Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Lists/Archive 16

Category:Lists of heads of state
This topic is so big that I don't quite know where to start. I'm not even sure if this WikiProject's talk page is the best place to put it (if anyone knows a better place, please say so where I should bring this up). Essentially, I see a whole lot of original research going on in most of the articles in this category. The first way in which this happens is using the vague terms "leaders" or "rulers" in their titles: Lists of "leaders"/"rulers" of country X. These names are so vague that they can include anyone from a local prince to a local bishop, and in the case of "leaders" they can include anyone ranging from the head of state, the government leader (prime minister / premier), the chairperson of parliament, to the presiding judge of the supreme/constitutional court, to the commander of the armed forces.

A more important problem usually takes the form that assumes that former state X is the/a "predecessor" of current country Y, therefore all heads of state of former state X may be retroactively listed as heads of state of current country Y, even if the name "Y" or the title "emperor/king/prince/duke/count/president/etc. of Y" didn't exist yet. This kind of framing is usually the result of national or nationalistic historiography, by which writers claim the existence of former states (even those with a different name, territory, form of government etc.) as predecessors of their own current country in order to give it 'a long and rich history', even though doing so is arguably an invented tradition.

To take my own country of birth and residence as an example: the List of rulers of the Netherlands goes all the way back to "Leaders of Frisii, Belgae, Canninefates and Batavi (before 400)" (a rather random grouping of 4 ancient tribes living in the Low Countries in Roman times). What constitutes a "leader" isn't defined. For some reason all other tribes / groups are then forgotten and we go on to focus solely on until finally we get the first monarchy that can reasonably be identified with "the Netherlands" in 1806 (though formally still "Kingdom of Holland" until 1813).
 * the Kings of Frisia (but not the Franks or Saxons for some reason);
 * the Counts of Frisia (but not the counts of Wassenberg/Guelders, the (prince-)bishops of Utrecht, etc. for some reason);
 * the Counts of Holland and West-Frisia (but not the counts/dukes of Guelders-Zutphen, the (prince-)bishops of Utrecht, the dukes of Brabant, etc. for some reason);
 * the Counts of Burgundian and Habsburg Netherlands (but not the dukes of Guelders-Zutphen, the prince-bishops of Utrecht, the dukes of Jülich, the lords of Ravenstein etc. for some reason);
 * the Stadtholders during the Dutch Republic (and Grand Pensionaries of Holland, but not those of the other 6 provinces for some reason); both positions were originally non-hereditary and so "ruler" is misleading;
 * 'Rulers during the French period (1795–1813)' (because if you're not a hereditary monarch but an appointed president in a republic, you're also apparently a "ruler"; and entire governmental bodies also count as "rulers"),

You can frame it like that, but it's very arbitrary and unscholarly to do so, especially without sources. This is typical of the classic "Hollandocentric" nationalistic historiography of the Netherlands. You start with the Frisii/Batavi, you follow the Frisians in Holland, Holland dominates the Dutch Republic and all subsequent states called "the Netherlands", therefore we can forget about all the other tribes and provinces, and the counts of Holland are retroactively framed as "rulers of the Netherlands". Except that it is completely arbitrary pseudohistoric bullshit. I could equally claim, for example (as some writers have done), that actually Utrecht is and has always been the political centre of the Netherlands as the seat of the archdiocese of Utrecht. And so the prince-bishop of Utrecht held almost all spiritual power and to a large degree temporal power in "the Netherlands" throughout the Middle Ages; it was a much more important medieval city than swampy Holland. From the Catholic Church / Vatican / Papal point of view, that makes sense; but it is just as arbitrary. And as I used to read about a lot when I studied history in Nijmegen, that city claimed to be the true historical political cultural centre of the Netherlands, as it was the oldest city of the country, the home of the Batavi (the earliest known somewhat literate native tribe), the only city to achieve the status of free imperial city, until 1514 the capital of the Duchy of Guelders (which was the last "independent Dutch state" in the Netherlands before all were subdued by the Habsburgs in 1543, and as a duchy held the highest provincial rank within the Dutch Republic, because Holland was 'merely' a county), and so on. Does that make the duke of Guelders or the mayor of Nijmegen a "ruler of the Netherlands"? Hell no! Proud as I am of Nijmegen and Guelders, I don't want them on this list, and I don't want the ancient tribes, Frisia, Holland, Burgundy, Habsburg, the Dutch Republic and the Batavian Republic on the list either. It should begin no sooner than 1806.

A pragmatic reason not to include heads of state of so-called "predecessor states" is simply size (WP:TOOLONG) and the fact that they usually already have existing separate articles (WP:REDUNDANTFORK). There is already a Count of Holland page, there is no need to duplicate its contents again here.

This is just one elaborate example to show how many of these Lists of heads of state / rulers / leaders have really lost their ways into the territory of pseudohistoric nationalistic original research. A good example we should follow instead is List of heads of state of Greece, which starts with the First Hellenic Republic in 1822. We're not going all the way back to the Byzantines, Romans, Macedonians, ancient Greek diadochi and poleis etc.; there is a correct understanding that "Greece" as a state is a modern phenomenon, and so there were no "heads of state of Greece" before 1822.

To me this may all make complete sense. But if I were to WP:BOLDly remove all this information in dozens of articles, I am probably gonna piss a lot of people off, and I don't want to do that. I'd much rather reach a broad consensus here first about which items to include and exclude from lists of heads of state, and whether "leader" and "ruler" are just too vague or misleading as identifiers in a list title, especially if the name of the country in question was never attached to a dynastic title. Again, I'm not sure if this talk page is the place to do this discussion, if there is a better place I'll gladly move it over there. Cheers, Nederlandse Leeuw (talk) 01:29, 4 February 2023 (UTC)


 * PS: At Category talk:Heads of state, two Wikipedians made much the same points 19 years ago. ;) Nederlandse Leeuw (talk) 10:41, 4 February 2023 (UTC)
 * PPS: After some further reading and thinking, I came to the conclusion to nominate the Category:Rulers as a whole for deletion: Categories for discussion/Log/2023 February 4. I think this will be an important step towards solving many of the issues I have outlined here. Cheers, Nederlandse Leeuw (talk) 16:16, 4 February 2023 (UTC)
 * I've renamed it Lists of rulers in the Low Countries for now, and completely rewritten it as a list of lists just like the nl:Lijsten van heersers in de Lage Landen. Cheers, Nederlandse Leeuw (talk) 21:03, 26 February 2023 (UTC)

List articles - Orphans
Hi - there are hundreds of List of... articles here that are Orphans, and need wikilinks from other articles. See: Orphan article for help. There are many "List of" topics, and easy to de-orphan. JoeNMLC (talk) 20:28, 6 March 2023 (UTC)

Further opinions on article merger would be appreciated
Currently, there is a proposed merger of Libraries and librarians in fiction and Librarians in popular culture to a new page entitled Libraries and librarians in culture. But, it has been inactive since July 2022, so it would be great to get some more eyes on it, so there can a clearer consensus before moving forward. Thanks! Historyday01 (talk) 18:07, 8 March 2023 (UTC)

Singing bassists article
I think Tommy Shaw should be added as a co-lead vocal to Styx. Kip Winger should be added as primary lead vocal for his band Winger. 108.66.54.207 (talk) 00:10, 11 March 2023 (UTC)

Recently proposed mergers
In light of some recent drive-by editing by a certain user, I decided to propose some mergers of various pages about LGBTQ animated characters:


 * Animated series with LGBT characters: 1990s into History of LGBT characters in animation: 1990s, discussion here


 * Animated series with LGBT characters: 2000s into History of LGBT characters in animation: 2000s, discussion here


 * Animated series with LGBT characters: 2010s into History of LGBT characters in animation: 2010s, discussion here

Also, if you haven't already, I'd encourage you to participate in this discussion about the proposed merger of Animated series with LGBT characters: 2020s and List of animated series with LGBT characters: 2020–present, which has been stale since Dec. 2022.

Thanks! Historyday01 (talk) 17:45, 11 March 2023 (UTC)

List of United States flash flood emergencies has been nominated for deletion
List of United States flash flood emergencies, which falls under your WikiProject, has been nominated for deletion. You can participate in the deletion discussion here. Elijahandskip (talk) 17:01, 14 March 2023 (UTC)

Discussion at Talk:Lists of LGBT figures in fiction and myth
You are invited to join the discussion at Talk:Lists of LGBT figures in fiction and myth, asking how to expand the "Lists of LGBT figures in fiction and myth" page so as to more fully encompass topics about LGBT characters and media within the scope of "fiction and myth", which is within the scope of this WikiProject. Thanks! Historyday01 (talk) 17:22, 19 March 2023 (UTC)

Hoax-related deletion request
I have a pending hoax-related deletion request over at Wikipedia talk:List of hoaxes on Wikipedia if anybody is interested in hearing me out. 100.7.44.80 (talk) 15:37, 27 March 2023 (UTC)

Head of the Donetsk People's Republic has been nominated for deletion
I'm not sure if this page falls under the purview of this WikiProject, but as it's a list I'll put this here. The page has been nominated for deletion for not meeting WP:GNG. The deletion discussion is here. Khronicle I (talk) 21:55, 4 April 2023 (UTC)

Criteria for inclusion at List of proxy wars
Hi there, I've started a discussion at this article's talk as I'm concerned about the lack of sourcing for the "proxy" label, potentially leading to issues of original research or POV. Please do contribute here: Talk:List_of_proxy_wars — Czello 12:31, 9 April 2023 (UTC) ==Discussion at Talk:List of Jewish states and dynasties § Did attempts to change POV in this list go too far & make it more biased?== You are invited to join the discussion at Talk:List of Jewish states and dynasties § Did attempts to change POV in this list go too far & make it more biased?. Peaceray (talk) 15:32, 11 April 2023 (UTC)

List of last notable WWII veterans.
Mel Brooks and Dick Van Dyke are not listed despite the fact they served in World War II. They are one of the last notable WWII veterans in the film industry. Jamiej2023 (talk) 08:18, 12 April 2023 (UTC)

Project-independent quality assessments
Quality assessments by Wikipedia editors rate articles in terms of completeness, organization, prose quality, sourcing, etc. Most wikiprojects follow the general guidelines at Content assessment, but some have specialized assessment guidelines. A recent Village pump proposal was approved and has been implemented to add a class parameter to WikiProject banner shell, which can display a general quality assessment for an article, and to let project banner templates "inherit" this assessment.

No action is required if your wikiproject follows the standard assessment approach. Over time, quality assessments will be migrated up to WikiProject banner shell, and your project banner will automatically "inherit" any changes to the general assessments for the purpose of assigning categories.

However, if your project has decided to "opt out" and follow a non-standard quality assessment approach, all you have to do is modify your wikiproject banner template to pass WPBannerMeta a new custom parameter. If this is done, changes to the general quality assessment will be ignored, and your project-level assessment will be displayed and used to create categories, as at present. Aymatth2 (talk) 13:31, 12 April 2023 (UTC)

Opening sentence of lists
I feel like I once read something in the MOS that said not to begin a list article with the opening sentence: "This is a list of X". And yet, there are so many that do this, and now I can't find where I read that. Personally I don't like it, and I think it is similar to starting a regular article with, "This is an article about X". Can someone point me to wherever I read this? Or is it not there anymore? Should it be? Thanks! Larataguera (talk) 18:57, 6 March 2023 (UTC)
 * Looks like you're thinking of this bullet in MOS:LEADSENTENCE: if the page is a list, do introduce the list as "This is a list of X" or "This list of Xs...". A clearer and more informative introduction to the list is better than verbatim repetition of the title. A good example of this is the List of Benet Academy alumni. Colin M (talk) 22:29, 7 March 2023 (UTC)
 * Where this gets tricky is for lists where the title is not an adequate description of the topic. Per SALLEAD a direct statement of the criteria for inclusion is essential in the lead, especially when the title is unclear on that.  It's probably best practice to put statements involving "this list" somewhere other than the first sentence.  I note that the discussion of the need for clarification with titles that don't give the full story at LISTNAME includes as a good example List of Finns which has a one sentence lead, "This is a list of..."  I think that clarity should take precedence over a fussy avoidance of self reference, and I think the guidance at SRTA is quite a bit more permissive than some might expect.
 * The various standards might need some work to resolve discrepancies, but I one way to square the circle is to say that clarity about the scope is essential, and that if it's necessary to use "this list" language for that, it should, if possible, go somewhere other than the first sentence. Ccrrccrr (talk) 03:16, 18 April 2023 (UTC)

Minimum number of items to make a list?
Is there a minimum number of items to make a list? It would seem common sense that 1 item does not make a "list" (which I invoked to delete a 1-item list), but what is the minimum? Is there a rule about this? Because I can't find any. Cheers, Nederlandse Leeuw (talk) 22:56, 23 April 2023 (UTC)

Bolded column in lists?
There is a list within the non-list article Women in Guam History, which uses bold font for the first column of the table. I have been told by that this is a requirement for Accessibility for screen readers, although it seems to me to go against MOS:BOLD. It's not easy to work out the relationships between MOS:BOLD, MOS:TABLES, MOS:DTAB and Manual of Style/Accessibility/Data tables tutorial. To try to look at best practice I had a look at the 4 list articles which this project lists as FLs of Top importance: two are lists of individuals and have bolding in the second column of their main table (the first being images); one has no table; and The_World's_25_Most_Endangered_Primates has no bolding. Looking at the most recent High-importance FLs, List of governors of California has a bolded 2nd column, while List of World Heritage Sites in Greece, List of career achievements by Yuzuru Hanyu and Territorial evolution of the United States have tables with no bolding. What is the current policy or guidance on this? Pam D  14:26, 24 April 2023 (UTC)


 * The formatting at question is regarding Tables. If a list is not in a table, say a bulleted list, this does not apply.  What you call "bolding", is actually !scope="row" and ! scope="col" in the table format. It's there to accommodate screen readers for the visually impaired. One way or another, WP:WIAFL and Help:Table are the standards, as far as formatting tabled lists. It really doesn't matter if it's a stand-alone table list, or an imbeded table as part of an article. A table format is a table. I wasn't aware of that until I went through various reviews a few times. It's not required unless you end up at one of the reviews, but why not use the standard from the get-go. — Maile  (talk) 17:02, 24 April 2023 (UTC)
 * Also, reading your posting above, I think one of the things that has been confusing you is which column or row this is placed, and other colored things. The Scope rows and columns are in gray.  The other columns, as far as I can tell from FLC, vary from wherever the editor deems necessary. Other than the gray color, some lists additionally gave additional columns and places where they use non-gray colors. Those have nothing to do with the !scope="row" and !scope="col".  As near as I've been able to figure out at FLC, editors are adding those for making the table more attractive.  — Maile  (talk) 17:20, 24 April 2023 (UTC)

History in memoriam
Hi all. I just stopped by to share a bit of history of this Wikiproject, remembering its founder, User:Ed. Reportedly he was a 14 year old, passionate with Wikipedia. He had cancer in 2007, I don't know if he still lives. But his memory lives on. Regards, Thinker78  (talk) 05:50, 3 May 2023 (UTC)

Input request
Comments appreciated at Talk:List of plays adapted into feature films 4meter4 (talk) 19:36, 5 May 2023 (UTC)

WikiProject list discussion
There is a discussion at the WP:FRAT talk page about list creation/inclusion which could use outside input. Please join in the conversation here. Primefac (talk) 10:45, 9 May 2023 (UTC)

Stuck on sorting
What obvious trick am I missing at List of UK Open Billiards Championship winners? When reverse-sorting by date, the 1988 and 1997 dates, which have a month as well as a year, unlike other entries, aren't properly ordered. Thanks! Regards, BennyOnTheLoose (talk) 22:48, 9 May 2023 (UTC)


 * It looks like it might be a known issue. See here. I tried to fix it, but this apparently goes beyond my current capabilities. DonIago (talk) 13:44, 10 May 2023 (UTC)

Deprecated language in citations in UK honours lists
There is a discussion at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Orders, Decorations, and Medals/Archive 7 about whether citations should be updated to today's language, eg changing the 1980 "For service to the disabled." to "For service to disabled people." Members of this Wikiproject may have a view: please comment there. Pam D  17:10, 10 May 2023 (UTC)

List of Survivor (American TV series) winners nominated for deletion
I nominated List of Survivor (American TV series) winners for deletion. Your input there is welcome. George Ho (talk) 23:48, 10 May 2023 (UTC)

List of Drag Race lip syncs
AfD participation welcome:


 * Articles for deletion/List of Drag Race lip syncs

--- Another Believer ( Talk ) 14:43, 23 May 2023 (UTC)

AfD: List of dirt track ovals in the United States (x 5)
Deletion discussion going on at Articles for deletion/List of dirt track ovals in the United States. Includes the 4 additional associated lists for UK, South Africa, Canada and Australia. Grorp (talk) 22:40, 20 June 2023 (UTC)

List of official languages and List of official languages by country and territory
This is a preliminary question, because I don't know what kind of solution to propose, and how to do it. Unfortunately as often happens with merger and split proposals, nobody commented, so the issues remained. I could just nominate it for deletion to make sure people will see it, comment on it and a decision will be taken, but WP:DINC says I shouldn't.
 * The two lists above should be merged because they cover exactly the same topic. Therefore, they are WP:REDUNDANTFORKs.
 * But List of official languages is already WP:TOOBIG and should be split. I myself was thinking about splitting by continent:
 * List of official languages in Africa
 * List of official languages in Asia
 * List of official languages in Europe etc.
 * Two years ago someone also proposed to split the other: Talk:List of official languages by country and territory She proposed:
 * List of official languages by country and territory ("Official language" and "National language" columns)
 * List of regional official languages by country and territory ("Regional languages")
 * List of recognized minority languages by country and territory ("Minority languages"), and
 * just get rid of the "widely-spoken" column, which shouldn't be in this article anyways.

As this WikiProject Lists, you are the lists experts. What should I do in this case? And which venue should I choose where people will actually comment on it and eventually a solution will be found? I'd appreciate your tips and advice! Cheers, Nederlandse Leeuw (talk) 12:40, 27 May 2023 (UTC)

The two main lists for a merger are:
 * (#1) List of official languages
 * (#2) List of official languages by country and territory

Some extra lists or list sections to take into consideration for a mass merger: Nederlandse Leeuw (talk) 23:23, 29 May 2023 (UTC)
 * (#3) Official language
 * (#4) List of multilingual countries and regions
 * (#5) Official multilingualism
 * (#6) List of largest languages without official status (Deleted in AfD: Articles for deletion/List of largest languages without official status)
 * (#7) List of languages by the number of countries in which they are recognized as an official language (Merged to List of official languages by country and territory per AfD: Articles for deletion/List of languages by the number of countries in which they are recognized as an official language)
 * (#8) National language (a lot of overlap between "national" and "official" languages)
 * (#9) Regional language

More articles that usually have a different subject than 'official languages', but in fact make lots of (usually WP:UNSOURCED) claims about what the 'official language' of this or that country or territory is: Nederlandse Leeuw (talk) 13:57, 2 June 2023 (UTC)
 * (#10) List of countries by spoken languages – title is 'spoken languages', but the word 'official' shows up 457 times in this article. (Deleted in AfD: Articles for deletion/List of countries by spoken languages (2nd nomination))
 * (#11) List of countries and dependencies and their capitals in native languages – the subject is endonyms and exonyms, but it has an entire column for Official or native language(s) (alphabet/script). 'native' and 'official' are regularly mixed up as if they mean the same.
 * (#12) Languages in censuses – the subject is demographics, but it mentions the word 'official' 94 times.
 * (#13) Languages of the European Union – the table under Languages of the European Union is perfectly fine, but the rest of the article is mostly WP:UNSOURCED and unrelated stuff (essentially a WP:COATRACK).
 * (#14) Languages of Europe – mostly WP:UNSOURCED.
 * (#15) Languages of Africa – mostly WP:UNSOURCED.
 * (#16) Languages of the African Union – mentions the word 'official' 60 times, but has only 3 inline citations, so mostly WP:UNSOURCED. (currently in AfD: Articles for deletion/Languages of the African Union). Dronebogus identified it as a WP:COATRACK. Deleted; turned into a redirect to African Union.
 * (#17) Languages of Asia – entirely WP:UNSOURCED.
 * (#18) Languages of South America – doesn't really indicate which languages are official or not official; almost all claims about language X being official are WP:UNSOURCED.
 * (#19) Languages of South Asia – mostly about demographics and linguistics, but all 4 claims about language X being official are WP:UNSOURCED.
 * (#20) Central America – small but entirely WP:UNSOURCED subsection.
 * (#21) Indigenous languages of the Americas – about half the claims of a particular indigenous language being 'official(ly recognised) are sourced, the other half is WP:UNSOURCED.
 * PS: On a related note, Articles for deletion/List of languages by writing system deleted (#22) List of languages by writing system on 7 June 2023 . Nederlandse Leeuw (talk) 23:45, 14 June 2023 (UTC)
 * @Austronesier @Walt Yoder Could you please give me advice? Both of you have expressed an interest in merging some of these lists. What should we do with this whole situation? Nobody responded to Linshee's November 2021 proposal, nobody is responding here, and nobody is responding at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Languages either. I don't know where to start, or how to get people's attention without nominating certain articles for deletion, but WP:Deletion is not cleanup. The only reason why I know you might be interested in solving this issue is because you both responded at the AfDs of Articles for deletion/List of languages by the number of countries in which they are recognized as an official language and Articles for deletion/List of largest languages without official status. I don't want to have to nominate this all for deletion, and upset a lot of people, when we could look at more constructive ways of better organising all this overlapping (but poorly-sourced and original research-ridden) material. If you've got any tips, please say so. Cheers, Nederlandse Leeuw (talk) 08:39, 3 June 2023 (UTC)
 * At a quick glance, Languages of the African Union is the only one of those articles I would definitely support deleting (excluding the ones already at AFD). There are a few others which I am unsure about, but are possibly salvageable -- List of multilingual countries and regions in particular is screaming for a TNT delete.  As far as adding sources - I presume the various country articles do have references for the official languages of that country that could be added to the lists. Walt Yoder (talk) 19:35, 3 June 2023 (UTC)
 * @Walt Yoder I'm not necessarily looking to delete them, I'm asking advice on how to merge 22 overlapping lists/sections about roughly the same subject. Nederlandse Leeuw (talk) 21:44, 3 June 2023 (UTC)
 * But I've nominated Articles for deletion/Languages of the African Union at your suggestion as a first step. Nederlandse Leeuw (talk) 21:48, 3 June 2023 (UTC)
 * Languages of the African Union has been Deleted; turned into a redirect to African Union.
 * Hi, you also expressed an interest in merging some of these lists. What do you think we should do with this overall situation? Nederlandse Leeuw (talk) 14:38, 9 June 2023 (UTC)
 * Hi, for you the same question? Nederlandse Leeuw (talk) 15:28, 12 June 2023 (UTC)
 * Hi, for you the same question? Nederlandse Leeuw (talk) 07:03, 18 June 2023 (UTC)


 * (#23?) Medium of instruction – unintentionally, I appear to have run into yet another official languages list. Not sure if this should be included in our considerations, but the article is largely a list, large parts of it are WP:UNSOURCED/WP:SYNTHed, and it mentions the word 'official' 11 times – including in the second and third sentence: [A medium of instruction] may or may not be the official language of the country or territory. If the first language of students is different from the official language, it may be used as the medium of instruction for part or all of schooling. This implies lots of things, such as that whenever the first language of students is different from the official language, this first language is therefore not 'official' in any way, but usually these are legally recognised/protected minority/regional languages. This once again highlights the issue of whether legally recognised/protected minority/regional languages should be counted as 'official' or not. So I guess we should take this 23rd list on board. Although this list definitely should remain its own stand-alone article, it may be taken into consideration to establish WP:LISTCRITERIA, and what counts as an "official language" or not. Nederlandse Leeuw (talk) 07:55, 19 June 2023 (UTC)

Possible RfC
I'm beginning to think I should make this an RfC, because nobody bothers to comment on this, or at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Languages, or at Linshe's talk page proposal of 2019. No matter how many people I tag, ping, or point here, I get almost zero response. People only comment on AfDs, but WP:Deletion is not cleanup. I think short of a mass nomination of all remaining "official languages" lists for deletion, an RfC is my only option to establish a centralised discussion to address the overall structural problems of highly duplicative but mostly WP:UNSOURCED "official languages" lists. Otherwise people will just not respond. Nederlandse Leeuw (talk) 07:13, 18 June 2023 (UTC)
 * Lots of people at AfDs suggest a merger of list Foo into list Bar, but fail to see the far larger problem that we've still got about 20 lists with essentially the same scope. I know no other option than an RfC now. Nederlandse Leeuw (talk) 07:16, 18 June 2023 (UTC)
 * 4 out of the 22 lists have now been deleted because I raised all these issues in them. I don't think it's controversial to say anymore that I may be on to something here. It's just a bit disappointing to see nobody else interested in the bigger picture, but only in the AfDs. WP:Deletion is not cleanup, but short of an RfC, I see no other option. Merge proposals require specific targets, have no deadlines and can easily result in no consensus; for the remaining 18 lists it is not doable to go for a merge proposal when I don't even know what the best result is gonna look like. Nederlandse Leeuw (talk) 23:23, 18 June 2023 (UTC)
 * At Wikipedia talk:Requests for comment, I've asked advice for setting up an RfC to resolve all these issues through a centralised discussion. As I said there, I don't think they [the remaining 18 official languages lists] should all be deleted or merged, but I also don't have all the answers to what we should be doing instead.
 * I've also just numbered the 22 lists to make identification and sorting easier. Lists #6, #10, #16 and #22 have so far been deleted after I nominated them at AfD, so 18 lists remain. List #7 is still in AfD. Cheers, Nederlandse Leeuw (talk) 07:33, 19 June 2023 (UTC)
 * List #7 was Merged. 17 lists remain. There has been some progress at the RfC preparation, but it's currently quiet. More input would be appreciated. Nederlandse Leeuw (talk) 19:50, 27 June 2023 (UTC)

AfD: List of Criterion Collection releases
Deletion discussion going on at Articles for deletion/List of Criterion Collection releases (2nd nomination). Might be of interest to this WikiProject editors. Jovian Eclipse 17:10, 4 June 2023 (UTC)


 * Apparently this noteworthy and useful reference was summarily deleted recently. As an obvious oversight, it should be restored for notability and usefulness reasons. ntnon (talk) 19:39, 11 July 2023 (UTC)
 * Deletion review is over thataway. I recommend reviewing the arguments raised in the AfD first. DonIago (talk) 19:52, 11 July 2023 (UTC)

Discussion at Talk:List of Lockheed C-130 Hercules operators § Flag icons in section headings
You are invited to join the discussion at Talk:List of Lockheed C-130 Hercules operators § Flag icons in section headings. -- Marchjuly (talk) 21:46, 13 July 2023 (UTC)

List of rulers of Provence has an RFC
List of rulers of Provence has an RFC for possible consensus. A discussion is taking place. If you would like to participate in the discussion, you are invited to add your comments on the |discussion page. Thank you. –LaundryPizza03 ( d c̄ ) 19:19, 23 July 2023 (UTC)

AfD: List of dive bars
AfD: List of dive bars --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 15:22, 8 August 2023 (UTC)

Discussion at My Little Pony: Friendship Is Magic discography
You are invited to join the discussion at Talk:My Little Pony: Friendship Is Magic discography, which is within the scope of this WikiProject. &#x0020;The discussion encompasses both the My Little Pony: Friendship Is Magic discography and My Little Pony: Equestria Girls discography articles. JSH-alive/talk/cont/mail 14:42, 23 August 2023 (UTC)

Feedback request on List of fictional non-binary characters
Your feedback on a discussion, about whether 19 characters in animation, comics/manga, live-action television, video games, webcomics, and other mediums should be included on the list of fictional non-binary characters, would be appreciated at Talk:List of fictional non-binary characters. Thanks! Historyday01 (talk) 13:22, 19 September 2023 (UTC)

Issue with project banner
The project banner doesn't inherit the class atribute from the banner shell when placed within one. I think this should be fixed. – Editør (talk) 17:04, 10 October 2023 (UTC)

Problems with List of Wainwrights
This large list compiled from an external database by a now-inactive editor needs attention. See Wikipedia talk:WikiProject_Lancashire and Cumbria if you are interested. Thanks in advance for any help! Pam D  21:36, 12 October 2023 (UTC)

Table vs. bulleted list
Recently, I have been in a discussion about when to use a table vs. a bulleted list for Lists of notable alumni. In WP Fraternities and Sororities, we have a preference for tables for both chapters and alumni lists because of the sorting feature. Apparently, WP:UNI has not adopted this preference, although all of the FL university alumni articles are in table format. Discussion issues include that some lists are too short for a table and/or that not all of the cells for class year and major have content and, therefore, the table's sorting featue has limited benefit. And, there also seems to be an issue of personal preference. Has anyone ever considered a guideline for how long a list should be for a table of more specifics on when to use a table vs. a bulleted list?. MOS is not very helpful in the regard; in fact, it ischallenging to change from one style to the other because of current wording and guidelines. Rublamb (talk) 23:39, 12 October 2023 (UTC)

Hi! I've got an idea, but it might turn into a big project, and I'm a newbie
Talk:Plant breeding#Should we have a separate article for "List of notable plant breeders" --?

In reference to the "List of notable plant breeders" section of the "Plant Breeding" article, this is a cool section. It's got great encyclopedic merit, and I'm happy that it's here in this article. I got here by meandering through mainspace links, from Ed Currie's article, and thought "Wow, what a coincidence! I should add Ed Currie, notable plant breeder, to this list of notable plant breeders. Easy good edit."

... And now I've opened a can of worms. See, I'm certain that this subsection of Plant Breeding which lists a handful of notable plant breeders, is a good and encyclopedic subsection. But the list itself could prooooobably get much bigger, if I actually went and filled it up with plant breeders who already have wikipedia articles. But then we'd run into the whole thing of, like, should this be a subsection of plant breeding or a whole separate list? Anyhow, I see this turning into a medium-sized task, and I figured I'd ask for community consensus before haring off on some deranged meta-project.

Should I;


 * expand this subsection until it's big enough to merit its own list-type article
 * Not do that, but still do something else
 * Leave the poor botanists alone

I have no real experience with article creation, and I haven't gone through the AfC process for my first article yet, so I'd love some help with this idea, if it has any merit.

Atomic putty? Rien! 13:45, 19 October 2023 (UTC)


 * Update: wait, isn't there already a List of botanists? Ach, I'm getting a headache..  Atomic putty? Rien!  13:50, 19 October 2023 (UTC)
 * I have added Ed Currie to this list as well. I feel like a child wandering around in a big, dusty library.  Atomic putty? Rien!  14:07, 19 October 2023 (UTC)
 * If you are looking for a project, the list of botanists is rather dull and in need of TLC. Ideally, a Wikipedia article isn't just a list of names. But something that informs the reader. If you want a fun project, you can make the list of Botanists look more like the List of people from Park Ridge, Illinois. I've spent a lot of time working on lists of notable people and this one is some of my better work. D kriegls  ( talk to me! ) 01:35, 21 October 2023 (UTC)

Requested move at Talk:List of urban-type settlements in Ukraine
There is a requested move discussion at Talk:List of urban-type settlements in Ukraine that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. Polyamorph (talk) 07:37, 4 November 2023 (UTC)

List of minor planets: 624001–625000 nominated for deletion
@ Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of minor planets: 624001%E2%80%93625000, the scope of which affects many of these list pages. ~ Tom.Reding (talk ⋅dgaf) 11:01, 20 November 2023 (UTC)

& @ Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Meanings of minor planet names: 623001–624000. ~ Tom.Reding (talk ⋅dgaf) 23:51, 21 November 2023 (UTC)

Nomination for deletion of Template:Double soft redirect
Template:Double soft redirect has been nominated for deletion. You are invited to comment on the discussion at the entry on the Templates for discussion page. -- 65.92.247.90 (talk) 04:53, 15 December 2023 (UTC)

Featured list removal nomination
I have nominated List of colonial governors of New Jersey for featured list removal. Please join the discussion on whether this article meets the featured list criteria. Articles are typically reviewed for two weeks; editors may declare to "Keep" or "Delist" the article's featured status. The instructions for the review process are here. Hog Farm Talk 19:16, 26 December 2023 (UTC)

Second-round RfC on titles of TV season articles
Please see Wikipedia talk:Naming conventions (television). — SMcCandlish ☏ ¢ 😼  21:54, 27 December 2023 (UTC)

List_of_multiple_discoveries, Bold_format
Editorial input is sought at Talk:List_of_multiple_discoveries regarding the use of bold format in the article. Mitch Ames (talk) 00:33, 1 January 2024 (UTC)

RFC involving list articles similar to disambiguation pages
Please see Wikipedia talk:Content assessment. older ≠ wiser 16:34, 3 January 2024 (UTC)

Requested move at Talk:List of EastEnders characters (1985)
There is a requested move discussion at Talk:List of EastEnders characters (1985) that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. Vanderwaalforces (talk) 21:37, 5 January 2024 (UTC)

Requested move at Talk:List of synagogue shootings
There is a requested move discussion at Talk:List of synagogue shootings that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. Vanderwaalforces (talk) 11:48, 8 January 2024 (UTC)

Should Template:Dynamic list be used in sections that also have Template:Main?
I recently noticed this section, which lists alumni of a college on the college's page and also links out to a list article with a more comprehensive list. The section (as well as the list article, of course) uses Dynamic list in addition to Main. This isn't a situation that's been discussed before, to my knowledge, so I'd like to form some consensus about best practice (which we can then add to Dynamic list's documentation).

Personally, I'm leaning toward the view that we should not include Dynamic list in such sections. My reasoning:
 * The existence of a separate main article already implies to the reader that the list in the section is incomplete, making the dynamic list notice somewhat redundant.
 * The notice will still be present at the list article, so readers invested in the topic (who will likely click through) will still have a chance to see it.
 * Such sections already have the Main hatnote, so having Dynamic list as well means two hatnotes at the start of the section, which risks cluttering.
 * Since such sections are normally more tightly curated versions of the expanded list, the invitation You can help by adding missing items is less likely to solicit useful contributions and more likely to solicit undue bloat.

I'm curious, what do others think? I'll send invites to relevant pages. Cheers, &#123;{u&#124; Sdkb  }&#125;  talk 21:26, 2 January 2024 (UTC)
 * It surely should not have both hatnotes, just, and should not also have a redundant third hatnote, , which is only for "cases where an article section lacks a matching subtopic article but has a relevant and useful matching category". The belongs at the corresponding section of List of Scripps College people. If that section is being selectively transcluded into Scripps College, the unneeded hatnote can be suppressed there by putting noinclude around it.  — SMcCandlish ☏ ¢ 😼  00:37, 3 January 2024 (UTC)
 * In principle, I don't object to both being used in some articles, but I don't like it in that particular section. I was happy with what I did at Grinnell College, which provides a little bit of summary information about alumni, before naming anyone in particular. WhatamIdoing (talk) 07:29, 9 January 2024 (UTC)

Requested move at Talk:List of natural satellites
There is a requested move discussion at Talk:List of natural satellites that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. Vanderwaalforces (talk) 18:10, 9 January 2024 (UTC)

List of Carolina Panthers seasons at WP:FLRC
I have nominated List of Carolina Panthers seasons for featured list removal. Please join the discussion on whether this article meets the featured list criteria. Articles are typically reviewed for two weeks; editors may declare to "Keep" or "Delist" the article's featured status. The instructions for the review process are here. « Gonzo fan2007 (talk)  @ 17:08, 11 January 2024 (UTC)

List of Los Angeles Rams head coaches at [{WP:FLRC]]
I have nominated List of Los Angeles Rams head coaches for featured list removal. Please join the discussion on whether this article meets the featured list criteria. Articles are typically reviewed for two weeks; editors may declare to "Keep" or "Delist" the article's featured status. The instructions for the review process are here. « Gonzo fan2007 (talk)  @ 14:34, 16 January 2024 (UTC)

Splitting discussion for List of fake news websites


An article related to this WikiProject (List of fake news websites: 645kb) has content that is proposed to be removed and moved to six other articles. If you are interested, please visit the discussion. Thank you. Mathglot (talk) 01:12, 17 January 2024 (UTC)

Divide long wikitable? List of quilombola communities in Brazil
Greetings, Viewing this list today, the entire list is one wikitable. Can it be divided into seperate wikitables for each region? Also can the column titles be in English? Asking for help here as my wikitable skills are not so great. I can manage small tables, but this list would be a challenge. Regards, JoeNMLC (talk) 18:40, 17 January 2024 (UTC)

Requested move at Talk:List of association football players who died during their careers
There is a requested move discussion at Talk:List of association football players who died during their careers that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. Reading Beans 06:34, 20 January 2024 (UTC)

Merger discussion at Talk:List of Irish Americans
There is a merger discussion at Talk:List of Irish Americans that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. Dennis C. Abrams (talk) 16:29, 24 January 2024 (UTC)

Requested move at Talk:List of newspapers in the United States
There is a requested move discussion at Talk:List of newspapers in the United States that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. Vanderwaalforces (talk) 22:31, 1 February 2024 (UTC)

==Discussion at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Football § List of footballers who achieved hat-trick records and women== You are invited to join the discussion at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Football § List of footballers who achieved hat-trick records and women. Kingsif (talk) 00:31, 9 February 2024 (UTC) – Request at the discussion for broader input and for the discussion to also ask if there should be a universal standard. As it is about a list, notifying here; list scope/function-based reasoning is of course welcome.

Wikidata for list improvement
Thought this might be useful to share .... I've recently identified an appropriate query for improving lists of people sharing a surname. This has been applied to Johnston (surname) and is being applied to Ferguson (name) (the surname section). The Ferguson-related query is below and I've identified a good transformation (utilizing a spreadsheet app) to create draft line items that about 50% of the time needs some revision before publication.

The 'ferguson' wikidata query is... SELECT ?person ?article ?DOB ?DOD ?DESC WHERE { ?person wdt:P31 wd:Q5. # human ?person wdt:P734 wd:Q2694490. ?article schema:about ?person. ?article schema:isPartOf . OPTIONAL {?person wdt:P569 ?DOB } OPTIONAL {?person wdt:P570 ?DOD } OPTIONAL {?person schema:description ?DESC} FILTER(LANG(?DESC) = "en") } ORDER BY ?article
 * 1) People sharing the surname Ferguson
 * 2) retrieving wikipedia article
 * 3) ordered by article link

The transformations are illustrated in an .ODS file on my personal Microsoft OneDrive >> https://1drv.ms/x/s!AlRFRiLY5w0ehAxPBh0YVZEWGswI?e=dnZuqq (view only). I can abstract the transformation information, but think that building a diagram would be better than a narrative and don't have time to do so at present.

Regards --User:Ceyockey ( talk to me ) 04:02, 12 February 2024 (UTC)

Discussion at List of wealthiest animals
You are invited to join the discussion at Talk:List of wealthiest animals, which is within the scope of this WikiProject. Spinixster  (chat!)  06:24, 15 February 2024 (UTC)

Featured lists marked as List-Class
I've noticed that there are a number of talk pages - currently 320 - that are in a subcategory of, indicating that they have been assessed as featured lists, but which contain class=List (rather than class=FL) in their use of the WikiProject Lists template. This results in them being sorted into, rather than.

I'm planning to fix all of these so that the featured lists currently in the former category are sorted into the latter category instead - however, as WikiProject Lists belongs to, and given the number of pages involved, I thought I should check in with this project before doing so.

Let me know if you have any queries and/or objections to this idea. All the best, &zwj;—&zwj;a smart kitten[ meow] 00:51, 17 February 2024 (UTC)


 * ✅ NmWTfs85lXusaybq (talk) 03:45, 17 February 2024 (UTC)
 * thank you, I appreciate you doing the work, but (by way of explanation) I was planning to wait to see if there was any objection from any members of the WikiProject before taking the action. All the best, &zwj;—&zwj;a smart kitten[ meow] 03:52, 17 February 2024 (UTC)

These guidelines
Was this written by a bunch of lawyers? These guidelines are torturous to read and circle around and really don't help. Is there some legit reason they are not written in direct and clear English? 136.36.180.215 (talk) 15:20, 1 March 2024 (UTC)


 * I think if you're hoping for the guidelines to be changed it would be helpful to provide examples that illustrate your concerns and suggestions for how they might be improved. In my experience, vague complaints that aren't accompanied by suggestions for improvement tend to be overlooked. Cheers. DonIago (talk) 18:56, 1 March 2024 (UTC)

Requested move at Talk:List of Balliol College, Oxford people
There is a requested move discussion at Talk:List of Balliol College, Oxford people that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. Vanderwaalforces (talk) 11:48, 4 March 2024 (UTC)

List of Washington Commanders seasons at WP:FLRC
I have nominated List of Washington Commanders seasons for featured list removal. Please join the discussion on whether this article meets the featured list criteria. Articles are typically reviewed for two weeks; editors may declare to "Keep" or "Delist" the article's featured status. The instructions for the review process are here. « Gonzo fan2007 (talk)  @ 16:48, 11 March 2024 (UTC)

List of Cleveland Browns seasons at WP:FLRC
I have nominated List of Cleveland Browns seasons for featured list removal. Please join the discussion on whether this article meets the featured list criteria. Articles are typically reviewed for two weeks; editors may declare to "Keep" or "Delist" the article's featured status. The instructions for the review process are here. « Gonzo fan2007 (talk)  @ 14:47, 12 March 2024 (UTC)

List of Tampa Bay Buccaneers seasons at WP:FLRC
I have nominated List of Tampa Bay Buccaneers seasons for featured list removal. Please join the discussion on whether this article meets the featured list criteria. Articles are typically reviewed for two weeks; editors may declare to "Keep" or "Delist" the article's featured status. The instructions for the review process are here. « Gonzo fan2007 (talk)  @ 22:34, 18 March 2024 (UTC)

AfD:List of fatal dog attacks in the United States
has been nominated for deletion, project members are invited to comment on the the AfD discussion page. Veritas Aeterna (talk) 21:14, 29 March 2024 (UTC)

Details in a list? (Specifically for lists of characters)
I'd like to ask if there's a concrete rationale on how much should be provided in a list article. My concern is with lists of characters articles since there seems to be no strict policy on that, thus, the questions are mostly about them, but this can probably apply to other lists as well.


 * 1) How much detail should be provided in these articles? Comparing, say List of Fresh Off the Boat characters to List of Brooklyn Nine-Nine characters, there is a big difference between the details in the article. For consistency purposes, I will only be using the details given on the main characters (Eddie Huang for Fresh Off the Boat and Jake Peralta for Brooklyn Nine-Nine). While Eddie Huang only has 1 short paragraph, Jake Peralta has a whopping 7, with an additional infobox and some trivia on the police awards the fictional character received. Manual_of_Style/Writing_about_fiction does say The spinout article should concisely provide details of the topic or topics covered in the work – just because the spinout article is given more space to grow does not mean that excessive plot summaries or fictional character biographies are appropriate. but it seems like there isn't a limit on how much fictional details you can add or a Manual of Style on how it should be formatted.
 * 2) A reception section? See articles such as List_of_The_Legend_of_Vox_Machina_characters, List_of_Clone_High_characters and List_of_Hazbin_Hotel_and_Helluva_Boss_characters, the latter of which I removed the reception section for due to me considering it to be out of scope for a list article on characters, but was reverted. I believe these lists do not need these sections. For the examples I gave, I think it's more "reception of the whole show in general which coincidentally includes the characters" and fits better in something like the main page. Plus, again, this seems out of scope for a list of characters article.

Waiting for your input. Spinixster  (trout me!)  04:10, 5 April 2024 (UTC)


 * While I understand the concerns about unevenness across different list articles, I'm not sure a concrete answer is necessarily needed. Wikipedia's broad principles can allow for us as editors to construct different articles differently as the sources, reader needs, etc. warrant. Some lists have topics that are covered in sufficient detail to warrant more detailed description on Wikipedia; other lists' topics are less covered, or are more easily understood through more concise summarization. Some of these seem like content questions to resolve at the article level rather than at a project level.
 * By way of aside, I would bet that at least some of the longer list entries in the Brooklyn Nine-Nine list are the result of merges from character articles that were longer. Especially if there are infoboxes, I wouldn't be surprised if some of those used to be standalone articles. While Wikipedia can have flexibility with how much detail is in one list or in another, naming all the police awards Peralta receives in the show is almost certainly an excessive amount of detail, and it I don't think it helps the reader understand the character any better (it communicates that Peralta is portrayed as a skilled officer in the setting, but that's information that a single sentence could get across more concisely and straightforwardly).
 * As far as reception goes, I would be interested to hear more from folks more familiar with the list side of things, but from the character side I'm open to character lists including reception sections. Reception and interpretation ground character articles in reality through the reaction of audiences and the analysis of journalists/scholars. I think a character list is less than what it ought to be (or at least could be) if all it offers a reader are plot/character summaries of a work's cast. Hydrangeans (she/her &#124; talk &#124; edits) 05:06, 5 April 2024 (UTC)
 * Here are my thoughts:
 * I do not find either list to be good quality for Wikipedia, and I would consider List of Brooklyn Nine-Nine characters worse because there is barely any out-of-universe context about the characters. It would be completely justified to cull a lot of in-universe content from that list. Maybe there is a better list of characters, but I've often referenced List of Smallville characters as an ideal list. For a character that does not have their own article, their appearance throughout the series is summarized and is followed by out-of-universe context. WP:PLOT is the core policy that applies here: " Wikipedia treats creative works... in an encyclopedic manner, discussing the development, design, reception, significance, and influence of works in addition to concise summaries of those works." That means that writing the in-universe context should be a small part compared to the out-of-universe context. If the latter isn't being provided, the in-universe content should be very minimal. And if it's very minimal, maybe a list of characters is not worth having and should just be an embedded list in the franchise article, no spinoff being warranted.
 * I think how independent parties have described certain characters can be worthwhile, especially since when we as editors write about characters, we can only provide basic descriptions. Like we shouldn't describe a character as "quirky", we should reference someone describing them as such. I don't know if "Reception" is the best section heading for the example you provided, and the constant fragmented quoting reads badly, but the content is generally fine and could warrant more paraphrasing and tying together. In general, it's fine to have different scopes to allow for different focuses. Like let's say a critic reviewed a show, and they had a lot to say about the show overall, plus some comments about certain characters. We can only sample some of a review (which is more difficult the longer it is), so a critic's comments about the show can be in the show's article, and their comments about characters could fit better in the characters article.
 * Thanks, Erik (talk &#124; contrib) (ping me) 16:37, 6 April 2024 (UTC)
 * (Speaking of, why is List of Smallville characters a GA? Shouldn't it be FL?) Spinixster   (trout me!)  01:16, 7 April 2024 (UTC)

Discussion about Kino's inclusion on List of fictional non-binary characters page
Presently there is a discussion here about whether Kino, the protagonist in Kino's Journey, should be included on the page listing non-binary characters (including all those which fall under the non-binary umbrella). I've responded to the original post, which asked in part, "Can someone familiar with this character please clear up the confusion? How is Kino's gender identity best described?", and challenged Kino's inclusion on the page, among other comments. However, your views would also be useful in this discussion. Thanks! Historyday01 (talk) 20:43, 9 April 2024 (UTC)

How do I cite in a list in columns?
I want to include some more names on a list of people and put a citation number after their name to confirm they belong on that list of professionals. The list is divided into columns using a column template and so I can't use visual edit to insert the citation number and reference as when I am in Edit, it is tin the template and I can't inset a ref after the name in the template LPascal (talk) 08:39, 25 March 2024 (UTC)


 * if another editor wants to work out how to do this for me, the List is List of Christian theologians and the person is Yolanda Pierce. LPascal (talk) 08:54, 25 March 2024 (UTC)
 * Yolanda Pierce already appears on that list. I'm not particularly familiar with the Visual Editor, but if you edit the source it would be as simple as adding the citation immediately following the name. DonIago (talk) 20:09, 25 March 2024 (UTC)
 * When a list is presented in columns, it is pretty difficult to edit from visual editor. If your only experience adding citations is through visual editor, it can be next to impossible. If you have a lot of citations to add to section, you could temporarily remove the code forming the columns, added your citations as per normal, and then restore the code for columns. Rublamb (talk) 12:58, 18 April 2024 (UTC)

New list of lists

 * Lists of Michelin starred restaurants

Improvements welcome! Thanks --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 15:03, 12 April 2024 (UTC)


 * I fixed the orphan issue. Rublamb (talk) 13:04, 18 April 2024 (UTC)

Requested move at Talk:List of loanwords in Sri Lankan Tamil
There is a requested move discussion at Talk:List of loanwords in Sri Lankan Tamil that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. Wikiexplorationandhelping (talk) 00:12, 23 April 2024 (UTC)

Should all or any lists have images in them? Join discussion please.
Should lists of aircraft, ships, guns, land vehicles, etc have images in them? Should civilian vehicle lists have images in them, but not military vehicle lists? What about lists for people and buildings? Please join the discussion here: Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Aircraft  D r e a m Focus  00:35, 25 April 2024 (UTC)

List of company name etymologies
I cannot understand why this article should exist. I have started a discussion on Talk:List of company name etymologies. ColinFine (talk) 15:15, 26 April 2024 (UTC)

Requested move at Talk:List of films considered the best
There is a requested move discussion at Talk:List of films considered the best that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. Safari Scribe Edits! Talk! 19:28, 21 June 2024 (UTC)

Formatting of Wikipedia talk:Contents/Lists
Hello all,

I am proposing a change at Wikipedia talk:Contents/Lists to standardize all the subpages of Contents/Lists using a template. This will improve the accessibility of the pages and make it easier to modifying them going forwards. Please feel free to join the discussion to view the proposed changes and share any comments you have. – Brandon XLF  (talk) 04:27, 29 April 2024 (UTC)

Requested move at Talk:List of NBCUniversal television programs
There is a requested move discussion at Talk:List of NBCUniversal television programs that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. ASUKITE 16:42, 15 May 2024 (UTC)