User talk:Rich Farmbrough/Archive/2015 April

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read the whole story - and note how complex things could get
I was asked which editors had supported what I considered SYNTH in the PNAC article. said he had not supported the SYNTH, and I struck his name - said he had not supported the edit - and he accused me in several places of "Thanks for the ping, I also had no idea that a dispute I am involved in (and my actions/edits) were being discussed (and grossly misrepresented) here. Fyddlestix (talk) 01:30, 16 March 2015 (UTC)", " Also, this is just petty. Your refusal to accept RS as RS is the reason why that article is over-cited. Fyddlestix (talk) 05:01, 16 March 2015 (UTC) ",   "@Collect:, this is not about the article or the AFD. It's about your behavior. You knowingly made false statements about me, Ubikwit, JBH, and Mr X's position on this issue above, behind our backs, without notifying us. " (note that since then I ping anyone whom I mention in any post where remotely applicable). Then
 *  The AFD could land on delete right now and I'd happily accept that - what I cannot accept is your refusal to take responsibility for your own lies, misrepresentations, and insults. misrepresentations. Fyddlestix (talk) 13:52, 16 March 2015 (UTC)   sure looks like hFyddlestix directly and specifically accused me of lying - before I suggested that he was, alas, the one who forgot his own stated stance.

Meanwhile has iterated claims that I charged editors with Anti-Semitism - which is a gross and flagrant accusation one well ought to take umbrage at " Collect has invoked McCarthy here, here, here, here, here, and here (with a bonus implication of anti-Semitism), and that's just in the last couple of days. ... MastCell 17:48, 16 March 2015 (UTC),   and the wonderful calumnies iterated as "Collect has kept up a steady drumbeat of comments and edit summaries which backhandedly imply that his opponents are promoting anti-semitism, conspiracy ..." (from Fyddlestix),  Mastcell: ''  Ubikwit has edit-warred to restore extremely dubious external links, while Collect has repeated unsubstantiated and irresponsible accusations of anti-Semitism against Ubikwit. MastCell Talk 06:52, 6 February 2015)  "  which has the exceedingly minor problem that I have never ever accused  of anti-Semitism -- which I pointed out to Mastcell at.

But since he iterates the same abusive claim that I called anyone "anti-Semitic" I trust you will show as much umbrage as at my use of "lie" where the other party made the specific accusation first. And files an SPI on me when I was unable to respond to the absurd claims made therein. Cheers. If ArbCom would give me sufficient space to answer each "charge" at length - as with the "Collect used the word 'lie'" argument, the case would take me over 60 hours to prepare, and over 10,000 words. Cheers. And please avoid judging anyone on the basis of a single post wrenched from context - it is not a good idea. If you were repeatedly accused of calling someone "anti-Semitic" - would you let it slide with three words? But hell -- MastCell at   calls me Charles Pooter,     states the PNAC SYNTH (found so at AfD) was not a BLP violation , and the like.

For the harassment allegation - I sent the list of diffs to several arbs - which they should certainly know about. Why not to AE? Because I was unable to post at AE as I pointed out to. Just as I was unable to answer the SPI accusation made by Fyddlestix. I trust you can see why folks making multiple simultaneous actions against a user might conceivably be viewed as harassment by that user? I have thought you generally of sound judgment, and ask now that you consider this post in the light of a rapid judgment that I was guilty of saying "lie" when the other editor made that precise accusation against me - and no one gives a damn. What I did was use his own claim against him - with diffs. Cheers. Collect (talk) 23:40, 1 April 2015 (UTC)

I found the "lie" quote most applicable:
 * " Sorry Fyddlestix - you supported the material, and saying I lied when I said you supported it is not precisely accurate. Collect (talk) 07:54, 25 March 2015 (UTC) (please also copy as this is a particularly horrid accusation against me which I suggest my diffs completely demolish. I had long ago corrected my listing of MrX as inapt.) "

from my UT page current. I daresay it is not exactly what you had imagined my language usage to be. Collect (talk) 23:54, 1 April 2015 (UTC)


 * I'm not sure what this is in response to, maybe my comment at the request for arbitration. I thought I was very clear that I believed there was a prima facie case that there were behavioural issues here. I have been careful not to ascribe blame, for two reasons:
 * As you say these things are often complicated and need proper investigation to fully understand them.
 * Secondly there is not always someone to blame. People take statements with a more negative intent than was intended, and often reply in kind.
 * In this case, for example, "akin to Mc Carthyism" (or whatever the phraseology was) is interpreted as an accusation of Mc Carthyism. It's not an enormous leap, and one that we should be wary of giving other editors the chance to make.
 * I agree for example, that your statement
 * I agree for example, that your statement

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 * does not explicitly accuse anyone of anti-semitism.  It can however be read that way.  It can also be read as anti-semitic in itself.
 * These are places we need to choose our words with extreme care. For example we should never " contribute any such implications or inferences about living persons" - or indeed anything.  But you seem to want to say (and you should have made it perfectly clear if not) that we should not state such a thing outright.
 * This I think is the substantive point. If such a thing were attested by reliable sources, as for example in the case of Lord Haw Haw (were he still alive), we would absolutely be right to say so, it would not be a contradiction of BLP.  If it were a controversy that was widely noted in reliable sources, we would be absolutely right to report the controversy.
 * BLP is designed to avoid Wikipedia being the cause of unnecessary suffering through the repetition of unsourced or poorly sourced gossip, and to maintain general accuracy. It is not a protection against well sourced fact, or a tool to cover up the fact that notable allegations were made, when that is widely and reliably sourced.  For example the false rape allegation against the Hamiltons are (rightly) documented on Wikipedia.
 * It would be crazy if we (society/Wikipedia) were to protect people to the extent that we cannot talk about hier associations. That, I think, is why there is no BLP ground to the PNAC/Bush argument.  There is certainly a discussion to be had about SYNTH, COATRACK and maybe NPOV (if, for example, many of the PNC signatories ended up working for Obama).
 * All the best: Rich Farmbrough, 16:14, 3 April 2015 (UTC).
 * All the best: Rich Farmbrough, 16:14, 3 April 2015 (UTC).

Thank you!
Hi Rich Farmbrough, thank you very much for your welcome message and for the useful links too. I really appreciate it. I am very new to Wikipedia and I am trying to learn as much as I can. If you have any advice, please do pass this on! I look forward to contributing in the future. All the best, (Amymiller104 (talk) 15:44, 2 April 2015 (UTC))
 * You are welcome! All the best: Rich Farmbrough, 16:16, 3 April 2015 (UTC).

Speedy deletion nomination of Kutcha house
Hello Rich Farmbrough,

I wanted to let you know that I just tagged Kutcha house for deletion, because it seems to be a test. Did you know that the Wikipedia Sandbox is available for testing out edits?

If you feel that the article shouldn't be deleted and want more time to work on it, you can contest this deletion, but please don't remove the speedy deletion tag from the top.

You can leave a note on my talk page if you have questions. ubiquity (talk) 17:04, 2 April 2015 (UTC)
 * ✅  All the best: Rich Farmbrough, 17:56, 2 April 2015 (UTC).

Reference errors on 2 April
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 * All the best: Rich Farmbrough, 01:24, 3 April 2015 (UTC).

The Signpost: 01 April 2015

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Wikidata weekly summary #152
Here's your quick overview of what has been happening around Wikidata over the last week. Read the full report &middot; Unsubscribe &middot; John F. Lewis 15:12, 5 April 2015 (UTC)
 * Discussions
 * Closed RfC: Reforming administrator inactivity criteria
 * Events/Blogs/Press
 * WikiArabia takes place in Monastir, Tunisia, 3-5 April
 * The GLAM-WIKI 2015 conference in The Hague (10-12 April) features several presentations and tutorials about Wikidata for/with cultural institutions.
 * The Library world will use Wikidata to link its information to any and all Wikipedias. No longer English only, but every Wikipedia will be exposed in this way.
 * Freebase, SEO and Wikidata
 * Office hour on IRC covering overall status/development, Freebase and admin inactivity criteria RfC. You can read the log.
 * Other Noteworthy Stuff
 * Magnus wrote a short tour of Wikidata's tool ecosystem.
 * A first version of the Primary Sources Tool has been released. It'll help with migrating Freebase data and more.
 * Italian Wikipedia's quality festival is focusing on interwiki links and Wikidata this month. Help them out?
 * Lots of new databases have been added to Mix n Match.
 * Screenshots of the current state of new constraint reports and checks against 3rd party databases have been posted.
 * Did you know?
 * Newest properties: choreographer, senat.fr ID, Great Aragonese Encyclopedia ID
 * Development
 * Wikidata development started 3 years ago. <3 to everyone who is a part of it.
 * Went through all the feedback we got for improving watchlist integration on Wikipedia and co and posted our assesment
 * Put the infrastructure for creating Turtle-Beta dumps in place. All new Wikidata dumps will be in https://dumps.wikimedia.org/wikidatawiki/entities/ from Monday on (the old * directory will be kept around and receive new json dumps for backwards compatibility).
 * Reduced size of entities pages by removing no longer needed data (to make the UI faster).
 * Fixed bug that sometimes caused dates and other types of values to be cut short when quickly saving. (T92831)
 * Fixed issues with setting focus after clicking edit.
 * Monthly Tasks
 * Hack on one of these.
 * Help fix these items which have been flagged using Wikidata - The Game.
 * Help develop the next summary here!
 * Contribute to a Showcase item
 * Help translate or proofread pages in your own language!

Gender gap graphic
Hey, Rich, you recently put up a graph showing the (increasing) level of female participation over time, I think on Jimbotalk. I need to scarf that for a thread at Wikipediocracy for somebody that has called me on my assertion that the gender gap is actually more like 80-20 than 90-10. Where might that graphic be located? Best regards, —Tim /// Carrite (talk) 15:49, 6 April 2015 (UTC)
 * File:FM editor ratio over time en WP.png

Murder of Kylie Maybury
Hi Is it worth trying to obtain contact details for the victim's family, to get their approval for the Wikipedia entry on Kylie? Given that, unlike some other famous cases, there is no Kylie Maybury Foundation or such founded by the family, they may value their privacy. Paul Austin (talk) 09:16, 8 April 2015 (UTC)
 * I'm sure they do value their privacy, and that's probably a good reason for not contacting them. If they requested it to be deleted or changed, and WP:Policy did not allow that, it might create distress for no reason.  On the other hand were they to contact us, any request should be taken seriously.
 * All the best: Rich Farmbrough, 11:00, 8 April 2015 (UTC).

Kurdish main dialects
Please please don't revert me here. :-) - your last revert restored some content to a redirect, I think you and Fastily got that wrong. Dougweller (talk) 12:48, 7 April 2015 (UTC)
 * This content was supposed to be merged. I have put it on the talk page of the target article.  All the best: Rich Farmbrough, 12:00, 8 April 2015 (UTC).


 * Ah, thanks for the explanation and for sorting that. Dougweller (talk) 12:30, 8 April 2015 (UTC)

sorry but no talk page where i should say
got your talk from you being the last to edit the autobiography filter i was pursuing the filter list and decided to look. i came across the new user check in the autobiography filter and it occurred to be that it checks if the user has edited 25 times or more. in this case it looks like all one needs to do is correct grammar 25 times and then they are able to make or edit an autobiography...

wouldn't removing the edit count be not only a good idea but also use one less unit? Qazwiz (talk) 14:34, 8 April 2015 (UTC)
 * They are able to edit anyway, that edit filter only warns and logs.
 * If we didn't have some limitation, it might cause eternal problems for a user called "Turtle" who edits turtle articles, or users with very short names.
 * It uses less compute time, because comparing numbers is very quick, and in most cases we are going to avoid a relatively slow text comparison.
 * All the best: Rich Farmbrough, 16:55, 8 April 2015 (UTC).

The Signpost: 08 April 2015

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Wikidata weekly summary #153
Here's your quick overview of what has been happening around Wikidata over the last week. Read the full report &middot; Unsubscribe &middot; John F. Lewis 21:02, 11 April 2015 (UTC)
 * Events/Blogs/Press
 * Wikidata by country, or: The Wealth of Nation's Data
 * Wikidata the Game - one year in
 * Ongoing: GLAM-Wiki 2015
 * Other Noteworthy Stuff
 * Build a RSS image feed based on a query
 * Periodic table based on Wikidata data by Ricordisamoa
 * ~8000 biographical items with dates in the description, but no birth/death date statements
 * Magnus says ~8% (~1.4M) of all Wikidata items do not have any site links to Wikipedia etc.; knowledge that exists exclusively on Wikidata
 * Bene* wrote a user script that adds a filter bar above the statement section and lets you filter it
 * Magnus wrote a quick user script to move identifiers into the right sidebar to show how a statement section without identifiers would look like. This came up as part of a longer discussion on the mailinglist about moving identifier statements into their own section. Progress is being tracked at T95287.
 * Samsung releases Freebase-Wikidata mappings in CC0: 4.4M pairs generated from Wikipedia links and custom code
 * Thanks to Bene* hovercards now also work for items and properties
 * New tool by Magnus for Wikidata item labels
 * Did you know?
 * Newest properties: short name, list of episodes, named as
 * New task forces: Star Wars, Open Access
 * Development
 * We are going to change the way value suggestions are ranked when entering a new statement. This will help with "male" and "female" not showing up among the top suggestions. Previously we ranked by number of sitelinks. We will change this to the maximum of sitelinks and labels. So if an item has labels in many languages but no sitelinks like "male" and "female" it will still show up high in the suggestions. (T94404)
 * Discussed how to move forward with identifiers. Outcome: They should get their own datatype. (T95287)
 * Implemented arbitrary access for the parser function. This can be invoked on the wikis that have arbitrary access enabled by using  . So far this is only Wikidata itself.
 * Did further performance work on the client (Wikipedia and co) in preparation for arbitrary access
 * Improved the performance of wbgetentities significantly when loading a large number of entities
 * Wrote more browser tests for different datavalues
 * Further work on RDF mapping and dumps
 * Fixed in other language box showing old data (T90893)
 * Fixed language fallback on Special:Recent changes and Special:Contributions
 * Added language fallback for the tooltip on badge icons
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Upcoming attractions in DC
 Hello!

Here are some upcoming DC meetups in April and May:


 * Tuesday, April 14: National Archives Hackathon on Wikipedia Space with American University – 2:30-5pm
 * See the latest work on the Wikipedia Space exhibit in the new NARA Innovation Hub and brainstorm on new ideas for a public exhibit about Wikipedia
 * Friday, April 17: Women in Tech Edit-a-thon with Tech LadyMafia – 5-9pm
 * Team up with Tech LadyMafia to improve Wikipedia content on women in the history of technology.
 * Saturday, April 25: April Dinner Meetup – 6 PM
 * Dinner and drinks with your fellow Wikipedians!
 * Friday, May 1: International Labour Day Edit-a-Thon – 1:30 PM to 4:30 PM
 * An edit-a-thon at the University of Maryland

Hope to see you at these events! If you have any questions or require any special accommodations, please let me know.

Cheers,

James Hare To remove yourself from this mailing list, remove your name from this list. 22:18, 13 April 2015 (UTC)

ISO 3166 templates
Are the templates documented using ISO 3166 conversion template doc actually in use? There are an awful lot of them, they're gumming up my results for https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:PrefixIndex&prefix=ISO&namespace=10, and they strike me as something of a maintenance nightmare in their current form. &mdash;SamB (talk) 00:54, 14 April 2015 (UTC)

Black Lives Matter Entry
Hi, looking for some rationale as to why you sliced out entire segments of the Black Lives Matter entry which had references? --Aliceba (talk) 15:05, 15 April 2015 (UTC)
 * The article had become too focussed on a very few people, rather than the national and international grass-roots movement. I plan to re-incorporate most of that material.   All the best: Rich Farmbrough, 16:18, 15 April 2015 (UTC).

The Signpost: 15 April 2015

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Wikidata weekly summary #154
Here's your quick overview of what has been happening around Wikidata over the last week. Read the full report &middot; Unsubscribe &middot; John F. Lewis 09:52, 19 April 2015 (UTC)
 * Discussions
 * Open RfA: Aldnonymous
 * RfC: Review of "change datatype to monolingual" actions for some properties, Adopt Help:Classification as an official help page
 * Events/Blogs/Press
 * Redirects on Wikidata
 * Other Noteworthy Stuff
 * Tool by Magnus to find wrong nationalities on Wikidata
 * Where am I? (figuring out your location based on geocoordinates in Wikidata)
 * Map of French national parks
 * Histropedia published 5 query generator spreadsheets
 * Wikimedia's monthly GLAM (Galleries, Libraries, Archives, Museums) newsletter now includes a Wikidata report. The draft for the first edition, covering April, may be edited and your contributions will be welcome.
 * Did you know?
 * Newest properties: Baseball-Reference.com minor league player ID, Baseball-Reference.com major league player ID, road number, BAnQ ID, DSH object ID, Open Food Facts food category slug, Open Food Facts food additive slug, genealogics.org personID, Kaiserhof ID, addressee, National Portrait Gallery (London) person identifier, RSL book's identifier, name in kana
 * Development
 * Made label, description and aliases special pages easier to use
 * Bene* created a new Special:ListProperties special page to list properties by data type
 * Expanded our set of automated browser tests
 * Made language fallbacks work in more situations and more consistently. In particular, the entity selector now uses language fallback. This should benefit especially people who want to use Wikidata in a variant such as en-gb.
 * Continued work on the planned DataModel 3.0 release
 * Continued discussing and documenting future calendar model support
 * Continued work on our RDF generator
 * Continued work on usage tracking for labels on multilingual sites
 * Addshore worked on various issues regarding redirects
 * Addshore worked on a special page to turn an item into a redirect
 * Work on showing entity labels in edit summaries on history pages
 * Implemented change dispatching based on the new usage tracking mechanism
 * Fixed issue with page deletions on some Wikipedias not being reported to Wikidata
 * More work on straightening out date formatting and parsing
 * Fixed handling of scientific notation for quantity values
 * Term box: fixed bug causing stale info to be show, and another bug causing babel languages to be ignored sometimes.
 * Implemented access to other arbitrary items via the #property parser function
 * Bene* implemented check to make sure two properties can not have the same alias only differing in capitalization
 * Monthly Tasks
 * Hack on one of these.
 * Help fix these items which have been flagged using Wikidata - The Game.
 * Help develop the next summary here!
 * Contribute to a Showcase item
 * Help translate or proofread pages in your own language!
 * Add labels, in your own language, for the new properties listed above.

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Wikidata weekly summary #155
Here's your quick overview of what has been happening around Wikidata over the last week. Read the full report &middot; Unsubscribe &middot; Lydia Pintscher (WMDE) 14:00, 26 April 2015 (UTC)
 * Discussions
 * RfC: Opting out of Global sysops 2
 * Events/Blogs/Press
 * Wikidata emerges as central element of GLAM-WIKI 2015
 * ongoing: Coding DaVinci
 * Other Noteworthy Stuff
 * The question that started Wikidata has finally been answered! Thank you Markus! ;-)
 * Wikimedia Sverige adapted two brochures about Wikidata, one for GLAMs and one for researchers.
 * Bene* has been working on making Wikidata work nicely on mobile. You can check the current status on a demo system.
 * Amir could use your help with automatic transliteration of human names
 * Commons-WD: a tool to edit Wikidata based on a Commons category
 * Various improvements to the Primary Sources Tool including:
 * Edits made with it will now say so in the edit summary
 * It now uses the URL blacklist to not suggest low-quality references
 * Caching issues were fixed
 * Did you know?
 * Newest properties: Kiev street code, blood type, Perry Index, input set, SSR Name ID, SSR WrittenForm ID, INPN Code, Nasjonalbiblioteket photographer ID, distribution map, anti-virus alias, HathiTrust id, common name, Global Anabaptist Mennonite Encyclopedia Online identifier, Swedish district code, investigated by, US Federal Election Commission identifier, PSS-archi ID, Gaoloumi ID, draft pick number, GrassBase ID, electorate, owner of, Roud Folk Song Index, IPI Code, ISWC
 * There are a number of user boxes you can add to your user page to indicate interests and which wiki projects you belong to.
 * Development
 * On Tuesday, we are deploying usage tracking (no arbitrary access yet) to Dutch Wikipedia and French Wikisource, and subscription tracking on Wikidata. There should be no noticeable changes for users. These are necessary steps towards enabling arbitrary access in clients.
 * Worked on making language fallback work in the suggester (when adding a new statement or searching for an item)
 * More work on RDF output and the query service
 * Added Special:RedirectEntity for redirecting items
 * Investigated and working to fix JS bug on items with “invalid” values (92975)
 * Did work towards having entity ids in revision histories and in diffs linked with their label (like on watchlists or in the recentchanges)
 * Monthly Tasks
 * Hack on one of these.
 * Help fix these items which have been flagged using Wikidata - The Game.
 * Help develop the next summary here!
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 * Help translate or proofread pages in your own language!
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Not so joyful
You created this page but it appears you meant it to be User:Not so joyful. I have nominated it for deletion to clean up; over to you to re-welcome the user! RichardOSmith (talk) 20:10, 26 April 2015 (UTC)
 * Many thanks! All the best: Rich Farmbrough, 20:12, 26 April 2015 (UTC).

A cupcake for you!

 * Yum! All the best: Rich Farmbrough, 15:53, 28 April 2015 (UTC).

Welcoming users
Hi Rich! Can you use welcoming template from my talkpage? Yours just don't have help me template wikified. Thanks.--Mishae (talk) 21:24, 28 April 2015 (UTC)

Like look on mine and now look at yours. See the difference?--Mishae (talk) 21:27, 28 April 2015 (UTC)
 * All the best: Rich Farmbrough, 21:29, 28 April 2015 (UTC).

Slow Waltz in Cedar Bend
I've thought about it before, but just couldn't! Thanks! The world sometimes like to forget what it actually bought (in droves!) at one time.--Milowent • has<span style="position:relative;bottom:-2.0ex;left:-3.2ex;*left:-5.5ex;">spoken 20:17, 29 April 2015 (UTC)
 * There are surprising gaps in widely held, or "best-selling" coverage. Not having read this, I couldn't write much about it, but I imagine some of its many readers will fill in the article in time.  All the best: Rich Farmbrough, 21:55, 29 April 2015 (UTC).