Wikipedia:Teahouse/Questions/Archive 1167

1939 MLB (major league baseball) season change
Hello. Go to that article. I want to make a slight change to the Washington Senators won-loss record, but cant access the template for the standings in page information. Can you help me? Thank you.Theairportman33531 (talk) 12:48, 8 October 2022 (UTC)


 * @Theairportman33531 Hello, and welcome to the Teahouse! I had a little trouble finding the article that you are referring to, but I believe that you should be referring to 1939 Washington Senators season and the template being Template:1939 American League standings or Template:1939 AL Record vs. opponents. You should go to the template page and edit from there, and the changes would be reflected on the article itself when the edit is published. Jolly1253 (talk) 13:02, 8 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Yes, you are correct, edit done. Thank you for your help and have a great day!Theairportman33531 (talk) 14:07, 8 October 2022 (UTC)

Reliable Source
Why is GenealogyBank not a reliable source if a copy of the original new article is posted? Cjmodica (talk) 16:40, 8 October 2022 (UTC)


 * Hello @Cjmodica and welcome to the Teahouse. Assuming this is about Draft:Tommy Byars.
 * Never heard of GenealogyBank and I don't have access, but per they are partly some sort of newspaper archive, is it newspaper articles you want to use as a source? If so, for example your current refs 2 and 3 doesn't make this clear, they just say ex. "Beaumont, TX. 4 Sep 1944.", you need at least to add the name of the paper.
 * I know of no reason why this site shouldn't "count" as a WP:PAYWALLED newspaper archive, but there may be one. Ping @Theroadislong. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 18:00, 8 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Family history sites like https://www.genealogybank.com are not usually considered reliable because they are user edited. Happy to be persuaded other wise though. Theroadislong (talk) 18:18, 8 October 2022 (UTC)

Is my draft References Okay?
Can a admin tell me if my draft's References are okay? Wikikoolr (talk) 03:42, 7 October 2022 (UTC)


 * Jolly1253 (talk) 03:51, 7 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Yes that's my page Wikikoolr (talk) 03:53, 7 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Can someone help!? Wikikoolr (talk) 04:07, 7 October 2022 (UTC)
 * @Wikikoolr Hello, and welcome to the Teahouse! Looking at the available sources, I would say that they would be considered as primary sources, which would be not enough for proving notability of the subject of the article.
 * (Note: for the draft above, it was previously declined as a duplicate of Draft:Nintendo Switch, and the reviewer left this and this as comments. All three were subsequently removed.) Jolly1253 (talk) 04:09, 7 October 2022 (UTC)
 * HOW IS THAT A COPY??? MY PAGE IS FOR INFORMATION NOT PLAGIARISM AND THE INFO IS FROM NINTENDO.COM???WTF THATS PERFECT INFO FROM A TRUSTED SOURCE AND COVERS EVERY PART OF MY ARTICLE Wikikoolr (talk) 04:14, 7 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Wikikoolr, please don't SHOUT! And please note that Wikipedia is not interested in what the subject of an article says or wants to say about themselves, or what their associates say about them. Wikipedia is only interested in what people who have no connection with the subject, and who have not been prompted or fed information on behalf of the subject, have chosen to publish about the subject in reliable sources.
 * An article about the errors is possible only if several people unconnected with Nintendo have written Significant coverage about the errors. Please see WP:INDISCRIMINATE. ColinFine (talk) 04:34, 7 October 2022 (UTC)
 * All consoles will fail if hardware is missing. David10244 (talk) 08:50, 7 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Hi . First, please try not to post in all capital letter because it's considered by many to be equivalent to shouting at someone. As for Draft:Nintendo Switch Errors, there is already a Wikipedia article about Nintendo Switch and perhaps information about errors should for be added there instead. Wikipedia articles are not really intended to be user guides or error reports and why it might be OK to add such information to the primary article about the console, there seems to be very little need to create a separate article about such a thing unless it can be clearly demonstrated that reliable secondary sources have been giving the subject matter significant coverage. Nintendo's official website is considered to be a primary source in this case and thus is not sufficent for establishing Wikipedia:Notability. The content Nintendo posted is almost certainly true, but it's not what's needed a create stand-alone article about this type of thing. Your best course of action is probably to start a discussion about this at Talk:Nintendo Switch and see if others can help you figure out a good way to incorporate such information in the main article about the console. -- Marchjuly (talk) 04:39, 7 October 2022 (UTC)
 * At least you were nice about it. Wikikoolr (talk) 05:16, 7 October 2022 (UTC)
 * @Wikikoolr There is an even more relevant article at Nintendo Switch system software, as you already know. As a newcomer to Wikipedia editing, you may want to "make your mark" by adding a new article but in this case adding information to existing articles would be better as you gain experience. Mike Turnbull (talk) 13:00, 7 October 2022 (UTC)
 * No I'm not trying to "Make My Mark", As you said. I am simply just trying to provide good info for people that want to hear about the interesting things about an article With not trying to earn any applause or recognition by my article. Wikikoolr (talk) 19:27, 7 October 2022 (UTC)
 * There's nothing particularly wrong with wanting to do such a thing as long as you can do so in accordance with relevant Wikipedia policies and guidelines. There are lots of articles which could be created if the the only requirement was to provide good info for people that want to hear about the interesting things, but that's not how Wikipedia has been set up to work. There are WP:ALTERNATIVEs to Wikipedia which might be more suited for what you want to do if what you want to do isn't really something Wikipedia allows. -- Marchjuly (talk) 21:06, 8 October 2022 (UTC)

Can an editor help me with references on my article
Can an editor help me with references on my article Wikikoolr (talk) 03:26, 8 October 2022 (UTC)

Can Some one help?Wikikoolr (talk) 04:24, 8 October 2022 (UTC)


 * @Wikikoolr: see help:referencing for beginners. lettherebedarklight, 晚安, おやすみ, ping me when replying 04:34, 8 October 2022 (UTC)

@User:lettherebedarklight Ik but that does not help? I am asking for help with references on my article. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Wikikoolr (talk • contribs) 04:40, 8 October 2022 (UTC)


 * Um, Hello? Wikikoolr (talk) 05:40, 8 October 2022 (UTC)
 * , in my opinion, your draft at Draft:Nintendo Switch Errors is about a topic which simply does not have the WP:Notability to ever become an article. What you should probably do, is just merge whatever verifiable content you have into the Nintendo Switch, along with some citations. Mathglot (talk) 06:00, 8 October 2022 (UTC)
 * No I can't do that bc editors would delete my additions Wikikoolr (talk) 07:07, 8 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Don't say otherwise bc I will try and I guarantee you they will delete it. Golden. (talk) 07:28, 8 October 2022 (UTC)|Golden. (talk) 07:28, 8 October 2022 (UTC)]] (Golden. (talk) 07:28, 8 October 2022 (UTC)|talk]]) 07:08, 8 October 2022 (UTC)
 * @Wikikoolr By my count 1 2 3, this is the fourth time you have asked essentially the same question at the Teahouse and been given the same advice, which you have refused to follow. You have attempted to insert the information into the Nintendo Switch article but this has been reverted, in part because you made it the very first thing that readers would see, rather than placing it in a more appropriate place and citing your sources correctly. Wikipedia asks that contributors show a certain level of competence and while Teahouse hosts are willing to assist newcomers, our patience will run out if the advice given is not followed. Mike Turnbull (talk) 12:27, 8 October 2022 (UTC)
 * As you "predicted" in you last post, the content you added was removed by another editor; however, the reasons for its removal are probably not what you think they are. Since you added a new section of unsourced content in a very visible location at the top of a fairly well-developed article which seems to have a number of watchers, it wouldn't have been too hard to predict someone would WP:REVERT your edit. All article content on Wikipedia is required to be verifiable (except in certain cases), and the way this is done is by providing a citations to reliable sources in support. Even if absolutely positively sure that the content is 100% true, it still needs to be verifiable for it to not be considered original research. Unsourced content sometimes ends up being quickly removed by WP:BOTs or human editors and the WP:BURDEN is on the person adding the content to make sure of the following two things: (1) that it's supported by a citation to a reliable source (ideally a WP:SECONDARY reliable source) and the source is used in proper context and (2) that the content, even if reliably sourced, is encyclopedically relevant to the reader per WP:NOTEVERYTHING and written in a WP:NPOV. Obviously different people may disagree on both of those two things, which is why each article has its own corresponding talk page where such matters can be discussed. Wikipedia wants us to be WP:BOLD in trying to improve articles, but sometimes we also need to be WP:CAUTIOUS when trying to make big changes to an article. In addition, when someone is BOLD in trying to improve an article, but then is subsequently reverted by another editor, the WP:ONUS falls upon the person wanting to make the edit (except in certain cases) to start a discussion about the matter on the article's talk page to see whether a WP:CONSENSUS can be established in favor of doing so. Of course, anyone can start such a discussion, but, in common practice, it's the person wanting to make the edit that is expected to do so. This is why I still think (as I posted above in WP:THQ) that the best thing for you to do in this situation would be to start a discussion at Talk: Nintendo Switch about the content you want to add to the article. If there's a way for such content to be properly added to the article, most likely others will help figure out how to best do so. If there's no consensus in favor of adding the content, then it will continue to be removed no matter how many times you try to do so and eventually someone (most likely you) will end up blocked for edit warring. Finally, as mentioned above, there's no need to start multiple Teahouse discussions about essentially the same topic if it's possible to discuss everything in the same discussion thread. Keeping everything in one discussion can help avoid confusion as well as redundant answers since it's much easier for those trying to sort things out to see what's been posted so far. Please keep this in mind for future reference. The Teahouse is intended to be a friendly place to try and seek assistance for more experienced users when you're having problems. The Teahouse, however, isn't really set up for long in-depth discussions that span multiple threads and go on for multiple days; so, more detailed discussions sometimes need to take place somewhere else (e.g. an article talk page) where they can be dealt with better. Please also try and keep that in mind for future reference. -- Marchjuly (talk) 21:56, 8 October 2022 (UTC)

my article got declined
I AM DEMORALISED BY THIS CAN YOU HELP Itzinitial (talk) 18:08, 8 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Hello, . Your draft article was unreferenced and contradictory. A Google Books search does not show anyone named Callum Ward associated with the Titanic. Is your draft fictional? Cullen328 (talk) 18:18, 8 October 2022 (UTC)

images when searching
Hi, when I search Wikipedia, the results now contain an image next to each article. There are several reasons why that's problematic. How do I get rid of this? And is there a way to opt out so that new features don't get automatically applied to my account? Thank you! Dr. Vogel (talk) 22:42, 8 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. I don't know how to alter the search, but WP:NOSEE describes how to prevent the display of images in general, maybe it affects the search. I don't think there is a way to "opt out" of new features automatically; features can be adjusted in your account preferences(when possible). 331dot (talk) 00:41, 9 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Hi, thank you. One solution to get rid of this very useful feature has been described here. Dr. Vogel (talk) 00:47, 9 October 2022 (UTC)

Secondary source?
Would this be considered a secondary source, and could i create a page with this, or is it primary?

https://www.krqe.com/entertainment-news/youtuber-talks-first-book-cheese-puffs/ Shazanak8 (talk) 21:40, 8 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Hello, . An interview with an author who is promoting her book is a primary source. It is also not an independent source. It does not establish notability. Cullen328 (talk) 21:52, 8 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Hello Shazanak8. I looked at the Amazon link for the novel and see that it is self-published. (The author's name is the publisher.) I have many novelist friends, and know that excellent books are published-on-demand for a small outlay of money, but unless a book makes a best seller list, or is reviewed in major newspapers or magazines, it is unlikely to ever meet Wikipedia's notability guidelines. A dear friend of mine has had 26 book published, and she is very important to her family and friends, but unless one of her novels is made into a major movie she'll never be notable enough for an online encyclopedia article. I wouldn't recommend trying to write an article about the novel you are interested in. Karenthewriter (talk) 22:57, 8 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Thank you both. I was looking to make a article about the author herself since she is also an actress but I can wait until she gains notability, if she does. Shazanak8 (talk) 01:19, 9 October 2022 (UTC)

MY BUSINESS INFORMATION REJECTED
User talk:Kiwumulo

Hello, I joined Wikipedia in 2021 and I have been trying to create a company wiki article not an advert, but the two sentences have been termed as articles and my submission has been rejected Kiwumulo (talk) 01:15, 9 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. I'm afraid that you have a common misunderstanding about what Wikipedia is. It isn't a place to merely document the existence of a company. That's considered promotional here, you don't have to be soliciting customers or selling something. A Wikipedia article about a company must summarize what independent reliable sources with significant coverage have chosen on their own to say about the company, showing how it meets Wikipedia's special definition of a notable company. "Significant coverage" goes beyond merely documenting existence ot the activities ofnthe company, and goes into detail about why the company is significant or influential. Please read Your First Article. 331dot (talk) 01:22, 9 October 2022 (UTC)

GA bot
Hello! I’ve recently started doing GA reviews, I wanted to know how long does it normally take for the bot to add the GA icon on the top of the article and how long does take for the the bot to send a GA notice?  Orson12345 (Talk • Contribs) 00:51, 9 October 2022 (UTC)


 * It takes a few days usually. Sometimes the bot doesn’t always work, so if the bot doesn’t act after a week, you should add Template:Good Article at the bottom of the page, and inform the nominator. Cheers!  &ddagger; Night Watch &omega;     (talk)   01:48, 9 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Alright, thank you very much.  Orson12345 (Talk • Contribs) 01:57, 9 October 2022 (UTC)

Question about WP:BRD
Hello, I have tried to add an infobox to a page (Teal independents) with the edit being reverted, I have then since created a discussion on the articles talk page (Talk:Teal independents#Adding an infobox). Five days have elapsed and both of the other editors concerned with the edit have been active and have not responded. How should now go about reinstating the infobox? (ie. what should the edit summary be? Should I wait longer?) - Yours Faithfully, GA Melbourne ( T | C ) 12:37, 7 October 2022 (UTC)


 * @GA Melbourne You did get one reply, so it would be reasonable to re-add the infobox if you think it would be of value to the reader of the article. The editor who reverted you previously would certainly comment in the Talk Page if they did so again. You didn't take my earlier suggestion of pinging them but that is not mandatory. The edit summary should mention that there is a current Talk page discussion. Mike Turnbull (talk) 12:46, 7 October 2022 (UTC)
 * @Mike Turnbull: I did both the & @User:username did that not ping them? - Yours Faithfully, GA Melbourne ( T | C ) 12:57, 7 October 2022 (UTC)

u|GA Melbourne, the above didn't ping me, so perhaps the rather odd syntax for your signature is having an adverse effect. Try to ping me to your Talk Page if you want to test things further.... Mike Turnbull (talk) 17:15, 7 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Contrary to what Mike Turnbull wrote above, I do not think it would be reasonable to re-add the infobox. ’s post is clearly against adding the infobox, and I can imagine that they did not feel the need to answer to your subsequent argument (which is not very high on the hierarchy of disagreement). Maybe they can clarify, but I do not think you can presume you convinced them because of their silence.
 * You might want to elicit further discussion instead - for instance by posting a notice for WP:AUSTRALIA. Tigraan Click here for my talk page ("private" contact) 12:50, 7 October 2022 (UTC)
 * @Tigraan: Yes, I don't think I convinced them and I don't feel comfortable re-adding the infobox with more of a consensus (hence my being here). I'll put a notice on WP:AUSTRALIA and see where that goes. Thank you for your help and kindness. - Yours Faithfully, GA Melbourne ( T | C ) 13:10, 7 October 2022 (UTC)
 * @GA Melbourne: Hi mate. I'm sorry if my lack of response has been something of a road block to your editing, I understand it can be annoying when you want something to happen and no one engages on talk. Tigraan is correct, in that I didn't feel I needed to respond, you had laid out your reasoning (infobox would show many teals in Parliament) and I had laid out mine (wouldn't add clarity for reader). I had been expecting that someone else would come along and provide an opinion and see what consensus would form.
 * As this hasn't happened, I will go and put my reasoning in more depth.
 * For the future if you've put something on talk and no one is engaging Requests for comment is a really great resource to establish consensus, as is Third opinion. Tomorrow and tomorrow (talk) 22:16, 7 October 2022 (UTC)
 * @Tomorrow and tomorrow Thank you for your clarification and thank you for the links, I'm sure they will prove to be handy in future!
 * Cheers for the help - Yours Faithfully, GA Melbourne ( T | C ) 09:15, 9 October 2022 (UTC)

2: 1) was a user of Netflix for long time, and see judgment news against them, can I get listed there?
just general comments and ?? 2: 1) was a user of Netflix for long time, and see judgment news against them, can I get listed there? 2_) How does one edit a page, if i want to see it improved... I see this a bunch but am totally at a loss how to improve someone else's page... (plus i am reluctant to tread on their work..) can u provide the method, and when is it right to fix up someone's work, when i think i know better about things.. (i have a PhD in physics= BS from MIT and PhD from UC Berkeley .) So, I see plenty that could stand improving, on the other hand u guys do a GREAT JOB/service with your site. ken schatten Kenneth Schatten (talk) 02:48, 9 October 2022 (UTC)


 * Kenneth Schatten, what do you mean by "2: 1", by "judgment news", by yourself "getting listed" somewhere, and by "there"? You're welcome to fix my work when (i) you can cite reliable sources for what you want to add, and (ii) my work (a) has cited no sources, (b) has misrepresented sources (implied that they say this or that when they actually do not), or (c) has cited demonstrably unreliable or otherwise inferior sources. For how to edit, please see Help:Contents. -- Hoary (talk) 03:32, 9 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Kenneth Schatten With certain restrictions, any editor can edit any page. There is no ownership. See WP:BRD for the concept of being bold in your edits, but if reverted, discuss on the talk page of the article. Many editors have advanced degrees (I have three from MIT). That has no weight. Changes to articles need to be supported by reliable source references. Original research, i.e., "when i think i know better about things..." will be reverted even if true. Removing referenced content you believe to be wrong is a no-no unless you provide a valid explanation in your Edit summary. A tip: practice creating refs in your Sandbox, and only after the ref is properly formated, copy it into the article. David notMD (talk) 11:20, 9 October 2022 (UTC)

Personal Wiki ready for Approval?
Draft:Satanic Network Forums

Hello Wikipedia and TeaHouse, I have recently created a forum on Theistic Satanism, and I am thinking of making SN Network a brand name. So I wanted to get the Website and Brand documented on Wikipedia.

I know that you're not supposed to upload personal topics with conflict of interest, and I have to clearly state it, so I stated the COI on my Profile Page and in the Summary of the Wiki.

What I am wondering is, will it be approved? How long will it take to be approved? Will Wikipedia delete it rather than post it?

If you can help I would appreciate it: XeroXipher (talk) 03:37, 8 October 2022 (UTC)


 * @XeroXipher: there is no way the draft would be accepted. first of all, the article is written in a promotional style, not allowed on wiki. quotes such as We will be hiring more staff in the future when we see the more loyal members of our forums. are promotional, and you write in first person, also not allowed. and you cannot write in second person either, such as in If you are a loyal Theistic Satanist.
 * also, you need at least two reliable, independent sources that cover the subject significantly. the only source in the article is a primary source that does not establish notability.
 * the draft will be rejected, due to issues regarding text, sourcing, and notability. lettherebedarklight, 晚安, おやすみ, ping me when replying 04:33, 8 October 2022 (UTC)

I just took a look at it and the page looks good but make sure you follow the rules. ("Wikikoolr")uhg trouble with visual editor. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Wikikoolr (talk • contribs) 03:54, 8 October 2022 (UTC)
 * The page has been deleted as unambiguous promotion. ~Anachronist (talk) 06:13, 8 October 2022 (UTC)
 * @Wikikoolr I think you are a bit too new, as an editor, to recognize good articles. The more you read here, the easier it will be to evaluate the quality. David10244 (talk) 12:21, 9 October 2022 (UTC)

Article Declined
Hello Team. I need your help on the bio article i made and submitted to be reviewed and get declined for the third time after doing all the modifications still.

This is the article: Draft:King Mats - I would love some one here to kindly help me with what i change for the article to be accepted. I will be grateful

Thank you Luckimatic (talk) 14:03, 9 October 2022 (UTC)
 * @Luckimatic: The draft has only been declined once, and while I'm not an AFC reviewer, I can see why: the references you use go to website homepages, which fail to verify whatever information you're referencing it to. I myself find the draft to be inappropriately written for an encyclopedia: phrases like dream job, [f]or the love of music, and that's when he realized have no place being used in the encyclopedia's voice. — Tenryuu 🐲  ( 💬 • 📝 ) 14:14, 9 October 2022 (UTC)
 * I have checked the citations too and not a single one supports any of the content. Theroadislong (talk) 14:28, 9 October 2022 (UTC)
 * I get it now, Let me try to modify it again.
 * Thank you for your help Luckimatic (talk) 14:29, 9 October 2022 (UTC)

New Ask
Hi There Does anyone know if an article on an ancient bridge achieves a notability or not? Knowing that it was destroyed by floods and was rebuilt more than once, many Persian sources mention that the Sassanids, who lived in the period between (226-651) AD, built the bridge 1600 years ago, i.e. in the third century AD. Ahmedadeljaff (talk) 15:16, 9 October 2022 (UTC)


 * Hello, Ahmedadeljaff, and welcome to the Teahouse! If there are a good amount of reliable sources that give significant coverage of the bridge, then it will most likely pass the general notability guideline. Hope this helps!
 * Asparagusus  (interaction)  15:45, 9 October 2022 (UTC)

Article help
Hello Teahouse. I need help with an article I made. Draft:Jeff Ruby I felt that I was finished with it and submitted it for review. I waited for weeks for a review but realized I can submit it myself in what is called the article space? But I guess that is not the correct way to do it. I'm also unsure if I have a conflict of interest. I have met him a few times so I suppose I do have one? I don't know how to go about this. I made a Wikipedia account to edit the Cincinnati Reds page and decided to make a page for Jeff on a whim. I thought I did a good job with it. RickstarG (talk) 13:48, 9 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. Yes, if you are in communication with the article subject, you have a conflict of interest. Typically, articles are created without any involvement from, or even the knowledge of, the subject, because their main purpose is to summarize what independent reliable sources say about the topic.
 * Even if you technically are able to directly create articles in the main encyclopedia, unless you have extensive experience in creating articles, it is highly advised that you use the draft submission process so you work out problems now. 331dot (talk) 13:56, 9 October 2022 (UTC)
 * User:RickstarG - First, you may have made a mistake that is common to new editors, and that is thinking that you should write with enthusiasm about your subject. You wrote as if you had interviewed the subject, because you had interviewed the subject, and so your article reads like it was written by a paid editor.  Wikipedia is written  from a neutral point of view, not from a positive or enthusiastic point of view.  Second, after you put the article directly in article space, User:Praxidicae moved it back to draft space.  If a reviewer moves an article from article space to draft space, moving it back to article space is seen as tendentious, and further looks like the behavior of a paid editor.  Actually, Praxidicae moved it to draft space twice, and User:I dream of horses moved it back to draft space once.  It would have been better to ask for advice earlier.  You wrote non-neutrally, and were move-warring.  Robert McClenon (talk) 20:12, 9 October 2022 (UTC)

Question regarding reliable resources
Hello there, and thank you so much for your help in advance!

I got this review before: I don't see anything there that would make this person inherently notable (if I've missed something, please point out), therefore notability must be established via WP:GNG which requires significant coverage in multiple independent, reliable, secondary sources. Arguably none of the sources cited meets these criteria.

I do think the person is notable enough as she is writing books for children to be prepared for natural hazards, climate change, etc. She has been working with different organizations such as UNDRR, UNICEF, World Vision, the World Meteorological Organization, among others. All these organizations add input to the books.

There are a few articles about her because she does not focus on her image, but on her work. Here is the article I'm working on: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Martha_Keswick

Any suggestions will be appreciated. Many Thanks!!

Lina Suarez Lina Suarez Velez (talk) 15:02, 8 October 2022 (UTC)
 * As you acknowledge above, the refs you incorporated are about her books or her collaborators, but not at any length, about her. David notMD (talk) 23:13, 8 October 2022 (UTC)


 * Hello, ! I think you might be suffering from a very common misunderstanding about what Wikipedia means by "Notable" and "Notability" (please click on that link and read the Guideline document it takes you to). It has nothing directly to do with how important, or meritorious, or even famous a person (or other subject) is.
 * In terms or creating Wikipedia articles, it only means "has had sufficient written about them (or it) at length (i.e. paragraphs-worth) by people unconnected with them that has been published (or broadcast) in several (preferably 3+) reliably edited newspapers and/or magazines, journals, books, media documentaries, etc., from which the text of an article can be summarised, and to which most of it can be cited.
 * This means that for an article about Martha Keswick, several pieces have to have been published that have substantial information about Martha Keswick herself, rather than about her books. Also (as we say) "notability is not inherited", which means that working with or using material from notable organisations does not make her notable by association.
 * Of course, this means that if publishers (or broadcasters) have not sufficiently covered her (even if they should have in your or my opinion), there will not be enough published information about her on which to base a Wikipedia article. This may be be unfortunate, but it is the criterion which Wikipedia follows in order to assess whether or not any subject is eligible for an article.
 * It may be that there is suitable published material out there which you just haven't found yet. Or maybe there isn't so far, but will be in the future (see WP:Too soon).
 * It's also possible that some of her books have been sufficiently reviewed, or otherwise written about, that an acceptable article about them could be created (and of course such an article could include some information about her). In fact, glancing at your Draft's references, I suspect this is probably the case: maybe you could rewrite the draft to focus primarily on the books rather than their author? Hope this helps. {The poster formerly known as 87.81.230.195} 90.193.128.129 (talk) 03:50, 9 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Thank you so much David for your answer. I appreciated you taking time to check my draft. I did try once to have a wikipedia about the books, but I got rejected because it was seen as "advertisement". I will try again to do this as I have enough articles about the books. Many thanks again! Lina Suarez Velez (talk) 17:54, 9 October 2022 (UTC)
 * It is possible for books to be notable when the author is not. I once tried to write a draft about an author but all the significant coverage I found was about his books, and the only information about the author was from his own web page, so naturally my draft was declined. The reviewer suggested that I recast the draft to be about the books instead of about the author. I let it sit for a year, then I did rewrite it, and it was a much better article as a result. So if an author's books have reviews or have been in a significant bestseller list, it may be better to write about the books. That may not be the case for Martha Keswick, however.
 * It's different for music, though. For a musical recording (song, album, whatever) to have an article, the artist must have an article first. Such isn't the case for authors, it can go either way. ~Anachronist (talk) 21:54, 9 October 2022 (UTC)
 * It's not quite accurate to say that an artist must be notable for their work to be notable, but it is incredibly rare for a notable song to have a non-notable artist (with the exception of very old or folk music). signed,Rosguill talk 22:01, 9 October 2022 (UTC)

Draft help
Hello... How can I edit the draft I created so that it is not rejected in the publication? I used specific sources, please help me. Draft:Mehran Taha Shirin1988 (talk) 21:11, 9 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Please read Golden rule carefully. I don't see any of your sources that qualify. Directory listings, trivial mentions, and Google search links, interviews, and personal websites are irrelevant for establishing notability. ~Anachronist (talk) 21:16, 9 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Can you tell me the important sources, for example, what are they? Shirin1988 (talk) 21:18, 9 October 2022 (UTC)
 * I don't see any relevant sources in your draft. See if you can find any in-depth reviews of his work, or anything else that provides in-depth coverage. Which sources did you cite that meet the requirements in Golden rule? Also, look at the criteria in WP:MUSICBIO and if he meets any of those criteria, write about it and provide proof by citing sources. All you have done is establish that he exists, not that he is notable. ~Anachronist (talk) 21:34, 9 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Are the singer's Instagram, Facebook, etc. links considered as a source? Shirin1988 (talk) 21:39, 9 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Not for notability, no. Those sources can be used, but only to verify statements that the singer says about himself. To establish notability, sources must be independent of the subject. They must also be reliable and provide significant coverage. Your question suggests that you haven't read or understood Golden rule, which I have linked three times now in this conversation. Please read the links; they are there for a reason. ~Anachronist (talk) 21:44, 9 October 2022 (UTC)
 * I'm sorry to bother you, I read the one you sent, I'm just confused about what sources??? Is it possible to post a link of the singer's performances in concert and even on the TV channel??? And is the country where it was performed important? Shirin1988 (talk) 21:49, 9 October 2022 (UTC)
 * What's important is what others have published about the subject. For a musician this could be reviews in magazines and newspapers, for instance. Madeline (part of me ) 21:59, 9 October 2022 (UTC)
 * If you cannot find sources that write in depth about the subject (not concert listings, track listings, google searches, performance recordings on Youtube, or anything that isn't about the subject) then perhaps he doesn't merit an article here. Can you find independent reviews? Evidence that his songs are played in regular rotation on radio? Do television stations regularly broadcast his performances? Does he meet any of the criteria listed in WP:MUSICBIO? If not, then it may be too soon for a Wikipedia article about him. ~Anachronist (talk) 22:12, 9 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Thank you... I'm trying to find reliable sources. Thank you very much for your guidance Shirin1988 (talk) 22:15, 9 October 2022 (UTC)

Who can uses talk pages?
When I see someone do something stupid someone with hundreds of edits yell at them. Do you need to be an administrator to uses someone’s talk page? LuxembourgLover (talk) 14:55, 9 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. User talk pages are for editors to communicate with each other; any editor may generally post on the user talk page of any other editor. 331dot (talk) 14:57, 9 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Editors should not yell at other editors (as in using CAPITAL LETTERS), nor personal attack in any way. David notMD (talk) 01:16, 10 October 2022 (UTC)

how to...
how do and can i make a wikipedia page? i want to contribute

Spamton neo (talk) 21:18, 9 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Start out by reading Wikipedia articles and improving them in small ways where you see a need to improve them. Also visit Your first article for guidance on how to create an article. ~Anachronist (talk) 21:23, 9 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Hello Spamton neo, and welcome to the Teahouse. Creating a new article is not the only way to contribute to Wikipedia, and to be honest, an editor who tries to create an article before they have learnt enough about how Wikipedia works is likely to have a frustrating time, and even if they are lucky enough to have chosen a subject which meets Wikipedia's criteria for notability and created an article that sticks, they will probably have contributed far less to Wikipedia than if they had spent the same effort on making improvements to existing articles and learning along the way. ColinFine (talk) 02:54, 10 October 2022 (UTC)

Is it possible to request deletion of old edit history that is deeply offensive?
I have noticed that these days if an edit is very gross/insulting it is sometimes deleted entirely from view, is it possible to request that be done for old edit history on a page? ★Trekker (talk) 14:35, 8 October 2022 (UTC)
 * See Revision deletion and Oversight. Madeline (part of me ) 16:11, 8 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Thank you.★Trekker (talk) 16:49, 8 October 2022 (UTC)
 * It depends, but keep in mind that Wikipedia is not censored. It refers to images that are offensive but sometimes the edit revision can be deleted if it is something that is offensive that was not needed. Cwater1 (talk) 03:19, 10 October 2022 (UTC)

adding new page and article on Wikipedia
I would like to add an article about a place I have come across in Dubai because it is unique and I think is work adding along with its creators and owners. can you please advise what will be the process? 2001:8F8:1B6B:E947:A80D:CD0B:7409:C6FA (talk) 05:42, 10 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Hello. Please read and study Your first article. Writing an acceptable Wikipedia article is more challenging than you might think. If I can give you just one piece of advice, it is that the quality of the independent, reliable sources than devote significant coverage to your topic is by far the most important factor. Refeences to high quality sources make up the backbone of an acceptable Wikipedia article. Everything else is secondary. Cullen328 (talk) 06:25, 10 October 2022 (UTC)

Adding Categories
Can another category and new information be added to an article once it is listed on Wikipedia? Cjmodica (talk) 01:16, 10 October 2022 (UTC)
 * They can be added at any time. -- Hoary (talk) 01:52, 10 October 2022 (UTC)
 * All WP-articles are works in progress. "If you create or edit an article, others can make changes." Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 06:43, 10 October 2022 (UTC)

SUBMIT WIKIPEDIA ARTICLE
I wanted to submit an Wikipedia article for Khosi Ngema, who's one the main actresses in Blood & Water. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Khosi_Ngema MarcusMoore360 (talk) 06:55, 9 October 2022 (UTC)


 * ( i am not a teahouse host but i will try to help) so umm have you written a draft first? Abdullah raji (talk) 07:39, 9 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Also i forgot to mension, have you been on wikipedia for more than 4 days and 10 edits? because you need that to start writing a proper draft. Abdullah raji (talk) 07:42, 9 October 2022 (UTC)
 * The article already exists here Khosi Ngema. Theroadislong (talk) 07:46, 9 October 2022 (UTC)
 * umm ok, so i seem to not understand anything so. umm are there any problems with the article. Abdullah raji (talk) 07:48, 9 October 2022 (UTC)
 * oh wait Abdullah raji (talk) 07:49, 9 October 2022 (UTC)
 * New articles are noindexed until they have been reviewed by a new page patroler, or 90 days pass, whichever comes first. Khosi Ngema can still be found using Wikipedia's own search engine. Victor Schmidt (talk) 08:04, 9 October 2022 (UTC)
 * , can I ask where you got the information about her schooling and family from? You need to cite the source for that. Cordless Larry (talk) 08:33, 9 October 2022 (UTC)
 * , your failure to answer my question makes me concerned that you might have a conflict of interest, which I see several other editors have raised on your talk page. Could you please clarify whether you have some relationship with the subjects you're writing about and, if not, where you're getting details of their personal lives and family backgrounds from? Cordless Larry (talk) 07:03, 10 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Hey Larry,
 * I hope all is well. I got it from Savanna News it was cited in the article. here is the link again. I have no relationship with this person.
 * https://savannanews.com/khosi-ngema-biography-age-instagram-blood-water-net-worth/ MarcusMoore360 (talk) 07:17, 10 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Thank you for replying, . That doesn't look like a reliable source to me (it appears the information might be scraped automatically from other sites), but it also doesn't appear to mention her siblings. Cordless Larry (talk) 07:20, 10 October 2022 (UTC)


 * Anyone may write and submit a draft via Articles for Creation; the limitation you describe is only on creating articles directly. 331dot (talk) 08:53, 9 October 2022 (UTC)

Should I stop editing?
Should I stop editing as this editor has advised? Draft talk:Middle East International Padres Hana (talk) 17:00, 8 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Welcome to the Teahouse, . I'm not sure I understand the point of your original post in that thread. Is your argument that the publication is notable because it's cited in lots of Wikipedia articles? If so, that's not really a valid argument. Notability on Wikipedia is judged by whether a topic has been the subject of significant coverage in independent, reliable sources. A publication could be considered a reliable source for Wikipedia articles without itself being notable. Cordless Larry (talk) 17:07, 8 October 2022 (UTC)
 * The original point I was trying to make is that I have used this publication as a source in a number of articles and thought some readers might want a little more about who wrote/published the information. I accept that Draft:MEI doesn’t meet Wikipedia’s standards of notability or that it is backed up by reliable sources and eventually this draft will disappear. I will have to add paragraphs to the articles on those involved in the publication and add this information as a footnotes to articles were MEI is quoted multiple times. I am approaching you at the Help Desk for an opinion as how I should respond to the suggestion that I should stop contributing to Wikipedia. Padres Hana (talk) 19:47, 8 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Hello, . I think that the recommendation was that you stop adding this specific source to as many articles as possible, not that you should stop editing Wikipedia. I agree with that advice. Cullen328 (talk) 19:52, 8 October 2022 (UTC)
 * But I am not trying to add this source to as many articles as possible. I keep on learning details that are pertinent to certain articles. Padres Hana (talk) 21:50, 8 October 2022 (UTC)
 * You have added that same source to over 100 articles. That looks an awful lot like spamming. Cullen328 (talk) 21:56, 8 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Why is it spamming when the references are to different articles by different reporters? eg Jim Muir, Helena Cobban, Peretz Kidron, Donald Neff etc Padres Hana (talk) 08:45, 9 October 2022 (UTC)
 * You are adding citations to your own work. That is spamming. You are adding links to the same publication in numerous places. That is spamming. You are doing this with a conflict of interest because they are your own works (at least that's what you seem to say on the talk page linked at the top of this section). That is definitely spamming. When you have a conflict of interest regarding a source, the best practice is to propose the addition on the article talk page, not add it yourself. You haven't been asked to stop editing, but to stop spamming. If you continue spamming, you will be stopped from editing entirely and by force, because your account will be blocked. I confess I am surprised that I have to write this reply at all, because you seem to be an experienced editor here. So perhaps I have misunderstood something. ~Anachronist (talk) 21:59, 9 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Assume good faith Padres Hana (talk) 11:20, 10 October 2022 (UTC)

How to order list articles
Hello friends. I want to improve List of deists and one of its problems is that it is in no particular order. However I have seen lists of people that are based on their birth year, what they are known for, or just alphabetized. Is this just a style choice or is there a preferred way depending on the article? Thanks. mossypiglet (talk) Go blue! 20:22, 9 October 2022 (UTC)
 * It's a choice based on context. A list of people might be ordered alphabetically, chronologically, or by region, whatever makes the most sense for the list. Sometimes the list can be split into two articles, such as list of coups and coup attempts (chronological) and list of coups and coup attempts by country, because each one imparts useful information in its own way. For list of Deists, what would most people likely be looking for? Names or dates? Those are the two most logical ways to organize the list. ~Anachronist (talk) 21:14, 9 October 2022 (UTC)
 * @Mossypiglet It looks from the page history that the list was intended to be alphabetical by surname until a couple of names were inserted out of place. Sometimes surnames aren't very helpful as they can be ambiguous: for example Voltaire was a nom de plume. Personally, I think that list would be better if ordered chronologically but that's a major change you would be best to discuss first on its Talk Page. Mike Turnbull (talk) 11:56, 10 October 2022 (UTC)

Pushing translated article to publish
I have translated the Article of the Institute Rousseau to both English (User:Gato Struck/Institut Rousseau) and German (User:Gato Struck/Institut Rousseau).

The German Wikipedia sent me push notification to publish that I don't really understand (but hopefully satisfied?). How can I push both of these to review/publish? I could not find the right forum help article or info via Google, so any hint is appreciated. Gato Struck (talk) 16:21, 9 October 2022 (UTC)


 * I assume you want to publish these drafts correct? If you press the large blue button that says "Submit the draft for review!", then someone will come along and deem your article suitable for submission or not. This might take a few days but don't worry you should be notified when the review is complete. FishandChipper 🐟🍟 17:41, 9 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Once submitted, there is a backlog of drafts at English Wikipedia, so could be days, but also weeks or (sadly) months before being reviewed. David notMD (talk) 20:09, 9 October 2022 (UTC)
 * @Gato Struck The English version has been moved to Draft:Institut Rousseau but has not yet been submitted for review, which you do by clicking on the big blue button at the top. However, there are a few things to tidy up first, including CS1 errors in the references and an external link in the main text (not allowed, see WP:ELPOINTS). I'll help fix some of these. Mike Turnbull (talk) 12:03, 10 October 2022 (UTC)

Hep for publishing article
Hi I request help for publishing my article. My article is rejected by stating the sources are not reliable. Could anyone be there to help me to fix the issue Jomaxwell24 (talk) 05:20, 10 October 2022 (UTC)


 * I assume Draft:Melodica Music & Dance Institute is the article you are reffering to? For starters all of the sources you have provided are essentially just advertisements for the business and not actual sources. Your sources have to be from non-biased, reliable, third party sources. From checking your sources you also seem to be under the impression that a source simply has to mention the topic of the article to be a source which is not good sourcing. In order to improve your article you will have to find external sources which speak about the topic in a non-biased way (which an advertisement obviously isnt). Beyond that youre article is formatted poorly with a misplacced infobox, bold headings, unnecessary honorifics ("Mr. Afshin Jafari") etc. FishandChipper 🐟🍟 05:38, 10 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Thank you for your reply. I will find some few new sources as per your advise also, please could you please let me know how many resources we need to publish the article Jomaxwell24 (talk) 07:16, 10 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Its not about how many sources you use, its about the quality of those sources. You could put a hundred advertisement sources but none of them would be as good as a single non-biased, reliable, third party source. Quality over quantity as they say. FishandChipper 🐟🍟 08:21, 10 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Delete the Locations section. David notMD (talk) 10:12, 10 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Ok. Thank you Jomaxwell24 (talk) 12:34, 10 October 2022 (UTC)

Warsaw Philharmonic Choir
Hi guys,

I am just looking for a quick review after all suggestions had been done.

Draft:Warsaw Philharmonic Choir

thanks for your help and have a great day!

Marek Marek Gudowski (talk) 12:36, 10 October 2022 (UTC)
 * You've submitted it for a review, a reviewer will eventually carry one out. 331dot (talk) 12:37, 10 October 2022 (UTC)


 * The draft is missing a lead section. See WP:LEAD. The lead section should provide an overview summary of the rest of the article. Instead, you start right out with some historical statements that don't give the reader any context. ~Anachronist (talk) 14:37, 10 October 2022 (UTC)

Article submission rejected
Hello,

My submission was rejected after adding extra resources from the news website and ranking website sources.

Please help me in the creation of the article. the issue shows the following details -

This submission's references do not show that the subject qualifies for a Wikipedia article—that is, they do not show significant coverage (not just passing mentions) about the subject in published, reliable, secondary sources that are independent of the subject.

Mahadevssarvade (talk) 05:56, 10 October 2022 (UTC)


 * Courtesy link: Draft:Dr. D. Y. Patil Vidyapeeth, Pune. ~Anachronist (talk) 14:51, 10 October 2022 (UTC)


 * Hello, . Your draft should explain somehow what "Vidyapeeth" means. Please keep in mind that Wikipedia is written for a worldwide audience. I am a fairly well educated 70 year old American and have never heard that word before. I gather that it is some kind of educational institution. Your first reference is to another Wikipedia article. That's not acceptable  per WP:CIRCULAR. Talking about ratings through 2029 violates WP:CRYSTAL. Wikipedia articles do not predict the future. A major problem is that your draft is uninformative. It does not tell the reader what this topic is all about. It fails to perform the basic functions of an encyclopedia article. When was it founded? How many students and faculty does it have? What are its various courses of study? What degrees does it award? And so on. I am bewildered rather than informed after reading your draft. Cullen328 (talk) 06:18, 10 October 2022 (UTC)

Dwayne Carter
Do Anyone Have A Email Address Or Contact For Lil Wayne Isreal Modeste (talk) 10:20, 10 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Isreal Modeste, welcome to the "teahouse", where you can ask questions about editing or otherwise using Wikipedia. Not questions about people's email addresses and the like. -- Hoary (talk) 10:39, 10 October 2022 (UTC)
 * who is hoary 181.188.108.177 (talk) 11:21, 10 October 2022 (UTC)
 * User:Hoary is a Wikipedia editor. Note that we are all volunteers and may or may not respond to your requests. Sungodtemple (talk) 11:57, 10 October 2022 (UTC)
 * If you care to click on User:Hoary, your curiosity will perhaps be satisfied. -- Hoary (talk) 12:05, 10 October 2022 (UTC)
 * @Isreal Modeste It doesn't take much research to find Lil Wayne's website from our article and its homepage has several contact methods. Mike Turnbull (talk) 11:27, 10 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Please Could You Find It And Send It To Me That Would Be Nice 181.188.108.177 (talk) 11:31, 10 October 2022 (UTC)
 * It's listed in the infobox on the article page. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 12:12, 10 October 2022 (UTC)
 * could you send it for me cant fine it Baseball Bugs 181.188.108.177 (talk) 13:17, 10 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Again, please see Lil Wayne. Click on those words and you will see it. 331dot (talk) 13:21, 10 October 2022 (UTC)
 * after you click lil wayne where do you have to look 181.188.108.177 (talk) 14:23, 10 October 2022 (UTC)
 * The infobox is on the right hand side of the article. At the bottom of the infobox is the website. Sungodtemple (talk) 14:30, 10 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Teaching you how to browse a page is beyond the scope of the Teahouse. ~Anachronist (talk) 14:39, 10 October 2022 (UTC)

You asked the identical question at five locations within Wikipedia, which is frankly annoying, and led to the query being deleted in four places. Per above, see bottom of Infobox in Lil Wayne. David notMD (talk) 16:27, 10 October 2022 (UTC)

Adding a Link
Can someone please tell me how to add a link to an article or direct me to the page where the template is found? Cjmodica (talk) 06:46, 10 October 2022 (UTC)


 * @Cjmodica, do you mean WP:WIKILINK? That's for linking to other WP-articles, or pages. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 06:49, 10 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Yes. Can I do that or does it have to be an administrator? Cjmodica (talk) 07:06, 10 October 2022 (UTC)
 * @Cjmodica: anyone can do it. lettherebedarklight, 晚安, おやすみ, ping me when replying 07:07, 10 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Thank you. Cjmodica (talk) 07:41, 10 October 2022 (UTC)
 * you do it by typing and typing in your link  and it should look like this [[Wikipedia:Teahouse 2006toyotacorrola (talk) 08:52, 10 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Actually, to create a Wikilink to an existing article the term needs double brackets before and after:  . Example: Vitamin A. As you can see, the term appears in blue letters. If you Wikilink to a term that is not an article, it appears in red letters, such as Vitamin Y. Sometimes that is done as a hint that such an article needs to be created. David notMD (talk) 10:21, 10 October 2022 (UTC)
 * The article you created, Tommy Byars, has appropriate use of Wikilinking. Are you asking about something else? David notMD (talk) 10:31, 10 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Perhaps the question is asking about how to get other articles to link to Tommy Byars so that it isn't an orphan. ~Anachronist (talk) 14:47, 10 October 2022 (UTC)
 * That article is not an orphan. I added it to Beaumont, Texas yesterday. Cullen328 (talk) 15:26, 10 October 2022 (UTC)
 * The unlinked boldface is a consequence of a wikilink leading to the current page. — Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 16:58, 10 October 2022 (UTC)

Native Wikisource
For a foreign book that is translated to English and has an English Wikisource, is it necessary to fill in the native_wikisource parameter? For example, Crime and Punishment links to an English Wikisource, so would filling in the native_wikisource for Russian be redundant? Jaguarnik (talk) 01:50, 10 October 2022 (UTC)


 * I, and most of the editors here, don't know the solution to this particular issue, since most of us do not edit Wikisource. I would try s:WS:Scriptorium/Help. Sungodtemple (talk) 01:59, 10 October 2022 (UTC)
 * I'm not sure that Wikisource editors would be able to give me an answer, as I meant specifically on the Wikipedia page of certain novels, not on Wikisource itself Jaguarnik (talk) 03:02, 10 October 2022 (UTC)
 * i'd suggest asking at the help desk as there is more quilified people there 2006toyotacorrola (talk) 08:55, 10 October 2022 (UTC)


 * Jaguarnik, if worried by a question such as this, I look for a featured article whose creator(s)/inquisitor(s) must have faced the same question (or a very similar one), and see what was done (and was supported by consensus or anyway didn't prevent promotion to FA). Le Père Goriot is a FA. Wikisource has it in French and English (and possibly other languages too; I didn't look). But the article has a Wikisource link for the English alone. Two comments: (i) I didn't bother to look when the link to Wikisource was added; this was possibly after promotion to FA. (ii) I never use Wikisource. I didn't notice any link from the English there to the French. But maybe it's there and my unfamiliarity with the website was what prevented me from noticing it. -- Hoary (talk) 10:57, 10 October 2022 (UTC)
 * An update: I filled in the native_wikisource parameter for Crime and Punishment and while it does not link to the original language wikisource, it did cause the infobox to change "Text: Crime and Punishment at English Wikisource" to "Translation: Crime and Punishment at English Wikisource" so I guess that's that. Jaguarnik (talk) 18:15, 10 October 2022 (UTC)

Article written by the institute - clear conflict - need suggestions
Hello. I made a very interesting observation on one page. For the first time, I saw this kind of sentence on a Wikipedia page of https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sustainable_Development_Policy_Institute

Under the Goals section, it says "These goals reflect the main axes of our work; the means through which we effect change."

Under the approach section, it says "We welcome your views and any inquiries you may have on our ([1]) website and/or organization as a whole."

This clearly shows that someone from the institute has written this page. This is ridiculously surprising. The page does have a Close connection notice on top. But, should such a page even exist?

Can someone please suggest if it is better to clean up this page or what should be done? I was going to clean it up, but then I saw that line. So, I wanted to get opinion. Thank you. ANLgrad (talk) 15:27, 7 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Hello, . I am not familiar enough with media outlets in Pakistan to determine whether or not this organization is notable. But let's assume for the sake of discussion that it is notable. In that case, the article should be edited to remove all language written from the point of view of the organization, and instead written from the Neutral point of view. The word "we" should never be used in Wikipedia's voice. Cullen328 (talk) 16:17, 7 October 2022 (UTC)
 * @Cullen328 thank you for giving your opinion. Yes, I agree with making it neutral and I shall do that. Before doing it, I just wanted to get some opinions here. Thank you. ANLgrad (talk) 19:25, 10 October 2022 (UTC)
 * @ANLgrad Much of the main article is a direct WP:copyvio from their website at this URL. I think that WP:TNT may be appropriate. Incidentally, it has been that way since this edit in 2009!. Mike Turnbull (talk) 16:31, 7 October 2022 (UTC)
 * If I was at my computer and not my tablet, I would delete the copyvio stuff right away. I have trouble with on-screen keyboards for much besides typing... David10244 (talk) 07:45, 8 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Possible deletion of the article is now being discussed at WP:Articles for deletion/Sustainable Development Policy Institute Mike Turnbull (talk) 14:15, 10 October 2022 (UTC)
 * @Michael D. Turnbull that's an interesting observation. Its strange that it didn't get noticed. I am going to work on it, but I somewhere feel, as you rightly mentioned about WP:TNT, it should be re-written from scratch or even deleted entirely as it doesn't look too notable. I feel it is totally written by the institute. Thank you. ANLgrad (talk) 19:27, 10 October 2022 (UTC)

IP range block
Hi. There are a few IP editors that have made the exact same, lengthy and complicated edit (removing about 7,000 bytes) on one page, which seems like it is being done by a single person. Where should I report this for range block of this IP? Dhruv edits (talk) 20:02, 10 October 2022 (UTC)


 * Use WP:AIV but specifing range instead of just one IP. For example, Special:Diff/1115299614. Sungodtemple (talk) 20:27, 10 October 2022 (UTC)
 * If it's obvious and persistent vandalism, I would take it to AIV (admin intervention against vandalism). If you have doubts about either of those descriptors fitting, ANI (admin noticeboards/incidents) might work better.
 * Asparagusus  (interaction)  20:27, 10 October 2022 (UTC)
 * @Asparagusus @Sungodtemple Thanks. Dhruv edits (talk) 20:57, 10 October 2022 (UTC)

Controversial Local Political Figures in The Pacific North West
Hello, I was looking to write an article about local level politics in the Pacific North West, specifically controversial political figures in low level (Municipal and County), would this be an acceptable thing to create and page about? Political Jazz (talk) 18:28, 10 October 2022 (UTC)


 * Hello I'm Thedefender35 As long as you maintain Neutral point of view then there should be no issue with you creating an article! Tdshe /her 18:34, 10 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Eh, not so fast. If OP's goal is to write Controversial local political figures in the Pacific North West, they would need to provide high-quality RS that each analyze a group of politicians that they describe as "controversial local political figures"; this is a high bar, and I am skeptical that it could be accomplished easily (we do not generally have articles for "Controversial local political figures in Region XYZ"). Alternatively, if they are looking to write individual biographies about local political figures that are controversial, simply finding sources about each subject individually will be much easier (if not necessarily trivial). The relevant guidelines are WP:BROAD for articles with broad concepts (like "Controversial local political figures...") and WP:GNG for the baseline notability of any given subject. signed,Rosguill talk 19:05, 10 October 2022 (UTC)
 * WP:NOTGUIDE#Case studies is probably more relevant. If no reliable sources specifically discuss how local political figures in the Pacific Northwest are controversial, then it would be classified as a synthesis. Articles like Slate industry in Wales would be fine though. Sungodtemple (talk) 19:20, 10 October 2022 (UTC)

Also, see the policy WP:NPOL. Generally low-level local politicians don't merit Wikipedia articles. If there are reliable sources having national or at least regional coverage (not local sources) of Pacific Northwest politics, then that subject might merit an article, but individual political figures likely would not. ~Anachronist (talk) 20:55, 10 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Big city mayors usually prove to be notable, but it is all about the level of significant coverage in reliable, independent sources. Cullen328 (talk) 21:11, 10 October 2022 (UTC)

Help with good article
Some time ago, I was informed by a reviewer on my talk page (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Jaguarnik#Some_baklava_for_you!) that an article I wrote, Igor Moiseyev Ballet, could be on its way to a GA nomination. I've worked on the article as much as I can but am unsure how to improve it to a GA article; I hope it's alright to ask here for any suggestions. Jaguarnik (talk) 01:58, 10 October 2022 (UTC)


 * At first glance, maybe more references to the claim that the ballet is a 'symbol of Soviet bureaucracy'. Sungodtemple (talk) 02:03, 10 October 2022 (UTC)


 * Hi . I can point you to Good articles. It can give you ideas on how to make a good article.Cwater1 (talk) 22:43, 10 October 2022 (UTC)

How could i improve my draft article?
Draft:Sports in Pori

How could i further improve my draft? Is it even notable enough to have its own article? I have made many articles and edits and i know how this all works but i just want to hear an opinion on it from someone else. -Cheers! Kilaseell - Message me! - 21:06, 10 October 2022 (UTC)


 * Kilaseell, it seems to me like a synthesis. I don't think there have been any reliable sources published on sports in Pori as a whole. I could be wrong, but the current state of the article does not demonstrate that sports in Pori are special, as is the case with NYC. Sungodtemple (talk) 21:21, 10 October 2022 (UTC)
 * I think you're better off just merging some of your info to expand Pori. There doesn't seem to be enough for a WP:FORK. TimTempleton (talk) (cont)  23:26, 10 October 2022 (UTC)

Renaming a file on Wikimedia commons
I recently uploaded this file on Wikimedia commons but I did so with a factually incorrect file name. It should be called File:The Nile Vatican Statue.jpg

How do I request a rename? Immanuelle 💗 (please tag me) 23:31, 10 October 2022 (UTC)
 * This isn't Wikimedia Commons, but you would put this template on the file page: https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Template:Rename - just follow the instructions on that template page for how to use the template. ~Anachronist (talk) 23:35, 10 October 2022 (UTC)

Creating a company page
Hello team, I’ve just signed up and want to create a company listing for the company I work for.

is this possible? I’ve started to write some content in my sandbox.

If someone can shed some light on this for me and if I can, point me in the right direction.

thanks in advance, Ben BenASLAus (talk) 10:46, 9 October 2022 (UTC)
 * There are no "company page"s on Wikipedia only articles about notable topics. Wikipedia is not a place to merely tell about something or someone, Wikipedia summarizes what independent reliable sources with significant coverage have chosen on their own to say about a topic, showing how it meets the special Wikipedia definition of notability. Please also review conflict of interest. Theroadislong (talk) 10:55, 9 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Delete what you have on your User page and see WP:PAID for how to declare on your User page that you are being paid. This is required even if not being paid to create an article. Declared paid editing is allowed. See WP:YFA for how to create and submit a draft, and as noted above, see WP:CORP. Modeling your draft on existing articles is a good start, but not a guarantee of success (bad articles exist). What is essential is that all the content you create be verified by reliable source references that are independent from the company. David notMD (talk) 11:35, 9 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Hi . In addition to the pages mentioned above, you probably should also take a look at meta:Terms of use/FAQ on paid contributions without disclosure and Wikipedia:FAQ/Organizations because "paid editing" does include other kinds of compensation in addition to direct monetary compenstion, and financial COI could be one in which creating a Wikipedia article somehow benefits your company even if it might not directly benefit you. Finally, the suggestion given above by David notMD about looking at other articles as models for the one want to create can sometimes be helpful for lots of different reasons, but as David mentions there are plenty of "bad" articles on Wikipedia. So, I would suggest you look for WP:GA or WP:FA articles that might be about a similar company since GA and FA article have undergone a review and they tend to be some of the better articles you might find on Wikipedia. You might also want to take a look at Wikipedia:WikiProject Companies, Wikipedia:WikiProject Finance & Investment or Wikipedia:WikiProject Australia if you truly believe your company satisfies relevant Wikipedia notability guidelines because it might be better to try and see if you can find someone else who's more familiar with creating articles and not a company employee to try and write an article about it. -- Marchjuly (talk) 13:52, 9 October 2022 (UTC)
 * @David notMD, @Marchjuly, @Theroadislong; this section is somewhat relevant to my question, so asking here. Gianluca Martinenghi article is a paid editing, i made before using AFC. now if i create an article without AFC, and i'm offered to paid editing, then what should i do and how to disclose paid editing, though not sure about being paid? AbuSayeed (talk) 18:10, 10 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Hi . I'm not sure what your question is and thus not sure how to answer it. If your question is somehow related to this Help Desk question, then perhaps it might be best for you to try and resolve things there. If your question has to do with something different, then maybe it would be better for you to start a new Teahouse discussion about it so that it doesn't get mixed up with this discussion. -- Marchjuly (talk) 01:30, 11 October 2022 (UTC)

Notable people
How do I add a notable person Hojo0909 (talk) 22:49, 10 October 2022 (UTC)


 * We define "notable" in a specific way. Do in-depth, non-routine, independent-of-the-subject news/scholarly sources written by identifiable authors and subjected to rigourous fact-checking exist? —Jéské Couriano  v^&lowbar;^v  a little blue Bori 22:58, 10 October 2022 (UTC)


 * Hojo0909, this appears to be the only edit you've made. If this is so, you have no experience of working on an article. If indeed you have none, then get experience of improving articles that already exist. Once you've done that, think of perhaps creating this or that new article. -- Hoary (talk) 01:59, 11 October 2022 (UTC)

Draft Review
Would someone please review my draft in my sandbox before I submit it for review to become an article? Also, if I submit the draft for review straight from my sandbox, will my username show in the live article?

User:Sportsent/sandbox

I don't want my account/username to be associated with the article; I'd like the article to look like a regular Wiki article if that makes sense. I'm new to creating/editing Wiki articles and pages and was completely lost throughout this whole process. It looks like I'm going to have to delete majority of the photos because I don't have copyright information.

Sportsent (talk) 15:03, 10 October 2022 (UTC)
 * You may click the "Submit your draft for review" button to request a review; we don't usually do "pre-review reviews" as volunteers have limited time. I will shortly move it to an appropriate draft title so it's not in your sandbox- though there is no way to remove your name from the edit history. 331dot (talk) 15:06, 10 October 2022 (UTC)
 * It seems like you are associated with the person you are writing about. I will post information about this on your user talk page. 331dot (talk) 15:06, 10 October 2022 (UTC)
 * It is now at Draft:Kenneth Wayne Scott. 331dot (talk) 15:07, 10 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Difficult to understand how he might meet Wikipedia's notability criteria for an athlete, as he played no games as a professional. Listing his accomplishments in each college game has no business being in an article. Also, many of the refs were interviews, which do not establish notability. Several photos removed, as tagged for possible copyright infringement. David notMD (talk) 16:39, 10 October 2022 (UTC)
 * On your Talk page, asked to identify if paid or personal connection to Scott, or not. Do that before doing anything else. David notMD (talk) 03:11, 11 October 2022 (UTC)

5 Room solution- can't add picture
Hi guys,

I was bored in work and solved your "unsolved puzzle" but I can't up load the answer. How can I post it?

Many thanks,

Peter PeterJWade (talk) 10:02, 10 October 2022 (UTC)


 * It is mathematically impossible for you to have done so and even if you did you'd have to get it published in a journal before even thinking of uploading your "solution" FishandChipper 🐟🍟 10:05, 10 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Courtesy: Five room puzzle. David notMD (talk) 10:27, 10 October 2022 (UTC)
 * As the article shows, the solution is possible if the walls are drawn on a torus, but not if drawn on a plane. ~Anachronist (talk) 14:45, 10 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Im pretty sure Peter is implying he's found a soulution on a plane which is again impossible. FishandChipper 🐟🍟 03:21, 11 October 2022 (UTC)

Draft article on Actel Consulting
I submitted a draft on "Actel Consulting" a few weeks ago and it was rejected, citing it as advertising. This is my first post on wikipedia so lesson learned. I have since revised it to be neutral in wording and only listed objective facts. Can I resubmit it for review?

Romneyng (talk) 01:20, 11 October 2022 (UTC)


 * Romneyng, the rejection tag on Draft:Actel Consulting means that the submission is contrary to the purpose of Wikipedia. Do not try to improve the article as it will not be accepted in the near future.
 * In addition, the 'objective facts' listed on the draft are not objective, and they are likely not facts, either. The bullets under #Consulting Services are a perfect example of puffery. Sungodtemple (talk) 01:34, 11 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Hello Romneyng, and welcome to the Teahouse. As stated on your userpage, you are an employee at the place you're writing about. You have a conflict of interest and are possibly being paid to edit the draft, which means you're not the best person to be doing so. The actual content of the draft basically says nothing and, if anything, needs a good copyedit. It doesn't say anything about the company that would make it notable. There are also no references.
 * Asparagusus  (interaction)  01:37, 11 October 2022 (UTC)
 * , 100% of the time, unreferenced drafts are not accepted . The only topics that are eligible for Wikipedia articles are those that have received significant coverage in reliable, independent sources, and you need to demonstrate that by adding references to those sources to the draft. Please read Referencing for beginners. Cullen328 (talk) 03:45, 11 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Another way of looking at this is that Wikipedia is not interested in what the subject of an article says or wants to say about themselves, or what their associates say about them. Wikipedia is only interested in what people who have no connection with the subject, and who have not been prompted or fed information on behalf of the subject, have chosen to publish about the subject in reliable sources. ColinFine (talk) 04:56, 11 October 2022 (UTC)

In an article about a game, is refering to the person playing the game as “the player” acceptable on wikipedia?
Wikipedia has many policies and guidelines, and if I remember correctly, one of them is not using “you”. Is “the player” a better, more encyclopedic way to refer to someone? Just curious also I want to write an article about a video game GenZenny (talk) 01:22, 11 October 2022 (UTC)


 * On Undertale, 'the player' is used to reference the person controlling the character. So I would assume so. Sungodtemple (talk) 01:30, 11 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Yes; but I would question whether a statement that might have been made about 'you' is going to be ncyclopaedic. Have you got a reliable independent source discussing whatever it is that the player could, might, or should do? If not, it probably doesn't belong in an article. ColinFine (talk) 04:59, 11 October 2022 (UTC)

How to post a vote to a wide audience
Hello- myself and many others are having a debate about a certain issue that keeps going back and forth. Since this issue only seems to be known by a small few within the realm I currently edit in, is there a way to post a vote to a wide-sweeping audience to get as many opinions as possible? A current conversation is taking place on a singular talk page, but I was wondering if there was a larger medium to cast a wider net of opinion. Thanks The ganymedian (talk) 06:31, 11 October 2022 (UTC)
 * I'm not sure, The ganymedian, whether it's (A) yourself and "many others", or (B) "a small few"; but either way, you could post a question to the talk page of one relevant WikiProject (see for example Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Years). The question there is "we are doing a vote on mean your article collages [line break] should we have collages on main year articles", whose first half I find obscure. Careful phrasing of the question is worth the time and trouble. And Requests for comment could be what you're after. -- Hoary (talk) 07:01, 11 October 2022 (UTC)
 * @The ganymedian, have you looked at WP:APPNOTE? Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 07:03, 11 October 2022 (UTC)

can i just edit the grammar sometimes
title Toosnote (talk) 00:28, 9 October 2022 (UTC)


 * @Toosnote: you can fix grammar, yes. lettherebedarklight, 晚安, おやすみ, ping me when replying 06:15, 9 October 2022 (UTC)
 * I have done that before.Cwater1 (talk) 03:20, 10 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Yes, make sure the tone follows the neutral point of view policy. Prototo258 (talk) 08:00, 11 October 2022 (UTC)

Draft article on Peter Cameron
Hello everybody, I recently submitted an article on Peter Cameron that has been declined 4 times, notwithstanding I tried to follow the suggestions in the comments, improving the draft and citing secondary sources (among which articles from the NYT and the LA Times).

We're talking about a well known author, who published short stories in a prominent magazine and novels translated into various languages, and who currently is present in wikis in other languages.

One of the reasons for the rejection seems to be that I might have a conflict if interest, but I clarified to one of the reviewers that I don't have any relation of whasoever kind with the author, nor with the sources I cited.

I should be really grateful if anyone would explain in clear terms why the article is judged not worthy of publication. Thanks for your help -- Lucretius (talk) 21:47, 10 October 2022 (UTC)


 * Lucretius, welcome to the Teahouse! I looked at your sourcing, and find that the first 4 refs are self-written bios in connected, commercial sources. There is also a link to his latest New Yorker story. And 2 reviews of his work in prominent newspapers. None of these demonstrate his notability, as they are either connected or not even about Mr. Cameron. It may be sinply too soon for the type of coverage of Cameron Wikipedia requires: independent, in-depth, from reliable, published sources.--Quisqualis (talk) 22:29, 10 October 2022 (UTC)
 * It is actually possible for a book to be notable while the author remains obscure. I had a similar problem writing about an author who had a book on two different bestseller lists. The reviewer declined it because of the sourcing; too many sources were associated with the author (his website, interviews) and the secondary sources weren't about him, they were about the books. The reviewer suggested I re-cast the article to be about the books rather than the person. After about a year, I ended up with a better article: Gameknight999, which was approved and published. I see one of Cameron's books already has an article. Perhaps try writing about another book that might be more notable than the author? ~Anachronist (talk) 22:41, 10 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Hello, Lucretius, and welcome to the Teahouse! First, let's go through the sources. The short description from the Saratoga Book Festival looks to be information garnered from the subject, AKA a WP:POV source. (I don't know enough Italian to trust myself to translate the second source.)) Per WP:GOODREADS, Goodreads is not a reliable source to be used in Wikipedia articles. The fourth source is from an organization in which Cameron is/was a member, and so is slightly self-published (which usually makes a source unreliable). The New Yorker is reliable, but only covers the sentence that it's cited in and nothing else; it doesn't give WP:SIGCOV of the subject and therefore does not justify the article. Per WP:LATIMES, the Los Angeles Times is a reliable source, but it is mostly a review of one of Cameron's books and again does not give WP:SIGCOV (it would be instead good in an article for that book itself). I cannot access The New York Times due to the paywall, but it is listed as a reliable source. However, from what I could see, it again seems to be a review of one of Cameron's books and doesn't show WP:SIGCOV. None of these sources fully justify this article.
 * Now, onto the article itself. The entire last paragraph of the lede sounds very WP:POV. That is probably what made the most recent reviewer say that you seem to have a WP:COI. Even if you aren't personally related to Cameron, you seem to be a passionate fan of his based on that paragraph.
 * (Sorry this is a bit long-winded; I just had a lot to say.) Asparagusus   (interaction)  23:05, 10 October 2022 (UTC)
 * I found some more sources, and pulled out some of the poor sources. Turns out he's had three books adapted as films.  Most of the sources are about the books and adapted films, but the combined body of work should now be enough to get this accepted. One of the NY Times reviewers even wrote I grew up reading Peter Cameron; he made me want to write. The influences section is definitely POV-ey, but someone else can synthesize the themes from the various reviews. It's not disqualifying to be a fan, but everything needs to be independently sourced. TimTempleton</b> <sup style="color:#800080">(talk)  <sup style="color:#7F007F">(cont)  23:15, 10 October 2022 (UTC)

Thanks everybody for the comments, and thanks to TimTempleton for the help in improving sourcing! I agree that some of the sources I used are not independent and/or not reliable, and have to be discarded. To me the key aspect is that the author, as also Tim noted, has so far produced an ensemble of written works (some of which adapted into films) that to my eyes justifies an article in Wikipedia. Yes, I red Cameron's novels, and I can consider myself one of his fans. I tried to keep my personal opinions out of the article, but if the last paragraph sounds WP:POV, as Asparagusus says, it's fine with me to review it and make it more neutral. Please let me know if any of you has any other advice or recommendation. Thanks -- Lucretius (talk) 08:15, 11 October 2022 (UTC)

Why my article got declined?
I added all necessary links to my article, but it got declined. Please help me how can I get it accepted. My article link. DevanshSingh01 (talk) 07:03, 11 October 2022 (UTC)


 * @DevanshSingh01 Did you take the second picture yourself? David10244 (talk) 07:24, 11 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Yes, DevanshSingh01 (talk) 07:31, 11 October 2022 (UTC)
 * This article is about my father. He is a very well known Actor. You can google him as well please help me out I want this to get accepted. DevanshSingh01 (talk) 07:33, 11 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Please help me out. DevanshSingh01 (talk) 07:37, 11 October 2022 (UTC)


 * DevanshSingh01, if he's very well known, then I imagine that reliable sources will have published web pages about him. (Not pages that merely mention him. Not interviews.) You can google for these. Please do so, and show us the best three among these pages. -- Hoary (talk) 08:16, 11 October 2022 (UTC)

"Resubmit" or try to speak with volunteer editor first?
Good evening - my real-life friend Piratecakes had a proposed new article rejected--Draft:Keanin Loomis. I have made a number of edits to try and respond to the comments received (need more references, and in response to a "WP:COI" tag I removed some language that felt a bit more promotional to me on a second reading). For next steps in my workflow, should I speak to the volunteer editor who provided the comment, or does it make sense to resubmit instead? (I guess another option is to try to ask some questions here.) Any advice appreciated, thank you...Barrieskyline1 Barrieskyline1 (talk) 03:29, 10 October 2022 (UTC)


 * I suggest you talk to a volunteer instead of resubmitting. Note that the article needs to meet the "Notability" guideline, meaning the article needs at least two citations to reliable sources, that are independent (Not affiliated) with the subject of an article. My advice is that you read the following blue-linked terms to learn a little more, or read Help:Your first article on how to start out. If you have any more questions, feel free to ask here.  &ddagger; Night Watch &omega;     (talk)   04:15, 10 October 2022 (UTC)
 * , - NOT ready to be resubmitted. A nuance - Declined, not Rejected. The Endorsement section should be deleted. Many of the refs either do not mention Loomis at all, or just in passing. All refs should be in a proper ref format, not just URLs. Last, but most important it is unlikely that he qualifies as notable in the Wikipedia sense of the word until he succeeds in the election for mayor. David notMD (talk) 10:09, 10 October 2022 (UTC)
 * @Piratecakes @David notMD @Maproom @The Night Watch
 * I can't thank you 3 enough for the pointers. I read the initial decline very differently than you.  I have spent some time tonight regenerating references and looking for additional online sources.  I've deleted some of the initial claims/facts because the quality of online source was not strong (e.g., looking for published articles, journalism, and through his Twitter).  Overall, I think it is improved.  My question is...what do you think? Link for convenience--Draft:Keanin Loomis Barrieskyline1 (talk) 08:45, 11 October 2022 (UTC)
 * , Draft:Keanin Loomis does not "need more references", and the decline notice does not say that. It needs better references. Maproom (talk) 12:52, 10 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Not ready in my opinion. The presence of the Endorsements section is promotional, and thus grounds for Decline if not Rejection or even Speedy deletion. Many of the refs in the Chamber of Commerce section are just name-mentions of Loomis. If he is elected mayor of Hamilton later this month, revise and resubmit. If not, don't bother. David notMD (talk) 09:20, 11 October 2022 (UTC)

Abuse by Admins.
Why do foreign Admins usually abuse and frustrate our efforts? Its as if Admins from other parts of the world don't value or appreciate the context in which we in Africa write our articles. You labour with an article,do all you can and instead of someone improving or adivising, they just simply, move, delete or tag your article without any remorse. Most of these Wiki Admins especially from Europe and America are simply inserferable!! Stop abusing our efforts, take time to understand atleast. Most of the admins just rush to trash our efforts and when we complain, the quick response is downplaying our concerns by labeling us biased and tell us we shouldn't mind about what they do! No, you people change your ways!!! Alvinategyeka (talk) 17:03, 10 October 2022 (UTC)


 * Hello! My name is Thedefender35 I see you have some issues with the way admins run this site. please see this for help on why they do what they do. If you have anymore issues please visit this page! Td<sup style="color:DeepSkyBlue">she <sup style="color:Magenta">/her 17:10, 10 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Speaking as an admin from North America, I'm curious about specifics. I'll take some blame for being insufferable (which my daughter occasionally uses to describe me). How can we help today? BusterD (talk) 17:14, 10 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Hello, . I am an administrator and I consider it my responsibility to enforce policies, guidelines and behavioral standards fairly and impartially. I see on your talk page that you have successfully written many articles and I thank you for your contributions. If you have a specific incident to discuss, I will be happy to look into it. Cullen328 (talk) 19:48, 10 October 2022 (UTC)
 * And if I may correct, admins don't "run this site". The community does, and admins have been elected by the community to serve as janitors who clean up messes and try to keep things stable. ~Anachronist (talk) 20:52, 10 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Actually there is nothing big. These are feelings ive just been having, feeling, the perspective Admins see things vary. Thats why i think that in subsequent Wikimedia events, issues like increasing the number of Admins from across continents would be better because they may have the on ground feel.
 * Sorry for the outbursts. Alvinategyeka (talk) 10:21, 11 October 2022 (UTC)

The OP appears to be referring to this exchange on his talk page: User talk:Alvinategyeka, objecting to the fact that most of his articles seem to have been moved to draft space. ~Anachronist (talk) 21:00, 10 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Actually, Alvinategyeka has a high success rate of getting articles through AfC, and so plausible to skip AfC and create articles in mainspace. Some of these have been flipped to draft. Others have been Speedy deleted. David notMD (talk) 03:18, 11 October 2022 (UTC)
 * In the end,, the answer is clear. Be sure that every article you add to the encyclopedia complies with Wikipedia's Policies and guidelines. Cullen328 (talk) 03:22, 11 October 2022 (UTC)

adding a person to Wikipedia
how can we add a person to Wikipedia 69.140.199.93 (talk) 11:17, 11 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Hello and welcome. That depends on who "we" is; do you represent or know the person involved? Certain policies would apply to you in that case, WP:COI and WP:PAID. Wikipedia is not a mere database where existence warrants a mention, it is an encyclopedia with criteria for inclusion, called "notability".  This person would need to meet the definition of a notable person, as shown with significant coverage in independent reliable sources.  Writing a new article is the most difficult task to perform on Wikipedia, and it's good to get some experience editing existing articles first.  Please read Your First Article.  If you still want to attempt to do this now, please visit Articles for Creation to create and submit a draft.  You will need to first gather at least three independent reliable sources with sigificant coverage to summarize. 331dot (talk) 11:26, 11 October 2022 (UTC)

Arieh Merzer - create wiki page
Hi, I have been doing some research on my great grandfather, a Polish/Israeli artist who operated in warsaw and paris before ww2 and fled the holocaust to israel during the war. I believe that his story is deserving of an article in this wonderful website so that other's may be able to find his art and his story. Is there anyone i can talk to about creating such a page? Or would I need to create a page myself? 62.232.108.138 (talk) 10:07, 11 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. You could ask someone to do it at Requested Articles, but the backlog there is severe in the extreme.  You are able to use Articles for Creation yourself to create and submit a draft. Be advised that creating a new article is probably the most difficult task to attempt on Wikipedia for a new or inexperienced user, so you would want to read Your First Article to start.  If you wanted to create an account, you could use the new user tutorial as well. (it's not required that you have an account)  I think great-grandfather is possibly a sufficiently distant relation to not be a conflict of interest, especially if you are certain you could write about him objectively and with a neutral point of view, but you may wish to review the conflict of interest policy anyway. 331dot (talk) 10:20, 11 October 2022 (UTC)
 * IP editor. There is a recent essay called WP:BACKWARD (see that link) which gives good advice. New drafts do not have to be full biographies, they only have to demonstrate that the subject is notable in Wikipedia's specific sense, backed up by reliable sources, which you may already have. About WP:THREE decent ones will be fine. After the draft is accepted, assuming it is, others interested in him may chip in to add to the biography, especially if you create a WP:DYK. Mike Turnbull (talk) 13:17, 11 October 2022 (UTC)

Curious about ideologies in the first sentence of articles.
Good Morning, I am curious about the process or rules that come with putting a political ideology in the first sentence of a Wikipedia article. I notice that a lot of Republican candidates have "far-right" in the first sentence of this article. Doing a quote search for "is an American far-right" in the wikipedia search bar, I'm seeing that this trend mostly applies to candidates in the 2022 elections, such as Darren Bailey, John Gibbs (government official), Dan Cox, and Doug Mastriano. I'm also seeing that this same sentence starter applies to Alex Jones, the American Nazi Party, and other people or groups that could actually hold this classification. Doing a quote search for "is an American far-left" gives you only one result for a person, Cathlyn Platt Wilkerson. I'm wondering what the Wikipedia rules are regarding this phenomenon, and why this trend seems to only pop up among candidates for office this cycle. I'm sure none of these people self-identify as "far-right", and putting these candidates on the same level as Alex Jones or Nazis seems harmful to our already polarized political environment and how people feel about using Wikipedia for political information. What are the rules on this sort of thing, and could this be changed? Thank you so much for your help. Putnam89 (talk) 13:25, 11 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Visit our policies on WP:CITE and WP:RELIABLE sources.  He  iro  13:30, 11 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. The main purpose of a Wikipedia article is to summarize what independent reliable sources say about the topic.  If independent reliable sources describe a person as "far right", then we do, too.  If they describe a person as "far left", then we would, too. This shouldn't be new to this US election cycle(note that Wikipedia is global, not just American)- if it seems that way, then it's because the Republicans are running candidates that are indeed further to the right. If certain Republican office seekers do not want to be described as far right, then they need to adopt policies and views to cause independent sources to not describe them that way. If you are aware of certain politicians on the other side of the aisle who are described as far left, please offer your sources on the appropriate article talk page. You are free to discuss Wikipedia policies at the Village Pump or the talk page of the relevant policy.
 * Also be aware that there are special rules regarding edits about post-1992 American politics, I will notify you of these in a moment. 331dot (talk) 13:30, 11 October 2022 (UTC)

Modified the draft, declined again. Please help.
Hello, Can anyone mention what needs to be modified in the below draft, have modified couple of times based on the comments. Would appreciate if there are any comments given here to get the draft approved. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Sreedharan_Sobhana Thanks 2406:7400:73:314E:0:0:0:101 (talk) 11:12, 9 October 2022 (UTC)
 * If we pointed out that most of this remains unreferenced, would you do anything about this? (I ask because various people have already pointed this out, yet you've studiously ignored them.) If no, you wouldn't, then I'd urge you to give up with this draft: it has already used (and it seems wasted) more than enough of various people's time. -- Hoary (talk) 11:21, 9 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Delete everything about fashion and her awards in fashion. If she is notable for anything, it is her religious activities. Delete all the minor awards. Delete all the fashion images. Delete most of the External links. Delete all the invalid references. Make sure that everything that remains is referenced. David notMD (talk) 11:42, 9 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Just trying to understand, why should fashion related info be deleted? She has got World Record-London in Fashion and the valid link for the same is given in reference. 2406:7400:73:96F4:0:0:0:101 (talk) 08:09, 11 October 2022 (UTC)
 * I am not ignoring anything here. How can I give reference while many are in hardcopy or certificates or printed in newspapers??? I have mentioned this as well previously. I am new here, not an expert maybe like you. If this draft was of no value, I wouldn't have spent so much time on this trying to understand the procedure to follow. 2406:7400:73:96F4:0:0:0:101 (talk) 08:07, 11 October 2022 (UTC)
 * @Hoary - I am not ignoring anything here. How can I give reference while many are in hardcopy or certificates or printed in newspapers??? I have mentioned this as well previously. I am new here, not an expert maybe like you. If this draft was of no value, I wouldn't have spent so much time on this trying to understand the procedure to follow. If you could also let me know how can I refer to old comments? I am not aware how to check that, I cannot find the old one and hence have to post multiple times! Let me know if there is a way. 2406:7400:73:96F4:0:0:0:101 (talk) 08:11, 11 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Sources don't need to be online, but they need to be properly cited. — Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 14:32, 11 October 2022 (UTC)
 * IP editor, your previous question has been archived because there were no more responses for a few days - it is here. 199.208.172.35 (talk) 14:32, 11 October 2022 (UTC)

Can someone help with our link rot warning?
I have addressed a link rot citation warning on a page for which I have a COI. Can someone please review the suggested updates on the Talk page and help make those changes and remove the warning? Page in question is: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Education_Development_Center Commandpitch (talk) 14:55, 11 October 2022 (UTC)


 * Hi, Commandpitch. That looks like a lot of work, which I'm not going to undertake, certainly not right now. In general, you'll get better response to such requests if you 1) break them down into smaller pieces of work, and 2) Mark them with the request edit tag - that will put them on a list of edits awaiting attention. See WP:Edit request for more details. ColinFine (talk) 15:17, 11 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Helpful, thank you! Commandpitch (talk) 15:19, 11 October 2022 (UTC)

Review of Draft - Space Perspective
Hi there! I have been working very hard on this page and it has been declined: Draft:Space Perspective. I understand that the language may be promotional and am happy to change - if anyone has any suggestions on how to improve it I would be very appreciative. Both CEO's have wikipedia pages, are referenced on other notable wikipedia pages, as well as Space Perspective being mentioned on other pages...

However, part of the message on why it was declined is that my references need to be notable. This area I am very lost on and have no idea what is wrong with my references specifically - I focused on on sourcing notable references, filling out their info, from a variety of independent sources, but still seem to not be hitting the mark - could someone help guide me on what is wrong with my references so I can correct?

Many thanks in advance! Juniperjetcat (talk) 16:04, 11 October 2022 (UTC)


 * Hi @Juniperjetcat, welcome to the Teahouse. As an example of promotional language, just at a glance through the article I see Space Perspective is propelling ambitious, ground-breaking work in both the research and creative sectors and promoting dialogue and learning between the two., not to mention the entire section labeled "Mission". This sort of stuff should certainly be rewritten. As for references, they do not need to be notable - they need to be reliable. It is the subject of the article whose notability needs to be proven. 199.208.172.35 (talk) 16:09, 11 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Thank you - this is helpful and I really do appreciate your guidance. Will keep editing content with this in mind. Juniperjetcat (talk) 16:33, 11 October 2022 (UTC)
 * External links in the body of the article should also be removed, and most of the unsourced content - the majority of the article - could probably stand to be removed as well. There do appear to be some good references (by our standards) at the bottom - what do they say? Write the article based on those, not what the company says about itself. (Note that the NY Post and Daily Mail are probably unusable, and articles by Forbes "contributors" are usually also not usable). 199.208.172.35 (talk) 16:22, 11 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Thank you! This makes sense to me. One questions: why would the NY Post and Forbes articles be unusable? Is it because they are contributing authors or is it the title of the article, or the entire article? Again, many thanks for your help. Juniperjetcat (talk) 16:35, 11 October 2022 (UTC)
 * @Juniperjetcat, see WP:FORBESCON, WP:NYPOST and WP:DAILYMAIL for the explanations. 199.208.172.35 (talk) 16:43, 11 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Thank you so much - very helpful! Juniperjetcat (talk) 16:52, 11 October 2022 (UTC)

Edit-a-thon page
Hello

We (a group from Wikimédia France) will host a big edit-a-thon tomorrow (350 people... wish us good luck). All new people with 11 Wikipedians with them on the ground. I wanted to give you a first hand warning that we will probably have 160+ accounts created tomorrow, with brand new editors. We will try our best to help them, but any help welcome. They will be lead on Wikipedia itself, Wikisource, Wikiquote or Comons.

My "newbie" question is... What are the best practices at the moment to create a edit-a-thon page (title and space) ?

Thanks Anthere (talk) 09:09, 11 October 2022 (UTC)


 * @Anthere I assume you have checked WP:EDITATHON? And good luck! Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 09:18, 11 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Good idea. I'll share that link indeed. Anthere (talk) 09:22, 11 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Bon courage! One thing that trips up many new editors, and that seems to be particularly common when groups of new editors are encouraged to edit Wikipedia, is that they don't understand how essential it is to check that sources actually verify the claims in an article. The good-faith new editor might find a "citation needed" tag, Google for the sentence where the tag is placed and find a Wikipedia mirror, which is then added as a source creating a circular reference. Alternatively, they search Google Books for the article title and find a publication that seems to be relevant, and then they add that as a source without actually having access to it, so they don't know if it is relevant. (I remember one instance from a few years ago, when a new editor in all good faith added a reference in an article about cooking vegetables in a pressure cooker. The reference was an academic paper with a title containing the expression "pressure cooker" in its metaphorical sense "high-stress environment", and it talked about group behaviour in a small group – no connection to actual cooking.) So, if nothing else, please do tell them that they have to make sure that any source they add is actually relevant to the content, and is not a Wikipedia mirror site. --bonadea contributions talk 14:20, 11 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Good point. The attempt to add circular sources might be higher on the English wikipedia than the French. Anthere (talk) 16:54, 11 October 2022 (UTC)

What happens if I spend a long time on an edit?
If I start making an edit and have the edit window open for a long time (while looking for sources/formatting templates/irl distractions, etc.), and then someone else publishes an edit to the same page before I finish mine, what happens when I publish my edit? I don't want to accidentally mess up someone else's work, but I'd also rather not make a bunch of short edits when there's more to work on. Axolotlanarchy (talk) 13:12, 11 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Hi, in this case the software will try to resolve the conflict by looking at which parts you have edited. If you have not edited in the same paragraph, then the conflict should be able to resolve automatically. However, if the conflicts could not be resolved, you will be prompted to fix it yourself (by presenting your version and the other person's version) before publishing. See Help:Edit conflict. <span style="font-family:Iosevka,monospace">0x Deadbeef →∞ 13:17, 11 October 2022 (UTC)
 * You can put  at the top of the article before you start work, but it's usually simpler to make lots of small edits and publish them one at a time, or work on one section at a time offline or in your sandbox. Shantavira|feed me 15:11, 11 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Hello, . When I am working on a complex edit, like writing a properly referenced paragraph or two, I do the work in one of my sandbox pages, saving frequently as I go. When everything looks right, I copy the wikicode and paste it into the correct part of the article. That keeps edit conflicts to a minimum. Cullen328 (talk) 18:04, 11 October 2022 (UTC)

hmm
does anybody here know anything whatsoever about Dorothy Ray Sircy? Somecoolguy12345 (talk) 19:35, 10 October 2022 (UTC)


 * Hello, Somecoolguy12345, and welcome to the Teahouse. This is a place for new editors to ask questions about editing Wikipedia. Do you have a question along those lines?
 * Asparagusus  (interaction)  20:29, 10 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Google may be helpful.--97.115.120.224 (talk) 20:48, 10 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Note: User blocked as NOTHERE by Materialscientist. dudhhr talk contribs (he/they) 18:21, 11 October 2022 (UTC)

Daily Mail vandalism?
hello - I noticed the use of the initials 'AP' here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Daily_Mail#Successful_lawsuits_against_the_Mail under 2019 and 2021 - made a note on the talk page. Before I edit, it occurred to me to share the fact in case it's a bigger problem. AP is usually taken to mean The Associated Press - should read 'ANL' Associated Newspapers Ltd. Thelisteninghand (talk) 20:14, 11 October 2022 (UTC)
 * I couldn't find where "Daily Mail" was changed to "AP" in the article history, but if you check the cited sources, you'll see that it's wrong and should be corrected. ~Anachronist (talk) 20:48, 11 October 2022 (UTC)
 * I thought so. Done. Cheers. Thelisteninghand (talk) 21:29, 11 October 2022 (UTC)

Editing table/fixtures data on sporting pages
Is there a resource available which shows how to edit/generate tables on sporting pages such as at https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:2023_FIFA_Women%27s_World_Cup_qualification_%E2%80%93_UEFA_group_tables ?

I'd like to contribute to articles of the more niche sports but I find the current setup very tricky to navigate, is there somewhere I can be pointed to? Calico1903 (talk) 20:10, 11 October 2022 (UTC)


 * Tables in wiki markup can be confusing, but it's even worse in raw HTML. See Help:Wikitable to learn more about tables. ~Anachronist (talk) 20:49, 11 October 2022 (UTC)
 * In my experience, Wikipedia's table markup is even worse than raw html. Neither is fun to use. Maproom (talk) 21:28, 11 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Template:2023 FIFA Women's World Cup qualification – UEFA group tables uses neither wiki markup nor HTML to make tables. It calls Module:Sports table with . See Module:Sports table/WDL for documentation of the   variant. PrimeHunter (talk) 22:47, 11 October 2022 (UTC)

Wikipedia Page Creator
There are so many companies out there that claims to be the best, I was wondering if anyone has some reliable and professional referrals? 173.197.161.118 (talk) 22:06, 11 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Best at what? And what does this have to do with editing Wikipedia? Wikipedia doesn't care what companies say about themselves. We care only what unconnected reliable sources have to say about them. ~Anachronist (talk) 22:09, 11 October 2022 (UTC)
 * I think the IP is asking about companies that advertise Wikipedia article creation services. 199.208.172.35 (talk) 22:11, 11 October 2022 (UTC)
 * If you are talking about article creation services, Wikipedia does not allow paid editing unless the editor properly discloses their employer in accordance with WP:PAID. Iscargra (talk) 22:21, 11 October 2022 (UTC)
 * And most outfits that offer Wikipedia article creation services are either scammers or banned from Wikipedia for abuse. —<i style="color: #1E90FF;">Jéské Couriano</i>  v^&lowbar;^v  a little blue Bori 23:14, 11 October 2022 (UTC)


 * They are? [Citation needed] ¶ I rather often review unusually competent drafts, free of any obvious promotionalism, by new, single-purpose accounts. I presume that many of these accounts are among very many that are created by commercial services, quickly used, and then forgotten. However, I have no clear evidence that these are commercial services and am obliged to "AGF"; therefore, if such a draft seems good, I uncomplainingly accept it. If it's what I suspect it is, WP:PAID is being contravened; but I've no reason to think that the perp has scammed their client. I'm not even sure that competent commercial services produce less stuff here than do incompetent commercial services: it's just that the fruits of the latter are (often laughably) conspicuous. -- Hoary (talk) 23:36, 11 October 2022 (UTC)

Review of draft
Would someone please look at this article my draft for Tommy Byars (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Tommy_Byars#cite_note-4) and tell me if it is ready for submittion. It has been declined twice. I have worked on it with the help of others, but not sure if it is ready. HELP PLEASE! Cjmodica (talk) 18:15, 6 October 2022 (UTC) Cjmodica (talk) 18:30, 6 October 2022 (UTC)


 * This line in Early Life: "He was a resident of Beaumont, Texas, where he owned and operated the Harley Davidson and Suzuki Dealerships." implies that he owned two(?) dealerships in his teens. In the Tragedy section, you state that he was injured in an explosion in 1941 when he would be 13 years old. Specifications also need to be discussed in the "years to recover" as just three years later, he was refereeing for motorcycle races. Plus, lack on specification on some areas and generally looking like a Descriptive Narrative piece of text rather than an informative page in an encyclopaedia is probably why you got denied. Raymond Kestis (talk) 03:36, 11 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Was it denied? I thought it was approved. The article on Byars' injury is fairly detailed. See references 39 & 40.  Byars owned one business, the Harley Davidson Dealership from the time his father died in 1952 until he took on the Suzuki motorcycles, dropping the Harley Dealership in 1973. See reference #5. He continued to sell Suzukies until he and his wife, Joyce R. Byars, retired.  See references 6,7 & 8. Cjmodica (talk) 04:56, 12 October 2022 (UTC)

Would someone please look at this article ( Draft:Tommy Byars)and tell me if it is ready for submitting again. It was declined the first two times. I have worked on it with the help of others, but not sure if it is ready. HELP PLEASE! Cjmodica (talk) 18:15, 6 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Hello, . Much of the prose is promotional and subjective. Your references are poorly presented and lacking crucial bibliographic information. For example, you mention an article in the San Francisco Chronicle but do no give the title or the author of that article. The same is true of your other newspaper sources. Cullen328 (talk) 18:29, 6 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Would you please help me? I do not understand or know how to do this. Cjmodica (talk) 18:39, 6 October 2022 (UTC)
 * @Cjmodica Unfortunately, writing an article takes a lot of work, after learning rules and technical jargon.  Teahouse hosts will answer questions, but you'll need to do the work.  Don't give up! David10244 (talk) 07:07, 7 October 2022 (UTC)
 * I have worked very hard and long hours trying to learn this. I have really learned a lot, but still don't know what I am doing.  Would you please look at my draft for Tommy Byars and tell me if it is ready to submit for review? Cjmodica (talk) 16:37, 8 October 2022 (UTC)
 * - 199.208.172.35 (talk) 18:21, 6 October 2022 (UTC)
 * , you presumably have access to the relevant newspaper clippings. I don't. Cullen328 (talk) 18:43, 6 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Thanks; I am trying, but just haven't figured it out yet. Maybe someday before my time is up, I will get it. Cjmodica (talk) 18:48, 7 October 2022 (UTC)
 * @Cjmodica Have you read wp:yfa?  That should help. David10244 (talk) 07:20, 8 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Thank you! I am reading it now that I have done everything backwards. Cjmodica (talk) 16:12, 8 October 2022 (UTC)
 * I have added the news article clippings. Could you please look and tell me if it is ready to submit now?  I am excited and anxious to publish my first article. Cjmodica (talk) 16:09, 8 October 2022 (UTC)

why iam not able to move my page to wikepedia?
I need to add my page to wikepedia Globifydigital (talk) 05:10, 11 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Hi . Is the page your referring to Peringottukara Devasthanam Sree Vishnumaya Swami Temple? You created that directly in the article namespace so technically it is an "article"; however, I have a feeling that it won't be one for long and may end up being draftied or possibly even nominated for deletion. Generally, creating new articles can be quite hard since there's lots of policies and guidelines to meet that new users aren't really familiar with. It probably would've been better for you to submit this to Wikipedia:Articles for creation for review since drafts upgraded to articles that way tend to have most of their serious problems sorted out before entering the article namespace and thus are less likely going to end up nominated for deletion. Would you like someone to move this back to the draft namespace so that you can continue working on it? Finally, I'm just curious about your username. Is it by chance the name of a company or some other type of organization? --Marchjuly (talk) 05:49, 11 October 2022 (UTC)
 * @Globifydigital, @Marchjuly That article has no inline citations. David10244 (talk) 07:22, 11 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Yes, the "article" was still in need of lots of work (properly formatted inline citations being one of those things), but not having inline citations or having poorly formatted citations is not usually a reason for deletion or even draftification. Such things can usually be fixed without draftifying anything per WP:PRESERVE. The bigger problem was that it's not clear how the subject meets WP:GNG and that's something that can be really hard to WP:OVERCOME. -- Marchjuly (talk) 08:40, 11 October 2022 (UTC)
 * @Marchjuly Thanks for that info; I am still fairly new. I see the "search for sources" note at the "preserve" link you provided. It seemed to me that the reliably sourced info in the article needed to demonstrate notability, and if there are no inline references, then the subject hasn't been shown to be notable... but that link helped.  Thanks again for the tips. David10244 (talk) 04:51, 12 October 2022 (UTC)
 * A Wikipedia administrator named has moved the article to the draft namespace and it can now be found at Draft:Peringottukara Devasthanam Sree Vishnumaya Swami Temple. Since Cordless Larry didn't delete the content, they obviously feel there's some potential for it to someday become a viable Wikipedia article. I suggest you take a look at WP:YFA and HELP:REFBEGIN for some general tips on how to write and format a proper Wikipedia article and work on improving the draft. I don't suggest trying to recreate the article in article namespace again yourself, but instead submit the draft to Wikipedia's Article for Creation for review when you think its ready. -- Marchjuly (talk) 08:40, 11 October 2022 (UTC)
 * @Marchjuly The renamed user "Globify" has submitted the draft with (as far as I can tell) no improvements.  Maybe they didn't understand how they were being asked to proceed. David10244 (talk) 04:56, 12 October 2022 (UTC)

Per your Talk page, you are blocked until you either change your User name or discontinue using Globifydigital and start a new account. Either way, you could then continue to edit the draft. David notMD (talk) 09:49, 11 October 2022 (UTC)

How to manage my watchlist?
I decided to use Twinkle to undo a bunch of vandalism, but now my watchlist is messed up. I want to only watch pages I've created that aren't warning user talk pages. How do I get rid of all of the pages added by Twinkle? I have noticed that the Twinkle watchlist pages do expire in a month, while the ones I watch when making pages don't expire ever, but there doesn't seem to be a button for cleaning out all non-permanent entries. RPI2026F1 (talk) 02:19, 12 October 2022 (UTC)


 * @RPI2026F1 Hello, and welcome to the Teahouse! You can edit your watchlist, by clicking on "Edit your list of watched pages" just above the "saved filters" button. This will allow you to edit your watchlist and remove pages you don't want to see. Otherwise, you could read Help:Watchlist for clearer information. Jolly1253 (talk) 02:27, 12 October 2022 (UTC)
 * You can also adjust the settings for Twinkle at Twinkle/Preferences to not watch the talk pages of users you warn. <b style="color:#C64600">Madeline</b> (<small style="color:#613583">part of me ) 07:06, 12 October 2022 (UTC)

wiki page Finland-NATO relations update
In the section entitled "Membership timeline", the Event box states 27/30 countries have ratified protocol. However, Greece ratified on September 15 and so that number should be edited to read 28/30. The accompanying map should also be edited. I cannot do these edits myself because my membership level is not high enough. Finland–NATO relations Rmm8 (talk) 07:16, 12 October 2022 (UTC)
 * I've corrected the number. In the future, you can request such changes on the talk page of the article. <b style="color:#C64600">Madeline</b> (<small style="color:#613583">part of me ) 07:21, 12 October 2022 (UTC)
 * It got undone, apparently Greece has not yet deposited their ratification. <b style="color:#C64600">Madeline</b> (<small style="color:#613583">part of me ) 07:26, 12 October 2022 (UTC)

red names and other wikimedia website
Hello,

I've come accross some username that appears red, (I've also found highlighted username as well). And I was wondering why.

Also, I'm not sure to understand the purpose of the meta-wiki and what it is used for.

Thank you Vincent-vst (talk) 05:00, 12 October 2022 (UTC)
 * A red username just means the user hasn't created a user page. It's quite common. There is no requirement to create a user page. ~Anachronist (talk) 05:24, 12 October 2022 (UTC)
 * @Vincent-vst As to Main Page that's an area that co-ordinates stuff common to all the language versions of Wikipedia. So, while each language sets its own standards for notability and style, there are some aspects that need to be in common, for example the logon systems, access to files in Wikimedia Commons and software bug fixes. Most editors here probably ignore these topics. Mike Turnbull (talk) 09:45, 12 October 2022 (UTC)

Adding company details.
Hello, I want to add my company details in manufacturing list. Can you help me out please? Dhanwant.patel (talk) 03:49, 11 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Do in-depth, non-routine, independent-of-the-subject news/scholarly sources written by identifiable authors and subjected to rigourous fact-checking exist? —<i style="color: #1E90FF;">Jéské Couriano</i>  v^&lowbar;^v  a little blue Bori 03:53, 11 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Hello, and welcome to the Teahouse. Probably not. Lists in Wikipedia are not usually lists of objects in the world (people, places, companies etc): they are lists of Wikipedia articles. If there is a Wikipedia article about your company, then it could be added to a list. There can be an article about the ccompany only if the company meets Wikipedia's criteria for notability, which basically say that there is enough information published entirely independently of the company to be the basis for an article about the company. Note that Wikipedia is not interested in what the subject of an article says or wants to say about themselves, or what their associates say about them. Wikipedia is only interested in what people who have no connection with the subject, and who have not been prompted or fed information on behalf of the subject, have chosen to publish about the subject in reliable sources. ColinFine (talk) 05:02, 11 October 2022 (UTC)
 * It is likely there is no list to add this company to. However, if there is an article listing manufacturers of the sort that the company is a member of then it could be added, whether or not the company itself is notable, if the list article isn't exclusively for notable companies. Guidance at WP:LISTCOMPANY Gab4gab (talk) 10:16, 12 October 2022 (UTC)

Help with cropping CC image and adding to infobox of BLP
Hi, budding editor learning the ropes here. I'm comfortable making edits to the text of an article but am totally green regarding the use of images. I want to add an image to the infobox of Jason Benetti but am unsure exactly how to proceed. I found an image of him (left) on Wikimedia Commons which I think is freely licensed based on my reading of Image use policy (it's CC BY-SA 3.0) but I'm not 100% sure how to add it to the article, especially since the photo has 2 people in it and needs to be cropped to show only him. Can anybody give me a quick rundown on this? TomFitz77 (talk) 02:36, 12 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Hi. The easiest thing for you to probably do would be to post a request a c:COM:GL/P and ask someone else to crop the image. Otherwise, you could download the image to your own computer, create a crop yourself, and then reupload the crop to Commons as a new file if you want. There's also (I think) a technical way to "crop" an image using syntax, but that's not really a crop per se since no new file is created; however, I'm not familiar with the specifics on how to do such a thing. -- Marchjuly (talk) 03:02, 12 October 2022 (UTC)
 * @TomFitz77 There is a good crop tool available on Commons. See Commons:CropTool. You can install it and use it on the image. In this case, make sure you take the option to create a new file, rather than overwriting the existing file, as you will just need the head-and-shoulders for the article infobox but someone may want the full image elsewhere. The alternative using a software-enabled "crop" is described at Annotated image but I wouldn't advise that in this case. Mike Turnbull (talk) 12:02, 12 October 2022 (UTC)

Writing Articles
I would like to write article about a person who is quite known. To follow the Wikipedia guidelines of writing properly what things I have to see more precisely. 1. How to figure out the person notability? 2. What news articles are acceptable and how to figure that out if good to go ? 3. How many new articles need to be attached as a reference? 4. Is YouTube or social media videos are acceptable as a reference? 5. How to upload pictures of that person on the Wikipedia? And how to get it approved from it ? Should we pick directly from online and copyright ©️ it ? please help me out and guide me properly with these questions to write articles. ThomasAnthony23 (talk) 07:29, 12 October 2022 (UTC)
 * As you use "we" I gather that you may be associated with the person you wish to write about; please read conflict of interest and paid editing for information on required formal disclosures.
 * The definition of a notable person is written on this linked page.
 * There is not a specific number of references that is required, but if you submit a draft via Articles for Creation(highly recommended until you routinely have articles accepted) most reviewers look for at least three. References must have significant coverage of the person and not be a brief mention, interview, or mere documentation of what the person does, the coverage must go in depth as to why the person is significant or important.
 * YouTube videos are in general not acceptable as a source, unless the video is from a recognized news outlet on their verified channel. I again note that interviews with the person are not acceptable regardless of the medium.
 * The easiest way to upload a photo is if you took the photo yourself with your own camera. Do NOT just take an image from somewhere on the internet, as likely the copyright is not compatible.
 * I hope this helps you- please see Your First Article. I would also suggest using the new user tutorial.  Creating a new article is the most difficult task to attempt on Wikipedia, and it's good to go into it with some experience and knowledge.  Maybe also spend time editing existing articles, to get a feel for what is being looked for. 331dot (talk) 08:27, 12 October 2022 (UTC)
 * I am still requiring more information about adding a picture. I saw that person has pictures on google image section . How can I bring that bring and add it to the Wikipedia without effecting my place.
 * Also if the person have interviews doesn it acceptable? If so what are they?
 * How the deletion process works and why ? If so how to appeal them to remove ThomasAnthony23 (talk) 13:25, 12 October 2022 (UTC)
 * @ThomasAnthony23, most images on the internet are copyrighted under an incompatible license. Please do not take images from Google and attempt to upload them without investigating their copyright status carefully.
 * Interviews cannot be used to establish notability because they are not independent. They can be used for other things, but notability needs to be established first.
 * There are several deletion processes on Wikipedia, covering many different situations. See WP:DELETE. 199.208.172.35 (talk) 13:35, 12 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Also see the answers to your previous question here. 199.208.172.35 (talk) 13:37, 12 October 2022 (UTC)

Supportive Documentation Declined for Draft Tommy Byars
How can I support what I am writing in an article where I have attached the actual newspaper clipping if Wikipedia does not support the website genealogy.com where the actual news article is posted? ie. Cjmodica (talk) 00:53, 9 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Cjmodica you reference the newspaper article – Byars Capture ‘Cycle Feature, Fort Worth Star-Telegram, June 6, 1955, page 12 Karenthewriter (talk) 01:41, 9 October 2022 (UTC)
 * P.S. I didn't use the complete referencing format, for that would move the citation down to the bottom of all of the Teahouse postings, and I wanted it to stay with this post. Karenthewriter (talk) 01:49, 9 October 2022 (UTC)
 * @Karenthewriter: You can put reftalk at the end of this section to make a references box that won't go to the bottom of the page. — Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 02:09, 9 October 2022 (UTC)
 * I'm not sure if I understand what you mean. Cjmodica (talk) 01:56, 9 October 2022 (UTC)


 * I am very sorry for confusing you, and will try to explain things clearer. You cannot use a genealogy cite for a reference. But since the newspaper article you attached has the proper citation information, use that instead. Newspaper article title, name of newspaper, date of newspaper, newspaper page number where article appears. (If the name of the author had been given, the author would have been included in the citation.) Karenthewriter (talk) 02:52, 9 October 2022 (UTC)


 * Thank you for answering my question. I used templates for my sources and entered the date requested, including the url link. Should I not enter the link that takes you to the article?  Would you please look at my draft for Tommy Byars <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Tommy_Byars#cite_note-4> and let me know if it is ready to submit for review? I would greatly appreciate it. Cjmodica (talk) 05:01, 9 October 2022 (UTC)

Need Help for Draft of Tommy Byars
Would someone please tell me what is wrong with this draft? HELP Please! I don't know what else to do. I'm at my wits end. I am handicapped in drafting my first article. Is there someone that can please clean it up to where it can be submitted for review. I really don't want to give up. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Tommy_Byars#cite_note-4 Cjmodica (talk) 02:48, 9 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Your draft was just waiting to be reviewed, it can take up to four months and patience is required, I have reviewed and accepted it. Theroadislong (talk) 07:52, 9 October 2022 (UTC)
 * OMG---Thank you. I am so confused and still learning. Should I quit adding new information that I find regarding Tommy Byars or may I continue to edit this article? Cjmodica (talk) 05:24, 12 October 2022 (UTC)
 * @Cjmodica: Welcome to the Teahouse, and congratulations on getting an article accepted into mainspace! So long as information is reliably sourced, there's no reason why you (or others) can't continue to contribute to it. — Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 05:32, 12 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Thank you. I do have more information to add but thought I might be in violation for doing so. Cjmodica (talk) 05:39, 12 October 2022 (UTC)
 * , a lot of highly experienced editors have spent a lot of time giving you advice and assistance in creating this article about a motorcycle racer and dealer. Can you please remind us all what your personal connection with the subject is? Cullen328 (talk) 05:51, 12 October 2022 (UTC)
 * My personal connection is my home town of Beaumont, Texas and Mr. Byars was well known in our area. I purchased a motorcycle from the Byars dealership in the early 70s. Beaumont and the surrounding counties have numerous well known and notable people and businessmen, such as Walter Humphrey (world renown lawyer), Janis Joplin, Babe Saharius, Mark Chestnut, Tracy Byrd, George Jones, Johnny Winter, Edgar Winter and more.  I don't think it is a conflict of interest but if it is, I will give it up. I love reading and writing.  That is my interest.  Next, I plan to write about my ancestor, Judith Jefferson Farrar, the aunt of President Thomas Jefferson.  Will that be a conflict of interest since I am kin to her? Cjmodica (talk) 06:33, 12 October 2022 (UTC)
 * @Cjmodica, that's probably a remote enough connection for the COI requirements not to apply - after all, go back far enough and we're all more or less related to everyone else. The essential problem is being able to write neutrally - about both the good and the bad that people have done, without trying to promote the one or cover up the other. You had a bit of an issue with this in your first article because you wrote it more or less from a fan's perspective. Try to take a more objective view of things and you should be okay. 199.208.172.35 (talk) 14:05, 12 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Thank you. I have tried to correct all of the suggestions given in order to improve my first article before going on to write a second article. Cjmodica (talk) 14:54, 12 October 2022 (UTC)
 * You mentioned that I have received a lot of help from highly experienced editors and I am extremely grateful for their help. I could not have written this article without their help. I am a perfectionist and I want everything to be correct.  I thought Teahouse was a place to ask questions and learn. Are questions limited on Teahouse? Cjmodica (talk) 06:41, 12 October 2022 (UTC)
 * @Cjmodica, there's no question limit at the Teahouse, though it's best to keep all questions related to the same subject to the same thread - it's much less confusing that way (and if the thread gets archived, start a new one with a link to the old one). You're new and have been a bit scattershot when asking new questions, but as long as you listen and learn, it's all good. 199.208.172.35 (talk) 14:10, 12 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Thank you. So--when I am asking new questions, do I ask the new question in the same thread or do I start a new question on Teahouse? Cjmodica (talk) 14:46, 12 October 2022 (UTC)
 * @Cjmodica, if you have an entirely new question, one that's not related to any other question you've got "open" on the "front page" of the Teahouse, then start a new section. But if it's another question about the same article (like Tommy Byars), or the same topic, just stick to one thread, so all the talk is in one place and everyone can easily review what's been said before. 199.208.172.35 (talk) 15:23, 12 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Thank you very much. My goal is to contribute more articles in the future and be the best that I can be; therefore, I will be asking many more questions. Cjmodica (talk) 15:58, 12 October 2022 (UTC)
 * May I ask since I was referred to you because you are one of the better editors and because you have an interest in motorcycles, what is your interest in Mr. Byars? Did you know him? Cjmodica (talk) 14:01, 12 October 2022 (UTC)

Does Wikipedia offer services
Hello all and thank you in advance for any help. I am trying to get a page published that had previously been declined before I became involved. I have spent a lot of time reviewing guidelines to try and make it meet all Wikipedia guidelines. Would anyone please take a moment and offer suggestions. It is a relatively short page. Draft:FSD Pharma Also, I heard before that Wikipedia offers services to help ensure a page is proper, meeting all guidelines and requirements. Is this correct? If so, could someone provide me guidance as to where to purchase these services? We don't have any issue spending a few dollars to work directly with Wikipedia. Thanks again! Mav5x5 (talk) 17:37, 11 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Hi, Mav5x5, and welcome to the Teahouse! I'm afraid you might have misunderstood; there is no such service provided by Wikipedia, and anyone claiming to offer such services more likely than not trying to scam you. Wikipedia is a 100% volunteer organization; we have no paid services of any kind, and we editors do not get paid or compensated for our contributions. Speaking of which, if you're being paid to edit Wikipedia by your own employer, you will need to disclose that officially, if you haven't already. There are instructions at WP:PAID. Please bear in mind that editing for pay is strongly discouraged on Wikipedia--though not forbidden outright, as long as you make the proper disclosures--and you will need to proceed very carefully. Writ Keeper &#9863;&#9812; 17:41, 11 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Thanks Writ Keeper! I figured it was some sort of scammy stuff. I was just live chatting with GenNotability and he/she was super nice about providing some info. I had previously read/chatted about proper disclosures. I am working with the company on communications and have disclosed that FSD Pharma created the page (Draft:FSD Pharma). I appreciate any advice as I am definitely trying to do things correctly and by the book. Love Wikipedia and would even like to do some volunteer editing myself to help out around here. Mav5x5 (talk) 17:58, 11 October 2022 (UTC)
 * The standard place to make such a disclosure is on your user page (User:Mav5x5). Just copy/paste the following:
 * Insert employer name and client name as applicable where it says InsertName.
 * There is also a template that can be used on the talk page of the draft, Connected contributor (paid) - this template can easily be inserted for you by someone else if the parameters are confusing. 199.208.172.35 (talk) 18:16, 11 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Thank you. I created the Mav5x5 page as instructed and received a message about proper disclosure. I will admit that I am confused about how and where to insert the template. Again, any help is appreciated. Hopefully I can pass it on to others going forward. Mav5x5 (talk) 18:26, 11 October 2022 (UTC)
 * @Mav5x5, you need to remove the nowiki tags - these things:   . The visual editor may have inserted them automatically. The template won't display correctly with them in place. 199.208.172.35 (talk) 18:34, 11 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Ahh, I see that now. Done. It shows up cleanly with that edit. Now, are there things that I need to put on the draft page to make sure all is following Wikipedia disclosure guidance in addition to the "Disclosure" section? Draft:FSD Pharma Thank you! Mav5x5 (talk) 18:40, 11 October 2022 (UTC)
 * @Mav5x5, I put the template on the talk page for you, it's the yellow box at the top of Draft talk:FSD Pharma. You can adjust if anything is incorrect. 199.208.172.35 (talk) 18:43, 11 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Awesome, thanks. I am starting to understand this process now. Good info. So everything look compliant now? You all are the best. Glad GenNotability directed me here. Mav5x5 (talk) 18:47, 11 October 2022 (UTC)
 * @Mav5x5, you seem to be all good on the paid editing front. Since there's been quite a bit of previously undisclosed paid editing, the little box at the top which says "may have been created or edited in return for undisclosed payments" will probably stay until a reviewer takes a good look and decides the draft is okay.
 * I haven't given your draft or its sources an in-depth look - I'm a bit limited in what I can do (besides not being terribly experienced) - so hopefully someone else will bring up any issues on that front. I did remove the disclosure section from the bottom (not necessary, that's what the templates are for) and I created a references section. 199.208.172.35 (talk) 19:04, 11 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Holy cow thanks a ton. Okay on the little box, I think a bunch of that stuff was done before I came around. I can't tell you how much your help is appreciated. I'll pay it forward for sure when possible. Mav5x5 (talk) 19:24, 11 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Welp, Theroadislong, decline the draft again. The comment is the "undisclosed compensation is rife here." Trying to do it correctly and really don't think the article is remotely promotional. Not sure what to do at this point. Mav5x5 (talk) 19:28, 11 October 2022 (UTC)
 * @Mav5x5, the reason for their decline is in the pink box at the top: This submission's references do not show that the subject qualifies for a Wikipedia article—that is, they do not show significant coverage (not just passing mentions) about the subject in published, reliable, secondary sources that are independent of the subject (see the guidelines on the notability of organizations and companies). Their additional comment was simply an additional comment. The sources are the problem.
 * Honestly, it doesn't seem like the company has done a whole lot except buy other companies and start-then-stop development of drugs. There just may not be enough for a Wikipedia article yet. Maybe there will be in the future. 199.208.172.35 (talk) 19:38, 11 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Fortunately, @Mav5x5, it's very easy and completely free to "work directly with Wikipedia" - you've already done it by making edits and communicating with other editors. You are as much "Wikipedia" as any of us are, which is to say, no one is, and everyone is. 199.208.172.35 (talk) 17:55, 11 October 2022 (UTC)
 * That's a really cool way of presenting it! Thanks. Mav5x5 (talk) 17:59, 11 October 2022 (UTC)
 * WP does offer a welcome and mentorship to newcomers. See your talkpage as I have now posted there and will help in any way I can. I can't compete with the wonderful Teahouse of course, but perhaps I can supplement them a little with the simple stuff. Jenhawk777 (talk) 19:05, 11 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Hello, Mav5x5. The fact that you are talking about "get a page published" suggests that you have a very common misconception that a Wikipedia article about your company is in any way for your company's benefit. It might be, of course, but that is absolutely no part of Wikipedia's purpose. Wikipedia's purpose in respect of an article about your company is to summarize what independent reliable sources have said about your company - whether or not you like what those sources say. Wikipedia is not interested in what the subject of an article says or wants to say about themselves, or what their associates say about them. Wikipedia is only interested in what people who have no connection with the subject, and who have not been prompted or fed information on behalf of the subject, have chosen to publish about the subject in reliable sources. ColinFine (talk) 19:29, 11 October 2022 (UTC)
 * I took a look at the article and Googled the company and don't see enough media coverage to meet WP:NCORP. I did see this and to a lesser degree this, but that's it. I think it's WP:TOOSOON.  When you have drugs approved, there'll be coverage that you can use. <b style="color:#7F007F">TimTempleton</b> <sup style="color:#800080">(talk)  <sup style="color:#7F007F">(cont)  23:07, 11 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Thank you all for the input. It has been extremely helpful. Mav5x5 (talk) 18:01, 12 October 2022 (UTC)

Reliable Sources
Hi, I added a couple sources to the Salt (Cryptography) page, I'm wondering if "The Joy of Cryptography" and "A Graduate Course in Applied Cryptography" are reliable sources, both are self published / available for free online. Joy of Cryptography is self published by Associate Prof. Mike Rosulek from Oregon State Uni, and is used in courses at other colleges, info available on this page. Graduate Course in Applied Cryptography is also self published by two profs from Stanford, both previous sources are pulled from this UIUC course page. Course in Applied Cryptography is also a textbook for this course at UCSD. I'm also wondering whether its appropriate to remove the two cleanup tags at this point? Thanks! Variouspotatoes (talk) 19:54, 12 October 2022 (UTC)


 * Hi @Variouspotatoes, welcome to the Teahouse. WP:RSN is the place to discuss the reliability of sources - the fact that some are self-published will count against them, but in their favor will be the credentials of their authors. 199.208.172.35 (talk) 20:36, 12 October 2022 (UTC)

New user creating a bio page
I am new to creating and I am completely lost on how to create my own page. Any help would be greatly appreciated. WineGlass4Jesus (talk) 20:20, 12 October 2022 (UTC)


 * Hi @WineGlass4Jesus, welcome to the Teahouse. I assume you mean that you want to write an article about yourself. While not forbidden, this is highly discouraged for a number of reasons - see WP:AUTOBIO and WP:An article about yourself isn't necessarily a good thing.
 * If you still want to go through with it, read Help: Your first article very carefully. You will need to establish that you are notable by Wikipedia's standards, and you will need to gather several reliable, independent, secondary, published sources that talk about you at some length. Do not copy/paste from those sources; you will need to summarize them in your own words and then cite them (see Help:Referencing for beginners). Finally, at long last, you can submit your draft article to WP:AfC and wait for it to be reviewed. It may be accepted; it may be declined, with areas noted for improvement; it may be rejected as entirely unsuitable for Wikipedia. 199.208.172.35 (talk) 20:31, 12 October 2022 (UTC)
 * This depends on what you mean by your "own page." If you mean a user bio like social media platforms, the closest Wikipedia has to this is User pages. WP:UP has information on their purpose and scope. If you mean an actual article about yourself, it is generally advised against doing so because of possible conflicts of interest and bias. See WP:AUTO for more information. Iscargra (talk) 20:48, 12 October 2022 (UTC)
 * The OP might be referring to the biography Draft:Saghar Erica Kasraie, which was deleted as a copyright violation. We take copyright very seriously and we act swiftly to remove any violations. You absolutely cannot copy text from another website here, unless the copyright holder has explicitly put the content into public domain or released it under an acceptable free license. Even if you have permission to use the material, Wikipedia doesn't have permission to republish it, and we cannot take the word of some random user account that it's OK. Permission must be granted by having the copyright holder send an affidavit to the Wikimedia foundation releasing the content. See WP:CONSENT for more details. ~Anachronist (talk) 21:12, 12 October 2022 (UTC)

Adding a Link (part 2)
Could someone tell me how to add a link to a particular person, place or think? Cjmodica (talk) 20:47, 12 October 2022 (UTC)
 * If you're asking about a wikilink, you type for example  to get Apple in Wikitext. In the visual editor there is a button in the toolbar to do the same.  <b style="color:#C64600">Madeline</b> (<small style="color:#613583">part of me ) 20:51, 12 October 2022 (UTC)
 * OMG, I will try this. It seems so simple but there is so much to learn. Thanks! Cjmodica (talk) 20:52, 12 October 2022 (UTC)
 * @Cjmodica, and if you want to add a link to an external site, you use single brackets: becomes . Or you can add a phrase at the end, so those words show up instead of a number: link to commons becomes link to commons. The little link/infinity symbol at the top of the box when replying to someone will add an internal or external link for you. 199.208.172.35 (talk) 20:55, 12 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Thank you. I need to practice this. Cjmodica (talk) 21:00, 12 October 2022 (UTC)
 * @Cjmodica, you can do all sorts of practicing in your sandbox, if you like - User:Cjmodica/sandbox. Basically no one will be watching, and if you screw up, it doesn't matter. Sandboxes are very handy. 199.208.172.35 (talk) 21:04, 12 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Yes, please don't make test edits in main space articles. You can copy an article to your sandbox if you want to practice on it. ~Anachronist (talk) 21:06, 12 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Though that gets into all the weeds about WP:Copying within Wikipedia. Easy enough once you get the idea - and as long as you remember to do it! 199.208.172.35 (talk) 21:09, 12 October 2022 (UTC)
 * OH, now I understand what Sandbox if for. Okay, that helps me a bunch.  I feel so incompetent, but trying to make it perfect. I think I am about to move on to the next article, but I will still try to finish my last finishing touches in Sandbox.  Thanks to all of you so much for the input, support and help. Cjmodica (talk) 21:16, 12 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Now, I really feel incompetent, especially in spelling. Is there a way to edit my own remarks above? Cjmodica (talk) 21:21, 12 October 2022 (UTC)
 * If you need to correct spelling, don't click "reply" (I never use that feature), just click "edit" next to the section heading and make the correction. I do that all the time; a large portion of what I write has a small mistake that I catch only after I click "Publish changes". If you need to change the meaning, it might be best to strike through the original phrase next to your corrected one.
 * When you're satisfied with what you did in the sandbox, just paste whatever you changed into the original article. ~Anachronist (talk) 21:32, 12 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Thanks Cjmodica (talk) 22:26, 12 October 2022 (UTC)

should all sockpuppets be tagged?
Hi. I'm not new here, but I'm infrequent enough that I don't know the right place to post this.

A user admitted to sockpuppetry last year. The two accounts are Zelnhelm_the_Wise and Zelnhelmthegreat. It's come up in discussion at a recent AN that his sockpuppets are not tagged as those of others are. One cannot find these accounts by searching by his username. You can read about it here on the user's archived talk page.

My questions:


 * 1) Shouldn't these accounts be formally linked to his account and categorized as sockpuppets? Or is there some policy that such continued sock stealth is acceptable under certain circumstances?
 * 2) If they should be tagged so, where would I go to request the proper tagging/categorization on the user page instead of just the talk page (where people could miss it) and linking it to the original user?

Thank you! DiamondRemley39 (talk) 15:17, 12 October 2022 (UTC)


 * Note there's also a thread at the Administrator's Noticeboard about this, started independently. 199.208.172.35 (talk) 15:33, 12 October 2022 (UTC)

Adding bridges to establishments by year in place
I noticed that Andrews Causeway was in the category. Should other such bridges, such as Angelina River Bridge be added to their respective categories as well ( in this case) or should bridges be left out of the establishment categories? Rusentaja (talk) 22:27, 12 October 2022 (UTC)


 * The category description says "Organizations, places, or other things", so technically it should be in the category. But I would start an RfC before mass adding this to articles. Sungodtemple (talk) 00:31, 13 October 2022 (UTC)

Any suggestions?
I've created the Draft:La Petatera and would appreciate any suggestions for the article (sources, formatting, etc.) and any comments regarding its quality. Mejorar wikiwi (talk) 05:03, 12 October 2022 (UTC)
 * It looks all right although the talk page has a discussion about copyright violations since the article was translated from the Spanish Wikipedia, and the article there is 90% copied verbatim from source websites. They may be lax in enforcing copyright rules in Spain, but here on the English Wikipedia we are strict about it. Please check the original sources and make sure the content isn't a copied translation. It also cannot be a close paraphrase, it must be completely rewritten in different words. ~Anachronist (talk) 05:30, 12 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the reply. The 90% issue has already been dealt with; and I did my very best to avoid using the same wording for the article. It's kinda hard not to use the same words while dealing with technical jargon, but I've done the best i could. Based on what you've wrote all I've got left is for the article to be reviewed/published. Thanks. Mejorar wikiwi (talk) 01:44, 13 October 2022 (UTC)

Proseline
Hi Teahouse, I’m working on a draft of an article that’s turning out to be date-heavy. I’m reading Proseline which suggests that I’ll need to make a decision on whether it's a Timeline or prose. Is there a set of tips or guidelines about how to make this decision? The Proseline essay doesn’t say too much, other than to try it both ways. Alternatively, if anyone knows of an article that accomplishes this (accommodating the needs for both prose and timeline) especially well, I will model this draft after it. Thank you for any tips. GuineaPigC77 ( 𒅗𒌤 ) ☕ 19:31, 12 October 2022 (UTC)


 * @GuineaPigC77 In this case you are summarising a dispute that's gone on for over a century and I like the way you have done it in your draft, which seems to me perfectly readable in sections covering the major time intervals and events. My advice would be to submit the draft once you are happy with it and let others worry about any reorganisation of the material once it is in mainspace. Mike Turnbull (talk) 22:33, 12 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Thank you @Michael D. Turnbull. I'll do exactly that. GuineaPigC77  ( 𒅗𒌤 ) ☕ 01:55, 13 October 2022 (UTC)

Understanding G7 in the CSD.
"If requested in good faith and provided that the only substantial content of the page was added by its author."

What if the author are alternate accounts that you made and then abandoned? Do you still count as the author and can use the Db-g7 template, or must it be the alternate account that started the page who gets to delete it? I know it does say "If the sole author blanks a page other than a userspace page, a category page, or any type of talk page, this can be taken as a deletion request.", but then again the question still applies.

I'm asking this so I can remove some drafts. (Tennsion Gambit: ICBM Variation, Tennsion Gambit: BFG 10000 Variation, Albin Countergambit: NPBMS Variation specifically. These drafts were made and edited by my alts. I could delete them for A7, or other deletion methods) Angerxiety  the ediot  (chat? ⋅ contribs to society ) 02:39, 13 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Users in some cases may have multiple accounts, but they are still the same user. So, as long as the same user is the only person using the accounts, they should be considered the author of the page. If you declare your alternate accounts on your current or primary user page as explained in WP:MULTIPLE, then things should probably be fine. Another possibility to G7 might be WP:G13; in other words, do nothing and let the drafts be deleted for being abandoned. Finally, you could also start a mass WP:MFD for the drafts and explaining you created or edited them using multiple accounts, and now you want them to be deleted. -- Marchjuly (talk) 02:50, 13 October 2022 (UTC)

Category:Paintings depicting the Rosary
Hello, I am not a new editor and have created four categories before now, but I have a question on this one and I wanted to ask to make sure that this one would be correct to make before publishing. I was trying to find examples of artwork that has its own Wikipedia article that depicts the Rosary in it (such as this, this, and this), while trying to improve the page for the Rosary. I had a hard time finding these articles though and it made me think, would a category make this easier? As far as I am aware, categories starting with "Paintings depicting..." do not exist, which is why I wanted to ask here first as to not have the category be nominated for deletion if created. Categories such as "Paintings of..." do exist, but I am hesitant to name the category that, as these paintings do not have the Rosary as the primary focus in them, but they do "depict" them. Any feedback is very much appreciated, thanks!  Johnson 524  (Talk!) 02:18, 13 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Interesting question! Temptation of St. Thomas (Velázquez) isn't primarily about prostitution, and it's in Category:Prostitution in paintings. However, a glance at the latter suggests that the former is rather an anomaly within it; also the latter is an anomalous category title (although, strangely, there does exist Category:Poverty in painting, singular). Perhaps present your suggestion at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Categories, pointing there from Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Visual arts (or vice versa). -- Hoary (talk) 02:37, 13 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Thank you @Hoary for taking the time to write that thorough response to my harder question! I think I will take this to Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Categories if you think this is the best course of action. Before you commented though, I didn't even know that WikiProjects answered these types of questions 😅 Again, thank you for the in-depth response, that really made my day.  Johnson 524  (Talk!) 02:53, 13 October 2022 (UTC)

How do I add NASA template to sources image?
I don't know what's the template name. Can you please help me? https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Typhoon_Maymay_2022.png Noru111344 (talk) 10:06, 11 October 2022 (UTC)


 * What do you mean by "NASA template" and "Sources image"? Prototo258 (talk) 11:54, 11 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Do you mean an infobox? Prototo258 (talk) 11:59, 11 October 2022 (UTC)
 * @Noru111344: commons:template:PD-USGov-NASA? also, you should ask questions about wikimedia commons on commons:commons:help desk. lettherebedarklight, 晚安, おやすみ, ping me when replying 12:03, 11 October 2022 (UTC)
 * licensing. Noru111344 (talk) 12:35, 12 October 2022 (UTC)
 * @Noru111344: that is the licensing template. lettherebedarklight, 晚安, おやすみ, ping me when replying 03:22, 13 October 2022 (UTC)

@Prototo258 The Licensing. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Noru111344 (talk • contribs) 04:02, 12 October 2022 (UTC)

CRS? token
HI! I tried to post a reply to someone on Talk:Historiography of Christianization of the Roman Empire, and it didn't take it, saying I had an invalid CRS token - at least I think it was CRS - then on the second try, it took it. Does anyone there know what a CRS token is, why mine would be invalid, and why it took it afterall? Should I be concerned - or just confused? Jenhawk777 (talk) 18:31, 11 October 2022 (UTC)


 * Hello, Jenhawk. CSRF tokens are nothing to do with Wikipedia, but are part of how the web maintains security. If you're getting the error (and nobody else is) it's probably a momentary glitch which will go away if you try again; though it is possible that you'll need to discard your edits and begin editing again. (If you do that, I suggest copying the text of your edit before you do it). ColinFine (talk) 19:33, 11 October 2022 (UTC)


 * Hey ColinFine thank you so much for responding. It did go away almost immediately, but not before totally freaking me out! Security huh? I guess that means big brother is watching... Anyway, thanx for explaining. Consider this with my gratitude. Jenhawk777 (talk) 03:35, 13 October 2022 (UTC)

Template for referencing a book
Is there a template for referencing a book? If so, where can I find it? Cjmodica (talk) 03:39, 13 October 2022 (UTC)


 * @Cjmodica: cite book. lettherebedarklight, 晚安, おやすみ, ping me when replying 04:12, 13 October 2022 (UTC)

How can I make better descriptions?
I am facing a problem when I am editing grammar. Whenever I try to make a better explanation, I sometimes stop, and then think about it if it is much more understandable for the person reading the paragraph. ￼ Gavinvin13 (talk) 02:54, 13 October 2022 (UTC)
 * We all have that problem when trying to come up with clearer, more compelling prose. Like everything, it takes practice. ~Anachronist (talk) 03:35, 13 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Don't worry about it, we all started off the same way. In time you'll get the hang of what feels like a good edit FishandChipper 🐟🍟 06:19, 13 October 2022 (UTC)

3rd party vote decision
Some users and myself initially established a vote for the inclusion of a certain concept into articles that by all accounts was going in our favor. However, a user of the opposing opinion just set up his own RFC and essentially is seeking a revote. Is there a person or admin that can mediate on this? The ganymedian (talk) 05:00, 13 October 2022 (UTC)


 * This seems to be a sequel to this earlier question of yours, above. How, you asked, could you get more people into a poll? (I'll put aside the question of whether a poll is more appropriate than a discussion.) I responded. One of my suggestions was an RFC. Now you've got an RFC, it seems that you don't want it. This leaves me rather confused. -- Hoary (talk) 07:00, 13 October 2022 (UTC)

I am a new user, and I have a few questions
1. Is there a page of the list of infoboxes? 2: What are Templates? Thehistorianisaac (talk) 17:21, 12 October 2022 (UTC)
 * See List of infoboxes
 * An infobox is a type of template. A template is something that can included in multiple pages to display information consistently. Examples would be infoboxes, user talk page warnings, maintenance templates, and so forth.
 * ~Anachronist (talk) 17:53, 12 October 2022 (UTC)
 * I understand now Thehistorianisaac (talk) 08:45, 13 October 2022 (UTC)
 * I understand now Thehistorianisaac (talk) 08:45, 13 October 2022 (UTC)

Talk and User pages
I want to make my talk/user pages more like other people's, but don't know what I need to do or how to do it. Is there a guide or a list of boxes that can be added? Finessethesystem (talk) 09:01, 13 October 2022 (UTC)


 * Hi @Finessethesystem and welcome to Wikipedia editing. You could start at WP:UBX and linked pages. There is also general advice at WP:UPYES. Bear in mind that your greatest contribution here should focus on building the encyclopaedia. User-facing information is much less important. Mike Turnbull (talk) 09:20, 13 October 2022 (UTC)
 * @Finessethesystem, welcome to the Teahouse! WP:UP and WP:UBG may be of some help. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 09:21, 13 October 2022 (UTC)

Possible copyright issue with image
Looking at this image, I have doubts whether it can legally be on Wikipedia. Not sure how it works but just wanted a second opinion. <span style="color:#2a2f40; padding-top:3px; padding-right:5px; padding-left:5px; border-radius:9em; background:#ebbd26;"> GoldMiner24 Talk 07:15, 13 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Hello, . I share your concern about this image which contains a watermark indicating that it is probably protected by a restrictive copyright. On the other hand, it was uploaded based on a Flikr assertion of an acceptable Creative Commons license. Since the image is hosted on Wikimedia Commons, that is the best place to express your concerns. Cullen328 (talk) 07:29, 13 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Per what's under "Licensing", it should be ok per Commons rules. I'm not familiar with the Personality rights warning thing. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 08:06, 13 October 2022 (UTC)
 * The Flikr license says it is CC-BY-SA 2.0, which is fine. The personality rights warning is not relevant to the use of the file within Wikipedia. It is there to caution that a model release may be required if the image was to be used for commercial purposes. Mike Turnbull (talk) 09:31, 13 October 2022 (UTC)

Rowspan quotations
Do rowspans need their numbers surrounded by quotation marks? As in rowspan="2" vs. rowspan=2? It seems to work fine without it. Hamon669 (talk) 05:00, 13 October 2022 (UTC)
 * , I suspect that the html standard encourages the use of quotation marks. There may be some older browsers which ignore, or misinterpret, the tag if the quotation marks are omitted. Maproom (talk) 08:45, 13 October 2022 (UTC)
 * As far as I can tell, the parser that converts wikitext into HTML will automatically add the quotes, a  will be turned into  . So in wikitext, it doesn't matter. --rchard2scout (talk) 10:39, 13 October 2022 (UTC)

How to create an article for my company ..
wikipedia article for company Sachinmishra698 (talk) 10:31, 13 October 2022 (UTC)


 * You can't just create a Wikipedia article for a company unless it's in some way notable. Wikipedia isn't just a database of things its a collection of notable topics. FishandChipper 🐟🍟 10:33, 13 October 2022 (UTC)


 * Let's suppose for a moment that your company is indeed notable, Sachinmishra698. You create a draft about it (not an article) by first acquiring the necessary skills and experience in improving existing articles. When you think you've acquired these, you make a Paid-contribution disclosure. Then you create the draft and submit it for promotion to article status. The draft will have to cite reliable sources for everything that it says. If your draft gets the promotion, then (to simplify a little) you can never edit it again. (All you can do is make suggestions for it.) -- Hoary (talk) 11:02, 13 October 2022 (UTC)
 * @Sachinmishra698 It's very important to remember that if such an article ever exists, it won't be FOR your company. It will be ABOUT your company.  If someone comes along and puts something in the article you happen not to like, if it's relevant and it's well and reliably sourced, then there won't be much you can do about it.Uporządnicki (talk) 12:47, 13 October 2022 (UTC)

i need to delete my draft.
I made a draft (that was sandbox at the time) called "List of animals named after their feet" moved it to draft, then i realized i cant submit it so i decided to make into article. fortunatly it was thrusted back and then i just deleted it but i know if i decide to make an article again (and i will) i wont be able to because i cant delete it and start over (to my knowledge) edit:sorry if this is hard to understandAbdullah raji (talk) 12:42, 13 October 2022 (UTC)


 * Hi @Abdullah raji - I think you're asking how to fully delete the draft, rather than just blanking it? You seem to have been the only substantial contributor, so you can request speedy deletion by putting the following on the page: . You don't need to delete it in order to create another draft - you can have more than one draft. 199.208.172.35 (talk) 14:07, 13 October 2022 (UTC)
 * thank's Abdullah raji (talk) 14:27, 13 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Welcome to the Teahouse, @Abdullah raji. The draft is still there at Draft:List of Animals Named after their Feet or legs but your last edit to it blanked the page. If you want to go back to an earlier version (intending to continue work) that's an alternative to speedy deletion you can do by using the "View history" tab and choosing an earlier version you now wish to reinstate. For example this version. All that is needed is for you to "Edit source" on that version when it is open in your browser and subsequently "Publish changes". I make no comment on whether the article will ever be acceptable, only a comment on how you can easily continue work on it. Mike Turnbull (talk) 14:12, 13 October 2022 (UTC)
 * @Abdullah raji if you're talking about User:Abdullah raji/sandbox, which was a redirect to Draft:List of Animals Named after their Feet or legs, I have reset that one for you following the procedure described at WP:EDRED. For future note, there is no need to draft all articles directly in your sandbox, anything named Draft:Page Name or User:Abdullah raji/Page name would be an acceptable location for a draft. For the former case you could also use the following form:


 * Hope this helps, Victor Schmidt mobil (talk) 14:54, 13 October 2022 (UTC)

Trying To Understand Reason For Speedy Deletion
Hi all! I was wondering if someone could help me understand why my page was speedily deleted twice. I understood the first time because of some language that was promotional in nature but I sincerely thought I removed all of the promotional language the second time. If someone could help me understand what I did wrong the second time it would be greatly appreciated! Carolinecllw (talk) 15:43, 13 October 2022 (UTC)
 * (note that only administrators can see deleted pages) <b style="color:#C64600">Madeline</b> (<small style="color:#613583">part of me ) 15:48, 13 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Your draft was unambiguous advertising which only promotes a company. Wikipedia is NOT for merely providing information. A Wikipedia article summarizes what independent reliable sources with significant coverage have chosen on their own to say about a topic showing how they meet the special Wikipedia definition of a notable business. Theroadislong (talk) 15:49, 13 October 2022 (UTC)

Stub Article
Could someone please tell me what is a Stub article for https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tommy_Byars? Cjmodica (talk) 21:23, 9 October 2022 (UTC)
 * That article isn't a stub. A stub is typically a very short article, maybe just one or two sentences that describe a subject, makes some assertion of notability, and cites one or more sources. Tommy Byars isn't a stub, it's rather well fleshed out. See my article Sayyid Baraka, I wrote it years ago, and it's still a stub, but it's a notable topic that belongs in main article space. ~Anachronist (talk) 21:25, 9 October 2022 (UTC)
 * OMG, I thought it was a Stub. Thank you for clarifying. Cjmodica (talk) 22:04, 9 October 2022 (UTC)


 * Cjmodica, the stairway for articles is, starting at the bottom: stub, start, C, B, Good Article ("GA"), A, and Featured Article ("FA"). In practice, not so many people seem to have much interest in the levels/distinctions below GA (though it may be considered somewhat ill-mannered to rate one's own creation highly or to bump up its grade). Promotion to GA or (especially) FA requires a fixed and sometimes exhausting procedure; A is little used. -- Hoary (talk) 00:32, 10 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Thank you. It's a lot to learn. Cjmodica (talk) 01:13, 10 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Yes, it's a lot to learn, if you decide to learn it. But it's quite OK to know nothing about it. Just improve articles. If somebody who's interested in this ranking business wants to call your product "C" or "B", let them. If/when you think your article is up to the standards of what are labelled "Good Articles", investigate WP:GA. If/when you're really ambitious, investigate WP:FA. The rest is noise. ¶ Ranking below GA -- that is, from "stub" to "B" -- was of much more importance when English-language Wikipedia was young, and articles on distinctly nontrivial subjects such as atom, Earth, stratosphere, prime number and parabola were mostly feeble, but at unpredictable levels of feebleness. -- Hoary (talk) 03:01, 10 October 2022 (UTC)
 * I would say most of the useful articles on Wikipedia are C-class. These are articles that provide a reasonably complete amount of information on a topic along with reliable sources, but the treatment of the topic may still be missing some key things. See Content assessment for an explanation of the different grades. I'd say yours is beyond start-class, probably C-class, or even between C and B. The difficulty here is that the subject of your article pre-dates the internet, making information and sources harder to find. I'm quite happy to read (and write) C class articles. They generally have similar content as a print encyclopedia would have. ~Anachronist (talk) 21:09, 10 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Thank you most graciously! I am trying to find more information and source for this article. Cjmodica (talk) 22:49, 10 October 2022 (UTC)
 * @Cjmodica Experienced editors, like Hoary above, often suggest that a good way to learn the ins and outs of WP is by reading existing articles (there's a "random article" link), fixing any spelling or grammatical errors that you see, adding any new (relevant, sourced) info where you see a need, learning how to flag bad articles (such as, if they are completely unsourced), etc. After a few months of  this, you'll be more comfortable with the harder task of creating a new article.   Improving some of our 6 million existing articles is probably more valuable than creating new ones. It sounds like you are on your way to becoming a good editor.  It takes time; keep it up. The Tommy Byars article looks to be getting better. David10244 (talk) 04:26, 12 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Thank you so much for the encouragement. I have seen minor errors in some articles, such as grammar or punctuation, but I didn't feel confident enough to edit someone else's work. I will practice on that now that I have done my first article. Cjmodica (talk) 05:49, 12 October 2022 (UTC)
 * It is impossible here to "edit someone else's work" because nobody owns any content here. We even have a policy on that: Ownership of content. You wrote most of the Tommy Byars article, others contributed, but you don't have any sort of proprietary claim to any of the content. Some articles are written primarily by one person, some are started as stubs and later expanded significantly by others, some are collaborations between multiple editors from the start. In a few years, you might not recognize the Tommy Byars article if it gets improved significantly by others. ~Anachronist (talk) 21:23, 12 October 2022 (UTC)
 * I do hope it improves over the years and I will be watching it. I do realize that it is NOT my article. I read that somewhere in the policies; however, I am proud to have been the first to publish it. Thank you again for all that you have helped me with. I am sincerely appreciative and I think I have contributed all that I can for the article on Tommy Byars. I do think I am ready to advance, but still don't kwow how to get around in Wikipedia, nor have I learned how to add my signature.  That's next.  LOL Cjmodica (talk) 22:00, 12 October 2022 (UTC)
 * @Cjmodica, you can add your signature manually by typing four tildes. This squiggly thing is a tilde: ~
 * The reply tool adds a signature automatically. When editing a page in source editing mode, you can press the little button above the editing window that looks like a cursive lower case L, and that will insert the tildes wherever your cursor is. 199.208.172.35 (talk) 13:59, 13 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Like this? Cjmodica (talk) 15:39, 13 October 2022 (UTC)
 * @Cjmodica, there's certainly a signature attached to that message. Remember that you can make test edits in your sandbox if you want to figure out how things work (then just delete or revert them afterwards). 199.208.172.35 (talk) 16:17, 13 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Thank you. Cjmodica (talk) 16:22, 13 October 2022 (UTC)

Requesting an Article
Hi everyone,

I work for a film production company that's been involved in several films that have been released world wide. I've read about COI and getting listed as a Paid Contributor and such, but I'm struggling to understand the process and what to do to request the article be written about our film company. I'm not interested in the article being used as a marketing ploy or anything of that nature, we'd like it to be as neutral as possible actually. Our company has been mentioned in several industry newspapers as well as other Wikipedia articles of colleagues or other film companies that have contributed to producing films with us, not to mention the films that we have helped produce.

I greatly appreciate any advise or help anyone can provide me.

Thank you! Tanagra1701 (talk) 23:09, 12 October 2022 (UTC)


 * Merely being "mentioned" in news/industry outlets isn't justification for an article; we need in-depth coverage of the company. —<i style="color: #1E90FF;">Jéské Couriano</i>  v^&lowbar;^v  a little blue Bori 23:12, 12 October 2022 (UTC)


 * You can always list your requests at Requested articles/Arts and entertainment/Film, radio and television (under the section "Film companies") and someone may eventually write an article. Or you could disclose your paid editing status on your user page (see WP:PAID for instructions) and write an article yourself by following the instructions at Articles for creation, keep Golden rule uppermost in your mind. ~Anachronist (talk) 01:06, 13 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Thank you for your advice, do I have to disclose that I'm a paid editor to post in the Requested Articles section? I'm having trouble understanding where to disclose this or how to do it, the system isn't very intuitive. Also, if we submit our own page, wouldn't it get flagged for COI issues? Just trying to understand more about this process. I know there are pages and pages of information on this, but sometimes it helps to interact with another person who knows more about this topic. Tanagra1701 (talk) 16:07, 13 October 2022 (UTC)
 * @Tanagra1701, I will post a message on your talk page with instructions on how to disclose. You should probably do that before doing anything else. As long as you properly disclose your COI and go through the Articles for Creation process, there will not be COI issues with the article. 199.208.172.35 (talk) 16:23, 13 October 2022 (UTC)

userpage
how do you make a userpage like User:Xaosflux i want to ask here because why not Lolkikmoddi (talk) 16:07, 13 October 2022 (UTC)


 * Hi @Lolkikmoddi. You've already created a user page - what is it about Xaosflux's page that you want to copy? If you're just looking for ideas, the User page design center is a good place to check out, even though it's no longer active. 199.208.172.35 (talk) 16:32, 13 October 2022 (UTC)
 * My userpage is quite "old", as I've been around here a long time. There are a bunch of better supported designs out there that the page 199* linked above can help you with. If you want to copy the menu bar I have on the top, you can put  on the top of your page. —  xaosflux  Talk 16:56, 13 October 2022 (UTC)
 * oh ok thanks Lolkikmoddi (talk) 17:09, 13 October 2022 (UTC)

Two or More Pictures on an Article
How may I add a second picture to the article for Tommy Byars? Cjmodica (talk) 17:50, 13 October 2022 (UTC)


 * @Cjmodica visit Wikipedia:Picture tutorial for help on adding pictures! Td<sup style="color:DeepSkyBlue">she <sup style="color:Magenta">/her 17:53, 13 October 2022 (UTC)

How do I make userboxes?
I've always wanted one on my user page, but I just don't know how. ￼ How can I make one? Gavinvin13 (talk) 04:48, 13 October 2022 (UTC)


 * @Gavinvin13: find one at userbox gallery (there's a lot) or make one with userbox. lettherebedarklight, 晚安, おやすみ, ping me when replying 04:51, 13 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Hi Gavinvin13, userboxes can be placed on ones page by simply copying the userboxes code (everything between the 2 squiggly lines like ) and pasting onto your user page. Making userboxes yourself is a difficult process for a beginner but if you put in a request at Userbox Ideas you should hopefully get a response quickly. FishandChipper 🐟🍟 06:16, 13 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Making a userbox may be "a difficult process for a beginner", but when I wanted a custom one on my user page, I just copied someone else's, changing the text and image. Deor (talk) 15:38, 13 October 2022 (UTC)
 * I think you're forgetting the fact that most people aren't familiar with Wikitext and may not know how to do so. FishandChipper 🐟🍟 18:29, 13 October 2022 (UTC)

Sandbox content does not show all content when published
I am having an issue with being able to view all of the content in my sandbox article when it's published. Some sections are missing. I have tried copying and pasting the content into a new sandbox but the content is still hidden. Here is the sandbox that I am referring tohttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Pennyframstad/sandbox4 Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated! Thanks so much Pennyframstad (talk) 17:40, 13 October 2022 (UTC)pennyframstad


 * Clickable link: User:Pennyframstad/sandbox4 RPI2026F1 (talk) 17:41, 13 October 2022 (UTC)
 * @Pennyframstad what sections are missing? I see 8 sections and 1 reference section, how many expected sections are there? RPI2026F1 (talk) 17:43, 13 October 2022 (UTC)
 * If you go into edit mode you will see all of the content intended to be on the page. Section "Timex Social Club" is missing.  "Jay Records" content is missing and has unintended content from a previous edit.  Is there a formatting issue?
 * Thanks Pennyframstad (talk) 18:20, 13 October 2022 (UTC)pennyframstad
 * https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Pennyframstad/sandbox4 Pennyframstad (talk) 18:20, 13 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Yes. See my reply below. I may have fixed it before RPI2026F1 looked at the draft. 199.208.172.35 (talk) 18:24, 13 October 2022 (UTC)
 * @Pennyframstad, there was a missing bit of formatting - I fixed it here. 199.208.172.35 (talk) 17:47, 13 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Please help. Portions of my content in my sandbox are not visible when published.
 * Sections missing: "Timex Social Club", "Jay Records" content only shows a couple of lines (check in edit mode to see what is intended to be there) thank you so much Pennyframstad (talk)pennyframstad Pennyframstad (talk) 18:26, 13 October 2022 (UTC)
 * @Pennyframstad, did you look at my diff? It shows the problem. I've gone ahead and fixed it in your main sandbox as well. 199.208.172.35 (talk) 18:28, 13 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Thank you so much! Can you fix the section "Jay Records" as well? If you look in edit mode you will see the intended content.  Also what did you do to correct it?  Again thank you so much!!! Pennyframstad (talk) 18:31, 13 October 2022 (UTC)
 * @Pennyframstad, it was the same problem in that section. You used <ref name= "Urban Bridgez"> instead of . An unclosed ref makes content disappear. 199.208.172.35 (talk) 18:34, 13 October 2022 (UTC)

Cannot publish content added to a wiki page
Confirmed email address, trying to hit publish on an article I’ve added additional information to, then completed the captcha, hit publish but it just refreshes the captcha, and doesn’t do anything Fervent23 (talk) 18:28, 13 October 2022 (UTC)


 * @Fervent23, this may be a problem with the mobile editor. Have you tried switching to desktop mode instead? 199.208.172.35 (talk) 18:36, 13 October 2022 (UTC)

Unable to access desktop Source editor tells me the capture is incorrect each time too — Preceding unsigned comment added by Fervent23 (talk • contribs) 18:43, 13 October 2022 (UTC)
 * This sounds like Javascript is being interdicted somehow (the CAPTCHA relies on JS). —<i style="color: #1E90FF;">Jéské Couriano</i>  v^&lowbar;^v  a little blue Bori 19:02, 13 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Try a different browser, perhaps? ~Anachronist (talk) 19:05, 13 October 2022 (UTC)

Wikiproject:Samsung Galaxy?
Should there be a wikiproject for Samsung Galaxy? There is a ton of articles that needs to be improved so should it be a wikiproject or a task force of WikiProject:Google? SMBMovieFan (talk) 18:34, 13 October 2022 (UTC)


 * Hi @SMBMovieFan, welcome to the Teahouse. As far as I know, Samsung and Google aren't related. A WikiProject focused only on the Samsung Galaxy, or only on Samsung, probably wouldn't get much activity - even the Google one is only semi-active. WikiProject Electronics might be a better choice; you can try a post on the talk page to see if there's interest. 199.208.172.35 (talk) 18:40, 13 October 2022 (UTC)
 * You are correct that GOogle and Samsung aren't related. The only thing they have in common is the Android OS which is made by Google. The only phones google (currently) makes are the Google Pixel line. ― <b style="background:#0d1125;color:#51aeff;padding:1q;border-radius:5q;">Blaze Wolf</b>Talk<sub title="Discord Username" style="margin-left:-22q;">Blaze Wolf#6545 18:43, 13 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Having a wikiproject for just Android OS and phones will probably get activity. And then the samsung galaxy task force can exist then. SMBMovieFan (talk) 18:44, 13 October 2022 (UTC)
 * @SMBMovieFan, if you want to create a new WikiProject, the place to start is here. Read the links provided. 199.208.172.35 (talk) 19:12, 13 October 2022 (UTC)

Site Map
Is there a site map to help me get around in Wikipedia? I am trying to find Wikimedia. Cjmodica (talk) 17:01, 13 October 2022 (UTC)


 * Hi @Cjmodica - see here for a list of all the Wikimedia projects. 199.208.172.35 (talk) 17:24, 13 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Thank you, but where do I go to upload a picture to get it approved so that I can use it in an article? Cjmodica (talk) 17:26, 13 October 2022 (UTC)
 * @Cjmodica, that would be Wikimedia Commons - here. We normally just call it "Commons". 199.208.172.35 (talk) 17:28, 13 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Pictures needing attention Td<sup style="color:DeepSkyBlue">she <sup style="color:Magenta">/her 17:28, 13 October 2022 (UTC)
 * this also leads to the pictures that need to be approved o cleaned up Td<sup style="color:DeepSkyBlue">she <sup style="color:Magenta">/her 17:29, 13 October 2022 (UTC)
 * @Thedefender35, that is a place for dealing with uploaded images that need some technical work done. It's not a place to upload images or have them approved. 199.208.172.35 (talk) 17:31, 13 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Preparing images for upload is where you would find out how to upload Td<sup style="color:DeepSkyBlue">she <sup style="color:Magenta">/her 17:34, 13 October 2022 (UTC)
 * I have uploaded the image to Wikimedia, but is keeps telling me that it is a duplicate for Tommy Byars so I can't use it. Not sure what to do. Cjmodica (talk) 17:37, 13 October 2022 (UTC)
 * @Cjmodica, you successfully uploaded a new image earlier today - I'm not sure if that's the one you're talking about. It sounds like you may have two files with the same name. Commons has their own help desk here and the people there will be more familiar with such issues. 199.208.172.35 (talk) 17:41, 13 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Thank you; I will ask for their help. Cjmodica (talk) 17:45, 13 October 2022 (UTC)
 * So you managed to upload the file to Commons, but you're getting an error trying to add it to the Wikipedia article? <b style="color:#C64600">Madeline</b> (<small style="color:#613583">part of me ) 17:41, 13 October 2022 (UTC)
 * @Cjmodica There isn't, as far as I know, a full site map for all the projects and nooks and crannies of Wikipedia. However, the main page has many of the key links in its lower portion. Mike Turnbull (talk) 17:25, 13 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Thank you. Cjmodica (talk) 19:34, 13 October 2022 (UTC)

Sandbox title change
Hi, I made a fun sandbox page as a inside joke with my friends but i am not sure on how to change the title of the sandbox page. It says User:Miljan.srbia/sandbox but i'd like to change that too. Can anyone help me witha a way to change that? Link to my sandbox page https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Miljan.srbia/sandbox Miljan.srbia (talk) 20:03, 13 October 2022 (UTC)


 * Hello! from what i have seen on my time in Wikipedia it seems like there is no way to change your sandbox name. Are you trying to create an article? If so please look at Sandbox/About as this will help you figure out how to use the sandbox to do that. If you have anymore issues please reply to this section! Td<sup style="color:DeepSkyBlue">she <sup style="color:Magenta">/her 20:06, 13 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Hi @Miljan.srbia, welcome to the Teahouse. As much fun as your inside joke may be, a Wikipedia sandbox is not the place for it; sandboxes on Wikipedia need to be used for the benefit of Wikipedia (see WP:NOTWEBHOST). It's possible that your page will be soon deleted, so I would copy the content elsewhere, quickly, if I were you and I wanted to keep it. 199.208.172.35 (talk) 20:06, 13 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Hi, yeah i've got a big message that the article is gonna be deleted soon, was fun while it lasted for 10min right? Miljan.srbia (talk) 20:18, 13 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Yep. Sorry, @Miljan.srbia, that's one of the risks of posting in a high visibility area like the Teahouse. You'll probably get quick answers, but if it turns out you don't like 'em, there's no way to take your post back. 199.208.172.35 (talk) 20:27, 13 October 2022 (UTC)

How to easily tag other articles with Wikiprojects?
Is there a tool or gadget that allows me to specify a Wikiproject for an article? I know that the articles for creation form does it for me, but I can't use it on already existing articles. I can probably look up the syntax and do it manually but it seems cumbersome and I wish there was a version of the Wikiproject selector like the AFC one. RPI2026F1 (talk) 17:41, 13 October 2022 (UTC)


 * Hi, ! I'm not sure if this is exactly what you're looking for, but this script seems to work with assessments and parameters for WikiProject banners. Hope this helps! Perfect4th (talk) 21:05, 13 October 2022 (UTC)

Order of country sections
Should countries be ordered alphabetically or by importance, or does it not matter at all? I couldn't find the relevant info in WP:MOS. Asking from Lynching. Quirk4 (talk) 16:04, 13 October 2022 (UTC)


 * @Quirk4: that usually depends on the context. If you're listing, say, the top ten countries by GDP, you would probably rank them from 1 to 10.
 * If you're using a table, you may want to make it sortable, so the reader can sort the contents by whatever criterion makes most sense to them.
 * 'Importance' is quite a subjective concept, and as such probably best avoided. -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 17:05, 13 October 2022 (UTC)
 * PS: I just noticed that you said 'country sections'; would this be eg. in an article on secondary education, where you might first have some general information about the subject, and then a subsection 'Secondary education by country' (or something to that effect), with each country as a separate sub-subsection? In that case, I would probably order them alphabetically. -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 17:08, 13 October 2022 (UTC)
 * @DoubleGrazing This would be for the article on lynching. There is general information in the summary. Etymology and info by country are after that.
 * Country info seems to be inconsistently grouped by continent and region. I agree that importance is subjective; however, most of the information seems to be about the U.S.
 * I think I'll start a new topic on the article's talk page.
 * Thanks. Quirk4 (talk) 21:17, 13 October 2022 (UTC)

Help with removing issue tags (conflict of interest)
Hi--I have a conflict of interest on a page I'm editing and I want to know how to get the tags removed. Thanks for any help for the VisualEditor! Hayward Williams. I could also use help on uploading images. Moseswill (talk) 21:00, 13 October 2022 (UTC)


 * Hi @Moseswill, welcome to the Teahouse. Please review WP:COI - you should properly disclose this conflict of interest, which is typically done with a statement on the account's user page. I'll leave a notice with instructions on your talk page. It's probably best that the tags be reviewed by someone without a COI (and with a bit more experience on Wikipedia) to see if the issues have been addressed.
 * As far as uploading images, see Uploading images for a lot of instructions. The jist of it is: don't upload anything you don't have or can't obtain the rights to. A picture you took yourself? Fine and dandy (usually). A picture you found on the internet? No good (usually). It's all about copyright. What are the images you're thinking about uploading? 199.208.172.35 (talk) 21:24, 13 October 2022 (UTC)

Company Page
I am working on a page for a company, but the page keeps getting rejected. The rejection statement is that the article is "unambiguous advertising." We provided plenty of third party external links and tried to keep the article neutral. Any suggestions on how to edit further so it doesn't get rejected again? Aferralli (talk) 21:04, 13 October 2022 (UTC)


 * - 199.208.172.35 (talk) 21:18, 13 October 2022 (UTC)
 * It appears that the original draft, Draft:Douglas C. Lane and Associates, has already been deleted.
 * Draft:Sarat Sethi seems to lack secondary sources that show what someone independent of Sethi said about him. Note that this means being interviewed or featured in a news article does not count - something like "According to Sethi ..." Meanwhile, a good secondary source might say: "Sethi is an equity analyst, working for X, and has made great contributions to Y ..." Something independent. Sungodtemple (talk) 22:33, 13 October 2022 (UTC)


 * Aferralli, your user page says that you "have been paid by Gavin on behalf of DCLA, if different from your employer". Gavin who? Does he work for Sarat Sethi? Does Sethi work for DCLA, or vice versa? (My employer? They're all different from my employer.) But to your question. The draft hasn't been accused of being unambiguous advertising since 17 May 2022. Since then, it has twice been declined, for a different reason. And yes, paragraphs within it are unreferenced. Make sure that everything is properly referenced. -- Hoary (talk) 22:34, 13 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Hello, . I guess this is also about Draft:Douglas C. Lane and Associates, which has been deleted. You are a declared paid editor. Your drafts fail to make a convincing case that either the person or the company are notable. Read WP:NPERSON and WP:NCORP. Interviews do not add to notability. Being on a "Top 100" list does not add to notability. The only thing that shows notability is significant coverage of the topic in several independent  reliable sources. Without that, it is not possible to write acceptable Wikopedia articles. Cullen328 (talk) 22:41, 13 October 2022 (UTC)

How to find sources on a subject with thousands of articles of coverage
If the subject of an articles has hundreds of thousands of sources, how do you know which ones to use — V ORTEX  3427 (Talk!) 04:54, 14 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Hello, . When there are a plethora of sources, your task is to narrow them down to the highest quality reliable independent sources that provide significant coverage to the topic. So, books about the topic published by university presses or by established publishing houses written by respected notable authors would be the kind of sources that will be preferred. Blog posts about the topic by unknown people on the internet should be immediately excluded. The ability to rapidly sort probably reliable sources from probably unreliable sources is a skill that every long-term Wikipedia editor needs to cultivate. If you have a very large number of truly reliable sources to choose among, then you have the luxury of selecting among the very best of them. In discussions like this, I often put forward Abraham Lincoln as an example. Countless reliable sources discuss Lincoln in one way or another. That does not mean that all verifiable Lincoln trivia belongs in that article. And there are many spinoff Lincoln articles because there is so much to say about him in this encyclopedia that we have many valid Lincoln spinoff articles. But the main Lincoln Wikipedia biography should rely primarily on the very best academic quality books about Lincoln published in recent decades, and possibly older works widely recognized by modern scholars as still very influential. There is a Facebook post that I keep seeing that uses AI to create an animated video of Lincoln singing some modern pop song. That is not a reliable source. Cullen328 (talk) 05:28, 14 October 2022 (UTC)

Joe Diffie 1990's Singles Discography
Hi, I noticed an omission on the Joe Diffie 1990's Singles Discography, and can't figure out how to add it

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joe_Diffie_discography#1990s_2

Under the "Life's So Funny" LP singles, the fourth entry after "Whole Lotta Gone", and before "This Is Your Brain", should be a single called "Down In A Ditch" that didn't chart. The 45 was on Epic 34 78268. Can someone add it? I would like a reply if I could.

Thanks. City5705boy (talk) 03:02, 14 October 2022 (UTC)


 * City5705boy, please point this out at the foot of Talk:Joe Diffie discography, saying how you know this to be so. -- Hoary (talk) 06:12, 14 October 2022 (UTC)

New article
Is there a list of undocumented topics for new wiki articles?

Thanks Mogh Roith (talk) 01:28, 14 October 2022 (UTC)


 * Mogh Roith see WP:Most wanted articles. Sungodtemple (talk) 01:57, 14 October 2022 (UTC)
 * You could also check WP:RA for a list of an extreme backlog of requested articles. Iscargra (talk) 06:39, 14 October 2022 (UTC)


 * Thanks for that Iscarga and Sundogtemple

Mogh Roith (talk) 09:39, 14 October 2022 (UTC)

Lifelong Expression, by Roberta Flack
I have had a lifelong admiration for Roberta Flack, and think the length of her successful career should be celebrated.Bold 68.187.160.34 (talk) 10:02, 14 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. I'm assuming you are referring to Roberta Flack. Wikipedia is not a place to celebrate or honor someone; it is a place to summarize what independent reliable sources say about the topic. If you have information you wish to contribute to that article, please do so- you may wish to discuss it on the article talk page(Talk:Roberta Flack) first. 331dot (talk) 10:12, 14 October 2022 (UTC)

Write a new page
How can I publish new information ? Shayanne Aug (talk) 23:23, 13 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Please read and study Your first article. Cullen328 (talk) 23:32, 13 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Since you're a new editor, I recommend starting with Articles for creation first. RPI2026F1 (talk) 23:33, 13 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Consider gaining experience improving existing articles before attempting to create an article. David notMD (talk) 10:46, 14 October 2022 (UTC)

My article deleted
The editor saying its notability issue and Wikipedia saying it looks like advertising article. Raviwiki5 (talk) 04:34, 14 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Yes, Raviwiki5, Draft:StarAndDaisy was deleted twice. Do you have a question? -- Hoary (talk) 06:15, 14 October 2022 (UTC)

I write a new article can someone check is notability
Please check the notability and writing style, is it correct or not and please let me know here. This article is very important for me to be published.

Draft:StarAndDaisy - Wikipedia Raviwiki5 (talk) 04:54, 14 October 2022 (UTC)


 * Very little in this draft is referenced, Raviwiki5. I have trouble discerning notability. -- Hoary (talk) 06:20, 14 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Hello, Raviwiki5, and welcome to the Teahouse. My first advice to you is to put aside the extremely challenging task of creating a new article for a few months, as you learn more about how Wikipedia works by making small but substantive edits to existing articles. You have started by doing some copyediting, which is a good way to start (though only some of your edits were helpful - some were wrongly changing the variety of English in articles). But to leap straight from that to trying to create an article isa big step. It's like starting to learn the violin, playing a few exercises, and then suddenly trying to give a public recital.
 * The tricky thing for most people to learn to handle is sourcing. In order to establish that a subject is notable, you need to find several sources, each of which is all three of reliable, independent, and contining significant coverage of the subject. Neither of the two references in your draft contains significant coverage of the company - they are routine announcements - and nor are they independent (they both quote the company). I suspect they are both derived from a single press release.
 * Unless you can find some suitable sources, every single thing you do towards creating this draft will be wasted effort. ColinFine (talk) 10:27, 14 October 2022 (UTC)


 * You wrote "This article is very important for me to be published." That strongly suggests you have a personal and/or paid connection to the company. Per the comment left on your Talk page, it is essential that you declare your connection on your User page before doing any more work on the current draft of an article that was previously Speedy deleted. David notMD (talk) 10:54, 14 October 2022 (UTC)

Status of the exhibits
In the light of the recent re-opening of a portion of the main building, the description of the status of the exhibits needs updating. 67.84.216.123 (talk) 11:26, 14 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Why then, make this suggestion at the foot of the talk page that accompanies the article about this museum or whatever it is. -- Hoary (talk) 11:43, 14 October 2022 (UTC)

Userbox source code
If you see a userbox that someone is using which is almost the userbox you want but not quite, is there a way to see its source? סשס Grimmchild  10:28, 14 October 2022 (UTC)
 * @Grimmchild User boxes are implemented in the same way as other templates. To see the source code you need to navigate to the template page, for example User Chemist, and then use the edit tab on that page. You can search for templates in the Wikipedia search box by entering template:foo to find the template for foo. Mike Turnbull (talk) 11:24, 14 October 2022 (UTC)
 * And just as other templates often call templates, Grimmchild, userbox templates often call templates that themselves not infrequently call templates. Investigating this may bring on a certain kind of dizziness. -- Hoary (talk) 11:46, 14 October 2022 (UTC)

Need help understanding Notability and what is considered when notability is not recognised
We believe our business is ground breaking and we are building something that should be documented we have been featured in the news, conferences, niche blogs and television.

How can we get our article published? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Africarare MamboAfrica (talk) 07:05, 14 October 2022 (UTC)


 * The stated reason on the draft page for why your submission was declined was that the editor believed your topic did not have enough reliable, secondary coverage that is strictly independent of the subject to be notable enough for inclusion in Wikipedia. Review WP:NOTE and WP:RS for more information on notability and reliable sources. Iscargra (talk) 07:14, 14 October 2022 (UTC)
 * In my opinion they meet those criteria. MamboAfrica (talk) 07:22, 14 October 2022 (UTC)
 * It may be helpful for you to ask at the AfC Help Desk to see if a reviewer there can help you improve your draft. Iscargra (talk) 07:32, 14 October 2022 (UTC)


 * MamboAfrica, the most frequently cited website is bizcommunity.com. This website solicits PR stuff. And the only page from the website that I looked at among those which are referenced liberally quotes people who are not disinterested. I suspect that it's too soon for good sources and therefore too soon for an article. Why not wait a year? -- Hoary (talk) 08:15, 14 October 2022 (UTC)


 * Every business thinks that what they do is ground breaking. What matters is if others say what the business does is ground breaking. 331dot (talk) 09:12, 14 October 2022 (UTC)


 * OP blocked as a sockpuppet. 199.208.172.35 (talk) 13:44, 14 October 2022 (UTC)

Question
how to desysop an admin? 2401:4900:1C01:D701:C8D:B6D0:A14E:2EAD (talk) 14:32, 14 October 2022 (UTC)
 * First you get your block removed and stop evading it. 331dot (talk) 14:33, 14 October 2022 (UTC)

I'm not blocked, what the hell are you talking about? 2401:4900:1C01:D701:C8D:B6D0:A14E:2EAD (talk) 14:52, 14 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Let's keep things civil, please. There is a partial block on your IP range, see the block log. If you have nothing to do with editing those pages, I would suggest creating an account so you aren't confused with others. If you know nothing about the block, why do you want to desysop an admin? 331dot (talk) 14:54, 14 October 2022 (UTC)

, well that's not me. 2401:4900:1C01:D701:C8D:B6D0:A14E:2EAD (talk) 14:56, 14 October 2022 (UTC)

Do you know ? 2401:4900:1C01:D701:C8D:B6D0:A14E:2EAD (talk) 14:57, 14 October 2022 (UTC)
 * I don't know any more than what it says on their page. If you are saying that's not you, again, please create an account. 331dot (talk) 15:02, 14 October 2022 (UTC)

dont know anything
please help 99.45.217.53 (talk) 00:45, 14 October 2022 (UTC)
 * You know how to delete chunks of articles, and how to draw attention to it. So I've given you a break from editing. -- Hoary (talk) 01:12, 14 October 2022 (UTC)
 * (I have also sent this in your talk page)
 * Hello, and welcome to Wikipedia!
 * Someone using this IP address, 99.45.217.53, removed content without giving an explanation. Please always provide an informative edit summary when removing content from pages. If 99.45.217.53 is a shared IP address and you did not do this, you may wish to consider getting a username to avoid confusion with other editors and further irrelevant notices.
 * Here are a few good links for newcomers:
 * The five pillars of Wikipedia
 * How to edit a page
 * Tips on starting your first article
 * Help pages
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 * Here are some other hints and tips:
 * I recommend that you get a username. You don't have to log in to read or edit articles on Wikipedia, but creating an account is quick, free and non-intrusive, requires no personal information, and there are many benefits of having a username. (If you edit without a username, your IP address is used to identify you instead.)
 * When using talk pages, please sign your name at the end of your messages by typing four tildes (~). This will automatically produce your username (or IP address) and the date.
 * I hope you enjoy editing here and being a Wikipedian! If you need help, check out Questions, ask me on my talk page, or type  here on your talk page and someone will show up shortly to answer your questions. Again, welcome! Samnaderi (talk) 15:56, 14 October 2022 (UTC)

How to address {advert} warning
Our page has a warning label which indicates that it is written in promotional tone. I have a COI so can't touch the editing process, but wanted to request help in rewriting? Or at least pointing to the sections which have been deemed promotional? I don't see any glaring promotional or advertising language...

Link to page: Education Development Center

Can someone help? Commandpitch (talk) 14:28, 14 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. I would correct you in that it is not "your page", but a Wikipedia article about your organization.  This is a subtle but important distinction. You are welcome to propose changes to the article in the form of an edit request(click for instructions) on the article talk page, Talk:Education Development Center.  I suspect the article is marked as an advertisement because it merely documents the existence of the organization and tells what it does- which is not what Wikipedia is looking for.  The article should summarize what independent reliable sources with significant coverage have chosen on their own to say about the organization, showing how it meets the special Wikipedia definition of a notable organization.  "Significant coverage" goes beyond merely telling what the organization does, and goes into detail about what the source sees as influential or important about it. 331dot (talk) 14:59, 14 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Hi @Commandpitch, welcome back. I can see why the advert tag was added; the very first sentence sounds a bit promo-y, and it doesn't get any better as the article goes on. If I were to try a rewrite, I'd start by dialing way back on anything derived from primary, non-independent sources, and taking a good look at what any secondary, independent, reliable sources cited in the article say - the areas they focus on and the wording they use. Any laudatory language, if I felt it really should be included, would be quoted instead of stated in Wikipedia's voice. Obviously this would take quite a bit of time and effort, which is why you may not find many folks jumping up to volunteer. 199.208.172.35 (talk) 15:00, 14 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Commandpitch, remember that Wikipedia is not interested in what the subject of an article says or wants to say about themselves, or what their associates say about them. Wikipedia is only interested in what people who have no connection with the subject, and who have not been prompted or fed information on behalf of the subject, have chosen to publish about the subject in reliable sources. Text based on what the subject says (or what its associates say) is likely to read like an ad: this is not just a matter of language but also of content. The things that a company wants to tell the world about itself are often not what Wikipedia is interested in. ColinFine (talk) 16:07, 14 October 2022 (UTC)

Adding Photos
To add another photo to an article, does one have to submit it to Wikimedia before adding it to the relative article on Wikipedia? Cjmodica (talk) 22:25, 12 October 2022 (UTC)


 * @Cjmodica Short answer: yes! Most images used in Wikipedia are hosted on Wikimedia Commons, so they can be used on any of the language projects. There are a few images hosted on the English Wikipedia for use only here, as explained at WP:FAIRUSE Mike Turnbull (talk) 22:55, 12 October 2022 (UTC)


 * Right. An image in an article must be hosted by Wikipedia or Wikimedia Commons. We do not link to externally-hosted images. Wikimedia Commons can have only images that are in the public domain or have been released by the copyright holder (the photographer) under an acceptable free license (as described in WP:CONSENT). Wikipedia (not Commons) can have small, low-resolution/cropped "fair use" non-free images that are used in one place only for a specific purpose. ~Anachronist (talk) 01:09, 13 October 2022 (UTC)
 * I have submitted the permissions to Wikimedia to use the pictures and waiting for them to be published on Wikimedia, [Ticket#2022101410009039] and [Ticket#2022101410008923]. I will then resubmit them. Thank you.  Cjmodica (talk) 16:31, 14 October 2022 (UTC)

WP:SURNAME confusion
I'm a frequent contributor here, but now I have a question of my own.

I'm trying to figure out how WP:SURNAME should be applied consistently in articles about Pakistani officials.

For example, consider Ziauddin Butt. The subject is referred to as "Ziauddin" or "General Ziauddin" throughout the article. The very same article also refers to Nawaz Sharif in the lead as "Sharif" but in the article about him, he is referred to as "Nawaz". And yet the same lead paragraph also refers to General Pervez Musharraf as "Musharraf" and the article about him also refers to him as "Musharraf" not "Pervez".

If we were to be consistent with WP:SURNAME, how should those three articles refer to their subjects? There is no consistency between them now. ~Anachronist (talk) 20:48, 13 October 2022 (UTC)


 * Hmm. Manual of Style/Biography does mention South Asia, but I'm not sure if it applies in these cases. Maybe someone from WP:WikiProject Pakistan could clarify the situation? 199.208.172.35 (talk) 20:54, 13 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Thanks, it didn't occur to me to try the Wikiproject. ~Anachronist (talk) 16:34, 14 October 2022 (UTC)

hi,
I'm new here and I want to support the wikilove program but every time i try it does not work,

pls help

A1ex26 (talk) 15:55, 14 October 2022 (UTC)


 * Blocked as a sockpuppet. 199.208.172.35 (talk) 16:35, 14 October 2022 (UTC)

Topicon
Hello! I qualify for the Level 4 Journeyman Ribbon, but I don’t see a topicon for this, is there one and I’m just missing it? If not, is there a way to make one or request to have on made?  Orson12345 (Talk • Contribs) 17:58, 14 October 2022 (UTC)
 * It looks like you can use Journeyman_Editor_topicon with the parameter level=4 RudolfRed (talk) 18:10, 14 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Ha I completely missed that! Thank you so much!  Orson12345 (Talk • Contribs) 18:33, 14 October 2022 (UTC)

Need help in creating wikipedia page
Hi Everyone hope all are doing well. I have been trying to create a wikipedia page about one organization. After submitting the article, wikipedia decline my submission referring '"This submission's references do not show that the subject qualifies for a Wikipedia article—that is, they do not show significant coverage (not just passing mentions) about the subject in published, reliable, secondary sources that are independent'' of the subject (see the guidelines on the notability of organizations and companies). Before any resubmission, additional references meeting these criteria should be added (see technical help and learn about mistakes to avoid when addressing this issue). If no additional references exist, the subject is not suitable for Wikipedia."''' I have added 2 reference one of the website and other is from a news website. Can someone guide me?  Vikram12kr (talk) 08:22, 13 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. I left you an explanation at the top of your draft, it's right under the decline message. Do you have a question about it? I would also ask you if you are associated with this organization. 08:30, 13 October 2022 (UTC)
 * , I assume that this is about Draft:Statecraft Global Affairs Daily. It provides no evidence that its subject is notable enough to warrant a Wikipedia article. The first source it cites is not independent of the subject, the second does not even mention the subject. Maproom (talk) 08:37, 13 October 2022 (UTC)
 * OP has been blocked for undisclosed paid editing. — Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 19:16, 14 October 2022 (UTC)

returning a page to draft
I was working on a page "Sfold" a new page. I discovered that the spellchecker had created Draft Sold instead. I opened Sfold, which was a red link and copied the Sold page into the new page, which was initially blank.

Now the page is somehow in mainspace, rather than in draft space. How do I move it back into draft space?

Is there actually documentation for this process somewhere.

William Rennie DOHrennie (talk) 18:01, 14 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Hi DOHrennie, welcome to the Teahouse. You should have moved the page from Draft:Sold to Draft:Sfold and not copy-pasted the content. Once it was accidentally in mainspace, an administrator or page mover was required because normal users cannot move a page without leaving behind a redirect. Asking here is fine. Sfold has been moved to Draft:Sfold. I have made a history merge of Draft:Sold and Draft:Sfold. That also requires an administrator. PrimeHunter (talk) 19:20, 14 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Many thanks. Still new here. DOHrennie (talk) 19:44, 14 October 2022 (UTC)


 * ✅ by .  Maproom (talk) 19:12, 14 October 2022 (UTC)

Speedy deletion challenge
I've had my first experience with Speedy deletions today, but I couldn't find a concrete reason for why a subject page I was working on was suddenly deleted! Could someone run me through whether it's the use of incorrect/insufficient references, or something else, please?

Regarding - Alexander Valerievich Yakovlev Plantlover3000 (talk) 15:17, 14 October 2022 (UTC)


 * Your references are not notable enough. Half of them don't even mention the person the article is about. RPI2026F1 (talk) 15:23, 14 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. It seems that you are attempting to write about yourself, while this is not absolutely forbidden, it is highly discouraged, please read the autobiography policy.  You should have left the draft as a Draft and submitted it for a review via Articles for Creation. As noted, your references are not sufficient. 331dot (talk) 15:24, 14 October 2022 (UTC)
 * You have contested the SD nomination of Alexander Valerievich Yakovlev on the article's talk page, but it may go forward anyway. I concur that the refs never mention Yakovlev. I recommend you copy all of the content to your computer before it vanishes, as SD'd content also vanishes from your editing history. David notMD (talk) 15:45, 14 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Too late. David notMD (talk) 15:50, 14 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Not too late, it's still at Draft:Alexander Valerievich Yakovlev. ~Anachronist (talk) 16:28, 14 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Hi Plantlover3000.
 * As others have already said, many of the references provided in the article Draft:Alexander Valerievich Yakovlev are not directly relevant to the article's subject as they do not specifically mention the person in question. Also, the references provided do not meet Wikipedia's requirements for reliable sources: sources must be independent, ie. not affiliated with the subject of the article, and verifiable, ie. not original research. Perhaps check out Help:Find sources for more guidance on what can be accepted as a source.
 * In order to merit a Wikipedia article, a subject should be notable enough to have received coverage from a variety of reputable, reliable sources; I would recommend you take a look at Notability for more details on what is required for a subject to merit a new article.
 * Again, this has already been mentioned, but Draft:Alexander Valerievich Yakovlev does read like self-promotion/advertising... Maybe have a look at What Wikipedia is not (specifically WP:SOAP) and Conflict of interest (and/or Autobiography) to see if Advertising or Conflict of Interest guidelines are relevant to your situation.
 * I hope this helps! Pineapple Storage (talk) 20:09, 14 October 2022 (UTC)

Website taking too long to respond?
It's probably just me, but is anyone else getting the "Wikipedia.org is taking too long to respond" error while trying to load pages? Realtent (talk) 19:48, 14 October 2022 (UTC)
 * I get that occasionally but find it to be temporary. ~Anachronist (talk) 19:55, 14 October 2022 (UTC)
 * I got several similar errors around when you posted. It works better now. PrimeHunter (talk) 20:14, 14 October 2022 (UTC)
 * @Realtent Might just be Russian bots objecting to the "On this day" on the main page currently! Mike Turnbull (talk) 20:53, 14 October 2022 (UTC)

Unsourced
I found some unsourced information in an article, for which I finally found only one source online. It was the page of a person (he reveals his name at the beginning of this net site) who had written a lot of texts without a source. Now I would like to remove these texts cited by Wiki. Can I take 3-4 clearly false statements close to the original quoted passage of the source or how should I justify the deletion? I would like to make it subtly. 2001:2003:F642:2200:E004:A19D:5609:9B01 (talk) 13:27, 14 October 2022 (UTC)


 * Per WP:UNSOURCED: Any material lacking an inline citation to a reliable source that directly supports the material may be removed, but you might like to consider other alternatives, such as tagging the text with . Shantavira|feed me 13:44, 14 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Thank you. This unique and large information is very hard to be verified, and it has been in Wiki for over 10 years. So I think it's no use to tag it (and to put others to hard work) because I have searched for verification many days for it. I delete it right away and put a text in talk page and summary: "Unverified information from a source that contains fact and fiction. If you disagree I can show the address of this net site and some of its false statements." 2001:2003:F642:2200:E004:A19D:5609:9B01 (talk) 13:56, 14 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Hello, and welcome to the Teahouse. I suggest you remove it. If anybody objects, they can revert or discuss. See WP:BOLD. ColinFine (talk) 14:24, 14 October 2022 (UTC)
 * @ColinFine always learning from your answers on teahouse. In this context I have one question. What should be done if the supporting citation is not available because that event took place 50 years ago and it was only available in print newspapers? Thank you. ANLgrad (talk) 15:04, 14 October 2022 (UTC)
 * @ANLgrad, being published in 50 year old print newspapers does not make a source unavailable. Records survive from publications much older than that. If someone knows that there were articles published and can cite them, it's possible for someone else to find them. (50 years ago is only... what... 1972?) 199.208.172.35 (talk) 15:08, 14 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Hello, yes I actually meant something which is much older, may be in early 1900s. If we can't get any citation, what is the best approach? Thank you. ANLgrad (talk) 15:25, 14 October 2022 (UTC)
 * @ANLgrad, if you have genuinely tried to find a source and have come to the conclusion that it's impossible, the information should be removed. Verifiability is one of our policies. But being difficult to find is not the same as impossible, and there may be resources you are unaware of unless you ask around. The early 1900s isn't out of reach for archives in many countries. 199.208.172.35 (talk) 15:29, 14 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Yes, that does make sense to me. Thank you for confirming. I was under the same impression that just because one could not find a source, that doesn't mean it is not available at all. ANLgrad (talk) 15:31, 14 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Also, is there a place where old archived news papers could be found for research and providing citations? Thank you for your help. ANLgrad (talk) 15:32, 14 October 2022 (UTC)
 * See WP:LOONA Samnaderi (talk) 16:02, 14 October 2022 (UTC)
 * There are many such archives, ANLgrad, such as Newspapers.com. Often they are subscription services, but that does not preclude using them. The WP:Resource exchange can often be of help in accessing sources. ColinFine (talk) 16:03, 14 October 2022 (UTC)
 * And if physically visiting a repository of old journals is necessary, that still counts as 'available'. Some years ago, when editor of another encyclopaedia (of sorts) on railway-related matters, I travelled to London on several occasions to search for information in 19th-century railway journals stored in the basement stacks of the Institution of Mechanical Engineers. Sometimes effort on this scale might be necessary. (To be fair, I was actually being paid for that research.) {The poster formerly known as 87.81.230.195} 90.195.172.49 (talk) 21:08, 14 October 2022 (UTC)

Enhanced Fujita Color change
I just noticed the color for the EF scale get changed.

Any reason for the change? thanks. Lolkikmoddi (talk) 14:13, 12 October 2022 (UTC)


 * - 199.208.172.35 (talk) 14:16, 12 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Lolkikmoddi, it was changed because someone made a bold edit. I would recommend pinging the editor that changed the colors, although I can't find who changed it. 104.37.211.87 (talk) 18:23, 12 October 2022 (UTC)
 * oh thanks, also the ip you should make a account, not saying you need to but anyway thanks Lolkikmoddi (talk) 18:31, 12 October 2022 (UTC)
 * @Lolkikmoddi The original version of the article in 2007] seems to use the same color scheme as I see today, so can you clarify what differences you mean? Mike Turnbull (talk) 22:51, 12 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Enhanced fujita scale with old color.png
 * this was the colors before it changed i guess few days ago Lolkikmoddi (talk) 23:32, 12 October 2022 (UTC)
 * @Lolkikmoddi There seems to have been a discussion about this at Talk:Enhanced_Fujita_scale back in 2018. The current US govt. weather.com page ought to be the correct source for the colors but on that webpage they look a lot more washed-out. Maybe you need to take the discussion back to the Talk Page. Mike Turnbull (talk) 10:10, 13 October 2022 (UTC)
 * I replied at that article's talk page as well, but the colors were changed per the discussion at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Weather. The change was not just to that page, but to a color template that is directly or indirectly transcluded to virtually all pages about tornadoes and cyclones. TornadoLGS (talk) 21:04, 14 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Also, the NWS color scheme is not used here because it would not meet WP:ACCESS for colorblind users. TornadoLGS (talk) 21:26, 14 October 2022 (UTC)

My article sounds like an advertisement but isn't- help!
Hello teahouse. My article on HomeCo Daily Needs REIT has recently received feedback. I have established notability, however they've said it sounds like an advertisement. Could someone please give me pointers on where the advertising manor is and how to fix that section. Thank you! HoHo3143 (talk) 05:48, 12 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Hello, . You wrote in your draft, . If you are not capable of seeing that this is overtly promotional language utterly unacceptable for inclusion in a neutral encyclopedia article, then perhaps you should ask your employer to reassign you to a less demanding assignment. Cullen328 (talk) 06:06, 12 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Thank you for your very friendly and polite feedback Cullen328! To correct you, I am not employed by anyone, and have stated this previously. I simply came onto the teahouse to ask how I can improve my article, so thanks for the feedback! HoHo3143 (talk) 06:29, 12 October 2022 (UTC)
 * This probably cannot be fixed. You removed the content that rested on the Shopping Centre News ref because Cullen328 criticized it as promotional. Everything that remains is descriptions of financial transactions. This can be informative as history, but none of it establishes notability. David notMD (talk) 09:00, 12 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Should I add that back in but restructure it and provide more details and information. I'll also try and make it more neutral. HoHo3143 (talk) 09:35, 12 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Hi, there. I can point you to this: What_Wikipedia is not. It can give you an idea on how to make the sound like it is not promoting something.Cwater1 (talk) 23:39, 12 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Thank you Cwater1- if you have a look at my draft, do you think there is anything that would get the draft rejected if I resubmit it and how would I fix it. HoHo3143 (talk) 07:56, 14 October 2022 (UTC)
 * I want to say the section about Structures of centres is sounding like an advertisement. They box has that advertisements feel. The finial performance has that advisement feel. If you want, I could try to contribute to the article.Cwater1 (talk) 17:58, 14 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Yes please could you contribute to the article- it would be highly appreciated! HoHo3143 (talk) 00:21, 15 October 2022 (UTC)

John P. Noonan
I need help editing my article about John P. Noonan. Specifically, there is some text missing that appears clearly in the sandbox but missing after I click on "publish". Also, John was my teacher and mentor; how to make that clear before submitting? Jeff Neuhauser (talk) 18:31, 14 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Hi Jeff Neuhauser, welcome to the Teahouse. Please always be specific when you report a problem, e.g. quoting missing text so we don't have to compare source and rendered page to find what is missing in a whole article. I have changed an ending  to  . This revealed two lines. If anything else is missing, say what it is. PrimeHunter (talk) 18:47, 14 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Hello, PrimeHunter! Thank you for your prompt reply and thanks for your patience with me. Another question, if you don't mind: I have a photograph of John Noonan to include with my submission (dating back to c. 1930); it's probably not copyrighted. Can I still use it? Jeff Neuhauser (talk) 19:40, 14 October 2022 (UTC)
 * @Jeff Neuhauser, it very well may be copyrighted. There's a table at top right here which lays out the rather complicated rules. Do you know who took the photograph? Was it ever published? 199.208.172.35 (talk) 19:49, 14 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Thanks, again, for replying so promptly. I'm "this close" to submission thanks to your help today. Cheers! /s/ Jeff Neuhauser Jeff Neuhauser (talk) 20:35, 14 October 2022 (UTC)
 * To disclose a WP:COI place on your user page. Sungodtemple (talk) 18:48, 14 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Hi Jeff if you are create an article of someone who is closely related to you or that you have personal ties with Neutral point of view will be a great place to look at so you can make sure that your amazing article doesn't get deleted. Best of luck and welcome to Wikipedia! Td<sup style="color:DeepSkyBlue">she <sup style="color:Magenta">/her 19:30, 14 October 2022 (UTC)

Draft at User:Jeff Neuhauser/sandbox David notMD (talk) 00:32, 15 October 2022 (UTC)

Looking for sections to expand on
Hi, I just submitted an article for review Draft:Organic Sunscreen. Would anybody be keen on providing feedback, please? Also, now that is almost complete I am wondering if there are any points made in there that would be helpful to expand on? The overall category I want to work on is sunscreen, the organic community and veganism. DemocratGreen (talk) 01:48, 13 October 2022 (UTC)
 * , I've read the lead of your draft, and I'm left wondering whether it's about a particular branded product "Organic Sunscreen", or a category of sunscreens "organic sunscreen". I see now that my confusion was caused by your excessive use of capital letters, which continues throughout the draft. The name is also puzzling, and may need explanation: it seems that an "organic sunscreen" is one which does not contain organic active ingredients (such as avobenzone). Maproom (talk) 08:14, 13 October 2022 (UTC)
 * @DemocratGreen As an (ex) professional chemist, I'm concerned that your wording is very confusing. The sunscreen you are describing is entirely made of chemicals: the subset used including zinc oxide are classified by the chemical community as inorganic chemicals. It is not you personally who has hijacked the word "organic" in the sense that the organic movement uses it but I think you need to link to that article and somehow ensure you are not suggesting this sunscreen contains organic chemicals. The suggestion in the first sentence of the lead that the sunscreen is "chemical-free" is, frankly, preposterous. Mike Turnbull (talk) 09:52, 13 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Indeed. It seems that most of the standards organisations listed in the draft share the view that zinc oxide is organic and avobenzone is not. This makes me question the credibility of those organisations. And I wonder how many customers will think "organic suncream? I'm not buying that. I want good old tried-and-tested ZnO and TiO2. I'm not spreading dodgy organic chemicals on my skin." Maproom (talk) 18:56, 13 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Firstly, thanks for the help@Michael D. Turnbull@Maproom! That is a really good point you made with the organic part being confusing. The reason they use an organic standard is because originally standards such as the USDA and EcoCert were for agricultural goods, in which the organic process is beneficial as you are avoiding chemical pesticides. The same applied to cosmetics as consumers wanted organic ingredients and extracts which is why there are brands like Dr. Organic. With sunscreen the inactives would be same as an organic cosmetic, but the active would be mineral. At which point I think certifying bodies classify / frame avobenzone as a petrochemical, considering the processing that goes into making it, despite it technically being an organic compound. Organic is therefore related to the terms of the process and not related to the compound. Chemical-free is not accurate rather petrochemical-free sunscreen would be a better fit, unless you have a better suggestion, thank you. It is important to ensure the article does not suggest that certified organic sunscreen contains organic chemicals, as suggested, thank you. Avobenzone and Octycrylene are the dodgiest. But most of the petrochemical ones are made of benzoic acid anyways which easily breaks down into benzene . DemocratGreen (talk) 23:59, 13 October 2022 (UTC)
 * @DemocratGreen, @Michael D. Turnbull: Michael, you said "the suggestion in the first sentence of the lead that the sunscreen is "chemical-free" is, frankly, preposterous." and DemocratGreen echoes this.
 * As a friend of mine used to say, nothing is free of chemicals; alternatively, every substance on Earth contains chemicals. And molecules, and atoms, and quarks, and leptons.
 * And yes, that "organic" working wording is extremely confusing. David10244 (talk) 01:47, 15 October 2022 (UTC)

(once again) userboxes
How do you make a list of all the userboxes? im trying to make a good user page that is readable Lolkikmoddi (talk) 21:21, 13 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Lolkikmoddi, your user page is already readable. You already have userboxes. Please expend your energy on improving articles rather than merely prettifying. -- Hoary (talk) 22:36, 13 October 2022 (UTC)
 * , with respect, if you can't be helpful, why say anything at all? — Jumbo T (talk) 08:16, 14 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Jumbo T, I think that if half the energy that went into the selection, positioning, etc of userboxes were instead expended on improving articles, Wikipedia as a whole would be non-trivially improved. I could of course be wrong. What's your guess? -- Hoary (talk) 08:34, 14 October 2022 (UTC)
 * No no, I agree with you. It's just that the Teahouse is a place where editors come to get help. You are under no obligation to reply to anything posted here. So if you can't help someone, why say anything at all? — Jumbo T (talk) 08:46, 14 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Let's not do this to death, Jumbo T, but: In order to nudge them away from "trivial pursuit" and towards the grand goal of creating The Greatest Repository Of Human Knowledge The Universe Will Ever See (or something like that), to which epochal creation their contribution may well lead to curiosity about whatever userboxes or other fripperies (bouncing Wikipedia globes, puppy photos, stress-level quasi-thermometers...) they've cared to place on their user pages. But perhaps my phrasing needs improvement. (Lolkikmoddi, happy editing! Seriously.) -- Hoary (talk) 09:09, 14 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Do you want a list of all the possible choices or to take a few userboxes you already have and make them into a list? RPI2026F1 (talk) 23:35, 13 October 2022 (UTC)
 * While Hoary is not hindered by an excess of tact, there have been past incidences of editors who put far more effort into their User page appearance than in helping improve the encyclopedia, to the point that they were blocked (see WP:NOTHERE). David notMD (talk) 10:40, 14 October 2022 (UTC)
 * i just wanted my user profile to looks good and readable ;-; Lolkikmoddi (talk) 12:13, 14 October 2022 (UTC)
 * As Hoary said, your user page looks good, and it's readable. Cheers. David10244 (talk) 02:02, 15 October 2022 (UTC)

Contact the page creator in order provide updated information
Kate McDonald gymnastics Epod1396 (talk) 01:51, 15 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Hello, . The primary author of that article is . However, the best place to discuss improvements to that article is at Talk:Kate McDonald (gymnast). Any information that you want to add should be supported by a reliable, published source. Cullen328 (talk) 02:18, 15 October 2022 (UTC)

Easy way to add stub templates?
I had a similar question about WikProjects but found Rater. I am wondering if there is an equivalent for stubs. RPI2026F1 (talk) 15:16, 14 October 2022 (UTC)


 * For clarification, I want to be able to easily add one or more stub templates to the bottom of a page and I don't want to have to go into VisualEditor and search a list of all stub templates. Ideally it would be a list where I can start typing in names, for example like Bangla... and a list would pop up including Bangladesh school and any other stub templates with a prefix of Bangla. RPI2026F1 (talk) 15:20, 14 October 2022 (UTC)
 * @RPI2026F1 I'm not sure I fully understand what you want but I think you just need to use the standard Wikipedia search box and type template: followed by the name you want to see. So typing "template:bangla.... " will start to offer suggestions, just like any search does. Once you find the template Bangladesh-school-stub, I'm sure you know you can use the "What links here" Tool option to find the pages that have the tag. Mike Turnbull (talk) 15:41, 14 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Well yes I can do that but it's time consuming. I would much rather like a box where I can just put into it "Bangladesh school" and it'll put the bangladesh school stub template into the right place. RPI2026F1 (talk) 17:03, 14 October 2022 (UTC)
 * , the user scripts User:Danski454/stubsearch and User:SD0001/StubSorter look similar to what you're trying to do. Happy editing, Perfect4th (talk) 02:30, 15 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Thank you, this is exactly what I was looking for! RPI2026F1 (talk) 03:10, 15 October 2022 (UTC)

Can you follow/watch user contributions?
Hi, I'm wondering if it's possible to watch users' contributions in a similar way to watching pages on a watchlist. Like, I want to be able to follow a number of users and see a feed of their new edits in one place. Like a special:contributions page but with multiple users. It seems like a feature that should exist and I don't know if I'm just too unobservant to figure out where it is. Alecnotalex (talk) 01:23, 15 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Hello, . Just as you can click on your watchlist at any time, you can go to a user page or user talk page and click on "User contributions" to see what that user has been working on. For example, I just noticed that you made an edit to Columbian exchange, an article that is on my watchlist about a topic I find to be fascinating. However, there is no feed function as you describe. Cullen328 (talk) 01:33, 15 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Yes, but I would like to see the contributions of multiple "watched" users all in one place, rather than having to look at each user's individual contributions page separately. Is that a feature that exists? Thanks for the response. Alecnotalex (talk) 01:43, 15 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Oh, I just read that you said the feature I'm looking for doesn't exist. I guess there's probably not a demand for it. Thank you! Alecnotalex (talk) 01:44, 15 October 2022 (UTC)
 * No, you shouldn't be monitoring the edits of a specific user. See WP:HOUNDING for how that is a path that can get you in trouble. There are legitimate reasons to go through someone's edit history when a problem is found, but no one should be actively monitoring another editor indefinitely. Slywriter (talk) 02:04, 15 October 2022 (UTC)
 * This feature has been in great demand, but was never built, indeed due to wiki-hounding concerns (as described at that link). Graham 87 06:32, 15 October 2022 (UTC)

Uploading an approved picture on Wikimedia to Wikipedia
How do I put an approved picture in Wikimedia on Wikipedia? Cjmodica (talk) 22:27, 14 October 2022 (UTC)


 * You'll find the answer at Help:Pictures - David Biddulph (talk) 23:03, 14 October 2022 (UTC)


 * Images you have uploaded have not been "approved". You cannot release it to the Wikimedia Foundation unless you are the copyright holder (the photographer, not the "owner" of the picture or the subject of the picture). See WP:CONSENT and have the copyright holder provide the proper affidavit to the Virtual Response Team. ~Anachronist (talk) 07:20, 15 October 2022 (UTC)

Could a newspaper article be considered as reference?
Hi, I have to reference events in 1980s and I am wondering if I could use newspaper articles as a reference for the events, although they don't have the article online? Thank you Nyusicacica (talk) 11:58, 15 October 2022 (UTC)


 * Yes you could. Sources don't need to be online.  See Citing sources, and provide relevant parameters in cite news. - David Biddulph (talk) 12:07, 15 October 2022 (UTC)

Just a thank you
I took a few days off from hobbies and my thread was archived. Long story short, thank you @David notMD and @The Night Watch and @Maproom for the advice for @Piratecakes and me. I did some more scanning and I see your points on the "endorsements"--plus, nobody else had them, and I see it's on the main election page anyway (where I added some edits). With this local election now 10 days away, we can wait for the outcome to advance since the candidate would be notable by then. Barrieskyline1 (talk) 15:48, 15 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Or not, if Keanin Loomis does not win the election. David notMD (talk) 16:53, 15 October 2022 (UTC)

how do i add archive box on my talk page
my talk page does not contain archive box. i am using Lowercase sigmabot III for archiving. how do i create archive box & also add my pre-existing archive pages to it? Jindam vani (talk) 16:50, 15 October 2022 (UTC)
 * You can use the Archives template at the top of your talk page. Talk header also includes a list of archives. <b style="color:#C64600">Madeline</b> (<small style="color:#613583">part of me ) 16:52, 15 October 2022 (UTC)
 * @Madeline i am going ahead with Talk header Jindam vani (talk) 17:47, 15 October 2022 (UTC)

Searching for a specific phrase or source in Wikipedia
Hi, I was just wondering if there is a way to use the search function on Wikipedia to search for specific phrases used throughout Wikipedia. For example, is it possible for me to look up to see where a specific source is used throughout Wikipedia by somehow entering the URL, which would be reflected in the code for citations? Does that make sense? Thanks in advance, and I am happy to clarify if needed. TNstingray (talk) 15:28, 15 October 2022 (UTC)


 * Hello, TNstingray, and welcome to the Teahouse! If you search en.wikipedia.org (or any website URL, for this matter) and then a phrase in quotes, you can find instances where that phrase has been used. However, I don't know if that works for citations.
 * Asparagusus  (interaction)  16:31, 15 October 2022 (UTC)


 * TNstingray: In Google (and probably other search engines), you use the site: operator to search a specific site, including English Wikipedia. As Asparagusus  points out, you can use this to search for a phrase in quotes. And, yes, it does work for citations. To demonstrate, try plugging this search term into Google: site:en.wikipedia.org "a future for the past" (including the quotes). One of the first pages that it returns is the Wikipedia article World Heritage Site, which includes a reference to a journal article with that name. Mike Marchmont (talk) 16:55, 15 October 2022 (UTC)
 * If you're just interested in where a specific URL is used, you can use Special:LinkSearch. Victor Schmidt (talk) 17:50, 15 October 2022 (UTC)

i cant write and not approve the post
please help me

Jbqueeninternational (talk) 18:16, 15 October 2022 (UTC)


 * is currently blocked. Maproom (talk) 19:33, 15 October 2022 (UTC)

please help me
Draft:JB Queen International

Jbqueeninternational (talk) 18:18, 15 October 2022 (UTC)
 * We don't accept advertizing, and you have a blatant conflict of interest. —<i style="color: #1E90FF;">Jéské Couriano</i>  v^&lowbar;^v  a little blue Bori 18:27, 15 October 2022 (UTC)


 * is currently blocked. Maproom (talk) 19:35, 15 October 2022 (UTC)

How to resize images in boxes like the one at Chilean water crisis?
The infobox at the article for Chilean water crisis is very big, and I think it would be better to downsize it. However, it seems to be using some template magic with unintuitive parameter names, and I'm confused what to modify to scale the image down to something like 50% of it's original size. RPI2026F1 (talk) 21:43, 15 October 2022 (UTC)


 * Hello, RPI2026F1. The parameters are documented at Template:CSS image crop. ColinFine (talk) 21:57, 15 October 2022 (UTC)
 * But having looked further, that template only crops the image, it won't scale it. According to infobox event, the parameter  should set the scaling, but when I change it, it doesn't seem to affect the images, so I'm afraid I can't help. --ColinFine (talk) 22:03, 15 October 2022 (UTC)

Article rejected although I used almost same wording as another that is accepted
I have written an entry "Elevenish" which was rejected although I used almost the same wording as Matches Fashion as it was deemed by the reviewer as not "neutral". How come the other page is public?

This is the text on Elevenish page: ELEVENiSH.com is a digital-first community and e-commerce platform for designers and artists to tell their stories and share their creations through a seamless experience. Founded in May 2021, The platform offers premium quality products within various categories: Women, men, and kids' fashion wear and accessories, Perfumeries, Home Décor & Art. ELEVENiSH.com is a product by TeaBeforeNoon, the GCC's luxury consultancy founded by Ms. Hala Al Gergawi, a UAE National entrepreneur. Twotogo (talk) 18:15, 15 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. Please read other stuff exists. The existence of another article has no bearing on the existence of others. It could be that this other articles is inappropriate and simply not addressed yet. As this is a volunteer project where people do what they can when they can, it is possible for inappropriate articles to get by us. In this case, the article you speak of has been marked as problematic for years. If you want to use other articles as a model, use those classified as good articles. 331dot (talk) 19:11, 15 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Hello, . Your draft contains language like That is overtly promotional language that may belong on a company website or social media post, but has no place whatsoever in a neutral encyclopedia article. Wikipedia is not a platform for advertising and promotion. Cullen328 (talk) 21:36, 15 October 2022 (UTC)
 * It also sounds like buzzwords that carry little meaning. RPI2026F1 (talk) 22:36, 15 October 2022 (UTC)

What to do if almost all sources cite an unreferenced wiki article?
I stumbled across Exocentric environment, which had no references. But upon Googling, it seemed almost every result used the definition copied from the wikipedia page or about another term with "exocentric" in the term's name. What do I do here? I don't think it can be deleted easily since it's now depended upon by a lot of outside sources. RPI2026F1 (talk) 22:19, 15 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Hello, . The reliance of other websites on a completely unreferenced Wikipedia article should have no bearing on whether the article should be deleted. Unless reliable published sources that do not copy from Wikipedia devote significant coverage to the topic, the article should be deleted. Cullen328 (talk) 22:28, 15 October 2022 (UTC)
 * I do think on the merit of having no references the article should be deleted, but I do not want to personally make the AfD because I have filed way too many AfDs in recent days and I am worried that I overlooked something. RPI2026F1 (talk) 22:32, 15 October 2022 (UTC)
 * , I found some possibly useful sources on Google Scholar. Have you searched there? Cullen328 (talk) 23:20, 15 October 2022 (UTC)
 * I'm not a researcher, so I can't easily decipher what some of the articles are talking about. I have tried looking for a journal article in normal Google but I haven't considered Scholar. I'll look there next time. RPI2026F1 (talk) 23:28, 15 October 2022 (UTC)

1933 MacDonald Brier
My grandfather was the skip of the Manitoba curling team in the 1933 MacDonald Brier and his name features in the article. His teammates have personal information but he does not. I am a newbie and to be honest not likely to become a regular author.

I have written the article in my sandbox at User:Lorne D1947/sandbox and would appreciate input so as to not have it rejected too many times.

The 1933 MacDonald Brier link is 1933 Macdonald Brier

Thanks Lorne D1947 (talk) 03:55, 15 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Hello, . Two of your three references are to other Wikipedia articles. This is not permitted, per WP:CIRCULAR. One Wikipedia article can never be used as a reference in another Wikipedia article. Cullen328 (talk) 04:39, 15 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Hi @Cullen328
 * I have removed the references but replaced the names of 2 individuals with links so the name is in blue and the reference to them can be read by mousing over. Is this acceptable? I have seen this used before. Lorne D1947 (talk) 21:05, 15 October 2022 (UTC)


 * @Lorne D1947: for a person to have an article, they must be notable by wikipedia standards, and must be backed up by at least 2 or 3 reliable sources. currently, your article is sourced to the curling canada hall of fame, and two wikipedia articles. the first source can be used, but you cannot cite wikipedia articles.
 * your article would be rejected as it does not have adequate sourcing. lettherebedarklight, 晚安, おやすみ, ping me when replying 04:37, 15 October 2022 (UTC)
 * @Lorne D1947 I left a message for you on your Talk page regarding an additional reference I found. Karenthewriter (talk) 06:06, 15 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Hi @Karenthewriter
 * Thanks for the Owen Sound newspaper article. I am not a member of the newspaper archive but I do have very poor images of the Free Press articles printed from an old microfiche machine. They are too poor to attach but I wonder if I inserted excerpts from them in my text as you did and reference them. There is far too much text in the Free Press articles to insert but it may make John Douglas seem more notable. I have also removed the circular references and inserted them as links which shows the names of the 2 Johnsons' in blue and the information can be read by mousing over. I have seen this in Wikipedia articles so I hope this is ok?
 * Thanks for your help Lorne D1947 (talk) 21:20, 15 October 2022 (UTC)
 * You don't want to be inserting a lot of excerpts from newspaper articles, you want to read the article, and then use your own words to give the information. If you copy word-for-word what someone else wrote you'll be violating a copyright law, and you don't want to do that. As an example, you may be looking for when someone got married, and find a 1960 newspaper notice stating "The happy couple wed during a moonlight ceremony on June fifth." Take the facts and write "Robert Roe married Jane Doe on June 5, 1960." Right after that you give the reference citation for where you got that information, because all the facts you add need a reference to show readers where you got your data.
 * You can give one or two short exact quotes, but that quote must be in quotation marks, immediately followed by a reference citation.
 * Have you read Help:Your first article? It is difficult to write an acceptable Wikipedia article, especially if you haven't spent a long time editing other Wikipedia articles, to help you learn what is included in a good article.
 * I'm not sure what you mean by inserting the circular references as links, as I don't see those links in what is in your User page. You can add Wikipedia links in a section at the bottom of your article, if you name that section "See also" or a similar title. Karenthewriter (talk) 01:10, 16 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Hi @Lettherebedarklight
 * I have removed the references but replaced the names of 2 individuals with links so the name is in blue and the reference to them can be read by mousing over. Is this acceptable? I have seen this used before.
 * I have very bad images from the newspaper articles obtained by making prints from an old microfiche machine. I am thinking of entering the text or at least meaningful excerpts to make the person seem more "notable". There is probably far too much text to insert.
 * Thanks for your help. Lorne D1947 (talk) 21:11, 15 October 2022 (UTC)
 * , I do not think this person meets the Notability guideline for curling. Cullen328 (talk) 21:22, 15 October 2022 (UTC)

Proposed Text Revision of en.Wikipedia's "No. 25 Squadron RAAF" Website
I would like to publish the changes I proposed to Wiki's "No 25 Squadron RAAF" website as per the proposed changes on the site's talk pages. For convenience of others I underlined most of the changes. Question: If I now want to "publish" the changes onto the site, how do I remove or prevent the underlining from being published? Shellac41 (talk) 08:49, 15 October 2022 (UTC)


 * You simply omit the ...  tags. - David Biddulph (talk) 09:12, 15 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Thanks, very helpful and appreciated. Shellac41 (talk) 01:57, 16 October 2022 (UTC)
 * The underlining is unnecessary. Anyone who wants to determine the changes you made can do so by clicking "Compare selected revisions" on the page history. Shantavira|feed me 09:15, 15 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Thanks for that helpful advice. Shellac41 (talk) 01:59, 16 October 2022 (UTC)

Suspicious behaviour
Admins please see https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Shahi_Kabir. Really suspicious behaviour by user Mcbath. He moved the from Draft space to main space and a minute later tag it for AFD deletion. The consensus was to draftify the article. Now he came and withdrawed the article. This is a tactical approach with h some hidden agenda. Please do take some action here 111.92.80.6 (talk) 02:11, 16 October 2022 (UTC)


 * I've kicked the article back to draft as that was the consensus of the discussion before the AfD was withdrawn (and the fact it was expressly moved from draft specifically to kill it). —<i style="color: #1E90FF;">Jéské Couriano</i>  v^&lowbar;^v  a little blue Bori 02:45, 16 October 2022 (UTC)

a questions about using screenshots
ive seen that you can upload screenshots from music videos, performance videos and interviews but can these be used in main infoboxes? is music release artwork allowed to be used in an infobox of a person if its just of the person without text or other graphics? and what are the limits on screenshots/what cant you screenshot? Avanttwink (talk) 22:04, 15 October 2022 (UTC)


 * Well a screenshot can only be used for the article the thing is about. You can usually include screenshots for articles about websites if they do not have a meaningful logo/favicon to use. I don't think you can use music release artwork for a person, only for the article about the album/song itself. RPI2026F1 (talk) 22:14, 15 October 2022 (UTC)
 * ah, i was thinking about sophie and A. G. Cooks articles, the pictures we have are so blurry and screenshots from their music videos i thought would be more fitting and (in sophies case) recognizable Avanttwink (talk) 22:21, 15 October 2022 (UTC)
 * No, sadly we can't use nonfree photos of a person if free ones exist or could be taken. <b style="color:#C64600">Madeline</b> (<small style="color:#613583">part of me ) 22:27, 15 October 2022 (UTC)
 * what about screenshots from live performances and red carpet events like the ariana grande page? why was that allowed and would any of these videos be able to be used in that way?
 * Sophie Red Carpet Interview | 2019 GRAMMYs
 * Watch SOPHIE and Sophia the Robot discuss the future of creativity
 * SOPHIE: the producer taking pop to the future (English Version / Interview) | Arte TRACKS
 * A. G. Cook & Charli XCX - Cold (Live at Pop Carol)
 * A. G. Cook - Secret Sky Acoustic EDM Set
 * Avanttwink (talk) 22:40, 15 October 2022 (UTC)
 * The infobox picture on Ariana Grande is from a video that was explicitly released under a free licence. That doesn't seem to be the case for any of those you provided. <b style="color:#C64600">Madeline</b> (<small style="color:#613583">part of me ) 22:42, 15 October 2022 (UTC)
 * The pictures are blurry for a reason. If they weren't then the copyright owners would have more of an incentive to sue. By making them blurry, Wikipedia is saying "look this is fair use, we're not trying to infringe your copyright, see we made it blurry so someone can look at this page and go 'oh yes that person/thing' but we're clearly not trying to steal from you otherwise we wouldn't blur the image". RPI2026F1 (talk) 22:35, 15 October 2022 (UTC)
 * No, these are freely licenced photos. You couldn't use a nonfree photo for a living person. <b style="color:#C64600">Madeline</b> (<small style="color:#613583">part of me ) 22:40, 15 October 2022 (UTC)
 * We don't accept nonfree images of living people (as it's possible for a freely-licensed image to be created). —<i style="color: #1E90FF;">Jéské Couriano</i>  v^&lowbar;^v  a little blue Bori 02:47, 16 October 2022 (UTC)

My first edit - immediately reverted why?
I went from this;

A Nicopress swaged sleeve is a mechanically swaged connector commonly used to make a mechanical or electro-mechanical connection. These sleeves join or terminate: wire rope, aircraft cable, synthetic cable, fibrous rope, or electrical conductor/cable

To this;

A Nicopress swaged sleeve is a connector that gets crimped using a hand tool and die (swaged). This type of compressed sleeve is commonly used to make mechanical or conductive connections. These sleeves join or terminate: wire rope, aircraft cable, synthetic cable, fibrous rope, or electrical conductor/cable

What did I do wrong? I use these kinds of crimp connectors all the time, and I tried to make it readable and simple.

Nicopress is just a brand; with many listed brands on Amazon

https://www.amazon.com/nicopress/s?k=nicopress

If you read every item it is crimped.. which is more understandable IMHO.

This is what happened one second later; so I came here..

Flibbertigibbets (talk) 03:07, 16 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Hi . I think what probably happened here is that your edit was mistakenly assessed as being non-constructive and possibly even as being vandalism by, even though I don't think it was as explained here. Unfortunately, lots of first edits made by newly created accounts actually aren't helpful so it can be quite easy to assume that all such edits aren't helpful. Many editors on the watch for vandalism use or automated tools or scripts to help them check on recent edits because it helps speed up the process and allows them to do more in less time. Unfortunately, this means they sometimes don't take a really close look at the edits they're reverting and thus OK edits like yours get lumped in with the rest. Now, I'm not saying your edit was perfect, and it might be capable of still being improved upon; however, I think it was incorrect to assess it as non-constructive and warn you as such. -- Marchjuly (talk) 03:50, 16 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Apologies for that, with how much reverting I do, there ought to be something constructive that accidentally gets reverted. Liliana UwU  (talk / contribs) 03:54, 16 October 2022 (UTC)
 * OK.. thanks if you could help tune up what I wrote perhaps, it would be great.. Flibbertigibbets (talk) 03:56, 16 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Thanks March, Within one second! I am looking to proof read what I wrote and it was not there.. then a nasty gram..within seconds   I am afraid whatever I do will be met with the stuff..  What would you do if you were me? Flibbertigibbets (talk) 03:55, 16 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Sorry for the above statement I spoke too soon.. Flibbertigibbets (talk) 03:57, 16 October 2022 (UTC)

Hate Speech
There was a recent example of hate speech in Christchurch mosque shootings. This was very quickly reverted and a warning posted to the user talk page. (Thank you User:Roger 8 Roger - just 2 minutes to revert. Good work!) With simple vandalism or accidental poor editing that is all that is needed. But this was disgusting. Whether the text is actually illegal in New Zealand is a matter for the lawyers but the fact that I am thinking about the anti-hate laws should show how bad it is. What more can be or should be done? OrewaTel (talk) 00:16, 16 October 2022 (UTC)
 * OrewaTel, thanks for noticing this. Such edits can be struck from the article's history. See WP:OVERSIGHT and this contact form.--Quisqualis (talk) 00:49, 16 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Thank you. User:Oversight has been informed. OrewaTel (talk) 07:23, 16 October 2022 (UTC)

Getting a draft reviewed
I really do apologize if this sounds impatient, and I suppose in a way it is, but is there a way to get your draft article looked at other than just submitting it and hoping? I've seen a few drafts that get reviewed within a day of creation, but mine has been submitted for 2 weeks and indeed it says that it can take up to 4 months. Just curious whether there's an avenue I'm missing or if those other articles have just gotten lucky. WP scatter t/c 06:44, 16 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Hello and welcome. You just got lucky the other times.  Drafts are placed in a category upon submission which reviewers can pick from as they wish, in the free time that they have, it is not a queue. There is no way to speed up the process.  Please be patient. If you have had other drafts accepted and placed in the encyclopedia, and are fairly confident that your draft could survive a deletion discussion, you could place it in the encyclopedia yourself. 331dot (talk) 07:20, 16 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the response. The other drafts are not mine, the one I'm waiting on is my first. So I'll just wait on it. e: Actually, I may just clean the article up and move it to main myself. I'm confident it's notable and it cites reliable sources.  WP scatter  t/c 07:23, 16 October 2022 (UTC)

OneClick Archive
I recently added OneClick Archive, and when I archive my talk page it sends it to User talk:Iamreallygoodatcheckers/Archive 1 instead of my most recent User talk:Iamreallygoodatcheckers/Archive 3. Can someone please help me? <b style="color: #8B0000;"> Iamreallygoodatcheckers</b>t@lk 05:49, 16 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Your user talk page is currently missing an archive config template (to my knowledge, it only seems to work with, see User:Lowercase_sigmabot_III/Archive_HowTo for its current documentation), which holds the count current archive count. Because it cannot find the template, the script seems to default to 1. See User:Technical 13/Scripts/OneClickArchiver, from which Evad37's version is derived, for details. Victor Schmidt (talk) 08:02, 16 October 2022 (UTC)

New WikiProject Proposal!
Hello Wikipedians, i am SMBMovieFan. i just proposed a new WikiProject called WikiProject Android. The wikiproject will be about improving the coverage of the operating system Android. There is a ton of articles to improve, and i believe this wikiproject will help improve the articles related to Android. Interested? Vote for your support here. SMBMovieFan (talk) 10:29, 16 October 2022 (UTC)

User Page
Please I'm Innocent Prince and I'm having issues creating my user Page Can someone help me out And yes I'm also having issues with editing, it ain't working... Please I need help. Cheers to Wikipedia — Preceding unsigned comment added by Soft Black (talk • contribs)


 * Hi! Based on the edit history, you're currently logged in as User:Soft Black. You can create that user page by clicking on the red link and creating it there. If you want to change your username to something else, click here for instructions about that.  WP scatter  t/c 07:46, 16 October 2022 (UTC)
 * looks like they got stopped by an edit filter., please review the userpage policy for what is acceptable on user pages. Victor Schmidt mobil (talk) 10:49, 16 October 2022 (UTC)

Redirect?
Hello, recently I wanted to create a link to the German village of de:Lorbach, by typing Lorbach. I expected a red link, as there is no article about this village on the English Wikipedia. Instead I got as result the blue link Lorbach, which apparently is a redirect to the asteroid 1755 Lorbach. Is this correct? Regards Roelof Hendrickx (talk) 09:59, 15 October 2022 (UTC)
 * u|Roelof Hendrickx that is "correct" in the sense that there is indeed a current redirect for Lorbach. I think you need to think about what any article about the village would be called and then use the ill template. So Lorbach (village) should do what you seek. See source code for this. Mike Turnbull (talk) 10:20, 15 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Mike Turnbull, thank you very much for your quick reply. I found it, and it works as you said. Regards, Roelof Hendrickx (talk) 10:25, 15 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Redirects can also be changed. My personal opinion is that if anyone creates an article about Lorbach the village, I'd rather see the redirect replaced by the article on the village, and a hatnote placed in the village article to direct those readers who are looking for the asteroid. Elemimele (talk) 13:39, 15 October 2022 (UTC)
 * In 2010 a bot created thousands of redirects to numbered asteroids like Lorbach to 1755 Lorbach. Nearly all them have low notability and often more notable meanings of their unnumbered name (like whatever they were named after). Consider e.g. Svanberg. includes 14 people with that surname but we send our users to a table row about asteroid number 8871 and a mention of who it was named after – a red link. Seriously? Users would usually be better served by search results when there is no disambiguation page. I have long thought about a mass nomination to delete a large part of those asteroid redirects but it's a mess I haven't dared to try to sort. PrimeHunter (talk) 21:27, 15 October 2022 (UTC)
 * I agree, Svanberg was ridiculous. I've converted it to a disambiguation page. Thank you for explaining the background to the asteroid redirects. The especially daft thing is that the Svanberg after whom the asteroid was named still lacks an article. Elemimele (talk) 11:37, 16 October 2022 (UTC)

Adding to covid-19 death toll
Im trying to add my grandmothers name to the list. I went to the template for editing however i cannot figure out how to add her name! I appreciate your time, Cheryl Lynn Cblack84 (talk) 09:41, 16 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. I'm not entirely sure which article you are attempting to edit. It could be protected from editing by new accounts, in which case you would need to go to the associated article talk page to request an edit. Your grandmother will need to have an existing Wikipedia article about her to be added, however. 331dot (talk) 10:28, 16 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Hello, Cblack84. As 331dot says, most list articles are not lists of all people (places, organisations ...) that meet their criteria, they are lists of Wikipedia articles about people (places, organisations ...) which meet their criteria. If you grandmother met Wikipedia's criteria for notabililty, then there could be an article about her, and her name could feature in a list. But otherwise, I'm afraid not. ColinFine (talk) 12:15, 16 October 2022 (UTC)

1985 Kansas City Royals season
Hello. Go to the above article. Scroll down to where it says Offense and Pitching infoboxes, move both infoboxes from far right to the far left. Thank you for your time.Theairportman33531 (talk) 11:25, 16 October 2022 (UTC) Theairportman33531 (talk) 11:24, 16 October 2022 (UTC)


 * Hello, Theairportman, and welcome to the Teahouse. I must say that my immediate reaction to your command is to say "Why should I"? But more generally, if there is a change you want made to an article and you are unable or unwilling to do it yourself, the place to ask is the article's talk page, in this case Talk:1985 Kansas City Royals season. ColinFine (talk) 12:19, 16 October 2022 (UTC)
 * My reaction, on the other hand, was "Why not?" I've made the easy change here. It may be reverted, but I can't offhand see why. Deor (talk) 13:27, 16 October 2022 (UTC)

How to cite a product catalog?
I've been trying to sort out information about guitar models on Wikidata and Wikipedia, and found some archived Ibanez product catalogs saved on the Internet Archive/Ibanez's website.

In the 1999 US product catalog I found information on the Ibanez PGM30 that can be used as a source for information in the article that is currently not cited.

How should I cite a product catalog like this template-wise? Would a catalog fall under Template:Cite magazine? Or would it be something else? Lizzyd710 (talk) 17:08, 11 October 2022 (UTC)


 * Hello, Lizzy. I'm not convinced that information cited only to a product catalogue belongs in a Wikipedia article. If an independent source talks about a model, then you could use a catalogue for details about the model (see WP:VENDOR), but the general principle is that if something has not been covered by independent sources, it doesn't belong in Wikipedia. I'm not sure what template would fit best: the difference between the templates is normally in what arguments they accept or require. Presumably there's no author or title here - but the important data would be publisher and date. ColinFine (talk) 19:24, 11 October 2022 (UTC)
 * "If an independent source talks about a model, then you could use a catalogue for details about the model" Yes, that is the case. There have been quite a few published books on guitar model history (I just don't have access to them right now) and the information I'm using from the catalog is the objective facts such as years produced and the technical specifications such as the wood used for construction, the colors available, etc. I figured that fit within the scope of primary sources outlined in WP:RSPRIMARY, especially since I'm trying to focus on articles with no sources so that the information will have at least one source in the meantime while others (or myself, for that matter) can access the published books written by independent authors from the vendors. Would that be more of an acceptable situation? (Thanks for clarifying about the citation templates! I wasn't sure if there were more differences than the arguments, so I wanted to make sure!) Lizzyd710 (talk) 22:21, 13 October 2022 (UTC)
 * From WP:RSPRIMARY, "Although specific facts may be taken from primary sources, secondary sources that present the same material are preferred." (emphasis added)
 * -- @Lizzyd710, @ColinFine
 * Paper catalogs have existed for centuries and are a valuable and often unappreciated source for basic facts and descriptions about items for sale. The "seller" or "manufacturer" with some exceptions, usually state accurate the facts about the items that are for sale or risk potentially losing customers and therefore profits through falsehoods or mis-statements. Catalogs were often printed annually and help to build customer's brand loyalty through trust in the catalog's accurate information. The Sears catalog is a prominent example. Garden catalogs in the United States alone, number in the thousands since the 1800's [] Catalogs can and should be used. If a secondary source is later found, that is the preferred source and can be replaced. -- Ooligan (talk) 19:00, 15 October 2022 (UTC)
 * It's also good to keep in mind that the primary-secondary-tertiary rubric we use here is lifted from academia and doesn't actually fit all that well with our mission. You can't use primary sources to establish notability of course, but beyond that the only real reason not to use primary sources is that you might be cherry-picking facts to make some point, overemphasize some aspect, or imply some state state or condition. You can easily do this inadvertently too. (In theory a secondary source will put the facts together, appropriately emphasizing the correct one because they are professionals and experts. Fine, sometimes.) Anyway, if that's not in play, the main remaining reason not to use primary sources is that people might squawk at you. Herostratus (talk) 14:04, 16 October 2022 (UTC)

Editing pages
Hello all. Question: Do you need to have an edit you want to add be "green-lit" (e.g., on article talk pages)? I was in a couple wikis that instituted green-lighting in the past, and I wonder if Wikipedia has that policy too. ProfessorM2112 (talk) 14:38, 16 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Generally, no. You are encouraged to be bold in updating articles. If your changes are undone, you should discuss rather than edit war. See also WP:BRD. However, especially in controversial areas, it can be good to ask on the talk page first if you want to institute substantial changes. Some articles also have pending changes enabled, which means every edit will undergo a cursory check for vandalism and such. <b style="color:#C64600">Madeline</b> (<small style="color:#613583">part of me ) 14:46, 16 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Hello, ProfessorM2112, and welcome to the Teahouse. I guess you are talking about something like pending changes: this is only enabled on certain articles where there have been problems. If it's something, please clarify. ColinFine (talk) 14:46, 16 October 2022 (UTC)

How do I create a wiki page?
e Crusestwit404 (talk) 16:13, 16 October 2022 (UTC)


 * @Crusestwit404 See basic requirements at WP:GNG. If you conclude "Yeah, I have those sources, no problem!" move on to WP:YFA and WP:TUTORIAL. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 16:17, 16 October 2022 (UTC)

Recurring infobox information across articles
I'm editing some articles about a couple of ship classes and their individual vessels. The thing about their infoboxes is that they should contain much of the same information across multiple articles. The ship class article uses "Infobox ship characteristics", but it doesn't seem ideal to me to duplicate all of the information across multiple articles. Can I create a new infobox template for each class that already includes this information? Is there a command I can include in the articles to import this information from WikiData? I tried searching for Wp:Recurring information, Wp:Wikidate interface and Wp:Implement interface, but I did not find any relevant results. BucketOfSquirrels (talk) 17:04, 16 October 2022 (UTC)


 * Hello, BucketOfSquirrels, and welcome to the Teahouse You can create new tamplates (eg "infobox class XXX ship") that incorporate the exisiting template but supply values for some of the parameters. ColinFine (talk) 17:38, 16 October 2022 (UTC)

Can I make new maps with existing wikicommon files?
Recently I'm working on creating/expanding articles of each township-level division of China, and as part of that I would need location maps where the township for the corresponding article is highlighted. As these maps do not exist in wikimedia commons as of yet, am I allowed to make them with existing maps and use them in articles? How do I make appropriate attribution as demanded under the creative common license? And is there any other things that I would need to know or follow? Tutwakhamoe (talk) 13:19, 16 October 2022 (UTC)


 * @Tutwakhamoe This is a question for Wikimedia Commons, really. It is not at all the same as the English language Wikipedia. What you will produce is a "derivative work" for which there are rules of attribution. Please ask the experts there 🇺🇦 Fiddle Timtrent  Faddle Talk to me 🇺🇦 16:19, 16 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Thanks! I'll go to Wikimedia Commons then Tutwakhamoe (talk) 17:39, 16 October 2022 (UTC)
 * @Tutwakhamoe The short answer is that you must do whatever it says in the licensing section of the Commons page. Usually for derivative works that means attributing the source but for public domain files (not the one you linked) you don't need to even do that. As already advised, any specific questions can be directed to the Commons experts at Commons:Village_pump/Copyright. Mike Turnbull (talk) 16:56, 16 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Understood. Thank you for your time! Tutwakhamoe (talk) 17:39, 16 October 2022 (UTC)

How do I restore the article contents after heading paragraph in the reading mode
Hi. At present, my reading mode doesn't show the article content in blue after the heading paragraph as it used to do. I suspect this was after I made an accidental change in my user preferences. Can you please help me restore showing the article contents' tree in blue when I read articles? Thank you. Neuralia (talk) 11:27, 16 October 2022 (UTC)


 * Hello, Neuralia, and welcome to the Teahouse. I haven't attempted to answer your question until now, because I have no idea what you are talking about. I don't recognise your description from any of the interfaces I have used. Please clarify what you are looking at (is it the desktop version in a browser, the mobile version in a mobile browser, or a specialised app) and if you are in a browser, which skin you are using. ColinFine (talk) 14:44, 16 October 2022 (UTC)
 * @Neuralia Is it just that you looked at a short article? The contents box is generated automatically by the Wiki software on articles with at least four sections and can't be suppressed, as far as I know. See WP:TOC for details. If you are not seeing the TOC on long articles, then the additional information mentioned by Colin would be a first step to getting more help. Mike Turnbull (talk) 17:04, 16 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Hi, thanks for your reply. I just realized I was using skin Vector 2022, and I wanted Vector legacy 2010. Problem solved. Best regards. Neuralia (talk) 17:14, 16 October 2022 (UTC)
 * @Neuralia: The reason why you didn't see the table of contents in the new Vector 2022 skin is because they've been moved to the sidebar to the left. — Tenryuu 🐲  ( 💬 • 📝 ) 17:19, 16 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Thanks Neuralia (talk) 17:44, 16 October 2022 (UTC)

writing Arabic topic on Wikipedia English or any other language
Can I write an arabic or any other different language topic on Wikipedia English ? Bushra Tughar (talk) 19:30, 16 October 2022 (UTC)
 * If this topic has an encyclopedic value and you write in English, then yes. Ruslik_ Zero 19:32, 16 October 2022 (UTC)

Including a note with a citations
Regarding my citation: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mass_(Bernstein)#cite_note-16 -- It references a blog entry, which I understand is generally regarded as an invalid source. However, the referenced blog entry includes photo images of a 1974 program guide that reliably verifies the information added into the main article. Should a note about the photo images be included with the citation to justify its veracity? Florida-Ed (talk) 18:34, 16 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Do you know if that blog is permitted to republish those photographs and newspaper clippings? If not, then it's a copyright violation and we shouldn't link to it. ~Anachronist (talk) 20:31, 16 October 2022 (UTC)
 * The program brochure was issued in 1974 without a copyright notice and is therefore in the Public Domain; the newspaper clippings are only excerpts from longer articles, with no potential for damaging the market or value of the originals, and thus should fall within fair use guidelines: https://copyright.columbia.edu/basics/fair-use.html . However, if this is an issue for Wikipedia, I'll go ahead and delete the blog citation, and keep only the link to the UPDATE "Campus Calendar" on the University's site -- it doesn't specify any of the performers, but at least the dates are verified there. --Thanks so much for responding! Florida-Ed (talk) 21:16, 16 October 2022 (UTC)

Feedback regarding vague feedback re: references, please :-)
Hi. I received a rejection notice saying I have inadequate references. I think my references are solid. Can someone please advise? Draft article: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Fran_Christina Bookscatsmusickiwis (talk) 20:59, 16 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Hello, . Your draft was declined, not rejected. There is a major difference. Which three independent, reliable sources provide truly significant coverage of this person, as opposed to passing mentions? Cullen328 (talk) 21:06, 16 October 2022 (UTC)
 * There is a lot of unreferenced name-dropping in your draft. That is not acceptable. Cullen328 (talk) 21:11, 16 October 2022 (UTC)


 * Additionally,, phrasing:
 * "such blues legends as [long list] among others". If "legends" means "musicians", say "musicians"; if not, specify.
 * "a member of the multi-Grammy award-winning western swing band Asleep at the Wheel": no need for "multi-Grammy award-winning"
 * "legendary Elvis Presley, Bob Wills, Hank Williams producer/engineer Bob Sullivan": no need for "legendary"
 * "The adaptation of "Tuff Enuff" the band did for a Texas anti-litter campaign in 1986 helped snowball the slogan “Don’t Mess With Texas” into a cultural phenomenon." What does "cultural phenomenon" mean, and what's your source for the "snowballing"?
 * -- Hoary (talk) 23:40, 16 October 2022 (UTC)

Submission rejection query
"This submission is not adequately supported by reliable sources." what are considered reliable sources on wikipedia if I add a location detail? Ain123 (talk) 09:02, 16 October 2022 (UTC)


 * Hello, Ain123, and welcome to the Teahouse. Reliable sources are those published by somebody (usually an organisation) with a reputation for fact-checkihng and editorial control: see WP:RS.
 * However, that message is sometimes a bit misleading. There are three separate requirements on most sources: 1) that they be reliable, 2) that they be independent of the subject, and 3) that they contain significant coverage of the subject.
 * I'm guessing that this is about Draft:Gaju Khel. fallingrain.com may very well be a reliable source, but it does not contain significant coverage of Gaju Khel, just one piece of information about it. That reference would be helpful to support the claim about rainfall, but without several reliable sources which give information about the village itself, the draft is not adequately sourced. ColinFine (talk) 12:11, 16 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Alright. This is my father's village actually and he was born and brought up there before leaving for the city. I will look for other sources as well.
 * Thank you for your reply. Ain123 (talk) 00:49, 17 October 2022 (UTC)

How to mark an article if there is a similar article in a sister wiki?
I found the article Appelpop that has a companion article in the Dutch Wikipedia. I want to include a notice that says that the dutch version exists, but I don't know the template for it and I can't seem to find it via search. Which template is it? RPI2026F1 (talk) 00:19, 17 October 2022 (UTC)


 * You will see that this is already covered by the "languages" item at the foot of the left-hand menu bar on the article. Such links are usually made through Wikidata. - David Biddulph (talk) 00:23, 17 October 2022 (UTC)
 * , a far bigger problem is that both the English language and Dutch language articles are entirely unreferenced. Cullen328 (talk) 00:32, 17 October 2022 (UTC)
 * I was trying to make one of those banners that say "there is an article in that might have more info", how do I do those? RPI2026F1 (talk) 00:33, 17 October 2022 (UTC)
 * If nl:Appelpop were good, RPI2026F1, you could add " " to Talk:Appelpop. But as Cullen328 has pointed out, the Dutch article isn't good (it's very poor), so please do not add this template. -- Hoary (talk) 01:19, 17 October 2022 (UTC)

Two questions
This edit was just made to John Singer Sargent:

16 October 2022

 * curprev 14:28, 16 October 2022‎ Citation bot  talk contribs‎  66,544 bytes −20‎  Alter: title. | Use this bot. Report bugs. | Suggested by Abductive | #UCB_webform 3170/3850 undo

What the edit did was to remove pairs of double brackets that linked names to their Wikipedia entries. These names all appeared within a book title.

Question 1: Was this edit made by a human being or was it automated? Question 2: In either case, why was it made? We don't have a rule against linking names in book titles, do we? Maurice Magnus (talk) 00:56, 17 October 2022 (UTC)


 * Yes, it was automated by Citation bot. The links were in the title of a citation, and were broken anyway - the reference linked to the source, and the link formatting was ignored.  WP scatter  t/c 01:14, 17 October 2022 (UTC)
 * , the general principle as I understand it is that we add wikilinks to original text written by Wikipedia editors but not to text written elsewhere and copied into Wikipedia. Adding wikilinks to direct quotations is discouraged, for example. Book titles are written through a collaborative discussion between authors and publishers, and in my opinion, should be left alone. If the book itself is notable and has a Wikipedia article, then a wikilink to the article about the book is appropriate. But I do not think that wikilinking individual words in a book title is a good idea. Cullen328 (talk) 01:31, 17 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Thanks Maurice Magnus (talk) 01:40, 17 October 2022 (UTC)

I don't think the relationship between the main text and the footnotes is correct.
Collaborative_project_management New tools for storing and managing code, continuous delivery, Test Automation, and real-time collaboration have made colocation less of a priority for software development teams. Mocha c jp (talk) 02:57, 17 October 2022 (UTC)


 * Agreed, it looks pretty WP:PROMO. Several sources are dead links there too. Added template, looking at cleaning it up a bit. Dylnuge  (Talk • Edits) 03:13, 17 October 2022 (UTC)


 * I agree thank you. Mocha c jp (talk) 03:23, 17 October 2022 (UTC)
 * I'm also having difficulty finding sources that verify most of the article's contents. Rupert Stuffer doesn't seem to be referenced in reliable sources. Searching for "Collaborative project management" gives results, but none of them are very in-depth, and I can't tell if they're describing the same business practice or just all combining two very common phrases. Looks like you've been pretty actively working on the page; what are your thoughts here? Is this a real thing? Dylnuge  (Talk • Edits) 03:26, 17 October 2022 (UTC)
 * "Collaborative project management" was created in German in 2008. After that, "10:53, 21. Mai 2012‎ Actano Ute‎" has registered the current prototype.
 * The English version starts with " 14:35, 25 May 2012‎ Actano Ute".
 * The German and English editors seem to be the same person.
 * As of 2012, there is a name of "Dr. Rupert Stuffer". Mocha c jp (talk) 03:54, 17 October 2022 (UTC)

Update Page. List of footballers with 500 or more goals
Using data taken from messivsronaldo.app I would like to update Messi's and Ronaldo's statistics. Ronaldo now has 498 league goals, 51 cup goals, and 117 international goals (all of his stats are out of date). Messi now has 485 league goals, 71 cup goals, and 90 international goals (all of his numbers are out of date). Robert Lewandowski's stats are also out of date. He has 403 league goals, 76 international goals, 556 total club goals, for 632 total goals. (Data taken from, his wikipedia page, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Lewandowski Some of Zlatan Ibrahimovic's stats are also out of date. He has 405 league goals, ect. (Data taken from UEFA.com) Luis Suárez's stats are also out of date. He has 389 league goals(Data taken from https://www.transfermarkt.us/luis-suarez/detaillierteleistungsdaten/spieler/44352), Suarez's Cup goals are correct (Source continued.), 68 Senior International Goals are correct (source continued.) TheDec3000 (talk) 16:02, 15 October 2022 (UTC)


 * messivsronaldo.app is not a reliable source. I'm sure there are better sources out there for footballer stats. Sungodtemple (talk) 16:17, 15 October 2022 (UTC)
 * That is not the only source I was using, the data taken from messivsronaldo.app is all double-checked and corroborated by https://fbref.com/en/players/d70ce98e/Lionel-Messi under (Standard Stats: Domestic Leagues)  and
 * https://fbref.com/en/players/dea698d9/Cristiano-Ronaldo under (player club summary and Standard Stats.)
 * All of the data matched up. If it didn't match up I would not have included it because I would not know who is right. TheDec3000 (talk) 22:13, 16 October 2022 (UTC)
 * @TheDec3000 Just because the numbers match doesn't make messivsronaldo.app a reliable or even a usable source.  If the other source is considered reliable by WP, you should use the other one. David10244 (talk) 04:42, 17 October 2022 (UTC)

Draft page procedure
I am posting for the first time. What is the procedure to cancel the draft from the draft page? Mocha c jp (talk) 00:16, 17 October 2022 (UTC)


 * If you've already made the draft page you could leave it alone, or request speedy deletion. RPI2026F1 (talk) 00:19, 17 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Expression was ambiguous. My question is about the procedure for getting drafts to become regular pages. Mocha c jp (talk) 00:30, 17 October 2022 (UTC)
 * @Mocha c jp: If you're absolutely certain that it's ready for mainspace, you can add {{subst:submit}} to the top of the page. Be aware that a review may be pending for a while due to the number of drafts in the backlog. — Tenryuu 🐲  ( 💬 • 📝 ) 02:00, 17 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Your question was disengenuous. Since starting your account in July, you have had nine drafts or articles speedy deleted; you have created articles that were converted to drafts; you have submitted three drafts to AfC that were Declined, one more Rejected, and two more drafts not yet submitted. Per Tenryuus's reply you can submit and resubmit drafts for review, but I strongly suggest that you reconsider all of your efforts, as you have also been warned several times for promotional content, also copyright infringement, and temporarily blocked for continuing to transgress Wikipedia policy after being warned. I suggest you tag all of your existing drafts for Administrator deletion and refrain from any new efforts to create articles on the topic of work management software, or else risk being indefinitly blocked. David notMD (talk) 02:09, 17 October 2022 (UTC)
 * It's difficult to interpret. [Wikipedia:Five pillars]
 * We are careful about copyright and try to improve. Mocha c jp (talk) 02:40, 17 October 2022 (UTC)
 * @Mocha c jp Copyright wasn't the only issue here. And I think the wp:Five pillars are very clear.  David10244 (talk) 04:49, 17 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Perhaps Wikipedia:五本の柱 is a little easier, Mocha c jp. And why do you say "we"? -- Hoary (talk) 07:03, 17 October 2022 (UTC)

vandalism
Hey guys, just a quick note to report some vandalism. Normally I'd reverse it myself but another editor doubled down and I don't know how to reverse 2 edits. The last 2 edits at List of presidents of Lebanon are "problematic". I trust someone here will fix it? Dutchy45 (talk) 05:26, 17 October 2022 (UTC)


 * Looks like it's been reverted, thanks for the report! Dylnuge  (Talk • Edits) 05:39, 17 October 2022 (UTC)
 * , I Twinkle'd it. I assume was just fixing capitalization/spelling and didn't realize the context. For reverting multiple edits, you can use Twinkle to restore a previous version of a page as I did, or click edit on a previous version of a page and save it, which will accomplish the same thing. Happy editing! Perfect4th (talk) 05:40, 17 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Thank you for taking care of that. I try to check the context when I'm fixing typos, and I apologize for not being careful enough this time.   M ANdARAX       XAЯAbИA M    06:40, 17 October 2022 (UTC)
 * No harm (from you), and I really don't think there's a need for apologies. Good faith edits is all WP and the WP-community asks and yours apparently was. Dutchy45 (talk) 07:38, 17 October 2022 (UTC)
 * "click edit on a previous version of a page and save it" Thanks @Perfect4th, I didn't know that! Dutchy45 (talk) 07:33, 17 October 2022 (UTC)

Cómo evitar que se revierta una edición
Estoy tratando de complementar datos incompletos y se me revirtieron por no considerarlos constructivos Karlosmerino (talk) 07:41, 17 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Welcome to English-language Wikipedia, Karlosmerino. Questions here are usually posed in English, but I for one don't mind if they're in Spanish. However, additions to articles must be in English; this edit of yours was in Spanish. If you'd like to improve an article here but are not confident that your English is good enough, feel free to write in Spanish at the foot of the article's talk page (for this one, Talk:Fredy Torres) in order to suggest the change. -- Hoary (talk) 08:15, 17 October 2022 (UTC)

BLP policy on "removing at subject's request"
I know of at least one bit of policy that allows us to omit information based on a subject's wishes - WP:DOB states that a birthday can be eschewed for a birth year in the case that the subject feels it's a violation of privacy. Is there a more general policy about this? Obviously things like WP:V, WP:NPOV and WP:DUE take precedence over what a subject wishes their article to be about, and I've read WP:COI, but there are still gray areas. More specifically, is there policy on a subject disliking their photo and suggesting it be replaced? If the new photo is freely licensed and generally representative, is it proper to do so? If there is no policy about this I'd like to start an RfC, I haven't found anything but I'm still not great at looking. WP scatter t/c 06:12, 16 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Article subjects are free to offer what they see as better images of themselves just as any editor is free to propose a new image- in many cases this may be the only way to get a copyright-compatible image of a subject. One hang-up is that unless it's a selfie someone else usually owns the copyright and would need to release it.   331dot (talk) 07:24, 16 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Well sure, that makes sense. I guess the question is whether "the subject doesn't want the old image to be in the article" should be a motivator to make the change; I suppose, lacking policy specifying otherwise, the default answer is it isn't.  WP scatter  t/c 07:27, 16 October 2022 (UTC)
 * If they propose a new image that is actually better, and there wouldn't be a role for the old image in the article somewhere else, the motivation doesn't matter. Now, if they just want it removed without a replacement, that may present different issues. 331dot (talk) 07:30, 16 October 2022 (UTC)
 * What I'm talking about is the situation where the article is just fine as-is, and the subject wants the picture replaced for entirely unrelated reasons (example). Assuming the replacement is about equally suited for the article and is freely licensed, can we make that change, citing the subject's request as the only reason?  WP scatter  t/c 07:34, 16 October 2022 (UTC)
 * That would be up to the editors that follow that article, if the personal preference of the subject(assuming everything else is equal) should be respected. I know of no policy which prevents that from being done. The closest thing I know of is WP:BLPREQUESTDELETE for entire articles, when the subject would prefer not to have one.  Normally that is not relevant, but in edge notability cases, we can err on the side of deletion.  331dot (talk) 07:41, 16 October 2022 (UTC)
 * WP:BLPKINDNESS may apply, a little. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 08:19, 16 October 2022 (UTC)
 * I am not sure that your tweeted example is entirely serious, but at any rate "I want a hotter picture" is not policy.
 * That being said, WP:MUGSHOT is policy. If the current picture is showing the subject in a bad light, it should usually be replaced by a more neutral pic or removed entirely (regardless of whether the subject is a pretty actress or a genocidal warlord). A subject’s objection can be a weak piece of evidence towards "the image is not neutral". Tigraan <span title="Send me a silicium letter!" style="color:">Click here for my talk page ("private" contact) 08:36, 17 October 2022 (UTC)

Many descriptions are sent back for the reason of "advertisement".
Recently, many descriptions have been returned due to "advertisement". Since I am a person on the user side, I would like to know various information (not the one-sided sales pitch of the manufacturer) as the purpose of using Wikipedia. So, what should I do so that you can make corrections instead of sending back the description? Is it okay to write "I want to add like this" on the Talk page without editing the article directly? Mocha c jp (talk) 02:16, 17 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Many of your article edits have been reverted because you were attempting to add promotional content, with references the website of the subject of the article, for example Jira (software) "Jira Work Management makes it easy for business teams to collaborate, align, and deliver work, all in one place." David notMD (talk) 02:40, 17 October 2022 (UTC)
 * There are so many product pages, what is the difference between my writing style and what is the difference? For example Jira (software).
 * Also, why does only 'Jira Align' have a ref and not 'Jira Work Management', 'Jira Software' and 'Jira Service Management'?
 * Jira Work Management is intended as generic project management.
 * Jira Software includes the base software, including agile project management features (previously a separate product: Jira Agile).
 * Jira Service Management is intended for use by IT operations or business service desks.
 * Jira Align is intended for strategic product and portfolio management
 * Mocha c jp (talk) 03:04, 17 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Even here, you're clearly writing like an advertisement and not from a neutral POV. When you're writing you have to avoid using buzzwords. Instead of just saying something like "Jira Align is intended for strategic product and portfolio management" explain HOW its intended on doing so. Trust me, no one is going to buy your product just cause it's on Wikipedia. FishandChipper 🐟🍟 03:31, 17 October 2022 (UTC)
 * It's worth noting that existing content on Wikipedia isn't necessarily an indicator that it's well-written or even meets basic notability and neutrality standards, as a lot of stuff tends to slip under the radar, and not all pages are of equivalent quality. Jira (software) definitely has issues as a page (and it's flagged as having them at the top). Dylnuge  (Talk • Edits) 03:35, 17 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Hasn't the time come to finally pin down whether or not this editor has a COI? They have ignored at least two such inquiries on their user Talk page. They definitely need to make a clear statement one way or the other, as they are a prolific article starter.--Quisqualis (talk) 03:52, 17 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Hello, Mocha c jp. Your use of the phrase "product page" is revealing. Wikipedia does not contain "product pages" (or "company pages" or "artist pages" etc). What it contains is encyclopaedia articles about products, companies, artists etc. This might seem like nitpicking, but it is a useful distinction to make, because it emphasizes that an article about a product does not belong to the company whose product it is, is not in any way for the benefit of that company, and should be based almost entirely on what people have published who are not connected with the company. Wikipedia has essentially no interest at all in what the company says or wants to say about its product. Anything in an article that looks like what the company wants to say about the product (as opposed to what unconnected people have published about the product) is likely to look like advertising. ColinFine (talk) 10:54, 17 October 2022 (UTC)

As of 17 Oct, 13 of the 23 refs for Jira (software) are to the company website that developed/owns Jira. Those pre-date Mocha c jp's involvement, but still represent a deeply flawed article. David notMD (talk) 11:01, 17 October 2022 (UTC)

How do I Merge and Deal with Advertising and Marketing
I was given a page to edit Don Pepin Garcia Blue Label as new editor (empowered to make minor edits) which was a "single cigar brand" which then linked back to the entry of Pepin Garcia. This company seems to have many cigar brands with each and every one of them having an individual Wikipedia page. I can edit for grammar but this sort of challenge is above my weight class. --   What is the correct approach? Should the articles be left alone? Flibbertigibbets (talk) 21:27, 16 October 2022 (UTC)
 * These articles are all poorly referenced and promotional. IMHO they should have all their unreferenced content removed, and be merged into a single article. I'm curious about who "gave you this page to edit". Maproom (talk) 21:57, 16 October 2022 (UTC)
 * @Maproom I wonder if the editor means the suggestions on the Special:Homepage. Alyo  (<b style="font-family:courier; font-size:small">chat</b>·<b style="font-family:courier; font-size:small">edits</b>) 22:02, 16 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Yep.. that is it thanks! Flibbertigibbets (talk) 23:46, 16 October 2022 (UTC)
 * There is a "new user" assignment "robot" that suggests articles to edit. Flibbertigibbets (talk) 23:45, 16 October 2022 (UTC)
 * OK, figured out that these articles were "nominated for deletion" Articles for deletion/Don Pepin Garcia (which also lists a bunch of other individual cigar brands)..  But I don't think that anything was done.      Flibbertigibbets (talk) 23:52, 16 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Since a main article exists, Don Pepin Garcia Blue Label is just an individual cigar, the article is not referenced, and the article is advertisement, there is no way to rewrite the article; I found a "tag"  See CSD G11.  to give the article a path for staying on Wikipedia or being deleted.   I think all that needs to be done to keep the article is for someone to contest its deletion?  So, I don't think I did anything too radical? Flibbertigibbets (talk) 02:12, 17 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Liz I think correctly reverted my speedy deletion; I found this; "If a page has survived its most recent deletion discussion, it should not be speedily deleted except for newly discovered copyright violations and pages that meet specific uncontroversial criteria; these criteria are noted below. Contributors sometimes create pages over several edits, so administrators should avoid deleting a page that appears incomplete too soon after its creation."  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Flibbertigibbets (talk • contribs) 12:50, 17 October 2022 (UTC)

Automated wikiproject participants list based on usage of template?
I am currently drafting a new wikiproject and there is a userbox template I have created for the Wikiproject.

This userbox adds the user to a WikiProject category page that contains all the users that are using this template.

Is it possible to create some kind of automatic dynamic list of all the user pages to form a list of participants of this wikiproject? DominusVilicus (talk) 11:02, 17 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Hi DominusVilicus, welcome to the Teahouse.  produces:


 * It seems better to just link Category:WikiProject Autonomous Zones members. PrimeHunter (talk) 13:48, 17 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Thanks DominusVilicus (talk) 13:52, 17 October 2022 (UTC)
 * It's possible to only display userspace pages and hide pages which only make a link without transcluding (no pages in this example). produces:


 * PrimeHunter (talk) 14:16, 17 October 2022 (UTC)

Missing Page for Masasumi Kakizaki
He is the author for the mangas Yomotsuhegui, Kansen Rettou, Spy no Tsuma, X-Gene, Hideout, Green Blood, Bestarius and Rainbow. 98.128.243.105 (talk) 14:55, 17 October 2022 (UTC)


 * Notability requirements for authors generally depend on the notability of the work they've created, though general notability requirements can also be applied. If you think they meet those standards for inclusion, you can create an article for them at articles for creation using the article wizard. Feel free to ask here if you need any help! Dylnuge  (Talk • Edits) 15:01, 17 October 2022 (UTC)

Searching historical wikipedia versions by date
How to search for a wikipedia article based from its editing date? For example, newest and oldest article only show 2022/2021 and 2008/2007 respectively, but i want to find 2017/2018 version of article. How i search for it? Nag-Eedit si Mang Robert (talk) 06:31, 15 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Hi Nag-Eedit si Mang Robert, if I read you correctly, you're looking to see different revisions of the same article through its history. You can do this by selecting the "view history" tab at the top of any article which will bring up all previous revisions of the article in its lifespan. You can then view each individual revision by clicking the time and date of that revision which will show you how the article looked at that time. Hope this helps. Kosack (talk) 06:43, 15 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Is there device that can search exact date when im want to go to? For example I want to go 2015 version article, "view history" only show newest and oldest 500. Nag-Eedit si Mang Robert (talk) 07:11, 15 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Not that I know of. What I do is click on "Older 500" to view 500 at a time, until I see the date I am looking for. It doesn't show only newest and oldest 500, the "newer" and "older" links take you to pages. If there are less than 1000 edits, then there can only be newest and oldest. ~Anachronist (talk) 07:23, 15 October 2022 (UTC)
 * On the "View History" page, click the Filter revisions dropdown which lets you choose a certain date to view. StartOkayStop (talk) 07:24, 15 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Nice thanks very helpful I thought that was just there as aesthetic. Nag-Eedit si Mang Robert (talk) 07:45, 15 October 2022 (UTC)
 * At the top of the history page you should see a box labelled "Filter revisions". Click the down arrow in that box. You will see an entry field labelled "To date:". Type a date into that field in the format YYY-MM-DD. Click on the button labelled "Show revisions". --User:Khajidha (talk) (contributions) 15:14, 17 October 2022 (UTC)

Pictures Denied on Wikimedia
I need someone to help me. I sent two pictures with permissions from both individuals to publish to Wikimedia and they still are not approving the pictures. Both individuals sent the permissions to Wikimedia from their own computers, one from Florida and one from Texas. Both pictures were personally taken by the individuals in public domains. How can I get these pictures approved? Wikimedia is now asking how the individuals are the sole propriator of the media? Is it not illegal to take a picture of a monument in a public domain? Wikimedia is asking how the individuals became the sole owner of the pictures. I answered their question but they have not responded. The individuals took the pictures. Can someone please help me? Cjmodica (talk) 15:21, 17 October 2022 (UTC)


 * I think this is about this deletion discussion over on Commons. 199.208.172.35 (talk) 15:24, 17 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Thank you. Cjmodica (talk) 15:31, 17 October 2022 (UTC)

Can someone please check
Hello, I have made some contributions on this page after a thorough research and checking in WP:RS citations - Foreign relations of Taiwan Since this is a sensitive topic, can I request someone to check my contributions and add if I missed out on something. Thank you. ANLgrad (talk) 14:59, 14 October 2022 (UTC)


 * @ANLgrad That article has about 180 page watchers according to its information page. You are likely to get much better comments from them via its Talk Page than you will from those who hang out at the Teahouse to help people with process more than content. So you just need to wait and continue to watch there. Mike Turnbull (talk) 15:07, 14 October 2022 (UTC)
 * @Michael D. Turnbull thank you. Understood. I didn't know there were so many watchers on the page. ANLgrad (talk) 15:26, 14 October 2022 (UTC)
 * For any article, click on View history and then Page views. Right side of screen will show number of watchers. As you have made several edits, consider starting a new discussion on the Talk page to declare your intentions. David notMD (talk) 15:37, 14 October 2022 (UTC)
 * @David notMD thank you for suggesting to starting a new discussion on the Talk Page. I will do that. ANLgrad (talk) 17:04, 17 October 2022 (UTC)
 * @ANLgrad I see a "page information" link in the left-side-menu.  At least, in desktop mode; not sure about mobile. David10244 (talk) 02:15, 15 October 2022 (UTC)
 * @David notMD When I click Page History, I don't see anything labeled "Page views".  I even CTRL-F searched the history page. Different options or a different skin perhaps? David10244 (talk) 02:17, 15 October 2022 (UTC)
 * After I click on View history at the top, that accesses the chronological list of all edits. Across the top of that page is External tools: which includes Page views. David notMD (talk) 11:07, 15 October 2022 (UTC)
 * @David10244 (pinging as it was you who asked). As David said.... Also you can do it in one click from the article's page by using the "Page information" tool on the menus to the left in PC browsers. Mike Turnbull (talk) 11:11, 15 October 2022 (UTC)
 * @Michael D. Turnbull, @ANLgrad So it's not View History and then Page Views, as David notMD said, but View History, then External Tools, then Page Views. Got it, thanks!  David10244 (talk) 07:47, 16 October 2022 (UTC)
 * @Michael D. Turnbull Incredibly helpful. Thanks for always helping. I was able to get it and can see 180 watchers. ANLgrad (talk) 17:02, 17 October 2022 (UTC)

Ip block
How can i request to block an IP? Frryan404 (talk) 17:06, 17 October 2022 (UTC)


 * Hello! if you have evidence of an ip breaking the rules look at Administrator intervention against vandalism! Td<sup style="color:DeepSkyBlue">she <sup style="color:Magenta">/her 17:07, 17 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Hello, . If the issue is something other than overt vandalism, then Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents may be a better place to file the report. Cullen328 (talk) 18:12, 17 October 2022 (UTC)
 * thanks @Cullen328 forgot to link the board. Td<sup style="color:DeepSkyBlue">she <sup style="color:Magenta">/her 18:14, 17 October 2022 (UTC)

Problems at ramune
I'd appreciate if someone could help me make heads or tails of the recent edits to the article ramune by an IP editor. They're leaving sources in the edit summaries and are being somewhat aggressive, but I haven't got the time to figure out if they're correct or not.—Ineffablebookkeeper (talk) (&#123;&#123;ping&#125;&#125; me!) 12:41, 17 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Invite the IP to a discussion on the Talk page of the article, as your statement on the IP's Talk page did not resolve the dispute. The article gets hundreds of views per day and has watchers, so there should be people willng to join a discussion. David notMD (talk) 12:59, 17 October 2022 (UTC)
 * They are repeatedly asserting that the majority of the population of Hawaii is of Japanese ancestry. This is false. Only 13.6% of the residents of Hawaii are Japanese-Americans. Cullen328 (talk) 16:22, 17 October 2022 (UTC)

My bad for making typos in my haste (esp for citing in edit summaries, not WITHIN article. /I will discuss on my page/no need for talk page. but I am very irritated that he seems not to have read both literal product names nor looked at products' producers locations nor its deep influence in Hawaii before making unilateral changes, nor appropriately researched this article before imposing such. +Article entirely misses Ramune products native to Hawaii/reexported by mass Japanese migration (tourism, immigration etc--ex:"Blue...Hawaii"--I will cite, research sources throughly/add. America's Library of Congress claims:Hawaii=product of a multiethnic society in which Japanese -Americans "play a majority role"; cultural proof below.

Enough for new subsection. *I sourced my demographics claims below: sorry>

Hawaii---America's Library of Congress even states Hawaii=product of multiethnic society in which Japanese -Americans "play a majority role" --- has made its own spin, if not entirely new "JAPANESE-American" traditions (food, festivals etc as result of: 1. "Even excluding about 100,000 native Hawaiians, Asians make up 57%, over twice the percentage for Whites (26%). Honolulu is also unique in being the only major metro area in which Japanese Americans outnumber all other Asian nationalities. Honolulu's first public school and the alma mater of [Senators] Daniel Inouye and Hiram Fong, is known as "Tokyo High". https://goldsea.com/Air/Issues/Honolulu/honolulu.html 2. Bon dances/festivals, plural: https://www.hawaiianairlines.com/hawaii-stories/food-and-entertainment/bon-dance 3. Majority of currently used "Hawaiiian" food/ingredients, esp in fusion cuisines in the Lower 48=Japanese (Plate Lunch, Spam Musubi etc: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Japanese_loanwords_in_Hawaii#Food That's why private/public=government signs/websites (public facilities), esp in Honolulu, are often bilingual at MINIMUM: "43 percent of the territory’s population was of Japanese descent" yet voted for statehood: https://www.hawaiimagazine.com/hawaiis-statehood-remembered/ "Japanese immigrants [=source of 43%] formed the majority of the plantation labor force"; even its architecture/religion etc is very Japanese---National Park Service: https://www.nps.gov/articles/asian-americans-and-pacific-islanders-in-the-making-of-the-nation.html, https://byodo-in.com/

TO this day, Japan/Hawaii have VERY strong business/migration ties: Even in 1984: "Japanese Americans are represented in the state government in greater proportion than their 25 percent share of the state's population of about 1 million.

When military personnel are excluded from the count, the numbers of whites and Japanese Americans become about even. Today the governor, both U.S. senators, and 14 of the 25 state senators are of Japanese descent. Japanese companies own eight of the 12 Sheraton hotels." https://www.washingtonpost.com/archive/politics/1984/08/20/hawaiian-irony/40d998e3-e54b-4d8b-ab2b-8d9dfaef7be1/

Japan Times: "Other commonly seen Japanese influences on the island of Hawaii include: maneki neko (a waving cat ornament that is traditionally thought to bring good luck) in many shops, whether Japanese-owned or not; salted plum seed snacks, a Hawaiian reinvention of umeboshi; and other Japanese foods such as: mochi, manjū and saimin, a Japanese-Hawaiian variation on ramen or Okinawan soba." https://www.japantimes.co.jp/life/2014/04/26/travel/aloha-gozaimasu-japans-influence-hawaiian-culture/ IF Ramune weren't ALSO produced by Japanese AMERICAN companies, it'd alr have MANY culture ties to Hawaii ("ramune syrup" etc reinventions, ubiq. to Hawaiian dessert shops---again, most famous=Japanese names--"Ume flavored shaved ice.") a. https://www.hawaiimagazine.com/11-unusual-shave-ice-flavors-visitors-have-to-try-in-hawaii/ b. https://matsumotoshaveice.com/

^=ONLY "hawaii--JP Ties." _____

RE: JP/USA (=50.states) Ties: Japanese culture=HEAVILY americanized (like its Asian neighbors. source of Japan's informal or formal (K-12>higher ed "exchange," research/business/trade volume, pop culture etc) interaction---textbooks/loanwords/Constitution+Civil Rights=USA, THEN: heavily Americanized East Asia: "Under MacArthur's guidance, the Japanese government introduced sweeping social reforms and implemented economic reforms that recalled American "New Deal" of President Roosevelt.[4] In 1947, a sweeping amendment to the Meiji Constitution was passed which effectively repealed it in its entirety

...and replaced it with a new, American-written constitution": https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Occupation_of_Japan Oftentimes: Wartime interpreters were Nisei: "Japanese-American linguists translated Japan's counterattack strategy/led to Allied victories"/"served as translators and investigators in the International Military Tribunal for the Far East": https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Japanese-American_service_in_World_War_II#Military_Intelligence_Service

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Japanese-American_service_in_World_War_II#Military_Intelligence_Service

(any source can prove this, I'm too busy/writing up sourced "reports" here=alr takes hours. sorry — Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.88.52.174 (talk) 17:46, 17 October 2022 (UTC)

5. Hawaiian culture, like JAPAN's "blue Hawaii" flavored ramune/desserts has been reexported back to Japan: a. TITLE I was citing in "Ramune"'s wiki: "What is Japan’s “blue Hawaii” shaved ice, the flavor everyone knows but can’t describe?: https://soranews24.com/2022/07/28/what-is-japans-blue-hawaii-shaved-ice-the-flavor-everyone-knows-but-cant-describe/

b. CNN: "Experiencing Hawaii without leaving Japan For those who are unable to go to Hawaii, Japan offers local options. Hawaiian-themed festivals -- with hula dancers, ukulele players and Hawaiian food trucks -- are extremely popular. https://www.cnn.com/travel/article/japanese-tourism-hawaii-cmd-intl-hnk/index.html CNN:"foreign travel was heavily restricted until 1964 [due to war]/[thereafter, til today, Statistically:] one of the most popular places for the Japanese to visit https://www.cnn.com/travel/article/japanese-tourism-hawaii-cmd-intl-hnk/index.html

America's Library of Congress even states that Hawaii is the product of a multiethnic society in which Japanese -Americans "play a majority role:" "since the 1880s Japanese Hawaiians had lived in a multiethnic society in which they played a majority role: Buddhist temples sprung up on every plantation, many of which also had their own resident Buddhist priest. The midsummer holiday of obon, the festival of the souls, was celebrated throughout, and, starting in the 1880s, all work stopped on November 3 as Japanese workers cheered the birthday of Japan's emperor." https://www.loc.gov/classroom-materials/immigration/japanese/hawaii-life-in-a-plantation-society/

In conclusion: 7. America is a "proposition nation" defined not by common culture/blood, but by a shared idea that anyone can be an American--no "gatekeeping" of American food---burgers etc are all "imported" with new/native reinventions. https://www.nationalreview.com/corner/proposition-nation-john-derbyshire/ — Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.88.52.174 (talk) 18:51, 17 October 2022 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.88.52.174 (talk) 17:36, 17 October 2022 (UTC)


 * IP editor, please visit Talk:Ramune and start discussing the issues there. 199.208.172.35 (talk) 17:52, 17 October 2022 (UTC)

I've requested full-protection on Ramune to try and kerb the edit war and, since this looks to me like an attempt to hijack the article to fit a POV, I've reverted their reinstated edits. —<i style="color: #1E90FF;">Jéské Couriano</i> v^&lowbar;^v  a little blue Bori 18:55, 17 October 2022 (UTC)

Unnecessarily specified fonts in a template
I wish for this specification  to be removed from the Chset-table-header1.

The reason is, it is unnecessary to explicitly specify fonts, particularly fonts that are not cross-platform.

A compromise would be to add a class, to allow that to be annulled by users in their custom CSS.

An example of where the template is used is in that table.

I couldn't find that code to edit it. I could just find it by inspecting the element on my browser and found that:

element.style { font-family: 'Georgia Pro', Georgia, 'DejaVu Serif', Times, 'Times New Roman', FreeSerif, 'DejaVu Math TeX', 'URW Bookman L', serif; }

--Mahmudmasri (talk) 03:42, 16 October 2022 (UTC)


 * Hello, Mahmudmasri, and welcome to the Teahouse. I suggest posting your suggestion on Template talk:Chset-table-header1 (which doesn't yet exist). Since almost all the edits on that template were made by, it would be worth pinging them - but I've just done so, so they ought to see this item. ColinFine (talk) 12:00, 16 October 2022 (UTC)
 * This may be from some old version? Chset-table-header1 is not setting any fonts, it only has style="background:#F8F8F8;font-size:80%;line-height:1.5".Spitzak (talk) 22:03, 17 October 2022 (UTC)

How do i edit a wiki?
I see everyone talk about editing a wiki, but how? 2603:7080:103D:4A75:D9C4:C45D:CEF3:4FBE (talk) 19:52, 17 October 2022 (UTC)


 * Hello! Welcome to the teahouse! If you need help on how to edit visit New users and user pages.Td<sup style="color:DeepSkyBlue">she <sup style="color:Magenta">/her 19:55, 17 October 2022 (UTC)
 * FYI I think you meant to link something like Help:Getting started? The second page you linked is an essay on handling promotional user pages. Dylnuge  (Talk • Edits) 20:23, 17 October 2022 (UTC)
 * See WP:TUTORIAL. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 19:57, 17 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Although not a requirement, consider creating an account. David notMD (talk) 22:28, 17 October 2022 (UTC)

Metre or Meter
In the Wikipedia page of the Krymsky Bridge, I saw metre being used instead of meter. Should I change it or leave it alone? Castwarper (talk) 16:34, 13 October 2022 (UTC)


 * @Castwarper: You should not change the regional variety of English used in the article, per MOS:RETAIN. dudhhr talk contribs (he/they) 16:40, 13 October 2022 (UTC)
 * nvm, see Nthep's and RPI2026F1's comments dudhhr talk contribs (he/they) 21:25, 13 October 2022 (UTC)
 * @Castwarper welcome to the wonderful world of WP:ENGVAR. In this case the occasional spelling of metre should be changed to meter to be consistent with the rest of the article under MOS:RETAIN as the US spelling has been used since the article was created. Nthep (talk) 16:41, 13 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Use whichever one is more-often used. If an article is written mostly in American English but has a few metre's, convert them to meter. Vice versa, if an article is written mostly in British English, the metre's would be left, and any stray meters should instead be converted the other way. RPI2026F1 (talk) 17:45, 13 October 2022 (UTC)
 * It also depends on the context of the subject. UK-centric subjects should use UK spelling. The cider article, for example, was originally written with US spelling and remained that way for years until people started inserting UK spelling, and now it is entirely British. This makes sense because the UK produces and consumes more cider than anywhere else. ~Anachronist (talk) 18:51, 13 October 2022 (UTC)


 * Castwarper, the choice between "metre" and "meter" isn't necessarily analogous to that between, say, "colour" and "color", in that "metre" is pretty much the international standard for the English spelling: "meter" is more or less US-specific. Is this so; and if so, does it matter? This is the kind of thing better asked at the MOS talk page. Though as only a dimwitted minority of readers would fail to realize that "metre" means "meter" or vice versa, I'd have thought that this would be a non-issue. -- Hoary (talk) 22:25, 13 October 2022 (UTC)
 * "Metre" does not mean "meter". A metre is a measure of distance. A meter is a device for measuring something, typically something flowing or similar. Using the same spelling for both meanings seems dimwitted to me, when a practical, almost globally recognised alternative is available. HiLo48 (talk) 02:03, 15 October 2022 (UTC)
 * That's incorrect: metre is used much more in British English; one will see meter in American English to refer to the SI unit.Refer to the Merriam-Webster entries on meter and metre, an American English source. — Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 15:08, 15 October 2022 (UTC)
 * You seem to have agreed with me while declaring what I wrote to be incorrect. HiLo48 (talk) 21:45, 15 October 2022 (UTC)
 * I'm pointing out that the distinction in orthography isn't recognised in American English. A meter is a measure of distance in the US. — Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 00:08, 16 October 2022 (UTC)
 * @HiLo48 Using the same spelling for both meanings might SEEM dimwitted, but there are lots of words in American English that are this way.  Like bat (animal and sports equipment, and also a verb); minute (a length of time, adjective meaning small); second; fine; project; and many more.  Do you want to change American English? David10244 (talk) 08:03, 16 October 2022 (UTC)
 * I'd love too, but it's probably a lost cause. HiLo48 (talk) 08:55, 16 October 2022 (UTC)
 * @HiLo48 Do you mean "love to"? (Smile) David10244 (talk) 15:52, 16 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Would you also like to change UK usage where it is less specific than US usage? For example, does using "boot" for both an article of footwear and a storage compartment in an automobile seem dimwitted to you? Perhaps you should try to convince all UK speaker to use the more specific "trunk" for the latter. In any case, it seems inappropriate to have this discussion in the Teahouse where it may lead newer editors to think that they should violate WP:ENGVAR by changing "meter" to "metre" in articles with US spelling. CodeTalker (talk) 16:10, 16 October 2022 (UTC)
 * A regular concern is the Americans who write gas as a slang form/short-form of gasoline; I usually change this to fuel. 'Gas' is a substance that is neither solid nor liquid; anything else must be gas (I have a hard citation for this, think it's 1942).--Rocknrollmancer (talk) 22:34, 13 October 2022 (UTC)
 * @Rocknrollmancer Solid, Liquid, Gas, or Plasma.  There's a fourth choice! David10244 (talk) 01:55, 15 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Thanks,, I appreciate it; I will read further when time allows "...although not freely existing under normal conditions on Earth". I semi-trained as a welder many years ago and was aware of the technology and processes at the time (that allows the molten metal to be deposited via a plasma arc).--Rocknrollmancer (talk) 02:18, 15 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Yes, plasmas are weird. Probably like you, I learned "solid, liquid, or gas" in high school -- those are certainly the three "normal" states of matter.  I was always fascinated by "sublimation", where a solid can turn into a gas without going through a liquid phase -- like CO2 dry ice. David10244 (talk) 02:23, 15 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Not to mention things like Bose–Einstein_condensates. There is a world of fun out there, almost as confusing as regional variations of English. Elemimele (talk) 10:06, 17 October 2022 (UTC)
 * @Elemimele Wow, I had forgotten about Bose–Einstein condensates.  I'll go back to playing with dry ice, or liquid nitrogen... David10244 (talk) 01:32, 18 October 2022 (UTC)