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Translation of the names of prefecture-level cities (地级市)
Are there any guidelines for translating names of different administrative divisions, particularly prefecture-level cities? For example, how should 鄂尔多斯市 be translated? User:LlywelynII has been using "Ordos Prefecture" and the like, but I think this usage is uncommon ( vs. ; vs. ) and not reflective of 市 in the Chinese. When I see "prefecture" for a prefecture-level city, I've been changing them to "city" or removing the division name altogether. Also see this discussion at Wiktionary. — justin(r)leung { (t...) 07:05, 1 February 2018 (UTC)


 * 地级市 is almost always translated as prefecture-level city. "Prefecture" is incorrect. Many prefecture-level cities were former prefectures (地区), and the prefecture-level city designation is considered an upgrade in status, connoting a higher level of development. This is an important distinction. -Zanhe (talk) 18:48, 2 February 2018 (UTC)


 * Thanks for your response! Edits like and  should be appropriate, right? — justin(r)leung { (t...) 22:55, 2 February 2018 (UTC)
 * Yes, I agree with these edits. -Zanhe (talk) 03:17, 9 February 2018 (UTC)


 * I basically agree with Zanhe. If it were up to me, I might translate 地级市 as prefecture, but there seems to be a generally accepted convention to make prefecture-level city. – Greg Pandatshang (talk) 01:16, 3 February 2018 (UTC)

Zhu Benli.
Zhu Benli is the last emperor of Southern Ming. He was a soli lawful Ming emperor in 1662-1664. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sharouser (talk • contribs) 05:56, 13 February 2018 (UTC)

Er jing tiao chillies
Hi! Could someone in China upload a photo of er jing tiao chillies (二荆条辣椒)? I'd like to create an article about this chilli variety. --Tisanophile (talk) 12:38, 6 March 2018 (UTC)

Large-scale city improvement
In Haikou, there is a large-scale improvement underway. Right now, it involves the government painting main street buildings and facades to make them look better. Is this happening in major cities all over the country? If so, it should be in the article. I cannot find sources that clearly say what is going on. Anyone? Many thanks. Anna Frodesiak (talk) 07:27, 8 March 2018 (UTC)

Young Pioneer Tours
Young Pioneer Tours, a company based in Beijing, was nominated for deletion at Articles for deletion/Young Pioneer Tours. Would editors look for Chinese sources about the company? Thanks, Cunard (talk) 00:13, 12 March 2018 (UTC)

Ending the system of portals
Hello, there's a proposal to delete all Wikipedia portals. Please see the discussion here. --NaBUru38 (talk) 14:04, 14 April 2018 (UTC)

Character representations of names of overseas Chinese referred to as "Cantonese", "Mandarin", etc?
I was just skimming our article on Allan Fung, and noticed that it includes a representation of his Chinese name in Chinese characters, with no accompanying romanization for his Chinese given name (obviously his family name is "Fung", but "偉傑" doesn't look like a retrofit transcription of the English name "Allan").

Obviously I think the Chinese name, if it can be sourced, should be accompanied by one or more appropriate transcriptions, and if he identifies with a Cantonese-speaking community then it should be Cantonese, but that would involve research and possible BLP concerns. I was rather considering just making the technical fix of referring to his Chinese name as being "Chinese" rather than specifically Cantonese, when there is apparently nothing specifically Cantonese about the name that is there now, but decided to ask here first.

Thoughts? Has this come up before?

Hijiri 88 ( 聖やや ) 23:37, 9 May 2018 (UTC)
 * I see that the lead has his name as "Allan Wai-Ket Fung", which is an adequate Cantonese transliteration of 偉傑. I agree on all other points, and there should be no reason to call written characters Cantonese for the most part, and definitely not in this case. _dk (talk) 02:27, 10 May 2018 (UTC)

About Tianxin Pavilion, "十大中国历史文化名楼" - UNESCO links
Hi all, While editing Tianxin Pavilion, I noticed there was an assertion that it as one of "Ten Famous Chinese Historical and Cultural Towers and Pavilions" / "十大中国历史文化名楼" / and so on.

As far as I can see, the application to have the pavilion listed as a world heritage site has been stalled since 2012.

Appreciate your opinions about this. 澳大利亞的彼得 aka --Shirt58 (talk) 11:23, 8 April 2018 (UTC)

The event(applying for world heritage toghter) was an initiative which proposeed by the organizers. As for when “applying for world heritage” was initiated and how to declare it, it was still necessary to wait until the annual meeting of those 'famous building' was held and after the experts and scholars had demonstrated and studied.
 * You are right. The first ref in Tianxin_Pavilion says
 * "这次活动是主办方提出的一个倡议，至于"申遗"什么时候启动、怎么申报，还要等到名楼年会召开后，经过专家学者论证研究，才能确定. "
 * As another news 十大名楼集体申遗暂搁浅_2012-11-05(in Chinese) says: "十大名楼集体申遗暂搁浅/The plans to apply for world heritage for the 'ten famous building' have been temporarily shelved", and this news didn't give the reason why they stopped temporarily. After a google search with key word "十大名楼集体申遗/ten famous building applying for world heritage toghter", there is no more news about this matter after November, 2012.
 * So, I think: they are not the Ten Famous Chinese buildings, They are just prepare to apply for the world heritage. And This plan is terminated permanently.——Woclass (talk) 16:14, 10 May 2018 (UTC)

Help needed listing RFC
Would someone familiar with editing the Article alerts please add Talk:Daoism–Taoism romanization issue? Thanks, Keahapana (talk) 01:20, 16 May 2018 (UTC)

Draft:Oneacreland.com
Hello Wikiproject China! I was editing Draft:Oneacreland.com, and I tracked down any possible sources for that draft, short of perusing archive.org, that could be WP:RS, and put them in a list as WP:General references. However I think the sources, and by extension the draft still might not pass muster for ever being worthy of an article. Would you think they are enough to establish any notability? Thanks, Jjjjjjdddddd (talk) 15:31, 16 May 2018 (UTC)

Prince of Rui of Ming dynasty
Prince of Rui of Ming dynasty is a recently created page (by ) with no sourcing; several similar (unsourced) pages have been created previously. I have several concerns; beyond the lack of references, the article title doesn't seem right, and the usage of "peerage" seems like it may be a mis-translation or mis-interpretation. Any suggestions? power~enwiki ( π, ν ) 23:38, 20 May 2018 (UTC)

Chinese translation
Hello, I've been researching information regarding the character Kazuya Mishima in regards to his creation and I found this Chinese website. From what Google translate appears to say, Kazuya was influenced by the famous Yukio Mishima but I need better a better translation to see if there's more (for some reason Google Translate also translates the character's first name). Cheers.Tintor2 (talk) 19:44, 27 May 2018 (UTC)


 * The article mentioned off-hand that "The development team has revealed that Kazuya Mishima is based on the famous Japanese writer Yukio Mishima, even taking after his surname." (製作團隊曾透露三島一八的原型是日本知名作家三島由紀夫，連姓氏也加以延用. ) Not sure if I would use this as a source though. _dk (talk) 18:12, 29 May 2018 (UTC)


 * Thanks. According to a member of the video game project it is a reliable source as it is connected with a reliable source, 4Gamer.Tintor2 (talk) 21:40, 29 May 2018 (UTC)

WikiProject collaboration notice from the Portals WikiProject
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Thank you. &mdash; The Transhumanist  07:28, 30 May 2018 (UTC)

Yuan dynasty
More views would be welcome at Talk:Yuan dynasty. Kanguole 23:47, 1 June 2018 (UTC)

Beijing Mall
Can any project members weigh in on this discussion re: Beijing Mall and/or add more info/sourcing to the Beijing Mall article? --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 00:58, 7 June 2018 (UTC)

Draft:Qu Yi (Musical Actor)
This draft is liable to be deleted for lack of editing activity. Should it be moved to mainspace? Calliopejen1 (talk) 03:11, 4 June 2018 (UTC)


 * It's an acceptable draft of a notable person, so I went ahead and moved it to mainspace. -Zanhe (talk) 03:51, 9 June 2018 (UTC)

Draft:Oneacreland.com
Hello Wikiproject China! I was editing Draft:Oneacreland.com, and I tracked down any possible sources for that draft, short of perusing archive.org, that could be WP:RS, and put them in a list as WP:General references. However I think the sources, and by extension the draft still might not pass muster for ever being worthy of an article. Would you think they are enough to establish any notability? Thanks, Jjjjjjdddddd (talk) 15:23, 18 June 2018 (UTC)
 * Sorry for the late response. I don't think the subject will ever pass the notability guideline at the current state; I did a quick search for Chinese sources and couldn't find much also. Alex Shih (talk) 15:29, 18 June 2018 (UTC)
 * Ah, thanks! Jjjjjjdddddd (talk) 15:32, 18 June 2018 (UTC)

Slew of protection requests related to IP-edit-warring
Permalink. I protected most of the pages in question to stop them but it needs someone familiar with those subjects to check which side is "correct". So please check those articles if you can. Regards SoWhy 16:29, 23 June 2018 (UTC)

British Hong Kong
There's a discussion about what the year of establishment should be in Talk:British Hong Kong. Third party opinions welcome. Spellcast (talk) 19:58, 23 June 2018 (UTC)

Requested move
Greetings! I have recently relisted a requested move discussion at Talk:Wu_(Ten_Kingdoms), regarding a page relating to this WikiProject. Discussion and opinions are invited. Thanks, &mdash; Frayæ (Talk/Spjall) 17:00, 11 July 2018 (UTC)

Chinese startups
If anyone is into the world of startups in China, List of unicorn startup companies has a ton of Chinese companies that need articles, including big names like Pinduoduo.  Λυδ α  cιτγ  08:00, 13 July 2018 (UTC)

Oyster Sauce Origins
Not sure where best to put this so I thought I would make it as visible as possible. See the talk page of Oyster Sauce for a summation of the issue... basically I'm not sure of the reliability of any of the sources making the claim about how it was invented.Yogibeera (talk) 02:27, 17 July 2018 (UTC)

Songpu Bridge
someone should make this article. 49.148.137.117 (talk) 05:07, 18 July 2018 (UTC)
 * Just to be clear, the zh:松浦大桥 (上海) in Songjiang District, carrying G320, is being referred to? Caradhras Aiguo (talk) 05:15, 18 July 2018 (UTC)

Need help with review of Chinese-language material.
Could somebody please take a look at Draft:Transgender Resource Center and either formally review it, or just leave some comments about the quality of the Chinese-language sources. Thanks. -- RoySmith (talk) 21:56, 23 July 2018 (UTC)
 * Without commenting on the strength of verification of each claim for now, the Mingpao.com (Ming Pao) source(s) should be fine; the stheadline.com sources are Headline Daily, which happens to be noted by our article as a tabloid, but has yet to appear on the Reliable sources Noticeboard, unlike the Daily Mail. Caradhras Aiguo (talk) 22:20, 23 July 2018 (UTC)

Nanjing University
Can someone take a look at the history section of Nanjing University. The article is making a big claim on its early history that is completely unsourced. Whatever institution or institutions that might have existed in the periods, what relation does it (or they) have to the university itself? The university itself does not make a claim to such a long history. A discussion is open at Talk:Nanjing University. Hzh (talk) 11:05, 26 July 2018 (UTC)
 * I've commented at the article talk page. I'll try to copyedit the history section when I have time. Alex Shih (talk) 11:17, 26 July 2018 (UTC)
 * Thanks. The relevant part is that the university itself does not accept the claim of such a long history, therefore what's written cannot be considered the actual history of the university. Hzh (talk) 22:22, 26 July 2018 (UTC)

"Chinese social structure" needs editing
Hi. The article Chinese social structure needs editing and assessing. Thanks! Thinker78 (talk) 04:10, 22 July 2018 (UTC)
 * I went in and made a few edits - but what precisely are you asking for? Simonm223 (talk) 18:18, 9 August 2018 (UTC)

Merger proposal
Hi. It has been suggested that Naming conventions (Chinese) be merged into Manual of Style/China and Chinese-related articles. Feedback is welcomed here. Szqecs (talk) 13:08, 14 August 2018 (UTC)

MfD nominations of Fauzty's sandboxes
User:Fauzty/sandbox, User:Fauzty/sandbox/02, and User:Fauzty/sandbox/03, i.e. pages written in Chinese, have been nominated for deletion. Input on the matter at Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/User:Fauzty/sandbox would be welcomed and appreciated. Thank you. — Godsy (TALK CONT ) 07:21, 19 August 2018 (UTC)

Template:Years in the Qing dynasty
Just created this template:

What's a good way to format the navbox? I decided its a more historiographically accurate to separate them out into emperor eras as opposed to decades. But beyond that it seems like ten years doesn't fill the width of the navbox very well. Also I'd like some help eventually populating every year at some point... (and yes all 2000 of them in Chinese history).--Prisencolin (talk) 03:00, 21 August 2018 (UTC)

Removal of simplified names
This editor has been removing simplified names from a number of articles, for example:. I know at least one of the removals was incorrect, and I'm told at least one other was also incorrect. I don't know enough Chinese to judge these. Can someone take a look? Kendall-K1 (talk) 14:50, 16 August 2018 (UTC)
 * I have reverted all of the removals that I could find. Caradhras Aiguo ( leave language ) 15:12, 16 August 2018 (UTC)
 * Hello Kendall-K1 and any other users who might be involved. I just wanted to make a brief reply back in regards to my most recent edits. I may have missed it, but I was under the impression that it'd be more accurate to have (only) traditional Chinese over simplified Chinese, especially for those articles related to aspects specific to Hong Kong/Cantonese matters, which are specifically primarily in traditional Chinese in terms of cultural, historical, and social points. I am a Chinese speaker (for both Cantonese and Mandarin), hence my judgment in the matter. Sorry for any inconvenience in advance. N. Wang (talk)
 * The province of Guangdong (ie. the "Canton" in "Cantonese") uses Cantonese and Simplified Chinese, so do parts of the Chinese diaspora in Southeast Asia. Dim sum is also not a specifically Hong Kong thing but one that originated in Guangzhou, which now uses Simplified Chinese. In any case, we currently include both traditional and simplified Chinese even for HK/MA/TW matters in the Chinese infobox. _dk (talk) 17:17, 16 August 2018 (UTC)
 * Hello Underbar. It seems like you may be a more "senior user" regarding currently used guidelines. Thanks for your reply and information. It is appreciated. N. Wang (talk)

Please comment at Talk:TP-Link as to whether the "native name" of TP-Link should include a traditional Chinese variant. Kendall-K1 (talk) 17:09, 24 August 2018 (UTC)
 * Just want to give a small bit of feedback that there are multiple articles that do include Traditional Chinese with Simplified Chinese AND that it was already mentioned by to have both. N. Wang (talk)
 * I specifically mentioned the template Chinese can have both, but the article in question currently does not include the template. My comment was merely about the usage of that template, and I do not agree with adding traditional Chinese in a "native_name" field in other templates when the article's subject used only simplified Chinese in its native country. _dk (talk) 18:28, 24 August 2018 (UTC)
 * Okay. Well, thank you for your reply back. Clearly, I don't/didn't understand aspects regarding "templates" and their text content since I'd thought that there is/was a certain amount of interchangeability/flexibility for text content involving (Chinese language) names, terms, etc., and so that there shouldn't have been much in issues. N. Wang (talk)

Ethnic population counties of China
Hi! Could someone give me Ethnic population of counties of China? --Kaiyr (talk) 08:00, 7 August 2018 (UTC)
 * , they're in a number of the articles. --Prisencolin (talk) 22:34, 22 August 2018 (UTC)
 * Could you give me link?--Kaiyr (talk) 04:42, 29 August 2018 (UTC)

Links to DAB pages
I have collected a bunch of China-related articles which contain bad links to WP:DAB pages, ranging from ancient history to the present day, for which expert attention is needed. (The list is not exhaustive: I find new bad links of this sort, not necessarily China-related, every single day.) To find those links, search for 'disam' in main text or for '{{d' in edit mode. (NB - some articles contain more than one bad link.) If you manage to solve any of these puzzles, remove the {{tl|dn}} tag and post {{tl|done}} here. In some cases, the solution may be a good redlink qualifier. Not every puzzle may be soluble. But, every little helps. Thanks in advance. Narky Blert (talk) 22:12, 3 September 2018 (UTC)
 * Timeline of the Xiongnu
 * Timeline of the Han dynasty
 * Tianjin Quanjian F.C.
 * Lew Hing
 * Wang Yansi
 * List of rampage killers (other incidents)
 * Shangri-La
 * SS Zhongshan
 * Song Wo
 * Shi Hui (Three Kingdoms)
 * Zhang (surname)
 * Wang Chi-chen
 * Organization of the Kwantung Army
 * Fortified district (Japan)
 * Evacuation of Manchukuo
 * Order of Battle Suiyuan Campaign
 * G5 Beijing–Kunming Expressway
 * Yi Long
 * Wuqiao Mutiny
 * List of protected areas of China
 * Red tourism
 * Battle of Nanjing (1853)
 * House of Li
 * Chinese siege weapons
 * Northern Expedition

RFC at Communist Party of China
I've started an RFC about the infobox contents at Communist Party of China please feel free to comment. Simonm223 (talk) 12:04, 4 September 2018 (UTC)

Request for Comment - Including China's position
Please join the discussion and give your needed opinion on whether to include China's position in the article Hamas. Veritycheck✔️ (talk) 20:04, 4 September 2018 (UTC)
 * Just a BUMP to get more input. Stop by and add your point of view. Veritycheck✔️ (talk) 03:19, 6 September 2018 (UTC)

RM of Didi (company)
This requested move has been relisted and could use some more input.  Λυδ α  cιτγ  06:59, 7 September 2018 (UTC)

People's Liberation Army Navy requested move
There's currently a proposal to move People's Liberation Army Navy to Chinese Navy at Talk:People's Liberation Army Navy Nick-D (talk) 09:32, 8 September 2018 (UTC)

Does Nanjing No.13 Middle School have a senior high school section?
Would anybody please check if Nanjing No.13 Middle School have a senior high school? An AFD was filed against the article here: Articles for deletion/Nanjing No.13 Middle School on the basis that it is a junior high school 初中 and therefore ineligible for a Wikipedia article. Unfortunately in China they use the English translation "Middle School" when they're really meaning 中学 which means "Secondary School", and many 中学 have senior high 高中 sections. I suspect this one does but I want to find confirmation. The introduction of the school is here so perhaps there's a clue there.

If there's any page talking about the students taking the gaokao (the university entrance exams) it must be a senior high; students who haven't entered senior high yet take the zhongkao (senior high entrance exams).

WhisperToMe (talk) 00:20, 10 September 2018 (UTC)


 * Yes there's a page here which talks about the school's zhongkao and gaokao results. Also browsing around their home page there are numerous references to senior high students, such as Senior high third year students attending conference and interestingly theres an international department (I guess they teach Canadian curriculum courses) whose site is here and although the English still says Middle school the Chinese says 高中.  Heights (Want to talk?) 15:28, 15 September 2018 (UTC)

The article Catholic Church in China needs improved quality to make ITN
The article Catholic Church in China is currently receiving lots of support on grounds of notability to be included as an In the News item on our main page, but it still requires a lot of work to bring it up to the necessary quality.Tlhslobus (talk) 02:47, 27 September 2018 (UTC)

Station layouts
Hello I would like to ask if this WikiProject has any local guidelines regarding station layouts on articles because there are many articles with station layouts and this may be a violation of WP:NOTGUIDE. Thanks-1.02 editor (C651 set 217/218) 09:03, 27 September 2018 (UTC)

Template:Did you know nominations/Feng Timo
Hello. As the nominator of this DYK nomination has not edited in several weeks, another editor familiar with Chinese pop culture and/or is fluent in Chinese is kindly asked to adopt this nomination. Thank you. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 10:33, 27 September 2018 (UTC)

Merger discussion on Ice Creamusume
I've started a discussion at Talk:Ice Creamusume to merge Wu Si-hsuan, Chung An-chi, Tseng Te-ping, Chao Kuo-jung, Chiu Tsui-ling, Ku Yun, and 1st Zui Bang! to Ice Creamusume. These people do not have any notability beyond being in Ice Creamusume and do not need to have their own article in my opinion. 1st Zui Bang! also holds no notability with no sales and ranking information. Any input on whether the articles should be merged is appreciated! lullabying (talk) 21:31, 27 September 2018 (UTC)

Please comment on this RFC
At Communist Party of China opinions welcome so we can settle this matter. Simonm223 (talk) 16:19, 28 September 2018 (UTC)

RfC on edit war
Your help would be greatly appreciated in solving the deadlock over at the History of the Communist Party of China article. The conflict involves a section titled Feminist Views, which following discussion was transplanted to the Ideology of the Communist Party of China article, where it appears to fit in better. But one user is now refusing to delete the section from the history article, with the result that it presently appears in both articles. 92.34.148.177 (talk) 20:31, 8 October 2018 (UTC)

Should Template:Chinese always display both Traditional or Simplified Chinese, or should it only display the relevant written forms based on territory
Please see Wikipedia_talk:Manual_of_Style/China_and_Chinese-related_articles WhisperToMe (talk) 17:03, 9 October 2018 (UTC)

A site for Manhua
I'm not familiar with the subject but is there a site that might have author data, dates, and isbn for manhuas? I'm searching for two in particular. Buriki One and The King of Fighters 2003 (manhua). Regards.Tintor2 (talk) 23:13, 10 October 2018 (UTC)

Wechat group
Does anyone know if there is a Wechat group for Wikipedians? If not, would anyone be interested in joining one? My wechat is gilles1454.  Λυδ α  cιτγ  16:11, 20 October 2018 (UTC)
 * I don't think so (and most people outside mainland China and the diaspora have probably never used WeChat, so WeChat users are probably very rare on enwiki). There is a Discord group and there are IRC channels (incidentally, the Chinese Wikipedia advertises an IRC channel but not a WeChat group). Jc86035 (talk) 14:42, 25 October 2018 (UTC)

Category:Chinese emigrants to Taiwan
I know this is a minefield, and I hardly want to be involved in such a mess, but does anyone else see a problem with the subcategories in Category:Chinese emigrants to Taiwan? I came across this whilst filling Category:People of the Northern Expedition...people like Bai Chongxi and Yan Xishan are listed as 'Taiwanese', which feels like both an absurdity and an anachronism...if you told any of these people that they were 'Taiwanese', I wonder what they'd say? I think I know the answer. Is there anything we can do about this, or is the RoC/Taiwan craziness going to make it impossible? RGloucester — ☎ 21:58, 11 October 2018 (UTC)
 * I would go as far as recommending this category for deletion for the anachronisms you pointed out and the NPOV violations involved, i.e. the implication that Taiwan is not a part of China. Caradhras Aiguo ( leave language ) 22:08, 11 October 2018 (UTC)
 * Oppose I didn't create the category but I created all the subcategories. Before I did my work, I remember it only had Chiang Kai-shek, Chiang Ching-kuo and a couple of other names. "Taiwanese from ABC" in this case is of course understood as someone from mainland China who permanently (at least for a long period of time) settled in Taiwan island (I don't think there are any Kinmen/Matsu/Penghu cases) either before or after 1940s. "Chinese" in categories should be separate from "Taiwanese". Trust me, I have not intention to impose NPOV but there are no better solutions. Will it help anyone to combine Category:Taiwanese baseball players with Category:Chinese baseball players? Anachronism is not an issue, and what Bai Chongxi thinks is not important. Yelü Dashi would not consider himself an emperor of Qara Khitai, but that doesn't mean we will put him in Category:Liao dynasty emperors, because for all intents and purposes Liao dynasty should be considered completely separate from Qara Khitai. I'm afraid the situation here is comparable, and there are many more examples from world history. Timmyshin (talk) 11:27, 25 October 2018 (UTC)
 * Edit: I suppose we can move it to Category:Taiwanese people from mainland China if it helps with NPOV. But I see no problem with the label "Taiwanese people". If Bai Chongxi wouldn't consider himself a "Taiwanese", what about his son Pai Hsien-yung? Isn't his Taipei People about people from the mainland? It's impossible to ask every person alive or deceased what they identify with, so let's just stick with the obvious: Bai Chongxi lived in Taiwan as a citizen, therefore he was a Taiwanese. Nobody said you cannot be both Chinese and Taiwanese. Yelü Dashi was a Liao dynasty person and a Qara Khitai emperor. Chiang Ching-kuo was a Chinese person and a Taiwanese president. No problem at all. Timmyshin (talk) 11:57, 25 October 2018 (UTC)
 * 'Taiwanese' implies regional origins in Taiwan, as opposed to Cantonese or Shandongese or whatever. At that point in history, there was no 'Taiwanese' in the manner you referred to. If Bai was a 'Taiwanese citizen', after he fled to Taiwan, I guess he had been a Taiwanese citizen on the mainland, because his citizenship did not change upon his flight. He was not a 'Taiwanese'...he was a Guangxi person, which would've been listed on his identity papers, who had fled to Taiwan, but his original identity did not change to Taiwanese, as he still remained in the same country, 'China', and only fled to Taiwan out of necessity. How about "Guangxi people that fled to Taiwan"? And so on...because you need to clearly delineate the circumstances of their having fled. RGloucester  — ☎ 13:18, 25 October 2018 (UTC)
 * Yelü Dashi didn't change his nationality either. Neither did Li Keyong and yet we have Category:Jin (Later Tang precursor) people born during Tang though every "Jin" person still claimed loyalty to the Tang dynasty and never referred to themselves as "Jin" subjets. Obviously Bai Chongxi was not a Taiwanese pre-1949; he became one just like every character from his son's Taipei People. "Regional origins in Taiwan" is but one definition of Taiwanese people (see article, not the same as Cantonese people). "ABC people that fled to Taiwan" does not work because "fled" is very subjective. Did the 14000 "Anti-Communist Heroes" flee to Taiwan? I think not. (Not to mention people like Lin Yutang or Chen Jing (table tennis)). Timmyshin (talk) 19:23, 25 October 2018 (UTC)
 * The 'modern' use of the word 'Taiwanese' to mean 'RoC' cannot retroactively be applied to people who, frankly, have nothing to do with 'Taiwan' in the sense that the modern word is used...it's a plain absurdity, and I'm not sure why this is hard to understand. There was no Taiwan identity in the way there is now. He did not 'become' a Taiwanese...'Taiwanese' is an identity, not a citizenship or official label. The whole problem with this category tree is that it conflates different subjects into one...i.e. refugees that fled to Taiwan in 1949, and people who came to Taiwan afterward, and also modern Taiwanese identity with RoC citizenship.  RGloucester  — ☎ 19:30, 25 October 2018 (UTC)
 * If you have a better way of categorizing these articles, go for it. Timmyshin (talk) 20:01, 25 October 2018 (UTC)

Names?
I recently wrote The_Unfinished_Comedy but I am not sure I spelled the cast name members correctly (see also the talk page). Thanks in advance for taking a look :) --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus&#124; reply here 06:18, 1 November 2018 (UTC)

Featured quality source review RFC
Editors in this WikiProject may be interested in the featured quality source review RFC that has been ongoing. It would change the featured article candidate process (FAC) so that source reviews would need to occur prior to any other reviews for FAC. Your comments are appreciated. --IznoRepeat (talk) 21:36, 11 November 2018 (UTC)

FiiO Electronics Technology
Could someone from this WikiProject assess this for notability per WP:NCORP? The only citation provided is to the company's own website, but that does nothing per WP:CORPDEPTH. The article's been around for a bit, but never seems to have gotten properly assessed because (1) it wasn't submitted to AfC and (2) nobody bothered to create a talk page for it and add WikiProject banners for it until I just did. There are a few stand-alone articles about some of the companies products; so, maybe the sources used in them can also be added to the main company article. I was considering WP:PROD, but figured I'd ask here first. -- Marchjuly (talk) 01:51, 12 November 2018 (UTC)

Great power article: Map
Following quite nasty edit-war, I started discussion on the Great Power article talk page about map in the article. Main topics for discussion: What countries should be on the map? Should the map show some sort of hierarchy of great powers (eg. using colours)? Would not be better to remove the map altogether? So far, only IPs and new accounts entered this discussion, so input from experienced editors would be greatly appreciated. Thanks! Pavlor (talk) 08:23, 25 November 2018 (UTC)

Question about Chinese name and location of Jiaoba Central Primary School
I read an article in The Economist about Jiaoba Central Primary School https://www.economist.com/china/2017/04/12/chinas-grim-rural-boarding-schools

but I cant determine its exact location not its Chinese name.

Thanks, WhisperToMe (talk) 04:41, 27 November 2018 (UTC)

Belt and Road Initiative could use extra eyes
Some rather aggressive POV pushing from parties both for and against the characterization of the initiative as neocolonialism; I came in as a neutral party and almost immediately managed to upset at least one of the two sides of the conflict. WP:AGF is fraying, and it could use some editors who are experienced with China and neutral on this issue to try and keep the peace. I don't particularly want to do it solo. Simonm223 (talk) 20:30, 27 November 2018 (UTC)

Template:Infobox Province of China (PRC) at Templates for Discussion
The discussion was opened here. Caradhras Aiguo ( leave language ) 23:59, 3 December 2018 (UTC)

Help with draft
Could Draft:Qian Lingxi possibly by sourced to meet our notability guidelines? Chinese Wikipedia has had zh:钱令希 since 2009, and German Wikipedia has had de:Qian Lingxi since September. Any comments on the draft are also welcomed. Please use either Yet Another Articles for Creation Helper Script by enabling, or use  directly in the draft. Thank you. Sam Sailor 12:56, 17 December 2018 (UTC)

File:Earth and the Moon from Chang'e 5 T1.jpg
has been nominated for deletion on WikiCommons Commons:File:Earth and the Moon from Chang'e 5 T1.jpg. It needs to be reuploaded to English Wikipedia under a fair-use claim, if we want to use it to illustrate the capability that Chang'e 5-T1 displayed in its mission. -- 67.70.34.69 (talk) 11:58, 5 January 2019 (UTC)

"Kaidan"?
Could a Chinese-speaker confirm whether 怪談 is a common Chinese word and (ideally from a Cantonese rather than Mandarin perspective) whether it is pronounced anything like the Japanese kaidan? I'm a bit confused as to why The Unbelievable is in the disambig header at Kaidan rather than in the see also section, but I suspect I might be missing something since the former article doesn't include any Chinese pronunciation key (in any topolect), so rather than looking up the pronunciation and making a judgement based on my gut I figured getting a second opinion from someone who knows what they are talking about might be better. Hijiri 88 ( 聖やや ) 07:41, 30 December 2018 (UTC)


 * The jyutping (Cantonese) for it is gwaai3 taam4 (Gwai Tam), which could be spelled as kaidan. The pinyin (Mandarin) is guài tán while the Wade-Giles (Mandarin) is kuai t'an (kwai tan) -- 67.70.34.69 (talk) 12:06, 5 January 2019 (UTC)

Idea: Common pagenotice for articles in WikiProject China?
As per Village_pump_(proposals) I suggested that WikiProjects could make pagenotices covering all articles relevant to their projects.

IMO a good way to notify new users of manual of style/project guidelines is to use a common pagenotice. Please take a look and consider what kind of pagenotice you would like. Thanks, WhisperToMe (talk) 05:54, 11 January 2019 (UTC)

Weird Sino-Japanese disambig problem
is the name of both a city in Japan and a province in China. The former is very small, but the latter is in mainland China where the name is written as "云南". Inclusion of a disambig headnote for a redirect from a Chinese character name seems ... weird, and a disambiguation page with a Chinese character title is worse. If the one were named for the other we could mention it inline, but I'm pretty sure the Japanese city's name means "southern Izumo", similar to how "Sennan" means "southern Izumi", making it a coincidence. Thoughts? Hijiri 88 ( 聖やや ) 10:12, 8 January 2019 (UTC)


 * It's not weird at all, 雲南 is the traditional "spelling" for the Chinese province, and the spelling used in Taiwan for its "wayward" mainland possessions. (One China). As it is a large topic and traditionally spelled that way, the redirect should remain. A WP:CJKV disambiguation page would be fine, there's several of them already, and being a foreign language term, a dabpage would work well. A foreign language hatnote would also be fine, since those exist for other languages. The meaning according to our article is "South of the Yun(ling Mountains)" -- 70.51.201.106 (talk) 05:17, 9 January 2019 (UTC)
 * If we do create a disambiguation page 雲南 or 雲南 (disambiguation); additional entries could be China Yunnan Airlines, Yunnan Province, Republic of China, History of the administrative divisions of China before 1912 (Imperial Yunnan) -- 70.51.201.106 (talk) 05:25, 9 January 2019 (UTC)
 * Also note that traditional Chinese script is still used in Mainland China in a way cursive is used in western countries. WhisperToMe (talk) 05:57, 11 January 2019 (UTC)

«The East is Red», start class, low-importance
Other commentators agree with me that «The East is Red» is the single most important cultural artifact produced in China since 1949. Do people think that this film is some kind of joke, Maoist kitsch etc?Luo Shanlian (talk) 05:55, 11 February 2019 (UTC)
 * To be completely honest, I never even try to rate importance on articles because of the difficulties in comparing different articles to one another. As far as I'm concerned, you can feel free to remove or change the importance ranking.--Danaman5 (talk) 03:24, 14 February 2019 (UTC)

Potentional sources to add to page: Would appreciate feedback
I have found three potential sources I believe will add value to the page on Fuzhou people. I would appreciate feedback on others opinions on these sources. Chen, Aimin (January 2006). "Urbanization in China and the Case of Fujian Province". Modern China. 32: 99–130 – via JSTOR. Chin-keong, Ng (2017). Boundaries and Beyond. Singapore: NUS Press. pp. 147–174. Szonyi, Michael (2007). "Making Claims about Standardization and Orthopraxy in Late Imperial China: Rituals and Cults in the Fuzhou Region in Light of Watson's Theories". Modern China. 33: 47–71 – via JSTOR. Heylee dooley (talk) 17:22, 18 February 2019 (UTC)

Army of the Han dynasty
Please can someone who knows the topic fix these wikilinks on Army of the Han dynasty which lead to disambiguation pages: Li Ji, Liu Jiao, Liu Fei, Chen Xi, Chen Wu, Liu Heng, Liu Xiang, Chen Wu (again), Liu Pi, Liu Wu, Liu Wu (again), Liu Zhi? Dab solver can help. Thanks, Certes (talk) 23:04, 21 February 2019 (UTC)

2015 Tianjin explosions
Would appreciate some eyes on 2015 Tianjin explosions: someone keeps trying to blank the reliably cited media coverage sections because they contradict the Chinese version of events. _dk (talk) 11:09, 3 March 2019 (UTC)
 * A neither yes, nor no. As is wont for anything to do with the PRC, the "criticism of media handling" section seems to have grown beyond what is WP:DUE for an article which is not about China's censorship of media. Certainly some mention is appropriate, but it's got a bit bloated. I've trimmed back a couple of particularly extraneous paras. I'm speaking especially of RWB, which is effectively an advocacy group for privately-owned capitalist media and as such tends to make every event in a country that limits press freedom about the press freedom issue. When dealing with a tragedy like this, that's at the very least a little distasteful. That being said, reports of weibuo users being instructed to cite only official casualty figures and "avoid spreading rumours" are due, encyclopedic and actually interesting and should be retained. Simonm223 (talk) 18:17, 5 March 2019 (UTC)
 * I cut the CNN paragraph as being likely without context. I mean it'd not be the first time a pushy CNN field reporter got asked to stop filming in a hospital lobby because they were in the damn way. Simonm223 (talk) 18:18, 5 March 2019 (UTC)

Help with The Wandering Earth
A new user has provided an excerpt from the end credits of this movie to show that Tao Liu contributed additional music for the score. Do we have any established members that were thinking of seeing this movie and who might be willing to pay attention to the end credits to verify that this is what they say?

Thanks,

Samsara 15:13, 5 March 2019 (UTC)
 * In looking at the dispute, I do not believe the issue is whether Tao Liu contributed to the music, but rather in what way. There are plenty of sources that attribute the music to Liu and Chen: this from Variety and this from the Hollywood Reporter. The basis of the dispute seems to be centered on this question: Should Liu be credited as equal music contributor, additional composer, or having provided additional music? Mkdw  talk 16:53, 5 March 2019 (UTC)
 * Just to clarify - I also did a web search initially, and those sources did not yet come up for me (not created yet or not indexed/highly pageranked, my guess). That was the basis of my suggesting to omit the name entirely, as that might perhaps resolve the conflict. If the person is widely listed as second-named but otherwise equal-ranking to Roc Chen, then we should obviously reflect that. In any case, it doesn't seem to me to be an issue worth arguing over. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ Samsara 18:39, 5 March 2019 (UTC)

Hi Samsara and Mkdw, thanks for your help. Actually we are not focusing on the "additional composer" for now as major media such as mTime(the source the other user who keeps doing the vandalism quoted), Douban, and IMDB has Tao Liu listed as Additional Composer, if you still do not believe maybe you can just go see the film and you'll clearly see at the ending roller credit Tao Liu is listed as the additional composer. Variety and some other press, which I believe sourced from Wikipedia for the credits may have not included "additional composer" for Tao Liu because of Wikipedia back then didn't have the word "additional composer" because of the vandalism of the user "Lester1321". The user "Lester1321" is not even focusing on keep changing the "additional composer" word now because now we have valid sources, he is focusing on other ways to attack the main composer by adding slanders for the main composer's music is a plagiarism sourced from his own press platform (soundtrack magazine is his own self-press on Wechat). There're other users such as DannyS712 helping remove his slanders but he keeps adding back on intention to sabotage the main composer Roc's reputation. He and his self-press "soundtrack magazine" is known to sabotage Roc and other Chinese film composers' reputation since a few years ago. Hope you can temporarily protect this page. Wraper11 (talk) 17:05, 5 March 2019 (UTC)

Hi Samsara and Mkdw, Wikipedia ZH (Chinese) has already started a temporarily semi-protection for the Chinese wandering earth page https://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/流浪地球_(电影) I guess maybe it's easier for them to verify this because a lot of content are Chinese. Wraper11 (talk) 17:24, 5 March 2019 (UTC)
 * As mentioned previously, several of your requests to have the article semi-protected have been formally declined, including repeated requests at WP:RFPP. Continuing to further request the article be protected may be seen as disruptive and venue shopping. We have other methods of dispute resolution on the English Wikipedia to resolve these types of issues that require consensus building. I strongly suggest you adhere to this advice or you may be blocked from editing; a solution more likely to be used if the issue is confined to one or two individuals, rather than locking an entire article from editing by the wider community. The English Wikipedia has different policies and standards than the Chinese Wikipedia and essentially should be considered completely separate and independent from one another. Mkdw  talk 17:38, 5 March 2019 (UTC)

The new issue seems to be whether this is a reliable source. Hoping to get some insights here. Samsara 23:30, 5 March 2019 (UTC)

GAR notice
CAC/PAC JF-17 Thunder, an article that you or your project may be interested in, has been nominated for a community good article reassessment. If you are interested in the discussion, please participate by adding your comments to the reassessment page. If concerns are not addressed during the review period, the good article status may be removed from the article.Nigel Ish (talk) 19:48, 14 March 2019 (UTC)

Oei Hui-lan
I took over the abandoned review of Oei Hui-lan a while ago, but the original nominator no longer appears active. If someone from this wikiprojet wishes to respond to my comments at Talk:Oei Hui-lan/GA1 that would be great. I will probably close it as a fail if no one responds in a week or so. AIRcorn (talk) 18:26, 19 March 2019 (UTC)

Is this a good topic for a new article?
I want to created an article about red movie 红色电影 - is this a good topic? --Shivashang (talk) 09:19, 22 March 2019 (UTC)

Merger proposal
九龍 (disambiguation). See the "merger proposal" section. Woshiyiweizhongguo<b style="color:#00205B">ren</b> (<b style="color:#0077C0">🇨🇳</b>) 16:01, 31 March 2019 (UTC)

Name order for Chinese mathematicians
There is a move discussion at Talk:Tian Gang, with a disagreement about whether we should treat all mathematicians the same or all Chinese people the same in terms of their names. More input would be welcome. —Kusma (t·c) 07:33, 6 April 2019 (UTC)

Li Yi Bar, a problematic article about a notable topic?
I found Li Yi Bar while doing new page curation, and although the topic seems to be notable in terms of internet culture, the treatment is problematic. I don't have enough knowledge to do much about it, though. --Slashme (talk) 14:49, 9 April 2019 (UTC)

A new newsletter directory is out!
A new Newsletter directory has been created to replace the old, out-of-date one. If your WikiProject and its taskforces have newsletters (even inactive ones), or if you know of a missing newsletter (including from sister projects like WikiSpecies), please include it in the directory! The template can be a bit tricky, so if you need help, just post the newsletter on the template's talk page and someone will add it for you.
 * – Sent on behalf of Headbomb. 03:11, 11 April 2019 (UTC)

Gonggong linked from astronomy naming poll, could use expansion, images
There's an official poll here to decide on a name for the largest unnamed object in the solar system, OR10, and the hosts link to our article Gonggong. I can't find any PD images of Gonggong, though I did add a couple that look basically similar. Anyway, if anyone here can find (or create) an image, that would be nice for people coming here because of the poll. There aren't many Chinese names of astronomical bodies, and the other two options (Holle and Vili) are German and Norse, and IMO European mythology is already represented well enough. — kwami (talk) 09:41, 16 April 2019 (UTC)

Nomination of Portal:Three Kingdoms for deletion
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Nomination of Portal:Falun Gong for deletion
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"This is a Chinese name."
Template:Chinese name is conventionally placed at the top of articles, but when the article title is not actually the person's real name (or even Chinese!) the wording doesn't make a whole lot of sense. At Junjun (singer), for example, the only way to read it as making logical sense is to that the "this" as referring to the following line of text where she is introduced by her actual name, which is clearly not how it was intended. What's the normal solution for this? Has it come up before? Hijiri 88 ( 聖やや ) 04:48, 8 May 2019 (UTC)


 * I don't think there's a guideline for this. I'm sure most readers can tell that the template on Junjun (singer) refers to her real name, not the stage name. -Zanhe (talk) 05:00, 8 May 2019 (UTC)
 * Oh, I'm not saying readers will be genuinely confused; I'm saying it's grammatically odd, and if it was text manually inserted into the article I would change it to read Li Chun is a Chinese name or perhaps even This person's Chinese name is given in East Asian naming order (that is what the template is actually saying, right?), but the problem is that it's a template. Hijiri 88 ( 聖やや ) 23:25, 8 May 2019 (UTC)
 * I guess you could write a manual hatnote instead of using the template. -Zanhe (talk) 04:25, 10 May 2019 (UTC)

Ili Kazakh Autonomous Prefecture
Hi! Can someone help me to find chinese name of all heads (first secratary and governars) of Ili Kazakh Autonomous Prefecture?--Kaiyr (talk) 11:19, 27 April 2019 (UTC)


 * According to Chinese Wikipedia, the party secretary is Zhao Tianjie (赵天杰), and the governor is Ku'ermashi Si'erjiang (zh:库尔玛什·斯尔江; Құрмаш Сыржанұлы). -Zanhe (talk) 04:59, 8 May 2019 (UTC)
 * Thank you. Could you help me to find all party secretary of Ili Kazakh Autonomous Prefecture?--Kaiyr (talk) 05:21, 8 May 2019 (UTC)
 * zh:伊犁哈萨克自治州 lists all former governors of Ili with their names in Chinese and Kazakh, but it doesn't list party secretaries except the incumbent. I couldn't find any other reliable info online. -Zanhe (talk) 04:23, 10 May 2019 (UTC)
 * Is there any information about governorss of Altay Prefecture and Tacheng Prefecture? Or here: --Kaiyr (talk) 06:27, 10 May 2019 (UTC)

Including Chinese titles
Hi there, I am not very familiar with Chinese artists formatting. But is there anything wrong with putting Chinese titles beside the English titles of films and dramas on the artists page? Like what this user has been suggesting. He/she might be right since I don't see people doing it for Korean or Japanese artists. Thanks for the input. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Rayshor (talk • contribs) 22:37, 11 May 2019 (UTC)


 * I would say that excluding Chinese titles is only acceptable if there is an official translation. If some Wikipedia user translates the Chinese to English, then removes the Chinese, the term becomes hard to search for, and hard to verify. 50.202.21.73 (talk) 14:35, 14 May 2019 (UTC)

The Great Wall of China: Documentary
TV Movie 2007, Discovery Channel, National Geographic. The protagonist is Qi Jiguang, an historical character. Geng Zhou, one of his soldiers, is a fictional character, but Chang Ang, the Mongol military leader, is surely an historical character. If you don't know very well this documentary, you can see the full video (Part 1, Part 2). Their names can also be changed: Here Geng Zhou is renamed Zhou Li. Geng Zhou is a fictional character, but in this documentary he is the second main protagonist after Qi Jiguang, then he could have an own page. You could also create the page about that documentary Behind the Great Wall. Please, can you help me, because I'm too busy? Thank you very much. --79.44.235.28 08:12, 27 May 2019 (UTC)

Book references for conventions in Shanghainese?
I wanted to see how to get the Shanghainese/Wu names of schools from a dictionary. A Chinese user showed me a website which gives the Wu pinyin and tones, but he added that a school in Shanghainese is stated as "學堂" rather than "学校/學校" which is used in Mandarin and Cantonese. However he wasn't aware of any books which explain the conventions of Shanghainese and the differences between Mandarin and Shanghainese.

Do any of you know of any publications which would explicitly state this in the text?

Thank you, WhisperToMe (talk) 09:48, 9 May 2019 (UTC)


 * Qian Nairong has written a number of books on Shanghainese. They're not available online, but you can usually buy them quite cheaply at one of the online Chinese bookstores such as Dangdang. -Zanhe (talk) 04:27, 10 May 2019 (UTC)
 * Yes, I can attest to this claim, but I don't think I have anything written following Wu convention. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Viztor (talk • contribs) 02:06, 29 May 2019 (UTC)

Nomination of Portal:Shanghai for deletion
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Forbidden City / Palace Museum
Editors are currently working at Template talk:Palace Museum to improve the template and create stubs about buildings in Forbidden City. WikiProject China members are invited to please come help! --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 22:10, 10 June 2019 (UTC)

Discussion on Minnie Chan of the South China Morning Post on the reliable sources noticeboard
There is a discussion on the reliability of Minnie Chan's reports in the South China Morning Post on the reliable sources noticeboard. If you're interested, please participate at. —  Newslinger  talk   09:18, 20 June 2019 (UTC)

New: List of international presidential trips made by Xi Jinping
I started today List of international presidential trips made by Xi Jinping. It's still in a very early stage. 2018 is covered, and 2015 to 2017 are covered partially. --MarioGom (talk) 15:28, 22 June 2019 (UTC)

C/e needed for student article
Some of my students wrote School district houses in China but they are ESL and that article needs some c/e. Seems like a notable topic, at least. --<sub style="border:1px solid #228B22;padding:1px;">Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus&#124; reply here 10:56, 24 June 2019 (UTC)

Controversy at The Lancet
Please see this and other edits there. Input from knowledgeable editors requested. Thanks. --Randykitty (talk) 09:31, 30 June 2019 (UTC)

Discussion on Maxit (maxit.my) on the reliable sources noticeboard
There is a discussion on the reliability of Maxit (maxit.my) on the reliable sources noticeboard. If you're interested, please participate at. —  Newslinger  talk   22:48, 11 July 2019 (UTC)

Typo: "Discussion" tab misspelled as "dicussion"
I tried to change it but I couldn't figure out how. If somebody could fix that, that'd be great! LittleCuteSuit (talk) 01:36, 18 July 2019 (UTC)
 * fixed. Kanguole 12:08, 18 July 2019 (UTC)

Education templates
Hi, guys! Re: Template:Education in China by location and Template:Education in China I created the former, but I'm wondering if it should be merged into the latter. Do you think the latter needs to be reorganized? WhisperToMe (talk) 21:41, 10 July 2019 (UTC)
 * I support merging because it's currently very short and would make for an easy merge. Having a subcategory like "Education by location" would work. As for reorganization... There are a LOT of articles listed, and some of them seem to be less notable than others. If we wanted to slim it down, taking some less notable articles off could work. Also, some subcategories also only have one link, such as Vocational education or Defunct institutions. These could be merged into other subcategories. We could even create sub-subcategories. I'm all for reducing redundancy and cutting down the fat. —Bobbychan193 (talk) 08:16, 10 August 2019 (UTC)

Impressions and suggestions from a new member
I recently joined WikiProject China, starting my contributions small by doing some article assessments. I just browsed through the links on the side panel, but most of them (except the ones that are bot-driven) seem to be seriously outdated. Is there anyone who's generally active in this WikiProject? I want to help revamp/revitalize the WikiProject somehow.

I'm trying to think of specific, tangible ways to boost the engagement and productivity of WikiProject China. A lot of the interfaces seem a little old-fashioned and could be updated, which would help draw in new members. I'm currently a member of the Guild of Copy Editors, which has a really good coordinator team and high levels of member engagement (quality matters more than quantity in many cases). Perhaps we should try to establish a similar coordinator team (if there are even enough active members to do so)? I'm sure there are other WikiProjects out there as well that are similarly active, so if anyone is a part of those and has specific ideas, do pitch in. Let's discuss ways to improve WikiProject China! —Bobbychan193 (talk) 07:57, 10 August 2019 (UTC)


 * Hi Bobbychan193: Other projects seem to be doing great with monthly contests (examples: Military history/Contest, Guild of Copy Editors/Backlog elimination drives). I think choosing coordinators is a good idea, but first we would need something to coordinate ;-) --MarioGom (talk) 15:55, 11 August 2019 (UTC)
 * Yeah we could definitely have a monthly contest for article creation, article cleanup/copy editing, translating, etc. But first, I think we need to update outdated project pages and appoint a coordinator team.


 * In many other WikiProjects (like GOCE or MILHIST), coordinators play the roles of facilitators (rather than leaders or rulers). Here is an example from the GOCE: coordinators are the designated points of contact for issues concerning the project, and are responsible for maintaining the Guild's internal structure and processes. They coordinate Guild activities, maintain our pages, and organize Drives and Blitzes. They have no authority over article content or editor conduct and have no special powers conferred by their Guild activities. As such, I'd like to see experienced and active members step up and nominate themselves, and everyone can vote. Bobbychan193 (talk) 20:05, 11 August 2019 (UTC)

Help with AfC submission
I am a regular reviewer at AfC. Normally I would simply ask about referencing and use Google Translate to see the content. However, this one looks a little more complicated than most non-English referenced drafts I run into. Is it possible someone could evaluate Draft:Jefferson Qian for notability and let me know their thoughts? TIA. CNMall41 (talk) 19:34, 11 July 2019 (UTC)
 * After reading the draft, I'd say the subject is notable enough, given multiple appearances on major shows, such as Singer 2019. Furthermore, the subject, aged 18, happens to be rather young, so assuming that they continue to develop their music/entertainment career, their notability will only continue to increase in the future.
 * On another note, I've spotted quite a few grammar/MOS mistakes in the draft. I could help with some copy editing if it gets approved. —Bobbychan193 (talk) 08:23, 10 August 2019 (UTC)
 * , thanks for the note. I will approve the draft now and leave a copyedit tag at the top. --CNMall41 (talk) 23:03, 11 August 2019 (UTC)

Transliteration
After discussion on Talk:Wade–Giles, I'm assuming that Wikipedia should represent the character in Wade-Giles transliteration of Chinese words as a straight apostrophe, following MOS:STRAIGHT. Please let me know if you have an objection; if I don't hear any, I plan to start making articles consistent with that interpretation. Thanks! -- Beland (talk) 14:44, 14 August 2019 (UTC)
 * , I object to changing the "correct" spiritus asper to a straight apostrophe. Many people incorrectly assume that it is an apostrophe or use ` instead of the correct ῾, but we shouldn't change correct usage to incorrect usage. MOS:STRAIGHT does not tell us which marks to use in transliteration systems. If you want to do a mass change, either change to ῾ or change all ` to ', but don't change ῾ to '. —Kusma (t·c) 15:04, 14 August 2019 (UTC)
 * OK, that makes sense. We have okina to prevent that Polynesian letter from being confused with apostrophe or getting converted to straight quotes. I'm trying to decide what might be a good equivalent for this character; spiritus asper seems a bit long; maybe asper? dasia is short and uses an alternate name for this character which is in some of the Unicode guides. -- Beland (talk) 20:14, 14 August 2019 (UTC)
 * As long as the template explains what it does, I am not too concerned about its name, but would go to asper probably. Here btw is a scholarly review mentioning the choice of character: . Given that the apostrophe is nowadays widely used, perhaps we shouldn't go around replacing all apostrophes by spiritus asper signs, but protecting those that are there is an excellent idea. —Kusma (t·c) 20:21, 14 August 2019 (UTC)
 * Perfect, I'll use that. To start with I'm cleaning up numerical HTML entities, and at some point will probably check to see if any actual okina have been used inappropriately and fix those. If the spiritus asper is in fact preferred over apostrophes (straight or otherwise), documenting that in the Manual of Style should lead to usage of the preferred punctuation over time. I'm doing an encyclopedia-wide spell check, and I'm sure a lot of romanizations with apostrophes will show up on the list of potential typos, so it's good we will know how to handle those. -- Beland (talk) 20:43, 14 August 2019 (UTC)

Kashmir related discussion
Please see the discussion at the India wikiproject noticeboard aiming to craft standardised neutral ledes for some top-level Kashmir-related articles. Abecedare (talk) 18:56, 20 August 2019 (UTC)

Noticeboard discussion on reliability of Chinese state media sources
There is a discussion on the reliability of Chinese state media sources on the reliable sources noticeboard. If you're interested, please participate at. —  Newslinger  talk   21:21, 20 August 2019 (UTC)

RfC on Template talk:Timelines of Chinese history
I have requested for comments over the inclusion of Timeline of Singaporean history in Template:Timelines of Chinese history. Would appreciate comments from editors on this. Thanks. robertsky (talk) 06:20, 21 August 2019 (UTC)

Merger proposal
Formal request has been received to merge: New Conservatism (China) into Neoauthoritarianism (China); dated: 17:11, 31 July 2019 (UTC). Input from interested editors' is requested >>>Here<<<. GenQuest "Talk to Me" 17:36, 25 August 2019 (UTC)

Wang Guodong
Shouldn’t we have an article about painter Wang Guodong, who died last week at age 88? According to the NYT, one art historian has said his portrait of Mao Zedong was “the most important painting in China”. One of his students, Ge Xiaoguang, has an article. I'm not able to write an article myself but someone who has access to Chinese sources could do it. -- MelanieN (talk) 15:06, 29 August 2019 (UTC)
 * Go for it MelanieN! You are an experienced editor. The NY Times article is a perfectly good source, and other editors will be more willing to revise or expand your article than they are to start one of their own. Even a couple of paragraphs would be a great contribution.ch (talk) 22:55, 31 August 2019 (UTC)
 * I created Wang Guodong (painter) after reading the NYT obit, please check it out. Cheers, -Zanhe (talk) 23:28, 31 August 2019 (UTC)
 * Good work! and thank you. We really needed an article on this man. -- MelanieN (talk) 23:35, 31 August 2019 (UTC)

Time to split Foreign relations of China
The article on Foreign relations of China is over 200,000 bytes, so I propose to splitted at approximately 1989-91, after the section on Tiananmen Square (1989-1991), Which also marks the end of the Cold War and the end of the USSR. Any comments? Rjensen (talk) 10:37, 26 August 2019 (UTC)
 * Seems fine to me. Bobbychan193 (talk) 01:34, 27 August 2019 (UTC)
 * I started a discussion at Talk:Foreign relations of China. I thank for taking the initiative and setting a much needed example of a respected senior editor taking responsibility for curating existing articles. But making the split without discussion with more editors may cause problems.


 * Briefly, I agree that it is time to split but not that 1991 is the place. Stopping Foreign relations of Imperial China at 1800 omits more than a century of imperial China; History of foreign relations of China going 1800-1990 leaves out the first 40 years. Foreign relations of China (PRC) should start in 1949, when PRC starts. Please continue discussion at Foreign relations of China. ch (talk)
 * Foreign relations of China in my opinion should deal with current events -- not history seven decades back.  a split at 1949 distorts history badly by splitting careers of Mao, Chou, Deng and many others. It makes the Cold War a current event, and it adds 50,000++ bytes to this overlong article.  Rjensen (talk) 04:39, 1 September 2019 (UTC)

Discussion invitation
Hi. I invite users here to a discussion on map coloring for the UN. Wadaad (talk) 08:52, 1 September 2019 (UTC)

Discussion about Second Cold War
The content of Second Cold War is discussed at Talk:Second Cold War. I invite you for input. -- George Ho (talk) 04:21, 11 September 2019 (UTC)

Out-dated info might be deleted
Info about Soho China is mostly from several years ago. Just got some recent one and update
 * This seems at least several months old. It has not been archived by the bot, probably because it's unsigned and has no timestamp. Commenting here in case anyone wants to manually archive it. Bobbychan193 (talk) 17:26, 13 September 2019 (UTC)

China-related BLP GANs
I recently helped get Ding Junhui to GA status. I've also nominated Sun Yang if anyone wants to review it (especially if you're an expert in BLPs or swimming). Bobbychan193 (talk) 17:29, 13 September 2019 (UTC)

Official name of Xinjiang re-education camps discussion
There is a discussion about whether the Chinese government’s official name for the Xinjiang re-education camps should be given first in the lead. Any input would be appreciated. — MarkH21 (talk) 20:44, 29 September 2019 (UTC)

Shenzhen metro
Hi,

I posted a comment on the Shenzhen metro talk page re the metro map on that page. Any help anyone can provide on that is appreciated. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 218.102.162.90 (talk) 03:29, 1 October 2019 (UTC)

RfC on reliability of The Epoch Times
There is a request for comment on the reliability of The Epoch Times. If you are interested, please participate at. —  Newslinger  talk   04:54, 8 October 2019 (UTC)

Page move discussion
Cwmhiraeth (talk) 10:12, 13 October 2019 (UTC)

Music of Hebei
I have recently nominated this article for proposed deletion, on the grounds that it contains such a small amount of information, there is no equivalent of this page on other editions of Wikipedia, and many other articles by User:TUF-KAT have been deleted as well. Per WP:HEY, however, I believe there is a chance that we could save this article, if it is worth saving. A small chance, but a chance nonetheless. I am no expert on Chinese operas myself, so that's why I am asking here, to see if anyone knows enough about the article topic that they could make sufficient improvements to the article so that it can be prevented from being deleted. 𝕎𝕚𝕜𝕚𝕎𝕒𝕣𝕣𝕚𝕠𝕣𝟡𝟡𝟙𝟡 (talk) 18:22, 17 October 2019 (UTC)

Request for information on WP1.0 web tool
Hello and greetings from the maintainers of the WP 1.0 Bot! As you may or may not know, we are currently involved in an overhaul of the bot, in order to make it more modern and maintainable. As part of this process, we will be rewriting the web tool that is part of the project. You might have noticed this tool if you click through the links on the project assessment summary tables.

We'd like to collect information on how the current tool is used by....you! How do you yourself and the other maintainers of your project use the web tool? Which of its features do you need? How frequently do you use these features? And what features is the tool missing that would be useful to you? We have collected all of these questions at this Google form where you can leave your response. Walkerma (talk) 04:24, 27 October 2019 (UTC)

Guotai
I've removed the disambiguation tag from Guotai because it isn't a disambiguation page. If there's a better category than Category:Romanization of Chinese then perhaps someone can add it. Thanks. Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 14:08, 28 October 2019 (UTC)
 * I think you've misunderstood the page. It's not a romanization method – it's a particular name that is ambiguous in pinyin without tone marks.  The page certainly looks like a disambiguation page to me.  Kanguole 14:25, 28 October 2019 (UTC)
 * Most of the targets for entries on the page don't mention "Guotai" so the page doesn't "help a reader find the right Wikipedia article when different topics could be referred to by the same search term". Rather it's an article about a particular Chinese "phrase" (is that the right word?), and I couldn't find a category similar to Category:Latin words and phrases. Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 15:15, 28 October 2019 (UTC)
 * The Chinese names of these things do include Guótài (國泰/国泰) – it's the Chinese form of "Cathay". But this is not a notable term, and in any case Wikipedia is not a dictionary.  This really is a disambiguation page.  Kanguole 15:38, 28 October 2019 (UTC)

Requested move
Cwmhiraeth (talk) 10:46, 30 October 2019 (UTC)

Requested move discussion
Greetings! I have recently relisted a requested move discussion at Talk:Shalingzi West railway station, regarding a page relating to this WikiProject. Discussion and opinions are invited. Thanks, comrade waddie96 ★ (talk) 11:22, 31 October 2019 (UTC)

"Office selling (China)"
A couple of months ago I thought I would write this article (linked above) which is vital to both the military and economic history of the Qing but I don't think that I can "do it justice" at the moment, as I know that you're also very passionate about Chinese culture and Chinese history I could show you the two "main sources" I was planning on using, and you could pick it up if you'd ever be interested:


 * Silver, Copper, Rice, and Debt: Monetary Policy and Office Selling in China during the Taiping Rebellion
 * http://www.chinaknowledge.de/History/Terms/juanna.html

Note that this is not a uniquely Chinese thing as the French also did it until 1776 when they were defeated by the Prussians, but the way it was implemented in the Qing dynasty is rather unique and certainly worth writing about. --Donald Trung (talk) 18:01, 23 October 2019 (UTC)


 * Copying the invitation to start a new article from my talk page on behalf of . Please contact him directly if anyone's interested. -Zanhe (talk) 23:10, 31 October 2019 (UTC)

Requested move discussion
Cwmhiraeth (talk) 11:02, 6 November 2019 (UTC)

== Please comment on RfC: What disambiguation should post-1997 Hong Kong TV series article use? ==

You are invited to join the discussion at this Request For Comment on RfC: What disambiguation should post-1997 Hong Kong TV series article use?. Gonnym (talk) 17:18, 10 November 2019 (UTC)

Category deletion discussion
Please come participate in the discussion here. Thanks! ··· 日本穣 ·  投稿  · Talk to Nihonjoe ·  Join WP Japan ! 17:31, 26 November 2019 (UTC)

Reporting in China: please read past the headlines to note who did what
I read a Kaiser Kuo [https://supchina.com/2019/07/22/why-do-chinese-people-like-their-government/ article about China and its perceptions in the West. He said]:


 * " I see this especially in headline writing where “China Prosecutes So-and-So” turns out to be about one small city’s judiciary or mayor’s office prosecuting so-and-so; think how silly it would be if, say, a story about Harlan County, Kentucky banning the teaching of evolution were headlined “US Bans Teaching of Evolution.”"

I noticed this very phenomenon with reporting on Russia, where a "Russia does this" turns out to be a municipal government. Please read past the headlines of the sources quoted and be exact with who did what.

Thanks, WhisperToMe (talk) 15:35, 10 December 2019 (UTC)

Is "Qingjiangcai" a correct term for bok choy?
I showed "Bok_choy" to some Chinese students and they told me they never use "qingjiangcai", only "xiaobaicai". I wonder which terms are correct or not? WhisperToMe (talk) 04:01, 11 December 2019 (UTC)

New bot to remove completed infobox requests
Hello! I have recently created a bot to remove completed infobox requests and am sending this message to WikiProject China since the project currently has a backlogged infobox request category. Details about the task can be found at Bots/Requests for approval/PearBOT 2, but in short it removes all infobox requests from articles with an infobox, once a week. To sign up, reply with and tell me if any special considerations are required for the Wikiproject. For example: if only a specific infobox should be detected, such as infobox journal for WikiProject Academic Journals; or if an irregularly named infobox such as starbox begin should be detected. Feel free to ask if you have any questions!

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RfC on reliability of Sixth Tone
There is a request for comment on the reliability of the online magazine Sixth Tone. If you are interested, please participate at. —  Newslinger  talk   02:37, 13 December 2019 (UTC)

English-Mandarin Wikipedia dictionary
Hi, guys! I started a meta:User:WhisperToMe/Wikimedia dictionary (Mandarin) English-Mandarin Wikipedia dictionary/glossary. Please feel free to edit it if you like! WhisperToMe (talk) 12:34, 16 December 2019 (UTC)

Move discussion for Xinjiang re-education camps
There is a discussion at Talk:Xinjiang_re-education_camps on whether the article Xinjiang re-education camps should be moved to Сoncentration camps for muslims in China. Anyone interested is invited to participate. — MarkH21talk 22:21, 16 December 2019 (UTC)

RFC on whether Simplified and Traditional Chinese characters count as the same name
Please see Wikipedia_talk:Manual_of_Style/China_and_Chinese-related_articles WhisperToMe (talk) 07:22, 1 January 2020 (UTC)

Statues outside Mausoleum of Mao Zedong
Hello! I'm curious if any project members know anything about the sculptural groups installed outside Beijing's Mausoleum of Mao Zedong. You can see many images of the statues at commons:Category:Mausoleum of Mao Zedong. Does anyone know the names of these artworks, or care to help categorize them at Wikimedia Commons for organizational purposes? Any help here would be appreciated. --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 15:53, 20 January 2020 (UTC)
 * I'm just curious if you happen to know of a helpful source that might have some information about these 4 prominent sculptural groups in Beijing? If not, no prob, just thought I'd ask! --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 16:02, 20 January 2020 (UTC)