Wikipedia:Teahouse/Questions/Archive 1135

Dispute over year of birth
In the article Shivangi Joshi there is a dispute over her year of birth. Majority of the sources indicate that she was born in 1995 but few sources indicate that she was born in 1998. According to her recent interview she said that the year in her Wikipedia article is wrong and she was born in 1995, but the interview is in YouTube. We're currently discussing it in the article's talk page because of the frequent edit war. I want to add both the year in the article per WP:DOB. But I'm not sure how to include both the years in the article. Should I do it how it is done in Shehnaaz Gill's article? I don't know if this a correct platform to ask this question. If it is not then please tell where should I ask this question. The editors who are discussing this including me don't have enough knowledge to solve this issue. Should I start a RfC or is there a better option? Eevee01(talk) 15:43, 14 December 2021 (UTC)


 * @Eevee01 The talk page is the right place. An option is WP:Third opinion if it cannot be settled. Alternatively, considering this is WP:BLP you can omit the birth year entirely. It's not essential information, and the harm of spreading misinformation is higher. ~ 🦝 Shushugah (he/him • talk) 16:30, 14 December 2021 (UTC)
 * @Shushugah Since more than 2 editors are involved in the dispute (other editors didn't reply in the talk page) I don't think third opinion is the right place. I think BLP noticeboard is a better option here or should I go to the dispute resolution noticeboard? Eevee01(talk) 06:06, 15 December 2021 (UTC)
 * @Eevee01 WP:BLPN does not make sense considering none of this seems to be libelous/defamatory. However, re-reading your comments (sorry I missed this) the WP:DOB does very clearly state that both years should be included with their relevant sources. Consensus/discussion is good, but in this case the policy is also quite clear. ~ 🦝 Shushugah (he/him • talk) 12:24, 15 December 2021 (UTC)
 * @Shushugah Thanks for your help. Per the talk page discussion we've decided to wait for more sources before adding both the dates. Eevee01(talk) 07:36, 16 December 2021 (UTC)

How to invoke the "[a]" note feature
Hello, the note template "efn", how do you get the hatnote "[a]" to appear, so that when you move the mouse pointer to it for PC or tap on the "[a]" on a touchscreen device, a note would appear. Polygork (talk) 09:56, 14 December 2021 (UTC)


 * Hi Polygork, Template:Efn is the way to do that. If you read the documentation on that page it should give you a clear idea of how it works. ThadeusOfNazerethTalk to Me! 10:12, 14 December 2021 (UTC)


 * ThadeusOfNazerethTalk to Me! I've checked the page, read through them and used one of them on the article I'm editing, but it's still citing an error like this: "Expression error: Unrecognized punctuation character " "." How do/will I remove/rectify that? Polygork (talk) 20:20, 15 December 2021 (UTC)
 * If you tell us what article you're editing, we'll be better able to diagnose the error. ClaudineChionh (talk – contribs) 22:16, 15 December 2021 (UTC)


 * Actually, they're two but of the same topic: the 2021 CAF Women's Champions League and 2021 CAF Women's Champions League qualifying. That error is there right now. Polygork (talk) 09:26, 16 December 2021 (UTC)

Requesting review of submitted edits
Hello!

I'm am new to editing on Wikipedia, so I'm still trying to figure out the way things go. I have just made my first major edit to a page, and would love to receive your feedback,  and possibly come in contact with a few people who are willing to help me in the learning process.

I'm familiar with citation, but wasnt sure how to link the citation to the appropriate information within the article, or how to use tags within the article to hyperlink or create sections, etc. In other words,  i see a level of intricacy to the embedded coding of the article which I'm not familiar with using,  but not entirely clueless either. I think it's just a matter of using something new, and needing some personable guidance.

The wiki page in question is "Hualapai Mountains" (Arizona). I've submitted a similar post on the talk section there in hopes of opening a discussion on the edits I made, how to improve,  etc. Spencer-Nägy (talk) 23:38, 15 December 2021 (UTC)
 * I left some info on your talk page. TimTempleton (talk) (cont)  00:23, 16 December 2021 (UTC)

I think I have a much better grasp on how to format the pages now, although, I'm sure there are things I have missed, or are not aware of. I feel I have a done a decent job, but I am hoping someone might review my most recent edits to the page, and provide any feedback. Thanks. Spencer-Nägy (talk) 07:11, 16 December 2021 (UTC)
 * You added content to Hualapai Mountains without providing references. Even if the content is true, standard practice should be for an editor to revert everything.David notMD (talk) 10:34, 16 December 2021 (UTC)

Need help for publishing my first article
Sir!

I have written an article about Pir Allauddin Siddiqui, a great scholar and Sufi saint of Nerian Sharif Azad Kashmir. But when I send it for approve, it is not accepted and declined by editors.

What can I do now? Please guide and help in this regard.

I shall be very thankful to you.... Ak131001 (talk) 07:14, 16 December 2021 (UTC)

Ak131001 (talk) 07:34, 16 December 2021 (UTC)


 * Ak131001, you're asking about User:Ak131001/sandbox. It most recently got the comment: "This submission's references do not show that the subject qualifies for a Wikipedia article—that is, they do not show significant coverage (not just passing mentions) about the subject in published, reliable, secondary sources that are independent of the subject [...]".


 * The references don't show anything, because they can't. And they can't, because they don't exist.


 * You got another comment : "Still unsourced".


 * You have to indicate which part of the article derives from which published, reliable, secondary source.


 * Please read, digest, and act on Help:Referencing for beginners. -- Hoary (talk) 08:33, 16 December 2021 (UTC)
 * If the article is about one person, why do you consitently use "They"? David notMD (talk) 10:39, 16 December 2021 (UTC)
 * Ahead of the curve; I mean, ahead of the shift. -- Hoary (talk) 12:42, 16 December 2021 (UTC)

How can i publish a article
how can i make a wiki page i have aritten a article but its not published how can i publish it Dvykhsl (talk) 12:05, 16 December 2021 (UTC)
 * Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. You may use Articles for Creation to create and submit a draft; be advised that successfully creating a new article is probably the hardest task to perform on Wikipedia, and it is usually recommended to first gain experience and knowledge about the process by first editing existing articles in areas that interest you, to get a feel for how Wikipedia operates, and also to use the new user tutorial.
 * I'm not clear on which text you are referring to; you have edits on your user page, which is not article space, but a place to tell about yourself as a Wikipedia editor. Your sandbox is currently blank, though it had edits there in the past. 331dot (talk) 12:08, 16 December 2021 (UTC)
 * What you had on your User page was Speedy deleted, so there is not history of it in your Contributions. If that content was meant to be an article, you can request to get it from the Administrator who deleted it. David notMD (talk) 14:43, 16 December 2021 (UTC)

Redlink template?
What is the template that removes a redlink but automatically links to it when the article is created? I saw it but forgot what it was called. The Tips of  Apmh  14:28, 16 December 2021 (UTC)
 * Hi The Tips of Apmh. Link if exists does that. PrimeHunter (talk) 14:49, 16 December 2021 (UTC)
 * Thanks a lot. -- The Tips of  Apmh  15:14, 16 December 2021 (UTC)

Draft:OneZoom
Hello, i'm making a draft for the OneZoom company but it got rejected once already cuz it doesn't have any creditable sources (i know you have heard this one a thousand times before). I want some guidence on what sources i should use, because it was a bit hard to find some sources that aren't OneZoom.org itself. Thanks! Dontuseurrealname (talk) 14:45, 16 December 2021 (UTC)


 * hello you want to find reliable sources, if you cant find any then your article may not be notable, and may have to be deleted. ― <b style="background:#000;color:#f07b3a;padding:1q;border-radius:5q;">Kaleeb18</b>Talk<sub style="position:relative;right:20q;margin-right:-15px;">Caleb 15:04, 16 December 2021 (UTC)


 * Well, it doesn't really fir anywhere, and i could make for an interesting article. Also, do you know anywhere that i could find Data Statistics? Dontuseurrealname (talk) 14:45, 16 December 2021 (UTC)
 * @Dontuseurrealname No I do not not know where you can find data statistics. Did you mean it or i could make for an interesting article, because making an article about yourself is highly discouraged on Wikipedia. If you meant it, than it doesnt matter if the article is interesting or not it must have reliable sources and must be notable or it could be deleted. ― <b style="background:#000;color:#f07b3a;padding:1q;border-radius:5q;">Kaleeb18</b>Talk<sub style="position:relative;right:20q;margin-right:-15px;">Caleb 15:17, 16 December 2021 (UTC)
 * An example of a good source might be one like this one and maybe this one ― <b style="background:#000;color:#f07b3a;padding:1q;border-radius:5q;">Kaleeb18</b>Talk<sub style="position:relative;right:20q;margin-right:-15px;">Caleb 15:36, 16 December 2021 (UTC)
 * To qualify for an article on Wikipedia you need to show that this company has been the subject of significant coverage in independent, reliable sources, you should be looking for things like news articles, magazine pieces, or coverage in books, see WP:NORG. To be accepted and avoid the article being deleted a general rule is that you need a minimum of WP:THREE such pieces of coverage. At the moment the sources consist of a preview written by the company, the companies own website, and the personal websites of people involved in the company - none of these sources are considered to be independent and as such do not demonstrate why the company is notable. 192.76.8.80 (talk) 15:39, 16 December 2021 (UTC)

Pizza
2A02:C7D:8EC:9B00:45E7:A1B2:B2AF:5548 (talk) 15:55, 16 December 2021 (UTC)


 * hello Welcome to the Teahouse, this is a place for questions did you have one? ― <b style="background:#000;color:#f07b3a;padding:1q;border-radius:5q;">Kaleeb18</b>Talk<sub style="position:relative;right:20q;margin-right:-15px;">Caleb 15:56, 16 December 2021 (UTC)

How to make an essay and new talk page
I want to make an essay explaining our use of we/us/our pronouns, but I'm unsure how. Not only this, I want to make a talk page where people can ask about our disorder, use of we/us pronouns, our system roles, ETC. Help? -Janis TheHamiPotterGeek (talk) 05:17, 16 December 2021 (UTC)
 * You should be able to kill two birds with one stone by making a subpage of your userspace at "User:TheHamiPotterGeek/(title)", with the subpage being where you explain the situation and its associated talk page being where you can entertain reasonable questions about it. (For the record, I'm reading the relevant conversation here above ) . Something like this is widely accepted as a legitimate use of subpages in userspace. —<i style="color: #1E90FF;">A little blue Bori</i>  v^_^v  Jéské Couriano 05:22, 16 December 2021 (UTC) Archived.—  Vchimpanzee  •  talk  •  contributions  •  22:40, 14 July 2023 (UTC)
 * You can easily start the page in one of 2 ways. By going to your userpage and in the URL, adding /(title) after your username, or by simply linking to it and then clicking on the red link like this, User:TheHamiPotterGeek/(title) (obviously you would replace title with what you want to title the subpage). ― <b style="background:#0d1125;color:#51aeff;padding:1q;border-radius:5q;">Blaze The Wolf</b>Talk<sub title="Discord Username" style="margin-left:-22q;">Blaze Wolf#6545 16:02, 16 December 2021 (UTC)

Biased article on Hugh Hewitt
Please review your article on Hugh Hewitt. It appears to focus only on his fails and not his successes. Chief among the omissions, is not mentioning the "Hillsdale Dialogues" in any way in the article. It seemed the author was angry and spiteful towards Mr. Hewitt. Thank you for your time. 47.150.26.238 (talk) 15:47, 16 December 2021 (UTC)
 * Wikignome Wintergreen talk 15:50, 16 December 2021 (UTC)


 * Hello and welcome, First of all the article can be edited by anyone so there isnt just one author. Secondly the information we put in articles come from reliable sources not what we think about the person or thing. ― <b style="background:#000;color:#f07b3a;padding:1q;border-radius:5q;">Kaleeb18</b>Talk<sub style="position:relative;right:20q;margin-right:-15px;">Caleb 15:53, 16 December 2021 (UTC)
 * There is no "author." The article Hugh Hewitt dates back to 2004. Since then, there have been nearly 1,000 edits, by scores of editors. David notMD (talk) 16:30, 16 December 2021 (UTC)


 * If you believe there is missing information, and have independent reliable sources to support it, please offer your proposed changes on the article talk page. 331dot (talk) 16:35, 16 December 2021 (UTC)

Just confused whether Nikhil Prasad notable or not ?
Hi TH, I recently created an article Nikhil Prasad who invented the first-ever digital platform in Kerala, India and established it as the top digital platform. The company Karikku is very popular and known for their first series Thera Para. The founder directs, writes, produces, and edits the videos for Karikku. I believed that the article will meet WP:Creative. But a user nominated the article here with a note that fails WP:GNG. Also he nominated the page Karikku. So my question is does my article notable or not, or what should I do to keep the article if I missed something?  O n m yw a y 22   talk 11:01, 16 December 2021 (UTC)
 * , it's not a matter of whether an article is or isn't notable; it's a matter of whether or not an article demonstrates that its subject matter is notable. If your subject is notable, he seems to be notable for a "digital platform". This is a term that to me just sounded like a pretentious way of saying "website", but I thought I should look it up before maligning it. And here it is: digital platform (a disambiguation page). Well, which kind of "digital platform" is this? Whatever it is, it's claimed twice in the opening paragraph to be "leading". "Leading" as measured by what, and as measured by whom, as published by which reliable, independent source? -- Hoary (talk) 11:56, 16 December 2021 (UTC)
 * They all started with a YouTube channel, and they are the top in subscribers in Kerala. Here is source this   O n m yw a y 22   talk 14:13, 16 December 2021 (UTC)
 * hi ! generally speaking, notability is not inherited. the article you cited seems to focus on Karikku and not Prasad himself, and just because he is the founder of a notable company doesn't mean he is notable in his own right. that being said, if he is notable outside of being the founder of Karikku and falls under one of the notability criteria, maybe he can get an article. happy editing! melecie   t  - 14:28, 16 December 2021 (UTC)
 * Finally got something helpful. Thank you so much.   O n m yw a y 22   talk 16:43, 16 December 2021 (UTC)

Sindhochelys ragei
hello can someone add an image of Sindhochelys ragei to the wikicommons so I can use it in my page, I don want to because a lot of the photos i´ve added have been reported as copyright problems, and I don´t want to get banned so if someone more experienced could do it that would be nice. Fossiladder13 (talk) 16:39, 16 December 2021 (UTC)


 * It is highly unlikely that anyone reading your message will have a freely licensed photograph of a fossil genus discovered in 2021. Your best bet is probably to email the authors of the article reporting the discovery to ask whether they would be willing to freely license a photo. If they agree, you can send them this link that will allow them to generate a release to send to the volunteers that process copyright releases. Calliopejen1 (talk) 16:48, 16 December 2021 (UTC)

Username
HOWDOWECHANGEOURUSERNAMEPLEASE -Janis TheHamiPotterGeek (talk) 16:23, 16 December 2021 (UTC)


 * @TheHamiPotterGeek Hello and welcome to the Teahouse, please do not yell, and if you want to change your username see WP:UNC ― <b style="background:#000;color:#f07b3a;padding:1q;border-radius:5q;">Kaleeb18</b>Talk<sub style="position:relative;right:20q;margin-right:-15px;">Caleb 16:28, 16 December 2021 (UTC)
 * Janis, you can ask for a name change by going to WP:RENAME and following the instructions on that page. :) -- A Rose Wolf  16:49, 16 December 2021 (UTC)
 * Thank you -janis TheHamiPotterGeek (talk) 17:01, 16 December 2021 (UTC)

Rating
Hi, please rate my article importance and quality scale. Thank! Yodas henchman (talk) 19:33, 14 December 2021 (UTC)


 * Hi ! You can request a peer review of your article here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Peer_review. I.hate.spam.mail.here (talk) 19:36, 14 December 2021 (UTC)
 * Do you mean Conscription in Syria? David notMD (talk) 21:31, 14 December 2021 (UTC)
 * Yes Yodas henchman (talk) 17:10, 16 December 2021 (UTC)

Oum Kalsoum : there is a whole section of this entry that is missing.
There is a whole section on the life of this great singer and if you will kindly review my article entitles "REPORT on the misappropriation of the 1926 HMV recordings of OUM KOULSOUM by the Egyptian government" by John G. Deacon (former Sales Director of EMI Greece). Please go to www.johndeacon.biz and click on the link to "REPORT on the misappropriation..."

John G. Deacon Superdeak (talk) 14:51, 16 December 2021 (UTC) Superdeak (talk) 14:51, 16 December 2021 (UTC)
 * (I assume this is the relevant article) Wikignome Wintergreen talk 15:27, 16 December 2021 (UTC)


 * Hello @Superdeak and welcome to the Teahouse. If your report is based on sources which meet our standard of being published, reliable and independent (see verifiability), and if the information is relevant to Kalsoum/Kulthum's life or career, then please add the information to the article yourself in an appropriate spot, backing up each statement with an appropriate source. Your own report, published on your own website, is unfortunately not likely suitable for use on Wikipedia. Wikignome Wintergreen talk 17:30, 16 December 2021 (UTC)

new user
hey I am a new user and Im trying to add a sidebar to my Wikipedia business profile. Im trying to make a company profile for my corporation but it seems really confusing. Grabbz (talk) 16:06, 16 December 2021 (UTC)


 * hello @Grabbz and welcome to the Teahouse, it is highly suggested that you do not make an article you are associated with because articles must be written in a neutral point of view with no original research. ― <b style="background:#000;color:#f07b3a;padding:1q;border-radius:5q;">Kaleeb18</b>Talk<sub style="position:relative;right:20q;margin-right:-15px;">Caleb 16:22, 16 December 2021 (UTC)
 * so someone has to do it for my company? I don't understand, how will they know about my corporation by guessing? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Grabbz (talk • contribs)
 * Wikipedia does not have profiles. It has articles. You are permited to create a draft about your company (see WP:YFA) and submit it to the Articles for Creation (AfC) process for review. The difficulty is that all content in the article must be supported by reliable source references that are independent of you and the company. Also, you would first need to declare your paid connection on your user page (see WP:PAID). I expect that other Teahouse Hosts will provide guidance as to what makes a company notable. David notMD (talk) 16:35, 16 December 2021 (UTC)
 * See WP:NORG for guidance. David notMD (talk) 16:48, 16 December 2021 (UTC)


 * Hello, . I'm afraid that, like many people, you have a fundamental misunderstanding of what Wikipedia is. If at some point Wikipedia has an article about your company, the article will not belong to you or your company, will not be controlled by you or your company, will not necessarily say what you want it to say, and should be based almost entirely on what people who have no connection with you or your company have chosen to publish about the company, not on what you or your associates say or want to say. Please see An article about yourself isn't necessarily a good thing. If, given this, you would still like your company to be the subject of a Wikipedia article, and you can find the independent reliable published sources to establish that it meets Wikipedia's criteria for notability, then you are permitted to try and create the article, (once you have made the required formal declaration of your status as a paid editor) as detailed by others above. --ColinFine (talk) 17:02, 16 December 2021 (UTC)


 * OP is now blocked. 331dot (talk) 18:28, 16 December 2021 (UTC)

Add cast as star in Brahmāstra
As per a user reverteda edit as actor Ayan Nayak is not as a lead in the film no source is present but many source clearly mentions AYAN NAYAK is in lead role. What to do now?

}} २ तकर पेप्सी (talk) 16:20, 16 December 2021 (UTC)
 * Unless I'm missing something, the source you provided does not mention that person as a "lead". The actor is mentioned in the Wikipedia article as a cast member, though. Pyrrho the Skeptic (talk) 16:44, 16 December 2021 (UTC)
 * It mentions as steller cast which means starring as. २ तकर पेप्सी (talk) 16:53, 16 December 2021 (UTC)
 * I think that interpretation is a bit of a stretch. The actor needs to be listed explicitly as a lead role or starring role, which they do not appear to be. They are billed as "Police officer". Pyrrho the Skeptic (talk) 17:08, 16 December 2021 (UTC)
 * No,, "stellar" does not mean "starring", at least in any variety of English I am familiar with. The relevant sense is Exceptional (sense 3 in stellar): there is no current connection with "star" in the sense of An actor in a leading role. (sense 4 of wikt:star) --ColinFine (talk) 17:18, 16 December 2021 (UTC)
 * @२ तकर पेप्सी, when a film is described as having a "stellar cast", it means that the performers as a group are unusually good - not that every person in the cast has a star/lead role. Wikignome Wintergreen talk 17:19, 16 December 2021 (UTC)
 * @User:Wikignome Wintergreen @ColinFine alright but what privotal role means? Which mentions the actor. २ तकर पेप्सी (talk) 18:18, 16 December 2021 (UTC)
 * @२ तकर पेप्सी It seems to be marketing speak for "had a role that moved the plot along significantly". It might possibly be worth mentioning in an article about Nayak, but otherwise trivia. Wikignome Wintergreen talk 18:23, 16 December 2021 (UTC)
 * @User:Wikignome Wintergreen hey I got an article mentioning him as a star cast is it means starring? २ तकर पेप्सी (talk) 18:28, 16 December 2021 (UTC)
 * @२ तकर पेप्सी, the place to hold this discussion in on the talk page of the article - where I see you've already started a section - not at the Teahouse. Present your arguments there and try to get consensus. Wikignome Wintergreen talk 18:36, 16 December 2021 (UTC)

Draft article
How do i know whether my draft article is ready to be moved and made public ? mayfair098 Mayfair098 (talk) 20:17, 16 December 2021 (UTC)
 * The current references don't indicate that the subject is notable, as Wikipedia defines the term. If you were to submit the article as it stands, it would be rejected. If you are writing about yourself, please see WP:COI. <b style="color:#7F007F">TimTempleton</b> <sup style="color:#800080">(talk)  <sup style="color:#7F007F">(cont)  21:49, 16 December 2021 (UTC)

J Church Template
On the J Church Template for the Balboa Park stop, how do I remove the vertical line going through stop? Allanpanas (talk) 18:49, 16 December 2021 (UTC)


 * Courtesy link: Template:J Church Maproom (talk) 19:26, 16 December 2021 (UTC)


 * Hi,, and welcome to the Teahouse. It's quite likely that nobody at the Teahouse is familiar with editing specialist templates like this one. You might find the answer at WP:Route diagram template; failing that, I suggest asking at WT:Route diagram template. --ColinFine (talk) 22:30, 16 December 2021 (UTC)

My article AJ Dixon (racing driver)
There are photographs in the article. I swear that they are all mine, or pictures handed down through the family. Some of the pictures were published at the time of his racing but the originals are in my collection. Pichpich suggests that I must be the oldest person on the planet. Surely Wikipedia recognises family ownership? These were handed on to me in 1962 by my grandnother. The medals have been donated to the National Motorcycle Museum, as has the menu card. ManoftheNorth (talk) 22:06, 16 December 2021 (UTC)


 * Hello,, and welcome to the Teahouse. Unfortunately copyright is tricky. What is clear is that possession or ownership of physical photos tells you absolutely nothing about where the copyright lies. Your grandmother may have given you the photos, but unless she held the copyright in them, and gave that copyright to you, then you do not own it. But unless she took the photos herself, she probably did not own the copyright - by default the copyright in a photo belongs to the photographer. If the photographer died at least 70 years ago, then the photos are probably in the public domain, and Wikimedia Commons will accept them on that basis; but you would need to establish that fact. But otherwise, probably the best you can do is to upload the head shot to Wikipedia (not Commons) as a non-free image. You would need to provide a justification, showing how it met all the non-free content criteria - which I'm sure you could do for that one image, but I'm doubtful about the rest of them.
 * I'm not an expert on copyright, so what I've said may not be completely accurate, but I'm sure it mostly is. Please ask any further questions at WP:MCQ. --ColinFine (talk) 22:49, 16 December 2021 (UTC)

Vandalism
How can I detect and remove vandalism? It seems really hard these days, since I've literally found none. What can I do to detect it and successfully undo it? Ex-stepp (talk) 01:59, 16 December 2021 (UTC)
 * Hi @Ex-stepp, go to Special:RecentChanges, set some filters and check out the changes coming in. Also see Recent changes patrol for some more information. Consider installing WP:RedWarn or WP:Twinkle to speed up reverting edits. ✨ <span style="font-family:'Roboto',sans-serif;font-weight:300;text-shadow: 2px 2px 10px black;color:black;">Ed  talk!  ✨ 02:14, 16 December 2021 (UTC)

OK, thanks for the help! My dream is to become an administrator (I know I'm not required to or anything, but it would be a great honor to become one) and being the one who removes lots of vandalism first and recognizes when something's not right is a perfect step in the right direction. Ex-stepp (talk) 23:12, 16 December 2021 (UTC)

What I want to know about how I should edit is pages about songs on Wikipedia.
So, you know how in brackets that page says what the song was originally called. How do I type it in Wikipedia’s style of wording and grammar? Wikideas8 (talk) 22:38, 16 December 2021 (UTC)
 * Hello,, and welcome to the Teahouse. Can you give an example, to show what you mean? --ColinFine (talk) 23:02, 16 December 2021 (UTC)
 * @, hello and welcome to the Teahouse, I’m echoing, I’m afraid your question isn’t precise or easy to understand, are you trying to learn wiki coding? Then reading Wiki coding should suffice. please if this isn’t what you are referring to let us know or show us an example as aforementioned. Celestina007 (talk) 23:07, 16 December 2021 (UTC)
 * On a track listing, you'll see a song that changed names in parentheses, like track #7 on this album. No Wiki markup for that. For an article title, this song, for example, doesn't do anything fancy in the title, but it mentions the change in the lead. Is that what you mean? Pyrrho the Skeptic (talk) 00:12, 17 December 2021 (UTC)

A few formatting questions
I'm just curious if someone can tell me, or provide some references for:

- typing code format without being embedded, so as to demonstrate the code in a message/post

- the difference between "orphaned" and "disambiguation" links, and whether it is acceptable to use in any case or should they just not exist?

- and, is this language or coding format CSS? I'm familiar with the concept of HTML/CSS, but have never seriously worked with it before. Spencer-Nägy (talk) 08:39, 16 December 2021 (UTC)

Update: I found the Disambiguation wiki article, and I think I understand what that means, but how does Wikipedia determine if an entry is disambiguous to its subject exactly? One of my edit entries says "disambiguation link" but i don't see how it can determine that when the sections/sub-sections of the entries are in fact relevant. Unless, I'm still misunderstand the meaning of the word. Spencer-Nägy (talk) 08:50, 16 December 2021 (UTC)


 * Italic text is italicized by doubled single quotation marks fore and aft -- is this a sample of the kind of thing you're asking about in your first question?


 * I haven't heard of orphaned links. If you mean an orphaned article, this is an article to which no other article links. I suppose a disambiguation link would be a link to a disambiguation page. A disambiguation page (such as Equality) has a list of links for (more or less) synonymously titled articles. -- Hoary (talk) 08:56, 16 December 2021 (UTC)
 * @Spencer-Nägy Please supply links to the article(s) you are asking about. It makes answering you a whole lot easier. Thanks Nick Moyes (talk) 08:59, 16 December 2021 (UTC)

The first question is referring to showing the written format (as it is written) without the format being shown so if i wanted to show another editor how i have formatted my entry, etc.

Thank you for the clarification on my second question. I assume in either case, it is proper to remove the orphaned or disambiguated links from an article?

I was trying to quote the term rather than italicize. I'm surprisingly catching on to the language quickly, but I'm still curious on the third question. Spencer-Nägy (talk) 09:13, 16 December 2021 (UTC)


 * Spencer-Nägy, anyone interested in how you have used markup can see for themselves by looking in the "source". And they can do that by choosing to edit. (Having opted to edit, they're under no obligation to edit. They can simply hit the back button.) So: don't use the "visual editor". Instead, "edit source". Resources for you: introduction to formatting; more formatting; what you can do with HTML (but usually shouldn't); what you can do with CSS. -- Hoary (talk) 11:47, 16 December 2021 (UTC)
 * Many's the time I've found out how to code something by looking at the edit page where someone else did what I'm trying to accomplish--for instance, I just looked at the very next comment from Deor in order to Ping you. The difficulty with that that comes up most often is: I'm sure I've seen done what I'm trying to do, but can't remember where--and can't guess, either. Uporządnicki (talk)
 * With regard to your first question, if you put something between <nowiki ></nowiki> tags, that text will be displayed as you typed it, without the activation of any wiki markup in it. Deor (talk) 17:37, 16 December 2021 (UTC)

Thanks for answering my questions the best you could. Spencer-Nägy (talk) 00:59, 17 December 2021 (UTC)

Wikidata after page move
In preparation for changing the title of HINARI to reflect the modern capitalization I moved the article titled "Hinari" to https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hinari_(Manufacturing_Company). I noticed the request afterwards to check that the "wikidata" was updated, when I clicked through to check it simply said "Hinari". Should o change it to the new title or is it still correct? XeCyranium (talk) 01:21, 17 December 2021 (UTC)
 * I've moved the company to Hinari (company) since companies aren't capitalized because they aren't proper nouns, and we don't need "manufacturing" as a disambiguator. Regarding your question: Wikidata is it's own thing, so technically you don't have to deal with that. However, you probably should be a Good Samaritan and update the Wikipedia link at wikidata:Q5765636 to reflect the new title. Don't change the name of the item (what's on top). ◢ <i style="background-color:#F7E3F7; color:#960596"> Ganbaruby! </i>  (talk) 01:30, 17 December 2021 (UTC)

Wikipedia deleted my Draft
I'm pretty mad today because Wikipedia just deleted my draft. My hours of writing, gone. This is my second time writing an article. The first time I tried (also putting in hours of work) it got declined even though I cited all my sources, didn't have any bias, and generally followed all of Wikipedia's rules. My second time trying, It just gets deleted. I don't think I'll be writing anymore, at least not anytime soon. So basically my question is, is there anyway I can get my article back? I doubt you can but I thought I'd ask anyways. Zoltansz11 (talk) 22:28, 16 December 2021 (UTC)


 * @Zoltansz11 You have no deleted contributions according to your deleted contributions log. What is the title of the article you think was deleted. The draft article you started at Draft:Moses McWilliams is still there. Nthep (talk) 22:35, 16 December 2021 (UTC)


 * This is the [|article] that got deleted. There is now nothing there. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Zoltansz11 (talk • contribs)
 * , whilst I haven’t checked with in-depth, are you sure you are logged in with the right account? Articles even in draftspace, can be deleted if it meets a criterion for deletion, but that aside, The said deleted draft article doesn’t even show you creating it under this account. Take a look at your contributions, perhaps you created the article via a different account? please you might also want to take a look at our policy on legally operating more than one account. Celestina007 (talk) 22:45, 16 December 2021 (UTC)
 * @Zoltansz11 There has never been an article Draft:TI-2500, not even one subsequently deleted. Nthep (talk) 23:00, 16 December 2021 (UTC)


 * Hello,, I can't find any evidence that a draft called Draft:TI-2500 has ever existed or been deleted. Are you sure that you actually savid ("Published") it? Which account did you create it under? --ColinFine (talk) 22:59, 16 December 2021 (UTC)


 * You might have forgotten to save it ("Publish"), Zoltansz11. If you moved on out of the editing screen to a different page, your changes would not have been saved. They also aren't saved if you go back on a browser screen to a previous page. While working on a Draft, it's important to save changes on a regular basis to keep your work. Liz <sup style="font-family: Times New Roman; color: #006400;">Read! Talk! 02:49, 17 December 2021 (UTC)


 * @Zoltansz11: Welcome to the Teahouse. While others are inquiring about your second draft, I'll point out that for your first draft you used Wikitree and another Wikipedia article as sources, which are not reliable due to them being user-generated. — Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 23:59, 16 December 2021 (UTC)

New Contributor - First submission denied - Lack of Sourcing
Can someone help me successfully add my first submission to Wikipedia? Thank you! https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:JackDaniel2022 JackDaniel2022 (talk) 19:59, 16 December 2021 (UTC)
 * Wikignome Wintergreen talk 20:03, 16 December 2021 (UTC)
 * Leaving aside the question of sourcing, you've written this in completely the wrong way. It's far too positive and friendly and eager and praising - practically a hagiography. Be dispassionate and emotionless. Facts only, only facts. DS (talk) 20:11, 16 December 2021 (UTC)
 * JackDaniel2022 it appears that you have cited sources that don't always reference what you've written. In the Founder section I read: "You’ll find them on stage each year handing out the highly prestigious award for 'Best Flower', as well as on expert speaker panels from coast to coast" and I wanted to know how important was the award you mention. The reference directly after that sentence was about a panel, but didn't mention any awards. The two references immediately before the sentence do refer to judging cannabis flowers, but didn't say that the award was in anyway prestigious. It just said cannabis was being judged. You can't write about a highly prestigious award unless you have a good reference stating that's what it is. When writing a Wikipedia article you aren't allowed to give your own opinions, or mention something you once heard someone say. You can only include data found in reliable published sources. I would suggest you rewrite your draft, and include only what can be found in the cited references. Karenthewriter (talk) 03:14, 17 December 2021 (UTC)

I made a draft but there are some problems
Hi, I translated an article from eswiki (Asociación Deportiva Cariari Pococí) and put it in a draft (A.D. Cariari Pococí) but the eswiki article has no references so I'm not sure what references I should find. The article is ready for submitting. 192.184.163.106 (talk) 04:00, 17 December 2021 (UTC)
 * Updated 04:00, 17 December 2021 (UTC)
 * enwiki's standards are much stricter than eswiki's, and references are mandatory. Please read Reliable sources to learn what is considered a reliable source. If the draft is submitted for review in its current state it will most certainly be declined. — Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 04:31, 17 December 2021 (UTC)

Making a page.
I have been declined 3 times making a page can someone help. Schoolman222 (talk) 17:35, 16 December 2021 (UTC)
 * You mean this draft? There are many issues with it. For one, there are no sources that indicate that it is notable in any way. It's also not written like a Wikipedia article, but just a few lines of text. Could you be more specific as to what help you need? Pyrrho the Skeptic (talk) 17:46, 16 December 2021 (UTC)


 * Hello,, and welcome to the Teahouse, and to editing Wikipedia. Creating a new article is much more difficult than it looks, and I always advise new editors to spend a few months learning how Wikipedia works, by making improvements to some of our existing six million articles before trying it. I remember from when I started how much I wanted to "make my mark" by adding a new article to Wikipedia; but now I know that generally people who improve existing articles often add far more value to Wikipedia than those who try to create new ones before they're properly equipped to. When you do decide to have a go at a new article, I strongly recommend studing Your first article. --ColinFine (talk) 18:25, 16 December 2021 (UTC)

Added some more to my page. I made it into a paragraph and added some other lists. Any other suggestions? Schoolman222 (talk) 19:10, 16 December 2021 (UTC)


 * , you didn't add a single source. Without sources, it will just be declined again, and eventually rejected. It will never be accepted without reliable, independent, published sources. Wikignome Wintergreen talk 19:27, 16 December 2021 (UTC)


 * Frankly, what you are attempting to create is not appropriate for Wikipedia. Wikipedia is based on what reliable sources say about a notable subject. You could try WikiHow. 2603:6081:1C00:1187:8DF8:B7C7:A5AF:957B (talk) 19:29, 16 December 2021 (UTC)
 * And now Rejected. David notMD (talk) 04:59, 17 December 2021 (UTC)

Self-rating
Hi, I was wondering if I could rate, my article by myself. I will put my self in the shoes of other Peer reviewers. I guess my Article is important in some way, like high or mid. Yodas henchman (talk) 21:18, 16 December 2021 (UTC)
 * If you mean Conscription in Syria, a very experienced editor rated it as Start class and low importance. David notMD (talk) 05:03, 17 December 2021 (UTC)

List
I don't know what is the list called, it may be called symbols. For example, ✅. What is this called? And can I get a list containing all this stuff? Thanks. ― <b style="background:linear-gradient(45deg,#f05,#b49);border:2px solid #000;padding:2px;color:#ef4;">Itcouldbepossible</b>Talk 16:14, 16 December 2021 (UTC)
 * There is a list of similar icons at Template:Done/See also. DanCherek (talk) 16:16, 16 December 2021 (UTC)
 * Consider this matter Pyrrho the Skeptic (talk) 16:22, 16 December 2021 (UTC)
 * @Pyrrho the Skeptic Ok...OK I understand. Thanks. ― <b style="background:linear-gradient(45deg,#f05,#b49);border:2px solid #000;padding:2px;color:#ef4;">Itcouldbepossible</b>Talk 05:47, 17 December 2021 (UTC)
 * @DanCherek Thanks a bunch. ― <b style="background:linear-gradient(45deg,#f05,#b49);border:2px solid #000;padding:2px;color:#ef4;">Itcouldbepossible</b>Talk 05:47, 17 December 2021 (UTC)

Laxman Meena
Laxman Meena is a politician. -- Karsan Chanda (talk) 03:37, 17 December 2021 (UTC)


 * Hello @Karsan Chanda and welcome to the Teahouse, it seems that you do not have a question but are stating something that Laxman Meena is a polatician. If you wish to create an article on Laxman Meena then read Your first article, but first make sure the article is notable. Also the references you provide would not be good to use because it is a primary source. ― <b style="background:#000;color:#f07b3a;padding:1q;border-radius:5q;">Kaleeb18</b>Talk<sub style="position:relative;right:20q;margin-right:-15px;">Caleb 04:07, 17 December 2021 (UTC)

Write an article for Lakhan Singh Meena. -- Karsan Chanda (talk) 04:30, 17 December 2021 (UTC)


 * Karsan Chanda, are you commanding other editors to do this? -- Hoary (talk) 04:39, 17 December 2021 (UTC)

I want to write an article for Bassi MLA Laxman Meena. But someone removed my draft. What should I do to get it back? -- Karsan Chanda (talk) 04:40, 17 December 2021 (UTC)


 * Karsan Chanda, your article -- yes, an article, not merely a draft -- was deleted with the explanation "Article has no meaningful, substantive content". I warmly agree with the deletion. Why? Well, here is your article, in its entirety:




 * This of course says absolutely nothing about Laxman Meena or anything else. If you think that this is worth preservation as an article, then you are seriously deluded.


 * Will you be able to demonstrate that Laxman Meena is notable (according to Wikipedia's criteria, not yours or mine)? If not, forget it. But if you will be able to do so, then click on Draft:Laxman Meena and create a draft that will be worth conversion to an article. -- Hoary (talk) 06:47, 17 December 2021 (UTC)

Stop Asking for Donstions
I have already donated to Wikipedia this year. How do I stop the interruptions of my searches with requests for donations? 192.188.8.97 (talk) 05:46, 17 December 2021 (UTC)
 * Welcome and thank you for your question about donations! To hide the fundraising banners, you can create an account and uncheck . The Wikimedia Foundation does not track the identity of IP addresses, so it doesn't know your age, income level or whether you donated in the past. None of the Wikipedia volunteer editors here who add and improve content in articles receive any financial benefit. We all simply contribute our time because we care about building a great encyclopedia for you and innumerable others around the world to use. If you cannot afford it, no one wants you to donate. Wikipedia is not at risk of shutting down, and the Wikimedia Foundation, which hosts the Wikipedia platform and is asking for these donations, is richer than ever. We are led to believe that users who allow cookies are less likely to see these banners on repeat visits (further information is available here), and you are welcome to communicate directly with the donor-relations team by emailing  .  Thank you! — Tenryuu 🐲  ( 💬 • 📝 ) 05:58, 17 December 2021 (UTC)

hmm how does this work? Xkitty2 (talk) 08:17, 17 December 2021 (UTC)


 * @Xkitty2, general answer at User talk:Xkitty2. If you have more specific questions, ask away! Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 09:36, 17 December 2021 (UTC)

How to add a source?
How do I add a source to my page? Is there an article on how? Schoolman222 (talk) 11:24, 17 December 2021 (UTC)
 * Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. You can review how to add sources by reading Referencing for Beginners.  However, your draft Draft:Roblox:Natrual Disaster Survival was rejected and will not be considered further.  Please understand that Wikipedia is not a place to just tell about something, and is not a gaming guide.  A Wikipedia article must summarize what independent reliable sources, such as published news reports, with significant coverage have chosen on their own to state about a topic, showing how it meets the special Wikipedia definition of notability.  Please review Your First Article.  You may want to edit some existing articles in areas that interest you, and use the new user tutorial, to learn more about Wikipedia before attempting to create a new article- which is the hardest thing to do here. 331dot (talk) 11:28, 17 December 2021 (UTC)
 * I would further add that wiki type websites are not considered reliable sources, as they are user-editable. 331dot (talk) 11:31, 17 December 2021 (UTC)


 * Hello, . In my view "How do I add a source to my page?" is like asking "How do I add foundations to the house I have just built?". Writing a Wikipedia article starts with finding the independent reliable published sources that all of the content will come from; because if you can't find the sources then the article will never be acceptabe, and anything you do towards it will be wasted effort. --ColinFine (talk) 13:31, 17 December 2021 (UTC)

Is it acceptable for an editor to make numerous back to back edits?
I saw this on an article though the edits took place a while back where an editor made over 50 edits in the same day. The edits were a mix of big (over 100 bytes) and small (less than 100 bytes). Is this okay according to Wikipedia rules? Aleena98 (talk) 09:43, 17 December 2021 (UTC)
 * Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. As long as the edits are constructive, I don't believe there is a policy against it.  It would perhaps be better for an editor to use Preview to make fewer edits or a single large edit, but different people edit differently. 331dot (talk) 09:45, 17 December 2021 (UTC)
 * Like 331dot said, there's no rule against it. If somebody is planning on making major revisions to a page, they might do that to make sure their progress is saved and they don't lose too much progress if something goes wrong. They might also do this if there's a current event and the page is being updated in real-time in response to new information. ThadeusOfNazerethTalk to Me! 10:37, 17 December 2021 (UTC)
 * Thank you both for answering my question Aleena98 (talk) 11:07, 17 December 2021 (UTC)
 * @, this is ad nauseam, but just as my senior colleague already stated, there isn’t any policy against it but let me share my  experience I have lived in Nigeria for 20+ years now where power supply isn’t stable. So, sometime in 2019/early 2020 my device was seriously malfunctioning, whenever it wasn’t connected to power supply it tripped off so I had to improvise, whereby I saved every little edit almost immediately, in order not to lose my work if peradventure power went off, many saw this as rather disruptive  but didn’t know my predicament nor bother to ask,  was literally the only one kind enough to listen to me & ask me what the problem was, In summary whilst there isn’t any policy against this sort of editing, it can be disruptive in nature, especially when the editor doing such might be doing so to boost their edit count, which is rather shallow and counter productive as edit quantity means next to nothing what matters is edit quality.Celestina007 (talk) 11:13, 17 December 2021 (UTC)
 * You're right, I didn't consider potential internet/technical outages. Thanks for the insight Aleena98 (talk) 11:42, 17 December 2021 (UTC)
 * @Aleena98 How can it really take 204 edits to change 15 words? (See this) Nick Moyes (talk) 13:40, 17 December 2021 (UTC)

WP:BASIC vs WP:NACTOR
In an AfD discussion one editor argued that WP:BASIC comes before WP:NACTOR. Is this correct? <b style="color:DarkTurquoise; font-weight: bold; font-family:cambria">Eevee01</b>(<b style="color:#40E0D0; font-style: italic">talk</b>) 08:52, 17 December 2021 (UTC)


 * Hi @Eevee01 - Yes, that's correct. Without making a judgement on the veracity of the AfD vote itself, WP:BASIC is the fundamental notability criteria. From that page: "People who meet the basic criteria may be considered notable without meeting the additional criteria below." ThadeusOfNazerethTalk to Me! 10:39, 17 December 2021 (UTC)
 * @ThadeusOfNazereth I always thought that to have an article of an actor the person must meet WP:NACTOR. Majority of the articles in AfD/India are deleted because the subject doesn't have significant roles in at least two notable movies/TV series. <b style="color:DarkTurquoise; font-weight: bold; font-family:cambria">Eevee01</b>(<b style="color:#40E0D0; font-style: italic">talk</b>) 11:17, 17 December 2021 (UTC)
 * , hello and welcome to the Teahouse, WP:NACTOR doesn’t use the word “must” that aside, think of it like this, BASIC, BIO and GNG are the default setting to determine notability, So if either of the three are met, it is sufficient enough for retainment on mainspace, so in this case if an actor fails to feature in multiple significant lead roles or is yet to clinch a prestigious award but have been discussed with in-depth significant coverage in reliable sources independent of them, they have passed our notability threshold. Celestina007 (talk) 11:25, 17 December 2021 (UTC)
 * In addition, NACTOR is part of the section "Additional criteria" which explicitly begins with "Failure to meet these criteria is not conclusive proof that a subject should not be included; conversely, meeting one or more does not guarantee that a subject should be included.". Regards So  Why  11:57, 17 December 2021 (UTC)
 * @Celestina007 @ThadeusOfNazereth @SoWhy Thank you! Could you please also explain what the meaning of "significant" is in the WP:NACTOR criteria? In other words how to determine the significance of a role? Does it mean the screen time an actor gets? Is there a difference between having a significant role in movies and TV series? <b style="color:DarkTurquoise; font-weight: bold; font-family:cambria">Eevee01</b>(<b style="color:#40E0D0; font-style: italic">talk</b>) 12:11, 17 December 2021 (UTC)
 * @Eevee01: "Significant" is always a (by design) imprecise term. It's main goal is to differentiate short cameos and background appearances from appearing in a more substantial role. You can find dozens of discussions about that in the archives probably but there is no way to define it for each case beforehand. As a general rule of thumb, I would think a role to be significant if the actor is credited at the beginning of the movie or series as part of the main cast. For TV shows, beginning credits are often split into main cast first and then major guest stars, with bit-players at the end. People who appear in the main cast can usually be considered playing a significant role, as can those who appear in the major guest credits multiple times (for example, Joe Spano only ever appeared as a guest on NCIS but his was still a significant role). Regards So  Why  13:27, 17 December 2021 (UTC)
 * @SoWhy I understand. Thank you. <b style="color:DarkTurquoise; font-weight: bold; font-family:cambria">Eevee01</b>(<b style="color:#40E0D0; font-style: italic">talk</b>) 13:44, 17 December 2021 (UTC)

Miner
Have you considered mining ethereum or any other cryptocurrency to avoid requesting financial assistance? 107.242.125.49 (talk) 05:09, 17 December 2021 (UTC)
 * Hello. The Teahouse and English Wikipedia editors have absolutely nothing to do with the fundraising campaign. That is all carried out by the Wikimedia Foundation. Contact them with your idea. Cullen328 (talk) 07:13, 17 December 2021 (UTC)
 * IP editor: the Wikimedia Foundation is trying to reduce its carbon footprint, not fritter energy away on ridiculous amounts of computer processing power in order to generate pointless crypto-currency. But thank you for your suggestion; the Golgafrinchan space craft will be leaving shortly. Nick Moyes (talk) 13:45, 17 December 2021 (UTC)
 * In the spirit of providing sources, this is the Financial times on the subject: . To summarise, Bitcoin is probably consuming about the same amount of power as the whole of Sweden (10.3 million people) or Norway, nearly as much as Malaysia (32.4 million people). And yes, I'm aware bitcoin setups are trying to use strange energy sources in the middle of nowhere, but it's still carbon footprint. To do a small piece of highly unwikipedian WP:SYNTH, 2.3 million UK citizens appear to be using Bitcoin, 3.8% of the population. There are estimated to be 300 million Bitcoin users worldwide, so the UK's users represent 7.66% of the total. Bitcoin is probably consuming about 134 TWatt hours per year, so the UK is responsible for 10.3 TWatt hours of this. The UK's total consumption of electricity is 305 TWatt hours per year, so the 3.8% of the UK population who ought to be responsible for 3.8% of the UK's total 305 TWatt hours (i.e. 11.6 TWatt hours) are consuming about the same amount of power to have their bitcoin as they are consuming in all other activities put together. Your cryptocurrency consumes as much energy as your car, your heating system, your job, your dog, your lights, your computer, your television, your foreign holiday, your washing-machine, dishwasher, cooker and barbecue all added together. Not good. That is why the Wikimedia foundation is doing the right thing in requesting donations instead.  Elemimele (talk) 15:06, 17 December 2021 (UTC)

Disambiguation
Are non-pronoun entries on disambiguation pages capitalized or not capitalized? For example on Minne some entries start with a lowercase letter. The Tips of  Apmh  15:00, 17 December 2021 (UTC)
 * On that page it makes grammatical sense, because the page is headed "Minne may be", which is the first half of a sentence. Each of the subsequent entries represents a potential second half of that sentence, e.g. "in origin, the Middle High German for...", together building a whole: "Minne may be, in origin, the Middle High German for...". You would not capitalise a word half way through a sentence, and therefore "in" is written in lowercase letters. But it's not a big issue; I would have no strong feelings if the entries were capitalised. Elemimele (talk) 15:14, 17 December 2021 (UTC)

I'm trying to fix "multiple issues" in an article
Hi, I'm trying to fix multiple issues in this article https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Claus_Kleber in the visual editor. As a German editor I have never worked on an englisch wikipedia article and would need some help. How can I identify the issues which have to be fixed in the aforementioned article? Is there a list? Many Cheers Wencke Wencke g (talk) 16:20, 17 December 2021 (UTC)


 * Hello Wencke! My first question can you edit in English reasonably well/fluently? If so then the multiple issues are in the same template, but you might have to click the button that says show in order to see the specific issues with the article. ― <b style="background:#0d1125;color:#51aeff;padding:1q;border-radius:5q;">Blaze Wolf</b>Talk<sub title="Discord Username" style="margin-left:-22q;">Blaze Wolf#6545 16:24, 17 December 2021 (UTC)

Wikilinks in templates
I have noticed that when one wants to see Which articles Link to an article, one gets also the links of the templates even though the subjects of the articles aren't in anyway connected other than the template. An example are Selahattin Demirtas and Kazim Karabekir who are both in the Template:Party Leaders in Turkey. I'd suggest that for a better Wikipedia editor navigation the links of templates should be shown separate from the links within the articles. For example if one creates and article which turns a redlink within a template blue, the creating editor wouldn't be able to know in which pages a link would actually be useful. Where could I place such a request? I have already thought of removing the redlink for the time the editor places all the wls for the new article. Paradise Chronicle (talk) 08:38, 17 December 2021 (UTC)


 * @Paradise Chronicle Welcome to teahouse! I had exact same problem and User:Primehunter made a handy script that you can insert inside User:Paradise Chronicle/common.js with, which adds a "source link" tab underneath "what links here" and excludes templates. See my common.js for an example User:Shushugah/common.js. Happy tinkering! ~ 🦝 Shushugah (he/him • talk) 12:17, 17 December 2021 (UTC)
 * Thank you, I did install it. Paradise Chronicle (talk) 15:24, 17 December 2021 (UTC)
 * If one installs it, it apparently deactivates at least the Rater and the Articles for Creation tools. At least in my case. Paradise Chronicle (talk) 16:52, 17 December 2021 (UTC)

IM MAKING a list of all colonies
Im using all available sources and pages around Wikipedia TestDontMind (talk) 22:09, 16 December 2021 (UTC)
 * @, hello and welcome to the Teahouse, is there a particular question you want to ask? or do you need assistance with something? or anything? Celestina007 (talk) 22:14, 16 December 2021 (UTC)
 * So I'm trying to use all available pages about colonies. Could you help me? TestDontMind (talk) 22:18, 16 December 2021 (UTC)
 * , what you actually seem to be doing is making a bit of a mess, and potentially engaging in block evasion. Please stop moving pages around. Do you have a question for us? Wikignome Wintergreen talk 22:19, 16 December 2021 (UTC)
 * It's because I need help merging I confuse move with merge TestDontMind (talk) 22:20, 16 December 2021 (UTC)
 * Well I know it sounds "Fishy"  TestDontMind (talk) 22:23, 16 December 2021 (UTC)
 * @TestDontMind, merging articles is a rather long and involved process - see Merging. You'd need to state very convincing arguments about why a merger should take place, and have a discussion with other editors about the process. Since you're quite new here, I'd recommend not jumping into that right away - try making small changes first and learn the ropes. Wikignome Wintergreen talk 22:23, 16 December 2021 (UTC)
 * Here is the reason,I wanted to see all of that on 1 page but detailed and simplified TestDontMind (talk) 22:25, 16 December 2021 (UTC)
 * @TestDontMind, if you read the page I linked you to, you'll see that's not a good reason. In fact, it probably falls under several of the reasons why mergers should be avoided. Please read the page. Wikignome Wintergreen talk 22:28, 16 December 2021 (UTC)
 * Thank you for letting me know,BYE and thank you:) TestDontMind (talk) 22:37, 16 December 2021 (UTC)
 * , if you want such a 'page' for your own personal reference only, there's no reason you can't copy the information you want from Wikipedia, paste it into a document on your own device, and rearrange that document any way you wish. (I regularly do this for topics of personal interest to me, which only I will see.)
 * If you also wanted to share that document with others, legally you should include in it an acknowledgement of Wikipedia as your source – see Citing Wikipedia (which, yes, is long and complicated because it is more aimed at people doing so in a formal or academic context). For either or both of these usages, there is no need for you to make any changes on Wikipedia itself. I hope this helps. {The poster formerly known as 87.81.230.195} 90.205.227.133 (talk) 17:33, 17 December 2021 (UTC)

My Username
Hi, I was wondering if my username is okay for this site? Thanks in advance. HumbleConservative (talk) 00:55, 17 December 2021 (UTC)
 * It doesn't violate any username policy that I'm aware of. Pyrrho the Skeptic (talk) 01:02, 17 December 2021 (UTC)
 * Okay, thank you! -HumbleConservative (talk) 01:06, 17 December 2021 (UTC)
 * While, as others have told you, the name is acceptable, you might want to consider that the term "conservative" (like other political terms such as "liberal") has rather different meanings and implications in different parts of the world, some positive, some negative, so a reader of this global encyclopedia not from your country (wherever that is) might be given an impression different from the one you intend. {The poster formerly known as 87.81.230.195} 90.205.227.133 (talk) 17:42, 17 December 2021 (UTC)

Practically an article request
I feel like something needs to be written about the events that were anticipated in American schools on December 17, 2021 that were the product of an unprecedented, rapidly-spreading Tik Tok "challenge" (it was more like a message or an idea) that has been getting tons of coverage, most of it having been within the past 24 hours. If not a separate Wikipedia page, perhaps a mention on this article.

Thanks in advance,

TrevortniDesserpedx (talk) 17:13, 17 December 2021 (UTC) TrevortniDesserpedx (talk) 17:13, 17 December 2021 (UTC)


 * Hello Trevor! It might deserve a mention in the Tik Tok article, however that would only be if it has received coverage from reliable sources that aren't connected to the subject (so in this case, sources that aren't connected to Tik Tok). Usually small events like this don't deserve their own Wikipedia page unless they're a major event. ― <b style="background:#0d1125;color:#51aeff;padding:1q;border-radius:5q;">Blaze Wolf</b>Talk<sub title="Discord Username" style="margin-left:-22q;">Blaze Wolf#6545 17:58, 17 December 2021 (UTC)

@Trevornidesserped This is dumb, just because you see it on the media every now and then doesnt mean it needs a trend, that would be like making a seperate article for the most common birthdate and calling it worlds highest circumcision rate as of 2021 — Preceding unsigned comment added by Das Kittles (talk • contribs) 17:17, 17 December 2021 (UTC)
 * Please be civil and do not use rude language, thank you. Pyrrho the Skeptic (talk) 17:44, 17 December 2021 (UTC)

Article Request:Gaomon
Gaomon

Hello wikipedia, i was wondering if you could add an article for the drawing tablet company Gaomon, this company has been around since late 2016 i believe and is commonly used by animators, since i dont have the freetime or willpower to make an article about Gaomon drawing tablets and things ike that i was wondering if one of you can. Das Kittles (talk) 15:29, 17 December 2021 (UTC)
 * You can request that someone write an article at WP:REQ, but I'm afraid this is rather a neglected dumping-ground for things people don't have the energy to do. Elemimele (talk) 15:40, 17 December 2021 (UTC)
 * I am so sorry i am fairly new to wikipedia and quite an idiot, i will try better to understand the locations for some things — Preceding unsigned comment added by Das Kittles (talk • contribs)
 * if you would like an article about Gaomon perhaps you could, over time, find a few reviews or articles about the drawing tablet. Then you could go to WikiProject Animation, click on the help section, and ask if any of the members knew of someone interested in writing the article, if you provided reference sources. Karenthewriter (talk) 16:25, 17 December 2021 (UTC)
 * , don't worry, you're not an idiot. There are loads and loads of different locations and special pages in WP and I've probably only found about 1% of them in the not-that-long time that I've been here. Requested articles is a bit of a frustrating one, because things tend to linger there for a long time. Elemimele (talk) 18:04, 17 December 2021 (UTC)

Kim Yancey-Moore
Does Kim Yancey meet WP:NACTOR? Paul Vaurie (talk) 06:08, 15 December 2021 (UTC)
 * IMBd not an accepted ref to establish notability. Can you provide at least three independent refs about her career? David notMD (talk) 13:54, 15 December 2021 (UTC)
 * Probably not, unfortunately. NYT covered her marriage (paywalled for me), that would have some background info like her parents' names, but I don't see any other substantive hits on a search. ⁓ Pelagic ( messages ) 18:21, 17 December 2021 (UTC)

Did I create this Talk request properly?
I am a new and inexperienced editor and am trying to ask for other Wiki editors to make numerous factual corrections to a page, including missing citations. I cannot edit the page myself because, as I've disclosed on my user page and a talk page, I have a paid relationship with the subject of the page WP:Paid.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ronald_DePinho

I pasted my detailed request in Talk, but now I cannot see it. I don't really understand how to use Talk or how to ask if other editors can make factual corrections like the ones I requested.

Is it possible someone from HELP could look at the Talk and tell me if I've done it right? And why can't I see what I just published in Talk? Do I create a new Talk for each topic? How?

If it's an ongoing discussion, or intended to be, do I hit edit an existing talk entry to post a request or reply? I tried to do the latter but it doesn't look like it worked. Jasmit53 (talk) 20:18, 17 December 2021 (UTC)Jasmit53 Jasmit53 (talk) 20:18, 17 December 2021 (UTC)


 * , you made at Talk:Ronald_DePinho a request so long that I would not expect anyone to read it. But complied with your request, and responded to it with commendable brevity. Maproom (talk) 21:30, 17 December 2021 (UTC)


 * 1) Your new request for changes was embedded in an earlier request. I separated those.
 * 2) You cannot just state "source" and provide reference information. If you want a journal article to be a reference it has to be in reference format.
 * 3)Yes, you sumbitted too much at one time. Better to break it into several requests.
 * 4) Someone else will hopefully explain hos to make this a formal edit rquest. David notMD (talk) 21:33, 17 December 2021 (UTC)

- A Wikipedia article is not a CV. You have proposed close to 40 awards, some of them quite minor. I STRONGLY recommend you change the section title to Selected honors and awards, and list no more than six. With a reference for each. David notMD (talk) 21:39, 17 December 2021 (UTC)

How do I get a draft, or at least request, off review?
The subject explains itself. Mobius Gerig (talk) 20:14, 17 December 2021 (UTC)


 * Hello Mobius! May I ask why you are wanting to do this? You can still edit your draft even while it has been submitted for review. ― <b style="background:#0d1125;color:#51aeff;padding:1q;border-radius:5q;">Blaze Wolf</b>Talk<sub title="Discord Username" style="margin-left:-22q;">Blaze Wolf#6545 20:16, 17 December 2021 (UTC)


 * Let me elaborate: I basically made an article for Mayfield Consumer Products (the owners of the fated factory), but not before making a draft for some reason. (p.s. I don't really understand how to reply.) Mobius Gerig (talk) 20:22, 17 December 2021 (UTC)
 * You did reply to me correctly. So I'm trying to understand what you're trying to do here. You said you made an article for something before you made it as a draft. Why wouldn't you have the article moved to draft space since it's not ready? ― <b style="background:#0d1125;color:#51aeff;padding:1q;border-radius:5q;">Blaze Wolf</b>Talk<sub title="Discord Username" style="margin-left:-22q;">Blaze Wolf#6545 20:25, 17 December 2021 (UTC)
 * the OP has created both Mayfield Consumer Products and Draft:Mayfield Consumer Products. They want to get rid of one of them. Maproom (talk) 21:17, 17 December 2021 (UTC)
 * AH ok that makes much more sense. Thanks for the clarification. ― <b style="background:#0d1125;color:#51aeff;padding:1q;border-radius:5q;">Blaze Wolf</b>Talk<sub title="Discord Username" style="margin-left:-22q;">Blaze Wolf#6545 21:49, 17 December 2021 (UTC)
 * The draft will naturally disappear in 6 months but as you are the only substantial contributor you can edit the draft to include at the top and admin will clear it out at some point.  Slywriter (talk) 21:27, 17 December 2021 (UTC)

How do I make a new article?
Hello! I was wondering, how do I write a new article? I've just joined, and I've been poking around a little bit but I am still confused about where and how I should start writing one of my ideas. Thanks for your help! Mr.PhantomDuck (talk) 20:58, 17 December 2021 (UTC)Mr.PhantomDuck Mr.PhantomDuck (talk) 21:05, 17 December 2021 (UTC)
 * Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. Successfully creating a new article is probably the most difficult task to perform on Wikipedia.  New users who dive right in sometimes end up disappointed and frustrated as things happen to work that they spent hours on that they don't understand.  It's usually advised that new users first edit existing articles in areas that interest them, to get a feel for how Wikipedia operates and what is expected of article content.  We have over 6 million articles, most of which could use additional eyes.  If you first gain experience, you will be much more equipped to write a new article.  Using the new user tutorial will also help you.
 * If you still wish to attempt to write a new article now, please read Your First Article, and then visit Articles for Creation to create and submit a draft for another editor to review. 331dot (talk) 21:11, 17 December 2021 (UTC)

@331dot Thank you for your help! Mr.PhantomDuck (talk) 21:16, 17 December 2021 (UTC)Mr.PhantomDuck
 * New editors who attempt a new article as their first effort have a high failure rate, which frustrates many, who then never return. Better to start with improving existing articles. MUCH better to start by NOT submitting a flawed, unreferenced draft about yourself, as all that did was waste a reviewer's time looking at it and deleted it. David notMD (talk) 21:44, 17 December 2021 (UTC)
 * for many new editors citing good references seems to be their downfall. A lot of online sources, including a large percentage of YouTube videos, aren't considered reliable by Wikipedia standards. Avoid blog posts, social media cites, or anything produced by the subject of your article – unless you have another reliable reference as a backup for what you've written. You may find it helpful to read Citing sources. Best wishes on future Wikipedia projects. Karenthewriter (talk) 00:03, 18 December 2021 (UTC)

The Wire reliable or not? Getatchew Mekurya
Considering to go to WP:RSN but before that just want to throw it here as well, since there's no discussion/much interest in this article. see @Talk:Getatchew Mekurya the Wire comes with new information not mentioned elsewhere and some of that info that contradicts other earlier sources. My question is the Wire and the source they rely on Terp label behind the The Ex (band) which worked with the artist Getatchew Mekurya reliable? Dawit S Gondaria (talk) 23:24, 17 December 2021 (UTC)
 * Dawit S Gondaria, the place to ask is definitely WP:RSN. -- Hoary (talk) 00:25, 18 December 2021 (UTC)

How can I reply to reminders for a donation to say that I already do so
92.20.103.73 (talk) 22:45, 15 December 2021 (UTC)
 * You can't, but if you create an account you can disable the fundraising banners. RudolfRed (talk) 22:49, 15 December 2021 (UTC)
 * Welcome and thank you for your question about donations! To hide the fundraising banners, you can create an account, go into your preferences, navigate to the "Banners" tab, and uncheck "Fundraising". The Wikimedia Foundation does not track the identity of IP addresses, so it doesn't know your age, income level or whether you donated in the past. None of the Wikipedia volunteer editors here who add and improve content in articles receive any financial benefit. We all simply contribute our time because we care about building a great encyclopedia for you and innumerable others around the world to use. If you cannot afford it, no one wants you to donate. Wikipedia is not at risk of shutting down, and the Wikimedia Foundation, which hosts the Wikipedia platform and is asking for these donations, is richer than ever. We are led to believe that users who allow cookies are less likely to see these banners on repeat visits (further information is available here), and you are welcome to communicate directly with the donor-relations team by emailing  .  Thank you! — Tenryuu 🐲  ( 💬 • 📝 ) 23:38, 15 December 2021 (UTC)
 * I can confirm from a hands-on test that, when I'm logged-out and I click Close on the donation banner, it sets two copies of a 7-day cookie called  – one each for .wikipedia.org and en.wikipedia.org. The cookie content is  . If I clear just those specific cookies, the banner comes back.
 * I haven't worked out where the counter for "Hi. This is the 3rd time we’ve interrupted your reading recently,..." is stored.
 * . ⁓ Pelagic ( messages ) 22:33, 17 December 2021 (UTC)
 * Aha, the counter is stashed in web browsers' LocalStorage: key =, value =   ⁓ Pelagic ( messages ) 00:55, 18 December 2021 (UTC)

<i> Christmas is coming, the donation drive is back.

You have to put a penny in the Fou-undation's hat.

If you haven't got a penny then donate another day,

But we're asking you humb-e-ly, "please don't scroll away". </i>&mdash; Pelagic ⁓ Pelagic ( messages ) 22:50, 17 December 2021 (UTC)

Dealing with an uncomfirmed user
How do you deal with problems incurred from an unconfirmed user/ a user only with an IP address? I want to explain why i made the edits i did on a page to a person, but they literally can't have a usertalk. For the record, the page was the anime movie "Ninja Scroll". Starbeam2 (talk) 02:57, 18 December 2021 (UTC)
 * You can start a discussion on the talk page of the article. RudolfRed (talk) 02:58, 18 December 2021 (UTC)
 * You can also create User talk:89.159.251.169 if you like. Happy editing!  GoingBatty (talk) 03:00, 18 December 2021 (UTC)
 * Thank you both! I'll be on my way. Starbeam2 (talk) 04:27, 18 December 2021 (UTC)

Interlanguage linking
Hello, I have translated the Pornhub article into Hindi and I would require an admin to add it as a Wikidata entry since it's protected. Idk if this is the right place sorry lol ~User:ThisIsACreeper0101 (T &bull; C | Fandom ) 05:53, 15 December 2021 (UTC)
 * Ask at Wikidata - Wikidata is a separate project and admins here do not necessarily hold admin rights there. —<i style="color: #1E90FF;">A little blue Bori</i>  v^_^v  Jéské Couriano 05:54, 15 December 2021 (UTC)
 * Didn't need an admin; merely autoconfirmed.  --David Biddulph (talk) 06:23, 15 December 2021 (UTC)
 * Thanks both of you. Will keep that in mind. ~User:ThisIsACreeper0101 (T &bull; C | Fandom ) 08:13, 15 December 2021 (UTC)
 * I'd do it, but which language is missing? ⁓ Pelagic ( messages ) 18:04, 17 December 2021 (UTC)
 * Oops, ping @ThisIsACreeper0101 ⁓ Pelagic ( messages ) 18:05, 17 December 2021 (UTC)
 * @Pelagic Well David Biddulph has already done it, thanks for checking in tho ~User:ThisIsACreeper0101 (T &bull; C | Fandom ) 04:49, 18 December 2021 (UTC)

Recovering my old Wiki account - no email attached
Hi friends, not 100% sure if this is the right place to post (been a few months since I was active on Wikipedia!) I was locked out of my previous wiki account PotentPotables after having to reinstall Windows on my computer and losing the passwords...

I've tried the standard password reset stuff, but apparently I didn't attach an email account to it when I created it several years ago... I have used an email account through the Wikipedia Library and also through Wikipedia Asian Month, so was wondering if there was a way for the email address to be confirmed and linked to that account through those, so that I can continue editing under my old username.

Many thanks,

The user formerly known as PotentPotables 84.69.73.246 (talk) 00:50, 18 December 2021 (UTC)
 * If you don't know the password, and there is no email, then there is nothing that can be done. You will need to create a new account.  You can mention on the user page that you previously edited under the old username.  RudolfRed (talk) 01:43, 18 December 2021 (UTC)
 * Well there is an email, it's just not directly connected. I've used it for the Wikipedia Library before, and it still is connected through that. 84.69.73.246 (talk) 01:55, 18 December 2021 (UTC)
 * I am afraid that unless the email account was directly attached to Wikipedia, there is nothing that we can do here at the Teahouse. I've looked it up, the account currently doesn't has an email adress in the corresponding database field, which means there is nothing to send a reset password to as far as the reset password functionality goes. Wth regards to confirming the email adress via Wikipedia library, I doubt this will be done. Since The Wikipedia Library uses a seperate database from the main MediaWiki installations that pwoer Wikipedia, this means that in order to do a password reset, the email adress has to be manually inserted & confirmed in the databases behind Wikipedia by one of the few system administrators. I don't know wether inquiring them in this case would be sucessfull, though. Victor Schmidt (talk) 06:17, 18 December 2021 (UTC)

can't find the direct link of wikipedia for chak beli khan page.
Sir! I write and publish a page about chak beli khan(a town in Rawalpindi Punjab Pakistan), But when I search for Chak beli Khan on Google, I can't find the direct link of wikipedia for chak beli khan page.What could be the reason? Kindly help me in this regard...

I shall be very grateful! Ak131001 (talk) 05:59, 18 December 2021 (UTC)
 * Unless you have autopatrol status, your article will need to be patrolled before Google indexes it, or it will automatically be indexed after a few months. The delay is intended to prevent inferior articles from being indexed and showing up in search results. <b style="color:#7F007F">TimTempleton</b> <sup style="color:#800080">(talk) <sup style="color:#7F007F">(cont)  06:08, 18 December 2021 (UTC)
 * Looking at the references being used in the article, there's a very high chance it'll get draftified. — Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 07:53, 18 December 2021 (UTC)

Twinkle
What does the "vandalism" and "rollback" buttons do when looking at someones contributions? ― <b style="background:#000;color:#f07b3a;padding:1q;border-radius:5q;">Kaleeb18</b>Talk<sub style="position:relative;right:20q;margin-right:-15px;">Caleb 14:12, 18 December 2021 (UTC)


 * Hello, and welcome to the Teahouse. The vandalism buttons revert vandalism, and the rollback button is reverting, but with explanation. This includes no reliable sources added by another user, or unexplained removal, etc. Vandalism button is just for vandalism only, with no explanation (since clearly it may be vandalism.) Happy editing! Severe  storm  28  14:19, 18 December 2021 (UTC)
 * Gotcha and Thank you. ― <b style="background:#000;color:#f07b3a;padding:1q;border-radius:5q;">Kaleeb18</b>Talk<sub style="position:relative;right:20q;margin-right:-15px;">Caleb 14:43, 18 December 2021 (UTC)

Adding jpeg image references to new submissions
I have several .jpg images for my new submission "Barbara Borin forged a path for women in sports..." In addition to the numerous reliably sourced news articles already cited, there are several sports and celebrity photos with Barbara Borin, Pres. Clinton's letterhead invitation to join his Inaugural Committee, etc. What is the best way to add these to my submission awaiting approval? Csels (talk) 15:07, 18 December 2021 (UTC)
 * , assuming the photo has a publisher, Template:Cite AV media should work well. in the "type" parameter write "Image".  Gerald WL  15:51, 18 December 2021 (UTC)

Bear Creek Studio
Hello,

I thought it would be fun to fix up the Bear Creek Studio page. Once I started digging into it, I quickly realized the source code and works cited are super messy and it would be so much easier to just rewrite the page. They have plenty of notability, I'd like to completely rework the works cited. They were mentioned in Dave Grohl's new book, that's how I learned about them. When I looked them up on Google New listings there are tons of reputable sources about them and they have a long list of hit records they have produced. So finding good sources isn't a problem.

So my question is: Is that not kosher to just up and re-do a page? I'm new to Wikipedia so I don't want to have poor user etiquette. What's the best approach in this situation? There is a Record Production Project sub-project within the Music Project, but it looks like it hasn't been active since 2012. Otherwise I would reach out to the Record Production Project group about it, but I don't anticipate anyone would see me since the Record Production Project hasn't been active over the past 10 years.

Cheers Groovymama (talk) 20:28, 17 December 2021 (UTC)
 * Eh, this isn't a case of WP:TNT, so it's better to try to improve it. This isn't a super long and established article, but it does have a history dating back to 2013 that involves multiple editors who put time and effort into it. I'd encourage you to salvage as much as you can from the existing article and incorporate/rephrase that into a "new" version, taking care to not omit any sourced information that is already present. You'll probably find it less time-consuming that way. ◢ <i style="background-color:#F7E3F7; color:#960596"> Ganbaruby! </i>  (talk) 20:58, 17 December 2021 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the guidance! I'm confused by what Authority Control means.  This article says Autority Control MusicBrainz, could you help me understand what that's all about?  When I clicked the Authority Control link it didn't really make since to me in this context.  Cheers
 * You don't need to worry about the Authority Control: just edit the main part of the article. As the help at H:AC describes, these just ensure that the article's title is integrated into various external library catalogues. Whatever you wish to improve in the article won't alter this. Mike Turnbull (talk) 16:19, 18 December 2021 (UTC)

Why isn't my link showing up?
Hello, I'd like to add a link to the page to the page Bear Creek Studio. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bear_Creek_Studio (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Albums_recorded_at_Bear_Creek_Studio)

I added a discography section with the link below. For some reason my link isn't visible when I publish my changes. I can't figure out what I'm doing wrong.

Cheers Groovymama (talk) 16:28, 18 December 2021 (UTC)
 * , helped you with that. If you want to make a link to a category but not put it in the category section, put a colon at the beginning of the wikilink, for example Category:Albums recorded at Bear Creek Studio  Gerald WL  16:35, 18 December 2021 (UTC)

What to do if you want to merge identical pages.
The pages Megapnosaurus and Megapnosaurus rhodesiensis are literally identical, save for the name used in the title, intro, and taxobox. How should I merge them, or should I delete one and make a redirect? Logosvenator wikiensis (talk) 23:55, 17 December 2021 (UTC)
 * It's clear that something is wrong. Please continue the related discussion that's already at Talk:Megapnosaurus_rhodesiensis. -- Hoary (talk) 00:31, 18 December 2021 (UTC)
 * I just went to the discussion and pinged the user who overwrote the redirect. Thanks for the heads up. <b style="color:#7F007F">TimTempleton</b> <sup style="color:#800080">(talk) <sup style="color:#7F007F">(cont)  19:16, 18 December 2021 (UTC)

Images
How do I merge pictures like they did in the infobox in the article Cincinnati because i want to replace the image that shows the Roebling bridge with this one. ― <b style="background:#000;color:#f07b3a;padding:1q;border-radius:5q;">Kaleeb18</b>Talk<sub style="position:relative;right:20q;margin-right:-15px;">Caleb 19:40, 18 December 2021 (UTC)
 * It is called photomontage. Ruslik_ Zero 20:02, 18 December 2021 (UTC)

UserNruasPaoYPP/sandbox/Draft: ChongBlia Yang
Hello,

Could you help me to understand what reviewer is saying please? Below is what "reviewer" left for me. The proposed article does not have sufficient content to require an article of its own, but it could be merged into the existing article at Draft:ChongBlia Yang. Since anyone can edit Wikipedia, you are welcome to add that information yourself. Thank you.

Here is my Draft:ChongBlia Yang https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:NruasPaoYPP/sandbox

My wish is to get the Draft:ChongBlia Yang accepted in Wikipedia as a standalone page such as any others. From there, I can use it and link it to my previous article which is "Ban Phou Pheung Noi" and to any other pages if I want.

What reviewer wants to say by this " but it could be merged into the existing article at Draft:ChongBlia Yang"? Please help me to understand what it means and what I can do to "merge into the existing article at Draft:ChongBlia Yang. Should I have to find and edit sufficient content into the article before?

Thank you, I appreciate it.2601:448:8400:7E80:0:0:0:C327 (talk) 16:07, 18 December 2021 (UTC) 2601:448:8400:7E80:0:0:0:C327 (talk) 16:07, 18 December 2021 (UTC)
 * Welcome to the Teahouse. What that means is there is already a draft that existed before yours, and it would be better to add information to that draft instead of continuing with yours; Wikipedia is a collaborative project, after all. — Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 17:05, 18 December 2021 (UTC)


 * Hello, IP user (are you ? If so, please remember to login!). NruasPaoYPP seems to have made two separate attempt to create drafts of this article, first at User:NruasPaoYPP/sandbox in April, and then at Draft:ChongBlia Yang in October. They (you?) submitted the sandbox for review, and the reviewer found that there was also a draft and suggested merging them, as review will not usually go ahead if there are two separate drafts of the same article. Either merge them together, or (if you think there is nothing in the Draft: that needs saving, then because NruasPaoYPP is the only substantial contributor to Draft:Chongblia Yang, they may request its deletion by pasting   at the top.
 * But I'll tell you that neither version has any chance of being accepted at present, because neither of them has a source for anything whatever about ChongBlia Yang. I don't know whether or not The Joshua Project counts as a reliable source, but this is irrelevant, because nothing cited has substantial coverage of Chongblia Yang, and without that, neither draft does anything to establish that he meets Wikipedia's criteria for notability. For pretty well all the information in the draft, yYou need to say which reliably published source, wholly unconnected with ChongBlia Yang, contains that information: see your first article and referencing for beginners. --ColinFine (talk) 17:19, 18 December 2021 (UTC)
 * Correction - I had the capitalisation wrong in the name of the draft: it's Draft:ChongBlia Yang. I see you have had your sandbox deleted. Well done. --ColinFine (talk) 22:29, 18 December 2021 (UTC)

{Bende egitilmek istiyorum}78.180.7.191 (talk)
Egitim istegi 78.180.7.191 (talk) 21:52, 18 December 2021 (UTC)


 * This is the English Wikipedia. You can get help on the Turkish Wikipedia at tr:Vikipedi:Danışma masası. --ColinFine (talk) 22:34, 18 December 2021 (UTC)

Talk page warnings
Today I found myself with warnings that I believe I might not deserve. While I wait for a response from the editor who placed the warnings, I'll go back to the edits themselves:

The first edit I get why now. The content in question probably was unneeded for the article and would belong in another. However, it can be disregarded as that was a different matter and a different editor.

The second was regarding this edit, where I added a template saying that the WP:TIME shortcut redirected somewhere and the Time WikiProject was somewhere else. The link was correct, but WP:Time, an alternative capitalization, had the alternate target.

The last regarded these three edits, which is in question. It's an essay, but I got a TPV warning for it. Not sure how.

If anyone is willing to clarify anything, let me know. I'll be watching this page for the next few days waiting for responses. 172.112.210.32 (talk) 22:43, 18 December 2021 (UTC)


 * I have already asked on my talk page whether the warnings were justified and opened this thread in the meantime. 172.112.210.32 (talk) 22:59, 18 December 2021 (UTC)

teorema de pitágoras/Pitágoras . Qual é o teorema de pitágoras?
Carla Bernardete Delgado Josefino (talk) 23:01, 18 December 2021 (UTC)

Carla Bernardete Delgado Josefino (talk) 23:02, 18 December 2021 (UTC)
 * Hello, . This is the Teahouse for the English language Wikipedia and we converse in English here. Please read Pythagorean theorem. Cullen328 (talk) 23:23, 18 December 2021 (UTC)
 * @Carla Bernardete Delgado Josefino - hello and welcome to the Teahouse on English Wikipedia. If Google translate is correct, you're looking for Pythagorean theorem, but you might be more interested in the Portuguese or Spanish version. Please use English here on en Wiki. Wikignome Wintergreen talk 23:25, 18 December 2021 (UTC)
 * @Wikignome Wintergreen I just twinkled them a welcome message in Portuguese (they have non English welcome greetings too) ~ 🦝 Shushugah (he/him • talk) 00:03, 19 December 2021 (UTC)

Bong Gong
I’m making a page on BONG GONG but since it’s a really isolated and unknown dessert I can’t provide a lot of evidence. Before making the page I did interview one of the colonists so I can be informed on the dessert, and I also have a picture, but apart from that, I have no more evidence SeldonTheGreatMasterOfHumanity (talk) 15:07, 18 December 2021 (UTC)
 * I have tagged it for speedy deletion as a hoax. Theroadislong (talk) 15:25, 18 December 2021 (UTC)
 * Draft:Bong Gong Declined (no references, presumed blatant hoax), and tagged for Speedy deletion. Soon it will have vanished from the Wikipedia universe, leaving no trace of its brief existance.David notMD (talk) 17:30, 18 December 2021 (UTC)
 * And now it has vanished from the Wikipedia universe, leaving no trace of its brief exist[e]nce.  Gerald WL  02:42, 19 December 2021 (UTC)

Would Like to Merge A Page
Misjudged the amount of information available for page Hello, it would seem I overestimated the amount of information available for a locally owned newspaper, especially for someone who has never been to the location. It would seem the original owner, the Clermont Sun Publishing Company, inc, had serval other newspapers, or at least according to the Ohio Security of State website. https://bizimage.ohiosos.gov/api/image/pdf/5486_0651 https://bizimage.ohiosos.gov/api/image/pdf/200110002356 I would like to create a page called Clermont Sun Publishing Company, Inc., than merge it with The Highland County Press. I hope this will allow it to meet Wikipedia's guidelines. Does this sound reasonable? P3771 (talk) 23:20, 16 December 2021 (UTC)
 * Hello and welcome. Are there independent sources that are reliable, to show the notability of the publishing company? That should be addressed first. Pyrrho the Skeptic (talk) 01:12, 17 December 2021 (UTC)
 * Do you have any advice for verifying sources? Other then the images from the Ohio government website, I think my sources include an obituary from the papers, https://browncountypress.com/news/100/william-c-latham-and-a-legacy-of-service, and https://opencorporates.com/companies/us_oh/1872832. P3771 (talk) 03:01, 19 December 2021 (UTC)

How to report a page or user?
Was trying to read up on the Japanese gyaru subculture, but the page is an absolute mess. It seems to have been largely written by a non-native English speaker, but aside from that, there seems to be far too much detail--including a lot of irrelevant info--and some of the information is just subjective opinions on the subculture.

I've never edited a Wikipedia article and know nothing about gyaru (ergo why I was reading the article in the first place, haha) so I doubt I'm the right person to fix it, is there anything I can do to bring up the issue to someone who is? 104.188.120.175 (talk) 03:13, 19 December 2021 (UTC)
 * All articles have talk pages that you can use to discuss how to improve the article (in this case, Talk:Gyaru). If you don't get much responce there, I'd drop a note at WT:WikiProject Japan. —<i style="color: #1E90FF;">A little blue Bori</i>  v^_^v  Jéské Couriano 03:56, 19 December 2021 (UTC)

My page isn't published after 6 months
I can't figure out if my wikipedia page is published. It doesn't come up in a search so I think it isn't. How so I fix this? I hit the "publish" button 6 months ago. Can anybody help? Diannaippolito (talk) 06:54, 19 December 2021 (UTC)
 * Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. I think you are referring to your user page; user pages are not article space, and not searchable by search engines. It is "published" in that it exists, but it is not formally part of the encyclopedia. New users cannot directly create articles(but they can create user pages, which is probably why you did so) and need to use Articles for Creation to create and submit draft articles.
 * Be advised that, while not forbidden, autobiographical articles are highly discouraged, per the autobiography policy, in part because people naturally write favorably about themselves. To succeed in writing about yourself, you must set aside everything you know about yourself and all materials put out by you, and only write summarizing what independent reliable sources with significant coverage have chosen to say about you. Please see Your First Article. 331dot (talk) 06:58, 19 December 2021 (UTC)

Draft:Ahmed Al-Harrasi Edited
Hi, My draft is Draft:Ahmed Al-Harrasi, and link is https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Ahmed_Al-Harrasi it was declined due to primary citation, i removed that now there is one secondry citation to my draft Please help me! Ahmed Al Harrasi (talk) 11:41, 19 December 2021 (UTC)
 * ALL CONTENT MUST BE REFERENCED. Draft:Ahmed Al-Harrasi, as written, has information about education, academic appointments, etc. Do not resubmit until references are added, David notMD (talk) 11:56, 19 December 2021 (UTC)
 * , I'm not sure if you saw my answer at Teahouse/Questions/Archive 1134, but this is what I was trying to explain. It's not just about the use of secondary versus primary sources, but that large parts of the draft have no references at all. Cordless Larry (talk) 14:06, 19 December 2021 (UTC)

How to handle links to a domain that's been taken over
Doing a link search, I find six instances of a domain (ocweb.org) that seems to have been taken over. It appears to have referred in the past to pages published by an organization in Israel. Now, it has no content other than a list of links to "best deal on this" and "best deal on that". It's obviously been taken over. So, how best to edit the pages containing these links in respect to two considerations:


 * 1) the domain may have been legitimately transferred, and has a new master
 * 2) the domain my have been fraudulently taken over, and may return to the control of its rightful master


 * 1) I want to find the link to the original content
 * 2) I can't be bothered to do that, and just want to remove the incorrect link

Thanks. signed, Willondon (talk) 14:24, 19 December 2021 (UTC)
 * Hi . How this is dealt with often depends upon whether the link in question was added as a citation or as an external link. For the former, please take a look at WP:DEADREF; for the latter, please take a look at WP:ELDEAD. Generally, citations aren't necessarily removed simply because a link goes dead; often there are archived versions of the source that can either be found online or offine. Since sources cited as references aren't required to be available online, they don't automatically lose their value when they can no longer be accessed online. With respect to external links, archived versions can sometimes be found, but often the links are removed when there's no chance at all of an archived version being found since their value is largely based upon their being accessible online in some form. -- Marchjuly (talk) 14:34, 19 December 2021 (UTC)


 * Thanks. I left alone one link I found in an archive (http://www.ocweb.org/index.php/israel_school_guide/school/yeshivat_eretz_hatzvi is linked from Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Judaism/Archive 24) . — Preceding unsigned comment added by Willondon (talk • contribs)

Copyright Comment
Hi there, I am having trouble understanding copyright. Is there a cheatsheet anywhere to assist? I have read all the policies, but if there is a simple table or guide that would be great. Cheers - Such-change47 (talk) 04:57, 19 December 2021 (UTC) Such-change47 (talk) 04:57, 19 December 2021 (UTC)
 * Copyright of what? Text on Wikipedia? Text in a book? Images at Commons? Images somewhere on the Internet? Could you be a little more specific about what you're having trouble with? ◢ <i style="background-color:#F7E3F7; color:#960596"> Ganbaruby! </i>  (talk) 05:09, 19 December 2021 (UTC)
 * you are right, my question was unhelpfully vague. I'll give an example. On the wikipedia article Mark Valera, I am trying to improve it I want to add some photos. His crimes were widely televised, with many tv stations broadcasting his image, and snapshots from his police interviews used. If you google his name, many of these images are used by different news sites. There is no way the news sites themselves could own the copyright. If the images are so widely used like this, are they public domain? I wish there was a way for me to check a specific image so I could see if it is allowed on Wikipedia. Are non-free images ever allowed up? I read that policy and the answer seems to be 'sometimes' but I am scared of uploading anything out of fear of a warning for copyright breach, so want to learn before I try anything - Such-change47 (talk) 05:15, 19 December 2021 (UTC)
 * also if something has this creative commons link does that mean it is okay to use on wikipedia? Such-change47 (talk) 05:18, 19 December 2021 (UTC)
 * Ah ok. You cannot automatically assume that an image is public domain just because it's widely published; rather, you have to make sure that the original entity that first published the image published it under a free license. Whether or not mugshots are public domain fall under a very big "it depends": I know that if it was produced by the US federal government then it is, but since we're dealing with an Aussie here I'm not sure how it works. WP:ICT/FL shows the different licenses that Wikipedia considers "free enough"; note that not all types of Creative Commons licenses are ok (for example, CC BY-NC-ND is not compatible). Additionally, there is this "bypass" known as fair use, but you must demonstrate that the image has "no free equivalent" (mugshots could possibly be ok, but I'm not sure). Remember that if you are not certain that an image is free, don't upload it, it's not the end of the world. I suggest going to Media copyright questions and asking about the specific image you're trying to upload. ◢ <i style="background-color:#F7E3F7; color:#960596"> Ganbaruby! </i>  (talk) 05:35, 19 December 2021 (UTC)
 * Such-change47 the major reason for copyrighting a photo is to make money, so its likely someone took a good photo of Mark Valera, and then licensed it out to various news sites, who paid a fee in order to use the photo. If a hundred places paid to use the same copyrighted photo, the photo still belongs to the copyright holder. As Ganbaruby advised you, if you're not 100% sure you are allowed to use a photo don't take chances. Karenthewriter (talk) 06:06, 19 December 2021 (UTC)
 * thanks all! Such-change47 (talk) 06:16, 19 December 2021 (UTC)
 * A couple of other comments. WP:MUG specifically advises against using police mugshots in articles, one of the things that wasn't sure about. Also, "fair use" pictures of living people are virtually never acceptable because someone could take an equivalent freely-licensed picture later. See WP:NFC. Note that detailed questions about copyright are better asked at Commons: see Commons:Village_pump/Copyright Mike Turnbull (talk) 15:28, 19 December 2021 (UTC)

Word Tables
Is there any way to copy word 2019 tables and convert to wiki tables? ― <b style="background:linear-gradient(45deg,#f05,#b49);border:2px solid #000;padding:2px;color:#ef4;">Itcouldbepossible</b>Talk 15:10, 19 December 2021 (UTC)


 * @Itcouldbepossible Hi again. You could easily do it by first moving the tables into Excel and converting those using this tool: https://excel2wiki.toolforge.org/. Cheers, Nick Moyes (talk) 15:25, 19 December 2021 (UTC)
 * @Nick Moyes Thanks again. ― <b style="background:linear-gradient(45deg,#f05,#b49);border:2px solid #000;padding:2px;color:#ef4;">Itcouldbepossible</b>Talk 15:47, 19 December 2021 (UTC)

How do I find out which Wikipedia editors have the most page watchers?
Is there a way to rank editors according to how many page watchers they have? I’m not very familiar with a lot of the technical stuff on Wikipedia so I’d appreciate it if someone could help me out. Thanks! 2604:2D80:B18B:C600:4F4:C802:E7BE:2B56 (talk) 23:32, 18 December 2021 (UTC)
 * By "how many page watchers they have", do you mean "how many pages they watch"? If you do, not as far as I know. If you don't, then I don't know what you mean. Incidentally, it's not necessary to be familiar with most of the technical stuff. What's appreciated are judicious, well-referenced, improvements to articles. -- Hoary (talk) 23:36, 18 December 2021 (UTC)
 * I'm pretty sure they mean how many talk page watchers they have. ThadeusOfNazerethTalk to Me! 23:42, 18 December 2021 (UTC)
 * Personally, I watch 30 articles (which includes the article Talk pages) and no editors. David notMD (talk) 00:55, 19 December 2021 (UTC)
 * AFAIK this is a statistic (# of watchlists) whose knowledge is limited to admins since it's a bit too valuable for vandals. —<i style="color: #1E90FF;">A little blue Bori</i>  v^_^v  Jéské Couriano 02:21, 19 December 2021 (UTC)
 * What do you intend to use this information for? If the goal is to post a notice that a number of editors may see, perhaps that a relevant WP:NOTICEBOARD would suit, — Paleo  Neonate  – 17:26, 19 December 2021 (UTC)

Is this Non-admin closure correct?
Hi Everyone,

I marked this page for deletion via afd. One of its contributor User:Sasan mazloumi who closed this afd as speedy keep. I have a strong feeling of COI/un-disclosed paid. Need your honest reviews. Also look at the message that was posted on my talk page by creator of the article here. DMySon (talk) 11:02, 19 December 2021 (UTC)


 * That was a bad close for several reasons. You clearly did not withdraw the nomination, so the rationale "nomination withdrawn" wasn't valid. The closer also removed several comments from the discussion, and they (the closer) had participated in the discussion. --bonadea contributions talk 11:08, 19 December 2021 (UTC)
 * Thank You Bonadea, Should i take this to administrator's attention? Or you can deal with it. DMySon (talk) 11:12, 19 December 2021 (UTC)
 * per WP:CLOSECHALLENGE, close challenges of XfD's go to WP:DRV. Make sure to read the page intro there. Victor Schmidt (talk) 11:17, 19 December 2021 (UTC)
 * Thank You Victor Schmidt, I think it is not necessary now, one other editor Marchjuly has also re-stored the previous version. DMySon (talk) 11:23, 19 December 2021 (UTC)
 * I'm not an administrator, but I restored the discussion and re-added the AfD notice to the article's page. or any of the other admins who are a Teahouse host, and asking that one of them check to make sure I've done things correctly. I'll leave warning the editor who tried to close the discussion to an admin. I skipped CLOSECHALLENGE since it seemed to be an obviously improper NAC, but feel free to revert me if that was too bold. -- Marchjuly (talk) 11:20, 19 December 2021 (UTC); [Note: Post edited by Marchjuly to strikethrough part about restoring the AfD discussion. See below for more details. -- 11:34, 19 December 2021 (UTC)]
 * Thank You User:Marchjuly. DMySon (talk) 11:24, 19 December 2021 (UTC)
 * @DMySon I have left an 'only warning' for the editor who attempted to interfere with the AfD process, and they will be probably be blocked if they attempt anything so daft again. Thanks, Nick Moyes (talk) 11:58, 19 December 2021 (UTC)
 * Thank You Nick. DMySon (talk) 12:02, 19 December 2021 (UTC)
 * Actually, and I must have been trying to restore the discussion at the same time and they got to it first. So, technically, Bonadea is the one you should be thanking. If the same editor tries to close the discussion again, don't engage any edit warring over the close. Instead seek administrator assistance either via WP:CLOSECHALLENGE or at WP:AN. -- 11:34, 19 December 2021 (UTC)
 * Two minds with but a single thought! :-) --bonadea contributions talk 19:20, 19 December 2021 (UTC)

WikiAudio
Audio version of wikipedia What if Wikipedia had read articles, it would be much more engaging to have an article being read at the same time as when you are reading it yourself, I find reading long articles for research tiresome after a while, so this addition may make it interesting. 80.0.104.115 (talk) 17:07, 19 December 2021 (UTC)
 * Your browser may well be able to do this. I use MS Edge, where this is an option on the Settings menu. Chrome should be similar. Mike Turnbull (talk) 17:12, 19 December 2021 (UTC)
 * Alternatively you could download the page as a .pdf file (menu on all Wikipedia pages). Recent versions of Adobe acrobat reader have an option to read-out-loud these files. Mike Turnbull (talk) 17:19, 19 December 2021 (UTC)


 * In Chrome, select the text, right click on the selection, and choose "speech". Also note that many of the major artilces have a spoken version available. See Spoken articles.--Shantavira|feed me 19:20, 19 December 2021 (UTC)

Want to host a bio page for an artist, with pictures.
Want to start an article with an artist bio with pictures and social handles. Please help Aajayi27 (talk) 22:36, 19 December 2021 (UTC)
 * Pictures and social media handles are the absolute last things you should concern yourself about. Sources are king. —<i style="color: #1E90FF;">A little blue Bori</i>  v^_^v  Jéské Couriano 22:40, 19 December 2021 (UTC)
 * @, hello and welcome to the Teahouse, do you mean an artist or artiste? the former paints the latter sings, in any case, as, my colleague already stated it wouldn’t be a good idea, you probably want to look at WP:YFA first. Celestina007 (talk) 22:48, 19 December 2021 (UTC)
 * Hello,, and welcome to the Teahouse. I'm afraid that your wording suggests that, like many people, you have a fundamental misunderstanding of what Wikipedia is. You cannot "host a bio page" at Wikipedia, for anybody. What you can do, if the person meets Wikipedia's criteria for notability, is to write an encyclopaedia article about an artist. This article will not belong to the artist, will not be controlled by the artist, may end up with contents that the artist does not like, and should be based almost entirely on what people who have no connection with the artist have chosen to publish about the artist in reliable sources, not on what the artist or their associates say or want to say. Please read what Wikipedia is not and your first article. If you have a connection with the artist, please also read about conflict of interest. --ColinFine (talk) 22:53, 19 December 2021 (UTC)


 * Hi there! WP:AUTO explains that Wikipedia strongly discourages autobiographies. Creating a new article is one of the hardest things to do on Wikipedia, especially when you have a conflict of interest (COI). To learn how to edit, you could view Help:Introduction and The Wikipedia Adventure. I suggest then spending a significant amount of time editing existing articles to hone your skills. When you're ready to create an article, you would gather independent reliable sources that have provided significant coverage of you (as stated above), and determine whether you meet Wikipedia's criteria for inclusion, called "notability". If so, you would first declare your COI on your user page. Then follow the instructions at Help:Your first article (as  kindly stated above), and be prepared for a process that may include months of waiting, rejections, and rewrites, before an article is created. If you are successful, then you could never edit the article directly due to your COI, but could submit edit requests on the article talk page. Hope this helps. GoingBatty (talk) 22:56, 19 December 2021 (UTC)

check wikilink for new article
Yesterday I posted a new article for John Custis who served in the Virginia House of Burgesses representing Northumberland County on Virginia's Eastern Shore late in the 17th century. Since three members had the same name (father, son and grandson), today I tried to fix the links in the list of House of Burgesses members. I suspect that yesterday I initially mistakenly clicked on the link for "John Curtis", who represented Lancaster County of the Northern Neck Region in the 1660 assembly, and who does not yet have an article. I don't know how to fix the error, and would appreciate someone doing it for me. Thanks.Jweaver28 (talk) 22:23, 19 December 2021 (UTC) Jweaver28 (talk) 22:23, 19 December 2021 (UTC)
 * The new article you created was at John Curtis (burgess), which I moved to John Custis (burgess). Now the link you changed at List of members of the Virginia House of Burgesses in  will work as you expected.  Happy editing!  GoingBatty (talk) 22:51, 19 December 2021 (UTC)
 * Shouldn't the name 'burgess' have a capital letter, as Burgess seems to be a proper noun? Cheers NM Demo (talk) 23:31, 19 December 2021 (UTC) (alt account of User:Nick Moyes)
 * @NM Demo, "burgess" wouldn't be capitalized when referring to the position, only when used in the title of someone in that position (like "governor" vs. "Governor Smith" at Henry Smith (Rhode Island governor)). Wikignome Wintergreen talk 23:37, 19 December 2021 (UTC)
 * So 'burgess' is a role is it? Fair enough. That wasn't clear from the article I skimmed through. Thanks. NM Demo (talk) 23:40, 19 December 2021 (UTC)
 * Yep, burgess, not Burgess. Wikignome Wintergreen talk 23:45, 19 December 2021 (UTC)

Is there a tool for suggesting key words to search for based on an article?
Something that will find all proper nouns and rare terminology in an article? Better yet, is there a wiki page listing similar tools? Ran8dom9 (talk) 02:24, 17 December 2021 (UTC)


 * @Ran8dom9 Do you mean: "is there a way to analyse an article for sufficiently unusual keywords which would later on help you or other users to re-find that article?" That sounds somewhat oxymoronic to me. But WP:WIKILINKS within an article do help you find other articles relevant to the source page. I'm not sure if there's a tool available that would simply list all those wikilinks in a page. You may wish to follow links at Tools where I found 'Find Link'. I've not assessed how it operates, but I used it on Mont Blanc massif and found these results which might interest you. Sorry I can't help further. Nick Moyes (talk) 13:56, 17 December 2021 (UTC)


 * @Nick Moyes

"re-find that article?" no. to find other internet pages not part of wikipedia with something interesting in them regarding the current article. Ran8dom9 (talk) 03:06, 19 December 2021 (UTC)


 * @Ran8dom9 Obviously, the References section give you those. But I think you’ll have to use your own skills with a search engine to find stuff. Whenever an article is put up for a Deletion discussion, there’s a template of search tool links provided to help users find new sources. You could investigate that, if you wished. Nick Moyes (talk) 09:16, 19 December 2021 (UTC)


 * @Nick Moyes you mean something like Find sources: ".17 Rimfire" – news · newspapers · books · scholar · JSTOR ? This is useful. Ran8dom9 (talk) 00:00, 20 December 2021 (UTC)
 * Those search links are also included in the header at the top of article talk pages. 86.23.109.101 (talk) 00:16, 20 December 2021 (UTC)

I don't know what to make of this situation
I really don't know what to make of this, but I ran across a user 'Slurponmybigkurac12'. They made some edits (apparently personal attacks in Serbian) to other users' talk pages, so I reverted and warned them and left a note on the targeted editors' talk page saying that it was vandalized and it was reverted (so they don't get an OBOD and don't know where it came from).

Then, this user came to my talk page to say they were having a hard time in real life (appeal to pity?), apologize, and call me a 'bitch'.

I also checked their edit filter log, and it was kind of alarming. I saw 'persistent sockpuppetry', 'common vandal phrases', 'LTA 1053', and 'vandalism in all caps'.

Now, they're coming back to have a converation with me.

Are they acting in good faith or bad faith? What do I do? --67.183.136.85 (talk) 23:37, 19 December 2021 (UTC)
 * Report them to WP:AN/I. Their excuses are just that, and they don't justify their abusive behaviour. —<i style="color: #1E90FF;">A little blue Bori</i>  v^_^v  Jéské Couriano 23:38, 19 December 2021 (UTC)
 * Hello IP editor. Very clearly Bad Faith! I have just indefinitely blocked them for harassment, for having a deeply offensive username (in Bosnian) and for being a bloody nuisance. Your assessment of their edit filter work was spot on. You may delete all their garbage from your userpage. If you'd prefer me to hide it permanently from view, please just let me know on my userpage, as I am an administrator here, and won't tolerate that kind of interaction with female editors if it makes them uncomfortable in any way. Wikipedia should be a safe space for anyone to work in. Kind regards, Nick Moyes (talk) 23:55, 19 December 2021 (UTC)
 * Got it! I guess I forgot to put it through Google Translate immediately, like I do when the whole thing is in another language. I'll also make sure to be less tolerant of this stuff (especially with the vandal phrases and all caps). --67.183.136.85 (talk) 00:09, 20 December 2021 (UTC)
 * No problem. There are too many hormone or politics-driven ****s out there for female editors to have to deal with. Be firm. WP:UAA or WP:AIV are often the first ports of call, but WP:ANI is the best 'port of call' if you're feeling intimidated and need 'eyes on' what's happening. NM Demo (talk) 00:19, 20 December 2021 (UTC) (alt account of User:Nick Moyes)

Links
Am I allowed to remove links that no longer work, or at least add a notice that they are broken? — Preceding unsigned comment added by IcyTheApple (talk • contribs) 02:30, 18 December 2021 (UTC)
 * Welcome to the Teahouse! Presuming you're referring to external links (i.e. links to other websites), you can add dead link if you don't want to fix it yourself. Another editor may be able to fix the link or find an archived version. Thanks for asking, and happy editing! GoingBatty (talk) 02:59, 18 December 2021 (UTC)
 * In other words, no, please do not remove dead links, as these leave a clue to original sources, without which it may be hard to track back to them. See WP:DEADLINK. NM Demo (talk) 02:31, 20 December 2021 (UTC)

What's my actual issue
2409:4073:4E9F:2930:DC13:2F26:50E4:E759 (talk) 18:56, 19 December 2021 (UTC)
 * @2409:4073, do you have a question? Is this about your draft being rejected? — Berrely  • Talk∕Contribs 19:01, 19 December 2021 (UTC)
 * Please also read WP:AUTOBIOGRAPHY, as writing about yourself is not advisable. Nick Moyes (talk) 19:27, 19 December 2021 (UTC)

Whats is the issue with my content — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2409:4073:4E9F:2930:DC13:2F26:50E4:E759 (talk)
 * Courtesy link: Draft:NANDHAGOPAN V Karenthewriter (talk) 19:02, 19 December 2021 (UTC)


 * Your draft article is not notable, and is not suitable for inclusion on Wikipedia. &#123;{u&#124; Sdkb  }&#125;  talk 19:06, 19 December 2021 (UTC)
 * STATUS: Declined four times, then Rejected. Appears that you User:Nandhu41095 as the creator has requested a Speedy deletion, so it will vanish soon. The issue is that you provided no references even though the reviewers repeated asked for references. Youtube clips are not accepted as references. David notMD (talk) 19:16, 19 December 2021 (UTC)
 * And the user recreated the draft three mins after a G7 speedy: Draft:NANDHAGOPAN V and Draft:Nandhagopan V. – NJD-DE (talk) 19:46, 19 December 2021 (UTC)
 * Both new (identical) drafts tagged for SD. David notMD (talk) 21:01, 19 December 2021 (UTC)
 * And creating editor indef blocked. David notMD (talk) 03:34, 20 December 2021 (UTC)

AfC and Page protection
At what point does one gain the ability?

AfC reviewer
At what point does one gain the ability to become an AfC reviewer / review Drafts then decline or approve them? Motlatlaneo (talk) 02:31, 19 December 2021 (UTC)
 * This is not a userright, but you are expected to be very familiar with Wikipedia's sourcing, neutrality and notability policies or else you will risk being topic-banned from reviewing drafts. And violating a topic ban can be grounds for a block. —<i style="color: #1E90FF;">A little blue Bori</i>  v^_^v  Jéské Couriano 02:34, 19 December 2021 (UTC)
 * As Jéské Couriano says, it is not a userright, but to use the reviewer script you need to meet the criteria that were explained to you last time you asked about this. I linked to those answers below. --bonadea contributions talk 08:48, 19 December 2021 (UTC)

Here is content from your October query and my reply:

Reviewers accept or decline (or reject) drafts. AfC reviewers must have:
 * a Wikipedia account at least 90 days old.
 * a minimum of 500 undeleted edits to articles (this is not the same as total number of edits).
 * thoroughly read and understood the reviewing instructions.
 * a demonstrated understanding of the policies and guidelines mentioned in the reviewing instructions, including the various notability guidelines.
 * reasonable evidence of understanding the deletion policy (experience in areas such as CSD/AfD/PROD or page curation, while not mandatory, are beneficial).
 * a willingness and ability to respond in a timely manner to questions about their reviews

Given that you have more than once created an article that an editor then turned into a draft, my opinion is that you do not yet have the experience and understanding to be an AfC reviewer. David notMD (talk) 11:28, 19 December 2021 (UTC)

Page protection
How does one gain the privilege of protecting a page or an article? Motlatlaneo (talk) 02:31, 19 December 2021 (UTC)
 * Via a Hell Week that (based on your edit count) you're very unlikely to get through. —<i style="color: #1E90FF;">A little blue Bori</i>  v^_^v  Jéské Couriano 02:34, 19 December 2021 (UTC)
 * procedural note, most likely wanted to link to WP:NOTNOW. WP:TOOSOON is about articles and the notabyility criteria. Victor Schmidt (talk) 06:30, 19 December 2021 (UTC)
 * @Victor Schmidt, well I hope someone will come along and comment to what you said without any wiki references cause my questions need simple answers for me to end up reading multiple time consuming articles
 * Motlatlaneo (talk) 07:46, 19 December 2021 (UTC)
 * only administrators can protect pages. You asked about these things in October. Here are the answers you received then – please click that link and read the responses. --bonadea contributions talk 08:48, 19 December 2021 (UTC)
 * My guess is that they did; they presently have a little over 500 edits (which is 500 more than they had when they last asked in October).
 * Bluntly speaking, people at WP:Requests for adminship are looking for evidence of extensive experience with Wikipedia and its policies, moreso than what a reviewer is expected to know and in a lot more areas of Wikipedia maintenance and governance besides. They also don't like it when it looks like someone seems to be intentionally fishing for userrights, as the administrator toolset is very much prone to abuse in the wrong hands and there's no realistic way short of the Arbitration Committee to strip admin rights from a rogue/malicious administrator. I leave off with a question of my own: Why, exactly, are you so desperate to become an admin? —<i style="color: #1E90FF;">A little blue Bori</i>  v^_^v  Jéské Couriano 10:44, 19 December 2021 (UTC)

Editors can request article protection at Requests for page protection An Admin will decide to implement or not. David notMD (talk) 03:41, 20 December 2021 (UTC)

What constitutes an "edit war"?
How many back and forth edits are required for an edit war? 100.36.227.237 (talk) 02:45, 20 December 2021 (UTC)
 * three, in most cases. You can see the three-revert rule policy. However, in some cases, there are additional restrictions that either only allow one revert, or even prohibit reverts. Reverts of obvious vandalism (meaning that it's vandalism and no good-faith editor will say it's not vandalism) are exempted from this rule. --67.183.136.85 (talk) 03:27, 20 December 2021 (UTC)
 * Makes sense. Would good-faith vandalism count as vandalism? 100.36.227.237 (talk) 03:45, 20 December 2021 (UTC)
 * There is no such thing as "good faith vandalism". Vandalism is bad faith.
 * Normally, 4 reverts is an edit war (because 3RR allows 3) but you can also edit war without violating 3RR. – AssumeGoodWraith  (talk | contribs)  04:29, 20 December 2021 (UTC)

Template:Rail-interchange
how do I create this? I wanted to create rail interchange template for other systems. Footy2000 (talk) 09:50, 18 December 2021 (UTC)


 * @Footy2000, you might want to ask that at WT:TRAINS; hopefully someone there can help you out. Cheers, &#123;{u&#124; Sdkb  }&#125;  talk 19:07, 19 December 2021 (UTC)


 * Thanks. Footy2000 (talk) 09:55, 20 December 2021 (UTC)

Revision request on edited page
Hi, I would like to correct and add or remove any part of a page which I edited if it's needed.i appreciate if anyone can help me. thank you https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:English_Wikipedia&oldid=prev&diff=1060781802 Bahram2010 (talk) 09:57, 20 December 2021 (UTC) https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:English_Wikipedia&oldid=prev&diff=1060781802
 * Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. You edited Talk:English Wikipedia, which exists to discuss improvements to the english Wikipedia article  on the english Wikipedia. Given that Draft:UArchitects exists and has been rejected, I am afraid that this is a lost cause. Victor Schmidt (talk) 10:30, 20 December 2021 (UTC)

BLP of an Indian journalist
Hello everyone, First, I would like to THANK Liz for the introduction to the Teahouse. I have been trying to create a short BLP of a local journalist/editor. For references, I tried using the news pieces from The Statesman, ETV Bharat, IBG News, but it was not accepted. So, can anyone please guide me here? In a similar way, the BLP for Atanu Bhuyan, another local journalist from Assam,India was accepted. Looking forward, Best Regards, Rdfcvn (talk) 09:43, 19 December 2021 (UTC) Thank you Cordless Larry. I look forward to the help from. Best Regards, Rdfcvn (talk) 12:03, 19 December 2021 (UTC) Thank you once again, Cordless Larry, I will try to follow all the norms as in that page. :) Rdfcvn (talk) 10:37, 20 December 2021 (UTC)
 * Welcome to the Teahouse, . Atanu Bhuyan probably isn't a good model for a new article as it predates the current article review system and is currently under threat of deletion. Draft:Rajdeep Bailung Baruah was deleted for being overly promotional, but looking at the deleted content, it doesn't strike me as too bad. Perhaps the deleting administrator could clarify? Cordless Larry (talk) 10:32, 19 December 2021 (UTC)
 * That said,, you also need to ensure that the draft demonstrates that the subject meets Wikipedia's notability requirements, otherwise it won't be accepted regardless of how neutrally it is written. Cordless Larry (talk) 17:23, 19 December 2021 (UTC)

My Content Was Deleted
My Content Was Deleted Hello My Content " Pramod Kumar Agrawal (2020)[9] suggests a natural correlation between phonemes and psychological feelings. He presents a model in detail that explains this correlation. With several examples, he suggests that these psychological feelings have added a purposeful impact while words of different languages were getting created."

above was previously mentioned in the Modern phonosemantics topic of sound symbolism

On the 17th of Aug, it was edited and no longer found on the page. What will be the reason for this??Pramod1952 (talk) 05:55, 20 December 2021 (UTC) Pramod1952 (talk) 05:55, 20 December 2021 (UTC)
 * Did you not pay attention to what you were told on the Help Desk? —<i style="color: #1E90FF;">A little blue Bori</i>  v^_^v  Jéské Couriano 06:01, 20 December 2021 (UTC)
 * At Sound symbolism, in November, an editor made many changes to the article, including removing unreferenced paragraphs and adding references. You could leave a message on the Talk page of that editor to start a discussion or you could add your referenced content back and see what happens. David notMD (talk) 12:43, 20 December 2021 (UTC)

Looking for a Wiki user who understands science
I really didn't know where else to ask this effectively... I am looking for a Wikipedia editor who can spend some time, if they are interested of course, on the BLP of a scientist, specifically only the section related to his scientific career —M. S. Swaminathan— he is the first World Food Prize laureate. Science related to wheat, rice, potato, radiation, botany, plant genetics, agricultural science etc. I have spent some time recently updating other non-science parts of the BLP. crossed fingers DTM (talk) 13:24, 20 December 2021 (UTC)


 * @DiplomatTesterMan You can also put up this request in the Indian Wikiproject or also in the Science Wikiproject. ― <b style="background:linear-gradient(45deg,#f05,#b49);border:2px solid #000;padding:2px;color:#ef4;">Itcouldbepossible</b>Talk 13:52, 20 December 2021 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the idea. I had tried categories for Wikipedia users who are botanists....... I will try with the over-arching science project as well. Thanks! :) DTM (talk) 14:15, 20 December 2021 (UTC)

Replying to a message
Hi. How do I reply to a message? Thanks. Crewpostor (talk) 06:54, 20 December 2021 (UTC)
 * Hi . Generally, the best place to reply to a message is right below it like I am doing here with respect to your question. All you need to do is click on the "edit" tab of the page or section where the message was posted and then add your reply. You can find out a little more about how to use talk pages at Wikipedia:Talk page guidelines and Help:Talk pages. The "Help:Talk pages" page even has a video tutorial that explains the basics. -- Marchjuly (talk) 07:04, 20 December 2021 (UTC)
 * Thank you so much. I've now understood how to reply a message. Crewpostor (talk) 07:41, 20 December 2021 (UTC)
 * @Crewpostor, about discussing on WP talkpages. If you go here : Special:Preferences and enable a thingie called "Discussion tools", you will get a "reply" link at the end of each comment, and using that both indents correctly and signs. There's also a button (little guy with a +) for easy WP:PINGing. There may be other stuff in the preferences you like. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 10:45, 20 December 2021 (UTC)
 * @Gråbergs Gråa Sång honestly I didn't know that button pinged the user until now lol― <b style="background:#0d1125;color:#51aeff;padding:1q;border-radius:5q;">Blaze Wolf</b>Talk<sub title="Discord Username" style="margin-left:-22q;">Blaze Wolf#6545 15:11, 20 December 2021 (UTC)

What is Linear Programmikng
73.228.121.246 (talk) 16:08, 20 December 2021 (UTC)
 * Hello IP! THis would be a better question to ask at WP:RD/C. ― <b style="background:#0d1125;color:#51aeff;padding:1q;border-radius:5q;">Blaze Wolf</b>Talk<sub title="Discord Username" style="margin-left:-22q;">Blaze Wolf#6545 16:15, 20 December 2021 (UTC)
 * Or you could read our article on linear programming. Wikignome Wintergreen talk 16:17, 20 December 2021 (UTC)

Want to change my username again.
Hello. My username have been changed for a time, can I request again?  Fire banana  15:56, 20 December 2021 (UTC)


 * @Firebanana you can request it, but more interesting question is what Wikipedia articles will you constructively edit today or any other day? Worry less about a username and more about your contributions! ~ 🦝 Shushugah (he/him • talk) 16:24, 20 December 2021 (UTC)
 * Shushugah, yeah, I'll try my best to build the encyclopedia. Firebanana (talk) 16:29, 20 December 2021 (UTC)

How to challenge notability, even request deletion of article [matter closed, can be archived]
See Russian stove. I see absolutely nothing uniquely Russian about it. Either this claim is made up by Soviet/Russian propaganda, or the article doesn't manage to offer any proof. Good enough as a regional expression of a European (if not wider), certainly at least East European, type of stove, but more? Judging by the current "references" there, I can declare my grandpa's stove a unique creation and start a Wiki article based on his autobiography. Thank you for helping out in taking down a fishy statue, this time in the East for a change. Arminden (talk) 21:32, 18 December 2021 (UTC)
 * @, hello and welcome to the Teahouse, I believe it would be premature of me or any host to give you an answer to your question without first pointing you to WP:TE. If you can confirm that you have read and internalized that please indicate, and I’d answer your question. Celestina007 (talk) 22:12, 18 December 2021 (UTC)
 * @, hi and thanks. I know very well what you're hinting at, I could have been less sarcastic. Beyond that: I'm dead serious. Nothing in that article is convincing, there is not one reliable source I can see, the editors didn't even know that they should at least translate the titles from Russian (or they couldn't be bothered), most references look like homey Russian websites and general-interest books. I know how cheap, persistent, East European propaganda works, and this totally walks and quacks in loud Prop-speak. Russians have excellent ethnographers and foreign specialists have also studied Russian material culture in depth - there's not a single trace of any of that in the whole article. "Sub-standard" does not even come close. So please, if you can wake them up from their tundra dreams, go ahead and I'll move out of the way, because it seems that I might not be diplomatic enough. Thanks! Arminden (talk) 22:40, 18 December 2021 (UTC)
 * You might like to consider requesting a merge of that article with Masonry heater. Physically they are a type of masonry stove, but the folklore aspect also looks like it is worth preserving.--Gronk Oz (talk) 23:27, 18 December 2021 (UTC)
 * I checked on Google Books and there are over 200 English-language books that talk about Russian stoves, so they seem to be a big deal. I glanced at some of the book previews and learned that since Russia has such dangerously cold winters (Siberia is in Russia) the Russians have always needed good stoves. I will leave it up to others to decide if the article should be deleted, or merged with the one on masonry heaters. Karenthewriter (talk) 00:17, 19 December 2021 (UTC)
 * Uniquely Russian, big deal in Russia: The article itself mentions Belarus and Ukraine. The days of strictly Russian hegemony are over. Also, Transylvania and other parts of Romania also have harsh winters, and it appears to me that the exactly same type of masonry stove is used there as well (Transylvanian Romanians were mainly under Hungarian & Transylvanian Saxon cultural influence, not Russian one, practically no chance they adopted it from the east).
 * Always needed good stoves: The article itself mentions that this type "first appeared in the 15th century". So they managed without for half a millennium after the establishment of the Kievan Rus'.
 * Siberia is in Russia: The Russian Empire only started having any kind of presence in Siberia in the 16th, and took over the territory by the mid-17th century. So the stove had already appeared in Russia long before Russian merchants even set foot in Siberia. But it's cold enough also west of the Urals.


 * As you can see, unless you look beyond the surface, you cannot judge the merit or lack thereof of this stitched-up article. Support the claims with RS, and it's good enough for a merger where it can have its own section. As it stands now, it's a joke.


 * I opened the very first Google hit for Romanian stove and you should take a look too, here. Search for "casă românească tradițională" and tell me how that stove is different from the one in the Russian stove article. You'll find there lots of ancient and early modern masonry stoves from Italy and lots of other places. Or look here. To have an encyclopedia article, the Russian contributors have the duty to show how the Russian one is different, its history (they didn't discover the wheel, nor the masonry stove), and only then to offer folklore and anecdotes. Substance, i.e. a definition and history first, and only then the stretched sauce. We all love our motherland. Arminden (talk) 01:11, 19 December 2021 (UTC)
 * @Arminden, this seems like something that should be hashed out on the talk page, not at the Teahouse. Wikignome Wintergreen talk 01:39, 19 December 2021 (UTC)
 * @Wintergreen, other than one teahouse participant alarmed by my comments here, nobody there noticed or reacted to my talk-page posting. It's a typical case of shake the tree real hard, or they'll never even notice you. The "article" is 13 years old, and nobody has found anything weird about it yet, of which there is plenty. One single RS in 13 years please, for Prometheus' sake! That much about corpses laying around on enWiki. Arminden (talk) 01:51, 19 December 2021 (UTC)


 * Arminden, I'm going to suggest you find a better use of your time. I suggest helping to build an encyclopedia. Challenging this topic's notability or nominating the article for deletion is not going to succeed. The article is adequately cited (more than enough to pass AFD), and there's an extensive article on the subject on RU-wiki. Please do not continue to waste other editors' time here at the Teahouse. Softlavender (talk) 02:11, 19 December 2021 (UTC)
 * @Softlavender, and I suggest you check your language. I came here for advice. If the advice is to drop it, consider it done. I've done more than my fair share in "building an encyclopedia". It's precisely the reason why I found the "Russian stove" junk, as it is now, a disgrace for enWiki. It's your choice what you read and answer to or not. You are a waste of my time now, so go waste someone else's if you don't understand what I'm unhappy about with this pseudo-article, and while doing that, try not to pull down the quality of this project.
 * Thanks to all the others, who gave me their civilised and honest opinions. Matter closed. Arminden (talk) 02:45, 19 December 2021 (UTC)
 * hey, uh- I understand why youre upset but try not to attack other users for it please. they may have been out of line with the wasting of time part, and seeing as they didnt need to respond, they are partially in the wrong. but I really was wikipedia to be a positive space. I hope you understand... I'm not trying to be mean. -gretchen RemusSandersRegretsEverything (talk) 17:28, 20 December 2021 (UTC)

Birthday historic events
What famous occasions happened on November 12th? **** Sir Edward Stout (talk) 10:43, 19 December 2021 (UTC)
 * Please see Wikipedia's article about November 12.--Shantavira|feed me 10:44, 19 December 2021 (UTC)
 * @Sir Edward Stout Welcome to Teahouse! For an archive of Wikipedia's WP:On this day for November 12 see Selected anniversaries/November 12 ~ 🦝 Shushugah (he/him • talk) 17:37, 20 December 2021 (UTC)

What to do if editing a page gets a bit stuck as wikipedians simply don't have the time to help?
Hi there. I am relatively new to Wikipedia - I am trying to make edits to the Soil Association page but keep getting stuck as Wikipedians don't have the time/resource to review proposed edits. I totally understand the reason for this by the way, so it is not intended as a criticism of the editors! My question is though, without the help of Wikipedians generously donating their time, how can I proceed with making edits to a page which currently is not fit for purpose! My draft is in my sandbox DanMor0806/sandbox and all with independent citations.

I have declared my COI on this page as an employee of the Soil Association - with this in mind, I am trying to guide the process of updating the page, whilst ensuring I stick to the rules so that my bias doesn't result in a biased page! Thanks in advance for any advice. DanMor0806 (talk) 12:39, 20 December 2021 (UTC)
 * Nope. Given that PAID applies, and that several edits you made directly to Soil Association were reverted, you are limited to proposing changes on the Talk page of the article. Which you are doing. David notMD (talk) 12:54, 20 December 2021 (UTC)


 * If you mark your requests with the edit request tag (click that link for instructions) it will draw the attention of editors who routinely review such requests(and not just editors that follow the particular article you are interested in). 331dot (talk) 13:07, 20 December 2021 (UTC)
 * 331dot (talk) Thank you for the advice. If I do this in the talk page as individual edits with a edit request tag at the end of each one will that suffice? I don't want to annoy editors by asking for a large amount of individual edits. There is a lot that needs adding to the page. DanMor0806 (talk) 14:09, 20 December 2021 (UTC)
 * Yyou are correct that a large number of individual requests might not be desirable, but a single large request is the same. I might pursue a middle path, maybe make an edit request with a small number of changes, then if that is accepted do another with a few more, and so on, I'd wait for one request to be accepted before doing others so that you know what is being looked for before you write several requests. 331dot (talk) 14:13, 20 December 2021 (UTC)
 * 331dot (talk) Thank you very much for your help. All understood - will try my first one now! Appreciate your time. DanMor0806 (talk) 14:17, 20 December 2021 (UTC)
 * Be aware that jut like so many other volunteer functions here, there is a backlog to getting to edit requests. Be patient. Remember to be specific, as in Replace __________ wtih ___________ while at same time providing properly formatted reference(s) in support of the new information. David notMD (talk) 17:47, 20 December 2021 (UTC)

creating a page
Can You please Create the page Kokovha by Makhadzi i'm new here — Preceding unsigned comment added by New Creator490 (talk • contribs) 14:18, 20 December 2021 (UTC)


 * @New Creator490 Welcome to the Teahouse! Creating a new article from scratch is extremely challenging, and I always advise new editors to spend a few months learning how Wikipedia works, by making improvements to some of our existing six million articles before trying it. I remember from when I started how much I wanted to "make my mark" by adding a new article to Wikipedia; but now I know that generally people who improve existing articles often add far more value to Wikipedia than those who try to create new ones before they're properly equipped to. When you do decide to have a go at a new article, I strongly recommend studying WP:Your first article and WP:TUTORIAL. Happy editing! ~ 🦝 Shushugah (he/him • talk) 15:35, 20 December 2021 (UTC)
 * Kokovha is Makhadzi's first album. Consider instead of a separate article, adding album reviws, information and references to the existing article. David notMD (talk) 18:02, 20 December 2021 (UTC)

Can you edit Wikipedia without having an account?
82.132.245.231 (talk) 14:05, 20 December 2021 (UTC)
 * Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. You absolutely can do so, though there are benefits with having an account, such as your IP being hidden. Many users, however, never create an account and have participated here for years. You are welcome to be among them. 331dot (talk) 14:10, 20 December 2021 (UTC)
 * Certainly. You absolutely can! There are both benefits to using an account and benefits for not using an account, though I personally think that not making an account is better, but it's up to you in the end. Happy editing! --67.183.136.85 (talk) 18:39, 20 December 2021 (UTC)

Adding self-made artwork to articles without images
I've noticed a few incidences of a particular editor adding artwork that they did to biography articles. I think all of them have been reverted by another editor (I haven't exhaustively checked) on the grounds that they're WP:PROMO. In every case, the artist has added their social media handle to the caption of the image, so I agree that the full edit was unambiguously promo and should not have been retained. In the first case I noticed, the biography already had several perfectly good photographs of the subject, so a drawing should not have been added whether it was promo or not; case closed. But in the second, the article did not already have any kind of image, so I think the argument can be made that the image improved the article and should be kept (though without the self-promotional caption). Obviously, Wikipedians make images for articles all the time (graphs, photographs, etc) and that's perfectly fine, so there's no guideline that says you shouldn't create your own images for an article. So my question is: is adding your own artwork to an article necessarily promo? -- asilvering (talk) 19:46, 20 December 2021 (UTC) asilvering (talk) 19:46, 20 December 2021 (UTC)
 * If it has a credit tag then its not usable for Wikipedia unless the credit tag is actually relevant to the reader(rare exception). Creation of images/drawing itself is not inherently promotional. Slywriter (talk) 19:57, 20 December 2021 (UTC)
 * In case it is of help, there was a similar discussion at Talk:Robert Hooke/Archive 1 where there wasn't even a WP:COI question, but merely that the image was an undistinguished one by a non-notable artist and the pictorial equivalent of a blog.   IMO, it (and 's example above) contravenes wp:NOR and wp:SELFPUB. Again IMO, it is qualitatively different from a text contribution because it is given prominence. If it does appear, it seems to me that needs to have its authorship shown so that readers are not deceived into giving it undue weight. This is not the same as 'promotional'.--John Maynard Friedman (talk) 20:00, 20 December 2021 (UTC)
 * Semi-relevant discussion here at the Teahouse some months ago: Editors creating paintings for articles. Wikignome Wintergreen talk 20:21, 20 December 2021 (UTC)
 * @Wikignome Wintergreen Excellent, thank you! -- asilvering (talk) 20:52, 20 December 2021 (UTC)

How to donate by check to wikipedia?
Where to send a donation by check? 2600:1700:7B30:2290:A06B:64BC:A0C3:E019 (talk) 22:41, 20 December 2021 (UTC)

122.59.170.138 (talk) 22:42, 20 December 2021 (UTC)
 * See the info here: RudolfRed (talk) 22:52, 20 December 2021 (UTC)

Quick Review?
Quick Review? Hello, I was hoping to get a quick review of the article I wrote (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Joanna_Langfield) since I added several more references that were requested.

Thank you. GregWikiMake (talk) 20:49, 20 December 2021 (UTC)


 * @GregWikiMake Please be patient. Tea House is not the place to jump stack and get preferential treatment. Please read WP:There is no deadline and continue editing in the meanwhile on this Draft or any other topics you're interested in. Happy editing! ~ 🦝 Shushugah (he/him • talk) 22:56, 20 December 2021 (UTC)


 * But meanwhile, GregWikiMake: I read that she's a "personality". What does this actually mean, other than "person"? Also, I haven't heard of all those "stars"; but one I have heard of is Madonna, who was in a couple of Hollywood turkeys, I believe. A pop music star, but one of "Hollywood's most accomplished stars", really? Even for those who are "most accomplished", why are you telling the reader this? Skip the promotional-sounding "and many many more", and let's have a reliable (and of course disinterested) reference for her interviewing each one of those that you list. And I have to say that the entire draft has a feeling of desperation about it. If a person(ality) is notable, is it necessary to say that she was mentioned, quoted or interviewed here or there? In its entirety, the draft does rather give the impression that, however unjustly, nobody has yet regarded her as worth more than a passing comment. -- Hoary (talk) 23:07, 20 December 2021 (UTC)

"Non-diffusing" categories?!
Since when do we categorize a British woman novelist both as a British novelist and as a British woman novelist, and how does that help this project? SergeWoodzing (talk) 23:17, 20 December 2021 (UTC)


 * 1) Since 2015, and 2) see WP:DUPCAT and WP:EGRS. DuncanHill (talk) 23:21, 20 December 2021 (UTC)

Reference editing comment unclear
I wrote the draft "Sam Lewis (Pilot)" - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Sam_Lewis_(pilot) I noticed the following editing comment for reference 1:

Cite error: The named reference ":0" was defined multiple times with different content (see the help page).

I don't understand Why using the same reference multiple times is a problem. Is there a limit on how many times a reference can be used in an article? This reference has a lot of information that was relevant to this article. Shewriteshistory (talk) 02:15, 21 December 2021 (UTC)
 * @Shewriteshistory: Welcome to the Teahouse. The reason why you're getting that error is because you constantly redefined the named reference, even if the citation used is the same. It only needs to be defined once; past that first time, you can call that reference again with  . Note the forward slash at the end of the tag, which closes it within itself. — Tenryuu 🐲  ( 💬 • 📝 ) 02:32, 21 December 2021 (UTC)
 * Exactly what I was about to come here and say. @Shewriteshistory, I went through and did the above substitution in your draft - check it out to see exactly what I changed. Wikignome Wintergreen talk 02:35, 21 December 2021 (UTC)
 * Just as a further note, the "See also" section is for linking to related articles on Wikipedia, not a place to put external links - those belong in their own section, and should be formatted according to Manual of Style/Layout. Wikignome Wintergreen talk 02:41, 21 December 2021 (UTC)

Thank you @Tenryuu for your answer and thank you @Wikignome_Wintergreen for fixing the problem for me. I'm still learning my way around here. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Shewriteshistory (talk • contribs) 02:50, 21 December 2021 (UTC)

talk got it. Thank you so much!

How to remove extra texts above article, as my article is rejected?
Arjun Gowda (Actor) (talk) 02:59, 21 December 2021 (UTC)
 * You cannot remove declines/rejects, and you need to stop submitting blank pages for review; they will be summarily declined as having no content. —<i style="color: #1E90FF;">A little blue Bori</i>  v^_^v  Jéské Couriano 03:17, 21 December 2021 (UTC)
 * , are you Arjun Gowda? Slywriter (talk) 03:23, 21 December 2021 (UTC)

Idea for new article - looking for feedback first
The Australian rock band The Angels has among its members two brothers - John and Rick (Richard). John has his own article, but for some reason Rick does not. From the references on John's article, they seem to be collaborators on many of the songs, and both John and Rick have been inducted into the ARIA hall of fame.

Collaborators:
 * https://web.archive.org/web/20110523060530/http://www.ascap.com/ace/search.cfm?requesttimeout=300&mode=results&searchstr=310188204&search_in=i&search_type=exact&search_det=t,s,w,p,b,v&results_pp=30&start=1
 * https://web.archive.org/web/20110524045452/http://www.ascap.com/ace/search.cfm?requesttimeout=300&mode=results&searchstr=2434930&search_in=c&search_type=exact&search_det=t,s,w,p,b,v&results_pp=30&start=1

Hall of fame:
 * https://www.asai.org.au/hall-of-fame/

There are a few Rick-specific links:
 * https://creativeplusbusiness.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/04/RickBrewster_2007.pdf (promotional website, but this interview seems reliable)
 * https://www.therockpit.net/2020/interview-rick-brewster-the-angels-2020/
 * https://glamadelaide.com.au/glam-adelaide-face-to-face-with-another-angel-rick-brewster/
 * https://australianmusician.com.au/rick-brewster-angels-guitar/
 * https://therockerrag.com/the-angels-on-their-40th-anniversary-of-no-exit-rick-brewster-talks/admin/

Looking for feedback before I consider creating an article for Richard. peterl (talk) 08:09, 20 December 2021 (UTC)

WP editors don't call them page, they call it article.
 * Updated. peterl (talk) 09:40, 20 December 2021 (UTC)
 * Interviews are not considered independent sources. Has Rick achieved independent notability outside of the band?  See WP:MUSICBIO.  GoingBatty (talk) 03:29, 21 December 2021 (UTC)

Suggestion on Main Page
Suggestion on Main Page Please include a way for someone to volunteer be more apparent. Standards and quality should be maintained, however, there can be valuable resources that are not able to understand the necessary tasks to contribute.

I also humbly request that Jimmy Wales - Wikipedia includes an easy way to find some of his quoted words. They speak to me in times of strife, and I find resilience in them. 2603:6011:AA21:5619:6D16:3EB1:368B:665F (talk) 05:01, 21 December 2021 (UTC)
 * Welcome to the Teahouse! You can make specific suggestions for improving the Main Page at Talk:Main Page.  At Jimmy Wales is a link to "Quotations from Wikiquote".  Hope this helps, and happy editing!  GoingBatty (talk) 05:26, 21 December 2021 (UTC)

Is this Website Reliable?
Hi Everyone,

Is this website reliable https://www.bollywoodlife.com/? According to ZimZalaBim it is reliable. DFXYME (talk) 18:55, 20 December 2021
 * To be clear, I made no clear assessment as to the reliability, just that it is published by Zee Entertainment Enterprises. Honestly, I don't really have an opinion, but the pattern of edits suggests things are being removed non-discriminately. -- Zim <b style="color:darkgreen">Zala</b> Bim <sup style="color:black">talk 19:00, 20 December 2021 (UTC)
 * Reliable_sources/Noticeboard/Archive_355 - Previous discussion raises concerns about using Bollywoodlife as a source. Slywriter (talk) 19:03, 20 December 2021 (UTC)
 * Thank You Slywriter, according to this discussion, i think Bollywoodlife is not a reliable resource. It is a gossip website. DFXYME (talk)
 * I will point out that the citation you so quickly removed was an interview with the article's subject, so unless you think that interview is faked it likely maintains some reliability. -- Zim <b style="color:darkgreen">Zala</b> Bim <sup style="color:black">talk 19:34, 20 December 2021 (UTC)
 * Agreed if the interview contains material that's relevant and due then WP:ABOUTSELF applies, regadless of the publication(unless belief the publication made up the interview). For way more expert opinion than my ramblings, visit the reliable sources noticeboard (WP:RSN)19:47, 20 December 2021 (UTC)
 * So what it is an interview. How can we sure that the answers and questions in the interview are correct, specially if website is not reliable? DFXYME (talk) 20:15, 20 December 2021 (UTC)
 * Reliability is shades of grey, not absolute. As there is only one discussion and the concern was gossip, its a leap to also say they falsify interviews. Though again WP:RSN better place if looking for a discussion on the overall reliability. Slywriter (talk) 20:28, 20 December 2021 (UTC)
 * Not reliable for articles related to Indian cinema, per this list. The information this interview was supposed to support already has a reference. A bigger concern is the generally promotional tone of the article. --bonadea contributions talk 07:39, 21 December 2021 (UTC)

HELP!!!!!
Hi guys, I've been working on a new page for the last week. I now can't find it. I had not published it and was still editing. Is there a way to find it. I'm very stressed that I've lost it. Can anyone help me please? Jack Dikian (talk) 05:41, 21 December 2021 (UTC)
 * , nothing you have written (or anyway nothing you've written while logged in as "Jack Dikian") has been deleted since September 2019. If you didn't "publish" it, then you didn't save it. If you don't save what you write, you lose it. -- Hoary (talk) 05:50, 21 December 2021 (UTC)

I didn't see a save key. I upload an image which I wanted to insert on the page ok. But there was no option to return to my page and I used the back key. Jack Dikian (talk) 05:55, 21 December 2021 (UTC)

Guys, I was inserting a pic into a new page. I used the back key to get back to my page (worked on for a weeks) and couldn't. I now can't find the page. I didn't want to publish it because I was still working on it. I was just previewing as I went. Is it possible to find this file???

Jack Jack Dikian (talk) 06:06, 21 December 2021 (UTC)


 * @Jack Dikian Are you talking about this file? ― <b style="background:linear-gradient(45deg,#f05,#b49);border:2px solid #000;padding:2px;color:#ef4;">Itcouldbepossible</b>Talk 06:25, 21 December 2021 (UTC)

Hi, no this a pic file which I uploaded so that I can insert it to the page I was working on. It was titled "creating systograms". I actually didn't use the title "creating". It somehow inserted that as I was editing the page I wanted to publish later. Jack Dikian (talk) 06:28, 21 December 2021 (UTC)

I could only see "publish" "show preview" and "show changes". I couldn't see a save option. Jack Dikian (talk) 06:31, 21 December 2021 (UTC)
 * @Jack Dikian: To save changes you must click on ; pages aren't private per se on Wikipedia. Please don't create new sections if you're replying, and remember to sign by typing  at the end of your comment. — Tenryuu 🐲  ( 💬 • 📝 ) 07:04, 21 December 2021 (UTC)
 * @Jack Dikian See, you cannot "save" anything here. Wikipedia is not a word processor. If you want to create a new page, and you want to continue making it for a couple of days, then it ok. You can create a draft of the page you want to create, and then click publish changes, to make the draft. You can edit the draft any number of times, and also for an unlimited number of days. Then when you finish, you can submit the draft for review. Your contributions does not show any page that you tried creating, which is normal. You did not publish the page. And before publishing, nothing shows up in the Wikimedia Servers. Another thing which can happen is that, you were not logged in while you were creating the page. Your logged in contributions and your logged out contributions are separate. So from the next time you want to create a page while being logged in, you can create a draft of the page, so that you can click "Publish changes" without finishing your work, and so that you can also edit it or improve it later if you like. It is a good habit to move completed pages to mainspace. To create a draft, you can do so by writing "Draft:" and then write the name of the page after the semi - colon. For example, you can create a draft like Draft:Jack Dikian, but please don't do so, as I highly discourage you to create a page about you, not even a draft. It was just an example. Don't bother yourself to ping me or reply to this thread if you face any problem. I am always there to help. Have a great day ahead. Happy editing. ― <b style="background:linear-gradient(45deg,#f05,#b49);border:2px solid #000;padding:2px;color:#ef4;">Itcouldbepossible</b>Talk 08:03, 21 December 2021 (UTC)

Yash Dhull India under 19 Cricket captain
As I mentioned up in heading, is the subject is notable for WP article, today Board of Control for Cricket In India announced him captain for West Indies world cup. If Draft: Yash Dhull is eligible, how I can create a article? Source article - https://www.hindustantimes.com/cricket/who-is-yash-dhull-captain-of-the-india-under-19-world-cup-team-101639976098895.html, I manufactured Draft : Yash Dhull article in my WP: Holland Tok/sandbox how to publish it guide, I tried to AFC submit but it didn't work. Holland Tok (talk) 07:10, 20 December 2021 (UTC) Few moments before I found that someone already tried to manufacture a draft about Yash Dhull, but he didn't submitted it, my article also have same title, but my article is well written and is read to be live, You can check my article on my sandbox.Holland Tok (talk) 08:14, 20 December 2021 (UTC)
 * Being a U## squad captain still does not confer notability, as U## games are not considered professional or anywhere near it as far as most sports-specific notability guidelines go, WP:NCRICKET included. —<i style="color: #1E90FF;">A little blue Bori</i>  v^_^v  Jéské Couriano 08:16, 20 December 2021 (UTC)

you can check the article on User:Holland Tok/sandbox, the subject have many articles on Indian news webs and to resolve this conflict, a article - Draft: Yash Dhull already is in draft space, which is not good.Holland Tok (talk) 08:34, 20 December 2021 (UTC)

you said this subject is may not notable, then why already a article about this subjects teammate is live, take a look Rajvardhan Hangargekar, fellow U## players from other nations, who have articles - Rakibul Hasan of Bangladesh, Gulshan Jha of a small nation Nepal. I think rule is equal for every article.Holland Tok (talk) 08:45, 20 December 2021 (UTC) Per WP:GNG Yash Dhull have significant coverage.Holland Tok (talk) 08:50, 20 December 2021 (UTC)
 * In order:
 * Your sources are to a one unusable, with most of them being of unknown provenance (role bylines imply advertorials at worst and stuff the outlet's actual journos didn't write at best) and Cricinfo being nothing but statlines, which cannot help for notability no matter how extensive the career short of proving they played in a fully-professional league.
 * The grenade you just threw is irrelevant because Hangargekar has played in a fully-professional match, not just a U## game. Per WP:NCRICKET (and, again, most other sports-specific notability guidelines) playing in a fully-pro match, no matter how long, is a strong argument for notability.
 * As your sources are all worthless for determining notability, WP:GNG has not been met.
 * —<i style="color: #1E90FF;">A little blue Bori</i> v^_^v  Jéské Couriano 22:04, 20 December 2021 (UTC)

Ok mate. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Holland Tok (talk • contribs) 13:22, 21 December 2021 (UTC)

COI edit request
Like there is a editProtect helper, is there a coi edit request helper? ― <b style="background:linear-gradient(45deg,#f05,#b49);border:2px solid #000;padding:2px;color:#ef4;">Itcouldbepossible</b>Talk 09:49, 21 December 2021 (UTC)


 * Yeah, if I remembered correctly. CactiStaccingCrane (talk) 10:19, 21 December 2021 (UTC)
 * @CactiStaccingCrane@Itcouldbepossible Welcome to Teahouse! request edit is the template for WP:COI cases. Thank you for asking, happy editing! ~ 🦝 Shushugah (he/him • talk) 13:14, 21 December 2021 (UTC)
 * @CactiStaccingCrane@Shushugah I am not talking about the template. I was talking about the userscript. For example, this is the editprotectedhelper. It helps to answer semi - protected edit requests. I was seeking a same tool like that, which would help to answer COI requests. ― <b style="background:linear-gradient(45deg,#f05,#b49);border:2px solid #000;padding:2px;color:#ef4;">Itcouldbepossible</b>Talk 15:22, 21 December 2021 (UTC)
 * @Itcouldbepossible WP:VPT would be a better place to ask. If you do find it, would be good to update the documentation at User:Jackmcbarn/editProtectedHelper ~ 🦝 Shushugah (he/him • talk) 15:27, 21 December 2021 (UTC)

Confusion of possible image uploads
Hi Teahouse, I've just created the Barbie & Chelsea: The Lost Birthday and Barbie: Big City, Big Dreams articles each with their respective images. For the former, the main infobox has its image, but the soundtrack image looks the same or similar to that - except for this text; "AND MORE!", written underneath the topic's title for the soundtrack image. And for the latter, the topic's image and its soundtrack image are the same. Could/Can I use/not use them independently on their infoboxes? Polygork (talk) 10:53, 21 December 2021 (UTC)
 * The first has no images. Several of th refs are to sites selling the soundtrack. Can you replace with one ref that confirms the soundtrack exists, that is not a for-sale site. There is no evidence in your Contributions that the second article exists, either as an article or a draft. David notMD (talk) 15:42, 21 December 2021 (UTC)

Creating a draft for a species of tree
Hi. I want to create a draft for a species of tree, Dracophyllum adamsii. But I don't know which sources are reliable for this. Although I've not studied about this subject, I'm very interested in it. Thanks. Firebanana (talk) 10:19, 21 December 2021 (UTC)


 * @Firebanana To create a page or draft, you must have knowledge on it, or gain knowledge by doing research. Or else you can submit a request for the page to be created. ― <b style="background:linear-gradient(45deg,#f05,#b49);border:2px solid #000;padding:2px;color:#ef4;">Itcouldbepossible</b>Talk 11:44, 21 December 2021 (UTC)
 * @Firebanana What I usually do for species articles is to look at existing articles of closely related species - which are usually listed in the genus article. So start at the Dracophyllum page. I tend to also copy the format and layout of related articles, infoboxes and other templates can be tricky. Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 12:28, 21 December 2021 (UTC)
 * At last. A question related to my professional area! The answers above are both correct. But you don't need to be an expert - just to have the skill to find and extract some of what those sources say. Any species with a legitimate scientific name is regarded as notable here - even if all you can do is write one sentence about it! It won't be deleted per WP:SPECIESOUTCOMES. Searching online, use really professional sources like IPNI, Kew Gardens website to confirm correct name and author (i.e. the person who first legitimately described it as a new species). Thus this is a good one. Whilst this one shows you where the 'type specimen' of the species is located and who it was collected by etc. This source gives you an overview of the entire Dracophyllum genus, and may contain useful information about that particular species. Always put what you write into your own words, and never paste copyrighted content directly. If you can add a sentence to a page to say what it is, who it was discovered by or described by, where it is found in the world and the habitat it occurs in, that's a good start. Avoid using sources like gardening websites built by small organisations or individuals, but always try to stick to big, professional institutions or major gardening societies' websites. As suggested above, use an existing simple page from a closely related group member and modify it accordingly - especially helpful when it comes to the species infobox. Check on Commons to see if anyone has uploaded an image of the species, but do make sure you've not jumped to the wrong conclusion and inserted an incorrectly-identified image. Give me a WP:PING if you'd like me to check anything for you. NM Demo (talk) 14:55, 21 December 2021 (UTC)
 * Per what NM Demo so clearly explained, you can creat a draft and then copy content from A Wikipedia article about a related Dracophyllum species into your draft. Copying within Wikipedia is allowed (does not infringe copyright) as long as in your Edit summary (and perhaps also on the Talk page of your draft) you clearly state where the content was copied from. Then, rewrite content to be specific to adamsii and replace refs with refs specific to adamsii. There may be content and refs about Dracophyllum in general that can be retained. On the chance that you live in an area where adamsii is located, you can take a photo, load that into Commons, and then use in your draft. David notMD (talk) 15:30, 21 December 2021 (UTC)
 * David notMD, Dodger67, Itcouldbepossible, NM Demo, thank you for helping me! Your advise helped me a lot! Firebanana (talk) 15:47, 21 December 2021 (UTC)

Hatnote templates used on high profile articles as to publicise minor topics: is there a relevant policy?
I wonder where I should raise this question, whether I would be wasting my time, and has it come up before?

I while back, at Reaganomics, I deleted as product placement because the link is so tenuous. It is the name of one song on a barely-notable album by a not-very-notable band. I really can't imagine that someone would ever expect an article on Reagan's economic policies to provide a link to the album article, let alone one where the individual song is merely listed with no content. With another editor reinstated it, with the edit-note ''Please find something that says the relevance of a song determines whether or not it must be disambiguated to. It is not product placement, it is a song that does not have an article, so there must be a redirect to the album instead.''.

I am not asking anyone to intervene in this specific case: I am assuming that the editor who reverted my deletion did so in good faith. No, my concern is the more general one, that hatnotes like for, about, not to be confused with etc may be applied to high profile articles as to publicise minor topics. If it had been placed in the body, I could cite WP:UNDUE but I can't think of anything that covers this case. John Maynard Friedman (talk) 19:47, 20 December 2021 (UTC)


 * WP:NOTHATNOTE? Trivial does not get hatnote. Obscure probably does is my reading. Slywriter (talk) 20:03, 20 December 2021 (UTC)
 * Thanks. This case is pretty borderline between trivial and obscure but let's give it the benefit of the doubt. Reaganomics probably doesn't get much traffic nowadays. --John Maynard Friedman (talk) 20:11, 20 December 2021 (UTC)
 * @John Maynard Friedman apparently web traffic doesn't trickle down. ~ 🦝 Shushugah (he/him • talk) 13:21, 21 December 2021 (UTC)
 * @:-D [the @ signifies a Trump comb-over]. --John Maynard Friedman (talk) 16:40, 21 December 2021 (UTC)

Draft Review Time
Hello! My draft has been waiting review for over two months, is there anything else I can do to speed up the process? I have multiple relevant tags. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Kristin_McQuaid 162.83.234.61 (talk) 15:14, 21 December 2021 (UTC)
 * Hello! Your draft has not been reviewed because it technically hasn’t been submitted. You can add  at the top of your draft to do so. —<b style="background:#DC143C;color:#FFF;padding:1px;">GMX🎄</b><b style="color:#DC143C;padding:1px>(on the go!)</b> 15:20, 21 December 2021 (UTC)
 * Are you sure? It looks to me as if it was submitted in  in October.  --David Biddulph (talk) 15:28, 21 December 2021 (UTC)
 * Yes, you are correct. I didn’t check to see if the template had been placed at the bottom of the page. I have stricken my comment. —<b style="background:#DC143C;color:#FFF;padding:1px;">GMX🎄</b><b style="color:#DC143C;padding:1px>(on the go!)</b> 16:08, 21 December 2021 (UTC)

Thanks, I too thought it was submitted and on my end it says review waiting — Preceding unsigned comment added by Taylorfox1992 (talk • contribs) 15:31, 21 December 2021 (UTC)
 * For Draft:Kristin McQuaid, per Categories, there is a submitted tag on the top for 21 December and another at the bottom for 29 Oct. David notMD (talk) 15:39, 21 December 2021 (UTC)

@David notMD thanks I removed the added one on the top, I placed it there by mistake after the previous comment — Preceding unsigned comment added by Taylorfox1992 (talk • contribs) 15:49, 21 December 2021 (UTC)
 * May be a factor: See the edits for 29 October. Article submitted while in User space, then moved to Draft space, and a bot deleted an apparently related template. 173.49.228.131 (talk) 16:47, 21 December 2021 (UTC)

Thanks, I can no longer see which template was even removed, so not sure where to go from here. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Taylorfox1992 (talk • contribs) 17:06, 21 December 2021 (UTC)
 * Resolved: Now has one submitted tag, dated 29 Oct, at top. David notMD (talk) 17:12, 21 December 2021 (UTC)

Teaching about our disorder
We have posted a question like this, but this one is different. We wish to write an article on system roles in DID or OSDD systems. We are unsure what sources would be good sources, as well as we don't 100% know how to "write encyclopedically." can someone more experienced in these fields help us or do a collaborative essay with us? We have a lot of information from an article we cannot find anymore, and we forgot the link. -Logan RemusSandersRegretsEverything (talk) 17:37, 20 December 2021 (UTC)
 * Wikipedia is not a place to be "Teaching about our disorder" (be it Dissociative identity disorder or Other specified dissociative disorder, nor does Wikipedia have essays. As for your draft Draft:DID/OSDD System Roles it was declined for reasons given by the reviewer. For an example of proper referencinf encyclopedic style, see the DID article, as it is carted B-class. And rather than a separate article, consider whether the concept of System Roles can be incorporated into the DID or OSDD articles. David notMD (talk) 18:10, 20 December 2021 (UTC)
 * We know our article was declined. And trusted editors have said that "Teaching About Our Disorder" would be find, especially because it affects many communication habits. This was unnecessarily hostile, and I would like to remind you of the rule Please do not bite the newcomers
 * Thank you, and I'm sorry for the serious tone of this reply. -Gretchen RemusSandersRegretsEverything (talk) 18:24, 20 December 2021 (UTC)
 * @David notMD pinging so you see -Gretch RemusSandersRegretsEverything (talk) 18:31, 20 December 2021 (UTC)
 * Hi @RemusSandersRegretsEverything and welcome back to the Teahouse. In addition to the advice given above, I have a long list of links and reading for you. First, a good place to look for potential collaborators would be WP:WikiProject Psychology (you could make a post on the talk page). Second, you should read and (try to, it's tough stuff) digest WP:MEDRS, which outlines the very stringent sourcing requirements for biomedical topics. Third, you can see Writing better articles for more info about writing encyclopedically, but it would probably be better to just go out and read some of our articles on things that interest you, and pay close attention to how they're written and structured - especially good or featured articles. Wikignome Wintergreen talk 18:18, 20 December 2021 (UTC)
 * Okay, thank you! -Gretchen RemusSandersRegretsEverything (talk) 18:20, 20 December 2021 (UTC)
 * @Wikignome Wintergreen
 * pinging so you see RemusSandersRegretsEverything (talk) 18:28, 20 December 2021 (UTC)

I am corrected in that within Wikipedia there is a place for essays. David notMD (talk) 18:42, 20 December 2021 (UTC)
 * I think Remus wants to teach about their disorder so that the rest of us can properly interact with them, and that they don't want to write an article in an essay-style, but an actual essay alongside the many that we already have (WP:BLUE as an example). I will admit to being a little confused upon seeing their posts and word use at first. 331dot (talk) 18:23, 20 December 2021 (UTC)
 * Hello! I'm Gretchen! Please avoid using Remus as a group name. We aren't able to use our system name in our username. Remus is the name of two of our alters, please use Skeleton instead! -Gretchen RemusSandersRegretsEverything (talk) 18:30, 20 December 2021 (UTC)
 * @331dot pinging so you see! -Gretch RemusSandersRegretsEverything (talk) 18:30, 20 December 2021 (UTC)
 * I'm sorry, I was simply trying to abbreviate your username. 331dot (talk) 21:05, 20 December 2021 (UTC)
 * I know! -Gretch RemusSandersRegretsEverything (talk) 17:13, 21 December 2021 (UTC)


 * Hello @@RemusSandersRegretsEverything @David notMD, a WP:User essay is very much welcome. The usage of "Article" typically refers the 6 million Wikipedia Articles in the Article namespace which caused some confusion above. On other hand, User essays are typically in User namespace or other project spaces. To get an idea of sample User essays, see any of the links in Category:User essays ~ 🦝 Shushugah (he/him • talk) 23:04, 20 December 2021 (UTC)

My article
I have created a new page on Wikipedia about Infinix Hot 10 smartphone. It is NOT A DRAFT. I made new article. But why is it not showing in search engine like Google? How much time It will take to be visible on search engines? made the article 2 hours ago. Blue Mango Juice (talk) 16:04, 21 December 2021 (UTC)
 * Patience is a virtue! Firstly 2 hours is a very short time for any search engine to crawl every new page that exists. But, most importantly, we don't allow any article to be indexed by Google until it has passed New Page Review. Only then - or after 3 months if not reviewed- will Google be allowed to index it. Sorry. Meanwhile, you might like to find some more sources that talk about this phone so that it can be seen to clearly meet our Notability criteria. One source simply isn't enough. It just shows that the thing exists, and sounds more like advertising at the moment, and is unlikely to remain in mainspace once a NPP reviewer sees it unless you can improve it. There are so many makes and models of so many machines, devices, washing machines, microwaves and laptops out there that we're not going to want every variant to have their own one-line article about it unless it is notable. NM Demo (talk) 16:14, 21 December 2021 (UTC)
 * @Blue Mango Juice, you are not allowed to remove valid maintenance templates without addressing the issue(s) being highlighted. Your article does not currently demonstrate the notability of this product, which is why the template has been placed on it. Wikignome Wintergreen talk 16:27, 21 December 2021 (UTC)


 * Suppose I am creating a new page on Wikipedia about a smartphone. So in this case, which sources should I use to mention in page? Can I mention a source of any website giving specifications of that smartphone? Blue Mango Juice (talk) 16:25, 21 December 2021 (UTC)
 * @Blue Mango Juice The first thing you want is sources that meets the demands at WP:GNG, otherwise the article won't stay in article-space. Existing is not enough. If you have that, you can consider using WP:ABOUTSELF sources for some specifications, but try to avoid it if possible. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 16:32, 21 December 2021 (UTC)
 * Yes, you may use such a website to source specification details. But that alone only shows the product exists - not that it is notable enough to merit an article about it here. We are not a catalogue of products, so you would then need to find two or three independent, non-commercial websites which talk about the item or product in some detail and in some depth upon which to source the content you add. Otherwise all we have is a one-liner saying "this thing is a phone" - to which the rest of us go: "so what?" Your mission (should you choose to accept it) is to go forth and unearth such sources. If you can't, I fear that page may self-destruct. Regards, NM Demo (talk) 16:38, 21 December 2021 (UTC)
 * Wikipedia denies any knowledge of an editor called NM Demo. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 16:49, 21 December 2021 (UTC)
 * Wikipedia can neither confirm, nor deny, their existence, Senator. But I fear our MI references may only serve to cause confusion, Grabs! NM Demo (talk) 17:06, 21 December 2021 (UTC)
 * There are shenanigans going on at the Teahouse! Shenanigans, I tell you! Wikignome Wintergreen talk 17:12, 21 December 2021 (UTC)

Hey! Blue Mango Juice has been here less than a month! A corollary of "Don't bite the newbies" is "Don't confuse the newbies." David notMD (talk) 17:21, 21 December 2021 (UTC)

Denied publishing due to "self promotion"?
How do i fix "self-promotion"? All the information in what i've written is factual and accurate. I'm not asking for business and only listing past, present things attributed to me. I've looked at other musicians wikipedia pages and don't see any significant differences. Are there words I shouldn't use? Westerhead (talk) 17:32, 21 December 2021 (UTC)
 * Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. Wikipedia is not a place for people to tell the world about themselves. That's considered promotional here, you don't have to be soliciting or selling something. While not forbidden, autobiographical articles are strongly discouraged per the autobiography policy.  In order for you to succeed in writing about yourself, you need to set aside everything you know about yourself and all materials that you put out(such as interviews, press releases, announcements) and only write based on what independent reliable sources with significant coverage have chosen to say about you, showing how you meet the special Wikipedia definition of a notable musician or more broadly a notable person.  The sources that you offered are not appropriate; your official website is a primary source, a list of your credits and where your music is available does not establish notability.  Please see Your First Article.
 * Also be advised that an article about you is not necessarily desirable.
 * Please see other stuff exists. Other similar articles existing does not automatically mean yours can too. It could be that these other articles you have seen are also inappropriate.  As this is a volunteer project where people do what they can when they can, it is possible to get inappropriate content by us.  We can only address what we know about. If you want to use other articles as a model, you should use those classified as good articles. 331dot (talk) 17:56, 21 December 2021 (UTC)
 * @Westerhead To add a bit more to that for clarity: there aren't specific words that you can or can't use, but anything that sounds like it could go in a press release, or even in a positive review on a music news website, is going to set off everyone's "promotional language" alarm bells, especially when you're writing about yourself. People will go over what you write with an especially fine comb when they think you're writing about yourself or someone you know, so comparing the language you're using to other Wikipedia articles might not help all that much, since those haven't necessarily had the same level of scrutiny.
 * Unfortunately I don't think you're going to be able to get a Wikipedia page on yourself published to mainspace, no matter how you write it, so unless someone else jumps in here to offer you some better advice, I suggest you give up on banging your head into the Articles for Creation wall. I found this quote on a podcast you were on: Wes is one of the most successful voices in Nashville that you’ve never known before. You’ve heard him on the radio if you’ve heard any Country song since 1994. I think this is pretty cool, and I think if someone independent of you had written something about you (so no interviews, etc) a claim like that might actually count as "notable" by Wikipedia standards, if kind of unusually so. (Normally the rules are things like "has won a major music award", but "has been backing singer on like every song ever to win a major music award" might sway some people.) But you don't have that independent coverage as far as I can see, and that quote does straight-up say "you've never known" about you. (Wikipedia in general tries to keep to articles about people who are widely known.) If you do get an article on yourself through Articles for Creation, you might end up having that article taken to Articles for Deletion, where people will argue over whether you're "notable" enough to be a subject for a Wikipedia article. I don't think that's something I'd want to go through, personally, on an article about myself... -- asilvering (talk) 18:15, 21 December 2021 (UTC)

Fix reference duplicate at Draft:1976 LAB Boeing 707 Crash
Help! Tell me the procedure or do it yourself. The reflist says: 3: oldjets spotted 4: oldjets spotted I want it to say: 3: ab oldjets spotted I have used the same ref two times but instead of showing as number 3 with 2 uses, it shows up as 2 references of the same name. Please fix this because I want to submit the draft for review. Also check for any other errors I should correct tell me which and how to fix them.

}} KingAviationKid (talk) 18:38, 21 December 2021 (UTC)


 * @KingAviationKid - hi and welcome to the Teahouse. What you're looking for is WP:REFNAME. Check out my edit to your draft to see exactly what I changed. I also fixed another, earlier ref with a duplicated title. I didn't spot any other major problems; the line breaks in the See also section aren't necessary, but won't harm anything as far as I know.  Wikignome Wintergreen talk 19:02, 21 December 2021 (UTC)

Delete my user Sandbox
Hi, a while ago I created a sandbox for a page I wanted to make, but now I can't figure our how to delete the page. Is there a certain menu option or something that I missed? Urban Versis 32 (talk) 18:37, 21 December 2021 (UTC)
 * Only admins can delete pages. You can place  at the top of the page you want deleted and an admin will take care of it.  RudolfRed (talk) 18:40, 21 December 2021 (UTC)
 * Thank you! Urban Versis 32 (talk) 18:41, 21 December 2021 (UTC)
 * Welcome to the Teahouse, If you want to get rid of the article you made in your sandbox just simply delete all the text in your sand box. You dont have to ask an admin to do that. ― <b style="background:#000;color:#f07b3a;padding:1q;border-radius:5q;">Kaleeb18</b>Talk<sub style="position:relative;right:20q;margin-right:-15px;">Caleb 20:20, 21 December 2021 (UTC)

Hey Urban Versis 32 I am a newcomer but I suggest that you edit the sandbox and simply delete the text for the pre-draft article there.KingAviationKid (talk) 18:40, 21 December 2021 (UTC)

publishing the page
Draft:Choo Mandhirakaali

Please explain me what the issue is and guide me the solution. Thanks 2405:201:E001:403C:31FB:822C:9175:DDC0 (talk) 08:19, 21 December 2021 (UTC)
 * The issues are described on the draft itself, however, please return to your account to request unblock. 331dot (talk) 08:21, 21 December 2021 (UTC)
 * Note: The draft has been deleted under speedy deletion criterion G5. — Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 20:57, 21 December 2021 (UTC)

Sandbox
How do I get/make a second sandbox? ― <b style="background:#000;color:#f07b3a;padding:1q;border-radius:5q;">Kaleeb18</b>Talk<sub style="position:relative;right:20q;margin-right:-15px;">Caleb 20:16, 21 December 2021 (UTC)
 * Simply create it via this redlink: User:Kaleeb18/sandbox2 Polyamorph (talk) 20:38, 21 December 2021 (UTC)
 * Someone went ahead and created it for you so you won't be able to experience creating it for yourself. But you can create other user subpages in the same way. Just navigate to you user page and add a "/" followed by the title of the subpage you wish to create in the address bar. Polyamorph (talk) 20:46, 21 December 2021 (UTC)
 * Thank you. ― <b style="background:#000;color:#f07b3a;padding:1q;border-radius:5q;">Kaleeb18</b>Talk<sub style="position:relative;right:20q;margin-right:-15px;">Caleb 21:47, 21 December 2021 (UTC)

Partner in same house editing?
Hi there. I was curious about if my partner wanted to start editing that lives in the same house. If they wanted to create an account and edit (obviously barring anything remotely vandal-like), would that be a problem since we both would have the same IP address presumably? Is this allowed? Or is only ONE editor per household/IP allowed on the encyclopedia? Thanks! ♥ Th78blue (They/Them/Their • talk) ♥ 23:56, 21 December 2021 (UTC)
 * It should not be a problem if they create their own account. RudolfRed (talk) 00:10, 22 December 2021 (UTC)
 * Should we just make sure to never "cross-edit" any of the same articles etc? Is there anything else that I should let them know? ♥ Th78blue (They/Them/Their • talk) ♥ 00:26, 22 December 2021 (UTC)
 * It could be Ok, as long as your partner doesn't cause a problem on Wikipedia. Severe  storm  28  00:43, 22 December 2021 (UTC)
 * Seems straightforward enough then. Thanks! ♥ Th78blue (They/Them/Their • talk) ♥ 00:44, 22 December 2021 (UTC)
 * Hi . Cross-editing the same article shouldn't be a problem as long as the edits themselves aren't a problem or the accounts don't appear to be working together in an inappropriate way. If you both register for an WP:ACCOUNT, then your IP addresses will not be publically available; administrators and some others like checkusers will be able to see them if they want, but they will not have any reason to start looking closely at the activities of the accounts as long as there's no reason for them to do so. As a precaution, though, you might want to follow the advice given at WP:SHARE. -- Marchjuly (talk) 00:46, 22 December 2021 (UTC)
 * Thanks for that further advice. I like to do everything correctly right from the START so as to avoid any potential for violating some guideline inadvertently. Thanks again! All very helpful comments. ♥ Th78blue (They/Them/Their • talk) ♥ 00:48, 22 December 2021 (UTC)

deleting a redirect page
Where can I ask for a redirect page to be deleted? ― <b style="background:#000;color:#f07b3a;padding:1q;border-radius:5q;">Kaleeb18</b>Talk<sub style="position:relative;right:20q;margin-right:-15px;">Caleb 02:54, 22 December 2021 (UTC)
 * Hello, . Please raise the issue at Redirects for discussion. Cullen328 (talk) 02:57, 22 December 2021 (UTC)
 * Thanks for your help again . ― <b style="background:#000;color:#f07b3a;padding:1q;border-radius:5q;">Kaleeb18</b>Talk<sub style="position:relative;right:20q;margin-right:-15px;">Caleb 03:27, 22 December 2021 (UTC)

Merging an article with a draft
I ran across a three-month-old draft that was declined because the subject of the draft already exists in article space, so I'd like to merge them. Can I proceed like a normal merge (I've done one before)? Especially since I've decided to start looking backlogs and feel like this'll happen more than once. —67.183.136.85 (talk) 02:17, 22 December 2021 (UTC)


 * You could merge some of the article, but definitely not the whole article. ― <b style="background:#000;color:#f07b3a;padding:1q;border-radius:5q;">Kaleeb18</b>Talk<sub style="position:relative;right:20q;margin-right:-15px;">Caleb 03:34, 22 December 2021 (UTC)

Good Faith edits reverted?
I noticed my Good Faith edits were reverted. I thought that Good-faith edits were all good, so why were they reverted? Thanks! Jishiboka1 (talk) 01:47, 22 December 2021 (UTC)
 * Just because an edit is done in good faith doesn't mean it's a good edit. Did you read the edit summary of the person who reverted you? (If it was ClueBot, revert back and report it as a false-positive.) —<i style="color: #1E90FF;">A little blue Bori</i>  v^_^v  Jéské Couriano 01:49, 22 December 2021 (UTC)
 * @Jishiboka1 do you mean this one: ? That was the only one I found, but maybe I missed one. If that's the case I think you just eyeskipped over the answer to your question: the editor says it's already mentioned in the next paragraph. (And it is.) Reverting is often done in response to vandalism, so editors sometimes say "reverted good-faith edit" when they revert, to make it clear that they don't think what you did was vandalism. -- asilvering (talk) 03:49, 22 December 2021 (UTC)
 * Hello, . Good faith edits are those that are not obvious vandalism or copyright violations or slander or personal attacks. Edits can be "in good faith" but also not appropriate for the encyclopedia. Two of your recent edits, for example, added information that was already in the article, in following sentences or paragraphs. In order to truly improve an article, you need to read it and understand it first. Good faith edits that do not improve the encyclopedia should and may be reverted. This is normal. Cullen328 (talk) 04:09, 22 December 2021 (UTC)

Username help
Hi, what is my username? Suppose my user nickname is MR BROWN. So will it be my account username also? 2402:8100:238D:5B88:478:5634:1232:5476 (talk) 04:20, 22 December 2021 (UTC)


 * Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. I'm not sure what you mean by "user nickname". As an IP, you don't have a username; if you signed up for an account, your username would be whatever you entered when you signed up. You could then customize your signature to display in different ways - some people do use a signature which doesn't correspond to their actual username. Wikignome Wintergreen talk 04:41, 22 December 2021 (UTC)
 * That last is confusing when people want to leave a message on the Talk page of an editor. David notMD (talk) 05:02, 22 December 2021 (UTC)

Deleting a draft
How can I delete a draft on Wikipedia that I have created some days ago? I not submitted it for review and I want to delete it. Thanks in advance. Blue Mango Juice (talk) 06:26, 22 December 2021 (UTC)
 * If you're the only editor that's worked on it, either blank it or tag it with db-g7 in the source editor. —<i style="color: #1E90FF;">A little blue Bori</i>  v^_^v  Jéské Couriano 06:44, 22 December 2021 (UTC)

Same last name
When writing text for an article, how do I distinguish between two people with the same last name? (In my case, a father and son without Sr. and Jr.) Pete Best Beatles (talk) 01:47, 22 December 2021 (UTC)
 * By profession or birthyear (if professions are the same). —<i style="color: #1E90FF;">A little blue Bori</i>  v^_^v  Jéské Couriano 01:48, 22 December 2021 (UTC)
 * Hi . What you're referring to is called Wikipedia:Disambiguation. There are various ways to disambiguate a page, but profession (e.g. Sammy Davis), birth year or some combination of the two (e.g. John Smith) are probably the most common ways for articles about people. Middle names or middle initials are also sometimes used as well; for example, George H. W. Bush and George W. Bush disambiguate using middle iinitials. -- Marchjuly (talk) 02:34, 22 December 2021 (UTC)
 * And, @Pete Best Beatles, when dealing with in-article text instead of article titles, see Manual of Style/Biography. Wikignome Wintergreen talk 02:45, 22 December 2021 (UTC)
 * Thanks, I was asking about in-article text. -- Pete Best Beatles (talk) 08:37, 22 December 2021 (UTC)

Why do pages get salted?
Why are some pages salted, or create protected? Damianlewis21 (talk) 21:15, 21 December 2021 (UTC)
 * Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. I'm wondering if there is a certain page that prompted this question, for which I could give a better answer, but articles or pages are salted if they are disruptively and repeatedly recreated after deletion. See WP:SALT for more information. 331dot (talk) 21:23, 21 December 2021 (UTC)
 * Levels of protection are used when articles are repeatedly vandalized. David notMD (talk) 05:07, 22 December 2021 (UTC)
 * Salting has little to do with existing articles being vandalised, but is to prevent unwanted articles being repeatedly created when consensus is that they do not belong here, yet one or more users keeps on trying to. Once 'salted', only an administrator can re-create that article - possibly because new sources come to light that show a topic is now 'notable' whereas it had clearly failed to meet our Notability criteria before. NM Demo (talk) 09:44, 22 December 2021 (UTC)

What is a teahouse
Ok if I log in what will happen 41.114.213.74 (talk) 18:30, 21 December 2021 (UTC) Ok why not


 * If you log in, you'll see your username at the top bar.😊 Lightbluerain ❄ (Talk | contribs)  19:07, 21 December 2021 (UTC)
 * Hello and welcome to the Teahouse, The Teahouse is a place to ask questions about Wikipedia like you did. If you make an account your IP address will not be exposed and you will also be able to edit protected pages once you've made a certain amount of edits and have an account for a certain amount of day. ― <b style="background:#000;color:#f07b3a;padding:1q;border-radius:5q;">Kaleeb18</b>Talk<sub style="position:relative;right:20q;margin-right:-15px;">Caleb 20:25, 21 December 2021 (UTC)
 * Furthermore, the IP notice at the top of the page you're editing will disappear. Also, you can edit your own userpage. Severe  storm  28  00:54, 22 December 2021 (UTC)
 * Hey, IP editor. I should add that we called this place the "Teahouse" in order to give it a friendly feel, where guests like you come in, ask questions, and we, your 'Teahouse hosts', serve you up with helpful answers. Sometimes - and especially for newcomers - Wikipedia can seem rather austere, so we aim to add that extra-friendly service here. So whether or not you mark Christmas in your own culture, feel free to come in, sit down and seek help with editing at any time of day or night. Here's one of our festive tables already set to serve tea and biscuits to the next new editor! NM Demo (talk) 09:57, 22 December 2021 (UTC)

HOW TO INDENT Contents list?
HOW does one INDENT so that it shows up in the Contents list.

4.4

4.4.1

4.4.2

5.0

example:

4.4 Modernism

4.4.1 XYZ Building

4.4.2 QWE Building

5.0 Postmodernism ovA_165443 (talk) 21:24, 21 December 2021 (UTC)


 * @Osvaldo valdes 165443, if you use subheadings, they will automatically be indented in the contents list. See Manual of Style. Is there an article where this isn't happening? Wikignome Wintergreen talk 21:31, 21 December 2021 (UTC)
 * Thank you!!!ovA_165443 (talk) 22:25, 21 December 2021 (UTC)
 * Further to what has said, if you look at the Contents list for the Teahouse, you'll see there are (at the time of posting) 54 questions here. Each question heading is numbered in the contents, but not against each post - something I find a bit frustrating. If you do too, and would like to see this in articles as well, you can change your personal Preferences so that you see numbers against each sub-heading, but nobody else does. To enable this function, go to Preferences>Gadgets>Testing and development and enable "Auto-number headings: Adds hierarchical outline-style numbering to headers in articles" Hope you find this helpful. NM Demo (talk) 09:38, 22 December 2021 (UTC)


 * Yes, it is helpful. I will hang out at the Teahouse, many tips and tricks to learn... thanks again!.ovA_165443 (talk) 14:37, 22 December 2021 (UTC)

@CoachZeeeee
How do I locate which account was used to create my wikipedia account? email ? Please advise. Merry Christmas. CoachZeeeee (talk) 14:17, 22 December 2021 (UTC)
 * you can see the email adress you set when creating this account in your preferences. Keep in mind email adresses need to be confirmed in order for you to be able to use email-based features. Victor Schmidt (talk) 15:07, 22 December 2021 (UTC)

Someone's messed up a closure at AfD
Hi, I don't know how to fix this. Someone has closed the AfD for Hassan_Abbas_(scholar) at Articles_for_deletion/Log/2021_December_22 in such a way that it's included all preceding AfD's in the same blue box, meaning they've all been closed and can't be commented on. Anyone able to fix? Elemimele (talk) 14:02, 22 December 2021 (UTC) Elemimele (talk) 14:02, 22 December 2021 (UTC)
 * The closer forgot . I have added it. Victor Schmidt (talk) 15:13, 22 December 2021 (UTC)
 * thanks! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Elemimele (talk • contribs)

vandalism "Peter Peri"
Hello, The page for artist "Peter Peri"(my husband) has suffered numerous bits of vandalism this year, beginning last april, including some anti semitism concerning a relative's page "Peter Laszlo Peri" which was reported to the police. Some of this was done from two "fake' accounts "peterperiart" and "Jonkordansky" which were soon deleted. Some were done anonymously by IP 217.138.129.138 including a request for deletion. The page went quiet for a while and now the same IP address has begun again to make malicious edits, partially undone by User:PurpleTheory . Is it possible to block this IP address or somehow prevent further vandalism by them? Thanks Eperi (talk) 13:09, 22 December 2021 (UTC)


 * I looked at what has been done and the IP address has been warned about their edits, but they have not done enough to be blocked. If the IP address continues to make unconstructive edits or vandalizes Wikipedia than they could be blocked. ― <b style="background:#000;color:#f07b3a;padding:1q;border-radius:5q;">Kaleeb18</b>Talk<sub style="position:relative;right:20q;margin-right:-15px;">Caleb 13:33, 22 December 2021 (UTC)

Alright thanks. Their first edits in April were done at the same time as the fake accounts mentioned above, which were reported to the police on the grounds of anti semitism. As this sudden flurry of attacks appeared to be obviously synchronised - but the Jonkordansky account was deleted and the police were unable to trace it - is it possible for wikipedia administrators to check if that Jonkordansky account was set up by this IP address? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Eperi (talk • contribs) 13:49, 22 December 2021 (UTC)
 * I am sorry that both pages have suffered from vandalism in the past - this can be quite upsetting for those knowing the subjects, especially if it is not fixed quickly or is racist or otherwise deeply offensive. As an admin here, I would agree with what stated, and would also point out that once warned, we allow up to three more 'bad faith' edits before blocking other users - something we do have to do quite frequently. I suspect you already appreciate that we discourage people closely connected to an article to edit it, but there is one important proviso you might like to know. If you see any 'vandalism' which adds unsupported and malicious statements, or which damages the article in a significant way, you may still act to remove it yourself, immediately, by going to the 'View History' tab and clicking 'Undo' against the offending edit. It helps to leave an explanatory 'edit summary' to show why you've reverted the edit. Or you can attempt to understand our system of reporting users/IP editors at this noticeboard - or you can return here if you're completely stumped and we'll check for you.  If you do plan to revert an offending edit, I would suggest you make a very short statement on your userpage to say that you're related to the subjects at articles x, y and z and will only edit them to remove 'bad faith' edits. You can find out more about the best way of doing that at this page. To get 'eyes on' any article that you are connected with (or don't feel confident about editing yourself) you can draw attention of other editors to your suggestion for making an improvement/correction by following our guidance on how to make an WP:EDITREQUEST.  Oh, and don't forget to add any page you care about to your WP:WATCHLIST so you can be emailed or get online notification about any changes that are made to them - just by clicking the star icon at the top of the relevant page.  I hope this has reassured you that, as volunteers, we do take the integrity of our 6.4million+ articles here very seriously. NM Demo (talk) 14:00, 22 December 2021 (UTC)
 * Also one minor detail don’t forget to sign your post with your username at the end of your questions or responses on talk pages with the four tildes waves ~ . ― <b style="background:#000;color:#f07b3a;padding:1q;border-radius:5q;">Kaleeb18</b>Talk<sub style="position:relative;right:20q;margin-right:-15px;">Caleb 14:12, 22 December 2021 (UTC)
 * And a further detail: while anti-semitic remarks may be illegal under the laws of some countries, and you're free to pursue legal action against editors who make them, threatening such action here on Wikipedia might get you in trouble. See No legal threats. For legal issues, the contact info is here (scroll down a bit). Wikignome Wintergreen talk 14:20, 22 December 2021 (UTC)

Ok, I appreciate that and thanks for the info. Just to clarify - their was an edit that described my husband's grandfather as a Nazi when he was in fact a Jewish refugee to Britain and his family in Hungary were almost entirely wiped out by the Nazis The matter was reported to the UK police.Eperi (talk) 14:27, 22 December 2021 (UTC)eperi
 * When writing/editing an article on Wikipedia you must have information backed with a reliable source and can contain no original research. So I can’t put the information you gave us in the article because it is not backed by a reliable source and it’s just original research. But if you can find a source to back up the info you gave us than it can go into the article. ― <b style="background:#000;color:#f07b3a;padding:1q;border-radius:5q;">Kaleeb18</b>Talk<sub style="position:relative;right:20q;margin-right:-15px;">Caleb 14:33, 22 December 2021 (UTC)
 * Our posts overlapped, and then I got called away, so I'll reply belatedly to the second point you made: Unless there were serious grounds for a police investigation into the activities of any person editing Wikipedia, neither the Wikimedia Foundation and definitely not any run of the mill administrator like myself would be able to reveal the IP addresses of a registered editors to anyone (not that I even have the ability to do so unless I were one of our tiny handful of WP:CHECKUSERS with special approval to look deeper into an editor's activities. And even then there would need to be legal reasons for making such information known.). I have taken a quick look through the edits made by the usernames you mentioned and, to me, all of these look like run-of-the-mill damage, pathetic comments or dislike of certain pages. I couldn't see anything significantly racist in any of them, except stupid passing vandalism which can be offensive and which, sadly we see all the time, as well as attempts to delete the pages via a discussion. We also get these all the time across a myriad of articles and for all sorts of reasons, especially when it comes to women subjects and politics, and ethnicities. Some are deletions are justified; others are not, and we discuss each article on its merits at WP:AFD. I am always happy to instantly block a user for deeply offensive edits without giving them any warning whatsoever, but none of the ones I can see even approached that level of vandalism or sustained attack. I may have missed the one your referred to as explicitly calling someone a Nazi, though I did note the deleted comment about 'being involved in Nationlism', which was removed.  Perhaps I missed other elements, although the deleted comment about vehicle parking did hint at some real-world local knowledge of an incident that maybe you are aware of but none of us here are, nor can act upon. I'm sorry I can't help you further, but I have added both articles and the users to my 'Watchlist' for the next six months to give you that added assurance that we care. Regards, NM Demo (talk) 15:05, 22 December 2021 (UTC)

There are numerous mentions of Peter Laszlo Peri as a Jewish refugee from the Nazi's online, some examples here. Please forgive errors in wikipedia formatting - the fact that his family were mostly killed by the Nazi's in Hungary is something, as you say, from our original research. https://artuk.org/discover/stories/how-emigre-sculptors-defined-british-sculpture https://www.pressreader.com/uk/bbc-history-magazine/20210415/281526523853023 https://pure.aber.ac.uk › filesPDFII. Art in Exile - Literature Review Eperi (talk) 14:57, 22 December 2021 (UTC)eperi
 * From what I can tell those do look like fine sources, but I don't really have the time to look into them rn. If the info from those sources are not already in the article you can ask someone to do it on the articles talk page by clicking new section near the top of the talk page and make sure to give those sources.To back up ur info. ― <b style="background:#000;color:#f07b3a;padding:1q;border-radius:5q;">Kaleeb18</b>Talk<sub style="position:relative;right:20q;margin-right:-15px;">Caleb 15:30, 22 December 2021 (UTC)

Thanks for adding them to your watchlist, appreciate it. Yes it's a sad personal attack, which, we now realise, was indeed motivated by a minor real world incident. The "Nazism" jibe about Laszlo Peri was made on the Peter Peri page on April 2nd - as part of the general flurry of rancour that occurred over the course of a few days. This we did find deeply offensive Eperi (talk) 15:34, 22 December 2021 (UTC)eperi

Problem with an edit?
Is there something wrong with https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:MobileDiff/1061485586? Dohenbud (talk) 03:20, 22 December 2021 (UTC)


 * Your right, the edit they made was sourced with two bad references and has been dealt with by . ― <b style="background:#000;color:#f07b3a;padding:1q;border-radius:5q;">Kaleeb18</b>Talk<sub style="position:relative;right:20q;margin-right:-15px;">Caleb 03:33, 22 December 2021 (UTC)
 * What's wrong with the references? The references are there because Pope Francis blest AllatRa's Creative Society project. Dohenbud (talk) 03:41, 22 December 2021 (UTC)
 * @Dohenbud, the references are not independent of the Society. They are the Society's own website and YouTube channel, which can only be used in very limited circumstances. You should find a reliable, independent, published secondary source to justify the inclusion of this event. Wikignome Wintergreen talk 03:45, 22 December 2021 (UTC)
 * The YouTube video is credible because it shows a Catholic priest announcing the blessing. Dohenbud (talk) 03:48, 22 December 2021 (UTC)
 * No. Catholic priests are not infallible. David notMD (talk) 04:02, 22 December 2021 (UTC)
 * Are any of our sources truly infallible? Fallability is part of the human condition. Mike Turnbull (talk) 12:28, 22 December 2021 (UTC)
 * Sorry I realize now that you were the one who made the edit and not someone else. The reason someone has reverted your edits is because one of the references is related to the subject. see WP:PRIMARY. The other one is a YouTube reference. YouTube references are usually highly discouraged unless the video is published by a verified official account see WP:RSPYT, and even if the video was published by a verified account it is still related to the subject, which goes back to WP:PRIMARY. ― <b style="background:#000;color:#f07b3a;padding:1q;border-radius:5q;">Kaleeb18</b>Talk<sub style="position:relative;right:20q;margin-right:-15px;">Caleb 13:19, 22 December 2021 (UTC)

Is there, perchance, anyone who can speak Ukrainian or Russian that can take a look at some of the sources in the article, and assess if they establish notability, or if they're mostly just self published or primary? I'm trying to trim and tighten up the article, but I'm not familiar enough with the area to know if it's actually notable. Please ping me if there is a response, as I don't have this page watched. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 16:00, 22 December 2021 (UTC)

Lead section
Hi. Sorry for disturbing the Teahouse again! I can't write a lead section of an article of a linguist. I've read how to write a lead section, but I can't find any notable works or things which are important. Actually, I'm thinking of nominating it to good article. I think it will meet all criteria without the lead section (it needs cleanup; I will do so soon). Can anyone give me some advises, please? Thanks. Firebanana (talk) 10:03, 22 December 2021 (UTC)
 * It may be that the person - who I assume is the linguist you want to write about - is not notable. See WP:NBIO. But if they are, all that a lead paragraph does is summarise what is said and cited lower down in the article about them. It lets people get a quick overview of the subject, such as "Joe Bloggs (1900-1960) was professor of linguistics at the University of Mumbles, Swansea. He was prosecuted for shouting out ancient oaths during the Queens coronation of 1953." Then the rest of the article can give more details and include citations about this eminent person and their fall from grace. Without at least one lead, no article would ever meet WP:GA status. Does that answer your question? NM Demo (talk) 10:32, 22 December 2021 (UTC)
 * NM Demo, thanks, yeah it answers my question. But the article has some reliable sources, books. Firebanana (talk) 10:48, 22 December 2021 (UTC)
 * I've just seen User:Firebanana/sandbox, and this looks like a really good start. Just a single sentence about what makes him notable is sometimes all that's needed. Yours is fine, though I'm not sure what a 'neo-Greekist' is. Can a better way be found to explain his expertise? You don't need citations in the lead, so long as you use incline citations in the main body - minimum one per paragraph (or for each individual factual statement if they're likely to be challenged). You can cite books if you wish, and even use the same reference again and again, but showing different pages each time. To learn how to do that, see WP:REFNAME and use the template to indicate page numbers. Both editing tools have a 'Cite' button where you can add full details of any reference in the relevant template. I'm really impressed with the start you've made here - I hope you are too, because creating new articles or drafts to begin with is not at all easy. NM Demo (talk) 10:58, 22 December 2021 (UTC)
 * You appear to have produced your draft by starting from the German version at de:Albert Thumb. That's OK but you must follow the procedures laid out at HELP:HOWTRANS. In particular, you need to give credit to the editors/authors who created that article in German because you are copying it within Wikipedia, even if you subsequently improve it with additional material. Mike Turnbull (talk) 12:24, 22 December 2021 (UTC)
 * NM Demo, I've created now a draft. How is it? Firebanana (talk) 14:08, 22 December 2021 (UTC)

Courtesy: Draft:Albert Thumb. If in truth started with a translation, state that in your next Edit summary or on the Talk page, or both. David notMD (talk) 14:16, 22 December 2021 (UTC)


 * David notMD, I've added it. Would you please tell me can this article be a good article now? Thanks. Firebanana (talk) 15:42, 22 December 2021 (UTC)
 * If by "good" you mean "is it likely to be accepted", then probably yes as notability appears to be demonstrated (I'm not an AfC reviewer). The article won't be rated "good" (see WP:RATING) as it isn't nearly comprehensive enough but don't worry about that yet. One thing I noticed is that current reference 4 just links to another Wikipedia article. That's not the purposes of references: they are there to allow readers to verify the stated facts — in this case about his grandparents. So you need to find an actual reference that states those facts or leave them out. Mike Turnbull (talk) 16:17, 22 December 2021 (UTC)

Change a logo on a business page
Hello,

I would like to update our business logo on a company page, but need some assistance on how to do so.

https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:APN_News_%26_Media_Logo.svg (This is the incorrect logo) With the correct one being on the bottom of the page.

Thank you! 14.200.143.82 (talk) 04:35, 22 December 2021 (UTC)


 * Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. I'm a bit confused - the updated logo already exists both here on en Wiki and on Commons, and is used at Here, There %26 Everywhere (company). What is it that needs updating? Wikignome Wintergreen talk 05:08, 22 December 2021 (UTC)
 * Also, in the future, please don't post the same question on the WP:Help desk and the Teahouse at the same time. GoingBatty (talk) 05:42, 22 December 2021 (UTC)

How do I add a business?
I would like to add my company. How do you add a business properly? CoachZeeeee (talk) 14:27, 22 December 2021 (UTC)
 * @CoachZeeeee: Welcome to the Teahouse. If your company is notable by Wikipedia's standards, you're going to want to read Your first article first throughly before starting a draft and disclosing your paid relationship with the draft. If it gets accepted as an article, you'll be limited to making edit requests on its talk page and virtually forbidden from directly editing it. — Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 16:54, 22 December 2021 (UTC)

Help needed with copvio-revdel tag at Łukasz Krupiński
Hello!

Can anyone help me with a copyvio-revdel tag please? I've added one to Łukasz Krupiński as part of the article is copied from the artist's website, but I'm getting message I can't work out where to put the URL.

Could someone have a look for me please?

Thanks in advance! Princess Persnickety  (talk)  16:46, 22 December 2021 (UTC)
 * The syntax for the use of that template is given at Template:Copyvio-revdel. --David Biddulph (talk) 16:52, 22 December 2021 (UTC)
 * Many thanks, I will give it a go. Princess Persnickety   (talk)  16:56, 22 December 2021 (UTC)

What he meant with neutral I am sure this is written neutral tone please help me
<redacted, copyvio> Eastaragency (talk) 04:19, 22 December 2021 (UTC)


 * Hello @Eastaragency and welcome to the Teahouse. If you are affiliated with Eastar, as your username implies, there are a number of problems. First, your username is inappropriate, per WP:USERNAME; you should change it or abandon this account for a new one. Second, you have a conflict of interest which you must declare, per WP:COI. Third, as the reviewer stated, your sources do not meet our sourcing standards - see WP:SOURCE. This is especially important in a biography of a living person. Once you've found reliable, published, independent sources, you should base the article on them, citing each fact as you go, and trying to be as neutral as possible - nothing like "taking this company to another level" or "he is an emotional speaker", just dry facts. WP:Your first article is helpful reading. Wikignome Wintergreen talk 04:35, 22 December 2021 (UTC)
 * You should also read WP:AUTOBIOGRAPHY and WP:PROMOTION, as you evidently seem to be writing about yourself - something we actively discourage as it rarely works out well for people here. Our criteria for having an article about a living person here can be found at WP:NBLP, and you need to ask yourself whether you genuinely meet them, and what independent sources there are that could let others assess that you do. If you can't find any, then Wikipedia isn't the place to write about yourself or, indeed, anyone else. NM Demo (talk) 11:21, 22 December 2021 (UTC)
 * @Eastaragency, why does this place have a copy of your draft? Usedtobecool ☎️ 17:10, 22 December 2021 (UTC)

Hi team, i need help to review and improve this draft
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Phanindra_Gollapalli Phanindra Kumar.GVR (talk) 14:43, 22 December 2021 (UTC)
 * Phanindra Kumar.GVR your draft has been declined six times, and you don't seem to understand how to address the comments about needing to establish notability or provide good references. It may help you to read Your first article and Referencing for beginners. Karenthewriter (talk) 14:55, 22 December 2021 (UTC)
 * , your user page and signature has the same name as the subject? In general, you can't write an article about yourself. Stop trying. --Hemanthah (talk) 15:12, 22 December 2021 (UTC)
 * Declined at least six times and now Rejected.If you persist in trying after a Rejection you are at risk for being indefinitely blocked. I recommend abandoing the draft. After six months it will be deleted. David notMD (talk) 19:45, 22 December 2021 (UTC)

Draft by Homaisyou100
ACCEPT MY PAGE AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA HOW TO ACCEPT I AM ANGRY 😡😡😡😡😡 Homaisyou100 (talk) 14:58, 22 December 2021 (UTC)
 * Please don't shout (Capital letters) or charge in stating your foul mood. Why not tell us your problem, and we'll endeavour to assist you. Often Notability and lack of Reliable Sources are the issue. If you're referring to Draft:Filipino Basketball League, I suspect those could both be valid reasons that would need to be addressed before a brand new League got a page here. The reasons for the decline are given on that page. Perhaps further research into sources might be helpful to your cause. Anger most certainly won't be. Regards, NM Demo (talk) 15:14, 22 December 2021 (UTC)
 * Oops, fixing my failed ping to you. NM Demo (talk) 15:16, 22 December 2021 (UTC)
 * A Google search is not a valid reference. In looking at what was listed at the Google search, not clear if any of those mentions qualify as valid references. Facebook does not. Instagram does not. YouTube does not. David notMD (talk) 19:49, 22 December 2021 (UTC)

Delete my account
How can I delete my Wikipedia account? I got fed up here. How to delete? Blue Mango Juice (talk) 16:08, 22 December 2021 (UTC)


 * @Blue Mango Juice You don't, just abandon it and don't edit anymore. Or regain interest at a later date and start again. More at WP:Delete account. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 16:16, 22 December 2021 (UTC)
 * Accounts can't be deleted by the account holder, but you can just log out of your account and never log back in again. Urban Versis 32 (talk) 16:17, 22 December 2021 (UTC)
 * ... but don't be put off by a couple of bad experiences trying to edit on the subject of mobile phones. It's a difficult area to write convincing articles, and many have fallen before! Stick around, you will be find much more rewarding areas in which to edit. Elemimele (talk) 21:42, 22 December 2021 (UTC)


 * Accounts cannot be deleted, as 1) we lack the technical ability to do so and 2) all edits must be attributable to someone, for legal reasons. If you intend to never return, you may request a courtesy vanish which randomizes your account name(among other things), but I hope that you reconsider. 331dot (talk) 21:48, 22 December 2021 (UTC)

How signatures are changed?
Firebanana (talk) 10:46, 20 December 2021 (UTC)
 * Welcome to the Teahouse. From the look of your userpage, it seems you've already found the answer to this question yourself. (That often the best way to learn). But see WP:SIGNATURE if in doubt. By the way, please avoid bright yellow in your signature as it is extremely hard for people to discern against the standard white background. Not everyone here has the perfect vision of youth! NM Demo (talk) 11:41, 20 December 2021 (UTC)
 * NM Demo, how's the signature now? Is it good?  Fire banana  12:01, 20 December 2021 (UTC)
 * Bright, and a lot more legible! It certainly sums up your username. NM Demo (talk) 12:06, 20 December 2021 (UTC)
 * NM Demo, thank you so much!  Fire banana  12:11, 20 December 2021 (UTC)
 * I find it confusing. Your User name is Firebanana. With your new signature, "Fire" goes to your User page and "banana" goes to your Talk page. I suggest Firebanana go to your User page and a simple "(talk)" go to your Talk. David notMD (talk) 12:49, 20 December 2021 (UTC)
 * Sorry to break in, but, @David notMD, that is a thing done to death. Here's an Example. — Preceding undated comment added 22:06, 22 December 2021 (UTC)

Declined page
HebarVolley (talk) 14:42, 22 December 2021 (UTC)

Hello, how can connect with customer support? As my page has been declined! I don't know what is the problem as I have followed every step!
 * Courtesy link Draft:HebarVolley - Arjayay (talk) 14:51, 22 December 2021 (UTC)
 * Arjayay User:HebarVolley I looked at your draft and saw you forgot to add any references, and that's a serious mistake. It may help you to read Referencing for beginners. Best wishes in adding the required good published sources. Karenthewriter (talk) 15:06, 22 December 2021 (UTC)
 * Karenthewriter - I think you need to look at things a little closer. I added the courtesy link, but it was User:HebarVolley who created the draft - best wishes - Arjayay (talk) 15:23, 22 December 2021 (UTC)
 * Sorry Arjayay, I messed up big time. Karenthewriter (talk) 22:58, 22 December 2021 (UTC)


 * Hello,, and welcome to the Teahouse. Wikipedia does not have "customer support", because it is not a business with customers: it is a cooperative project, worked on by volunteers such as yourseif, and me. This page is one ofthe places where editors can ask for help, so you have come to the right place.
 * I'm afraid that you have not "followed every step" - you have omitted the most important step, which is to find the independent reliable sources on which every article must be based (see verifiability) This is like building a house but omitting the stage of building the foundations: you might manage to build something that looks like a house, but it will probably fall down. Similarly, without independent reliable sources you might create something that looks like an encyclopaedia article, but it will not be accepted. Please read WP:your first article carefully. --ColinFine (talk) 16:37, 22 December 2021 (UTC)

Is it COI editing to edit articles related to Wikipedia?
Wikipedia has articles about itself, which are made by Wikipedia editors. COI editing is "contributing to Wikipedia about yourself, family, friends, clients, employers, or your financial and other relationships".

If someone edits Wikipedia (constructively, of course), they are volunteering for Wikipedia. And if someone writes about an organization they are volunteering for, doesn't that make a COI?

So, is it COI editing to edit articles related to Wikipedia? --67.183.136.85 (talk) 23:34, 22 December 2021 (UTC)
 * "And Wikipedia vanished in a puff of logic." [/Hitchhiker's reference] Wikignome Wintergreen talk 23:54, 22 December 2021 (UTC)
 * So, what's the answer? Is it a COI or not? --67.183.136.85 (talk) 23:58, 22 December 2021 (UTC)
 * No, as it's not an "external role". an editor's primary role is to further the interests of the encyclopedia. When an external role or relationship could reasonably be said to undermine that primary role, the editor has a conflict of interest Pyrrho the Skeptic (talk)
 * However, if an editor were to remove every well-sourced criticism of Wikipedia because they love editing Wikipedia so much, that could be construed as a conflict of interest. GoingBatty (talk) 00:08, 23 December 2021 (UTC)
 * We did have a kerfuffle recently about WMF members editing WMF-related articles, but that's a whole different kettle of dolphins. Wikignome Wintergreen talk 01:12, 23 December 2021 (UTC)

I want to donate but without using my bank card as I dont trust what other way i can use to donate thank you
60.234.172.175 (talk) 02:30, 23 December 2021 (UTC)


 * Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. A list of ways to donate can be found here. Thanks for your support! Wikignome Wintergreen talk 02:32, 23 December 2021 (UTC)

Why did my article get redirected to another article?
I created an article for Paul Bushnell some time ago but now when I search for his name it re-directs to an Edna Swap article. I can't even find the contribution history on Paul Bushnell. Any suggestions? Thanks! Pennyframstad (talk) 02:34, 23 December 2021 (UTC)pennyframstad Pennyframstad (talk) 02:34, 23 December 2021 (UTC)


 * @Pennyframstad, welcome to the Teahouse. It was turned into a redirect several hours ago by, with the reason "not enough in-depth coverage to show notability". You can see the redirect and access its history here. In the future, if you're redirected from one page to another, you can get back to the redirecting page by clicking on the little "(Redirected from [x])" which should appear under the title of the page you were redirected to. Wikignome Wintergreen talk 02:43, 23 December 2021 (UTC)

Revamp to be better
Hey, can I revamp this page to make it better, it needs some love:

so its noticiable for everyone but make it so its not an ad lol, who ever edited this page made it a glorified ad and yea no... it needs info

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Liquid_Web Oguro54 (talk) 01:57, 23 December 2021 (UTC)


 * @Oguro54, welcome to the Teahouse! Since that article was deleted several years ago and was apparently in poor shape, you'd basically have to start from scratch, and creating a new article from scratch is extremely challenging. New editors are strongly recommended to spend a few months learning how Wikipedia works, by making improvements to some of our existing six million articles before trying it. When you do decide to have a go at a new article, you are highly encouraged to read WP:Your first article. If you haven't already also check out WP:TUTORIAL; it's a lot of fun! Happy editing! Wikignome Wintergreen talk 02:13, 23 December 2021 (UTC)


 * Oguro54, a few minutes ago I deleted your user page. Please read and digest User pages. It occurs to me that you may have mistaken Wikipedia for something like LinkedIn. But no, it's an encyclopedia. If you'd like to advertise your employment skills, please do so on some other website. If you'd like to help improve this large but miscellaneously defective encyclopedia in some way that doesn't promote any person or company, then please stick around. -- Hoary (talk) 02:36, 23 December 2021 (UTC)


 * Hoary, Thanks, thats not a problem, I'll revamp that too. -- Oguro54 (Oguro54) — Preceding undated comment added 03:10, 23 December 2021 (UTC)

List of Greek Academy Award winners and nominees Article Question
Hello,

I recently added some more names to the list of Greek Oscar winners/nominees. However, I wasn't able to figure out some of the formatting (using red or green colors for "status" and properly creating the tables). Is there any way an editor could fix this? Here is the article: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Greek_Academy_Award_winners_and_nominees

Here are some sources:

https://m.imdb.com/name/nm1567113/trivia https://www.ellines.com/en/specials/27483-the-greeks-and-the-oscars/

Thanks! Aljay508 (talk) 04:05, 23 December 2021 (UTC)
 * I updated List of Greek Academy Award winners and nominees by using nom and won to create the red/green colors and using  to combine table cells.  I suggest you post any further suggestions (including how those sources could be used) on Talk:List of Greek Academy Award winners and nominees.  Hope this helps, and happy editing!  GoingBatty (talk) 04:35, 23 December 2021 (UTC)

Pending changes protection
The pending changes protection is indefinite protection, am I right? Unlike other protection like semi-protection that can be expire. Ctrlwiki • 07:33, 23 December 2021 (UTC)


 * @Ctrlwiki It depends. Semi protection can also be indefinite. If the pending changes protection is set to indefinite, then it will be indefinite. If it is set to temporary, then it will be for some time, say 2 years, or till vandalism or spamming stops in that page. Thanks. ― <b style="background:linear-gradient(45deg,#f05,#b49);border:2px solid #000;padding:2px;color:#ef4;">Itcouldbepossible</b>Talk 07:44, 23 December 2021 (UTC)

An IP number
116.111.111.246 (talk) 07:23, 23 December 2021 (UTC)


 * Hello, IP number. Feel free to ask a question about editing. -- Hoary (talk) 08:54, 23 December 2021 (UTC)

artist page
Hello ! I want to create a wiki page for an artist!what can i do? Justinarrow (talk) 10:11, 23 December 2021 (UTC)
 * Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. Wikipedia has articles, not mere "pages".  This is a subtle but important distinction.  Successfully creating a new article is one of the hardest tasks to perform on Wikipedia; it is usually recommended that new users first gain experience by editing existing articles in areas that interest them, to get a feel for how Wikipedia operates and what is expected of article content.  Using the new user tutorial helps as well.  Not doing these things often leads to disappointment, frustration, and anger as things you don't understand happen to something you worked hours on.  I don't want you to have any bad feelings, so I would suggest editing other articles first.
 * However, if you still want to create a new article now, you should read Your First Article, gather at least three independent reliable sources that show how the person meets the special Wikipedia definition of a notable artist or a notable musician(sometimes called "artists" as well). These three sources should be significant, in depth coverage and not just brief mentions or announcements.  You may then visit Articles for Creation to create and submit a draft article for review(new users cannot directly create new articles). 331dot (talk) 10:16, 23 December 2021 (UTC)

my question
my question is, how to add my books from various Publishers who have published my books, and also how to add my Harvard University page link and other educational pages such as www.academia.edu in USA for verifiable purposes, so that people could reach my articles and other works easily thanks. Dr. Chukuma (talk) 03:43, 23 December 2021 (UTC)


 * You seem to be asking about User:Dr. Chukuma/sandbox, which is about somebody who you call "Dr. Chukuma". Please read Plain and simple conflict of interest guide, An article about yourself isn't necessarily a good thing, and Help:Your first article. -- Hoary (talk) 03:56, 23 December 2021 (UTC)


 * Dr. Chukuma according to the New England Journal of Medicine there are 9.2 million medical doctors in the world. Most do not have Wikipedia articles. You need to find at least three articles, not written by Dr. Chukuma, and published in reputable periodicals, that tell why Dr. Chukuma is notable enough to have an article in Wikipedia. The doctor has had many books published by Blurb Inc. USA, but that's a self-publishing company. Anyone willing to pay the printing costs can be published there. Has Dr. Chukuma's books received favorable reviews in medical journals, or any reputable newspaper or magazine? You may find it helpful to read Notability and Referencing for beginners. Best wishes on rewriting your draft article, using only information that comes from good references sources, to prove the doctor meets the requirements for being the subject of a Wikipedia article. Karenthewriter (talk) 08:13, 23 December 2021 (UTC)
 * See David Baltimore for an example of how a sceintist's books are listed. David notMD (talk) 13:22, 23 December 2021 (UTC)

Edit Revisions
Hello and sorry for disturbing, but I have a small question regarding something to do with article revisions. I was searching contributions for a user called "Master" (because I was just messing around with whatever this thing is, it's 1 am here, I can't sleep and I have nothing else to do so why not) and found a revision for Timeline of world map changes, dating back 18 September 2009, I went to the article, and looked at the revisions and I couldn't find the edit from this user, it goes from 23:36, 14 September 2009‎ Spesh531 to 08:40, 23 September 2009‎ 41.7.179.52, how come the revision for 18 September 2009 is missing in the revision history, is this like that for all articles? Thanks - RandomEditorAAA (talk) 05:52, 23 December 2021 (UTC) RandomEditorAAA (talk) 05:52, 23 December 2021 (UTC)


 * @RandomEditorAAA, That's because the article you're looking at is Timeline_of_geopolitical_changes_(1900%E2%88%92present), to which Timeline of world map changes redirects, as mentioned at the top. If you click on it there, it'll show you the redirect page itself and you can look at its history. It does have the edit you are looking for - see this. Hemanthah (talk) 07:20, 23 December 2021 (UTC)


 * Oh ok, that makes more sense, not sure how I missed that even at 1 am. Thanks! - RandomEditorAAA (talk) 14:35, 23 December 2021 (UTC)

Creating an article
We have noticed that there is a lack of an article on the 1987 cult-classic movie Heathers. I would like to know if it would be premature for us to create said article, seeing as there are articles for spin-offs, remakes, ETC but not the original movie. We have substantial knowledge on the topic, and we have done quite a bit of research. -Logan RemusSandersRegretsEverything (talk) 02:51, 23 December 2021 (UTC)
 * I believe the article for this film already exists at Heathers. Please feel free to improve it! DanCherek (talk) 03:00, 23 December 2021 (UTC)
 * Thank you, we were unable to find the article! -Gretchen RemusSandersRegretsEverything (talk) 03:02, 23 December 2021 (UTC)
 * Hello, . By far the most important question for each Wikipedian to ask himself/herself/ themself(elves), is, "Has this topic received signficant coverage in several reliable independent sources?" If the answer is "yes", then begin writing this article, summarizing what reliable sources say. It would be unusual for a non-notable film to inspire notable spin-offs without being discussed by reliable sources but I suppose that it is possible. Do reliable sources discussing the spin-offs fail to discuss the original? Cullen328 (talk) 03:15, 23 December 2021 (UTC)
 * @Cullen328 From what we found, it did not. We just edited Heathers so a;; should be well RemusSandersRegretsEverything (talk) 03:42, 23 December 2021 (UTC)
 * @RemusSandersRegretsEverything Hello - I just noticed that you signed your first post above with "Logan", then another with "Gretchen". Accounts on WP shouldn't be shared, so please create an account for each of you! --Maresa63 Talk 07:50, 23 December 2021 (UTC)
 * Remus is one body with multiple personalities (I simplify), so several names are in use for the one account. See User page. David notMD (talk) 15:10, 23 December 2021 (UTC)
 * Oh, okay! Thank you for the info, David and apologies to Remus. --Maresa63 Talk 16:48, 23 December 2021 (UTC)

how to balance writing on a website's achievements without sounding promotional?
"Wikipedia articles should not exist only to describe the nature, appearance or services a website offers, but should also describe the site in an encyclopedic manner, offering detail on a website's achievements, impact or historical significance, which can be kept significantly more up-to-date than most reference sources, since editors can incorporate new developments and facts as they are made known. See the Current events portal for examples."

Hello,

Can anyone please advice me on how to balance writing on a website's achievements without sounding promotional? My first draft was rejected for being too promotional, so i deleted a lot of information before submitting it again. It was again rejected for sounding promotional, so I edited it so that it only had the bare minimum information on the website. But when I submitted it again, it was rejected for not qualifying for a Wikipedia article.

I'm quite confused. I wanted to put in my info on the company's achievements, but i was worried that it would just get rejected for being promotional.

Any advice would be appreciated.

Thanks Theonlysamantha (talk) 06:15, 23 December 2021 (UTC)
 * Courtesy link Draft:Natural8 Karenthewriter (talk) 07:20, 23 December 2021 (UTC)


 * A Wikipedia article should not merely document achievements; it should summarize what independent reliable sources with significant coverage have chosen on their own to state about the website, showing how it meets the special Wikipedia definition of notable web content. You only have two sources in the draft; one of them just tells of the existence of the site and its traffic, and another is a press release type announcement of its activities. These are not significant coverage. 331dot (talk) 09:19, 23 December 2021 (UTC)


 * @Theonlysamantha Don't write about the article subject's achievements, write about what other people have said about its achievements (and failings). Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 10:25, 23 December 2021 (UTC)

What happens if I can't find any news on its failings? I can find stuff on Reddit, but we are not supposed to use Reddit right? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Theonlysamantha (talk • contribs) 14:24, 23 December 2021 (UTC)
 * Correct - see WP:REDDIT. To make the draft sound less promotional, you could remove words such as "popular" and "plenty".  Happy editing!  GoingBatty (talk) 17:00, 23 December 2021 (UTC)

mailton .com.br golpista invasor
2804:45C4:51D:A000:719C:461D:22D9:EA37 (talk) 14:27, 23 December 2021 (UTC)
 * Teahouse is a place to ask questions about how to edit. Do you have a question? David notMD (talk) 17:11, 23 December 2021 (UTC)

Is this organization logo acceptable to use in the organization's article?
Hi, I would like to add this logo to the article Sing Up. Wikipedia's rules on images are long and difficult for me to parse when it isn't a simple public domain file. And logos seem to have weird exceptions depending on design and country of origin? I would like to learn the rules that apply to this case and potentially add this logo to the article though, and would appreciate advice on that. Undead Shambles 🧟‍♀️ (talk) 08:05, 21 December 2021 (UTC)


 * The image has straightforward lettering and a geometric design. To me, a non-expert, it's not immediately obvious either that it does or that it doesn't have a legally significant degree of originality. This is a matter that's explained in Commons:Threshold of originality. (I haven't read this page; you can read it as easily as I can.)


 * If it is significantly original, then you have to determine whether (i) it has been expressly donated to the public domain, (ii) it's copylefted according a license usable for Wikimedia, or (iii) it's conventionally copyright. Assume (iii) unless you are able to cite clear evidence to the contrary.


 * If it is not significantly original, then you can cite this as your reasoning for declaring that it's in the public domain.


 * If you're not sure whether it's significantly original, the place to ask is Commons:Village pump/Copyright. -- Hoary (talk) 12:43, 21 December 2021 (UTC)
 * @Hoary: Thank you for this overview! And also for the village pump link; probably useful and I haven't really ventured out of the Teahouse to the rest of the help forum areas. Undead Shambles 🧟‍♀️ (talk) 22:19, 21 December 2021 (UTC)
 * Commons is going to require that thus logo be within the public domain in both its country of origin and the United States. Since the UK is likely the country if origin, this seems too complex for Commons per c:COM:TOO United Kingdom. It might be a case of Template:PD-ineligible-USonly for local use on English Wikipedia, but it should be fine to upload as Template:Non-free logo (with Template:Non-free use rationale logo as the rationale) even if it’s not public domain in the US as long as it is being used in accordance with WP:NFCC. — Marchjuly (talk) 00:01, 22 December 2021 (UTC)
 * @Marchjuly: So I went by the suggestion of using the File Upload Wizard and uploaded the file here. Is the template the wizard used (and info I put in) good enough? Little bit confused about when Template:Non-free use rationale logo is needed, since I looked at other users' logo uploads and the templates seemed to vary. Undead Shambles 🧟‍♀️ (talk) 03:25, 22 December 2021 (UTC)
 * It seem fine at first glance. You should probably fill in all of the parameters of the rationale template, even if you are only making an educated guess. The only possible problem I can see at the moment is that you uploaded the file in svg format and non-free svg files are sometimes a problem as explained here. If the file you downloaded from the organization's official website was in svg format, then it's probably OK; if not and you converted the file to svg yourself, then you might just be better off to upload the logo in its original format. There's quite a bit of disagreement among those members of the Wikipedia community who on work with files as to whether it's appropriate to allow svg logos to be used, but as long as you're using an official vector version released by the original copyright holder things should be fine. The only other thing might be the file's size as explained here. There are bots that patrol non-free files looking for ones that might be too "big"; so, if one of these bots tags the file with Non-free reduce in a few days, then that's probably the reason why. The use of svg logos is also seen as a potential problem here because they are supposed to relatively easy to enlarge without really losing any of their quality in comparison to other file formats, but once again this shouldn't be a problem if you're using a vector version released by the original copyright holder. -- Marchjuly (talk) 07:10, 22 December 2021 (UTC)
 * @Marchjuly: I'm late, but ok, thanks! The .svg was just the one they were using on their website. Undead Shambles 🧟‍♀️ (talk) 17:27, 23 December 2021 (UTC)
 * @Undead Shambles Welcome to Teahouse! Assuming it's copyrighted (I think it is safe to assume so) you can still upload it strictly within English Wikipedia only (not Commons), with a per Article fair use rationale (WP:NFCC via the WP:File Upload Wizard since book/album/orga logos are rarely freely licensed ~ 🦝 Shushugah (he/him • talk) 13:13, 21 December 2021 (UTC)
 * @Shushugah: Thank you! I think I will attempt to do this. Undead Shambles 🧟‍♀️ (talk) 22:19, 21 December 2021 (UTC)


 * ,, even if [conventional, non-copyleft] copyright is asserted over virtually all logos, this doesn't necessarily mean that they're copyrightable. If a design isn't copyrightable, a claim of copyright would be invalid, and the design is in the public domain; if something is in the public domain, uploading it to Wikipedia introduces unnecessary complexities. Material that's in the public domain (if useful to Wikipedia) should be uploaded to Commons, not here. -- Hoary (talk) 23:01, 21 December 2021 (UTC)
 * This is happening all over WP and at Commons (the latter being massively 'understaffed', for want of a better term); I annotated a 'speedy' (copyvio) as a test case which the uploader himself removed, choosing instead a deletion review at Commons which normally takes circa six months.


 * I've just successfully requested other Commons speedy deletions due to WP editor inexperience, uploading to WP via the Wizard, forwarded to Commons automatically; I uploaded replacements to use at the WP article.


 * To me, this logo from OP represents artistic style and unique colourways, and the multi-colour insert cannot be described as simple geometric shape, ergo exceeding the threshhold. The best course - IMO - is upload to WP under Non-free content (Logos) with a fur.--Rocknrollmancer (talk) 23:49, 21 December 2021 (UTC) (I am not a Teahouser).


 * Rocknrollmancer, I suppose that it could be claimed that the logo contains an (inaccurate) depiction of a flexagon, and perhaps that the very inaccuracy of the depiction implies a kind of artistic input. (Nowhere near as much artistry as I have, rather ineptly, tried to describe here.) -- Hoary (talk) 02:07, 22 December 2021 (UTC)
 * My understanding of the last eight years is that the WMF should be protected against litigation, although it could always be a moot point that the org would relish the advertising aspect; what complicates is that the (re)publishing (as a host) could encourage others to re-use at their respective portal(s). Looking at the logo, the 'flexagon' is suggestive of a stylised 'S'; both the homepage and that of the foundation org show a copyright annotation footer, so erring on the side of caution (as a default) obviates such subjective discourse over uncertainties.--Rocknrollmancer (talk) 02:38, 22 December 2021 (UTC)

Superheroes: a Never-ending Battle (2013-)
I'm a newbie can someone take a look at my proposed page again pretty please. The formatting is off. I apologize I know I need to watch the beginners wiki video. Qstor (talk) 15:33, 22 December 2021 (UTC) :Courtesy link: User:Qstor/sandbox
 * Nice start! I updated some of the formatting for you.  I suggest you move the page to Draft:Superheroes: A Never-Ending Battle and submit the draft for review by adding   to the top.  Happy editing!  GoingBatty (talk) 23:25, 22 December 2021 (UTC)

Thanks for your help! btw Superheroes:_A_Never-Ending_Battle should be added to the article on actor liev schreiber in television 2013 role narrator — Preceding unsigned comment added by Qstor (talk • contribs) 16:33, 23 December 2021 (UTC)
 * Agreed - go for it! GoingBatty (talk) 16:50, 23 December 2021 (UTC)


 * Done! Thanks for being encouraging! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Qstor (talk • contribs) 18:23, 23 December 2021 (UTC)

List of World Championships medalists in sailing (windsurfer classes). Wrong listing that has been persistently re-inserted
Windsurfer World Championships list at bottom of the page referenced above: I have contemporaneous published proof in the form of

the official class schedule, trophies, the Regatta results in the official class publication Windsurfing News and in other sailing publications that the 1973 event was the US Nationals in San Diego, not a Worlds. The winner of that Nationals, Bruce Matlack, has claimed for years that since two Europeans and a Tahitian participated, it was really a Worlds. The Windsurfer Class has always maintained it was the US National. Class Yearbooks later (in the 1982 and 1984 official Windsurfer ClaSs Yearbooks to be precise)called the 1974 event the first Worlds. How do I get this information corrected? - I have photos and a document that proves this without a shadow of doubt, but my changes keep getting undone. How can I insert photos of the documents and trophies? Richard Lamb Windsurfer Class President 1976-1983 Rglambsb (talk) 20:34, 23 December 2021 (UTC)
 * Welcome to the Teahouse! Per the BOLD, revert, discuss cycle, the best place to post would be the article's talk page: Talk:List of World Championships medalists in sailing (windsurfer classes).  You should be able to cite secondary sources for your changes, with cite magazine or cite news if you like, even if those publications are not online.  Hope this helps, and happy editing!  GoingBatty (talk) 23:29, 23 December 2021 (UTC)

Hi, thanks.How do I post a photo from a magazine from 1973 that is not online?

Editor
I have a question: can I make our own article if I can is it free and how do I do it? Naomi M. Herrera (talk) 22:12, 23 December 2021 (UTC)


 * You can make your own article and it is completely free. This link https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Help:Your_first_article will take you to a guide on creating your own article. Good luck creating it! Orton Santo Banto (talk) 22:30, 23 December 2021 (UTC)


 * welcome to the Teahouse. The reply from Orton Santo Banto is a little misleading; you can create an article, but it will not be "your own", and you should not create articles about yourself, or about people or organisations connected to yourself. The page that Orton Santo Barto linked to has more information. --bonadea contributions talk 22:45, 23 December 2021 (UTC)
 * I'm really sorry, but I'm afraid you may be rather mistaken as to the purpose of Wikipedia. Unfortunately, your creation of Draft:ALC is nowhere near the type of content we would ever permit on this encyclopaedia of 6.4 million+ Notable things. It will inevitably be deleted shortly as WP:PROMOTION, but please don't be upset about that, or put off. If you're seriously interested in contributing, you'd be better of learning how to make smaller edits to start with to existing pages. You would find Help:Introduction useful in guiding you.
 * Because I'm currently not editing from my usual adminstrator account, I can't remove it myself right now, but perhaps User:Bonadea or another host here could pop on a CSD (speedy deletion) notice, whilst also dropping you a friendly welcome message on your talk page with other useful links to help get you started. Kind regards from the UK, NM Demo (talk) 23:37, 23 December 2021 (UTC) (this is an alt-account of User:Nick Moyes)

Lasiocampidae access
Hi guys, my name is Alexey Prozorov, I specialize on moths from the Lasiocampidae family, mainly African ones though I have broader interests in lepidopterology. I'm a newby here but want to start filling a gap about lasiocampids and learn to do it quick. Just yesterday I tried to improve the page about the Rhynchobombyx genus though soon after another guy restored the pa``ge like he knows it better; and as newby I'm also not allowed to create new pages which I'd like to do. Might anybody help me to have an access to create and fill pages devoted to Lasiocampidae or maybe I could provide an info? Peter Roelofs helps me with Wikispecies, though I'm sure he has many much more interesting things to do instead of filling descriptions of my taxa. It's easy to proof my identity via email which I use in my articles (for example https://doi.org/10.11646/zootaxa.5067.3.5). Thanks in advance to anyone who may help and waste some time on me. Cheers, Alex Lasio id (talk) 17:56, 23 December 2021 (UTC) Lasio id (talk) 17:56, 23 December 2021 (UTC)


 * Hello @Lasio id and welcome to the Teahouse. There were a couple of problems with your additions - you were citing your own material, which is allowed only under very limited circumstances (see WP:SELFCITE); and your citations were not done correctly so they could not be verified (see How to cite your sources). Wikignome Wintergreen talk 18:04, 23 December 2021 (UTC)
 * Also pinging, who is the one who reverted you; they seem to be interested in these subjects, and might be willing to help integrate the info you can provide on Lasiocampidae. Wikignome Wintergreen talk 18:21, 23 December 2021 (UTC)
 * Thanks for notifying me. Wikignome Wintergreen is correct, I was forced to revert because the link to the reference didn't work, and a quick internet search didn't yield anything promising. Also, I found the change because you broke the taxobox; I am by no means an expert in lepidopterology! Citing your own work here seems reasonable to me based on WP:SELFCITE. Please feel free to make the changes again, just make sure the reference you provide is working. Thanks. YorkshireExpat (talk) 18:43, 23 December 2021 (UTC)
 * You have the right to create new articles through the Articles for Creation (AfC) process described at WP:YFA. That said, your approach to improving the existing Rhynchobombyx article was the better approach. This requires a ref in a valid format for the document you co-authored. Wikipedia does not care if you really are Alexey Prozorov or not, only that information you add is supported by valid reference(s). David notMD (talk) 20:14, 23 December 2021 (UTC)
 * Hello Lasio id. I'm a retired museum natural sciences curator (though not a lepidopterist), and am happy to help guide any expert scientist who wants to start contributing here. Quite often, academic professionals bring a slightly different approach from their sphere or work which doesn't always match up with how wikipedians do things. I often see this exemplified in their desire to credit every team member involved in a particular research topic they want to write about, whereas we leave that for users to find out when they investigate the cited source. So, I whole-heartedly want to welcome and encourage you to add new content and to turn redlinks to blue by adding new articles about existing lepidoptera, or discoveries of new ones, as you have done. Whilst I'm no expert on using taxoboxes, I'd be happy to help or guide you if you encounter any problems that you find yourself struggling with.
 * That said, you might find more like-minded editors at WikiProject Lepidoptera and on its associated talk page. But just drop by my own talk page and leave a message if you need any support, and I'll try and point you in the right direction. Please post any questions to my usual talk page at User talk:Nick Moyes rather than the one at the end of my signature below, because today I'm using my different, and rarely used account for technical reasons. If you are happy to declare your real name and professional interests on your own Userpage, I think you'll find other editors will really appreciate knowing your involvement in the topic and motivation for editing Wikipedia. Kind regards from the UK, NM Demo (talk) 00:07, 24 December 2021 (UTC) (this is the alt-account of User:Nick Moyes)

Want to have old edits based on IP address changed to be identified under my account
Is it possible to have the old IP addressed edits folded under/into my account? ItsACityOfApes (talk) 00:36, 24 December 2021 (UTC)


 * @ItsACityOfApes, hello and welcome to the Teahouse. It's not possible, since IP addresses can be shared by multiple people, and there's no way to know it was you - this account holder - who made those edits. But if you don't mind publicly associating your account with that IP, you can put a note on your user page along the lines of of, "Used to edit as [IP address]". Wikignome Wintergreen talk 00:41, 24 December 2021 (UTC)
 * Also, @ItsACityOfApes, I'm afraid an abebooks search is not an adequate source for content. Please see WP:How to cite sources. Wikignome Wintergreen talk 00:53, 24 December 2021 (UTC)

Donations
I'm sorry that I can't afford to donate. I only make $727 dollars a month on SSDI. Thank You for your service. 24.72.246.97 (talk) 10:35, 23 December 2021 (UTC)
 * Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. If you can't donate, we don't want you to and you shouldn't feel bad despite the messages that appear. Those messages are from the Foundation, not us editors.. If you create an account, you can turn off the donation requests in the account preferences and then you won't see them. 331dot (talk) 10:41, 23 December 2021 (UTC)
 * Welcome to the Teahouse! Donating your time to improve articles would be greatly appreciated!  GoingBatty (talk) 17:10, 23 December 2021 (UTC)
 * IP editor, the Wikimedia Foundation definitely does not need financial support from poor people like you. They are rolling in cash and you need to watch every penny. Please spend your own limited funds for your direct benefit - rent, food, medicines and so on. Feel free to use Wikipedia as much as you want without donating any money at all. Ignore the fundraising banners, or set up a free Wikipedia account and you can edit your preferences to turn off the fundraising banners. Cullen328 (talk) 02:49, 24 December 2021 (UTC)

How do I become an Administrator?
I would very much like to become an Administrator but I am not sure what the criteria for becoming one is or where to find someone or something that could help me. Do you have any answers or tips to assist me? Orton Santo Banto (talk) 21:30, 23 December 2021 (UTC)
 * Hello,, and welcome to the Teahouse! I appreciate your enthusiasm and dedication to the project, but the simple fact is that becoming a Wikipedia administrator takes years of experience in editing, as well as tens of thousands of edits. You can see more about what it takes to become an administrator by reading Advice for RfA candidates, if you want. But the bottom line is that it's a high bar because administrators are expected by many to be well versed in the project as content creators. My advice to you would be to focus on creating good content first and foremost, and if you truly want to be an administrator, there's a good chance that other editors will notice your quality work and may very well ask to nominate you for RfA. OhKayeSierra (talk) 21:40, 23 December 2021 (UTC)
 * @Orton Santo Banto to become an admin takes several years of active commitment to Wikipedia. Admin candidates are generally expected to have logged at least a few tens of thousands of edits, created a few articles and brought at least a couple up to Good or Featured quality level. Significant experience in a number of "non-article writing" activities, including participation in policy issues and discussions, are also expected of admin candidates. Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 21:43, 23 December 2021 (UTC)
 * Administrators describes the responsibilites of being an Administrator. David notMD (talk) 21:46, 23 December 2021 (UTC)
 * Thank you for your assistance. Orton Santo Banto (talk) 21:59, 23 December 2021 (UTC)
 * Hi . Why do you want to become an administrator? Is there something that only administrators can do that you also want to be able to do? -- Marchjuly (talk) 22:10, 23 December 2021 (UTC)
 * That is the important point, . Admins do not have any particular status, rank, or prestige (and if you want to be an Admin because you are looking for one of those, you certainly should not be an admin: see Hat collecting). They are trusted with certain tools that the rest of us do not have. To get voted in, they generally have to persuade other editors both that they can be trusted with those tools, and that there is some particular service they wish to provide to Wikipedia that requires those tools. I have been editing for more than 15 years, and have made almost 20 000 edits, but I have never sought to be an Admin, because I am not interested in the jobs which only Admins can do. --ColinFine (talk) 00:47, 24 December 2021 (UTC)

Hello, welcome to the Teahouse. Although I myself am a new user, this is one of the areas where I know a little bit about the associated topic. First of all, you cannot just magically become an admin. Becoming one takes Y E A R S of hard work and determination to prove yourself worthy. Second of all, you don't need to become an administrator. Administrators can only do a few other things that normal users can't, like being able to visit deleted articles, etc. A few good steps in the right direction are removing vandalism, playing a part in making an article a good/featured article, and other things. If you want, you can visit some administrators' talk pages and find out something they did that resulted in them becoming an admin. Good luck on your journey! ;) Regards, XxxorBBroxxX (wanna chat?) 02:59, 24 December 2021 (UTC)

Hello
Hi. I am a new user, but I don't know where to start. Can someone help me please? XxxorBBroxxX (talk) 02:59, 24 December 2021 (UTC)


 * Welcome to Wikipedia! I hope you enjoy the encyclopedia and want to stay. As a first step, you may wish to read the Introduction.
 * I also highly recommend you try The Wikipedia Adventure (a tutorial orienting you with Wikipedia).
 * If you have any questions, or are wondering about places where you can start helping out, feel free to leave me a message on my talk page. I'll be happy to provide additional assistance. –– FormalDude Emojione 1F427.svg talk 03:12, 24 December 2021 (UTC)

Alright, thanks for the help! XxxorBBroxxX (talk) 03:17, 24 December 2021 (UTC)

Merry Christmas!
D: --Станислав Савченко (talk) 05:18, 23 December 2021 (UTC)


 * Thank you, Stanislav, and a Merry Yule to you too. Though here and now it's Festivus, so may I say Merry Festivus to you as well. -- Hoary (talk) 09:34, 23 December 2021 (UTC)
 * ОК, thank you!--Станислав Савченко (talk) 03:22, 24 December 2021 (UTC)

Seeking draft rejection advice
Hello, I have written a page, Draft:Ambrose Kenny-Smith, which was rejected. To my understanding it was rejected because of lack of significant coverage. I would like some advice on how to improve the page in that regard! Thanks! Nolightss (talk) 04:23, 24 December 2021 (UTC)
 * Welcome to the Teahouse! Per the gray box at the top of your draft, the reviewer is asking you to add more "published, reliable, secondary sources that are independent of the subject".  There are a lot of wikilinks in that box to Wikipedia's policies and guidelines to help you with your draft.  Hope this helps, and good luck with the draft!  GoingBatty (talk) 05:20, 24 December 2021 (UTC)
 * , your draft was not rejected. It was declined. What you need to do is to improve the draft, if you can, by providing links to reliable, independent sources that devote significant coverage to that person and their music. References to such sources are mandatory. Without them, no acceptable Wikipedia article can be created. Cullen328 (talk) 07:27, 24 December 2021 (UTC)

Can court documents of divorce be acceptable as a source for the fact of the divorce?
Hi,

Myself and others recently reverted several unsourced attempts to add a divorce to the article Kenny Doughty. Eventually, the article was protected. Now, however, I have gotten this message on my talk page, where one of the users who was adding the divorce has produced an image of a convincing court divorce order.

I know Wikipedia is strict about the use of primary sources, and especially when it concerns living people (see WP:BLPPRIMARY). But using this document as a source for just the fact of the divorce does not seem to me to be supporting assertions, revealing personal details or require any original interpretation. So, can I use this document to support the fact that Kenny Doughty divorced his wife in 2021, and if yes, how do I cite such a document?

Thanks in advance for any help! &mdash; Knuthove (talk) 15:16, 23 December 2021 (UTC)


 * Knuthove the document appears to state that the marriage will dissolve in six weeks unless someone shows why that shouldn't happen. I'm not familiar with law in that jurisdiction, but I'm wondering if another document was issued a few months later stating that the marriage was dissolved, and the divorce is official. Karenthewriter (talk) 16:05, 23 December 2021 (UTC)


 * Karenthewriter, I thought so too at first, but a careful reading shows that this is in fact that later document. This is the "decree absolute" (which the document says in tiny writing in the lower right corner). It makes absolute the earlier "decree nisi". You can read about this on e.g. this UK government page. The decree nisi also has a big disclaimer that explains how it is not final, as you can see in e.g. this example. &mdash; Knuthove (talk) 17:20, 23 December 2021 (UTC)
 * Knuthove, sorry for not seeing the fine print, but my laptop monitor is rather small, and my eyes aren't as young as they used to be! Karenthewriter (talk) 23:34, 23 December 2021 (UTC)
 * No problem! &mdash; Knuthove (talk) 01:51, 24 December 2021 (UTC)


 * Wait until a WP:BLP-good source notice it. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 17:12, 23 December 2021 (UTC)
 * Actually, need valid ref to confirm he and Caroline got married (here and in article about her) AND to confirm the divorce. David notMD (talk) 17:22, 23 December 2021 (UTC)
 * Presumably reliably sourced coverage of the divorce is also prima facie evidence of marriage.Slywriter (talk) 18:46, 23 December 2021 (UTC)


 * Thanks for your replies, and . I agree that coverage in a reliable secondary source would be best, but if this document is an acceptable source, should we stop the user on my talk page from adding it? If a better source is found, then this one could be replaced. But I can’t see what policy it would break to source the divorce (and marriage) to this document, so I can’t see why it should not be ok to do so. &mdash; Knuthove (talk) 22:57, 23 December 2021 (UTC)
 * Unfortunately, the issue is that this doesn't look to me to be an acceptable source. As I understand it, User:Updater6947 has supplied you with a link to a hosting website of a scan of a probably (but not necessarily) genuine document. They believe this is sufficient proof. Can it be found online on an official archival/legal website, or does Mr Doughty's own social media accounts state that a divorce has come through? (I could find nothing on his Twitter account, and got bored by all his football-relate tweets to wade too far). If the editor can find mention of a divorce there, or statements in reliably-published media sources, it can then go in the article. If not, it can't. IMdB is user-generated, so also can't be relied upon. We simply cannot allow every user who want to add content to submit an image purporting to be proof to free hosting websites and hope to have it accepted by us. Whilst neither questioning the veracity of this particular image, nor the intentions of the editor themselves, I don't feel uploaded scanned documents of this type could ever be relied upon as being genuine, and wouldn't necessarily remain online for long. Documents in unpublished archives can be a wonderful source of information to researchers, but little use to Wikipedia as they don't allow someone on the other side of the world to WP:VERIFY their existence. Uploading an unpublished archival document to Commons wouldn't be acceptable proof either. I've used archives within the museum sphere and find this quite frustrating here, but it's the reality of how we work (by copying what secondary sources say) and it's really important that we follow our policies when it comes to information that affects the lives of living people, and which could end up being incorrectly reported here, then repeated elsewhere. That said, we do actually have a template for citing archived material (see, though I would still be very wary of trying to cite something that cannot easily be refound or proven genuine. How did this user come by the scan they made, do we know? NM Demo (talk) 00:44, 24 December 2021 (UTC)
 * Shorter answer: No. Unreliable source documents cannot be placeholders until someone can provide a reliable source document. David notMD (talk) 00:50, 24 December 2021 (UTC)
 * , I agree wholeheartedly that this picture is not a good source, both because of its fleeting nature, and because of the trust issues due to being user generated., I also agree that unreliable sources cannot be placeholders for reliable ones. What I was suggesting was citing the document, by some unique identifier such as perhaps the case number, so that anyone could verify it by going to the right UK legal archive. I don’t know how User:Updater6947 got the image, and it would certainly be relevant to ask them, but I understand that these documents are publicly available. For instance, this page says: "When someone has obtained decree absolute (the final decree of divorce meaning the marriage is dissolved and you are divorced) is their divorce then a matter of public record? The simple answer is yes. Anyone will be able to obtain a copy of the decree absolute". I see WP:sourceaccess says "Do not reject reliable sources just because they are difficult or costly to access", and WP:offline says "there is no distinction between using online versus offline sources." So perhaps the question boils down to if we trust that User:Updater6947 is accurately citing the hard to access, offline document. I am inclined to do so. If we do not, then why? Who gets to cite hard to access sources, and who does not? &mdash; Knuthove (talk) 01:47, 24 December 2021 (UTC)
 * Fuzzy area. For example, my doctoral thesis exists as a hard copy in my university library (also in a box in my basement). It is not indexed in any searchable database. Can that be a reference? More to the point, Wikipedia is a trailing indicator for biology articles about living people. Refs can likely be found that KD and CC got married in 2006. There are news mentions (speculations?) that KD is romantically involved with someone else. In time, his divorce from CC will be confirmed. David notMD (talk) 08:25, 24 December 2021 (UTC)

black sabbath record profits 1973
76.115.12.165 (talk) 08:45, 24 December 2021 (UTC)


 * Hello IP user. Welcome to the Teahouse. How may I help you? ― <b style="background:linear-gradient(45deg,#f05,#b49);border:2px solid #000;padding:2px;color:#ef4;">Itcouldbepossible</b>Talk 09:34, 24 December 2021 (UTC)

FYI
I sometimes see the thing called FYI, written in some threads. I know it is "For Your Information", but don't know why to use, and how to use? ― <b style="background:linear-gradient(45deg,#f05,#b49);border:2px solid #000;padding:2px;color:#ef4;">Itcouldbepossible</b>Talk 08:06, 21 December 2021 (UTC)


 * This is a good question. "FYI" is typically used when you want to let somebody know something that they don't need to act upon, for instance "FYI, I mentioned you in a Teahouse thread". It would typically not be used if you wanted the other person to do something, for instance "I mentioned you in a Teahouse thread, and it would be great if you could participate in that discussion". But that is not a clear-cut "rule", I could for instance imagine saying "FYI, there is already an article about that topic, so instead of creating a new draft you could edit that article". Sometimes, people use "FYI" when they say something that the other person already knows (or could be expected to know), and to me that comes across as patronising: saying "FYI, Wikipedia articles need reliable sources" to an administrator would be an example of that. And it is also not a great expression to use in an argument where there are different opinions: "FYI, the Duckburg Daredevils are the best gravel hockey team ever." --bonadea contributions talk 08:28, 21 December 2021 (UTC)
 * @Bonadea Thanks. But what is the need to use FYI? I mean, there is actually no need, isn't it. Also please answer my question on your talk page. Sorry to bother you. ― <b style="background:linear-gradient(45deg,#f05,#b49);border:2px solid #000;padding:2px;color:#ef4;">Itcouldbepossible</b>Talk 09:20, 21 December 2021 (UTC)
 * Perhaps you were actually asking about the "FYI" template used in some threads here; it is indeed very useful, but if you don't think it is, you don't have to use it. --bonadea contributions talk 08:51, 23 December 2021 (UTC)
 * @Bonadea "Also please answer my question on your talk page" - No, I am actually talking about this. Have you stopped answering questions on your talk page? I wrote it to you many days ago, and I saw that you had not also answered anyone else's question there too. So that is why I wrote it here too. ― <b style="background:linear-gradient(45deg,#f05,#b49);border:2px solid #000;padding:2px;color:#ef4;">Itcouldbepossible</b>Talk 11:16, 24 December 2021 (UTC)
 * , "FYI" is an example of what Rodney Huddleston, Geoffrey K. Pullum and Brett Reynolds call a speech-act adjunct (A Student's Introduction to English Grammar, 2nd ed, pp219–220). There's been at least one paper devoted to it and closely related matters. The speech act most often performed by it seems to have changed over time, from something like "What I'm about to write may interest or even help you, but maybe it won't; if it doesn't, don't take it amiss" to a somewhat sarcastic reference to the same, something like "What I'm about to write is something you really ought to know and to bear in mind already; I shouldn't have to repeat it to you." (Of course some people may still be using it in its earlier sense.) ¶ If you have further questions about the meaning or usability of this or that bit of English (or other language), don't post them here; instead, post them to Reference desk/Language. -- Hoary (talk) 09:44, 21 December 2021 (UTC)
 * @Hoary Thanks Hoary for your answer. ― <b style="background:linear-gradient(45deg,#f05,#b49);border:2px solid #000;padding:2px;color:#ef4;">Itcouldbepossible</b>Talk 11:14, 24 December 2021 (UTC)
 * BTW: there are many other abbreviations in common use. FWIW you can always look them up in a search engine to get a sense of what they mean in modern usage. IIRC, one of the most often confused ones is LOL (lots of love? or laugh out loud?) If you're not sure, just ignore tham and mumble to yourself "DILLIGAS"! LOL NM Demo (talk) 15:06, 21 December 2021 (UTC)
 * @NM Demo Yeah, now I think it is better to ignore such stuff, until I am quite familiar with it. ― <b style="background:linear-gradient(45deg,#f05,#b49);border:2px solid #000;padding:2px;color:#ef4;">Itcouldbepossible</b>Talk 11:17, 24 December 2021 (UTC)

Special Links
How can I generate a special link for a certain page log, or to say it in more advanced terms, a particular action on a particular page, like this. What if I want to make a special links for this particular move, or in simple terms, how can I generate an internal link for this action. I already know how to generate special diffs with a user script made by Enterprisey. But what about this? ― <b style="background:linear-gradient(45deg,#f05,#b49);border:2px solid #000;padding:2px;color:#ef4;">Itcouldbepossible</b>Talk 09:28, 24 December 2021 (UTC)


 * Do you want to link to a specific log entry? Say, with logid? ClaudineChionh (talk – contribs) 09:36, 24 December 2021 (UTC)
 * @ClaudineChionh Yes Claudine. If you know it, please help me. ― <b style="background:linear-gradient(45deg,#f05,#b49);border:2px solid #000;padding:2px;color:#ef4;">Itcouldbepossible</b>Talk 10:54, 24 December 2021 (UTC)
 * See the template documentation for logid – use that to link to a log entry. ClaudineChionh (talk – contribs) 11:18, 24 December 2021 (UTC)
 * Thanks Claudine. So this would look like now. Thanks ― <b style="background:linear-gradient(45deg,#f05,#b49);border:2px solid #000;padding:2px;color:#ef4;">Itcouldbepossible</b>Talk 11:22, 24 December 2021 (UTC)
 * @ClaudineChionh Learnt another thing for you. ― <b style="background:linear-gradient(45deg,#f05,#b49);border:2px solid #000;padding:2px;color:#ef4;">Itcouldbepossible</b>Talk 11:23, 24 December 2021 (UTC)

Revisions
Why were so many revisions recently deleted? Why cannot I see some diffs? It says copyright, but what is copyright here? I have not done anything. Please look into the matter. ― <b style="background:linear-gradient(45deg,#f05,#b49);border:2px solid #000;padding:2px;color:#ef4;">Itcouldbepossible</b>Talk 06:16, 23 December 2021 (UTC)
 * Hi . Revision deletions are almost always done when the content of the edit was so problematic that it had absolutely zero encyclopedic value to the page in question. Revision deletions are more of an exception than the rule so there had to be something really wrong with the edit in question. If this was one of your edits, by chance, then check you user talk page because usually a corresponding notification is left their explaining in general terms what the problem was. If it wasn't one of your edits, you can try checking the WP:LOG for the page to see if a reason was given for the revision deletion. Usually, you find the name of the editor who performed the revision deletion and the reason why they did so in the page's log. -- Marchjuly (talk) 06:31, 23 December 2021 (UTC)
 * @Itcouldbepossible, copied his draft containing copyright violations to his message here. All subsequent revisions of this page till it was removed would have shown that content and hence were deleted. It has nothing to do with you or your edits. Hemanthah (talk) 06:57, 23 December 2021 (UTC)
 * @Hemanthah@Marchjuly So why did not someone just remove the the post from the Teahouse. It would have solved the problem much easily.
 * And, what does the term "revision deleted" mean? Does it only delete the edit summary and username, or does it also remove the text other added between the deleted revisions. ― <b style="background:linear-gradient(45deg,#f05,#b49);border:2px solid #000;padding:2px;color:#ef4;">Itcouldbepossible</b>Talk 05:16, 24 December 2021 (UTC)
 * @Itcouldbepossible, Haha, may be if it was that simple, people would have actually done that instead of this. Revdel is explained at WP:REVDEL, but in brief, it changes visibility of the selected revisions. Hemanthah (talk) 06:07, 24 December 2021 (UTC)
 * @Hemanthah Another last question regarding deleted revisions. When revisions are deleted, are text also deleted? For example consider this reply of mine. If by some reason an Administrator deletes some revisions of this page and my revision also includes the deletion, will this reply vanish? Or deleting revisions mean to only remove the edit summary? ― <b style="background:linear-gradient(45deg,#f05,#b49);border:2px solid #000;padding:2px;color:#ef4;">Itcouldbepossible</b>Talk 11:34, 24 December 2021 (UTC)

Christian song writer
Does anyone have any information about Tom Colvin, 1925- who wrote the words to "That Boy-Child of Mary"? The song was originally copywritten in 1969 by Hope Publishing Company, Carol Stream, Il. 60188. It is in my Baptist Hymnal, (c) 1991 by Convention Press, p. 110. question by Elteral3 Elteral3 (talk) 00:11, 23 December 2021 (UTC)


 * , welcome to a page for questions about editing Wikipedia. Your question is one you may wish to ask at Reference desk/Miscellaneous. (Incidentally, when you say "copywritten" I think you mean to say "copyrighted".) -- Hoary (talk) 00:46, 23 December 2021 (UTC)
 * Wikipedia (WP) doesn't seem to have an article about him, so WP can't really provide any further help. Going outside WP, there are articles at Hymnary and The Canterbury Dictionary of Hymnology (although the latter is a subscription service). Feline Hymnic (talk) 13:06, 24 December 2021 (UTC)

Jewish Legion page Gallery addition-Jewish_Legion
Hello, I recently uploaded a photo of my grandfather's separation papers from the Jewish Legion, dated 1920, which was successfully published in the gallery on that page. Here is the link:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jewish_Legion#/media/File:Royal-fusiliers-discharge-HermanGrant.jpg

I then wanted to add a photo of then Private Herman Grant to the gallery as well. You accepted the photo, which is stored here:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Herman-1918-Palestine.jpg#filelinks

I have tried several times to add it to the gallery of photos on that page, since it is always a good idea to associate a face with a name on a random certificate.

Is there some reason that Wikipedia is not allowing this? I notice there are other photos of privates who are relatively unknown or not famous presented on that page.

Can you help me to correct this? I would like to have his photo placed next to the above certificate of service.

Thank you,

Lee Turchin (user name is LouFarr) LouFarr (talk) 12:50, 24 December 2021 (UTC) LouFarr (talk) 12:50, 24 December 2021 (UTC)
 * Welcome to the Teahouse. The photo (shown here) can be included in a page using this script:
 * Herman-1918-Palestine.jpg
 * and then by adding a more informative caption.
 * However, if you were to try to add it to a gallery in that form, it would not work. You would need to strip out the wikilink double brackets. If you edit the source code for that page, you'll see the difference. Or read WP:GALLERY for further advice.
 * However, I don't feel that image should be added to the article at all. The discharge paper adds encyclopaedic content (at least it would if you were to add a caption to the image to say what it is), whereas simply adding a now sadly torn and faded photo of one of the legion members doesn't not meet our guidelines on when images should be added. I think it would only serve to confuse the article unless he were mentioned within it. It would be better for you to edit the discharge paper image to link to his photograph and ensure that you add relevant categorisation to the phot so it stands a chance of being found by someone within the right context. At the very least: Category:Jewish Legion in World War I is definitely needed. I would then ask you to consider how uninformative your image description of him actually is on Commons, and to address that, too. None of us are mind-readers and stuff that you know that isn't written down in the image description just makes it that less useful. Please don't be offended by this advice - it's done with the intention of seeing the right information not getting lost. NM Demo (talk) 13:21, 24 December 2021 (UTC)

Renaming an Article
An article is there called Gantchhora. It is an article based on a tv show. However, the spelling is wrong from the beginning itself. According to Hotstar it should be "Gaatchora". So is there a way of renaming the page. I know I won't be able to do that myself, since I have no user rights, but where should I request the renaming of the page. Please help. ― <b style="background:linear-gradient(45deg,#f05,#b49);border:2px solid #000;padding:2px;color:#ef4;">Itcouldbepossible</b>Talk 09:31, 24 December 2021 (UTC)
 * See WP:RM, but be careful of WP:RMNOT! Leijurv (talk) 09:36, 24 December 2021 (UTC)
 * Are you sure you don't have the rights to? Try it: Special:MovePage/Gantchhora Leijurv (talk) 09:37, 24 December 2021 (UTC)
 * @Leijurv Well, I know about that. You can see my contributions, I have moved subpages from my user page to another place, and then requested to delete the redirect. I was only asking if there was a way to directly move the page without keeping a redirect, but I know that I am not a page mover, and it cannot be done like that. So I was just seeking the alternative. And thanks for the WP:RM and the WP:RMNOT Wikipedia policy pages. ― <b style="background:linear-gradient(45deg,#f05,#b49);border:2px solid #000;padding:2px;color:#ef4;">Itcouldbepossible</b>Talk 11:00, 24 December 2021 (UTC)
 * The spelling differs. In the official fb page of the channel, it is spelled 'Gantchhora'. So the current spelling isn't wrong. Shinnosuke 15, 11:41, 24 December 2021 (UTC)
 * @Shinnosuke15 Ok, so need to rename. ― <b style="background:linear-gradient(45deg,#f05,#b49);border:2px solid #000;padding:2px;color:#ef4;">Itcouldbepossible</b>Talk 11:45, 24 December 2021 (UTC)
 * I said 'Gantchhora' is also right. So no need to rename. You can create a redirect to the remaining page i.e. Gaatchora to Gantchhora.  Shinnosuke 15, 12:17, 24 December 2021 (UTC)
 * @Shinnosuke15 I wrote it wrong. I should have written "Ok, so no need to rename". ― <b style="background:linear-gradient(45deg,#f05,#b49);border:2px solid #000;padding:2px;color:#ef4;">Itcouldbepossible</b>Talk 13:50, 24 December 2021 (UTC)

Question on sources
sources of different languages R30591 (talk) 13:46, 24 December 2021 (UTC) Hello there, I wonder if it's possible to use Farsi references and sources for an English Article or not?
 * R30591, sources of any language are allowed. Just make sure that you can properly translate the source. For example see this article with multiple non-english sources. Sungodtemple (talk) 14:13, 24 December 2021 (UTC)

Notability of film
Hi. Would anyone please tell me if any upcoming film has no principal photography commence date but have a shooting place and the principal photography has already began, will it be notable? Thanks. Firebanana (talk) 14:01, 24 December 2021 (UTC)
 * Firebanana, any film, whether released or upcoming, that is notable enough, can have an article. For example see Avatar 2. Sungodtemple (talk) 14:18, 24 December 2021 (UTC)
 * Sungodtemple, the sources says that the filming has began and the filming location. But don't say the date. Will the film notable in this case? Firebanana (talk) 14:24, 24 December 2021 (UTC)
 * Firebanana, the specifics of filming are irrelevant in this case, the only thing that matters is how well it is backed up by sources. What is the film in question? Sungodtemple (talk) 14:26, 24 December 2021 (UTC)
 * Sungodtemple, it's Hitpig, an animated feature film. Firebanana (talk) 14:29, 24 December 2021 (UTC)
 * Firebanana, I couldn't find many sources with the power of Google, although it seems to be somewhat notable. As Marchjuly said, you might want to try asking at WT:FILM. Sungodtemple (talk) 14:36, 24 December 2021 (UTC)
 * Hi . You can find some information about this type of thing in Wikipedia:Planned films, but you might also want to try asking at WT:FILM since that's where you're going to find editors familar with articles about films. -- Marchjuly (talk) 14:27, 24 December 2021 (UTC)

Tens
Sachin Tendulkar needs to grammatically correct. The article written in present Tens, But it's present Tens not suitable for International & Domestic career section b'cause he left Cricket playing in 2013. Some natives Eng speaking editor have to fix its grammar. Holland Tok (talk) 09:05, 24 December 2021 (UTC)
 * I scanned the Sachin Tendulkar article, and see that the past tense is used frequently. I suggest you post your request on the article talk page. Talk:Sachin Tendulkar, with specific examples where the present tense is used incorrectly.  Thanks, and happy editing!  GoingBatty (talk) 16:47, 24 December 2021 (UTC)

Link to nationality in BLP léde
Links to nationalities (especially the origin countries rather than the people of the country, even though the latter is what should be done if you really want to do it) in BLP ledes are very common, despite being straight violations of this part of the Manual of Style. I coined a term for them: Presley link, named after, you guessed it, Elvis Presley, because the first revision of his page had just what I described.

What can we do to remove these links? 2A01:36D:1201:606:5952:60DB:91B6:3699 (talk) 09:30, 24 December 2021 (UTC)
 * Welcome to the Teahouse! You can remove the links when you see them, and include WP:OVERLINK in your edit summary.  You could also ask your question on Wikipedia talk:Manual of Style/Linking - maybe there would be support for a bot to remove the links.  Hope this helps, and happy editing!  GoingBatty (talk) 16:50, 24 December 2021 (UTC)

How many pictures should be included in a Wikipedia article on a surname?
To specify, in the infobox near the leading paragraph on the article? Is there a max amount or guideline on this matter? Aleena98 (talk) 15:45, 24 December 2021 (UTC)


 * I don't think there is a set policy on this except perhaps NOTGALLERY. But I agree with you that four is plenty in that context.--Shantavira|feed me 16:58, 24 December 2021 (UTC)

How to add a article to WikiProject ?
How it affect the article ? How many WikiProject active in the USA and India ? Holland Tok (talk) 14:15, 24 December 2021 (UTC)
 * Holland Tok, add the corresponding template into the article's talk page. For example Sun would have and . Adding a page to a category does not affect the reader's experience but adds it to a category that gives it the attention of Wikipedians interested in the topic.
 * As for the number of Wikiprojects active, since anyone can create a Wikiproject, well a lot. There is one for pretty much everything from science to Bollywood to even guns. See Category:WikiProjects. Sungodtemple (talk) 14:24, 24 December 2021 (UTC)

Ok, I tried by this way on Jamshedpur to add it in WP : WikiProject Jharkhand but it did not happened, it showed red link.Holland Tok (talk) 14:30, 24 December 2021 (UTC)
 * Holland Tok, the Wikiproject is already added at the top of the talk page. It's collapsed, so you might have missed it. (Also make sure to add the template on the top of the article). Sungodtemple (talk) 14:33, 24 December 2021 (UTC)

At the top means where? And one more question how to request image, tons of bio articles don't have a single image. As you mentioned in your talk page that your a copy editor, can you do copy editing on MS Dhoni, Sachin Tendulkar theses have grammar issues and many others errors.Holland Tok (talk) 14:40, 24 December 2021 (UTC)
 * At the top of the article talk page - Talk:Jamshedpur - in the box "WikiProject India / Cities / Jharkhand". Hope this helps, and happy editing!  GoingBatty (talk) 17:02, 24 December 2021 (UTC)
 * @Holland Tok @GoingBatty it is admittedly hard to find existing WikiProjects on mobile navigation, switch your view to "desktop mode" and you should more easily see the existing WikiProjects. User:Cullen328/Smartphone editing is an excellent essay on this topic. ~ 🦝 Shushugah (he/him • talk) 17:08, 24 December 2021 (UTC)

Please help for the advancement of Pugazh.
Please help for the advancement of Pugazh.

This is to inform you that Pugazh is constantly been given a speed deletion by a person which is unfair of pointing out the valuable wikipedia users while adjoining them. So to prove it as this page should be improved by you (as you have been editing for more pages) may help to detect it and stop it for the improper validity and help on updating it for more advancement. Thank you. Cheers — Preceding unsigned comment added by Raajesh khan (talk • contribs)
 * The article was not deleted but moved to draft space. It can be found at this link: Draft:Pugazh where you can work to try to bring it up to the standards required for main space. meanwhile, please ensure you sign all your contributions to Talk pages with four keyboard tildes (~ characters) so we know who has made which comment. Mike Turnbull (talk) 11:30, 24 December 2021 (UTC)
 * This is an unexpected situation created in this wikipedia space while if you could help on bring it back to the default space this would be a christmas gift which you gave to the created user and the other fellow members. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Raajesh khan (talk • contribs)
 * No. I am not an articles for creation reviewer and will not be associated with lowering the standards of accepted Wikipedia articles. As it currently stands, there are insufficient sources to show that this person is a notable actor. In passing, I note that there is already an article called Pugazh (italicised, as it is the name of a film) so you need to rename your draft something like Pugazh (actor). This will be done by the AfC reviewer if and when it is accepted. Incidentally, your "ping" did not work because you still did not sign your new message with the necessary four tildes (yes, that's ~ )! Mike Turnbull (talk) 11:52, 24 December 2021 (UTC)
 * The OP is a likely sockpuppet of User:Editiors, just fyi. &#32;Mako001 (talk) 11:59, 24 December 2021 (UTC)
 * There seem to be a lot of them around, . The article has just been submitted for review by, an account created minutes ago. Mike Turnbull (talk) 12:14, 24 December 2021 (UTC)
 * Not Impersonating at all... Ill add them to the SPI. &#32;Mako001 (talk) 12:21, 24 December 2021 (UTC)
 * There is also Draft:Pugazh (actor), which I helped to edit. Feel free to combine the drafts and request that one of them be deleted.  Happy editing!  GoingBatty (talk) 16:55, 24 December 2021 (UTC)
 * We seem to have been sucked into a sock-drawer. There was already a deletion discussion linked here for Pugazh (actor), with outcome "delete" so it should now probably be a candidate for salting. was involved in the deletion and a SPI is also in progress for a bunch of accounts, linked here and mentioned above wasting everyone's time. Mike Turnbull (talk) 17:35, 24 December 2021 (UTC)

How can I write an article for Wiki
2A00:23C7:B805:9501:6D5C:45DE:40B2:42B6 (talk) 17:35, 24 December 2021 (UTC)

Welcome, IP user. It will be easier to communicate if you create an account. You may like to read some or all of these help-type articles:


 * Introduction and Getting started
 * Contributing to Wikipedia
 * The five pillars of Wikipedia
 * How to edit a page and How to develop articles
 * How to create your first article
 * Simplified Manual of Style
 * Simple set of "cheats" that work in the source editor to create various text effects

My main advice would be to start by improving existing articles. Creating new ones is really difficult for users who are unfamiliar with the standards of writing and sourcing required. Mike Turnbull (talk) 17:41, 24 December 2021 (UTC)

Draft article: Gleneagle Hospital Medini Johor
Hi, I have tried to submit my article but it has been rejected a few times by a same person. This my draft article Draft:Gleneagles Hospital Medini Johor the reason being is because it looks like an advertorial, can I understand which part of this article need to be changed? I have reviewed and checked the policies many times, I'm now quite confuse. Kindly advise. Please help Wcsneel (talk) 08:28, 23 December 2021 (UTC) Wcsneel (talk) 08:28, 23 December 2021 (UTC)
 * Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. Please review the explanation left by the reviewer on the draft.  An article should not merely tell of the existence of the hospital and the services it offers. It should summarize what independent reliable sources with significant coverage have chosen on their own to say about it, and not based on any materials put out by the hospital(such as interviews, press releases, basic announcements, mere descriptions), showing how it meets the special Wikipedia definition of a notable organization.
 * I would say as a start that the entire services section should be removed. Then please gather the three best independent reliable sources that have chosen on their own to write about this hospital; if you tell us what those are, we can give further advice. 331dot (talk) 08:50, 23 December 2021 (UTC)
 * I added some citation needed templates to your draft. I also suggest expanding the existing citation templates to include a work or publisher parameter.  Happy editing!  GoingBatty (talk) 17:09, 23 December 2021 (UTC)


 * Hello, and welcome to the Teahouse. It might help you if you understand that Wikipedia is not interested in what the subject of an article says or wants to say about themselves, or what their associates say about them. Wikipedia is only interested in what people who have no connection with the subject, and who have not been prompted or fed information on behalf of the subject, have chosen to publish about the subject in reliable sources. --ColinFine (talk) 00:37, 24 December 2021 (UTC)
 * @, @, @ Thank you for the advises. I have made some changes accordingly. The big 3 independent sources that I got the info from are TheStar and SinarHarian, these are among the Malaysia's top news publishers, and third one would be TheEdgeMarket. I also got some from journals (please look for IskandarMalaysia) and online book (please look for The Private Healthcare Sector in Johor: Trends and Prospects). Please let me know if these are relevant enough. Thank you. Wcsneel (talk) 09:21, 24 December 2021 (UTC)
 * Hello again, . The IskandarMalaysia is a passing mention, and does not provide significant coverage of the hospital. I cannot read The Star without logging in, or SinarHarian without translating, but they both look very much like articles based on press releases or interviews: if so, they are not independent and do not contribute to establishing notability. Please reread my previous comment: if the words come from the hospital, Wikipedia is not interested in them, irrespective of how or where they are published. --ColinFine (talk) 14:35, 24 December 2021 (UTC)
 * I expanded a few of the references in the draft, which can help reviewers evaluate the references. You can do the same with the rest.  Happy editing!  GoingBatty (talk) 17:49, 24 December 2021 (UTC)

Changing my password
I've been logged in forever. Afraid to logout since I don't remember my original password. I don't want to lose all my saved articles, and need to update my password. Thanks for any help. Robert Rasrealtor 17:48, 24 December 2021 (UTC)
 * I suggest you go to Special:Preferences and ensure you have a current email address listed before you change your password. Even if you were no longer able to log in to your account, you would still be able to access any articles (or other pages) on Wikipedia.  Hope this helps, and happy editing!  GoingBatty (talk) 18:02, 24 December 2021 (UTC)
 * (edit conflict) Specifically to Special:Preferences. Also, your browser probably does know it, so you could check the stored credentials. Mike Turnbull (talk) 18:03, 24 December 2021 (UTC)

Italic
Why Wikipedians use italic text sometimes during talking. Many Wikipedia essays are same. Such as they italicize is or not etc. Why they do? Firebanana (talk) 18:06, 24 December 2021 (UTC)
 * Different people may do so for various reasons but I use italics to emphasise something without SHOUTING. Mike Turnbull (talk) 18:16, 24 December 2021 (UTC)
 * Hi @Firebanana. Italics are used as a way of emphasizing certain important words - not in actual article text, where that use is discouraged, but in talk page posts or essays, it's fine. Wikignome Wintergreen talk 18:17, 24 December 2021 (UTC)

Having trouble keeping content on, its getting deleted
Hi, I am trying to add the following content on the Artificial Gravity page but it gets taken down. Is there anything wrong with it? Also, my gif doesnt animate.

Simulated gravity
In 2021, Vivek Kedia proposed and patented AirSim, a simpler and easier way to generate artificial gravity. Using circulating air, one can create constant force on the body. This doesn't create a constant and uniform force like gravity, as it just affects the surfaces, but being in a constant force will mimic/simulate gravity and mitigate health effects like bone and muscle loss. Further, it can also be used on planetary surfaces to increase the gravity to earth's. It's simple to implement and the technology already exists. It is not constrained by size like centripetal force idea and others. Xyzxyz321 (talk) 17:46, 24 December 2021 (UTC)


 * @Xyzxyz321, hello and welcome to the Teahouse. Your only reference is to a video on the company YouTube channel - that is nowhere near sufficient. You need to find an independent, published, reliable source that discusses this technology, and summarize what they say. Also, you should not include an inline hyperlink in article text. Wikignome Wintergreen talk 17:51, 24 December 2021 (UTC)


 * The issue is the citation to reliable sources. YouTube is not normally such a source (see WP:RSPYT). You could in principle use a granted patent as a source: but I doubt that AirSim will be granted as such (I could be wrong, I haven't checked!). Mike Turnbull (talk) 17:57, 24 December 2021 (UTC)


 * Welcome to the Teahouse! Per the BOLD, revert, discuss cycle, you can discuss this on the article's talk page - Talk: Artificial gravity - after you have found independent sources. Hope this helps, and happy editing! GoingBatty (talk) 17:58, 24 December 2021 (UTC)

Thanks all, this has been helpful. As suggested, I have moved the article to talk page and am looking for other sources. Any idea how to fix the gif? Xyzxyz321 (talk) 18:07, 24 December 2021 (UTC)


 * @Xyzxyz321, if you go to the file on commons, you'll see a note which says "Note: Due to technical limitations, thumbnails of high resolution GIF images such as this one will not be animated. The limit on Wikimedia Commons is width × height × number of frames ≤ 100 million." Also, it should probably be asked - do you have a conflict of interest with this company/technology? See and read WP:COI carefully. Wikignome Wintergreen talk 18:14, 24 December 2021 (UTC)


 * @Wikignome Wintergreen - Hi, thanks. Sorry, yes I am him. The inventor of this tech. I want to start a conversation about this tech. Is it ok? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Xyzxyz321 (talk • contribs) 18:26, 24 December 2021 (UTC)
 * Wikipedia should not be used a means of promotion - see WP:PROMOTION. GoingBatty (talk) 18:30, 24 December 2021 (UTC)
 * @Xyzxyz321 - well, that depends on what you mean by "start a conversation". If it means you want to add information about your tech to artificial gravity, then you need to gather sources which meet our standards - as outlined in the comments above - and propose your addition on the talk page, to be evaluated by editors without a COI. You also probably qualify as a paid editor by our standards, so you'd have to make the appropriate declaration on your user page - see Conflict of interest. Wikignome Wintergreen talk 18:37, 24 December 2021 (UTC)

@GoingBatty Nothing using it for self promotion. I think its a world changing idea and it should be of Wikipedia. Will have a read at all the resources and guidelines given. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Xyzxyz321 (talk • contribs) 18:35, 24 December 2021 (UTC)


 * @Xyzxyz321 Wikipedia's purpose is to summarise existing coverage in independent reliable sources. It can not be a medium to start or build new conversation. It only notes such conversations after they have been had elsewhere in sufficient depth to meet WP:N. Regards! Usedtobecool ☎️ 18:42, 24 December 2021 (UTC)
 * Or WP:V and WP:WEIGHT if it's to be added to existing articles. Usedtobecool ☎️ 18:44, 24 December 2021 (UTC)

@Usedtobecool unable to find any other place to start. Cannot find a good journal to publish. Is ideas? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Xyzxyz321 (talk • contribs) 18:46, 24 December 2021 (UTC)


 * @Xyzxyz321, if you can't get scientific journals, or reputable magazines or newspapers, to take notice of your product, unfortunately Wikipedia is not the place for it. Social media would be a better option. Wikignome Wintergreen talk 18:52, 24 December 2021 (UTC)

@aWikignome Wintergreen @Usedtobecool I dont know who and how to approach. Anyways, what do you guys think of the idea? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Xyzxyz321 (talk • contribs) 19:01, 24 December 2021 (UTC)


 * @Xyzxyz321, this is not a forum for discussing your idea or where to promote it. Do you have any further questions about editing Wikipedia? Wikignome Wintergreen talk 19:04, 24 December 2021 (UTC)

@Wikignome Wintergreen Sorry, I am good for now. Will approach if I have any more questions. Thanks — Preceding unsigned comment added by Xyzxyz321 (talk • contribs) 19:09, 24 December 2021 (UTC)

edited a page
I edited a page. May I know when it will be published? Saeid Micro (talk) 20:07, 24 December 2021 (UTC)
 * Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. If you are referring to the draft you created, Draft:Saeid Khater, it needs to be submitted for a review. I will shortly add the appropriate information to allow you to do so. Please be aware of the autobiography policy. 331dot (talk) 20:13, 24 December 2021 (UTC)
 * Hi @Saeid Micro and welcome to the Teahouse. Your draft has not been submitted for review - you can do so with the button which another editor has added. Is this draft about yourself? If so, you have a conflict of interest which you must declare - see WP:COI. Wikignome Wintergreen talk 20:16, 24 December 2021 (UTC)

Hello. The page title is very similar to your username, which makes it look like you're writing about yourself. Please declare a conflict of interest before submitting. You're welcome. Regards, XxxorBBroxxX (talk) 20:58, 24 December 2021 (UTC)

The Simpsons episodes
Will there ever be an episode of The Simpsons that doesn't have its own Wikipedia page? I think it's ridiculous, and I'm sure a lot of others may agree with me, that all 716-and-counting episodes of this series have their own separate articles. Some may even argue that they should've never made articles for every episode to begin with. After all, they don't have an article for every episode of SpongeBob SquarePants, for example, which is at least half as culturally significant. I really think at the very least they should stop at some point very soon, if they're not already going to go back and deleting the less noteworthy ones. TrevortniDesserpedx (talk) 20:59, 24 December 2021 (UTC)


 * Most of the articles I looked at of the Simpsons episodes look like they would not need to be deleted as they pass the WP:GNG. Most of them are also either Good Articles or Featured Articles. ― <b style="background:#000;color:#f07b3a;padding:1q;border-radius:5q;">Kaleeb18</b>Talk<sub style="position:relative;right:20q;margin-right:-15px;">Caleb 21:29, 24 December 2021 (UTC)
 * I've looked at more and it seems there are also some that rely purely on Primary sources. ― <b style="background:#000;color:#f07b3a;padding:1q;border-radius:5q;">Kaleeb18</b>Talk<sub style="position:relative;right:20q;margin-right:-15px;">Caleb 21:32, 24 December 2021 (UTC)
 * @Kaleeb18, that actually may not be a problem - per Manual of Style/Writing about fiction, plot summaries do not need inline citations, they can be based directly on the primary source. And since The Simpsons as a whole is a notable series, then each episode can have a plot summary if someone wants to write one, and they're split into individual articles to prevent the main article from getting too long. Anything on those pages beyond the plot summary should be appropriately sourced, though. Wikignome Wintergreen talk 22:01, 24 December 2021 (UTC)
 * Yeah I know that I was just saying that the only ones that might not pass WP:GNG are the very few that only have like 1 source and its the primary source. :) ― <b style="background:#000;color:#f07b3a;padding:1q;border-radius:5q;">Kaleeb18</b>Talk<sub style="position:relative;right:20q;margin-right:-15px;">Caleb 22:05, 24 December 2021 (UTC)
 * For those articles that only rely on primary sources, feel free to tag them for improvement (e.g. primary sources), or improve them yourself! Happy editing!  GoingBatty (talk) 22:15, 24 December 2021 (UTC)


 * No there probably won't be. I too think it's ridiculous. But if people are so keen to write about or read up on The Simpsons, this doesn't hinder you or me from writing about or reading up on Areopagitica, string theory, dramatic decomposition, or a ditty about a head of government. On some other hand, if an example of Simpsons/SpongeBobcruft violates Wikipedia policies, then you,, are free to nominate it for deletion. Just be sure not to do so in order to make a point. -- Hoary (talk) 23:03, 24 December 2021 (UTC)

Is it worth creating a 'Good Article' on a topic which possibly won't get much views?
Talking about Draft:Pollicitation in French civil law, doesn't have citations as of now, but it can easily get a good amount of source once I start working on it more. The point of my question is should I make such a long article even if it won't get much views? Excellenc1 (talk) 05:55, 23 December 2021 (UTC)
 * Hi improving an article is always a good thing, regardless of how many reads it gets. Improving an article might very well result in an increase in readership. However, imho viewing statistics are of little importance, editing Wikipedia is not a popularity contest. Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 09:12, 23 December 2021 (UTC)

But what is the use of creating such a long article if almost no one will view it. Why to spend time on something that won't affect me or anyone in any way? All the good articles are already made. Excellenc1 (talk) 09:30, 23 December 2021 (UTC)
 * Excellenc1, if you're saying that all the articles that could be good are already good, then either you're setting a very low bar for "good" or you're wrong. I'd say that Wikipedia is brimming with crap articles on worthwhile subjects (as well of course as crap articles on dubious subjects). Improve, or create, the articles that you want to improve or create. If there aren't any, then take a Festivus break. -- Hoary (talk) 09:41, 23 December 2021 (UTC)
 * @Excellenc1 I have never looked at the viewer statistics of any of the approximately 70 articles that I have created. I simply don't care if anyone ever reads them, my satisfaction comes from the article's existence and that I've done as good a job of it as I could, not its popularity. There's some good advice at WP:DGAF that I highly recommend. Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 10:16, 23 December 2021 (UTC)
 * I write and contribute to a lot of articles that receive few views. Sufficient reason for me is that I'm interested in the subject -- even if nobody else is. Hey, Emily Dickinson didn't have many readers while she was alive. Posthumous fame is a possibility. (That's a joke.) One of the few ego-enhancing aspects of writing for Wikipedia is that a google search often lists the Wikipedia article first. Another reason is to right wrongs. Speaking of which, right now I'm contemplating whether the Wikipedia article on Edgar Allen Poe (judged one of Wikipedia's best articles) accords enough respect and attention to his insight on the finite universe. I may get around to looking into that. Someday. Or not. Smallchief (talk) 11:23, 23 December 2021 (UTC)


 * First, the article is not yet rated at all. Second, the great majority of the content (once past the lead) is not referenced at all. Third, as to "All the good articles are already made." - rubbish! Fewer than one percent of English language articles are GAs, the ones that are not include, for example, highly viewed Vitamin D, which gets >1,000,000 views/year. France is not GA. Notre-Dame de Paris is not GA. David notMD (talk) 12:54, 23 December 2021 (UTC)
 * I am referring to notable topics, topics which have greater chance of being viewed and hence, proving to be helpful. Why waste time creating beautifully cited articles if no one's going to read them? Excellenc1  (talk) 07:10, 24 December 2021 (UTC)
 * Look at it this way. If you write an article on an obscure article, you may be the most read and influential author on that subject.  If you write an article about something everybody already knows about, you're just one of a thundering herd of bovines and you'll get trampled in the stampede.Smallchief (talk)
 * Your original question was about the value of raising obscure articles to GA. David notMD (talk) 08:18, 24 December 2021 (UTC)
 * I take pleasure in improving vital articles. These often have a considerable amount of page views, but there are still ones that are left often disregarded. You may wish to view the list of vital articles to see if any topics there interest you. –– FormalDude Emojione 1F427.svg talk 23:05, 24 December 2021 (UTC)

Making TV episodes into separate article
Is there a help page on how to make a separate article that lists all of a TV series' episodes, with links back to the original series article? I am gathering published sources (mostly newspaper articles) to improve The Campbells. I then want to provide titles and plot summaries for all episodes, but since there are 100 of them that will be a rather bulky section. I've tried to study other television series articles that have separate articles for the episodes, but I don't want to make a mess of things by just guessing how to make things work. I'd be grateful to anyone who can point me to a how-to guide. Karenthewriter (talk) 21:57, 24 December 2021 (UTC) Karenthewriter (talk) 21:57, 24 December 2021 (UTC)
 * While there doesn't seem to be a "how-to guide" at WikiProject Television, you could look at the "List of xxxxx episodes" articles at WikiProject Television/Recognized content, copy one into your sandbox, and rework it for The Campbells. Hope this helps, and happy editing!  GoingBatty (talk) 22:25, 24 December 2021 (UTC)
 * @GoingBatty Gulp. This "no-how-to-guide" seems overwhelming. Well, after Christmas I'll begin working on the rewriting-using-good-references part, then do the short summary part, (been there, done that), and then I'll take a deep breath and try to figure out how to turn the episode list article project into manageable steps. Thank you for your advice. Karenthewriter (talk) 00:14, 25 December 2021 (UTC)

Userboxes
Hello, I made my own userbox and Im wondering how to give it a "name" instead it being a code. like the rocket league userbox "name" is. Here is my userbox name. I would like it to be look like this or something. How do I do that? ― <b style="background:#000;color:#f07b3a;padding:1q;border-radius:5q;">Kaleeb18</b>Talk<sub style="position:relative;right:20q;margin-right:-15px;">Caleb 01:47, 25 December 2021 (UTC)
 * You could save your userbox as Template:User Forza. Hope this helps, and happy editing!  GoingBatty (talk) 01:53, 25 December 2021 (UTC)
 * Just what I was looking for, thanks again ― <b style="background:#000;color:#f07b3a;padding:1q;border-radius:5q;">Kaleeb18</b>Talk<sub style="position:relative;right:20q;margin-right:-15px;">Caleb 01:57, 25 December 2021 (UTC)

Is there any way to get undo links on the Recent Changes page?
When I revert vandalism starting from the Recent Changes page, it takes six actions:
 * 1) Right-click the "diff" link.
 * 2) Click "Open in new tab".
 * 3) Click the new tab.
 * 4) Click "Undo".
 * 5) Scroll down.
 * 6) Click "Save changes".

Is there any way to get an undo link directly on the Recent Changes page? It would make life a lot easier for me by eliminating a few steps. --67.183.136.85 (talk) 23:34, 24 December 2021 (UTC)
 * Hi there! If you can explain how you determine which edits need reverting without doing steps 1-3, then maybe you could ask this question on Wikipedia talk:Recent changes patrol.  You can simplify steps #4-6 by using some of the tools at Recent changes patrol, such as Twinkle.  Hope this helps, and happy editing!  GoingBatty (talk) 23:45, 24 December 2021 (UTC)
 * Yes, is right. Twinkle is a big help when reverting vandalism, but you take full responsibility for any action you perform using Twinkle. You must understand Wikipedia policies and use this tool within these policies, or risk being blocked from editing. Make sure you understand what Twinkle is before you start using it. Happy editing. ― <b style="background:#000;color:#f07b3a;padding:1q;border-radius:5q;">Kaleeb18</b>Talk<sub style="position:relative;right:20q;margin-right:-15px;">Caleb 00:41, 25 December 2021 (UTC)
 * Users with an account in good standing may request rollback rights, which adds a [Rollback] link, amongst other places, the recent changes list. Since this is a powerfull tool, it has to be used with caution. More on this feature at Rollback. Victor Schmidt (talk) 07:32, 25 December 2021 (UTC)

need backlink from wikipedia
hye there actually need a backlink from wikipedia all article content will be given please tell us the procedure Priyanshuyt41 (talk) 07:22, 25 December 2021 (UTC)


 * @Priyanshuyt41 By the way, are you looking for this? ― <b style="background:linear-gradient(45deg,#f05,#b49);border:2px solid #000;padding:2px;color:#ef4;">Itcouldbepossible</b>Talk 08:00, 25 December 2021 (UTC)


 * Comment by Naleksuh - This user contacted multiple people directly off-wiki and asked for Wikipedia to cite their website. They were explained the policies about citing and reliable sources and that Wikipedia linking to their website will not offer an SEO benefit, nor can Wikipedia do so without credibility established. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Naleksuh (talk • contribs)