, Teahouse hosts--I've another question: How do I make the chart on TABLE''' have columns all portioned as is the first section sub-titled 1577. The date column on the 1577 section is nicely formed so that the dates display well. However, all subsequent columns have a date column which is too narrow.

Please know this is my sandbox and I've not yet submitted the article. I'll do so shortly after I rectify this matter of column width. Most kind regardsHu Nhu (talk) 03:57, 10 August 2021 (UTC) Hu Nhu (talk) 03:57, 10 August 2021 (UTC)
 * See Help:Table. Just specify the columns the same width. Note that using pixel width "px" is discouraged in favor of percentages or em. If you don't know what an "em" is, see em (typography).
 * On a separate note, I'd not use  for the pictures in the table to get rid of that annoying border. Something like this:    ◢  Ganbaruby!   (talk) 04:06, 10 August 2021 (UTC)
 * , I will look into the table setting assistance you mention. I certainly appreciate that you took an extra moment and saw the problematic border--yes, it was annoying--and offered a most excellent suggestion. the 200px took care of the matter very neatly.  Thank you for your kind attention.  Most kind regards,Hu Nhu (talk) 14:47, 10 August 2021 (UTC)

How does notability for software works?
I have come across several software-related articles in Wikipedia that have pretty much only primary sources and developer/user forums related-sources. One example would be Anki, there are several others in KDE Applications, which has tons of pages and its own category - and I just realized it has recently been proposed for deletion. I don't see anything that proves WP:N for these. From the looks of it, it is users and developers using Wikipedia as a resource for sharing things they work on, which is WP:NOT what Wikipedia is for. Am I missing something? Or should I propose pages similar to those for deletion? Thanks in advance. VdSV9• ♫ 15:06, 10 August 2021 (UTC)
 * No,, you're probably right: there's a huge amount of dross in Wikipedia that shouldn't be there, and you would be improving Wikipedia by dealing with some of it. But notice that "does not demonstrate notability" is not enough to delete an article - you need to do the diligence and establish that the subject does not in fact meet Wikipedia's criteria for notability - see BEFORE. If an article is inadequate but salvageable, it can be draftified. --ColinFine (talk) 15:12, 10 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Also, sadly, when things turn up at AfD, all it takes is a couple of determined editors to declare that the software is desperately notable, and a puzzled admin may be tempted to err on the side of caution and close the debate as 'no consensus' (which is true), in which case the article remains. If you come across a situation where a group of editors are apparently using Wikipedia as a resource to share things they work on, or promote them, then it is almost certain that those editors will oppose deletion, making 'no consensus' nearly inevitable. It is harder to change the status quo than do something new: Articles that wouldn't pass review to be created fresh, are nevertheless hard to delete. Elemimele (talk) 15:42, 10 August 2021 (UTC)

Televion / Commercial Advertisments
Since television / commercial advertisements are also a part of any actor's or model's work. But are they considered and allowed to be mentioned here on Wikipedia if reliable sources are added? ManaliJain (talk) 14:21, 10 August 2021 (UTC)
 * If you're suggesting listing adverts they've appeared in like a list of shows, then no, Wikipedia doesn't do that. With reliable sources though, you can mention in prose that they've signed a multimillion pound contract, to be the face of Cooper's Creosote for the next five years. - X201 (talk) 14:52, 10 August 2021 (UTC)
 * And the usual measures of notability apply. Some adverts become almost works-of-art, permeating all corners of society, and infiltrating our culture (in the UK, SpecSavers, I'm looking at you, amongst others; the article on Toby Williams (comedian) quite rightly records his role as a short-sighted vet in the Specsavers adverts). If an advert becomes such a big part of our culture that the columnists of national newspapers write whole chunks about it, then the advert itself risks becoming article-worthy. Elemimele (talk) 16:02, 10 August 2021 (UTC)

How to request edit of "extended-confirmation protected" page: OneCoin
How would I go about requesting an edit or addition to a page? It would be great if a line could be added to the OneCoin page stating "not to be confused with Harmony One", or along those lines. I can see editors who have edited it in the past, but no way to contact them directly. Thanks!

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OneCoin Jeffrice47 (talk) 17:28, 10 August 2021 (UTC)
 * You can follow this link to make an edit request on the article talkpage, Talk:OneCoin. Please be aware that edit requests are intended to ask for a specific change to be made, not to request access to the article itself. I'll leave a welcome note on your user talkpage in a few seconds. Victor Schmidt (talk) 17:41, 10 August 2021 (UTC)

How to propose a Category Rename/Redirect?
Hello, through a recent edit that showed up in my watchlist I would like to propose a category rename + redirect(?). Because a) I think it fits better, and b) is in line with other similar categories. How do I go about this? :) Do I post it on the talk page of said category or is there a more central place to do so? Thank you -- Mvbaron (talk) 06:53, 10 August 2021 (UTC)


 * @Mvbaron Hello, check out Categories for discussion! You should also notify the creator and relevant projects. Twinkle automates a lot of that for you. Shushugah (he/him • talk) 08:09, 10 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Thank you very much! That's perfect. -- Mvbaron (talk) 17:43, 10 August 2021 (UTC)

Review Articles
Sum565 (talk) 16:28, 10 August 2021 (UTC)

Sir can you told my why my article are not approved Draft:Sheikh Jubayer Hasan But the same category player articles are alive on Wikipedia Shakhir Hossain this article and my article are related but my article are not approved. there are play same luge and also debut T 20 cricket
 * Other stuff exists is rarely a good argument. We determine notability on a case by case basis. ◢  Ganbaruby!   (talk) 18:57, 10 August 2021 (UTC)

Stack templates neatly on Talk page
How do I get multiple templates to stack neatly one above the other on a Talk page, instead of floating superimposed on each other? Lee Choquette (talk) 18:31, 10 August 2021 (UTC)
 * The two templates you're using there, Translated page and Connected contributor, aren't designed to be side by side. We usually put the translated template below the connected contributor one to make the talk page more compact.  ◢  Ganbaruby!   (talk) 18:56, 10 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Thanks, that did the trick! Now I know to play with the ordering next time. Lee Choquette (talk) 19:17, 10 August 2021 (UTC)

Previous Created Page about a person Rejected and blocked for Same page creation again
Hello, username - Strange editor 2 I have Created a Article page 'Mohammed Shanooj' about a musician person, but it got rejected and deleted. But still after collecting lots of source, reference & news, i cant create same page again. Please Unblock me from Creating 'Mohammed Shanooj' page Strange editor 2 (talk) 18:24, 10 August 2021 (UTC)
 * You can create a draft and submit it for review. --David Biddulph (talk) 18:28, 10 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Strange confirmed as sockpuppet of Mohammed Shanooj. David notMD (talk) 19:35, 10 August 2021 (UTC)
 * That didn't take long. -- A Rose Wolf  19:47, 10 August 2021 (UTC)

Getting An Article Posted.
I wrote an article about myself and my career, article title "Hiram A. Murray". Was wondering how do I get it posted? Is it in the review process? Hirmurray (talk) 16:12, 10 August 2021 (UTC)


 * Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. It appears that  left you some very good advice on both your submission and at your user talk page after you posted your question here. I would suggest consulting that information on how to proceed. Wikipedia strongly discourages the writing of autobiographies as articles here and many wrongly interpret Wikipedia as being a social media platform for them to create a "profile" by which they will generate more traffic their way. This is not the purpose or intent of Wikipedia. This is an encyclopedia with articles about subjects that receive significant coverage in independent reliable secondary sources. To be blunt, Wikipedia does not want to know what you have to say about yourself but what verifiable independent sources have to say about you. (See WP:AUTOBIO, WP:N, WP:OR, and WP:V for starters) -- A Rose  Wolf  16:33, 10 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Huge amount of content, three itty-bitty references, heading toward Declined. And I am willing to bet a modest amount of money that Hirmurray, creator of the draft, did not take the three photos of Murray claimed as Own work.David notMD (talk) 19:30, 10 August 2021 (UTC)
 * First one looks like an executives profile picture. I'm not sure about the Marine Corps photo. The third one looks like it was taken during one of his interviews and may be copyrighted by whomever conducted the interview and the final one, now deleted, showing him and his family is cute but presented all kinds of BLP issues. In short, its possible it could be own works but it is equally possible one or more are a copyright violations. -- A Rose Wolf  19:54, 10 August 2021 (UTC)
 * How can any be "Own work" if the draft is by Hiram A. Murray and he claims he took the photos? None look like selfies. David notMD (talk) 20:20, 10 August 2021 (UTC)
 * I guess its worth asking. Does "Own Work" literally mean it has to be a photo or picture taken by the subject or on a camera owned by the subject or just in possession of the subject? I've seen photo's added to user pages that were classified as "Own Work" yet are clearly not selfies. It's a valid question. -- A Rose Wolf  20:24, 10 August 2021 (UTC)

Laurence Myers article contents appears in the wrong place
The contents section in the article I am writing has appeared in a different place. Not sure how that has happened...How can I move it back to the right area? Thanks for any helpVedlagt (talk) 22:10, 10 August 2021 (UTC) Vedlagt  (talk) 22:10, 10 August 2021 (UTC)


 * Are you talking about the table of contents box? Don't worry about that, it is generated automatically and is only in the wrong place because of the draft banners. If your draft is approved the table of contents will be fine. –– 𝗙𝗼𝗿𝗺𝗮𝗹𝗗𝘂𝗱𝗲  talk  22:37, 10 August 2021 (UTC)




 * ! GoingBatty (talk) 22:38, 10 August 2021 (UTC)

Image Question
Can I upload this image? https://static.univision.com/fragments/noticias/home-locales/images/radio-stations/houston/depts-houston.png ItsJustdancefan (talk) 01:27, 11 August 2021 (UTC)
 * You could use File Upload Wizard to upload it, which will prompt you for the article name and the appropriate fair use criteria. Happy editing!  GoingBatty (talk) 01:44, 11 August 2021 (UTC)

List of 3D films
Hello I have just one question and I was very unsure if this was the right place to ask. There's a particular page on Wikipedia called (List Of 3D Films 2005-Onwards) and there is a bunch of random IP address constantly adding things beyond 2021 which have no reliable sources. Is there a way the page can only be edited by certain users to prevent vandals from doing this again. Because it's getting really annoying having to constantly go through and remove these non-reliable adds. Signed MOVIEFAN2001 — Preceding unsigned comment added by MOVIEFAN2001 (talk • contribs)
 * You might want to check out requests for page protection! WhoAteMyButter  ( 📨talk │ 📝contribs ) 02:59, 11 August 2021 (UTC)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Dr_Georgios_Mikellides
Why this is not published yet? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Dr_Georgios_Mikellides Ieromaxos (talk) 04:58, 11 August 2021 (UTC)
 * You need to submit the draft for review. I have done so for you. Kleinpecan (talk) 05:09, 11 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Draft:Dr Georgios Mikellides submitted. could be soon or up to ten days to be reviewed. David notMD (talk) 05:16, 11 August 2021 (UTC)

Thank you

4 months draft
I have created this content and it has been 4 months but still it was not approved. This is my first article here in Wikipedia. Can somebody direct me to the right path please. I made a few tweaks and is so far already satisfied. What am I still missing so it can get published? Thanks so much! Heimoore77 (talk) 06:57, 11 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Hello, . You have not submitted your draft for review, so nobody knows anything about it. Please read the instructions at Articles for Creation, and follow them. Cullen328  Let's discuss it  07:03, 11 August 2021 (UTC)
 * –– 𝗙𝗼𝗿𝗺𝗮𝗹𝗗𝘂𝗱𝗲  talk  07:04, 11 August 2021 (UTC)
 * I see that Draft:LVIT cites no sources. Also, it would be helpful if it started by saying what a LVIT measures/senses, before going into technical details about how it works. Maproom (talk) 07:14, 11 August 2021 (UTC)

Why are some pages protected?
I've noticed that many pages, particularly ones focused on people who have marketing deals are protected. Often, the marketing campaign is not listed on the bio page, which makes me wonder if the artists are paying a fee to not have these things reflected on their pages. Most recently, I noticed there was no mention of Bad Bunny's Cheetos campaign on his main page https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bad_Bunny, even though the ads are on heavy rotation on Amazon Prime Video. Given how major of a campaign it is, and given how minor other details are in his bio, the most obvious conclusion to someone who is new to editing, but not new to Wiki, is market-driven censorship.

Hope I'm wrong. 00sweeney (talk) 06:08, 11 August 2021 (UTC)
 * It's usually to prevent people from adding ad copy to pages or unreferenced biographical claims. The latter is especially more common when we're talking about protected articles of living people. —A little blue Bori  v^_^v  Jéské Couriano 06:13, 11 August 2021 (UTC)
 * In addition to the above response, advertising campaigns are rarely included in biographies anyways because most of them aren't within the encyclopedic scope of Wikipedia. It's one of those trivial things where WP:INDISCRIMINATE or WP:PROMOTION is a concern. This isn't to say that it's impossible; if editors can come to the consensus that the campaign is something important enough in that person's career to mention, then that campaign be in there. ◢  Ganbaruby!   (talk) 06:21, 11 August 2021 (UTC)
 * If you view the article's edit history, just under the title you will see a link that is titled "View logs for this page". If you click that, you'll see the list of the technical things that have been done to that article, including protection. Near the end of each entry the admin that did the procedure should have given a reason, like "Persistent Vandalism" etc. - X201 (talk) 07:33, 11 August 2021 (UTC)

Hassocene and other superheavy compounds
Has there been any reports about new super heavy compounds like Hassocene? I saw on the Hassium page, "As of 2019, there have been no reports of Hassocene." This is like this for a lot of pages. I think its time to update them a little as its been a few years. UB Blacephalon (talk) 03:13, 11 August 2021 (UTC)


 * @Blacephalon please try WP:RDS for questions about Hassocene, and either ask at the article talk page about whether it's time to update certain parts of an article, or just be WP:BOLD. Regards! Usedtobecool ☎️ 07:50, 11 August 2021 (UTC)

Biography Page
How do I write and publish a biography page for someone here. 2600:1702:3F10:4900:65E1:35F3:8D59:2140 (talk) 05:42, 11 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Hello IP, if you're considering creating a brand new article, see WP:YFA, but know that article creation is very difficult for beginners. We usually tell newbies to edit existing articles to gain experience before trying to create a new article. ◢  Ganbaruby! </i>  (talk) 06:22, 11 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Also, unless the person meets the demands at WP:BASIC, any article about them you try to add will be removed. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 08:06, 11 August 2021 (UTC)

A question for Media that's in the Youtube platform
Not sure where I should ask but as far as I am concerned. Making a new article page would normally require a cite of where it's from but this gave me a thought, this being in a Youtube platform instead of the usual places. Would citting a content creator, which goes by losprimerosVIIVI, they reupload videos that pretty much sound techno and such. I am aware of the rule that entails somewhere in wikipedia but just wanna get my concern out of the plow. Sorry if I sound confusing, english is not my first language. Kaspatik (talk) 08:09, 11 August 2021 (UTC)


 * @Kaspatik Hello and welcome to the Teahouse! I'm not sure I understand your question, but I'll give it a go. See WP:RSPYT. Per your description, it seems losprimerosVIIVI is not something that should be used on WP. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 08:17, 11 August 2021 (UTC)


 * @Gråbergs Gråa Sång Ah, I see, well. At least it answered on what I needed to know. (Btw thanks for welcoming me to wikipedia from earlier haha) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Kaspatik (talk • contribs)

incorrect redirection of  Katarina Erlandsdotter?
machine translation of sv:Lisa Erlandsdotter and  sv:Katarina Erlandsdotter given me impression that both of them are sisters. however here Katarina Erlandsdotter redirects to Lisa Erlandsdotter? 28july21 (talk) 08:29, 11 August 2021 (UTC)
 * The en:Wikipedia L E article (excuse my abbreviations) actually states that she was the sister of K E. However, we do not yet have an article on en:Wikipedia about K E, so the text on the page titled K E consists solely of a redirect to L E since K E is at least mentioned there.
 * The solution would be for someone to write an English language article about K E and replace the redirect link on the K E page with its text. Obviously, the article would be subject to the usual en:Wikipedia requirement: these are probably more strict than on sv:Wikipedia (where neither article has a single citation), so a straight translation of the K E article there would not in itself reach the required standard. Note that the existing en:Wikipedia article on L E also lacks any citations and is flagged as such.
 * It seems likely that most useful sources for either sister are going to be in Swedish; this is permissable, but restricts the pool of reviewers who are going to be comfortable reviewing the new K E article and the existing L E article once improved.
 * I note further that their brother and colleague Sven Erlandsson, also mentioned in the L E article and presumably no less (or more) deserving of an article, is currently a red link. {The poster formerly known as 87.81.230.195} 90.197.27.112 (talk) 09:06, 11 August 2021 (UTC)
 * I'd say that the basic article at Lisa Erlandsdotter is on very thin ice because of its lack of references. There's nothing wrong with references being in Swedish, but a single source in a lexicon is a very bare minimum; it'd be more encouraging if someone else, somewhere, had written about the Erlandsdotters. (1) Yes, someone could write an article for Katarina (and also an article for Sven), but without more references/evidence of notability, it might not get accepted, so the problem wouldn't be solved; (2) I have removed the square brackets round Katarina Erlandsdotter on Lisa's article because Katarina is just a redirect to Lisa, which means that this is a circular reference, previewing the very page the reader is reading! That's confusing and unnecessary; if anyone ever writes a Katarina article, it would be time to reinsert the link; (3) But to my mind, the best solution of all would be to write a page for Lisa's art-form, bonadsmålning, which is already a red-link in Lisa's article. It is more likely that there will be referenced material to create such an article, and it would be possible to add a note in the bonadsmålning article that Lisa, Katarina and Sven were artists working in that medium. That might be more appropriate, if there is little else written about them. Any Swedish art enthusiasts up for the task? Elemimele (talk) 10:46, 11 August 2021 (UTC)

How do I find the page I submitted?
I created a page yesterday called Eugenio Lo Sardo. I thought that I had submitted it, but now can't find it. Then, it wanted references: While the person is perfectly well known and has held government positions I don't know what references I can use, beyond, say, book titles on Amazon which seems a bit lame. Ideas? Elifent (talk) 14:56, 11 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Welcome to the Teahouse! At the top right of any Wikipedia page, click the Contributions link to see your recent edits.  I see that your page is at Draft:Eugenio Lo Sardo.  When creating a draft, you should first gather your reliable sources, then summarize what they say and use them as references.  You can use newspapers, magazines, books, journals, and other independent published sources for references - and they don't have to be online.  See Help:Your first article for lots of guidance.  GoingBatty (talk) 15:13, 11 August 2021 (UTC)

Translate
Hello! I am new here, but i use Wikipedia for such a long time. I am romanian, and my small problem is that i don`t always find articles translated in romanian as well. I would really like to take some of the articles that i find useful and translate them in romanian as well, but i don`t know if i am allowed. if someone can help me with this information, i would be grateful. Puccation (talk) 14:05, 11 August 2021 (UTC)
 * , I'm sure you're allowed. But as what you'll be doing is at Romanian Wikipedia, you should ask about it there, as they'll know exactly what their rules are concerning articles translated from other Wikipedias. Maproom (talk) 14:08, 11 August 2021 (UTC)


 * Hello,, and welcome to the Teahouse. Some ideas for translating articles from English to other languages are at Translate us; but as Maproom says, you need to know the policies of your destination Wikipedia. --ColinFine (talk) 15:14, 11 August 2021 (UTC)

Help, my 3 hour work on some article got removed.
Work on article Penicillium maximae Some user named Diannaa had deleted my work few hours ago because of copyright issues. The article was stub that I edited on and also content required couldn't be found anywhere other than internet sources. Just say you found the same information about something in 500 pages of Internet and if some huge "ADMINISTRATOR" regardless had put that information rest assured his/her work will never be removed. I have never seen something like that. Its only with me that being a "new user" they discriminate and remove my content be it found anywhere on Earth. I am sorry if i am ranting too much but I will be pleased if you kindly look into this matter. Thank You. Sagardd234 (talk) 09:17, 11 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. Please see the messages from Dianaa and others on your talk page, where relevant Wikipedia policies are clearly explained with links to further information.--Shantavira|feed me 09:52, 11 August 2021 (UTC)
 * It's not Diannaa, it's you. Wikipedia has zero-tolerance for content copied of only slightly paraphrased from published sources, even if those sources are referenced. Describe in your own words. David notMD (talk) 13:14, 11 August 2021 (UTC)
 * , Absolutely not true. It is the case that the years of experience needed to become an administrator mean it is virtually impossible to achieve that status without an understanding of our copyright rules, so it's rare to see edits by administrator removal copyright reasons but that's because administrators rarely violate copyright. It happens on occasion (usually accidentally due to a misunderstanding of the licensing), but I guarantee that violations of copyright by administrators are not accepted. Diannaa happens to be our resident expert on copyright. No one's perfect but I've reviewed hundreds of her removals and haven't seen an error yet  S Philbrick  (Talk)  15:32, 11 August 2021 (UTC)

How to Create Infobox
I want to create infobox for Muslim scholar in one info box all details of scholar will be cover so please help for better information of Islamic scholars thanks KhanQadriRazvi (talk) 11:23, 11 August 2021 (UTC)
 * hi and welcome to the teahouse @! I believe is the relevant infobox for this. happy editing!  melecie   t  12:47, 11 August 2021 (UTC)

@User talk:Melecie Thanks But the I wnat to creat new, which one is combination of three or four infoboxes like academic, religious, person and office holder, so please help me how to crate infobox Thanks  KhanQadriRazvi (talk) 13:51, 11 August 2021 (UTC)
 * You already asked this question at Help_desk. Please don't ask the same question in two different places on the same day.  Wikipedia used to have a separate Infobox Muslim leader, which was merged into Infobox religious biography - see this discussion.  Per Help:Infobox, I suggest you propose your reasons for a new infobox to the appropriate WikiProject and gain consensus before designing it.  Happy editing!   GoingBatty (talk) 15:38, 11 August 2021 (UTC)

@GoingBatty- It must have happened by mistake, I will take full care of this from next time, and Thanks for Help KhanQadriRazvi (talk) 16:11, 11 August 2021 (UTC)

Resubmitting a draft and removing copyright deletion notice
Hello, the copyright has been removed, so the tag can be removed. It won't allow me, so can anyone do it? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:J.T._Patten NPFictionLibrarian (talk) 14:56, 11 August 2021 (UTC)
 * I contested the Speedy deletion, because the copyvios report did not appear to indicate a high percentage of content from the mentioned source(s). However, the Declined comment about copyvios must stay with the draft. David notMD (talk) 15:24, 11 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Looking at the draft history, it appears that didn't make any significant changes before resubmitting the draft for review. I suggest you click the "Duplication Detector report" link on the copyright deletion notice, and then change the first sentence of the "History" section - either rewrite in your own words or put it in quotes. Happy editing! GoingBatty (talk)
 * That's valid. Separate from the question of copyright content in total, text taken verbatim from sources needs to be in quotation marks and referenced. 16:24, 11 August 2021 (UTC)

COKE LA ROCK
144.121.102.245 (talk) 16:34, 11 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Welcome to the Teahouse, a place to ask questions about using Wikipedia. Do you have a question?  GoingBatty (talk) 16:36, 11 August 2021 (UTC)

Help to add map
Hi, I am trying to add a proper map to the infobox but the code is unable to find the coordinates, even though it exist. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Kamala_Beach HxH3 (talk) 15:58, 11 August 2021 (UTC)
 * To put coordinates into Wikipedia, we use the coord template. The syntax is a bit tricky, so I've put it in for you. Is that what you want? ◢ <i style="background-color:#F7E3F7; color:#960596"> Ganbaruby! </i>  (talk) 18:03, 11 August 2021 (UTC)

Improving an article on a sportsperson
Following the Olympics, I've been trying to improve the articles on a few BMX riders, but mostly Logan Martin (BMX rider). I don't know too much about him, but I've been sourcing and adding his competition results over the past few days. Does anyone have any tips/suggestions on how I can flesh out the article and make it more like a biography? DiamondIIIXX (talk) 05:01, 11 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Most of that article is a list of his achievements. While that is important, a Wikipedia article is much better in prose form. I suggest you to look at other biographies on sportspeople that are good or featured and see how the article body is written and mimic that style in Martin's article. ◢ <i style="background-color:#F7E3F7; color:#960596"> Ganbaruby! </i>  (talk) 06:28, 11 August 2021 (UTC)
 * When I came across the article, it had an unsourced list of his achievements and a subpar infobox. I have since expanded the infobox, sourced his achievements, and added more ones. I thought it was a good idea to source everything then move on to the prose part after everything was "discovered" as there is not a concise list of his achievements. It feels like every time I search up a competition to source it, I find another few that I have to add to the list! DiamondIIIXX (talk) 07:16, 11 August 2021 (UTC)
 * DiamondIIIXX (talk) 07:35, 11 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Thanks for your work on sourcing. I'm not saying the list of achievements is bad (quite the opposite, actually). It's just that a good biography should have prose about the person's early life, career, etc. You do have to keep in mind WP:INDISCRIMINATE and where exactly to draw the line; I don't typically edit in this area, so I'd reach out to others that do, maybe at WP:SPORTS. Also, I'd remove the red links in the infobox, at the very least the "Pannonian Challenge" one and the "NASS Festival" one. ◢ <i style="background-color:#F7E3F7; color:#960596"> Ganbaruby! </i>  (talk) 18:11, 11 August 2021 (UTC)

Help to review the draft, Laurence Myers
Could someone read the draft, Laurence Myers, and give some feedback in how to improve it? I have also been trying to find out how to make 'contents'.

Thanks! Vedlagt (talk) 20:59, 9 August 2021 (UTC)


 * You've already received extensive feedback, at the top of that draft. Which part of what you've received is unclear? However, in addition, let's consider the lead: (i) Make the dates "12 December 1813" and "19 March 1884" respectively; (ii) "passed away" is a euphemism for "died"; (iii) "the young age of" is editorializing (readers can decide for themselves that he was young). But these points are minor: no massaging of prose will make up for lack of content, which is something that you have to find, in reliable sources. If it can't be found, no article can be created. -- Hoary (talk) 21:59, 9 August 2021 (UTC)


 * , It would help if there were evidence that the inventions were widely exploited. It would help even more  if there was a full obit of him in a major paper.   DGG ( talk ) 18:45, 11 August 2021 (UTC)

Wikipedia
Can you ask riddleson wikipedia ? 41.114.201.205 (talk) 18:21, 11 August 2021 (UTC)


 * Only if they're good riddles. –– 𝗙𝗼𝗿𝗺𝗮𝗹𝗗𝘂𝗱𝗲  talk  19:04, 11 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Notable riddles supported by multiple independent reliable secondary sources (WP:N)? -- A Rose Wolf  19:14, 11 August 2021 (UTC)
 * It depends where you want to ask them. In the Teahouse, sure, but in an article, it depends on what said above. –– 𝗙𝗼𝗿𝗺𝗮𝗹𝗗𝘂𝗱𝗲   talk  19:17, 11 August 2021 (UTC)
 * They could always come to my Talk Page and ask them too. I love a good riddle and it is great for community building. -- A Rose  Wolf  19:19, 11 August 2021 (UTC)

section removal
why was my section removed i did provide accurate citations and references some which ae used on many wikipedia websites thats why the info box with 5 millionsq kilometres territory should be restored Bhima Palavīṉamāṉa (talk) 19:29, 11 August 2021 (UTC)
 * The section being referred to is found at Talk:Maurya Empire. -- A Rose Wolf  20:17, 11 August 2021 (UTC)

Query about Elhiad Cufi draft
Please Can you check this article and help me out https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Elhaid_Cufi I'm new on creating articles on wiki. Adel Blue Krasniqi (talk) 19:46, 11 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Created section title David notMD (talk) 19:53, 11 August 2021 (UTC)
 * , I've done what I can to make Draft:Elhaid Cufi look like a Wikipedia article. But it needs a lot more work. Its biggest problem is the lack of citations of reliable independent published sources that discuss him. The first source cited doesn't mention him, and the second is a video of an interview with him, and so not independent. I don't understand Albanian, so I can't comment on the third source (another Youtube video). Maproom (talk) 21:12, 11 August 2021 (UTC)

Hu Nhu: Formatting Assistance
Hello Teahouse hosts. I've just created an article you may see Timeline of Francis Drake's circumnavigation. You may notice in the footnotes section that between numbers 70 and 71 that the format changes. I've looked it over and cannot find what the problem is. I am absolutely BLURRY EYED from writing and editing this article, and it is the first of such magnitude for me. So, I would appreciate any assistance one of you might have. Kind regards to all,Hu Nhu (talk) 21:44, 11 August 2021 (UTC) Hu Nhu (talk) 21:44, 11 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Hello, . I don't know for sure, but my thought is that something has run out of memory trying to process such a large number of sfn templates. You might like to ask at WP:VPT. Please add a header when you post a new topic here. --ColinFine (talk) 22:03, 11 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Hello . Sorry about the header--definitely my oversight.Hu Nhu (talk) 23:19, 11 August 2021 (UTC)
 * I think the template talk page might be a better place to start - I started a discussion for you. <b style="color:#7F007F">TimTempleton</b> <sup style="color:#800080">(talk) <sup style="color:#7F007F">(cont)  22:16, 11 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Thanks very much. I'll check the double pipe and then see how matters proceed from there.Hu Nhu (talk) 23:19, 11 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Are you refering to how some of the references show as "Turner, 2006" and some display as "Turner et al"? If so the issue is that you've added an extra pipe (this → ) to some of the references, e.g. on the 15th February section of 1579 you give the references as   Note the double pipe after the author name. 192.76.8.91 (talk) 22:27, 11 August 2021 (UTC)
 * →   Others errors are similar; pagination requires named parameters p and pp.
 * —Trappist the monk (talk) 22:29, 11 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Aha! The double pipe! I'll un-double pipe and see what happens.Hu Nhu (talk) 23:19, 11 August 2021 (UTC)
 * , the un-doubling worked on the et. al.  You've a very discerning eye.  Many thanks.  Now I'll see about the odd inclusion of the & on others.
 * Hello, , and . I've discovered the rest of the problem--missing p=.  Thank you all for your kind attention.  Kind regards,Hu Nhu (talk) 23:35, 11 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Hello, , and . I've discovered the rest of the problem--missing p=.  Thank you all for your kind attention.  Kind regards,Hu Nhu (talk) 23:35, 11 August 2021 (UTC)

Bullying of new users
Hi, I happened to see a pretty ugly incident yesterday between an older user and a new one. Briefly, the new user was viciously bullied and left Wikipedia because of this bullying. I left a support note on their talk page and was confronted by the same bully. An irrational allegation of sock puppetry was thrown at the new user and when they asked the bully to stop making unsubstantiated allegations the bully started a tirade that lasted hours across both their talk pages. The new user tried to end the argument many times but the bully kept hounding,harassing, etc. I was trying to make a small edit to the Takeshi Kaneshiro page and found all this in the history section. The bully has since changed their username and erased the harassment they carried out on their talk page, but the original allegation of sock puppetry against the new user they ended up abusing is still up. I don’t want to get involved since it’s none of my business but the support message I left for the new user made me a target too. I just want to make sure the bully doesn’t keep behaving like this. That’s all. Applehornet (talk) 10:15, 11 August 2021 (UTC). Applehornet (talk) 10:15, 11 August 2021 (UTC)


 * Hello,, and welcome to the Teahouse. If you see inappropriate conduct, then WP:ANI is the best place to report it - but read what it says at the top of that page first. --ColinFine (talk) 12:35, 11 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Hello @Applehornet, if you need an admin to assist you in any ongoing discussion, you can summon one by adding . The other editor you speak of is not exactly new, but they are not exactly old either. I doubt they have much experience outside of editing articles. You had best not judge all Wikipedia by what happens between two new users in a new page that no one experienced is aware of., please file a sockpuppet investigation or report them to WP:ANI if you are sure someone is a sockpuppet. If you are not sure, you have no business repeating your suspicion after the accused has denied it. Making accusations repeatedly without providing evidence violates WP:ASPERSIONS. Please take care not to WP:BITE newcomers. Regards! Usedtobecool ☎️ 13:54, 11 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Please note I have already disengaged from the conversation as per WP:BITE]. The so-called "bullying" is completely fabricated and the user above is a sock for [[Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Umbrellazebra. It's worth mentioning that the user also made sexist comments and discriminatory remarks which I decided to let it go as the user is new. The user proceeded to create a sock account (as above) to further substantiate this false claim. I see that at this point, I can no longer ignore this as this user is taking my willingness to concede as a sign that she can do whatever she wants.Kazuha1029 (talk) 15:05, 11 August 2021 (UTC)

Same is happening with me. Their are two people's who are continuously accusing me of Sock puppetry and copying their style even if I hadn't copied their style nor I am having another account.Kishmish Hu Main Ok (talk)
 * Hello ! Your userpage at User:Kishmish Hu Main Ok is almost an exact copy of User:ManaliJain. Where did you get the idea for it? Usedtobecool ☎️ 13:24, 11 August 2021 (UTC)


 * Nobody is bullying you, you really need to stop saying your partial tales here and there, everywhere. The sock puppetry case is already closed long back because the admins and the check user found no connections between the user accounts. And regarding your editing style, anyone who will have a look at your edits and contributions will make out what's true. You do get involve into plagiarism and you need to accept that. ManaliJain (talk) 14:23, 11 August 2021 (UTC)
 * It seems that most of the major players in this discussion are fairly new or their accounts are fairly new to Wikipedia. Let me first, welcome you all. For those who are experienced, I expect you know the rules. Disagreements are not new to Wikipedia and we have all encountered them. When they begin to have a negative impact on editors and editing then other measures need to be taken to halt it. So, let's do this. Let's step back, take some breaths and re-evaluate the situation. Let's stop using charged wording in our comments towards each other, period. If we have concrete evidence that guidelines and policies were broken then there are venues for such things. Teahouse is not one of those. The sockpuppet investigation against @Kishmish Hu Main Ok and @ManaliJain was, in my opinion, a touch hasty. But that has been resolved so that needs to be dropped by everyone. The other issue between @Applehornet, @Kazuha1029, and @Umbrellazebra can, likewise, be resolved as has been instructed. I would caution all involved that their conduct and interactions between each other will be scrutinized and no one is above reproach. My hope is that you will find a way to resolve this without further intervention. Nevertheless, none of this is a content issue and none of this is related to the Teahouse other than that you have been pointed to the appropriate places to resolve the issue should you not find a way among yourselves. Please remember to assume good faith and understand the purpose for why we all should be here. Happy editing! -- A Rose Wolf  16:32, 11 August 2021 (UTC)


 * User:ARoseWolf: Thank you for your comment. I want to let you know that as an experienced editor, I am not new to disputes on Wikipedia and I have since taken the necessary steps by disengaging the conversation as per WP:BITE, WP:DR. The problem is that the user proceeded to attack my identity and make baseless claims (that I'm somehow bullying her after I pointed out she cannot just revert others edits without explanation or not engaging on talk pages), I admit I bit her. But I was angered because she made a sexist comment on my talk page assuming my gender and said that I would have treated her differently if she were a man. I proceeded to cite English Wikipedia non-discrimination policy and given she was new, I let it go. But as you can see, even after my disengagement, she came on Teahouse and mislead other users such as yourself that there is somehow bullying, which she provided no evidence. Further, this account she is using is most likely a sockpuppet as per investigation ([[Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Umbrellazebra). I don't want to continue on this any longer and have since stopped my discussion with this user. But her persistency in sabotaging my reputation and the continued harassment is something I can not tolerate. I much rather focus on editing and making Wiki a better place (which I've done since disengaging, while she focused on continuing disruption on Wikipedia). I ask if you all could please help me educate her that Wikipedia does not allow sockpuppets and how her behaviour is not adding any value to Wikipedia. Thank you all. -- Kazuha1029 (talk) 17:09, 11 August 2021 (UTC)

Hi all, thank you for responding to my concerns. Not sure why the above user is still persisting in various allegations but I have no interest in getting involved. It was clear to me that they engaged in bullying behaviour towards an inexperienced editor and that’s all. I will not be responding to the above user whose behaviour leads me to believe that baseless accusations will continue to be levelled no matter what. Thanks to everyone else for their input. The above user behaved aggressively towards the newer user and this concerned me. I don’t condone bullying or victim blaming. That’s why I raised the issue and I have nothing to gain from this. If the above user wants to accuse others of sock puppetry to shift focus away from their bullying conduct that’s not my business. I believe I have been as reasonable as possible here. I’d like to say thank you to the Tea House for providing a safe space for this discussion. Applehornet (talk) 00:19, 12 August 2021 (UTC).

ManaliJain Usedtobecool Could you please tell me how my user page is similar as that of @ManaliJain ?Most of the people shows in their user page that They are from which country and their batches, which languages they know, their gender. And their are many other user pages also whose user page is same as mine. And tell me did ManaliJain has written in her talk page like she wants to visit S. Korea, she likes BTS and all How my user page is similar as her? And lemme tell you that ManaliJain made her user page after I made so it could also mean that she has copied my editing style. So without knowing please don't say that I am copying @ManaliJain. I have cleared hundreds of time that I am not copying anyone, not stalking anyone but why old Wikipedians like to irritate some new users??? Kishmish Hu Main Ok (talk)

Removal of edit for "awkward"
An editor removed my edit for being "awkward." This information was researched and documented. Is that a real reason for removing an edit? KazakDexter (talk) 19:42, 11 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Welcome to the Teahouse, . The simple answer is 'Yes', I'm afraid. This edit of yours was reverted because it neither added anything encyclopaedic to the article, nor was it properly formatted. It looks like you accidentally usurped one citation by inserting another one inside it, thus losing the first one. So, yes, awkward is correct. I notice that reverted a couple of your other edits, and this was because you added too much unnecessary information, which didn't really enhance the article in any way. It's all about learning to find a balance between making a useful encyclopaedia entry and not shoving all and everything into it, thus making it a bit of a mess. I hope that explains things. Regards, Nick Moyes (talk) 20:47, 11 August 2021 (UTC)

The fact I didn't know how to respond is a clue -- my idea of learning by doing was not a good one.
 * Actually, I support learning by doing, but in many cases, doing it in a sandbox is best. I have a lot of experience, but I often find myself about to do something I'm not quite sure how to do, so I use my sandbox to test it yes out first.-- S Philbrick (Talk)  01:06, 12 August 2021 (UTC)

Sourcing Question
Hello again!

So I've been reviewing some edit requests, and doing so brought me to the article Tara Strong filmography. The editor in question (2601:241:300:B610:CD92:3111:FE4C:9D2E) requested that I update the years that Tara worked on a particular show. When I went to review the source ([82]), I noticed that it just links to 2 Wikipedia articles and asks the reader to look at the credits sequence at the end of a cited episode. I also observe this to be the case in various other references on the page (e.g [23], [37], [19], etc). However, I see other citations that lead to off-site sources entirely to verify her work on a project (e.g [20], [80], [108], etc).

My question is this: is it standard practice to, as a source for this particular genre of information, refer the reader to a particular episode and reference the credits? If so, if a WP:RS that isn't that exists, would that be an uncontroversial edit?

Thank you for your time! –– Sirdog9002 (talk) 23:17, 11 August 2021 (UTC)
 * @, Generally speaking, some sources such as e-commerce sources may be acceptable to verify statistics but cannot in themselves be used to establish notability for an article. Furthermore if you come across a WP:CIRCULAR source, it is not permissible in any circumstance. Celestina007 (talk) 23:50, 11 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Ah, I was aware that linking directly to Wikipedia as a source was discouraged, but I didn't know offhand the shortcut to a policy written about it. Thank you for that. However, to clarify on my original question: is it ever acceptable to source a particular episode of something and then declare the credits of such an episode to be citation? (such as what source 17 does with the quotation Event occurs at Closing credits.)? –– Sirdog9002 (talk) 00:40, 12 August 2021 (UTC)
 * @, I took a look at the article and went to “Ref 17” and having seen it, that is not an acceptable manner of referencing and that is not a even a “source” a Wikipedia article cannot be used as a source. To answer your question, as long as it is sourced properly, certain episodes can be sourced to substantiate claims or verify statistics but doesn’t count towards notability. For example if I were to create an article on an actor and decide to create a table, include the list of all the movies and adjacent them place a source per WP:FILMOGRAPHY I’m somewhat justified but why do that when I can easily create an WP:EL section and include a link to the IMDb of the subject of the article. Assuming I do substantiate all movie entries if they do not show how WP:NACTOR is met I’m wasting my time, thus theoretically although such sources may be permissible but they do not count towards establishing notability. Celestina007 (talk) 01:10, 12 August 2021 (UTC)

my edit has been deleted
Hi, im new to wikipedia

I was editing https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lady_Bug_(video_game) which currently has information about the arcade game, console ports and a BBC Micro Computer port called bumble bee

There is a new open source port for the BBC Micro Computer that has just been completed and I was editing the page to include this information

At some point my edit disapeared and being new to this system I assumed I had made some mistake while editing so I started again but then my edit vanished and this time I received an alart message

'''Please stop your disruptive editing. If you continue to add unsourced or poorly sourced content, as you did at Lady Bug (video game), you may be blocked from editing. Bbb23 (talk) 18:09, 11 August 2021 (UTC) '''

Why is this happening ? The content is not unsourced/poorly sourced, its a brand new project that has just been completed

Heres two sources — Preceding unsigned comment added by LoveBug2084 (talk • contribs)
 * https://lovebug.ml (the home of the project)
 * https://stardot.org.uk/forums/viewtopic.php?f=53&t=21812 (the full project process from start to finish)
 * An administrator,, was the one who reverted your edit. It looks like they did so because you did not include reliable sources that supported the text you added. Additionally, one or more external links you added have been removed because they seemed to be inappropriate for an encyclopedia. –– 𝗙𝗼𝗿𝗺𝗮𝗹𝗗𝘂𝗱𝗲  talk  19:11, 11 August 2021 (UTC)
 * A) you have to reference as you write. B) neither the company website nor a forum are considered reliable source citations. David notMD (talk) 19:48, 11 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Per the BOLD, revert, discuss cycle, it would be appropriate for you to discuss your suggestions for improvement on the article's talk page: Talk:Lady Bug (video game). Providing independent reliable sources would also be beneficial.  Happy editing!    GoingBatty (talk) 01:18, 12 August 2021 (UTC)

Speedy deletion nomination of Artem Yasynskyy
Hi, can you please help me? In one article I wrote on "Artem Yasynskyy" I got a speedy deletion nomination without any arguments given. I'm quite sure that this is not justified. I could not contest the nomination - what should I do? Thanks!! Ch. Nabe (talk) 21:36, 11 August 2021 (UTC)
 * @, hello and welcome to the Teahouse, I cannot view the article (if it has been deleted)but if you create an article that falls under the confines of what is contained in WP:CSD, your article may be speedy deleted whether or not you contest it especially promotional, blatant copyrights and attack pages. You can however locate the admin who deleted you article and initiate a dialogue with them. Celestina007 (talk) 22:10, 11 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Another editor has removed the speedy tag. RudolfRed (talk) 22:16, 11 August 2021 (UTC)

Thanks! Ch. Nabe (talk) 22:18, 11 August 2021 (UTC)
 * @, thanks for the link @, it appears the article wasn’t actually speedy deleted. Celestina007 (talk) 22:24, 11 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Every fact and award should have a reference, or they should be removed. Happy editing!  GoingBatty (talk) 01:31, 12 August 2021 (UTC)

Move
How to notify at Article B and C that a move discussion regarding them is open at Article A? <span style="font-family:'Linux Libertine','Georgia','Times',serif"> Peter Ormond &#128172;  02:56, 12 August 2021 (UTC)
 * I believe it will depend if Article B and C are being moved to Article A or from Article A. I'm looking over WP:REQMOVE, I believe the instructions are there. –– 𝗙𝗼𝗿𝗺𝗮𝗹𝗗𝘂𝗱𝗲  talk  03:13, 12 August 2021 (UTC)
 * @ 𝗙𝗼𝗿𝗺𝗮𝗹𝗗𝘂𝗱𝗲 : The names of Articles A, B and C are to be changed and that is being disussed solely at the talk page of Article A. So, I need to inform at B and C. <span style="font-family:'Linux Libertine','Georgia','Times',serif"> Peter Ormond &#128172;  03:16, 12 August 2021 (UTC)
 * , I believe you can use this code:
 * NewName –– 𝗙𝗼𝗿𝗺𝗮𝗹𝗗𝘂𝗱𝗲  talk  03:25, 12 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Nevermind, that code only works in talkspace. –– 𝗙𝗼𝗿𝗺𝗮𝗹𝗗𝘂𝗱𝗲  talk  03:28, 12 August 2021 (UTC)
 * A bot should tag the articles within an hour or so of placing Template:Requested move on the talk page of Article A. Article B and C need to be listed in Template:Requested move in order for the bot to tag them as well. –– 𝗙𝗼𝗿𝗺𝗮𝗹𝗗𝘂𝗱𝗲  talk  03:36, 12 August 2021 (UTC)

How to write a page on a topic when there exist less online sources?
KamruzzamannAsif (talk) 03:23, 12 August 2021 (UTC)
 * @KamruzzamannAsif: Welcome to the Teahouse. Sources do not need to be online, so long as they're reliable. — Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 03:40, 12 August 2021 (UTC)

Tenryuu Thanks have a good day KamruzzamannAsif (talk) 03:58, 12 August 2021 (UTC)

Draft Question
Is there any problems with the Draft:Prende TV? ItsJustdancefan (talk) 01:58, 12 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Thank you for wanting to help Wikipedia with a new article, and for putting so much time and effort into your draft. Though you have found a couple of articles from the Los Angeles Times, I suspect most of your references will be considered to be press releases sent out by Prende TV. I didn't find a reference telling what anyone outside of the company has to say about it. Wikipedia is an encyclopedia, and it's important to tell what reliable sources, with no connection to Prende, have written about the streaming platform.
 * Also, your sources state Prende TV will have Spanish language content, but that isn't mentioned in your article. Many who don't watch Spanish language TV won't be familiar with Univision.
 * Perhaps your article is too soon, and it would be better to wait until newspapers and other sources with no connection to Prende TV have a chance to write in-depth articles about it, and state whether it is finding an audience. It may be that in a few months more reliable sources will be available. Best wishes on your Wikipedia work. Karenthewriter (talk) 04:17, 12 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Welcome back @ItsJustdancefan! I would remove the "a lot of" from the last sentence; otherwise the writing looks fine. Make sure the sources say what you have cited them for. That leaves the matter of notability. This, currently #2 in the article, looks like a WP:SIGCOV. If there are a few more, it should get accepted. Looks like this is supposed to be a big thing for the Spanish-speaking demographic in all of US, so it ought to be notable. Regards! Usedtobecool ☎️ 04:23, 12 August 2021 (UTC)

Recovering Deleted Page?
Hello, my Draft was deleted despite the copyright being cleared. I don't understand why. The content has been Public Domain. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:J.T._Patten Can someone retrieve it back please? NPFictionLibrarian (talk) 01:20, 12 August 2021 (UTC)
 * You can make an undeletion request at WP:REFUND, but it is unlikely to be approved without good reason. You may wish to ask for clarification as to why they deleted your draft article. –– 𝗙𝗼𝗿𝗺𝗮𝗹𝗗𝘂𝗱𝗲   talk  01:30, 12 August 2021 (UTC)
 * We can't just take your word for it that "the copyright was cleared" (which is not a very meaningful sentence, sorry) because — and this might surprise you — sometimes, people lie. I do note that Mr Patten's website now has the phrase "[This material is for Public Use]", which I assume is intended to be — but is not actually — a statement licensing the material for use in accordance with Wikipedia's requirements. DS (talk) 02:51, 12 August 2021 (UTC)
 * - the content was duplicated from a prior version of the site that didn't, I believe, even make an attempt at licensing properly. The fact that it's now gone means that even if there was a legitimate disclaimer at the bottom that met our requirements (and it isn't, atm) it still wouldn't apply to that text. Nosebagbear (talk) 05:59, 12 August 2021 (UTC)

auto confirmed user
Please help a newcomer. Too many guides pages on wiki is getting me overwhelmed. I got a notification from wiki saying "you just made your tenth edit, thank you and please keep going". I was under the impression that to get the auto-confirmed status, I would need to edit 11 articles in 4 days? Or did i need to do 11 total edits to get the status? Please guide. Aprism (talk) 08:02, 10 August 2021 (UTC)


 * Your account needs to be four days old. Just a matter of waiting a couple more days and you'll be autoconfirmed! Zudo (talk • contribs) 08:12, 10 August 2021 (UTC)


 * thanks Zudo, can you please tell if i need to do 9 more articles, since i have done 2? Or did it really mean 11 total edits? I'm confused there. Also, will i get a confirmation email from wikipedia, how would i find out? Many thanks. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Aprism (talk • contribs)
 * It's just 4 days and 10 total edits. That's all. If you're using a desktop browser, there's a link for "Contributions" at the top of any page, which shows your own contribution history.
 * ~Anachronist (talk) 08:25, 10 August 2021 (UTC)


 * Hello,, and welcome to the Teahouse. I'd like to give you a word of caution: many of the things that you will be newly allowed to do once you are autoconfirmed are things that I would always advise inexperienced editors not to do. Want to create a new article? you will spare yourself a lot of frustration and disappointment if you don't even attempt this until you have a few months of experience in editing existing articles; and then use the articles for creation mechanism to create a draft (which in fact you can already do). Want to edit a semiprotected article? Please take the time to understand the history, and why the article has been semiprotected, and the relevant Wikipedia policies or, again, you may have a frustrating experience. Have a look whether your proposed edit has already been discussed on the article's talk page - and even if it has, it may be more constructive to propose it on the talk page rather than just going ahead and being bold. Happy editing! --ColinFine (talk) 11:04, 10 August 2021 (UTC)


 * Hi Colin, I did get overwhelm in hardly a few hours over too many guidelines pages and all. I checked a few semi protected pages but knew it wasn't for me to edit, so i won't do those in the first few months atleast. I joined wiki to be autoconfirmed to create a page for my work. What happens if i create it after 4 day, would it go down or something? What are the odds that I wouldn't get it right? thanks for the message. 〜〜〜〜 — Preceding unsigned comment added by Aprism (talk • contribs)
 * Hey,, no idea what happened with your signature there. Maybe someone else will figure it out. It's not a good idea to edit in an area where you have a conflict of interest, and since it's for your employer, this is paid editing, which is even trickier. You've disclosed here, which is good, and you'll also have to disclose on your user page at User:Aprism. There are instructions at WP:COI. A bigger issue is that your employer may not be notable enough for a Wikipedia article, and if it isn't, no amount of work you do will help. Our policies on notability for businesses can be found at WP:NORG. —valereee (talk) 12:14, 10 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Those are apparently wave dashes, probably interchangeable with tildes in some contexts but not in Wikipedia signatures. Usedtobecool ☎️ 15:15, 11 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Hi again, . Yes, there's far too much to assimilate in a short time, which is why I advise going slowly, making small edits to existing articles as you gradually assimilate how it works.
 * I'm afraid that I joined wiki to be autoconfirmed to create a page for my work is a recipe for frustration and disappointment. Basically, that is promotion, which is strictly forbidden on Wikipedia. If ever Wikipedia has an article about your work, the article will not belong to you, will not be for your benefit, will not be controlled by you, will not necessarily say what you want it to say, and should be based almost entirely on what people who have no connection with you have chosen to publish about you and your work, not on what you say or want to say. You are not forbidden to create such an article, but you are strongly discouraged, and if you are going to, you must declare your conflict of interest, and use the articles for creation process to create a draft (which means that autoconfirmation is irrelevant). An article about you is possible only if you meet Wikipedia's criteria for notability - roughly, that several independent people have published significant amounts of material about you - and for you to write it will require you to do the almost impossible task of forgetting everything you know about yourself and your work and writing only what is in those independent sources.
 * If you do go ahead and create an article directly, then the best outcome you can hope for is that somebody will draftify it (so you might as well create a draft anyway). Alternatively, they may delete it, either because they conclude that you do not meet Wikipedia's criteria for notability, or because they think that what you have written is simply advertising.
 * I'm sorry to be so negative, but basically you have come here, as hundreds of other people do, in order to do something which is fundamentally opposed to the principles of Wikipedia. If you drop that goal, and choose to help us create the biggest and best encyclopaedia ever, you are very welcome; but if you hang on to wanting to use it to promote yourself, then you're not going to have a good time. (When you type the four tildes to sign your post, don't put spaces between them: that stops the software recognising it and substituting your signature). --ColinFine (talk) 12:21, 10 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Oh, I may have misunderstood. Aprism, yes, whether you're referring to your employer or your own body of work, you still have a conflict of interest. In the case of your own body of work, it wouldn't be paid editing, but it might be promotional. Either way, as ColinFine says, it's very difficult for a new editor with a COI to understand the process well enough to make it happen in a way that will fulfill policy for us. You can read over the current discussions on this page (which archives any discussion that hasn't been added to in two days; that's how often this comes up) and see that a large number of discussions here are just that: brand new editors whose goal is to create an article for one particular person, organization, or body of work, frustrated because they can't figure out why their draft keeps getting rejected. —valereee (talk) 12:33, 10 August 2021 (UTC)
 * If you post an article directly in mainspace, you accept the consequences of doing so, including deletion, being kicked back to draft, etc. It is for this reason we recommend drafting instead of creating directly in mainspace. —<i style="color: #1E90FF;">A little blue Bori</i>  v^_^v  Jéské Couriano 22:40, 10 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Thanks a lot to all the messages here. I think I should make it clear that it is not for my work as in office, my own, since I'm a content creator, I want to make a page of my website, which would definitely have links to my articles or article pages. I have seen well established content creators with wiki pages that's where I got the idea from. There are a lot of procedures, guidelines and rules here. So I think i'll take my time to first learn about them all, the possibilities, and contacting wiki through email in case it helps through that channel. I'm hoping for responses and directions as clear as a yes or no. Will drop it if it's the latter. But if its the first, every requirement and procedure to go about it. But thanks a lot to all of you for your responses. It does seem wiki is quite a strict platform to these things I never knew till now. Have a great day! Aprism (talk) 06:05, 12 August 2021 (UTC)

How to earn money from Wikipedia?
I want to ask that many people earn from Wikipedia, and I have made so much of edits and I hadn't got any money. So could anyone please tell How we can earn money from Wikipedia? Kishmish Hu Main Ok (talk) 11:16, 11 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Editing Wikipedia is a hobby, not a profession. Editors are volunteers, we are not paid. --bonadea contributions talk 11:21, 11 August 2021 (UTC)


 * Hello,, and welcome to the Teahous. As Bonadea says, Wikipedia is a volunteer project. Nobody at all is paid by Wikipedia to edit it (there are a few paid staff of the Wikimedia Foundation, but editing Wikipedia is not generally part of their work). There are people who offer to edit Wikipedia for pay: I advise you (and anybody else) to keep clear of such people. They are not affiliated with Wikipedia or approved by it. Many of them are scammers. --ColinFine (talk) 12:40, 11 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Repinging -- ColinFine (talk) 12:41, 11 August 2021 (UTC)

Ohk, Thanks for telling ColinFine — Preceding unsigned comment added by Kishmish Hu Main Ok (talk • contribs) 06:43, 12 August 2021 (UTC)

Does Wikipedia exclude realism?
Does (the very idea of) Wikipedia exclude realism, the innocent way of thinking of Pythagoras and others before Aristotle that Reality determines what is true and what is not true?

The realism of Pythagoras, and others before Aristotle, is NOT a philosophical method of reasoning. It is the ongoing process of discovering the truths about Reality which constitute Science. Realism is independent of the discipline Aristotle and his followers chose to call “Philosophy”. Wikipedia represents “Philosophy” in Aristotle’s mistaken sense.

DFSmelbourne (talk) 02:10, 12 August 2021 (UTC)


 * This is such a broad question,, and it seems like you're trying to get at something very specific. I'll answer it as best I can though.
 * Wikipedia does not exclude realism, and it doesn't really exclude any philosophical methods of reasoning. Anyone can make any argument on Wikipedia for any reason (at least, for the most part–obviously we have policies against hate/discrimination, threats, and other disruptive behavior). Sometimes Wikipedia runs into problems with things like Naïve realism, but nonetheless people still make these types of arguments, as Wikipedia doesn't exclude particular ways of reasoning. After all, Wikipedia is a cluocracy. –– 𝗙𝗼𝗿𝗺𝗮𝗹𝗗𝘂𝗱𝗲  talk  02:40, 12 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Wikipedia does not exclude realism, and it doesn't really exclude any philosophical methods of reasoning. Anyone can make any argument on Wikipedia for any reason (at least, for the most part–obviously we have policies against hate/discrimination, threats, and other disruptive behavior). Sometimes Wikipedia runs into problems with things like Naïve realism, but nonetheless people still make these types of arguments, as Wikipedia doesn't exclude particular ways of reasoning. After all, Wikipedia is a cluocracy. –– 𝗙𝗼𝗿𝗺𝗮𝗹𝗗𝘂𝗱𝗲  talk  02:40, 12 August 2021 (UTC)


 * Hello and welcome to the Teahouse.
 * You raise a very general, I would almost say, "philosophical" question, but not a question about how to edit on Wikipedia. The relationship between Wikipedia and truth is mediated by what reliable sources have to say; we are supposed to report what they say, not determine truth.  — jmcgnh (talk) (contribs) 02:43, 12 August 2021 (UTC)


 * To which I would add: If you have a suggestion for or comment on the article Law of excluded middle, please make it at Talk:Law of excluded middle. -- Hoary (talk) 02:49, 12 August 2021 (UTC)


 * Wikipedia doesn't exclude realism, but it holds it at arm's length. The definition of true within WP is reported by reliable sources. The Wikipedia editor sits in a room and reads the newspaper. S/he doesn't look out the window and see that the sky is blue. Instead s/he reads the Guardian and the Times, and if both report that the sky is green, truth for the WP editor is that the sky is green. But this definition of truth is based on the idea that reliable, secondary sources will be true according to a broad range of philosophies, including the straightforward idea that reality determines truth. We rely on the idea that no Times reporter is going to look out the window, see blue, and report green. Elemimele (talk) 07:35, 12 August 2021 (UTC)

FIFA World Rankings
On national team pages, I can't figure out how the FIFA ranking is updated. On Canada's all I saw was | FIFA Rank               =  but i don't know how this works  MattBinYYC (talk) 08:47, 12 August 2021 (UTC)


 * This has been answered at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Football. <b style="color:#0033ab">Joseph</b><b style="color:#000000">2302</b> (talk) 09:35, 12 August 2021 (UTC)

Blaze The Wolf &#124; Proud Furry and Wikipedia Editor (talk) 14:34, 17 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Here's the link to request semi-protection: . Instructions are on the page, it's quite simple. This will prevent IP editors from making changes, and even if the handling admin only semi-protects for a short time, that may be enough to discourage a casual but problematic anonymous editor. Elemimele (talk) 14:36, 17 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Thanks for providing the link! As I said, I use Twinkle which does it automatically when I click the button to request page protection. Blaze The Wolf &#124; Proud Furry and Wikipedia Editor (talk) 14:41, 17 August 2021 (UTC)
 * If I saw a protection request for that article, I would decline it. There is not enough recent disruptive activity (it's only just today), there is only one IP address you are contending with, and that IP address seems to be making good-faith additions and citing sources. You need to resolve your dispute some other way. Engage on the talk page. ~Anachronist (talk) 14:44, 17 August 2021 (UTC)
 * , may i suggest you look back at the past few months on the intro and the anon ip addresses. User, will vouch for me that these ips have constantly kept changing the lead and that is an ongoing issue maybe minor but still ongoing. It needs to stop, the ip is wrong to remove the important content of Borough of St Helens to North East England which is not a county or district. It is a region of England and could be anywhere. It needs to be narrowed down to the borough/district/unitary authority and the county. The anon your looking at must pass different ip addresses as the last one today did the exact same thing as the ones in June, July and August have done. It is always ongoing. Needs to be resolved and me making the case on discussion pages does not mean the anons will comment. Just saying DragonofBatley (talk) 16:40, 17 August 2021 (UTC)
 * The page has now been protected. Blaze The Wolf &#124; Proud Furry and Wikipedia Editor (talk) 18:15, 17 August 2021 (UTC)

Moving Articles from Sandbox
How do I move an article from sandbox to wikipedia? Do i just copy and paste it's contents? Osarjusz (talk) 18:04, 17 August 2021 (UTC) Osarjusz (talk) 18:04, 17 August 2021 (UTC)


 * Actually, there should be a little button at the top of your sandbox that will allow you to send your article to the draftspace for review. Blaze The Wolf &#124; Proud Furry and Wikipedia Editor (talk) 18:13, 17 August 2021 (UTC)


 * I can't find it, may you tell me more exactly where it is? Osarjusz (talk) 18:24, 17 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Blaze assumed that you would have included the user sandbox template in your draft. You hadn't, but I've added it for you.  In doing so, I noticed that in the infobox you have tried to use a number of parameters which don't exist for that infobox.  --David Biddulph (talk) 18:33, 17 August 2021 (UTC)
 * I didn't actually know that was something that wasn't on the page by default. My bad! Blaze The Wolf &#124; Proud Furry and Wikipedia Editor (talk) 19:07, 17 August 2021 (UTC)

BRUH it appeared out of nowhere after i reloaded the page XD


 * Well I'm glad you found it! Blaze The Wolf &#124; Proud Furry and Wikipedia Editor (talk) 18:33, 17 August 2021 (UTC)

Difference between start and stub class
Hello! So, I've been browsing random articles and I've always been confused about the difference between a stub class article and a start class article. Now, I know that every Wikiproject has different specifications for start and stub class articles, but I just want to know what the general difference is as with the naming, it makes me think that any stub class article can be start class and any start class article can be stub class. Blaze The Wolf &#124; Proud Furry and Wikipedia Editor (talk) 19:33, 17 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Like most things, it's more of a judgement call - see WP:STUBDEF and WP:ASSESS. GoingBatty (talk) 19:46, 17 August 2021 (UTC)
 * THank you! WP:ASSESS was very helpful in allowing me to see the difference between them. Honestly it seems like stub and start are very similar with very small differences between them. In fact, start could probably just be skipped in most cases. Blaze The Wolf &#124; Proud Furry and Wikipedia Editor (talk) 19:52, 17 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Yes, the answer is "it depends." For an important article -- say the United States an article of 1,000 words might be considered a "stub."  But a 300 word article about some small village or river might be given a higher rating.
 * Your question gives me the opportunity to express a minor irritation. I've written a few short, i.e. 300 words or so, articles. I believe that a 300 word article can be complete with all relevant encyclopedic material included in that length.  Thus, it is irritating when a rater automatically (and superficially in my opinion) calls a 300 word article a "stub" or a "start." To my mind, a 300 word article can be a C, B, Good, or even Fine article -- depending of course on the importance of the subject matter. Length does not necessarily equal quality.Smallchief (talk) 19:58, 17 August 2021 (UTC)

Blaze The Wolf &#124; Proud Furry and Wikipedia Editor oftentimes a new article of just a few sentences gets expanded to a much longer article, but no one changes the size category, and it remains listed as a stub, even though many people would now consider it a start or a C article. That may confuse readers trying to figure out the difference between a stub or start. When I expand an article I check to see if it would be wise to change the size category. Karenthewriter (talk) 20:24, 17 August 2021 (UTC)
 * To me there's a big difference, . A long article has to be exceptionally bad to be a stub, whereas only the strongest short articles are "start" or higher. 1,500 characters is the "long"/"short" cutoff between stub and start used by many. To advance past the "stub" descriptor, an article can feature several different things: placeholder sections with a sentence of content; reliable sources that aren't yet fully used; a large amount of low-quality (but not irrelevant) content. If an article doesn't do all of these things, then it's not ready for C-class, so that's what Start-class is needed for. (In particular, you need "more than one reliable source" for C-class.)
 * I think experienced editors rarely write Start-class articles because they have either read just a few sources and written a Stub, or they've read a good deal and written a C-class or higher article. In neither case are they going to write irrelevant content or extremely badly-structured information. — Bilorv ( talk ) 20:27, 17 August 2021 (UTC)

Help with Draft:Proctorio
I am here to get some suggestions as to how I can improve my draft article. This is my second draft ever, and it is linked here: Draft:Proctorio. I started this article in June 2021. I wanted to get it done in 2020, but I decided that it was WP:TOOSOON at that point and waited for a year. After that, I found plenty of articles published by reliable sources that talk about the subject. Unfortunately, my article was declined. Initially, I was a bit surprised upon looking at the reviewer’s comments because I never intended to make an WP:ATTACK page. I thought that by having enough reliable sources, as I will prove below, I would be able to prove the subject’s notability and have my article accepted. I was looking through WP: NCORP again and I felt that I met the requirements: Since my submission attempt, I have made improvements to the draft, and I am wondering whether these improvements are good enough for me to try again with the submission process. I believe this because if I try again, I might get a different reviewer and they might have different opinions on the article. If not, I would appreciate any suggestions as to how to improve the draft.N0nuun (talk) 19:26, 17 August 2021 (UTC) N0nuun (talk) 19:26, 17 August 2021 (UTC)
 * All the references are to secondary sources, as they are all news articles.
 * Even before my first submission, I had several WP:RS: The New Yorker (x1), The Guardian (x1), The Verge (x3), and the Washington Post (x1). The article also contains campus newspapers and several borderline sources such as Business Insider and Vice. Since the first submission, I have removed a particularly unreliable source (TechCrunch) and added an article by one that is reliable (Times Higher Education).
 * Most of the articles have clear information about Proctorio, and it plays a key role in the articles' subject.
 * There are virtually no press releases or potentially promotional material cited in the article. When doing research, I encountered lots of press releases and the like but made sure not to cite them. Unfortunately, because I did not use press releases, there is very little information that shows the subject in a positive light.
 * In short, every statement has a source, there is no uncited material, and I am not trying to promote the subject.
 * at AFC we have huge backlogs and very few volunteers, so reviewers can't investigate topics in as much detail as they would like. Here, I think the reviewer is expecting that, like with 9 out of 10 drafts that look like this, the article is being created in revenge by an angry student or maliciously by a rival company. Here at the Teahouse, I'm interested in seeing whether it's the 1 in 10. I do see neutrality issues in statements like "Students have expressed high levels of stress due to the abundance of false positives associated with Proctorio" and "Proctorio has falsely placed the logos of Amazon, Duke University, and Louisiana State University on its website". These statements need attribution. Which students expressed stress, according to what newspaper? And the logos are only "falsely placed" according to some critic (would Proctorio describe itself as "falsely placing" the logos?). I see the sources, but you need to give answers in the prose.
 * I take a slightly more radical position on "Controversy" sections than other editors, but I think most would agree with me that negative content shouldn't be segregated. It cuts both ways—for someone like me who would criticize Proctorio for its racial bias, it's not an ephemeral "controversy" separate from the history of the company or design of the product, but part of that history and design.
 * I would recommend rewriting to subsume all of the content into "History", "Design" and "Overview" sections (or similar) that are not organized by positive/negative tone but by topic. For instance, the "Response" part of the "Controversies" should be presented in the same paragraph as what the company are responding to.
 * Feel free to ping me when you've made improvements because I'm an AFC reviewer and I do think this draft is promising. If sources that give positive coverage of Proctorio are being omitted then they'll also need inclusion, because I'll search for them and won't approve a draft that isn't representative of reliable sources. — Bilorv ( talk ) 20:42, 17 August 2021 (UTC)

Bilingual profile description
Is it possible to make 2 separate descriptions for 2 versions of wikipedia, for example the polish one and the english one? Osarjusz (talk) 20:03, 17 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Welcome to Wikipedia. Each Wikipedia is a seperate project.  If you want to create an article in English, you would add that here.  If you want to create an article in Polish, you would go to the Polish Wikipedia, the help desk for that is at pl:Pomoc:Pytania nowicjuszy RudolfRed (talk) 20:11, 17 August 2021 (UTC)


 * Ah, I forgot about that XD Thanks a lot! Osarjusz (talk) 20:15, 17 August 2021 (UTC)
 * , also please take note of WP:Translation and WP:Translate us. And, I have replaced your obfuscated (and black-listed) URL with an interwikilink: . --ColinFine (talk) 21:37, 17 August 2021 (UTC)

Google Street View Links
It is ok to put Google Street View links in the articles, unfortunately many of the museum articles I have written do not have images, but I can put in the "External Links" section, a link to Google Street View, Google for years has partnered with multiple museums around the world, it may help readers.- Seb { 💬  Talk  + 📝  Edits  } 20:19, 17 August 2021 (UTC)


 * Hello,, and welcome to the Teahouse. I can't find anything that discusses this possibility. If you are satisfied that it meets WP:ELMAYBE, then I'd say, go ahead. The worst that can happen is that somebody disagrees and removes it, and then you can have a discussion. --ColinFine (talk) 21:43, 17 August 2021 (UTC)

Protecting the Dark Souls 2 article
People keep editing the Dark Souls 2 only to make it look like a bad game, which it really isn't. The page also needs images such as gameplay screenshots. Please lock the page to prevent vandalism. Michael Santana9 (talk) 21:29, 17 August 2021 (UTC)
 * @, hello and welcome to the Teahouse, without much investigating into the context what you are looking for can be found here see WP:RFPP and you can ask (with cogent reason) that the article be protected. Celestina007 (talk) 21:40, 17 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Welcome to the Teahouse! To request screenshots, you can go to add Talk:Dark Souls 2 to add yes to WikiProject Video games.  Happy editing!  GoingBatty (talk) 21:47, 17 August 2021 (UTC)

Syntax Error
WinnipegMA (talk) 21:32, 17 August 2021 (UTC) When I put this syntax

The box goes on the bottom of the page even if I put this syntax on the top of the page. I tested it on my sandbox and it did not go on the bottom of the page but if I put it on an actual Wikipedia article it goes on the bottom of the page. I have seen this, the same syntax on other articles and it worked fine.
 * , which of you technical computer brains wants to handle this? Celestina007 (talk) 21:35, 17 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Welcome to the Teahouse! When you start a table with , you need to end it with  . I added it to the table you posted here. Happy editing!  GoingBatty (talk) 21:57, 17 August 2021 (UTC)
 * , I'm not an expert however when I removed the float:left style it seems to have fixed the issue. I made the change in this edit to demonstrate the difference McMatter (talk)/(contrib) 22:24, 17 August 2021 (UTC)

Population of Afghanistan
I see the following in the article about Afghanistan's population: "Afghanistan's population is roughly 34 million.[16] Of these, 15 million are male and 14.2 million are female.[17]"

Something's wrong with the math here. 2600:1702:4760:12E0:59FB:12D1:FC0F:91E2 (talk) 22:35, 17 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the great question and for being a part of Wikipedia. It looks like it says this: "the total number of Afghans living inside Afghanistan was about 26 million[7] and by 2017 it reached 29.2 million. Of this, 15 million are males and 14.2 million are females." This figure appears to exclude Afghan nationals, which are included in the total population count, but not for the population within the border, as is stated. Pyrrho the Skeptic (talk) 22:47, 17 August 2021 (UTC)

John Mitchum -Actor
I was just watching "Tales of Wells Fargo" (S5:E23 A Show from Silver Lode) and thought I knew the actor playing Charlie the Wells Fargo Agent. The actor is John Mitchum (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Mitchum). There is no credit for him on his wikipedia page or on the wikipedia page for "Tales of wells Fargo". If I was more PC savvy, I would help with editing. 135.129.115.7 (talk) 22:58, 17 August 2021 (UTC)
 * If the role was minor there'd be little point to adding it. —<i style="color: #1E90FF;">A little blue Bori</i>  v^_^v  Jéské Couriano 23:14, 17 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Welcome to the Teahouse! If you like, you can post to Talk:John Mitchum and ask then what criteria is being used for the "Select filmography" in the article.  Happy editing!  GoingBatty (talk) 00:41, 18 August 2021 (UTC)

Checking Previous Deletions
Hi, I'm looking to nominate an article for deletion that I believe would be uncontroversial, seeing the lack of sources and notability. However, WP:PROD specifies that I should only nominate an article for PROD if the article has never been nominated for AfD or PROD before. Is there any way I can check if this is the case? I checked the View History and Talk Page of the article, and couldn't find much. I use Twinkle, if that helps. Courtesy Link: Doom Shall Rise

Thanks, Gageills (talk) 01:29, 17 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Generally an AFD discussion will be listed on the article's talk page, at the top. Or better, you can go to the WP:AFD page, scroll down a bit, and type the article name in the search box (it's case-sensitive).
 * In this case it qualified for speedy deletion per WP:A7, so I have deleted it. ~Anachronist (talk) 03:39, 17 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Great! Thanks for the help :-) Gageills (talk) 03:52, 17 August 2021 (UTC)
 * @Gageills hi there, and welcome to the Teahouse! To check for previous AfD discussions, you can use a search query. I made a little page at User:EpicPupper/AfD Search. For example, if you want to search the page you linked, you can put in "intitle:Doom Shall Rise". Do note the "intitle:", this is very important. You can see there on that search that there were no AfDs. In terms of previous PRODs, Twinkle will automatically check for AfD and PROD tags on the talk page (although this is not 100 percent accurate), so you can usually just check the AfDs. Hope this helped! 🐶 EpicPupper (he/him &#124; talk, FAQ, contribs) 03:56, 17 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the assistance! I'll keep that in mind. :-) Gageills (talk) 00:55, 18 August 2021 (UTC)

Should this be renamed?
Should Draft:List of capitals in France be renamed to Draft:List of regional prefectures in France or Draft:List of chef-lieux du région in France (because that's what they are called in France)? [PS: The draft is not yet ready, please do not comment on lack of citations or important information.] Excellenc1📞 16:45, 17 August 2021 (UTC)


 * Hello? Excellenc1📞


 * I would suggest "List of regional prefectures in France" as the draft title, and "List of chef-lieux du région in France" as a redirect once the article is live. It looks like this is the WP:COMMONNAME, and it conforms to existing article titles. It's not necessary to move a draft to another draft title before it is accepted, but there is no reason not to do so, and I think it could be helpful for the AfC reviewer in case they are not familiar with the administrative structure of France. --bonadea contributions talk 08:52, 18 August 2021 (UTC)


 * Yes check.svg Done (Draft:List of regional prefectures in France) Thank you. Excellenc1📞 10:08, 18 August 2021 (UTC)

Finding someone to help me build a Wikipedia page we will provide all research and write the articles for a Doctor Who is deceased.
Dr. George M. Austin (talk) 01:30, 18 August 2021 (UTC)


 * First, see WP:NOTMEMORIAL. Wikipedia is not a memorial site.
 * Second, do it yourself. Go to Articles for creation and follow the instructions about how to create a draft article and submit it for review and approval.
 * Third (and this is important) if you are being compensated in any way, or if you have any conflict of interest with the topic you want to write about, you must disclose this, as you entered into a legally-binding agreement to such disclosure when you created an account here. See WP:PAID. ~Anachronist (talk) 02:09, 18 August 2021 (UTC)
 * "We" suggests a group effort. Accounts are to individuals. Not to say people cannot work with you, but only one person makes actual entry to the draft. David notMD (talk) 02:29, 18 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Separately, if you mean an actor who was in the role as the Doctor on the TV show, then The Doctor (Doctor Who) shows that articles exist for all of the actors who have held this role. David notMD (talk) 02:29, 18 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Hello, . I'm guessing that the Dr Austin is the doctor you wish to write about: if that is so, you must not use the name of a real person for your account unless you are that person. You should stop using that account immediately, and create a new one which is personal to you (you do not have to use your real name for it: I do, but many editors use pseudonyms; but it must not be somebody else's name. You could change the name on that account, but since you have made no other edits, it's easier just to abandon it). Note that Wikipedia will accept an article only if the subject meets Wikipedia's criteria for notability - roughly, that enough has been published about him by people unconnected with him to form the basis of an article. --ColinFine (talk) 09:36, 18 August 2021 (UTC)

Bemused apologies, the errant capitalization of "Who" led me in a very wrong direction. I am now guessing you mean George M. Austin (1916-2002). If true, as advised above, abandon the account you are using. I did find https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/pdf/10.1179/016164103101201517 which may prove useful as a reference. David notMD (talk) 12:31, 18 August 2021 (UTC)

Cars 3 (Original Motion Picture Soundtrack)
I would like to edit Cars 3 (Original Motion Picture Soundtrack) information on wikipedia, I can add the writers information and producer information to the tracklist, thank you HimuEdits (talk) 12:27, 18 August 2021 (UTC)


 * Hello Himu! You can request an edit to the page at the talk page of the page you are wanting to edit! Blaze The Wolf &#124; Proud Furry and Wikipedia Editor (talk) 13:19, 18 August 2021 (UTC)


 * Thank you! I've added all the writers information of cars 3 soundtrack page correctly. :) HimuEdits (talk) 13:26, 18 August 2021 (UTC)
 * No problem! Blaze The Wolf &#124; Proud Furry and Wikipedia Editor (talk) 13:29, 18 August 2021 (UTC)
 * @HimuEdits I have merged your reply onto the actual discussion itself. In the future, when you want to reply to an discussion instead of creating/adding a new one, simply click the [Edit] or [Edit source] beside the discussion heading.  — Paper9oll  (🔔 • 📝)  13:30, 18 August 2021 (UTC)
 * @Paper9oll Okay thank you, i don't know much as I'm new here but I'm learning now and I have edited a lot of stuff here like music albums details and animated movies details and it makes me feel so good:))

Stopping archival
Hello! So I've tried stopping my talk page archival, however despite adding the part to the code that tells it to stop, the archival bot that's running on my talk page still archived my talk page. Anyone know what I'm doing wrong? Blaze The Wolf &#124; Proud Furry and Wikipedia Editor (talk) 13:18, 18 August 2021 (UTC)


 * @Blaze The Wolf You need to add  onto the discussion thread itself as suppose to outside of the discussion thread. Currently, your talk page have 4 discussion thread, if you want to delay all of them then add it to each discussion.  —  Paper9oll  (🔔 • 📝)  13:26, 18 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Oh ok. THank you! Blaze The Wolf &#124; Proud Furry and Wikipedia Editor (talk) 13:28, 18 August 2021 (UTC)
 * @Blaze The Wolf No problem. Happy editing!  — Paper9oll  (🔔 • 📝)  13:31, 18 August 2021 (UTC)

AUDT Coin in Australian ERC-20 History Fund
Hello, Wiki people. I need some help with my coin page. Found a email day before about approving my page, and now it's sppedy deleted. Also I found the same pages with not so cool sources like Category:Ethereum_tokens Aventus Protocol Basic Attention Token Kik Messenger Kodak Coin. Am I right that there is a mistke or I made smth wrong, sir? Vsehmogushiy2 (talk) 10:03, 18 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Speedy-deletes are difficult. The two reasons given are (1) advertising, and (2) not notable. Forget the animal/person bit, the notability criteria apply to everything, including organisations and digital coins. I think you should click the 'contest' button, and also discuss this with David Gerard, who applied the speedy-delete tag. You will need good references indicating that the AUDT coin is notable, which ideally means mainstream news sources discussing it in some depth. Press releases from the company itself won't do. This means also that the sorts of news sources that merely regurgitate press-releases won't prove notability either, and nor will business-lists that merely report turnover or who the latest CEO is. Interviews and YouTube clips are usually unhelpful, unless they are from a reputable, independent news channel, and/or involve acknowledged independent professionals. The perfect source would be an Australian national newspaper, or similar. You must then discuss what aspect of the wording made David Gerard feel that it was promotional. To some extent, if you solve the references problem, the promotion problem will solve itself. If you stick to saying what you can reference with genuinely independent sources, it probably won't sound promotional. Don't be discouraged if the decision remains to delete. This is not a reflection on you, nor is it an eternal decision. This is a fairly new currency, and it may be too soon (i.e. it may be that not enough independent sources have written about it yet, but they will do, over the next few years). A final explanation: the fact that the article was accepted into main-space doesn't unfortunately defend it from being deleted straight away! The acceptance into main-space is a rough screen to remove articles that will definitely get deleted. You wrote the article well enough that it passed the screen. Elemimele (talk) 11:11, 18 August 2021 (UTC)


 * The article Aventus Protocol has far better sourcing than the one you are referring to, and Kik Messenger so much better as to put it in a different world. There is really no comparison with the article you have asked about. Basic Attention Token is not an article, but just a redirect link to another article on a different topic, and there is not, and never has been, an article Kodak Coin. Did you make some kind of mistake when you mentioned those? JBW (talk) 12:41, 18 August 2021 (UTC)


 * Nope KodakCoin. If I undestand trully all other work for Wikipedia Australia or other coins or working in draft page doesn't matter? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Vsehmogushiy2 (talk • contribs) 13:32, 18 August 2021 (UTC)

Translation credits
I have found that when I translate an article I should leave a message like this:

'Content in this edit is translated from the existing French Wikipedia article at fr:Exact name of French article; see its history for attribution'

But where should it be? I can't see anything I post into my draft's submissions history. Osarjusz (talk) 22:17, 17 August 2021 (UTC)
 * I believe you are supposed to place that in the edit summary when you make your edit. Pyrrho the Skeptic (talk) 22:41, 17 August 2021 (UTC)
 * For help about translation, please read Help:Translation. --David Biddulph (talk) 23:04, 17 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Or, briefly: Yes, you must provide a summary like that for the first of your edits; additionally, you should provide more specific information on the talk page of the article that you've created/edited. Yes, this is all explained in Help:Translation (which would be more accurately titled "Both help and requirements for translation"). -- Hoary (talk) 23:44, 17 August 2021 (UTC)
 * To add to what said, use Template:Translated page (ex.  on the talk page and you should be good. Bkissin (talk) 15:59, 18 August 2021 (UTC)

Odd citation
Hello Teahouse hosts. I've come across two citations I merged from one article to another. They are odd, not well done, and I do not know how to mark them. There is a citation to a reliable source, but the citation takes one to the Amazon buy-this-reliable-source page and the other to a publisher. You may view them numbers 35 and 36'''.

So, what are your ideas of how I should note these? Most kind regards, Hu Nhu (talk) 03:16, 18 August 2021 (UTC) Hu Nhu (talk) 03:16, 18 August 2021 (UTC)


 * What now cites reference 35 is "The latitude of the landing was indicated at 38° North in the official State-sanctioned account published as a chapter in Richard Hakluyt’s Principal Navigations in 1589." The reference is to a page on Cambridge UP's website advertising a recent reprint of something that I'd guess (but don't know) would be "the official State-sanctioned account". Unsurprisingly, the web page doesn't say that the latitude of the landing was indicated at 38° North. Therefore this "reference" is near-useless. What now cites reference 36 is "The manuscript draft of this chapter recently identified in the British Library as an abstract from the chaplain’s journal indicated the landing at 44° North." Reference 36 is to a retailer. I confess that I haven't read the entire page, but neither of the strings "British Library" or "44" appears anywhere in it. Therefore this "reference" is a fraud. (And even if it did back it up, Wikipedia shouldn't depend on a retailer's say-so.) I'd comment on the talk page, wait a couple of weeks, and then, if there's no reasoned, persuasive disagreement, remove these and any other worthless or fraudulent references. That's because worthless "references" are worse than no references: the former lull the moderately attentive reader into assuming that all of this is backed up somewhere; the latter warn the reader who's at least moderately attentive not to be credulous. -- Hoary (talk) 04:49, 18 August 2021 (UTC)


 * Many thanks . You well articulate my concerns. I've linked this conversation to Talk:Fringe theories on the location of New Albion and alerted the original editor. I do believe the editor can correct them if the editor actually locates the particular books.  Kind regards,Hu Nhu (talk) 15:59, 18 August 2021 (UTC)

How to write a proper Biography article of an Author?
How to write a proper Biography article of an Author? Techprecious (talk) 12:35, 18 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Find acceptable sources. These are going to be sources that (1) have professional editorial oversight that fact-checks, retracts, and discloses, (2) discuss the subject at length, and (3) haven't been directly influenced by the subject, their goons, or their money.
 * Tell anyone screaming from on high to shut up and stay out of the way, and make sure to publicly disclose any such employee/client or contractor/client relationships publicly on your userpage.
 * Forget everything you know about the subject and write the article using only information the sources explicitly provide. Do not promote, editorialise, or include random details about whether they prefer football or cricket. Make sure to source everything that could potentially be challenged for any reason. —<i style="color: #1E90FF;">A little blue Bori</i>  v^_^v  Jéské Couriano 13:47, 18 August 2021 (UTC)
 * And don't WP:COPYPASTE from sources. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 17:23, 18 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Courtesy: Draft:Tarun Bhatnagar. In the future, do not ask here and at Help, as that wastes volunteers' time. David notMD (talk) 18:09, 18 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Courtesy: Draft:Tarun Bhatnagar. In the future, do not ask here and at Help, as that wastes volunteers' time. David notMD (talk) 18:09, 18 August 2021 (UTC)

Request another editor to look at an article
Hello! So I'm wanting to know where I would go to request another editor to take a look at a specific article. I'm having some issues with an article currently with some IPs adding information that I have no clue whether or not it's true or constructive due to my lack of knowledge on the subject of the article. Blaze The Wolf &#124; Proud Furry and Wikipedia Editor (talk) 17:53, 18 August 2021 (UTC)
 * @Blaze The Wolf WP:PEERREVIEW. &#8213; Qwerfjkl  talk  17:57, 18 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Thank you! Blaze The Wolf &#124; Proud Furry and Wikipedia Editor (talk) 18:17, 18 August 2021 (UTC)

Can I make someone else's draft?
Can I extend this draft and publish it? Excellenc1📞 07:09, 17 August 2021 (UTC)
 * , there's no rule against your extending it. Its creator (who does not "own" it) hasn't edited it for two months, and may have lost interest in it. However. I'm not confident it can ever qualify as a published list. Maybe another Teahouse host can advise? Maproom (talk) 07:28, 17 August 2021 (UTC)


 * I don't understand what encyclopedic value an expanded version would have. -- Hoary (talk) 07:35, 17 August 2021 (UTC)
 * @Excellenc1 The United Nations Group of Experts on Geographical Names publishes a list of Country's formal and informal names in various languages including French, which you can find here. I am unsure if this would comply with Stand-alone lists or not though. Shushugah (he/him • talk) 12:47, 17 August 2021 (UTC)
 * @Excellenc1I also found this existing list List of country names in various languages, which I found by searching Category:Lists of country names in various languages ~ Shushugah (he/him • talk) 12:53, 17 August 2021 (UTC)
 * @Excellenc1, @Maproom, @Hoary, @Shushugah: As French is an official language of the Olympic Games, the list may have value if it was linked to that aspect. You could include the Olympic country code in an extra column, and maybe the ISO code for comparison. List of participating nations at the Summer Olympic Games has English but not French names, and I'd be reluctant to add another column to that massive table to hold the French name. I don't really want to see 3000 "List of country names in XX language", but could French be a special case? Should such a list include the full official name, e.g. Commonwealth of Australia, Australia, Australie? ⁓ Pelagic ( messages ) 18:44, 18 August 2021 (UTC)

How to contact another contributor?
I found some reliably-sourced information to enhance a person's page, which has been heavily updated by another contributor. I would like to discuss this with them out of courtesy for the work they've been doing. What is the proper way to contact them? Post on their talk page? Thanks.

<a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Julie_Maddalena"</a>

--Joeythegimp (talk) 17:55, 18 August 2021 (UTC) Joeythegimp (talk) 17:55, 18 August 2021 (UTC)
 * You are correct. Leave a message on their talk page. Happy editing! Pyrrho the Skeptic (talk) 18:34, 18 August 2021 (UTC)

Thank you, Pyrrho! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Joeythegimp (talk • contribs) 18:48, 18 August 2021 (UTC)

Replying changed?
Hello! So I was about to reply to a comment when I noticed that the replying thing I'm using changed a little and looks a bit different. Is this a new thing or have I just been oblivious to it this entire time? Blaze The Wolf &#124; Proud Furry and Wikipedia Editor (talk) 12:53, 17 August 2021 (UTC)


 * Also, just so everyone knows what I mean, I'm talking about the button that say reply on it. Blaze The Wolf &#124; Proud Furry and Wikipedia Editor (talk) 13:02, 17 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Actually, now that I'm looking at it, some other things on Wikipedia have been restyled. Was there a restyling of Wikipedia I didn't know about? Blaze The Wolf &#124; Proud Furry and Wikipedia Editor (talk) 13:05, 17 August 2021 (UTC)


 * No idea which button you mean because there are so many different skins and customisations, and some people use the Visual Editor and others don't, and some people use editing apps on a mobile device and others use a browser, and so on... in any case, the Wikimedia people do tweak and change things around from time to time. For instance, there was some kind of update last week that suddenly caused a "responsive mode" to be the default for browsers on a mobile phone across all Wikimedia projects, which was an awful and tedious experience, until I managed to find a way to turn it off for myself as a global preference. The technical Village Pump board is a good place to ask about sudden and unexpected changes in the editing interface, especially if the changes make it harder to edit! --bonadea contributions talk 15:31, 17 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Ah ok! And I'm fairly sure the reply button is just something you opt in to under preferences or something. But thank you for pointing me in the right direction! Blaze The Wolf &#124; Proud Furry and Wikipedia Editor (talk) 16:27, 17 August 2021 (UTC)
 * I presume you mean the Beta tool. &#8213; Qwerfjkl  talk  16:58, 17 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Yes I do. Blaze The Wolf &#124; Proud Furry and Wikipedia Editor (talk) 17:33, 17 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Hi, Blaze! Could it be that you switched between the Source and Visual modes of the Reply Tool? Also, they added the toolbar to the source mode a little while ago. I haven't noticed other restyling, but I mostly use Timeless skin. ⁓ Pelagic ( messages ) 18:53, 18 August 2021 (UTC)
 * No, I remain in source mode when using the reply tool. I think the toolbar is what I'm seeing that's new. Blaze The Wolf &#124; Proud Furry and Wikipedia Editor (talk) 18:57, 18 August 2021 (UTC)

A question and a comment - there is no legal situation - do not be alarmed
A question and a comment - there is no legal situation - do not be alarmed. One mod seems to be either used to a different legal system or is simply mistaken in his understanding of the law. He thinks that we have escalated a certain situation to be a legal one AND that we are making legal threats. All I was saying there was that there is a way something would be viewed in the Indian Legal System.

This is in reference to edits made to the following page: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fermi_paradox#:~:text=The%20Fermi%20paradox%2C%20named%20after,estimates%20for%20the%20Drake%20equation).

This could easily to be handled with a great deal of civility and without undue worry for your side in terms of legal action. I ask that your mod stop offering conclusions and opinions as though they were facts. If you are open to discussion, we can chat. But we don't like to be told that we are spamming any one or any forum. If that is your position, then let it be known that we have our position on this matter also, and this is our legal position on this matter also.

Please feel free to send us email. You will find us quite reasonable.

Qwykrtechsupport (talk) 16:50, 17 August 2021 (UTC)
 * This is now at ANI, and that was a legal threat. See WP:NLT -Roxy the grumpy dog . wooF 16:57, 17 August 2021 (UTC)
 * We are not "unduly worried" about legal action; indeed I doubt anyone here is worried at all. But your claim "we are quite confident that we would win in an Indian court" was a legal threat, and has been treated accordingly. Maproom (talk) 18:50, 17 August 2021 (UTC)

UPDATE: Indef blocked. Watch for IP: as Q posted at least once not signed in. David notMD (talk) 22:07, 17 August 2021 (UTC)

Well, that was one of the more bizarre incidents I've seen on w:en. Maybe I need to get around more (or not). ⁓ Pelagic ( messages ) 19:59, 18 August 2021 (UTC)

How to contribute to Disney article
Kayle123 (talk) 20:00, 18 August 2021 (UTC) Hello, Kayle123, and  welcome to Wikipedia! 
 * To get started on Wikipedia in general, click on the green welcome.
 * After familiarizing yourself with Wikipedia and how to contribute, you're welcome to begin making or suggesting edits to most articles, including Disney articles. Feel free to return to here if you have more specific questions along your journey. See you around! Pyrrho the Skeptic (talk) 21:18, 18 August 2021 (UTC)

New-York Central College article
For some reason there is a hyphen between New and York in the title and other places in this article- I removed the hyphens where I could but can not get the hyphen out of the title

How is this done? Is an account required? The incorrect hyphen is also on the following pages:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:New-York_Central_College

New-York Central College alumni‎ (8 P) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:New-York_Central_College_alumni

New-York Central College faculty‎ (5 P) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:New-York_Central_College_faculty

Thank you for your help 67.249.88.229 (talk) 20:48, 18 August 2021 (UTC)
 * The hyphen appears to be correct in the name of the short-lived college. See []. You're better off discussing on the college's talk page. Perhaps add a hidden note to future editors who want to remove the hyphens, as you did. <b style="color:#7F007F">TimTempleton</b> <sup style="color:#800080">(talk)  <sup style="color:#7F007F">(cont)  21:21, 18 August 2021 (UTC)

Want Guides on How to Publish a Post on Wikipedia
Hello..I'm new to this Site. I am a good article writer, and I need Help on how to publish a post on Wikipedia. I wrote a post and published it earlier but it seemed as if it was not Published by Wiki. I need help on the right ways to publish an acceptable post. Emmy Rey (talk) 18:53, 18 August 2021 (UTC)


 * @Emmy Rey, hello and welcome to the Teahouse! I assume you mean what we call a Wikipedia article. This is difficult for a beginner but here is some guidance: Pick a topic that meets the demands at WP:GNG. If you don't have the sources demanded there, what you write will be removed. Next, learns how to add inline citations correctly, this is essential. WP:TUTORIAL and WP:REFBEGIN can help with that. Guidance on how to start an article is at WP:YFA, and if you intend to wrtite about a living person, read WP:BLP as well. Good luck! Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 19:32, 18 August 2021 (UTC)
 * To be specific, it appears that you want to create an article about either William Kumuyi or Deeper Christian Life Ministry. Both of these already exist. You have done some editing on the latter. David notMD (talk) 21:52, 18 August 2021 (UTC)

Syntax
Is there any way I can see all syntaxes usable in Wikipedia? WinnipegMA (talk) 21:34, 18 August 2021 (UTC)
 * WinnipegMA, we have a convention whereby we sign at the end of a comment (and optionally put the name of the addressee at the start. As an editor of Wikipedia, you use Mediawiki markdown syntax, and a limited range of HTML and CSS. Please see Help:Cheatsheet. -- Hoary (talk) 21:42, 18 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Hi . You can try looking at Help:Wikitext. It may not cover everything, but it seems to cover quite a lot of what's commonly used. Finally, I've re-organized your question a bit. For future references, it's better to add your signature to the end of your posts and not the beginning like you did when you posted the above. -- Marchjuly (talk) 21:48, 18 August 2021 (UTC)
 * How do I add my signature below? — Preceding unsigned comment added by WinnipegMA (talk • contribs) 21:53, 18 August 2021 (UTC)
 * You write your comment or question or whatever. Then you hit the spacebar once, and then you hit "~" four times in a row. -- Hoary (talk) 22:28, 18 August 2021 (UTC)

Contributions
WinnipegMA (talk) 21:16, 18 August 2021 (UTC)

How do I see my user contributions without clicking the Contributions button on the top right corner?
 * You can use this URL, with your username at the end, like this: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/WinnipegMA Pyrrho the Skeptic (talk) 21:30, 18 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Hi WinnipegMA. See Keyboard shortcuts for a way to use the keyboard for this and other things. The access key for your contributions is y. PrimeHunter (talk) 23:00, 18 August 2021 (UTC)

Sandbox
Is there a limit in how much you can edit your sandbox. If there is what is the number and can you get blocked from editing too much in your sandbox? WinnipegMA (talk) 21:44, 18 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Hi . There's no firm limit on "how much" you can edit your sandbox, but your sandbox will need to comply with Wikipedia:User pages like any other page in your username space. For the most part, editors are given a bit of leeway when it comes to their sandboxes, but anything clearly inappropriate can be removed per Wikipedia:User pages. Moreover, if you spend too much time in your sandbox in what appears to be unrelated to helping improve Wikipedia, then other editors might begin to think you're editing for the wrong reasons. -- Marchjuly (talk) 21:55, 18 August 2021 (UTC)
 * 900 centigrade is definitely not 482 Fahrenheit. But if you want to say it is in your sandbox, there's no rule against it. Maproom (talk) 23:20, 18 August 2021 (UTC)

Dayton, Texas needs more help than I know how to give
Hello Again. I am starting to feel like an old timer who still hasn't learned enough to advance passed beginner. I did look through a lot of help articles before I ended up back here, because they made me more confused than when I started. Here's the situation:

One of my friends sent me a link to Dayton, Texas with the message, "Help! Can you fix this?" I went and checked it out, and someone had completely broken the code tags such that the "info box" was just a bunch of code at the top of the page. I hunted through and cleaned up the code so it would show up right, and sent my friend an "All done" message. They fired back 5 minutes later with, "Did you notice that the "History" section is a direct cut-and-paste from "Handbook of Texas"? I sighed, and went to check. Sure enough, word for word, but the edit that did it was from 12 Oct 2006. A handful of edits since have slightly altered the wording but it is essentially a direct quote from a copyrighted website. Short of rewriting the article myself (which if I carve out enough time I might do), how does this get handled/fixed? And before you ask, the talk page (I think) does not contain any human (not bot/admin) contributions so clearly no humans are looking at the talk page. (PS They did not even cite the copied source Dayton, TX on Texas State Historical Association "Handbook of Texas") Katrazyna (talk) 21:43, 18 August 2021 (UTC)

C4, TNT, gunpowder.... copyright infringement is copyright infringement. Sometimes content is in Wikipedia first, copied elsewhere without attribution, but the source you identified predates Wikipedia. Interestingly, a copyright check turned up a website with a lot of duplicate content, but that one is likely a copy of Wikipedia. David notMD (talk) 22:17, 18 August 2021 (UTC)


 * @David notMD Ok... I think I have the idea. I deleted the direct quote, and replaced it with an extremely brief summary with citation. It probably needs a lot more help that I don't currently have time for but the copyrighted material is gone... I think. Is that more or less what should have happened? Katrazyna (talk) 23:25, 18 August 2021 (UTC)
 * You cut the content and ref'd the Handbook. Excellent. David notMD (talk) 23:31, 18 August 2021 (UTC)

Can I use this signature?
Excellenc1 (<b style="color:#C32148">talk</b>) 11:50, 18 August 2021 (UTC)


 * Fine for me. It corresponds with your textual Username and is accessible to Screen readers. Shushugah (he/him • talk) 11:55, 18 August 2021 (UTC)

, is it so that only experienced editors/teahouse hosts are supposed to have fancy signatures (ones with background colour, font colour and/or emojis)? Excellenc1 (<b style="color:#C32148">talk</b>) 15:10, 18 August 2021 (UTC)


 * @Excellenc1 There are no rules about that whatsoever! Do as you please! Ultimately collectively our goal here is to Build an encyclopedia, but if people have some fun/self expression along the way, that cannot hurt :) Shushugah (he/him • talk) 15:57, 18 August 2021 (UTC)
 * @Excellenc1: While anyone may choose to create a custom signature, make sure that it abides by custom signature guidelines and policies. — Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 23:51, 18 August 2021 (UTC)

Association Football National Team's Results section
I wanted to know what is the standard template used for a national football team page's results section? The template on Indian national football team has been edited saying that it's the new template, but according to WikiProject Football/National teams it's still the old one. Footy2000 (talk) 04:22, 18 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Welcome to the Teahouse! If you don't receive an answer here, you might want to ask on Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Football.  Happy editing!  GoingBatty (talk) 00:15, 19 August 2021 (UTC)

Unintelligible content
I'm a newly enrolled Wikipedia editor, although I've been a professional editor in 'realspace' for many years. Over time, I've picked up the skill of figuring out what people are trying to get at, even when their text is so riddled with errors that the average person would not be able to make sense of it. However, I recently read a section in one of the published articles that defeated me. The grammar and syntax in the whole section was so dislocated that it left no workable clue to the author's intended meaning. Any attempt at deduction would have been sheer guesswork! What does one do in a case like that? Editingfrank (talk) 00:17, 19 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Thanks for trying to help. You can fix it (best solution), or flag (template) it for needing copy editing. See Template index/Cleanup for templates. <b style="color:#7F007F">TimTempleton</b> <sup style="color:#800080">(talk)  <sup style="color:#7F007F">(cont)  00:21, 19 August 2021 (UTC)


 * WP:TNT, perhaps. Please specify the article. -- Hoary (talk) 00:23, 19 August 2021 (UTC)