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Styles
Hi Michael, welcome to the wiki. I notice that you have added some prenomial styles to a few articles. Just so you are aware, this is a touchy subject around here, with many people outright opposed to their inclusion in the first line of the article, rather than mentioned later on. In anycase, the prenomial stylists seem to have prevailed for the moment, but there are still a few guidlines. First, the bolded part of the title should really only be the article title, or something that might reasonably be a redirect &mdash; so don't bold Honorable, or the postnomial initials, etc. Also, simple courtesy titles like professor, or Mr. are generally not included. Also, don't put wiki links within parts of the title that are bolded. So Sir Wombat Twitworth, not Sir Wombat Twitworth. Note that Sir is a bit of a special case, as it formally becomes part of the persons name, and so does tend to be bolded but not linked. Again, welcome! Fawcett5 16:46, 17 July 2005 (UTC)

Titles
I've noticed you added the title 'Sir' to the 1st Duke of Wellington's article, which was reverted by the admin Proteus. Please note that a 'Duke' is higher in rank than a 'Knight' therefore the 'Sir' is no longer used in his title. 62.252.96.16 00:50, 27 July 2005 (UTC)

Please also note that "Sir" does not always signify a knighthood--Pakington was a baronet, not a knight. Mackensen (talk) 20:59, 6 August 2005 (UTC)

Wikipedia style
I see that you have been modifying a number of articles to add prenomials and postnomials. You should probably check out the Manual of Style, which says:


 * If possible, make the title the subject of the first sentence of the article (as opposed to putting it in the predicate). In any case, the title should appear as early as possible in the article — preferably in the first sentence.
 * The first time the title is mentioned in the article, put it in bold using three apostrophes. Here's an example: article title produces article title. You should not put links in the title.

Since "The Honourable", "PC", "MP", "BA", "CC", LLB" and so on, are not part of the article title, they should not be in bold. This is not my preference: this is part of the Wikipedia Manual of Style.

This is why so many of your previous edits have been modified. I hope that you will adhere more closely to the prefered guidelines in the future, now that you know. I hope this helps. Thanks, Ground Zero | t 21:32, 23 September 2005 (UTC)


 * Also, according to Wikipedia style, words in sub-headings, other than the first word, are not capitalized unless they would be capitalized in an ordinary sentence, so: "External links", not "External Links". Following Wikipedia style helps maintain a visually consistent encyclopedia, and reduces the workload for other editors. Thanks. Ground Zero | t 21:45, 23 September 2005 (UTC)

Order of Merit
No one is a "recipient" of the Order of Merit because it is an Order (rather self-evidently), not an award. You'd know this if you'd actually read about it. Your category is fundamentally wrong. Proteus (Talk) 17:50, 27 September 2005 (UTC)


 * Hi. I'm responding to your request at third opinion.  Just as a guess, the Category renaming seems to have been handled improperly.  However, there doesn't seem to be any obvious place to go for help with the problem.  "Third opinion" doesn't get a lot of attention.  You might want to try the admin noticeboard, but I am neither an admin nor have a perfect understanding of procedure, so that may not be appropriate.  I'm leaving the Third Opinion request up.  Hope this gets sorted out.  Jkelly 04:17, 30 September 2005 (UTC)

Parliament Biographies
Hi Micael,

Just a quick heads up that instead of adding the Political Biographies with:


 * Political Biography from the Library of Parliament

You can do it instead with the following convenient template:

Notice that the language inserted is now a little bit different, but there were some complaints about the fact that the information there is not really a biography, and it included only the persons federal political experience and not any colonial, provincial, or municipal experience. Please feel free to substitute the new template for the old language whereever you see it, just keep the ID numbers the same... Cheers, Fawcett5 17:35, 2 October 2005 (UTC)

categories and their sub-cats
Hello. just wanted to point out that the convention on wiki is to not include an article in a category where it is also in that category's sub-category. (for instance where Christopher Plummer is already catted under Category:Torontonians he need not and conventionally is not be catted under Category:People from Ontario). the idea is to keep both the length of individual cats from becoming too long and to keep the number of cats per article at a reasonable length. (my little wiki hobby is catting pages better, by the way). regards, -Mayumashu 04:05, 6 October 2005 (UTC)

Allen Bristol Aylesworth
The category Category:Historical Members of the Canadian House of Commons is in the process of being replaced by smaller and more manageable subcategories. Could you please not readd it to the articles that I'm removing it from? Thanks. Bearcat 21:25, 21 October 2005 (UTC)

Pembroke College, Oxford
As the College isn't one of its own former members, why have you added it to the former members Category? The Category page already has a link to the College's article. --Mel Etitis ( Μελ Ετητης ) 15:46, 24 October 2005 (UTC)


 * You keep re-adding this, without bothering to respond to my question, and without even giving edit summaries. Given that it's incorrect, I can only keep removing it. --Mel Etitis  ( Μελ Ετητης ) 08:49, 4 November 2005 (UTC)


 * You're quite right, they're wrong too. I've changed all of them; if you come across any others, please let me know. --Mel Etitis  ( Μελ Ετητης ) 09:54, 5 November 2005 (UTC)

But there is a link on the page (though for some reason it was in slightly the wrong place; I've moved it), just as there is on most articles about Oxford Colleges. That's precisely what I was arguing &mdash; a link on the page rather than an incorrect category. --Mel Etitis ( Μελ Ετητης ) 09:39, 6 November 2005 (UTC)

Senators
Michael, "Senator" is a job title. I do not believe that ex-Senators continue to use the title. In any event, Manual of Style (biographies) does not indicate that this sort of title should be in opening of the article. The US presidential articles, e.g., Jimmy Carter, Ronald Reagan, George H. W. Bush, do not have "President" before the names even though former presidents continue to use the title. Even George W. Bush does not have "president" even though he is still president. Regards, Ground Zero | t 17:57, 27 October 2005 (UTC)

Prince Arthur, Duke of Connaught and Strathearn
I notice that you added in the style The Most Noble to Prince Arthur, Duke of Connaught and Strathearn. Please do not add in styles. WP policy as and from August this year is that styles should never be used in articles. Instead a style box is used to define royal styles in the text. FearÉIREANN 01:21, 28 November 2005 (UTC)


 * Sure Michael. Its in WP:MOSBIO. Right now it only applies to royalty. Previously a bitter edit war had erupted over whether to use styles in royal articles. (It was one of the worst edit wars in WP history and spread over large numbers of articles.) I proposed a compromise which to my amazement won 95% agreement from all sides. Basically how it works is that styles feature in articles (keeping the styles side happy) but not at the top (keeping the anti-styles people happy). Instead a styles template is added into each article listing the diplomatic style, alternative style and spoken style used. As a result styles have been deleted by all sides from all articles on royalty and the template installed. It is now an automatic formula that is used. Where styles appear in articles they are instantly deleted by whomever finds them, and replaced by the template (an infobox). You'll see the format in the above page, the Manual of Style (biographies). I hope that clarifies matters. FearÉIREANN 15:32, 28 November 2005 (UTC)

Edward Shreyer
Hey Michael,

Can you belive it ! Shreyer is running for the NDP !!! - Jordan

Academic post-nominals
It's not Wikipedia practice. Go and look at a few articles and you'd see that quite clearly. And I don't really care what you think is advisable, it's not your own personal article. Proteus (Talk) 21:51, 18 December 2005 (UTC)

Oxbridge MA ...isn't a 'real' degree, being just a long-service award on top of a BA. So the MA subsumes the BA (you don't hold both at once I think) Bob aka Linuxlad 00:39, 5 January 2006 (UTC) (and I was quite happy to just stay with the BA thanks :-))

Category:Order of Merit recipients
I marked this cfd only because it had no parent category and it looked like it had been discarded in favor of the other category. I have removed my cfd and assume that you are working things out with User:Proteus. -- Emact 23:09, 12 January 2006 (UTC)

Sarmite Bulte
Hi Michael, it was me that removed the MP categories, sorry about that, I see they are for past and present members. Thanks for putting them back. Doesn't a person lose the title 'Honourable' however once they leave parliament? I'm pretty sure they do but can't find anything specifically stating the situation. -- Blorg 09:26, 26 January 2006 (UTC)
 * Did some more research, I see she keeps it as a member of the Privy Council. I've included that info in the article. -- Blorg 09:57, 26 January 2006 (UTC)

Categories again
You've suddenly re-added the inaccurate categories which we discussed some time ago (see above). I've removed them again; please don't re-add them. --Mel Etitis ( Μελ Ετητης ) 09:04, 17 March 2006 (UTC)

academic degrees
I don't think it is usual to include academic degrees (e.g. Ph.D.) in the first line of a biographical article. I don't know what the policy is for honorary degrees, but it is certainly not conventional for academic degrees (see, e.g., Bill Frist, Rush D. Holt, Jr., Rashid Sunyaev, Linus Pauling...) I have removed your addition to the John Kenneth Galbraith article. –Joke 17:50, 18 May 2006 (UTC)

Category:Members of the Queen's Privy Council for Canada
I've been cleaning up uncategorized articles and noticed you had removed some of my changes.

Why is this? If you know of a better place for them, please let me know. -- ProveIt (talk) 01:22, 20 May 2006 (UTC)

Category:Stanley Cup Champions
Hello, I am wondering why you changed the category I created Category:Stanley Cup champions to Category:Stanley Cup Champions. I worked rather hard for a long to to add names to that category, and now I am not even credited in the history of the page. Please respond on my talk page. thanks. Michael Drew 01:17, 25 June 2006 (UTC)
 * This category was Category:Stanley Cup Champions, I renamed it to Category:Stanley Cup champions after processing a Speedy Category Rename Request. As there were several edits to the original category, I listed attributions for the original category, including yourself, on the new talk page.  All links to the category have been updated, so the work you did in categorizing the articles still exists.  As category pages can not be moved like other pages, it is not possible to merge the edit histories on them, this the reason I posted the attributions on the talk page.  In doing so I believe I've fufiled the GFDL attribution requirements.  If you think this is a licensing violation, please let me know ASAP.  Otherwise, I hope my reply here clears things up, if not please reply back! —  xaosflux  Talk  14:20, 25 June 2006 (UTC)

Capital letters
Hey Michael, I have been noticing alot of new hockey player pages you have been creating and that is great! However, many of your articles are using captial letters incorrectly. "He" and "His" don't need a captial "H" in the middle of a sentence. You've done this on Gerry Ehman, Bill Dineen (ice hockey), and Larry Hillman among others. Also, you have failed to use commas where needed. You can see some of the corrections I've made on Steve Black. I'm just trying to make Wikipedia a better place for everyone with articles that are clearly defined and readable. Please check punctuation and spelling before submitting the final page and feel free to check out the Manual of Style. But good work and good research on the articles you've written! Thanks! --Schmackity 15:11, 25 August 2006 (UTC)

I like ice hockey but note  Category:Swedish ice hockey players  NOT People from Sweden Wiipedia is far more developed than this! and {sweden-bio-stub}Ernst Stavro Blofeld 21:42, 5 October 2006 (UTC)

Hi yes I noticed this I knew wxactly what your message would say before I read it!!! I strongly suggest then to set up a category Swedish ice hockey managers then or something. Managers can cover people who run the teams and who manage talent spotting. I'll set it. Ernst Stavro Blofeld 21:54, 5 October 2006 (UTC)

Walter "Gunzo" Humeniuk
Hey Michael Drew, found this info on Walter (sometimes Wally) and thought you could use it. Not sure why he was called "Gunzo". The first link is here with info in the about section. Also found this .pdf that has info and a award that is given out as the "Gunzo" award. It also says the "late" Walter Humeniuk, but I couldn't find a date for when he passed away. That .pdf is here, an the article is about three pages down. Also found out he was inducted into the Illinois Hockey Hall of Fame in a (long-loading) .pdf here Hope this helps! --Schmackity 14:03, 16 October 2006 (UTC)

Butch Keeling
Hi, can you please change the name of the Keeling article back to Melville "Butch" Keeling? I am well aware that Melville was his real name but he was well known by the nickname Butch. I have spoken about him with his sister (who is still alive) and she confirms that. Also, if you look at his gravestone (a picture of it is accessible through the sixth reference link on the Keeling page) you will see that even there he is listed as Melville "Butch" Keeling. Thank you in advance for taking care of this.JonJax 21:42, 16 January 2007 (UTC)


 * Yes, I think it would be an adequate move. With Melville Keeling and Butch Keeling as redirects, have the article as Melville "Butch" Keeling.  DMighton 08:03, 18 January 2007 (UTC)

Billy Bell
Oops. You're right. I put Jean Beliveau's stats with Billy Bell's name. Beliveau is right above Bell in the list of retired players in the NHL Guide and Record Book. I'll go ahead and change it. Bigdottawa 04:23, 23 January 2007 (UTC)

Charles Sylvestre?
Hello Michael Drew. I am wondering why Father Charles Sylvestre would be listed with the article on Deaths in 2007. What is the criteria for adding people like him, i.e., people who did very bad things and went to jail (in this case sentenced to serve three years). I don't disagree with adding him to the Deaths article, but I just wonder why he qualifies. Perhaps in this case, you listed him with the Deaths just because of his notoriety. Here's part of my confusion: recently, a Death listing for Jennifer Strange, the lady who died last week of water poisoning as a result of a radio contest, was deleted and then re-added from the Deaths article; there was confusion whether she was considered a worthy listing. How do we know whether someone should be listed or not? Que-Can 17:59, 24 January 2007 (UTC)

2002 Stanley Cup Engravings
Hey Micheal Drew, first off I found info about Bill Tibbs from your last question. Here is his info on Hockey Database. Looks like he was a backup goalie to Sawchuck and maybe just called up for a game or two. Also found this: ''In the team-by-team sections, there is a one- or two-sentence explanation of every person whose name is on the Stanley Cup. The 2001-2002 Detroit Red Wings included Nancy Beard's name. She was a secretary in the team's offices.'' at the end of an article here about Nancy Beard.

As for your question about the engraving on the cup, I found this site with "Cup-winning rosters" but I think this might just be people on the ice when they won. I'm still looking for a picture of the 2001-02 Detroit Red Wings engraving on the cup as I'm sure there are more people than those listed on the site I gave you. Let me know if there are any other ways I can help! --Schmackity 15:18, 6 February 2007 (UTC)

HHOF members
Hey, thanks for your help and cleanup of my recent HHOF member articles. I just created an article for Al Leader and was a bit frustrated trying to find information about his birth city in Manitoba. There seem to be articles here for everything down to the "village" level in Manitoba, but I can't find anything on Barnsley, Manitoba. Know anything about it? --Mus Musculus 15:59, 21 March 2007 (UTC)


 * Yes, I will try to remember to add articles to the New Articles section. This is the first WikiProject I've contributed to that has that feature, so I'm still getting used to it.  If I have a specialty, it is probably the history of fighting and enforcers in hockey.  I have read a lot about the subject.  Other than that, I just look up information on whatever I need and I am good at finding citations.  Mus musculus is the scientific name for a house mouse - it was more or less a random anonymous name choice. --Mus Musculus 20:09, 21 March 2007 (UTC)

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re: Keeping Track of edits
Hey There,

Just wondering is there a way of keeping track of the number of edits that you make on wikipedia ? I haven't kept track of my edits but I'd like to start and I notice that on your userpage you say that you've passed 18 K edits, so if you know how that's done could you please let me know.

Thanks, Michael Drew 23:32, 22 April 2007 (UTC)


 * I used Flcelloguy's Tool. I believe it's still working. (It's been a while since I counted.) --Fang Aili talk 14:27, 23 April 2007 (UTC)
 * I used Flcelloguy's Tool. I believe it's still working. (It's been a while since I counted.) --Fang Aili talk 14:27, 23 April 2007 (UTC)

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 * Hello. I'm not the contributor who recognize the concerns here, but an administrator investigating its listing at the copyright problems board. You should have been but were not advised at the time it was tagged. My investigation seems to confirm these concerns, as internet archives verify that their publication long predates ours and text is taken verbatim from that source. This material will need to be revised or removed unless permission can be verified through one of the processes above. I will leave the matter another few days in case you would like to work on a revision in the temporary space provided. In the meantime, I will watchlist your talk page in case you would like to discuss the situation. Thank you. --Moonriddengirl (talk) 13:43, 2 December 2008 (UTC)

December 2008
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 * Looking through your contributions subsequent to the investigation above, I have discovered another 43 articles that include enough material from external sources to represent a serious copyright concern. Rather than last all of them here, I will simply point you to today's copyright problems listing, here. They begin with my relisting of the article mentioned above and continue through to David McNab. I have also identified several articles where infringement has already been cleaned by other contributors and located several that I felt I could clean on the spot. Given the magnitude of this matter, I am going to invite assistance in addressing these articles from the related Wikiproject and also at the Administrator's Noticeboard. When you were questioned here about your duplication of material, you claimed that you had believed the material in public domain. This does not explain why you continued duplicating text from that and other sites after the situation was pointed out to you; as a single example, you created this article, copying from that site, mere weeks after the above exchange. As the template above advises, Wikipedia cannot utilize copyright text from other sources. --Moonriddengirl (talk) 17:19, 2 December 2008 (UTC)


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Honorifics
Hi, per Honorifics please don't add honorifics to the beginning of an article. Thanks  Phoe  talk  14:39, 30 April 2009 (UTC)


 * Hi again, please note that there are also other categories for privy counsellors. Category:Members of the Privy Council of Great Britain is used before 1801, Category:Members of the Privy Council of England and Category:Members of the Privy Council of Scotland before 1707. There is even Category:Members of the Privy Council of Ireland, which members by the way have the postnominal PC (Ire). The crucial factor for the classification is the year of his/her invention. Regards  Phoe  talk  10:04, 2 May 2009 (UTC)


 * Originally a person's membership to a privy council was intended only for the reign of the sovereign, who had made the appointment, however by convention it was rather for the person's lifetime (a following sovereign was considered to have declared a reappointment) and the actually end of a membership came only by resignation, expulsion or of course death.
 * The Acts of Union 1707 united the Privy Councils of England and Scotland and consequently their former members sat together in the new formed Privy Council of Great Britain. While with the Act of Union 1801 all members of the latter privy council became automatically members of the succeeding Privy Council of the United Kingdom (it was rather a change of the name, then of the institution itself), the Privy Council of Ireland however ceased not to exist and is today still extant.
 * If your question aims whether a person, who sat first in the Privy Council of Great Britain and afterwards in that of the United Kingdom, should also be sorted in both categories, then I would say no. For a better overview in the categories and to ensure a consistency with the lists at Wikipedia, I think we should only take the date of his/her appointment into account.
 * I hope I have expressed me not too intricately and this could give you an answer.  Phoe  talk  13:31, 3 May 2009 (UTC)

Glenys Kinnock
Hello

I'm not sure why you've added the letters 'PC' after the name of Glenys Kinnock. She is not, as far as I am aware, a member of the Privy Council, and nor do I see any reason why she ought to become one. According to the Full List of Cabinet Members she is not a member of the Cabinet and will not attend Cabinet meetings. Technically, as the wife of a Baron, she is The Rt Hon The Baroness Kinnock (although she does not use her title), and she will now be elevated to the peerage in her own right (and presumably will use her new title). However, her style of Rt Hon is derived from her being a peeress, not from being a Privy Counsellor. Do you know something that I don't?

Best wishes, --Oxonian2006 (talk) 23:08, 5 June 2009 (UTC)

Digby Jones, Baron Jones of Birmingham
I am similarly confused about Digby Jones, Baron Jones of Birmingham. The webpage Her Majesty's Government says that Her Majesty had signified her intention of conferring a peerage on Digby Jones, but he does not appear in the list of those whom she approved to be sworn of the Privy Council. I do not believe that he attended Cabinet, so again I can't see why he would have become a Privy Counsellor. Of course, I appreciate that anybody can be appointed a Privy Counsellor, but it seems unlikely that the honour would have been conferred on Digby Jones.--Oxonian2006 (talk) 23:18, 5 June 2009 (UTC)

More "Privy Counsellors"
Are you sure that Mervyn Davies, Baron Davies of Abersoch is a Privy Counsellor?

How about Gareth Thomas? You have added the style The Rt Hon, proper to a Privy Counsellor, and placed him in the PC category, yet I don't think he is a PC. See HM Government, where he is called 'Mr Gareth Thomas MP', not 'The Rt Hon Gareth Thomas MP'. Finally, Gareth Thomas MP.

--Oxonian2006 (talk) 23:40, 5 June 2009 (UTC)

You deleted all my messages
Dear Michael Drew

I hope you don't consider it very rude of me, but I am reverting your deletion of all my messages that I posted here yesterday. I was drawing your attention to the fact that you appear to have introduced a number of rather important errors into several articles. You have not responded to my observations and you have not made any amendements to the articles in question. You cannot simply go around Wikipedia making what appear to be mistakes and then try to deny that somebody has brought the fact to your attention. I was wondering whether you might have been able to draw my attention to sources of which I was ignorant which might have demonstrated that you had in fact been right to make the changes that you made. If there are no such sources I should like to arrive at a consensus before reverting your edits. I also thought it wise to bring these apparent errors to your attention as you appear to have been under the misapprehension that all members of HM Government in the UK are automatically appointed Privy Counsellors. Your approach to criticism is not constructive.--Oxonian2006 (talk) 12:26, 6 June 2009 (UTC)

British Queens Counsel
I am not sure why you have added the above category to an article that alreay had the category "Queen's Counsel 1597-1800", which should be a subcategory of the other. It is customary not to place articles both in a parent category and its subcategory, as it clutters up the parent. Peterkingiron (talk) 18:56, 29 October 2009 (UTC)

Honorary Degrees section
Hi, in articles, especially in biographies we should avoid lists and instead favour prose, so please be cautious when listifying text (see also Embedded list). Such an edit is rather counterproductive. Best wishes Phoe   talk   00:10, 6 November 2009 (UTC)

Privy Council appointments
The people announced on the dissolution honours list are not yet privy counsellors. For the moment, it has been announced that the Queen has "approve[d] that the undermentioned be sworn of Her Majesty’s most honourable Privy Council". Once they are actually appointed, then we can add it to the articles. -Rrius (talk) 22:33, 29 May 2010 (UTC)

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Ted Opitz
Please don't add unsourced bullet-lists of honours and awards to MPs' articles. Any award or honour he's received that's worth mentioning in our article at all will have a proper reliable source out there for it (i.e. not just his own website), and any such section should be written in complete sentences and paragraphs rather than as bullet points. Thanks. Bearcat (talk) 20:25, 23 May 2011 (UTC)
 * Again: what you want to add requires real prose (i.e. full sentences arranged in full paragraphs) and real reliable sources (i.e. not his own website). An unsourced or badly-sourced list arranged in bullet points is simply not acceptable — if it's worth mentioning at all, then it's worth doing it properly. And, in fact, not all of the awards in question are notable enough to even be worth mentioning in the first place. Bearcat (talk) 00:27, 24 May 2011 (UTC)
 * No, the party's website is not a valid reliable source in lieu of his own, as it's not a media outlet that's independent of him. And neither is an article on nowpublic.com, which is a crowdsourced "anybody can post absolutely anything they want" sort of news site that isn't subject to the kind of editorial oversight necessary for a source to be considered reliable for our purposes. (And furthermore, Opitz figures directly in almost every single story that the writer of your link has ever posted to nowpublic at all, so from our neutral point of view perspective here, I have to work under the assumption that he or she was a campaign volunteer.)
 * An article in The Globe and Mail, the Toronto Star or the Toronto Sun, or on the CBC News website, would be a valid source; a source published by anybody who has a vested interest in the way Opitz is presented to the voting public, such as his own campaign office or the party, is not. And I should point out, as well, that the fact that you most likely copied and pasted the list of awards directly from the nowpublic.com article (it was worded identically, right down to the inclusion of unnecessarily redundant verbs) means that you also need to familiarize yourself with our copyright policy; you can't copy and paste any text into Wikipedia directly from another site unless we have express written permission to use it.
 * And finally, some of the awards simply aren't notable enough to be worth mentioning here at all — and that's another reason why we can't source such things to the party website, because the party isn't working with the same standards of "the award has sufficient notability to merit mention here" as we do. They have a vested interest in presenting his credentials in the best possible light, while we have a responsibility not to pretend that somebody giving him a "thank you for helping to organize World Youth Day" certificate is actually important enough to be worth mentioning in an encyclopedia (though if you can properly source a sentence or two about what he actually did on behalf of World Youth Day, that is something that would be worth mentioning.)
 * And the simple fact is that Wikipedia is an encyclopedia. We don't need a policy to dictate that our articles need to be written primarily in proper English prose — it's inherent in the fact that we're an encyclopedia. But if you really do need a policy to dictate this to you, then do feel free to peruse our Manual of Style at your leisure. Bearcat (talk) 06:28, 24 May 2011 (UTC)

Charles, Prince of Wales
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List of honorary citizens of Split
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Freedoms – RAF stations
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Too many flags, too much bolding
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Royal Household Long and Faithful Service Medal
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Sir Michael Oswald's service medal
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Thanks for deleting what I wrote about the freedom for JVT - I placed it NOT into awards as it is not yet ceremonialised.--Rocknrollmancer (talk) 17:54, 3 November 2021 (UTC)
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Thanks for additions there. I think the information would be better as prose than as a table. John (talk) 20:46, 18 September 2022 (UTC)


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