Wikipedia talk:WikiProject China/Archive 31

Chinese characters and Written Chinese
What is the difference between our Wikipedia articles on Chinese characters and Written Chinese? Both articles talk about the history, functions, and usage of Chinese characters. The only difference I can see is that the article on Chinese characters also discusses the adaptation of Chinese characters in other languages. This does make sense, but my question is, is that intended to be the only difference between the two articles? Are the articles supposed to be the exact same, except for the article on Chinese characters dealing with other countries as well? Hko2333 (talk) 15:02, 24 January 2020 (UTC)

No basis for "lucky flowers", correct?
Hi! All of the zodiac entries like Rat (zodiac) include mention of a "Lucky Flower". It struck me as suspicious, so I did some searching and couldn't find a reputable source. I asked on Quora, and a Chinese astrologer agrees that there's no basis for the flowers.

Should we delete this information from each zodiac page? I can't even find reference to how or when this originated in the West, so we can't even talk about it in that context. -- Zanimum (talk) 20:37, 29 January 2020 (UTC)

Renaming discussions on Chinese history
There are renaming discussions currently active at Talk:Incorporation of Xinjiang into the People's Republic of China and Talk:Incorporation of Tibet into the People's Republic of China relating to Chinese history. Participation is welcome. — MarkH21talk 19:44, 31 January 2020 (UTC)

Missing agency/ministry article
We need an article for China Coal Information Institute & National Institute for Occupational Safety (its official name in English ), plus redirects from: I don't know enough about machine translating accurately from "bureaucratese" in Chinese, much less doing proper translation from Chinese, to take this on. They seem to have info in English on their own site, but that's only good for WP:ABOUTSELF stuff. — SMcCandlish ☏ ¢ 😼  00:28, 4 February 2020 (UTC)
 * China Coal Information Institute and National Institute for Occupational Safety
 * China Coal Information Institute, and National Institute for Occupational Safety
 * CCIINICS, CCII_NICS, CCII & NICS, CCII&NICS, CCII-NICS, CCII–NICS, CCII/NICS
 * CCII and NICS exist already, so need disambiguation
 * China Coal Industry Publishing House ; China Coal Industry Publishing ; China Coal Industry Press
 * China Coal Audio–Video Publishing House ; China Coal Audio-Video Publishing House ; China Coal Audio–Video Publishing ; China Coal Audio-Video Publishing ; China Coal Audio–Video Press ; China Coal Audio-Video Press
 * possibly some on subsidiaries, depending on article layout
 * plus redirs from Simplied and Traditional Chinese names, which people may copy-paste from documents, Chinese news, etc.

Discussion about wikipedia "Manual of Style/China and Chinese-related articles"
You are invited to join the discussion at Wikipedia talk:Manual of Style/China and Chinese-related articles, which is about a wikipedia that is within the scope of this WikiProject. Ythlev (talk) 22:33, 8 February 2020 (UTC)

split kaiping colliery and PMR
I have made a proposal regarding spliting the Kaiping Tramway and Imperial Railways of North China at Talk:Kaiping Tramway and Imperial Railways of North China. I'd like to hear your views on it.Johnson.Xia (talk) 02:15, 15 February 2020 (UTC)

Battle of Changping
Hi, an editor has recently modified the article on the Battle of Changping stating that "449,760 soldiers and war animals were buried alive." The source linked to mentions soldiers but not war animals. A similar edit was made at Han (state). Could any of you provide some input? Thanks. --Mr. Vernon (talk) 05:46, 24 February 2020 (UTC)

Hatnote for Chinese names of people
There is a discussion concerning the replacement of hatnotes using the Chinese name template with inline footnotes using a newly-created Chinese name 2 template. Feel free to give your input at the talkpage of MOS-ZH. --Cold Season (talk) 19:51, 24 February 2020 (UTC)

Input requested at Timeline of the 2019–20 coronavirus outbreak in February 2020#Splitting proposal.
Hi everyone, I have started a discussion regarding an article split on the page https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Timeline_of_the_2019%E2%80%9320_coronavirus_outbreak_in_February_2020#Splitting_proposal. I would like to request input from members of this project. Thank You! Aceing_Winter_Snows_Harsh_Cold (talk) 03:12, 1 March 2020 (UTC)

RfC on wording in the lead of 1976 Tangshan earthquake
There is an RfC on the wording of "ceased to exist" regarding the lead of 1976 Tangshan earthquake. All editors are encouraged to participate. Thanks. — MarkH21talk 07:28, 3 March 2020 (UTC)

KWG Property
A promotional editor had his way with this article the last two years. He was the only subtantial editor.

I restored the February 2018 version.

I expect him to come back and try again. Please watchlist this page.

There are no doubt a few useful things in the edits I undid, but they will need verification. The company name may have changed but that also needs verification. See Talk:KWG Property for details. davidwr/ (talk)/(contribs)  03:50, 12 March 2020 (UTC)

Inclusion of Taiwan in maps
Hello everybody, there is a discussion on WikiProject Taiwan going on on whether Taiwan can be included in maps of China if it is already made distinct (from mainland China) to reflect its disputed status, feel free to discuss there. -- Akira 😼 CA  08:47, 14 March 2020 (UTC)

RFC Discussion: Definition of Houston's Chinatown?
Please see the request for comment Talk:Chinatown,_Houston regarding how Chinatown (the Southwest one) in Houston should be defined.

Thanks WhisperToMe (talk) 01:13, 16 March 2020 (UTC)

Names of Wong Kim Ark's sons
Hi. I'm hoping to find some information regarding the names of Wong Kim Ark's four sons. Wong Kim Ark, as many of you may already know, was the subject of an 1898 US Supreme Court decision that affirmed he was a US citizen per the Citizenship Clause of the 14th Amendment, because he was born in the US, and despite his being of Chinese descent.

Wong's four sons are recorded in US immigration records (early 1900s) as having the following names (Chinese characters plus English transcriptions):


 * 黃毓煥 (Wong Yoke Fun)
 * 黃郁賜 (Wong Yook Sue)
 * 黃沃修 (Wong Yook Thue)
 * 黃沃沾 (Wong Yook Jim)

My questions:


 * In the first son's name, is "Yoke" a plausible transcription for his generation name, 毓 (in the Taishanese dialect used in Wong Kim Ark's ancestral region)? One person editing the Wong Kim Ark article right now is arguing that it should be "Yook", just like the other son's names, and that the immigration hearing transcript's use of "Yoke" is suspect.


 * I note that the four names use three different characters (毓, 郁, and 沃) for their generation names — and yet they all appear to sound the same, or nearly the same, based on the English transcriptions. Are these three characters homonyms (or near-homonyms) in the Taishanese dialect?  Is there any plausible explanation for why the four sons would have had different generation names in this way?

I have no familiarity at all with Chinese (written form or any dialect), so I would be grateful for any knowledgeable insights here. I have also posed this same question at the Asian Americans project, but have so far not received any replies there. — Rich wales (no relation to Jimbo) 01:10, 22 March 2020 (UTC)


 * That is a strange thing. Generational middle names, to my knowledge, are usually the same character. But a dictionary search confirms that each of those characters are indeed homonyms read yūk or juk1 (Jyutping & Yale romanization, respectively) in Standard Cantonese (they aren't in Mandarin, though). Taishanese is a Cantonese dialect, and so I would surmise that they'd be homophonous in Taishanese, as well. But another dictionary might give an answer: the first character 毓 (the one spelled differently in the immigration records) apparently can be read in the sixth tone yuhk or juk6. That might have sounded more like "Yoke" to the immigration officer.  White Whirlwind  咨   04:14, 22 March 2020 (UTC)

China virus
There is currently an effort (which I oppose) over at the talk page for Severe acute respiratory syndrome coronavirus 2 (The cause of COVID-19) to have "China virus" listed as an alterative name in the lead of the article, I would be greatful if contributors to this wikiproject can provide their own perspective on the issue. Kind regards Hemiauchenia (talk) 13:26, 24 March 2020 (UTC)

Jincheng Group up for deletion
Seems like a large corporation, but article is completely unreferenced. Language problem? Wikipedia systemic bias? Fails WP:GNG claim? 7&amp;6=thirteen (☎) 13:36, 24 March 2020 (UTC)

Opinions on civil service and cadres--new article or addition to preexisting?
Hi all--I left a note on Talk:Civil Service of the People's Republic of China regarding whether or not the cadre system of China deserves its own article or should be worked into the civil service one; any thoughts or suggestions from y'all would be super appreciated, even if they're more clerical/administrative (I'm still new, trying to figure it all out) WhinyTheYounger (talk) 14:56, 28 March 2020 (UTC)

RfC on "mainland China" or "China" in article titles opened
Hello everybody, I've opened a RfC on "mainland China" vs "China" in article titles here. Feel free to discuss there! -- Akira 😼 CA  01:17, 2 April 2020 (UTC)

RfC on scope of wet market article
Hi, there is a new RfC here on whether the scope of the article wet market should include those outside of Southeast/East Asia. Any participation is welcome! — MarkH21talk 21:16, 11 April 2020 (UTC)

Including native scripts of author names in citation templates?
In Help_talk:Citation_Style_1 I inquired about the ability to include native scripts of titles of works and of authors. It turns out the citation template does allow input of native scripts of titles, but it does not have this capability for authors yet. In Chinese studies it is useful to know the hanzi of an author for a Chinese language works, so I suggested allowing the ability for native scripts of authors too. WhisperToMe (talk) 22:44, 15 April 2020 (UTC)

Templates for external links to Baidu Baike and Baike.com
Hi! I have created templates to link to Baidu Baike and Baike.com articles. These are Baidu Baike and Baike.com, respectively. They are based on Britannica. You can see an example page using both at Ming River. There are also hidden categories to find pages using them: Category:Articles with Baidu Baike links and Category:Articles with Baike.com links. If you have any feedback, please, share! Best, --MarioGom (talk) 22:20, 14 April 2020 (UTC)
 * Also remember these should never be cited as actual references, so these are useful to go through and re-cite... WhisperToMe (talk) 22:45, 15 April 2020 (UTC)
 * Right. That's in the template docs: Given Wikipedia's policy on user-generated content, its usage is generally not appropriate for references. I'm quite surprised with the amount of actual references to Baidu Baike and Baike.com (not just external links)... --MarioGom (talk) 22:49, 15 April 2020 (UTC)
 * A lot of Chinese people overly rely on the sites, and the drive-by editors citing them are probably not aware they aren't to be cited. To notify the public we need intrusive article notices that appear at the top of China-related articles pointing to a list of guidelines, like "Don't cite Baidu!". WhisperToMe (talk) 22:59, 15 April 2020 (UTC)
 * That would be too intrusive, in my opinion. Explicit references to Baidu Baike and Baike.com have a positive side-effect: they make it much easier to detect Wikipedia articles that contain copypastes (direct translations). --MarioGom (talk) 09:57, 16 April 2020 (UTC)
 * The Baike links should exist in the external links section, similar to other user generated content sites --- 65.94.170.207 (talk) 23:58, 20 April 2020 (UTC)

GB2626-2006
I was wondering if anyone was up to creating a GB2626 or GB2626-2006 or KN95 article? Considering the current worldwide hubbub, I think the various local standards should get coverage, somewhere. -- 65.94.170.207 (talk) 00:00, 21 April 2020 (UTC)

Unifying WikiProject userboxes
We currently have two userbox templates, one of them with a variation: I have modified User WP China so that it can generate both flag and non-flag versions: But it would be good to merge both and have them the more standard name: User WikiProject China. If the change looks good to you, the migration path would be: What do you think? --MarioGom (talk) 00:28, 24 April 2020 (UTC)
 * 1) Applying sandboxed changes to User WP China
 * 2) Manually fix parameters for User WikiProject China in a couple of user pages that use special parameters.
 * 3) File a WP:BOTREQ to change all  instances to . This step would keep every user page with the same image as before.
 * 4) Move User WP China to User WikiProject China


 * It would be better to use a switch for PRC, with the Great Wall as the default style
 * results in the flag
 * -- 65.94.170.207 (talk) 20:46, 24 April 2020 (UTC)
 * My thinking for the proposal is that using the current official flag is far more common in country WikiProjects, but still, the migration would be done in a way that the Great Wall image would NOT be changed to the flag for anyone who has it in their user page. --MarioGom (talk) 07:41, 25 April 2020 (UTC)
 * It's a political can of worms, that resulted in a giant debate over article disambiguation terms, "China", the One China policy, separate pages for China and PRC lists and topics, Chinese civilization, etc. So, better not reopen it just for a user box. -- 65.94.170.207 (talk) 09:11, 25 April 2020 (UTC)
 * We have the flag version since 2011 anyway. It's just that both versions are under confusing different names (WP/WikiProject). MarioGom (talk) 09:36, 26 April 2020 (UTC)

Draft:Fujian–Taiwan relationships
Could somebody take a look at Draft:Fujian–Taiwan relationships. Due to most of the references being Chinese language, this will need a native speaker to review properly. -- RoySmith (talk) 13:15, 4 May 2020 (UTC)
 * As the submitter, please wait a while for me to improve the sources according to WP:LANGCITE. Should be available in a few days, but I'll update here when I'm done. Eumat114 formerly TLOM (Message) 13:41, 4 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Fixing ✅. Please have a look, from Eumat114 formerly TLOM (Message) 08:54, 5 May 2020 (UTC)

Input requested at Talk:COVID-19 pandemic in mainland China
Should the article summarize and quote an editorial from the tabloid Bild saying that "China planned to strengthen itself by exporting a plague and then sending aid in the form of masks"? Please give your input at Talk:COVID-19 pandemic in mainland China. —Granger (talk · contribs) 14:45, 7 May 2020 (UTC)

Province Infobox Montages
Over the past weeks, I have been noticing multiple editors adding montages to several Chinese provinces. However, many other first-level administrative divisions around the world such as those in the US, Canada, and Australia lack any sort of photographic visuals in the lead infobox. This leads me to question whether or not the addition of montages to these Chinese provinces are really necessary, especially when there are many quality images already shown within the article. Any thoughts? 73.73.86.129 (talk) 06:23, 11 May 2020 (UTC)

Discussion on article scope of Democracy in China
I’ve raised a question whether the article scope of Democracy in China should include post-1949 ROC / Taiwan. See the discussion here. Guidance is welcome! — MarkH21talk 01:46, 14 May 2020 (UTC)

Template:Lang-zh discussion
Requesting input from members of this WP at Module_talk:Lang-zh. — Goszei (talk) 18:57, 14 May 2020 (UTC)

Missing/broken references
I'm trying to make a dent in Category:Harv and Sfn no-target errors, and a few articles within the hockey sphere have issues that I can't fix on my own (~5600 issue as of writing). Basically, some refs linked via sfn and harvnb and similar have missing full citations or have some other problems. You can check these instructions to have error messages enabled (Svick's script is the simplest to use, but Trappist's script is a bit more refined if you're interested in doing deeper cleanup).

In particular, the following articles could use some of your attention • 1271 in China

• 1356 in China

• 1368 in China

• 1645 in China

• 1646 in China

• 1647 in China

• 1661 in China

• 1680 in China

• 1681 in China

• 1684 in China

• 1856 in China

• 1896 in China

• A Dictionary of the Chinese Language

• Afghanistan–China relations

• Aksai Chin

• Americans in China

• Ancient Chinese clothing

• Ancient Chinese coinage

• Argentina–China relations The cause is often copy-pasting a short reference from another article without copy-pasting the full reference. If you can find where things were copy-pasted from, you can usually find what the full reference is.

Thanks for any help you can give! &#32; Headbomb {t · c · p · b} 05:40, 16 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Thank you for the heads up. I've begun working on some of these and struck through them on your list. Especially for the year ones, they seem to be taken from articles like Timeline of the Yuan dynasty or Ming dynasty, so it's pretty easy to track them down, if anyone else wants to. WhinyTheYounger (talk) 23:58, 16 May 2020 (UTC)

Points of the compass
Somebody who, unlike me, can read sources in Chinese (and has a bit of time on their hands) could augment the article Points of the compass with the kind of material that's at 方位. As it is, the former article is pleasantly informative about archaic European nomenclature but not about the traditional division or naming of the compass elsewhere. (Although we do have token mentions within Cardinal direction -- perhaps Points of the compass and Cardinal direction really ought to be merged.) -- Hoary (talk) 00:48, 25 May 2020 (UTC)
 * I think that's a great idea. It'd help make the article more informative and have a worldwide view on the topic. LittleCuteSuit (talk) 21:25, 25 May 2020 (UTC)

Splitting proposal at Charding Nullah
Hi, there is a proposal here to split part of the article on the river Charding Nullah into a new article called Demchok dispute. Any input is appreciated! — MarkH21talk 16:56, 29 May 2020 (UTC)

Proposed merger of Dêmqog, Ngari Prefecture to Demchok
Hi! There is a merger proposal here for the articles on the village(s) of Dêmqog, Ngari Prefecture and Demchok in the Sino-Indian border dispute. Any input is appreciated! — MarkH21talk 23:30, 31 May 2020 (UTC)

RfC at Falun Gong
There is a new RfC at Talk:Falun Gong. Doug Weller talk 09:38, 13 June 2020 (UTC)

Discussion about which title to use for Xi Jinping
There is a discussion at Talk:2020 China–India skirmishes about whether Xi Jinping should be referred to as the President of China, General Secretary of the Communist Party of China, or paramount leader. Input is welcome. — MarkH21talk 11:21, 18 June 2020 (UTC)

Does/did this Chinese school ever have senior high school?
I once started an article at Shekou School but after seeing it is only a 9 year school (九年一贯制学校) at http://english.sz.gov.cn/life/education/district/nanshan/201909/t20190930_18240645.htm (English) and http://www.sz.gov.cn/school/ns/jnygz/ (Chinese) I'm wondering if Shekou School ever did have a senior high school (高级中学) level. If it did not, I would merge it into List of schools in Nanshan District, Shenzhen (which I have not yet created). It is *not* listed as a 12 year school (十二年一贯制学校) which would certainly have senior high. I suspect all the 9 year schools are just elementary and junior high.

https://skxx.szns.edu.cn/xxgk/xxjs/201709/t20170918_1236.html is the history page. I see "中学高级教师43人" but I'm not sure if these are the number of teachers at a senior high level or if it is the highest number of teachers the school ever had. I don't see any other instances of "高级", and 高中 has zero instances. WhisperToMe (talk) 22:09, 20 June 2020 (UTC)
 * IIRC, the majority of China actually doesn't get the equivalent of a high school education (that's why their test scores are so high). I also had a lot of students who came to university from "middle" schools (they didn't skip grades 10-12, they went to complete secondary schools with unfortunate names). Ian.thomson (talk) 23:06, 20 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Yup, as 中学" zhōngxué" means "secondary school" in general, with "middle school" being an overly literal translation (without consideration for what it means in the U.S.). It seems like many Chinese "zhongxue", or the ones which send students to university, are just equivalents of U.S. 6-12 schools. I'm just not sure if, in Shekou School's case, it eliminated its senior high section or if it never had one to begin with. If the school has a senior high section I treat it like a high school for notability purposes. In Mandarin our understanding of "middle school" is 初中 chūzhōng while our understanding of high school is 高中 gāozhōng. WhisperToMe (talk) 02:35, 21 June 2020 (UTC)

Administrative division of Xingtai changed
Due to the nature of my mobile app I'm unable to provide URL for the source, it can be found by searching "邢台市行政区划" in Mainland Chinese search engines.

(As a Handaner I'm very salty but it's more important to update the encyclopedia)

Please update the articles and many maps regading Xingtai divisions and maps regarding nationwide county-level divisions.

(If somebody here works on OpenStreetMap please update as well)

国务院批复同意河北省调整邢台市部分行政区划如下：

一、同意邢台市桥东区更名为襄都区，襄都区人民政府驻南长街街道顺德路229号.

二、同意邢台市桥西区更名为信都区.

三、同意撤销邢台县，将原邢台县的豫让街道、晏家屯镇、祝村镇、东汪镇划归邢台市襄都区管辖，将原邢台县的南石门镇、羊范镇、皇寺镇、会宁镇、西黄村镇、路罗镇、将军墓镇、浆水镇、宋家庄镇、太子井乡、龙泉寺乡、北小庄乡、城计头乡、白岸乡、冀家村乡划归邢台市信都区管辖.

四、同意撤销任县，设立邢台市任泽区，以原任县的行政区域为任泽区的行政区域，任泽区人民政府驻任城镇人民街389号.

五、同意撤销南和县，设立邢台市南和区，以原南和县的行政区域为南和区的行政区域，南河区人民政府驻和阳镇和阳大街285号.

Qiaodong District->Xiangdu District

Qiaoxi District->Xindu District

Xingtai County->Divided between Xiangdu and Xindu Districts(see original Chinese above for details)

Ren County->Renze District

Nanhe Country->Nanhe District

ibicdlcod (talk) 04:35, 23 June 2020 (UTC)

Merger proposal:Dêmqog, Ngari Prefecture
An article of interest to the project&mdash;Dêmqog, Ngari Prefecture&mdash;has been proposed for merging with Demchok. Project members are invited to participate at the merger discussion. AnomalousAtom (talk) 10:21, 25 June 2020 (UTC)

Request for comment on referring to the leader of China in the Manual of Style
Please see this Manual of Style RfC on whether Jiang Zemin, Hu Jintao, and Xi Jinping should be referred to as "leader ___", "Paramount leader ___", "General Secretary ____", or "President ____". — MarkH21talk 03:34, 2 July 2020 (UTC)

Translation check request
Can somebody please check the Chinese translation of the title in this article - National Intelligence Law of the People's Republic of China. Also please check the Chinese that is in the external link. Thanks. DTM (talk) 09:05, 3 July 2020 (UTC)

Article assessment check
Spotted these [two] [articles] that weren't assessed yet. Ominae (talk) 06:05, 4 July 2020 (UTC)

G4 EA H1N1 redirect discussion
Talk:G4 EA H1N1 Sandy Georgia (Talk)  04:48, 12 July 2020 (UTC)

Discussion at Help talk:CS1 § Taiwanese Mandarin
You are invited to join the discussion at Help talk:CS1 § Taiwanese Mandarin. Psiĥedelisto (talk • contribs) please always ping! 03:00, 19 July 2020 (UTC)

China-HK-Taiwan General Sanctions
A discussion regarding enacting general sanctions in the China-HK-Taiwan topic area is ongoing at WP:ANI. Comments appreciated here. ProcrastinatingReader (talk) 10:01, 25 July 2020 (UTC)

Chinese-language sources for Fan Zhongyan monuments
Hi, I was hoping somebody in the project could help add Chinese-language sources Statue of Fan Zhongyan, created by user. It is a very short stub with no sources at the moment and I was thinking to merge it and redirect to Fan Zhongyan, but it would be better if it could be expanded.

Similarly, I was also looking for sources for Fan Zhongyan's tomb site in Yichuan County, Henan. I was there a few years ago and it looked like a notable historical and touristic site on its own, worthy of an article, but I can't find any sources in English, so I just put a photo I took in the main article.

Thanks in advance for the help! --Alan Islas (talk) 14:01, 25 July 2020 (UTC)

RfC on Demchok pre- and post-1962 Sino-Indian War
There is an RfC at Talk:Demchok sector about whether to mention the pre- and post-1962 Sino-Indian War status of the articles Demchok sector, Demchok, Ladakh, Dêmqog, Ngari Prefecture, and Demchok (historical village). Your input is appreciated. — MarkH21talk 14:48, 26 July 2020 (UTC)

Lists of Chinese people by cities
Hi, I stumbled upon List of people from Lishui, and found out that we don't have that many list of Chinese people by city, like in Category:Lists of people by city in the United States. A country with a fifth of the world's population surely deserves more lists, don't you think? Should we start the lists based on Category:People by city in China? Bennylin (talk) 13:47, 2 August 2020 (UTC)
 * As I dig deeper, we don't even have lists of governors, mayors of China, other than a combined page of titleholders for both types: List of current Chinese provincial leaders. Bennylin (talk) 13:57, 2 August 2020 (UTC)

RSN RFC on South China Morning Post
I started an RFC on the South China Morning Post on the RSN at Reliable_sources/Noticeboard. At the very minimum Perennial sources should tell people not to use articles by "Lin Nguyen" as it's a fabricated persona. WhisperToMe (talk) 19:43, 2 August 2020 (UTC)

RSN RFC on Xinhua News Agency
A RFC on Xinhua News Agency has been started on the RSN at Reliable_sources/Noticeboard. Please respond if you have any interest, kind regards. Hemiauchenia (talk) 13:20, 3 August 2020 (UTC)

RFC on whether to use Pinyin or Wade Giles for Zhang Xueliang/Chang Hsueh-liang
Please see Talk:Zhang_Xueliang for an RFC on whether to use Pinyin or Wade Giles for Zhang Xueliang/Chang Hsueh-liang.

WhisperToMe (talk) 00:44, 8 August 2020 (UTC)

Requested move of "Cultural genocide of Uyghurs" to "Genocide of Uyghurs"
This topic probably falls within the area of this project, and the move is being considered at Talk:Cultural_genocide_of_Uyghurs. -Thucydides411 (talk) 16:26, 8 August 2020 (UTC)
 * unless you posted similar messages at WikiProject Human rights, WikiProject Politics, WikiProject Mass surveillance, WikiProject Ethnic groups, WikiProject Discrimination, WikiProject Anthropology, WikiProject History, and WikiProject Sociology this could rightly be seen as canvasing. The subject falls within the area of all these projects, either revert here or post on all. Horse Eye Jack (talk) 17:26, 8 August 2020 (UTC)


 * Are you implying that WikiProject China is politically biased in one direction? This is a neutral forum to advertise the move discussion - the most obviously relevant one. -Thucydides411 (talk) 17:35, 8 August 2020 (UTC)


 * I’m saying those are the WikiProjects currently on the talk page, they are all equally relevant neutral forums... There is no superior or inferior WikiProject. The issue is with the selectivity not the chosen forum. Horse Eye Jack (talk) 17:39, 8 August 2020 (UTC)


 * This is a general forum, and leaving a message here does nothing to skew the conversation. -Thucydides411 (talk) 18:53, 8 August 2020 (UTC)

Draft article review request
Hi everyone, I've made a draft on a Chinese singer Draft:Huang Xiaoyun. Can somebody review it if possible？ This article is translated from the Chinese Wikipedia. I made sure to add templates to acknowledge translation. There are still areas that need to be expanded/filled in because I haven't finished translating just yet but I believe that will be done quite quickly in the next few days. I feel like it is ready for publishing but that is really up to the reviewer. Thank you very much. GhostHuang&#39;sFan (talk) 00:59, 13 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Note: The sources are in Chinese so it'll help for people to confirm they are RS before posting. WhisperToMe (talk) 15:27, 15 August 2020 (UTC)

Women in Red Asian women contest
From 1 October to 31 December, Women in Red is running a virtual contest on Asian women. In November, this will coincide with Wikipedia Asian Month. We look forward to strong participation from all those interested in improving coverage of Chinese women.--Ipigott (talk) 16:10, 21 September 2020 (UTC)

Citizenship Aesthetics
Would anyone with reading knowledge of Chinese mind taking a look at this article? (I happened upon it while doing some CAT:NN cleanup.) The translation—according to this unreferenced article, at least—is 公民美學. I'm unable to find any English-language sources, but there appear to be a fair number of hits on Google Scholar for the phrase. Thanks in advance to anyone who might be able to help with this! AleatoryPonderings (talk) 20:33, 17 September 2020 (UTC)
 * I'd consider asking the Wikiproject Taiwan folks for this one, since it seems to be related to Taiwanese laws. LittleCuteSuit (talk) 15:39, 22 September 2020 (UTC)

Moving inactive members to former members
I would like to clean up the "Members" section, by moving inactive members currently listed as members to the "former members" section. This will make it easier to get in contact with other active members, with specific knowledge to a topic. I was thinking of moving those members who have made no contributions to Wikipedia as whole the last 2 years. Does that seem like a fair amount of time? Notforplaying (talk) 17:35, 26 September 2020 (UTC)

Balhae
The article is heavily distorted in favor of the South Korean state ideology. Many users who tried to make constructive edits were banned. Participants from Russia were especially severely punished.

It is necessary to bring the article to a neutral form. But the Korean participants are actively hindering this - assistance is needed.

Especially in light of the fact that this historical distortion is being used for territorial claims against China and Russia.Kaustritten (talk) 04:17, 2 October 2020 (UTC)

Improving League of Left-Wing Writers
Nearly two years ago I suggested merging the League of Left-Wing Writers and their subsequent Five Martyrs of the League of Left-Wing Writers page, which was done earlier this summer by another user. I had planned on expanding on the topic but life got in the way. I began drafting an article in a sandbox, User:DyinRich/Left-Wing Writers and want to continue working on it. Open to collaboration, edits, or suggestions to ready this article for publication. I'm a very infrequent editor and this is my largest project to date, any help would be appreciated! DyinRich (talk) 22:01, 26 September 2020 (UTC)
 * I'm very new to editing articles, but interested in collaboration. I'll take a look at it, when I find the time, anything in particular you are looking for? I'm also working on an article User:Notforplaying/sandbox, if you have time/interest in it I'm also open to collaboration on this.Notforplaying (talk) 13:33, 2 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Your article is very interesting! I'm trying to learn more about late 20th century China, this would be a great way to do so. Right now I'm looking for general feedback and suggestions on how to improve the article. I also have sources that could be collaboratively read to help strengthen the article and provide more information. I'm more than happy to do the same with you for your article. If you could validate your E-mail through your preferences I'll contacting you through Special:EmailUser to find a convenient way to collaborate. DyinRich (talk) 15:27, 2 October 2020 (UTC)

Notification about an RfC on Infobox Chinese at Democratic Progressive Party
There is an RfC here about whether Democratic Progressive Party should be one of the MOS:CHINA exceptions to including both Simplified Chinese and Traditional Chinese in the Infobox Chinese. The participation of interested editors is appreciated. — MarkH21talk 19:00, 3 October 2020 (UTC)

Forced evictions in China: Conspicuous information discrepancy between sources
Hi all,

Recently, upon reading Forced evictions in China, I've realized that some Chinese media sources (e.g. CCTV) conspicuously featured in the lead section present information that conflicts with information presented by Reuters and other sources which are not state-run by the Chinese communist regime.

These Chinese state-run media say that forced evictions have become opportunities for "becoming rich overnight", while Reuters says "...1.5 million people in and around Beijing were forced from their homes, often with inadequate compensation". Multiple other sources also mentioned the mass evictions without consent happening in urban areas (see the Notable examples section.

I suspect that these state-run media are not reporting truthfully, so I'd delete them in the lead if no one objects. Thomas Meng (talk) 17:57, 7 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Large-scale deletion completed. Different opinions are always welcome.Thomas Meng (talk) 14:53, 12 October 2020 (UTC)
 * I think that was the right move. The section was written like an essay and cited things like opinion articles and Zhihu. Thanks for cleaning that up. LittleCuteSuit (talk) 22:17, 20 October 2020 (UTC)
 * No problem! Thomas Meng (talk) 22:31, 20 October 2020 (UTC)

Chinese naming system
Greetings...dear Chinese editors who understanding China's naming system. I would appreciate if you could provide your opinion at Talk:Fa Hai. Thanks. VocalIndia (talk) 12:13, 22 October 2020 (UTC)

Merge discussion about Song-Xia War
There is a merge discussion at Talk:Song-Xia War (1040–1044) that would benefit from input from the Wikiproject. Thank you for your input.  // Timothy ::  talk  16:11, 24 October 2020 (UTC)

Sui's political system
I find that Sui's political system is "五省六曹" in some Chinese history books. It is a predecessor for Tang's Three departments and six ministries. Using the latter is not accurate for history. But I don't know its English name. Its discussion at Talk:Sui dynasty--波斯波莉斯 (talk) 02:25, 28 October 2020 (UTC)

Need help from Chinese
Hi all, Greetings...we need help from Chinese editors for Wikipedia's the worst aticle Lung Kim Sang. This article is need to rewrite. I would appreciate if you could provide your opinion at Articles for deletion/Lung Kim Sang. Thanks 😊 VocalIndia (talk) 05:45, 29 October 2020 (UTC)

Potential RM for Chinese language

 * Should the Chinese language article be moved to Chinese languages? Also, what is that article's proper relation with the content of Sinitic languages?

I am not well-versed in China nor linguistics, so I thought that I would post these questions here so someone with more knowledge could look into this. From my reading of Chinese language, the article states throughout (with sourcing) that Chinese is in fact a family of languages rather than a single language, though I understand that this point is one of contention (discussed briefly in the #Nomenclature section of the article). In 2015, arguments along these lines were brought up in a failed RM (see ), and I was persuaded after reading them by the argument that Chinese languages would be the proper name for the article if Chinese is a family instead of a single language (see Category:Language families). Another relevant question: Is the view that Chinese is a single language WP:FRINGE?

Chinese languages is currently a redirect to Sinitic languages, an article whose content confuses me even further regarding the proper linguistic terminology; I'm sure many casual readers feel the same way. Could someone look into this and possibly start an RM if the case is strong enough? It's also a possibility that no moves are needed, and the articles I mentioned just need to be cleaned up and made consistent with their handling of this subject. — Goszei (talk) 07:37, 29 October 2020 (UTC)


 * I think "Chinese language" follows WP:COMMONNAME. My impression is that most sources, including many specialist sources, refer to "dialects of Chinese" rather than "Chinese languages". Those who follow the "mutual intelligibility" standard tend to disagree with this and say that Chinese is a family including many different languages. Personally, I like the "mutual intelligibility" standard, but it is certainly not the only standard out there (see Language). Of course we should clarify in the article that Chinese includes many mutually unintelligible varieties.
 * As far as I can tell, the Sinitic languages article seems to be describing a language family that includes Chinese as well as closely related languages such as Bai. —Granger (talk · contribs) 17:37, 29 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Ah, I think I understand now; I have edited the lead sections of Chinese language, Varieties of Chinese, and Sinitic languages to be hopefully more clear, as they previously used the terms "dialect", "language", and "variety" in a haphazard manner. I would appreciate if someone could look those over, and also make the sure the article bodies are consistent as well. — Goszei (talk) 22:26, 29 October 2020 (UTC)

Input requested at Talk:China–United States trade war
Input is requested in an RfC at Talk:China–United States trade war/Archive 5. —Granger (talk · contribs) 06:03, 7 November 2020 (UTC)

Dead link to a VERY important database on dialects and minority languages in China...is there ANY hope of recovery??
According to the bottom of the article, the Language Atlas of China has an online version (the Digital Language Atlas of China) by Lawrence W. Crissman. However, when I tried clicking on that link, nothing showed up! All I got was an error message.

I feel that this is a matter worth taking a deeper look into. It's a very important resource for the preservation of Chinese dialects, isn't it? It would be a shame if all that hard work the Australian Academy of the Humanities and the Chinese Academy of Social Sciences put into this massive project got wasted because of nothing more than a finicky database issue. If I were in charge, I'd be very upset.

Is there any way to recover the digital atlas? I'm a fluent speaker of English and Mandarin Chinese, but I'm trying to learn about the local dialects that used to be spoken in my homeland. I wanted to check it out, but I was very disappointed to find out that I couldn't! Oosbam1812 (talk) 21:10, 11 November 2020 (UTC)
 * I've updated the link, but note that this isn't the whole Atlas, just a shapefile based on the first four overview maps. Kanguole 21:55, 11 November 2020 (UTC)

Bust of Mahatma Gandhi, Shanghai
Bust of Mahatma Gandhi, Shanghai has been nominated for deletion. Do any project members have sources? --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 15:19, 12 November 2020 (UTC)

Update to peer review page
Hi all, I've boldly updated your project's peer review page (WikiProject China/Peer review) by updating the instructions and archiving old reviews.

The new instructions use Wikipedia's general peer review process (WP:PR) to list peer reviews. Your project's reviews are still able to be listed on your local page too.

The benefits of this change is that review requests will get seen by a wider audience and are likely to be attended to in a more timely way (many WikiProject peer reviews remain unanswered after years). The Wikipedia peer review process is also more maintained than most WikiProjects, and this may help save time for your active members.

I've done this boldly as it seems your peer review page is pretty inactive and I am working through around 90 such similar peer review pages. Please feel free to discuss below - please ping me in your response.

Cheers and hope you are well, Tom (LT) (talk) 23:51, 14 November 2020 (UTC)

Teresa Teng
There is a discussion at Talk: Teresa Teng about whether her article should lead with the name "Deng Lijun" or "Teng Li-chun" that would benefit from input from this WikiProject. Your input is welcome. _dk (talk) 03:07, 18 November 2020 (UTC)

United Front political parties project importance
Might be a trivial matter to bring up, but I was tagging some of the minor United Front political parties as "low" importance on the project scale earlier today (some had been tagged as "low" already, one as "mid"), but I'm actually not sure if that would be the correct rating. They're quite small political parties, but being that they're the only eight recognized minor political parties in China, and have representation within the NPC and CPPCC, maybe they should be at least rated as "Mid" importance? LittleCuteSuit (talk) 07:22, 21 November 2020 (UTC)

Is review of a TV series by Global Times reliable?
Hello fellow wikipedians from Wikiproject China; There is an ongoing discussion at Wikipedia:Reliable sources/Noticeboard on the topic mentioned in the subject. Link here. As this is closely linked with China related topics, I invite all the wikipedians of this Wikiproject to share their opinion. Everyone's opinion will be highly valuable. Thank you. -ink&amp;fables    «talk»   03:06, 24 November 2020 (UTC)

Pangda village territorial dispute
Hello all, just thought I would put this on your radar in case anyone was interested: there is a territorial dispute happening on the India-Bhutan-China border in Daklan that is centered around the village of Pangda. Anyone with more knowledge of the region that me could probably expand that article a great deal, I just wanted to get it started after the news scrolled across my morning news feed. Best regards, Fritzmann2002 T, c, s, t 14:51, 24 November 2020 (UTC)

Discussion about article "Kashmir"
You are invited to join the discussion at Talk:Kashmir, which is about an article that is within the scope of this WikiProject. Soumya-8974 (he) talk contribs subpages 13:06, 4 December 2020 (UTC)

Talk:K'o-ssu
A requested move discussion has had few comments. Johnbod (talk) 04:45, 9 December 2020 (UTC)

Can I use the novel Romance of the Three Kingdoms as a source?
Hi! I want to expand Gongsun Zan in Portuguese, and was wondering if using the romance of the three kingdoms is a good idea to provide a reference there. Thanks! User:Tetizeraz. Send me a ✉️ ! 15:15, 16 December 2020 (UTC)
 * Romance of the Three Kingdoms is historical fiction, not a reliable source. CMD (talk) 15:40, 16 December 2020 (UTC)

Xiao Juan
Project members are invited to assist with expansion of the newly created stub "Xiao Juan". Thanks! -- Another Believer ( Talk ) 16:16, 18 December 2020 (UTC)

List of lighthouses open discussion
Talk:List_of_lighthouses_in_China. Members of this project are invited to participate in the discussion.  Atsme 💬 📧 15:55, 19 December 2020 (UTC)

Pugilist in Chinese dramas
Hi! I am wondering if this is really a good translation of 江湖. Pugilist is an old world for boxer, it doesn't really convey nearly any similar meaning. I know subtitles usually use this term on Viki and fansites but it's still odd on English. I would rather use something like "wandering martial artist" or "wandering fighter" or something along this line. What do you think? Teemeah 편지 (letter)  19:00, 19 December 2020 (UTC)

Discussion at Wikipedia talk:Noticeboard for India-related topics § Settlement type
You are invited to join the discussion at Wikipedia talk:Noticeboard for India-related topics § Settlement type. Soumya-8974 (he) talk contribs subpages 17:44, 26 December 2020 (UTC)

Help cleaning up a former B-class / High importance article
The article 2008 Tibetan unrest was rated B-class in April 2008 and High importance but currently has a host of referencing and NPOV issues. Any help from interested editors in cleaning up the issues would be much appreciated. Hopefully the article can really be B-class again at some point. — MarkH21talk 01:00, 1 January 2021 (UTC)

Articles for deletion/Chinese Modern Coins
I've nominated Chinese Modern Coins, an article unreferenced since 2009, for deletion or merging into Renminbi. Feel free to participate in the discussion on the AfD page. -- benlisquare T•C•E 14:08, 1 January 2021 (UTC)

Discussion about organization of articles on dynasties
There is a general question about how articles about dynasties are organized, please see Wikipedia talk:WikiProject History. Thanks! — MarkH21talk 19:24, 14 January 2021 (UTC)

Translation request for DYK
A reviewer at Template:Did you know nominations/Duo Yun Xuan has asked for clarification on what the thing is. It needs an editor who can read Chinese to read the sources. Sources:

Any help appreciated. ProcrastinatingReader (talk) 09:23, 19 January 2021 (UTC)

Reassessment Request

 * 1)  — requested by  Have expanded a stub on a PLA unit accused of cyber espionage and cyber attacks. Mainly on what they did and who they targeted. Additionally have expanded on response the Foreign Ministry after the accusations. I believe that it is at least a C. Sorry if this is the wrong place for this, just under duress since this is for an assignment.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Blank61 (talk • contribs) 01:45, 9 December 2020 (UTC)

Sidebar needing improvement
I found a sidebar that would greatly benefit from someone familiar with the topic: Template:Chinese democracy movement. Right now, it is a mess that is transcluded at Democracy movements of China, 1989 Tiananmen Square protests, and 2011 Chinese pro-democracy protests. — Goszei (talk) 01:32, 28 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Follow-up: I've resolved this by reverting to an older version. — Goszei (talk) 23:37, 28 January 2021 (UTC)

Happy New Year
This year Chinese New Year will be widely celebrated on 12th February.

"The Chinese year will start on Feb 12 2021 and end on Feb 1 2022, when the Year of the Tiger begins."

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/0/chinese-new-year-2021-ox-luck-should-avoid-medicine-laundry

In Vietnam and Mongolia the festival is celebrated on different days (the day before and the day after, respectively).

"When Is Chinese New Year 2021?"

https://www.timeanddate.com/holidays/common/chinese-new-year

YEAR OF THE METAL OX

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ox_in_Chinese_mythology

There are already pages on Wikipedia for the Five Phases and the Twelve Earthly Branches.

FIVE PHASES

Wood | Fire | Earth | Metal | Water

TWELVE EARTHLY BRANCHES

Rat | Ox | Tiger | Rabbit | Dragon | Snake | Horse | Goat | Monkey | Rooster | Dog | Pig

Bearing in mind the significance of the Chinese POV (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_number_of_Internet_users) would my fellow Wikipedians agree with me that there is good enough reason to have a separate page for each year in the sexagenary cycle? Dbug002 (talk) 13:13, 31 January 2021 (UTC)


 * Not on this world article, although some of that could be important enough for articles such as 2021 in China. Jim Michael (talk) 13:30, 31 January 2021 (UTC)


 * Thank you ! I have copied my query here ... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:2021_in_China#Happy_New_Year Dbug002 (talk) 14:28, 31 January 2021 (UTC)


 * Seems fine to me. A number of other Wikipedias already have articles along these lines, e.g. 辛丑 and Metall-Büffel. To me a title like Xinchou seems more intuitive than Metal ox (compare Xinhai Revolution, which is never translated as "Metal Pig Revolution"). —Granger (talk · contribs) 15:11, 31 January 2021 (UTC)


 * I have submitted a draft for review ... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Xinchou Dbug002 (talk) 18:39, 31 January 2021 (UTC)

Uyghur genocide has an RFC
Uyghur genocide has an RFC for possible consensus. A discussion is taking place. If you would like to participate in the discussion, you are invited to add your comments on the discussion page. Thank you. Mikehawk10 (talk) 23:31, 31 January 2021 (UTC)

CCP Party chief/boss/secretary
Hello,

Someone has moved the page to this page:. I want to know if it is after a consensus, or has been done independantly. The move isn't false, but maybe not necessary.

--Anas1712 (talk) 18:32, 4 February 2021 (UTC)

Article in need of significant improvement
Hi, there's currently an article named Yu Wensheng that needs our project's help. It is a very widely-covered and significant human rights topic, yet not fully developped or up to date. Any help would be greatly appreciated. Thomas Meng (talk) 03:41, 7 February 2021 (UTC)

CFD which may be of interest to users participating in this WikiProject
Categories_for_discussion/Log/2021_February_5--Prisencolin (talk) 20:36, 7 February 2021 (UTC)

New Page for the Year of the Metal Ox
Waiting for review ...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft_talk:Xinchou

Dbug002 (talk) 20:21, 12 February 2021 (UTC)

Looking for help adding sources to Su Yu
Seems unfitting that an individual described as holding "important posts in the new People's Republic of China" has no references except for a SPS.--Prisencolin (talk) 03:34, 19 February 2021 (UTC)

RfC on the Uyghur people
There is an RfC about the genetic origin of the Uyghurs, Talk:Uyghurs, comments are welcome. Hzh (talk) 12:14, 23 February 2021 (UTC)

Member pruner
Hey all, I noticed that there are tons of people on the Member list page. If you want to set up an automatic member pruner, editor Naypta was kind enough to build one. It will remove inactive and indeffed editors (not move them to Former) after a set period. All you have to do is paste this under the templates at the top of the membership page. Instructions can be found at User:Yapperbot/Pruner, but I've propagated some of the fields for you.

It may very well remove all the Former editors, so you might want to keep an eye on that, (and remove the empty section), but all members are notified when they are pruned, so it could encourage people to rejoin. Regards, Cyphoidbomb (talk) 19:58, 28 February 2021 (UTC)

Photo needed for Yu Wensheng. Is anyone able to find a free license photo of him?
Hi, I've been working on this article named Yu Wensheng recently and I hope to promot it to GA status in the near future. But in order to do this, there has to have adequate visuals. I've looked almost everywhere on the internet to find a public domain image of him, but have yet to find one. Is anyone able to find one? Thomas Meng (talk) 03:42, 1 March 2021 (UTC)
 * I tried looking too, the best I could get was through using a Bing image search with the public domain filter. Although these images show up with the public domain filter, I'm not too sure if they really are public domain... I haven't had much luck otherwise either though. LittleCuteSuit (talk) 18:44, 4 March 2021 (UTC)

Adjacent stations templates for Chinese HSR stations
Hi all, I've started a conversation at Module talk:Adjacent stations/China Railway High-speed regarding ideas for improving the adjacent stations templates at the bottom of Chinese high-speed railway station articles. I think they could benefit from some lines being switched around essentially, to create a consistent direction for the main corridors of high-speed rail. Thank you NemesisAT (talk) 20:37, 8 March 2021 (UTC)

About Geography
Hello, I think we need to add ‘neighboring provinces’ for the geographical column. WANG XIAOLING995 01:25, 11 March 2021 (UTC)

"File:Yin and Yang symbol.svg" and "File:Yin yang.svg"
FYI File:Yin and Yang symbol.svg and File:Yin yang.svg have recently been subject to being repeatedly overwritten by a different design, over at Commons. There is a discussion open at COMMONS:COM:Village Pump on the issue. -- 65.93.183.33 (talk) 08:28, 14 March 2021 (UTC)

Yaoji
Hello Chinese, Yaoji's direct quotes needs attentions from someone who can read the zh-wiki article or who's really good at both Chinese and English. Pls help. Thank you. VocalIndia (talk) 03:47, 21 March 2021 (UTC)


 * This needs attention from someone who can read Classical Chinese or who has access to translations of the Classic of Mountains and Seas, Taiping Guangji, and the poems of Li Bai. —Mx. Granger (talk · contribs) 06:20, 23 March 2021 (UTC)

Notes in Chinese at 2018 knife murders at Pubei Road, Shanghai need to be translated
Hi! I found the footnotes in 2018 knife murders at Pubei Road, Shanghai are in Chinese and need to be translated.

Thanks, WhisperToMe (talk) 23:33, 22 March 2021 (UTC)


 * ✅ —Mx. Granger (talk · contribs) 06:49, 23 March 2021 (UTC)

"Basurian people"/"Sichuanese ethnic group"
I recently removed the list entry "Basurians" from List of contemporary ethnic groups since it looked dubious and hoax-like after Googling the term (only results that seem to point to a joke, like and ). An editor reverted and referred me to the "main article" Sichuanese people, which makes a similarly dubious claim about an ethnic group of 100 million. Could someone more knowledgeable take a look at this? — Goszei (talk) 01:00, 23 March 2021 (UTC)


 * In the context of China, "ethnic group" is usually understood to mean mínzú 民族 (the ones listed at List of ethnic groups in China). Sichuanese (Bashu) people are not an ethnic group by this definition, but they seem to be considered a "people" (mínxì 民系 – specifically, a Han Chinese subgroup). In the List of contemporary ethnic groups article, I'd say they should be listed in the "Han Chinese" row, "Subgroups" column, where they already are. I have never heard "Basurian", which looks like made-up nonsense to me. —Mx. Granger (talk · contribs) 07:19, 23 March 2021 (UTC)

"長賜輪"/"Ever Given"
Recently "長賜輪" was removed from en:Ever Given, as it was missing an RS, and was questioned as if it was an official name. The Chinese Wikipedia uses zh:長賜輪 (zhǎng cì lún) as its pagename. Does anyone know if this is an official name, either in Chinese of the ship operator, or in Japanese of the shipowner? Japanese Wikipedia uses ja:エヴァーギヴン (evuāgivun) -- 67.70.27.246 (talk) 00:47, 27 March 2021 (UTC)


 * Yes, 長賜輪 seems to be the name of the ship as used by its operator Evergreen. See . —Mx. Granger (talk · contribs) 06:16, 4 April 2021 (UTC)

Draft:Kaisa Center
Can anyone find the Chinese name? That would make the research a lot easier.Pizza0614 (talk) 15:20, 9 April 2021 (UTC)


 * I think it is 佳兆业中心 (Jiāzhàoyè Zhōngxīn). Maybe "Kaisa" is a Hakka-based transliteration – clearly it's not the hanyu pinyin for 佳兆业. Be careful when looking for Chinese-language sources, because there seem to be other buildings with the same name in other cities. —Mx. Granger (talk · contribs) 18:32, 9 April 2021 (UTC)
 * Here's the zh.wp article about Kaisa Group, which may also be helpful: 佳兆業集團. —Mx. Granger (talk · contribs) 18:36, 9 April 2021 (UTC)
 * @Mx. Granger I actually found this earlier, but I'm not sure about it. Baidu Baike says it's 29 storeys tall (first phase), whatever that means. The sources I found say that Kaisa Center is 66 floors tall. Also, about the Hakka transeliteration, as the Pha̍k-fa-sṳ romanization of 佳兆 is kâ seu. Pizza0614 (talk) 20:23, 9 April 2021 (UTC)
 * That Baidu Baike article also says "项目分三期开发建设，一期规划为集大型品牌超市及高尚公寓的国际生活示范区；二期规划有超甲级写字楼、五星级酒店、大型购物中心和超高层国际公寓，其中超高层写字楼和酒店部分将达60余层，楼层总高288米". Evidently the complex was built in three phases. According to that quote, the hotel/office building is (planned to be) more than 60 stories and 288 meters (about 945 feet). That agrees with the information at Draft:Kaisa Center. If you switch between the English and Chinese versions of this website it also seems to confirm that Kaisa Center is 佳兆业中心. —Mx. Granger (talk · contribs) 05:07, 10 April 2021 (UTC)

Help with article on Juren
Hi, I’m a uni student working to improve the article on Juren. Would anyone be willing to look over it in a few weeks when I add to the stub? Thank you Qwj5377 (talk) 05:13, 12 April 2021 (UTC)

Annexation of Tibet by the People's Republic of China
If it is article about annexation like annexation of Crimea by the Russian Federation then where is article just about war? I think it should be renamed. Eurohunter (talk) 23:14, 13 April 2021 (UTC)

Looking to build consensus at Talk:ByteDance
Hi all. About a month ago I proposed making layout changes to the ByteDance article to comply with MOS:LAYOUT and WP:CSECTION, among other things. Specifically, I suggested using a chronologically organized "History" section (similar to Twitter) as well as integrating the contents of the Controversy section into other appropriate parts of the article. But I've struggled to generate a constructive discussion on the Talk page (Talk:ByteDance) and I will not make the edits myself due to my COI as a ByteDance employee.

I would greatly appreciate if editors reading this could take a few minutes to look at the discussion and consider implementing my proposal, either in part or in full. Thanks, JatBD (talk) 13:51, 14 April 2021 (UTC)

Newer discussion at Talk:Second Cold War
Newer discussion: Talk:Second Cold War --George Ho (talk) 15:51, 19 April 2021 (UTC)

Some problems with civil war articles
The articles in question:


 * Gaoyou–Shaobo campaign (B-class)
 * Battle of Shaobo (C-class)
 * Battle of Tangtou–Guocun (B-class)

Someone in the #wikipedia-en-help IRC channel reported to us that there are issues with those articles. All three of them don't have inline citations, yet the first and third got B-class for some reason. The first article has some unprofessional language in the "Campaign" section, particularly the "did not even bother" part. The second and third articles have the same content for their strategy sections.

I think this might be a systematic problem in the articles of the Chinese Civil War. Can someone who is more experienced in civil war history check on this? Thanks, pandakekok9 (talk) 04:20, 28 April 2021 (UTC)

RfC on the first sentence at Uyghur genocide
There is an RfC at Talk:Uyghur genocide that is relevant to this WikiProject. Your participation is welcome! — MarkH21talk 23:33, 30 April 2021 (UTC)

FAR for Pierre Rossier
I have nominated Pierre Rossier for a featured article review here. Please join the discussion on whether this article meets featured article criteria. Articles are typically reviewed for two weeks. If substantial concerns are not addressed during the review period, the article will be moved to the Featured Article Removal Candidates list for a further period, where editors may declare "Keep" or "Delist" the article's featured status. The instructions for the review process are here. Z1720 (talk) 22:24, 8 May 2021 (UTC)

Malaysia Airlines Flight 370 GAR
Malaysia Airlines Flight 370, an article that you or your project may be interested in, has been nominated for an individual good article reassessment. If you are interested in the discussion, please participate by adding your comments to the reassessment page. If concerns are not addressed during the review period, the good article status may be removed from the article. CMD (talk) 16:31, 10 May 2021 (UTC)

RfC on the "result" parameter of Infobox military conflict at Mongol invasions of Vietnam
Hi! There is an RfC at Talk:Mongol invasions of Vietnam about whether the "result" parameter of the Infobox military conflict at Mongol invasions of Vietnam should point to the aftermath section of the article body, say "Đại Việt victory" or list specific consequences. Any input there is appreciated! — MarkH21talk 02:34, 15 May 2021 (UTC)

Mass Incidents in China
Hi I'm new to Wikipedia editing and would really appreciate someone reviewing the article I've been working on Mass incidents in China, I'm all ears to any advice, thank you! Steggy1 (talk) 01:01, 17 May 2021 (UTC)

Splitting discussion for Chinese lists of cults
An article that this project has been involved with (Chinese lists of cults) has content that is proposed to be removed and moved to another article (List of Chinese new religious movements). Additionally, the current discussion is leaning toward not splitting, and instead moving the current article to Heterodox teachings (Chinese law) and changing it from a list-class article to a more substantial discussion of the topic. If you are interested, please visit the discussion. Thank you. - - mathmitch7 (talk/contribs) 12:17, 12 May 2021 (UTC)
 * Just to note -- we decided to not split the article, and instead moved it to Heterodox teachings (Chinese law), and re-vamped the article. Cheers - - mathmitch7 (talk/contribs) 16:24, 20 May 2021 (UTC)

New Page Patrol

 * New Page Patrol needs experienced volunteers
 * New Page Patrol is currently struggling to keep up with the influx of new articles, including China related articles. We could use a few extra hands on deck if you think you can help.
 * Reviewing/patrolling a page doesn't take much time but it requires a good understanding of Wikipedia policies and guidelines ; Wikipedia needs experienced users to perform this task and there are precious few with the appropriate skills. Even a couple reviews a day can make a huge difference.
 * If you would like to join the project and help out, please see the granting conditions and review our instructions page. You can apply for the user-right HERE. --John B123 (talk) 12:10, 23 May 2021 (UTC)

Jinsha Site
Hi all! I have been working on the article 'Jinsha Site' for my university course. Please check it out and let me know any recommendations I can make to improve it. I will be working and adding better citations. --Anninarose (talk) 10:18, 24 May 2021 (UTC)

Xinjiang Papers
Hi WikiProject China, I've been working on building the article on the Xinjiang papers. Please feel free to make edits. I'm new to Wikipedia editing and would really appreciate any help or feedback. Couchcupcross (talk) 12:33, 24 May 2021 (UTC)

Supreme People's Procuratorate - Request for reassessment
Hi all,

I am a university student currently undertaking a unit in Wikipedia writing. As part of this course, I have been updating the article for the Supreme People's Procuratorate. I have made some substantial additions to this article, and would like to submit this article for re-assessment, both regarding its quality (currently marked as a Stub) and importance (currently unrated). Any feedback on the article itself would also be much appreciated. Thank you! Frangipani13 (talk) 12:39, 26 May 2021 (UTC)

Seeking feedback and help editing an article
Hi!

I am a student who is new to Wikipedia! I am editing and updating the China-Pakistan Free Trade Agreement article. I was hoping to get some feedback and help on the article. I would also like to ask for a reassessment as I have edited it quite a bit as per suggestions of other Wikipedia users. Thank you!

S2102sa (talk) 02:02, 27 May 2021 (UTC)

Discussion at Talk:Lingyan Temple
You are invited to join the discussion at Talk:Lingyan Temple. Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 07:38, 27 May 2021 (UTC) Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 07:38, 27 May 2021 (UTC)

Requesting Reassment
Hello, I would like to get China–Australia Migratory Bird Agreement re-assessed from a stub article as I have made major changes, thank you!JerryH7 (talk) 08:17, 28 May 2021 (UTC)

Requesting Reassessment
Hello, I am a student new to Wikipedia and I would like the page Semi-cursive script reassessed from a stub please! --MeipleLeaf (talk) 11:46, 28 May 2021 (UTC)

Hall of Mental Cultivation - Request for reassessment
Hi all, I’m new to Wikipedia editing and have been working on the article, the ‘Hall of Mental Cultivation’ as part of my university course. I’d really appreciate some advice about how I could improve the article, and am seeking its re-assessment from a stub article, since I have added a significant amount of information. Thanks! --Atnauseum (talk) 13:45, 28 May 2021 (UTC)

GAR for 2008 Sichuan earthquake
2008 Sichuan earthquake, an article that you or your project may be interested in, has been nominated for a community good article reassessment. If you are interested in the discussion, please participate by adding your comments to the reassessment page. If concerns are not addressed during the review period, the good article status may be removed from the article. Hog Farm Talk 04:57, 30 May 2021 (UTC)

Image discussion at Talk:Second Cold War
I started the following discussion: Talk:Second Cold War --George Ho (talk) 05:24, 31 May 2021 (UTC)

Please help assess Gourd mouth organ
Hello there, I'm currently working on expanding the article Gourd mouth organ as a part of my university unit. Please feel free to help me improve my expanded article by giving any feedback, advice or assessment? Thank you very much! And hope you have a lovely day.Ryssian (talk) 11:46, 31 May 2021 (UTC)

edit made to main article
Hi I'm a student at sydney university, making an edit to China Fusion Engineering Test Reactor article as part of a unit assignment. I would really appreciate if you could offer some feedback regarding the edit made and maybe reasses it as well. Thank you.TechnicolourKaleidoscope (talk) 08:00, 2 June 2021 (UTC)

Private and public schools in China - Request for reassessment
Hi everyone, I am new to Wikipedia editing and have been working on the article, the ‘Private and public schools in China’ as part of my university course. I’d appreciate any advice about how I could improve the article, and am seeking its re-assessment from a stub article, since I have added a significant amount of information. Thanks! Karengmc (talk) 08:49, 2 June 2021 (UTC)

Dragon man
I recently created an article for the recently discovered archaic human Dragon Man (archaic human) that was found in Harbin. Any help improving the article would be appreciated. Thank you! Thriley (talk) 17:39, 25 June 2021 (UTC)

2021 National Games of China
Hi everyone. I have recently created the 2021 National Games of China and I would greatly appreciate it if there is anyone willing to expand this by translating any info from the article's zh.wikipedia version. Thanks. Yinglong999 (talk) 22:35, 4 July 2021 (UTC)

Nomination of Qishuyan railway station for deletion
A discussion is taking place as to whether the article Qishuyan railway station is suitable for inclusion in Wikipedia according to Wikipedia's policies and guidelines or whether it should be deleted.

The article will be discussed at Articles for deletion/Qishuyan railway station until a consensus is reached, and anyone, including you, is welcome to contribute to the discussion. The nomination will explain the policies and guidelines which are of concern. The discussion focuses on high-quality evidence and our policies and guidelines.

Users may edit the article during the discussion, including to improve the article to address concerns raised in the discussion. However, do not remove the article-for-deletion notice from the top of the article. Jeepday (talk) 12:01, 9 July 2021 (UTC)

Mass deletion request on Commons
You are invited to join the discussion at c:Commons:Deletion requests/Files in Category:Logos of rail transport companies of China. Sam Sailor 18:09, 17 July 2021 (UTC)

Help needed
There is a dispute regarding WP:NPOV and WP:V at the new article China COVID-19 cover-up. Help would be much appreciated. —Mx. Granger (talk · contribs) 09:09, 24 July 2021 (UTC)

Should China COVID-19 cover-up be merged with one of the other COVID-19 in China articles?
You are invited to join the discussion at Talk:China COVID-19 cover-up. Shibboleth ink (♔ ♕) 22:44, 24 July 2021 (UTC)

Request move of Zuo zhuan to Zuo Zhuan (with potential implications for other articles)
An editor has requested for Zuo zhuan to be moved to Zuo Zhuan. Since you had some involvement with Zuo zhuan, you might want to participate in |the move discussion (if you have not already done so).
 * As a note: depending on the outcome, the decision for this article could set a precedent for renaming/moving many other articles named after historical Chinese texts, so more input would be appreciated. Scyrme (talk) 22:41, 29 July 2021 (UTC)

Food article mess
I found Prawn ball in the unsourced since 2005 listing and thought I'd take a stab at getting it up to the modern WP standards. I'm starting here because seafood balls are generally described in the context of Chinese food, so I hope there's someone here interested enough to help. I've made a talk discussion at Fish ball that explains the issues. I'd appreciate any comments! Cheers, Estheim (talk) 21:56, 12 August 2021 (UTC)

Requested move at Talk:First National Population Census of the People's Republic of China
There is a requested move discussion at Talk:First National Population Census of the People's Republic of China that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. — hueman1 ( talk •  contributions ) 13:16, 14 August 2021 (UTC)

Wikipedia podcast
Hi everyone,

I hope you're all well. I'm a podcast producer and am making a documentary series about Wikipedia and the people who make it. I'd love to speak with someone who's active on Wikiproject China for one of the episodes which will look at China's censorship of the site, because I'd love to hear more about how that affects content about China on Wikipedia. Let me know if you're up for it - it would be a 10 minute research chat so I can tell you some more about the project and then we'll take it from there. Thanks! Wearecrowd (talk) 13:42, 16 August 2021 (UTC)

Kangxi Emperor's date of birth
The footnote about the discrepancy between sources regarding his age (in western reckoning) at the time of his enthronement says Note that Xuanye was born in May 1654 and the "House of Aisin-Gioro" template at the bottom says Born: 4 May 1654 but the infobox, lead sentence, and even the first sentence of the body (to which is attached the above footnote) say 5 February 1654. Given that sources apparently differ regarding his age at the time of his enthronement, is the actual discrepancy actually one regarding the date of his birth?

If the discrepancy were one of only a month or two I would assume it was simply that he was born on the fifth day of the second month in the Chinese calendar, which some westerners mistakenly transcribed as 5 February while others carefully translated into either the Julian calendar (still in use in England at the time) or the Gregorian calendar, but I don't think this can produce a discrepancy of three full months... can it? (I'm not sure if the calendar used in China in the 17th century was the same as the Chinese calendar adopted by Japan about a millennium earlier, which is the one I'm more familiar with; that one would not explain the discrepancy, as 4 May in the Gregorian calendar was apparently the 18th day of the third month.)

Hijiri 88 ( 聖やや ) 01:23, 29 July 2021 (UTC)
 * This is no substitute for verifying in actual sources, but I imagine 4 May 1654 is correct, and 5 February is mistakenly copied from the start of his reign (5 February 1661). Also, the infobox claims "三月 十八日" (3rd month, 18th day), perhaps in the lunar calendar, which would roughly support a date in April or May. Adumbrativus (talk) 04:45, 29 July 2021 (UTC)
 * Eminent Chinese of the Ch'ing Period gives 4 May. I agree with Adumbrativus, that 4 May is the correct date and 5 February is an error.--Shmarrighan (talk) 07:50, 3 August 2021 (UTC)
 * The article is now edited to say 4 May 1654. Adumbrativus (talk) 04:15, 4 August 2021 (UTC)


 * All the sources I've seen give the date as May 4, so it's safe to assume that to be correct. Xcalibur (talk) 13:56, 17 August 2021 (UTC)

Requested move at Talk:BBIBP-CorV
There is a requested move discussion at Talk:BBIBP-CorV that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. — Shibboleth ink  (♔ ♕) 02:05, 20 August 2021 (UTC)

Help needed
There is a dispute on the List of most expensive books and manuscripts regarding works by Zhao Mengfu, specifically whether two letters auctioned in 2019 are documents and hence belong in the article, or calligraphy and thus an artwork that would belong to a different article. If someone here who knows about these things can head over to Talk:List of most expensive books and manuscripts that would be very helpful and hopefully avoid an edit war. Hochithecreator (talk) 00:09, 21 August 2021 (UTC)

Chinese personal names in article text
Please see Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Anthroponymy. If this talk page is not the pest one to addreess the issue, please advise abouot a better venue.

I also asked for an advice in Wikipedia talk:Manual of Style/China- and Chinese-related articles. I believe WP:MOS must address issues of this kind. Lembit Staan (talk) 03:40, 26 August 2021 (UTC)

Help needed with sources
I can't find information on the Ding Hui temple in Suzhou in English, other than this page on a tourism site. Is the information in it correct? I suppose we can cite more reliable Chinese-language sources instead? Alaexis¿question? 19:32, 29 August 2021 (UTC)


 * If you haven't already, you could try searching for "Dinghui Temple" instead of "Ding Hui Temple". I don't see many sources in English, though. If it helps, here's the article on zh.wikipedia: zh:定慧寺 (苏州) (it only cites one source, though). —Mx. Granger (talk · contribs) 21:21, 29 August 2021 (UTC)
 * And it's a dead link :( Alaexis¿question? 04:52, 30 August 2021 (UTC)

Requested move at Talk:COVID-19 misinformation by China
There is a requested move discussion at Talk:COVID-19 misinformation by China that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. — Shibboleth ink  (♔ ♕) 23:05, 30 August 2021 (UTC)

We are missing an article on... China
No, really. See Talk:China. I suggest commenting there to keep discussion in one place. Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus&#124; reply here 06:56, 1 September 2021 (UTC)

Requested move: 1989 Tiananmen Square protests (8 September 2021)
You are invited to join the discussion at –– FormalDude   talk  23:04, 8 September 2021 (UTC)

WikiProject Macau
Hello there! I invite you all to please help revive WikiProject Macau. I just recently created six articles related to government-administered awards and many recipients have pages on other language editions of Wikipedia which do not yet have pages in English. There is a considerable amount of articles that need to be created and improved on Macau. I also see much potential for collaboration with the Portuguese, Chinese, and even Cantonese editions, which at times are more thoroughly written in comparison to their English counterparts. Little Macau has been overshadowed by big brother Hong Kong in world history for far too long and reviving interest in Macau would be the region's blessing. Yinglong999 (talk) 06:58, 14 September 2021 (UTC)

Translation request
I request that somebody translates the Confucius descendants generation poem from Chinese into English. —Lights and freedom (talk ~ contribs) 00:35, 16 September 2021 (UTC)

Add Caixin to Wikipedia:Reliable sources/Perennial sources ?
I think it might be a good idea to start a discussion over whether Caixin is a reliable source in regards to Reliable sources/Perennial sources? It is under the jurisdiction of Mainland China but informally I've heard its pretty reliable for Mainland Chinese publications. Of course there's the usual caveat with claims regarding Mainland Chinese politics due to the government having supremacy.... WhisperToMe (talk) 15:29, 19 September 2021 (UTC)
 * I think that discussion is worth having. It is generally considered a top-tier reporting body by professional China analysts outside the country, but with the understanding that there are plenty of red lines, etc., that cannot be crossed, especially as of late. WhinyTheYounger (WtY) (talk, contribs)  15:10, 20 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Started at Reliable_sources/Noticeboard WhisperToMe (talk) 16:31, 20 September 2021 (UTC)
 * I've given my two cents there – probably does make sense to get broad community input on it (even if it doesn't make it to an entry in WP:RSP), though people at RSN can sometimes get a bit agitated when commenting on sources that haven't come off the back of a specific dispute... &#8209;&#8209;Volteer1 (talk) 18:11, 20 September 2021 (UTC)

Unsourced Food Article Clean-up
Hi, I've been trying to improve some food-related articles. Sourcing is always a pain because food is basically "folk knowledge", but it's even harder when it's in a language I don't know. Anyway, here's a list of articles that I have exhausted my brains and searching abilities in English Google News, Books, and Scholar and now I must kindly ask for help from anyone who can read and assess sources in Mandarin (but other dialects might help too).

I've explained the issues on each article's talk page

These ones were really bad and had little distinguishing it as a special dish. I'll send to AfD if there's no good Chinese source:


 * Chao hong guo (Haw dessert)
 * Qingtang wanzi (Meatball soup)
 * Xi gua lao (Watermelon agar)
 * Ruan zha li ji (Fried pork strips)
 * Mi zhi hu lu (Fried pork-fat in honey)

These ones were more promising, with unique English names but still have poor sourcing. My gut tells me a good Chinese source is out there:
 * Luosi zhuan (Snail bun)
 * Misandao (Honey cut cookie)
 * Kai kou xiao (Laughing sesame ball)
 * Yin si juan (Silver thread bun)
 * Yun dou juan (Kidney bean roll)

And before anyone gives me trouble for being too delete-focused, here are some topics that came up in my search that might actually be article-worthy:
 * Glorious Pharmacy, indie band
 * Misandao (band), punk band (the band came up more in English sources than the actual dessert.)
 * Ye Guangqin, author

Any help appreciated, cheers, Estheim (talk) 02:28, 23 September 2021 (UTC)


 * For yinsijuan, see here. That's a type of roll popular in many places outside of Beijing and definitely notable enough for a standalone article. Not sure how notable the rest are (for the less common dishes, it's not so easy finding Chinese recipes online that fully meet the sourcing requirements of the notability guideline), although kaikouxiao seems to be a Beijing variant of zh:芝麻棗, or possibly just a synonym for it. Cobblet (talk) 16:33, 23 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Thank you, I've added that source to Yin si juan. It's super hard to reference prepared foods in general (Peanut punch still tortures me, and that's in English-speaking Caribbean countries even). Sometimes the unreliable sources can give hints to other names/translations, and using the Chinese characters in a Google image search can show if many people are identifying the same thing using that name... but even with RSs, it's really getting water from stone! Estheim (talk) 18:17, 23 September 2021 (UTC)

RfC discussion at Talk:Second Cold War (September 2021)
I started an RfC discussion: Talk:Second Cold War --George Ho (talk) 18:24, 25 September 2021 (UTC)

Dalelkhan_Sugirbayev
Nusipkhan Konbay is a male. How can Dalelkhan Sugirbayev's son marry to Nusipkhan Konbay?--Kaiyr (talk) 09:00, 1 October 2021 (UTC)

Proposed deletion of Qiqihar Medical University


The article Qiqihar Medical University has been proposed for deletion&#32;because of the following concern: "The subject of the article appears to be a hoax. The subject's website is riddled with very simple grammatical errors which are completely unexpected for a university hoping to attract English-speaking students. A search for sources on the subject only pulls up those which which appear to be affiliated with the subject (compare the previous webpage with this 'review' website. It associates itself with a 'jagvimal' entity, which is also the phone number its website links to. Jagvimal also posts stolen articles in order to spam itself. And check out all the incredibly fake pictures that pop up when you search for this university!"

While all constructive contributions to Wikipedia are appreciated, pages may be deleted for any of several reasons.

You may prevent the proposed deletion by removing the notice, but please explain why in your edit summary or on the article's talk page.

Please consider improving the page to address the issues raised. Removing will stop the proposed deletion process, but other deletion processes exist. In particular, the speedy deletion process can result in deletion without discussion, and articles for deletion allows discussion to reach consensus for deletion. Equivamp - talk 04:38, 3 October 2021 (UTC)

Territory of Republic of China
Was it said somewhere that mainland territory of Republic of China currently occupied by Communist revolutionists is no longer considered as Republic of China territory and was de fecto annexted? Eurohunter (talk) 14:33, 30 September 2021 (UTC)
 * I assume your question is related to ? It would be a good idea to keep it there if that is the case. MarioGom (talk) 15:30, 30 September 2021 (UTC)
 * It's not related. I didn't asked there about it. Eurohunter (talk) 08:48, 1 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Then I'm afraid I don't fully grasp your question. Are you asking if there's any Wikipedia article that frames the PRC-ROC issue as the PRC being occupied territory? MarioGom (talk) 09:43, 1 October 2021 (UTC)
 * My question is: Is mainland territory of Republic of China no longer considered as Republic of China territory by Republic of China goverment? Eurohunter (talk) 09:48, 1 October 2021 (UTC)
 * The short answer is No. For a longer answer: When the ROC amended their constitution in 1991 they stopped pretending that they control mainland China, but didn't give up their claim to it. Instead they changed electoral laws so that they apply only to the "free area" of the ROC, i.e. Taiwan. You can find the amendments here and an in-depth discussion of the changes here.--Shmarrighan (talk) 06:40, 7 October 2021 (UTC)

Invite Chinese Wikipedians to check the draft 2021 Wikimedia Foundation's actions in Chinese Wikipedia
@ and Chinese WikiProject members: This draft was declined beause "not enough notability", a Wikipedia think this may caused by misread or misinterpreted the Chinese sources. I hope Chinese Wikipedian on English Wikipedia (esp. AFC members) to review those sources again, since the article have no notability issue on Chinese Wikipedia. Wiki Emoji &#124; Emojiwiki Talk 00:45, 9 October 2021 (UTC)

Requested move at Talk:Reed Bank
There is a requested move discussion at Talk:Reed Bank that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. — hueman1 ( talk •  contributions ) 04:58, 6 November 2021 (UTC)

Requested move at Talk:50 Cent Party
There is a requested move discussion at Talk:50 Cent Party that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. SkyWarrior 02:07, 17 November 2021 (UTC)

Discussion at Talk:Oriental studies § Proposed merge of Asian studies with Oriental studies
You are invited to join the discussion at Talk:Oriental studies § Proposed merge of Asian studies with Oriental studies. &#123;{u&#124; Sdkb  }&#125;  talk 18:15, 17 November 2021 (UTC)

New article on Chinese exceptionalism
Hi, I would just like to broadcast the creation of an article on Chinese exceptionalism, which could benefit from page watchers and contributors. JBchrch  talk  16:59, 27 November 2021 (UTC)

New navbox of prefectures
A new editor has created Prefectural-level divisions of the People's Republic of China for use on the various articles on prefecture-level divisions. Do editors here think it is necessary? The articles on prefecture-level cities generally already have a per-province navbox with places in that province. User:力 (powera, π,  ν ) 02:28, 1 December 2021 (UTC)

Chow Po Chung translation
Hello, I recently created a draft for Chow Po Chung. Any help with translation would be appreciated. Thank you, Thriley (talk) 06:39, 1 December 2021 (UTC)
 * For reference, the zh.wikipedia article is here: 周保松. —Mx. Granger (talk · contribs) 07:28, 1 December 2021 (UTC)

Requested move at Talk:China COVID-19 cover-up
There is a requested move discussion at Talk:China COVID-19 cover-up that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. — Shibboleth ink  (♔ ♕) 00:15, 11 December 2021 (UTC)

Yan (surname 顏)
I'd appreciate if someone could look over this page. An editor added dozens and dozens of names to this page which is supposed to be limited to notable individuals Wikipedia has articles on. I sense it was some genealogical project but as it is a common name, it could be expanded to include hundreds of historical figures. I reverted their edits but I don't want to eliminate important historical people. I sense my reverts will be reverted so I'd appreciate another pair of eyes looking over this page. Thank you. Liz Read! Talk! 20:10, 15 December 2021 (UTC)

3-way merge proposal being drafted at Draft:Chinese government response to COVID-19
A merge proposal is in the process of being drafted that may interest watchers of this talk page. For details please see –– FormalDude   talk 08:06, 23 December 2021 (UTC)

Requested move at Talk:Tangjun Ou Ling
There is a requested move discussion at Talk:Tangjun Ou Ling that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. — Shibboleth ink  (♔ ♕) 17:30, 26 December 2021 (UTC)

Should Open Door Policy be WP:SPLIT?

 * https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Open_Door_Policy#Article_should_be_split_into_two

LondonIP (talk) 19:45, 30 December 2021 (UTC)

FAR for Rock Springs massacre
I have nominated Rock Springs massacre for a featured article review here. Please join the discussion on whether this article meets featured article criteria. Articles are typically reviewed for two weeks. If substantial concerns are not addressed during the review period, the article will be moved to the Featured Article Removal Candidates list for a further period, where editors may declare "Keep" or "Delist" the article's featured status. The instructions for the review process are here. (t &#183; c)  buidhe  20:42, 31 December 2021 (UTC)

Conversion of full-width Latin letters and Arabic numbers
Greetings! I'm starting a cleanup of characters in the Halfwidth and Fullwidth Forms (Unicode block); some of them have leaked into English-language text. Since English Wikipedia uses variable-width fonts and horizontal writing, based on some quick research it looks like it's actually safe to transform full-width Latin letters and Arabic numerals to their ASCII equivalents (Ａ-Ｚ to A-Z, ａ-ｚ to a-z, and ０-９ to 0-9) even when they appear on English Wikipedia in Chinese, Japanese, or Korean text. This of course does not include instances where the characters themselves are under discussion. My plan is to start doing that when the next database dump is available in a week or two. If you have any questions, objections, concerns, or suggestions, please let me know! -- Beland (talk) 20:47, 2 January 2022 (UTC)
 * Does this affect searching? In other words, if we change a fullwidth character to an ASCII character in Chinese text and a reader then uses copy+paste to search for that text in a search engine like Google, will the ASCII characters prevent them from finding results that use the fullwidth characters? —Mx. Granger (talk · contribs) 07:51, 3 January 2022 (UTC)
 * It could go either way in terms of matching; web pages might use also ASCII characters against a search performed using full-width. I tested two search engines with "あいみょん初紅白！14日発表" vs. "あいみょん初紅白!14日発表" and "ＡＳＥＡＮ" vs. "ASEAN". Google seems to give exactly the same results with either input. Duck Duck Go does match both full-width and ASCII characters to both kinds on web pages. The top results appear to be the same either way, but some of the later results can be different, though they still seem to be on-topic. For example, a search for "ＡＳＥＡＮ" includes a result from zh.wikipedia.org but "ASEAN" does not, even though zh.wikipedia.org is using ASCII Latin characters. -- Beland (talk) 20:36, 10 January 2022 (UTC)
 * Thanks for testing it. In that case, I have no objections. (To confirm, I'm assuming that this applies only to Latin letters and Arabic numerals. For punctuation I think we should use full-width characters in Chinese text.) —Mx. Granger (talk · contribs) 20:55, 10 January 2022 (UTC)
 * Great, I've started converting letters and numbers. Yeah, I was just starting with those because I noticed the situation with punctuation is a bit more complicated. It looks like some will need to be retained inside CJK text but transformed when appearing incorrectly, e.g. in English text. My next question was actually going to be if there's any punctuation that should be always transformed. I see at that the following characters should be retained: ！（），．：；？［］～
 * But I was wondering if some or all of these should be converted to non-full-width forms: ＂＃＄％＆＇＊＋－／＠＼＾＿｀￠￡￥￦＜＝＞｛｜｝￤｟｠
 * -- Beland (talk) 01:20, 11 January 2022 (UTC)
 * I agree about ！（），．：；？［］～ . I'm not sure about the others, some of which are uncommon in Chinese text. I would imagine ｛｝｟｠ should be treated the same as the other brackets (kept full-width). For quotation marks I think non-full-width would be fine for Chinese. Not sure about the others. —Mx. Granger (talk · contribs) 16:55, 11 January 2022 (UTC)

Missing categories for jinshi
I noticed while working on translating Fong Foo Sec that Chinese Wikipedia has an extensive category structure for jinshi (see zh:Category:中國進士 and subcategories), but that it's entirely missing here. It certainly seems WP:DEFINING, and therefore fair game. Anyone want to build it here? &#123;{u&#124; Sdkb  }&#125;  talk 09:31, 25 January 2022 (UTC)

Peng Shuai RfC
If anyone is interested, an RfC regarding inclusion of suspicion of forced disappearance in Peng Shuai article's intro. CurryCity (talk) 22:12, 26 January 2022 (UTC)

Time in Chinese
FYI, a large number of Chinese time templates are up for deletion, see Templates for discussion/Log/2022 January 28 -- 65.92.246.142 (talk) 04:47, 30 January 2022 (UTC)

Chinese speaker needed
I recently created a draft for Kelly Zhang, the CEO of ByteDance China, and some of the content relies on Chinese-language media sources. When I approached User:SMcCandlish to move the draft to mainspace (I'm not doing so myself due to a conflict of interest), he suggested that someone who reads Chinese should give it a once-over to make sure the sources agree with what's being said in the article. Is anyone here able to help?

Pinging a few regulars and names from the Participants list:, , ,. Thank you! JatBD (talk) 18:30, 2 February 2022 (UTC)
 * FYI, I already gave it a tone/MOS editing pass. The subject does appear to be notable; I just don't read Chinese, so I'm not in a position to vet the sourcing and move it to mainspace.  — SMcCandlish ☏ ¢ 😼  18:41, 2 February 2022 (UTC)
 * Yes, the Forbes articles and the other references do confirm Zhang's positions, and I suppose they are Reliable Sources for the information. BTW, you can use Google Translate, if you use Chrome. Cheers. ch (talk) 22:22, 2 February 2022 (UTC)

Proposed changes to Film censorship in China
Hello! There is a proposal for a sorely needed rewrite of that article. Since the article doesn't have a lot of editors looking at it generally speaking and the article itself has been, ah, contentious (to say the least) in the past, I'm requesting experienced editors to participate in the discussion or help keep an eye on the article as it undergoes significant changes.

Currently, there is talk about renaming the article to List of banned films in the People's Republic of China, restrict the article to post-1949 (with possible splits), and creating definitions for the scope. As this is a lot of proposed changes for what is currently two editors, additional help or eyes would be very much appreciated. Please see the discussion at: Talk:Film censorship in China. ~Cheers, Ten  Ton  Parasol  19:01, 23 February 2022 (UTC)

Discussion at Yellow River Map
You are invited to join the discussion at Talk:Yellow_River_Map, which is within the scope of this WikiProject. GUT412454 (talk) 12:04, 24 February 2022 (UTC)

Standardize naming of Chinese township-level division articles
I've noticed that the links and pages of Chinese township-level division articles are all over the place. For example, for the subdistricts, some of them put "Subdistrict" in the page title (like Fenglin Subdistrict), but others don't (like Xinxianglu). Calgary341 (talk) 01:33, 23 February 2022 (UTC)
 * See the related discussion here: Wikipedia talk:Manual of Style/China- and Chinese-related articles. If we want to standardize subdistrict titles as "Moumou Subdistrict" instead of just "Moumou", that seems reasonable to me. —Mx. Granger (talk · contribs) 16:11, 23 February 2022 (UTC)
 * Maybe there could be a manual of style or something like that about Chinese township-level divisions. Calgary341 (talk) 23:31, 8 March 2022 (UTC)
 * Yes, we could add that to Manual of Style/China- and Chinese-related articles. Probably worth suggesting at the talk page for that guideline, I think. I'm not sure what convention is best for towns – maybe better to leave out the word "town", especially in articles like Chang'an, Dongguan that have another disambiguator. I don't know what's more common in English-language reliable sources. —Mx. Granger (talk · contribs) 07:36, 9 March 2022 (UTC)
 * What about naming something like 香港中路街道? Should it be translated to Xianggang Central Road Subdistrict or Xianggangzhonglu Subdistrict or something else? Calgary341 (talk) 23:15, 11 March 2022 (UTC)
 * I'm not sure. My instinct is to translate it as "Xianggang Middle Road Subdistrict", but are there English-language RSs that discuss that subdistrict? If not, is there an official translation used by the local government that we can defer to? —Mx. Granger (talk · contribs) 07:55, 12 March 2022 (UTC)
 * I would support a move to standardize these names by adding the specific administrative designation for third-level divisions or lower. Most of these places are relatively obscure in English coverage (which might translate the names otherwise), so it seems reasonable to me that we would just default to what Chinese government sources use. It looks like e.g. Subdistrict for 街道 is the norm based on a quick domain-restricted (site:.gov.cn) Google search for subdistrict vs. neighborhood and residential district. For places like Chang'an, I think it might ultimately be worth it to just insert Town, especially since there are plenty of places where that is a necessary element because of a higher administrative unit sharing a name with its sub-unit, like a lot of town(ships) 镇 in counties (县). Above the third-level divisions, we start to run into common name use issues, I think (we don't call it Hefei Prefecture-level city; it's just Hefei). WhinyTheYounger (WtY) (talk, contribs)  17:00, 9 March 2022 (UTC)

Merge discussion notice
An editor has requested for Liaoning Gymnasium to be merged into Liaoning Flying Leopards. Since you had some involvement with Liaoning Gymnasium or Liaoning Flying Leopards, you might want to participate in the merger discussion (if you have not already done so). A. C. Santacruz &#8258; Please ping me! 08:30, 12 March 2022 (UTC)

Name order of Jace Chan
Does anyone know whether Jace Chan is written in the "last name first" name order. Is her family name "Chan" or "Jace"? If "Jace" is her family name, it might be a good idea to add Template:Family name hatnote to the top of the article to avoid confusion when it comes to WP:SURNAME since she's referred to as "Chan" and as "Jace" in the body of the article. -- Marchjuly (talk) 04:15, 15 March 2022 (UTC)
 * Some people from Hong Kong adopt this order in writing: English first name + Chinese family name + Chinese given name. So in her case, it appears to be Jace + Chan + Hoi Wing. As for use in body, some artists go by or are more widely known under a stage name, although source #1 from the article does refer to her as "Chan". CurryCity (talk) 06:56, 15 March 2022 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the clarification . -- Marchjuly (talk) 10:33, 15 March 2022 (UTC)

Relevant discussion: How should we include allegations of China undercounting COVID-19 cases and deaths
You are invited to join in at Talk:Chinese government response to COVID-19 § RFC: How should we include allegations of undercounting?. — Shibboleth ink  (♔ ♕) 13:06, 20 March 2022 (UTC)

Chinese time templates
FYI, many Chinese time templates have been nominated for deletion at Templates_for_discussion/Log/2022_March_22 -- 65.92.246.142 (talk) 05:37, 24 March 2022 (UTC)

More Chinese time templates
FYI, some Chinese time templates are up for deletion at Templates for discussion/Log/2022 April 4 -- 65.92.246.142 (talk) 03:06, 6 April 2022 (UTC)

Creation of China Foreigner Permanent Resident Identity Card
I have created a plus one article (China Foreigner Permanent Resident Identity Card) for WikiProject, I need your input on the article page title. (See articles talk page) DownTownRich (talk) 22:03, 11 April 2022 (UTC)

Discussion about the redirect 中文
Participants at this WikiProject may be interested in this discussion: Redirects for discussion/Log/2022 April 26. —Mx. Granger (talk · contribs) 12:07, 27 April 2022 (UTC)

The Nine Something
A fairly important article that is a bit of a mess right now is Nine familial exterminations. See points and reply here.

Short version: It was easy enough for me to clean up the and  gore in the lead when I got there but it still doesn't seem to know what the actual English names of this practice are. It'll take someone knowledgeable or with time enough to go through sourcing what the major English names actually are and replacing the repetitive and half-English "names" that are there now. There may be enough variety among important reliable sources and pop culture that it ends up needing a new #Name section, again with sourcing. — Llywelyn II   00:27, 29 April 2022 (UTC)

User script to detect unreliable sources
I have (with the help of others) made a small user script to detect and highlight various links to unreliable sources and predatory journals. Some of you may already be familiar with it, given it is currently the 39th most imported script on Wikipedia. The idea is that it takes something like and turns it into something like
 * John Smith "Article of things" Deprecated.com. Accessed 2020-02-14.
 * John Smith "Article of things" Deprecated.com. Accessed 2020-02-14.

It will work on a variety of links, including those from cite web, cite journal and doi.

The script is mostly based on WP:RSPSOURCES, WP:NPPSG and WP:CITEWATCH and a good dose of common sense. I'm always expanding coverage and tweaking the script's logic, so general feedback and suggestions to expand coverage to other unreliable sources are always welcomed.

Do note that this is not a script to be mindlessly used, and several caveats apply. Details and instructions are available at User:Headbomb/unreliable. Questions, comments and requests can be made at User talk:Headbomb/unreliable.

- &#32; Headbomb {t · c · p · b}

This is a one time notice and can't be unsubscribed from. Delivered by: MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 16:01, 29 April 2022 (UTC)

Transliteration of apostrophe-like characters
(and any other interested parties): Given that asper has changed and may no longer represent what is supposed to be used for Wade-Giles, I've created wg-apos and am changing articles over to use that. If you think U+02BB is the wrong character for Wade-Giles, feel free to change the template, but at least this way that choice isn't tangled up with notation for Greek and whatnot. -- Beland (talk) 19:44, 28 May 2022 (UTC)
 * That sounds like a reasonable plan (I like that the new template goes by meaning more than looks). When you are done, don't forget to update the documentation for asper to remove mention of Wade-Giles. —Kusma (talk) 19:53, 28 May 2022 (UTC)
 * Updated! -- Beland (talk) 20:02, 28 May 2022 (UTC)

Attempts to add Uyghurstan and Chinese/Eastern Turkestan as postal romanizations and former names for Xinjiang?
An editor keeps adding the proposed name of Uyghurstan and the historical subregion names Chinese Turkestan and Eastern Turkestan as alternate names and postal romanizations of Xinjiang. The cited academic source does not give these as historical names (and definitely not postal romanizations!) of the entire Xinjiang region.

These three names are historical names for the Tarim Basin subregion used in specific contexts and are also modern proposed names, but they are not appropriate in the way that this editor keeps trying to insert them at the top of the Xinjiang article.

The origin of these attempts is last month.

Any further assistance is appreciated. 171.66.135.244 (talk) 02:26, 31 May 2022 (UTC)

Recent editors here, User:Kusma User:Beland User:LlywelynII User:Mx. Granger, would it help Wikipedia for you to be aware of this? 171.66.135.244 (talk) 02:33, 31 May 2022 (UTC)
 * Well, obviously they aren't the postal romanizations and that should always be removed. The postal romanization was Sinkiang. I wouldn't consider them 'historical subregion' names either: they're just extremely politically charged present names which should be handled carefully and their context explained and sourced. — Llywelyn II   05:04, 31 May 2022 (UTC)
 * I agree with LlywelynII. "Chinese Turkestan" and "Eastern Turkestan" are historical names used in some old sources, but AFAIK usually not for quite the same region that constitutes modern Xinjiang. I've never seen "Uyghurstan" in historical sources, only in the context of modern separatist movements. All three terms are highly politically charged, and they are not postal romanizations. —Mx. Granger (talk · contribs) 09:43, 31 May 2022 (UTC)
 * I agree with the two people above. These names are different in character to "Sinkiang", which is just PSP for Xinjiang, not an alternative name. BTW there is also a (glacially slow) edit war at Chinese Turkestan, a redirect that should probably go to East Turkestan but currently goes to Xinjiang. Perhaps some of the "Turkestan" names could be discussed in the "Names" section of Xinjiang, but I see no reason to mention this in the lead section. —Kusma (talk) 11:19, 31 May 2022 (UTC)

FAR for Anna May Wong
I have nominated Anna May Wong for a featured article review here. Please join the discussion on whether this article meets featured article criteria. Articles are typically reviewed for two weeks. If substantial concerns are not addressed during the review period, the article will be moved to the Featured Article Removal Candidates list for a further period, where editors may declare "Keep" or "Delist" the article's featured status. The instructions for the review process are here. (t &#183; c)  buidhe  03:43, 11 June 2022 (UTC)

Kashmir delsort
I am currently aiming to finish setting up all the delsorts for the remaining states of India, as well as some of the more populated union territories. However, I am not sure if Indian-controlled Kashmir should be handled in the delsort system with the Pakistani- and Chinese-controlled parts, or if all the regions of Kashmir should be handled separately. More discussions at WT:DELSORT. –LaundryPizza03 ( d c̄ ) 00:22, 28 June 2022 (UTC)

An Article Needs Re-Assessment
Hello, I am from Wikiproject Plants and have just assessed the article Rice production in China. Currently this article is rated as Stub-Class on your scale but this article no longer is a stub. I ask that this article be reviewed again. Thank you! 𝙷𝚎𝚕𝚕𝚘𝚑𝚎𝚊𝚛𝚝 👋❤️ (𝚃𝚊𝚕𝚔🤔) 02:57, 29 June 2022 (UTC)

Requested move at Talk:Dêmqog, Ngari Prefecture
There is a requested move discussion at Talk:Dêmqog, Ngari Prefecture that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. ~Styyx Talk ? 18:48, 3 July 2022 (UTC)

Requested move at Talk:Keriya Town
There is a requested move discussion at Talk:Keriya Town that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. Extraordinary Writ (talk) 17:42, 13 July 2022 (UTC)

Proposed split for TikTok/Douyin
Hi everyone. Please take a look at my split proposal for Douyin, TikTok's Chinese sister app, at Talk:TikTok. I would especially appreciate it if members of this WikiProject, and in particular Chinese speakers, could weigh in on the discussion, as my draft for a potential Douyin article (found at User:Bkenny44/Douyin) relates substantially to Chinese culture and relies in part on Chinese-language sources like this one. Thank you, Bkenny44 (talk) 13:09, 20 July 2022 (UTC)

Template like Template:Nihongo but for Chinese
Having worked on a lot of Japan related articles I am a big fan of Template:Nihongo. While there are a few templates, I want one that works in this kind of way Secular Shrine Theory (神社非宗教論) with the form English name - (Characters - Transliteration). It helps a lot with simply showing a word and the characters/pronounciation to help explaining etymology. Immanuelle 💗 (please tag me) 19:02, 27 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Template:Lang-zh may be of benefit. See also Template:CJKV for cross-cultural topics. Folly Mox (talk) 20:16, 27 July 2022 (UTC)

Chartered Bank Building, Shanghai
Anyone able to help expand Chartered Bank Building, Shanghai, per the Chinese Wikipedia entry? --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 02:21, 12 August 2022 (UTC)

Requested move at Talk:UN Human Rights Office assessment of human rights concerns in Xinjiang
There is a requested move discussion at Talk:UN Human Rights Office assessment of human rights concerns in Xinjiang that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. — hueman1 ( talk •  contributions ) 08:36, 3 September 2022 (UTC)

Requested move at Talk:Zayü County
There is a requested move discussion at Talk:Zayü County that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. – robertsky (talk) 17:11, 15 September 2022 (UTC)