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Administrators' newsletter – May 2020
News and updates for administrators from the past month (April 2020). Administrator changes
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 * Discretionary sanctions have been authorized for all pages and edits related to COVID-19, to be logged at WP:GS/COVID19.
 * Following a recent discussion on Meta-Wiki, the edit filter maintainer global group has been created.
 * A request for comment has been proposed to create a new main page editor usergroup.
 * A request for comment has been proposed to make the bureaucrat activity requirements more strict.

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 * The Editing team has been working on the talk pages project. You can review the proposed design and share your thoughts on the talk page.
 * created a script that will show a link to the proper Special:Undelete page when viewing a since-deleted revision, see User:Enterprisey/link-deleted-revs.

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 * A request for comment closed with consensus to create a Village Pump-style page for communication with the Wikimedia Foundation.

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Archive Sent by MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 01:19, 2 May 2020 (UTC)

Nomination for deletion of Template:Non-English-language external links category
Template:Non-English-language external links category has been nominated for deletion. You are invited to comment on the discussion at the template's entry on the Templates for discussion page. Gonnym (talk) 00:56, 3 May 2020 (UTC)

Leon Merian
I saw you that you created the page for Leon Merian. There was a template to expand the discog. but I couldn't find very much to add. The article is thin on content, but that may be because there's not much written about the subject. To me it makes more sense to create articles about notable people, because notable have been written about and therefore editors can get information from those written sources. The more obscure a person is, the less likely sources will exist, and the more likely the article will be deleted, in which case you have wasted your time and others'. If I were to create an article, which I haven't done often, I would first ask not, "Is this person important?" but "Is there enough published information out there to write an article of substance?" To avoid asking this question first is to engage in a kind of fairly tale wishful thinking and belief in magical people who will show up to do our work for us. Notable people don't require a lot of hunting for sources. That's a clue for notability. There over 27,000 articles in Wikiproject Jazz, over 4000 on the Cleanup Listing, and most of the work is being done by two of us. There are many more articles which need work but which haven't been tagged. Even articles without tags aren't that great. I've tried to do my best, but if we are going to make progress, I'm going to need cooperation. People should not make deletion discussions a fight to the death. Nor should they create article after article, or red link after red link, about people who are not notable and whose articles will likely never be written or expanded. It's not hard to tell from the first moment whether a person is notable or not. Jazz purchases make up less than one percent of the music industry, less than classical, so in a real sense all jazz musicians are obscure. I would like to see people try to work together rather than be content with "doing their own thing". If you have any more articles like Leon Merian that you created, I suggest you take a look at them, add sources to them, clean them up, improve them, or propose that they be deleted. Given that the jazz backlog goes back twelve years, this is a good time to consider who is being helped by the endless creation of jazz articles that will never be written. I believe no one is helped by that, but if you want to help, I can give you some ideas. Vmavanti (talk) 03:46, 3 May 2020 (UTC)
 * While you can often determine that someone is notable it is very hard to tell if someone is not notable. Google is not the last word, a huge quantity of information is behind walls of one kind or another.
 * This article is important because it was part of a project to capture pseudonyms. Other aspects of the peoples lives come from other sources, but where I have created an article I have attempted to provide multiple sources.
 * In this case finding more sources is not hard, I will add some to the article shortly.
 * As to the human resource issue, it is something I agree with wholeheartedly, research into why this is varies, but the fact that we treat some of our longstanding contributors so badly is probably a big part of it.
 * I will have a look to see how I can help specifically in the J jazz arena.
 * All the best: Rich Farmbrough  (the apparently calm and reasonable) 17:03, 3 May 2020 (UTC).

Vmavanti (talk) 14:08, 8 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Thanks for responding. Many people don't. The internet generations have created a new form of ignoring which is nothing to be proud of. Your comments about notability involve an exaggeration and a contradiction. Given that the same standard is being used, knowing who is notable and who is not notable is more or less the same. I don't understand why in your mind they are separate. We start with a relatively small pool of data: The jazz world is tiny, and relatively speaking it's a world little covered by books, magazines, newspapers, and web sites. Although I agree Google isn't the last word on research, it can be the first word and therefore an indicator of what's available. Moreover, a little bit of common sense helps in addition to a little knowledge of the subject. These tell me a leader is more likely to be notable than a sideman, because more is likely to be written. A baseball comparison might reveal the mistake too many people make. They want to write about the guy who was at bat once in his career rather than the guy who hit all the home runs or who pitched a no-hitter. They feel there is something morally superior about obscurity, and that's who they want to write about and "save" for posterity. As a result, they ignore the important subjects and spend their time on fruitless searches for obscure sources: An album that reached No. 27 on a chart in Finland, a jazz magazine article in Japanese, a dissertation on double bass strings at Arkansas State Community College and Bar & Grill. That isn't research. It's romantic ideation. Someone ought to write a book on impartiality and how to achieve it, because it's an important skill I wish more people had.
 * Essentially the distinction I am drawing is between false positives and false negatives. If you can find the right sources then notability is established.  If you can't then either they don't exist or you simply failed to find them.
 * For phenomena of the last hundred years or so paywalls, either copyright related or de-facto, make access to sources difficult. Even reasonably large library systems "cleanse" their holdings, and unless you work on a narrow area and have funds, buying books is not practical.
 * All the best: Rich Farmbrough  (the apparently calm and reasonable) 14:30, 8 May 2020 (UTC).

Vmavanti (talk) 14:09, 8 May 2020 (UTC)
 * And for God's sake, stop capitalizing "jazz"...
 * Yep, I guess I had just been reading too many of our articles... All the best: Rich Farmbrough  (the apparently calm and reasonable) 14:12, 8 May 2020 (UTC).

Wikidata weekly summary #414
Here's your quick overview of what has been happening around Wikidata over the last week. 
 * Discussions
 * New request for comments: A meta item namespace (Mxxx) for structured data about Wikidata


 * Events
 * Competition for the International Museum Day is about improving data about museums in Austria, France, Germany, Italy and Switzerland on Wikidata, from 3 May 2020 to 18 May 2020, more information on Museum Day 2020/Wikidata Competition
 * Upcoming: Next Linked Data for Libraries LD4 Wikidata Affinity Group call: Alex Jung on Wikidata and Wikipedia Infoboxes, 05 May. Agenda
 * Upcoming: live SPARQL queries in French by Vigneron, Tuesday May 5 at 20:00 CEST (UTC+2)


 * Press, articles, blog posts, videos
 * Wikipedia Weekly Network - LIVE Wikidata editing: YouTube
 * Art+Feminism Office Hours: Introduction to Editing Wikidata: YouTube
 * Webinar on why and how to contribute to Wikipedia and Wikidata? (in French): YouTube


 * Tool of the week
 * ProWD explores completeness for entities and classes.


 * Other Noteworthy Stuff
 * MachtSinn, a tool that allows you to easily add Senses to Lexemes, has lately been improved significantly
 * 33,000 values of British Museum person or institution ID (d:Property:P1711) now have a useful target again. After their being mostly inoperative for several years, the new British Museum website now has information pages matching these values, with links to related objects. (Example). To work around bug T112081, a script by Andrew Gray is going through the items making null edits to update the relevant URLs.
 * Outdated copy of wb_terms has been dropped on April 29th


 * Did you know?


 * Newest properties:
 * General datatypes: none
 * External identifiers: COVIDWHO ID, Sicilian Regional Assembly ID, Sicilian Regional Assembly numeric ID, Accademia delle Scienze di Torino ID, Republic of Korea Parliamentarian Society ID, NKAA ID, MémorialGenWeb monument ID, History Colorado ID, SciProfiles ID, Bibliotheca Augustana author ID, CONI honoured ID, DGHS facility code, Diels-Kranz ID, DPVweb ID, Maryland's National Register Properties ID, Encyclopaedia Metallum label ID, WhatDoTheyKnow organisation ID, FactGrid item ID, Heritage Gateway ID, RPPS ID, Priset of Archidiecezja Gdańska ID, Sejm-Wielki.pl profile ID, Extratime.ie player ID, Slovak Registration ID, Infames Romani ID, Itch.io developer profile, Oregon Historic Sites Database ID


 * New property proposals to review:
 * General datatypes: Ex-libris, tabular case data, Geneanet URL(s), transitivity, Compatible with
 * External identifiers: DPE school code, identifiant Prix de Lausanne, CDAPNC author ID, identificativo Giunta regionale della Sicilia, Goodreads work ID, Wikilengua, BeWeb cultural institution ID, Anagrafe Istituti Culturali Ecclesiastici ID, Group Properties wiki ID, House Divided ID, Southwest Harbor Public Library item, Gitabitan.net ID, The Conversation author ID


 * Query examples:
 * Map of countries receiving the Nobel peace prize (Source)
 * Map of geolocated Argentine libraries (Source)
 * Recipes that include garlic (Source)
 * Images of postcards from the catalog of the Regional bibliography of Saxony (Source)
 * French municipalities which have the property "archived by" (P485) for the departmental archives of Bouches-du-Rhône (Source)
 * Municipalities with less than 5,000 inhabitants in the Basque Country (Source)
 * People born in Wales who became head of government in Wales or overseas (Source)
 * Average stardate of Star Trek episodes (Source)
 * Municipalities in mainland France with more than 50,000 inhabitants (Source)
 * Graph showing direct ancestral lines linking Boris Johnson and George I, and Jesus and Abraham (Source)
 * Photos by Carlton Watkins with their collection (Source)
 * Works from Louvre Museum whose inventory number begins with an S (Source)
 * Works from the Islamic arts department of Louvre Museum (Source)
 * Map of artists with place of their birth on Wikidata (Source)
 * Location and image of the cathedrals of Paris (Source)
 * [https://query.wikidata.org/#%23With%20pictures%0A%0A%23died%20in%20Treblinka%20Q152010%20%28none%29%0A%23died%20in%20Sobibor%20Q152658%20%28none%29%0A%23died%20in%20Auschwitz-Birkenau%20Q7341%0A%23died%20in%20Theresienstadt%20%0A%0ASELECT%20DISTINCT%20%3Fitem%20%3FitemLabel%20%3Fpic%20%3Fdatedied%20%3FplacediedLabel%20%3Fplacedied%20%3Fchild%20%3FchildLabel%20%3Fownedby%20%3FownedbyLabel%20%3Fdepicts%20%3FdepictsLabel%20%3Fdepictedby%20%3FdepictedbyLabel%20%3FcountryLabel%20%3Fownerof%20%3FownerofLabel%20%3Fspouse%20%3Femployer%20%3FemployerLabel%20%3FspouseLabel%20%3Fmother%20%3FmotherLabel%20%3Ffather%20%3FfatherLabel%20%3Fsibling%20%3FsiblingLabel%20%3Finvestby%20%3FinvestbyLabel%20%3Fsigperson%20%3FsigpersonLabel%20%3Fparty%20%3FpartyLabel%20%3Fpartner%20%3FpartnerLabel%20WHERE%20%7B%0A%7B%20%3Fitem%20wdt%3AP106%20wd%3AQ1792450.%7D%20UNION%20%7B%20%3Fitem%20wdt%3AP31%20wd%3AQ1007870.%20%7D%20UNION%20%7B%20%3Fitem%20wdt%3AP106%20wd%3AQ173950.%7D%20UNION%20%7B%20%3Fitem%20wdt%3AP921%20wd%3AQ328376.%7D%20UNION%20%7B%20%3Fitem%20wdt%3AP106%20wd%3AQ10732476.%7D%20UNION%20%7B%20%3Fitem%20wdt%3AP106%20wd%3AQ446966.%7D%20UNION%20%7B%20%3Fitem%20wdt%3AP106%20wd%3AQ22132694.%7D%20UNION%20%7B%20%3Fitem%20wdt%3AP106%20wd%3AQ674426.%7D%0A%0A%0ASERVICE%20wikibase%3Alabel%20%7B%20bd%3AserviceParam%20wikibase%3Alanguage%20%22en%22%20%7D%0A%7B%3Fitem%20wdt%3AP20%20wd%3AQ7341.%7D%20UNION%20%7B%3Fitem%20wdt%3AP20%20wd%3AQ160175.%7D%0A%20%20%3Fitem%20wdt%3AP18%20%3Fpic.%0AOPTIONAL%20%7B%20%3Fitem%20wdt%3AP127%20%3Fownedby.%20%7D%0AOPTIONAL%20%7B%20%3Fitem%20wdt%3AP570%20%3Fdatedied.%20%7D%0AOPTIONAL%20%7B%20%3Fitem%20wdt%3AP20%20%3Fplacedied.%20%7D%0AOPTIONAL%20%7B%20%3Fitem%20wdt%3AP180%20%3Fdepicts.%20%7D%0AOPTIONAL%20%7B%20%3Fitem%20wdt%3AP921%20%3Fplunder.%20%7D%0AOPTIONAL%20%7B%20%3Fitem%20wdt%3AP1830%20%3Fownerof.%20%7D%0AOPTIONAL%20%7B%20%3Fitem%20wdt%3AP108%20%3Femployer.%20%7D%0AOPTIONAL%20%7B%20%3Fitem%20wdt%3AP569%20%3Fbirth.%20%7D%0AOPTIONAL%20%7B%20%3Fitem%20wdt%3AP40%20%3Fchild.%20%7D%0AOPTIONAL%20%7B%20%3Fitem%20wdt%3AP214%20%3FVIAF_ID.%20%7D%0AOPTIONAL%20%7B%20%3Fitem%20wdt%3AP19%20%3Fplace_birth.%20%7D%0AOPTIONAL%20%7B%20%3Fitem%20wdt%3AP244%20%3FLibrary_of_Congress_authority_ID.%20%7D%0AOPTIONAL%20%7B%20%3Fitem%20wdt%3AP227%20%3FGND_ID.%20%7D%0AOPTIONAL%20%7B%20%3Fitem%20wdt%3AP245%20%3FULAN_ID.%20%7D%0AOPTIONAL%20%7B%20%3Fitem%20wdt%3AP26%20%3Fspouse.%20%7D%0AOPTIONAL%20%7B%20%3Fitem%20wdt%3AP27%20%3Fcountry.%20%7D%0AOPTIONAL%20%7B%20%3Fitem%20wdt%3AP3342%20%3Fsigperson.%20%7D%0AOPTIONAL%20%7B%20%3Fitem%20wdt%3AP102%20%3Fparty.%20%7D%0AOPTIONAL%20%7B%20%3Fitem%20wdt%3AP1327%20%3Fpartner.%20%7D%0AOPTIONAL%20%7B%20%3Fitem%20wdt%3AP1840%20%3Finvestby.%20%7D%0AOPTIONAL%20%7B%20%3Fitem%20wdt%3AP25%20%3Fmother.%20%7D%0AOPTIONAL%20%7B%20%3Fitem%20wdt%3AP22%20%3Ffather.%20%7D%0AOPTIONAL%20%7B%20%3Fitem%20wdt%3AP3373%20%3Fsibling.%20%7D%0AOPTIONAL%20%7B%20%3Fitem%20wdt%3AP1299%20%3Fdepictedby.%20%7D%0AOPTIONAL%20%7B%20%3Fitem%20wdt%3AP39%20%3Fposition.%20%7D%0A%23%20FILTER%20%28YEAR%28%3Fbirth%29%20%3D%201860%20%26amp%3B%26amp%3B%20YEAR%28%3Fbirth%29%20%26lt%3B%3D%201990%29%0AFILTER%20%28YEAR%28%3Fdatedied%29%20%3E%3D%201933%20%29%0A%7D%0ALIMIT%2020000 Jewish art collectors and dealers who were murdered in Nazi concentration camps] (Source)
 * Newest database reports: Notable descedents of Mayflower passengers


 * Development
 * Add monolingual language codes rm-rumgr, rm-surmiran, rm-sursilv, rm-sutsilv, rm-vallader, rm-puter (T222426)
 * More work on the test system for federated properties
 * More work on displaying statements with federated properties (T246606)
 * Bridge: more work on generic error screens (T241126)
 * Bridge: warn the user that they are about to edit anonymously (T246676)
 * Work on a Wikidata distributed game for automated finding of references
 * Automated finding references: build a scraper, simple value matching, item analyzer
 * Have the focus on field when adding new element on Sense (T203461)
 * Add more properties to the PageImages list (T249811)
 * Use strict types everywhere in Wikibase (T251382)

You can see all open tickets related to Wikidata here. If you want to help, you can also have a look at the tasks needing a volunteer.

Read the full report &middot; Unsubscribe &middot; Lea Lacroix (WMDE) 15:33, 4 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Monthly Tasks
 * Add labels, in your own language(s), for the new properties listed above.
 * Comment on property proposals: all open proposals
 * Suggested and open tasks!
 * Contribute to a Showcase item.
 * Help translate or proofread the interface and documentation pages, in your own language!
 * Help merge identical items across Wikimedia projects.
 * Help write the next summary!

Music
Can you write about dpat the music producer Dehyah (talk) 19:46, 6 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Hello,, I'm Mathglot. Not sure why you posted this here, but I've responded at your Talk page. Mathglot (talk) 19:56, 6 May 2020 (UTC)
 * People ask me to write articles sometimes. All the best: Rich Farmbrough  (the apparently calm and reasonable) 20:20, 6 May 2020 (UTC).

Speedy deletion nomination of Category:Hubcap City albums


A tag has been placed on Category:Hubcap City albums requesting that it be speedily deleted from Wikipedia. This has been done under section C1 of the criteria for speedy deletion, because the category has been empty for seven days or more and is not a disambiguation category, a category redirect, a featured topics category, under discussion at Categories for discussion, or a project category that by its nature may become empty on occasion.

If you think this page should not be deleted for this reason, you may contest the nomination by visiting the page and clicking the button labelled "Contest this speedy deletion". This will give you the opportunity to explain why you believe the page should not be deleted. However, be aware that once a page is tagged for speedy deletion, it may be deleted without delay. Please do not remove the speedy deletion tag from the page yourself, but do not hesitate to add information in line with Wikipedia's policies and guidelines. Liz Read! Talk! 13:20, 9 May 2020 (UTC)

Wikidata weekly summary #415
Here's your quick overview of what has been happening around Wikidata over the last week. 
 * Events
 * Past: Remote Wikimedia Hackathon, May 9-10 (see the showcase replay and the description of projects). Several Wikidata-related sessions took place:
 * Working on Wikidata Lexeme Forms tool by Lucas Werkmeister: Part 1, Part 2
 * Wikidata: Figure skating workflow, starting from scratch (installing and configuring everything on a new computer) by Harmonia Amanda: Part 1, Part 2, Part 3
 * Past: Wikidata local school gathering was organised by Wikidata Taiwan. Link to Event page and dashboard
 * Upcoming: Live SPARQL queries session in French about Lexemes by Vigneron, May 12th at 20:00 CEST
 * Upcoming: Live Wikidata editing about video games by JeanFred, May 13th at 19:30 CEST


 * Press, articles, blog posts, videos
 * Webinar introducing Wikidata and adding  tags into OpenStreetMap objects for OpenStreetMap contributors in the Philippines (in English and Tagalog): YouTube
 * Wikidata Course at TAU: Hosting Mark Graham from the Internet Archive
 * Part 1 - Meet the Archive: YouTube
 * Part 2 - The IA & Wikimedia: YouTube
 * Wikidata Course at TAU: Hosting Lydia Pintscher from Wikimedia Deutschland
 * Part 1 - Wikidata - current state: YouTube
 * Part 2 - Wikibase & Lexemes: YouTube
 * Part 3 - Shape Expressions & Schemas: YouTube
 * How to create external identifiers on Wikidata (in Italian): YouTube
 * Open Data and Wikidata training (in Mandarin Chinese): YouTube
 * Bandaid: using Wikidata to generate band names


 * Tool of the week
 * WikidataExtract extracts schemas (shape expressions) from Wikidata entities


 * Other Noteworthy Stuff
 * Wikidata:WikiProject Authority control/VIAF linking to multiple items has been created: most of the items listed probably need merging - have a look!
 * New tool: universal almanac based on Wikidata by Alexander Doria
 * A proposal for a new Wikiproject Wikilambda that allows creating multilingual content in Wikidata that can be used in all Wikipedias. Signatures of support are needed and discussion and questions are welcomed!
 * V1 of Wikidata Bridge is almost ready to be tested on Catalan Wikipedia


 * Did you know?


 * Newest properties:
 * General datatypes: general property-based URL formatter, hardiness of plant, hardiness zone, ex-libris, voting system, supported metadata, tabular case data, Gazette of India notification
 * External identifiers: motorsportstats.com team ID, Canadiana NCF ID, Indian Railways train number, SNCF Station Identifier, South African Company Registration Number, DART-Europe thesis ID, DoME exhibition ID, DPE school code, Epistemonikos ID, Lexikon der Filmbegriffe ID, National Library of Israel J9U ID, UK Modern House Index architect ID, UK Modern House Index building ID, Joconde technique ID, PragerU presenter ID, regional government of Sicily ID, Anagrafe Istituti Culturali Ecclesiastici ID, BeWeb cultural institution ID, ACUM work ID, Reta Vortaro ID, Mozilla Developer Network article


 * New property proposals to review:
 * General datatypes: social media followers, Gobbledygook, forearm length, number of stepchildren, number of adopted children, CV, axe, banned in
 * External identifiers: NMMA built heritage ID, NMMA antiquities ID, Super Mario Wiki ID, Philadelphia Museum of Art person ID, Archaeology in Greece Online place ID, iDAI.gazetteer ID, iDAI.chronontology ID, identifiant SILL d'un logiciel, Lower Austrian Castle ID, Naturdenkmal-ID Landkreis Oberspreewald-Lausitz, Bookogs credit ID, Bookogs work ID, Bookogs book ID, GMC membership number, Bibliography of the History of Slovakia ID, LombardiaBeniCulturali author ID, Augustins de l'Assomption ID, ASUT ID, Niden INE


 * Query examples:
 * Films claimed to pass the Bechdel test with less than 2 female cast members in Wikidata
 * African-American librarians in Wikidata that don't have Wikipedia articles (Source)
 * Magicians with known precise birth date (Source)
 * Sheffield Shield cricket players and the number of states they have played in (Source)
 * Number of Twitter followers of scientists at Dutch universities (Source)
 * Former United Kingdom Parliament MP's still living (by first election) (Source)
 * Number of paintings in National Gallery with artist and gender (Source)
 * Nearby table tennis tables to public spaces for the Wiki Explorer Android application (Source)
 * Map of Ramsar sites in France (Source)
 * Highest software version numbers recorded on Wikidata (Source)
 * Newest WikiProjects: Speed skating, Witches


 * Development
 * Display statements with federated properties (T246606)
 * Federated properties: fix a bug that caused some properties to not appear in search results (T252024)
 * Wikidata Bridge: more work on error messages
 * Prevent Wikibase schema updaters to modify database directly (T249598)
 * Write a technical RFC about site-wide edit rate limiting (T247459)
 * Fix an issue on Wikibase: property names are missing when rendering (T247196)
 * More work on automated references

You can see all open tickets related to Wikidata here. If you want to help, you can also have a look at the tasks needing a volunteer.

Read the full report &middot; Unsubscribe &middot; Lea Lacroix (WMDE) 15:26, 11 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Monthly Tasks
 * Add labels, in your own language(s), for the new properties listed above.
 * Comment on property proposals: all open proposals
 * Suggested and open tasks!
 * Contribute to a Showcase item.
 * Help translate or proofread the interface and documentation pages, in your own language!
 * Help merge identical items across Wikimedia projects.
 * Help write the next summary!

Speedy deletion nomination of Category:Wikipedia articles incorporating an LRPP template with one unnamed parameter


A tag has been placed on Category:Wikipedia articles incorporating an LRPP template with one unnamed parameter requesting that it be speedily deleted from Wikipedia. This has been done under section C1 of the criteria for speedy deletion, because the category has been empty for seven days or more and is not a disambiguation category, a category redirect, a featured topics category, under discussion at Categories for discussion, or a project category that by its nature may become empty on occasion.

If you think this page should not be deleted for this reason, you may contest the nomination by visiting the page and clicking the button labelled "Contest this speedy deletion". This will give you the opportunity to explain why you believe the page should not be deleted. However, be aware that once a page is tagged for speedy deletion, it may be deleted without delay. Please do not remove the speedy deletion tag from the page yourself, but do not hesitate to add information in line with Wikipedia's policies and guidelines. Liz Read! Talk! 20:16, 12 May 2020 (UTC)

Help me sir
I,m want to create a new page Article Sunny 16:36, 15 May 2020 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sunny bharat (talk • contribs)
 * What would it be about? All the best: Rich Farmbrough  (the apparently calm and reasonable) 16:45, 15 May 2020 (UTC).

How do i create a new page Please tell me sir Sunny 18:52, 15 May 2020 (UTC)

How do i create a new page Please tell me sir Sunny 18:53, 15 May 2020 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sunny bharat (talk • contribs)
 * Try reading Help:Your first article. All the best: Rich Farmbrough  (the apparently calm and reasonable) 19:00, 15 May 2020 (UTC).

I,m create two pages But no show in google Only search in wikipedia website With Draft before page Sunny 19:21, 15 May 2020 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sunny bharat (talk • contribs)
 * See Draft:Anil Parashar - the page exists, it will need to be submitted for approval. This means that it will be sufficiently good for an established Wikipedian to move from draft to a published page. All the best: Rich Farmbrough  (the apparently calm and reasonable) 19:24, 15 May 2020 (UTC).

I'm want to member of EDIT FILTER MANAGERS Sunny 21:48, 15 May 2020 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sunny bharat (talk • contribs)
 * Why? All the best: Rich Farmbrough  (the apparently calm and reasonable) 17:06, 16 May 2020 (UTC).

Wikidata weekly summary #416
Here's your quick overview of what has been happening around Wikidata over the last week. 


 * Discussions
 * New request for comments: Date in Wikidata not properly translated in Wikipedia table, Disallow merging into newer entity


 * Events
 * Upcoming: WikidataLab XXXIII: Wiki-Education and Data Literacy with Shani Evenstein - May 21st 1pm - 7pm (UTC). Organized by Wiki Movement Brazil User Group, the training will be held in English this time! Join us remotely!
 * Upcoming: Next Linked Data for Libraries LD4 Wikidata Affinity Group call: João Alexandre Peschanski on Wikidata + Education projects he has worked on in Brazil, 19 May. Agenda
 * Upcoming: Indian scientists datathon by WikiProject India. May 22nd to 24th, IST.
 * Past: Live SPARQL queries session in French about Lexemes by Vigneron, May 12th at 20:00 CEST
 * Past: Live Wikidata editing about video games by JeanFred (replay), May 13th at 19:30 CEST


 * Press, articles, blog posts, videos
 * WhatDoTheyKnow in Wikidata (blog post)
 * How to use the Wikidata Query Service (in Italian): YouTube
 * Introduction to Wikidata and data modeling: YouTube


 * Tool of the week
 * WikidataTrust.jsP updates the interface with the contributors to each statement, label, description and sitelink. It is similar to the “blame” tool on text-based wikis.


 * Other Noteworthy Stuff
 * Update about the Wikidata 8th birthday events regarding the COVID19 situation
 * The Wikimedia movement strategy recommendations have been published
 * Read-only time for Wikidata on Tuesday 19th May at 05:00 AM UTC for 15 minutes due to upgrade and restart of services. Services targeting Wikidata may not work during the meantime.


 * Did you know?


 * Newest properties:
 * General datatypes: tilt, curriculum vitae
 * External identifiers: The Conversation author ID, SILL ID of a software, LombardiaBeniCulturali artwork author ID, Bookogs work ID, Gitabitan.net ID, Arlington Cemetery person ID, CDAPNC author ID


 * New property proposals to review:
 * General datatypes: selma'o, originated from individual of taxon, media franchise, préposition, Edible parts, local time, langue fille, langue mère, langue sœur, banned in
 * External identifiers: LiederNet author ID, LiederNet composer ID, LiederNet text ID, LiederNet song cycle ID, Colon Classification, Wyoming SHPO ID, norsk fangeregister person ID, K-Scholar ID, Wiener Wohnen ID, MDAH's HRI ID, National Register Database, Louisiana ID, RI National Register Search ID, MACRIS ID, Mod DB mod ID, GameBanana video game ID, NexusMods video game ID, BaGLAMa GID, Arkansas Register of Historic Places ID, Mediaqueer.ca Artist ID, Mediaqueer.ca Movie ID, SNES central game ID, CTHS author ID, correspondent of, Liszt Academy Lexikon person ID, 500 Queer Scientists profile, WorldFootball.net stadium ID, Worlds Without End author ID, Goodreads work ID, FlashScore.com player ID, National Football Teams.com match ID, LombardiaBeniCulturali architecture author ID, Origin game ID, Ubisoft Store game ID, LGBT Danmark dictionary ID, Book Marks ID


 * Deleted properties: P727
 * Query examples:
 * Recommended units of measurement listed in the SI Brochure (9th, concise edition) (Source)
 * Border with which all the municipalities of the Basque Country share (Source)
 * Map of hospitals (blue) and health centers (green) of Argentina (Source)
 * Best snipers of the world by number of victims of killer (Source)
 * Plans and photographs of the restoration works of cathedrals in the 19th century contained in the French National Archives) (Source)
 * Map of railways stations in France (Source)
 * List of African countries with their current leaders and their ages (Source)
 * Point in time of Advisor and Student relationships for professions mathematician and computer scientist (Source)
 * Drawings with an image that depicts a ship (Source)
 * Map of National parks in Sweden (Source)
 * US States with an A (Source)


 * Development
 * In the query service, variable names with non-“Latin” characters (e. g.,  ) can now be used more easily. (T227952)
 * Wikidata Bridge: more work on error messages and warnings (T246676, T247250, T244361)
 * Federated properties: display statements made with deleted properties (T250785)
 * More work on fixing error messages on Wikidata's edit interface (T247690)
 * Form grammatical features: connect labels and inputs (T198703)

You can see all open tickets related to Wikidata here. If you want to help, you can also have a look at the tasks needing a volunteer.

Read the full report &middot; Unsubscribe &middot; Mohammed Sadat (WMDE) 15:30, 18 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Monthly Tasks
 * Add labels, in your own language(s), for the new properties listed above.
 * Comment on property proposals: all open proposals
 * Suggested and open tasks!
 * Contribute to a Showcase item.
 * Help translate or proofread the interface and documentation pages, in your own language!
 * Help merge identical items across Wikimedia projects.
 * Help write the next summary!

Your list of female Catholic saints
Hey Rich, hope you don't mind, but I've started to go through your list here: User:Rich Farmbrough/temp238. I figured that since I'm involved with the edit-athons with the Parliament of Religions, I should work on at least a few articles about women religious. Please let me know if I've overstepped, and I will stop. Hope all is well and that you're staying healthy. Christine (Figureskatingfan) (talk) 22:48, 22 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Christine (Figureskatingfan) I am delighted! All the best: Rich Farmbrough  (the apparently calm and reasonable) 11:44, 23 May 2020 (UTC).


 * Oh good. I figured I'd start with saints since I'm Catholic and all. ;)  Right back at ya! Christine (Figureskatingfan) (talk) 15:43, 23 May 2020 (UTC)

"Lotr" listed at Redirects for discussion
A discussion is taking place to address the redirect Lotr. The discussion will occur at Redirects for discussion/Log/2020 May 23 until a consensus is reached, and anyone, including you, is welcome to contribute to the discussion. 1234qwer1234qwer4 (talk) 14:51, 23 May 2020 (UTC)

your topic ban, which you are ignoring again
There is currently a discussion at Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents regarding an issue with which you may have been involved. Beeblebrox (talk) 18:07, 24 May 2020 (UTC)

Speedy deletion nomination of Aeglos (disambiguation)


A tag has been placed on Aeglos (disambiguation) requesting that it be speedily deleted from Wikipedia. This has been done under section G14 of the criteria for speedy deletion, because it is an orphaned disambiguation page which either
 * disambiguates only one extant Wikipedia page and whose title ends in "(disambiguation)" (i.e., there is a primary topic);
 * disambiguates zero extant Wikipedia pages, regardless of its title; or
 * is a redirect with a title ending in "(disambiguation)" that does not target a disambiguation page or page that has a disambiguation-like function.

Under the criteria for speedy deletion, such pages may be deleted at any time. Please see the disambiguation page guidelines for more information.

If you think this page should not be deleted for this reason, you may contest the nomination by visiting the page and clicking the button labelled "Contest this speedy deletion". This will give you the opportunity to explain why you believe the page should not be deleted. However, be aware that once a page is tagged for speedy deletion, it may be deleted without delay. Please do not remove the speedy deletion tag from the page yourself, but do not hesitate to add information in line with Wikipedia's policies and guidelines. If the page is deleted, and you wish to retrieve the deleted material for future reference or improvement, then please contact the. Hog Farm (talk) 15:11, 25 May 2020 (UTC)

Wikidata weekly summary #417
Here's your quick overview of what has been happening around Wikidata over the last week. 

This is the Wikidata summary of the week before 2020-05-25.


 * Discussions
 * Open requests for Oversight: Kostas20142, Esteban16


 * Events
 * Past: WikidataLab XXXIII: Wiki-Education and Data Literacy with Shani Evenstein on May 21st. The training in English was organized by Wiki Movement Brazil User Group. (replay)
 * Past: Wikipedia Weekly Network - LIVE Wikidata editing #6 (YouTube)
 * Past: Art+Feminism virtual Wikidata editathon by Global Open Initiative on May 19. (Video) Part 1, Part 2
 * Upcoming: Wikidata Wochenende, event dedicated to the German-speaking Wikidata community, will take place fully remote on June 12-14. If you're interested, don't forget to register. We're looking for speakers to give introductions to Wikidata & tools.
 * Upcoming #vBIB20 (Q94495218) the first fully remote German library conference: May 26-28. Metadata about all presentations are already stored in Wikidata: Query. Some sessions and presentations are related to Wikidata or other Wikiprojects:
 * WikiLunch (Q94759294)
 * Die GND wikifizieren – Eine neue Plattform für die wachsende GND-Community (Q95245582)
 * Normdaten-Mapping mit Cocoda (Q95245533)
 * Die Datenlaube: Neues Wissen und Daten aus alten Texten – Mit Wikisource, Wikidata und mit Commons (Q95150422)
 * Upcoming: Online Wikidata editathon in Swedish #14, May 31


 * Press, articles, blog posts, videos
 * The Missing Path: Diagnosing Incompleteness in Linked Data ("We describe our iterative design process and evaluation with Wikidata contributors")
 * EURECOM at the SemStats 2019 Challenge ("we study the coverage of [the official database of French enterprises] in Wikidata")
 * Enriching Knowledge Bases with Interesting Negative Statements ("we argue for the importance of negative information on knowledge bases, and present two methods to mine it")
 * Video: Editing Wikidata: File Candidates tool and World heritage of Visby - Youtube, Facebook


 * Tool of the week
 * If you're looking for even more tools, the Tools Directory indexes over 130 Wikidata tools.


 * Other Noteworthy Stuff
 * New tool: Structured Search, a tool allowing you to search through Wikimedia Commons using structured data, is now live. This tool by Hay Kranen was demoed at Wikimedia Hackathon 2020.
 * New tool: script by Tohaomg to easily rearrange the order of values for statements in Wikidata (to be added to your common.js page)
 * New documentation page: Wikidata:How to create Wikidata Tours
 * Teaching notes for introducing people to Wikidataː d:User:Einebillion/Teaching notes
 * The Wikidata development team created a distributed Wikidata game called Reference hunt!. With this game, you get a suggestion of an Item and a reference based on structured data from an external website. Try it and leave us feedback.
 * Gabriel, an intern at the Google Summer of Code is developing a tool to assist users in verifying (structured) data of media on commons. If you want to help, feel free to fill out this questionnaire.


 * Did you know?


 * Newest properties:
 * General datatypes: molecular model, is metaclass for, lighting, type of age limit, nominal share capital, content partnership category, field of training
 * External identifiers: iDAI.chronontology ID, iDAI.gazetteer ID, Archaeology in Greece Online place ID, ASUT ID, NMMA antiquities ID, NMMA built heritage ID, DB chgk, K-Scholar ID, Wyoming SHPO ID, Lower Austrian Castle ID, Co-Optimus ID, Bookogs credit ID, Wiener Wohnen ID, Arkansas Register of Historic Places ID, Augustins de l'Assomption ID, LiederNet author ID, LiederNet composer ID, LiederNet song cycle ID, LiederNet text ID, Bibliography of the History of Slovakia ID, MACRIS ID, National Register Database, Louisiana ID, Niden INE, 500 Queer Scientists profile, Mediaqueer.ca Artist ID, Mediaqueer.ca Movie ID, Natural Atlas ID, Colon Classification, MDAH's HRI ID, RI National Register Search ID, CTHS author ID, name-suggestion-index identifier, PC Games Database.de company ID, SNES central game ID, Super Mario Wiki ID, Wikilengua article


 * New property proposals to review:
 * General datatypes: US Fault ID, estimated value, funder, principal investigator, contributed to Wikimedia Commons by, Theater poster, transitive over, approval of subject, living people protection class
 * External identifiers: Monasteries in the Netherlands until 1800 ID, Library classifications' IDs for topics, Absolute Games game ID, Absolute Games person ID, Absolute Games developer and publisher IDs, ModelHub ID, npm package, AusStage person ID, AusStage venue ID, AusStage organization ID, AusStage work ID, Montreux Jazz Festival song ID, Montreux Jazz Festival person ID, motorsportstats.com event ID, Veldkruus, AustLit ID, AFL player ID, Bioweb Ecuador ID, FilmPolski press collection ID, NTB ID, Odeon ID, Montreux Jazz Festival concert ID, Canadian Football League player ID, cadastral municipality number in Austria, Britannica Kids, Latin texts IDs, Medusa NRHP ID, Noovie person ID, Artsdatabanken ID, ICTV taxnode ID, LongTake person ID, ESRB video game ID, OnlyFans ID


 * Query examples:
 * Famous mathematicians related to famous actors (Source)
 * West Highlands of Scotland rail line connections (Source)
 * Universities ranked by PageRank on English Wikipedia (Source)
 * Interactive, zoomable tree map of second level administrative regions of the world (Source)
 * Number of alphabets which use this letter (Source)
 * Metabolites and the species where they are found in (Source)
 * Items in the United Kingdom with coordinate location (P625) on or near 1 degree 50 west (Source)
 * Map of Tunisian museums (Source)
 * Map of pairs of homonymous French municipalities linked by a colored line according to the distance (Source)
 * Women botanists or botanical collectors with a birth date prior to 1900 (Source)
 * vBIB20 lectures in Wikidata (Source)
 * Newest WikiProjects: WikiProject Schools


 * Development
 * Federated properties: Linking to the source wiki immediately after saving a statement (T251776)
 * Properly display federated properties on a local item's Revision History page (T249836)
 * Documentation for federated properties (T252991, T252861)
 * Last steps of getting the distributed game "Reference hunt" ready
 * Wikidata Bridge: more work on error messages
 * Track errors people encounter when using the Bridge (T252683)

You can see all open tickets related to Wikidata here. If you want to help, you can also have a look at the tasks needing a volunteer.


 * Monthly Tasks
 * Add labels, in your own language(s), for the new properties listed above.
 * Comment on property proposals: all open proposals
 * Contribute to a Showcase item.
 * Help translate or proofread the interface and documentation pages, in your own language!
 * Help merge identical items across Wikimedia projects.
 * Help write the next summary!

Read the full report &middot; Unsubscribe &middot; Mohammed Sadat (WMDE) 15:16, 25 May 2020 (UTC)

Taking my leave for now
It seems likely that I will be site-banned in the next few minutes, for the crime of doing exactly what I had been asked to do. (I'll add a link to the "discussion" once it is archived.)  I'm sure those who wish to will still be able to reach out to me, but I will be logging off Wikipedia to avoid seeing the sequelae of this train-wreck.

All the best: Rich Farmbrough  (the despised and rejected) 20:08, 24 May 2020 (UTC).


 * Don't be too quick to think things will turn out that way. Cheers! BD2412  T 00:36, 25 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Rich: The site-ban discussion looks like it will fail to me, and I hope the train wreck of an ANI thread will be about as minor as an ANI thread can be. There probably will be another editing restriction, but hopefully it will be clearer. Lastly, I know we haven't exactly been friends on-wiki, but I hope you read and find my comments on ANI helpful. Take as long as you want, but I hope to see you around the 'pedia (but hopefully not at WP:HAPPYPLACE). Best, --Mdaniels5757 (talk) 15:49, 25 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Also, re your sig: come on. You are neither despised nor rejected, at least by me (and many other wikipedians). --Mdaniels5757 (talk) 15:50, 25 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Yep, I've already changed it. Thank you for your kind words. All the best: Rich Farmbrough  15:53, 25 May 2020 (UTC).


 * BRFA requires consensus. I was considering suggesting that I simply ping Beeblebrox in every editing discussion I have.  But since disturbing his repose seems to be an unwise choice, perhaps that's not such a great idea.  All the best: Rich Farmbrough  15:58, 25 May 2020 (UTC).


 * Glad to see the tide is turning over there. I definitely got influenced by the initial pile-on at one point but upon digging deeper once again it was clear that you were being railroaded for doing the exact thing you were supposed to do. Hopefully that whole drama fest will be in the rear view mirror shortly. CJK09 (talk) 21:34, 25 May 2020 (UTC)

Proposed deletion of Krystal Klear


The article Krystal Klear has been proposed for deletion because it appears to have no references. Under Wikipedia policy, this biography of a living person will be deleted after seven days unless it has at least one reference to a reliable source that directly supports material in the article.

If you created the article, please don't be offended. Instead, consider improving the article. For help on inserting references, see Referencing for beginners, or ask at the help desk. Once you have provided at least one reliable source, you may remove the prod blp/dated tag. Please do not remove the tag unless the article is sourced. If you cannot provide such a source within seven days, the article may be deleted, but you can when you are ready to add one. Robert McClenon (talk) 23:25, 29 May 2020 (UTC)

Your email about canvassing
Hi Rich, in response to your email asking me to strike my comment about you canvassing: no, I’m not going to do that. If you have any other requests of me, I prefer they be made on-wiki. TonyBallioni (talk) 20:36, 24 May 2020 (UTC)

There are three bad things that happen as a result of you refusal:


 * 1) The project does not know what is happening.
 * 2) An (additional) untruth about me stands on the AN/I page.
 * 3) You fall in my estimation.

It's a shame that you made such a comment, the snide tone makes it worse, the refusal to remove it out of courtesy, worse still.

All the best: Rich Farmbrough  (the despised and rejected) 20:52, 24 May 2020 (UTC).


 * Just a reminder: if you just followed the community sanctions, you wouldn't be in this mess. Miasma Eternal TALK 00:18, 25 May 2020 (UTC)
 * User:MiasmaEternal I did follow the sanctions. All the best: Rich Farmbrough  (the despised and rejected) 09:46, 25 May 2020 (UTC).


 * Rich Farmbrough, I obviously don't know the full context here since I haven't read the email, probably one of the reason TonyBallioni opposed your use of it. But I don't understand how any experienced editor does not understand that when there is an active discussion over imposing sanctions which at a minimum still had about 23 hours to go (per the 24 hour minimum), posting this [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Cities&diff=958619788&oldid=957909157] is going to lead to canvassing concerns. Frankly your follow up is not that much better although by that stage, doing anything about it was pointless, even BMK's actions while I don't object to them didn't necessarily make things better. Which is a key part of the reason why canvassing is such a problem, it can't really be undone. I appreciate if you were site banned you'd have no more opportunity to comment although I think many editors won't object to reposting a single message from after any site ban especially if you avoided faulting everyone else in your message. And this example seems to demonstrate why canvassing even unintentionally, is very silly. You may have meant no harm by it, you may not have thought it would affect the outcome, even though as I said, the discussion still had ~23 hours to go. Yet at least one editor, and probably more, feel it likely has affected the outcome. Under the circumstances of that discussion, it's not unreasonable to feel that, yet it's also easily possible the discussion would have evolved in a similar way if you hadn't posted your message. It's unlikely we'll ever know or even have a good idea, if the discuss would have evolved that way without your (or anyone) posting about it on some Wikiproject.  I think nearly everyone would accept that's how discussions evolve if it had clearly happened inorganically. Maybe some wouldn't be happy with the outcome, but they'd know that's life on Wikipedia. Yet with your posting you've now pretty much ensured that if you escape a siteban, some editors are going to feel it's not only wrong but inherently unfair as part of the reason is because you canvassed people to support you. Even some who may accept it was unintentional may still feel that way.  I'm going to AGF that canvassing to try an avoid a siteban wasn't your intention. So why then did you, an experienced editor, do something which was fairly obviously going to cause a lot of ill-feeling and consternation? And why when someone pointed out what you did, instead of simply acknowledging, yes I messed up badly with that post; do you instead send an email complaining, and then say an "untruth" about you stands at AN/I and I think less of you, even though I was the one who created the situation by posting about an active sanction discussion against me, when it still had 23 hours to go, in a manner which may encourage others to participate, and in a Wikiproject which may not be considered neutral? For the benefit of talk page watched, I'd note that even if you felt that there was justification to post on that Wikiproject because they'd be interested in the outcome, this doesn't explain your message which was in the form of "oh poor me, I'm screwed, bye bye" rather than "you may be interested in this discussion".  Nil Einne (talk) 06:46, 25 May 2020 (UTC)
 * That's fair comment. Five points:
 * I'll mention that I was unaware that there was a 24 hour limit on these discussions, and expected to be site banned or indef blocked imminently.
 * It has always been wikiquette not to mention emails on-wiki. I emailed Tony because I thought it would be less combative than asking him on-wiki and allow him time to reflect on whether this was a reasonable thing to say.  I still think it looks like deliberate poisoning of the well, and it would be nice for him to remove it.
 * Here is the text of my email.


 * You say that someone would be glad to post a message on my behalf. Last time i was blocked there was a strong suggestion that such action would be considered proxying and be blockable in itself.  (In fact the implication was the blocking constitutes an expulsion from the community, and that no one should respond to user talk page messages.)
 * It is always possible to be collegial and AGF. For example Tony could have left me a message here asking me to refactor my comment on the Wikiproject talk page.  He could even have said "Rich has left this message which appears to be canvassing."   Instead he chose to leave a sarcastic comment, which is uncalled for and uncivil.
 * I have, as soon as I was aware of the concern, refactored the comment on the project talk page. It's highly unlikely that anyone saw the text in question who wasn't part of the AN/I discussion.
 * All the best: Rich Farmbrough  (the despised and rejected) 09:46, 25 May 2020 (UTC).

Your editing restrictions
Please see the close of the ANI discussion on your editing restrictions. Especially note that the clarification of what is meant by consensus has been formally logged at Editing restrictions. Spinning<b style="color:#4840A0">Spark</b> 14:02, 28 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Glad I didn't get 20 people supporting the changes, because I'd now require 40!  All the best: Rich Farmbrough  16:25, 28 May 2020 (UTC).


 * If you just needed to vent after a stressful situation I understand. However, since I wrote the basis of the language that got enacted I will tell you my thinking. My goal was not to set some outrageous bar for you to clear; on the contrary it was to make clear where the bar is. It seemed to me that 10 was the smallest number that would then prevent people from saying you didn't have enough participation for mass editing. I am sure we both love to see there be no future drama with you and that was my goal with that proposal. Best, Barkeep49 (talk) 23:32, 28 May 2020 (UTC)
 * User:Barkeep49 You are probably right in that this is relatively clear language, which is a good thing. I never thought that it was intended to be an outrageous bar, nor that you (or even most of the people who voted for a ban) had any ill intent.
 * If you posit, as many people seemed to agree, that I did comply with the editing restriction (itself a product of - from my point of view, uniformed and knee jerk AN/I shenanigans) you get the following scenario.
 * Someone got annoyed, and took someone else to AN/I when they had done nothing wrong. A whole bunch of resolutions were proposed, in a tangled mess.  One is passed, albeit probably the mildest, and with only a few !votes. Result: an incremental loss of freedom.
 * Repeat this enough times and all freedom to edit is gone, by a sort of Maxwell's Demon process.
 * If you think this unlikely, bear in mind that the editing restriction that is being modified here was as a result of a previous AN/I (again without an attempt to discuss on my talk page) where it transpired that I had not broken an editing restriction previous to that.
 * The annoying thing is if the editor that kicked this off had said here that he didn't like his watchlist being lighted up, I would have happily agreed to limit this job to a few hundred edits per day, and we would have both been happy - and maybe even continued to consider each other as "reasonably nice guys".
 * All the best: Rich Farmbrough  06:36, 29 May 2020 (UTC).
 * All the best: Rich Farmbrough  06:36, 29 May 2020 (UTC).
 * All the best: Rich Farmbrough  06:36, 29 May 2020 (UTC).


 * I appreciate hearing your perspective on the matter. Counterfactuals are interesting thought exercises - maybe you're right that if it had been discussed with you it plays out like it does. Or maybe given the history between you two the discussion makes things worse in a different way and we still end up with ANI. A different counterfactual would be what if you had done this at a slower rate so that you noticed that the problems and didn't need to make multiple batches of edits to so many pages? Maybe that too stops things from going to ANI or maybe it still ends up there with people taking issue with the Cities discussion.I would suggest you reframe this latest close away from freedom. By your reasoning because I have no restriction on me I would be free to make mass changes that you are not free to make. I don't think that's right; I think if I were to have made identical Cities edits to you (which I couldn't do because I cannot manually edit as fast as you can) I think I end up getting at least a warning if not a deysop. Instead the freedom we all have, and the freedom you and I both still enjoy, is the opportunity to edit with-in the consensus of the community. So rather than a loss of freedom this is an opportunity to know what that consensus is. Best, Barkeep49 (talk) 16:18, 29 May 2020 (UTC)
 * People are surprising, groups of people more so, sometimes and less so others. However I am the expert on myself, and would certainly have been prepared to consider a special situation where someone editing in the same area was suffering due my edit rate.  I'm not short of projects to work on, though I do like to get them completed where possible.  Indeed I have in the past gone to great lengths to avoid upsetting other editors.
 * The curiosity is that the "history between us two", as far as I am aware only goes back to January, the first time I lit his watchlist up. He is saying elsewhere I think that we have had many clashes or words to that effect.  There was possibly a disagreement about an ISBN 10 years ago, but I'm not sure if the was Beeblebrox or someone else.
 * All the best: Rich Farmbrough  15:31, 30 May 2020 (UTC).


 * I only looked at the results now. While ANI is never pleasant, in a way I'm glad that it turned out this way, because it came close to heavier sanctions.  Happy editing, — Paleo  Neonate  – 17:41, 3 June 2020 (UTC)

Sloppy edit
Hmmm. Please take more care when making edits like this. – wbm1058 (talk) 12:31, 31 May 2020 (UTC)

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