User talk:UtherSRG/Archive 7

Move
Hello. I would like to kindly request you to undo this move. The request was made by a troll and sockpuppeteer currently banned in his home wiki, and contradicts RS (online encyclopedia, National Archives, etc). JMagalhães (talk) 10:35, 28 February 2023 (UTC)


 * I can. Please make a request at WP:RM/TR, which is where the previous move was requested. Please file it in the "Request to revert undiscussed moves". I or another page mover will handle it in due time. - UtherSRG (talk) 12:17, 28 February 2023 (UTC)
 * Done. Thank you. JMagalhães (talk) 12:49, 28 February 2023 (UTC)

Definitions of Palestinian
Hey, UtherSRG,

It looks like you were doing some page moves today but this page is a circular redirect, redirected to itself. Should it be pointing to a different target article or not be a redirect at all? Thanks for any clarification you can provide. Liz Read! Talk! 17:27, 28 February 2023 (UTC)


 * Whoops! Yup, got distracted. I'll fix it up. - UtherSRG (talk) 17:29, 28 February 2023 (UTC)

Thank you!
Hello, UtherSRG,

I hope you are well. I just wanted to stop by and give you a thanks for all of the reversions of Kainaaz1970's bad page moves that you did. Frequently, when well-intentioned page movers revert a bad page move, they don't leave behind a redirect which can cause all sorts of problems. Wikipedia's bots are very alert and when there is a page move, whether bad or good, within minutes they have changed all of the existing redirects for that article to point to its new title. Even when a bad page move is quickly reverted, if there is no redirect left behind, we are left with a lot of valid redirects which are now broken and have to be fixed manually or, worse, they can simply be deleted by a bot. When a redirect is left after a page move, then the bots can fix the double redirects and so the old, valid redirects now point once again to the original, restored target page. This is especially important with older or very popular articles that might have a lot of redirects.

I'm not sure why some eager page movers don't like to leave a redirect behind after a page move but it seeems like I'm constantly leaving notes asking them to check "What links here" when deciding whether or not to leave a redirect. In your case, I didn't have to because you left redirects! So, thank you! If the bad page title is truly atrocious or is vandalism, it can always be deleted later, after the existing redirects have been retargeted. But, again, thanks, now there will be fewer pages showing up on our Broken Redirects list!. Liz Read! Talk! 21:18, 1 March 2023 (UTC)


 * Aw! Thanks! :) That felt good. So yeah, I normally "forget" to unclick the redirect button when I do a move. Most of the time, I want a redirect left behind for exactly the reasons you stated. I guess it's a user preference setting? I probably caught a bit of trouble early in my Wikipedia career, set the preference, and forgot about it. So yeah, redirects are cheap, and better to have one that's not needed, than to have something broken that's hard to fix. - UtherSRG (talk) 22:33, 1 March 2023 (UTC)

Thank you for your help on Wolf Maps; Requesting a bit more
Good morning,

Thank you for the advice on how to request a Wolf Map update on the Mexican Wolf page. I placed a request on the Graphics Lab page. Since it's my first time, I was wondering if you'd be willing to take a look at the request to make sure I filled it out properly?

Thank you again! Bbreslau (talk) 07:26, 2 March 2023 (UTC)


 * It's.... ok. Look at the Nutria range map section and the next few that follow. Much simpler, they show the current map, etc. If you used hte "New request" link at the top of the page, it provided the template format to edit and fill in. Also note that the Nutria etc range map requests have been there for almost two weeks, so don't worry, it takes time. Remember, there is no deadline and they are volunteers just as you and I are. If they have a problem with the format of your request, they'll eventually let you know. - UtherSRG (talk) 12:04, 2 March 2023 (UTC)
 * Great, much appreciated!
 * Best regards Bbreslau (talk) 13:36, 2 March 2023 (UTC)

UUA report edit summary removed; am I good?
Hi, just wanted to clarify if I did something wrong in my UUA report (diff), when reporting a user with a very offensive Spanish userid. I can no longer view the report, and the summary field in the history now reads edit summary removed (revdel'ed, I presume). I can't remember what my edit summary was, but probably I placed the username there; was that wrong? You appear to have cleared it in this edit, if I'm reading the history correctly, which also appears struck out. For future reference, what should I place in the edit summary, if not the username? Thanks, Mathglot (talk) 23:37, 1 March 2023 (UTC)


 * Yeah, I can't see it either. I recall when I cleared it that the report was only partially formed. When I report to UAA, I use WP:Twinkle and don't think about what to put in the summary, though it does appear that including the username is standard. shrugs - UtherSRG (talk) 23:47, 1 March 2023 (UTC)
 * Hm, thanks; I kind of assumed you did the revdel, as it was the last edit before it disappeared. Do you know how to search a log, to see if that will help figure out who did it, so I can ask them if I need to do something different next time? Mathglot (talk) 01:57, 2 March 2023 (UTC)
 * It looks like did the revdel. - UtherSRG (talk) 11:55, 2 March 2023 (UTC)
 * I didn't do this, it's been fully suppressed by someone from the oversight team which I'm not a part of. But Mathglot you did nothing wrong, UAA reports with highly offensive usernames need to be revdelled anyway to remove the revision text, removing the edit summary just requires ticking an extra box on the form. – filelakeshoe (t / c) 🐱 12:08, 2 March 2023 (UTC)
 * , thanks for the explanation, and UtherSRG, thanks for putting up with this and sorry for the bother on your Talk page. Happy editing! Mathglot (talk) 18:07, 2 March 2023 (UTC)
 * No worries! :) - UtherSRG (talk) 18:32, 2 March 2023 (UTC)

double redirect
Hi. I hope you are doing well. A few hours ago, you moved admin-protected templates. Currently, Template:Br list Template:Br entries needs to be fixed. —usernamekiran (talk) 21:12, 2 March 2023 (UTC)


 * Thanks! I forgot the bots can't do the admin protected 2x redirs. - UtherSRG (talk) 22:00, 2 March 2023 (UTC)
 * thanks to you too, and sorry for making so many many minor changes to my previous message. You must have gotten three notifications. —usernamekiran (talk) 22:10, 2 March 2023 (UTC)
 * No worries! :) - UtherSRG (talk) 03:13, 3 March 2023 (UTC)

Please check your mail
Neerajmohanks (talk) 08:40, 5 March 2023 (UTC)


 * Moral of the story: Don't pay someone to write a wikipedia article. - UtherSRG (talk) 12:02, 5 March 2023 (UTC)

Restored drafts
Hello, UtherSRG,

I hope you are well. Lately, I've come across several draft articles that you restored that had no edits made to them so they showed up on the eligible to be deleted list (User:SDZeroBot/G13 eligible). I just made an edit to the first few but with the latest draft and I looked at it and saw that you used Rfud-helper so I'm not sure why this problem is happening as making an edit to the restored draft is an action that is supposed to be done by the script. Could you consider double-checking drafts that you restore to see how often this is happening? Thanks. Liz Read! Talk! 00:46, 10 March 2023 (UTC)


 * Can do. Sorry about that. - UtherSRG (talk) 01:44, 10 March 2023 (UTC)

Draft:Guta Moura Guedes
Hello, Uther SRG, You declined the submission of my article on 6th Feb and made some very useful comments about the state of the page at that time. I have worked hard on the voice and tone of the article since and hope that the format is now encyclopedic. There are many new published independent references and I hope I have removed all "peacock terms". I would be really grateful, if you get a spare moment, if you could let me know that I am now on the right track with my work. All the best, Richard Dehn RichardDehn (talk) 16:19, 10 March 2023 (UTC)

Ready to Be redirect
Hi there! I understand your concearn about the article not being published since the subject hasn't come out, i understand your point, however the subject has significant media coverage and is only up to 5 days of release, a lot of information is to be collected and by making the article in the first of day of its release would only worsen its quality, the article needs to be published days after since a lot of it has been confirmed and is known, it would be easier when it comes out this March 10, editors wouldn't be doing massive editing everytime and get into arguments with each other while adding information, a lot of disagreement and fight is expected to happen, let this happen before people outside WP enters to see the album information and see everything going on, it would only give a bad view to WP. Lightlylove (talk) 00:24, 6 March 2023 (UTC)


 * Indeed. So work it in draft instead. Don't go against our policies. I'm moving it to draft now. UtherSRG (talk) 00:31, 6 March 2023 (UTC)

But if you move it to draft, the article would take months to get accepted and a new one would be published right away, so having a draft of the same subject that have been published won't make any sense. Lightlylove (talk) 00:47, 6 March 2023 (UTC)


 * Drafts don't have to be reviewed. I usually prefer they do, but this is clearly there just to be within policy. Just poke me when the time is right and I'll move it back form draft. - UtherSRG (talk) 03:57, 6 March 2023 (UTC)
 * I think it would be better if you create the article now ? ArmyOnceBlinkMidzy (talk) 11:10, 11 March 2023 (UTC)

This is interesting..
Could you please take a look at Sockpuppet investigations/Jehowahyereh, Uther? Akevsharma (talk) 13:44, 11 March 2023 (UTC)


 * Looks like they will get blocked. - UtherSRG (talk) 18:22, 11 March 2023 (UTC)
 * Interestingly, it appears that certain IP addresses have participated in the voting. One of the suspected sock has made direct accusations against and indirectly  against you or me, suggesting that one of us may be behind the vote from IP. I don't know what drama is going on here. Akevsharma (talk) 00:52, 12 March 2023 (UTC)
 * @Akevsharma Where did the sock made accusation against me and you for voting via IP Address? ​​​​​​​𝐋𝐨𝐫𝐝𝐕𝐨𝐥𝐝𝐞𝐦𝐨𝐫𝐭𝟕𝟐𝟖🧙‍♂️Let's Talk !  05:06, 12 March 2023 (UTC)
 * Hey . See  Akevsharma (talk) 09:48, 12 March 2023 (UTC)
 * Hello @UtherSRG, could you please check your email? I have sent something that requires your attention. Akevsharma (talk) 09:53, 12 March 2023 (UTC)
 * This is outside my realm of expertise. You may want to post at WP:AN for better help. - UtherSRG (talk) 11:58, 12 March 2023 (UTC)

Draft:States not serving the best welfare or their people
Hello Stacey, Thanks for restoring my draft article. I will try to add to it regularly, only writing is somewhat of a sweat and blood issue to me that has to be done. Janosabel (talk) 11:33, 14 March 2023 (UTC)


 * When creating a new discussion, please click the + at the top of the page, or manually add a new section. As for your draft, it's been restored twice now. Please resume work to make it encyclopedic. Otherwise, it might get speedily deleted. - UtherSRG (talk) 11:38, 14 March 2023 (UTC)

Speedy deletion nomination of Draft:Second Battle of Las Anod


A tag has been placed on Draft:Second Battle of Las Anod requesting that it be speedily deleted from Wikipedia. This has been done for the following reason:

"unused redirect"

Under the criteria for speedy deletion, pages that meet certain criteria may be deleted at any time.

If you think this page should not be deleted for this reason, you may contest the nomination by visiting the page and clicking the button labelled "Contest this speedy deletion". This will give you the opportunity to explain why you believe the page should not be deleted. However, be aware that once a page is tagged for speedy deletion, it may be deleted without delay. Please do not remove the speedy deletion tag from the page yourself, but do not hesitate to add information in line with Wikipedia's policies and guidelines. If the page is deleted, and you wish to retrieve the deleted material for future reference or improvement, then please contact the, or if you have already done so, you can place a request here.

MathAfrique (talk) 11:04, 15 March 2023 (UTC)

Shooting stars/sh**ting stars
I recognize that i made a mistake by moving the page again after contesting and i would like to say that i am sorry and that this is not how i would like to be portrayed. I didnt see the contesting and i just assumed i made a mistake while moving. Nagol0929 (talk) 14:03, 15 March 2023 (UTC)


 * No worries on my part. - UtherSRG (talk) 14:13, 15 March 2023 (UTC)

Disambiguation link notification for March 16
An automated process has detected that when you recently edited Phoenicopterus, you added a link pointing to the disambiguation page Extant.

(Opt-out instructions.) --DPL bot (talk) 06:07, 16 March 2023 (UTC)


 * Thank you friendly little bot! - UtherSRG (talk) 11:53, 16 March 2023 (UTC)

Naveen Tewari
Hello, UtherSRG,

You needed to remove the AFD template from this page after you restored it. The link to this article should have shown up as a different color, it's pink for me. Please check the articles after restoration. Thank you! Liz Read! Talk! 04:39, 17 March 2023 (UTC)


 * Why doesn't the tool work sometimes? - UtherSRG (talk) 20:25, 17 March 2023 (UTC)

Raccoon dog
Did you move Raccoon dog back to Common raccoon dog because you felt that was a better title, or because it was not discussed? Abductive (reasoning) 20:24, 17 March 2023 (UTC)


 * Both. It's been moved before. There are two species of raccoon dog - the common and the Japanese. The move is not correct. - UtherSRG (talk) 20:25, 17 March 2023 (UTC)
 * It was moved before, true, but was not discussed. Anyway, if I can't convince editors such as yourself that Wikipedia should not (and in many cases already does not) blindly follow the MDD guys, should I bother to make an RM?  Abductive  (reasoning) 20:34, 17 March 2023 (UTC)
 * Your call. We aren't blindly following. In addition to using MDD for this name, using the name you want causes an ambiguation. There are two species called raccoon dog, so that title is better used for the genus or, as it is now, a redirect to there. - UtherSRG (talk) 20:37, 17 March 2023 (UTC)
 * Sigh. "common raccoon dog" -wikipedia has all of 81 Google hits. 57 if you remove COVID. Abductive  (reasoning) 20:45, 17 March 2023 (UTC)
 * Did you think editing Wikipedia would not be filled with disappointments? *there, there* - UtherSRG (talk) 20:48, 17 March 2023 (UTC)
 * You know, WP:Article titles, which is a policy, says to use the common name. I'm not arguing for elimination of the redirect common raccoon dog to raccoon dog, I'm talking about the title. I feel that you are bordering on abusive here, both in using your admin powers rather than suggest opening a discussion, and by your condescending tone above. Abductive  (reasoning) 21:03, 17 March 2023 (UTC)

Sara's article
Why do you think that Draft:Sara Gurpal isn't ready for mainspace? Please explain. She has acted in various Punjabi films and has been featured in many music videos also she was contestant in Bigg Boss. Also check the news sources, she passes GNG. Distrocaste (talk) 13:33, 20 March 2023 (UTC)


 * Please submit it for review. - UtherSRG (talk) 13:47, 20 March 2023 (UTC)
 * I have no issue to submit through draft review submission but i m trying to say if you feel she is notable then we should directly move into mainspace it will help to reduce the workload of new page reviewers as already thousands of articles are under review. If you feel I am saying right please let me know otherwise i will surely submit for review. Distrocaste (talk) 15:36, 20 March 2023 (UTC)
 * I would prefer that an established AFC reviewer perform a review. Please submit it for review. - UtherSRG (talk) 15:52, 20 March 2023 (UTC)

TPA
Hello. You recently blocked the account. I would like to request that their talk page access be revoked, as they after being blocked. Thanks. --Drm310 🍁 (talk) 04:59, 24 March 2023 (UTC)


 * Done! - UtherSRG (talk) 10:42, 24 March 2023 (UTC)

Contested move
A contested move on which you commented at WP:RM/TR has been transferred to Talk:Pinocchio (Soundtrack from the Netflix Film). - Station1 (talk) 23:52, 27 March 2023 (UTC)


 * Thanks! - UtherSRG (talk) 01:27, 28 March 2023 (UTC)

N4 (film)
Hello, UtherSRG,

This article, which was deleted through an AFD, was restored by you today to Draft space and then immediately moved to main space. I really hate it when editors ask for articles to be draftified and then disregard the generosity of the admin who granted their request by leapfrogging over AFC and going directly to main space. Just something to keep in mind if this editor returns to REFUND with a similar request in the future. Liz Read! Talk! 06:00, 25 March 2023 (UTC)


 * Yeah, I was aware this was a possibility. However, the article was deleted for a very narrow reason, and time marched on and that narrow reason became moot, and the editor had the sources to show that. I think the only thing I'd do differently is that in my restoration note, I'd say that the draft must go through AFC review. - UtherSRG (talk) 12:18, 25 March 2023 (UTC)
 * I know, you wanted to extend good faith and most editors, I've found, play by the rules. I just wanted to give you a head's up in case this editor returns to REFUND with a similar request. I hope you are having a good week! Liz Read! Talk! 00:21, 31 March 2023 (UTC)

Draft:Thomas Q. Seabrooke
Hello, UtherSRG,

Another fail for RFUD-helper here. No edit on this restored draft. I'm not sure what the problem is. Liz Read! Talk! 00:19, 31 March 2023 (UTC)


 * I've poked SD about it before and I don't think they've figured out what's going on. I'll poke again. :( - UtherSRG (talk) 01:57, 31 March 2023 (UTC)

External Links on Chu Tat-shing draft
I see you removed the external links section from the Chu Tat-shing draft page that I learned from you how to make. Is this because the links were redundant? I put them there as a test to see if I could make it. If redundant links are not good in such a section, what type are? What about an external Chu Tat-shing webpage? Or, is it better to put all external links as references with a description in the body text of the article? LaoHu777 (talk) 16:31, 31 March 2023 (UTC)


 * I only removed the Chinese-language wiki link. That will be done automatically when the article goes live. - UtherSRG (talk) 17:51, 31 March 2023 (UTC)
 * Good to know. And very good to have all your help. LaoHu777 (talk) 22:51, 31 March 2023 (UTC)

Shuadit/Judeo-Provençal
Hello, How can one retrieve the page : https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Judeo-Proven%C3%A7al&oldid=1147546924 ? By moving "Shuadit" to Judeo-Provençal, it seems you erased the history of the previous "Judeo-Provençal" page instead of merging it, and replaced its content with the obsolete one of the "Shuadit" page. The most recent revision of the page was there (https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Judeo-Proven%C3%A7al&oldid=1147546924), please restore it! Fuligo septica (talk) 16:30, 1 April 2023 (UTC)


 * Done. Typically, mergers are not what is handled at WP:RM/TR, and no indication, I don't believe, was given that a histmerge would be needed post move. - UtherSRG (talk) 18:05, 1 April 2023 (UTC)

Nick Jr.
Thank you so much for helping me with the Nick Jr. page moves!  P.I. Ellsworth &thinsp;, ed.  put'er there 12:40, 2 April 2023 (UTC)


 * You're welcome! - UtherSRG (talk) 15:07, 2 April 2023 (UTC)

"Windermere, Westmorland and Furness (town)" listed at Redirects for discussion
The redirect [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Windermere,_Westmorland_and_Furness_(town)&redirect=no Windermere, Westmorland and Furness (town)] has been listed at redirects for discussion to determine whether its use and function meets the redirect guidelines. Anyone, including you, is welcome to comment on this redirect at  until a consensus is reached. Devoke water  09:00, 5 April 2023 (UTC)


 * Thanks! - UtherSRG (talk) 11:06, 5 April 2023 (UTC)

Page moves and broken redirects
Hello, again, UtherSRG,

When you do a page move, please leave a redirect behind unless you are sure there are no redirects to this article. You moved List of iPhone models without leaving a redirect which created 43 broken redirect pages (see User:AnomieBOT III/Broken redirects). Unfortunately, even though these are valid redirects, a bot can delete these pages once they are seen as broken. I have created a temporary redirect so that Wikipedia's bots can correct all of these double redirects and point them to the correct target page. When you don't leave a redirect, then the bots don't know what to do.

Most of the time, with articles less popular than this, they can be manually fixed by an admin patrolling AnomieBOT's reports but in cases like this, where there are a lot of broken redirects, it's easier to let our bots fix the problem. Just thought I'd give you a head's up if you are asked to move a popular article again in the future. Thanks. Liz Read! Talk! 03:05, 31 March 2023 (UTC)


 * Yup, I thought I had checked this one. Sorry. - UtherSRG (talk) 11:06, 31 March 2023 (UTC)

Another page move issue that it seems you aren't aware of: articles should not be moved while they are being linked to from the Main Page as per WP:MPNOREDIRECT. Nothing should ever be so urgent that it can't wait a few hours. If it is urgent, please ask an administrator to move it as only admins can edit the Main Page to remove the redirect there.  Schwede 66  21:04, 13 April 2023 (UTC)


 * Which page did I move that was linked from main? - UtherSRG (talk) 22:18, 13 April 2023 (UTC)

Seyed Ali Mousavi Noor
Hi UtherSRG, hope you are well. Regarding Seyed Ali Mousavi Noor, I saw this log on its deletion/ status/ draft added on 8/9 February. The log mentions the existence of a draft, which is still the case, with a submission decline by on the 9th. However, the authoring account recreated the article on the the 10th (adding "(karate)" to the page name). The account was globally locked on the 23rd of February. Also globally locked is contributing/ related account Amirhasaninoor. I participated in the deletion of the article on the ptwiki, most of the content was false/ falsified, which led me to delete most of it here on the enwiki in this edit, so I can vouch for its unencyclopedicness. Rui &#39;&#39;Gabriel&#39;&#39; Correia (talk) 16:11, 17 April 2023 (UTC)


 * Thanks. I'll take care of this. - UtherSRG (talk) 16:15, 17 April 2023 (UTC)

Apologies
For the rollback at WP:RFU, I kept getting edit-conflicted with you while trying to tell the requesters that I had restored the drafts that you were commenting on. BD2412 T 18:17, 17 April 2023 (UTC)


 * Oh, sorry about that! I thought they weren't deleted because of the blue link and I didn't see a typical ME in the edit history. - UtherSRG (talk) 18:18, 17 April 2023 (UTC)

Chylismia claviformis subsp. peirsonii
The botanical code recognizes multiple ranks below species (subspecies, variety, form). The botanical code doesn't have the zoological codes principle of coordination, by which publishing a subspecies name automatically counts as publishing that name at species rank (and conversely, publishing a species counts as publishing it as a subspecies under every other species in the genus). Under the botanical code, any change in rank requires formal publication; it can not be assumed that a name published at the rank of subspecies exists when a name has been published at the rank of variety (or vice-versa). It is important to specify the rank of infraspecific botanical taxa. Infraspeciesbox should be used for botanical taxa; it shows the rank, via specifying subspecies or varietas.

Wikipedia is very consistent in using the abbreviation "subsp." in the titles of articles about botanical subspecies (lists of subspecies in species articles such as Chylismia claviformis are less consistent). "Subsp." follows the example of the botanical code and many taxonomic databases, but as far as I'm aware, "ssp." isn't wrong, and writing out "subspecies" in full is always an option.

That said, Chylismia claviformis subsp. peirsonii is a garbage article. The prose didn't provide any practical context whatsoever (I added that it was a "plant", which is still pathetic). I don't think it should have been moved out of draft space in the first place in the state it was in. I intend to redirect it in a week or so if the article creator doesn't do anything to expand it. Plantdrew (talk) 02:20, 18 April 2023 (UTC)


 * Ugh. Plants are weird. XD Well no. Plant people are weird. But ok, I get it. Thanks for the knowledge. UtherSRG (talk) 10:21, 18 April 2023 (UTC)

Bazooka (2023 film)
This article is about a film which has not started principal photography yet and doesn't show notability per WP:NFILM. 103.149.159.98 (talk) 23:44, 20 April 2023 (UTC)


 * Thanks for the heads up. - UtherSRG (talk) 00:51, 21 April 2023 (UTC)

Oops!
Seems like we both answered the tech request for Muvattupuzha Taluk at the same time. Could you revert my move please? Material Works   (contribs)  11:20, 21 April 2023 (UTC)


 * It happens. I've fixed it now. No worries. - UtherSRG (talk) 11:22, 21 April 2023 (UTC)
 * ! Material  Works   (contribs)  11:24, 21 April 2023 (UTC)

Draft:Kanguva
Dear reviewer, can you please review this? 2402:3A80:1E1B:D727:BF82:B850:93B2:178A (talk) 06:05, 23 April 2023 (UTC)


 * Nope. - UtherSRG (talk) 12:20, 23 April 2023 (UTC)
 * Ok thanks. 42.104.157.194 (talk) 17:10, 23 April 2023 (UTC)

Best edit of all time
This is my new favorite edit of all time. I'm a fan. 66.67.55.16 (talk) 01:53, 26 April 2023 (UTC)


 * ok. - UtherSRG (talk) 10:59, 26 April 2023 (UTC)

Thank you
Thank you for doing the various maintenance things on those plant articles I accepted. Those are things I Never would've thought to do cause I don't usually edit plant-related articles. ― Blaze WolfTalkBlaze Wolf#6545 16:22, 27 April 2023 (UTC)


 * Yeah mate, no worries. It's all about improving the encyclopedia, eh? I've been trolling the AFC/recent list for awhile now to make these kinds of improvements. Over the last few days I've started making a list of what I've done to accepted articles that I think any general reviewer should have done. (I want the AFCH tool updated to point out at least some of these potential issues.... so far only one issue is being tracked for an update...) The only one of yours on that list was today's bellflower article was missing a short description. The rest of the changes I do that I'm not logging are more specialized knowledge edits, such as the specialized redirect tag you thanked me about. Those come with time and seeing them a few dozen times. Cheers! - UtherSRG (talk) 16:32, 27 April 2023 (UTC)

A contested RM
Hi, ! There is a requested move contest at Talk:Muscle tissue. Your input would be greatly appreciated! Wikiexplorationandhelping (talk) 16:39, 27 April 2023 (UTC)

Thank you for helping with Megalodacne grandipennis
Thank you for helping me work on the new article. I appreciate it. Memer15151 (talk) 13:28, 28 April 2023 (UTC)


 * Any time. I've worked extensively on organism and tax articles so know a few tricks. *grins* - UtherSRG (talk) 13:50, 28 April 2023 (UTC)

Clearing the RM backlog
Hey, since you're an experienced closer and old admin I thought I should talk to you about this.

Those script/alphabet RMs at the bottom of the backlog have been annoying me for a while now. I closed them a while ago but I had a chat with the nominator and I reverted the closes. Since then they've been mostly stale regarding !votes, so I ask: what should be done about them? I can't really close them, since I'm now an involved editor (though even if I wasn't, I'd still have no idea as to whether they should be moved or not). What do you think about this? – Material  Works  22:42, 28 April 2023 (UTC)


 * Moving seems like the right answer, so I've done it. I'll also pipe in on the chat. - UtherSRG (talk) 10:16, 29 April 2023 (UTC)
 * Tournesol.png Thanks for the response, you lifted a huge weight off my shoulders. – Material  Works  10:50, 29 April 2023 (UTC)

Gadabuursi alphabet
Just FYI that your move might need to be reversed if the NCWS is changed or simply left as-is per the RfC to clarify this kind of situation (whether the script or alphabet is primary in an article that covers both), since that is one of the two topics in the RfC. — kwami (talk) 22:29, 29 April 2023 (UTC)


 * I don't care either way. - UtherSRG (talk) 23:18, 29 April 2023 (UTC)
 * That is in fact not one of the proposals made by the current RFC. And you yourself had declared earlier on the same talkpage: "Any alphabet article is likely to have some background info on the script, esp. if the script is predominantly a single alphabet, and I don't see how calling in an 'alphabet' would make the article hostile to such info...." [kwami, 12:56, 5 August 2011 (UTC)]In any case, the of WP:NCWS reads: Alphabet' is used for language-specific adaptations of a segmental script, usually with a defined sorting order and sometimes with not all of the letters, or with additional letters" — according to which Gadabuursi (a single alphabet specific to the Somali language) is an alphabet — and the RFC does not propose that it isn't.  –  . Raven .talk 01:58, 30 April 2023 (UTC)

Lady Slim
Greetings. I noticed that you have just undeleted this article for a second time at WP:REFUND. You restored it the first time as a contested soft delete a week and a half ago per the previous AfD result at Articles for deletion/Lady Slim, but the article was then renominated and deleted per a more definitive result at Articles for deletion/Lady Slim (2nd nomination), so I’m curious as to why it was restored yet again. Thank you for your time. --Finngall talk 15:18, 30 April 2023 (UTC)


 * Oh, I missed the 2nd AFD. I'll redelete. - UtherSRG (talk) 16:07, 30 April 2023 (UTC)

Completing closed page move requests?
First, thank you for closing those page move requests, and actually moving some of the pages!Second, not to joggle your elbow if you're busy, but some of the pages haven't been moved. And my edits to some of those pages to bring their texts in line with the discussed moves are being reverted (by kwami) because the titles haven't actually changed yet. Please finish the moves of Kaddare script, Osmanya script, Vithkuqi script, and Zaghawa script. Thank you. – . Raven .talk 04:52, 30 April 2023 (UTC)


 * Oh! Sorry about that. Done! - UtherSRG (talk) 11:41, 30 April 2023 (UTC)
 * Thank you again! – . Raven .talk 21:15, 30 April 2023 (UTC)

Draft:Honeggers Feed Mill
after reviewing your poorly thought out rejection and the link you included, I'd like to insure you that it does fit the topics for wikipedia. It's the history of a business. And if that ain't fitting, then I suggest you remove all other articles about defunct companies. ADHD Ginger Boi.#ALM2M &#91;&#91;User:ChiserYT&#124;ChiserYT&#93;&#93; (&#91;&#91;User talk:ChiserYT&#124;talk&#93;&#93;) (talk) 02:33, 2 May 2023 (UTC) ADHD Ginger Boi.#ALM2M &#91;&#91;User:ChiserYT&#124;ChiserYT&#93;&#93; (&#91;&#91;User talk:ChiserYT&#124;talk&#93;&#93;) (talk) 02:33, 2 May 2023 (UTC)


 * Good luck with that. - UtherSRG (talk) 10:28, 2 May 2023 (UTC)

Question
Can I ask you a question? DarkHorseMayhem (talk) 01:54, 4 May 2023 (UTC)


 * You just did. Do you not know your skills and abilities? XD - UtherSRG (talk) 10:33, 4 May 2023 (UTC)
 * ? DarkHorseMayhem (talk) 11:27, 4 May 2023 (UTC)
 * Why are you mocking me? DarkHorseMayhem (talk) 11:27, 4 May 2023 (UTC)
 * Why did you waste my time with asking if you can ask a question? Just ask the question. - UtherSRG (talk) 11:30, 4 May 2023 (UTC)

That wasn't the main reason I queried it. The main reason I queried it was that those names are not used in our articles. I wanted to see what the OP had to say. Dr. Vogel (talk) 12:24, 8 May 2023 (UTC)


 * The lede usage doesn't have to change before the article is moved. - UtherSRG (talk) 15:39, 8 May 2023 (UTC)
 * Of course. But looking at those 2 articles now, a couple of days later, they still haven't been edited to reflect the new title. I feel that it's more orderly to ask people to reflect the changes in the article so that we don't end up with a mismatch where there didn't use to be one. And typically pointing that out in the request does the trick of encouraging people. And another benefit of asking them to edit the lead first, is that it gives other people who have the article watchlisted a chance to see it on their radar before the article is moved, as they may be completely unaware that there's a pending request at RMTR. Do we have any rules that apply to this? Dr. Vogel (talk) 21:48, 9 May 2023 (UTC)
 * Fair enough. We have no such rules. - UtherSRG (talk) 10:46, 10 May 2023 (UTC)

FYI, in a move review not about your closures...
... Move_review/Log/2023_May, the move requests you did close, along with this one you didn't, were brought up (by kwami, who else?) as some sort of offense: "Raven has submitted nine duplicate RfM's…. … the multiple recent moves of articles on single-language scripts to 'X alphabet'… should probably be reviewed, as an attempt by Raven to preempt the decision at NCWS." Whether or not you choose to read that, and even possibly comment, is of course up to you. – . Raven .talk 04:54, 7 May 2023 (UTC)

I have now added a quote of your closure ruling (from Talk:Kaddare alphabet, as it happens) to my previous rebuttal text at WP:MR. I hope this is okay. – . Raven .talk 08:12, 7 May 2023 (UTC)


 * Thanks. - UtherSRG (talk) 12:04, 7 May 2023 (UTC)
 * That move review's taken an interesting turn. I now have to wonder whether the consensus definitions I've quoted from WP:RM and WP:RMNOMIN are in fact not held (by consensus) to be true. – . Raven .talk 04:10, 14 May 2023 (UTC)

Draft:Cyclone Mocha
Hello UtherSRG, could you please move back to the mainspace since the storm has already expanded? HurricaneEdgar   01:17, 14 May 2023 (UTC)


 * I see you've handled it. - UtherSRG (talk) 11:51, 14 May 2023 (UTC)

Edits on Subspecies of Canis lupus
Hi, I hope you're well.

I'd like to request a re-application of the recent edit to the subspecies of Canis lupus article:

The Indian wolf is found in northern Israel, specifically in the Golan Heights and Galilee (it is currently listed as southern Israel)

Source: https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/10.1560/1BLK-B1RT-XB11-BWJH

The Arabian wolf can be found in southern Israel (Israel is currently not listed)

Source: https://www.cambridge.org/core/journals/oryx/article/conflicting-management-policies-for-the-arabian-wolf-canis-lupus-arabs-in-the-negev-desert-is-this-justified/6BD87ED845F33A61B9C7F620EC5A54E8

Thank you, Bbreslau (talk) 14:59, 14 May 2023 (UTC)


 * I reverted because you didn't include the sources. You should always include the sources and cite them properly. Also, you'd made political edits as well. Please don't do that. - UtherSRG (talk) 16:58, 14 May 2023 (UTC)
 * Sure, I'll add the sources. As for making it political, I added an additional country where the wolves live, in a list of countries. How do you recommend doing this in an apolitical way? Bbreslau (talk) 17:00, 14 May 2023 (UTC)
 * You changed Palestine (region) to Palestine (state). That is highly political. Don't do that. - UtherSRG (talk) 18:11, 14 May 2023 (UTC)
 * As I mentioned on your post to my page, I apologize if it comes across as malicious. I made the edits in good faith, as I make all my edits Bbreslau (talk) 09:29, 15 May 2023 (UTC)

Heading Caps on Narita Viliamu Tahega
Thanks for reviewing Narita Viliamu Tahega for cleanup. I took care of the punctuation / ref order, but could you please confirm what needs to be fixed with the header caps? I'm taking this to mean the headers in the lede, but these look right to me, similar to how they're done with other articles with used names different than given names (like Miley Cyrus). Best, Upjav (talk) 18:02, 17 May 2023 (UTC)


 * Section headers should be in sentence case, not fully capitalized. - UtherSRG (talk) 18:04, 17 May 2023 (UTC)


 * Ah, right - thanks! Upjav (talk) 18:05, 17 May 2023 (UTC)
 * You're welcome! - UtherSRG (talk) 18:06, 17 May 2023 (UTC)

Undo revert on Draft:Sokuzan
Hi UtherSRG, are you able to undo the revert to Draft:Sokuzan? The restore of the original page was requested before more changes were made so the revert blew away the new content. Thank you! Andrew.rockwell (talk) 13:50, 18 May 2023 (UTC)


 * You have that ability. You can pull up the history of the article and restore any (legitimate) version of it. - UtherSRG (talk) 14:55, 18 May 2023 (UTC)
 * Thank you for your response
 * The instance of the article that I would like to restore (19:43, 7 May 2023) is not selectable, grayed out, and struck through. Is it not considered a legitimate version for some reason? https://ibb.co/W5rRVCk Andrew.rockwell (talk) 15:11, 18 May 2023 (UTC)
 * Correct. It has been revdel'd for WP:COPYVIO. - UtherSRG (talk) 15:15, 18 May 2023 (UTC)

Unblock request of
I'm reviewing an unblock request for this user, blocked for promotion and inappropriate username. Given that they've agreed to use an appropriate user name and cease editing in the area of their COI, any objection to unblocking? Seraphimblade Talk to me 07:26, 28 May 2023 (UTC)


 * Let's see how they answer the question I posed. - UtherSRG (talk) 19:45, 28 May 2023 (UTC)

Deletion of Draft:Adam
Hi UtherSRG,

I hope you are doing great! I wanted to ask you if it's possible to revert the article with title "Draft:Adam" from the deleted state as I would like to do proposed changes in the article so it's in-line with all the guidelines. Unfortunately, it was deleted before I even got to understand what's the reason and how can I improve it.

Thank you, kind regards

KarolinaAdam KarolinaAdam (talk) 14:21, 26 May 2023 (UTC)


 * This draft was deleted for WP:CSD (pure advertising) reasons. I will not be restoring it. - UtherSRG (talk) 16:18, 26 May 2023 (UTC)
 * So how can I improve it the way that it gets approved as an article the same way as eg. Bolt (company) or Bark.com? I was really trying to write it, categorized it and source it the same way to comply with all the regulations and recommendations. Thank you for your help. KarolinaAdam (talk) 08:37, 30 May 2023 (UTC)
 * You will have to start from scratch. I suggest reading WP:YFA and WP:BACKWARD and WP:42 to better understand how to successfully write articles. - UtherSRG (talk) 10:34, 30 May 2023 (UTC)

Comment
Hey, UtherSRG,

I hope you are well as we creep into summer. I'd like to request that after you restore an article that has been PROD'd or gone through AFD, just glance at the article afterwards and make sure everything is okay with it. I just ran into Draft:Yasubey Enomoto that had an old PROD tag on it and I came across another article the other day that was restored from an AFD soft delete decision still had the AFD tag on it. I don't think you can simply rely on scripts with these article restorations, you have to just look at them after restoration and make sure they have no previous deletion tags on the articles that are no longer relevant. Thanks for your help! Liz Read! Talk! 00:55, 2 June 2023 (UTC)


 * Thanks. I do try, but once in a while one slips through. - UtherSRG (talk) 10:34, 2 June 2023 (UTC)

Renaming of Lia (singer)
Hi, checking that you're going to fix all the links that are now going to the wrong page with the rename of Lia (singer). A significant amount of links now only go to the Lia page instead of Lia (Japanese singer). Esw01407 (talk) 11:36, 1 June 2023 (UTC)


 * Ah thanks. I got distracted by other issues and missed coming back to that. Thanks! - UtherSRG (talk) 11:37, 1 June 2023 (UTC)
 * Meh. That's a ton of links. I've fixed some, put decided it's better to have the (singer) dab go to the Japanese singer, and put a hatnote there for the SK singer. This way I or others can more slowly fix the list of links before restoring the redirect. - UtherSRG (talk) 11:52, 1 June 2023 (UTC)
 * Good plan. Esw01407 (talk) 16:48, 1 June 2023 (UTC)
 * Done. Whew! XD - UtherSRG (talk) 13:20, 2 June 2023 (UTC)

Draft:Nicholas Lowe
Since I ss no policy-based reason that this can't be in mainspace, I'm going to trust my AfC review work here and invoke WP:DRAFTOBJECT. Please restore this draft to mainspace. If you don't think it should be in mainspace, please take it to WP:AFD for discussion. ~Kvng (talk) 23:10, 1 June 2023 (UTC)


 * Done and done. - UtherSRG (talk) 13:23, 2 June 2023 (UTC)

Another sock?
Hi UtherSRG. Would you take a look at the edits of, and take any action you see fit? (Or tell me to file at SPI.) I see 12 edits about a year ago, then heading straight to AfD, including at Articles for deletion/Pankaj Choudhary (professor) (2nd nomination). I'm checking in with you because you recently blocked two socks who had been active at the same discussion. Russ Woodroofe (talk) 07:09, 3 June 2023 (UTC)


 * I've filed an SPI. - UtherSRG (talk) 12:39, 3 June 2023 (UTC)


 * Thank you! I perhaps should've just filed myself, but thought it worthwhile to run it by you. Russ Woodroofe (talk) 12:54, 3 June 2023 (UTC)

Ben Phillips
Can you please undelete the page. Notability can change over time and the last deletion was 6 years ago. Thanks. Sahaib (talk) 18:56, 4 June 2023 (UTC)


 * You should go to WP:DRV to make your case for undeletion, and you should have gone there for recreating the article in the first place, especially given that it was previously G4'd as well. - UtherSRG (talk) 19:02, 4 June 2023 (UTC)

References for Draft: National Hispanic Medical Association
Hi fellow Wikipedians,

I would like to know which of the seven sources I should remove from my draft. I would appreciate this; it would greatly help me focus my attention to which parts of NHMA I should be focusing on the most, in order to submit my short Wikipedia page successfully.

I will remove the ones that are journals, however I wanted to know which of the other citations I should remove?

Best,

-MMM MedicalMrMoose (talk) 19:55, 6 June 2023 (UTC)


 * My comment was about removing the external links from the body and moving them to the External links section. - UtherSRG (talk) 20:18, 6 June 2023 (UTC)
 * Oh okay, gotcha. I will do that change real quick and resubmit!
 * Thanks UtherSRG! :D MedicalMrMoose (talk) 21:00, 6 June 2023 (UTC)
 * Hi again UtherSGR,
 * I had a question about sources. So I found a very old news paper article dating back to 2005. It's a printed copy of it, and I tried searching for it on its website; however, there is no online version of the article. I was hoping I could still use the article, and if you need to confirm its authenticity, should I send it to you?
 * Hope to hear from you soon!
 * Best,
 * -MMM MedicalMrMoose (talk) 15:36, 7 June 2023 (UTC)
 * That question is better asked at WP:Teahouse. - UtherSRG (talk) 15:55, 7 June 2023 (UTC)

Deletion review for Ben Phillips (YouTuber)
An editor has asked for a deletion review of Ben Phillips (YouTuber). Because you closed the deletion discussion for this page, speedily deleted it, or otherwise were interested in the page, you might want to participate in the deletion review. Sahaib (talk) 20:38, 4 June 2023 (UTC)


 * Thanks UtherSRG (talk) 15:57, 7 June 2023 (UTC)

Edits to Draft:Jaime Claudio Villamil
Hi. I made some edits to the draft article on Jaime Claudio Villamil that you reviewed, including adding an ISBN to his book and several references, including one in English. Hope this helps. Thanks.--Lawrlafo (talk) 03:55, 5 June 2023 (UTC)


 * Ok UtherSRG (talk) 15:57, 7 June 2023 (UTC)

Sockpuppet investigations/Md Sunnat Ali Mollik/Archive
Hi - just wondering why you didn't block Md Sunnat Ali Mollik as well. Doug Weller talk 05:25, 9 June 2023 (UTC)


 * They are already blocked. - UtherSRG (talk) 11:34, 9 June 2023 (UTC)
 * Yes, by me but for using multiple accounts. I've CU confirmed them. Doug Weller  talk 15:53, 9 June 2023 (UTC)

rationales
Hi, could you please help me to understand where I was wrong here and here so I know for next time? Thank you! Dr. Vogel (talk) 14:54, 10 June 2023 (UTC)


 * For Poop, RM/TR is not the place to interpret or second guess an RM. That would be WP:MRV. For NTEN, there are other articles where we retain the full caps, like BAE Systems. - UtherSRG (talk) 20:38, 10 June 2023 (UTC)
 * Thank you for explaining. So, if I understand: 1) MRV is always the venue, even if it's a non-admin closure and the discussion is obviously not clear cut. 2) I had been taught before that if it's not an acronym and the upper case letters are only for style, that's frowned upon. But I will remember the example you're giving me (although I did think that BAE stood for "British Aerospace Electronics", and that's why we use the upper case letters in the title). Dr. Vogel (talk) 17:22, 11 June 2023 (UTC)
 * BAe was an acronym for British Aerospace. After the merger and rebranding to BAE, it no longer stands for anything. - UtherSRG (talk) 10:36, 12 June 2023 (UTC)

Speedy deletion nomination of Telfon John (disambiguation)


A tag has been placed on Telfon John (disambiguation) requesting that it be speedily deleted from Wikipedia. This has been done under section R3 of the criteria for speedy deletion, because it is a recently created redirect from an implausible typo or misnomer, or other unlikely search term.

If you think this page should not be deleted for this reason, you may contest the nomination by visiting the page and clicking the button labelled "Contest this speedy deletion". This will give you the opportunity to explain why you believe the page should not be deleted. However, be aware that once a page is tagged for speedy deletion, it may be deleted without delay. Please do not remove the speedy deletion tag from the page yourself, but do not hesitate to add information in line with Wikipedia's policies and guidelines. Skarmory  (talk •   contribs)  04:37, 12 June 2023 (UTC)


 * Thanks. UtherSRG (talk) 10:37, 12 June 2023 (UTC)

Inline citation of Pelvicachromis drachenfelsi
I have added inline citations as well as additional citation sources for this entry in hopes of having the Maintenance template removed. WaylonSummers (talk) 17:27, 12 June 2023 (UTC)


 * Looks good. Please move references to be after punctuation, and go ahead and remove the maintenance tag. (BTW - you didn't need to clear this with me, but I thank you for the courtesy.) - UtherSRG (talk) 17:35, 12 June 2023 (UTC)
 * I wanted to consult in order to assure the edits were acceptable. Thank you for the suggestion on adding citation after punctuation and for the fast reply. WaylonSummers (talk) 17:56, 12 June 2023 (UTC)

Disambiguation link notification for June 13
An automated process has detected that when you recently edited Dracaena ellenbeckiana, you added a link pointing to the disambiguation page Dracaena.

(Opt-out instructions.) --DPL bot (talk) 06:06, 13 June 2023 (UTC)


 * Thank you friendly little bot! - UtherSRG (talk) 10:35, 13 June 2023 (UTC)

CS1 error on Teleflora
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 * A "missing title" error. References show this error when they do not have a title. Please edit the article to add the appropriate title parameter to the reference. ([//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Teleflora&action=edit&minor=minor&summary=Fixing+reference+error+raised+by+%5B%5BUser%3AQwerfjkl%20(bot)%7CQwerfjkl%20(bot)%5D%5D Fix] | [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Help_desk&action=edit&section=new&preload=User:Qwerfjkl%20(bot)/helpform&preloadtitle=Referencing%20errors%20on%20%5B%5BSpecial%3ADiff%2F1159963232%7CTeleflora%5D%5D Ask for help])


 * Thanks you friendly little bot! - UtherSRG (talk) 17:22, 13 June 2023 (UTC)

CS1 error on Teleflora
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 * Thanks you friendly little bot! - UtherSRG (talk) 17:22, 13 June 2023 (UTC)

Page move on The North Fork Windmills
I think it was buried - as Orient Windmills without the context leads to the supposition that these are somewhere in Asia. As I mentioned in the talk, the move (with input) was to Southold Windmills, or Southold Windmills, NY, which helps when searching. If Windmills of the North Fork is unworkable, why not 'Southold Windmills'? CaptJayRuffins (talk) 21:25, 14 June 2023 (UTC)
 * Yeah, I don't know what the best solution is. - UtherSRG (talk) 22:56, 14 June 2023 (UTC)

Friedrich Wilhelm Fürst von Hohenzollern
Hello, UtherSRG,

I understand when you have 12 or 13 names, it can be tricky to settle on a page title but do you know why these articles keep being moved around? You reverted one article move and since then, it's been moved another 2 times. Does this page need move protection? Liz <sup style="font-family: Times New Roman; color: #006400;">Read! Talk! 17:32, 15 June 2023 (UTC)


 * Looks like. The move yesterday was in accordance with a completed RM. The move today by Renamed is vandalism. Ugh. - UtherSRG (talk) 17:38, 15 June 2023 (UTC)
 * I've moved it back now. They had something to say on a semi-related MRV, so it looks like things will stay interesting on this topic... - UtherSRG (talk) 17:44, 15 June 2023 (UTC)

Leaf-nosed bat
Hi! Regarding your reversion of my edit on Leaf-nosed bat, I believe that "Phyllostomidae" is a plural noun. The -ae ending is a Latin plural, and the rest of the article treats it as plural. For example, the lead opens "The New World leaf-nosed bats (Phyllostomidae) are found ...", the Evolution section begins "The Phyllostomidae, also known as New World leaf-nosed bats, are among ...", the Diet section begins "The Phyllostomidae demonstrate", etc. What do you think? CodeTalker (talk) 02:00, 17 June 2023 (UTC)


 * It depends on the usage. You picked out one kind, where the members are considered the primary noun. But consider "The family Phyllostomidae is in the order ...." where the family itself is the primary noun. This is the same sense it is being used in the sentence I reverted. - UtherSRG (talk) 17:01, 17 June 2023 (UTC)
 * Well, I'm not entirely convinced. If I consider substituting the common name "leaf-nosed bats" in place of "Phyllostomidae" to keep everything in English, then the correct version of the sentence in question would be "The leaf-nosed bats consist of 55 genera..." not "The leaf-nosed bat consists of 55 genera...". But it's not really that important, so I will drop it. CodeTalker (talk) 20:23, 17 June 2023 (UTC)

Incomplete process
Hello Stacey. Regarding this SPI, you tagged all of the confirmed accounts, but i believe you forgot to block one of them. Maybe i am wrong, but it doesn't appear in the block log of NormalguyfromUK, aside of some other former blocks. 37.6.165.255 (talk) 12:34, 18 June 2023 (UTC)


 * The SPI tool noted they were already blocked, but I see you are correct, it is only a partial block. I've now made it a full block. Thanks! - UtherSRG (talk) 13:51, 18 June 2023 (UTC)

Thanatonic nihilism
Hi, I'm just wondering why you didn't agree with the PROD rationale for this one. It's my first time using PROD so some feedback would be useful. Thanks.JohnmgKing (talk) 17:48, 19 June 2023 (UTC)


 * Contested PRODs are routinely restored and this one was contested at WP:REFUND. I was simply the admin to fulfill the contestation. You can ask the user who contested it why they disagreed with you. - UtherSRG (talk) 17:53, 19 June 2023 (UTC)
 * Thank you very much for explaining the process.JohnmgKing (talk) 18:00, 19 June 2023 (UTC)
 * You're welcome! - UtherSRG (talk) 18:04, 19 June 2023 (UTC)

Question regarding deletion of Brad Raider
You added more context of who I am on the discussion of Brad Raider, which is fine as it provides more information about who I am. However, it limits that scope to just my Wikipedia contributions of which I admit I am not an active part of the community. A more complete profile would also include my Twitter where yes I have been involved in discussing topics surrounding Psych for over a decade. Should that be included also as that is additional context outside of the notion I have single objective to sway Wikipedia?

I admit being a fan and knowledge of this subject may make me biased, but I am also trying to provide additional context which is greatly lacking in the discussion I have seen so far. That is why I added additional sources (NY Times, Variety, LA Times) to the Red Dog Squadron article that have been called into question for notability and got my attention. Wikipedia can ultimately take it or leave it, but its clear Wikipedia has targeted that theatre for some bizarre reason as it seems so clearly notable from what they've done and who's been involved over the years. I agree the articles should be improved, but that shouldn't be a motivating factor for deleting them. I can only hope that reason prevails here. Itsdannyg (talk) 14:04, 21 June 2023 (UTC)


 * Our primary guiding principle of inclusion in the encyclopedia is our own particular notion of notability. Lacking such notability is primary grounds for deletion. No one is targeting any particular subject; indeed, targeting is one of the reasons we require a community decision to fully delete an article, which is what an WP:AFD is. One's breadth of activity on Wikipedia, or lack thereof, is sometimes used to indicate whether one understands our community and our policies, or whether one is focused purely on their own pet subject without regards to the betterment (or degradation) of the encyclopedia. What one is interested in off of the encyclopedia has very little bearing on that. - UtherSRG (talk) 15:04, 21 June 2023 (UTC)
 * The bearing my interest has is that I am bringing information to the conversation that was lacking prior. The conversation seems to reveal lack of knowledge on the subject. Which is why I added sources to an article that was NOT marked for WP:AFD as you indicate, but rather Proposed_deletion indicating it wasn't even controversial even though it has been referenced in multiple well-known sources. These measures indicate a clear lack of knowledge about Psych and James Roday Rodriguez. Itsdannyg (talk) 15:35, 21 June 2023 (UTC)
 * Information on the subject is irrelevant. Please read WP:42. - UtherSRG (talk) 15:38, 21 June 2023 (UTC)
 * So that article doesn't merit a WP:AFD that has a discussion? The article was proposed for deletion without discussion so it was targeted. "Targeting is one of the reasons we require a community decision" -- those are your words but an attempt was made to bypass that discussion. Notability requires "Significant coverage", "Reliable", "Sources", "Independent of the subject" all of which I attempted to add. If NY Times and Variety isn't good enough, I'm not sure what Wikipedia is referencing and will think twice before continuing to use it for reference. Itsdannyg (talk) 15:46, 21 June 2023 (UTC)

Speedy deletion nomination of Category:Spanish football clubs 2001-02 season


A tag has been placed on Category:Spanish football clubs 2001-02 season indicating that it is currently empty, and is not a disambiguation category, a category redirect, a featured topics category, under discussion at Categories for discussion, or a project category that by its nature may become empty on occasion. If it remains empty for seven days or more, it may be deleted under section C1 of the criteria for speedy deletion.

If you think this page should not be deleted for this reason you may contest the nomination by visiting the page and removing the speedy deletion tag. Hey man im josh (talk) 14:32, 21 June 2023 (UTC)


 * All good. It wasn't empty when I created it, but it's empty now, so you, it's gone. - UtherSRG (talk) 15:05, 21 June 2023 (UTC)
 * Hey @UtherSRG: It wasn't empty when I stumbled upon it either. However, it was a duplicate of Category:Spanish football clubs 2001–02 season, using a hyphen instead of an en dash.. It looks like you created it based on a red category added to 2001–02 RCD Espanyol season. Hey man im josh (talk) 16:33, 21 June 2023 (UTC)
 * Ah cool. All good. :) - UtherSRG (talk) 10:43, 22 June 2023 (UTC)

Block evasion
Hello. After you blocked NormalGuyUK on June 18 (1) a new account (2) appeared on June 19 making the same kinds of edits they did. One of the first things they did was change a section name to Anglo-American intervention of Communist Albania as they tried here, creation of a draft about a "Planned invasion of Yugoslavia that was part of an article NGU made that was deleted. --Griboski (talk) 14:35, 23 June 2023 (UTC)


 * Thanks. I've filed an SPI report. - UtherSRG (talk) 15:35, 23 June 2023 (UTC)
 * Thanks. There is also this SPI that was completed a long time ago involving this user. It should be closed and archived. Just figured I'd throw it out there as it's been a long time. --Griboski (talk) 23:25, 23 June 2023 (UTC)

Undeleting the Constitution Party of North Carolina
Hello, I'm Average Ninja and I was directed to you to talk about unmerging this article from the national Constitution Party.

The reasoning for my wish to have this specific article undeleted is because circumstances revolving around the state-affiliated party had changed. At the time the deletion process was occurring, the Constitution Party of North Carolina didn't have ballot access at that point. It wouldn't be until 2018 that they would have ballot access in the state. Furthermore, there wasn't any information that made the state-affiliated party distinct from the national party at the time. I want to be able to share that information that has developed since then in its own wikipedia page. Average Ninja (talk) 13:13, 29 June 2023 (UTC)


 * No, I directed you to . - UtherSRG (talk) 13:14, 29 June 2023 (UTC)

Doppelganger block requested
Can you please block, , and  with the settings "Autoblock disabled, cannot edit own talk page"? I created these doppelganger accounts to avoid impersonation and/or abuse from LTAs. — Prodraxis {talk • contributions} (she/her) 15:40, 30 June 2023 (UTC)


 * You should be all set now. - UtherSRG (talk) 15:45, 30 June 2023 (UTC)

Postwar Britain
Um, it ended up at the title with the disambiguator because of History of the United Kingdom (1945–present) the fact that "postwar" did not end in 1979 and following a split. I can't work out where the talk page with the discussion has ended up now, but you can see it in the history here. You need to revert your undiscussed move, then you can check all the incoming links to all the redirects, and then you can find the right talk pages for the right pages. DuncanHill (talk) 12:04, 3 July 2023 (UTC)


 * I will revert this, though I think in the end, an RM will move this again. - UtherSRG (talk) 12:10, 3 July 2023 (UTC)

Can you please comment on the Jason Gamrath article
I added almost a dozen secondary sources. I am not sure what else you are looking for here. Thanks. 1010Art (talk) 12:41, 3 July 2023 (UTC)


 * They aren't WP:IS. To establish notability, the reference must be independent of the subject, reliable, and provide significant coverage. None of the sources you've used are all three of those. Some have one of those qualities - none have all. Read and comprehend WP:42 and all of the other links we have provided you. - UtherSRG (talk) 12:47, 3 July 2023 (UTC)

Question for Statue of Miyamoto Musashi
Hello, UtherSRG. Now I saw you reverted my deletion request for Statue of Miyamoto Musashi. I request deletion by criteria G5, but you reverted this because page creator is not blocked yet.

However, as you can see at Special:CentralAuth/Faitsetdocuments, page creator 'Faitsetdocuments' is blocked at frwiki since this account is sock of fr:Wikipédia:Faux-nez/Praelongum. Praelongum is global locked account (Special:CentralAuth/Praelongum), so apparently, Faitsetdocuments will be global locked, too. Isn't is enough to apply G5 for criteria of speedy deletion? Thank you. LR0725 [ Talk | Contribs ] 13:33, 7 July 2023 (UTC)


 * The tag you placed didn't have any information that linked Faitsetdocuments to Praelongum. I'll G5 now. - UtherSRG (talk) 13:36, 7 July 2023 (UTC)
 * Maybe I missed it while global patrolling. Thank you! LR0725 [ Talk | Contribs ] 13:37, 7 July 2023 (UTC)

Speedy deletion of Mahmoud Eskandari
WP:CSD by WP:G11 for Mahmoud Eskandari? its not fair. at least make it Nomination of Mahmoud Eskandari for deletion. like Articles for deletion/Yadollah Khalili or Articles for deletion/Khalil Dashtizadeh. This article will never include the speed delete.--<font face="Georgia" size="3" style="color:navy">Patricia <font face="tahoma" size="1" style="color: grey">(Talk)  12:42, 10 July 2023 (UTC)


 * You think this isn't promotional? The truth about Colonel Mahmoud Eskandari is now available on YouTube thanking the technology that can be used to show the reality. His very high knowledge of flight accompanied by his very high flying skills when he was a smart and humble person made him a remarkable shining star in the galaxy of Iranian fighter pilots. Fame and popularity are the most simple words to show how the other pilots knew him. - UtherSRG (talk) 12:46, 10 July 2023 (UTC)
 * The paragraph you mentioned or the praise should be removed, not the entire article. with all due respect I still insist that this article be revived and send Nomination of Mahmoud Eskandari for deletion.WP:AFD. thanks --<font face="Georgia" size="3" style="color:navy">Patricia  <font face="tahoma" size="1" style="color: grey">(Talk)  13:29, 10 July 2023 (UTC)
 * Removed that and more promo material and sent to AFD per your request. - UtherSRG (talk) 13:45, 10 July 2023 (UTC)
 * thanks Sir. you are so much Reasonable person.--<font face="Georgia" size="3" style="color:navy">Patricia <font face="tahoma" size="1" style="color: grey">(Talk)  13:50, 10 July 2023 (UTC)
 * May I suggest that you use WP:AFC for creating new articles so that they can be reviewed before included in the encyclopedia. - UtherSRG (talk) 13:54, 10 July 2023 (UTC)
 * Sure, I do. WP:AFC its good for me too.--<font face="Georgia" size="3" style="color:navy">Patricia <font face="tahoma" size="1" style="color: grey">(Talk)  14:02, 10 July 2023 (UTC)

Comment
Hello, UtherSRG,

I hope you know that I admire you as an editor and admin. But as the editor who brought the SPI against Manalbare, I don't think you should be reviewing their unblock request. I think filing the SPI case that got the account blocked makes you involved. You might disagree but I think in these cases, it's better to let someone else handle an unblock request. Thanks for all of your many contributions to the project. Liz <sup style="font-family: Times New Roman; color: #006400;">Read! Talk! 03:15, 13 July 2023 (UTC)


 * Fair enough. I've reverted my decline, throwing them back in the pool for someone else to decline or accept. - UtherSRG (talk) 10:45, 13 July 2023 (UTC)
 * And thanks for the nice compliment. :) I'm a fan of your work as well. - UtherSRG (talk) 11:08, 13 July 2023 (UTC)


 * Thank you for your flexibility. I rarely question other admins' work but thought a case like this one might come back to bite you, so to speak. I hope you have my back, too! Liz <sup style="font-family: Times New Roman; color: #006400;">Read! Talk! 05:30, 15 July 2023 (UTC)

Disambiguation link notification for July 17
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Question about Draft:Princess Bee page
Dear UtherSRG yesterday I saw you reverted page "Princess Bee" from soft delete state to draft. Hoping it can be useful I have provided the talk page with a reviewed version of the page itself without those parts that, according to me, have not encyclopedic value. Please can you review the page and let me know next steps? Is there any procedure to re-valuate a page to be moved from soft delete to published? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Videa79 (talk • contribs) 09:23, 19 July 2023 (UTC)


 * For a start, don't do that; don't re-draft an article or draft on its talk page. Make the edits in the right place so that differences can be seen. I've moved your rewrite into the draft itself. Second, I have no interest in the subject or reviewing it. I merely provided you a method of getting the work done in a manner that shields you from it being immediately send back to AFD. I will tag it as a draft and submit it to review for you. - UtherSRG (talk) 10:50, 19 July 2023 (UTC)
 * I suggest you read the deletion discussion (scant as it may be) and then seek assistance from The Teahouse, where there are folks who regularly handle helping out in this way. - UtherSRG (talk) 11:42, 19 July 2023 (UTC)

My draft
Hi, please could you let me know why you have submitted my draft, User:TSventon/sandbox/Notre Dame College of Education (Glasgow), to AfC rather than publishing it? Is it controversial in some way? TSventon (talk) 18:39, 15 July 2023 (UTC)


 * I strongly prefer to have new articles go through review, especially when there is even just a redirect in place. - UtherSRG (talk) 21:09, 15 July 2023 (UTC)
 * If you are following your own preference, rather than policy or consensus at RM/TR, please can you reconsider and either publish the article or return it to the RM/TR queue for another page mover to deal with. Otherwise presumably I can presumably start a RM.. I am willing to answer questions about the article, but think it is a low risk to Wikipedia as the college has been defunct for forty years and I am an experienced editor and can confirm I have no conflict of interest. TSventon (talk) 10:18, 16 July 2023 (UTC)
 * Fair enough. I probably should have allowed someone else to handle it. I've taken a look and used AFCH to accept it. This allowed me to see some additional projects to put it in I wouldn't have thought of. - UtherSRG (talk) 13:38, 16 July 2023 (UTC)
 * Thank you for dealing with this, it looks fine now. And I see it is autopatrolled at WP:NPP. TSventon (talk) 14:14, 16 July 2023 (UTC)
 * Yeah, AFC has some additional value. I think more people should use it, and even more important, more people should become reviewers. - UtherSRG (talk) 14:21, 16 July 2023 (UTC)
 * I have put some articles through DYK, which means that they get an extra review following NPP. I can see you are doing a lot of the RM/T work, which I have just added to. TSventon (talk) 12:32, 19 July 2023 (UTC)

Disruptive Edits
I am requesting you to please block pallavi.p.g28 because she is repeatedly and continuously making disruptive edits in the cast section of Udaariyaan. She is reverting correct information 103.101.212.245 (talk) 15:36, 30 July 2023 (UTC)


 * This looks like a content dispute. Please handle it via WP:BRD. - UtherSRG (talk) 10:43, 31 July 2023 (UTC)

Gail Dobert
An article that you proposed for deletion, was changed by User:2crzppul to an Articles for Deletion notice, however no such discussion was created. Please review this if you still want to delete this article.  Heart  (talk) 14:40, 2 August 2023 (UTC)


 * Thanks. They had every right to remove the PROD tag, but they seemed ignorant that there are multiple deletion processes. I've opened the AFD, though I was hoping to avoid it for this article. - UtherSRG (talk) 15:08, 2 August 2023 (UTC)

You've got mail

 * I can not read what those users wrote. - UtherSRG (talk) 15:54, 2 August 2023 (UTC)
 * I suggest using a translator. @UtherSRG Notrealname1234 (talk) 15:55, 2 August 2023 (UTC)

I have sent you a note about a page you started
Hello, UtherSRG. Thank you for your work on List of wheeled self-propelled howitzer. User:SunDawn, while examining this page as a part of our page curation process, had the following comments:

To reply, leave a comment here and begin it with. Please remember to sign your reply with ~. (Message delivered via the Page Curation tool, on behalf of the reviewer.)

&maltese; SunDawn &maltese;   (contact)   01:51, 4 August 2023 (UTC)


 * Thanks... but I only moved it to a new title. Cheers! :) - UtherSRG (talk) 02:09, 4 August 2023 (UTC)

Treatment of IP users and non-IP users
As Station1 wrote, I see no reason to have a different removal timeline for non-IP users. And am not aware of any rule mandating a difference. Irrespective of whether you can or do ping the IP users. 2603:7000:2101:AA00:F079:9CA5:9188:4506 (talk) 03:41, 7 August 2023 (UTC)


 * Thank you for your opinion. - UtherSRG (talk) 10:40, 7 August 2023 (UTC)

deletion of draft:Katrina Mathers
I believe you deleted my draft, I am new to this and need help with my page, as mentioned happy to have a proof reader to check over the post. Yossal2 (talk) 08:49, 9 August 2023 (UTC)


 * As I said before, please read WP:BACKWARD and understand what it is saying. Follow the advise in that essay to improve how you craft an article. - UtherSRG (talk) 10:28, 9 August 2023 (UTC)
 * It wasn't deleted because I am getting paid by the person I'm creating the page for? Yossal2 (talk) 10:46, 9 August 2023 (UTC)
 * No. As the notices on your talk page indicated, it was speedy deleted via WP:CSD as being highly promotional. Please read the notices and click through the links in the to understand fully. Please don't ask questions of me or others when we have already provided you the links that have the information you need; you are wasting our time when you do so. - UtherSRG (talk) 10:49, 9 August 2023 (UTC)

reverted edit
Hi, I was wondering why you reverted my edit on Grey crowned crane? Thank you. Alanli1996 (talk)
 * The website you added is not reliable or independent. Please use when signing your talk page edits. - UtherSRG (talk) 10:28, 8 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Thanks. Alanli1996 (talk) 00:32, 10 August 2023 (UTC)

Speedy deletion declined: BMC Amazon
Hello UtherSRG, and thanks for patrolling new pages! I am just letting you know that I declined the speedy deletion of BMC Amazon, a page you tagged for speedy deletion, because of the following concern: Not unambiguously promotional. You may wish to review the Criteria for Speedy Deletion before tagging further pages. Thank you. Ivanvector (Talk/Edits) 13:46, 10 August 2023 (UTC)


 * I'm well aware of the criteria. I'll elevate this to PROD. Thanks for the heads up. - UtherSRG (talk) 14:15, 10 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Oh, I see you cut out 99% of the article. That's why it was a G11... when that much is promotional... - UtherSRG (talk) 14:16, 10 August 2023 (UTC)

User 122.176.200.137
Hello @UtherSRG. I am here to reporting the Disruption of user 122.176.200.137 on multiple pages with Pro Muslim edits without clarification. Here are some of the examples : 1. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:MobileDiff/1169665513 2. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:MobileDiff/1169664035 3. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:MobileDiff/1169665513

One thing here to be noted that I have highly doubt that this account is a Sockpuppet of one of the Wikipedia user. & As per history edits of "battle of sangamner" I suppose it's of @ThePakistanihistorian. By the I just suppose to it. Aryan330 (talk) 18:51, 10 August 2023 (UTC)


 * I don't know enough about these topics to see these as pro-Muslim. - UtherSRG (talk) 18:55, 10 August 2023 (UTC)


 * @ThePakistanihistorian If you have a doubt regarding that I am a Sockpuppet of Melechha then I already told you that you can ask for Sockpuppet investigation & please don't comment in talk page of this user because everyone has a right to ask if he had a doubt.
 * Don't disturb this user's talk page,you can comment on my talk page.
 * Thank you Aryan330 (talk) 05:59, 11 August 2023 (UTC)
 * @UtherSRG okay,no problem leave that but he is disrupting many pages by not giving clarification & also I suppose he is a Sockpuppet

See he was also notified by one user for not giving clarification. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:122.176.200.137 I am saying here that he is Disrupting pages by giving exact opposite statements which follows same pattern(like releted to Muslim Dynasty) That's what should be noted. Aryan330 (talk) 19:56, 10 August 2023 (UTC)


 * This looks like normal Wikipedia learning curve stuff. This doesn't require admin intervention at this point. Fix the errors they've created. I'll give them a welcome notice to help set them straight - but this is also something you can do. - UtherSRG (talk) 11:58, 11 August 2023 (UTC)
 * @UtherSRG Ok.Thank you Aryan330 (talk) 12:16, 11 August 2023 (UTC)
 * I see that you took it upon yourself to remove discussions here. Please do not do that. I'm an adult and can decide on my own whether to remove discussions. - UtherSRG (talk) 13:13, 11 August 2023 (UTC)
 * @UtherSRG I can understand you but I had did it only because there is already a discussion going on Arbitration/Requests/Enforcement for this stuff & I didn't want another again.
 * That's why I deleted it.
 * Hope you could understood Aryan330 (talk) 13:22, 11 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Not acceptable. Don't do it again, and I advise you not to do it on other user's talk pages either. - UtherSRG (talk) 13:23, 11 August 2023 (UTC)
 * @UtherSRG I thought you would also did same as @SamX did that's why deleted.
 * Although,yes will not do that from now. Aryan330 (talk) 13:29, 11 August 2023 (UTC)

Draft:Matt Corker
Hello, UtherSRG,

I guess RFUD-helper doesn't take care of everything because after it was restored, this article needed the AFD tag removed. Just thought I'd give you a head's up and also thank you again for being so helpful on my User talk page. For some reason, the talk page gets an awful lot of traffic and because I have a lot of tasks on my schedule to get to, I often delay responding until the end of the day unless it is an emergency like a revision deletion request. So I appreciate when you choose to reply to an editor in need. I'm trying to improve my habits here as it can lead to frustration on the part of other editors. Thanks again. Liz <sup style="font-family: Times New Roman; color: #006400;">Read! Talk! 19:24, 12 August 2023 (UTC)


 * Yeah, I've put in a few pings to SD about the helper, but they haven't fixed it yet. And you're quite welcome! I have a number of talk pages on watch, and, when I have the time and see a need, I try to jump in. - UtherSRG (talk) 19:16, 13 August 2023 (UTC)

CS1 error on Sykes' monkey
Hello, I'm Qwerfjkl (bot). I have automatically detected that this edit performed by you, on the page Sykes' monkey, may have introduced referencing errors. They are as follows: Please check this page and fix the errors highlighted. If you think this is a false positive, you can [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?action=edit&preload=User:Qwerfjkl/sandbox/43&editintro=User:Qwerfjkl/boteditintro&minor=&title=User_talk:Qwerfjkl&preloadtitle=Qwerfjkl%20(bot)%20–%20UtherSRG&section=new&preloadparams%5b%5d=&preloadparams%5b%5d=1170685693 report it to my operator]. Thanks, Qwerfjkl (bot) (talk) 15:29, 16 August 2023 (UTC)
 * A "missing title" error. References show this error when they do not have a title. Please edit the article to add the appropriate title parameter to the reference. ([//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Sykes%27_monkey&action=edit&minor=minor&summary=Fixing+reference+error+raised+by+%5B%5BUser%3AQwerfjkl%20(bot)%7CQwerfjkl%20(bot)%5D%5D Fix] | [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Help_desk&action=edit&section=new&preload=User:Qwerfjkl%20(bot)/helpform&preloadtitle=Referencing%20errors%20on%20%5B%5BSpecial%3ADiff%2F1170685693%7CSykes'%20monkey%5D%5D Ask for help])

Libyan Civil War (2011)
Hello. If you move the article, remember to update lead infobox and Wikidata as well. Eurohunter (talk) 15:29, 16 August 2023 (UTC)
 * I actually came here to option a section on this after seeing that you had removed the technical request unimplemented; while a new discussion has been opened, the request was based on this RM, which was closed yesterday. I was hoping you would be willing to implement the minor modification to the WP:NOGOODOPTIONS close, to better align the title with guidelines in case the newly proposed move does not find consensus? BilledMammal (talk) 13:03, 17 August 2023 (UTC)
 * I'm not sure that's doable with the open RM. I'm not sure what all the bot needs to see, so making the move will need to go along with the additional changes. If you are willing to make the fixes (other than the actual RM itself), I'll make the move. - UtherSRG (talk) 13:06, 17 August 2023 (UTC)
 * I'm happy to fix up the current open request move, and make whatever changes to the infobox etc need to be made - thank you. BilledMammal (talk) 13:11, 17 August 2023 (UTC)

Draft:Nirahua_Entertainment
Hi Sir, Thank you so much for restoring my Wiki page. Requesting you to please help me for Publishing my Article. I did research on my Topic Nirahua Entertainment from last 7-8 months after that i send it for publishing. I don't no why my page got deleted. Requesting you to please resolve if any issue in my article. Help me to publish it. Thank You Sir. Awdhesh123 (talk) 11:52, 24 August 2023 (UTC)


 * I provided you with links to read and understand. I can not help you if you do not help yourself. Read those links. Read the AFD. Understand our policies. - UtherSRG (talk) 11:53, 24 August 2023 (UTC)

Account deletion
Hi, sir. Can you delete my account if I give the details? I just couldn't do it myself. Please help me. My.pulatov (talk) 12:22, 27 August 2023 (UTC)


 * There is no account deletion. - UtherSRG (talk) 23:09, 27 August 2023 (UTC)

Invitation to Cornell study on Wikipedia discussions
Hello UtherSRG,

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The study centers around a prototype tool, ConvoWizard, which is designed to warn Wikipedia editors when a discussion they are replying to is getting tense and at risk of derailing into personal attacks or incivility. More information about ConvoWizard and the study can be found at our research project page on meta-wiki.

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--- Jonathan at CornellNLP (talk) 15:49, 28 August 2023 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/En pièces détachées
Please remember that a French-language song is likely to have an article in the French-language Wikipedia, possibly with more extensive references than the English one. Please see fr:En pièces détachées Eastmain (talk • contribs) 19:00, 30 August 2023 (UTC)


 * Thanks, though I won't be checking there. My purpose is to get all of the articles that have been tagged for notability since 2010 cleared off the list. I don't care if any are deleted or kept. I'll leave that for the folks who !vote in the discussions. That seems to have been working, so I'll keep going as I have been. I *do* rm the tag myself on some articles, and I'm happy when the discussion for an article saves it. You are welcome to jump ahead and check the list I'm working through to see if there are any you want to work on before I get to them. I usually do something like 6-12 a day (one or two letters) so as to not unduly burden the AFD system. - UtherSRG (talk) 19:27, 30 August 2023 (UTC)

Consider switching to the new MoveToDraft script
Hi, please consider switching to the new Move To Draft script. It is fork of the script that you are using, but has some bug fixes, important warnings, and some feature enhancements. Happy editing! -MPGuy2824 (talk) 05:43, 30 August 2023 (UTC)


 * Fantastic! Thanks! - UtherSRG (talk) 10:22, 30 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Um... now I have two "Move to Draft" actions. Might be good to rename this one, or have the installer prompt to go to the older script's page for the uninstall? - UtherSRG (talk) 11:26, 30 August 2023 (UTC)
 * It does the same basic job as the previous script, so i don't think I should rename it. You'll have to comment out/remove Evad's version in your common.js file. I'll make sure to give these details the next time i try to get someone to switch scripts. :-) -MPGuy2824 (talk) 11:30, 30 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Ok, finally got a chance to test drive the new machine. Very nice! Definitely a huge improvement. I now have a feature request. When I used it, it was on an article that was requested for WP:RFU. However, the requestor wasn't one of the editors of the article, so I couldn't use the tool to send the draftification notice to them. It would be nice if we could write in additional users to notify. - UtherSRG (talk) 18:59, 31 August 2023 (UTC)
 * If I understand it right, you undelete an article in mainspace, and then immediate move it to draftspace. The problem is that the message that the script sends is targeted to previous contributors: "Thank you for your contributions to X". Since you are already going to add a message to the undeletion requester on the WP:RFU page, I'd suggest that no contributors be notified by the MTD script in such a case. -MPGuy2824 (talk) 06:01, 1 September 2023 (UTC)
 * It wasn't that simple. Another user restored the page, but later I draftified it. - UtherSRG (talk) 10:22, 1 September 2023 (UTC)

Deletion
The article L2 Empuraan is about a film whose production has not yet begun. Also, there is already a draft for the film Draft:L2: Empuraan. Can you delete the article? 103.179.230.134 (talk) 01:19, 4 September 2023 (UTC)


 * Yes check.svg Done - UtherSRG (talk) 10:21, 4 September 2023 (UTC)

AFDs
Hello, UtherSRG,

You nominate so many articles at AFD, with just a minute or two between nominations, I don't see how you can be doing a proper BEFORE. What is your process of looking into these articles before you decide to nominate them for deletion? Just looking through the day's AFD log and considering closures, it can seem overwhelming with the volume of your nominations. I don't see how you have the time to properly investigate each article subject. My rough guesstimate right now is that about 70% of the articles you nominate for deletion end up being deleted so there are a fair number of them that are Kept or Merged. So, my questions are not about whether or not these articles should be deleted, but the process and volume of deletion proposals.

Thanks for your work on the project. Liz <sup style="font-family: Times New Roman; color: #006400;">Read! Talk! 18:50, 4 September 2023 (UTC)


 * I admit, I do only the most cursory of BEFORE. I don't do any searches, I don't usually open the existing references. If there are any references, I check what facts the references are supporting, and check the title of the references. That's about it. I'm hitting articles on the NN by month lists (currently on Category:Articles with topics of unclear notability from June 2010). 13 years is long enough for someone to have given a proper BEFORE a shot, so I'm doing a minor IAR and skipping a thorough BEFORE to get them onto other peoples' radars by AFD'ing them. (There are a few I do just simply remove the NN tag.) I'm as happy to have an article reach a consensus regardless of the outcome, as it means the article is being taken off of the NN list; indeed, many have been significantly improved by the work others have done in finding sources. When an article is kept, if it hasn't been updated since my nomination, I post on the talk page a gentle reminder about the discovered sources and a ping of those who found them.
 * I'm aware of WP:NOTCLEANUP; in fact it's been stated a small number of times in my AFD nominations. I know we have no deadlines; yet at the same time, we put deadlines on some processes. Some of those deadlines are hard, and some are soft. At the same time, we have roughly 58k+ articles tagged for notability; tagged for the primary reason something shouldn't be an article. I don't think the existence of articles that have been tagged for 13 years stating they probably aren't something that should be included in the encyclopedia is beneficial to the encyclopedia. So most days I scrape through a dozen or so articles from the NN list and give them a nudge into the light where they will get some attention. - UtherSRG (talk) 10:58, 5 September 2023 (UTC)
 * I don't know why your talk page is on my watchlist, but since it is I'll just throw my two cents in; I agree that WP:BEFORE is just a recommendation, not a requirement - the requirement is that an editor has a reasonable rate of accuracy with their nominations, and it appears that you do have that. I would suggest at least checking the existing references, but your process appears to be working despite not doing that so I'm not really concerned with you not doing so.
 * I also agree that so long as there are no limits on the rates an editor can create pages, it isn't reasonable to apply limit to the rate editors can nominate pages for deletion. BilledMammal (talk) 12:03, 5 September 2023 (UTC)

G6: Deleted to make way for move
Hello UtherSRG, I hope you're doing well. When I try to make a edit/move for G6: Deleted to make way for move, it get declined for me. While other editors/volunteers with no advanced permission are able to do the same edit/move without any difficulty. For reference you can refer this article Sheezan Mohammed Khan moved to Sheezan Khan, I tried to make a move during the media trial regarding the subject on New Year's Eve but failed so I let it go. I came to you with a lot of hope, assuming you can clear my doubts and provide conclusion. Hope to hear from you soon. Thanks for your consideration. <b style="color:#FF0000">C1K98V</b> (💬 ✒️ 📂) 04:14, 9 September 2023 (UTC)


 * Are you asking me to do the CSD, or asking me to explain why you can't do it? - UtherSRG (talk) 11:51, 9 September 2023 (UTC)
 * @UtherSRG Did you get a chance to check both the article log?. You can see the article is moved by an editor/volunteer who don't hold any advance permission. So, yes I'm asking and trying to understand why I'm not able to make such an action/edit/move on my own. If you would go through my contribution you will find out that I had to always seek admins attention. Thanks <b style="color:#FF0000">C1K98V</b> (💬 ✒️ 📂) 16:20, 9 September 2023 (UTC)
 * And you can't move that page back to where it was, right? - UtherSRG (talk) 17:34, 9 September 2023 (UTC)
 * @UtherSRG yes, I can't move the article from Sheezan Mohammed Khan to Sheezan Khan or the other way Sheezan Khan to Sheezan Mohammed Khan. It's just an example article which I listed, but whenever I try to do G6: Deleted to make way for move, on my own it declined. So I'm not sure what is restricting me, I'm okay with seeking admins attention for G6 but sometimes I feel disappointed. <b style="color:#FF0000">C1K98V</b> (💬 ✒️ 📂) 17:46, 9 September 2023 (UTC)
 * Ok yeah, I don't know why you can't. Sorry. - UtherSRG (talk) 17:47, 9 September 2023 (UTC)
 * In any manner am I blocked, or any abusefilter is getting triggered with my edits. Any idea? Whom to reach out to get a clarity on the issue. <b style="color:#FF0000">C1K98V</b> (💬 ✒️ 📂) 17:51, 9 September 2023 (UTC)
 * Nope. - UtherSRG (talk) 11:50, 10 September 2023 (UTC)

Template:Non-admin closure (requested moves)
Hello, UtherSRG,

I saw all of these template moves in the Move log and wondered whether the content of the instructions on the page need to be changed now that the template name has changed. They still list using the previous names and I'm not sure this will work now that those pages are redirects. I'm not really knowledgeable about how templates work so many some of the editors or admins who frequent TFD would know about this. Thanks. I hope you are having a good weekend. Liz <sup style="font-family: Times New Roman; color: #006400;">Read! Talk! 19:42, 10 September 2023 (UTC)


 * Seems to be working. - UtherSRG (talk) 10:51, 11 September 2023 (UTC)

The Micronesian-Corsican Revolution G5's
Hey, I noticed you made some WP:G5 deletions referencing User:The Micronesian-Corsican Revolution. However, I don't see that they have been blocked before today? If so, there is no way for User:TheElvisBelievingBumbleBee to have created those pages in violation of a block or ban. -- Tavix ( talk ) 19:19, 11 September 2023 (UTC)


 * I went a bit bold. One of the accounts was created in 2019. They knew they were doing wrong, so I nuked all of EBBB's creations. - UtherSRG (talk) 10:43, 12 September 2023 (UTC)
 * I disagree. Age of creation of account is irrelevant, especially given that The Micronesian-Corsican Revolution was not active during these four years. I also don't see evidence that they knew they were doing anything wrong. Either way, that has nothing to do with G5, which states: To qualify, the edit or page must have been made while the user was actually banned or blocked. A page created before the ban or block was imposed or after it was lifted will not qualify under this criterion. Please revert your deletions. -- Tavix ( talk ) 12:48, 12 September 2023 (UTC)
 * Welp, turns out you were right. I strike my request. -- Tavix ( talk ) 13:44, 12 September 2023 (UTC)
 * It happens from time to time. ;) - UtherSRG (talk) 10:58, 13 September 2023 (UTC)

RNA velocity
hi, let me know if this is ok --Ozzie10aaaa (talk) 18:18, 13 September 2023 (UTC)


 * Still not good enough. See the lede for RNA sequencing. RNA-Seq ... is a sequencing technique that uses... This (barely) answers the "What is it?" question. Check out other related articles to get a feel for what's needed. - UtherSRG (talk) 18:28, 13 September 2023 (UTC)

ANI Protection
Hey thanks for the protection on ANI. Quick question, did you mean to set it to indefinite for auto confirmed users? RickinBaltimore (talk) 12:07, 14 September 2023 (UTC)


 * That was an oversight which I quickly corrected. I hope. - UtherSRG (talk) 12:09, 14 September 2023 (UTC)

Never mind, saw you switched it! RickinBaltimore (talk) 12:08, 14 September 2023 (UTC)


 * XD - UtherSRG (talk) 12:09, 14 September 2023 (UTC)

NE Cottontail
Eastern wolves and eastern cougars were the two correct taxonomic entities to place in that list geographically. Chumzwumz68 (talk) 17:32, 10 September 2023 (UTC)


 * Please include sources to cite your changes when making them. If the sources already cited support your changes, indicate this in your edit summaries. - UtherSRG (talk) 10:51, 11 September 2023 (UTC)
 * Or indicate with some specificity why your edits are correct. Your summary of "Fix" is insufficient. - UtherSRG (talk) 11:01, 11 September 2023 (UTC)
 * Added sources. Chumzwumz68 (talk) 22:42, 12 September 2023 (UTC)
 * Again, insufficient. You are creating WP:OR via WP:SYN. Neither of those references mention predation on the cottontail. - UtherSRG (talk) 10:54, 13 September 2023 (UTC)
 * I'm not adding these sources to suggest these animals predated on cottontails. I am simply fixing the taxonomy on the scientific names. I did not add the claim that the two species preyed on cottontails, and I neither agree or disagree with that claim. Just here for taxonomic purposes. Chumzwumz68 (talk) 22:33, 13 September 2023 (UTC)
 * You are changing what species are preying on the rabbit. That's not supported by the sources. - UtherSRG (talk) 15:01, 14 September 2023 (UTC)

Discussion
Why did you offer to delete all the registrations I made? Do you know if all these registers have joint references? You are instructed to immediately remove all deleted tags. Srabanta Deb (talk) 02:31, 17 September 2023 (UTC)


 * That is for the community to decide. - UtherSRG (talk) 02:46, 17 September 2023 (UTC)

Restoration of Page on Kamla Nath Sharma
Hi UtherSRG, thanks to you profusely for undeleting the draft on ‘Kamla Nath Sharma’, a senior engineer and writer from India. This page was first included as far back as about 10 years, and has undergone many many changes since. Now, from its full contents some years back, the present draft has been substantially edited to conform to the accepted guidelines under Wikipedia articles. Hope, it meets your acceptance also. I have also procured a recent picture of Prof. Sharma. It is requested that the article may please be restored. Thanks again. Aaditya BahugunaAaditya.Bahuguna (talk) 14:55, 18 September 2023 (UTC)


 * I have submitted the draft for review on your behalf. You could have done this yourself by putting  at the top of the draft. - UtherSRG (talk) 15:16, 18 September 2023 (UTC)

I am deeply hurt by utherSRG insulting my editing and writing.
UtherSRG I think you insulted all my editing and writing. You don't want me to make new edits and posts on Wikipedia. So you are trying to delete all my edits and posts by adding delete tag. I know that all these edits and deletes will happen. Only because of you I am forced to leave this beautiful world of Wikipedia. I don't want to play a role where my independent writing and editing is not respected. I think you are not a good person. You can write and edit your own Wikipedia. You don't need to respect and help me. I have written the writings from my pain and sorrow. Srabanta Deb (talk) 15:10, 18 September 2023 (UTC)


 * I'm sorry you feel this way. Wikipedia is a community effort and has policies that were approved by the community. Your contributions must conform with these policies, or they must go. This is not personal. If you can improve the articles so that they conform to our policies, then I would expect that they will survive the deletion discussions. If they do not survive, it is because they should not have been created in the first place. - UtherSRG (talk) 15:13, 18 September 2023 (UTC)
 * And I echo 's sentiment: [D]eleting an article is not an "insult". If the reliable sources aren't there, they aren't there. It might be too soon. If you find some stronger references, maybe there could be an article in the future. I'm sure that the articles have been evaluated according to Wikipedia policies and guidlines and not based on editors' opinion of [the subject]. - UtherSRG (talk) 15:19, 18 September 2023 (UTC)

Red squirrel
Hi, @UtherSRG. Could you let me know why you reverted my revisions to the red squirrel page, https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Red_squirrel&diff=next&oldid=1175787282? I thought they were entirely constructive and non-controversial; clearly you disagree, but I can't figure out why.

- It is anathema in biology to say that a trait is "for" a particular purpose. This is teleological reasoning (as noted in my edit summary). Thus, "offers camouflage" (which is a neutral, factual description of an advantage conferred by the trait) is superior to "is for camouflage" (which presupposed that the trait evolved with a particular end in 'mind'). See Teleology in biology for a fuller discussion.

- eastern grey squirrel should be wikilinked at the 1st instance, not the 2nd

- similarly, it should be clarified as "American" at the 1st instance, not the 2nd

- a comma is required before "which", as it introduces a non-restrictive modifier phrase

Thank you kindly.

Gould363 (talk) 22:12, 17 September 2023 (UTC)


 * Mostly, it was the American/Eurasian movement. It doesn't make sense to me to split the locality information by moving only one of the localities to be earlier when they were in the same sentence previously. I've restored yours and made my changes on top. - UtherSRG (talk) 00:54, 18 September 2023 (UTC)
 * Lovely, thank you! Gould363 (talk) 18:12, 18 September 2023 (UTC)

Battle of Kelmendi
Hi @UtherSRG, I have nominated the Battle of Kelmendi article again, please feel free to take part in the discussion if interested. thank you! Wafflesvarrg (talk) 14:06, 14 September 2023 (UTC)


 * Cool, but are you sure you did it correctly? It should be pulling up the first AFD in an info box but I'm not seeing that. - UtherSRG (talk) 15:00, 14 September 2023 (UTC)
 * Ok, I've fixed it now. - UtherSRG (talk) 15:07, 14 September 2023 (UTC)
 * Please check at WP:AFD to see if there are any steps you have missed. (Also, you should enable WP:TWINKLE to make many aspects of Wikipedia easier...) - UtherSRG (talk) 15:22, 14 September 2023 (UTC)
 * @UtherSRG thank you for your help much appreciated! Wafflesvarrg (talk) 19:19, 14 September 2023 (UTC)
 * Hello @UtherSRG, Do you have any tips how to get editors to comment on that AfD? Wafflesvarrg (talk) 09:33, 18 September 2023 (UTC)
 * Just leave it be. AFD is a process. Don't push the process. - UtherSRG (talk) 10:43, 18 September 2023 (UTC)
 * ok thank you! Wafflesvarrg (talk) 10:47, 18 September 2023 (UTC)
 * Have just used twinkle for the first time after noticing another problematic article. thanks for the tip! Wafflesvarrg (talk) 12:47, 19 September 2023 (UTC)

Improper edit summaries
Hi, I see that you're an admin who has been active recently. Would you mind removing these summaries?  –Skywatcher68 (talk) 14:13, 20 September 2023 (UTC)


 * Yes check.svg Done - UtherSRG (talk) 14:37, 20 September 2023 (UTC)

Daniellenavy
Just goes to show you that great minds (yours) and not-so-great minds (mine) sometimes think alike. I had actually brought up the block form to revoke TPA when I noticed the box was already checked. I would have posted this here earlier but RL interfered. Thanks.--Bbb23 (talk) 01:39, 24 September 2023 (UTC)


 * Thanks! I'm sure I've gone to do something only to see you've already done it as well before. Cheers! - UtherSRG (talk) 11:45, 24 September 2023 (UTC)

TPA Block request
Looks like TPA needs to be revoked for this user User talk:107.122.173.1. Thank you.  ❯❯❯  Raydann  (Talk)   17:42, 26 September 2023 (UTC)


 * Yes check.svg Done - UtherSRG (talk) 17:52, 26 September 2023 (UTC)

Page move undo
Hello, I hope you're doing well. Is it possible to undo the page move I made today for the article Saubhagyavati Bhava: Niyam Aur Shartein Laagu. Thanks for your consideration. <b style="color:#FF0000">C1K98V</b> (💬 ✒️ 📂) 18:30, 26 September 2023 (UTC)


 * Yes check.svg Done - UtherSRG (talk) 18:40, 26 September 2023 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the quick response. Have a good day ahead. <b style="color:#FF0000">C1K98V</b> (💬 ✒️ 📂) 02:48, 27 September 2023 (UTC)

Association of Food Journalists additions
Hi, User:UtherSRG - Thanks for the additions to and reformatting of the AFJ Wiki article. Am I correct in thinking you added "Notable recipients of AFJ awards include Jackie Summers, David Leite, Ted Genoways, Russ Parsons and Mikki Kendall?" As I discovered when I tried to use it, the old url for the association, afjonline.com, is dead. Do want to delete/replace them, or should I? Thanks again! Sam Perkins (talk) 15:26, 27 September 2023 (UTC)


 * I have no interest in the article. Was just doing a little bit of drive-by cleanup. - UtherSRG (talk) 15:30, 27 September 2023 (UTC)

Comp check
Hi there. Just wanted to let you know that I undid your draftification of this article. It's been an article since 2007, and per WP:ATD-I, it doesn't qualify for incubation. - Eureka Lott 13:07, 30 September 2023 (UTC)


 * Fair, though not entirely true. Because abandoned drafts are deleted after six months, moving articles to draft space should generally be done only for newly created articles (typically as part of new page review) or as the result of a deletion discussion. Older articles—as a rule of thumb those older than 90 days—should not be draftified without prior consensus at AfD.[disputed – discuss] Emphasis mine. - UtherSRG (talk) 14:23, 30 September 2023 (UTC)

US coins
You were right to revert, but all of these denominations (and more) did exist, but are long discontinued and some are no longer legal tender. Just some interesting trivia :) - ZLEA  T \ C 23:02, 5 October 2023 (UTC)


 * The key phrase in the edited sentence is Circulating coins exist in denominations of .... Indeed, those used to be in circulation, but they are not currently. - UtherSRG (talk) 10:57, 6 October 2023 (UTC)

Arguments to avoid in deletion discussions
Not sure what you mean by "make the better argument" here, given my words had been quoted from the page itself in the very next sentence. Can you elaborate? 2603:8001:4542:28FB:6CA0:4C83:6BDA:AF03 (talk) 16:55, 5 October 2023 (UTC)


 * It's validly not a valid argument to make as one should make the better argument as you point out. - UtherSRG (talk) 17:32, 5 October 2023 (UTC)
 * I think you and I might actually be agreeing, but are simply misunderstanding each other's words. Effectively, my line of thinking was:
 * Significant coverage "address[ing] the subject in detail" is required for articles. (Per GNG, etc.)
 * Under almost all ordinary circumstances, a single sentence won't provide enough detail about a subject to count as discussing it "in detail".
 * Therefore, a single sentence about a subject counts as trivial coverage.
 * Therefore, "HennyYoungmans argument that "One sentence is trivial coverage" is correct, or at the very least isn't intrinsically fallacious or against policy.
 * Therefore, it shouldn't be listed as an argument to avoid, because it isn't an argument that need be avoided.
 * If I'm understanding you right, I think you're saying instead of simply repeating that "one sentence is trivial coverage" an AFD user should elaborate why one sentence amounts to trivial coverage (because of SIGCOV, etc., etc.), which I agree would be more helpful--but saying that "one sentence is trivial coverage" alone isn't wrong, and is completely in line with policy, so there's no reason to list it as an argument to be avoided. 2603:8001:4542:28FB:C4B:E800:696D:62C9 (talk) 06:16, 6 October 2023 (UTC)
 * It's not valid to simply make the argument One sentence is trivial coverage. One must expound upon this at the very least. There may be SIGCOV in the citations but none of the information was put into the article (in which case a delete !vote would not be justified) or there is not SIGCOV of the subject and that's what should be said (in which case a delete !vote would be justified). - UtherSRG (talk) 11:01, 6 October 2023 (UTC)

User:YouAreGoingToSweden
Good Morning, UtherSRG. I was wondering, why did you remove this user's talk page access? It seems they were getting around to making an unblock request and their chance was unfairly taken from them. 2604:2D80:AB02:A100:B4D8:A3CE:978F:C48D (talk) 04:34, 7 October 2023 (UTC)


 * I do not believe they were. - UtherSRG (talk) 11:35, 7 October 2023 (UTC)
 * Okay then. It also seems to me that they were a young kid, and it isn't recommended to edit on the 'pedia being that young so it 's probably for the best. Thanks for the response and have a good rest of your day. :) 2604:2D80:AB02:A100:B4D8:A3CE:978F:C48D (talk) 15:42, 7 October 2023 (UTC)

Your reversion was incorrect
 This species is indeed called a "red monkey". I've seen one. Touched it. Very cute creatures. Have you? Or do you just sit in your basement reverting good-quality edits? Equinox ◑ 01:21, 9 October 2023 (UTC)


 * Can you provide a valid reference that calls it that? We do not care what you know, we care about what you can prove to be valid. - UtherSRG (talk) 10:42, 9 October 2023 (UTC)

AFDs
Hello, UtherSRG,

Your decision to immediately renominate for a second AFD articles which were Soft Deleted and then restored is coming in for some criticism, at least from one very active editor. I agree that if participation was low in the first AFD, it is unlikely to be higher in another AFD coming quickly after the first one was closed. Additionally, since the first AFDs closed as Soft Delete, there has to be substantial support for Deletion (rather than just one editor advocating Delete) since articles can't be Soft Deleted twice. Right now, it looks like the three AFDs I've seen like this will be closing as No Consensus which might not be the best use of editors' time and will also be very stressful for the article creator.

Please rethink this strategy. It's not that I think these articles should be Kept, I just don't think that this approach will result in your desired result which seems to be their deletion. Our most precious resource is our editors' time on the project so it is wise to not overwhelm AFD with nominations that have a low success rate of achieving your goal. I think if you renominate these articles in a few months' time, the closure result might be very different. In fact, quickly renominating an article after a recent AFD closure can result in the subsequent AFD being closed as Keep on procedural grounds although I won't take this action. Just a few thoughts to consider. Thanks. Liz <sup style="font-family: Times New Roman; color: #006400;">Read! Talk! 03:41, 10 October 2023 (UTC)


 * That's fair. What's a good rule of thumb for time between AFDs? - UtherSRG (talk) 11:02, 10 October 2023 (UTC)
 * If you are talking about David Shenkar and Benisha Poudel, my intention is not actually to get a firm deletion. These were soft deletions that were immediately restored via RFU. I strongly prefer to see such restorations go to draftspace instead of immediately back to main article space. This gives the editor time to address the AFD's concerns with a reasonable cushion. And added benefit is that hopefully it will then go through AFC and get additional eyes on it. When they do get immediately restored to main article space, I instead re-AFD them to bring those eyes to the article. If that means a keep instead of a delete, that's great! If it means a firm delete, that's great! If it gets just one more pair of eyes on it and it still ends up as no consensus, well, it's not great, but at least it's possibly on someone else's radar. And indeed, one of those article I mentioned has gotten some keep votes, so I expect it will be a firm keep. I consider that a success. - UtherSRG (talk) 11:12, 10 October 2023 (UTC)

Abladifferentblausername SPI
Regarding this SPI, I blocked and tagged the account myself; I submitted to CU because I suspected that the user was going to challenge my WP:DUCK block and tag. I was also hoping to uncover sleepers. (I should've noted those things in my submission). OhNo itsJamie Talk 14:58, 11 October 2023 (UTC)


 * You submitted an SPI, but that doesn't, by default, request CU. I'll request it. - UtherSRG (talk) 15:00, 11 October 2023 (UTC)

Reviews are not so simple
Re:Tenley M. Conway moved to draftspace I don't intend to be rude, but at the same time I think it is appropriate to make a few comments based upon my experience as a journal editor, publication/proposal reviewer and arbitrator, and also being on the other end. Both in Wikipedia and outside many people hide behind anonymity (you don't). It is way too common in journals to see 1-3 sentence reviews "this is bad". All editors either reject these or get an independent 3rd (or more) opinion. When challenged, often for good reason, a reviewer has the responsibility to backup their statements, as appropriate with sources. (Yes, it is common for reviews to quote sources, as you may know.) If they did not, as a journal editor or adjudicator I have always ignored them.

N.B. Additional comments are sometimes useful for novices such as the original author of this article. While his 2022 bio of Johnson should probably get deleted (how did it get through?), not this one. Beyond DEI, discipline-adjusted (necessary) she looks like a rising star. If I find time I may tweak it for him. Ldm1954 (talk) 16:16, 14 October 2023 (UTC)

Your edits in my talk page
Hello Mr. Greenstein I see that you have deleted the edits of a user in my page without notifying me? Why have you done that?

I think it would have been proper and polite for you to write to me a message? What is going on there? Are you an admin btw? I suspect some user's editing so extremely boldly which feels like they are conveniently in cahoots with each others and edit as if they are going to be covered/saved by admins. After all Wikipedia is not a democracy. Anyone who gets power can abuse it to their advantage/will. Or do we have any measures to prevent that even for admins? Utku Öziz (talk) 23:56, 20 October 2023 (UTC)
 * I didn't know you had your real name on your userpage. Huh. BTW, my mother-in-law's birthday is Janury 29. And as long as I'm here, please stop reverting block-evading IPs. It's very wrong of you.--Bbb23 (talk) 00:22, 21 October 2023 (UTC)
 * Just goes to show you how many things can happen when you're off-wiki. I find a lot of problems are resolved while I'm not even paying attention. The OP has been indefinitely blocked at ANI as NOTHERE by .--Bbb23 (talk) 01:36, 21 October 2023 (UTC)
 * I think there's decent evidence someone is not here to build an encyclopedia about the time they start throwing the word cahoots around non-ironically. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 01:50, 21 October 2023 (UTC)
 * Non-ironically and incoherently.--Bbb23 (talk) 01:53, 21 October 2023 (UTC)
 * We don't seem to have a proper article on Cahoots. Given the number of Wikipedians who apparently live there (or at least visit the place), it must surely be notable, and deserving of an article. Smile_eye.png AndyTheGrump (talk) 02:00, 21 October 2023 (UTC)
 * Thanks for attending this y'all. - UtherSRG (talk) 11:35, 21 October 2023 (UTC)
 * All aboard the cahoots caboose! - UtherSRG (talk) 12:20, 21 October 2023 (UTC)
 * Category:Editors who are in cahoots ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 12:39, 21 October 2023 (UTC)
 * Is that all I need to be in the cahoots caboose club? - UtherSRG (talk) 12:41, 21 October 2023 (UTC)

User:The Banner/Clonbony GAA
Hello, UtherSRG,

I'm not sure what's up with rfud-helper but it didn't make an edit to this page you restored so it showed up on User:SDZeroBot/G13 eligible. Just thought I'd let you know. Liz <sup style="font-family: Times New Roman; color: #006400;">Read! Talk! 01:47, 23 October 2023 (UTC)


 * Thanks... - UtherSRG (talk) 11:13, 23 October 2023 (UTC)

Harpy eagle
Sorry - keep confusing it with the Philippine eagle, which is at CR :p -- Elmidae (talk · contribs) 18:26, 23 October 2023 (UTC)


 * No worries. :) - UtherSRG (talk) 19:53, 23 October 2023 (UTC)

November Articles for creation backlog drive
<div style="border: 2px solid #484898; background: #FFF; background-color:#98FB98; padding: 1ex 1ex 1ex 1.5ex; margin: 0px 0px 1em 1em; font-size: 99%"> Hello UtherSRG:

WikiProject Articles for creation is holding a month long Backlog Drive!

The goal of this drive is to reduce the backlog of unreviewed drafts to less than 2 months outstanding reviews from the current 4+ months. Bonus points will be given for reviewing drafts that have been waiting more than 30 days. The drive is running from 1 November 2023 through 30 November 2023.

You may find Category:AfC pending submissions by age or other categories and sorting helpful.

Barnstars will be given out as awards at the end of the drive.

There is a backlog of over pages, so start reviewing drafts. We're looking forward to your help! MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 13:25, 31 October 2023 (UTC)

Zakir Hossain Raju
Hi UtherSRG, I fixed a bunch of incoming links to Zakir Hossain Raju to link directly to Jakir Hossain Raju, apart from those that were intended for the professor (such as author-links). But if I look at "what links here" at the Zakir Hossain Raju redirect there are still loads of incoming links. But when I look at (some of) the articles in question I can't find the links. Am I missing something? Polyamorph (talk) 16:07, 29 October 2023 (UTC)
 * Moot now that Zakir Hossain Raju (professor) has been deleted. Polyamorph (talk) 07:14, 7 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Likely the issue was the navboxes. This is normal and clears up in a few hours as the database settles. - UtherSRG (talk) 12:13, 7 November 2023 (UTC)

My Spirit Sings title
Hi, thank you for working on the Mináǧi kiŋ dowáŋ page. I think the page title should be reverted to the name that's in all of the sources, not the English translation, which is only provided as a footnote in the sources. Per WP:COMMONNAME, all of the sources are in English and still use the Dakota name, so the opera isn't known by the current name of the article, which is confusing. I did agree with your WP:CONCISE and WP:PRECISE reasoning for removing the phrasing after the colon, so a more appropriate name for the article may be just Mináǧi kiŋ dowáŋ. Pingnova (talk) 22:01, 7 November 2023 (UTC)


 * That's fair. Done. - UtherSRG (talk) 12:56, 8 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Awesome, thanks! Pingnova (talk) 20:02, 8 November 2023 (UTC)