User talk:Rich Farmbrough/Archive/2011 October

Femto Bot and Helpful Pixie Bot
Yanno what? Forget it. Rich Farmbrough, 08:19, 12 September 2011 (UTC).

Thomas Seckford
Please correct the typo "His coat of arm ". Rich Farmbrough, 18:51, 9 September 2011 (UTC).


 * Done. -- Magioladitis (talk) 19:40, 9 September 2011 (UTC)

WP:RFPP
Mind checking if this should be done? LikeLakers2 (talk &#124; Sign my guestbook!) 20:02, 2 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Please don't remove a large portion of text from a page without a reason, as you did here at Requests for page protection with your sockpuppet. If the account is to be used as a WP:NAS dummy account, then at least put that in the edit summary. Thanks. LikeLakers2 (talk &#124; Sign my guestbook!) 22:22, 3 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Whoops. Rich Farmbrough, 22:38, 3 October 2011 (UTC).

Wikipedia:Date formattings
Urged to formalise the project, I have just updated Date formattings to incorporate what I do. I invite feedback and any amendments and changes to the project in the hope that we can expand the effort by recruiting some members. -- Ohconfucius ¡digame! 04:08, 2 September 2011 (UTC)

THIS BOT SCREWED UP THE FORD FE ENGINE ARTICLE AND WILL NOT ALLOW ITSELF TO BE UNDONE
- It messed up the coding for the template at the bottom of the article, messed with, apparently, every line in the article. And when I tried to undo the damage it just redid it all again. And I'm not supposed to notice, or comment on that???? You delete any comments that point out the failings of this bot? I read a little about this bot, and even more at its apparent author's talk page, and this is not an unknown, or unidentified issue with this bot....SO WHY THE HECK IS IT ****STILL**** RUNNING?????? User:12.73.220.22 19:58, 18 September 2011

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 * You are a little confused. Look at the rendered page before and after, nothing is messed up. Nor is every line affected. And no I don't delete anything. Rich Farmbrough, 19:28, 23 September 2011 (UTC).

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 * you deleted this complaint fast enough.


 * you post an answer and then delete everything? Nice.  You don't want to hear/see or deal with problems with this bot? If every line isn't affected, then why is every line highlighted in a differential before and after view?  If you didn't mess up the template at the bottom, then why is there now a dead link in the center of it? If your bot doesn't do anything, why the heck does it exist?  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 12.73.236.202 (talk) 15:49, 25 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Nothing was deleted, merely archived. You had time to read my answer. If you had bothered to sign in I could have left it on your talk page, given that someone screwed up the page you left your message on.
 * The reason "every line is shown" is that the diff doesn't show lines that are unchanged.
 * There is a dead link because there has always been a dead link. There is no difference in rendering between:

and


 * I didn't say it did nothing I said it broke nothing. What it did is explained in the edit summary.
 * Rich Farmbrough, 16:05, 25 September 2011 (UTC).


 * Incidentally I'm not sure why you think "block" is a proper noun, perhaps you could explain that? Rich Farmbrough, 16:13, 25 September 2011 (UTC).

User:Helpful Pixie Bot
First off, the bot is blocked, and has been since September 23.

Second, I can just imagine the bot frolicing through a garden (the garden being Wikipedia's location), looking like SmackBot, and waving to a few users occasionally. Not kidding, I can. :D LikeLakers2 (talk &#124; Sign my guestbook!) 21:09, 3 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Ok, I'm guessing you want your bot to stay blocked. LikeLakers2 (talk &#124; Sign my guestbook!) 18:59, 4 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Nope I'm waiting for MSGJ to unblock it... Rich Farmbrough, 19:11, 4 October 2011 (UTC).

AWB removing GOCE template
Hi. I'd like to find out why your use of AWB removes the GOCE template (e.g. at the bottom of this edit)? Thanks. GFHandel &#9836; 01:14, 5 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Investigating. Rich Farmbrough, 11:11, 5 July 2011 (UTC).


 * I'm curious how this is going? I replaced the GOCE template removed by the above edit. If you need someone to help look at script, I'm more than happy to help. GFHandel &#9836; 00:23, 12 July 2011 (UTC)
 * I'm curious too. :) There was no obvious reason, I haven't had time to set up a test page, which is what I normally do.  The fact that I left the thread here is to remind me. Rich Farmbrough, 11:43, 13 July 2011 (UTC).


 * Thanks for responding on my talk page, however could I request that we keep discussion here (as other editors interested in this issue are likely to come here for more information)? Your response on my talk page was "The answer is that AWB moved the GOCE template to the head of the talk page, and my script renamed it to WikiProject Guild of Copy Editors, its full name". The rename is okay I guess, but I believe it is important to (also?) keep the  stamp in-line on the talk page as it better indicates the moment in time that the copy-edit occurred and gives other editors a chance to comment on the effects of the GOCE edit. The removal of the stamp risks leaving response edits hanging and out of context (as happened with the above edit). Giving the template its full name seems like a good thing to do, but what is the advantage of graphically moving the template away from its in-line location? I've requested further input on the GOCE talk page. Thanks. GFHandel &#9836;  23:06, 13 July 2011 (UTC)
 * It seems that AWB only removed it, it did not create any other GOCE template at the top. That template which you were saying it would be replaced with, is really only used for second or third copyedits. There is a short version of some commonly used GOCE templates here Chaosdruid (talk) 00:43, 14 July 2011 (UTC)
 * You know, I thought that it didn't create it at the top either, but if you search for the string "WikiProject Guild of Copy Editors" in the original edit, it is there (the highlighting syntax for added text in the diff doesn't seem effective in this case). GFHandel &#9836; 01:06, 14 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Yes I am not 100% sure that moving it is the best thing, if not an AWB bug will need to be raised. However there is a date parameter for the template so it that should not be an issue. If it is in  a section it will of course get archived, and not form part of the header, which I gather is the point - to show that a proper copy-edit has taken place.  On a slight tangent maybe the "record" function should be part of Article history. Rich Farmbrough, 19:35, 15 July 2011 (UTC).


 * Need to update the documentation for the template. Rich Farmbrough, 01:28, 10 September 2011 (UTC).

Categories for discussion nomination of Category:DBK Works albums
Category:DBK Works albums, which you created, has been nominated for discussion. If you would like to participate in the discussion, you are invited to add your comments at the category's entry on the Categories for discussion page. Thank you. —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 08:25, 16 August 2011 (UTC)

Categories for discussion nomination of Category:Page Music albums
Category:Page Music albums, which you created, has been nominated for discussion. If you would like to participate in the discussion, you are invited to add your comments at the category's entry on the Categories for discussion page. Thank you. Ten Pound Hammer, his otters and a clue-bat • (Otters want attention) 00:23, 23 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Of course, it was deleted as there was no record company page. The record company page had been deleted (prod) for having only a single artist. This was demonstrably false according to the article. And so it goes. Doubtless the artists will be deleted for only being produced by non-notable labels, and their records will follow leaving nothing to go in the category. Rich Farmbrough, 18:57, 9 September 2011 (UTC).


 * And indeed the record articles had been deleted. Rich Farmbrough, 01:26, 10 September 2011 (UTC).


 * And of course the orphaned fair use images... and so it goes on. Rich Farmbrough, 13:09, 7 October 2011 (UTC).

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 * Thanks Rich Farmbrough, 18:07, 10 September 2011 (UTC).

Database error debug/fix?
I noticed you were keeping a log of db errors - I just encountered one like your "new one" above. When you've encountered them, how long have they persisted? When logged in, I can't view User talk:Lexein - it times out after a minute and produces this message
 * "Database error - From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia - A database query syntax error has occurred. This may indicate a bug in the software. The last attempted database query was: (SQL query hidden)  from within function "User::deleteNewtalk". Database returned error "1205: Lock wait timeout exceeded; try restarting transaction (10.0.6.46)"."

The problem seems to have started after this last change to the talk page (as alerted by my talk page alert email). So I asked on IRC #wikipedia, and got the suggestion to try adding ?action=purge, but http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Lexein?action=purge still produces the timeout and error when I'm logged in. Interestingly, when I 'm logged out, there's no problem. If you have any suggestions for who to contact, please either email me or respond here on your talk page, since I can't conveniently see my talk page at all. --Lexein (talk) 14:48, 16 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Update - problem cleared up after 20 minutes. Don't know if the purge had anything to do with it. --Lexein (talk) 15:08, 16 September 2011 (UTC)
 * I had the same (or similar) error twice at the time you originally posted. Looks like it was failing to get a lock on the database table/row that clears the "You have new messages" flag. Rich Farmbrough, 16:39, 16 September 2011 (UTC).

Talkback II
-- Red rose64 (talk) 21:18, 26 September 2011 (UTC)

Asdas
Can you unprotect the Asdas page and move Asdas, Yemen?♦ Dr. Blofeld  21:09, 30 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Done Rich Farmbrough, 13:33, 7 October 2011 (UTC).

Mystery
Please solve this mystery if you can...

On September 23rd, traffic to Portal:James Bond doubled, and has stayed at the new level since then. I can't figure out what happened.

See http://stats.grok.se/en/201109/Portal%3AJames_Bond

Traffic to Outline of James Bond stayed the same (though it was at the higher-level already), which leads me to suspect changes made somewhere in Wikipedia.

See http://stats.grok.se/en/201109/Outline%20of%20James_Bond

I'd like to find out what happened, in case it reveals helpful link placement tips that can double the traffic to outlines too!

I look forward to your reply on my talk page. The Transhumanist 23:24, 5 October 2011 (UTC)

((lang)) and ((cat handler))
Hello Rich Farmbrough. I created the cat handler template. Today I noticed that a year ago you were involved in trying to deploy in the lang template, but that it didn't work. After some testing and staring at all versions of the code I finally found the error: was not the problem, instead you guys placed the ending brackets in the wrong place. The discussion at has already been archived, but for future reference I left a message in the archive explaining what went wrong. See Template talk:Lang/Archive 2.

--David Göthberg (talk) 17:27, 18 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Thanks. In case of template difficulties, nine times out of ten it's the brackets! Rich Farmbrough, 17:37, 18 September 2011 (UTC).


 * And on an unrelated note: I just noticed it was you who fixed so sec link auto works with Wiktionary links. Thanks for fixing that while I was away. (I really still am on Wikivacation, but currently I am at home with a cold so I have time to do some editing again.) See Template talk:Sec link.
 * --David Göthberg (talk) 18:50, 18 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Of course you are welcome. And it's a pleasure to work on some of the stunning template coding created around here. Rich Farmbrough, 19:12, 18 September 2011 (UTC).

Please make helpful pixie a little less eager to be helpful
I appreciate what the bot does, but I have two complaints: Thanks for taking a look at this. EEng (talk) 22:08, 21 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Removing trailing blanks in markup: It's extremely annoying to see line after line in the diffs where the only difference is the (invisible) deletion of trailing blanks.
 * Acting too quickly: It's extremely, extremely annoying to save a second round of copyediting on a given article, only to get an edit conflict with a bot that jumped in 5 minutes after my first save. Nothing the bot does is urgent.  Why not wait 24 hours after the last edit before it acts? This would virtually eliminate the edit conflicts, plus reduce clutter in edit histories.
 * The first one seems to be forbidden by the editing restriction currently on the operator (prohibited from making cosmetic changes to wikicode that have no effect on the rendered page). The second is an excellent point (and is a request which has been made several times in the past if I recall correctly). I think it deserves a response from the operator. &mdash; Martin (MSGJ · talk) 11:54, 23 September 2011 (UTC)
 * It's not. Being an AWB general fix it is permitted. Rich Farmbrough, 19:58, 23 September 2011 (UTC).
 * I'm not sure this is true. I just loaded up Margaret Truman (the version that EEng was working on before HPB came long) into the latest version AWB and it didn't want to change anything despite all the automatic changes being enabled. So this is not an "AWB general fix". Can you prevent this whitespace-tweaking from happening in the future? &mdash; Martin (MSGJ · talk) 07:52, 25 September 2011 (UTC)
 * As far as the first goes, trailing white-space is a form of pollution, without something cleaning it up it builds up as a type of cruft, the ideal place to remove it is during non-contentious maintenance edits. Ideally MediaWiki would strip it as part of the pre-save transform, but you can do your bit by removing it from pages you edit.
 * I am happy to resolve this problem for EEng. I used to run the bot (then called SmackBot) under AWB in batch mode, initially weekly or monthly and then later daily - this was good because there was a window for other processes to date or remove the tags en-passant. Part of the great thing about the bot in those days was that it rolled so many fixes together with the dating, and people were happy by and large with that, a lot of SB's specific fixes got back-ported to AWB and of course AWB has a whole bunch more. Over the past year, I have been running a continuous perl bot, because it was the only way to deal with the new, more hostile, environment, and still benefit Wikipedia by a tiny fraction of the fixes that SmackBot (AWB) made. However I can wind back the time delay for any users who find SmackBot too fast.
 * Rich Farmbrough, 19:58, 23 September 2011 (UTC).


 * Could I suggest that you wait a full hour before dating any maintenance templates? This is a round figure, and a good compromise between EEng's suggested 24 hours and the immediate dating that currently happens. &mdash; Martin (MSGJ · talk) 07:56, 25 September 2011 (UTC)
 * As long as it's at least an hour it's no big deal to me, but since the discussion continues let me repeat that, to the extent that articles often get bursts of edits on a single day, waiting longer reduces edit-history clutter as well as (when more than one editor is involved) confusion over who's done what. 24 is also a nice round number. And as for trailing blanks: if they stay forever... so what? EEng (talk) 22:18, 25 September 2011 (UTC)

Semi-protected template moved
I moved the ungrammatically name Template:Over detailed, which you'd semiprotected, to the grammatical name Template:Overly detailed, which has no such protection. The redir Template:Over-detailed, which is also grammatically correct, works too. — SMcCandlish  Talk⇒ ʕ(Õلō)ˀ  Contribs. 20:54, 30 September 2011 (UTC)
 * OK, cool. I thought protection moved with the page? Rich Farmbrough, 11:01, 1 October 2011 (UTC).


 * It does; see here. The timestamp and edit summary are the same as the page move. Since SMcCandlish isn't an admin, and thus couldn't have altered prot level manually, the fact that the prot log entry is in his name implies that the action must have been coupled to the page move process. -- Red rose64 (talk) 13:22, 1 October 2011 (UTC)

E-mail notification
RF, I'm unsure if you check your e-mail regularly, so please be aware that I've sent our response to your message from last week. Sorry it took a little longer than our seven-day target to reply; I was meant to have sent it a few days ago, but was tardy. Regards, AGK  [&bull; ] 19:30, 2 October 2011 (UTC)

Categories for discussion nomination of Category:JVC Records albums
Category:JVC Records albums, which you created, has been nominated for discussion. If you would like to participate in the discussion, you are invited to add your comments at the category's entry on the Categories for discussion page. Thank you. —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 21:09, 3 October 2011 (UTC)

Please take care
...not to violate your editing restrictions (and AWB rules of use), with edits that don't change the rendered page like ,, (note that the change to Defaultsort doesn't do anything since defaultsort is case insensitive nowadays),,,,. Fram (talk) 13:18, 7 October 2011 (UTC)
 * ✅ Answered on user's talk page. Rich Farmbrough, 13:30, 7 October 2011 (UTC).

A barnstar for you!

 * Nice, thanks. Rich Farmbrough, 22:44, 31 August 2011 (UTC).

HIV/AIDS Project
Hi Rich, Isaac here how is the Project so far? I have talked with a few people in in WHO and I am awaiting their reply, Asaf from the foundation has also been here and is helping us out — Preceding unsigned comment added by Kipsizoo (talk • contribs) 16:36, 18 August 2011 (UTC)
 * That's great news. I put together a product diagram on paper and am hoping to produce a digital version tonight. Will let you know. Rich Farmbrough, 16:49, 18 August 2011 (UTC).

Cleanup-laundry
Because of an editor raising some good questions on Template_talk:Cleanup-laundry, I realised what always bother me in Cleanup-laundry. 1. The vagueness of the term. 2. The parallel existence of Cleanup-list. Could you clarify these two things for me? Or is a merge of "laundry" into "list" the best idea? Debresser (talk) 23:12, 1 August 2011 (UTC)
 * They are slightly different. One says that the list needs cleanup, the other that it should probably not be there. That is, though, probably a bad use of "laundry list", nonetheless there may be benefit form improving both templates per their discussion pages. Rich Farmbrough, 01:32, 10 September 2011 (UTC).

Scotland (continued)
Hi. Thanks for that, I've sorted out Indonesian links. Now Scotland. Can you do the same thing with the maps in Category:Populated places in Inverness committee area and Category:Populated places in Sutherland? Once that's done I'll add the infoboxes to the remainder.♦ Dr. Blofeld  20:22, 1 March 2011 (UTC)
 * Did I do this? I think so...Rich Farmbrough, 23:41, 29 April 2011 (UTC).

New template suggestion?
What's the best place to suggest and get checked User:Lexein/Template:Expand-barerefs, as part of the Expand- family of templates? It appears to be desirable, based on discussion at WP:ANI, specifically WP:ANI. --Lexein (talk) 23:40, 12 August 2011 (UTC)
 * I think there is something similar. I'll try to check. Rich Farmbrough, 22:40, 13 August 2011 (UTC).


 * is the slightly inappropriately named template. Rich Farmbrough, 21:47, 7 October 2011 (UTC).

SmackBot
Hi Rich, SmackBot has been iconic and ecumenical, why change its name? Is there any chance he can go back to SmackBot? Thanks --Camilo Sanchez (talk) 01:14, 24 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Hi Camilo, nice of you to say. There was some concern that SmackBot's name was unwelcoming to newbies.  Not sure about that myself, but that was the reason for the change. If the community wanted the old name back... Rich Farmbrough, 14:13, 27 August 2011 (UTC).


 * I would like to move it back to SmackBot, is the process the same for bots? --Camilo Sanchez (talk) 23:58, 6 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Because of the number of edits, the process simply requires me to swap the account it uses, and the "bot" authorisation to be changed. Maybe Village Pump might be a place to gain consensus, if anyone else thinks it matters? Rich Farmbrough, 00:05, 7 September 2011 (UTC).


 * People are too busy at the village. If you can move it back to its iconic name please. Thanks --Camilo Sanchez (talk) 04:39, 8 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Although I sympathize, I'm not going to make the move back unless it's a community decision. Rich Farmbrough, 18:18, 9 September 2011 (UTC).

John Peel (huntsman)
Clumsy lead. Rich Farmbrough, 21:33, 10 September 2011 (UTC).

Thomas Skinner (Ceylon)
Tense problems. Rich Farmbrough, 21:36, 10 September 2011 (UTC).

The Signpost: 26 September 2011
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Help with "Article Reads Like News Release"
Hey - the Widener Law page has the "News Release" message at the top...I tried to format the page after the Temple Law and U. Penn Law pages. I think the content is neutral and comparable to information found on most college/university pages. Can I remove the "News Release" tag? (I know I physically can remove it, I just don't want to piss anybody off). If there is something you think should be changed/neutralized on the page, please let me know!

Thanks 98.235.125.61 (talk) 01:22, 6 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Looks fine to me, I removed the tag. Rich Farmbrough, 13:31, 7 October 2011 (UTC).

Thanks Rich! I really appreciate it! 98.235.125.61 (talk) 21:45, 7 October 2011 (UTC)

Fishing...
I love that little statistic you provided. It's a fish. I need more.

500,000 per month, that's 6 million per year! My guess was 5.

'Give someone a fish and you feed him for a day; teach the person to fish and you feed him for a lifetime.' (See Distributism).

Please teach me how to fish. How did you generate that stat?

I look forward to your reply. The Transhumanist 17:28, 7 October 2011 (UTC)

E-mail
LikeLakers2 (talk &#124; Sign my guestbook!) 21:07, 7 October 2011 (UTC)

RfC
Thanks for your comment on Talk:Kingsmill_massacre. I know you're busy but I'd be grateful if you could clarify it. My query is there after your post --Flexdream (talk) 11:33, 8 October 2011 (UTC)

Bug bash
"Bug bash sounds similar to eat one's own dog food" - this needs to go. Rich Farmbrough, 10:46, 13 September 2011 (UTC).


 * Although this is straight-forward, I haven't done it—to "eating your own dog food is a fairly well-known concept in software development and it would probably be preferable to reword the section. —Sladen (talk) 11:34, 13 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Yes, I'm familiar with the concept. It is more of a public-relations principle, though, and the software development benefits are a side issue. It might be worth contrasting the two, from a SD POV, since dog-food seeks an ongoing long term benefit, whereas a bug bash is a "heroic" concept. Rich Farmbrough, 12:14, 13 September 2011 (UTC).

Emacs
Don't cap Pinky.
 * ✅ —Sladen (talk) 11:29, 13 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Thanks. Rich Farmbrough, 12:14, 13 September 2011 (UTC).

Kinesis
Piezo not a proper noun.. sigh. Rich Farmbrough, 11:22, 13 September 2011 (UTC).

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New error?
Database error From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia View logs for this page A database query syntax error has occurred. This may indicate a bug in the software. The last attempted database query was:

(SQL query hidden)

from within function "Block::purgeExpired". Database returned error "1213: Deadlock found when trying to get lock; try restarting transaction (10.0.6.46)".

Film lists
Hi there! I just came across while looking for some tidying-up work. It looks as though you created the category; thus may I ask, how is this category different from ? I do see that there's a different list template used for each: Expand list or inc-film and maybe you can explain that to me as well. Before I start sorting, I want to be sure of what goes where. Thanks. Humbly, Pegship (talk) 23:08, 16 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Hm yes, the purpose is the same. The idea is to have simpler templates (many need a subject field available, Notability, this one, In-universe and Expert are good examples) though there is some challenge as to what the field should be called. So we should merge these two categories.  The easiest way is to use inc-film as a wrapper for Expand-list. Rich Farmbrough, 19:50, 17 September 2011 (UTC).


 * Okey dokey...what's a wrapper, and how shall I create one? Thanks for your reply. Pegship (talk) 23:14, 18 September 2011 (UTC)
 * ✅ Answered on user's talk page. Rich Farmbrough, 20:13, 8 October 2011 (UTC).
 * ✅ Answered on user's talk page. Rich Farmbrough, 20:13, 8 October 2011 (UTC).

Sir Robert Peake
Needs sorting out.

My RFA
Hi Rich; please see comment in. -- Red rose64 (talk) 15:53, 9 October 2011 (UTC)

John Paulet, 5th Marquess of Winchester
Link first occurrence of Basing House, not the second
 * Done All the best: Rich Farmbrough, 20:22, 19 March 2017 (UTC).

Use dmy
In this edit your bot again added the Use dmy dates template without any good reason. Actually, the writer of this book is American. As I have said before, the incidental usage of a dmy type date is not reason to add the template. Please stop your bot from adding this template automatically. And I am serious about this... Debresser (talk) 12:50, 22 September 2011 (UTC)
 * I see the bot is still making these errors . There has been time for this to be addressed as the operator has been online and making edits as well. And the bot does not seem to stop anymore when its talkpage is edited. So I am going to block the bot until this issue is resolved. &mdash; Martin (MSGJ · talk) 11:48, 23 September 2011 (UTC)

[X] copied from User talk:Helpful Pixie Bot by Femto Bot, (possibly the smallest bot in the world) 16:03, 23 September 2011 (UTC)

The talk page was set up as a redirect to my talk page. I am just too busy (and too annoyed at the situation) right now to make further comment. Rich Farmbrough, 15:57, 23 September 2011 (UTC).


 * It would be incredulous that you were not watching your bot's talk page ... and if it was on your watchlist I'm not quite sure how you could miss that many posts. Anyway no big problem, I can unblock when the issue is resolved. Question: why does editing the talk page not stop the bot? It might be a good idea to re-add this feature to avoid the need to block the bot in cases like this. &mdash; Martin (MSGJ · talk) 18:00, 23 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Because that was an AWB feature I used for years. All the AWB features have been wasted since it was decided that the bot could be blocked if it made a "non-render changing" edit, since AWB is not capable of distinguishing between rendering and non-rendering edits, and I had to recode everything in perl. You may think that it was a stupid, short sighted decision. I couldn't possibly comment. Rich Farmbrough, 19:22, 23 September 2011 (UTC).


 * Oh and I don't use the watchlist system. Incidentally: incredulous. Rich Farmbrough, 19:22, 23 September 2011 (UTC).


 * Rich, if you're too busy (your words) to care for your bots, then please don't run them. —Sladen (talk) 12:32, 24 September 2011 (UTC)
 * I'm not too busy to care for the bots, just too busy to care for every rules junkie that thinks rules are more important than the encyclopaedia. Rich Farmbrough, 13:18, 24 September 2011 (UTC).


 * This is all very well, but don't you agree that the bot should stop adding these templates on an automatic basis? I think I gave a very good reason, and a reply to the issue would be in order. Debresser (talk) 07:13, 25 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Possibly a stupid question, but why shouldn't use dmy dates be added to articles that only use dmy dates? Jenks24 (talk) 22:36, 25 September 2011 (UTC)
 * In this edit the article doesn't seem to have any dmy dates in it. One of the cleanup templates did, but the bot removed that at the same time it added the dmy tag. &mdash; Carl (CBM · talk) 01:36, 26 September 2011 (UTC)


 * This one is another example, I think that the script caught the phrase "the set containing 3, 4, and 5 may be ..." and though that was a date. I don't think there are any dates at all in the article. &mdash; Carl (CBM · talk) 01:39, 26 September 2011 (UTC)


 * Good spotting, though since I will be removing that feature, a little late. :) Rich Farmbrough, 03:56, 26 September 2011 (UTC).


 * Feature disabled. Rich Farmbrough, 21:17, 3 October 2011 (UTC).


 * Excellent. Could you also disable the whitespace adjustment (as discussed in and as necessitated by certain editting restrictions) and add a 60 min waiting period as has been requested? &mdash; Martin (MSGJ · talk) 10:37, 4 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Sure why not? The bot will then do nothing, but that's what it's doing now. Consider it done for version p615. Rich Farmbrough, 10:57, 4 October 2011 (UTC).


 * I did see your response a while ago but have been waiting for a clarification because I am not sure about your stance on the issues raised. It is a unfortunate that one has to use a block to force you to make your bot work correctly, but that seems to be the case. Please could you confirm, without any possibility of doubt, that you have enabled a waiting period (as discussed) and that your bot will no longer contravene your editing restrictions. &mdash; Martin (MSGJ · talk) 19:35, 8 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Yes I have increased the waiting period to 1 hour. I have also disabled the white-space reduction, which did not contravene the so called editing restriction. Rich Farmbrough, 19:59, 8 October 2011 (UTC).


 * Okay I have unblocked the bot, although it was disappointing that its very first edit seemed to put the 1 hour waiting period in some doubt. &mdash; Martin (MSGJ · talk) 20:35, 8 October 2011 (UTC)
 * It doesn't wait for IPs. Or for me. Rich Farmbrough, 20:37, 8 October 2011 (UTC).


 * By "It doesn't wait for IPs" I assume you mean the bot doesn't wait after an IP's edit before acting, whereas it waits an hour after a logged-in user's edit. Why not wait after IP edits?  It seems to me that an IP edit is as likely to be followed up quickly as are logged-in edits -- maybe more if you believe IPs are more likely to vandalize, and therefore more likely to be reverted, making an intervening bot edit just confusing clutter. I suggest the bot wait an hour in all cases (except edits by you, if you wish). EEng (talk) 01:20, 9 October 2011 (UTC)


 * Thanks for the suggestion. Rich Farmbrough, 18:35, 9 October 2011 (UTC).

James Robertson (British Army officer)

 * Needs sources.

William Wynne Ryland

 * 1) dob
 * 2) Last hanged at Tyburn
 * 3) paper evidence

Ceibal project
May need moving, certainly needs massive cleaning up. Rich Farmbrough, 00:21, 14 September 2011 (UTC).

Luigj Gurakuqi University Library
Replace body with

Luigj Gurakuqi University Library (Biblioteka e Universitetit të Shkodrës “Luigj Gurakuqi”) is the library of the Luigj Gurakuqi University of Shkodra in Shkodër, Albania. It traces its history to the establishment of the Pedagogical Institute in 1957 with a stock of about 1000 books, mainly in Albanian. Today, this library has about 150,000 books.It includes a holding of thirty two rare volumes form the early part of the sixteenth century. The older stick is in the process of digitization to ensure longevity of the items, and improve advisability. The library runs exchanges with Albanian and foreign libraries.

The Reader
"The warden expresses the disappointment of Hanna in her anger towards Michael for not communicating with Hanna in any way other than the audio tapes." We can do better than this. Rich Farmbrough, 10:51, 13 September 2011 (UTC).

✅ Rich Farmbrough, 20:06, 9 October 2011 (UTC).
 * Ruth Franklin should be a redlink
 * equally... as...

Continuous spontaneous ventilation
Spurious caps all over the place. And may be a good merge candidate. Rich Farmbrough, 00:15, 14 September 2011 (UTC).

Bash shell
Keyboard shortcuts:
 * Don't cap "Forward" etc.
 * Don't Wikt to foreground, WP to Foreground process
 * Possibly use a table

Synonyms : http://www.hypexr.org/bash_tutorial.php#emacs ✅ Rich Farmbrough, 20:12, 9 October 2011 (UTC).

Fahd Mohammed Ahmed al-Quso
✅Rich Farmbrough, 20:11, 9 October 2011 (UTC).
 * 1) $ - dollars
 * 2) conversion
 * 3) Caps
 * 4) missing link around pipe?
 * 5) PoV

Archibald Skirving
Needs refs and parentage. Rich Farmbrough, 21:41, 10 September 2011 (UTC).


 * Edward Pellew, 1st Viscount Exmouth
 * Michael Slattery (priest)
 * Foulis Baronets
 * Eoghan Rua Ó Súilleabháin dob etc.
 * Banastre Tarleton
 * Thomas Pingo
 * John Purchas
 * ✅ what I can. Again inaccuracies and infelicities remain due to the stiff necks of certain admins. Rich Farmbrough, 20:22, 9 October 2011 (UTC).

Mirrorbot
I just wanted to let you know that one of your bots was being mentioned again recently on the Bot requests page. Not sure if your still interested but thought I would let you know. --Kumioko (talk) 14:16, 19 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Thanks! Rich Farmbrough, 00:25, 21 August 2011 (UTC).

Daniel Avery
m. Alice Brwon, Bristol 1 s etc.. http://mssa.library.yale.edu/obituary_record/1859_1924/1870-1880_supp.pdf p. 425 ✅ ✅ Rich Farmbrough, 20:52, 9 October 2011 (UTC).
 * Mahmood Hussein Mattan - tidy up.

William Roper (biographer)

 * Birth year 1496
 * ✅ – I corrected the birth year in the article to match the sources given.
 * Also that "Biblical City" link if I can find it
 * Site du Conseil général de Mayotte.
 * Les communes de Mayotte sur le site de l'Insee
 * Give up on these. Rich Farmbrough, 21:01, 9 October 2011 (UTC).

Proposed deletion of Keith Griffin (economist)


The article Keith Griffin (economist) has been proposed for deletion because, under Wikipedia policy, all newly created biographies of living persons must have at least one reference to a reliable source that directly supports material in the article.

If you created the article, please don't be offended. Instead, consider improving the article. For help on inserting references, see Referencing for beginners, or ask at the help desk. Once you have provided at least one reliable source, you may remove the prod blp tag. Please do not remove the tag unless the article is sourced. If you cannot provide such a source within ten days, the article may be deleted, but you can when you are ready to add one. joe deckertalk to me 22:19, 10 October 2011 (UTC)
 * The article Keith Griffin (economist) has been proposed for deletion because.. we are too lazy to fix it.. adn would rather see it deleted. Rich Farmbrough, 22:37, 10 October 2011 (UTC).

Mughrabi Gate ramp reconstruction (February 2007)
Repetition.
 * Kinda done. Rich Farmbrough, 22:38, 10 October 2011 (UTC).

speedy deletion
please change october 2010 to october 2011 in Eshan Sharma — Preceding unsigned comment added by 59.94.237.181 (talk) 11:15, 10 October 2011 (UTC)
 * ✅ by someone else. Rich Farmbrough, 11:52, 10 October 2011 (UTC).

article deletion
Eshan Sharma should be deleted from wikipedia. its of no use and have no references. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Raul341 (talk • contribs) 13:16, 11 October 2011 (UTC)

template conservatism
Hi Rich! Noticed you removed the transclusion. Was there a problem with the transclusion? – Lionel (talk) 21:26, 10 October 2011 (UTC)
 * It just seemed an un-necessary level of indirection, unless the logo is expected to change reasonably frequently? Rich Farmbrough, 21:29, 10 October 2011 (UTC).

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ml.wikiquote
Could you please explain what is being done [here]? --Jyothis (talk) 22:59, 12 October 2011 (UTC) Rich Farmbrough, 23:47, 12 October 2011 (UTC).
 * ✅ Answered on user's talk page. Rich Farmbrough, 23:47, 12 October 2011 (UTC).
 * ✅ Answered on user's talk page. Rich Farmbrough, 23:47, 12 October 2011 (UTC).

Eshan Sharma
Thought that might be the case and was thinking of prodding it myself but decided to wait for things to calm down with the SPA so as not lead to an even more confusing situation. Once things have calmed down I'll prod it myself - a quick google search doesn't seem to find any usable sources. Dpmuk (talk) 13:18, 11 October 2011 (UTC)

Requesting help with reflinks
Hi there. You helped me a few months ago with fixing some reflinks and I'm contacting you to see if you can help me out again since you have automated powers. I've worked on a few articles over the past few months and the reflinks are getting out of control. I basically just need help from someone with automated privileges who can shorten the follow-up reflinks for me to make the articles easier to navigate for future editors. I know I should have used "short-hand" follow-up reflinks when I originally wrote the pages, but I'll admit I just got lazy and didn't bother to type up a second code for every reflink (some pages have 40+ reflinks and it was just easier to keep pasting the original) but now some of the pages are becoming a nightmare to navigate for anyone who needs to edit them in the future. Some of the pages I've written that need follow-up reflinks shortened are Jay North, Academy Juvenile Award, and GLAAD Media Award, to name a few (there may be more, but I just can't think of them right now). It's not an emergency situation, but I was wondering if you could go to those pages when you have a few spare minutes and shorten the follow-up reflinks to. Thanks --- Crakkerjakk (talk) 16:09, 11 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Done those 3. Rich Farmbrough, 16:27, 11 October 2011 (UTC).


 * Thanks. :-) --- Crakkerjakk (talk) 17:54, 11 October 2011 (UTC)

ml.wikiquote
May I request you to inform the community before doing such things? :) --Jyothis (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 00:39, 13 October 2011 (UTC). Rich Farmbrough, 01:02, 13 October 2011 (UTC).
 * ✅ Answered on user's talk page. Rich Farmbrough, 01:02, 13 October 2011 (UTC).
 * ✅ Answered on user's talk page. Rich Farmbrough, 01:02, 13 October 2011 (UTC).

Categories in user space
Hi Rich. You have a lot of categories here - User:Rich Farmbrough/BO - that need to be disabled. -- Brangifer (talk) 02:45, 13 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Thanks. Done. Rich Farmbrough, 21:55, 13 October 2011 (UTC).

Dinah
Redlinked template ... now what was this? Rich Farmbrough, 01:04, 13 October 2011 (UTC).


 * ✅Rich Farmbrough, 17:59, 16 October 2011 (UTC).

Template:Did you know nominations/John Clapp (baseball)
If you could review the hook from Template:Did you know nominations/John Clapp (baseball) that would be great. The article itself has already been reviewed, just not the alts. Best, Albacore (talk) 15:06, 15 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Commented, not really knowledgeable enough to review. Rich Farmbrough, 17:25, 16 October 2011 (UTC).

Date templates
In this edit I noticed that you are still adding date templates, manually. I understand you add the template not only to articles which because of their subject matter should use a certain date format (like dmy in articles about England and mdy in articles about America), but even when you notice a preference for a certain date format which might have grown randomly, in order to further uniformity. Is that correct? Do you think that is also part of the intention of the date format templates? Debresser (talk) 09:29, 16 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Yes, the date format should be consistent within an article To understand the usage patterns see Calendar date, Date format by country and Date and time notation in the United States (althoguh the last could be expanded a little). Rich Farmbrough, 13:48, 16 October 2011 (UTC).

Acts_of_the_Apostles

 * Ced. Rich Farmbrough, 18:54, 11 September 2011 (UTC).


 * Gospel of the Twelve link JM. Rich Farmbrough, 19:03, 11 September 2011 (UTC).

Waiting time for Helpful Pixie Bot
In a recent discussion on this talk page, you agreed to set a waiting time for HPbot, but you didn't set this for IP edits for some unknown reason. This creates siutatuions like where 7 times in 20 minutes you edit the same article while an IP is actively editing it, thereby possibly creating edit conflicts only because the bot won't wait for an hour or so before making its edit.

The same happened e.g. here with three bot edits in five minutes.

I also notice that the waiting period for non-IP edits only seems to be about 10 minutes, even though you said that you had increased it to 1 hour. Any reason that you don't actually wait for 1 hour, and for IPs as well? Fram (talk) 13:34, 17 October 2011 (UTC)
 * I did set it to 1 hour but the effectiveness became zero as I predicted. I now have it on twice the previous delay, and effectiveness is about 50% at a guess. Rich Farmbrough, 12:17, 18 October 2011 (UTC).


 * I unblocked this bot on the very clear undertaking you gave me. As you have reneged on this I have reblocked the bot. &mdash; Martin (MSGJ · talk) 12:30, 18 October 2011 (UTC)
 * (ec)What do you mean by "effectiveness"? Are there pages that should get tag-dated but don't, due to the delay? Or do other bots get there before yours (and why is that a problem?)? Or something else? Apart from that, any reason that you can't implement the same delay for IPs, avoiding (from today) four bot edits in seven minutes to the same article? Fram (talk) 12:33, 18 October 2011 (UTC)

Mistake by Helpful Pixie Bot
In this edit, you not only claim to date the "currentrelated" template, which doesn't take a date template; you also didn't date this template, but the "!" template included in it: that one as well doesn't take a date template, of course. Fram (talk) 13:42, 17 October 2011 (UTC
 * Current related (two words) does take a date. The other issue is fixed. Rich Farmbrough, 12:16, 18 October 2011 (UTC).

Stephen Skinner
Birth and graduation dates need sourcing. Rich Farmbrough, 21:30, 10 September 2011 (UTC).


 * Someone else can do this, my time is being stolen. Rich Farmbrough, 13:10, 18 October 2011 (UTC).

Mistake by Helpful Pixie Bot
In this edit, you not only claim to date the "currentrelated" template, which doesn't take a date template; you also didn't date this template, but the "!" template included in it: that one as well doesn't take a date template, of course. Fram (talk) 13:42, 17 October 2011 (UTC
 * Current related (two words) does take a date. The other issue is fixed. Rich Farmbrough, 12:16, 18 October 2011 (UTC).

Template:Noc
Your recent changes to Template:Noc have left it nonfunctioning. Please see the Table of United States Metropolitan Statistical Areas. Yours aye, Buaidh  16:43, 17 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Thank you, Buaidh  19:45, 17 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Welcome. Rich Farmbrough, 23:50, 17 October 2011 (UTC).

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Hilux Surf
Hi there. Came across your article on the Hilux Surf and you seem to be knowledgeable in this area, not many are including myself. I have a 1989 4Runner and for all general purposes it appears the 4th generation Hilux is basically a 1st generation 4Runner. Now when it comes to finding parts and pieces, accessories, etc. for my 4Runner it is darn near impossible, discontinued or made of gold for the price of a part if found or sold. My question I pose is, do you know if the two are interchangeable/compatible? Would sure ease my search for my restore.

Thanks for any input, JasonChpfreak (talk) 15:27, 15 October 2011 (UTC) Rich Farmbrough, 14:04, 16 October 2011 (UTC).
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Quick templates
While it is obvious that something needs to be done about the template transclusion problem, it may be best to address this in a structured manner instead of creating and using new things without much coordination or care. I have reverted a number of your edits with the cite quick templates, because while they solved some problems (partially or completely), they introduced new errors as well. Please start a discussion about this problem, so that a general fix for it can be found (e.g. by simplyfying the existing cite templates), instead of this well-meaning effort with rather poor results. So far, I undid your changes at Philippines, Alzheimer's disease and Bacterial phyla, I'll check the other ones using the cite quick templates as well. If you want to reuse (Pixie Build p616), make sure it contains less errors. Fram (talk) 09:10, 17 October 2011 (UTC)


 * While at first glance the earlier errors are no longer happening, there are still some minor tweaks to make (assuming we continue using these "quick" templates instead of trying to improve the "normal" ones to eliminate the transclusion problem). In Bacterial phyla, you list author=Carl Linnaeus which should simply be author=Carl Linnaeus It's also a pity that a ref that was layouted with one line per parameter now gets one line with two parameters... Fram (talk) 07:08, 18 October 2011 (UTC)


 * Yes I know about the Linnaeus issue, that of course was the situation before the edit. As far as improving the "normal" cites, there is no reason that can't be done at the same time. (Or indeed a cite module for MediaWIki can't be written.) If it is sufficiently successful to obviate the need for (or benefit from) the quick templates, then they can be removed trivially.  Rich Farmbrough, 09:08, 18 October 2011 (UTC).

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Resolution of problems?
I notice that you have not responded to the comments above, and yet this bot is continuing with its editing. &mdash; Martin (MSGJ · talk) 11:56, 18 October 2011 (UTC)
 * I don't think there is a rule that says the bot should stop if some editor makes a comment. Rich Farmbrough, 12:18, 18 October 2011 (UTC).


 * As a bot operator you have to be responsive to editors' concerns. &mdash; Martin (MSGJ · talk) 12:31, 18 October 2011 (UTC)

Please check
Please check whether you have the templates and category in this edit, which I found today. Debresser (talk) 22:58, 20 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Thanks, added the one I didn't have. Rich Farmbrough, 00:20, 21 October 2011 (UTC).

You dated Category:Wikipedia articles without plot summaries. How did you do that? And, most interesting, how did you add dates like May 2008, if the Template:No plot was created only 22 September 2011? Debresser (talk) 01:16, 21 October 2011 (UTC)


 * I see. They were tagged previously with Template:Sectstub (or other templates perhaps), and the old date remained when it was replaced with the newply created "No plot" template. Ok. Debresser (talk) 08:47, 21 October 2011 (UTC)

Problems with these noplot AWB edits
Please be careful not to make empty edits like this one and this one (the added empty line doesn't alter the appearance of the page). Please also don't replace with, there is no need to make such a change, and considering that footnotes is in itself a template redirect makes it a rather baffling replacement. Fram (talk) 07:32, 21 October 2011 (UTC)

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To do

 * 1) fix up broken archives ✅
 * 2) import main todo list (or build a new one off-wiki) ✅
 * 3) fix the following minor edits✅

email
I didn't reveal your email, but I do reserve the right to reply to emails on-wiki. I'm sorry if you feel my replying to your email on-wiki was unethical or if I have breached your trust. I see you have removed this comment and this is fine with me. I will think carefully before something similar again. &mdash; Martin (MSGJ · talk) 11:14, 20 October 2011 (UTC)

Deletion of article Jayen Varma
Dear Sir, Could you please let me know why the article jayen Varma was deleted by you. Based on its credible links could you please bring it back?. Thanks. (Musicindia1 (talk) 14:59, 17 October 2011 (UTC))
 * The page had been deleted thrice before. I see no reason that the new version was more credibly notable than the old versions. Rich Farmbrough, 23:53, 17 October 2011 (UTC).


 * Yes sir, It was deleted 3 times before. The contents are also same. But the fact is that the article didn't have enough credible links at the time of discussion and deletion. But I request your good self to look in to the links attached to it now. The links are mostly from those news papers and magazines approved by Wikipedia, like India's national news paper The Hindu, Bass Musician magazine USA, Mathruboomi of India, North East Today of India, Webindia123, Gibson Guitar Corporation website etc. You can even find his name in this week's news papers in India like New Indian Express and Times of India. Please Google for his name in news. He is definitely a notable person from the links available. I appreciate your view with respect to the rules that the article which was deleted previously has to be deleted if recreated. I had discussion with few administrators before recreating the article based on the links. Sir, Kindly do the needful to keep the article because it has enough proof to show its notable. And that was my first original article, though I am mostly focused on translation of music related articles to Malayalam. I hope you will definitely find a solution for this. Thank you. (Musicindia1 (talk)) —Preceding undated comment added 02:29, 19 October 2011 (UTC).
 * I have restored the article, also merged the history, I couldn't see your discussion with admins, but the references do indeed seem better. Good luck with your translation work. Rich Farmbrough, 10:40, 19 October 2011 (UTC).


 * Thanks a lot for restoring the article and for the encouragement to do more in wikipedia. with much respect(Musicindia1 (talk) 16:37, 19 October 2011 (UTC))

Karol Szymanowski
Hello Rich Farmbrough! Could you please take another look at Karol Szymanowski article? It seems to me that Template:Refimprove could be removed? What do you think? Thank you and best regards, Semimartingale (talk) 13:57, 18 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Well no refs have been added since User:LibStar placed the tag back in March - see this diff, so I'm not really sure. It's not clear what specifically needs citing, conversely it is also not clear which of the references sources which uncited parts of the article. Rich Farmbrough, 14:45, 18 October 2011 (UTC).


 * Ok, thank you! Semimartingale (talk) 03:05, 20 October 2011 (UTC)

DNB articles
Hello Rich, I see you have been generating some new articles using DNB articles on Wikisource. Did you use a semi automated method to do this or did you do by hand? If you used a simi-automated method I am sure there are other editors who would be interested.

The problem is that the template you used when generating them was the incorrect one. That is you used cite DNB when we have a dedicated one called DNB which does several things including filling out some of the relevant fields and puts in an attribute string. We have similar templates for a number of project basically:
 * cite DNB or cite EB1911 etc. The work like normal cite book etc
 * DNB or 1911 etc. The basically do what is needed for WP:PLAGIARISM and more specifically the section "Where to place attribution". It also adds some hidden maintenance categories which you will find described in the template documentation.
 * DNB Poster puts the DNB wikisource link into a pretty box.

One of the things that cite DNB and DNB have is the standard "title=" and "url=", but they also include another parameter called "wstitle=" which takes the DNB article name and adds onto it the necessary extra path information and puts in a intra-wiki link rather than an external URL link.

Your solution to endnotes was certainly imaginative, but it is non standard. One of four things is usually done, Either they are added as a "quotation=" parameter (but that is depreciated), or they are tagged on the end of the line (after some suitable explanation such as you gave, or they are added as an indented bullet point list. Or the are just ignored.

Adding a general reference as an attribution will do, but usually one should add inline citations at the end of each paragraph. DNB has ref=harv set so you can use sfn or harvnb to link the short citations to the DNB template.

If the process you are using is automated, then to make sure that the TOC goes at the top of the page it is a good idea to break the line after the first clause and start a section called "Biography" or "Life". You will need to add the subjects name to the broken sentence. See as an example: George Beattie (poet) to which I have made minimal changes to your layout, to demonstrate what I mean. Note also that one has to be careful about the nationality of the subject particularly if they were born before 1707 for English and Scottish subjects and 1801 for Irish subjects. Subject in both meanings of the word as they were not British before those dates.

There is a project talk page Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Dictionary of National Biography where if you used a semi-automated method there would be interest. Also it would be helpful if you know what pages you have created using extracts from DNB text if you could list them there so that willing editors can alter them to call the DNB rather than Cite DNB. The one I know about to date (supplied by another editor) are: George Beattie (poet), George Steward Beatson, John Bearblock, Richard Butcher (antiquary), John Dunstall, Gabriel Dugrès, William Augustus Barron, Dubthach Maccu Lugir of which I have altered two so far George Beattie (poet) and John Bearblock.

-- PBS (talk) 12:56, 19 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Since it seems I am no longer allowed to create pages my interest is somewhat abated. However you raise some interesting points. As far as hidden maintenance categories go I was adding all the pages I create to a category called DNB drafts, as this was cited as evidence of my perfidy in creating less than perfect pages, I removed it. The use of wstitle  is something I was aware of, although not in detail. I cannot, now  I know it is an intrawiki link, condone its use.  Any linked citation should be clearly an external style link. Wiki-wiki links should only be used for matter that is in the nature of a cross-reference.  The horribly named  "DNB poster" template, for example could reasonably use this style.
 * The abandonment of the endnotes is the main solution used, however it is not particularly great. Anyone working seriously on the subject of one of these biographies will want to follow up these citations and can then, if they are so inclined, improve the referencing, without having to concern themselves overmuch with the formatting, and hopefully the content - the parenthetical referencing is much useful though, where it is employed.  In addition we can add links to the references which may or may not be outwith the scope of WS.
 * I believe WP:DNB are aware of what I have been doing, but things are very quiet there at the moment.  I have, on the other side of the coin, recently added about 2000 links from Wikisource DNB articles to their corresponding WP articles.
 * The following list of articles may be a good subset of the articles I have created.


 * Henry Duncan (minister)
 * James Grant Duff
 * Ernest, Duke of York and Albany
 * James Duff, 2nd Earl Fife
 * James Duff, 4th Earl Fife
 * Sir Robert Peake
 * William Duff (writer)
 * Daniel Duncan (physician)
 * Peter Elmsley (bookseller)
 * Henry Walton Ellis
 * Charles Richard Elrington
 * Samuel Burdon Ellis
 * Renold Elstracke
 * Charles Abraham Elton
 * Edward William Elton
 * James Frederic Elton
 * Thomas Elrington (actor)
 * John Fenwicke
 * Robert Ferguson (1799-1865)
 * Ronald Craufurd Ferguson
 * William Ferguson (1820-1887)
 * William Gouw Ferguson
 * James Fergusson (1688-1759)
 * James Fergusson (1769-1842)
 * William Fergusson (1773-1846)
 * Thomas William Fermor
 * William Fermor (1623?-1661)
 * Alfonso Ferrabosco (d.1661)
 * Henry Field (apothecary)
 * Robert Finch (1783-1830)
 * John Finlay (poet)
 * Kirkman Finlay (philhellene)
 * Finnchu
 * Joseph Firbank
 * List of contributors to the Dictionary of National Biography
 * Richard de Fishacre
 * David Fisher (1788?-1858)
 * David Fisher (1816?–1887)
 * Richard Field (1554?-1606)
 * William Fergusson (1808-1877)
 * Sir Charles Dalrymple Fergusson, 5th Baronet
 * Francis Foster Barham
 * Henry Barham
 * Edmond Barker
 * Robert Barker (1729?-1789)
 * Thomas Barker (fl. 1651)
 * Thomas Barnardiston (legal writer)
 * John Barret (d.1563)
 * Joseph Barret
 * Robert Barret
 * William Barret
 * George Barrett (actuary)
 * John Barrett (d.1810)
 * Stephen Barrett (1718 – 1801)
 * Thomas Barritt
 * William Augustus Barron
 * John Barrow (fl. 1756)
 * Thomas Barrow (Jesuit)
 * John Shipp (soldier)
 * William Drury (d.1589)
 * Andrew Duncan (1744-1828)
 * Dubhdalethe
 * Dubthach Maccu Lugir
 * William Duesbury (1725-1786)
 * Duff (d.967)
 * James Duff (Banffshire MP)
 * William Duffield
 * Edmund Butcher
 * Philip Bearcroft
 * William Beard (1772-1868)
 * Nathaniel Beardmore
 * Richard Butcher (antiquary)
 * Nicolas Gouïn Dufief
 * Richard Beatniffe
 * Gabriel Dugrès
 * Bartholomew Thomas Duhigg
 * Dunan (bishop)
 * James Dunbar (writer)
 * Robert Nugent Dunbar
 * Andrew Duncan (1773-1832)
 * John Duncan (1721-1808)
 * John Duncan (1794-1881)
 * John Duncan (1796-1870)
 * John Duncan (1805-1849)
 * Mark Duncan
 * Philip Bury Duncan
 * William Augustine Duncan
 * Robert Duncanson (1705)
 * Susanna Duncombe
 * Samuel Duncon
 * John Duncumb
 * James Dundas (d.1679)
 * Robert Dundas (Second Lord Arniston)
 * Henry Fitzgeffrey
 * John Fitzedmund Fitzgerald (d.1589)
 * Thomas Fitzmaurice (1502-1590)
 * Richard FitzPatrick, 1st Baron Gowran
 * William Fitzwilliam (1460?-1534)
 * Thomas Fleetwood (1661-1717)
 * Christopher Fleming (surgeon)
 * James Fleming (1534?-1558)
 * James Fleming (1682-1751)
 * Robert Beatson
 * James Hay Beattie
 * William Beattie (physician)
 * Samuel Astley Dunham
 * Alfred John Dunkin
 * John Dunkin
 * Alexander Dunlop (1684-1747)
 * Alexander Colquhoun-Stirling-Murray- Dunlop
 * Frances Anne Walker Dunlop
 * John Dunlop (writer)
 * William Dunlop (1692-1720)
 * Robert Dunn (surgeon)
 * Samuel Dunn (mathematician)
 * William Dunn (1770-1849)
 * John Dunstall
 * Jeffrey Dunstan
 * Charles Dunster


 * Rich Farmbrough, 16:12, 19 October 2011 (UTC).


 * Thanks for the response. -- PBS (talk) 22:44, 19 October 2011 (UTC)

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WikiHistories
Here are some relevant links regarding the WikiHistories project:


 * WikiHistories fellowship
 * The Russian Wikipedi history (English version)
 * WikiHistories fellowship announcement
 * Example of one of the individual stories

HTH,--Eloquence* 08:46, 4 August 2011 (UTC)

Mirror Bot
I see you filed an RfA for Mirror Bot at Bots/Requests for approval/Mirror Bot which has since expired. Do you plan to file a new RfA for this bot? I think this bot could be very useful. Toshio Yamaguchi (talk) 09:29, 8 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Eventually. I had the full spec written, but I was getting so much hassle on-wiki that I lost the time and inclination. Rich Farmbrough, 18:32, 9 October 2011 (UTC).


 * Notice it took a month to get any response from BAG for that BRFA, whereas other bot operators were getting full approval in 3 hours. Rich Farmbrough, 18:34, 9 October 2011 (UTC).


 * Can you tell me if I correctly understood how this works? Say I place a mirror thread at WP:VPR. Does that mean all users participating in that thread will automatically have the thread copied to their talk page and can comment in the thread by editing the mirror on their talk page? Mirror threads doesn't do a very good job at explaining this yet. Toshio Yamaguchi (talk) 19:47, 9 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Hm, you are pretty close. Basically the effect is exactly as you describe, but the thread itself is not copied around, merely a template transclusion.  We tried something like this manually, years ago, but of course there is no "you have messages" when the thread is merely transcluded.  By having a bot update the   places where it is transcluded, an appropriate edit summary can be given, and of course the user can control how often this is done.  Rich Farmbrough, 19:57, 9 October 2011 (UTC).

A beer for you

 * thanks for the beer... Rich Farmbrough, 22:32, 22 October 2011 (UTC).

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Something gone wrong?
Please try again.... Fram (talk) 08:03, 25 October 2011 (UTC)

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Proposed deletion of Bruce Kaphan


The article Bruce Kaphan has been proposed for deletion because, under Wikipedia policy, all newly created biographies of living persons must have at least one reference to a reliable source that directly supports material in the article. &#32; The nominator also raised the following concern:
 * All biographies of living people created after March 18, 2010, must have references.

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Please don't change correct links to redirects (or worse, to redlinks), don't "correct" quotes, and don't remove the end of lines
In this edit, you changed Georgia to Georgia, but the latter is a redirect to the former, and neither is visible to the reader anyway. In the same edit, you changed "Commented guitarist Billy Duffy: "We are very much looking forward to returning to our U.K. roots in many ways working with Cooking Vinyl."" to "Commented guitarist Billy Duffy: "We are very much looking forward to returning to our UK roots in many ways working with Cooking Vinyl."" even though the former is the correct quote. We shouldn't go around changing quotes to match our MoS. You do the same here, changing "PwC's US arm "was the reviewer for the U.S. filings for Satyam."" to "PwC's US arm "was the reviewer for the US filings for Satyam."" In that same edit, you also replace the correct U.S. Steel with the redirect US Steel.

Oh, and if you change U.S. to US, make sure that the abbreviation didn't come at the end of a sentence: in that case, it should be "US." of course. The same happens here.

In this edit, you change Dance Party USA to Dance Party US. Please, just don't. In that same edit, you also change two correct links to redirects.

Please be more careful with your changes of U.S. and USA to US, and check your contributions more carefully. All the above come from the 15 most recent such edits, so the rate of errors is quite high here. Fram (talk) 07:52, 25 October 2011 (UTC)


 * While you have now corrected a few of these, you create new errors in the meantime. Here you change two bluelinks to redlinks. Please, either be a lot more careful or stop this task of changing references to the US. MoS application is less important than having bluelinks, correct quotes, and so on.


 * A different and more minor issue is that you are still changing Defaultsorts for no good reason at all, since it is now case-insensitive anyway . Fram (talk) 10:33, 25 October 2011 (UTC)

Again turned a bluelink into a redlink... I have created the redirect for you, but please don't change links like that anymore. Fram (talk) 13:19, 25 October 2011 (UTC)

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Stoughton, Massachusetts article
Hi Rich. Might you have a look at this? User:204.144.15.20 keeps inserting a person "Christina Anastos" into "Notable people" in the Stoughton, Massachusetts article. I googled the person and not much came up. I reverted out the person but User:204.144.15.20 keeps re-inserting it. The IP address (204.144.15.20) is from Stonehill College where it would appear Christina Anastos is a student (see this link: http://www.stonehillskyhawks.com/news/2010-11/ADHR_Fall10 ) Nevertheless, the anonymous editor keeps adding "Christina Anastos - Javelin extraordinaire, competitive cyclist" to the article. Please advise and/or take action. Bests. --- (Bob) Wikiklrsc (talk) 17:57, 25 October 2011 (UTC)
 * I left a note. Always tricky with schools, this seems to be a low volume, mainly white-hat school. Rich Farmbrough, 21:41, 25 October 2011 (UTC).


 * Thanks, Rich. Indeed so it seems. However, it seemed fiddly prima facie. Bests --- (Bob) Wikiklrsc (talk) 21:44, 25 October 2011 (UTC)

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WikiProject Dictionary of National Biography/Templates
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