User talk:Rich Farmbrough/Archive/2014 November

Speedy deletion nomination of Shariah Project


A tag has been placed on Shariah Project, requesting that it be speedily deleted from Wikipedia. This has been done for the following reason:

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 * I've declined the speedy on the grounds that it is a noted alias of the organization. A google search of the two names turns up ties (example). --Hammersoft (talk) 17:35, 1 November 2014 (UTC)
 * Thank you. All the best: Rich Farmbrough, 03:51, 2 November 2014 (UTC).


 * Parrot, why didn't you come to my talk page and ask me? All the best: Rich Farmbrough, 03:51, 2 November 2014 (UTC).

Muhammad ibn Zakariya al-Razi‎
Why you have lowered the importance value of this article? Bladesmulti (talk) 03:30, 2 November 2014 (UTC)
 * Because I don't think it is high importance for WikiProject Philosophy, I also gave it Mid importance for WikiProject Islam, where it was unranked. That may be a little.  If you disagree with the importance value,please feel free to change it to "mid" or "high". All the best: Rich Farmbrough, 03:58, 2 November 2014 (UTC).


 * I wouldn't be doing it, you were correct. Those who consider him to be part of Islamic civilization are correct though, because he was one of the most influential doctor in the Islamic studies. Pretty much same with the philosophy. Bladesmulti (talk) 04:07, 2 November 2014 (UTC)

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For the record
Just seen your note to Salvio. For the record, despite what he said (and you need to review the Evidence page also for info regarding that), I've got no problem with the guy. Just as I have no problem with Bishonen for proposing an interaction ban at ANI when I refused to back down regarding the same issue. I've moved on and am not mithered about people recusing themselves: I'm not the paranoid type.

If everyone who has had an involvement with me over the years were to be listed, there wouldn't be that many people with extra bits who would be able to act. I suspect that the same might apply to you.

I have no idea about the other situation that you raised. - Sitush (talk) 20:58, 2 November 2014 (UTC)
 * Thanks. I also "have no problem with the guy", but I do think he ought to recuse.  This is a matter of ethics, even where we have the ability to remain impartial, we should not be placing ourselves in a position where COI can be hinted at.  All the best: Rich Farmbrough, 21:07, 2 November 2014 (UTC).


 * I can't recall the email he mentioned: it's that long since, I've had far more worrisome matters to deal with, and by his account I ignored its contents. I'd be very surprised if there was a COI and certainly I'm not going to be alleging one. He's a practising lawyer and lawyers have to put aside their own feelings day in, day out.


 * I can already tell you what the outcome of this case is going to be and it doesn't need emails between arbs and me to work it out. In fact, I've already lodged details with an independent party in preparation for a commentary that I may be producing after the case closes: I've done that so as not to be accused of sour grapes. - Sitush (talk) 21:18, 2 November 2014 (UTC)


 * I have to say, nice work! A considerable number of independent folk believed that this case should not have been accepted, for various reasons, and while it is possible that some good may come out of it, it is unlikely to exceed the cost of holding the case, it has slurped up many hours of my time and I am not even involved, I just happen to have seen the GGTF part unfold before my very eyes.  All the best: Rich Farmbrough, 21:32, 2 November 2014 (UTC).


 * I have to say, nice work! Not sure what you mean by that: I've done nearly no work for weeks, only in part because of the case. There is stuff going on involving me and this project that you know nothing about and perhaps never will because of legal stuff. It has proved to be very time-consuming.


 * If you dig around ANI etc, you'll see that I was preparing to open a case or RfC/U about Carolmooredc. Like a lot of other people, I found it difficult to understand the scope of the case that was actually accepted, although I did comment in the pre-opening proposal phase. I still do find it difficult to work out the intended scope. I've mainly just rebutted, although I did add three principles. Unlike you, I had no option but to have some of my time slurped up. - Sitush (talk) 21:41, 2 November 2014 (UTC)
 * I was referring to lodged details with an independent party. And I am concerned about editors having no option but to spend time on ARBCOM, contrary to  WP:NOTCOMPULSORY - but that, perhaps, is for another day.  All the best: Rich Farmbrough, 23:25, 2 November 2014 (UTC).

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"One simply cannot work without it, and will have to flounce." LOL. Thanks for brightening my day. DH85868993 (talk) 00:31, 7 November 2014 (UTC)
 * All the best: Rich Farmbrough, 01:36, 7 November 2014 (UTC).

Mayor of Reading
You will love to fix the article Mayor of Reading! A 130 links to a total of 57 different disambiguation pages. {[smiley}}

WPCleaner would be a good option to use here, but I think that is illegal for you. The Banner talk 22:55, 9 November 2014 (UTC)
 * I know! It's a long project, and even the non-dab links need to be checked.  All the best: Rich Farmbrough, 22:57, 9 November 2014 (UTC).

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There is currently a discussion at Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents regarding an issue with which you may have been involved. The thread is What a mess. Thank you. ...William 13:24, 13 November 2014 (UTC)
 * Just noticing your, what seems to me at a quick glance, positive participation in several sections over at WP:AN/I. And thinking that you would make a good candidate for Arbcom. If only you hadn't already been de-sysoped and blocked for a year. Yes, what "a mess". Best, Wbm1058 (talk) 15:42, 14 November 2014 (UTC)

Would like another set of eyes on this
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27k more material added to arbcom case
Would you consider removing or condensing your opinions to a paragraph or two? I can easily do what you just did and state my opinions but it in my opinion just adds to a over-bloated page. - Knowledgekid87 (talk) 22:38, 17 November 2014 (UTC)
 * For once, Knowledgekid87, we seem to be in agreement. Sorry, Rich, and I know you feel strongly about the case, but that is just eye-bleeding stuff. - Sitush (talk) 22:44, 17 November 2014 (UTC)
 * It's not aimed at either of you. There is no need to read it unless you want to.  As I remark there the majority of the material is the scaffold, designed to make it easier to understand the comments.
 * The reason the page is so long as it is, is that it is unstructured, and arguments are repeated in different sections. I seriously considered writing an index to the page, indicating which sections deals with which part of the proposed decision, and to some extent that purpose is also served by the voter's guide.
 * I can, however, summarise for you:
 * Remove irrelevant material.
 * Don't contribute to the Wiki-caste system by talking about "leaders" and limiting actions to admins.
 * Don't be punitive.
 * Be clear.
 * Use the least sanctions that achieve the goal.
 * Unless spelled out, ArbCom will not change the decision. Even so it's unlikely, but allowing them to blindly assert punitive principles, which will be recycled in future cases, is not acceptable.
 * All the best: Rich Farmbrough, 23:26, 17 November 2014 (UTC).
 * All the best: Rich Farmbrough, 23:26, 17 November 2014 (UTC).


 * Rich, as a very reluctant party in the case it would be remiss of me not to read it. But I didn't get anything much from it that wasn't already said, precisely because it is in most part intended to be a personalised summary of the prior discussions. I'm not convinced that the arbs are even reading that page any more, except in a glancing fashion. Given the state of it, I can't truly say that I blame them. - Sitush (talk) 05:16, 18 November 2014 (UTC)

RfC
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DangerousPanda arbitation request opened
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Your questions...
Hello Rich, I have seen your questions on my candidacy page; I just wanted to make sure you saw my statement here. Unfortunately, I won't be able to get to them for a couple of days. I just wanted to apologise for that and to assure you that I am not ignoring you. Salvio Let's talk about it! 11:41, 18 November 2014 (UTC)
 * That's fine, Most people haven't answered them yet. All the best: Rich Farmbrough, 11:50, 18 November 2014 (UTC).

I was able to answer most of them. I just need clarification on Question 5 and what you meant when you asked "would you announce your opinion of the outcome of a case." Thanks. -- Calidum 05:10, 19 November 2014 (UTC)
 * The important bit is at the [case] request stage, So for example a case is requested and an arbitrator says


 * Accept, Joe Bloggs needs some kind of editing restriction.


 * All the best: Rich Farmbrough, 05:15, 19 November 2014 (UTC).


 * Thanks. -- Calidum  19:18, 19 November 2014 (UTC)

EQT
your cc: from my post to The Bushranger

Today, I looked up this article and its history and noticed that you had blocked the corporation back in January 2012. I was curious that there was so little information on the Mountain Valley Pipeline. I was about to add something when I saw that an ip only user had deleted a great deal of information this month, not only on the pipeline, but a whole section on legal problems and a reference to environmental problems in PA. I am suspicious that the corporation may be editing again, because of the nature of the wholesale deletions and the location of the IP in Pittsburgh PA, home of the corporate offices. http://www.iplocationtools.com/108.32.74.82.html https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=EQT&diff=632904766&oldid=631979273 How should I proceed? If you deem it correct to block this IP and reverse the deletions, I'll be glad to edit for any POV problems and make sure to include not just the website for the opposition to the pipeline, but also for EQT's side (http://mountainvalleypipeline.info/), but it seems to me that this won't be sufficient without monitoring for future such deletions. I'll also cc Rich Farmbrough, as he's the editor I've been dealing with long term. Many thanks!--Beth Wellington (talk) 21:19, 20 November 2014 (UTC)

BTW, in looking up the IP for the editor who added the material, it was a workstation at Virginia Tech, rather than a home computer, so I don't know any way to request that the anonymous user sign up for an account, but I can post something to the facebook account for the opposition account, if that seems proper.--Beth Wellington (talk) 21:36, 20 November 2014 (UTC)

--Beth Wellington (talk) 21:25, 20 November 2014 (UTC)

your cc: from my reply to your post to The Bushranger


 * Thanks Rich. The watchlist will take care of any further problems, but what should I do about restoring the deleted material (and editing for POV)? I know one of the two conveners of the Facebook group about the pipeline, a professional soil scientist who lives a distance from Blacksburg, so I doubt he's the original author of the deleted material, but he should be able to give me sources for any claims that are unsupported and I'll explain POV to him and urge that folks editing the article to include the opposition sign up for an account so they can be accountable (unlike EQT, if it's the source for the deletion.)--Beth Wellington (talk) 23:26, 20 November 2014 (UTC)

--Beth Wellington (talk) 23:28, 20 November 2014 (UTC)


 * just a heads up that I sent you cc of my email to soil scientist in case you have advice via wikipedia--Beth Wellington (talk) 01:08, 21 November 2014 (UTC)

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 * Many thanks! Echo send one a nice note on being granted a new bit. All the best: Rich Farmbrough, 15:19, 24 November 2014 (UTC).


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 * TY! All the best: Rich Farmbrough, 15:49, 24 November 2014 (UTC).


 * Yes indeed. Congratulations. You still have less rights than a brand new editor would have had five years ago. I miss Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia that anyone can edit. --Hammersoft (talk) 15:47, 24 November 2014 (UTC)
 * Thanks! Arguably I still have less rights than a brand new editor would have today! All the best: Rich Farmbrough, 15:49, 24 November 2014 (UTC).

ALA Notable Books for Adults
There seem to be a lot of links to dab pages in the contents you've added! Pam D  23:23, 25 November 2014 (UTC)
 * There were only about 4, though repeated. Of course I had to deal with them manually. All the best: Rich Farmbrough, 13:51, 27 November 2014 (UTC).

Email you a quote?
Hi Rich, I've just been reading an alumni magazine sent out by my university (where "alumni magazine" = "we send this to you for free now so that you leave us your house when you die" etc!) There is a diary piece in there about a woman researcher/lecturer/don who teaches in the computer science labs. It might not add anything to your ideas but it could at least affirm them. Would you like me to email you an eye-catching quote from within it? I'd rather not post it here myself because I'm in the spotlight as it is. I could scan the entire page if you wished but the key bit from your perspective is really contained in one paragraph. - Sitush (talk) 01:21, 27 November 2014 (UTC)
 * Yes by all means. Thank you.  All the best: Rich Farmbrough, 02:39, 27 November 2014 (UTC).


 * Done. Of all the words in it, "informing, supporting and promoting them" stand out to me. - Sitush (talk) 02:57, 27 November 2014 (UTC)

Arbitration/Requests/Case/GamerGate opened
You recently offered a statement in a request for arbitration. The Arbitration Committee has accepted that request for arbitration and an arbitration case has been opened at Arbitration/Requests/Case/GamerGate. Evidence that you wish the arbitrators to consider should be added to the evidence subpage, at Arbitration/Requests/Case/GamerGate/Evidence. Please add your evidence by December 11, 2014, which is when the evidence phase closes. You can also contribute to the case workshop subpage, Arbitration/Requests/Case/GamerGate/Workshop. For a guide to the arbitration process, see Arbitration/Guide to arbitration. For the Arbitration Committee, Ks0stm  (T•C•G•E) 22:29, 27 November 2014 (UTC)

A kitten for you!
Cause I know you won't quit you know where and leave them in the lurch...

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Category:Deadly Avenger albums
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Mary Wollstonecraft Award

 * Thank you! I am most flattered! All the best: Rich Farmbrough, 01:35, 30 November 2014 (UTC).

Arbitration amendment request closed regarding topics under discretionary sanctions
Hi Rich, just letting you know that I've closed and archived (archived copy here) the request you submitted to rescind/amend discretionary sanctions remedies. The motion has been enacted. Regards, Callanecc (talk • contribs • logs) 11:57, 30 November 2014 (UTC)
 * Thanks, also to the Arbs. All the best: Rich Farmbrough, 20:36, 30 November 2014 (UTC).

Bot policy
I saw your arbcom proposed amendment. Now that it looks to be denied, might I suggest that you propose a change to Bot policy to explicitly say what you think it means? If the problem is that is what the policy means, and that is bad, then propose changing it. (maybe you wont get everything, but maybe you will get some changes). --Obsidi (talk)
 * Well that's a good suggestion. Trouble is the ArbCom are not agreed on what I actually did that was "wrong", individual members even change their view with time, therefore it seems unlikely that I would be able to say "sure it was against policy then but now it is fine".
 * Look at this diff from in the original case
 * ..the issue is whether RF exercises sufficient diligence in editing. In normal editing, this is not a significant problem because the errors can be swiftly correctly. But if the edits are high speed and in great volume...
 * but at RD has objected to my request to be able to auto-archive my own talk page, which is clearly low-speed, low volume.
 * Similarly has pulled out of a hat the suggestion that "...your automated editing was causing significant issues at the time. I'm sorry to see that you still don't accept that."  It's clear that there were significant issues, and they were debated during the course of the case.  Unfortunately the proposed decision did not reflect the outcome of those discussions.  Notably the "Suspected sockpuppets of..." categories did not have the effect claimed by the plaintiffs, if anything the opposite - moreover no-one else in the case protected these poor potential sockmasters form BLP violations when I was later blocked for a one-character typo, it was left to me here to actually fix a problem someone else caused, instead of complaining and causing disruption over it.
 * As it stands I am reasonably happy with WP:BOTPOL, although I objected to WP:MEATBOT it is not an objection to the idea but to the having it under the aegis of WP:BAG rather than the community at large.
 * All the best: Rich Farmbrough, 11:48, 26 November 2014 (UTC).