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Non-breaking space on Cappuccino
Hi there, I mistakenly called it an en dash in the summary but the markup was actually needed to create a non-breaking space in order to keep the "2" and "cm" in the Cappuccino article connected. It prevents an automatic line break, meaning that it prevents the "2" from ending up at the end of a line, and "cm" only showing up on the next line. - Takeaway (talk) 13:43, 11 January 2015 (UTC)
 * Aha! Got it, thanks! Best wishes DBaK (talk) 16:48, 11 January 2015 (UTC)

Christchurch Grid reference
Hi DBAK, this site here [] gives the grid ref SZ 211 938 as somewhere in Highcliffe. Which strictly speaking is in the borough of Christchurch, yes. However, I would expect the grid reference of a town to be around the town centre. To be honest I hadn't checked but I know the grid refs of listed buildings near the High Street to be typically SZ 150 ??? to SZ 160 ???. The grid reference for the Mayor's Parlour (old town hall) is SZ 15790 92835.--Ykraps (talk) 00:26, 10 January 2015 (UTC)
 * Quite. Thanks for the reply. I screwed it up in a way I might be able to explain tomorrow morning after a nice coffee but not now. Sorry. Hint: bad parameter (I think ...), doesn't make it onto the page. I've reverted it - thanks for putting me right, good night and best wishes DBaK (talk) 01:27, 10 January 2015 (UTC)
 * Yes, this is a bit odd. If you look at the edit that introduced the SZ 211... grid ref, the location shown in the diff doesn't appear in the resultant article's infobox, rather a different (and reasonably accurate) one does. Is this because the infobox is rather than  ? (PS DBAK, I came here after reading your edit summary - I figured some personal talkpage chat must have occurred...) PaleCloudedWhite (talk) 01:52, 10 January 2015 (UTC)
 * Yes, that's odd indeed. I didn't look at the article, only the diff in history. I saw a figure beginning with 2 and reverted without further ado.--Ykraps (talk) 09:16, 10 January 2015 (UTC)
 * Ha, yes, I sort of did the same thing the other way round! I didn't realize it was an invisible/unusable parameter (PCW is absolutely right), so I looked at the previous diff, saw a viable OS GR there, and wrongly assumed that it had been put there by that particular edit! Doh. Thanks for your cooperation and given that we have now spent several hours of high-quality wiki-time on it I think I will shut up right now! Cheers DBaK (talk) 16:51, 11 January 2015 (UTC)

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Horn
When you return: can you write Corno da caccia? A redirect to French horn is nonsense. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:41, 20 January 2015 (UTC)
 * I don't think this can be me, Gerda, sorry and thanks. For about 93 good reasons. I'll email you. Cheers DBaK (talk) 18:08, 25 January 2015 (UTC)
 * Do you think the redirect should at least go to Natural horn? Corno da caccia to French Horn seems just wrong, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 18:30, 25 January 2015 (UTC)
 * Possibly. I see that the redirect goes to History but then Caccia is not mentioned there anyway. Yes, maybe natural - at least it is accurate. But how this should/can settle in the long term I can't imagine - it is quite a can of worms. DBaK (talk) 18:54, 25 January 2015 (UTC)


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Thank you
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Bongwarrior Thank you, DBAK. I wish that everyone was more like you. I knew that I sounded confrontational, I'm just exhausted with being ignored, neglected, and abused. Thank you for the support. I don't know how to retrieve the page, is it possible to do so? It's frustrating to have to do the citations again is all. Or how do I find the Google cache version, at least I can copy the bio from there. He deleted it before I even had a chance to get rejected / speedy deleted, and I have added many new citations. I'm hoping to get more support from reliable sources and I'm communicating with them now. Thanks again, you really stepped in at a great time. Chadpaul222 (talk) 22:30, 4 February 2015 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the message. At the moment, I can see a cached Google version of it here: http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:wCjUuF2JcTUJ:en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Brannon_Bates+&cd=11&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=uk ... in more general terms, if that does not work, try googling your subject, then find the listing in the return for the Wikipedia article. Under the big blue header line of text is a smaller green line with the URL. At the RH end of that green text is a down arrow - click it, and it should offer you "cached". Click that, and with luck you are looking at the article. Best wishes DBaK (talk) 22:38, 4 February 2015 (UTC)

Alloy wheels article
Hey, thanks for your explanation, it's the only decent answer I got so far! I just wanted to foloow up - if I understand right, that information should be published somewhere to be validated, but at the same time when I post it in Wikipedia it cannot be copy/paste. So it means that I should have the same content and 2 different versions? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Juli 88 (talk • contribs) 09:25, 5 February 2015 (UTC)

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A3
Cheers for the clarification - serves me right for editing when I couldn't sleep! EmyP (talk) 09:37, 16 February 2015 (UTC)
 * Ha! I am delighted to have helped. Have a nice cup of tea and an extra kip. Cheers DBaK (talk) 09:46, 16 February 2015 (UTC)

Re: GR
First, thank you for the note on my "Talk" page, which I still have no idea how it works...

I'm SUPER-new to this Wikipedia "editor" side of things...

Regarding my mentions in articles... What am I supposed to do?

(And yes, this is really me--thanks for the compliment on the video!)

I (Scott Erickson) am currently mentioned in three Wikipedia Articles:

( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grand_Rapids,_Michigan ) ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lip_dub ) ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Willie_the_Kid_(rapper) )

Shouldn't there be an article to connect these otherwise random mentions?

I have no interest in upsetting the "other editors."

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Rollback
I have [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special%3ALog&type=rights&user=&page=User%3ADisillusionedBitterAndKnackered granted] rollback rights to your account. After a review of some of your contributions, I believe you can be trusted to use rollback for its intended usage of reverting vandalism, and that you will not abuse it by reverting good-faith edits or to revert-war. For information on rollback, see New admin school/Rollback and Rollback feature. If you do not want rollback, contact me and I will remove it. Good luck and thanks. – Gilliam (talk) 21:37, 24 February 2015 (UTC)

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Thanks for helping me find the word!
It was Oubliette. Thanks! StainlessSteelScorpion (talk) 17:57, 1 March 2015 (UTC)
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Algernon Willis-Portsmouth
Dear DisillusionedBitterAndKnackered,

I'm curious about a statement (since removed) made in a previous edit of: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Algernon_Willis

"It was widely believed he was not made First Sea Lord because his wife was Prime Minister Clement Attlee's sister-in-law and Attlee felt such an appointment could look like nepotism."

It seems First Sea Lord would have been the normal progression, so such an explanation would be necessary (though possibly unconvincing). I can't find a reference, and I am researching another theory. Do you know where I might find more information regarding contemporary opinion on this matter?Cjsdavis (talk) 22:05, 4 March 2015 (UTC)


 * Replied at t'other end, thanks DBaK (talk) 15:59, 5 March 2015 (UTC)

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Nice userpage
hi there! I read this comment at Materialscientist's talkpage, which I stalk; intrigued by your username I took a look at your userpage; nice! Best regards,  Joshua Jonathan   -  Let's talk!   11:32, 18 March 2015 (UTC)

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Last Post
If someone keeps adding back a long rambling personal unencyclopedic commentary on the the topic of an article, it amounts to vandalism, even if it is sincere and not ""I LIKE PIE!" The user had already had his addition removed by Cluebot, so he had received the very polite automated notice with explanations about adding references and verifiability. He simply added his essay back to the article. It included unencyclopedic content as well as some statements which I can't determine the accuracy of. I did not feel it was a good use of time to remove the worst parts and tag the remainder as needing references, so they would remain in the article indefinitely thus tagged. It is up to the editor to find a reliable source for the new encyclopedic content.If you wish to research the topic and find references to verify those statements which would contribute to the article, and remove the inappropriate parts, please feel free to restore the content with those improvement, in such a way that any parts written by the new editor are credited to him. Regards. Edison (talk) 13:45, 27 March 2015 (UTC)
 * Replied at t'other end, thank you. DBaK (talk) 14:01, 27 March 2015 (UTC)

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Northern Rail talk article
Just a quick message to say thanks for your support over the vandalism and two accounts accusations. It seems that Epm-84 isn't very fond of my attempts to try and improve the article! Your support is much appreciated - Coradia175 (talk) 19:02, 6 April 2015 (UTC)
 * replied at t'other end thank you. DBaK (talk) 19:13, 6 April 2015 (UTC)


 * It appears there is indeed a source - however it's a massive PDF document - but he hasn't stated what page the information can be found on which is as much use as a one legged chair. Whilst the information is referenced (right at the bottom of the table!) no other TOC articles list the unit capacity info - a fact he bizarrely seems to think is invalid - even though I've given him two perfectly sound examples


 * I've noticed he is the only contributor to that page to insist it is included - I'd have thought if it was as much as an issue he makes it out to be then it would have been included long before now. I'll take the information he's added back out again in a day or two - his argument the routes should be removed because he's made the class column looked cramped with the additional column is poor


 * I don't like his attitude to be honest and I'm considering speaking to an admin because he hasn't even had the decency to apologise for accusing me of vandalism. I'm not certain how it works but is it possible to say something under WP:OWN? My reasoning behind it is unless the capacity is listed he doesn't like it - yet no other contributors to the page have complained about the lack of its inclusion previously. He's claimed on at least two occasions that other users have commented for his edits for "adding useful information" but I can't see any comments on his talk page! - Coradia175 (talk) 18:13, 7 April 2015 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the note. I'm sorry that you are having this trouble still. I think his WP:OWN issues are only part of the picture. I am badly placed to advise you, but the best recommendation I can make is that you maybe either or both: (a) mention it to who is an excellent admin AND a transport person; (b) raise it at WikiProject UK Railways which is a good place to try to get clarity on policy and what should and shouldn't be done across articles. Hope this helps, and best wishes DBaK (talk) 21:15, 7 April 2015 (UTC)
 * Thanks for your advice DBaK. I've raised it with Redrose64 and he suggested to raise it with WT:RAIL - so I've done that! Kind regards - Coradia175 (talk) 22:56, 7 April 2015 (UTC)

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Interesting...
Sorry to bother you again!

It appears another user has joined in on the debate about the Northern Rail fleetlist - but after checking the contributions of both users - I have a suspicion that Epm-84 (Contribs) and Hstudent (Contribs) are the same person. I understand from what you said earlier in that discussion that having two accounts is allowed - but surely using both of these accounts to make it look like more people support your argument isn't allowed? I'm not one for accusing people of things for no reason - but it does look a bit suspicious and if proven to be the case very hypocritical on his part for accusing me of using two accounts!

What do you think of it? I just thought it would be a sensible idea to get a second opinion from another user first before speaking to an administrator - just in case my suspicion about the situation proves to be wrong! Cheers - Coradia175 (talk) 00:12, 16 April 2015 (UTC)


 * Oh dear - sounds like a mess. I think it's beyond my knowledge or expertise to comment, but yes, while having two accounts can be OK, using two accounts to game the system would be a big nono - I would take it straight to a sympathetic admin and just informally say "what do you think about this?" Sorry to not help more, and good luck DBaK (talk) 07:18, 16 April 2015 (UTC)


 * Yeah - it was suspicious the moment I read it. Whilst I'm happy for people to disagree with me I think using two accounts to try and boost their side of the argument is not on - and I think anybody who is found to do this should be banned immediately. I've taken your advice and taken the situation to User:Mjroots who has helped me a few times in the past and given me useful advice. Thanks once again for your support - I'll let you know what happens! Cheers - Coradia175 (talk) 14:19, 16 April 2015 (UTC)
 * Looking suspiciously like a sockpuppet. Replied on my talk page. Mjroots (talk) 15:05, 16 April 2015 (UTC)

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Janner company directorship
Hi, following on from you r undoing my edit on this, I'm not sure if this is the right place for Talk but I think the statement is relevant. As a company director myself, and with a mother who has dementia, I know that there are legal obligations that ust be fulfilled by a company director, and that these are not possible if one has dementia to the extent described in the report by the DPP on their justification for not prosecuting. As such, I think this is relevant information that should be on the page. Tim — Preceding unsigned comment added by Smartcom (talk • contribs) 22:31, 19 April 2015 (UTC)


 * Hi Tim and thanks very much for the note. I agree that it is both interesting and relevant, but I'm not sure that we can use it in the form in which you had it. I'm not even sure that WP:OR is exactly what I mean, but it's something like that. Would you mind if I (or you!) took it to the article's Talk page? I think we could probably find a way forward there. Thanks and best wishes DBaK (talk) 07:01, 20 April 2015 (UTC)

The Guardian
Hi - as suggested I've added a discussion to the talk page re mentioning 'left-wing' in the intro. Ben Finn (talk) 09:10, 20 April 2015 (UTC)


 * Hi Ben that's brilliant, thanks very much. Best wishes DBaK (talk) 09:39, 20 April 2015 (UTC)

AN.I
Best wishes to you as well!!! :_) Hollowspaced (talk) 08:23, 23 April 2015 (UTC)


 * Thank you. DBaK (talk) 09:38, 23 April 2015 (UTC)

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West Pier copyedits
Thanks for that. Often when I've gone through an entire article and beefed it up, I need a day or two's rest and then look at it with a clear mind to spot little niggles. Bound to be a few other things lurking. I have a recent photo of what's left of the pier taken from the Palace Pier deck, but it's not very good quality. <b style="color:#7F007F">Ritchie333</b> <sup style="color:#7F007F">(talk) <sup style="color:#7F007F">(cont)  21:40, 1 May 2015 (UTC)
 * You're very very welcome: it's a pleasure to have helped. I've seen bits of its sad decline (the pier not the article) and I've watched the article with interest, and I am most appreciative of your brilliant editing spree there. Yes, I did wonder about a photo saying "this is it right now". I haven't been there a little while and I wonder how it now looks - even sadder, I suspect. Maybe if you put your photo in it might inspire someone to find something better ... ? Best wishes DBaK (talk) 21:58, 1 May 2015 (UTC)

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Dona
late, but not too late, DYK ... that Ernst Pepping's 1948 Missa Dona nobis pacem (grant us peace) for unaccompanied eight-part choir may have been the composer's "personal plea"? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 23:11, 9 May 2015 (UTC)

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Touché
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Shanti zxcv
Are you spying on me?? You changed almost everything I changed.. Why?? I'm just curios.. Cuz tho some of them are correct.. What's the matter? Shanti zxcv (talk) 14:52, 22 June 2015 (UTC)
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 * No, I am not. You came to my attention because of your edits on one article so I checked your other edits - we do that quite often. Please see your Talk page, which is here: User talk:Shanti zxcv - I have already sent you a welcome message, a comment on your edits, and a recommendation as to how to get started editing. Best wishes DBaK (talk) 16:10, 22 June 2015 (UTC)
 * Note: I changed the section header from "..." to this. DBaK (talk) 16:10, 22 June 2015 (UTC)
 * I'm pissed now.. But yeah.. Thanks! :) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Shanti zxcv (talk • contribs) 08:41, 23 June 2015 (UTC)


 * Do you mean "pissed" as in (BrE) "pissed off", i.e. "annoyed", or "pissed" as in (BrE) "pissed": "drunk"??? :) Cheers DBaK (talk) 09:44, 23 June 2015 (UTC)

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Keith D keeps adding development squad me,bers to teh Hull City 1st team page. Factually incorrect and they should not be on there. That is why they keep being removed... — Preceding unsigned comment added by 83.100.172.38 (talk) 07:43, 7 July 2015 (UTC)

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V1 revert
Hello, Please elaborate...It might not have needed correcting, but the edit did make it easier on the eyes while reducing total byte size. If anything, a revert was unnecessary. It sould be noted Im not here to argue, Im just curious to hear more of your side of it, as this is the first time a "syntax edit" I've made (which are quite numerous) has been reverted. Thank you.


 * I knew there had to be a technical reason, I was taught not to write out numbers larger than 13, but I don't think it is a universal teaching. Also, I was unaware "per cent" was British, which makes sense since I just thought it was an archaic form, but the context (targeting?) is indeed primarily British concerned. You'd be suprised, some people type "don't" in place of "doesn't", sometimes I confuse local variance as errors. Also, I, in retrospect, agree that it does look better when started with a word as opposed to numerals.

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User talk:31.54.45.234
My curiosity had been awakened by this IPs edits in various places and then I saw your comment on their tp. Do you also see a trend there? If there is one, is it pro or contra? Thoughts? --Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 12:12, 13 July 2015 (UTC)

Colney Hatch Park
Sorry, I kinda knew I was being sloppy as I wrote it, but couldn't summon the willpower to write what I perceived "nobody would read anyway" properly. Colney Hatch Park is the old name on the maps for New Southgate. of which I am resident. Have fixed it now. :)

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My extreme anti-British agenda
Thanks for the note. This editor seems to think that describing Tom Jones as British rather than Welsh is appropriate, which IMO is about as crazy as you could possibly get. I was searching for a guideline about noting peoples' nationalities when I first encountered this fellow's edits, because I'm also pretty sure there is one, but I couldn't find it. I'm not sure if ANI would be very useful in this case because (a) I'm an admin and (b) the user seems to change IP's often. However if you want to make a note there, feel free. Graham 87 09:20, 12 July 2015 (UTC)


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Should this be reverted, per this? 82.132.240.222 (talk) 04:08, 7 January 2017 (UTC)
 * Sort of, yes. Thanks for raising this. It seems perhaps a bit unfortunate to remove the whole image because of the objection to the logo, though I must say I have some sympathy with that objection: at the very best the logo in unnecessary, though I'm not quite sure I'd agree with the "paid ad" argument. Anyway, I have reverted that edit but suggested that the editor needs to do something better than simple deletion. I quite possibly don't have time/energy for much more but a discussion would be a start, and maybe someone else will find a more suitable image that shows the structure in the box without advertising a fizzy drink! Cheers DBaK (talk) 11:06, 7 January 2017 (UTC)
 * It seems fine now, whatever, after various interventions. I'm on a slow link and it's hard to see how it now looks but there seems to be an image of the structure (which I can't see right now!) and no logo, which seems fine to me. I won't be intervening again. Cheers DBaK (talk) 16:52, 7 January 2017 (UTC)

Titchwell
Hi, I saw your comment and I'll fix it since I'm the main editor. Unfortunately I'm going to be away in Norfolk for a few days (and probably going to Titchwell!) I'll try to remember, but if I forget and nobody else does it, give me a nudge, cheers <b style="font-family:Lucida;color:red">Jimfbleak</b> - talk to me?  19:29, 29 January 2017 (UTC)
 * Replied at t'other end thanks. DBaK (talk) 20:32, 29 January 2017 (UTC)

MOS numbers
Just to let you know, your change to the article "Rape during the occupation of Germany" (here) was correct, but for the wrong reasons. Please see MOS:SPELL09 for future reference as to conventions used for numerals in the body text. Cheers! --Iryna Harpy (talk) 20:56, 31 January 2017 (UTC)
 * Thanks very much for that. Best wishes DBaK (talk) 23:36, 31 January 2017 (UTC)

Juan García Ábrego
Hi DisillusionedBitterAndKnackered, thank you for reverting the unsourced updates of an IP user on Juan García Ábrego. Though it seemed like a vandalism edit, there are several sources (U.S. government ones) that claim he was born in La Paloma. He has two legal/official birth certificates from Matamoros, Mexico and La Paloma respectively, hence the confusion. Most sources maintain that he was born in Matamoros and his parents probably lied about his birth in Texas to register him as a U.S. citizen. The reason why he was extradited so quickly after he was arrested in Mexico was because the government used his U.S. citizenship to expel him from the country. I'll try to work on this later to have this info in the article. Thanks for your work so far! ComputerJA ( ☎  •  ✎  ) 02:09, 12 February 2017 (UTC)
 * Aha! Thanks for explaining. On seeing the progress of the edits and the lack of edit summary yes, I had assumed vandalism. I am glad you have your eyes on it too and I will leave it alone now and hope that good referencing will prevail! Cheers DBaK (talk) 02:14, 12 February 2017 (UTC)
 * You got it. Thanks for taking care of it. Hope you enjoy your weekend! Happy editing. ComputerJA ( ☎  •  ✎  ) 02:17, 12 February 2017 (UTC)
 * You too. I've explained/apologized to the IP. Thanks so much for the information and the nice attitude! Cheers DBaK (talk) 02:18, 12 February 2017 (UTC)

All Saints' Church, Shuart
Thanks for the attention, I had no idea there was a problem! And I'm sure I'd never have found out if you hadn't looked into it, I've never added the PastScape template myself. Sorry to steal your thunder, but I spotted something and it seems to be fixed now, if you want to check it out...? I switched "| postscript=" to "| mode=cs2" and added punctuation outside the template. I don't remember why right now, but I've found "| postscript=" useful before, I expect I'll remember why one day when I find I can't use it! Cheers. Nortonius (talk) 21:37, 17 February 2017 (UTC)
 * Brilliant, thanks. I didn't quite get it and I wasn't clear that CS2 was in use, but I'm delighted that it has worked out. Cheers DBaK (talk) 22:20, 17 February 2017 (UTC)

Gateshead lede
DisillusionedBitterAndKnackered I accidently signed in with another account on the Gateshead page.

Here is my reasoning for the reverting back to 'Gateshead lay in' on the Gateshead page, in case you think I'm in an edit war:

But before I give you my reasoning for taking down edit edit I'd like to use this source from en.oxforddictionaries.com. As you can see, according to this source, historic and historically are used in different ways:

Quote: ''Historic and historical are used in slightly different ways. Historic means ‘famous or important in history’, as in a historic occasion, whereas historical means ‘concerning history or historical events’, as in historical evidence; thus a historic event is one that was very important, whereas a historical event is something that happened in the past.''

Url: https://en.oxforddictionaries.com/usage/historic-or-historical.

So as you can clearly see from the above source, historic and historical have different uses... The edit of the IP assumes 'historical' has the same use as 'historic'; this is not so, at least according to the above source.

My reasoning for the revert: My problems is the loose usage of the term historical in the lede when there are also other documents that are 'historical' as in they too have historical evidence. So therefore, this is about equality of statement and neutrality of the lede. (Please note: I have no issue with the IP finding a place to put the term historically elsewhere in the document)

I believe we have three options if we want to reach a consensus:

1. We can leave the IP edit in, but this is clearly not equality of statement. The IP has gave a 'billing' and undue weight, to one statement over other statements. This leads to 'puffery' https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Manual_of_Style/Words_to_watch#Puffery and glitterballing. This could also lead to edit wars as another statement could also use the billing historically and also claim validity.

2. We can prefix the term historically to every statement that has evidence it is historical example historically part of x, historically part of y, historically part of z... and so on. This is equality of statement and neutral. However this is a repetitive use of the term historically, which is an annoyance.

3. We can use other descriptions without billing to keep the lede neutral.

I'm not that good at wiki. On the Gateshead talk page a couple of month ago I asked for some mediation and got none. Perhaps you could help. Btw I completely agree that the statement Gateshead lay in County Durham is not good enough and it does not look like it is finished. The lede of 'Gateshead lay in' is a small matter. I'd like to see a consensus. What do you think the sentence should be?Barkleave09 (talk) 13:23, 2 March 2017 (UTC)


 * Hello and thank you for the interesting message. I am not sure that I can be of much help to you here; I don't have strong enough feelings on the topic and it all seems to fall rather above my pay grade! I will try to have another look later. I think it should probably be oin the article's Talk page, and I wonder if there is some procedure - formal or otherwise - that should be invoked to get us towards an agreed consensus on that page? With best wishes DBaK (talk) 13:22, 2 March 2017 (UTC)

Shoreham aircrash
The AAIB report will be released at midday. Mjroots (talk) 08:20, 3 March 2017 (UTC)

Account/IP user
Hi DBaK. Thanks for the compliment on my IP talk page. I used to have an account back in around 2005-7 but got tired of all the arguing with people who didn't appear to know anything about the subjects but thought they did, so I stopped editing articles and merely add information to talk pages for someone else to incorporate. I have read quite a bit on many and varied subjects over the years and so much of what I add is from memory, and as I cannot remember all the titles of the books I have read, I cannot in many cases provide references. That's why I only add to the talk pages.

No, you are not an awful person for mentioning I should get an account. Regards. User talk:95.149.173.13 —Preceding undated comment added 12:09, 4 March 2017 (UTC)


 * Replied at t'other end, thanks. DBaK (talk) 12:14, 4 March 2017 (UTC)


 * I got it. Thanks. Best wishes to you too. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 95.149.173.13 (talk) 12:53, 4 March 2017 (UTC)

Collaborations of the month April 2017
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Reply
"Hello. I don't understand what's going on. You asked a question: I attempted to answer it and deal with your concerns and I asked you for some further information to help clarify those concerns. Now you appear to have decided to ignore me. It is perhaps a mistake or something but I am baffled as to what is going on. Would you care to explain, please, and perhaps put my mind at rest? Thanks and best wishes, DBaK (talk) 23:40, 14 March 2017 (UTC)"

I guess this is the only way to give you an answer.

Yes I saw the changes and thanks for making them.

I may have used 'link' as a generic term. Don't worry.

--Michou 13 (talk • contribs) 23:53, 2 April 2017 (UTC)


 * Replied at t'other end thanks. DBaK (talk) 07:13, 3 April 2017 (UTC)

hi
Hello, Please tell me wat u think of wikipedia ASAP! Thank you. Eagle2468 (talk) 11:04, 6 April 2017 (UTC)

Thx
Thank you for the reply, DBAK!Eagle2468 (talk) 12:33, 14 April 2017 (UTC)
 * Replied at t'other end, thanks. DBaK (talk) 19:26, 14 April 2017 (UTC)

Liberty Elementary
hello, you've seen me before. On the topic of my edits to Liberty Elementary, I fully see your perspective and view which is quite clear but Is like to tell you that before, that article was a stub and had nothing. At least I added something, but as your wish, I will discontinue edits in that article.

--SkrubDude (talk • contribs) 15:38, 16 April 2017 (UTC)
 * Replying at t'other end, thanks.

Disillusioned? Bitter? And Knackered?
My brother ! (or sister, as the case may be) LOL Dloh  cierekim  22:09, 20 April 2017 (UTC)
 * Ha! Yes, it's hard work being all 3 at once, eh? Cheers DBaK (talk) 22:10, 20 April 2017 (UTC)

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Mistake revert?
Hey! I reverted your edit which might have been done as a mistake. The editor who made the changes prior to your revert added a misleading edit summary. I've posted a soft-warning on the talk page of the editor so hopefully they stop doing that. P.S. Throwback to when you "zapped" a mistake I made :D Jiten Dhandha  •  talk  •  contributions  • 21:28, 9 May 2017 (UTC)
 * Wow, good catch, thanks! Yup fair point re the checking - I should practise what I preach. Cheers DBaK (talk) 07:24, 10 May 2017 (UTC)

Precious five years!
--Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:25, 12 May 2017 (UTC)


 * Thank you Gerda, you are too kind. DBaK (talk) 08:02, 12 May 2017 (UTC)

ps: it's a modest (but important) trumpet part in Meine Seel erhebt den Herren, BWV 10, if you know more about it, please add, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:27, 12 May 2017 (UTC)


 * Nice - I will have a look! I have some nice Ascension Day tootling coming up so will enjoy that. DBaK (talk) 08:02, 12 May 2017 (UTC)

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got jokes?
a reference to Vicky Pollard? Chris Troutman ( talk ) 08:26, 13 June 2017 (UTC)
 * Yup. She's often in the back of my mind when I am trying to adopt a reasonable tone of voice with people ... :) DBaK (talk) 09:53, 13 June 2017 (UTC)

Having a break
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Just to clear something up.
Sorry, I did not mean to offend. I was just trying to be more specific. I do not judge the content and quality of a book/graphic novel due to the nationality of the creators. Again, sorry for the confusion it was not my intent to offend. I am new to this website and so not yet used to its settings/capabilities. Thank you for reading. --Firenz1234 (talk • contribs) 15:16, 27 July 2017 (UTC)
 * Thanks, no offence at all, replied properly at t'other end thank you DBaK (talk) 20:26, 27 July 2017 (UTC)

Cheers.
Thank you, I'm not to bothered about changing the article again and have no problems with the comic being American (which of course it is (as the comic company that funded the Watchmen series is DC (an American comic company))). Thanks for replying so quickly, and is entirely my fault for forgetting to use the edit summary. I've had a multitude of accounts but always forget the password but thought the edit summary was optional. (I will remember to fill it out in the future). Thanks for your help.
 * You're very welcome - happy editing! Cheers DBaK (talk) 12:56, 28 July 2017 (UTC)

A little bit of appreciation...
Hey! This isn't related to any recent edit or anything, so it might seem "out of the blue". Thank you for your amazing contributions to Wikipedia and patience towards new editors (often giving them very helpful advice). And above all, keep up your splendid sense of humour (your last reply here is among my favourite replies of all time). It seems a bit weird saying this, as someone with far less edits than you (ahem... about 20,000 less), but I suppose a little bit of appreciation never goes astray... On a lighter note, I hope you didn't mind me stalking your archives. And for your troubles, I've placed this great image I came across to lighten up the rest of your day. Jiten Dhandha •  talk  •  contributions  • 21:57, 28 July 2017 (UTC)
 * Thank you so much for your very kind comments. I really really appreciate your taking the time and trouble. And I love the cow! Thanks and best wishes DBaK (talk) 22:30, 28 July 2017 (UTC)


 * (friendly) That reply is so ingenious that it should be shown here because linking to archives is not static.


 * The distant, vaguely rhythmical thudding which you can hear is my head meeting my desk. I make lots of mistakes but this one was multilayered and splendid in its complexity and stupidity. I now require tea. Excuse me. Best wishes DBaK (talk) 4:06 pm, 16 September 2015, Wednesday (1 year, 10 months, 13 days ago) (UTC+1)
 * &#160;Cheers! Gareth&#160;Griffith&#8209;Jones ( The Welsh Buzzard ) 08:54, 29 July 2017 (UTC)

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Cragside
Oh God - the above fills me with foreboding! It's just the kind of thing which causes enthusiasm for this place to drain away. But- as you well know, having been around for substantially longer than I, it can be a great place to do some work. As to Cragside, it is an amazing house, with an incredible history, and it deserves an FA. I really like collaborations on Wikipedia and, if you're interested, I'd be delighted to work with you to try to achieve that. It would involve a considerable effort, and there's a deal of work required, but it's completely achievable. The house is well-sourced, and I've got quite a lot of them, though I will have to drag the Henrietta Heald out of the attic. I don't have the Ken Smith, do you? I should add two caveats - I have to finish Chartwell, which may provide some hints as to how we could proceed, and I've already suggested another collaboration to another editor. If he wants to take it up, that would take priority. Those aside, I'd be really excited to take it on, and to work with you to improve it. I am very flexible as to how we would work, and happy to take a lead from you. Let me know. I fully appreciate FA is not everybody's cup of tea and, if the idea doesn't appeal, just say. But "the fairy palace of a modern magician" does merit a Featured Article. All the best. KJP1 (talk) 20:54, 4 September 2017 (UTC)
 * Hello and apologies for the slow reply. I should start by saying that I am incredibly flattered that you would want to work with me: thank you for asking me. Whilst it is true that I have been around here about an internet century (first edit mid-September 2002), I do not think of myself as a very serious editor compared with some of my friends and contacts here, and I've never had any involvement with the rarified atmosphere of GA, FA or even INA (Important Northern Article). I tend more just to fiddle with things, correct the spelling of Middlesbrough, and argue about minutiae, in which arguments I seem to almost always end up getting it wrong. I am very very tempted to get seriously involved with the Cragside article but I do fear that it would all end in tears. To my sometimes-horror, sometimes-joy I am still working full-time and, it being the first week of September, I've just gone back to work. So whilst I can legitimately (honest!) find these few minutes to reply to you, I am generally short of time except in the holidays, when my brain turns to cottage cheese and I like to float in things, such as swimming pools and glasses or lakes of wine, or just unconnected thoughts. Being honest with myself and with you I can see that I would not really have the time to do a good job - or, in truth, much of a job at all - on an FA campaign for this important article.


 * So, I think I am going to have to say a very grateful and polite No Thank You, or at least for the time being. I am, though, intrigued by the subject and by the possibility of the article being further developed and improved. Perhaps the most immediate manifestation of this is that, as I did not have the Heald or Smith titles you mentioned, I've now bought them both and will at least be able to look at what you or others are using as sources. I'm pretty sure we will have some more sources at home but I have not had a proper look yet. I suppose what I am saying is that I will continue to watch the article, will be delighted to see it improve, and if I can help in some small way then I will - but not as a principal editor, or anything approaching it, in the foreseeable future, though retirement is, I am told, a different country. Thank you again for your most kind offer and I do hope that I can do better some other day. With all good wishes DBaK (talk) 10:34, 5 September 2017 (UTC)
 * , Absolutely no apology necessary. You're quite right - FA does require a significant commitment of time. I shall see how the other projects I've got on the go pan out and then, time permitting, will have a look at expanding Cragside. At that point, your input will be very much appreciated. With best regards. KJP1 (talk) 13:24, 5 September 2017 (UTC)
 * - lovely - I will look forward to that. Thanks for your understanding. Best wishes DBaK (talk) 14:21, 5 September 2017 (UTC)
 * - You're back! So, I think it's good for Peer Review. That ok with you? KJP1 (talk) 10:25, 17 September 2017 (UTC)
 * - Yes I am, and yes it is. I did the "an hydraulic" thing after TR's comments - hope you don't mind! I've also commented at the Talk page. You, Sir, have done a fine fine job. Cheers DBaK (talk) 10:28, 17 September 2017 (UTC)
 * - does PR mean I should stop editing it?? Little things, bigger things, cutoff points for needing TP discussion?? DBaK (talk) 10:29, 17 September 2017 (UTC)
 * - Absolutely not, edit away. PR doesn't require that the article is completely stable, although FA does require there are no ongoing edit wars. And it could sit at PR for quite a while without generating much interest. Although I have high hopes for Cragside - its historical firsts and importance, as well as its architecture, should attract attention. As may Armstrong's fortune deriving from arms sales, of course! KJP1 (talk) 10:36, 17 September 2017 (UTC)
 * - That's great, thank you very much for the clarification. And if I edit stupidly please just put me right. I am good at some things and NOT others ... and yes, I thinkhope it will attract attention in one way or another - super Neuschwanstein oop t'North AND evil arms creator - what a tasty offering! Best wishes DBaK (talk) 10:41, 17 September 2017 (UTC)

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Cragside
Hello, and I hope you are well. Our ship is launched, here, Peer review/Cragside/archive1 and we can now anxiously wait to see how it fares. Shall we play the responses to comments by ear? The only important thing is that we do so promptly. All the best. KJP1 (talk) 18:50, 31 October 2017 (UTC)
 * Hello, and thanks very much for this. I am fine, thanks, and hope that you are too. I agree on the playing by ear, and yes promptness is always a good thing. Gosh. I am very excited by all this, never having been involved in such a process. Thank you for inviting me in. Best wishes DBaK (talk) 21:07, 31 October 2017 (UTC)
 * I should have said, PR can be slow. If we don't get a bite or two shortly, I see if I can rustle up a couple of commentators. KJP1 (talk) 19:09, 7 November 2017 (UTC)
 * Fine and thank you very much - all noted. Cheers DBaK (talk) 21:03, 7 November 2017 (UTC)

RSPB Minsmere
Thanks for your edits to this, especially as I'm intending to take it to WP:FAC eventually. I'm waiting for Axell's 1977 book to arrive before I can finalise the content, but your help in clearing my infelicities is appreciated <b style="font-family:Lucida;color:red">Jimfbleak</b> - talk to me?  16:58, 12 November 2017 (UTC)
 * Thank you so much! Replied properly at t'other end. Best wishes DBaK (talk) 20:10, 12 November 2017 (UTC)

How far?
The distance moved by the abbey in my original source was two miles, clearly an approximation. The current ref is to Historic England, which has 3.37 km, and I note that in an edit summary you suggest 3.2 km. Is there a case for changing from the HE figure? HE makes it obvious that the remaining ruined chapel is later than the abbey, not always made clear from other sources. I can't find a date as such for the chapel, although HE implies that it was built shortly after or during the move. Should I say that, just add "medieval" or leave completely undated? <b style="font-family:Lucida;color:red">Jimfbleak</b> - talk to me?  07:30, 14 November 2017 (UTC)
 * - Interesting! Thanks for the note. On the distance, I suspected that EH's 3.37 might be an overexact conversion or two from ~2 miles back and forth a couple of times. I measured it very carefully on Google Earth but then I am not a reliable source, so it's some sort of OR perhaps! (Though replicable by all, so I am not sure where that leaves it. Still OR probably.)
 * Addendum a minute or two later: of course, what I mean is that I think I did it precisely. But we don't know exactly how precise is GE's measuring tool. Also, I measured from the chancel at Leiston to the centre of the Minsmere chapel ... but suppose that's a bad idea and HE are talking about site edge to edge, gate to gate, or dorter to dorter, or between the abbot's wine cellars?! (If Premonstratensians had them ... did they?) It can be less precise than I'd hoped, is what I suppose I am saying ...
 * One easy solution might be to go back to "about two miles", which I feel is a very correct concept and contains all the precision that anyone needs. It would convert to 3.2 km and maybe everyone would be happy. I am not sure that it matters, at all, if we say it is 2 or 2.1 miles or whatever ... that it moved ~2 miles is maybe all we need. If you want to stay precise then I think you should go back to the HE figure as it is more easily supported than my messing around with Google Earth! Maybe round it to 3.4 as I honestly think that the last tens of metres are irrelevant? But YMMV. Edit away, I won't object. You have done far too much work on this to have me arguing with you about 0.0x km distances and decimal points.
 * Sorry not to be more decisive with this. I keep trying to think what, if I were uninvolved, I would like to see in the perfect encyclopaedia entry, and I realize that I am not sure!
 * On the chapel date. Well, I think it would be good to acknowledge its suspected age, though I do see what you mean about HE hedging its bets a bit! Is it possible to get something in that uses the HE idea of the precinct and chapel being "retained" as a detached part of the main abbey ... with the implication, I think, that this "retention" was a contemporary decision/act? I think it is fair to recycle what HE have said on the date, though clearly we must be careful to go no further and draw their conclusions for them!
 * Thanks for asking for my view. I'm flattered that anyone would think me worth asking! Cheers DBaK (talk) 08:16, 14 November 2017 (UTC)
 * Thanks, any form of self measurement, even if reproducible, would be challenged at FAC as OR. I agree that "two miles" would be ideal, but we are required to give a conversion, so I think I'll have to stick with HE, but rounded off as you suggest. The "retained" in the HE chapel section I took to mean what is retained in the existing ruins from the original structure. The chapel is described as a later structure, and I'm not sure that it could have been part of the former abbey given that it is located in the nave of the church. I don't suppose a building within a building is impossible, but it seems unlikely. I think I'll settle for "medieval" and see what happens. I'll add the HE map as an EL, feel free to remove if you think it's unnecessary
 * The abbey would certainly have wine, if only for the eucharist, but I think probably to drink as well. The catholic church has never had the same problem with alcohol as the protestants. we are also talking about a time when it was common to drink weak beer even for breakfast because it was less dangerous than water... <b style="font-family:Lucida;color:red">Jimfbleak</b> - talk to me?  12:02, 14 November 2017 (UTC)

Response to your Comment
1. I've made multiple edits on five articles in the past few days. I went through them all one by one and could not find any of my edits having been changed at all, which is why I asked. It did not occur to me that I would have an alert appearing on my account now to tell me that he reverted an edit over a year ago. 2. MaterialScientist was able to speak for himself when he left me the message. I do not know what has befallen him since then that you now need to be his mouthpiece, but please extend my condolences to him/his loved ones. 3. If people's questions to other editors irritate you to the extent that you cannot resist the urge to be snarky, you could always consider minding your own business. Thanks and best wishes Lib2003 (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 09:00, 15 November 2017 (UTC)
 * Some people... <b style="font-family:Lucida;color:red">Jimfbleak</b> - talk to me?  10:35, 15 November 2017 (UTC)
 * Please understand that uninvolved parties responding on talk pages is a product of our adhocracy. DisillusionedBitterAndKnackered was trying to help advance the conversation beyond your inability to recognize which edit was being referred to. Attacking him as if you were having a private conversation with Materialscientist is inappropriate. Further, since you're a new and inexperienced editor, I'd recommend assuming good faith and giving long-term editors the benefit of the doubt that they actually know better than you. You could learn something. Chris Troutman  ( talk ) 10:46, 15 November 2017 (UTC)
 * Thanks, and  for your responses. I don't think I have anything that needs adding to this. Best wishes DBaK (talk) 11:34, 15 November 2017 (UTC)

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Minsmere
I have a 40-odd page "Minsmere Scrapbook" pdf which is quite interesting, although apart from extracts from Axell, it's mostly not RS. email me if you would like a copy. I have a digital subscription to BB as well as print, but it's on pocketmags, so it's not transferable unfortunately. BB largely give open access, but not for the most recent four years. <b style="font-family:Lucida;color:red">Jimfbleak</b> - talk to me?  15:30, 22 November 2017 (UTC)
 * All noted/done, thanks. DBaK (talk) 07:21, 24 November 2017 (UTC)

Stuff
Your second bolded quote on your user page came to mind with this posting. It's interesting to see the prof's talk page before he blanked it too. Anyway, what I really came to say is that I'll probably write an article on Bert Axell next since I've obviously got plenty on his Minsmere days, and I've ordered his autobiography. I hadn't realised that he was consulted about major wetlands like the Doñana National Park and Mai Po Marshes. The latter is a great reserve, but slightly daunting because it's in the Frontier Closed Area and permit -only access is through a gate in a security fence. <b style="font-family:Lucida;color:red">Jimfbleak</b> - talk to me?  14:33, 27 November 2017 (UTC)
 * Gosh. There really are some, er, interesting people around on Wikipedia. I will look forward to seeing your work on Axell - that would be intriguing. Best wishes DBaK (talk) 20:13, 27 November 2017 (UTC)

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Cragside
BB's arrived! KJP1 (talk) 16:16, 29 November 2017 (UTC)
 * All hands on deck! Man the pumps! Save the furniture! Thanks KJP1, I've had a go. You'd better pop in and check I have not broken too many things with my size 10 wellies. Cheers DBaK (talk) 17:38, 29 November 2017 (UTC)
 * Also, pardon my French but this was a bl**dy awful time for me to realize that I don't fully understand the use of a "proper" referencing method such as that used in this article. (I've only been here 15 years ... very slow learner, and coward to boot.) Fortunately, I only had to copy a ref rather than create on so I may have got away with it. But, sheesh, I really ought to know this stuff as it badly inhibits my ability to participate in grown-up articles. Ho hum! DBaK (talk) 17:41, 29 November 2017 (UTC)
 * A grand job! Nothing for me to do. A long time ago, a very patient editor taught me sfn and now it's the only one I can use, having quite forgotten harv and being absolutely hopeless with the little Reference icon. It is actually very simple when one gets used to it. Practice being key, would you like to pick up Schrocat's comments when they come! Best regards. KJP1 (talk) 18:00, 29 November 2017 (UTC)
 * Ha, thanks, and yes of course I would! So far I have only ever used the little automated toolbar thingy but its entire philosophy, or structure, or something, seems different from how we do it in say Cragside. So yes, I should learn to do it properly. :) DBaK (talk) 18:12, 29 November 2017 (UTC)
 * Many thanks. Great responses to the PR comments and I hope you enjoyed it! I've made a couple of suggestions on my Talkpage as to possible ways to address Schrocat's outstanding points. See what you think. Then, I think we are good to go to FAC. If no particular time suits you better than any other, we should probably go while the iron's hot. We'll almost certainly get comments from Tim, Brian and Schrocat, and we shouldn't need many more to get it over the line. FAC can be, but isn't always, a little more brutal than the collegiate atmosphere of PR but that all adds to the fun! All the best. KJP1 (talk) 21:37, 30 November 2017 (UTC)
 * Thank you! Yes I have enjoyed it immensely, thank you. I've actioned (gah!) those Talkpage items - you'll see my notes there. And yes, please feel free to go whenever. A hot iron gathers no moss! Cheers DBaK (talk) 23:36, 30 November 2017 (UTC)
 * I think a footnote on inglenooks is an excellent idea. They are a little obscure and were rather a speciality of Our Norman. I'll go through Saint this evening and see what I can find. KJP1 (talk) 06:46, 1 December 2017 (UTC)
 * Well, that turned out to be quite profitable! KJP1 (talk) 07:36, 1 December 2017 (UTC)
 * Oh brilliant, well done!! 08:45, 1 December 2017 (UTC)
 * Now, you've got me going mad on footnotes! Would you like to push it on to FAC before I add any more? The instructions are pretty straightforward, but give me a shout if you need anything. You'll need a little blurb to introduce it, either adapt the one I did for PR, or write your own. The key thing is to have a hook or two, to hopefully excite some interest. The first, the best, the most awful etc. We will also need to close the PR, which I can do if you'd prefer. Then, in an admirable habit picked up from Brian, I tend to drop notes on the Talkpages of PR contributors thanking them for their comments and giving them the link to the FAC. As to comments, like PR, it can be slow. But, as and when they arrive, we can divide up the responding as per the PR. It's been an absolute pleasure, and I'm so glad you've enjoyed it. If we make it, it will be very satisfying to get the house its little gold star. All the best. KJP1 (talk) 18:38, 1 December 2017 (UTC)

Thanks very much for that, ; I would be honoured to take it to FAC. Just on the timing, I agree that quick is good but I might not manage it tonight; is that OK? Also, does the PR have to be closed before the FAC is started? I was just thinking about the timing of needing the FAC to exist before you can thank PR people ... or am I not getting it somewhere? Thanks! DBaK (talk) 21:29, 1 December 2017 (UTC)
 * No, whenever works for you, today, tomorrow, next week. And you are quite right. The order should be - close the PR - open the FAC - do the notes. Just shout if you need anything. Regards. KJP1 (talk) 06:30, 2 December 2017 (UTC)
 * Ah, should have looked at the PR first. I see we've further comments from Harry and Ceoil. Which is great, and should help us enormously in getting the required number of Supports at FAC, but obviously we need to respond to those first, then close the PR etc. Either pick them up yourself, or I can do them, but not until later as I'm busy this morning. All the best, KJP1 (talk) 06:37, 2 December 2017 (UTC)
 * Thanks very much for both messages . I am chugging along with a few tasks today and have looked into the PR and article a bit so far but might not manage the extended session it deserves. I will try to get there more later but if you get there first please just go ahead. So far I have responded to HJ's points - I think my responses are mostly OK but I was less sure of one or two and would appreciate, as ever, your casting an eye over any of my more obvious stupidities! I must say that I had not really appreciated how much trouble people would go to. It is quite moving. And to think that when the NT first acquired Cragside for the nation I remember being not all that interested because my family were essentially Ruins Snobs and I couldn't really see the point in something that was just some house from my Granny's era! (ahem, if not her class, income bracket an ting!) Thanks and best wishes DBaK (talk) 10:08, 2 December 2017 (UTC)

Cragside - arbitrary section break
Hi - I guess you'll have seen the above. The update is that I am I think up to date on the PR, but I was not sure what to do with Ceoil's query about the lead image size. It's slightly ironical given this is the photo that triggered the current fun and games! So I wondered if you could please have a look - I am really unclear about the interaction between the lead pic, what's a good size, the infobox etc. I'm sure that you know this stuff inside out, but I certainly don't. My only other query is that it looks like Gerda is planning to review as well but has something else to do first. Your project and your call but I have a lot of time for Gerda and her work, and if she were able to help then great; presumably if it doesn't work timewise then we could still hope to see her at FAC? Please advise. Cheers DBaK (talk) 13:58, 2 December 2017 (UTC)
 * Images aren't my strong point either and FAC can be picky on these things. But I've copied what Ceoil did here, Saint Fin Barre's Cathedral, and, provided people don't object to the layout, and that it displays alright on other devices, we should be ok. Re. Gerda, she can indeed provide useful input and I've no problem waiting. I'll let her know we plan to head to FAC next week, and ask for her comments there if she can't make the PR. All the best. KJP1 (talk) 16:09, 2 December 2017 (UTC)
 * Brilliant, thanks very much. The larger pic looks nice (as does Saint Fin Barre's Cathedral!) and I absolutely approve of your nicking Ceoil's technique ... not broke >>> don't fix! It looks fine on my Wretched Young Persons' Mobile Telephonic Computing Device&trade; too. And great also re Gerda. Cheers! DBaK (talk) 16:57, 2 December 2017 (UTC)
 * Yes, it's all looking pretty good, and we've had some great input at PR. Very productive, Wiki at its best and quite the opposite of "a graveyard of creativity"! KJP1 (talk) 17:07, 2 December 2017 (UTC)
 * Ha, quite. I'm so used to the other model that I'd forgotten a nice place exists too. :) DBaK (talk) 17:55, 2 December 2017 (UTC)
 * Do you use email on here? If you do, could you mail me. KJP1 (talk) 23:05, 5 December 2017 (UTC)
 * Yes, and done. Best wishes DBaK (talk) 07:26, 6 December 2017 (UTC)

Note
Thank you for the feedback regarding the proper channels for communication here. My apologies for the edit I made to your page. Cheers! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Romashkowi (talk • contribs) 21:04, 8 December 2017 (UTC)
 * Replied at t'other end, thanks. :) DBaK (talk) 00:10, 9 December 2017 (UTC)

Cragside PR
As ever with these things, closing the PR is a teensy bit more complicated than one would hope. But I think it's archived now, and the FAC looks splendidly set up. And our first support within 30 minutes! Way to go! Do you want me to drop notes on the PR contributor pages? KJP1 (talk) 15:52, 13 December 2017 (UTC)
 * oh yes, that would be great, thanks. I must confess that I thought the PR was already closed! I will go and look and see what formalities you had to undertake. Thanks and best wishes DBaK (talk) 15:53, 13 December 2017 (UTC)
 * Will do. The PR Instructions give two templates that you need to put on the Article Talkpage, and the Article PR page. Once you place these, the former puts the Closed PR Notice on the Talkpage, and the latter tees up the bot to close the PR on the main PR page. I've done them both, but you'll want to know for your next PR! Now, off to see what NM says about the Magician image. We may have to replace it. KJP1 (talk) 16:03, 13 December 2017 (UTC)
 * No, fortunately we don't. Nikki's early Image Review is very helpful. We shall also need a Sources review, unless someone does one unsolicited. Brian B often obliges. As and when we do, we can go through the request process together. KJP1 (talk) 16:11, 13 December 2017 (UTC)
 * Thank you notes all sent. KJP1 (talk) 16:39, 13 December 2017 (UTC)

, thanks very much for all the above. I've done a little bit more at FAC, but am still a little strangled for time. And sleep. I'm about to leave you a note about the Krupps usage on your Talk page. Cheers DBaK (talk)

Cragside FAC
Well, six Supports and an Image Review within 24 hours of your posting it. Not bad for the over-modest DBK. Work doesn't permit me to do much tomorrow but I'll get to the rest of Tim's and Cassianto's comments on Saturday if you haven't got there before me. We do need a Sources review and I'll ask Brian if he can pick this up. Or we can apply through the normal channels. But it's looking pretty healthy. With sincere thanks and best regards. KJP1 (talk) 01:14, 15 December 2017 (UTC)
 * Oh, note to selves. We mustn't forget Johnbod's prices comment, which we can weave into the footnote. KJP1 (talk) 07:21, 15 December 2017 (UTC)
 * Great, thanks very much for that, and yes re the pricing note. I too have a bit of a day on today, so I will be looking again at all this when I next have time, which is probably tomorrow. Thanks again, it's been very very interesting. Cheers DBaK (talk) 07:31, 15 December 2017 (UTC)

got a message from you but...
I got the following email: "‪DisillusionedBitterA...‬ left a message on your talk page. 	View message ‪DisillusionedBi...‬  View changes

But clicking through both to my talk page and yours didn't get me to a message. Or am I misunderstanding something about how talk works? Andrew (talk) 14:31, 16 December 2017 (UTC)
 * Hi Andrew! No, it's all good. The system is using a slightly lazy shorthand for "Left a message or fiddled with in any other (possibly annoying) way", because what I actually did - with apologies for the uninvited intervention (tsk!!) - was to sort out your header levels a bit so that the page read more easily and the ToC worked properly. We don't normally edit others' Talk pages in this way but there were good reasons why I felt this was probably OK on balance. The clue to a bit of bafflement like this is often in the page history, so if you click the "History" tab while on your Talk page you while find you are looking at all the changes made to your page and then all will be clear. If the editor has left a useful edit summary - like wot I done - then you might get the whole picture in one; otherwise, you can click one of the "prev" items along at the left - this will show you a useful screen which makes clear (usually!) what has changed in that edit, thus.
 * I hope that this is helpful. Some time in the next few days there will, by the way, be a Grand Reveal in which I dramatically say hello to you IRL although it will be a lot less dramatic if you already know exactly who I am ... in which case, thank you for not IDing me as I sort of like my sort of anonymity. Cheers (and see you soon) DBaK (talk) 19:26, 16 December 2017 (UTC)

Bert Axell
Thanks for your edits there. I'll try to expand eventually, but the pressures of WP;TFA and RL aren't leaving me much time at the moment. <b style="font-family:Lucida;color:red">Jimfbleak</b> - talk to me?  07:29, 17 December 2017 (UTC)
 * thanks - I'm glad you don't mind me messing about with it! Cheers DBaK (talk) 18:01, 17 December 2017 (UTC)

RSPB Minsmere
Now promoted, thanks for your great help with this. I'll leave it until after Christmas before i decide what to do next. <b style="font-family:Lucida;color:red">Jimfbleak</b> - talk to me?  14:43, 17 December 2017 (UTC)
 * - Congratulations! That's great news, you've done a superb job, and I have greatly enjoyed my involvement. Well done and enjoy your well-earned break! Best wishes DBaK (talk) 18:02, 17 December 2017 (UTC)

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Arthur Sullivan
As no good deed goes unpunished, we are alerting everyone who was kind enough to contribute to the peer review on Sullivan (I copied your comment from my talk page to the PR page) that Ssilvers and I now have the article up for FAC. If you have the time and inclination to look in, we shall be most grateful.  Tim riley  talk    12:06, 14 December 2017 (UTC)
 * thank you! I am flattered by the request and will participate to the best of my limited abilities. I have a couple of minor ideas but no time right now to organize a proper response ... I will, somehow. On Good Deeds may I respectfully point out that I have, in fact, already been punished - I listened to Ivanhoe. Right through. There is or should be a UN Convention on this kind of thing! Thanks and best wishes DBaK (talk) 13:19, 14 December 2017 (UTC)
 * Well, you beat me hands down. I've had the Chandos recording since more or less its original date of issue, but have never quite managed to get through it all. You'd much better listen to Iolanthe, The Mikado or, if you want "serious" Sullivan the Irish Symphony, which is not quite Beethoven but is full of good tunes. Meanwhile I shall arrange for KJP1 to slap your wrists if you persist in running down your own abilities. I have seen quite a bit of your fine work, and there's no call for false modesty. No rush on the review, by the bye. You know how leisurely the FAC process can (rightly) be.  Tim riley  talk    16:14, 14 December 2017 (UTC)
 * Thank you very much for your very kind comments and yes, Ivanhoe ... gosh. I do know and love several of the comic operas, thanks, having attended a school which did lovely joint productions with its sister school all through my teenage years, requiring the services of someone who played, or at least owned, a trumpet. What fun! (And gurls. I was most surprised.) I will most certainly give the Irish Symphony a try, thank you; I am starting from a Good Place in that after Ivanhoe things can only get better. With all good wishes DBaK (talk) 16:26, 14 December 2017 (UTC)
 * No, no! Things can get worse:  a new recording of The Light of the World is coming out soon, I believe!  Thanks also from me.  -- Ssilvers (talk) 11:32, 15 December 2017 (UTC)
 *  : In tiny voice: uh-oh. Thanks - you've made my day! :) Best wishes DBaK (talk) 15:54, 15 December 2017 (UTC)

You see: I told you not to be so modest: quite apart from your other helpful points you have shown two novices how to use the inflation converter. Thank you, DBaK!  Tim riley  talk    18:21, 19 December 2017 (UTC)
 * That's very kind of you, and it was a pleasure to help. I'm very surprised to find that I know more about a template than anyone here, but if so, how lovely! Thanks for asking me. With all good wishes DBaK (talk) 23:44, 19 December 2017 (UTC)

Seasons' Greetings
...to you and yours, from the Great White North! FWiW Bzuk (talk) 16:57, 23 December 2017 (UTC)

Merry Christmas!
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got a message from you but...
I got the following email: "‪DisillusionedBitterA...‬ left a message on your talk page. 	View message ‪DisillusionedBi...‬  View changes

But clicking through both to my talk page and yours didn't get me to a message. Or am I misunderstanding something about how talk works? Andrew (talk) 14:31, 16 December 2017 (UTC)
 * Hi Andrew! No, it's all good. The system is using a slightly lazy shorthand for "Left a message or fiddled with in any other (possibly annoying) way", because what I actually did - with apologies for the uninvited intervention (tsk!!) - was to sort out your header levels a bit so that the page read more easily and the ToC worked properly. We don't normally edit others' Talk pages in this way but there were good reasons why I felt this was probably OK on balance. The clue to a bit of bafflement like this is often in the page history, so if you click the "History" tab while on your Talk page you will find you are looking at all the changes made to your page and then all will be clear. If the editor has left a useful edit summary - like wot I done - then you might get the whole picture in one; otherwise, you can click one of the "prev" items along at the left - this will show you a useful screen which makes clear (usually!) what has changed in that edit, thus.
 * I hope that this is helpful. Some time in the next few days there will, by the way, be a Grand Reveal in which I dramatically say hello to you IRL although it will be a lot less dramatic if you already know exactly who I am ... in which case, thank you for not IDing me as I sort of like my sort of anonymity. Cheers (and see you soon) DBaK (talk) 19:26, 16 December 2017 (UTC)

Restored here temporarily from an archive. My reasoning for this is too boring to inflict on the community! DBaK (talk) 00:34, 27 December 2017 (UTC)

Cragside FA
Well, that is a nice way to see in Christmas. Many congratulations. KJP1 (talk) 23:13, 24 December 2017 (UTC)
 * Gosh, thanks . I am very mindful of how much of this work was yours! So, even bigger congratulations to you. But it is really great to hear and it is my first as co-nominator, so ... And oh yes: we must discuss red squirrels some time ... cheers DBaK (talk) 23:19, 24 December 2017 (UTC)
 * I've just seen the promotion, well done! Your pay as an editor will automatically double now (: <b style="font-family:Lucida;color:red">Jimfbleak</b> - talk to me?  09:35, 25 December 2017 (UTC)
 * And now with its little Bronze star. Jubilations! Earns you the right to put a little copy on your userpage, should you so wish. Sorry about my confusing message - to me the text from the card from Davey2010 falls out of the textbox and into the text below. KJP1 (talk) 21:13, 25 December 2017 (UTC)
 * Aha, I see. Weird. Thanks for the fix. I've tried to give it a bit more space with a dummy header and some dummy lines ... not a 100% success but maybe a bit clearer and will eventually resolve. Thanks again for your help! DBaK (talk) 13:00, 26 December 2017 (UTC)
 * Congratulation, a nice Christmas present. - When do you want that to appear as TFA? - My next will come on my mom's birthday ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:48, 25 December 2017 (UTC)
 * - Gerda, that's very kind. I'll leave the date selection to DBaK, any time works for me. KJP1 (talk) 08:39, 26 December 2017 (UTC)
 * , - thank you very much for this. I must confess that, not having done this before, I am not quite sure what I am being asked. Do I suggest a specific date or a range; am I selecting from a particular period or set of possible dates then? ... and so on. Sorry - I know it must be very obvious once you know it but I'm not up to speed this time round! Cheers DBaK (talk) 12:52, 26 December 2017 (UTC)
 * Exactly because this a first, the cabal of the outcasts would happily do it for you. Just say when. Any date of specific relevance for this article? Or any date soon? (I always advise soon because FAs don't necessarily improve over time.) I added to my Christmas greeting, btw, and if time permits want to seriously do something about the timpani and trumpets. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 14:19, 26 December 2017 (UTC)
 * Sorry, DBaK, I should have said. You can simply ask Gerda for a date when you'd like the article to appear on the front page and, subject to other commitments, the length of the queue, other FA articles that want to appear on a specific date, e.g. an anniversary, the Front Page coordinators will seek to oblige. So, if there's nothing meaningful for Cragside, just choose a date pleasing to you. Re. Cragside, my only thought might be 9 February 2018, the date of the house's re-opening for the 2018 season. But that's not so major date that it really should be then. Choose your birthday or your wedding anniversary, unless those are months off! My only other thought, when articles appear on the front page they can, though don't always, attract quite a lot of attention, not all of it wanted. With my first, Tim advised me to spend all day hidden under the duvet, so upset might I be by the hordes of smutty-minded schoolboys wanting to deface W. Burges Esq.! So, perhaps a day when you're not too busy and can man the barricades, although actually lots of other helpful editors do this for you. All the best. KJP1 (talk) 17:39, 26 December 2017 (UTC)
 * I understand that there's not really a particular day, and will simply ask "any date", right? The watching is another service the cabal will do for you if you want to hide. PumpkinSky (founding member of the cabal) has this easy recipe: the day after TFA day, return the last clean version, adding only the few good edits that may have happened ;) - I think neither Tower House nor Monnow Bridge were too much of a burden, no? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 18:16, 26 December 2017 (UTC)

Thanks, both, for all the information and advice. My thoughts are: Best wishes DBaK (talk) 00:19, 27 December 2017 (UTC)
 * 1) I have no significant date to tie it to in the near future, so there is no problem there.
 * 2) 9th February is a nice idea, and it's a Saturday so I might have some time to keep an eye on it; I would tend towards that date but
 * 3) Not if you think it's too far ahead in terms of article decline, Gerda.
 * 4) If you do think it's too late then from my PoV at least a weekend would be preferable, though I do note, thanks, your points about other watchers and the PS technique!
 * NB, 9 February is a Friday,, but we'll go for that Gerda, unless you think it's too long a wait, in which case take any date. Many thanks. KJP1 (talk) 07:49, 28 December 2017 (UTC)
 * Oops, sorry. Awkward cove, Johnny Calendar! Yup all the above it totally fine from my PoV and I will happily go along with whatever works. Cheers, both. DBaK (talk) 11:24, 28 December 2017 (UTC)


 * Today's featured article/requests/Cragside started. Please work on the blurb which is about the right length, and approve if you do ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:19, 28 December 2017 (UTC)

Cragside
Just back from travelling, and saw ye were promoted!! Congrats to ye both, a very fine piece of work. Ceoil (talk) 15:00, 28 December 2017 (UTC)
 * Thanks very much for your kind words and for your help with the article. I'm so glad you liked it! Cheers DBaK (talk) 23:12, 28 December 2017 (UTC)

Happy New Year, DisillusionedBitterAndKnackered!
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 * Thank you - that's very kind of you! And all the very best to you and yours for 2018 too. With all good wishes, DBaK (talk) 01:04, 1 January 2018 (UTC)

I shall never surrender.
I shall fight you on the articles, I shall fight you on the talk pages, I shall fight you in the deep dark web, I shall fight you over the entire interweb...I shall never surrender. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.0.228.119 (talk) 22:32, 2 January 2018 (UTC)
 * Replied at t'other end, thanks. DBaK (talk) 00:30, 3 January 2018 (UTC)

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Cragside scheduled for TFA
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TFA
Thank you for Cragside the beauty, ""the most dramatic Victorian mansion in the North of England”, and its equally dramatic 15,000-acre estate. The house is notable, too, for its technical innovations using water power, providing electric lighting and water-powered spits, dumb waiter, dishwasher and dinner gong"! - Here's a gong for the conductor at the end of the DYK section with whom I had the honour to sing in choir once, his last concert, and not forgotten, - I forgot which year, but remember that it was Good Friday, the theatre lights were hot, and he wanted to see us in white. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:48, 9 February 2018 (UTC)

Craigside
Craigside! Was just off to change it myself. It is holding up well. All the best. KJP1 (talk) 18:39, 9 February 2018 (UTC)
 * Yep, so far so good. Cheers DBaK (talk) 18:40, 9 February 2018 (UTC)

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Signpost issue 4 – 29 March 2018
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Belated Easter music
As I could happily archive old stuff, your cantata thread leads the mood of my talk page. In case you missed it - I don't send personal greeting cards for holidays - great music with passion for Easter, especially the sad Alleluia. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 10:55, 6 April 2018 (UTC)

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I suspect that my account has recently become severely compromised. So I'm sending you this pre-cleansed message where you can imagine what the original insults were. This should save the bother of all of that dramah-board and Admin stuff-and-nonsense, etc.
 * "Look here DBAK, you, I've just about had enough of your pathetic . It's about time you or else I'll be forced to ."

Very best wishes. Martin Wells 123 (talk) 12:10, 6 April 2018 (UTC)
 * Haha thanks ! I must say it was an "interesting" experience which I will aim to . Nice to hear from you! Cheers DBaK (talk) 09:49, 8 April 2018 (UTC)

St Donat's Castle
If my prose, and another bloody country house, aren't too off-putting, this odd little Welsh castle is up for Peer Review, here Peer review/St Donat's Castle/archive1. It does have rather an interesting story to tell. Your thoughts would be greatly appreciated, as ever. All the best. KJP1 (talk) 18:42, 29 March 2018 (UTC)

&#8209; &#8209; Gareth Griffith&#8209;Jones&#160;The Welsh Buzzard &#8209; &#8209; 08:37, 30 March 2018 (UTC)
 * I could not resist making these two changes. Cheers to both!
 * Not at all. You are, of course, most welcome to join the peer review to any extent that you wish. KJP1 (talk) 11:57, 30 March 2018 (UTC)
 * Thank you. &#8209; &#8209; Gareth Griffith&#8209;Jones&#160;The Welsh Buzzard &#8209; &#8209; 12:01, 30 March 2018 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the invitation and  for the comments - it's been fun! What an extraordinary story the Castle is. Cheers DBaK (talk) 09:52, 8 April 2018 (UTC)
 * Thank you! Very glad you enjoyed it and it does have rather a tale to tell. Your edits at PR have much improved it. If I may, I'll drop you and Gareth a line when it goes to FAC. I just need to review the PR comments, as there are a few I've not actioned yet. All the best. KJP1 (talk) 10:36, 8 April 2018 (UTC)
 * That would be great - many thanks. DBaK (talk) 12:33, 8 April 2018 (UTC)

Travesti or en travesti?
Thank you very much for your latest edits at the articles I Capuleti e i Montecchi and Il prigionier superbo. If you might be interested I have edited something else in Michael Bednarek's talk page regarding the question whether or the use of the term "en travesti" is to be encouraged. Cheers.--Jeanambr (talk) 07:55, 14 April 2018 (UTC)
 * Replied at t'other end, thanks. DBaK (talk) 08:05, 14 April 2018 (UTC)

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Precious six years!
DYK that I kept your last 2017 thread on my talk because I is so uplifting? (talking about ascension) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:19, 12 May 2018 (UTC)
 * Thanks – you are too kind, and I really enjoyed the conversation about the gorgeous cantata! :) DBaK (talk) 21:30, 12 May 2018 (UTC)
 * The cantata should be a FA some day, do you agree? But it seems tough enough to even get to GA these days, just look at BWV 60. BWV 183 is for tomorrow, that was easy ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:34, 12 May 2018 (UTC)
 * Very likely, but I am pretty intimidated by all that stuff - especially in music! :) Go figure, as they say DBaK (talk) 21:51, 12 May 2018 (UTC)
 * You did well for that mansion! I may figure next year. Did you ever hear the violinist pictured on my talk? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:56, 12 May 2018 (UTC)
 * Wiłkomirska? Sadly, no, but I must ask Mrs DBaK, who knows about stringy stuff, about her! :) DBaK (talk) 22:00, 12 May 2018 (UTC)

St Donat's Castle
Dear DBK, after a short hiatus, St Donat's is now at FAC, above. If you had the inclination to revisit, your comments would be very much appreciated. KJP1 (talk) 09:42, 22 May 2018 (UTC)

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Sandringham House
Hi DBaK, I've a favour to ask. The above is up for FAC, here, Featured article candidates/Sandringham House/archive1. As architecture, it's certainly not Cragside, but as the home of the last five English monarchs, and the scene of the deaths of two of them, it has some interest. It could do with a reviewer or two and if you had the time and inclination, it would be very much appreciated. With best regards. KJP1 (talk) 21:21, 4 August 2018 (UTC)
 * Dear, thank you very much for asking me – I'm flattered. I will try to have a proper look at it. On a first scan it looks really great and I doubt that I will have much to offer, but if time permits I will give it a scrutiny. WIth all good wishes DBaK (talk) 08:39, 7 August 2018 (UTC)
 * Appreciated, but only if time and inclination permit. All the best. KJP1 (talk) 21:45, 7 August 2018 (UTC)
 * And no necessity at all now, as I think it has the votes. But I'd be delighted if you did want to comment. KJP1 (talk) 15:58, 15 August 2018 (UTC)
 * sorry, aaaargh and sssshhhhhh ... I'm on it RIGHT NOW, literally. Big flap all round but watch this space - sorry and thanks! DBaK (talk) 16:02, 15 August 2018 (UTC)
 * I've no wish to be the cause of marital discord and take no responsibility! KJP1 (talk) 16:04, 15 August 2018 (UTC)
 * Haha, noted, thanks! :) DBaK (talk) 16:17, 15 August 2018 (UTC)

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Trombone
I used an automated tool named Commonlinks. I have no feelings about the changes one way or another. Given your interest in that article, perhaps you could fix its errors: a failed verification, vague or ambiguous time, unsourced statements, and a need for references. Thanks. Vmavanti (talk) 23:21, 10 September 2018 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the message. Frankly I doubt that I can, but I will have a look when time permits. Cheers DBaK (talk) 07:11, 11 September 2018 (UTC)

responded to message
see talk page. Yousou (Complain) 19:31, 11 September 2018 (UTC)
 * Replied at t'other end, thanks. DBaK (talk) 15:04, 13 September 2018 (UTC)

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Thanks
Thanks for your kind words! - 122.56.100.98 (talk) 05:03, 28 September 2018 (UTC)
 * You're most welcome. Happy Editing! Cheers DBaK (talk) 06:42, 1 October 2018 (UTC)

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The right thing
I see no reason for you to reproach yourself over the Wythy ANI; doing what you think is right is always a good thing. Likely he will be unblocked, and we'll see what happens then. Best wishes,  Tony Holkham   (Talk)  14:47, 17 October 2018 (UTC)
 * Thanks – that's very kind of you to say. Cheers DBaK (talk) 14:50, 17 October 2018 (UTC)

File source problem with File:Cragside house and rock garden top left.jpg
Thank you for uploading File:Cragside house and rock garden top left.jpg. I noticed that the file's description page currently doesn't specify who created the content, so the copyright status is unclear. If you did not create this file yourself, you will need to specify the owner of the copyright. If you obtained it from a website, please add a link to the page from which it was taken, together with a brief restatement of the website's terms of use of its content. If the original copyright holder is a party unaffiliated with the website, that author should also be credited. Please add this information by editing the image description page.

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 * Comment: actually, all the information required is quite clear or available – it's just not machine-readable. However, it was only uploaded in pursuit of a discussion about photos at Cragside and it is not in use anywhere, so it can just be deleted as proposed. There is literally no point in anyone putting in any effort on it, so it should go bye bye. Cheers DBaK (talk) 20:33, 23 October 2018 (UTC)

St Donat's Castle
Very much appreciate the comments. But don't let it get to you. In the overall scheme of things, it's minor. We've achieved more before, and will do again. The very best. KJP1 (talk) 23:51, 26 October 2018 (UTC)

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Verdun
Greetings from Hull; thanks for your edit and thanks for the laugh when I read your user page, I know the feeling. ;O) Keith-264 (talk) 07:36, 2 November 2018 (UTC)
 * Thanks and sorry for the slow reply. Glad to have been of service! Cheers DBaK (talk) 08:31, 7 November 2018 (UTC)

Logical quotation on Wikipedia
Regarding this, your removal of the template was certainly appropriate. The page is not a humor page or intended as one. If you look at its history, you'll see BilCat putting the tag on there and then snarkily "defending" his tag, because he doesn't like the content and/or the author. It was borderline vandalism, and definitely WP:POINTy. —&thinsp;AReaderOutThataway&thinsp;t/c 01:28, 7 November 2018 (UTC)
 * Thanks for that. I did wonder ... I had quite enjoyed it but not seen it as comedy. Cheers DBaK (talk) 08:30, 7 November 2018 (UTC)
 * With the "debate-tone" and "convince the reader" material in it stripped out, it's actually the makings for an entire WP article on logical quotation or at least a comprehensive section at Quotation marks in English, as well as a long over-due rewrite of that article in general, with all its incorrect pronouncements about "American punctuation", "British English", etc. I've considered it for several years, but have experienced too much WP:DRAMA from nationalistic prescriptivists to relish the prospect.  —&thinsp;AReaderOutThataway&thinsp;t/c 08:46, 7 November 2018 (UTC)

Category links
Does this help? MIDI (talk) 21:38, 8 November 2018 (UTC)
 * Aha! Yes it does, thank you very much! That a simple colon could make such a difference! Cheers DBaK (talk) 08:58, 9 November 2018 (UTC)

Titanic
The change in Titanic had to do with the numbers of passengers. There were about 2,200 passengers on board but then it says they had many less than the ship's capacity, and if you do the math it's 1000 people more. Onoufrios d (talk) 23:14, 22 November 2018 (UTC)
 * I'm very sorry but I can't understand your point or make it fit with the numbers – which were referenced – already in the paragraph which you changed. Bumping the number up by 1000 because you did the maths sounds a bit like OR and inserts a different total into what seems to be referenced text. Can I respectfully ask that if you want to make this change, you take it to the article's Talk page? Thank you DBaK (talk) 23:25, 22 November 2018 (UTC)

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UAA
Hey, responding to your inquiry about UAA. I didn't see that the company actually had Limited in their name, which I just saw by reviewing the link to their website. With that info, I've just now blocked the account. Let me know if you have any other questions,  ceran  thor 01:41, 4 December 2018 (UTC)
 * Oh, that's great, thank you very much for the clarification! Like I said over there, it wasn't about any specific beef with this company – far from it – but just about trying to understand the process, so your comment is a great help. Cheers DBaK (talk) 08:07, 4 December 2018 (UTC)
 * Hi, I just looked at the outcome of this (your discussion with DBaK happened after I'd logged off for the night). Sorry I didn't make it clear that the company had Ltd at the end of their name; that's almost always the case for UK-registered companies (even if they don't use the suffix in their marketing), so I thought it would have been obvious, but I'll be more explicit in future. Thanks DBaK for querying this. Girth Summit <sub style="font-family:script;color:blue;"> (blether)  08:14, 4 December 2018 (UTC)
 * No worries - I'm from the US so less familiar with that. Cheers,  ceran  thor 13:36, 4 December 2018 (UTC)

TFA
Thank you for you share to RSPB Minsmere, mentioned in the nice intro "I'd long wanted to write an FA on this flagship RSPB reserve, but lacked sufficient sources. The site celebrated its 70th anniversary in 2017, leading to the publication of a major article in British Birds which, together with Bert Axell's book, purchased for the princely sum of 98p, gave me all that was necessary. Thanks to DisillusionedBitterAndKnackered for for fixing some of my less felicitous edits."! Will sing Jauchzet, frohlocket on Saturday!! Here. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 09:36, 5 December 2018 (UTC)
 * Thank you! DBaK (talk) 13:44, 8 December 2018 (UTC)

You are invited to listen today to the Pauken and Trompeten, DYK? Tönet, ihr Pauken!, which they shall do ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:30, 8 December 2018 (UTC)
 * Oh great, how gorgeous, thanks! DBaK (talk) 13:44, 8 December 2018 (UTC)

Boxwood
Comments too boring to put at the FAC ... I'm sorry I was late to this and that my comments are a bit woolly and rushed. I was going to try to do a thorough job but I have come to realize that death or senility would claim me before I finished it, so then I wasn't going to bother, and then I changed my mind again but still didn't have any more time so I've just ended up kind of hurling it all at the wall and hoping for the best. I've little confidence that all or most of my comments are correct or useful but I hoped that one or two might turn out worthwhile, and actually, very little harm is done by submitting remarks which turn out to be ignorable, so, I'm, like, hey. man! (More commas available on request.) Best wishes to all DBaK (talk) 14:37, 8 December 2018 (UTC)
 * I can assure you that your comments are viewed as astute, helpful and are very gratefully received. Its extremely satisfying to see the article become more clear, concise and polished from input such as yours today. If you spot more issues, dont hesitate to add! Ceoil  (talk) 17:02, 8 December 2018 (UTC)
 * That's so kind of you,, thanks! I am delighted to have helped at all. I was absolutely intrigued, and am going to have to go and see one for real somewhere. Perhaps after I get my new specs! Cheers DBaK (talk) 19:25, 8 December 2018 (UTC)
 * Believe me I get the sentiment expressed in your username, and not just in relation to this website. From your approach and editing, have always seen you as somebody who "gets it", but may be disillusioned at the continual need to fight back and explain basics modes of intellectual conduct. Ceoil  (talk) 23:43, 8 December 2018 (UTC)

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Merry Merry

 * Thank you so much and I wish you all the best for the season too! Cheers DBaK (talk) 01:40, 25 December 2018 (UTC)

Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year

 * Thank you for the lovely greeting and I wish you a very Happy Christmas too! DBaK (talk) 01:40, 25 December 2018 (UTC)

Nadolig Llawen a Blwyddyn Newydd Dda
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Merry Christmas Baby... and hoping that you have a good New Year !!
 * My dear chap,, how lovely to hear from you – as always – and many thanks for the seasonal greetings, which I heartily reciprocate! All the best to you and yours DBaK (talk) 01:40, 25 December 2018 (UTC)

Seasonal Greetings

 * Thank you,, that's very kind, hope you have a lovely Christmas too! Cheers DBaK (talk) 09:12, 25 December 2018 (UTC)

Merry Christmas!

 * Thanks, that's very kind of you - I hope that you have had a great day. Cheers! DBaK (talk) 23:40, 25 December 2018 (UTC)

Hello
Why can't the Kevi Memes thing be put on? I don't run it but I think that everyone at the school would agree it is an important part to the culture at KEVI. Also do you go to kevi? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Lucaspaulsmith (talk • contribs) 20:31, 27 December 2018 (UTC)
 * Hi there - I was out of this discussion for a while, sorry ... I assume that you're now up to date with it so I won't go over the same ground again. No, I don't go to your school - I'm a bit too old! Happy editing and all good wishes DBaK (talk) 00:33, 28 December 2018 (UTC)

Happy holidays (we are still in the 12 days of Christmas, so not too late yet!)

 * Thanks – much appreciated! And the same to you and yours. Cheers DBaK (talk) 20:54, 28 December 2018 (UTC)

my own views not welcome on wiki
I wrote about my own personal experience of using the creative commons license. And this user deleted it. —Jam2ja (talk • contribs) 11:59, 6 January 2019 (UTC)
 * Note: This comment was added in error to my User page and moved here and signed for them by me. DBaK (talk) 12:50, 6 January 2019 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the comment. I will reply at your Talk page  as we might both find it easier there. But till I get round to it, that's right, your personal experience is not welcome here without a reliable source, so I correctly deleted it, as would all other editors here, and I will continue to do so in the same circumstances. Best wishes DBaK (talk) 12:50, 6 January 2019 (UTC)
 * – I removed your comments here. I've commented on your general situation at your Talk page. Please do not edit this page, that is, my Talk page, or indeed my User page, further. Thank you. Best wishes DBaK (talk) 18:02, 6 January 2019 (UTC)

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Gwin poeth sbeislyd i chi ...

 * Thanks, this is lovely; and apologies for the slow reply. A very Happy New Year to you too. Cheers DBaK (talk) 10:52, 8 January 2019 (UTC)

2019
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Die Zeit, die Tag und Jahre macht

Happy 2019 -

begin it with music and memories

--Gerda Arendt (talk) 18:17, 1 January 2019 (UTC)
 * – Thanks Gerda, how nice, and the same to you for a wonderful 2019! Cheers DBaK (talk) 10:53, 8 January 2019 (UTC)


 * Thank you, - working on the theme article of the year, about thanks and praise - in other words "ban complaining" ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 11:02, 8 January 2019 (UTC)


 * Please check out "Happy" once more, for a smile, and sharing (a Nobel Peace Prize), and resolutions. I wanted that for 1 January, but then wasn't sad about having our music pictured instead. Not too late for resolutions, New Year or not. DYK that he probably kept me on Wikipedia, back in 2012? By the line (which brought him to my attention, and earned the first precious in br'erly style) that I added to my editnotice, in fond memory? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:18, 12 January 2019 (UTC)

Alternate account
The account is an alternate account, which I do not intend to use much, of this one. DBaK-photo (talk) 15:20, 13 January 2019 (UTC)

Sissinghurst Castle Garden
Hi DBaK, I hope you are keeping well. I see you're off-Wiki for a few weeks - somewhere nice I hope - so this may miss you. I've been working on another collaboration with an editor who knows lots about plants. This is fortunate, as the subject is a garden. It's up for FAC, here, Featured article candidates/Sissinghurst Castle Garden/archive1. If you happen to pass by before it closes, your thoughts would be very much appreciated. KJP1 (talk) 19:51, 21 January 2019 (UTC)

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Comprise
In summary, I think it fair to say that:

By definition, anything that wikipedians have to say about the use of this word belongs here: https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/comprise

Therefore, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comprised_of is a prime example of AfD

but

The sad thing is that 'composed of' is wrong, or, at the very least, thoroughly irregular (though that doesn't explain one particular contributor's attitude or actions: the poor man needs help, IMV) but Oxford have sold the pass by declaring it acceptable.

(I have to admit that I didn't see what you did there: please advise!)

86.130.154.59 (talk) 19:06, 11 February 2019 (UTC)
 * Oops, thanks and sorry for the slow reply. Yes, it's broken! It may well be a Humpty Dumpty job already ... I will watch with interest. I think that What I Did There was probably to deliberately deploy the disputed usage, for the sheer devilment. But hey. Cheers DBaK (talk) 20:10, 24 February 2019 (UTC)

Thank you!
I just saw the message you left on my page and I would like to thank you for the helpful advice in terms of editing, etc. You are very kind. Lilliangish (talk) 00:56, 19 February 2019 (UTC)
 * Replied at t'other end, thanks! DBaK (talk) 20:26, 24 February 2019 (UTC)

Just to let you know
Just read your user page. I recognise much of what you write in the first section. I once used to do a lot of editing on WP until I got just too frustrated to the level that it al just seemed pointless to me. So I quit. And then I just couldn't resist myself to do some editing every once in a while, now with less drive, only because it's a kind of OCD: I can't resist myself to correct errors. However, I found it refreshing to read the lightheartedness of someone so disillusioned, bitter and knackered. Cheers! Naamloze gebruiker (talk) 13:03, 19 February 2019 (UTC)
 * Yup, absolutely, thank you – I'm absolutely clear that I am caught in/on some kind of terrible spiral here. I am just sometimes just a touch unclear about whether its overall direction is down or up! Cheers DBaK (talk) 20:28, 24 February 2019 (UTC)
 * He's a big fan of Nine Inch Nails, you know. Just to cheer things up, here's a jolly little tune from them. Things can only get better. Martinevans123 (talk) 20:36, 24 February 2019 (UTC)
 * Wonderful, thank you !

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Cragside
Good to see you and hope you're well. This comes from an editor who appears to own Cragend Farm nearby, which has a number of Armstrong's buildings, including his interesting hydraulic silage plant. It was apparently a hopeless failure! But it may need to an article as it's Grade II*. Do you know it perchance, ? It looks quite well maintained. KJP1 (talk) 10:43, 25 April 2019 (UTC)
 * Hello and it's nice to hear from you too. No, I don't know it. We were up there over Easter but in the south of the county. We are back, more in the right area, in the summer and I might try to have a look and see if they have an open day or anything. I agree that it could be a good article but I'm sorry I don't know more about the topic, other than that it sounds fascinating! Cheers DBaK (talk) 12:08, 25 April 2019 (UTC)

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Precious anniversary
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Worrying about hyphens
is a very first-world problem! Hope you’re keeping well. KJP1 (talk) 18:12, 6 July 2019 (UTC)


 * Being hyphenated from birth, I do articulate. Best wishes to both of you! Gareth Griffith-Jones (contribs) (talk) 18:26, 6 July 2019 (UTC)


 * Deplorable antihyphenationism. Kids today. --Tagishsimon (talk) 19:19, 6 July 2019 (UTC)


 * Thanks so much all of you,, , , for this. Cheered me up greatly. Best wishes DBaK (talk) 22:11, 6 July 2019 (UTC)

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WikiProject Yorkshire Newsletter - August 2019
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 * Welcome to the one hundredth and thirty sixth WikiProject Yorkshire monthly newsletter.


 * Thanks to the contributions of our many members and supporters, WP:YORKS has become a leading local British WikiProject in terms of the total number of articles supported (up from 14,804 last month to 14,957 on 29 July 2019). In the area of GAs WP:YORKS at 150 is ahead of WP:GM who have 87. WP:GM has the lead in FAs at 68 out of a total number of 4,390 articles.

Currently we have fifty Yorkshire featured articles:

Henry Moore • Cædmon • George Calvert, 1st Baron Baltimore • History of Sheffield • York City F.C. • Joseph Priestley • Stocksbridge Park Steels F.C. • Valley Parade • William Wilberforce • History of Bradford City A.F.C. • Last of the Summer Wine • Ealdred (archbishop of York) • Paulinus of York • Wilfrid • HMS Endeavour • Cosmo Gordon Lang • Thomas of Bayeux • Cottingley Fairies • Wilfred Rhodes • Guy Fawkes • Yorkshire captaincy affair of 1927 • Roy Kilner • George Macaulay • Frederick Delius • Battle of Towton • Halifax Gibbet • Gerard (archbishop of York) • George Hirst • Geoffrey (archbishop of York) • Len Hutton • Hedley Verity • Abe Waddington • Æthelwold ætheling • Preparing for a Fancy Dress Ball • The Combat: Woman Pleading for the Vanquished •  The Wrestlers (Etty) • Bootham Crescent • History of York City F.C. (1908–1980) • William Etty • History of York City F.C. (1980–present) • Candaules, King of Lydia, Shews his Wife by Stealth to Gyges, One of his Ministers, as She Goes to Bed • The World Before the Flood • Musidora: The Bather 'At the Doubtful Breeze Alarmed' • North Eastern Railway War Memorial • York City War Memorial • Northern England • Albert Pierrepoint • RSPB Dearne Valley Old Moor • Keldholme Priory election dispute • 2018 World Snooker Championship

There are also sixteen featured lists:

York City F.C. Clubman of the Year • List of York City F.C. managers • List of York City F.C. players • List of York City F.C. seasons • List of Bradford City A.F.C. seasons • List of York City F.C. records and statistics • List of Leeds United F.C. seasons • List of Scarborough F.C. seasons • List of awards and nominations received by Arctic Monkeys • List of Sites of Special Scientific Interest in Cleveland • List of Hull City A.F.C. seasons • List of churches preserved by the Churches Conservation Trust in Northern England • Sheffield United F.C. league record by opponent • York City F.C. league record by opponent • List of York City F.C. players (25–99 appearances) • List of York City F.C. players (1–24 appearances) • Bootham Crescent

Thank you and well done to all those who contributed.


 * Article Activity

Don Revie was promoted to GA on 25th May

Hilary Benn was nominated for GA on 25th June

Chelsea F.C. 2–4 Bradford City A.F.C. (2015) was not promoted to GA on 8th July

2018 World Snooker Championship was promoted to FA on 25th July


 * Member News

There are 85 members of WikiProject Yorkshire! The membership is unchanged since the July newsletter.


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 * A very big to all the editors who labour away quietly and help make this WikiProject what it is; no edit goes unnoticed.


 * To members who have added suggestions to the ToDo list at Yorkshire Portal.


 * To the football and rugby editors who have done stirling work in keeping abreast of the top clubs.


 * To all the WikiProject Yorkshire editors who have been busy on vandal patrol at watchlist.

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Specific aims for the project are:-


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Images of England
The Images of England web site is to be decommissioned this month by Historic England. The text of the site entries has been available on the corresponding National Heritage List entry since that web site was created. The images are being transferred ahead of the decommissioning. As a result of this a BOT has changed all IoE templates to NHLE templates and translated the reference number according to a list provided by Historic England.

It would be good if members could check these, when they come across them, as I have spotted one with an incorrect translation. Some articles already had NHLE templates in them so the references may need to be combined. Other changes that may need to be performed are removal of template or text referring to the site as needing registration, changing the text "Images of England" or "IoE" to something more appropriate or may be even removing it if it is part of the description..


 * WikiProject Yorkshire Collaboration of the Month Project

The August 2019 articles selected below are an editor choice as there were no further suggestions from the project talk page.

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Remove speedy delete tag
Hello, DisillusionedBitterAndKnackered,

I removed the U5 speedy deletion tag from User:Moalusi Mphafudi because it was just a simple link to an Instagram account. Usually "not a webhost" tags are for things like blog posts, long autobiographies or pages devoted to fantasy football leagues, not a solitary link on a user page. Liz <sup style="font-family: Times New Roman; color: #006400;">Read! Talk! 02:53, 12 August 2019 (UTC)
 * OK and thanks DBaK (talk) 08:49, 12 August 2019 (UTC)

Motorail
Thanks for that. Rookie error. Think I'm going to go out for the day and leave Wikipedia alone. Britmax (talk) 10:31, 28 July 2019 (UTC)
 * haha ! Thanks. Nah, have a nice cup of tea and then back to the Edit Mill! (Or – yes – go do something nice! Depends on your options ...) Cheers DBaK (talk) 10:38, 28 July 2019 (UTC)
 * Visiting Old Wardour Castle with family. Britmax (talk) 10:41, 28 July 2019 (UTC)
 * Woo, nice, enjoy! I don't know that one so I shall (a) go and read the article now and (b) look forward to new information following your visit. Have a good day, cheers, DBaK (talk) 11:10, 28 July 2019 (UTC)
 * We had a nice day and picnic in the Wiltshire countryside. The castle is two and a half miles from Tisbury station on the West of England main line. Britmax (talk) 08:31, 31 July 2019 (UTC)
 * Sounds great, well done. Sorry for the slow reply – I was elsewhere. Cheers DBaK (talk) 08:50, 12 August 2019 (UTC)

Middlesbrough
Thanks - and I will bow to your expertise about Middlesbrough being a dream destination.&mdash; Rod talk 06:45, 13 August 2019 (UTC)
 * Great, thanks ! Cheers DBaK (talk) 09:51, 13 August 2019 (UTC)

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Thanks for correcting typos
I had some mess up that made my list include words I already fixed, I got to letter C in the first list and then found that I had to create the list from scratch. lists after c should have lower rate of false positives.&#32; Uziel302 (talk) 18:31, 30 September 2019 (UTC)
 * Aha! Thank you – I will have another look sometime! Cheers DBaK (talk) 18:34, 30 September 2019 (UTC)
 * DBaK, I just removed the messed up parts. Thanks again.&#32; Uziel302 (talk) 18:56, 30 September 2019 (UTC)

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It's been a minute
Hi there, nice to see you still on wikipedia. I was dropping in because I was looking through my talk page (been a while since I was really active here. 9 years actually. Apparently EXACTLY 9 years ago tomorrow, we were discussing seasonal differences re: ITG's conference in Australia. Apparently I caused a stink about something. I was only 13 then, and very bossy. So it was pretty funny for me now, honestly. Hopefully all's well with you! DS64 (talk) 03:16, 6 October 2019 (UTC)

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 * Gosh, yes, it's been a while! I had forgotten that exchange and I was pleased to be reminded of it. If you did cause a stink, it was certainly not over that – you were super polite and civilized. Thanks for the cookie, and I hope you enjoy being back here. Nine years is quite a long time between 13 and 22 ... I mean, it sort of is between 53 and 62 too, but a bit less acutely so, if you see what I mean. I hope you are enjoying whatever you are doing now, and that it is all going very well indeed for you. Cheers DBaK (talk) 08:25, 6 October 2019 (UTC)


 * Thank you so much! I'm glad to hear that. It's good to be back. And things are going well. :) Yes, you're right. I know I'm a baby but it's pretty wild to think how much I've changed since then. Take care! DS64 (talk) 03:11, 7 October 2019 (UTC)

die allerbeste Zeit
Marta Kurtág died. I remember her playing 4-hand with her husband, Játékok, ending with an arrangement of - you guess - the Andantino from BWV 106. I was moved to tears. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:26, 21 October 2019 (UTC)
 * Oh, sad news. Thank you for letting me know. But wow, that you heard that! How truly wonderful: an incredible memory. DBaK (talk) 22:20, 21 October 2019 (UTC)
 * 8 August 2004, - in the pieces' article. I have a bad memory, therefore I have to write on Wikipedia ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:23, 21 October 2019 (UTC)
 * Ha! I bet you are far from alone in that! :) DBaK (talk) 22:25, 21 October 2019 (UTC)

Bill and Benns?
Hi, you probably don't recall, but we crossed paths last May over Coldfall Wood. I've a question for someone on your side of the Atlantic, and you came to mind. Have you ever heard of a comedy duo/tv band called "Bill and Benns"? (Bill Zorn and Jon Benns) I'm researching for an article on Zorn, an American folk singer, and keep finding vague references to him spending 20 years in England (roughly '70s and '80s) and that he and Benns were "popular", but I can't track down anything solid like dates or what exactly they did, so I thought I'd ask if you'd heard of them. Schazjmd  (talk)  23:28, 29 October 2019 (UTC)
 * Hi – thanks for the message and yes, I do recall, absolutely. The tea/beer offer also still stands. I am terribly sorry but I do not remember these musicians. One of my neighbours, however, is a much more knowledgeable popular music fan than I – and even older too! – so when I next get the chance I will ask him and let you know anything useful he says. The librarian at my school is also closer to my age (the other teachers are all much closer to the kids' ages!) so I will ask her. Oh, and I've thought of a third person to try. Basically we need pub quiz music experts!
 * At the risk of stating the obvious and/or telling my granny how to suck eggs, I guess you are aware of the 1950s children's TV puppet show Flower Pot Men? It was on for years after first broadcast, so anyone using the names "Bill and Ben(ns)" would create enormous resonances in people's minds – easily as late as the 70s/80s. I wonder if your B&B musicians knew about or exploited this link? Cheers DBaK (talk) 23:42, 29 October 2019 (UTC)
 * Yeah, Flower Pot Men really threw off my attempts to search on that string. Jon Benns is British so I bet he thought the name similarity would be clever (and any bit of edge can help in the entertainment industry). Please don't go to any trouble, but if you hear of anything, I'll owe you one! Schazjmd   (talk)  00:04, 30 October 2019 (UTC)

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Monschau edit reversion
Hi, thanks for noticing my edit for the Monschau article. I'm a bit curious about the reversion as I cannot see it as an overedit: Vennbahn is not an everyday word, not a major geographic feature (compared to the Himalayas), not a commonly known location (maybe so in Europe but certainly not universally), nor the other situations given (common occupations, common units). I believe Monschau is a town along the Vennbahn, acting as a major access point to the bike trail, but there was not a single link to this in the article to enable further reading on what the Vennbahn is, hence my edit. The Vennbahn article has links to Monschau (potentially over edits), but unfortunately not the other direction. I would see it as no different from the other links to attractions in the two sentence above the Vennbahn one in the same section. Thanks.Slleong (talk) 10:38, 1 November 2019 (UTC)
 * Hello and thank you for the nice message. I hope, though, that you realize that you’re already in serious breach of our behavioural norms for editors who’ve been reverted – it’s normal to start with insults then move swiftly onto legal threats, but I’ll overlook your error just this once. :)


 * Next, we should acknowledge that at least 50% of everything I do on Wikipedia is garbage! If only I could work out which 50% of my edits it is then I could leave them out and all would be great. So, if you’re a victim of my operating in the wrong half then I’m very sorry.


 * Looking at the edit itself, my understanding of WP:OVERLINK – no! – MOS:REPEATLINK (corrected to what I meant rather than what I said!) is that links are good but that we try not to repeat them too much so we don’t end up with a sea of blue. I do understand the point about not linking to the too-obvious (Bad Münder am Deister is a town with streets and shops etc), but this is not that – I do agree with you that the Vennbahn needs explaining and linking. Especially as it sounds so interesting! But, and maybe this is where I need to reread WP:OVERLINK  – no! – MOS:REPEATLINK, I feel that it was already adequately linked in the Monschau article. It is linked from the fourth paragraph of History and from the second paragraph of Traffic. This latter is very close to where you wanted to insert a third link, which I thought might be excessive. Hence the reversion.


 * Now, if you see what I mean, then fine. But actually If you don’t see what I mean then that’s probably also fine. I’m trying to learn to walk away from conflict on Wikipedia as it never, ever does me any good. As a result, if you feel very strongly about the third link you are free to do as you wish without worrying about my edit-warring with you over it. I just thought you might like to understand my reasoning.


 * Sorry about the extended waffle. I’m having an intellectually slow morning while waiting for a roofer to show up and fix something. Happy editing, and thanks again for the polite and reasoned message. With all good wishes DBaK (talk) 11:11, 1 November 2019 (UTC)


 * PS Just changed it to reflect my realization that I meant MOS:REPEATLINK rather than WP:OVERLINK. Please forgive the elderly confusion. I feel as if I can stand by what I meant, but I wish I had given the right link in the first place! Ho hum. This is probably why I should not be allowed a computer. :( DBaK (talk) 11:25, 1 November 2019 (UTC)


 * Hi. Thanks for the very entertaining reply. I have to admit I'm guilty of not seeing the two active links for Vennbahn in the article, as I went straight for the tourist attractions section. I think I will take the no further action approach. I believe most people, like me, would have heard of Vennbahn first, before clicking to learn more about Monschau, in which case they would discover the Vennbahn active links when reading up more about the town. Cheers.Slleong (talk) 13:36, 2 November 2019 (UTC)

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Márta Kurtág
Thank you for improving Márta Kurtág, and saying "what bliss"! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 15:47, 3 November 2019 (UTC)

Replied-to note
Sorry. The edit I did may have been a mistake. — Preceding unsigned comment added by S40005616 (talk • contribs) 19:38, 16 November 2019 (UTC)
 * Replied at t'other end, thanks. DBaK (talk) 20:42, 17 November 2019 (UTC)

Ship and boat building in Whitby
DBAK - thanks for the edits, and no, I will not be reverting them because it sort of makes sense. I have been working on the article for so long that I cannot see the wood for the trees, so it needs someone like you to come along and tidy it up. Thanks and regards! The joy of all things (talk) 09:43, 23 November 2019 (UTC)
 * – Thank you! That's very kind. I've done one other thing and will try and have another look sometime. Thank you so much for creating this brilliant article. Cheers DBaK (talk) 09:45, 23 November 2019 (UTC)

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Missing
Thank you for what you did for the Clara Schumann article! It's open for peer review, and FAC for Jauchzet, frohlocket!, DYK? We miss Brian who would have helped. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 17:56, 19 December 2019 (UTC)
 * – I've been on a bit of a self-imposed break because of the time of year but I came back a bit more today. I will try to have a look! Cheers DBaK (talk) 10:16, 20 December 2019 (UTC)

Christmas and the New Year
I would like to thank friends and colleagues here for the lovely greetings, and wish everyone a Merry Christmas, Happy New Year and/or any other appropriate religious, cultural, seasonal, leisure-based or just plain nice time.

I don't seem to have a jolly Christmas picture to hand but here is a nice piccolo trumpet. Close to festive, I reckon. Enjoy.

Happy everything! DBaK (talk) 22:03, 24 December 2019 (UTC)

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I wish all my friends and colleagues here, as well as anyone who just happens to have dropped in, the happiest of New Years. DBaK (talk) 13:43, 1 January 2020 (UTC)

Happy New Year!
Happy New Year! Hello DisillusionedBitterAndKnackered: Thanks for all of your contributions to Wikipedia, and have a great New Year! Cheers, Clover moss  (talk) 01:02, 3 January 2020 (UTC) <small style="margin-left:15px">Send New Year cheer by adding {{subst:Happy New Year snowman}} to people's talk pages with a friendly message.

Gender
Happy New Year! I saw your change of sex to gender on the blue tit, and I don't think it's correct. Animals have sexes, words have gender. I appreciate that for a variety of reasons that the two are increasingly treated as synonyms for humans to avoid upsetting people, but I can't imagine that blue tits are particularly exercised by the correct biological term being used. I won't revert, just something to consider. Cheers, <b style="font-family:Lucida;color:red">Jimfbleak</b> - talk to me?  16:48, 1 January 2020 (UTC)
 * Other common or garden birds are available. Martinevans123 (talk) 16:52, 1 January 2020 (UTC)
 * Thanks. Whatever – I have reverted myself. Best wishes DBaK (talk) 17:24, 1 January 2020 (UTC)
 * Just because I saw this come up on my watchlist - in a zoological context, the common usage is almost invariably "sex" unless you are dealing with humans (or bonobos, if they are feeling frisky :). It's the kind of thing that journal editors will make sure to clarify before publication, because the general connotation of "gender" in the biological as well as the social sciences is "social construct", as opposed to reproductive function. Cheers -- Elmidae (talk · contribs) 17:39, 1 January 2020 (UTC)
 * Hey, Hey, It's the Bonobnos! Martinevans123 (talk) 10:17, 3 January 2020 (UTC) yes ok ok, I know. they're actually apes.
 * Hmmm. And are they, by any chance, always bonoboing around? I ask only for clarification. DBaK (talk) 10:23, 3 January 2020 (UTC)
 * I further suspect that they are too busy something, to something something down or town or something yesno? Ah, the great days of Music That Was Absolute B*ll*cks! DBaK (talk) 10:25, 3 January 2020 (UTC)
 * Yes, they may well have been typically too busy bonoboing around, to put anybody down, but we simply can't claim that this is what they were best known for. Maybe a RfC or two might help resolve this? Martinevans123 (talk) 10:31, 3 January 2020 (UTC) But you do get a higher class of tit in a British garden, I find.

"Former" categories and WP:SUBCAT
I think if you are going to argue that "Former x" categories should not be subcategories of x, you are arguing for a major rewriting of WP category trees. For example Category:Former buildings and structures is a subcat of Category:Buildings and structures. The principle is that WP is not just an encyclopaedia of the world as it is now. Category:Buildings and structures does not mean Category:Existing buildings and structures. (QEH was a boarding school for over 500 years, and has not been a boarding school for 11 years.)

If you look at the various subcats of Category:Boarding schools, you will see that they include many, many schools which are no longer boarding schools. In some cases subcats have been created for Category:Defunct boarding schools, in some cases not, particularly where it would result in only one or very few members of the subcat. If you think it useful to create a new category tree for Category:Former boarding schools, do go ahead. But whether you do or not, former boarding schools belong in Category:Boarding schools and its subcats.--Mhockey (talk) 10:41, 4 January 2020 (UTC)


 * Thanks very much for this. I am honestly not arguing anything about cats (in fact I think I am incapable of doing so, sorry!) and I don't honestly mind what you do, except that I still feel strongly that it can't really be right to put QEH in the Boarding School cat, just like that as it is really really not one, its long and interesting history notwithstanding. If you want to sort it out, please please do, and I would be happy to see you gain consensus on the Talk page, but I feel that without the sort of subcat thing you are talking about, it's just got to be wrong. But I am not up for a fistfight over it! If you revert me again I will leave it albeit grumpily. :) Cheers DBaK (talk) 11:00, 4 January 2020 (UTC)


 * PS I could have a go at it myself but would probably screw up ... I have history in this area. Would you like to be bribed with chocolate, beer etc?? DBaK (talk) 11:01, 4 January 2020 (UTC)

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Hmmmmm yeah
Whatever. DBaK (talk) 09:28, 17 September 2020 (UTC)

Croxley Rail Link
Yes, I did. There were no uses of -ise and one use of -ize, which was the one I reverted. DitzyNizzy (aka Jess) &#124; (talk to me) &#124; (What I've done) 19:43, 27 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Ok. DBaK (talk) 20:18, 27 September 2020 (UTC)

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The abbey and the money
Ouch, thanks for nailing that error! I've corrected it, and hopefully made it clearer where the figure come from. The conversion rate is in a new citation. The annual 1795 community income was 1.5 guineas times twelve, times sixteen nuns. The McLaughlan citation covers the 1.5 guinea pension per nun, but I have found another, less reliable citable source which gives the sum as one guinea. However, McLaughlan was a nun at Stanbrook -so hopefully her book is trustworthy. Whatever, the nuns in Woolton weren't in such dire poverty as they made themselves out to be (IMHO not in poverty at all). Further, I would like to find out who arranged the pension, and how. Thanks also for the kind remarks. (BTW, if you are interested in questions of what sort of enclosure the nuns had, there's a big confusion as to when they went into papal enclosure. They claim 1880 I understand, but teaching girls is a big no-no in papal enclosure. They were teaching up to 1918.) Shubimperatrix (talk) 09:35, 25 October 2020 (UTC)

What ho!
Thanks for that, and very good to hear from you again. Occasional visits to your page have suggested you’re more D, B and K than usual! I’ve found Wikipedia in lockdown rather strange. I thought it would offer opportunities to do some stuff on here, but actually I’ve written less than I have in years. The enthusiasm’s just drained away - not really sure why. Anyway, hope you are well IRL, which matters rather more. All the best. KJP1 (talk) 14:13, 26 September 2020 (UTC)
 * And What Ho! to you too my dear chap. It is lovely to hear from you – thank you so much for writing. And thanks – specifically, thanks for the thanks for the thanks, if I have read this very complex diagram correctly. Seriously, I thanked you because I felt that you dealt with it so beautifully. I struggle all the time with stuff like that – so, yes, I am generally a bit D, B and K, and perhaps a touch more so at the moment than usually ... yes, you got that one right. Lockdown ... well, lockdown has been rather strange, personally and on here too. Yup. I was in a massive Wikisulk for quite a chunk of the period: I had a couple of run-ins with the higher levels of the Wikipedia food chain which were not massively successful or gratifying and did not leave me feeling that great about my involvement here. I should not/must not say any more but ... yeah. I know lots of editors go through this stuff, and deal with it in different ways. I am perhaps not at my best in dealing with it at present and I wonder if another break might be a good idea.
 * During-lockdown work was quite "interesting" – everything went online overnight and my work became all about videos and the web. I sort-of think I got through it OK but it had its moments – I seemed to work harder, perhaps, then than before. Then halfway through it all we decided to make a video, like absolutely everyone else in the world, and I accidentally became very, very involved, and that was another month of my life very thoroughly accounted for. I might send you a link if you are interested as it would look a bit self-promotional to put it on here. I am currently a bit post-surgical but getting there, and am planning on being back at work – actually physically there! – on Tuesday. Woo woo interesting,
 * So yes, I am sort of here and sort of not ... I am not quite sure what the future holds here (or, duh, anywhere!) ... we shall see how it goes. So great to hear from you, thanks again, cheers DBaK (talk) 20:17, 27 September 2020 (UTC)
 * May I recommend a stroll in a park to you two? Entrance on my talk ;) - Lovely to see you alive! - ... just notice: there's also a trumpet concerto, and it was live (pictured). --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:33, 27 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Thanks so much – great to hear from you and yes I shall go and look and listen ASAP. DBaK (talk) 21:23, 27 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Sadly, only pictured. Gorgeous sound from that long thing, - my memory says that the composer was Giuseppe Torelli. I had only time for that rehearsal. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:30, 27 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Ach schade, I was going to ask if there was a video! The Torelli is absolutely lovely. :) Must have been a lovely gig. DBaK (talk) 21:38, 27 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Looking forward to this concert with the orchestra of Der Ring in Minden --Gerda Arendt (talk) 19:44, 28 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Thanks – did this happen, or get cancelled, or is it still to happen? I have failed to find the page (sorry for my slow response). Cheers DBaK (talk) 08:31, 7 October 2020 (UTC)
 * It happened, no idea why the place was so quick to remove such a good thing, review, they play it again today (archive only until July), enjoy! I wrote about the violinist and the Sinfonietta, DYK? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 09:17, 7 October 2020 (UTC)
 * What a lovely programme, thanks . I didn't know the Poulenc so I am listening to it right now. Did you know that Felix Apprahamian said that a tree near his house (which is near our house) should have a plaque on it as it had been wee'd on by Poulenc? His obit mentions the tree. :) DBaK (talk) 12:03, 7 October 2020 (UTC)


 * violinist on the Main page today, - enchanting, said a critic about the Mendelssohn, - this video is older, and the YT in the article comes with a Bach encore, as she played for us. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:07, 11 October 2020 (UTC)
 * 16 October memories --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:00, 16 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Thank you Gerda! DBaK (talk) 20:35, 16 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Beautiful Main page today, don't miss the pic by a banned user (of a 2013 play critical of refugee politics), nor a related video, interviews in German, but music and scene. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 15:58, 29 October 2020 (UTC)
 * I should love to see the video! Mail the link, or post on here. Having worked on, and enjoyed, Articles for Creation a while back, believe me there is nothing self-promotional which you could possibly post that this place hasn’t already seen - in spades! Take care. KJP1 (talk) 20:45, 27 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Haha and a good point re promotion! In order to try and keep my WP and RL personas a little separate, I have emailed you the link. What can I say? It was a labour of love, with all the good and bad that that could imply! I really hope you enjoy it, and if you do not I will refund the admission charge! Cheers DBaK (talk) 21:25, 27 September 2020 (UTC)
 * No refund required - absolutely wonderful! The warmth and sense of togetherness, in our current, separated, world, was delightful. And, assuming my guess is right, you played an impressive array of instruments. From one who could barely pass muster on the triangle, and who was expelled from the choir when the music master said I had the most excruciating singing voice he’d ever heard, respect! KJP1 (talk) 22:03, 27 September 2020 (UTC)
 * thank you so much, and I am sorry for the slow reply. I am so glad you enjoyed it. Yes, that was me ... I wasn't trying to make it into a DBaKFest but we are a brass-playing school so I thought I had better go all out on that! Plus, to be honest, I needed to fill in some gaps in the layout. (shhh) As for the singing: hmmm, yes ... I am nominally singing in it too, that is, you can see my lips move. However, as an act of kindness to the public I am, shall we say, somewhat distant in the mix. As for the ukulele, I can only apologize: it was a birthday present and I was vastly overexcited by it. Thanks again for your kind comments. It was basically about a month of my life fulltime so I am not in a hurry to repeat it, but it was an amazing experience! cheers DBaK (talk) 08:31, 7 October 2020 (UTC)

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November
... dedicated to the memory of those who died - thank you for the string teacher! Did you see my latest pic, with two violins in the foreground, and the one singing behind them is the first violin in the trumpet concerto ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:24, 30 November 2020 (UTC)

Encyclopaedia or Encyclopedia
Thanks for your correction of this; will watch out for it. Tacyarg (talk) 08:18, 22 November 2020 (UTC)
 * Replied at t'other end, thanks. DBaK (talk) 12:47, 22 November 2020 (UTC)

Thanks
Hey just want to say thanks for cleaning up the page on the class 322.

Everything on the page is now how it should look so I’m really greatful for your work.

Kind Regards.

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Beethoven 250 years
Thank you so much for contribs to the birthday display! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 15:52, 16 December 2020 (UTC)
 * Thanks – it's a pleasure to have helped and I just wish I had had time to do more! With all good wishes DBaK (talk) 22:45, 16 December 2020 (UTC)

Newcastle
May I ask what you think is wrong with the edit? Mince pies (squinting eyes) (talk) 16:43, 21 December 2020 (UTC)
 * Can I just check, did you read my edit summary here? Does that not explain it? Maybe if you need to discuss it further then, in preference to here, that could be at the article's talk page where it will be subject to helpful scrutiny from others. Best wishes DBaK (talk) 17:14, 21 December 2020 (UTC)

Happy Christmas
I wish a very heartfelt Happy Christmas and/or all other possible seasonal and cultural etc greetings to friends/colleagues/fellow-editors/casual passersby on here! DBaK (talk) 12:39, 25 December 2020 (UTC)

Merry Christmas!
-- Ser Amantio di Nicolao Che dicono a Signa?Lo dicono a Signa. 21:22, 25 December 2020 (UTC)
 * Thank you very much,, that's lovely! all the best to you and yours too. DBaK (talk) 01:45, 26 December 2020 (UTC)

Afd
I started an Afd for Reedless wind instrument. Thought you might like to weigh in. -Special-T (talk) 19:22, 27 December 2020 (UTC)
 * Thank you – hmmm, interesting ... cheers DBaK (talk) 23:04, 27 December 2020 (UTC)

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Best wishes for the holidays

 * Thank you so much for the very nice message and terrific, windowed, Saint. Same best wishes to you and yours and, yes, the hope of things starting to come round in 2021. Cheers DBaK (talk) 15:23, 28 December 2020 (UTC)

Peaceful Christmas and a very Happy New Year
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Happy New Year!
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Trumpet
Hi DBaK,

Happy new year! I hope your holiday season and real life endeavors are going well. I'm drafting the Trumpet article here and I thought you might be interested. Any comments/criticisms are welcome, although I should note I only have a rough outline. Cheers, Ovinus (talk) 22:32, 3 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Thanks, and Happy New Year to you too. I will try to have a look when I can. Cheers DBaK (talk) 23:28, 3 January 2021 (UTC)

In friendship
Thank you for help with the Jerome Kohl article, remembered in friendship --Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:22, 28 January 2021 (UTC)

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February flowers
happy Valentine's! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:20, 14 February 2021 (UTC)
 * Thank you so much Gerda. Lovely flowers! DBaK (talk) 10:28, 18 February 2021 (UTC)
 * They are blooming now, again (pic from last year). Today, we have Doris Stockhausen on her 97th birthday ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:33, 28 February 2021 (UTC)

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Misclick
You're right, I have a Chromebook with painful browser lag, leading to misclicks.  Acroterion   (talk)   21:53, 7 March 2021 (UTC)
 * – No worries, and thanks! Cheers DBaK (talk) 21:54, 7 March 2021 (UTC)

Fortified gateway
Thanks for spotting that. I'd cut and paste from another article that was being complained about! Hopefully it reads properly now. Bermicourt (talk) 21:04, 10 March 2021 (UTC)
 * Hi – you're very very welcome, and please feel free to delete my note on your Talk page as soon as you like, since it is not helping with anything now! Cheers DBaK (talk) 21:07, 10 March 2021 (UTC)

Break
Maybe a bit of a break is a good idea. I will try to stay away a little while. See you soon (edit: or soonish), love to all DBaK (talk) 10:11, 11 March 2021 (UTC)

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