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St Michael and St George Cathedral
Regarding - the St Michael and St George Cathedral - if you scroll down to Bells -> History, you'll notice the same sentence twice. So I reverted your revert, mkay?

Koos Kombuis
Hey Wayne, sorry for the misunderstanding, I was using the Fokofpolisiekar Discography as an example of a Discography, which didn't use the italics. But after looking at other examples you are definitely correct about the italics. I fixed up both articles.

I have never before today heard of Write the article first, but thanks for the link, i've read it and will keep it in mind going forward. I have cleaned up the Koos Kombuis Discography and will re link them after finishing up the pages.

Thanks Johanvanl (talk) 20:58, 24 April 2016 (UTC)

PJS v News Group Newspapers
I suggest you self-revert this edit and join the talkpage discussion instead. Also, take a look at WP:BLPSOURCES. The National Enquirer is not a reliable source... AusLondonder (talk) 22:12, 5 May 2016 (UTC)

I am wondering why
you removed a large chunk of the Frederick Hart (sculptor) article? einar aka Carptrash (talk) 18:15, 9 May 2016 (UTC)
 * I don't believe I deleted anything, I merely consolidated duplicated information. Wayne Jayes (talk) 20:45, 9 May 2016 (UTC)
 * Okay. thanks. Carptrash (talk) 00:14, 10 May 2016 (UTC)

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| Guardian article I thought I would share this with you in case you hadn't seen it. ;-) No, I have no intention:  but it could lead to an interesting themed wikimeetup --ClemRutter (talk) 19:30, 29 June 2016 (UTC)
 * Thanks for sharing, I had in fact seen it, and wished Jacob Zuma could have made the same kind of mistake. Wayne Jayes (talk) 19:42, 29 June 2016 (UTC)

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Removing citations containing dead links
There are dozens of archival services besides Wayback. Also, the article likely can be found in commercial databases like ProQuest etc.. and even if not, the source is just offline in hardcopy form, which is still a valid cite. -- Green  C  14:53, 30 July 2016 (UTC)
 * User:Green Cardamom None of the archive services which I have access to (Google cache, archive.org, archive.is or coral web cache return a viable page, all return a some variation of a 404 error. All wikipedia references have to be verifiable, these web citations are not verifiable.  I suggest you change them to refer to specific pages of the specific paper magazines (as I don't have them) and then re insert them in the article. They are quite useless at present. Wayne Jayes (talk) 16:02, 30 July 2016 (UTC)
 * Of course they are verifiable. Did you try WP:REX? Your local library? ProQuest? It's just a magazine article you don't need page numbers. -- Green  C  16:24, 30 July 2016 (UTC)
 * Never mind I see there is no information on article title so you're right there is no way to track it down without that. -- Green  C  16:33, 30 July 2016 (UTC)

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Thanks for starting the article. I'd thought about it, but was unsure as to her notability in WP terms - we'll see if others question it. Have you checked out the sources I added at the "So Long Marianne" page? Ghmyrtle (talk) 14:12, 14 August 2016 (UTC)

PS: Given that you apparently accept that the other editor's comments are, in fact, accurate, perhaps you should review your comments in the light of WP:BITE. Ghmyrtle (talk) 22:40, 16 August 2016 (UTC)
 * User:Ghmyrtle, thanks for the comment User:Marianne727 and i have exchanged emails, and I have apologised for WP:BITE. Wayne Jayes (talk) 07:23, 17 August 2016 (UTC)
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Hi Waynejayes. I've restored the Google Map to Buffalo Range Airport and added a few other things. Maps have much more information than just coordinates. Thanks. Cptmrmcmillan (talk) 09:34, 23 August 2016 (UTC)

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Hi Waynejayes! Could you please explain your changes to the system of referencing at Helen-Ann Hartley? I see from your contributions that you have also been changing to sfn on some pages (such as Rolf Gardiner). What's the reasoning behind that too? Gaia Octavia Agrippa Talk 13:00, 10 November 2017 (UTC)
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 * 1) Provided you put ref=harv in the cite template wikipedia creates a hyperlink from the sfn to the cite templates which make checking references very easy.
 * 2) sfn takes up less space in the body of the article and makes it much easier to read when editing the source text of the article.
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I do try to avoid changing the referencing style where there is an existing consistent referencing system in an article, where there are mixed referencing styles, wikipedia policy does allow the changing of the mixed styles to a consistent style.Wayne Jayes (talk) 13:15, 10 November 2017 (UTC)


 * Thanks for the reply. Using the example of Helen-Ann Hartley, you have changed an established reference style by moving the full references out of the main text. You may think the style you've introduced is better, but that is your personal preference. If you find an article's references are a mess of different styles or bare urls, feel free (and please do) clean them up to your preferred style. However, as per WP:CITEVAR: "Editors should not attempt to change an article's established citation style merely on the grounds of personal preference". Given your explanation, and your edits to some articles, this appears to be what you have been doing. As for ease of editing, that relies on someone understanding sfn templates which is not something that comes as default when editing Wikipedia. If you are annoyed by having the full references in the main text, can I suggest that you have a look at turning on the syntax highlighter where is found on the preferences page under Gadgets. I use this and find it helpful. As for the changes to references, I shall be reverting your changes to Helen-Ann Hartley, can I suggest you do the same to the other articles you have altered. Thank you for adding the publication to her article. Gaia Octavia Agrippa Talk  17:57, 10 November 2017 (UTC)

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 * User:Gaia Octavia Agrippa, the Anglican Shrine of Our Lady of Walsingham article is very poorly sourced. I most definitely did not delete the links simply because they were not working, but because they were not working AND that they were not independent of the article. Wayne Jayes (talk) 21:04, 25 November 2017 (UTC)
 * I see now; I couldn't understand your edit summary. While preferable, it is not required to use independent sources for simple facts as per WP:SELFSOURCE. The references you removed were supporting the names and years of the various priest administrators, which is acceptable. I didn't add them, an ip did, though I should have cleaned the up at the time. Gaia Octavia Agrippa Talk 21:17, 25 November 2017 (UTC)

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CrawfordSchools North Coast
Good day.

I work for a digital company and our client is CrawfordSchools. I see that you are the person editing the page https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crawford_College,_North_Coast. Please understand that my client is not happy with your representation of their brand name. The school is not called "Crawford College, North Coast" as it also has Preparatory and pre-primary. The school is simply called CrawfordSchools North Coast. This Wikipedia page is affecting our digital efforts mainly Google my business. We kindly request that you change the pages name to the correct one which is "CrawfordSchools North Coast".

Thank you in advanced +27 (0) 31 536 3419 — Preceding unsigned comment added by Moringa tea (talk • contribs) 06:32, 3 June 2019 (UTC)
 * Moringa tea, First of all, I do not take kindly to the implied threat in your words, "Please understand that my client is not happy with your representation of their brand name". The wikidedia page in question is not the property of AdvTech and wikipedia editors, following the WP:Five pillars will continue to edit the page as they see fit.


 * Secondly please see WP:PROMOTION and WP:PAID, you appear to be in violation of wikipedia's terms of use as you have not disclosed you are earning a fee for editing the wikipedia page about Crawford College, North Coast.


 * Finally please see WP:COMMONNAME, the school is commonly known as Crawford College North Coast, and unless and until it is commonly known by some other name that is how it will be referred on wikipedia. Furthermore,I direct you to the company's own web page ""A warm welcome from Crawford College North Coast. We strive to nurture our students to become well-rounded, confident people. Our campus located in the sugarcane belt along the Dolphin Coast of KwaZulu-Natal provides a caring, friendly and inclusive environment in which we celebrate all our students’ achievements.""


 * Wayne Jayes (talk) 07:02, 3 June 2019 (UTC)

I apologise if my tone seemed threatening, I dd not mean to come across as a brut. but Crawford college North Coast is not the commonly known name and the page you have cited https://www.crawfordschools.co.za/north-coast-college and the main page for the school is actually https://www.crawfordschools.co.za/our-schools#NorthCoast and under that, there is also https://www.crawfordschools.co.za/north-coast-pre-primary and https://www.crawfordschools.co.za/north-coast-preparatory. Please give me a call or let me call you so I can discuss this with you as it is affecting the brand, with the understanding that we don't own Wikipedia this can help both of us come to a resolution

+27 (0) 31 536 3419 — Preceding unsigned comment added by Moringa tea (talk • contribs) 07:19, 3 June 2019 (UTC)

The other thing, I am not getting paid to edit the page, hence I am asking you to make the changes. I am an SEO manager, I get paid to optimise their website and their Google my business and I found that your page is affecting the job I am doing on Google my business. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Moringa tea (talk • contribs) 07:27, 3 June 2019 (UTC)

South African Class 5E1, Series 2
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Arminianism
Thank you for your nice work done on the references.

1. I saw that you have created note (with letters). I think it would be more readable without those notes, because the reader has to go now in 3 different points to understand the source.

2. In some cases, it would be more understandable to split the notes. For example, when I translated this article in French, I separated your current note "f" like that :

They formalized their views in "The Opinion of the Remonstrants" (1618), and later in the The Arminian Confession (1621).

3. Here is the best full ref for the note e : Telikalive (talk) 21:00, 19 August 2019 (UTC)
 * Telikalive Thank you for your comments and suggestions I will implement them as best I can. Wayne Jayes (talk) 06:16, 20 August 2019 (UTC)

I will begin to do it.Telikalive (talk) 17:31, 23 August 2019 (UTC)
 * Thank you!! Wayne Jayes (talk) 15:09, 24 August 2019 (UTC)
 * Hi Wayne,
 * I noticed that you have used sfn in several articles dealing with arminianism. Thank you so much for your work! Personally, I identified articles linked with arminianisme here : Category_talk:Arminian_Christians, Category:Arminian_denominations, Category:Arminian_Christians. Still most of those articles need to be sourced regarding arminianism. Nevertheless among them are several articles that are quite sourced and those one can be "sfned". I don't know if you realize it but your work simplify the translation in other languages, since English articles are generally a reference for that business... On my side, I translate in French (300 Million of speakers). Thanks again. ---Telikalive (talk) 09:57, 7 October 2019 (UTC)
 * Hello Actually, I really think that John Wesley requires your sfn talented skills !
 * Besides I just want to let you know that I proposed "Arminianism" to be part of the vital articles of Wikipedia, Wikipedia_talk:Vital_articles/Level/4, if you would like to vote... Regards. ---Telikalive (talk) 19:01, 29 November 2019 (UTC)

Kearsney College page
Hi Wayne,

I see you edit the Kearsney College page too. Any ideas of why, Jason Temlett (2010) is considered a notable person ?

Thanks
 * User:Dmcemaverick I have no idea, after a few weeks if no one has provided a citation we can just delete his name. Wayne Jayes (talk) 04:05, 31 August 2019 (UTC)

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Colony of Natal
I'd just like to draw your attention to this edit from 2017, where you removed the 1911 in-text attributions and replaced them with inline citations. When text is copied from public domain sources, it needs to be attributed; see Plagiarism for details. Thanks. Wikiacc (¶) 23:51, 20 November 2019 (UTC)
 * I see very little (if any) text copied from the article into the wikipedia article, and so simple citations are sufficient. If whole chunks of text from the public domain source was copied into wikipedia article then you are correct it should be fully attribute, but I don't see that that is he case. Wayne Jayes (talk) 10:27, 21 November 2019 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the reply – if you check the diff again, you can see the paragraphs in question (the ones where "eb1911-text" was changed to "eb1911-cite"). They were copied directly, in edits like this one, and then very lightly edited. Compare the wording of those paragraphs to 1911 Encyclopædia Britannica/Natal – it's barely changed. Wikiacc (¶) 20:59, 21 November 2019 (UTC)

Hendrik Vermooten moved to draftspace
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Proposed deletion of Charles May (bishop)


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Greetings from England
Hi Wayne, I went away for the week-end and came back to find User:War had proposed deletion of 43 articles. Obviously, you and I both know an Anglican bishop is notable by his office, and in Anglicanism's biggest Church, 14 primates! We only have 6 in the British Isles! So on this occasion, peace may have been made with war! Not so long ago, I found my young nephew watching a somewhat regrettable programme called Family Guy. I looked it up on Wikipedia, which I definitely think should have an article on such a popular programme. However, every episode has an article. To me an encyclopaedia which allows an article on one episode of a smutty cartoon but deletes articles on Anglican bishops is something else, a compendium, no different really from facebook. Ah well, live and let live, hope you and yours are all well, Matthew Bashereyre (talk) 13:51, 17 August 2020 (UTC)

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Missing cite in Anglican Church of Kenya
The article cites "Sabar-Friedman 1995" but no such source is listed in bibliography. Can you please add? Or is it a typo and should be "Sabar-Friedman 1994"? Also, suggest installing a script to highlight such errors in the future. All you need to do is copy and paste importScript('User:Svick/HarvErrors.js'); // Backlink: User:Svick/HarvErrors.js to your common.js page. Thanks, Renata (talk) 19:11, 3 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Thank you for pointing out the errorRenata, I fixed it Wayne Jayes (talk) 15:05, 4 October 2020 (UTC)

Reference style
Hello Waynejayes,

I see you edited various articles to use a different reference style recently (e.g. ). Not to be too harsh here, I realize you're trying to help out, but reference style isn't really something to "fix". If you're a major editor on an article, go nuts, but please don't do "drive-by" changing of reference styles. There's many (most?) editors who prefer standard, boring, in-line citations rather than "all citations at the end". I consider the in-line style easier to maintain and follow, since the reference is just right there, and future reference additions don't need to be added "twice" (once at the end, once in a summary form). Again, feel free to use this in articles you edit a like if you're a major editor off your own preference, but I don't think this kind of invisible-to-readers change is useful if you're not also an editor of the article, since it's a change that matters for the editors of the article. SnowFire (talk) 15:38, 24 October 2020 (UTC)

Proposed deletion of Garlandale Secondary School


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ref = harv
As a note, you do not need to set harv in citation templates any longer for automatic linking from a shortened footnote template. If you are doing so based on a template page, please let me know what that page is so it can be removed. Thanks! Izno (talk) 14:41, 25 April 2021 (UTC)
 * thank you I did know that, I'm using Wikipedia citation tool for Google Books to create the citations, I don't remember to remove the ref = harv I'd be grateful if you could amend the page that creates the citation. Many thanks Wayne Jayes (talk) 15:42, 25 April 2021 (UTC)
 * That page is not accessible or amendable by onwiki administrators. You can use RefToolbar/2.0 to do the same thing in the 2010 wikitext editor (enabled by default, look for the Cite button) by using the autofill functions. Izno (talk) 16:34, 25 April 2021 (UTC)
 * Thanks, I'll check it out. Wayne Jayes (talk) 16:54, 25 April 2021 (UTC)

Thandokhulu Secondary School
Please continue your 2014 stub.Xx236 (talk) 10:33, 29 April 2021 (UTC)

Leonard Fisher
I'm glad you drew my attention to this bishop, and I have enjoyed writing him up a wee bit more fully. I can't offhand think of any other pair of brothers who were Anglican bishops.  Tim riley  talk   22:09, 13 July 2021 (UTC)

Gonville ffrench-Beytagh
Hi, in the article Gonville ffrench-Beytagh you include a reference to "Swanepoel 2007", page 142. Unfortunately there is no work "Swanepoel 2007" listed. It would be great if you could look up the work you cited and add it to the article. Thanks, DuncanHill (talk) 21:57, 2 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Thank you User:DuncanHill for bring this to my attention. Done! Wayne Jayes (talk) 13:42, 3 October 2021 (UTC)
 * That's great, thank you. Interesting man. DuncanHill (talk) 15:13, 3 October 2021 (UTC)

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