Wikipedia:Teahouse/Questions/Archive 1152

Trying to make Wiki Page public >> Draft:Allen Sliwa
Any suggestions on making this page public faster? I used a lot of his own words from an interview he did and reliable articles on him from strong sources to come up with my article. He has his own radio show in the Los Angeles market so hes well known in LA as a host for different LA Lakers shows and would like him to have his own Wiki page. Any advise would be greatly appreciated. Thank you Perezcov2 (talk) 17:29, 12 May 2022 (UTC)


 * Welcome to the Teahouse, ! I haven't looked over your sources, but the prose has a promotional tone. Wikipedia strives for a neutral point of view, so sentences such as would need to be toned down. In biographies of living people, all claims need to be sourced, so you will need to add more citations. Also, Wikipedia articles typically refer to their subjects throughout most of the prose by the last name, so you may want to change that. Happy editing! Perfect4th (talk) 17:53, 12 May 2022 (UTC)
 * Thank you for your input, I am certainly working on my tone (much more neutral) and sources right now (getting rid of youtube / twitter / etc). Appreciate your time. Perezcov2 ([[User talk:Perezcov2|talk] 17:55, 12 May 2022 (UTC)
 * Also, just so you know, your signature is broken (The link to your talk page isn't functional). If you need help figuring out how to fix it let me know. ― Blaze WolfTalkBlaze Wolf#6545 17:59, 12 May 2022 (UTC)
 * @Perezcov2 You mentioned that you used a lot of his own words from an interview, but I'm afraid we cannot accept them. Interviews with the subject of an article don't count - only what mainstream media have actually written about that subject, not their reported words in an interview. So work with only those please. Once you've found sufficient sources that demonstrate Notability, you can work on how the encyclopaedia entry (for that is what this is) actually sounds like. Right now, it's a fan essay, not a formal description based on reliable, published sources. I also struggled to get past the first sentence, to be honest. It might make sense to you, but not to me at all. viz: Allen Sliwa is a Chaldean (Catholic from Iraq / Middle Eastern) who is the Laker Pre Game / Halftime / Post Game / Post Game After The Post Game host in addition to being a co-host on the very popular Travis & Sliwa Show on ESPN Los Angeles AM 710 radio station. If you could write that in plain English, perhaps splitting it into two or three sentences, that might help. Not everyone lives in the USA and understands terminology like that, nor American state abbreviations - so write the m in full and use a wikilink for the first example of anything that could link to another article to help explain that term.
 * I notice another editor marked your draft for deletion as 'spam'. I've removed that template to give you a chance to find some good sources to meet these essential notability criteria. So, do be quick before someone else does it again. Hope that helps. Nick Moyes (talk) 18:11, 12 May 2022 (UTC)
 * Thank you Very Much Nick, I am working on improving the tone and my sources right now. Very much appreciate your help. Perezcov2 ([[User talk:Perezcov2|talk] 18:19, 12 May 2022 (UTC)
 * I've gone ahead and cleaned up the draft to make it more neutral worded. I removed the entire section relating to his "Fandom" as it felt more like a conclusion to an essay than actual encyclopedic content. ― Blaze WolfTalkBlaze Wolf#6545 18:34, 12 May 2022 (UTC)
 * Thank you Blaze Wolf! Anything else I can do to improve or work on this so that it is deemed publishable with an appropriate tone? Appreciate everyones help here. Perezcov2 ([[User talk:Perezcov2|talk] 18:41, 12 May 2022 (UTC)
 * The thing that matters the most is that the content is referenced. Currently, a lot of the article is unreferenced which is not allowed for BLP articles (which is what this is). See WP:Referencing for beginners for help on how to add and find appropriate references. ― Blaze WolfTalkBlaze Wolf#6545 18:42, 12 May 2022 (UTC)
 * thank you will work on adding reputable sources. Thanks again Blitz. Perezcov2 ([[User talk:Perezcov2|talk] 18:44, 12 May 2022 (UTC)
 * It's Blaze but Blitz is close enough I guess No problem. Before you get too into creating the article, when you're finding refs, you should make sure that Allen Sliwa is actually notable enough to have an article. ― Blaze WolfTalkBlaze Wolf#6545 18:47, 12 May 2022 (UTC)

, there is no need to mention that he is a Chaldean Catholic. We only mention a person's religion if it is the reason that they are notable. Sliwa is a sportscaster, not a clergyman or theologian. Every factual assertion needs a reference and many are unreferenced. What is the best independent reliable source that devotes significant coverage to Sliwa? Cullen328 (talk) 22:21, 12 May 2022 (UTC)

Separate from this, there is no "faster." There is a backlog of more thant 3,000 drafts. The system is not a queue. Reviewers pick what they want to review next. So, could be days, weeks or months before a draft is reviewed. Meanwhile, work to improve the draft. David notMD (talk) 22:03, 12 May 2022 (UTC)

Sandbox Question
So, recently my sandbox pages were deleted because they looked to similar to an actual Wikipedia article & I never specified it was a fake television show. Would it be against the rules if I were to make something similar to that, BUT, I clarify that this is just fake? TatiVogue (talk) 18:34, 12 May 2022 (UTC)


 * Hi @TatiVogue. What would be the purpose of such a page? If it's simply for your own entertainment, then as was mentioned the last time you visited, that would most likely fall under using Wikipedia as a free web host, and therefore not be allowed. Are you looking to practice editing/creating such articles by using "non-live" versions? 199.208.172.35 (talk) 18:46, 12 May 2022 (UTC)
 * I'm using it to practice & familiarizing myself with the format of RuPaul's Drag Race articles, so I can be better at editing that. It wasn't for my own entertainment, it's just that I wanted to educate myself more with drag race WikiText, because I do want to be a Wikipedia editor. TatiVogue (talk) 18:49, 12 May 2022 (UTC)
 * @TatiVogue, if you want to familiarise yourself with WikiText, there are many tutorials which will help you learn. You can use your sandbox for test edits, etc., but it seemed like you were using it as a way to make elaborate fantasy drag race competitions. A fun way to familiarise yourself with WikiText, yes, but not in keeping with Wikipedia's policies and guidelines. I am glad, however, that you wish to continue editing Wikipedia, and I wish you the best for that! Just bear in mind that Wikipedia is not a free web host. HenryTemplo (talk) 18:55, 12 May 2022 (UTC)
 * Thank you! TatiVogue (talk) 18:57, 12 May 2022 (UTC)
 * @TatiVogue, if I may make a suggestion, you could always work on practice articles of that kind off-line - in a text editor, for instance. Then, when you want to see how they look "live" on the wiki, open your sandbox, paste in the content of the file, and hit "preview." No need to go all the way to publishing. 199.208.172.35 (talk) 19:01, 12 May 2022 (UTC)

, fake articles are not permitted anywhere on Wikipedia. Please see WP:FAKEARTICLE. There are countless ways that you can test wikicode in your sandbox space without mimicking an article. Please remember that Wikipedia is not a free web host. Cullen328 (talk) 22:31, 12 May 2022 (UTC)

Help making a two-column bullet list
I want to split the following bullet list into 2 columns, with only the last 4 bullet points in the second column. Can someone please help me do that?

Royalists. Of Guise's Faction.
 * The King of France.
 * Duke of Guise.
 * Duke of Mayenne.
 * Grillon, Colonel of the Guard.
 * Alphonso Corso, a Colonel.
 * Belleure, a Courtier.
 * Abbot del Bene,
 * M. Monfert,
 * The Cardinal of Guise.
 * Archbishop of Lyons.
 * Polin,
 * Aumale,
 * Bussy,
 * The Curate of St Eustace,
 * Malicorn, a Necromancer,
 * Melanax, a Spirit,
 * Two Sheriffs,
 * Citizens and Rabble, &c.
 * Queen Mother.
 * Marmoutiere, Niece to Grillon.

𝕱𝖎𝖈𝖆𝖎𝖆 (talk) 23:57, 12 May 2022 (UTC)


 * hi and welcome to the teahouse! are you looking for something like this?


 * The King of France.
 * Duke of Guise.
 * Duke of Mayenne.
 * Grillon, Colonel of the Guard.
 * Alphonso Corso, a Colonel.
 * Belleure, a Courtier.
 * Royalists.
 * Abbot del Bene,
 * M. Monfert,
 * Of Guise's Faction.
 * The Cardinal of Guise.
 * Archbishop of Lyons.
 * Polin,
 * Aumale,
 * Bussy,
 * The Curate of St Eustace,
 * Malicorn, a Necromancer,
 * Melanax, a Spirit,


 * Two Sheriffs,
 * Citizens and Rabble, &c.
 * Queen Mother.
 * Marmoutiere, Niece to Grillon.


 * to copy this, check the source code - it uses the templates, , and . happy editing! &#128156; melecie   talk  - 00:20, 13 May 2022 (UTC)
 * alternatively Ficaia, you could wrap the list around which actually works better more often, although that also means giving up being able to say where the division would be: it would split wherever appropriate (usually in the middle) instead. happy editing! &#128156;  melecie   talk  - 00:42, 13 May 2022 (UTC)
 * Cheers 𝕱𝖎𝖈𝖆𝖎𝖆 (talk) 01:02, 13 May 2022 (UTC)

cite journal errors reported but citation looks and operates fine
Can someone explain the error in the two cite journal ?

I copied https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NoSQL to my sandbox without any changes.

When viewing the article the cites look and function fine. However when I Preview in my sandbox I see this warning:

Script warning: One or more cite journal templates have errors; messages may be hidden (help).

I isolated the error to both cites below but cannot debug further. Help! Lirvaya (talk) 23:19, 12 May 2022 (UTC)
 * I am not seeing that you copied anything into your sandbox. Can you please link to it so we can see the errors?  RudolfRed (talk) 23:32, 12 May 2022 (UTC)
 * Next time I will preserve and share link to my sandbox. Thank you for the tip! Lirvaya (talk) 01:04, 13 May 2022 (UTC)
 * Hi @Lirvaya. Neither of those papers appears to have been published in a journal. In any case the citations are missing the "journal=" field and ended up in Category:CS1 errors: missing periodical. We have Cite arXiv for papers deposited at arXiv. For the paper at CiteSeerX replace "cite journal" with "cite CiteSeerX". However unpublished papers don't really belong in Further reading. StarryGrandma (talk) 23:42, 12 May 2022 (UTC)
 * Just fixed the cites, thanks to your tutelege. Lirvaya (talk) 01:05, 13 May 2022 (UTC)

How do I insert brackets without moving a link symbol?
I asked a question at Talk:Oliver Wendell Holmes Jr. because of a problem I had there. But I have had it when I edited other entries as well, so I'll ask it here. I wrote at Talk:Oliver Wendell Holmes Jr.: My edit of 01:40, 13 May 2022 provided a requested citation, with a link. I was unable to place brackets anywhere because it moved the link symbol (the box with the arrow) to the wrong place. I tried to change the first word, "the" to "[T]he" and to place double brackets around "Frankfurter" to change it to "Frankfurter" and to place double brackets around "Nardone v. United States." Maurice Magnus (talk) 01:57, 13 May 2022 (UTC)
 * Your ref was not properly formated, but the URL also appeared to be fatally flawed. I substituted a ref that does not actuall put those words in Frankfuter's mouth. David notMD (talk) 02:36, 13 May 2022 (UTC)

Updating of a Page
I have been tasked to update the Aventus Protocol page, but our new content makes reference to Aventus Network and your system is not liking this very much. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aventus_Protocol This is the response I have received and I am now uncertain on how to proceed

Welcome to Wikipedia. I saw that you edited or created Aventus Protocol, and I noticed that your username, "AventusNetwork", may not comply with our username policy. Please note that you may not use a username that represents the name of a company, group, organization, product, service, or website. Examples of usernames that are not allowed include "XYZ Company", "MyWidgetsUSA.com", and "Foobar Museum of Art". However, you are permitted to use a username that contains such a name if it identifies you individually (not your role), such as "Sara Smith at XYZ Company", "Mark at WidgetsUSA", or "FoobarFan87", but not "SEO Manager at XYZ Company". Please also note that Wikipedia does not allow accounts to be shared by multiple people and that you may not advocate for or promote any company, group, organization, product, service, or website, regardless of your username. Please also read our paid editing policy and our conflict of interest guideline. If you are a single individual and are willing to contribute to Wikipedia in an unbiased manner, please request a change of username by completing the form at Special:GlobalRenameRequest, choosing a username that complies with our username policy. If you believe that your username does not violate our policy, please leave a note here explaining why. Thank you. –Skywatcher68 (talk) 14:24, 10 May 2022 (UTC) AventusNetwork (talk) 14:40, 10 May 2022 (UTC)


 * Hello! The reason you received that message on your talk page is because your username is the same as the company name, which is something that is not permitted here on Wikipedia. In order to comply with Wikipedia's username policy, you should change it to (for example), John at Aventus Network. To request a change in username head to Special:GlobalRenameRequest and fill out the form there with the username you are changing it to. Once your username is changed, please read WP:PAID and WP:COI as it appears you have a Conflict of Interest with the company Aventus Protocol. ― Blaze WolfTalkBlaze Wolf#6545 14:44, 10 May 2022 (UTC)
 * The account has been renamed (now ). Unfortunately, JamieMitchell28, your edit replaced a well-sourced and formatted article with a poorly sourced and formatted one. The talk page of the article is at Talk:Aventus Protocol - once you've reviewed and complied with our policies on paid editing or editing with a COI (whichever is applicable), which have been linked above, you can make suggestions for updates on that talk page. 199.208.172.35 (talk) 16:50, 10 May 2022 (UTC)
 * Hello, Jamie. I'm sorry that your employers (presumably) have given you an extremely difficult task. Please explain to them that Wikipedia's article is not theirs: not theirs to control, not theirs to update, and especially not theirs to insert what they want to see there. You are welcome to suggest changes on the article's talk page, for other, non-involved editors to evaluate and decide what change to make. Material that is cited to an independent source is the most likely to be incorporated, because Wikipedia is not interested in what the subject of an article says or wants to say about themselves, or what their associates say about them. Wikipedia is only interested in what people who have no connection with the subject, and who have not been prompted or fed information on behalf of the subject, have chosen to publish about the subject in reliable sources. ColinFine (talk) 17:14, 10 May 2022 (UTC)
 * If any edits are made, I believe that WP is not interested in info about funding rounds. 73.127.147.187 (talk) 06:02, 13 May 2022 (UTC)

Living Person truthful information
Living Person truthful information being remove from the site. So what you do except please? 142.116.50.224 (talk) 02:08, 11 May 2022 (UTC)


 * On Wikipedia all information we put in article must be verified with independent, reliable sources. So if your edits about someone are being reverted make sure you have a good source backing it up. ― <b style="background:#000;color:#f07b3a;padding:1q;border-radius:5q;">Kaleeb18</b>Talk<sub style="position:relative;right:20q;margin-right:-15px;">Caleb 02:24, 11 May 2022 (UTC)
 * This appears to be about Suresh Joachim. The IP has been adding unreferenced content to a biographical article, hence reverted. No content without refs. David notMD (talk) 10:21, 11 May 2022 (UTC)
 * @IP user, please see WP:NOTTRUTH. 73.127.147.187 (talk) 06:15, 13 May 2022 (UTC)

Hello
How is a info about a new endorsement not constructive? I kept it short and simple and on point, but someone removed it. Endorsements are an imoortant part of Gulf Kanawut's carrer. LoveStar12345 (talk) 12:47, 12 May 2022 (UTC)


 * Did you provide a reliable source?
 * Asparagusus  (interaction)  12:52, 12 May 2022 (UTC)
 * , Wikipedia is not for hosting the fan page of your favorite actor/client. As usual with Gulf and his co-star, the article required serious clean-up and likely needs more. Nothing should be added to the article without being supported by a reliable source. Anything added should also use neutral language. He is not skyrocketing to fame nor courted by brands.Slywriter (talk) 13:16, 12 May 2022 (UTC)

To editor Slywrite Didn't figure out how to respond to your previous answer. I know it's not a fan page and if you have take the time to check out, you would have seen I wasn't the one to add any flowery parts so watch how you talk to me. I understand I didn't provide any sources for the endorsements (the only part I ever edited here) and you deleted. But don't talk to me like I edited his whole wiki page. And I for sure am not a fan of his ex co-star, so I never ever visisted his wiki page, let alone edit it. Who are you to even talk to people you don't know like this, especially when it's easy to check what I have edited. Accusing me of what everyone did on this wiki page. Chill your horses please and since you are good at it, check your facts first before unleashing your frustrations on innocent people. Thanks, peace ✌🏻 LoveStar12345 (talk) 13:33, 12 May 2022 (UTC)
 * If you are using full desktop mode, you may click "edit" at the top of this page, or there should be an "edit" link in the section header. 331dot (talk) 13:39, 12 May 2022 (UTC)
 * @LoveStar12345 As Asparagusus said, I am sure that your addition was removed because you didn't provide any sources for the endorsements. 73.127.147.187 (talk) 06:27, 13 May 2022 (UTC)

Setting Up A New PAGE
I AM SO LOST. I REALLY NEED HELP LEARNING HOW TO SET UP A PAGE. I HAVE THE CONTENT WRITTEN AND IT'S FOR A LEGENDARY HIP HOP ARTIST. 2601:282:8080:C5F0:D4A9:5CEE:A29D:8018 (talk) 18:24, 12 May 2022 (UTC)
 * Please do not yell(use all capital letters). First, does this artist or musician meet the notability criteria? Writing a new article (not a page) is the most difficult thing to do here. Please see Your First Article. 331dot (talk) 18:28, 12 May 2022 (UTC)
 * Hello, and welcome to the Teahouse. Your use of the phrase "set up a page" suggests that, like many people, you are confusing Wikipedia with social media. It is different from them. The (very difficult) activity your are embarking on is writing an encyclopaedia article. This needs to be neutral in tone, and based almost 100% on what people unconnected with the subject have published about them in reliable sources.
 * I'm afraid that it's very likely that the content you have written is unusable in Wikipedia: where did you get it from? If it's from things that the artist or their associates have published, little of it will be relevant to a Wikipedia article. If it's from fan-sites, forums, wikis, or social media, it can't be used. If it's your own observations and conclusions, it can't be used.
 * Experience shows that new editors who try to go straight into creating a new article generally have a frustrating and disappointing time, and often see much of their effort wasted. I always advise new editors to spend a few months learning how Wikipedia works by making small improvements to some of our six million existing articles. ColinFine (talk) 19:09, 12 May 2022 (UTC)
 * @IP editor, the artist is legendary, and yet no one else has chosen to create an article yet?  Hmmmm... @331dot,  if the artist is legendary, truly they are notable!  All those legends... 73.127.147.187 (talk) 06:43, 13 May 2022 (UTC)

Major edit needed: how do I best approach this?
The Wikipedia article Hudibras, about a rather important seventeenth-century satire by Samuel Butler, is rather a mess: it seems to have been set up by someone who was really well-inclined but (amongst other gaps) didn't know very much about the background to the satire, misunderstood it in some significant ways, hadn't read any of Butler's other writings, had no idea that there's an excellent modern edition to refer to (all the existing references are to outdated editions published before 1850 but available on Gutenberg), and wasn't very good at organising the structure of their article to reflect the key points of the satire for the modern reader. It also has some rather misleading misstatements, one of which I checked up on a couple of days ago and then removed.

The entire article needs revision from top to bottom, and I would like (and have the background) to do this; but since I have limited time (am retired but a carer), I can't make all the necessary large-scale and small-scale changes in a few hours' work: it'll take a few days. What's the best thing to do? — write a whole new article in my sandbox and eventually upload it on top of the existing one, or revise the existing one over a few days? The latter sounds easiest for a novice, but how do I save my working copy of the in-process revision of the article without uploading it to the public page?

I've made quite a number of small edits to various Wikipedia pages over the last few years, but nothing on this scale — and I don't want to mess this up for you all!

Warmest regards to all, and warmest thanks for any guidance one of you can give me!

Golden Dorset (aka Michael!)

GoldenDorset (talk) 18:49, 12 May 2022 (UTC)


 * If your going to make a series of major edits, may I recommend adding the  tag to the top of the page? You can also, if you prefer, do the edits on your sandbox, and then add them to the article. Happy editing! HenryTemplo (talk) 19:00, 12 May 2022 (UTC)
 * Great! Sound helpful advice. Many thanks!
 * GoldenDorset (talk) 21:59, 12 May 2022 (UTC)
 * I would recommend that you don't upload your copy on top of the existing one; this makes the page history difficult to read, and if you're first copying the source of the current article to your sandbox, attribution can get confusing. It's probably best to revise the existing one over a few days; you can use the template HenryTemplo suggested to let other editors (and readers) know what you're doing, as well as posting on the article talk page if you like. Hope this helps, and happy editing! Perfect4th (talk) 19:24, 12 May 2022 (UTC)
 * Great! Sound helpful advice. Many thanks! Shall do.
 * GoldenDorset (talk) 22:00, 12 May 2022 (UTC)
 * As tempting as it is to blow up an existing article and plug in all new, I advise an incremental approach. Perhaps a section at a time. And create a New section on the Talk page of the article explaining your intent. Many articles have past editors 'watching' the article for changes, and may take umbridge for massive changes all-at-once. I, for example, over weeks, reduced the length and number of references for Vitamin A by more than 1/3, then added to the article so that the end point was larger and with more refs than when I started. David notMD (talk) 22:09, 12 May 2022 (UTC)


 * , your revision has had a rough start. You made a deletion with the edit summary This is exemplary: it's fastidiously informative, probably more so than any edit summary I have ever provided in over a decade of editing. And what did it bring about? Seven hours later, . Well, a charitable comment would be that this gives new meaning to "unexplained" (and to "reliably" too). If I were you and my improvement had been greeted in this fashion, I'd promptly decamp from Wikipedia, perhaps after leaving some choice hudibrastics on my user page. The history of the article Hudibras shows that it has largely been a creation of a single editor, one who stopped editing years ago. They're unlikely to take umbrage. Creating a sound, substantive new article is hard work; doing so while also retaining as much as is reasonable of what came before and explaining each deletion (not to mention having some of these laboriously explained deletions reverted as "unexplained") is something I'd find intolerably onerous. So I'd disagree with the comments above, and start afresh. However -- and there will be a number of howevers. Your edit history is good, but short. I strongly suggest that you practice your skills by making what you'll reasonably suppose will be minor and uncontroversial improvements to articles on Butler's other works (or closely related subjects), articles that even as they are seem at least fairly sound to you. See what reaction you get. If it's good, step up, making larger improvements. Et cetera. Only then consider creating a Hudibras article in your user-space ex nihilo. Also, I sense that you may be an expert on the subject. If so, excellent! (I wish there were more.) But as you guessed, there are "howevers": please take a good look at Expert editors before you embark on anything ambitious. (Oh, and what's this new(ish), superior edition of Hudibras? Perhaps because it's drowned out by reprints of the old editions, it's hard to find at Worldcat.) -- Hoary (talk) 23:08, 12 May 2022 (UTC)
 * @GoldenDorset Yes, we generally try to preserve attributions, especially when an article has many editors. Per @Hoary, it sounds like that's not the case with this article.  Hoary's advice is good, as always. 73.127.147.187 (talk) 06:51, 13 May 2022 (UTC)

Balaklava Wikipedia Page
Looking for changes to the Balaklava South Australia wiki page so the second line is not about Meth users but rather farming community and race course. 203.54.211.70 (talk) 02:53, 13 May 2022 (UTC)
 * Balaklava,_South_Australia Looks like another editor has already fixed it.  RudolfRed (talk) 03:05, 13 May 2022 (UTC)
 * Hi, I.P, welcome to the Teahouse. I've removed the offending text. It is possible the lede could be improved but it would have to reflect referenced prose in the article and be given due weight. From the quick look i took that didn't seem immediately possible to add what you'd suggested. Zindor (talk) 03:09, 13 May 2022 (UTC)
 * Oddly, that bit of (mis)information has been repeatedly added to the article over the last few weeks, apparently by someone using the above IP. 97.113.167.129 (talk) 03:10, 13 May 2022 (UTC)
 * Good spot, Columbo. I'd hazard a guess that the OP is their mother. Zindor (talk) 03:19, 13 May 2022 (UTC)
 * That IP has added meth and "homosexual" comments to several articles, and has been repeatedly warned. 73.127.147.187 (talk) 06:58, 13 May 2022 (UTC)

Help Fix Meta Page Links
Hello, please can someone help fix the podcast link or page and the team page respectively on the Fante translatewiki Project on meta, thanks. This is the link:https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Fante_translatewiki_Project/Participate.Jwale2 (talk) 06:53, 13 May 2022 (UTC)
 * Is that improved for you now? I was trying to bodge the transcluded header but i think that as a bi-product of that the page purged itself and the redlinks disappeared. Either that or someone else fixed it, which i think is more likely. Zindor (talk) 07:14, 13 May 2022 (UTC)

Creating a new page: Political Candidate
Hello, I am working on creating a page for a political candidate I am working for. He is a candidate that is running for Governor of California and some of his opponents mentioned on https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2022_California_gubernatorial_election#Declared have wikipedia pages but I do not know how to make one. Is there a way I can create a page for him or is that not possible? SKCteam2022 (talk) 22:45, 12 May 2022 (UTC)


 * @SKCteam2022: You can use the article wizard and read your first article for more information. Basically, Wikipedia articles must be written neutrally. I recommend you start making a draft and submit it to articles for creation, where experienced editors will review it. Also, there is a policy called notability. In short, if the subject has been covered in multiple reliable sources, they can probably have an article. And also, all encyclopedic content must be verifiable with citations to reliable sources. I.hate.spam.mail.here (talk | contributions) 23:01, 12 May 2022 (UTC)
 * Please read WP:NPOLITICIAN. Unelected candidates for office are rarely considered notable, unless there is unusually widespread coverage in independent, reliable sources. Cullen328 (talk) 23:37, 12 May 2022 (UTC)
 * Also, @SKCteam2022, please look at the rules regarding Conflict of Interest, as well as the username policy, as you might be violating the policy regarding account ownership (your username implies that it belongs to an organisation, which is not allowed, it has to be linked to an individual). Enjoy your day! HenryTemplo (talk) 08:05, 13 May 2022 (UTC)

Reproduction
@ 41.114.92.95 (talk) 10:52, 13 May 2022 (UTC)


 * Hello, IP user, welcome to the Teahouse! How can we help you? HenryTemplo (talk) 11:08, 13 May 2022 (UTC)

gallery of images
Hello, I was told I should upload images into a gallery of images and not individually.... unsure what this really means, but if someone could show me the steps to do so. I would like to upload a dozen images/scans of newspaper articles that support the article I am drafting. Thank you. MayKassem (talk) 20:19, 12 May 2022 (UTC)


 * @MayKassem, that is a little confusing, can you link to where you were told this? As far as I'm aware, a gallery is a means of displaying images, not uploading them, and it would not be used to display scans of your sources - in fact, uploading them might be copyright violations. Citing a newspaper article simply requires entering the publication information into a citation template. 199.208.172.35 (talk) 20:31, 12 May 2022 (UTC)
 * Hello, MayKassem, and welcome to the Teahouse. First, uploading images and displaying them in an article are two separate steps, and a gallery is a way of displaying them, not anything to do with uploading them.
 * But more serious is that you should not upload scans of articles. Unless they are very old (early 20th century or before) this will be a copyright infringment, and forbidden. Secondly, it should not be necessary. The purpose of citing a source is so that a reader may find and consult the source if they wish. Some sources are easy to find (because they are readily available online); but others are more difficult to come by. As long as a reader can in principle find them (eg by visiting a major library, or by subscribing to a paid-for online service), that is adequate. What is needed is the bibliographic information necessary to find the source: at a minimum, the title, author (if known), date, and publisher, and preferably the page number. See Referencing for beginners. ColinFine (talk) 20:32, 12 May 2022 (UTC)
 * Hello, . You have added images of two magazine covers to Draft:Nourhane, which you have claimed as your "own work". Are you the photographer? Do you personally own the copyright to these magazine covers? If not, you cannot claim them as your "own work". Cullen328 (talk) 22:43, 12 May 2022 (UTC)
 * these are indeed very old and rare. not 20th century, but prior to 1963 (which ends the copyright on images at +28 years in the US) and in Syria +10 years. we are well past those dates. thank you @ColinFine and @199.208.172.35 for answering my question. MayKassem (talk) 12:41, 13 May 2022 (UTC)

How to restore speedy deleted company page
Hello, my team was updating our corporate wiki pages with factual correction https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quess_Corp but it was speedy deleted. I want to understand how can we restore the page and ensure it is aligned with wiki policies and compliance 122.171.86.161 (talk) 07:59, 13 May 2022 (UTC)
 * hi ip user and welcome to the teahouse! given how the title was protected to prevent editing by newer users plus you being connected with the company which is discouraged, it's best to not aim to restore that page for now. seeing the deletion log of Quess Corp, it seems like the article was deleted for being considered promotion or PR, which is not what Wikipedia is for. if your company is truly notable enough to be included to Wikipedia, someone unconnected to your company may make an unbiased article on it in the future, using reliable sources independent from the company itself (and neutrality of both the text and ideally the editor, and the sources being reliable and independent are all policies required in article creation, plus notability guides what can and can't have an article). happy editing! &#128156; melecie   talk  - 08:31, 13 May 2022 (UTC)


 * The page has been speedy deleted multiple times. The last deletion included the criterion G12 ("unambiguous copyright infringement") which does not allow restoration of the page.
 * You should first gather sources that are simultaneously (1) independent of the company (so no press releases, interviews etc.), (2) from reliable sources (99% of the time, that means articles from reliable newspapers) and (3) deal with the subject at length (a short article along the lines of "company opens a new office in [town the newspaper is located in]" does not count). If (and only if) those sources exist, you should create an article at Draft:Quess Corp, taking care to follow policies such as WP:NPOV which require non-promotional, dry, just-the-facts writing. Once you think it is ready for publication in the mainspace, copy-paste the magic code at the top of the draft, and it will be reviewed by an experienced editor.
 * A few additional points:
 * Regarding "my team" - you should create one account per person that edits the article (group accounts are forbidden, so "Quess Corp" is not an acceptable account name but "Vlad Tepes at Quess Corp" is)
 * Assuming you are paid directly or indirectly by Quess Corp, you need to disclose it in the manner prescribed at WP:PAID (that is part of the terms of use of Wikipedia) for every person/account
 * If the article is created, it is not "your corporate wiki page", and you have no more control about what the article says than other random editors.
 * Tigraan <span title="Send me a silicium letter!" style="color:">Click here for my talk page ("private" contact) 08:36, 13 May 2022 (UTC)

Not meaning to be adding to your woe, but Quest Corp as a topic has been protected from attempts to recreate it without approval from an Administrator: "Pages that have been creation-protected are sometimes referred to as "salted". Editors wishing to re-create a salted title with appropriate content should either contact an administrator (preferably the protecting administrator), file a request at Wikipedia:Requests for page protection#Current requests for reduction in protection level, or use the deletion review process. To make a convincing case for re-creation, it is helpful to show a draft version of the intended article when filing a request." See Quess Corp for the protection notice, which also states "This page has been protected so only extended confirmed users can create it." Extended confirmed status requires a registered account that has been in existance for 90 days, with >500 article edits. David notMD (talk) 12:20, 13 May 2022 (UTC)
 * About your team updating "our corporate wiki pages," you need to know that neither your team nor anybody else (team or otherwise) can have our, your, or their corporate wiki pages. There might some day be an encyclopedia article in Wikipedia about your corporation.  If that happens, it will not be a corporate wiki page, and it will not be owned by you, your team, your corporation, or anybody else.  You'll have no control over it, and you might or might not like everything about it. Uporządnicki (talk) 12:46, 13 May 2022 (UTC)

Afghanistan
Why do you make Taliban flag on every pages? 2A01:C23:8024:5300:7589:E891:67E0:3493 (talk) 13:04, 13 May 2022 (UTC)


 * Because the Taliban currently controls Afghanistan. ― <b style="color:#000;">TUNA</b> <b style="color:#000;font-size:20px;padding:0.8q 3q 3.7q 1.7q;display:inline-block;line-height:12q;background:#2a7ebe">×</b> 13:09, 13 May 2022 (UTC)

Deletion of redirects
Hi! Pakistan has four provinces, and each further contain 7-9 divisions. Currently, there exist two articles having information on divisions of a specific province (Divisions of Khyber Pakhtunkhwa and Divisions of Punjab, Pakistan). However, searching for the divisions of the other two provinces (Divisions of Sindh and Divisions of Balochistan, Pakistan) redirects one to the 'parent' page Divisions of Pakistan.

Should these two redirects be deleted so that individual pages can be created for divisions of Sindh and Balochistan?
 * Hello and welcome to the Teahouse, the answer to your question is no, because the redirects take the reader to the article where they can find that information. If the redirects served no real purpose then it could be deleted. If an article on the divisions of the specific provinces was to be made, they could start in draftspace and then be moved to page which is the redirect. So there is no need to delete the redirect to make room for an article on it. I would suggest reading WP:R to see reasons to delete redirects. ― <b style="background:#000;color:#f07b3a;padding:1q;border-radius:5q;">Kaleeb18</b>Talk<sub style="position:relative;right:20q;margin-right:-15px;">Caleb 13:24, 13 May 2022 (UTC)

Finding things to edit
Hello, I have followed the tutorial helpfully provided after making an account. I can find things to do by clicking on my username at the top of my screen and scrolling through the available tasks but is there a more intuitive way to find things that need to be done on Wikipedia? Or should I stick with that for now? I have mostly been doing copy-editing and reading through the copious amounts of policies! Thank you. Beag Fiadh (talk) 07:46, 13 May 2022 (UTC)


 * hi and welcome to the teahouse! apart from the Homepage tab, there's also the Task center which provides a more general overview of stuff that can be done, or Maintenance which is less pretty and beginner-friendly but more complete in a way. you could also join a WikiProject of your choice based on your interests, which provides information on what needs to be improved regarding the subject. happy editing! &#128156;  melecie   talk  - 07:52, 13 May 2022 (UTC)
 * Your reply is amazing. Thank you! Beag Fiadh (talk) 14:00, 13 May 2022 (UTC)

Finding saved information
Hold@ Finding saved information saved on phone 174.100.111.173 (talk) 14:07, 13 May 2022 (UTC)
 * Hello IP Editor and welcome to the Teahouse! What information are we holding for? Normally we can look at a user's contributions to try and tell but your only contribution is the one above. If you can provide more information then we might be able to hep you further. -- A Rose Wolf  14:13, 13 May 2022 (UTC)

How do I add images to an article?
I want to add images to the article Windows Movie Maker because I have screenshots of it running on different operating systems, however I am new to Wikipedia and I do not know how to upload an image to a gallery of images on that article, you know, at the bottom of the page. Jabin127 (talk) 13:09, 13 May 2022 (UTC)


 * Hi, welcome to Teahouse! To add an image to an article, you first need to upload it to the Wikimedia Commons (here). However, you need to make sure that your image fits the copyright and fair use policies that Wikipedia has. You can find more information at WP:C. Happy editing. ― <b style="color:#000;">TUNA</b> <b style="color:#000;font-size:20px;padding:0.8q 3q 3.7q 1.7q;display:inline-block;line-height:12q;background:#2a7ebe">×</b> 13:27, 13 May 2022 (UTC)
 * Thanks, . Would a screenshot of the Windows Movie Maker running on Windows XP violate copyright? I don't think it would because I technically made the image by screenshotting it, but I would like some input from an experienced user so that I don't violate any rules or guidelines. Jabin127 (talk) 13:33, 13 May 2022 (UTC)
 * @Jabin127 Welcome to the Teahouse, and thank you for your question. I'm afraid we cannot give you the go ahead to do what you want to do - sorry. Expanding on @Tunakanski's reply, software screenshots can be an extremely tricky subject to get to grips with because various copyright issues can come into play, especially if you are wanting to demonstrate software editing an already copyrighted image on its screen, and it being a copyrighted piece of software, as Windows Movie Maker most definitely will be. Before getting into the actual practicalities of how to make an already uploaded image appear into an article, I suggest you very carefully read through this page: Software screenshots. It points out that Wikimedia Commons is not the right place to upload an image to if there are going to be copyright concerns over non-free software, instead uploading one single image solely to English Wikipedia under a 'free use rationale' is permitted, providing that image directly relates to the subject of the article and would help in its comprehension. Unfortunately, that has already happened with this image of that programme, so a second image of the software cannot be uploaded.
 * It is really important that you appreciate that the software (and thus the screenshots you hoped to upload) are copyright of Microsoft. Under our Non-free content rules you should note that only one image is permitted in the relevant article, not multiple ones. So I'm afraid that your hopes for a gallery or multiple images on this article have to be dashed in this particular instance. But thanks so much for asking beforehand so that we can try to explain things. If I've not made this clear, do please ask a follow-up question as images of copyrighted software are a really tricky subject to get one's head around here. Regards, Nick Moyes (talk) 13:35, 13 May 2022 (UTC)
 * Thanks,, I understand. I have one more question about this: if I wanted to upload a screenshot of free, open-source software, say LibreOffice for example, or a screenshot of a Linux distribution, would I be able to do that? Jabin127 (talk) 13:41, 13 May 2022 (UTC)
 * @Jabin127 To be honest, you would need to check each individual programme's licencing. I think the advice you'd need to follow is explained on English Wikipedia in the 1st paragraph of this section of the link I gave you. On Wikimedia Commons, the advice can be found here. In essence, it actually depends on how a piece of software has been licenced - so you'd need to check each one separately. Remember that what can often be a more productive use of time is actually improving the written content of an article (based upon published sources, rather than from your own personal knowledge). Imagery is nice to have, but not essential. Nick Moyes (talk) 14:49, 13 May 2022 (UTC)
 * Thank you! Jabin127 (talk) 14:50, 13 May 2022 (UTC)

Should the dmy dates template be added above the short description?
Hi. I’ve noticed an article that doesn’t have the dmy dates template, and I wanted to add it. However, it has a short description, and I’m worrying that if I put it in the wrong order it will break something. Should I put the template above the short description or below it? Thanks in advance. Speatle ( talk to me ) please ping me when replying to something I said. 15:31, 13 May 2022 (UTC)
 * @Speatle: Welcome to the Teahouse. As far as I'm aware the positioning of those two templates don't matter. Conventionally people place short descriptions at the top of the page, if possible. — Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 15:33, 13 May 2022 (UTC)
 * Thanks. Speatle  ( talk to me ) please ping me when replying to something I said . 15:35, 13 May 2022 (UTC)

how to make info boxes
That has text in them Xmoyer (talk) 15:23, 13 May 2022 (UTC)


 * Welcome to the Teahouse, . As a newcomer to Wikipedia editing, I don't think you should worry about creating new infoboxes yet. To use one of our many existing ones, see WP:INFOBOX. Mike Turnbull (talk) 15:39, 13 May 2022 (UTC)

footbaall
what is a football betweeen a soccerball 0000123w (talk) 15:43, 13 May 2022 (UTC)


 * @0000123w, do you have any question related to editing Wikipedia? Your current query is not very clear... <span style="font-family:Segoe print; color:#FF8C00; text-shadow:skyblue 0.5em 0.5em 0.5em; font-weight:bold">Kpddg  (talk)  15:45, 13 May 2022 (UTC)
 * They are the same thing. You can look up these words in Wikipedia. You will find the information at football/soccerball. Shantavira|feed me 16:28, 13 May 2022 (UTC)
 * "Hard to put"? Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 16:47, 13 May 2022 (UTC)

Help and guidance needed for new page
can anyone help me to create a page, which I recently did Kbv2024 (talk) 16:09, 10 May 2022 (UTC)


 * @Kbv2024, hello and welcome to the Teahouse. Can you be more specific about which article you're referring to? I see three drafts and one successfully created article in your contribution history. 199.208.172.35 (talk) 17:05, 10 May 2022 (UTC)
 * the draft name is yogesh lakhani Kbv2024 (talk) 03:40, 12 May 2022 (UTC)
 * Link: Draft:Yogesh lakhani. I see it's been repeatedly moved between mainspace and draftspace. @Kbv2024, I took a look at the sources, and the ones I could read did not provide in-depth coverage of the subject. The draft says he won the Dadasaheb Phalke Award, but it seems he actually won one of the other awards mentioned here, which are not nearly as prestigious. The notability of this person seems to be in doubt and the sourcing seems weak. 199.208.172.35 (talk) 13:53, 12 May 2022 (UTC)
 * User has been blocked as a sock. ― <b style="background:#0d1125;color:#51aeff;padding:1q;border-radius:5q;">Blaze Wolf</b>Talk<sub title="Discord Username" style="margin-left:-22q;">Blaze Wolf#6545 17:15, 13 May 2022 (UTC)

Kathy Barnette's Wiki page
Kathy Barnette is in a statistical tie for the Pennsylvania Republican senate primary. She is a notable person and is worthy of a Wikipedia web page, but it was taken down. Is there some reason it can't be put back online? 164.111.127.13 (talk) 16:16, 10 May 2022 (UTC)


 * The article was deleted per this discussion, which determined that she did not - at that time - meet our notability criteria for politicians. I see it's been repeatedly recreated, but apparently without improvement. The latest version will most likely be deleted soon; the article may be salted against recreation if this continues. 199.208.172.35 (talk) 16:24, 10 May 2022 (UTC)
 * Hello IP editor and welcome to the Teahouse! Without digging too far I suspect it has to do with WP:NPOL. Merely being a candidate for a political office is not a notability claim. If the candidate wins the general election or is a major local politician that has received significant coverage in reliable sources then that may be a claim of notability. Look at NPOL and see if Kathy meets any of the criteria listed. If not then that may be your answer. -- A Rose Wolf  16:27, 10 May 2022 (UTC)
 * Thanks to both of you. 164.111.127.13 (talk) 16:30, 10 May 2022 (UTC)
 * Page is technically still there, however it's a redirect and has been fully protected to prevent it from being recreated again. ― <b style="background:#0d1125;color:#51aeff;padding:1q;border-radius:5q;">Blaze Wolf</b>Talk<sub title="Discord Username" style="margin-left:-22q;">Blaze Wolf#6545 17:15, 10 May 2022 (UTC)

Some coverage based on deletion: Of course, WP:EPOCHTIMES. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 21:42, 11 May 2022 (UTC)
 * Oh joy. 199.208.172.35 (talk) 21:49, 11 May 2022 (UTC)
 * Quite. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 14:06, 13 May 2022 (UTC)
 * I don't even know what it says because they want me to give them my email to keep reading. I'd rather not give a source that categorizes that as "censorship" my email. ― <b style="background:#0d1125;color:#51aeff;padding:1q;border-radius:5q;">Blaze Wolf</b>Talk<sub title="Discord Username" style="margin-left:-22q;">Blaze Wolf#6545 14:11, 13 May 2022 (UTC)
 * @Blaze Wolf, try this one, it's not that bad. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 17:10, 13 May 2022 (UTC)
 * "the encyclopedia notes" No it doesn't. The encyclopedia isn't a living thing. It's an editor (or deleting admin) that notes that. I find it kinda funny how they are referring to Wikipedia as if it's a living breathing entity. ― <b style="background:#0d1125;color:#51aeff;padding:1q;border-radius:5q;">Blaze Wolf</b>Talk<sub title="Discord Username" style="margin-left:-22q;">Blaze Wolf#6545 17:14, 13 May 2022 (UTC)
 * I tend to think of us as a sort of hive-mind. Also, whenever some media complains "Wikipedians deleted whatever!", for some reason they forget that that means Wikipedians also created the whatever. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 17:53, 13 May 2022 (UTC)
 * I guess Wikipedia's community is sort of a hive-mind. Also that is a very good point. ― <b style="background:#0d1125;color:#51aeff;padding:1q;border-radius:5q;">Blaze Wolf</b>Talk<sub title="Discord Username" style="margin-left:-22q;">Blaze Wolf#6545 17:56, 13 May 2022 (UTC)
 * Maybe a new addition is needed to our Wikifauna: WikiBorg. 199.208.172.35 (talk) 18:09, 13 May 2022 (UTC)
 * Or an expansion/clarification of WikiBee. -- A Rose Wolf  18:16, 13 May 2022 (UTC)
 * I'll stick with WikiSloth. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 19:51, 13 May 2022 (UTC)

Talk page after a move
I changed the article name for the artist Frederick E. Olmsted to Frederick E. Olmsted Jr. because I had written a new article about his father--and technically Jr. should have been included in the name of the article anyway. I have merged articles before, but not with the move button. Both article and talk page seemed to be fine after the move. And I was able to then publish the new article for Frederick E. Olmsted who was forester. However, the talk page for my new article is still the old talk page for Jr. with a redirect. Not sure what step I missed or how to fix this. Any advice? Rublamb (talk) 21:07, 13 May 2022 (UTC) Thanks anyway, but I figured it out. Rublamb (talk) 21:13, 13 May 2022 (UTC)

Add citation/source
What's the exact way of adding a news article link URL link or the like next to a statement that I add in an article? I'm sorry but I really don't know how, at least from a technical standpoint without simply linking the URL after it, which obviously isn't the right way. Hgh1985 (talk) 02:01, 13 May 2022 (UTC)


 * hi Hgh1985! you could learn how to cite over at Referencing for beginners, but the template would be or  wrapped around the }}. An oddity is that if you want to cite a discrete part within an edited volume (e.g. a paper written by one author within a book edited by a different author), then what you need is . (I used the latter template just this morning, for something within a mere booklet of less than 20 pages.) -- Hoary (talk) 02:31, 13 May 2022 (UTC)
 * Huh, today I learned that exists, and that I've evidently screwed up a couple of references hereabouts. Thanks Hoary!  97.113.167.129 (talk) 02:42, 13 May 2022 (UTC)
 * One doesn't need to use cite encyclopedia in such a case; see "Citing a chapter in a book with different authors for different chapters and an editor" in Template:Cite book. Deor (talk) 14:26, 13 May 2022 (UTC)
 * , I sit corrected. Thank you! -- Hoary (talk) 22:02, 13 May 2022 (UTC)

Possible removal of notability guideline template from top of article page
Hi,

When the page for the UK based band The Zangwills was created some years ago, there was a header added querying notability. Since then, the band have gone on to make significant progress in terms of general success, popularity and further music releases. Their page is also now directly linked to and from Maisie Williams (Game of Thrones) page as she produced a music video for their song Judas on the Dancefloor. The video was directed by BAFTA winning young director Lowri Roberts and went on to win a film festival award for Best International Music Video.

I wondered therefore if the query notability header could now be reviewed and possibly removed and wanted to seek advice here on how to go about flagging that up for consideration.

Many Thanks & All Best Wishes MMyll (talk) 15:49, 13 May 2022 (UTC)
 * Hello, . Based on their success in the last three years as reflected in the article, I have removed the 2019 notability tag. Cullen328 (talk) 16:36, 13 May 2022 (UTC)
 * That's great, thanks.  MMyll (talk) 17:36, 13 May 2022 (UTC)


 * Notability aside, MMyll, I'm inclined to add a "promotional" template to this. Consider for example: [who, NB, is a band member, and thus not a disinterested source] . Putting aside the question of how anyone "carve[s] out national treasure status" for anything, of course fans of a band value a band (if they didn't, they wouldn't be fans); and this factoid is sourced to an unspecified item somewhere within a bulky issue of a magazine. -- Hoary (talk) 22:21, 13 May 2022 (UTC)

How to obtain excerpts for classical music pieces
How do you get these nice and clear excerpts like in the featured article Piano Sonata No. 31? The article I am working on, Piano Concerto No. 5, has these pretty bad audio excerpts that need to be replaced. I could not find any help on Wikipedia music documentation. Thank you. YourJudge (talk) 22:53, 13 May 2022 (UTC)


 * Hi, ! Is this the music documentation you were looking for? I looked at the instructions in this media file help page and it seems you will have to have access to the song from which you take an excerpt. You could also try looking here, although I don't know if the resources listed there are as helpful for classical music. Alternatively, you can take a look at what the provider of one of the files you referenced in Piano Sonata No. 31 has (diffs:  ). Hope this helps! Perfect4th (talk) 23:15, 13 May 2022 (UTC)
 * Sorry, @Perfect4th, for being unclear. I was specifically looking for the image sources. In the featured article Piano Sonata No. 31, the images (diffs:  ) are nice and clear while in my article, it is just midi files. It seems Help:Sibelius is the closest to what I need, but I wonder what to do if you cannot buy Sibelius. YourJudge (talk) 01:08, 14 May 2022 (UTC)
 * Ah, my bad, ! You might have already found Help:Score, which displays an image but in .midi format and is entirely manual input anyway. This MOS guideline describes the guidelines for image sources, but doesn't say where to find them; you'll likely either have to find an image or make one (I'm definitely not a copyright expert, but Beethoven's works are in the public domain, so I think a transcription would be okay). There ought to be an alternative to Sibelius somewhere that should work if there isn't one already. I use a cheaper software but it has less capabilities and I don't know if it would work for this purpose. Perfect4th (talk) 01:51, 14 May 2022 (UTC)

Internet archive
I would like to upload the episodes from shows like Floodlines and Timber Wars to the internet archive and probably link to them in the external links section or something. However, I've never uploaded anything to the IA before. Can I just upload whatever I want? If these shows are copyrighted do I need to get consent from the creators? Basically any help with how to upload things to the IA would be appreciated. TipsyElephant (talk) 01:12, 14 May 2022 (UTC)
 * Hi, and welcome to the Teahouse. No, you cannot upload whatever you want, especially if it's copyrighted – see The Internet Archive's page on "What movies can I upload?", and consider Wikipedia's policies on non-free content and linking to copyrighted works. ClaudineChionh (talk – contribs) 02:18, 14 May 2022 (UTC)

I've been working on a season article for the first season of The New Adventures of Winnie the Pooh
I've been working on a page for The New Adventures of Winnie the Pooh (season 1), and I was wondering if it looks good so far and if it's a good page to include in wikipedia. And if it is, I want to make pages for the other 3 seasons as well. Here it is: User:LeotheBoy1110/sandbox2. LeotheBoy1110 (talk) 17:40, 13 May 2022 (UTC)
 * @LeotheBoy1110 I can tell you put a lot of work into your article draft, and the general layout, and much of what you wrote is good, but there are problems. The main difficulty is references. I looked at your reference list and see that references 7 through 18 have a "missing or empty title", so I believe you must have made formatting errors. In addition, a lot of your article is lacking references. In the Release section the first two paragraphs have a reference for their first sentence, but the rest of the sentences have no sources given. I don't know if what you wrote came from a book, a newspaper article, or if you are giving your opinion. Unfortunately, if you can't find a reliable reference for what you want to write, you need to leave that part out until you can reference it properly.
 * There are also a few places where you seem a bit too enthusiastic. You state that publications gave the series "extremely positive reviews," when just writing "positive reviews" will let the readers know that reviewers liked the show. But the main task before is to fix your reference problems. Help:Referencing for beginners may be a useful guide for you. Look for additional sources so that every sentence of information you write will have a proper reliable reference.
 * Take a deep breath, perhaps step away from your draft for a day or two, and then go back to work on your problem areas. Writing a Wikipedia article is hard work, but you've made a good start. Best wishes on improving what you've written. Karenthewriter (talk) 03:52, 14 May 2022 (UTC)

Please help me with my page
Can someone at the TeaHouse with knowledge of creating Wikipedia pages assist me with mine, which although is almost complete, seems to be in limbo. The Page is for a Pro Basketball Player named Kylan Guerra. Thanks. 159.123.253.1 (talk) 13:45, 11 May 2022 (UTC)


 * Link: Draft:Kylan Guerra, created by . 199.208.172.35 (talk) 13:47, 11 May 2022 (UTC)
 * Note that the IP asked this same question back in November. See this link. ― <b style="background:#0d1125;color:#51aeff;padding:1q;border-radius:5q;">Blaze Wolf</b>Talk<sub title="Discord Username" style="margin-left:-22q;">Blaze Wolf#6545 13:49, 11 May 2022 (UTC)
 * After much advice given, the page has been updated with all the recommended improvements. Ginger Rocky (talk) 13:56, 11 May 2022 (UTC)
 * @Ginger Rocky, there are still issues with the draft - the entire high school career section is uncited, for example, as is the personal life section, there's no cite for Performer of the Year, and the external links section should probably be removed entirely. 199.208.172.35 (talk) 14:26, 11 May 2022 (UTC)
 * Tough to find High School cited info. How do I remove the External Link section without losing the Reference section? Ginger Rocky (talk) 15:23, 11 May 2022 (UTC)
 * @Ginger Rocky, if you can't cite a source for something, then remove the information. How did you learn all of that stuff if you didn't have a source for it? I see you did figure out how to remove the external links section. 199.208.172.35 (talk) 15:30, 11 May 2022 (UTC)
 * Yes, that was a very good point, IP. How does the editor know something if thers is no source? 73.127.147.187 (talk) 05:34, 14 May 2022 (UTC)
 * Okay, I was able to locate a citation from his High School days and added it. I also removed the External Links Section.  Hopefully, this will help.  Thank you for your guidance. Ginger Rocky (talk) 15:46, 11 May 2022 (UTC)

Help with "submission is not adequately supported by reliable sources."
Drafting an article and it was denied because it says it was "not adequately supported by reliable sources". The subject of the article is noted on IMDB for all their roles, there is a complete local news story about him (with name and photos therein), another local news story that had video coverage of him in his philanthropic endeavors. Also included was a link to the charity that he actually started and runs (which includes events, photographs of him, etc.).

Trying to understand what is missing that IMDB to show all his movie credits, and published news articles speaking to his philanthropic nature aren't "reliable sources" (unless i'm possibly annotating the references incorrectly, possibly confusing "references" with "external links" (though the above are all in the "references" section. If there's anyone that can provide some assistance, possibly show me what I'm doing wrong, it would be greatly appreciated.

I am actually looking at another actor (Gregory Sporleder ) who has fewer references (only 1 reference that actually isn't a broken link and mentions him in it), and identical external links (IMDB)...and his page is up without an issue, so i'm trying to understand what is lacking here as this one seems to be more thoroughly annotated. ForTheLoveOfTheGame1513 (talk) 17:41, 13 May 2022 (UTC)

The page I'm trying to submit: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Shawn_Alexander_Thompson

The one I am referring to that has 1 valid link: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gregory_Sporleder — Preceding unsigned comment added by ForTheLoveOfTheGame1513 (talk • contribs) 17:42, 13 May 2022 (UTC)
 * Hello, . IMDb is not a reliable source. Please read WP:IMDB. The link to the charity he runs is a primary source and obviously not an independent source and therefore is of no use in establishing notability. The three films he recently acted in appear to be low budget efforts that have not yet been released. Your reference titled "Community gets results for woman whose bike was stolen" does not mention Thompson. You have presented no evidence that this person is notable. Cullen328 (talk) 18:11, 13 May 2022 (UTC)
 * As for Gregory Sporleder, could that article be improved? Absolutely. But Sporleder has had many roles in major films and TV shows going back a third of a century. He is notable. Cullen328 (talk) 18:17, 13 May 2022 (UTC)
 * I'm sure that the local newspaper articles are good, reliable sources, but the problem is whether the actor is notable, as explained in notability. I have had a couple of local newspaper articles written about me, and have been seen in a couple of YouTube history documentaries, but I am not notable to anyone other than close friends and family members. Your article may be too soon and an article about the actor can be accepted when he becomes better known. Best wishes on your Wikipedia work. Karenthewriter (talk) 22:51, 13 May 2022 (UTC)
 * Also, see WP:OSE 73.127.147.187 (talk) 06:52, 14 May 2022 (UTC)

How do I create a new parameter which is not already there in Infobox?
I would like to add a new parameter 'nearest metro station' so that it is easy to navigate in places like Delhi. How do I create it? Libreravi (talk) 07:30, 14 May 2022 (UTC)


 * Hello again @Libreravi! If you want to add a new parameter to a infobox, maybe start a discussion on the templates talk page. I wouldn't add it to the template directly if I were you, as templates are fiddly things. On some infoboxes, however, there are options to add another title and info, so maybe check out that. Happy editing! HenryTemplo (talk) 07:48, 14 May 2022 (UTC)
 * Hello, Libreravi. is right to suggest you discuss it first; but I would oppose adding this field, for three reasons. First, in most cases it would be original research; secondly, in some cases it would be a matter of opinion; thirdly, Wikipedia is not a travel guide. ColinFine (talk) 10:39, 14 May 2022 (UTC)

Create Wikipedia page...
How to create a wikipedia page without auto deletion?... What are procedure to launch a wikipedia page?... 157.51.163.199 (talk) 10:42, 14 May 2022 (UTC)
 * Hello and welcome. Wikipedia does not have "pages", it has articles.  Wikipedia articles are not "auto deleted"; if you are referencing a specific article or draft(your edit history indicates no other contributions besides here) please tell us which one.  Creating a new article is the absolute hardest thing to attempt on Wikipedia.  It is recommended that you first gain experience and knowledge by first editing existing articles in areas that interest you, to get a feel for how Wikipedia operates and what it expected of article content.  If you create an account, you can use the new user tutorial as well.
 * If the topic you want to write about receives significant coverage in independent reliable sources that have chosen on their own to write about it, and the topic meets the Wikipedia definition of notability, you may visit Articles for Creation to create and submit a draft. Reading Your First Article will help as well. 331dot (talk) 10:47, 14 May 2022 (UTC)
 * I assume you talk about creating a new Wikipedia 'article (not just "page"). Since your IP adress has made no edits besdies this one, I cannot determine where your previous attempt failed, but in general the steps to create a new Wikipedia article are as follows:

Congratulations, you have now created a valid Wikipedia article.
 * First, review our guideline on notability, our policy on Verifiability, and our general notability guideline (GNG). Consider whether your <span title="The subject is the person, business, organization or thing that the article will be about."> subject  clearly meets the standards listed there. Also, check  if the topic is already covered, perhaps under a different spelling or in a section of an article about a wider topic. You will waste a lot of time, if you create a new article, and then find that the encyclopedia already has an article about that.
 * Second, read how to create Your First Article and referencing for beginners and again consider if you want to go ahead.
 * Third,  This is absolutely required; omitting it can result in you being blocked from further editing. 
 * Fourth, gather sources. You want independent, professionally published, reliable sources with each discussing the subject in some detail. If you can't find several such sources, stop; an article will not be created! Sources do NOT need to be online, or in English, although it is helpful if at least some are. The "independent" part is vital. Wikipedia does not consider as independent sources such as press releases, or news stories based on press releases, or anything published by the subject itself or an affiliate of the subject. Strictly local coverage is also not preferred. Regional or national newspapers or magazines, books published by mainstream publishers (not self-published), or scholarly journals are usually good. So are online equivalents of these. (Additional sources may verify particular statements but not discuss the subject in detail. But those significant detailed sources are needed first.)
 * Fifth, use the article wizard to create a draft under the articles for creation project. This is always a good idea for an inexperienced editor, but in the case of an editor with a conflict of interest it is essential.
 * Sixth, use the sources gathered before (and other sources you may find along the way) to write the article. Cite all significant statements to sources. Do not express opinions or judgements, unless they are explicitly attributed to named people or entities, preferably in a direct quotation, and cited to a source. Do not use puffery or marketing-speak. Provide page numbers, dates, authors and titles for sources to the extent these are available. A title is always needed. Submit the draft when you think it is ready for review. Be prepared to wait a while for a review (several weeks or more).
 * Seventh, when (well perhaps if) your draft is declined, pay attention to the comments of the reviewer, and correct the draft and resubmit it. During this whole process, if you face any unresolvable editing hurdles, or cannot comprehend any editing issue, feel free to post a request and ask the regulars. Repeat this until the draft passes review.
 * Hope this helps, Victor Schmidt (talk) 10:49, 14 May 2022 (UTC)

Requested move at Jimin (singer, born 1995)
I started a requested move and several days have passed since then, and it's only gotten two supports. I was wondering if that would be enough for it to be moved, or if it needs to be relisted for further responses. 52-whalien (talk) 01:33, 14 May 2022 (UTC)


 * @52-whalien Requested Move discussions stay open for at least seven days, so it has only about a day to run, someone will come around to close it, as the nominator it should not be you. Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 11:15, 14 May 2022 (UTC)

Possible DAB for geological surveys in Australia
Dear Teahouse friends,

I'd like to create a DAB for Australian geological surveys, sometimes they can be tricky to find as they were done by different departments.

Would this be considered suitable? At present there is the overarching descriptive Geological survey. It has some linked examples it is not so nationally specific. There is a category but I believe a DAB would be of more value. Thank you for your advice!

If this type of disambiguation page is allowed, I would be adding these pages:

Geological Survey of South Australia

Geological Survey of Queensland

Geological Survey of Victoria

Geological Survey of Western Australia

SunnyBoi (talk) 04:57, 14 May 2022 (UTC)
 * Hi I think that what you describe is better done using Wikipedia Categories. We already have Category:Geological surveys of Australia which seems to cover those you mention. So anyone looking at an article in this category can click through to find the others (i.e. the category will be at the bottom of the articles). Mike Turnbull (talk) 11:49, 14 May 2022 (UTC)

Anonymous Editor has left name and phone number after complaint about a company on that company's talk page
I am watching The Dollar Store and I was informed of a change on the Talk Page:The Dollar Store. When I went there I saw a wordy complaint by an anonymous editor about an incident that had occurred between her and a store employee. At the end of the complaint she left her name and presumably her real phone number. What does one do in a case like this? Thank you bobdog54 (talk) 01:44, 14 May 2022 (UTC)
 * Contact the oversight team. See WP:OVERSIGHT for instructions.  The page you linked to does not exist, so please make sure you have the right page when you submit your request.  RudolfRed (talk) 01:48, 14 May 2022 (UTC)
 * Thank you for your speedy reply–It was Dollar Tree(my brain went into neutral). In the meantime, another anonymous editor deleted the entire comment and mentioned oversight so I will figure that they have stealthily taken care of the problem? Or not? bobdog54 (talk) 01:58, 14 May 2022 (UTC)
 * IIRC, I can't request oversight, that needs a registered user with an email address. I just wanted to get that post off the page... hopefully quietly, but ah well. 97.113.167.129 (talk) 02:09, 14 May 2022 (UTC)
 * 97.113.167.129, assuming you have an email adress, you can email the overisght team directly, without the need to go through Wikipedia's email user feature. Their email adress is . Victor Schmidt (talk) 07:20, 14 May 2022 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the tip! I'd be worried about my report getting lost in the loads of junk mail which a public email address like that no doubt attracts, but it's better than nothing. Dealing with "simple" revdel requests is easier, usually I just check CAT:RFRD and here and ping a poor unsuspecting soul (since leaving a note on their talk page might draw undue attention to the issue), but maybe that's not really the best way to go about it. I've never used IRC (can IPs even use IRC?), but I'm told it's another option. 97.113.167.129 (talk) 13:11, 14 May 2022 (UTC)
 * I contacted oversight and redacted the edit. Galobtter (pingó mió) 02:30, 14 May 2022 (UTC)
 * Gracias, lurking gorilla-admin (so large, yet so quiet!). 97.113.167.129 (talk) 03:02, 14 May 2022 (UTC)
 * @Bobdog54 For next time, it is best not to post about such things on a highly visible page like the Teahouse so as to not attract more attention to the personal information, and you can contact WP:OVERSIGHT as mentioned above. Galobtter (pingó mió) 02:33, 14 May 2022 (UTC)
 * I had reservations about doing the post but had no idea what else to do. Now I know about Oversight and I thank everyone for their help and I can stop cringing about the way I went about asking my question. Live and Learn as I travel the road of Wikipedia. bobdog54 (talk) 13:45, 14 May 2022 (UTC)

Can't find wikipedia article for Amar Bharati, does it exist?
I red about a man called Amar Bharati in this article and there seems to be all kinds of information on hin in the internet. However I can't find his Wikipedia page. The article mentions his wikimedia commons as the image source for the picture, I can't find the image as well. Where can I find his wikipedia page? Thank you very much. TheFibonacciEffect (talk) 11:21, 14 May 2022 (UTC)


 * hi TheFibonacciEffect and welcome to the teahouse! there doesn't seem to be an article about Amar Bharati at the moment, not even a deleted one. I also searched up at TinEye, and while that includes hits from many places including the BBC, Commons isn't one of them (plus I also searched up through Commons's search, which revealed nothing). happy editing! &#128156; melecie   talk  - 11:37, 14 May 2022 (UTC)
 * (edit conflict) Hi There is no article on him in Wikipedia (nor a Draft). The reason you got a Google hit associated with "Amar Bharati Wikipedia" is because there is a reddit page that has this combinaton of words. I can't find that image on Commons, either, but it may have been deleted there for copyvio (or other reason) after being used elsewhere. Mike Turnbull (talk) 11:41, 14 May 2022 (UTC)
 * Hi TheFibonacciEffect, At the moment there is no article on him in Wikipedia, if he is notable then you are free to create article on him, if they have received significant coverage in reliable secondary sources that are independent of the subject or you can create a draft on it. May be Article for creation, Your first article, relaible sources, and Notability helps you. Cheers and Happy editing. Fade258 (talk) 11:55, 14 May 2022 (UTC)
 * But the lack of any information that i can find besides that article, and the lack of sites that have that picture (despite TinEye saying they have) makes me doubt not only whether he is notable, but also whether the story is genuine. Exceptional claims require exceptional sources, so you will need some very solid reliable sources to even think of writing about him. ColinFine (talk) 13:48, 14 May 2022 (UTC)

Offensive Labeling
Can anyone help correct the post on Sarah (Sally) Hemings, who bore several children now known to be Thomas Jefferson’s. Alone among the most common Web sites about her, Wikipedia calls her a “quadroon,” a dated and offensive label. 2601:18E:8201:B600:EC5A:7C00:20EF:7DC9 (talk) 13:09, 14 May 2022 (UTC)


 * The place to discuss this is Talk:Sally Hemings. If you can achieve a consensus to change it, it can be changed. ColinFine (talk) 13:51, 14 May 2022 (UTC)

Roman Catholic scholarship getting strangled
Is this normal? . . . There's this group of 3 editors who claim to have a consensus against me, that (by my characterization here:) I'm basically not allowed to use any Roman Catholic [RC] theological sources, even in an RC-specific article. Despite a week of conversation, they have, not just reworked, but totally rolled back all my edits over the last month ((1) here, (2) here, (3) here, & (4) here), #3 of which was made merely to satisfy them. In the meantime, Wikipedia, by its silence, thereby makes readers think that there is absolutely no basis for belief in the Immaculate Conception, before the Middle Ages, when this is radically not true, as my attempted (but removed) chart demonstrates. Against my Church Fathers [CFs] & medieval sources,. . . <ul><li> They say (&larr; Clickable) That anything before AD/CE 1900 is a primary, not secondary source, that WP articles should rely only on secondary sources, and that I can only include primary sources if I also include their definition of a secondary source. </li> <li> I reply that Secondary Sources can go back to CE/AD 300, according to these 2 sentences. . . <ul><li>"The book [written 150 years later] and the journal article [written only 2 years ago] are secondary sources."</li><li>"For example, the works of Thomas Aquinas are secondary sources for a Roman Catholic perspective on many topics, but are primary sources for Thomas Aquinas or Summa Theologica."</li></ul></li> <li> They say That those are just essays, not policies, and that their consensus carries more weight than an essay, so they can disregard those two essays. In so doing, they exclude 1500 years of Theological debates' arguments from inclusion within Wikipedia, and restrict articles to only statements from recent theological works, although 10 popes and an entire school of modern theology (the traditional RC one) eschews the new stuff as "Modernism", and holds that the older a source is, the more weighty it is, even, in the case of some CFs' statements, sometimes equal with scripture. Nevertheless. . . </li> <li> I grudgingly acquiesce by trying to add CFs' quotes, piecemeal, one at a time, including with each one a recent theological work, that cited and discussed that Church Father's quote.</li> <li> They say that my recent source is "biased", coming as it is from an ardently RC Theologian. In so doing, they suggest that including RC Theologians' statements in an article about an idea believed only by the RC Church is "not how WP works," and that, for balance, I should also go "find . . . [statements in the CFs] disproving" the Immaculate Conception, or else I'm committing either WP:OR, or "Confirmation bias". Really? . . . Isn't this just religious censorship? How on earth are we fulfilling the WP:RNPOV policy, which says, In the case of beliefs and practices, Wikipedia content should not only encompass what motivates individuals who hold these beliefs and practices but also account for how such beliefs and practices developed. Wikipedia articles on history and religion draw from religion's sacred texts and modern archaeological, historical, and scientific sources.

</li> </ul> Octavius2 (talk) 14:53, 12 May 2022 (UTC)


 * Hello @Octavius2 and welcome to the Teahouse. I see there's been a long discussion here. Wikipedia does indeed work by consensus, which seems to be against you. You could take the matter to WP:DR (dispute resolution), which is a long, formal process for hashing out complex disagreements. 199.208.172.35 (talk) 15:05, 12 May 2022 (UTC)
 * Yuk, no, not there, nor here. Try Reliable sources/Noticeboard, expressing the issue more succinctly. Johnbod (talk) 15:14, 12 May 2022 (UTC)
 * Yeah @Johnbod & @199.208.172.35, I already took it to the DRN, but it was closed as "out of scope." They suggested that I take it to the WP:RSN, as you said, Johnbod, but I didn't, as RSN seemed inactive, and a long shot, dealing only with modern news ("Perennial Sources").  But I'll try it there, since you suggest it, also. Octavius2 (talk) 15:19, 12 May 2022 (UTC)
 * Please stop your weird formatting of posts with pink/yellow and raw HTML markup, it makes your posts hard to read. You can use wiki markup to make bold, italics etc. but do it sparingly. Links appear in color in any reasonable browser (usually blue) and people know they are clickable.
 * I encourage you to read carefully Jdcompguy's post at DRN which is my opinion goes to the heart of the matter. The fact that certain (famous) theologians took certain positions is not proof that those positions were mainstream among the Church (whether the rank-and-file believers or the high clergy); you need a source independent of theologians to assert that. With that in mind, I do not think RSN (which is active) would help much.
 * On your talk page, you say it's not my job as a single editor to hunt for, or worry about such possible competing view; others can do that. I believe this is exactly where you have it wrong. You seem to think Wikipedia works as a disputation. For those unaware, a disputation is an adversarial system (somewhat resembling a modern court of law) where two persons defend conflicting views (based on scriptural authorities), and the hope is that truth emerges from the debate; the opponents do not even need to truly believe the position they defend, just to be able to adequately present the arguments for it. But Wikipedia is not an adversarial system aimed at discerning truth; it is a collaborative project aimed at documenting pre-existing knowledge. Wikipedia will never take position on whether (for instance) the doctrine of Immaculate Conception is correct or not, it will only document the history of that doctrine and position of various major Christian churches.
 * Ideally, you should edit in a way that nobody should correct you. In practice, that is hard; your own biases get in the way of writing a dispassionate summary, you tend to write more about subjects you know and care a lot about; but you should definitely try to minimize that tendency, not to amplify it and wait for the counterargument to come. Tigraan <span title="Send me a silicium letter!" style="color:">Click here for my talk page ("private" contact) 16:13, 12 May 2022 (UTC)
 * To JDCompguy's claim - Well, I disputed here and here JDCompguy's claim that my "sources do not make the assertion[s] themselves." JDCompguy wants explicit terminology, when, in reality, many of these terms overlap.  You wouldn't remove a Physics claim, just because it posted some other rearrangement, or subset of the equation used in its source, would you?  No, you'd import your background knowledge of basic algebra, and tolerate it. Well, that's how Theologians operate, too, to a degree: We understand that Lack of Original Sin implies (1a) Original Justice, (2a) Original Integrity, and (3a) Original Immortality.  We also understand that these will manifest respectively as (1b) Righteousness, (2b) ordered passions, and (3b) incorrupt bodies.  This is all introductory Theology101 background-knowledge. Therefore, if you can find ancient Christian sources that assert (1), (2), or (3), then that's evidence for Lack of Original Sin.  Therefore I added an entire heavily-footnoted section (&nwarr;that 1st link) and chart, like basic Algebra, to explicitly lay out the overlapping of these terms.  Of course, that was removed too, as supposedly WP:OR.
 * You're right: It shouldn't be about (I.) whether the Immaculate Conception is right or wrong; it should be about (II.) document[ing] the history of that doctrine and [the] position of various major Christian churches, especially the only one that believes in it; but it's actually about (III.) completely banning the 1500-year-old Catholic Patrimony, and theological program, from Wikipedia, because, supposedly, Church Fathers, and Doctors of the Church, aren't sufficiently cool-headed/mature/neutral/academic -enough to be counted as Wikipedia secondary sources, the way that, say, classical historiographers like Livy, Plutarch, or Josephus are. I think it's just secret double-standard bigotry, by everyone who is secretly adversarial to the Catholic church. Octavius2 (talk) 17:26, 12 May 2022 (UTC)
 * Please don't move this debate to the Teahouse, that is not the purpose of this space. Since DR has declined to handle things, continue either at the WikiProject, RSN or the talk page of the article(s) involved. 199.208.172.35 (talk) 17:34, 12 May 2022 (UTC)
 * You wouldn't remove a Physics claim, just because it posted some other rearrangement, or subset of the equation used in its source, would you? No, you'd import your background knowledge of basic algebra, and tolerate it. It depends on the rearrangement. Generally speaking, maths/physics articles on Wikipedia about somewhat-complex topics are very lacking in citations. They are also incomprehensible to non-mathematicians/physicians. That creates a feedback loop where only mathematicians/physicians can read and edit them because it’s hard to understand the jargon and the "equation rearrangements", and the jargon and calculations do not get fixed because those who can read the article can understand how to do the rearrangements and do not see the need to cite a textbook for "common knowledge" [that is, common to anyone with a PhD about a related topic]. I suppose that few of them contain original research and that most of it is actually textbook-level stuff, but there is no way for a random reader to know that. That is not a good thing and you should definitely not emulate that aspect of math/physics articles in theology articles.
 * Also, what would be appropriate for a math/physics article presenting the current view of the subject, might not be appropriate for an article presenting the history of the underlying ideas. Everyone knows today that heat is a form of energy, and therefore "heat" and "energy" can be used interchangeably in some contexts; but 250 years ago, people believed that heat was a form of matter, and substituting "heat" for "energy" in one’s (modern) interpretation of historical documents would be inappropriate.
 * it should be about ... document[ing] the history of that doctrine and [the] position of various major Christian churches, especially the only one that believes in it - nope. If significant theological currents have opined on the matter, even if that’s to dismiss it as entirely unfounded for some reason or another, they should be included. For instance, it would be hugely inappropriate to give less weight to the Orthodox view on Filioque "because it’s Catholics who believe in it". Of course, that does not mean you should include those who did not have any opinion on the subject - I would expect that few Hindu theologians have opined on matters of Christian theology. Tigraan <span title="Send me a silicium letter!" style="color:">Click here for my talk page ("private" contact) 09:15, 13 May 2022 (UTC)
 * I said nothing about the Orthodox' disbelieving view, which I'm happy to include.
 * I was merely saying that the Catholic view should be FULLY included. Agree?
 * And the Catholic view is not just that it is true, but that it's a dogma, i.e, something that the Catholic Church is claiming is "found in divine revelation," i.e, maximally old, as in, passed down either thru Scripture or the 12 Apostles. Therefore I want to include a section listing evidence for its oldness, but I haven't been permitted to do that. Octavius2 (talk) 15:06, 14 May 2022 (UTC)
 * I cannot say for the others, but you have grossly misrepresented some of my arguments. I did not wish to intervene, as it is your right to ask for fresh feedback on your editing from other people (even if you do so with hit piece headlines); but I really do not like to see my arguments being twisted the way you did. Veverve (talk) 01:13, 14 May 2022 (UTC)

Spacing issues
A Wikipedian left this message on my article about artist Reba Dickerson-Hill: "This article may require cleanup to meet Wikipedia's quality standards. The specific problem is: Spacing issues. (May 2022)." I'm new to wikipedia and have written at least a dozen other articles. I'm not sure what that means nor how to correct it. Could use some guidance. Thanks. Sherryleehoward (talk) 15:28, 14 May 2022 (UTC)
 * Welcome to the Teahouse, . It was an IP editor who added that template, so it is difficult to reach out to them to ask why. Looking at the article Reba Dickerson-Hill, my suggestion is that the IP editor didn't like all these short sentences which could be redone as longer paragraphs. My only other comment is that you have WP:OVERKILL in a couple of places. Well done for creating an interesting article: have you thought of taking something out of it for WP:DYK so it can be linked on the front page and get lots of views? Mike Turnbull (talk) 15:43, 14 May 2022 (UTC)
 * The bad news may be that you uploaded to Commons a picture that I doubt is your "own work" (i.e. you took the photo with your own camera). As Dickerson-Hill is dead, you could normally take such a picture from a website but it has to be uploaded only to English Wikipedia as fair-use (see WP:FAIRUSE) and meet all the conditions mentioned. Mike Turnbull (talk) 15:48, 14 May 2022 (UTC)
 * It's a photo from her son, which she paid a photographer to shoot (he didn't do a great job of it). Son gave me permission to use it for wikipedia knowing that it becomes common use. The artwork belongs to another son, also got permission to use it. The print is on the web because it has come up several times at auction. Sherryleehoward (talk) 15:56, 14 May 2022 (UTC)
 * Thanks, Mike. That helps tremendously. I'll spread out the citations so they're not bunched at the end. I tend to write in short sentence because I think long complicated ones are unwieldy for the reader. I'll use full paragraphs rather than short ones. Not sure what you mean by taking something out of it for Did you know? How does that work? I have done articles on several neat artists & would love to get them noticed.  Sherryleehoward (talk) 15:50, 14 May 2022 (UTC)
 * I'm afraid that you can't claim "own work" for something that isn't yours . The copyright of the photo will (usually) be that of the photographer, not the son, and the resolution on Commons is so low that I doubt that the son had the original .jpg. I'm unclear what should happen to sort things out but others may comment. Click on the Did You Know link (or look at today's Main Page) to find out more about that. Mike Turnbull (talk) 16:01, 14 May 2022 (UTC)
 * OK. Will sort out the photo. Thanks. Sherryleehoward (talk) 16:07, 14 May 2022 (UTC)
 * Hi @Sherryleehoward: there's nothing spacing-related that jumps at me, but when I looked at the version when that tag was placed, there were several instances of spaces between punctuation and reference. However, those seem to have been since sorted out, so I wouldn't worry about it. I've removed the tag now. -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 15:49, 14 May 2022 (UTC)
 * Thanks, DoubleGrazing. You folks have been so helpful. Sherryleehoward (talk) 15:51, 14 May 2022 (UTC)

Removing a page section
Hello! I'm currently editing Curie (microarchitecture), and it seems to me like the "Chips" section is extremely redundant, as the info from there is duplicated in the "GPU list" section (in fact it's even more detailed). Would removing this section as redundant run afoul of any WP rules? -- akmLaVx (t/c) 17:03, 14 May 2022 (UTC)
 * Hi Like in most editing, it is encouraged that people be WP:BOLD with changes, being ready to work towards a consensus on the Talk Page of the article if anyone reverts/otherwise objects. More details at WP:BRD. Mike Turnbull (talk) 17:21, 14 May 2022 (UTC)
 * Thank you! -- akmLaVx (t/c) 17:37, 14 May 2022 (UTC)

Making note of guidance by Associated Press on usage of word "internment"
The Associated Press sent a Style Note for May 2022 guiding writers to use the words "detained" or "incarcerated" rather than "interned" and to describe the larger event as "the incarceration of Japanese Americans". My question is where is the appropriate placement of a graf on this matter, specifically, on /internment_of_Japanese_Americans.

It would appear that wording would be handled as a Style Guideline.

Thank you in advance. CaptainHuggyface (talk) 18:31, 14 May 2022 (UTC)
 * Hello, . This new development could be added to the section Internment of Japanese Americans where these issues are already discussed at length. Cullen328 (talk) 18:41, 14 May 2022 (UTC)
 * Thank you @Cullen328. I should have reviewed the page more closely. CaptainHuggyface (talk) 19:03, 14 May 2022 (UTC)

Help in creating Wikipedia Article for organization
Hello all,

I work at the History of Diving Museum in Islamorada, Florida and was seeking assistance on the creation of a Wikipedia page for us. I know very little about editing but did see a note that employees should refrain from creating pages for their employer. I do however have lots of sources, information, and photos. Would it be possible to have help with this? I think we would fit in nicely for this category: Category:Maritime museums in Florida

Thank you for reading! Historyofdivingmuseum (talk) 15:03, 13 May 2022 (UTC)
 * Hello and welcome to Wikipedia and The Teahouse!  One possibility is that you can create a draft article through the Articles for creation.  That is an optional service that allows users to create a draft and get feedback on it before it "goes live" on Wikipedia.  Specifically, the AFC process, while optional for most users, is mandatory for users with a conflict of interest such as yourself.  You can start it there.  A couple of things to consider: 1) The AFC process is backlogged, and it can take some weeks or months for your article to be reviewed.  2) Reviews tend to be rather cursory and may tell you what is wrong, but not often how to fix it, nor will reviewers do any of the work of fixing the article (usually).  Just be aware that the process can sometimes be frustrating to new users.  3) In general, topics are accepted as articles based primarily on how much independent reliable source text exists on the topic.  This can often be something that is out of your control as a writer.  While articles may also be rejected (and often are) for being written in an inappropriate tone, in my experience, the biggest problem is just that Wikipedia's standards of inclusion simply don't make allowances for any article on said topic.  I have no idea if your museum is in this situation or not, but it is probably the most daunting hurdle to get over, and not one that even the best writer can overcome.  If you're certain you have independent and reliable source material, if you can keep your writing neutral and of the correct tone, and if you can cite your sources so that the content is verifiable, then the AFC process is just what you want to use.  You should also read Help:Your first article which covers some of the common pitfalls of writing articles.  Also, as a side note, you may also want to head over to Changing username and request that your account be renamed.  Personal names and nicknames are acceptable usernames, but per Username policy, "Usernames that are simply names of companies or groups are not permitted" because they imply that the account is being used in an official capacity by the group, and group accounts are not allowed.  You can change your username to something else, and that will be fine.  -- Jayron <b style="color:#090">32</b> 15:17, 13 May 2022 (UTC)
 * Thank you for the reply. There are a lot of articles from sources(magazines, newspapers) besides the Museum so I don't believe sources will be an issue. I will take care that the process you mentioned is followed and hope the page can be up.
 * As an aside, I was not requested to write the article for any promotional purposes but just think it would be of benefit to have some of the educational resources available to a wider, non-local audience.
 * Thank you again! Divingenthusiast2005 (talk) 16:29, 13 May 2022 (UTC)
 * (ec) Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. I would point out that Wikipedia article are not for the topic, but about the topic. Wikipedia is not concerned with any benefits to an organization related to the presence (or not) of an article about it on Wikipedia.  Our only interest is in writing this encyclopedia.  Any article about an organization must summarize what independent reliable sources with significant coverage have chosen on their own- not based on materials from the organization like interviews, press releases, announcements- to say about the organization, showing how it meets the special Wikipedia definition of a notable organization.  Not every organization merits an article, even within the same field.
 * You can make a request for the creation of an article at Requested Articles, but it is so severely backlogged that any request may not be acted on, if ever. If you have appropriate sources from reliable sources that chose on their own to write about your museum, it is possible for you to submit a draft article for an independent review at Articles for Creation.  I would advise against that; the best indicator that a subject merits an article is when an independent editor organically takes note of a topic receiving significant coverage and chooses on their own to write about it.  Trying to force the issue isn't usually successful.
 * You will need to declare as a paid editor, please see WP:PAID. 331dot (talk) 15:22, 13 May 2022 (UTC)


 * (ec × 3) First of all, you should see the Username policy to see why your chosen user name is not appropriate here, and follow the hint in WP:UNC section to change it. Next, you need to understand you can create a Wikipedia article about you, but you can't create a Wikipedia page for you (either you personally, your organization, your community etc.). Wikipedia is an encyclopedia (see  Wikipedia:What is Wikipedia), not a social media (see What Wikipedia is not). Specifically, Wikipedia is not means of promotion, so its articles are meant to serve readers, not subjects. This is what I try to distinguish by opposing 'about' to 'for'. And I suppose most of what  wrote above follows from this. --CiaPan (talk) 15:37, 13 May 2022 (UTC)
 * Thank you for the information.+ username changed!
 * I am not concerned with promotion as much as I think it would be of benefit to readers to have some of the educational resources available here(artifacts, history, etc.) available without having to visit in person. I think it is worth an article especially as there are smaller maritime museums with their own.
 * Cheers! Divingenthusiast2005 (talk) 16:33, 13 May 2022 (UTC)
 * @Divingenthusiast2005, I'm assuming your museum has a lot of cool diving-related exhibits. If you could take photographs of those exhibits and upload them to Commons (under an appropriate license), they might be useful in illustrating diving-related articles. It's probably a quicker (and easier) way of getting the museum's information out there than writing an article on the museum itself, though of course you're welcome to do that too. 199.208.172.35 (talk) 16:37, 13 May 2022 (UTC)
 * That's a great idea, I definitely want to edit other diving-related articles with additional information/histories provided by artifacts here, but when sourcing the photos as "x artifact on display at x museum" I feel it would be of benefit to have that page to link to. Divingenthusiast2005 (talk) 16:39, 13 May 2022 (UTC)
 * From a quick online search, sadly I doubt that your museum is truly notable (but of course you might have found more sources than I did). Also, a smaller museums having a Wikipedia entry doesn't mean your museum needs to have one as well (as explained in Other stuff exists). However, I added a section to the Islamorada, Florida article which mentions the museum – such a mention has a lower bar to pass than a standalone article. Once you've uploaded pictures, one could be added there :) --LordPeterII (talk) 18:36, 13 May 2022 (UTC)
 * Thank you for your reply. There are many sources that mention us, but online ones tend to be local. I am certain we have national-level articles, but they are typically in journals about SCUBA and diving history(so pretty niche, and not always available online). I will have to do some digging in our physical archives.
 * As for pictures, I put together this IMGUR album to start the process. What would be the process of posting them here? https://imgur.com/a/TGmo5lm Please feel free to use them, and thank you for adding to the Islamorada article! I really appreciate that. Divingenthusiast2005 (talk) 19:51, 13 May 2022 (UTC)
 * Per your concern that journals about SCUBA and diving history aren't available online. You can still cite the journals -- giving author, article title, journal title, issue date and page numbers for the article -- even if it isn't online. If the periodical is considered reliable it doesn't have to be readily available to be a good reference. Best wishes on your Wikipedia project. Karenthewriter (talk) 04:05, 14 May 2022 (UTC)
 * Thank you! Divingenthusiast2005 (talk) 22:23, 14 May 2022 (UTC)
 * Oh, but if a picture of the museum itself is needed, would this work? https://imgur.com/a/EhGMUX7 Divingenthusiast2005 (talk) 19:54, 13 May 2022 (UTC)
 * @Divingenthusiast2005, assuming you took the photos yourself, the easiest way to upload them is to go here and follow the instructions. 199.208.172.35 (talk) 20:29, 13 May 2022 (UTC)
 * Done! Thank you for the info; https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:History_of_Diving_Museum.png Divingenthusiast2005 (talk) 20:36, 13 May 2022 (UTC)
 * You can upload the same to Commons, now that there's none visible elsewhere. One thing I noticed on the entrance pic is that there is no EXIF info - suggesting it's been uploaded from a non-original source. This is the sort of thing the Commons volunteers will look for. Apologies it's so involved.--Rocknrollmancer (talk) 21:12, 13 May 2022 (UTC)
 * You might want to crop the image yourself, too, @Divingenthusiast2005, so it's a bit more square and less landscape-y, they fit better in articles that way (see the "opening shot" at Louvre for instance). 199.208.172.35 (talk) 21:23, 13 May 2022 (UTC)
 * That's no problem, thank you for the advice. I'm turning in for the evening but for sure can upload a new picture and crop/arrange it accordingly tomorrow. Divingenthusiast2005 (talk) 21:26, 13 May 2022 (UTC)

(EC - again - notwithstanding the above message...) - I am not a Teahouser, but occasionally I look at selected posts. Please be aware at an early stage that Wikipe/media can only accept (as a repository) and use ('publish') images that are annotated to be copyright-free. That normally means not published elsewhere where there is no licence visible - copyright is assumed. I can't see any such info at Imgur, and I'm unfamiliar with it, but it's swamping me with adverts (too visitor-unfriendly - I couldn't easily scroll to the bottom). Thanks.--Rocknrollmancer (talk) 20:34, 13 May 2022 (UTC)


 * Sorry about that. All images uploaded were photos I took myself of the museum interior and artifacts therein, so I am assuming they would be alright to upload. Divingenthusiast2005 (talk) 20:37, 13 May 2022 (UTC)
 * Yes, it's complicated. Re-used (that is already published) images can only be hosted here (for anyone to re-use) when there is a specific release. The photographer normally 'owns' the copyright still, but releases usage to others, with specific conditions of attribution. You could take similar-but-noticeably different for use on WP.--Rocknrollmancer (talk) 20:40, 13 May 2022 (UTC)
 * I'm not familiar with imgur either; there might be a way for an account holder to give their uploaded pictures an appropriate license, compatible with Commons. 199.208.172.35 (talk) 20:48, 13 May 2022 (UTC)
 * The easiest thing to do is to delete the main entrance pic from Imgur, then do as I suggested by uploading similar, not the same to Wikimedia Commons. Or delete all from Imgur, now that it's in the open. Just to confirm, Wikimedia Commons is entirely separate to English-language Wikipedia.--Rocknrollmancer (talk) 21:00, 13 May 2022 (UTC)
 * Done, they have been deleted. I will go through the process of uploading new images as I am sure many artifacts can be used for diving history related articles. Divingenthusiast2005 (talk) 21:01, 13 May 2022 (UTC)
 * Apologies again - the reply is sited above - Duhhh, page is jumping around.--Rocknrollmancer (talk) 21:14, 13 May 2022 (UTC)

History of Diving Museum now in mainspace. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 19:25, 14 May 2022 (UTC)

a question
Would it be ethical to count editing as volunteering hours at my school? ￼ Ickydog23 (talk) 06:04, 14 May 2022 (UTC)


 * Hello, @Ickydog23, and welcome to the Teahouse! This is the sort of question you should probably ask your school. If your school needs help deciding if it is ok to count Wikipedia editing as volunteering, maybe point them this way. Happy editing! HenryTemplo (talk) 07:41, 14 May 2022 (UTC)
 * It's also very difficult to determine how many hours someone spent edit-warring on 2022 Russian invasion of Ukraine... Sungodtemple (talk) 23:55, 14 May 2022 (UTC)

Follow-up to Is there a policy on the systematic removal of history and talk?
I apologize for not responding more quickly. I was dealing with a positive test for covid.

The situation:

Private equity firm Vista Equity Partners has been in business 20 years and reports $90 billion in assets. It has acquired major companies in education, health, and other fields. The issue is the web pages of its education acquisitions.

Its founder (and chairman and CEO) has been very visible. He and VEP have Wikipedia pages, although their Wikipedia history pages go back only to early 2021 and have virtually no Talk beyond someone (not me) noting it is strange to have so little about such a prominent person, and a suggestion that a huge tax evasion case (resolved with a $100M fine) be made more prominent.

Among the major acquisitions are PowerSchool (the leading K-12 Student Information System vendor), which itself acquired Naviance (the leading student career guidance site) and Schoology (a major Learning Management System), Ellucian (leading higher education student information system) and others. These companies had long histories, some spun off by or formed as mergers of other established companies.

Wikipedia has no entries for most of these, or entries that have no history or talk pages and cover almost none of the historical record, and not even mentioning the acquisition.

For example, PowerSchool, a major company, has no page, but does show up in Wikipedia under the publisher Pearson, which bought it from Apple and sold it to Vista in 2015. Ellucian has no page, but you can find it mentioned in pages of the companies that merged to form it in 2012. Schoology has a page, but it only covers years before 2015, has no Talk page, its history changes page only goes back to December 2021. Other education acquisitions (EAB, Schoox) are similar.

I saw in one of the talk threads mention of checking the rules on "mass systematic deletion" of talk pages, but I am not sure what happened here. I did not spend time on these sites before. But I've never seen a hole like this around extremely well-known organizations and products. If it can be checked out that would be great. I have not looked into the status of health tech and other acquired firms. Jgrudin (talk) 02:38, 15 May 2022 (UTC)


 * Providing some links: Vista Equity Partners, Robert F. Smith (investor), PowerSchool (a redirect to Pearson Education), Naviance, Schoology. Nothing very peculiar stands out to me, but maybe someone else will want to take a closer look. 97.113.167.129 (talk) 03:39, 15 May 2022 (UTC)
 * Hello, . I have taken a look at the edit histories of several of the articles that you are alluding to, and see no evidence of "systematic removal of history and talk" in recent years. Can you provide diffs of specific edits, or at the very least, a specific assertion that specific article X was inappropriately edited on a specific specified date at a specific specified time? Without such specific information, it is very difficult for Teahouse hosts to investigate your claims. Cullen328 (talk) 05:37, 15 May 2022 (UTC)

How to add those "This user is" boxes to my user page?
I see many peoples pages having "this user is a *insert thing here* do-er. " or "This user supports *insert thing here*"

How can I do it? Is it hard to do it? Can only certain people do it? Smotoe (talk) 14:50, 12 May 2022 (UTC)


 * @Smotoe, see Userboxes. <span style="font-family:Segoe print; color:#FF8C00; text-shadow:skyblue 0.5em 0.5em 0.5em; font-weight:bold">Kpddg  (talk)  14:51, 12 May 2022 (UTC)
 * Hi,, and welcome to the Teahouse! Anyone who would like to can add a userbox to their userpage. You just have to copy and paste the relevant code into your userpage. For instance, putting on your userpage produces the userbox that says a person is a native speaker of the English language. If you see a userbox you like, you can just copy the code for it to your userpage. Happy editing! Perfect4th (talk) 14:53, 12 May 2022 (UTC)
 * Thank you! Smotoe (talk) 14:55, 12 May 2022 (UTC)
 * @Perfect4th Is there a "generic" userbox template that takes a parameter for *insert thing here*, or does each thing you want to say require its own userbox to be created?  From that page, it looks like each variation needs to be created separately.   As a computer programmer,  that just seems inefficient to me. 73.127.147.187 (talk) 06:33, 13 May 2022 (UTC)
 * Hi, IP user! As far as I'm aware, in general separate users have to be created seperately. The exceptions are those with numbered variants (such as those listed here) and those which use piped variables. These are a little more flexible; here's an example of one that accepts any input in its variable. It is also technically possible, I believe, to specify what the input will display.  I made this talk page message for fun for the World Cup; parameters  and  accept FIFA codes that display their respective country's flag. Similar principles can be applied to userboxes. Perfect4th (talk) 13:50, 13 May 2022 (UTC)
 * @Perfect4th I see that example with the numbered parameters.  If the static text said "This user", and the template had a parm, that would seem to take a lot of work out of using userboxes.  Or, there could be no static text, and just a parm.  Although, could that lead to "unacceptable" or out-of-policy userboxes? 73.127.147.187 (talk) 06:20, 14 May 2022 (UTC)
 * As far as I'm aware, a userbox with the text "This user " would be fine. Figuring out how to vary the color/image would take a little more work with a couple more parameters, but I know of no reason it wouldn't be possible. Perfect4th (talk) 13:09, 14 May 2022 (UTC)
 * Who needs colors and images? (just kidding) 73.127.147.187 (talk) 06:46, 15 May 2022 (UTC)

what to do about my xylaria hypoxilon discoveries
Hello!This is Lark99,a newer editor also known as Sageost on Inaturalist. I am editing on wikipedia to bring my findings that i have named from the complex. I use my findings from identifications to name species vars. I am having a hard time siting my sources because my blog is apparently not a reliable source. what should i do? Lark999 (talk) 21:16, 14 May 2022 (UTC)


 * I would recommend finding a scientific journal that may publish your findings. Wikipedia is not the place to record or write about your findings or original research. McMatter (talk)/(contrib) 21:21, 14 May 2022 (UTC)
 * @Lark999 Right, if you can't find reliable, published sources that are independent of you, then Wikipedia can't have an article about your findings. It sounds like "your findings" are your original research (see WP:OR), and original research is not allowed on Wikipedia. 73.127.147.187 (talk) 07:04, 15 May 2022 (UTC)

Verifying biographical content provided by the subject of an article
Genuinely puzzled and would appreciate advice. I made a small edit to a celebrity's self-reported biographical details to reflect that they are unverified. It has been reverted by a more experienced editor. I've raised it in Talk [see last item on Talk Page here https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Lewis_Hamilton] but will not change back as I think that would amount to edit warring. I'm happy to learn from being told I'm wrong, but it seems obvious to me that if claimed biographical data and backstories relevant to image-making are accepted at face value without verification, this will lead to immense amounts of nonsense in Wikipedia articles as insterted there by PRs via simply getting the celebrity to utter the words. A sensible way to report autobiography or comments in interviews seems to me to be to use the format; "x says"? Emmentalist (talk) 13:42, 14 May 2022 (UTC)
 * Hello, . I suggest that you read WP:INTERVIEW which says In this case, the person is indisputably notable, highly successful and widely honored, and the article is exceptionally well referenced. I am not aware of any credible accusations that he is a liar. Writing something like "Hamiliton says that he started studying karate at age 5" creates doubt where that is unwarranted. Cullen328 (talk) 17:56, 14 May 2022 (UTC)
 * Thanks, @Cullen328, can I just check that you read the article? It's behind a paywall. Perhaps you're a Telegraph subscriber? Davies, Gareth A (5 July 2007). "A salute to the real Lewis Hamilton". The Daily Telegraph. London. Archived from the original on 10 January 2022. All the best, Emmentalist (talk) 07:19, 15 May 2022 (UTC)

Strange article and editor
The article Howie Weinberg is in my opinion seemingly not up to Wikipedia's standard, and one editor's contributions are only to this article. They removed the template I added for cleanup. I'm not really sure how to proceed after this, or if I even want to, but I'd really appreciate any advice. Ștefan Tărâță (talk) 18:56, 14 May 2022 (UTC)
 * Stefan Tărâță, if the article doesn't meet WP:GNG, you can WP:PROD it or WP:AFD it. If it just needs cleanup then do it.Sungodtemple (talk) 23:49, 14 May 2022 (UTC)
 * How many of those impressive links actually mention the subject of the article ? Doug butler (talk) 03:10, 15 May 2022 (UTC)
 * ...or addresses the question? Shantavira|feed me 08:16, 15 May 2022 (UTC)

URL Access Level - Registration, Subscription or Limited?
If you have to pay to view a URL in full, is that classed as Registration, Subscription or Limited?

I suspect the answer is Subscription, however I don't know what it means by Limited so it could also be that. Danstarr69 (talk) 07:44, 15 May 2022 (UTC)
 * Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. It would help to know specifically what you are referencing; are you attempting to edit an article? 331dot (talk) 07:57, 15 May 2022 (UTC)
 * I'm correcting a "news" reference which someone has added incorrectly (along with other things on a stub article with just 2 references), so that it appears under references, rather than by itself.
 * I'm also adding a link to Newspapers.com to that reference, along with an archive link.
 * You have to pay for a subscription to view articles there, so I want to know whether I should list the "URL Access Level" for that link as Registration, Subscription or Limited. Danstarr69 (talk) 08:21, 15 May 2022 (UTC)
 * Hi . I checked on what other editors had done by searching for "newspapers.com" in the Wikipedia search box. I quickly found List of WBA world champions which has lots of these sort of references. They use Subscription=paid=red padlock, which seems correct to me when I click the link to that website. Mike Turnbull (talk) 12:28, 15 May 2022 (UTC)
 * Michael D. Turnbull Any idea what "Limited" means? Danstarr69 (talk) 12:58, 15 May 2022 (UTC)
 * I assume (but I've not checked the Help pages) that it is for sites which allow readers a limited number of views without payment. The UK Times website is like that see this link for how that works. So on that site I can do three searches/reads a week, I think. Mike Turnbull (talk) 13:08, 15 May 2022 (UTC)

Anybody else working on this?
Dear Experienced People,

I see we don't have Wikipedia biographies of either Gerlin Bean or Mavis Best, UK black women activists. I am happy to start working on one or two of these. How do I find out if anyone else has started on them? Wouldn't want to get in the way or duplicate. Balance person (talk) 10:16, 15 May 2022 (UTC)
 * Hi Balance person it does not appear that anyone is working on either. How do you find out? put the name in quotes in the searchbox, click "search for pages containing" then change the "search in" to "all" and re-search - there are 5 entries for each person (one of which is your question) - none are in draft articles or user sandboxes - someone could be working on it "off-wiki" but we have no way of ever knowing that - best wishes - Arjayay (talk) 10:30, 15 May 2022 (UTC)
 * Thank you for your very helpful reply! I will have a go then. Balance person (talk) 10:35, 15 May 2022 (UTC)
 * e/c Hi,, welcome to the Teahouse. You can search drafts by putting Draft: in front of the name of the subject, so in this case putting Draft:Gerlin Bean etc in the search bar, but it's not as thorough as Arjayay's method so i would recommend you use that instead. Make sure to check the article subject against notability criteria before you start, from a quick look Gerlin Bean might have more sources to reference. Regards, Zindor (talk) 10:34, 15 May 2022 (UTC)
 * Will do, thank you Zindor for your suggestion. Balance person (talk) 10:37, 15 May 2022 (UTC)
 * If you're not already aware, I'd recommend WikiProject Women in Red, . Cordless Larry (talk) 12:00, 15 May 2022 (UTC)
 * Oh, I see you're already a member. I should have looked at your user page before making that suggestion! Cordless Larry (talk) 12:01, 15 May 2022 (UTC)
 * Ha HA! Sort of thing I do all the time, Larry! Thanks! Balance person (talk) 14:09, 15 May 2022 (UTC)

How do I Inline link an image from an external website to my Sandbox?
I would like to link an image from Flickr to my sandbox but cannot figure out how to. I had previously uploaded the image to Wiki Commons but it broke the guidelines and so was nominated for deletion. I'm now trying to Inline link the image from Flickr to my sandbox but it is not working.

I am using this code: <img src="http://www.example.com/picture.jpg" /> but the problem is that Flickr does not include the image name in the link followed by .jpg. The link is in this format: https://flic.kr/0xxxxXx with no /picture.jpg at the end.

Google Photos does the same thing, as does Imgur, ImbBB and I assume every other image host website. I also tried embedding the image and using BBCode but nothing worked. I either get error messages or a useless stringS of text. Is there a way to do this?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inline_linking#Inline_linking_and_HTTP Old Hoar&#39;s Frost (talk) 21:58, 14 May 2022 (UTC)
 * Hi, . I'm assuming the image is this. Is there a particularly good reason for displaying it in your sandbox? Kind regards, Zindor (talk) 23:04, 14 May 2022 (UTC)
 * - Discussion also on user talk. Zindor (talk) 00:16, 15 May 2022 (UTC)
 * Hi,, just for reference--loading external images inline is not allowed anywhere on Wikipedia, and tags do not work in wikitext. This is for security reasons. To insert an image inline, it must be uploaded either to the English Wikipedia itself or to Wikimedia Commons, and then linked to using the  syntax. Writ Keeper &#9863;&#9812; 01:15, 15 May 2022 (UTC)
 * I understand. I won't attempt to link anything further. Thanks for letting me know. Old Hoar&#39;s Frost (talk) 03:41, 15 May 2022 (UTC)
 * I suspect that the restriction on image hotlinking is to prevent people from doing something like
 * I.hate.spam.mail.here (talk | contributions) 04:25, 15 May 2022 (UTC)
 * This specific instance wouldn't work anyway, because logging a user out requires a POST request. However, to my knowlege, there are three main reasons why inlining images is not possible: 1) copyright: Not all external sites are compatibility licensed. Allowing inline hotlinking would lead to a mess copyright-wise, as it is difficult to prevent people from hotlinking copyrighted images. 2) It could be abused, as above, to attack any site which doesn't poperly secure their non-idempotent GET methods (this is a type of persistent XSS attack). It doesn't work on Wikipedia because all state-modifying requests ar either required to be POST requests when they should do anything, or (in case of  Don't work without passing an inherently context-dependent rollback token. 3) Wikipedia gets a lot of visits per second (if you want to trust www.wikimediastatus.net up to 150k requests / second, divided amongt all foundation Wikis). Allowing inline hotlining with such a high viewer rate means that Wikipedia could be directly responsible for crashing other site's servers, or at least overloading them, mainly when they can't handle the resulting request volume. Victor Schmidt (talk) 05:07, 15 May 2022 (UTC)
 * None of those are the security issue I was referring to, on which I will not be elaborating for obvious reasons. Writ Keeper &#9863;&#9812; 06:33, 15 May 2022 (UTC)
 * Idempotent is the best new word I've learned in a long time. 97.113.167.129 (talk) 14:47, 15 May 2022 (UTC)

Better skin back
I clicked today: "Try out Wikipedia's new skin". It promised a lot of improvements. Not good. Seems to be for mini-screens. Since this is an experiment, according to the ad, how do I get back the better "skin" ? Jari Rauma (talk) 14:47, 15 May 2022 (UTC)


 * Hello, @Jari Rauma, and welcome to the Teahouse! If you go to the "appearance" section of your preferences (should be on the top-right of your display), you should be able to change your Wikipedia skin back to the default. Have a good day! HenryTemplo (talk) 15:11, 15 May 2022 (UTC)
 * hi @Jari Rauma and welcome to the teahouse! you can switch back to the previous skin by going to Preferences > Appearance > Skins > Vector legacy (2010). happy editing! &#128156; melecie   talk  - 15:11, 15 May 2022 (UTC)
 * Thank you for the answer. I found it myself also from Google. It took 20 minutes. There is an error in the wiki's instructions at this point. There it is said to look for the point "skin", but there was no word "skin". This is how foreigners are misled when you are not precise. For the new 2022 skin: I prefer Wikiwand and 2010 skin. Jari Rauma (talk) 15:25, 15 May 2022 (UTC)

Ongoing News Event: Casey White & Vicky White
Hi, I was wondering if the recent ongoing event of prison escape by criminal and maximum security prisoner Casey White, in which he's been helped by a corrections officer named Vicky White (no relation) would be considered notable enough for a Wikipedia entry? The event has been widely covered by national and international news and thus far the pair have evaded being captured (in itself atypical), but at what point does that cross over to being considered notable by wiki standards?

Additionally, I assume if the answer is yes, the article would have to be about this event itself rather than either one of the people involved (tho Casey White was the perpetrator of a 2015 interstate crime spree and convicted of murder in 2022). What are the best practices and naming/titling conventions for something like that?

Coverage: NYTimes, CNN, Newsweek, CBS (national) — Preceding unsigned comment added by SleepyWhippet (talk • contribs) 02:09, 8 May 2022 (UTC)

SleepyWhippet (talk) 02:02, 8 May 2022 (UTC)


 * Not something I've been following, but yes, if this does meet the notability criteria at NCRIME, the article should be about the event, not the people (see CRIME)). ClaudineChionh (talk – contribs) 02:15, 8 May 2022 (UTC)
 * Thanks, what would a possible title be for the potential wiki Article? SleepyWhippet (talk) 03:06, 8 May 2022 (UTC)
 * @SleepyWhippet As of now, a possible title could be "tragedy all around". Sigh... 73.127.147.187 (talk) 05:36, 10 May 2022 (UTC)
 * @I hear you.., very disturbing and sad. SleepyWhippet (talk) 13:17, 10 May 2022 (UTC)
 * Maybe start with “Prison escape of Casey White” and if someone thinks up a better title we can move it. Speatle  ( talk to me ) please ping me when replying to something I said . 15:34, 13 May 2022 (UTC)
 * Or we could have an article about C. White, due to his "interstate crime spree", and include a section on the jailbreak? DS (talk) 17:31, 13 May 2022 (UTC)
 * That works too. Speatle  ( talk to me ) please ping me when replying to something I said . 19:24, 15 May 2022 (UTC)

Oritae -- random line breaks
Does anyone know why some of the lines here seem to break randomly? For example: "Their territory appears to have ..." -- The line breaks just breaks there, even though there's plenty of space left. Thanks, 𝕱𝖎𝖈𝖆𝖎𝖆 (talk) 04:09, 15 May 2022 (UTC)


 * @Ficaia: Yep, it's also breaking for me. I think it is all of the non-breaking spaces:
 * I removed the zero width spaces and it seems to be fine now. I.hate.spam.mail.here (talk | contributions) 04:18, 15 May 2022 (UTC)
 * And also, for posterity, the randomly breaking version is here. I.hate.spam.mail.here (talk | contributions) 04:20, 15 May 2022 (UTC)
 * Weird. Why would someone go to the trouble of inserting all of these non-breaking spaces?   Hmmm.... 73.127.147.187 (talk) 07:07, 15 May 2022 (UTC)
 * I'd assume there was a glitch when copy+pasting from a word processing program. 97.113.167.129 (talk) 14:21, 15 May 2022 (UTC)
 * The editor is kinda weird. In the 2017 wikitext editor, they look like normal spaces to me. But when using wikEd, all the  appear. I.hate.spam.mail.here (talk | contributions) 20:29, 15 May 2022 (UTC)
 * The editor is kinda weird. In the 2017 wikitext editor, they look like normal spaces to me. But when using wikEd, all the  appear. I.hate.spam.mail.here (talk | contributions) 20:29, 15 May 2022 (UTC)

Please help me improve my first Article that got deleted
I have re-created the Article and moved it into Draft. The link is https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Bavincis

Please help me in improving it and ultimately in publishing. Thanks Sabra143 (talk) 21:07, 15 May 2022 (UTC)


 * Hello, Sabra143, and welcome to the Teahouse. Your first attempt was deleted as unambiguous advertising, and that looks likely to happen to your new draft as well unless you fundamentally rewrite it. To take just one example, The goods are made using cutting-edge technology and provide a carefully curated collection of trend-setting styles is pure advertising copy, and doesn't belong in an encyclopaedia. Remember that Wikipedia is not interested in what the subject of an article says or wants to say about themselves, or what their associates say about them. Wikipedia is only interested in what people who have no connection with the subject, and who have not been prompted or fed information on behalf of the subject, have chosen to publish about the subject in reliable sources. Has an independent source (somebody completely unconnected with Bavincis) used these words about them? If so, then the article could explicitly quote them. But such evaluative language should never appear in Wikipedia's voice. ColinFine (talk) 21:58, 15 May 2022 (UTC)

Userpage/userbox help
So I saw someone's userboxes and I thought they were really cool, so I made my own. I did that and with both the visual editor and the source editor my userpage looked fine, but when I published the changes it looked really weird. Could somebody help me fix it? My userpage is here. Jabin127 (talk) 21:10, 13 May 2022 (UTC)


 * Jabin127, it looks slightly unusual, that's all. Don't worry about it; just improve some articles. (Until you do, nobody will be interested in your likes, affiliations, experiences, etc.) -- Hoary (talk) 22:08, 13 May 2022 (UTC)
 * Nonetheless, i've made the markup a bit stricter., is that  tag part of your signature? You don't need it there and it'll end up as lint. While HTML does generally work here, the mediawiki software will for the most part handle line breaks and spacing without need to define it yourself. Kind regards, Zindor (talk) 23:54, 13 May 2022 (UTC)
 * Thank you! Jabin127 (talk) 23:13, 15 May 2022 (UTC)

New Article, is being considered for deletion, have updated GNG sources but unsure how to contact editor who proposed deletion
I posted a new article Unicorn DAO, but it was flagged for deletion. The editor who proposed said some of the sources didn't pass GNG, so I removed them and included the following - TIME, CNN, Guardian.

There was also ref to Coin Telegraph a crypto news source, I'm not sure if this would count as GNG (is there a list somewhere?)

Anyways, I have updated sources and refs, but don't know how to reply / flag the editor in question. I submitted to the deletion discussion page some updates and included their user tag.

I understand there is quality control to sources, so want to make sure they are significant. Pathofkarma (talk) 23:14, 15 May 2022 (UTC)

Also wondering how you cite reports that are paywalled like ArtTactic. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Pathofkarma (talk • contribs) 23:17, 15 May 2022 (UTC)


 * , I haven't looked at either the article or the AfD for it, but would point out that for GNG what are needed aren't just reliable sources but substantive reliable sources. A Guardian article from which we can merely infer that yes, such-and-such a company exists, does business in Germany, and has been noticed by its rivals is very different for GNG purposes from another Guardian article that's devoted to the company, describes how it started, what business it does, how it has the second largest market share in Germany, that it crushed at least one of its major rivals, the problems it faces elsewhere within the EU, how its well-known dependence on Russian raw materials is now impacting its business, etc etc. -- Hoary (talk) 23:44, 15 May 2022 (UTC)
 * Makes sense - I included a dedicated substantive article from Time, Rolling Stone, Decrypt and Coin Telegraph. The guardian mention is just for a specific data point. Hopefully adding a few sources fits the general notability guidelines. Pathofkarma (talk) 23:52, 15 May 2022 (UTC)
 * hi and welcome to the teahouse! to add on to the above, a list of the most frequently used sources can be found at perennial sources. The Times, CNN, and The Guardian are all okay sources in general although hoary's point still applies: it has to significantly cover the company. also, including a link to their userpage (plus signing your post) as you have done automatically notifies them to the conversation, however you could also do with using  or  to ping them. and finally, you could attach a  template onto the reference or add   to the citation template to indicate a source is paywalled. happy editing! &#128156;  melecie   talk  - 23:55, 15 May 2022 (UTC)
 * On the flip side of the coin, @Pathofkarma, Coin Telegraph and Decrypt are probably not going to help - see here and here. 97.113.167.129 (talk) 23:59, 15 May 2022 (UTC)
 * Thank you - removed Coin Telegraph. Kept Decrypt because it is substantial. Not the main source - Times + Rolling Stone + Guardian the main. Pathofkarma (talk) 01:09, 16 May 2022 (UTC)
 * thank you. also added Rolling stone which is in the list of perrennial sources - RS covered 5+ paragraphs on company. and added the url-access worked great! Pathofkarma (talk) 00:30, 16 May 2022 (UTC)
 * also adding variety which was on perennial list. Pathofkarma (talk) 01:31, 16 May 2022 (UTC)

A Fake Article for a Scavenger Hunt/ARG
I have had the idea for a Scavenger Hunt/ARG at my high school and I was wondering if I could create a fake article for this hunt. In it would contain clues for the hunt and different methods on encryption used. I plan for this to be done entirely alone and to start it as of March of next year LonePlayer (talk) 22:47, 15 May 2022 (UTC)


 * I am interested if I can do this and probably how to do this LonePlayer (talk) 22:49, 15 May 2022 (UTC)
 * Absolutely not. Wikipedia isn't a web-hosting service for personal use. It would be best to host that content on a free hosting service or blog site.
 * On the other hand, if your scavenger hunt met Wikipedia's criteria for inclusion (see WP:GNG) then there could be an article on it, but otherwise, no. ~Anachronist (talk) 22:51, 15 May 2022 (UTC)
 * @LonePlayer: Perhaps you should use another wiki farm, like Miraheze? — Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 03:08, 16 May 2022 (UTC)

Map optimization in infobox
There is an article named Uttara. Recently I am working on its map in the infobox. I want to make its map like Inverted shape or shape from Template:Maplink. But I can't understand the template. Also there are coordinates feature I need to understand to make the map. How can I do it. Can anyone help me? Mehedi Abedin 18:08, 15 May 2022 (UTC)
 * Hi . There are a couple possibilities you can try (in no particular order). First, you can discuss what you want to do at Talk:Uttara (town) and see if any of the editors watching the article might be able to help. The next thing, you could try is asking about this at Template talk:Maplink to see if any of the editors watching the template's page might be able to help. You could also try asking at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Templates or Wikipedia:Village pump (technical) to see if any editors familiar with templates in general can help sort things out. -- Marchjuly (talk) 04:45, 16 May 2022 (UTC)

Acceptable Structure of a Wiki Article
Hello, I'm a university student currently editing Microscopic scale for a unit assignment, and my contributions have since been refined by another editor.

I have already sent my following question to the Wiki editor who made these changes via their talk page, but with concern for my assignment due date, I'd like to receive as much insight as soon as I can.

As the page was previously a stub, I made significant additions to it, including changing the structure of the existing information to the page. I made these changes according to WikiProject Science/Guidelines, under "Scientific object/concept".

A wiki editor then reverted the structural changes I made to the page. I have no problem with the changes they made, although I am now wondering what is the basis of their decision, and if there are other resources or guidelines I need to read before continuing to edit this article.

If anybody could suggest any reasons or direct me to any other resources, that would be greatly appreciated. Thank you in advance.

Sleepymochi (talk) 01:36, 16 May 2022 (UTC)
 * Hi . Is your class something that is being supported by the Wiki Education Foundation (WikiEd) or did your teacher just assign you and your classmates some Wikipedia articles to edit? If your class is being assisted by WikiEd, then I suggest you discuss things with your WikiEd course advisor. If not, then perhaps you should ask your teacher to take a look at Wikipedia:Student assignments. If your teacher is grading your class on the edits it makes to Wikipedia, then your teacher might not really understand what Wikipedia is and how it works. Any deadlines or other instructions your teacher has given your class are not likely going to matter much to other members of the Wikipedia community. Please understand, I'm not trying to discourage you in anyway; it's just that students and teachers often run into problems when their objectives or expections differ greatly from Wikipedia policies and guidelines. -- Marchjuly (talk) 02:00, 16 May 2022 (UTC)
 * Hello, . It looks to me like you made some major contributions to Microscopic scale, and another editor made some relatively minor changes, specifically moving the "History" section to the beginning of the body of the article. This is pretty much the standard practice for "History" sections of articles. You mention WikiProject Science/Guidelines, but despite the word "Guidelines" appearing in the title of that page, that is not actually a Wikipedia guideline. Wikiprojects on their own cannot establish guidelines, which must be agreed to by the community as a whole. Please note that there have not been any edits to that page for five years, and no edits to its talk page for seven years. I consider a page like that to have negligible credibility at this point. The relevant policy here is  Consensus, which is exceptionally well established. If another editor contests one of your edits, then it is incumbent on you to build consensus for your proposed changes. I hope this helps. Cullen328 (talk) 02:18, 16 May 2022 (UTC)
 * - If you have had an interaction with another editor that you are raising at a noticeboard such as this one, it is a usual courtesy to ping that editor. For some notice boards it is compulsory, but not here. That way it makes it easier to build consensus. Not pinging the other editor(s) can make them feel as if you are going behind their backs to get a different (better?) answer. I have replied on your talk page about the issue.  Velella  Velella Talk 06:57, 16 May 2022 (UTC)

Mythology Article Space
Im trying to get my Mythology onto Article Space

The title of the article is Asithis

Was wondering if it was declined

If so for what reason

Also how do I Improve my articles in the future so that I can get it into Article Space Asithis (talk) 22:54, 15 May 2022 (UTC)


 * hi and welcome to the teahouse! firstly, you would need to cite reliable sources about the topic, which your draft currently has none of (and this is required for verifiability). I advise you to read Your first article and Writing better articles as well, these allow you to write an article better. happy editing! &#128156;  melecie   talk  - 00:05, 16 May 2022 (UTC)
 * @Asithis If you created this mythology yourself, then it won't be accepted as an article on WP until (as @Melecie says) the wider world has taken note, and published some commentary about it. Please see WP:ONEDAY.  To get any articles approved, or any edits to stick, you will need better punctuation.  Cheers. 73.127.147.187 (talk) 06:33, 16 May 2022 (UTC)
 * @Asithis Did you draw the artwork that is in the draft, yourself? 73.127.147.187 (talk) 07:00, 16 May 2022 (UTC)
 * @Asithis Did you draw the artwork that is in the draft, yourself? 73.127.147.187 (talk) 07:00, 16 May 2022 (UTC)

I got the Global "ntsamr"-pattern spambot filter message
I want to help translate some exisiting Wikipedia pages from Japanese to English. I couldn't get it to allow me to do that for a particular page, so I tried making a stand alone English version with links connecting it to the existing Japanese version, but when I finally submitted the page to get published, I got the spambot filter message.

It says I should contact an Administrator.

It's my first time trying to make/edit on Wikipedia so I don't really understand anything yet.

What should I do? Sayjay1995 (talk) 06:56, 16 May 2022 (UTC)
 * Is this about the content at User:Sayjay1995/sandbox? David notMD (talk) 08:47, 16 May 2022 (UTC)

In display, remove the left hand side panel/menu Quizjohn (talk) 09:13, 16 May 2022 (UTC)

Publishing my new article
I have just completed, after two weeks' work, an article on the black African composer Michael Mosoeu Moerane. I pushed the Publish button, but now I am wondering what happens next... Cape doctor (talk) 08:53, 15 May 2022 (UTC)
 * This is good stuff, . It's the best draft I've seen in quite a while. In preparation for its promotion to article status, I've moved it to Draft:Michael Mosoeu Moerane and posted an comment/request at its head that may annoy you -- but, well, writing for Wikipedia is a pain, as you've no doubt already realized. -- Hoary (talk) 09:28, 15 May 2022 (UTC)
 * Hi I see that the article has now been moved to Mainspace, so well done. Next steps are to add some categories (see WP:CATEGORY) so more people can find it. Also, are you aware of the did you know.... system which will place a "hook" from the article on to the Mainpage? Nomination is a bit of a faff the first time you do it but the nomination page (and more guidance)  is here. Mike Turnbull (talk) 12:18, 15 May 2022 (UTC)
 * This is so encouraging, thank you Cape doctor (talk) 16:21, 15 May 2022 (UTC)
 * Mike Turnbull, adding categories is I think an extraordinarily complex and difficult process for the new editor. I've added a bunch. However, my addition was rather sleepy and it's very likely that I've made the odd mistake and almost certain that I've failed to add some that beneficially could be added. Perhaps you'd care to look at my work and improve on it. -- Hoary (talk) 13:53, 15 May 2022 (UTC)
 * , agreed! I just wanted to make Cape doctor aware of the system and maybe add Category:Choral composers as a learning exercise. Very often the editor who accepts a Draft adds some relevant categories but in this case did the move and perhaps because they are also relatively inexperienced didn't do that. I checked your own additions and they seem perfect, although I did remove Category:South African composers as that is implied by your addition of Category:South African male composers of which it is a sub-category. Mike Turnbull (talk) 14:20, 15 May 2022 (UTC)
 * Dear Michael (and Hoary) - you have both greatly improved the article's visibility. Thank you! I didn't know about Categories and Hooks, thank you again. But I'm not sure what the status of the article is now and I'm terrified of messing it up. Additional Categories could be: Rhodes University alumni, W.B. du Bois, Pan-Africanism, Symphonic poem, Hymn, Church music, Spirituals, Maseru (capital of Lesotho), Morija (town in Lesotho), Thabo Mbeki, Epainette Mbeki, Joshua Pulumo Mohapeloa. Err.... how do I add them? Cape doctor (talk) 16:43, 15 May 2022 (UTC)
 * As Hoary said, I don't think you should worry too much about adding further categories and some of the possibilities you mention may not be established categories in any case. Your article is now part of the main encyclopaedia (we call this "Mainspace") and although it may not yet be indexed by third-party search engines like Google, it will be in due course. Mike Turnbull (talk) 17:10, 15 May 2022 (UTC)
 * Hi Mike
 * Does this mean that it is not public, or approved, yet and I can still work on it? I am trying to resolve the issue you mentioned about using "Private Collection" that you pointed out, by finding secondary sources (even ones already cited) that can support the same information. Should I carry on doing this? Cape doctor (talk) 17:40, 15 May 2022 (UTC)
 * @Cape doctor, everything you write on WP is public, like this page we're on right now can be seen by anyone who knows where it is. Drafts are also public, but not indexed by, for example, Google. Michael Mosoeu Moerane is in article-space, but that doesn't mean you or anyone interested should stop improving it. WP:BOLD is the law of the land. All WP-articles are works in progress. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 18:05, 15 May 2022 (UTC)
 * Got it! Cape doctor (talk) 18:20, 15 May 2022 (UTC)
 * Well I thought I had it. I'm really trying to grasp where the article "is" now, or where it "will be" when it is "published". If I log out and search for this article as an ordinary user, I can't see it or access it yet, and that is what is frustrating me. I'm looking for enlightenment... Cape doctor (talk) 18:42, 15 May 2022 (UTC)
 * Hi, @Cape doctor! To enlarge on something mentioned in passing; many editors can, and some do, publish articles straight to Mainspace without going through the review process yours has, and sometimes these are substandard. To limit the latter's exposure before they can be brought up to standard, access by Google's (and others') web crawlers is blocked either until the article has been checked by the New Page Patrol reviewers, or 90 days has passed. Before either of these, a Google (etc.) search won't find the article, though a search within Wikipedia will.
 * The NPP may release the new Article to the Web, improve it and then release it, or revert it to (or back to) Draft space for further work: in some extreme cases where someone has tried to slip blatantly poor material past us, they might even reject and delete the item.
 * You certainly don't have to worry about this; your article is good enought that the NPP will likely mark it as patrolled (lifting the crawler block) as soon as they see it (problematic cases take longer to decide on). After that it might take anything from minutes to a couple of days before the crawlers make their next pass. {The poster formerly known as 87.81.230.195} 90.208.88.97 (talk) 18:43, 15 May 2022 (UTC)
 * @Cape doctor, If you type Michael Mosoeu Moerane into the WP-searchbox, you should find, wether logged in or not. It is where a WP-article should be. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 18:46, 15 May 2022 (UTC)
 * @Cape doctor I have just done the NPP check and released the article for indexing by Google et al. Congratulations on a very nice new article! Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 07:30, 16 May 2022 (UTC)
 * Mike Turnbull, on your comment "I checked your own additions and they seem perfect, although I did remove Category:South African composers as that is implied by your addition of Category:South African male composers of which it is a sub-category": please see the pale blue box atop the latter category. Simply, where somebody is categorized as a male (or female) XYZ, it's entirely proper for that person also to be categorized as a [gender-unspecified] XYZ. (For newcomers here: Such an overlap contrasts with most categorization, whereby for instance anyone who's properly in Category:Scientists from Johannesburg shouldn't also be in either Category:People from Johannesburg or Category:South African scientists.) -- Hoary (talk) 21:54, 15 May 2022 (UTC)
 * Apologies,, I was, and still am, confused by the blue box at Category:South African male composers which says "It includes composers that can also be found in the parent category" (my emphasis). I took this to imply that the situation was normally the same as for your scientist example, with which I'm more familiar, whereas it seems to mean should be found. Mike Turnbull (talk) 10:12, 16 May 2022 (UTC)
 * referred the reader to Thabo Mbeki: The Dream Deferred a number of times, each time specifying the page number(s). The result was unnecessarily bulky, but (and I think more importantly) informative and helpful. One or more subsequent edits conflated these into a single reference, with an array of page numbers: it was now more tedious for anyone looking at the book to locate any particular assertion within it. Using Template:Rp, I've restored the specific page numbers where I can. "Where I can", because there are also newer references, whose specific page numbers I don't know. Cape doctor, as you seem to have access to a copy of the book and I do not, please readd missing page numbers. (More concretely, where there's a reference to the book but no page number, and the information can be found on pages 41–43, please expand plain to .) Thank you! -- Hoary (talk) 22:30, 15 May 2022 (UTC)

Spotted inaccuracies / updates required but can't do myself
I'm not proficient enough at editing Wikipedia and don't at the moment have the time to learn properly - but I have found a string of linked pages that are very out of date. Is there a place where I can alert other willing and able editors to sort these pages out? Many thanks JackD (talk) 22:35, 15 May 2022 (UTC)
 * Just as you posted a comment here on this page, you can also post suggestions for improvements on the talk page of any article. That would be the best place to start. ~Anachronist (talk) 22:55, 15 May 2022 (UTC)
 * As a reality check, some articles have few viewers, and far fewer looking at the Talk pages of those articles. Posting here a Wikilink to one or two of the dated articles. David notMD (talk) 01:57, 16 May 2022 (UTC)
 * One simple thing you could do is to add the template update at the top of such articles. Many more people will read the article and see the template than will notice a comment on its Talk Page. Another good place to make such comments is on the Talk Page of any Projects interested in the article, which will be listed on its own Talk Page. So for this chemistry/EU-related article, a comment could go on any or all of the Projects which claim an interest in it. Although David notMD is correct in saying that links here at the Teahouse might help, this thread will very soon be lost in the Teahouse archive. Mike Turnbull (talk) 10:43, 16 May 2022 (UTC)

Bango plc submission (03/05)
Hello,

I've updated a submission for Bango plc, found here: Draft:Bango plc. I appreciate it takes time to review pages, but would like to ask if there's an average wait time. Shehrozs (talk) 10:25, 16 May 2022 (UTC)


 * @Shehrozs you need to click that blue 'resubmit' button, otherwise you will be waiting for a very long time indeed! -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 10:54, 16 May 2022 (UTC)

Schools notablity
I want to write a article about a school how did i know that the school is notable enough or not. Saha86830 (talk) 10:00, 16 May 2022 (UTC)


 * hi Saha86830 and welcome to the teahouse! that would be found over at Notability (organizations) § Schools: All universities, colleges and schools, including high schools, middle schools, primary (elementary) schools, and schools that only provide a support to mainstream education must either satisfy the notability guidelines for organizations, the general notability guideline, or both. For-profit educational organizations and institutions are considered commercial organizations and must satisfy those criteria. happy editing! &#128156; melecie   talk  - 10:04, 16 May 2022 (UTC)
 * @Saha86830 in practical terms, try to find three sources that are each: secondary (most commonly, news media), reliable, independent (no reason to be biased), and in-depth (roughly, 10+ lines on the school). If you can, especially if they aren't tiny local news sources, then it's likely notable. Nosebagbear (talk) 11:09, 16 May 2022 (UTC)

Move image
Hi! I made a dumb misspelling when uploading File:Portraid of Matthew Morris Aid.jpg, but I'm unable to change the name. I have page mover permissions. PhotographyEdits (talk) 11:05, 16 May 2022 (UTC)
 * To move files, you need to have a special file mover permission, or be an admin. I have tagged that image with Rename media, so hopefully a file mover/admin will move it. <b style="color:#0033ab">Joseph</b><b style="color:#000000">2302</b> (talk) 11:19, 16 May 2022 (UTC)
 * @Joseph2302 Thanks! PhotographyEdits (talk) 11:22, 16 May 2022 (UTC)

New entry not going in as same name exists
I am trying to create a page for a individual but the same name exists already for another different person. The name is John Kamara A Tech Entrepreneur and Wiki has the name already but for the footballer from Sierra Leonne. How do I add the page without being directed to edit the Footballer page please. THESE ARE 2 TOTALLY UNRELATED People Waranganayi (talk) 11:07, 16 May 2022 (UTC)


 * Just title it John Kamara (entrepreneur). However, be sure that it meets WP:NOTABILITY and is sourced by reliable, secondary sources. Speatle  ( talk to me ) please ping me when replying to something I said . 11:29, 16 May 2022 (UTC)
 * Thanks so much @Speatle! Waranganayi (talk) 11:51, 16 May 2022 (UTC)
 * hi @Waranganayi and welcome to the teahouse! while we're here, it's best to also read Your first article along with the two links above Notability and Reliable sources, each of those help articles would aid in creating a new article. happy editing! &#128156; melecie   talk  - 11:31, 16 May 2022 (UTC)
 * Hi Melecie. Thank you. I have definitely read I'm however encountering this challenge that the name of the individual I am trying to add in exactly the same as someone who already exists on wiki. Please assist Waranganayi (talk) 11:50, 16 May 2022 (UTC)
 * As said above, you can title it John Kamara (entrepreneur). <span style="font-family:Segoe print; color:#FF8C00; text-shadow:skyblue 0.5em 0.5em 0.5em; font-weight:bold">Kpddg  (talk)  12:11, 16 May 2022 (UTC)
 * Hello, Waranganayi, and welcome to the Teahouse. I would advise you very strongly not to attempt to create an article directly in mainspace, but instead to use the articles for creation process, to create a draft of the article and submit it for review. Writing an encyclopaedia article is much more difficult than most people realise, and new editors generally have a somewhat frustrting time even if they do go via creating a draft: the likelihood of your very first attempt at an article being acceptable straight away is, I'm afraid, small. Going via this method has the additional advantage that you don't need to worry about the duplicate name. You can create Draft:John Kamara, and when you submit it for review and somebody accepts it, the reviewer will moveit to mainspace and handle the duplicate name appropriately.
 * Actually, I would advise you not even to create a draft until you have had a few months' experience learning how Wikipedia works by making small improvements to some of our six million existing articles. ColinFine (talk) 12:11, 16 May 2022 (UTC)

My sandbox name is showing.
I created a Wiki page for Zelipa Zulu and my sandbox name is showing. How do I rename or remove this? Jason4004 (talk) 10:38, 16 May 2022 (UTC)


 * Hi there @Jason4004. Currently it's in your sandbox (as you know). I've opted against moving it to a draft at the moment, as currently it risks being viewed as a very pro-subject page.
 * You can't use external links within the body of (what will be) an article. You also need references: I suggest taking a look at Help:Intro, specifically the referencing page. Once you've handled those two bits ask here again and someone can move it for you, and let you know how to submit it for review to try and become an article. Nosebagbear (talk) 11:31, 16 May 2022 (UTC)
 * Thank you. So just to clarify a Wiki page for a person is classed as an article? Jason4004 (talk) 11:40, 16 May 2022 (UTC)
 * hi ! that is correct, and when moving the page you move it to (Article). however I'd advise against moving it to there for now unless you know what you're doing, since it would be better for you to work on your draft and get feedback first, as if you move it to an (article)-prefixed page it can be deleted when it doesn't meet the required standards of an article, while a draft allow you to keep working on it even if it doesn't yet, then let a reviewer see if it's ready. happy editing! &#128156; melecie   talk  - 11:44, 16 May 2022 (UTC)
 * (edit conflict)  We tend to classify everything in Mainspace as articles. Few editors here like the term "page" as it has connotations of social media, which is one of the things Wikipedia is not. Also, it clarifies, for biographies, that the person being described does not WP:OWN their article. Mike Turnbull (talk) 11:50, 16 May 2022 (UTC)

To clarify, User:Jason4004/sandbox is visible (and editable) to other editors, but not an article and not found be a search on "Zelipa Zulu" within Wikipedia or an outside search engine. The advised path is fix stuff, convert it to a draft, then submit the draft to AfC (Articles for Creation) to be reviewed, and either accepted, declined or rejected. As mentioned, no hyperlinks in the text. Some of the hyperlink connections can be turned into references. David notMD (talk) 14:46, 16 May 2022 (UTC)
 * See List of Nigerian screenwriters for examples of accepted articles about screenwriters. David notMD (talk) 14:50, 16 May 2022 (UTC)
 * Thank you so much. I can see I’m on a steep learning curve. I’ll keep it in draft and study examples. Thank you everyone so far! 2A00:23C4:38A2:6901:59A0:B5CD:ACEE:7688 (talk) 14:58, 16 May 2022 (UTC)

How to verify an edit for a company through its official channels
I work at a multinational organisation which is popular enough that people use its name inso much fake news.

Is there a way we can set up a verified email to make edits that cannot be undone on Wikipedia? Honestly, we see lots and lots of fake news about us in multiple languages.

Thanks, 94.204.41.218 (talk) 02:46, 16 May 2022 (UTC)


 * Hello 94.204.41.218, and welcome to the Teahouse! Wikipedia does not operate based on ownership of content; pages cannot be "locked" based on a company's wishes. The project's prose is based on what is said in reliable, neutral sources. If you would like to edit your own company's article, please disclose your paid editing; failure to do so may result in blocks. Thanks! 🐶 EpicPupper (he/him &#124; talk) 02:54, 16 May 2022 (UTC)
 * Is there an existing Wikipedia article about the company? David notMD (talk) 08:45, 16 May 2022 (UTC)
 * A company representative is certainly free to create an account indicating that they are a company representative(such as "JohnDoe of XYZ Company"). You don't have to use your real name. They will also need to make a formal paid editing declaration and read conflict of interest. But that representative will have no more rights than any other editor- they will have less, actually, due to the conflict of interest.  They would generally not be able to directly make edits related to the company, and would need to propose them instead on the article talk page. If a source is actual "fake news", you will need to explain why.  Note that negative information about your company is permitted to be in any Wikipedia article about it as long as it appears in a reliable source and is not defamatory. 331dot (talk) 09:26, 16 May 2022 (UTC)
 * IF there is an existing article about the company, then you are allowed to propose changes on the Talk page of the article. Be specific, as in deleted _____, or replace ______ with _____. For each proposed change, you must provide a properly formated reference(s) in support of the proposed change. An editor with no connection to the company with either reject or implement the proposed change. David notMD (talk) 15:13, 16 May 2022 (UTC)
 * IF there are repeated efforts to add false information to the article, you can request that the article be protected. See Protection policy. Ths blocks unregistered editors and recently registered editors from editing the article. David notMD (talk) 15:13, 16 May 2022 (UTC)

Providing a verified source for information about a person's name
I was recently editing a Wikipedia page that is about my late mother-in-law. The page has existed for a number of years. One of the things I wanted to do was correct some information about her name. In particular, her first name at birth, was not the name that she went by as an adult. We wanted to correct that information and provide her birth name. I made a simple edit to do that. Someone objected to it because no source was provided for the information. I replied in the talk page that the source was personal communication from my wife, the daughter of the person who's Wikipedia page I was editing. I was told that this was not sufficient.

What I do have is a copy of her marriage license and also an image (that came from Ancestry.com) of the 1910 U.S. Census showing her name, and also a list of passengers from a ship arriving in the US that she was on. The problem is that these documents can't be found through an internet search. How do I make my documentation clear to someone who wants to know the source. What can I do to use these documents to show that my proposed edit is correct.

Thanks for your help. Fhnewell (talk) 00:12, 16 May 2022 (UTC)


 * hi Fhnewell and welcome to the teahouse! unfortunately, you can't. information has to be from reliable sources that are independent of the subject, and while it doesn't need to be accessible through the internet (offline sources are allowed as long as they still meet the other requirements), it has to be accessible and verifiable to those who seek for it (so personal communication is not usable, and which is why we are looking for published sources). there's also the matter of conflict of interest (which I advise you to read) where your editing may be influenced by her being your mother in law, which may make everything trickier. happy editing! &#128156; melecie   talk  - 00:25, 16 May 2022 (UTC)
 * Hi @Fhnewell. Google can be your friend when looking for sources. There is an interview here where she talks about her name and when she started using Margot. StarryGrandma (talk) 00:43, 16 May 2022 (UTC)
 * Thank you for pointing me to that source. I will go back and edit the page using that as my source of information. Fhnewell (talk) 15:18, 16 May 2022 (UTC)
 * @Fhnewell It is frustrating when things that you know are true are not accepted in a WP article. Sure, you would not lie, and likely not for this kind of info, but unfortunately some people make stuff up.  That is why every asserted fact needs to be backed up with a published source, so that other readers can verify what you have said.  Those are the rules here... (well, I mostly duplicated what Melecie said.) 73.127.147.187 (talk) 06:44, 16 May 2022 (UTC)

Shortdesc helper
Hi folks at the Teahouse! I'm befuddled as to how to enable the Shortdesc helper gadget on my device. I went to its information page and found that I was supposed to look for it in the Preferences:Gadgets section, which I did, to no avail. I cannot find it. Can anyone help me with this? Or is there any alternative way of activating it which might help? Thanks! Dissoxciate (talk) 15:20, 16 May 2022 (UTC)


 * @Dissoxciate Shortdesc helper (along with a lot of other gadgets) are not available on the mobile site. To use them you will need to swap to the desktop site, this can be done with the "desktop" button at the bottom of the page. 163.1.15.238 (talk) 15:42, 16 May 2022 (UTC)


 * I see, thanks for that! I hope once activated, they can still be used normally on the mobile site though? Dissoxciate (talk) 16:31, 16 May 2022 (UTC)
 * @Dissoxciate Nope, I'm afraid that's not the case, it can only be used on the desktop site. The desktop and mobile sites have different JavaScript API's and a few of the more complex gadgets and user scripts only work on the desktop site (another example is WP:TWINKLE). 163.1.15.238 (talk) 16:40, 16 May 2022 (UTC)
 * Oh crap, that doesn't sound too good. I guess I'll only be able to use it while on desktop then. Thanks for the heads-up, though! Appreciate it. Dissoxciate (talk) 16:51, 16 May 2022 (UTC)

Charlie hebdo issue no.2011
I took down a picture of a cartoon of what people thought was the prophet SAW but someone put it back on?? For what reason is this?? Lethalhuntress (talk) 15:50, 15 May 2022 (UTC)
 * Welcome to the Teahouse, . The simple answer is that Wikipedia is not censored. It is an encyclopaedia serving the whole world and different people will vary in what they consider as offensive. Provided that images are relevant to the articles in which they appear, they won't be removed just because someone dislikes them. Why did you choose to read that article out of the millions we have here? Were you expecting to find something you didn't like and could censor? Mike Turnbull (talk) 15:57, 15 May 2022 (UTC)
 * Well, actually I was doing research for my studies and came across this, I had no intention to surf the internet and find offensive material, I just came across this, I have a life thank you. Lethalhuntress (talk) 16:44, 15 May 2022 (UTC)
 * Mike Turnbull, I think your rhetorical question goes a little too far. I'm sure many people come to Wikipedia and look up some topic they feel strongly about a topic, in order to see how it's dealt with.  And as far as that goes, I think there's nothing wrong with that; they can perhaps point out things where biases so common they're hardly recognized have crept in.  I'm sure, for example, that many of the people who would censor things here backed by Newsmax and Life Lobby--as being unreliable sources--feel VERY strongly that NPR is to be trusted (whether it is or not); that Trump is a white-supremacist (whether he is or not); that his claims about election fraud are without basis (whether that's true or not); and that the SPLC labeling a group as a hate group is a clear indication that it IS a hate group (whether it is or not).  I'm sure that claim that Wikipedia is not censored is made honestly.  Nevertheless, there is certainly room for discussion about it. Uporządnicki (talk) 16:57, 15 May 2022 (UTC)
 * More context at Content disclaimer. WP has stuff that can be seen as objectionable, it's like the rest of the internet/world in that way. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 17:14, 15 May 2022 (UTC)

I wanted to reply to the person who commented on my comment. Thank you for your reply, but it’s not because I dislike it- it’s not a petty issue. This material is deemed offensive to not just me but all Muslims, it shouldn’t be allowed to appear on Wikipedia as it’s mocking our religion and frankly spreading misinformation, it doesn’t matter if Wikipedia is not censored, this isn’t freedom of speech this is an insult and a mockery. As a Muslim it’s my duty to warn you heavily of the consequences of these actions, but this isn’t where you can say what you can, I could literally create a page about other religions and chat shit about other things but I’m not, because humans have a duty to respect one another. If people wish to continue to upload stuff like this, then you’ll see consequences for yourself. Lethalhuntress (talk) 16:43, 15 May 2022 (UTC)
 * As you might expect, you are not the first person to comment on images that might be offensive to Muslims. Wikipedia has implemented a way to make it less likely you would see one. The Help page Help:Options to hide an image gives instruction about how to implement this on your account when logged in. Mike Turnbull (talk) 16:57, 15 May 2022 (UTC)
 * An encyclopedia that removed everything that offended one group or another would leave very little behind. Almost everything is offensive to someone. 331dot (talk) 17:46, 15 May 2022 (UTC)
 * I wonder what you mean by "spreading misinformation". Do you see any misinformation in the Charlie Hebdo article? Do you question that the magazine's cover was as shown? Maproom (talk) 19:13, 15 May 2022 (UTC)
 * @Lethalhuntress "I could literally create a page about other religions and chat shit about other things but I’m not..." Yes, you could create an article, and if that article was backed by reliable sources, there would be no reason for it to be deleted from WP. 73.127.147.187 (talk) 06:23, 16 May 2022 (UTC)
 * @Lethalhuntress: I'd be careful writing things like [i]f people wish to continue to upload stuff like this, then you’ll see consequences for yourself, as that could be considered a veiled threat, which isn't allowed on Wikipedia. — Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 06:58, 16 May 2022 (UTC)
 * This article literally specifically details the controversy that arose from the magazine issue being published. It doesn't promote or endorse the comic, it makes the WP article much more informative. Adding context to the controversy by showing the magazine's cover - literally the subject of the article - is not meant to disparage Muslims. It's to show the context behind the controversy. Not to mention the magazine was satirical. Lincoln1809 (talk) 17:20, 16 May 2022 (UTC)

Vandalism
I created an article some time ago for a Canadian missing persons case (Disappearance of Dylan Ehler). This page has been subject to numerous edits, none citing valid sources, from parties who appear (or claim) to be personally involved with the Dylan Ehler case. I would therefore like to request some help from a reputed Wikipedia member, or members, in protecting this page from vandalism. There is now a person trying to put in unsourced information claiming that Dylan's parents were drug addicts and that his grandmother is criminally negligent, as well as a person trying to remove sourced information because it clashes with their own personal opinion. One person was on here awhile back claiming to be Dylan Ehler's mom, and they were chopping whole paragraphs out of the article for no reason, citing no valid sources or even any reasons why they were removing the information. Being from Nova Scotia myself, I know the case is highly contentious, and so there will be repeated vandalism on the page, most likely. Is there a way to protect the page? PetSematary182 (talk) 16:14, 16 May 2022 (UTC)PetSematary182
 * Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. Page protection may be requested at WP:RFPP. Pages are not protected preemptively, but will be if there is a demonstratable problem. 331dot (talk) 16:18, 16 May 2022 (UTC)
 * Thank you for the help! PetSematary182 (talk) 16:33, 16 May 2022 (UTC)
 * Hello PetSematary! I've removed some things from the article as they aren't really relevant to an encyclopedia article on a missing persons case (Such as a description of what they were wearing or where they were last seen, or that the town is most well-known for having an underwear factory). I suggest looking at some other articles relating to more modern missing persons cases (such as articles in the category Category:2020s missing person cases) to help know what is and isn't appropriate in the article. ― <b style="background:#0d1125;color:#51aeff;padding:1q;border-radius:5q;">Blaze Wolf</b>Talk<sub title="Discord Username" style="margin-left:-22q;">Blaze Wolf#6545 17:41, 16 May 2022 (UTC)

Coloring table content cells
I usually use the visual editor since I feel intimidated by the complexity of the source editor. But is there a quicker way to color in table content cells without having to switch back from one editor to another? Prodrummer619 (talk) 12:36, 16 May 2022 (UTC)


 * @Prodrummer619, welcome to the Teahouse! AFAIK, no. We have to switch to source editing for such advanced formatting. And, don't worry, the syntaxes maybe intimidating at first but becomes pretty helpful in some times. I hardly ever switch to visual editor now. Regards. Lightbluerain (talk) 18:05, 16 May 2022 (UTC)

Questions about referencing
I've just added some references to the article Native Son (1951 film), and I have some questions. First, I used the same source for two references, #6 and #10. I know I'd usually have to use a sort of "ibid" style for the second reference (and I would need help with that), but I'm not sure it's appropriate here because some of the references that were there already use superscripts, and I don't know what they're there for, maybe another way of formatting the same reference multiple times? (Refs # 2, 3, 4, and 11; 1 and 13 don't use the superscripts.) Ref. #13 seems strange to me: it is short and in the Reference Notes subsection with all the others, but it refers to a full reference above under the Reference section heading. Why would that one reference be listed in different place, and be referred to separately? Finally, all the links in my reference work (#'s 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10 and 12) but the only links that are highlighted in blue are #'s 8 and 12. Is there a problem? Pete Best Beatles (talk) 04:58, 15 May 2022 (UTC)
 * Hello, . That article uses a format that includes both references and reference notes. I find that style of referencing bizarre and incomprehensible, although I think that it is an an acceptable variant. As for references used more than once, WP:REFNAME should be informative. Cullen328 (talk) 05:47, 15 May 2022 (UTC)
 * I'm aware the WP:REFNAME exists, I just wasn't sure if it applied to the bizarre format. Could you discuss the superscripts and the blue highlights? Thanks. --  Pete Best Beatles (talk) 03:12, 16 May 2022 (UTC)
 * I didn't see any reason not to use the conventional single reflist in that article. Also (in regard to your other enquiry at the Teahouse) I converted the NYT's shouty house style into something more sensible. Just revert me if you don't like either change. Mike Turnbull (talk) 15:17, 16 May 2022 (UTC)
 * Thanks, you just alleviated a lot of stress. (Now if I could only figure out what those darned superscripts are all about.) ``  Pete Best Beatles (talk) 19:31, 16 May 2022 (UTC)

Is db-g12 suitable for draft with partial copyright violations?
Is appropriate to mark a draft for deletion (Draft:Organic fish) because of copyright violation when the entire three-paragraph lede is a verbatim copy of another source, but the later sub-sections appear to be OK, and cite the originals. In this case, there is also discussion of merging the content with an existing article (Organic aquaculture). How to just mark the portion that is in violation? if that's what I should do. signed, Willondon (talk) 18:36, 16 May 2022 (UTC)


 * @Willondon You can either remove the offending section then tag the article with Copyvio-revdel to ask that for any revisions with the material to be deleted, or you can list it at WP:Copyright problems where someone with expertise in dealing with copyvios will look at it. 192.76.8.94 (talk) 19:21, 16 May 2022 (UTC)


 * Thanks for the advice.  signed, Willondon (talk)  22:47, 16 May 2022 (UTC)


 * There's a lot more than copyvio wrong with that draft. It starts "Organic fish is a kind of organic food fish", but doesn't specify what kind of fish it, nor what is organic about it. It is badly written and promotional. "Its nutritional value is higher than the nutritional value of wild fish such as the Selenium, Iron and other minerals." Why "the" Selenium? why capitalise the names of those elements? Why no supporting reference for that claim? Maproom (talk) 23:01, 16 May 2022 (UTC)


 * That's for sure. I hesitate to spend time improving it with conventional English and sourcing, because it seems destined to be dismantled for parts to be merged into an already existing article very close in topic. Re copyright, looks like the violated source may have copied it from WP. (I notice Google searches will find draft material in WP, too.) So problematic, I decided to basically leave it, and let the draft expire and/or the merge discussion run its course. I see one editor has already scavenged some draft content into the pre-existing article.  signed, Willondon (talk)  23:09, 16 May 2022 (UTC)

Reference style
I'm planning to reference an article from The New Yorker magazine. The title of the piece is in all caps. Should I reproduce it that way when I format the reference? -- Pete Best Beatles (talk) 04:51, 16 May 2022 (UTC)
 * I don't think there's a reason to do so per MOS:ALLCAPS unless the title includes initialisms or acronyms requiring each letter be capitalized. Some periodicals may use the all caps style per their house style, and while doing so might techincally not be a problem per WP:CITESTYLE and WP:CITEVAR, in might create introduce some inconsistencies that could otherwise be easily avoided. -- Marchjuly (talk) 04:58, 16 May 2022 (UTC)
 * No acronyms, just idiosyncrasy. --  Pete Best Beatles (talk) 10:41, 16 May 2022 (UTC)
 * I just realized there's already a reference in the article with its title in all caps, so I should follow suit for consistency's sake, right? That preexisting reference also causes confusion because it uses superscripts, and I don't if I should follow WP:REFNAME or not, because I don't know what the superscripts mean. See "Questions about references" above. --  Pete Best Beatles (talk) 11:09, 16 May 2022 (UTC)
 * I would defer to MOS:ALLCAPS in this case and not use all caps for the titles of article: such a thing is specifically referred to in the first bullet point of ALLCAPS. There's no reason to adhere to the particular style chosen by the publication being cited, though many probably might. I think CITEVAR might only be relevant if every citation used all caps, and you unilaterally decided to switch to another capitalization style. In such a case, it might be best to discuss things first on the article's talk page to see what others think, but I think it would be hard to establish a consensus to retain the all caps style except in some fairly odd case. If only a few of the citations use all caps but the others don't, then perhaps the person who added the all caps just didn't think to much about it and things like CITEVAR. Since citations are often added at different times by different people, inconsistencies in style can creep into the article. You could look through the page history to see how the article's creator or primary contributor formatted the citations they added and then adopt that style; you could also try and make the citation style consistent per WP:CS if doing so improves the article. If you're WP:BOLD and someone subsequently reverts your changes, you should try and resolve things through discussion on the article's talk page. -- Marchjuly (talk) 00:43, 17 May 2022 (UTC)

Rowspan template
Hi,

How do you make the N/A template stretch over multiple rows without just the text being displayed? See here for reference.

Thanks in advance! TrevortniDesserpedx (talk) 22:52, 16 May 2022 (UTC)


 * hi @Trevortnidesserped and welcome to the teahouse! you'd place without a pipe between it and the preceding rowspan to prevent the template from detecting the  as text to be put in the table itself. I've fixed the template over for you, happy editing! &#128156;  melecie   talk  - 00:49, 17 May 2022 (UTC)

How do you make a link to a section in an article
No, i'm not talking about the 'Albert Einstein#Scientific career' sort of thing. That thing redirects you to another article and the section you have given. I want to link to a section inside the article. I searched up everywhere but i couldn't seem to find a template or a way to do that. Leahnn Rey (talk) 00:18, 17 May 2022 (UTC)


 * hi @Leahnn Rey and welcome to the teahouse! you'd do the same thing in this case, although starting with the article's name. to redirect to say, the thread five sections above, you'd do Teahouse happy editing! &#128156; melecie   talk  - 00:42, 17 May 2022 (UTC)


 * It's not necessary to specify the article's title. will work. However, either Melecie's method or this one will normally collapse if the section is retitled, as it well might be. (You can neither tell other editors not to rename it nor expect that they'll check for the consequences of renaming it.) For this reason, I advise you to use Template:Anchor; see this. -- Hoary (talk) 01:14, 17 May 2022 (UTC)
 * you learn something new every day! thanks hoary &#128156; melecie   talk  - 01:22, 17 May 2022 (UTC)

Learning How To Add A Page For My Company
Is this where I can learn how to create a Wikipage for TheOkpost.com which is the company The Oklahoma Post ? Gregorymoyer1 (talk) 02:27, 16 May 2022 (UTC)


 * Hi @Gregorymoyer1, and welcome to the Teahouse! Articles on Wikipedia need to follow our reliable sourcing policy. For a helpful guide on creating articles, see here, for an an interactive wizard on how to create an article, please see here. Cheers! 🐶 EpicPupper (he/him &#124; talk) 02:42, 16 May 2022 (UTC)
 * Hello and Welcome to the Teahouse. Yes, you can create your company's article but you have to consider this conflict of interest and must have the knowledge about reliable sources, organization. Your first article and Article for creation probably helps you for creating article. Thanks and happy editing. Fade258 (talk) 02:43, 16 May 2022 (UTC)
 * Thank you for sharing the wizard. Cheers! I did read on the conflict and a couple steps to take as you said. I will do so. Gregorymoyer1 (talk) 03:11, 16 May 2022 (UTC)
 * Your unreferenced draft mentions that the media website was started in 2022. It is unlikely that it has been written about in other publications, which would be the reliable source references essential to establishing notability. David notMD (talk) 08:43, 16 May 2022 (UTC)
 * It has been. I am learning and reading today how to edit others articles first. So, I'll circle back around to the article I started soon. Thanks for your information. Gregorymoyer1 (talk) 04:17, 17 May 2022 (UTC)

how to upload info about a person
hi, i want to write about my father who is a politician and want to create a wikipedia page for him, how can i do that. Poonam.ss (talk) 14:16, 15 May 2022 (UTC)
 * It appears you have already started to do the drafting on your User Page, which is not the correct place for this. See WP:UPYES for what can go there. You have a steep learning curve to climb. Wikipedia does not have "pages" in the sense used by social media: it has articles about topics, not written in any way to benefit the topic but to benefit our readers. So, start by reading, not writing, first the help page WP:YFA and the policy page WP:BLP. Then read very carefully Wikipedia's policy on conflict of interest editing. If you still want to proceed, use the WP:AFC process to create a draft that others will approve (or not). Mike Turnbull (talk) 14:29, 15 May 2022 (UTC)
 * Hi and thanks for contributing in wikipedia. Wikipedia has Articles instead of pages. Creating an articles is a hardest work in Wikipedia. If the subject is Notable then you are able to create article on that particular subject. I noticed that you are trying to write an article about your father, so you have to consider this conflict of interest and you must have the knowledge about reliable sources. And take a look at your first article and article for creation probably this may helps you. Thank you and happy editing. Fade258 (talk) 14:32, 15 May 2022 (UTC)
 * To be clear: Start a draft using WP:YFA. Copy all that content about your father now on your User page to draft. Delete all that content from your User page. State on your User page that you are creating a draft about your father. DO NOT YET SUBMIT THE DRAFT. Last, add refs to your draft. Every factual statement must be verified by a published reference. What you know to be true cannot be added unless described in a reliable source reference. It cannot be accepted without refs. David notMD (talk) 19:36, 15 May 2022 (UTC)

UPDATE: now at Draft:Brijmohan Shrivastav. David notMD (talk) 04:21, 17 May 2022 (UTC)

Article Editing
I have questions about how to upload the side bar table with the information

about the article?

How do I save the work completed so far when I’m not done with the article?

How do I send over to editor to see if I am formatting the information correctly? Gwen chandler (talk) 22:28, 16 May 2022 (UTC)


 * Gwen chandler, whenever you want to save, press "Publish". (In the context of drafts, "Publish" doesn't have its regular meaning.) -- Hoary (talk) 23:17, 16 May 2022 (UTC)
 * WP:YFA explains how to create and submit a draft. A draft does not require an "Infobox" to be submitted for review, but it does require references. David notMD (talk) 02:22, 17 May 2022 (UTC)
 * , what you call the "side bar table" (infobox) is among the least important aspects of a draft, and will have no influence on whether or not the draft is accepted. The most important factor is whether or not several independent, reliable sources devote significant coverage to the topic of the draft. The second most important factor is whether or not the draft accurately and neutrally summarizes the content of those sources. Those are the essential elements. Everything else is secondary and easily corrected. Focus on the two points that I described. Cullen328 (talk) 05:23, 17 May 2022 (UTC)

Help with copyright
I am trying to add county seals to county pages in NC. I just realized that the copyright (Government) does not include county made designs. I was wondering if there is another copyright I could use to for these images or if they could be deleted if there is no way to fix them?

Images concerned.


 * File:Seal_of_New_Hanover_County.png
 * File:Anson_County_Seal.jpg
 * File:Pasquotank_County_Seal.jpg
 * File:Cleveland_County_Seal.png
 * File:Swain_County_Seal.jpg
 * File:Carteret_County_Seal.png

Thanks! DiscoA340 (talk) 22:50, 16 May 2022 (UTC)


 * DiscoA340, you're far more likely to get well-informed advice if you ask at commons:Commons:Village pump/Copyright. -- Hoary (talk) 23:13, 16 May 2022 (UTC)
 * Thank you @Hoary. DiscoA340 (talk) 00:30, 17 May 2022 (UTC)
 * , it looks like you are uploading County seals as copyright free as works of the U.S. Federal government. This is incorrect. While it is true that works of employees of the Federal government carrying out their job duties are in the public domain and therefore copyright free, this does not necessarily apply to state governments and their county level subdivisions. State and local governments establish their own copyright policies, which vary widely. You must investigate the specific policies of the specific government entity. Unless you can find solid evidence that a specific logo is in the public domain (or feely licensed), the assumption is that it is restricted by copyright. See WP:LOGO for possible exceptions for certain types of non free images. These non-free images belong here on English Wikipedia, not on Wikimedia Commons, which is for fully free inages only. Cullen328 (talk) 05:39, 17 May 2022 (UTC)

What should I do to get this page accepted?
I started working on a Wikipedia page Draft:Kaden Brightwell to be submitted for creation. Besides tweaking a few details and adding more information, is there any big things that need to be fixed for submission to be accepted? Equable247 (talk) 20:39, 16 May 2022 (UTC)


 * thanks for your question. The major hurdle to your article being accepted is the notability of the subject itself. Unfortunately, Kaden Brightwell does not appear to have media coverage independent of himself. The barriers to passing notability requirements are high, and many people, subjects, organizations, etc., simply do not pass those requirements. Someday, this subject may be notable enough for an article here, but not currently. Pyrrho the Skipper (talk) 20:52, 16 May 2022 (UTC)
 * (ec) Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. You are essentially asking- to draw an analogy- "aside from the plumbing, electrical, windows, and HVAC, am I ready to build a house?"  Writing a new article is the absolute hardest task to attempt on Wikipedia. It's even harder with a conflict of interest, as you have.  You must set aside everything you know about Mr. Brightwell and all materials put out by him(like his Twitter feed) and only write to summarize what independent reliable sources say about him, showing that he meets the special Wikipedia definition of a notable person.  This is usually done by independent editors who take note of coverage in independent sources and choose to write about a topic on their own- trying to force the issue one's self(either directly or through a representative) is not often successful. But, if you rewrite the draft to summarize independent sources, and can show he is notable, it can be resubmitted. Also be advised that Mr. Brightwell might want to consider that there are good reasons to not want an article about himself. 331dot (talk) 20:55, 16 May 2022 (UTC)
 * Also, unless its some kind of mistaken placeholder, the "honorary titles" section that was added shows they may not seriously be looking to contribute to the encyclopedia, but may be attempting some kind of prank. Pyrrho the Skipper (talk) 20:57, 16 May 2022 (UTC)
 * I'm also quite confused by Brightwell graduated from the Hunterdon County Academies in 2025. Thank you for disclosing your conflict of interest, though, Equable247! 199.208.172.35 (talk) 20:58, 16 May 2022 (UTC)
 * @Equable247, an article about a 14-year old with no reliable sources. Is this yourself? @Pyrrho the Skipper, is there a speedy deletion tag for a draft with too much detail about an identifiable minor child with information about his real school and siblings? StarryGrandma (talk) 22:44, 16 May 2022 (UTC)
 * Yes, that can be applied to drafts, but I'm going to tag the reviewer,, so they can address this in the most efficient way. Pyrrho the Skipper (talk) 22:53, 16 May 2022 (UTC)
 * Yes, but it can only be applied by oversighters. Not being an oversighter, I have "addressed" this draft in a different yet efficient way. -- Hoary (talk) 23:34, 16 May 2022 (UTC) Incidentally, not being an admin at Commons, I've had to launch a deletion request there. -- Hoary (talk) 23:43, 16 May 2022 (UTC)
 * The draft has been deleted for being a hoax. — Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 11:09, 17 May 2022 (UTC)
 * The draft has been deleted for being a hoax. — Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 11:09, 17 May 2022 (UTC)

If you make too many typos
If you edit pages a lot and make too many typos, can you get banned from editing? My school already has an IP ban Skepstep (talk) 12:28, 17 May 2022 (UTC)


 * Only if an administrator has good reason to suspect they are doing it in bad faith, or if they are making far too many mistakes. See WP:GF and WP:DE. The Tips   of   Apmh  12:32, 17 May 2022 (UTC)
 * Hi Skepstep, welcome to the teahouse, it is extremely unlikely that one gets banned from editing due to making too many typos. As long as you are editing in good faith, contributes positively to this encyclopedia, and listens to advice I would say that it's actually quite difficult to get banned from editing as a beginner. Your school IP ban is likely due to vandalism, which is editing that is not in good faith and is common across school IPs.  Just ' i ' yaya  12:34, 17 May 2022 (UTC)
 * @Skepstep, adding to the above, Spellchecking may have something of use. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 12:44, 17 May 2022 (UTC)

Notability Issues
I'm at a loss with understanding this notability thing. I was told that my submission was rejected for notability reasons and then to make edits to fix. Couple of years later (after finally finding online sources and paying for subscription), I added/replaced them with online sources from different news sources. But now I'm told that the submission will not be reviewed further and that the sources are not appropriate for establishing notability. What could be done? Michron777 (talk) 14:50, 16 May 2022 (UTC)
 * Courtesy, draft in question is Draft:Your Story Hour, which was Rejected three years ago. It was then deleted as having been abandoned, then recently restored. You could leave a query on the talk page of Reviewer User:K.e.coffman, who had posted the Rejected, as to whether that could be removed now that you are trying to improve the draft. Personally, I feel that a radio show that has been in existance for 70 years might be noteworthy. David notMD (talk) 14:57, 16 May 2022 (UTC)
 * @Michron777 I've added a note that further reviewers (after you resubmit) should treat the previous rejection as a decline, given the time-frame and additional work (although, looking at the state of it back in 2019, I would have declined, not rejected). Nosebagbear (talk) 09:53, 17 May 2022 (UTC)
 * @David notMD I will do as suggested. Thank you.
 * @Nosebagbear Thank you Michron777 (talk) 13:26, 17 May 2022 (UTC)

Project
how can i create an project TEEDKAAY (talk) 13:32, 16 May 2022 (UTC)


 * Hello TEEDKAAY and welcome to the Teahouse! Could you possibly elaborate what you meant with your question? Wikipedia doesn't have projects (outside of Wikiprojects). ― <b style="background:#0d1125;color:#51aeff;padding:1q;border-radius:5q;">Blaze Wolf</b>Talk<sub title="Discord Username" style="margin-left:-22q;">Blaze Wolf#6545 13:44, 16 May 2022 (UTC)
 * To start up and be a member,there's lot of articles that i hv thought of that i wanna share
 * and need to be edited.
 * Like creating a page, ESTABLISHING NEW APPROVED ARTICLES ETc.
 * Can you please assist me to be accepted permanently like you
 * So where would i start from as a newcomer? TEEDKAAY (talk) 14:12, 17 May 2022 (UTC)
 * Well to start, you idea is not what Wikipedia is for. See WP:NOT for what Wikipedia is not for. ― <b style="background:#0d1125;color:#51aeff;padding:1q;border-radius:5q;">Blaze Wolf</b>Talk<sub title="Discord Username" style="margin-left:-22q;">Blaze Wolf#6545 14:15, 17 May 2022 (UTC)
 * BLAZE WOLF THERES LOT OF TERMS AND CONDITIONS TO CATCH ITS NOT THAT EASILY
 * CAN YOU TRY HOOK ME ON MY SANDBOX I STILL NEED AN ASSIST . TEEDKAAY (talk) 14:30, 17 May 2022 (UTC)
 * Relax, and please dont shout. If you want to know where your sandbox is, it's located at User:TEEDKAAY/sandbox. ― <b style="background:#0d1125;color:#51aeff;padding:1q;border-radius:5q;">Blaze Wolf</b>Talk<sub title="Discord Username" style="margin-left:-22q;">Blaze Wolf#6545 14:31, 17 May 2022 (UTC)
 * Relax, and please dont shout. If you want to know where your sandbox is, it's located at User:TEEDKAAY/sandbox. ― <b style="background:#0d1125;color:#51aeff;padding:1q;border-radius:5q;">Blaze Wolf</b>Talk<sub title="Discord Username" style="margin-left:-22q;">Blaze Wolf#6545 14:31, 17 May 2022 (UTC)

why are my sources not considered reliable?
Hi everyone, my submission was declined due to it was not supported by reliable sources. But I tried to collect well-known reliable independent sources and they have entire articles (not passing mentions) written on the subject of my article. Could you please help me with some more clear information about the references in my article? Why are they not considered reliable and what kind of additional references should be used? Thank you in advanced.```` Krakozjabla (talk) 14:08, 17 May 2022 (UTC)


 * @Krakozjabla Welcome to the Teahouse! I presume you are referring to Draft:TVALB. Reference #1 does not appear to be independent.  Reference #4 states it is a "Artikull i Sponsoruar" (Sponsored article), which means it is not independent.  Reference #3 seems to be very similar, which leads me to believe it is also not independent.  Reference #5 appears to be a press release, which means it is not independent.  Hope this helps, and happy editing! GoingBatty (talk) 14:25, 17 May 2022 (UTC)
 * Note that there are three separate requirements for a source to contribute to notability. It must be reliable (this applies to all sources), it must be independent of the subject (some non-independent sources are acceptable, but they do not contribute towards Notability; and it must contain significant coverage of the topic, not just a routine mention. I haven't looked at them, but judging from GoingBatty's comments, most of your sources are not independent, whether they are reliable or not. ColinFine (talk) 15:47, 17 May 2022 (UTC)

Denied for unreliable/unspecific sources but not sure how I can make it better
I've had my page submission declined by two reviewers now because there were insufficient reliable sources and that the sources I did provide don't prove the subject qualified for a wikipedia article because they don't cover the subject in depth or do anything more than a passing mention. The page is for an academic journal and the sources I have given all point to other websites that discuss the journal specifically and in depth. One of the university's other journals has an already published page with fewer and unspecific sources, so I'm not sure what to change to get this submission approved. Not sure if I can paste the URL for the draft, but here it is. Here is the URL for another journal at the school that has fewer sources and has been approved. Press4forapharmrep (talk) 18:41, 17 May 2022 (UTC)
 * The article on the other journal pre-dates the review process. Had it been submitted today, it would have been rejected, and I won't be surprised if it's deleted within the month. DS (talk) 18:46, 17 May 2022 (UTC)
 * It's worth noting that the second link you have is tagged as needing more sources and possibly not being worthy of an article - maybe what needs to happen is the second one being moved back into a draft? casualdejekyll  18:47, 17 May 2022 (UTC)
 * (ec) Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. Based on your username, I assume that you have an association with the journal involved; please read about conflict of interest and paid editing for information on required formal disclosures.
 * Be wary in citing other articles as a reason for yours to exist, see other stuff exists. That another article exists does not mean that it was "approved" by anyone.  The approval process is only required of IP and new users, and it has not existed the entire time Wikipedia has existed. There are many ways to get an inappropriate article by us.  We can only address what we know about.  If you want to use another article as a model, make sure that it is classified as a good article.
 * Your draft does little more than state that the journal exists, and is only cited to sources associated with the journal. A Wikipedia article about a journal must summarize what independent reliable sources with significant coverage have chosen on their own to say about the journal, showing how it meets the special Wikipedia definition of a notable journal.  Please read Your First Article.
 * We don't need the whole URL when linking to another Wikipedia article, simply place the title of the article in double brackets like this: Joe Biden gives Joe Biden. 331dot (talk) 18:50, 17 May 2022 (UTC)

Salting of Kathy Barnette
So I decided to work on Draft:Kathy Barnette, as when I found it, it was basically blank. I wrote a fairly basic article, and submitted it for review. Almost immediately, the draft was rejected and I learned that Kathy Barnette had been salted. While I'm not at all attached to Barnette or what I wrote, from my perspective, she definitely seems notable as she has been in the headlines CONSTANTLY! I can't seem to get away from her, Barnette this, Barnette that, she's everywhere. I will not be resubmitting the draft for review unless she wins, but I do think a discussion is needed to just talk of the possibility of unsalting Barnette. <span style="font-family:Copperplate Gothic, Ebrima;background-color:OrangeRed;border-radius:7px;text-shadow:2px 2px 4px#000000;padding:3px 3px;"> Physeters ✉ 00:20, 17 May 2022 (UTC)


 * I KNOW RIGHT??? WikiFan2456 (talk) 01:02, 17 May 2022 (UTC)
 * Article titles usually are salted when there have been persistent attempts to recreate the article in question despite an established consensus to the contrary. In this case, you can see the log for "Kathy Barnette" here. The article was discussed at WP:AFD twice and consensus was to "delete and redirect" each time. Since there apparently continued to be attempts to recreate the article despite the AFD results, the title was salted. If you think that salting is no longer warranted, you can discuss your concerns with the administrators who salted the article and see what they say. If they don't respond or still feel the salting is needed, you can follow the other suggestions given in the third paragraph of WP:SKYBLUELOCK. -- Marchjuly (talk) 01:24, 17 May 2022 (UTC)
 * Kathy Barnette does not meet the notability guideline WP:POLITICIAN at this time. If she is elected, then she will definitely be considered notable at that time. Cullen328 (talk) 04:08, 17 May 2022 (UTC)
 * Winning the primary may do it, at least WP:BASIC-wise: Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 12:49, 17 May 2022 (UTC)
 * Though Barnette doesn't satisfy WP:POLITICIAN, I suspect that she does now satisfy WP:PERSON. So, Physeters|, if you do want to appeal the salting, you might read WP:PERSON carefully, decide if she satisfies it, and, if she does, then amass a rather small quantity of excellent references (I suggest no more than five of these) to demonstrate that she does. Marchjuly has explained the rest. But another tip: Hyperbole, boldface and exclamation points would each make your appeal less persuasive. -- Hoary (talk) 08:47, 17 May 2022 (UTC)
 * @Hoary I am already in the process of discussing appealing the salting. It doesn't look like they are going to do it as of yet, but I am still waiting for one major reply. Thanks for the advice about the bold text and hyperbole! <span style="font-family:Copperplate Gothic, Ebrima;background-color:OrangeRed;border-radius:7px;text-shadow:2px 2px 4px#000000;padding:3px 3px;"> Physeters ✉ 09:04, 17 May 2022 (UTC)
 * Courtesy link to AfC Help Desk discussion Zindor (talk) 13:11, 17 May 2022 (UTC)
 * Courtesy link to AfC Help Desk discussion Zindor (talk) 13:11, 17 May 2022 (UTC)


 * I'm surprised it was decided that she was non-notable, as she's getting loads of coverage, even some for not having a wiki article! BeanieFan11 (talk) 17:47, 17 May 2022 (UTC)
 * I find that news article fascinating! To think they have nothing else to talk about except what's happening on Wikipedia. I do think that not having a wiki article on her is a bit of disservice to voters trying to make an informed decision. She has a pretty colored backstory, and it's important for voters to be able to have a non biased source to inform their decisions. <span style="font-family:Copperplate Gothic, Ebrima;background-color:OrangeRed;border-radius:7px;text-shadow:2px 2px 4px#000000;padding:3px 3px;"> Physeters ✉ 19:25, 17 May 2022 (UTC)
 * There's a couple more listed at Talk:2022 United States Senate election in Pennsylvania, see under This has been mentioned by multiple media organizations. WP actually gets a bit of presscoverage: Press coverage 2022. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 19:33, 17 May 2022 (UTC)
 * Well, the afd:s couldn't consider coverage that wasn't published at the time. An editor said once about another case "I'd also add from an intellectual standpoint that I'm not really sure how we should deal with people who's claim to notability comes from us not considering them notable." Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 19:28, 17 May 2022 (UTC)


 * @Physeters I accepted the article. The AfD is no longer relevant - I see so much recent coverage that WP:NBIO is definitely met. Galobtter (pingó mió) 19:37, 17 May 2022 (UTC)
 * The redirect itself has 120000 page views over the past few days, wow. Galobtter (pingó mió) 19:44, 17 May 2022 (UTC)
 * Thank you. I wish that there could have been a consensus in favor of adding the article to the mainspace, and I worry that it will be re nominated for deletion, but if that happens, hopefully the right choice will be made. <span style="font-family:Copperplate Gothic, Ebrima;background-color:OrangeRed;border-radius:7px;text-shadow:2px 2px 4px#000000;padding:3px 3px;"> Physeters ✉ 20:31, 17 May 2022 (UTC)

Pinging?
What's the polite way/avenue to ping a specific user if you have questions for them specifically? Not about a specific article but want to ask them something a user who helped me get a page published told me to let them know what else I might be working on and I wasn't sure what the correct way to do that would be. Chainsawpunk (talk) 20:29, 17 May 2022 (UTC)


 * Hi,, and welcome to the Teahouse! User talk pages are the best way to ask specific users questions. If you'd like to ping a user, you can do so using any of the methods listed in the third paragraph here (though not all of those work in edit summaries). Does this answer your question? Perfect4th (talk) 20:41, 17 May 2022 (UTC)

Creating an article DJ Kelblizz
Hello everyone, please a administrator should help me create this article, I was unable to complete the process Kenpmi (talk) 21:19, 17 May 2022 (UTC)
 * Hello, . That article was deleted in 2019 as a result of Articles for deletion/DJ Kelblizz and has been deleted repeatedly since then. In all honesty, I doubt whether you will be able to find an administrator to help you with that topic. Cullen328 (talk) 21:50, 17 May 2022 (UTC)

Template limit expansion
I have reached the editing limit in my sandbox and can't add to it anymore. Is there any way that I can circumnavigate this problem and continue my expansion? GOMUL13 (talk) 18:55, 17 May 2022 (UTC)


 * @GOMUL13 It appears you've already asked this at Help desk. GoingBatty (talk) 19:01, 17 May 2022 (UTC)
 * @GOMUL13, are you aware that you can create more than one sandbox for yourself? Transferring the content to a second sandbox page might solve your problem. Just be sure that all of this is about (at least eventually) improving the encyclopedia, not purely for the fun of creating massive family trees. 199.208.172.35 (talk) 22:12, 17 May 2022 (UTC)

Inconsistent redirect
How come De Grasse is a disambiguation page, but Degrasse redirects to the article of one particular individual whose surname is actually spelled with a space in the article? Note that the hatnote on that individual's page doesn't even link to the disambiguation page, only to one other individual with the surname (with no space). 70.172.194.25 (talk) 21:42, 17 May 2022 (UTC)


 * Fixed, looks like Degrasse used to redirect to De Grasse but due to some page moves accidentally ended up redirecting to the person. Galobtter (pingó mió) 22:44, 17 May 2022 (UTC)

I am looking for dining venue articles
I am looking for articles on different types of dinning venues for www.northatllife.com that I can submit to them for content. Can anyone point me in the right direction. NorthATLLife (talk) 22:19, 17 May 2022 (UTC)
 * This is not advisable. Linking to your website on articles would likely be reverted as promotional. I'll also point out that, since your username is the name of a website that you represent, it is a violation of username policy since it is a promotional username that implies shared use. TornadoLGS (talk) 22:24, 17 May 2022 (UTC)
 * Am I allowed to use the articles as content while giving credit to the author without linking? 73.184.160.115 (talk) 22:28, 17 May 2022 (UTC)
 * It sounds like you want to populate YOUR website with content FROM WIkipedia, is that right? If so, please read this page thoroughly. Pyrrho the Skipper (talk) 23:22, 17 May 2022 (UTC)

What is Wikipedia
What is Wikipedia 70.48.197.178 (talk) 00:14, 18 May 2022 (UTC)


 * hi ip user! first and foremost, Wikipedia is an encyclopedia that documents our knowledge as a global community, and is free to use for many purposes. for more, see Wikipedia for general information, or Getting Started to learn how to start editing. happy reading! &#128156; melecie   talk  - 00:22, 18 May 2022 (UTC)

Delating
it is okay if someone delate all your edits because of 1 single mistake? Jkma31 (talk) 01:22, 18 May 2022 (UTC)


 * @Jkma31 Hi, no one seems to have deleted your edits. It looks like you are trying to edit Serbian mafia. You can leave an edit request at Talk:Serbian mafia specifying exactly what you want to be changed with the article. Galobtter (pingó mió) 01:28, 18 May 2022 (UTC)
 * Hi @Jkma31. Deletion is not cleanup. Wikipedia guidelines say that Wikipedia edits don't have to be perfect, because someone else can fix it if there are mistakes. Quoting from the guideline:
 * "If the error is minor, then fix it (or at least tag it for clean-up). Perfection is not required, and Wikipedia is built through incremental improvement."
 * So editors are encouraged to fix the mistakes in an edit rather than revert the edit entirely. I.hate.spam.mail.here (talk | contributions) 04:59, 18 May 2022 (UTC)

Withdrawing draft submission
I submitted Draft:Neo-Nazism in Russia top AFC, but I noticed it seems to be linked to discretionary sanctions and I am unsure whether I am potentially violating them by submitting the article. Can I retract my submission of it until I get further information on it? Immanuelle 💗 (please tag me) 23:30, 16 May 2022 (UTC)
 * Hi . I don't believe you're violating anything by submitting an a draft for AFC review. Whether you're draft will be accepted is a different matter all together, but submitting it for review isn't (at least per my understanding) not a viloation of WP:ACDS. The discretionary sanctions notice was automatically added to the draft's talk page when you added a certain WikiProject banner or banners. This is just to let you and others know that the subject area often makes such articles targets for disruption and editors need to be aware that any such editing isn't not going to be tolerated even a little. I think you can simply wait until the draft is reviewed to decide what to do. If it's declined and you feel there's no point in pursuing it, you could blank the page and request speedy deletion per WP:G7. You could also simply abandon the draft, and eventually it will be deleted per WP:G13 after six months have passed. -- Marchjuly (talk) 01:37, 17 May 2022 (UTC)
 * @Immanuelle: I think you should be able to withdraw a pending submission by reverting the edit that added the 'Submission pending' yellow box. I tried it before, and it seemed to work. I.hate.spam.mail.here (talk | contributions) 05:00, 18 May 2022 (UTC)

Former cantons in
Can I add the list of former cantons in the templates of cantons of French departments (like in Template:Cantons of Nord)? See fr:Modèle:Palette Cantons du Nord for example. (I know that most of those articles will be red links, but over the course of time, interested people can make such articles) Excellenc1  (talk) 06:55, 16 May 2022 (UTC)


 * Hello? Excellenc1  (talk) 05:28, 18 May 2022 (UTC)
 * Hello?? Anyone?? Excellenc1  (talk) 07:49, 22 May 2022 (UTC)

How to change a picture
I would like to know how we can change the picture that's in the right block of the page, where all the other important information are briefly mentioned. 185.81.141.149 (talk) 06:46, 18 May 2022 (UTC)
 * Hello and welcome. It would help to know which article you are referring to, and who "we" is. 331dot (talk) 07:18, 18 May 2022 (UTC)
 * Yes, context please. The default thinking is that random pics found online can't be used because copyright, until proven acceptable. More at Image use policy. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 07:48, 18 May 2022 (UTC)

Trying to remove bias and move to criticsm on page.
Hi,

I have been trying to edit the StandWithUs Wikipedia page by asking on the talk page to remove a claim that the org. is right-wing. StandWithUs Unfortunately, despite numerous credible article and sources, the article is slanted, based on bias sources and papers, labeling an educational org. as right wing. A number of the sources were removed due to antisemitism however this main issue is still there. The reality is that it is a non partisan educational organization, and there may be disagreement, that is why I am asking to move this term into the "Criticism" section of the page.

Please help me remove this from page.

Thank you. MtTamlady (talk) 16:37, 17 May 2022 (UTC)
 * WP:PARTISAN would be a useful read for you. PRAXIDICAE💕  16:39, 17 May 2022 (UTC)
 * Hello, . This matter has been discussed extensively at Talk:StandWithUs, and the current consensus is that the right wing descriptor is accurate and well-referenced. Cullen328 (talk) 16:44, 17 May 2022 (UTC)
 * Hello, . Cullen best describes where these discussions should take place but I would like to point out a common misconception about Wikipedia. This surrounds the words "fact" and "truth". Wikipedia is not so concerned with any particular editor's or subject's view of truth or facts. Wikipedia is only concerned with what reliable sources say. It may, in fact, be true that this organization is not "right-wing". But if reliable sources say it is then Wikipedia is going to say it is. Our desire is that Wikipedia accurately summarize what independent reliable sources say about a subject, even if they form the wrong conclusion. Just because something is written doesn't make it more or less true. The opposite is the case too. Current consensus made the right decision in upholding Wikipedia policy.
 * Feel free to add the term and information to the "Criticism" section of the article but this would only solidify the use of it in the lede as the lede summarizes the key points from the article anyway and reliable sources have given more weight to the "right wing" descriptor. -- A Rose  Wolf  17:13, 17 May 2022 (UTC)
 * Thank you so much! MtTamlady (talk) 08:08, 18 May 2022 (UTC)

142.116.50.224
Sir/Madam This person details everywhere in net almost three decades. I gave a riel information about him but you remove so many times. So there is no purpose I am writing again about this person in wiki. Thanks 142.116.50.224 (talk) 23:42, 17 May 2022 (UTC)


 * hi ip user! your question has been answered numerous times (1, 2, 3), but tl;dr please cite reliable sources that are independent of the subject (Referencing for beginners may help too) or else it will still be removed, no matter how truthful it is, it won't be useful without being able to verify that information. happy editing! &#128156; melecie   talk  - 00:17, 18 May 2022 (UTC)
 * You have been adding information to Suresh Joachim for a year, and your additions were reverted by several different editors because you do not provide references to verify th information. In addition, as you only edit about Joachim, you were recently asked on your Talk page to declare what is likely a conflict of interest. Please reply there. David notMD (talk) 08:27, 18 May 2022 (UTC)

(Community) Reassessment of "Good" article
Dear all,

Need your help: Have come across an article which is designated as a "Good article", but seems to be average at best. I have only just created an account with Wikipedia and am at a total loss with the instructions on the Community Reassessment of Good Articles []. The article in question is this one: []. Should I simply list my concerns on the corresponding Talk page? But it's not only about minor issues; compared to other "good" or "excellent" articles on Wikipedia, this one is really lacking.

Thank you for your advice! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sarangayan (talk • contribs) 06:02, 18 May 2022 (UTC) --Sarangayan (talk) 06:21, 18 May 2022 (UTC)
 * This is about Anjem Choudary. If you have concerns, you should express them on its talk page.  Maproom (talk) 07:45, 18 May 2022 (UTC)
 * This was GA listed in 2010 and rassessed, keeping GA, in 2014. Per the top of the Talk page "Anjem Choudary has been listed as one of the Social sciences and society good articles under the good article criteria. If you can improve it further, please do so. [my bold] If it no longer meets these criteria, you can reassess it." [with a link on how to start a reassessment process]. The article has had more than 1,000 edits since 2014. It is definitely longer, but length does not guarantee quality has been maintained. David notMD (talk) 08:39, 18 May 2022 (UTC)

How to make a collapsible box
Basically i went to this article. and i saw a collapsible table on the Classification heading. When i click on it using Visual Editing, i noticed there are two templates inside of it? Collapse top and collapse bottom. i tried the same thing but it didn't work. I can' t attach an image here, so it may not be clear.

Leahnn Rey (talk) 02:43, 18 May 2022 (UTC)


 * Hello @Leahnn Rey, Welcome to the Teahouse! Were you trying to create a similar collapsible box? If so, you may use source editing and copy the exact code from and edit it per your needs. You can learn more about templates from Help:Templates. Hope that helps. Regards. Lightbluerain (Talk💬 Contribs✏️) 08:50, 18 May 2022 (UTC)

How do I edit semi protection pages
I am now an autoconfirmed user, how do I edit semi protection pages, because there is information that is inaccurate on Android (Operating System). BenHDev (talk) 08:50, 18 May 2022 (UTC)


 * hi @BenHDev and welcome to the teahouse! since you are now autoconfirmed, you can edit Android (operating system) directly. happy editing! &#128156; melecie   talk  - 09:03, 18 May 2022 (UTC)
 * Thank you very much :) BenHDev (talk) 09:06, 18 May 2022 (UTC)

Stephen D. Mumford page
i have a request to add to the page about the Population Control expert Stephen D. Mumford. it has come to my attention that he has his own website, called ChurchandState.org. on this website, he makes several claims about the Catholic Church, accussing them of taking over the US supreme court through the organisation Opus Dei, and also accusses them of working with the CIA on Operation Gladio. i am very skeptical of these claims, as i have been unable to find any credible third party sources that confirm this. Omsk346 (talk) 19:48, 16 May 2022 (UTC)


 * Hello, Omsk346. The place to discuss this would be at Talk:Stephen D. Mumford. But I'll say that, in my opinion, unless there has been independent discussion (or at least reporting) of his views, the article should not even mention them. ColinFine (talk) 19:57, 16 May 2022 (UTC)
 * , Mumford seems to be a controversial fringe figure who does not fit in with either the "pro-choice" or "pro-life" factions of the abortion debate in the United States. I am not sure that he is even notable enough for a Wikipedia biography, but I could be wrong. A person's own website can be linked to, and it can be used to cite uncontroversial claims like where they were born or where the went to college. But such a websitevshould not be used for controversial claims about Opus Dei and the Supreme Court and instead that type of content should be cited to reliable, secondary sources that report on and analyze contentious claims like this. Cullen328 (talk) 04:55, 17 May 2022 (UTC)
 * what i meant was that the fact he has such a bizarre website containing unsubstantiated claims that are borderline conspiracy theories should be mentioned. this has nothing to do with my personal opinions on abortion. Omsk346 (talk) 20:44, 17 May 2022 (UTC)
 * @Omsk346 I get a message that the domain name is for sale. 73.127.147.187 (talk) 09:19, 18 May 2022 (UTC)
 * His own C.V. is the reference for the statement that he is a fertility expert. Is this valid? 73.127.147.187 (talk) 09:21, 18 May 2022 (UTC)

Help with biography
Hi there! Im helping to make a biography for my boss in wikipedia. However, it got declined due to not reaching minimum inline citation and it seeming like an advertisement even though I added the sources for the newspaper articles about him. Can anyone help? Irishzambrano (talk) 10:02, 18 May 2022 (UTC)
 * As he or she is your boss, Irishzambrano, I infer that you are being paid by the company and that creating an article is part of your job. This makes you a "paid" editor. Please declare this on your user page. -- Hoary (talk) 11:51, 18 May 2022 (UTC)
 * Hello, Irishzambrano, and welcome to the Teahouse. Like many people, especially those who create articles about people or enterprises they are connected with, you are making the mistake of supposing that what should go into an article about your boss is what he knows, thinks, or says. This is wrong. Wikipedia is not interested in what the subject of an article says or wants to say about themselves, or what their associates say about them. Wikipedia is only interested in what people who have no connection with the subject, and who have not been prompted or fed information on behalf of the subject, have chosen to publish about the subject in reliable sources. You need to remove all sources that are about the restauant and not about him, all sources that derive from him or the company (including interviews and articles from press releases and announcements) and all sources that are merely routine mentions. If there are any sources left that are wholly independent of him, and discuss him in some detail, then you can write an article based on what those sources say. One of the reasons why writing with a conflict of interest is harder is that you will have to forget everything you know about him, and write solely based on what those sources say. ColinFine (talk) 12:19, 18 May 2022 (UTC)

wiki passion
how to kick start as wiki editor 218.248.0.1 (talk) 10:43, 18 May 2022 (UTC)

rwewe 218.248.0.1 (talk) 10:44, 18 May 2022 (UTC)


 * What do you hope to kick-start? -- Hoary (talk) 11:53, 18 May 2022 (UTC)
 * hi ip user! you can read on the task center to see how you can contribute to the encyclopedia. I'd advise starting with something like categorization or copyediting, simple tasks that would probably be easy for most people to do. happy editing! &#128156; melecie   talk  - 12:00, 18 May 2022 (UTC)
 * WP:TUTORIAL. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 12:39, 18 May 2022 (UTC)

Regarding Wikipedia editor
Hi,

I want to become a Wikipedia editor.

Can any one help me or describe the process ?

Mrnirajkalyan (talk) 10:32, 18 May 2022 (UTC)


 * Hello @Mrnirajkalyan. You have created an account, and are hence already a registered 'editor'. The links given in my welcome message on your talk page should help you go about. If you have any questions, please do ask. <span style="font-family:Segoe print; color:#FF8C00; text-shadow:skyblue 0.5em 0.5em 0.5em; font-weight:bold">Kpddg  (talk)  10:44, 18 May 2022 (UTC)
 * @Mrnirajkalyan, try WP:ADVENTURE and WP:TUTORIAL. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 12:40, 18 May 2022 (UTC)

How can we request for semi protection of unprotected Wikipedia pages?
As an autoconfirmed user, how can we request for semi protection of unprotected Wikipedia pages? BenHDev (talk) 11:48, 18 May 2022 (UTC)


 * hi @BenHDev! first, please read up on the rough guide to semi-protection so that you can know where it applies. then if you're certain the article does meet the criteria, you can submit it to Requests for page protection to be considered. happy editing! &#128156; melecie   talk  - 11:57, 18 May 2022 (UTC)
 * Thank you for the clarification! :) BenHDev (talk) 12:06, 18 May 2022 (UTC)
 * @BenHDev, who are "we"? I'm asking per WP:NOSHARE Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 12:38, 18 May 2022 (UTC)
 * I said autoconfirmed users. All I wanted clarification, nothing else. BenHDev (talk) 12:40, 18 May 2022 (UTC)

Draft: Hripsime Yelinyan
Hello, I'm new to Wikipedia, and I created a page for singer Hripsime Yelinyan. My article was rejected. Can someone help me Grigdan84 (talk) 10:24, 18 May 2022 (UTC)


 * Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. Your article was not rejected, which means it has no hope of being accepted. It was declined, which means it needs more work. All the information you need is provided in the decline notices at the top of the draft and the blue links therefrom. You would also benefit from reading WP:YFA. Good luck! Shantavira|feed me 13:29, 18 May 2022 (UTC)

Deleting an article
Hi, I've nominated Rana temporaria temporaria for deletion but I don't know how to get a deletion discussion page? I thought it did it automatically but when I check the page it doesnt have it. I don't want it to be automatically deleted in case I'm wrong. Fourdots2 (talk) 09:56, 18 May 2022 (UTC)
 * Hi,, welcome to the Teahouse. I've actually removed the prod; i think you'd be better suited creating a merge proposal on the talk page of the article. The articles for deletion process might have been what you intended to use, as that does create another page, but would likely result in either it being kept or an alternative to deletion. The proposed deletion is for uncontroversial deletions and doesn't create another page. Hope that helps, Zindor (talk) 10:32, 18 May 2022 (UTC)
 * , the article Rana temporaria temporaria does nothing to explain how its subject differs from that of Common frog. I think there's a strong case for merger or deletion. Maproom (talk) 14:25, 18 May 2022 (UTC)

Images
Hello, I am looking to add images of work by Alan Shields to my recently published first article. I am not really sure where to start. How can I know what is okay to upload? I also am looking to upload portraits and images of work for several other drafts that I'm working on: Jusaburō Tsujimura, Sal Salandra, Marsha Cottrell, and Sara Penn. Could anyone help me with where to look for license free images of these individuals and additionally their work? How can I best approach this. Thank you Chainsawpunk (talk) 03:51, 18 May 2022 (UTC)
 * Hi . You can find some general information on uploading images at Wikipedia:Image use policy, but how an image can be used on Wikipedia depends upon its contextual relevance and its copyright status. If you're the copyright holder of the images you want to upload, you should be able to upload these as your own work under a free license that Wikipedia accepts. If you're not the copyright holder, then you can't upload the image under a free license without the WP:CONSENT of the copyright holder. In some cases, you may be able to upload an image as non-free content, but this can be tricky and Wikipedia's non-free content use policy can be quite restrictive. You also need to be careful of claiming an image as your own work. For example, File:Alan Shields J + K 1972.jpg which you uploaded to Commons isn't 100% your own work; what you did was take a photo of someone else's creative work (i.e. create a WP:Derivative work) which means there may be two copyrights that need to be taken into account: one for your photo and one for the photographed work. In addition, simply taking a photo of someone else's 2D artwork is often not considered sufficient to generate a new copyright for the photo as explained here. If you're planning on taking photos of other works of art to use on Wikipedia, you might want to take a look at c:COM:CB for some general guidance. As for pictures of people, generally pictures of persons who are still living need to be released under a free license that Wikipedia accepts because non-free images of still living persons are pretty much never accepted. -- Marchjuly (talk) 04:22, 18 May 2022 (UTC)
 * Is there a specific place I can go to or look for free content or license free images? Also, I notice that you specified 2D–does it make a difference that the artwork in question is actually intended to be 3 dimensional? Chainsawpunk (talk) 14:27, 18 May 2022 (UTC)

Deletion/blocked
I saw on Serbian mafia page there is something going on,1 or 2 older editors/administrators demolished and deleted all sourced contents-(a lot) on article page,sayng that contents wasn't sourced or poorly sourced which is absolutely lie. Another reason to block and delete sourced contents was that the user was already blocked couple months ago,because he didn't knew how to source contents,being new in this.after he learned was everything sourced and pretty good done as beginer,his edits were already proved by many editors,even fixed typos and added citations.So my question is what can be done against bad editors/admins that are doing unright things? Like for example deleting sourced contents,blocking new users for no reason? Jkma31 (talk) 13:55, 18 May 2022 (UTC)
 * Hello and thanks for stopping by today.  Are you referring to the page Serbian mafia?  If so, disputed content should be discussed at Talk:Serbian mafia.  There are many reasons why content may be removed from a Wikipedia article, and merely "having a source" is not a sufficient reason to keep content from being removed.  Per Wikipedia policy on inclusion of material, when content is challenged, "While information must be verifiable for inclusion in an article, not all verifiable information must be included...The onus to achieve consensus for inclusion is on those seeking to include disputed content."  Since you are challenging the removal, it is your responsibility to first establish consensus before restoring the removed content.  I don't know why the content was removed, but if you ask on the article talk page, the people who removed it can probably present some good reasons.  Your next step would be to ameliorate their concerns by fixing the problems they have with the added content, perhaps by posting a proposed draft to the article talk page that fixes the problems with the removed text.  This is not a fast process, it can take some weeks or longer, but honestly it is worth it as it produces a better written, more reliable encyclopedia.  -- Jayron <b style="color:#090">32</b> 14:04, 18 May 2022 (UTC)
 * @Jkma31, it seems User:ZnatNepo23892 was blocked for using multiple accounts, harassment and persistent addition of poorly sourced, poorly written content. There also appears to be block evasion in the mix. As long as you use the talk page to discuss things and work out problems, you should be all right. Sourcing on Wikipedia can be complicated and difficult - WP:RS is a long read, I know, but give it a shot, and if you have more questions, we can answer them here or point you to where they can be answered. 199.208.172.35 (talk) 14:35, 18 May 2022 (UTC)

how to add a new organization article in Wikipedia?
I wanted to add an article with the name of an old cultural organization that people search on Google for the right information but Wikipedia deleted it a few times.

@Saiful7072 Saiful7072 (talk) 16:11, 18 May 2022 (UTC)


 * Hello @Saiful7072. Welcome to the Teahouse. What is the name of the organisation? If it has been deleted a few times before, it has probably already been decided that it fails to meet our essential criteria on notability for businesses - see this page to learn about the criteria. If you can furnish three independent, detailed, in-depth references to articles that talk about that organisation that haven't been seen before, then there might be a chance of a page being permitted for it. But without three really good sources, we would probably view any attempt at recreating that page as PROMOTION, and it would most likely be deleted again. Sorry about that, Nick Moyes (talk) 16:21, 18 May 2022 (UTC)

Not a question
Not a question but a thank-you for a quick and positive response to my submission. It's thei first time in years I've created a Wikipedia page and was quite rusty. A swift and friendly rejection was encouraging and I fixed a number of issues after refreshing my memory about Wiki protocols etc.  Collardoscope (talk) 18:12, 18 May 2022 (UTC)


 * Assuming this is about Draft:Rónán Hession — there is already an article about him at Mumblin' Deaf Ro. You should help to improve that, rather than trying to create a duplicate article on the same subject. Maproom (talk) 18:41, 18 May 2022 (UTC)
 * But 'Mumblin Deaf Ro' is not the author's real name. He is far better known as a novelist now so I feel he should have a Wikipedia entry under his real name. His critically acclaimed first novel is the second-biggest seller from any UK independent publisher. My aim (please advise if this is unacceptable) is to create a new entry under his real name which links to the Mumblin Deaf Ro site. Isn't that a good thing to do? He is far better known today under his real name than by his musical pseudonym. Collardoscope (talk) 23:31, 21 May 2022 (UTC)

Wikipedia Resource Request
I have a resource request I am thinking of submitting at WP:RX at the The Wikipedia Library. I would like access to the CRC Handbook of Chemistry and Physics which is a very important reference for mathematics, physics, chemistry, and biology. I do not have access through my university. Is there a way to obtain access to the CRC handbook as a Wikipedia editor? Ideally, I could access the database through the Wikipedia Library database portal if CRC Press, Taylor & Francis Group partnered with Wikipedia. I realize this may be unrealistic, is there a way to find a pdf of CRC handbook, ideally the one with all the database material up to the 102nd edition? I have come to WP:TEA because I'm not sure what if WP:RX is for database requests.ScientistBuilder (talk) 18:44, 16 May 2022 (UTC)
 * The Wikipedia Library (of which I'm a member) does give access to Taylor & Francis, although applications may be limited in numbers so you might have to wait. I don't have such access so I don't know if the CRC Handbook of Chemistry and Physics is one of the items you could then reach. There is an online version at this URL, which does allow searching but I've never used it so I'm not sure how much data you can retrieve without an account. At one time, the Handbook's publishers didn't allow non-commercial use of data from the handbook (see old discussion at WT:WikiProject_Chemistry/Archive_20) but I don't know the current position. There are loads of old editions available relatively cheaply as hard copy from your favourite online retailer! Mike Turnbull (talk) 16:14, 17 May 2022 (UTC)
 * I am the coordinator of licenses to Wikipedia's T&F package. Michael Turnbull invited me to answer your question as it relates to T&F. I am afraid I can only give you a tentative answer: The package almost certainly does not give access to the CRC Handbook. I cannot give a definitive answer because T&F no longer has a coordinator with Wikipedia on the package. And despite my own and Sam Walton's request directly to relevant personnel at T&F we haven't had a list of the material provided in our package for several years. Here's what happened: Originally, T&F provided access to selected T&F journals in each of three groups: Earth sciences/natural history, Art and Humanities, and Defense and strategic studies. I have PDFs for the journals in those groups. Applicants were permitted to apply only for one of the groups. Then the Wikipedia Library cut over from the process of sending approved editors to a representative of the partners to simply approving an editor and having the application automatically sent (and filled) by the partner. When that cutoff took place, T&F dropped the three groups division. They also more or less stopped having communication with me (and perhaps everybody else at Wikipedia). I have no reason to believe that T&F expanded the journals when they dropped the divisions. And I have regularly asked approved editors to let me know what kinds of journals are available. This leads me to believe that the available journals are what I have in my PDFs. I have also verified that the package does not contain ebooks. (It did not when their were divisions as well.) So while I cannot say for certain, I would be as near certain as possible that it does not have access to the Handbook. (1) The science articles in the last list I have do not include Chemistry or Physics subjects. (2) No ebooks have been found either in the PDFs or by editors with current access. (3) T&F has twice refused to increase the number of journals or the areas it provides access to. Accordingly, my conclusion. Sorry for the long rambling explanation. But you now know as much (or little) as I do. AnthroMimus (talk) 19:41, 17 May 2022 (UTC)
 * I also endorse Michael Turnbull's suggestion for old copies, so long as you don't need state-of-the-art cutting edge data. If you live near a college, university or good public library that has book sales, you are likely to be able to pick up last year's copy very cheaply. Every year I get the next newer one for a couple of bucks that way. Cheers. AnthroMimus (talk) 19:45, 17 May 2022 (UTC)
 * Thank you for taking the time to respond. As I understand, the Chemnet database is not open to letting Wikipedia editors have access despite contact.
 * Note that the URL for the database that I supplied above is not the same as the one in your post. Mine does allow access and search but I'm not sure how much data can be extracted once the search has obtained hits. I used "ethanol" and "boiling point" to test the system. I can't help with your other questions except to suggest you join the Wikipedia Library, assuming you meet the criteria for doing so. It is an incredibly useful resource even if the T&F part is not ideal. Mike Turnbull (talk) 19:07, 18 May 2022 (UTC)
 * I hope they will share the knowledge with Wikipedia editors soon or far in the future. ScientistBuilder (talk) 19:45, 17 May 2022 (UTC)
 * I have the 75th edition in a big copy through my university, its the database format that I would like to use for online search and access @AnthroMimus@Michael D. Turnbull ScientistBuilder (talk) 19:46, 17 May 2022 (UTC)
 * I would like to request access to another database Oreilly Media, which has the art of computer programming by Donald Knuth. This is related to Addison-Wesley and Pearson Books. I am wondering if there a place on Wikipedia to ask about expanding database access. ScientistBuilder (talk) 01:28, 18 May 2022 (UTC)
 * I am also wondering how likely corporations are in general to enable open access. @AnthroMimus @Michael D. Turnbull ScientistBuilder (talk) 01:29, 18 May 2022 (UTC)
 * I used to have a printed copy of "Knuth". I don't think I still have it; I'm not sure.  There were interesting articles such as how to efficiently sort a dataset using three reel to reel tape drives to store intermediate results.  Fun stuff. 73.127.147.187 (talk) 09:15, 18 May 2022 (UTC)

Can you create a new Wikipedia page?
I need to know if you can create brand-new pages because i noticed that you have not got one on the 2022 Eurovision Song Contest Theme, The Sound Of Beauty. So I want to do one. WikiFan2456 (talk) 00:53, 17 May 2022 (UTC)


 * hi @WikiFan2456 and welcome to the teahouse! there is already an article on the 2022 Eurovision Song Contest, and I don't think themes of ESCs are given their separate articles. if there's lots of notable discussion on the theme, I'd advise you to put it on the existing eurovision article first, as writing an article is very tricky to do. happy editing! &#128156; melecie   talk  - 00:59, 17 May 2022 (UTC)
 * Thanks! Can I ask you, do you watch Eurovision yourself? WikiFan2456 (talk) 01:00, 17 May 2022 (UTC)
 * , whether or not a given editor watches or does not watch a song competition is utterly irrelevant here. This is not a fan site. This is an encyclopedia that summarizes what published reliable independent sources say about a topic. "Watching the show" is not a qualification for editing. Cullen328 (talk) 04:16, 17 May 2022 (UTC)
 * OK! SORRY! WikiFan2456 (talk) 19:22, 18 May 2022 (UTC)
 * It's possible that some of the editors who discuss at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Eurovision watch the thing. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 10:48, 17 May 2022 (UTC)
 * Thank you! WikiFan2456 (talk) 19:22, 18 May 2022 (UTC)

Edit Request for a Protected Page
Hello, I have no idea of the protocols for Wikipedia or the terms often used however, there is a page about that I would like to request is edited to reflect my most recent collaboration with Kenton Cool for his recording breaking 16th summit of Mount Everest.

The page is as follows, Teddy McDonald and I have placed the information with an independent reference on the 'Talk' page but, I think there is a problem because I have not 'signed' the request? Please could an editor make the edit for me? Thank you, Teddy McDonald. 46.208.151.49 (talk) 17:37, 18 May 2022 (UTC)


 * I responded to the request on the Talk Page and made the edit. Pyrrho the Skipper (talk) 18:30, 18 May 2022 (UTC)
 * @Pyrrho the Skipper - I marked the request template as answered for you. GoingBatty (talk) 19:38, 18 May 2022 (UTC)
 * Oops, thank you! Pyrrho the Skipper (talk) 19:40, 18 May 2022 (UTC)
 * Thank you, appreciated. Teddy. 46.208.151.49 (talk) 19:55, 18 May 2022 (UTC)

Info Boxes
How do you make info boxes on Wikipedia? Extremeophile (talk) 20:28, 18 May 2022 (UTC)
 * Hi and welcome to Wikipedia editing. As a newcomer, I don't think you should worry about creating new infoboxes, as you face a steep learning curve simply learning to contribute according to policies and guidelines. There are loads of existing infoboxes, and their use is explained at MOS:IB, with the list of existing ones at WP:IB. There are places linked from there where you can suggest new ones, in the unlikely event that you can't find something suitable. Mike Turnbull (talk) 20:58, 18 May 2022 (UTC)

The images do not match the description on mobile devices
Hello I am new to Wikipedia and I do not know where to put this. Images like the one below might be difficult to understand on mobile devices.

File:IMAGE PROBLEM ON MOBILE DEVICES.jpg

The images do not match the description on mobile devices. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:646:9A80:EA0:15B0:E5D6:8DB8:A254 (talk) 04:30, 15 May 2022 9UTC) (UTC)
 * It appears to be a collage of six unrelated images (and the captions don't all go clockwise). Why would you want to put it anywhere? Maproom (talk) 21:12, 18 May 2022 (UTC)
 * I think the IP is saying that the collage here displays the pictured way on a mobile phone, and the captions no longer match up. I don't have access to a mobile phone so I can't check. 199.208.172.35 (talk) 21:16, 18 May 2022 (UTC)
 * Yep, see discussion here. But the problem was apparently fixed. 199.208.172.35 (talk) 21:20, 18 May 2022 (UTC)
 * (ec)It appears this is already resolved at Talk:The Anthropocene Reviewed with a re-write of the description. Whether they actually add to the article is a different matter.Slywriter (talk) 21:20, 18 May 2022 (UTC)
 * Radagast (the Brown?) saves the day. I've shuffled the picture to the right so it doesn't interfere with comment indenting. 199.208.172.35 (talk) 21:29, 18 May 2022 (UTC)

Creating new articles about something
do I create new article about something in my user page? In sandbox? Jkma31 (talk) 14:26, 18 May 2022 (UTC)


 * @Jkma31 Welcome to the Teahouse! Short answer: You can create a user sandbox page (e.g. User:Jkma31/sandbox) to work on a new article.
 * Long answer: Creating a new article is one of the hardest things to do on Wikipedia, especially if you do not have a lot of experience editing Wikipedia. To learn how to edit, you could view Help:Introduction and The Wikipedia Adventure.  I suggest spending a significant amount of time editing existing articles to hone your skills.  Once you're ready to create an article, you would gather multiple independent reliable sources that have provided significant coverage of the subject, and determine whether it meets Wikipedia's criteria for inclusion, called "notability".  If so, you could follow the instructions at Help:Your first article, and be prepared for a process that may include months of waiting, rejections, and rewrites, before an article is created.  Hope this helps, and happy editing!  GoingBatty (talk) 14:46, 18 May 2022 (UTC)

Where can I create new wikipedia article page about criminal organization? (stil not existing on wikipedia) Jkma31 (talk) 14:46, 18 May 2022 (UTC)


 * @Jkma31 See my response above, and refer to the specific notability guideline at Notability (organizations and companies). GoingBatty (talk) 14:48, 18 May 2022 (UTC)
 * All that true, and WP:YFA for guide to creating a draft, which when properly referenced, can be submitted to Articles for Creation for a review and decision. David notMD (talk) 23:19, 18 May 2022 (UTC)

Israel/Palestine naming
Hello,

Regarding the Mandaeans and Mandaeism articles, there have been anonymous editors using IP addresses in Arab states or Israel or USA that change Palestine to Israel and vice versa regarding Mandaean origins. What is the correct naming policy regarding Israel/Palestine in a historical context from the 1st Century on Wikipedia? I tend to use the name as found in the source, Israel, Palestine or both but I want to make sure I am following the correct rules.

thanks, Mcvti (talk) 22:36, 18 May 2022 (UTC)
 * The academic consensus is to use Palestine instead of Israel. This is Palestine (region), not the State of Palestine or Palestinian territories. Back then, there were Palestinian Jews and the modern-day conflict did not exist. Nebulousquasar (talk) 23:57, 18 May 2022 (UTC)

How may I remove my Wiki page immediately
This is Sabrina, June Preston's daughter. My Mom just passed away May 11th. I just received the first obit from the editor of The Hollywood Reporter June Preston, who did an outstanding obituary of her life with his professional resources. This is what should be on her Wiki page, not the negative connotations and misinformation that was put on there to minimizing her careers. I'm sorry but that is what her page has become. I want to remove her Wiki page completely because it is simply inaccurate. I rather not have her on Wiki at all than have people reading what is on there now, which they will as the obits start coming out. Please let me know how to remove it, do I call someone? the drop down on "More" only lets me Move, not delete.

June Preston Opera June Preston RKO Film Star Idoonie (talk) 18:01, 17 May 2022 (UTC)
 * Wikipedia requires neutrality which means we summarize the good and the bad. I can't see any reason this should or would be taken down but your only option is to send it to AFD. PRAXIDICAE💕  18:02, 17 May 2022 (UTC)
 * The article went to AfD back in January, the result was "keep". 199.208.172.35 (talk) 18:07, 17 May 2022 (UTC)
 * Also, as others have asked you numerous times before on your talk page and elsewhere, please outline what in her article is incorrect. PRAXIDICAE💕  18:04, 17 May 2022 (UTC)
 * A large number of very experienced editors have worked on the article, it appears to be accurate, neutral and notable you have said "negative connotations and misinformation that was put on there to minimizing her careers" but you fail to give precise details, the article is extremely unlikely to be deleted. Please also note that it is not your "Wiki page", it is Wikipedia's article about June Preston. Theroadislong (talk) 18:08, 17 May 2022 (UTC)
 * @Idoonie: I'm sorry that your mother passed away. I know how sad this can be, because my own mother passed away a few months ago. That said, Wikipedia articles should be written neutrally with reliable sources. Unfortunately, official sources like the subject's social media profile can only be used to verify basic facts. If you have concerns about the content, you can leave a message on the talk page (which I see you've already did) to inform others of the issue. You may use the template to get the attention of other editors who may be able to implement the edit for you. Thanks.
 * And for the missing "Delete" option in the menu, only admins have the ability to delete pages. Hope this helps. I.hate.spam.mail.here (talk | contributions) 04:55, 18 May 2022 (UTC)
 * Thanks for your kind words and my condolences to you as well.
 * So all the authentic 1930's-1960's "Reliable" published Newspapers I uploaded to the web which is online and show the publication name, country, date, page, critic's name on it, reviews/interviews/ads including photos of her in the paper, cannot be used as a source and reliable information? These are credible newspapers that were published. So how does anyone propose a person get these digitized so it can be sourced? They are from all over the world and some not even in rotation any longer. It makes no sense, it's a published piece of work and that in itself is credible.
 * You know, I worked over 2 months, day and night uploading these vintage newspapers, translating them, and placing them each year/tours for the people at wiki to make it easy for them to find sources, with amazing photos, programs, contracts etc. I wouldn't have bothered if no one views credible published newspapers as a source.  Anyway, I hope at the least some of them will take a moment out of their busy lives to look at her Pinterest Board to see what is being missed by not using these reliable published newspaper articles. But it's fine... Thanks again!
 * June Preston Opera Idoonie (talk) 23:44, 18 May 2022 (UTC)
 * @Idoonie: Well-respected newspapers should be reliable. WP:NEWSORG says
 * "News reporting from well-established news outlets is generally considered to be reliable for statements of fact (though even the most reputable reporting sometimes contains errors)." I.hate.spam.mail.here (talk | contributions) 00:26, 19 May 2022 (UTC)

There is already quite an involved discussion involving multiple editors related to many of the things you mentioned above taking place at Talk:June Preston. Trying to hold a similar discussion here at the Teahouse or on any other Wikipedia pages is, at this point, counterproductive and likely just going to lead to confusion. If you've haven't already done so, please look at the discussion taking place on the articles talk page and post comments there if you like. There's not much more that can be done here at the Teahouse since ultimately everything is going to end up needing to be resolved on the article's talk page. -- Marchjuly (talk) 01:03, 19 May 2022 (UTC)

Draft:Tomoharu Ushida
Hi, recently my draft has been declined. I would like to ask anyone help me to make it better to meet a standard for official Wikipedia page. Thank you. Shalom777br (talk) 19:17, 9 May 2022 (UTC)


 * @Shalom777br – All I can say is: revise it to meet the general notability guideline, and, since it's a biography, WP:ANYBIO. Traditionally, it means that all statements should be covered with reliable, secondary sources. In addition, multiple outlets must cover it significantly. You may also want to use find general sources and read WP:BLP since the article is a biography. Thanks. — 3PPYB6 — T ALK — C ONTRIBS  — 19:45, 9 May 2022 (UTC)
 * Thank you for your advise. By the way, do you want to write about Tomoharu Ushida instead of me, to delete my article and publish yours? Thank you for your attention. Shalom777br (talk) 20:15, 9 May 2022 (UTC)
 * @Shalom777br Hello and welcome to the Teahouse! I would advise not to ask any specific editor to create an article. However, you can request one at requested biographies. Nobody may pick up your article, but there's a better chance than just asking somebody. Have a good day/night!
 * Asparagusus  (interaction)  21:58, 9 May 2022 (UTC)
 * Thank you for your advice! I put my request at requested biographies by nacionality (Japan). Have a good day too. Shalom777br (talk) 22:38, 9 May 2022 (UTC)
 * Shalom777br, posting at requested biographies would almost certainly be a waste of your time. ("Requested articles" is a depressing sight, studded with proposed vanity articles.) Your draft looks promising. I haven't clicked on any of the links you provide in the references, but some of these look promising too. I imagine that much of the writing about Ushida uses bland/gushy terms such as "excellent", "precocious", "inspirational", "perceptive", etc; however, some music criticism goes beyond this, saying what it is that makes a performance excellent, inspirational, etc. See if you can find some intelligent, informative criticism of his playing, and try to summarize this criticism and add it to your draft. -- Hoary (talk) 00:01, 10 May 2022 (UTC)
 * Thank you for your advice. How about this one?
 * https://www.gramophone.co.uk/blogs/article/the-chopin-piano-competition-day-eight-what-s-in-a-name
 * Shalom777br (talk) 13:33, 10 May 2022 (UTC)
 * This article has been created in multiple other languages Tomoharu Ushida. I'm pretty sure it's notable enough to be in Wikipedia. --Deansfa (talk) 19:44, 12 May 2022 (UTC)
 * After having a closer look, are you the one who creates the article in each version of Wikipedia?  . Be careful about doing this, this is not especially recommended. --Deansfa (talk) 19:49, 12 May 2022 (UTC)
 * Just to clarify for any new users, an article existing in other-language Wikipedias doesn't necessarily mean it meets the inclusion criteria for English Wikipedia. Zindor (talk) 19:58, 12 May 2022 (UTC)
 * Just to clarify for any new users, an article existing in 30 other languages has 99% chance to meet inclusion criteria here. Except if this article has been created in all these languages by the same person (which is the case here). --Deansfa (talk) 14:43, 13 May 2022 (UTC)
 * @Deansfa Why is that not recommended? Is there a WP policy or essay on that?  Just wondering. 73.127.147.187 (talk) 05:58, 13 May 2022 (UTC)
 * @Deansfa I am still curious. When you said "Be careful about doing this, this is not especially recommended" -- is there a policy or essay on this? Also when you say the article might be notable "Except if this article has been created in all these languages by the same person (which is the case here)".   Why is that?  I would like to learn.  73.127.147.187 (talk) 05:17, 14 May 2022 (UTC)
 * I.P, i can see two reasons why it wouldn't be ideal. If there are issues with the version on one wiki it will bring those problems to all the other language wikis it is published at. Secondly, some subjects are treated in more depth in other languages, so a major aspect of the subject could be missed because only one language's sources are used; this can actually result in people being offended. This is a bit of non-issue when it comes to notability however because assessing notability by looking at whether it is included in other languages is an unreliable method (and i'm not sure why Deansfa is extolling the virtues of it). It's best to just assess against our actual inclusion criteria. Zindor (talk) 19:55, 14 May 2022 (UTC)
 * It's not recommended because it's obvious that it will be an automatic translation in some language. The article in French is totally garbage, the first sentence of the biography is not grammatically correct (no verb). The second sentence uses a tense we don't use for biographies, the other sentences have a strong flavor of automatic translation (weird expression, nonsense, etc). --Deansfa (talk) 23:54, 14 May 2022 (UTC)
 * @Zindor Well, if there happen to be NO issues with one version on one wiki, that's a good thing!
 * @Deansfa And yes, automatic translation is always bad. I suppose very few people are actually fluent in many, many languages... but the policy is, or should be, geared toward "not using automatic translations" rather than "do not create the same article in many language Wikipedias".  You made it sound like a real policy, and I hadn't seen one -- but I understand the potential issues.  Thanks. 73.127.147.187 (talk) 06:44, 15 May 2022 (UTC)
 * @Deansfa I would like to ask one more time (last try):  you said "It's not recommended because...".  Where is it not recommended?  @Zindor, is there a policy or an essay that I can refer to?  Thanks. 73.127.147.187 (talk) 03:58, 17 May 2022 (UTC)
 * Hi, I.P. The 4th paragraph down at WP:WAX is directly relevant. Zindor (talk) 04:09, 17 May 2022 (UTC)
 * @Zindor OK, thanks for that info! 73.127.147.187 (talk) 09:31, 17 May 2022 (UTC)
 * @Zindor Hmmmm. The section starts with two italicized paragraphs, then a sentence in small font, then some bulleted points.  Then some prose paragraphs.  The 4th prose para starts with "Sometimes arguments are made" and it has nothing to do with why one editor should not create articles in multiple languages -- it is all about what not to say in a deletion debate.   I see that the fifth prose paragraph says not to compare an article, in a deletion debate, with articles in other languages.  It says nothing about creating articles, so it doesn't seem to apply.
 * Maybe this "policy" is not documented anywhere.  I will bow out now. 73.127.147.187 (talk) 08:57, 18 May 2022 (UTC)
 * 73.127.147.187, i was being a rogue and not considering single sentences as paragraphs, there is however only one paragraph that talks about other language wikis. Deansfa's point is very valid and blends two ideas WP:CIR (which despite not mentioning translation is exactly what you're searching for) and WP:MACHINE. Regardless, the advice here often comes from experience and not being written down elsewhere doesn't invalidate it. Regards, Zindor (talk) 09:40, 18 May 2022 (UTC)
 * Why don't you ask other people for help? This is the Teahouse, after all! I am happy to help! WikiFan2456 (talk) 19:27, 18 May 2022 (UTC)
 * Ah, so it's not a written policy or essay. And I can see how blending CIR and MACHINE could get you there.  I just wanted to know how much that was based on written guidance, and how much on editor opinion.  Now I know.  Thanks. 73.127.147.187 (talk) 01:13, 19 May 2022 (UTC)

Who was that lady?
I can't get to the target page to kill the Redirect, which goes to an old TV show. The title should actually be reserved for the joke setup "Who was that lady I saw you with last night? That was no lady; that was my wife!" I'm sure there are enough sources to make an article, but nobody can do so because the Redirect hies the editor off to something entirely different. Thanks. BeenAroundAWhile (talk) 20:50, 17 May 2022 (UTC)
 * Hi . Although clicking on Who was that lady rediects you to Who Was That Lady?, there's link to the redirected page right below "From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia" at the very top of the target page. You can also use Template:No redirect to get to pages that have been redirected. -- Marchjuly (talk) 21:03, 17 May 2022 (UTC)
 * . I don't think you should force a new article into the existing page at Who was that lady (sentence case and no question mark), even though you technically could. We don't "reserve" titles like that and the redirect is currently doing a useful job for the existing article Who Was That Lady? (with capitalisation, italics and the question mark). If you want to draft a new article about the joke, you could use the articles for creation process, with any renaming/redirecting sorted out once it was accepted. Perhaps your new article would be better as Who was that lady I saw you with last night? in any case. Mike Turnbull (talk) 15:48, 18 May 2022 (UTC)
 * Yes, good points, Michael D. BeenAroundAWhile (talk) 01:14, 19 May 2022 (UTC)

Draft:Robert Chevalier


Hello! My draft about an Argentine award-winning author has been declined. However, the article was reviewed and accepted in Wikipedia in Spanish since it meets all the requirements to be in this encyclopedia.

The comment the reviewer left was: "Overreferenced in Career section. Generally 2-3 citations is the maximum. It is unclear if the Distinctions is referenced." Nevertheless, absolutely everything is referenced with reliable sources (in fact, if it is overreferenced it is because that was the requirement for the article about a living person to be accepted in Wikipedia in Spanish, with several types of reliable sources, but I didn't know the requirement in Wikipedia in English was different). And, as for the distinctions, of course each and every one of them is also referenced with reliable, independent and verified references.

Do I have to remove some of the references and then resubmit? Is there anything else I need to do to get my article accepted? I hope you can answer me and help me as I want to translate other articles for this Wikipedia (I've been editing in Spanish). Of course, if somebody wants to help editing this draft to get accepted and reviewing the translation is wellcome.

Thank you in advance, Best regards Moskafe (talk) 00:12, 19 May 2022 (UTC)
 * @Moskafe: Welcome to the Teahouse. Be aware that each Wikipedia project (e.g., the English Wikipedia, the Chinese Wikipedia) are separate projects, and policies that one may have may not be present in the other. English Wikipedia tends to have more stringent policies, especially in regards to notability, so how it is in Spanish might not be accepted here. "Overreferencing" is covered in Citation overkill, and may sometimes be seen as throwing out poor references in an attempt to get it to pass. Usually two (or three) is the maximum for citing information. — Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 00:52, 19 May 2022 (UTC)
 * Hello! Thanks for the answer. However this is not my case. So, do I have to remove some references? They are not poor but what do you reccomend?
 * And what about the distinctions? There are many references... Moskafe (talk) 00:59, 19 May 2022 (UTC)
 * @Moskafe - I didn't check all the references, but reference #3 is not independent (it's an interview) and references #40-42 do not seem independent (publisher or just online store?). Happy editing! GoingBatty (talk) 01:08, 19 May 2022 (UTC)
 * Thank you so much! I'll delete them, and resubmit. Moskafe (talk) 01:17, 19 May 2022 (UTC)
 * I went looking through the first 6 references and only one of them would be considered reliable the rest are press releases, blogs or announcement style reporting, none of which meet our standards of reliable sources you need to only use sources that are written by a third party on their own accord and provide significant coverage of the subject. McMatter (talk)/(contrib) 01:24, 19 May 2022 (UTC)

Suggestions on what I should do to get published an article about microwave barriers
Goodmorning, I wrote an article about Microwave Barriers & Sensors https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Bistatic_Microwave_barrier and was rejected with this comment "I'm not sure what this is... an essay? original thought? I just know its not an encyclopedia article and it is unclear what is trying to be expressed to a reader." I am writing here to ask to someone more expert than me if could please help me in understanding what this sentence means and what are the changes i should implement in order to make the article suitable for wikipedia. Could anybody help me finding issues that should be solved? Thanks in advance for your time and suppor Annaas98 (talk) 10:29, 17 May 2022 (UTC)


 * @Annaas98 I have very little understanding of your topic, but possibly you could get some useful input if you ask at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Electronics or Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Physics. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 10:45, 17 May 2022 (UTC)
 * I think the draft is not about barriers to microwaves, but about motion detectors used to detect intruders. It is hard to understand. It says "Microwave sensors are motion devices that transmit a designated area with an electronic field". So it seems that they don't necessarily involve microwaves. I've no idea what "transmit ... an area" means. And I doubt there is such a thing as an "electronic field". Maproom (talk) 11:59, 17 May 2022 (UTC)
 * Per Electronic field production there surely must be. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 12:46, 17 May 2022 (UTC)
 * A Pseuds way of saying "on location" then, yes? -Roxy the grumpy dog . wooF 20:50, 17 May 2022 (UTC)
 * Much of the content has no refs, and is not in enyclopedia tone (no "we"). David notMD (talk) 01:34, 18 May 2022 (UTC)
 * @Annaas98 Why is a motion detector called a "barrier"?  As @Maproom says, it is a weird article, with phrases like "These barriers are immune to atmospheric conditions, such as fog, rain, snow and sandstorms because the wavelength of the transmitted electromagnetic energy of the detector is much greater than that, ..." Much greater than what?  Do fog and snow have wavelengths? 73.127.147.187 (talk) 09:37, 18 May 2022 (UTC)
 * Sort of? Wavelength vs particle size determines how light interacts with things - see Rayleigh scattering, for instance. Microwave wavelengths are very long, though radio is the longest. 199.208.172.35 (talk) 15:23, 18 May 2022 (UTC)
 * I see what you mean; I sort of guessed that something along those lines might have been the intention. "... is much greater than the wavelength that would be blocked by rain, fog, etc."?? The referent to "that" is certainly not clear.  73.127.147.187 (talk) 01:29, 19 May 2022 (UTC)
 * I see what you mean; I sort of guessed that something along those lines might have been the intention. "... is much greater than the wavelength that would be blocked by rain, fog, etc."?? The referent to "that" is certainly not clear.  73.127.147.187 (talk) 01:29, 19 May 2022 (UTC)

Accidentally posted a draft!
I am used to making drafts and working on them over time until they are published, I guess I can now post them straight, after I had two drafts approved and published yesterday? I started a draft on Greg Colfax KlaWayHee today and it published immediately... Is there a way for me to make this private again so that I can work on it before it is published? Do I have to delete it? How can I delete it? Chainsawpunk (talk) 20:44, 18 May 2022 (UTC)


 * Hi, ! It looks like Lizardcreator has moved the page back to draft space for you. Happy editing! Perfect4th (talk) 20:58, 18 May 2022 (UTC)
 * Thanks! And thanks ! Chainsawpunk (talk) 21:00, 18 May 2022 (UTC)
 * Note that an experienced editor who is one of those who can accept drafts that go through the WP:AFC process has indicated (at the top of the draft) that he would be happy to accept it into Mainspace as-is. So don't be shy about moving it back there as soon as you're happy to do so. It can be developed by you (and others) in either location but readers will be more likely to find it within the main encyclopaedia. Mike Turnbull (talk) 21:06, 18 May 2022 (UTC)
 * Okay! Theroadislong, if you're satisfied we can switch it back over! Chainsawpunk (talk) 03:39, 19 May 2022 (UTC)

Afd Immediately Closed without comment
I have question regarding an afd being closed. I just nominated Matt Conable for AFD. I cited reasons for doing so, which you can view here. It was immediately reverted and closed by another user. There was no feedback. In the past, there's normally feedback or even criticism if I've made a mistake. In this case, neither occurred. If I made a mistake, I would be happy to correct it, but I don't know if I did or I didn't. Can someone take a look? Megtetg34 (talk) 04:13, 19 May 2022 (UTC)


 * The AFD is not closed, it is still listed here and is open. The AFD notice on the article was removed; I have gone ahead and reverted that. In checking the contribution history of the editor that did this, they closed the AFD and then within a minute self-reverted most of it, but neglected to restore the AFD tag on the article. <b style="color:#034503">MB</b> 04:31, 19 May 2022 (UTC)
 * Thanks! I appreciate you explaining it to me. Megtetg34 (talk) 04:52, 19 May 2022 (UTC)

Translate wiki.net
I need a tutorial video on translatewiki.net and the incubation process, Thanks.Jwale2 (talk) 13:53, 18 May 2022 (UTC)
 * Hello . Thanks for stopping by to ask this question! That website is unaffiliated with the Wikimedia Foundation or any of its projects.  I did some looking around that website, and on the front page there is a link to a Support Desk.  You should probably direct your question there.  -- Jayron <b style="color:#090">32</b> 13:57, 18 May 2022 (UTC)
 * I only just figured this out myself, based on a question here the other day about fixing the markup on Fante translatewiki Project, but there is some kind of association between Wikimedia and TranslateWiki (info here). That's all i know though, the rest is a mystery. Zindor (talk) 14:35, 18 May 2022 (UTC)
 * It appears that TranslateWiki was developed by some of the people associated with the development of MediaWiki, the open-source software that runs Wikimedia Foundation projects; but TranslateWiki is run by an unrelated organization, being Software in the Public Interest. A similar relationship exists between Fandom (website) and the WMF; there are some of the same players involved, but they are and have always been independently run organizations.  Simply put, TranslateWiki is still not part of WMF, and we really don't support it here.  Perhaps a random Teahouse host will also be a regular at TranslateWiki and could answer the OP's question, but I still stand by my recommendation that the OP ask at their own dedicated support desk for help.  -- Jayron <b style="color:#090">32</b> 14:51, 18 May 2022 (UTC)
 * @Jayron32 There's slightly more of a connection than that, the WMF uses translatewiki to translate all the default system messages in mediawiki. If you want to start a project in a new language these days one of the requirements is that you've uploaded translations of all the important system messages to translatewiki, see the second point of Language proposal policy. I assume this is what OP is talking about since they reference incubation. I agree translatewiki is a better place to ask though. 163.1.15.238 (talk) 15:05, 18 May 2022 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the clarification! -- Jayron <b style="color:#090">32</b> 15:07, 18 May 2022 (UTC)
 * @Jwale2 There's a help page on meta with some links to help pages on translate wiki, is there anything there that helps? Meta:meta:Babylon/Translations I can't find any video tutorials though, sorry. 163.1.15.238 (talk) 15:19, 18 May 2022 (UTC)
 * Thanks to everyone one for the support.Jwale2 (talk) 06:10, 19 May 2022 (UTC)

Help removing random line breaks
Can someone please help me remove the weird line breaks in this blockquote. I think it has something to do with the notes I added.

"Whose labour is in the bowl? was it of artist Mys or of Myron? Is this Mentor's hand, or, Polyclitus, thine? No darkness gives it a dull leaden hue, nor is it a cloudy mass that shrinks from assaying fires. True amber is less radiant than its yellow ore, and the fine frosted silver surpasses snow-white ivory. The workmanship yields not to the material: even so the moon rounds her orb when she shines in fullness with all her light. There stands a he-goat prankt in the Aeolian fleece of Theban Phryxus; by such his sister would more gladly have been borne; such a goat no Cinyphian barber would deform, and thou thyself, Lyaeus, wouldst consent to his cropping thine own vine. A Love in gold, two-winged, loads the back of the beast; the pipe of Pallas sounds from his tender lips; in such wise the dolphin, blithe with the burden of Methymnaean Arion, bore him, no unmelodious freight, o'er tranquil seas. Let no hand from the master's crowd of slaves, only thy hand, Cestus, first fill this peerless gift for me with fitting nectar; Cestus, the banquet's pride, mix thou the Setine: the very boy, the very goat, methinks, is athirst. Let the letters of Istantius Rufus' name assign their number to our measures of wine, for he was the source to me of so proud a gift. If Telethusa come, and bring her promised joys, I will keep myself for my mistress, Rufus, by drinking your  four  measures; if she be doubtful, I shall while away the time by seven; if she fail her lover, then, to throttle care, I will drink both your names."

Thanks, 𝕱𝖎𝖈𝖆𝖎𝖆 (talk) 05:44, 19 May 2022 (UTC)


 * Done. Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 07:29, 19 May 2022 (UTC)
 * added &#128156;  melecie   talk  - 09:16, 19 May 2022 (UTC)

hi
69.164.136.2 (talk) 12:49, 19 May 2022 (UTC)


 * Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. Did you want to ask a question? The Tips   of   Apmh  12:51, 19 May 2022 (UTC)

Unblock request
I can't create my account on Wikipedia also I can't edit any draft or neither I can create a new draft on my IP Whats happening can you please help? 2409:4060:2E03:88F8:996E:B5C7:9FCE:E6DD (talk) 16:07, 19 May 2022 (UTC)
 * You can request an account via this link. PRAXIDICAE💕  16:09, 19 May 2022 (UTC)

"Markierung: 2017-Quelltext-Bearbeitung"
When I write something on top of an article, it always shows "Markierung: 2017-Quelltext-Bearbeitung". You can see this e.g. on the page Neuro-oncologie from May 12, 2022, 19:59. Could you support how I can remove this? Regards, Wname1 (talk) 17:21, 19 May 2022 (UTC)


 * Hi @Wname1 and welcome to the Teahouse. That appears to be the German equivalent of "Tag: 2017 wikitext editor"; the latter is what I see when I look at your contributions. I don't believe it's possible to prevent relevant tags from appearing next to your contributions (though I may be wrong, and am open to correction). I'm quite confused about why it's not appearing in English for you, though. Maybe there's a language setting for that somewhere. 199.208.172.35 (talk) 17:29, 19 May 2022 (UTC)
 * Here is the page on MediaWiki that talks about the 2017 wikitext editor. Not something I've ever used myself. 199.208.172.35 (talk) 17:40, 19 May 2022 (UTC)
 * I found the site now. Thanks for the information from the Teahouse, now I see user:1234qwer1234qwer4 on my discussion page. Regards, Wname1 (talk) 17:58, 19 May 2022 (UTC)

TV Infobox Broken
Can someone fix whatever is wrong with the Infobox TV? It gives the error Lua error in Module:Infobox_television at line 106: bad argument #1 to 'find' (string expected, got nil). It also has the same error message in the infobox itself, however there it says to match rather than to find, and line 284 rather than line 106 Danstarr69 (talk) 13:33, 17 May 2022 (UTC)


 * @Danstarr69 Welcome to the Teahouse! Are you referring to Template:Infobox television?  Where are you seeing the errors?  GoingBatty (talk) 13:55, 17 May 2022 (UTC)
 * GoingBatty Whenever I try to put the template on an article, whether as a shortcut, or the entire text, those errors appear. Danstarr69 (talk) 14:14, 17 May 2022 (UTC)
 * @Danstarr69 What is the name of the article where you are trying to add the template? GoingBatty (talk) 14:15, 17 May 2022 (UTC)
 * GoingBatty it's got nothing to do with the article. The TV template is broke. I tried to add the entire template text last night (when I was half asleep) to a rough stub article I was thinking about creating, like I usually do when I add templates. However after adding the release date, I noticed the errors so I thought I must have done something wrong. Then I deleted the date, and the errors were still there. Then I blanked the page, and added the shortcut instead, and the errors were still there. Today, I've just started a draft for a random article which doesn't exist, and tried again to post the template, but again those errors are still there. I suspect it's something to do with the edits on the template in March and April. Danstarr69 (talk) 14:25, 17 May 2022 (UTC)
 * @Danstarr69 I just pasted the whole template to User:GoingBatty/sandbox and don't see any errors. Could you please provide an example where you see the errors? GoingBatty (talk) 14:32, 17 May 2022 (UTC)
 * GoingBatty I'm starting to think that it only appears on new articles, as I've just pasted them both on articles which already exist and the errors don't appear.
 * However on articles which haven't been published yet:
 * The line 106 error appears at the top of the main article.
 * And the line 284 error appears inside the infobox on the right. Danstarr69 (talk) 14:45, 17 May 2022 (UTC)
 * @Danstarr69 Here are the steps I followed, and I don't see an error:
 * Searched for "BoopBoop" to confirm there is no article of this name.
 * Clicked on the redlink BoopBoop to start editing the article using the source editor (not VisualEditor)
 * Copied the empty template from Template:Infobox television
 * Pasted the empty template to BoopBoop.
 * Clicked "Show preview" and I don't see any errors.
 * Did NOT click "Publish page".
 * What process are you performing? GoingBatty (talk) 14:56, 17 May 2022 (UTC)
 * Hi,, by not-published do you mean draftspace? I've tested the blank template (even went as far as publishing) at Draft:Sandbox with no errors. I think a pressing question here is are you populating any of the fields in the template with information? Zindor (talk) 15:04, 17 May 2022 (UTC)
 * Zindor I did the same steps as GoingBatty, yet for some reason it's only showing me these errors on unpublished articles, and not you two. I don't even know what all that Lua stuff even means. Danstarr69 (talk) 15:10, 17 May 2022 (UTC)
 * A Lua module is a lightweight server-side program which handles the more complex operations of the template. The error "line 106: bad argument #1 to 'find' (string expected, got nil)" made me think that either a parameter had been filled with non-parsable characters or that the template was using some kind of magic word (Pagename etc) to populate a string but this was being inhibited by being in the wrong namespace. Both those theories now seem wrong however. Zindor (talk) 15:18, 17 May 2022 (UTC)
 * GoingBatty I did the same, and the errors always appear.
 * However I've now just pressed publish on the empty article so I could show you, and the errors don't appear anymore now it's been published.
 * If someone wants to delete it, they can, however I'll be updating that one, or re-creating it later today anyway.
 * Here it is, with the errors magically disappeared after publishing One Pair of Eyes (TV series). Danstarr69 (talk) 15:06, 17 May 2022 (UTC)
 * GoingBatty and Zindor.
 * By the way, the errors can only be seen when I switch from source editing to visual editing. Danstarr69 (talk) 15:12, 17 May 2022 (UTC)
 * Danstarr69, I feel like we've come across a similar issue before at the Teahouse. I'm sure we'll have an answer for you once we rack our brains. Zindor (talk) 17:09, 17 May 2022 (UTC)
 * I can't find anything directly relevant in the Teahouse or Help Desk archives. @Danstarr69, the tech experts tend to hang out at WP:VPT, you might want to try asking over there. 97.113.167.129 (talk) 23:47, 19 May 2022 (UTC)

Creating new article
Can somebody look on my page, I'm trying to create new article, I don't know if I did everything right Jkma31 (talk) 23:27, 19 May 2022 (UTC)

I am new here, trying to create new article,can somebody with experience take a look on my page if I did everything right? Jkma31 (talk) 23:36, 19 May 2022 (UTC)
 * Wrong place. Right now, your draft content is on your User page User:Jkma31. Use WP:YFA to start to create a draft, and then move all of the content from your User page to the draft. David notMD (talk) 00:05, 20 May 2022 (UTC)
 * Secondly, but more importantly, an article Serbian mafia already exists, with overlap with your content. It describes "Groupa Amerika" as Serbian. I do not know if there is enough content on that (your spelling "Grupa Amerika") to warrant a separate article. David notMD (talk) 00:11, 20 May 2022 (UTC)

New article
What is next step after creating new article in Draft? Jkma31 (talk) 00:45, 20 May 2022 (UTC)


 * hi @Jkma31 and welcome to the teahouse!
 * firstly, you should prove that this group meets the Notability for organizations, which is required for inclusion on the encyclopedia.
 * you should check out Writing better articles to get the hang of encyclopedia writing, as so far your article doesn't read much like a neutral encyclopedia entry with words such as . checking out pages of similar topics such as Sicilian Mafia may also be a good idea.
 * you'd also have to attach your inline citations to statements: for example, there's a quote that cites from an Italian report, but which one?
 * you can also use to easily hold data on the organization instead of having to struggle with tables
 * there's probably more that can be done with this, including someone else checking if the sources are appropriate (since I am not qualified to check the validity of sources), but here's what I can give. happy editing! &#128156; melecie   talk  - 01:22, 20 May 2022 (UTC)
 * ...oh, and I just realized you have already asked a question above and I would echo the same response: would everything that can be told about the Grupa be better off being placed in Serbian mafia? (by the way, you don't need to start another section for each question you have, you can just continue your discussion in the same section by pressing [ edit ] or the [ reply ] button) happy editing! &#128156; melecie   talk  - 01:27, 20 May 2022 (UTC)
 * ...oh, and I just realized you have already asked a question above and I would echo the same response: would everything that can be told about the Grupa be better off being placed in Serbian mafia? (by the way, you don't need to start another section for each question you have, you can just continue your discussion in the same section by pressing [ edit ] or the [ reply ] button) happy editing! &#128156; melecie   talk  - 01:27, 20 May 2022 (UTC)

Wikidata?
What does it mean when you get a notification that an article has been connected to a Wikidata item? Chainsawpunk (talk) 19:34, 19 May 2022 (UTC)


 * Hi, Chainsawpumk. I don't know about the notifications. But Wikidata is another Mediawiki project, which aims to be a database of information (including links between items). Most Wikipedia articles are associated with the corresponding Wikidata item - if you are using a standard skin, you'll see "Wikidata item" in the side bar, and you can pick it. Links between Wikipedia articles in different languages are usually done through Wikidata too.
 * So the message means that the article in question is now listed in an appropriate Wikidata item - either there already was one, or one has just been created to support the article. ColinFine (talk) 20:45, 19 May 2022 (UTC)
 * @Chainsawpunk Welcome to Teahouse! You usually will get notified who made a link between Wikidata and your article. Sometimes a human editor does it for you, especially when they link it to other language Wikipedia articles about same topic. The most common bot for linking to Wikidata) is User:Pi bot, which creates a bare bone wikidata item. You can read more how that specific bot works here: d:Requests for permissions/Bot/Pi bot 19. Happy editing! ~ 🦝 Shushugah (he/him • talk) 01:42, 20 May 2022 (UTC)

Help with Login
Hello Teahouse People,

I have not used Wikipedia for some time. I would now like to make some additions to "Rudy Buttignol".

However, I forget my username, password and even the gmail that I used. I even tried to set up a new Wikipedia account and confused myself even more!

I appreciate any help from you kind and helpful Teahouse folks.

Thank you.

Sofiabrampton 2604:3D08:447F:AEA0:0:0:0:8071 (talk) 02:41, 20 May 2022 (UTC)


 * This question was also asked at the Help Desk: . ClaudineChionh (talk – contribs) 03:22, 20 May 2022 (UTC)

Should 2 really long obituaries be included in a biography article, word-for-word?
Please look at this section. The entire thing is two long obituaries, cut-and-pasted. I looked for some guidance on this and couldn't find a good answer. But it seems to me that it's probably a violation of copyright or plagiarism or something. I just don't know what. Fred Zepelin (talk) 02:58, 20 May 2022 (UTC)


 * I dont know about Wikipedia policies, but already having a biography, instead of adding obituaries, we can include the information as a section in the main biography, written encyclopedically. I dont think it violates copyright (it being ~77 years old), but it is indeed plagarism. Wikipedia does not encourage word-to-word copying from sources. Narutmaru (talk) 07:32, 20 May 2022 (UTC)
 * On the contrary,, 77 is too short for the copyright to have expired. Today, most of the Western jurisdictions use a "70 years after author’s death" copyright. In the case of US works published in 1945, there is a trick due to a previous requirement to register for copyright, but assuming the copyright was renewed as appropriate by the journal, the rule is 95 years after publication (see List of countries' copyright lengths, scroll down to the table, row "United States"). That would mean the articles become public domain around 2040. [Insert here my usual rant about how copyright terms are absurdly long because of lobbyists from the entertainment industry and they should be shortened drastically]
 * I will soon remove the obituaries and request revdel as per Copyright_violations. Tigraan <span title="Send me a silicium letter!" style="color:">Click here for my talk page ("private" contact) 08:35, 20 May 2022 (UTC)
 * @Fred Zepelin Wholly inappropriate. Find something new and informative within each obituary, then just quote and cite them with a bit of an intro to them both. Nick Moyes (talk) 08:17, 20 May 2022 (UTC)
 * Yes, I agree with what's been posted above. The obituaries probably should be summarized and not copy-pasted verbatim. I don't think it's WP:PLAGIARISM per se since they're being attributed, but it might be a WP:COPYVIO and it's not really in accordance with MOS:QUOTE. I've asked about this at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Military history and also asked an administrator who works in resolving copyvios to take a look at things. Perhaps it will be sorted out fairly soon. -- Marchjuly (talk) 08:30, 20 May 2022 (UTC)
 * The obituaries were added by in May 2012 and August 2019. Jazzbeard is still an active editor, so I've notified here by this comment. Personally, I agree that incorporating obituaries complete is not appropriate, whereas facts in the obituaries can be incorporated into the article. David notMD (talk) 08:42, 20 May 2022 (UTC)
 * UPDATE: Obits removed while under copyright review. David notMD (talk) 08:58, 20 May 2022 (UTC)

Article declines
Hello all, my article draft has been declined twice now even after revamping it. I would like to ask if anyone here can help me make it better to meet a standard for the official Wikipedia page? At this point, I do not know if the references supplied are the main issue or the content itself based on the feedback I received. Your help will be greatly appreciated.

Thank you. Rnewenergy5 (talk) 09:27, 20 May 2022 (UTC)
 * Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. Wikipedia is not a place for companies to tell the world about themselves, what they do, and what they consider to be their own history. It is a place to summarize what independent reliable sources say on their own(not through announcements or press releases) about those things, showing how it meets the special Wikipedia definition of a notable company. It's usually very difficult for a company representative to do that, as they must set aside everything they know about the company and all materials it puts out, only writing based on what others say. Niche industry awards aren't typically mentioned unless the award itself is notable and has an article itself (like Academy Award). 331dot (talk) 09:50, 20 May 2022 (UTC)
 * Hello 331dot, thanks for your warm welcome and thanks for explaining thoroughly, it more clearer now as to why it was flagged advertorial. Rnewenergy5 (talk) 10:05, 20 May 2022 (UTC)
 * @Rnewenergy5 As a paid editor (and thank you for declaring that), you should already know enough about how Wikipedia works to resolve these issue and also how to format Draft:Axxela correctly. Why should we do your work for you for free?
 * Just show here the three (no more, no less) links to independent citations which you know clearly demonstrates WP:NCORP, and explain why they do. We might then be able to tell you if you are right or wrong. The other links to insider business magazines, awards etc are irrelevant to notability, and just read like an advert for the business. We don't permit WP:PROMOTION here, and accept articles based on Notability alone Nick Moyes (talk) 09:50, 20 May 2022 (UTC)
 * Hello Nick, thanks for your reply. Since the first time the article was declined, I have been reading more links shared to know more about Wikipedia's policies and stuff but was confused at some point, but replies like this throw more light on the matter.
 * I must say, I do not think I'm able to provide three links to independent citations that clearly demonstrates WP:NCORP, at the moment. As such, I won't mind if you can help do the work, and advise on the cost for this? Rnewenergy5 (talk) 10:27, 20 May 2022 (UTC)
 * @Rnewenergy5: If you're unable to find a decent number of independent reliable sources, perhaps it's too soon for the company to have an article. — Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 13:05, 20 May 2022 (UTC)
 * Hello Tenryuu, thanks for your response, I just keep leaning new stuffs and I am glad I brought bring my issue here. In that case, permit me to research three links that I feel demonstrates WP:NCORP and share here as Nick earlier advised.
 * Thanks in advance for your patience. Rnewenergy5 (talk) 14:26, 20 May 2022 (UTC)


 * Per all of the above replies, one thing to remember is that nearly all declined drafts or deleted articles at Wikipedia are because of problems with the subject of the article, not the quality of writing. The barrier to entry is the amount of reliable and independently written source text that exists about a subject matter.  At Wikipedia, this is often known by the term d'art "notability", but what this is really about is a test to see if we can actually create an article at Wikipedia where the text of that article is trustworthy and verifiable.  Insofar as some subject matter for an article doesn't have sufficient reliable and independent text written about it already, it is difficult for us to create an article about it.  Most of the time, there is nothing that can be done about this; the source text either exists or it doesn't.  No amount of editing of an article, cleaning up the tone or the quality of the writing, will make source texts appear.  I hope that makes sense.  If you're genuinely interested in contributing to Wikipedia, it's probably better to spend time doing smaller work than creating new articles.  Cleaning up grammar and spelling problems, rewriting existing text, finding sources for existing articles, that sort of thing.  Creating a new article, which is compliant with Wikipedia's standards, is hard.  -- Jayron <b style="color:#090">32</b> 14:29, 20 May 2022 (UTC)

How to resubmit a rejected draft after asking permission to do so...and no response.
Hello all! A recent draft that I submitted was rejected. I understand that I cannot resubmit, even with significant changes, w/o the reviewer's permission (which I have asked for). Are there any other options or suggestions? thank you! AvonMooch (talk) 15:10, 20 May 2022 (UTC)
 * The best thing to do is just accept it and move on. The reviewer may not feel your changes are adequate and simply does not want to beat the dead horse. If you truly feel the reviewer grossly erred, you can start a community discussion at WP:AFCHD, but in my opinion that wouldnt change anything. 331dot (talk) 15:17, 20 May 2022 (UTC)

Show an outline around an area on a map
Hello, how do I make the map show an outline around an area as seen here:

Klipriviersberg Nature Reserve

I tried copying the template but it doesn't work here:

Umtiza Nature ReserveThanks

Maqdisi (talk) 14:45, 20 May 2022 (UTC)


 * @Maqdisi I see you asked the same question a few hours earlier at Help desk. Sometimes it takes a few hours to receive a good response. Please ask your question at either the Teahouse or Help desk - but not both at once.  Thanks!  GoingBatty (talk) 15:23, 20 May 2022 (UTC)

Submission not notable
I was getting feedback saying my article for creation was biased. After going through the first round of edits and removing all of the biased information, the comments now say my article is not on a notable subject. While there may not be a ton of information available on the subject, I do believe the article is notable. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:DIT-MCO Gage98 (talk) 19:34, 19 May 2022 (UTC)
 * - Draft:DIT-MCO currenty has four refs, and most deal with its history of ownership. Can you find more that are about what makes the company notable? As in now, not back when it was making speakers for drive-in movie theaters? David notMD (talk) 21:29, 19 May 2022 (UTC)
 * Yes, I will work on having more current information cited. Thank you! Gage98 (talk) 19:19, 20 May 2022 (UTC)
 * - Here are some more sources to use to source the history. [] [][][] It's not a sexy business, but nonetheless could use more recent coverage. Remove the markets served from the lead, and use Hughes Network Systems as an example of a good succinct lead and a good article where every single statement is sourced. <b style="color:#7F007F">TimTempleton</b> <sup style="color:#800080">(talk) <sup style="color:#7F007F">(cont)  22:58, 19 May 2022 (UTC)
 * Thank you for finding these! I will work on updating with this information. Gage98 (talk) 19:20, 20 May 2022 (UTC)

Help on creating my first article
Is there someone with more experience that would help me on creating my first article? I followed all rules written my own text with reliable sources,i stil have a lot of material to add on article but there are many rules about editing so i am doing slowly, I am new here. Jkma31 (talk) 02:56, 20 May 2022 (UTC)


 * Instead of asking essentially the same question many times, please read the answers that you have already been given above. ClaudineChionh (talk – contribs) 03:27, 20 May 2022 (UTC)
 * And on your Talk page. David notMD (talk) 08:29, 20 May 2022 (UTC)
 * Blocked as a sockpuppet. 199.208.172.35 (talk) 20:27, 20 May 2022 (UTC)

Election Map
From inspect element, how do you upload a map? Pennsylvania2 (talk) 17:31, 20 May 2022 (UTC)


 * Hi @Pennsylvania2 and welcome to the Teahouse. Your question is a bit confusing - I know "inspect element" is something you can do in a web browser, but I can't think of what it would have to do with uploading a map to Wikipedia. Do you mean maps like the ones here? 199.208.172.35 (talk) 17:56, 20 May 2022 (UTC)


 * @199.208.172.35 Like the one on 2020 Pennsylvania Attorney General election where you customize county by who won. You go under inspect element and allows you to change colors, but how do you upload to Wikimedia. Pennsylvania2 (talk) 18:19, 20 May 2022 (UTC)
 * @Pennsylvania2, my experience with .svg files is limited, but once you've changed the colors as desired, I think you'd need to save a copy to your computer and then upload the copy to Commons (I see you know how to upload images, so I won't explain the process). Looks like someone has already done this with that very map, based on its history at Commons. 199.208.172.35 (talk) 18:30, 20 May 2022 (UTC)
 * That's about right from what i can tell. It's probably easier to chase the file down at commons first and view the source code on its own, copy the html and paste it into a basic text editor, then change the classes for each element (class relates to color), then save as .svg and upload to Commons. Zindor (talk) 19:05, 20 May 2022 (UTC)


 * @Zindor How do you remove background when uploaded? I upload with transparent background, but it shows white in back. Thank you.Pennsylvania2 (talk) 19:20, 20 May 2022 (UTC)
 * I'd hazard a guess the white bg occured when you converted to .png before upload. Not sure of the specifics of your situation, there are tools online that will strip whitespace from .pngs, but as Maproom says they are .png previews in the article. If you save as .svg like we suggest there shouldn't be a problem i hope. Zindor (talk) 19:49, 20 May 2022 (UTC)


 * , the map you see at 2020 Pennsylvania Attorney General election is not an SVG, it's a PNG. It's automatically created from the SVG at Commons which you can reach by clicking on it. If you want to change its details, you'll need to download the SVG from Commons, make your changes (some recommend Inkscape, I find it easier just to use a simple text editor like Notepad++), and click on "Upload a new version of this file". I see that you have recently uploaded a PNG and a JPG to Commons, but no SVG. Maproom (talk) 19:44, 20 May 2022 (UTC)


 * I tried it as an .svg under File: Sample Map 2.svg, but it is still showing a white background. Is there a reason for that? Thank you so much for your help! Pennsylvania2 (talk) 20:39, 20 May 2022 (UTC)
 * not sure, maybe try defining background-color:transparent Zindor (talk) 20:51, 20 May 2022 (UTC)
 * (not Pennsylvania2, but I'll reply anyways: The firt nested element in File:Sample_Map_2.svg ( causes the white background. if you want a transparent background, you can delete that line. Victor Schmidt (talk) 20:55, 20 May 2022 (UTC)
 * Ah i see, thanks, that makes sense Zindor (talk) 21:08, 20 May 2022 (UTC)
 * , the map you started with, File:2020 Pennsylvania Attorney General Election.svg, was a nice sensible compact SVG, 39K in size, and easy to work with, with labels like 'label="Greene, PA"' so you can find each county and change its colour. The thing you uploaded was 257K in size and 1470 lines long, with no easy way of finding what any of it does. It combines the worst properties of raster and vector formats, being bulkier then either, and harder to edit than either. My guess is that you used Inkscape to convert the former to the latter. Please don't ever do that again, at least while I'm around. There is a faith-based view that SVG files are always better than raster files like PNG and JPG. That's true of well-constructed SVGs, but very far from true if the SVG files are created by the method you used.
 * Now that I've calmed down a bit — I advise you to download the map from commons, and edit it with some simple text editor. Where you see something like
 * Now that I've calmed down a bit — I advise you to download the map from commons, and edit it with some simple text editor. Where you see something like

,
 * change the "fill" value from #d75d5d to #7996e2, save it (with a new name if you like), and look at the result in your browser. You'll find that Greene County has become more Democratic; and the file is of course just as compact and readable as it was.
 * There's an unrelated issue, which doesn't bother me at all, but may exercise the copyright police at Commons. When you uploaded the SVG file there, you described it as your "own work". It isn't your own work; it's derived from the map you started with, and you need to give due credit to the creator of that map. Maproom (talk) 21:24, 20 May 2022 (UTC)


 * Thank you! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Pennsylvania2 (talk • contribs) 21:28, 20 May 2022 (UTC)
 * Do not meddle in the affairs of img formatting wizards, for they are subtle and quick to anger. 199.208.172.35 (talk) 21:34, 20 May 2022 (UTC)

hello there, greetings of the day/. my article got rejected
article https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Draft:Smiley_Children_Society got rejected after adding data based on citations, can some one add a point - still in what ways  it can be modified, thanks in advance Prudhvimoses (talk) 03:01, 20 May 2022 (UTC)
 * Hello, . Your draft which is Draft:Smiley Children Society did not  get rejected. It got declined, which is a very different thing. Please read WP:THREE, and post here links to your three best independent reliable sources (no more) that devote significant coverage to the Smiley Children Society. Do not post any sources that are not reliable, not independent and do not devote significant coverage to that society. All those sources must meet those three standards. Cullen328 (talk) 06:04, 20 May 2022 (UTC)
 * , it appears that your name and the name of the society's founder are very similar. This raises conflict of interest issues. Please read WP:COI and, without delay, follow the instructions for declaring your conflict of interest. Thank you.--Quisqualis (talk) 23:23, 20 May 2022 (UTC)

How do I see the list of articles I’ve created sorted by number of views?
I remember accessing a page where I could see a list of articles I’ve created ordered by the number of individual views they had. Can someone point me to that page? Thank you, Thriley (talk) 00:57, 21 May 2022 (UTC)
 * Hi,, welcome. You can find that tool here. Zindor (talk) 01:39, 21 May 2022 (UTC)
 * Thank you! Thriley (talk) 02:06, 21 May 2022 (UTC)

foreign wikipedia page
if a wikipedia page exists in another country/ language, can we duplicate it here? or do we have to re-write it? GoldLion247 (talk) 02:04, 21 May 2022 (UTC)


 * @GoldLion247 Welcome to the Teahouse, and thanks for asking! Please see the guidelines at Copying within Wikipedia. ClaudineChionh (talk – contribs) 02:13, 21 May 2022 (UTC)
 * there's also Translation which guides in translating text from between different language wikipedias. happy editing! &#128156; melecie   talk  - 04:35, 21 May 2022 (UTC)

Is familytree.js deprecated
I have been trying to get User:Daduxing/familytree.js to work for help editing family trees and have not managed to get it to show up despite putting it in my common.js page and attempting to bypass my cache by pressing ctrl+f5. I am looking at the left of the page when editing family trees and seeing none of what is supposed to show up in the documentation Immanuelle 💗 (please tag me) 22:58, 20 May 2022 (UTC)
 * AFAICT the script only pops up in editing mode (I just tested it). Also, you should probbably switch the inclusion to


 * because importScript; is deprecated, not compatible with the mobile site, and might be removed by the devs at any time. If it still doesn't work, please look into the browser's console and check if there are any errors. Victor Schmidt (talk) 05:04, 21 May 2022 (UTC)
 * @Victor Schmidt I got it working. Unfortunately it does have a few errors though, but it's helpful Immanuelle 💗 (please tag me) 05:59, 21 May 2022 (UTC)

confusion de-orphaning articles
Hello, I have a question about de-orphaning articles:

I have checked some orphaned articles and some of them already have links to them in year pages (ex: births in 19xx)

I want to know that these articles are still considered orphaned? or just someone forgot to remove the orphanage template? A.a.m.tm (talk) 05:34, 19 May 2022 (UTC)


 * hi @A.a.m.tm and welcome to the teahouse! orphaned articles are those with absolutely no links to other articles (except some, of which Births in Year articles aren't a part of), so those articles no longer count. feel free to remove the tag! happy editing! &#128156; melecie   talk  - 05:38, 19 May 2022 (UTC)
 * Thank you! I really appreciate your fast answer <3 A.a.m.tm (talk) 05:44, 19 May 2022 (UTC)
 * Hello, . I would not use the formulation because that implies (falsely) that someone was responsible for remembering it. That is the wrong way to think of it. This is an entirely volunteer project, editors freely choose whatever they want to work on, and the only person obligated to deal with this minor issue that you have discovered and brought here to the Teahouse is you, if you choose to accept that task. Be bold and solve the problem. Cullen328 (talk) 05:45, 19 May 2022 (UTC)
 * Hello, I completely understand that, and it was my mistake to think that way.
 * However, thanks for informing me! A.a.m.tm (talk) 06:04, 19 May 2022 (UTC)
 * @Melecie I'm not sure I understand your reply. Is an article linked in a births in 19xx-article still an orphan? I've never looked deeply into this myself. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 05:50, 19 May 2022 (UTC)
 * , WP:ORPHAN says, List articles are in the main article namespace. Therefore, an article with an incoming link from a list article is no longer an orphan. It may well deserve more incoming links, but lots of things ought to be improved. We all have lots of work to do. Cullen328 (talk) 05:57, 19 May 2022 (UTC)
 * Thanks. An article I started recently turned 10+ redlinks blue, that was a bit pleasing. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 06:00, 19 May 2022 (UTC)
 * @Melecie Did you mean "no links to", or "no links from"? 73.127.147.187 (talk) 08:46, 21 May 2022 (UTC)

How to start a new sandbox page
I recently created an article and used my sandbox to practice various options. I then encountered another article which I wished to expand. Again I wanted to practice options in my sandbox, so I deleted the existing 'practice options' of the previous article and tried out options relating to the next article. The problem with this approach is that a mixed history of various articles is produced. How do I get a 'maiden new page' sandbox whose contents only will relate to the history of one article which already exists? BFP1 (talk) 09:09, 21 May 2022 (UTC)
 * BFP1, your current sandbox is User:BFP1/sandbox. Simply click on whichever of the following is most appealing (or least unappealing), edit it, and save it, and you will thereby create it. User:BFP1/sandbox 2, User:BFP1/sandbox 二, User:BFP1/sandbox 弐, User:BFP1/sandbox II, User:BFP1/sandbox ۲, User:BFP1/sandbox ෧ ... or indeed "User:BFP1/just_about_anything_you_want". -- Hoary (talk) 09:44, 21 May 2022 (UTC)
 * Thanks. I'll try thatBFP1 (talk) 10:13, 21 May 2022 (UTC)

Notability Doubt
what are the issues in Draft:South Bengal Museum also please share the best notability guideline for it Rickinmorty (talk) 06:21, 19 May 2022 (UTC)
 * Hello, . This seems to be about Draft:South Bengal Museum. This draft is utterly uninformative and fails to make the case that this museum is notable. The single reference is not reliable and does not devote significant coverage to the Museum. The relevant guideline is Notability (organizations and companies). I have worked on a number of museum articles. Please see Manetti Shrem Museum of Art for an example of an acceptable article I wrote about a museum. Cullen328 (talk) 06:29, 19 May 2022 (UTC)
 * Hi . My answer is similar to Cullen328 but you can see WikiProject Museums Guideline for more information whereas this probably helps you. Fade258 (talk) 06:33, 19 May 2022 (UTC)
 * Cullen328, Did you mean uninformative? <span style="font-family:Segoe print; color:#FF8C00; text-shadow:skyblue 0.5em 0.5em 0.5em; font-weight:bold">Kpddg  (talk)  09:20, 19 May 2022 (UTC)
 * Yes,, it was a typo that I have now corrected. Cullen328 (talk) 15:40, 19 May 2022 (UTC)
 * I've been accused by family members of being utterly informative, which is a different way of saying please stop explaining stuff, no one asked. P.S. The single ref may be to a different museum, as the coordinates do not match. David notMD (talk) 11:22, 19 May 2022 (UTC)
 * This draft is so utterly informative/uninformative that it doesn't say what this is a museum of. -- Hoary (talk) 13:33, 19 May 2022 (UTC)
 * According to the categories, it's an art museum/gallery, an archaeological museum and a natural history museum. Maybe it's a museum of South Bengal, generally. 199.208.172.35 (talk) 13:39, 19 May 2022 (UTC)

Museum does not have a website. From a visitor review: "You can find here old things like pictures,images,furnitures,ancient valuable books,maps, memories of intelectual personalities, Globes, so many old books,pens,coins,old notes etc and etc." Sounds like what I have in my attic. David notMD (talk) 13:49, 19 May 2022 (UTC)
 * Merge into David notMD's Attic Zindor (talk) 15:15, 19 May 2022 (UTC)
 * It needs clarification of the relevancy of what is on display there from a reputable source (e.g. national geographic, world heritage, or maybe global news media). I agree the draft is uninformative, and the place looks completely irrelevant. Tobias2934 (talk) 10:15, 21 May 2022 (UTC)

COI: author of a paper
Reading the Wikipedia article, I noticed that the application of UAV in infrastructure inspection was mentioned in the introduction but no related references were cited. As author of a scientific paper about this topic [1], I'd like to add some citations for these kinds of applications including my own work, the contents of which are absolutely on point. As a researcher I know how valuable free and high-quality information is. I do not think I am falling into a case of mere advertising and therefore I am asking for your permission of adding such citations. Thank you for your patience with an inexperienced user Bnontn89 (talk) 08:55, 21 May 2022 (UTC).

[1] Bnontn89 (talk) 08:55, 21 May 2022 (UTC)


 * Hello, Bnontn89, and welcome to the Teahouse. Thank you for asking rather than just going ahead and adding it. The best thing to do is to place an Edit request (see that link for the details on the talk page Talk:Unmanned aerial vehicle, and an uninvolved editor will review your request and decide if it seems justified to add the citation. ColinFine (talk) 11:17, 21 May 2022 (UTC)

Request for improvement of an Article
I have added an article named "Mothparja" and have improved it a lot. I have added sections, references, good content and photos. But except that it is still a stub-class article. So please review it, help me to correct it's grammatical or spelling mistakes. And if it is good enough to be graded up (higher than stub-class). And if it is not able to do so then please tell me how can I improve it.FAAHS (talk) 09:37, 21 May 2022 (UTC)


 * FAAHS, augmenting an article requires reliable (and of course comprehensible) sources. This one starts "Mothparja (Sindhi: موٿپارجہ/, Urdu: موتھپارجہ) is a small village in district Khairpur in Sindh province of Pakistan." Unfortunately I can read neither Sindhi nor Urdu, and I'm not unusual in this. I'd guess that my chances of finding new sources in a language I can read about a small village in Pakistan are infinitesimal. ¶ We read: "But [But what?] except that all still their ["there"?] are only two schools in Mothparja: Government Boys Primary School[13][14][15][16][17] and Government Girls Primary School[16][14][15] There are no high schools, colleges, universities, or any type of private school in Mothparja.[18]" I don't understand why you'd need more than one reference for the existence of a school. -- Hoary (talk) 09:55, 21 May 2022 (UTC)


 * PS It's not a stub; and you're free to promote it to "start". Better not to promote one's own work to "C", certainly not to "B"; and you'll get into trouble if you unilaterally promote anything (whether by you or anyone else) to "Good" or above; however, up to "start" is fine. -- Hoary (talk) 10:05, 21 May 2022 (UTC)

Thanks for helping. But may you please promote it to "start" because you are expert and I am new. Can you tell me what should I do to m at make it able to be "C-class" and what are my mistakes. And please review it and help me correct it's mistakes. — Preceding unsigned comment added by FAAHS (talk • contribs) 10:49, 21 May 2022 (UTC)


 * Hello, FAAHS. First, please don't post the same question in more than one place - you posted this both here and on the Help Desk. Secondly, I added the article to WP:WikiProject Pakistan a week ago, and I believe I suggested then that that WikiProject would be a better place to ask for review and collaboration on this article. ColinFine (talk) 11:22, 21 May 2022 (UTC)

please how can I improve my page to be accepted
Hello, for some time I wrote this page which is not accepted, despite several changes that I made to be in the standard of wikipedia, can someone look at this page https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Mahmoud_Shehabi_Khorassani and help me so that in the end it can be accepted Docteur Mansour Chehabi (talk) 16:29, 20 May 2022 (UTC)
 * @Docteur Mansour Chehabi: Welcome to the Teahouse. I strongly suggest you read Easy referencing for beginners, as the references section is a mess. The tone also isn't very neutral, so the glorification of Khorassani should be removed from the draft. — Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 16:34, 20 May 2022 (UTC)
 * @Docteur Mansour Chehabi, based on what I see in the draft, I suspect you may be related to the subject of the article. If that's true, you should review our policies on editing with a conflict of interest - see WP:COI. 199.208.172.35 (talk) 16:38, 20 May 2022 (UTC)
 * Do not resubmit until you fix all the referencing problems. David notMD (talk) 17:58, 20 May 2022 (UTC)

@ Tenryuu Thank you very much, for your comments, that's what I'm going to try to do and then I'll come back to you, if you don't see any inconvenience, best regards.--Docteur Mansour Chehabi (talk) 14:01, 21 May 2022 (UTC)

@ 199.208.172.35 Thanks to you, yes I know this, yes I am from his family but this very famous person in Iran died more than 30 years ago and myself I am now certain age so I have no conflict of interest, then having a family connection with the subject is inadvisable but it is not prohibited in wikipedia.So all I have to do is to be neutral in my presentation.--Docteur Mansour Chehabi (talk) 14:01, 21 May 2022 (UTC)

@ David notMD, ok, and thanks, I will try to fix all the refereeing problems, cordially.--Docteur Mansour Chehabi (talk) 14:01, 21 May 2022 (UTC)

Templates in translated wiki pages
Help request

Phillip (talk) 11:10, 20 May 2022 (UTC)
 * Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. This space is for asking questions about editing the English language Wikipedia. Unfortunately we cannot help you with Wikipedias in other languages or with OpenStreetMap. You will need to ask their help desks for assistance. But for the meaning of Transclusion, see Help:Transclusion. Shantavira|feed me 11:20, 20 May 2022 (UTC)
 * Help request 2
 * Phillip (talk) 13:15, 20 May 2022 (UTC)
 * @Ptpare, it would be easier to answer your questions if you typed them out here rather than taking screenshots of them typed elsewhere. That template seems to be part of the automated taxobox system - if you have questions about altering it, or using it elsewhere, it would be best to ask either at the overall talk page for the system or at the specific talk page for Speciesbox. 199.208.172.35 (talk) 16:29, 20 May 2022 (UTC)
 * Yes, please stop creating screenshots of the questions you want to ask, and simply type them directly into this thread. Trying to ask questions via screenshots not only makes it hard to repsond, but there's also a possibility that the screenshot might include some copyrighted content that could techinically be a copyright violation if not properly attributed. Even a screenshot of a Wikipedia page is required to be properly attributed to comply with Wikipedia's general licensing. If there's some techinical reason why you can type your questions directly onto this page, then please clarify and perhaps others can help resolve the issue; otherwise, please don't do this type of thing again. -- Marchjuly (talk) 00:02, 21 May 2022 (UTC)
 * User talk:Ptpare Phillip (talk) 14:51, 21 May 2022 (UTC)

Dario Roberts
I want to create Articles for Dario Roberts.How can help me? I am new in Wikipedia Meditateofficial2023 (talk) 07:44, 21 May 2022 (UTC)


 * @Meditateofficial2023 Start with reading WP:BASIC. If you conclude "Yeah, I have those sources, no problem!" continue with WP:TUTORIAL, WP:YFA, and, if it applies to you, WP:COI. If you don't have the sources demanded at WP:BASIC, write about something else, because an article about Dario Roberts will not be accepted. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 08:38, 21 May 2022 (UTC)
 * First confirm that you have references which establish Dario Roberts as a notable person, using as guides everything GGS provided. David notMD (talk) 08:42, 21 May 2022 (UTC)
 * Adding that creating an acceptable WP-article without any previous WP-experience is hard, so it is highly recommended to get some experience in WP-editing first. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 08:51, 21 May 2022 (UTC)
 * Very true. David notMD (talk) 14:56, 21 May 2022 (UTC)

Anything to do for drafts?
I have three drafts (Marsha Cottrell, Sal Salandra, Jusaburō Tsujimura) that have been sitting with no updates for a while. I had three other drafts published this week, one the day I submitted it. Is drafts waiting to be approved but not necessarily being denied a sign that I should be further editing my unpublished drafts? Any tips appreciated. Chainsawpunk (talk) 15:38, 21 May 2022 (UTC)


 * As said in the template on top of each draft, the reviewing process can take up to four months. Till then, you can continue to improve the draft. <span style="font-family:Segoe print; color:#FF8C00; text-shadow:skyblue 0.5em 0.5em 0.5em; font-weight:bold">Kpddg  (talk)  15:55, 21 May 2022 (UTC)

Billy Creek Guard Station
I am thinking about submitting an article on the Billy Creek Guard Station, a building near Huntington Lake in California that was built as a security guard station, and later became the home of Orland Bartholomew. Orland Bartholomew was the first person to perform a solo winter assault of Mt. Whitney and the John Muir Trail. My primary reference sources will be High Odyssey by Eugene Rose and The Story of Big Creek by David Redinger. The Billy Creek Guard Station stands today as a museum operated by the Huntington Lake Big Creek Historical Conservancy. Arthur6Morgan (talk) 22:51, 20 May 2022 (UTC)


 * OK. You may wish to see WP:YFA. Regards, Ariconte (talk) 02:29, 21 May 2022 (UTC)
 * aside from Your first article, I also suggest reading notability of buildings, which guides in which buildings can be considered notable, and Reliable sources, which guides in which kinds of sources can be used. also please note that notability is not inherited, so just because Bartholomew lived in the guard station and they are notable, that doesn't mean the guard station is notable by itself. happy editing! &#128156; melecie   talk  - 04:40, 21 May 2022 (UTC)
 * , based on a quick Google search, I am confident that Orland Bartholomew is notable. Cullen328 (talk) 16:57, 21 May 2022 (UTC)

How do I gain the approval to create a new Wikipedia page?
I feel as if the title asks my question perfectly. It'd be really helpful to know how to add a wiki-page onto the internet, or if anyone could post them alongside me. I've got many floating topics/people I can back up with reliable resources. Abdulraheem Gouda (talk) 12:56, 21 May 2022 (UTC)
 * The first stage, Abdulraheem Gouda, is to gain experience making minor improvements to existing pages. Then make major improvements to them. And then digest Help:YFA. -- Hoary (talk) 13:01, 21 May 2022 (UTC)
 * Hello, @Abdulraheem Gouda, and welcome to the Teahouse! As many Editors will likely tell you, creating an article here is one of the hardest things to do on Wikipedia, when compared to other tasks, so it's best to start by getting experience (I would recommend checking out the Wikipedia Adventure if you want to learn the basics of editing and contributing). After this, if you still wish to start an article, the best and easiest way for newer users to do so is through the Articles for Creation (AfC) process, which will guide you through the process of creating and submitting a draft article for review. Then, a AfC reviewer can check the draft article and make sure it is suitable for Wikipedia, and if it is, publish the article onto the mainspace. I hope I answered your question, and happy editing! HenryTemplo (talk) 13:18, 21 May 2022 (UTC)
 * Your answers have most definitely been helpful! I will most likely persue a short-lived career in the vandalism moderation section of the wiki until I eventually gather up enough experience in order to pass the school required in order to help articles appear onto the wiki.
 * Thank you both for your responses. They're both greatly appreciated!
 * I look forward to contributing to the wiki! Abdulraheem Gouda (talk) 13:28, 21 May 2022 (UTC)
 * Your welcome! I hope you enjoy contributing. Have a great day! HenryTemplo (talk) 13:30, 21 May 2022 (UTC)
 * If you intend to "get your feet wet" addressing vandalism, peruse Vandalism to learn how to distinguish between vandalism and good faith edits that need to be reverted. David notMD (talk) 15:00, 21 May 2022 (UTC)
 * Hello, Abdulraheem, and welcome to the Teahouse and to Wikipedia. It's worth pointing out that creating a new article isn't the only way to contribute to Wikipedia; and for an inexperienced editor, it is usually a rather bad way of doing so. Every day we get dozens of people trying to create articles without understanding our basic criteria for doing so. I would argue that one person rewriting one sentence in an article to make it clearer adds more value to Wikipedia than all those people put together. And one person finding and citing a reliable source for an unsourced claim in an article adds many times more value to Wikipedia than all of those failed attempts at creation. ColinFine (talk) 15:23, 21 May 2022 (UTC)
 * @Abdulraheem Gouda: If you want to create articles directly in mainspace, you'll have to have an account at least 4 days old with at least 10 edits (which you are). This was in response to an incident where an IP created a false article about a living person (I can't remember the name anymore). However, non-autoconfirmed users (and autoconfirmed users as well) can still create articles through the AFC process. Hope this helps. I.hate.spam.mail.here (talk | contributions) 21:19, 21 May 2022 (UTC)

- didn't want to notify you guys through a reply, I've read it and I will get my feet wet in contributions and vandalism moderation. Thank you all! Abdulraheem Gouda (talk) 16:37, 21 May 2022 (UTC)

is a grammar edit constructive
I made a grammar edit on a page and it was reversed as it did not seem constructive, and so I would like to ask if grammar edits are constructive ChowdHar (talk) 17:06, 21 May 2022 (UTC)
 * ChowdHar grammar edits are constructive, provided they are correct. Assuming this is the edit you are talking about, you didn't correct the grammar, you added a mistake.  "It's" does not mean belonging to it, it is only a contraction of "it is", or "it has". Given that you added an error (or arguably two errors by changing the plural to singular, when the sentence is about "they") I suggest you avoid making grammar corrections unless you are absolutely certain that your correction is correct. - Best wishes Arjayay (talk) 17:41, 21 May 2022 (UTC)
 * . You might also usefully learn the difference between grammar and orthography. Shantavira|feed me 18:23, 21 May 2022 (UTC)
 * , edits that correct errors of grammar or orthography are regarded as constructive. Edits that insert such errors are not. Maproom (talk) 21:57, 21 May 2022 (UTC)