User talk:Magioladitis/Archive 1

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Vergis?
Hi, I'll keep an eye out for the ballot paper you mentioned.

On another note, are you sure Vergis ran in the election. The Ministry of Interior website doesn't mention him (http://194.176.113.1/dimos.aspx?id=105). It's a great site by the way. --Damac 21:26, 15 October 2006 (UTC)
 * It must be late. His name is there. Sorry about that! --Damac 21:27, 15 October 2006 (UTC)

Hi, thanks for the ballot. I am looking the results from (http://elections.ypes.gr) and Vergis is there. -- Magioladitis 21:29, 15 October 2006 (UTC)

Wikipedia:WikiProject Treaties
Thanks for contributing to the List of treaties article. I would appreciate any other contributions you might have pertaining to treaties in general. If you want, please sign your name at WikiProject Treaties if you are interested in writing treaty articles, editing them, etc. If not, thanks anyway for your help. Later. Deucalionite 14:11, 23 October 2006 (UTC)

Greg Yaitanes
No problem. I don't know why, but that page was really hard for me too. It was like a math puzzle or something. - Peregrine Fisher 22:16, 2 February 2007 (UTC)

thanks.html
thanks.html —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 207.61.222.205 (talk) 16:41, 6 February 2007 (UTC).

Just a little heads up on the TV station posts...
You might have to do a little reverting before to change the "established in..." categories. We have an idiot running around these boards named "BenH". That account has been banned, but we caught him sockpuppeting under various IP addresses.

You can see his rap sheet here:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Suspected_Wikipedia_sockpuppets_of_BenH

If the previous author goes by these names or addresses -- best to revert them. What he says in these changes are either false and/or unnecessary.

Many thanks.

-- azumanga 00:59, 15 February 2007 (UTC)

Question
Got a bit of a problem. There are some of Clear Channel radio stations that are now under "BT Triple Crown Merger Co." (a private company that is pretty much still Clear Channel), should I put the merger company name in small italics under Clear Channel or just put Clear Channel and leave it at that? - SVRTVDude (Yell - Toil) 19:48, 20 February 2007 (UTC)


 * Better place your question here. I just entered the Project and I still don't know the policy. -- Magioladitis 20:29, 20 February 2007 (UTC)


 * Okie Dokie...Thanks Dude:) - SVRTVDude (Yell - Toil) 20:48, 20 February 2007 (UTC)

TV stations
In reference to:
 * [BenH] is really confussing me. Should i remove all the stub tags he adds or only the ABC, NBC, etc.? I never could imagine it would be so difficult to change the categories! -- Magioladitis 13:38, 20 February 2007 (UTC)

Please do -- the stub tags are meant only for short articles, and stubs for cities, states, etc. are not meant to be catch alls. Also, state-related categories should only be for the station's city of license, not the entire coverage area. Finally, the use of "|W***" or "|K***" at the end of categories (with the astreisks being the rest of the call letters) is unnecessary, as Wikipedia places them in order by the first letter automatically.

Hope this helps. -- azumanga 17:35, 22 February 2007 (UTC)

Heroes.
I didn't delete ANYTHING on the talk page. I reorganized it. Someone tried to 'gather' all the talk about page length into one section, but did so by duplicating all of both sections, creating two Identical threads on the page. People were answering in both threads. I combined both threads back into one extended thread. Use the edit history to compare the before and after, and you'll see what I mean. Here is what I did. ThuranX 21:23, 2 March 2007 (UTC)


 * I understand that. I don't understand why you can't wait til lthe season's over. We've gone through this entire sections nad length thing twice before, at least. Every time, we agree to WAIT till the season's over, so we can assess the entire page wit the sesason's fill of hindsight. Anything else seems reckless. For example: We won't need lengthy articles on each of Sylar's victims in three more seasons, a list would be fine, probably one that includes victim name, power they had, season and episode. But now, with only what, 17? episodes out, they seem more important. Reflecting in hindsight would be a great plan. What if Sylar's dead at the end of Volume one? (the first season). Then we'd need a simple table on his page, and nothign on the minor characters page, which will probably be held for recurrent minor characters who cross seasons. Right now, examples of such character APPEAR to be Ando, Linderman, Claire's brother and mother, but we have to wait and see. A little patience will kill no one. Finally, have you joined the WP:HEROES yet? we could use more editors if you haven't. ThuranX 01:03, 3 March 2007 (UTC)

Radio Disney Page
I'd love to update that page to add the contests they did. Could you revise this?

Contests
Radio Disney also gives out cool prizes. If you win a contest, you are in the running to win a Grand Prize, which usually consists of meeting a Radio Disney artist or going on an all expenses paid trip. (Usually a dude ranch, a Disney theme park, etc)


 * 'Codeword of the Day'-The codeword is given out a few times every hour.
 * 'Bud and Iggy's 'Where Are We?' ' Bud and Iggy are lost and it is up to you to find out where they are. Three clues were given out.
 * 'Backwards Bop'-A snippet of a song was played backward. You had to try and guess what the song is forward (1996-2001)
 * Slowpoke Snippet''-Exactly like Backwards Bop, only the song was slowed down (1996-2001)
 * 'My Dog's Better Than Your Dog'Callers call in with their pet dog and tries to get them to bark on command. (1997-2001)
 * 'I Did Something Cool In School'A Just Plain Mark and Zippy contest done weekly. Callers call in, and tell about something they did in school. The most interesting one wins (1996-2001)
 * 'I Just Found Out'Another Just Plain Mark and Zippy weekly contest. Callers call in, telling about something they found out, either in school, at home, etc.
 * 'I Had A Bad Day Because'The third of Just Plain Mark and Zippy's contest. The caller who had the worst bad day wins (1996-2001)
 * 'Just Plain Mark and Zippy's Island' This was done every Friday afternoon. Kids would send in their made up stores about being stranded on a deserted island. The story would contain three song titles in the sentences and those songs would be played and you would win a prize.

An example of a story would be "My family went on a boat trip to Hawaii, but on our way, our boat capsized, so we had to swim to a nearby island. When we finally got to land, we came across a sign that said "Welcome to the beautiful island of C'est La Vie

And that particular song would be played and this continued for two more songs.


 * 'Battle of the Cities' Two callers from different cities would call in. (During Mark and Zippy's show) and three questions would be given out. The caller who answers the most questions wins and gets bragging rights for their city.

Atlanta2003 08:55, 5 March 2007 (UTC)

TV
and? Just because some TV shows use them does not mean there's a consensus to apply them wiki-wide. They're not needed in the context of the articles. Matthew 13:36, 15 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Why not? The summary changes vert often until we watch the episodes and for one more reason: many people add unconfirmed info and this is a goos warning before we remove it.
 * No they do not change very often, the template is not a warning not to add unconfirmed information, a simple hidden comment would do that, also alerting the adders to WP:ATT, none the less the tags are unneeded clutter. Matthew 13:48, 15 March 2007 (UTC)
 * You're welcome to get consensus for the "warning" to be added, there is however none to add it, and as in my opinion it is unneeded I have again removed it (you're welcomed to remove it from the Lost LOE if it so pleases you). Matthew 14:27, 15 March 2007 (UTC)
 * The last time these warnings were discussed the consensus was to only apply them to shows in which the shows running is possibly an issue, or something could drastically change suddenly, a page properly cited would not need these warnings. Matthew 14:37, 15 March 2007 (UTC)

Deletion of Jericho episode.
Hey Magioladitis, You recently deleted the episode that I had added on the Jericho wiki. The information about that episode is stated on the official jericho wiki, in the "Ask the producers" section (see here: http://jerichowiki.cbs.com/page/Ask+the+Producers ). Just thought I'd let you know. Thanks Mrx9898 09:03, 20 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Hey. Thanks. I just glimshed the episode list in the official Jericho wiki and the episode wasn't there. Sorry for deleting. -- Magioladitis 16:04, 20 March 2007 (UTC)

Don't "sub-categorize" footballers
Hello. May I ask you not to "sub-categorize" footballers by removing the nationality categories, such as Category:Spanish footballers, even when they are included in a sub-category such as Category:Spain international footballers. The standard practice is to always include them in the super-category concerning its nationality. This is suggested by the guideline Categorization and subcategories. So duplication of categories is preferred. Thanks. Chanheigeorge 00:49, 29 March 2007 (UTC)
 * ok. Thanks for the information. -- Magioladitis 09:22, 29 March 2007 (UTC)

List of Prison Break minor characters
That is certainly a fair point you raise about the Imdb, so I would think better of citing it. However, the page you linked was merely the "series cast and crew," which only lists actors that are credited as being in 2 or more episodes. You'll also notice no listing for "Kristine Kellerman" on that page either. TV.com also lists Tina Holmes as playing "Kristine Pace". Granted, it also has some user-created content, but in my experience, the credits tend to be more accurate than the Imdb with regard to recently aired episodes. Would this be justifiable as a secondary source? Thanks for the input. -Juansmith 06:01, 5 April 2007 (UTC)
 * I think you are right although I checked and I think TV.com is also a non-reliable source. I checked the official Prison Break board and her surname is certainly Pace. I believe you've done an excellent work with this! -- Magioladitis 00:18, 6 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Hi. The character was originally listed as "Kristine Pace" but later in the episode, "Fin Del Camino", in the scene where Paul Kellerman is about to commit suicide, he writes her name down as "Kristine Kellerman". I think we should follow the name mentioned in the episode itself. What Prison Break board are you referring to? Do you mean the forum? By the way, there was a similar change of name for "Jane Phillips", who was actually credited as "Jane Barrow" in an earlier episode. Regards, Ladida 10:20, 6 April 2007 (UTC)


 * Hi. First of all i want to comment that I haven't watched the two last episodes yet. It seems the thing with Kellerman's sister last name to be more complicated than I believed. Well, the steps i did were the following:
 * I checked the boards of the official page and everybody calls her "Pace".
 * I checked the 2 official press releases at the Futon Critic from both episodes she appears and the name was again "Pace". Especially, check here for the official press release of her last appearance.
 * If i may guess something is that Kristine Kellerman was married and changed her last name to Pace. In fact I have no problem to be stated either as Pace or Kellerman. I think if in the series she was never mentioned as "Pace" and you say that she was mentioned once as "Kellerman" is better to have her with the latter name. I ll not attempt any other edit to the name until the thing is completely cleared. (Wow! I wrote many things finally!) -- Magioladitis 11:16, 6 April 2007 (UTC)

The press releases are kind of dodgy with names like spelling Sara as "Sarah". I noticed that "Pace" was used in the press releases and in TV Guide which gets its info from press releases. That was the reason I added the character with that name prior to the episode "Fin Del Camino". Her last name was never spoken out loud but Paul Kellerman later wrote it down so ... I don't know ... Thanks for your reply, by the way. :) Ladida 14:58, 6 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Ladida - I just checked my recording of "Fin del Camino", and you're correct. He writes her name down on the envelope as Kristine Kellerman. Good call.  Her name may very well be Kristine Pace (and for some reason he referred to her by her maiden name), but I'd say we have no official basis by which to confirm that. -Juansmith 17:08, 6 April 2007 (UTC)
 * I'm going to copy the content of this discussion over to the talk page for the article, since it seems to belong there more appropriately. -Juansmith 17:09, 6 April 2007 (UTC)

Christopher Lloyd (gardener)
Thanks for your edit to Christopher Lloyd (gardener). Unfortunately, Arts and Crafts with a capital C refers to the Arts and Crafts movement. Nathaniel Lloyd's work was in the Arts and Crafts' style. His posters were not about arts and crafts. --Bejnar 02:42, 23 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Thanks. -- Magioladitis 09:05, 23 April 2007 (UTC)

Molly Walker
because your edit removed random chunks, leaving poor grammar and fragmented sentences. While I rebuilt the first part, I forgot the second part. I'll fix it now. ThuranX 13:08, 28 April 2007 (UTC)

Thanks. I'm trying to find ways to shorten a little bit the descriptions. They are to detailed. English grammar is not my strong point... yet. -- Magioladitis 13:16, 28 April 2007 (UTC)


 * they are rarely too detailed, and you seem mostly to be shortening the shorter descriptions, which can result in large blank spots due to the size of the images accompanying each character. There's little point to removing much more, many of these entries have been revised shorter before many times. ThuranX 13:19, 28 April 2007 (UTC)

KKE
Sorry about that. I was editing out of a version prior to your edit, and accidentally deleted your edit. --Soman 11:05, 27 May 2007 (UTC)

Hi,

Following your advise I post my point of view in your talk page.

As I understand you have study a bit of KKE history. In my opinion you missed the point of the existance of the Greek Communist party ( in particular) or any other Communist or "Communist" Party elswhere. I don't want to give a lecture - this is not my point at all- so I will be sort.

The Communist Party of Greece, was founded under the Marxist-Leninist Theory and is still under this ideology. Throughout its 90 year history, although it had turns that brought questions on its character, it never deviated from its original roots. Furthermore, KKE kept the same organization chart all those years - otherwise we couldn't refer to it as a Leninist Party.

Although KKE disolved the greek local organizations in 1950, a small underground organization was still existing in order to sustain the political line that KKE was embrashing those years for peaceful action in Greece. It never disolved the organisations in the Sosialist States and the Central Comitee of the Party was still working with headquarters in Romania. This can be found in all KKE documents but here I talk out of personal experie on these issues.

Splits and rejections of the KKE were held throughout its 90 year old history, but never a party created from KKE's split had neither the power or the same political agenta.

Last but not least, KKE members that entered the Party all these 90 years are still members of KKE and- for what is worth- these members were the katalyst that kept KKE a Marxist Leninist party on the crisis of 1991.

About Elections: Main KKE political line is the creation of coalitions based on peoples political formations and common goals. Under this respect Peoples front on '30s, EAM on '40s, EDA on 1950-1967, United Left on 1974, Synaspismos on 1988, PAME on 1998 are under the same political umbrella: Coalitions of the left winged group of citizens or parties. Even today, although "KKE" was the title in the election several small groups were also joining this effort.

Under the above prespective, KKE has a history of 90 years. You can't detach any of these years from this solid history line. —Preceding unsigned comment added by DKAce (talk • contribs)
 * I think we should move this discussion to Talk:Communist Party of Greece. I'm going to cut the above comment and post it there.--Damac 07:09, 28 September 2007 (UTC)

Re: Oliver Close
Hi, I noticed that you started the article on Oliver Close Estate, which has a link from the Leyton article. The article has a history that you could probably draw on to expand it. -- Rob C (Alarob) 18:16, 9 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Hi. I just made some changes following Dead-end pages. I haven't checked the article's history. I just saw that the article was meant to redirect to Leyton.  Should we try to expand the article or revert to redirection? -- Magioladitis 18:22, 9 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Since there's a link at Leyton to Oliver Close, I'm in favor of fixing up a short article. It's a housing estate that was demolished in 1997, as I remember, and somehow it ended up on my watchlist. I wasn't involved in the AfD discussion. It appears that thousands of people have lived there, so it's as notable as any of our small towns that we cover so diligently over here in the States. I mean, I started Elko, Georgia, so can't pretend that Oliver Close isn't notable enough. -- Rob C (Alarob) 18:27, 9 June 2007 (UTC)
 * OK then. I agree it should be a separate article. I can only make small improvements since I am not familiar with the subject. Right now i am adding tags,links and categories to articles. -- Magioladitis 18:34, 9 June 2007 (UTC)
 * No problem; I'll jump to it when I can. This weekend I expect. -- Rob C (Alarob) 18:36, 9 June 2007 (UTC)

OK, it's a bit longer now. I found an archaeological report online! -- Rob C (Alarob) 21:17, 9 June 2007 (UTC)

Template:Deadend
Hey, I noticed you are a regular DEP contributor, so I wanted your opinion.

I have made a new template, at Template:Deadend. Could you please comment and/or vote on the templates talk page (here)?

Thanks! Matt/TheFearow (Talk) (Contribs) (Bot) 04:14, 18 June 2007 (UTC)

Your article
I took a look at Upasana Vaduthala. It still needs work, but it's better than before. I see no reason to delete it.

If you would like people to help improve the article, I suggest that you leave a note at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject India asking for assistance.

Best regards. Yechiel Man 15:26, 24 June 2007 (UTC)

Hi!
I noticed some tagging you were doing at new pages patrol. We need help so thanks! Just wanted to drop you a message about one issue. When you tag an article for speedy deletion, it really needs to fall into a specific speedy deletion criteria, which are listed at WP:CSD. There are a pretty short list of speedy deletion tags that are used often which tell you in their text the criteria they are used under (you can memorize them pretty quickly because their names tell you the criteria).

Here's a list of pretty much all of them: db-bio, db-group, db-web, db-nonsense, db-empty, db-nocontext, db-band, db-club, db-attack, db-repost, db-vandal, db-spam, , db-redirtypo, db-redirnone, db-blanked and db-talk. The generic deletion tag is pretty much only useful for articles that fit some criteria but further explanation is needed. If nothing fits, the typical thing to do is to use a prod tag. If that is removed, or the deletion is controversial, the article can be listed at AFD. Cheers.--Fuhghettaboutit 15:39, 24 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Great! Since you should be armed with all the information in the area, on a related issue, it is often appropriate to leave a message on a creating user's talk page when tagging. For instance, for articles tagged as db-bio/db-band/db-group (CSD A7), nn-warn is useful (all of these templates, unlike the db deletion templates, should be substituted and have parameters for the name of the article being referred to in the warning, so you would format them like so: name of article--~ ). For empty articles (CSD A1 and A3): empty-warn. For attack pages (CSD G10): attack. For nonsense (CSD G1): Nonsensepages, and generic, "please stop creating crap": test1article, (which succeeds to test2article and so on, or uw-create (which succeeds to uw-create2 and so on.


 * For articles that you have prodded (done by placing the prod, template like this your rationale for why the article should be deleted ; a very useful template for newpages patrol), you can add to the author's talk page prodwarning. You can explore various warning templates at WP:UTM. If you have any questions about newpages patrol, or anything else, please do not hesitate to drop me a message.--Fuhghettaboutit 15:55, 24 June 2007 (UTC)

Helicopter NPOV
Re this edit on List of Coalition aircraft losses in Iraq. You say it is NPOV to report the American version of events and that both sources must be cited. Perhaps we can include the militant claim, but only in the form I had it in. Why? First, the militants have exaggerated many helicopter death tolls, so why is this the only one cited? Second, surely the American military is a more credible source on this matter--If we are to believe them about every other helicopter crash, why provide a counter-source for this incident? And how would the militants even know how many passengers were on the craft? PBP 16:16, 7 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Hi. I think the NPOV says that we have to present both sides of the event equaly. Why believe that the militants have exaggerated the tolls and not that the US Army are decresing the number of deaths? (I don't say that they certainly do it but I think you get my point). It would be good if you had cross referenced for all the cases. Of course, we are using referenced from Western media because it's more easy for us to find. Moreover, for some cases I checked in Al-Jazzera for example, the numbers of the casualties were exactly the same. Of course, I didn't have the time to do it for all the cases. The way you suggest to be written obviously implies that the US sources are more trustworthy than the others and I don't think this is a NPOV. Friendly, Magioladitis 16:50, 7 July 2007 (UTC)

Overlinking
Thanks for your help on the Titanic passengers page :) I wasn't aware that there was a policy against overlinking, but it does help to reduce the size! Morhange 08:40, 8 July 2007 (UTC)


 * I also found out about this policy by luck and I think it's a cool one. Nice work with the aritcle. We saved the aricle from deletion but now steps must be done in order to make it a good article. I have some suggestions: 1. Make the table sortable, 2. Instead of using italics put a column "Saved" with a Y or N, 3. divide the Hometown in two columns Hometown and Homecountry for better sorting. Moreover, can you explain me what is this "m" next to same ages? I don't get it. Keep the good work! -- Magioladitis 08:48, 8 July 2007 (UTC)
 * I thought about adding the Saved column, I just didn't want to make it too cluttered; the same with the hometown/country, though I did think about adding the flags for nationality in replacement of the country. Also, how can I make the table sortable? I'm not new to Wiki, per se, but I just edit mostly, I'm not familiar with all the cool albeit advanced things you can do. Also, the "m" stands for months, and it's only for the infant passengers. I didn't want to put 0, because I think of a newborn when I see that, and I didn't want to put 1, because they weren't one. I think I could length it to mos. or something like that to clarify. Morhange 08:58, 8 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Just saw your new edits! WOW! Very cool! The only problem I have is with the ages, now all the babies are messing up the age column by appearing under other ages, instead of being grouped at the top above the year-olds. Morhange 09:08, 8 July 2007 (UTC)

Condemned_(band)
Hi. Thank you for your response and understanding. I have cleaned up the article and re-written the page. If you have a second could you take a look and let me know if you have anymore suggestions to avoid deletion? It is very true as you point out that the sources for reviews etc in death metal aren't going to be in the likes of Rolling Stones magazine ;) . Mojowibble 18:58, 11 July 2007 (UTC)

Cobo
Hi. Sorry it took so long for me to get back to you. I wasn't intending to take a break from Wikipedia, yet one sort of happened and I haven't edited in several weeks. In response to your question, it was perfectly all right for you to create Cobo. The page I deleted was garbage - I believe the text was "Cobo - long hair - his sister's hot" or something like that. Creating a non-garbage page at a title that happened to have previously been used for a nonsense page is no problem at all. Natalie 20:37, 20 July 2007 (UTC)

List of Coalition aircraft losses in Iraq
Hi, Magioladitis. You were right about there being three Puma crashes, that was my mistake. However, the Harring Report is incorrect in its facts. If you compare the two pages, you will see that the Harring Report has copied the Wikipedia page word for word; using it as a source would mean we were using ourselves as a source! I don't know why they inserted the info about casualties to the three crashes in question, since I can find no sources outside that site that says people died in those crashes. Iraq Coalition Casualties, which lists all official deaths, shows no one dying in those crashes on those days. It must be an error on Harring's side. Hope this clears things up. PBP 05:46, 8 August 2007 (UTC)


 * I will wait, but like I said, the Harring Report seems to just have copied its text from our site. Of course GNU allows that, but he really shouldn't cite other sources if he got it from us. And after a bit of searching, given the tail number provided on the page, I have found a reference to the Oct 30 crash: http://home.att.net/~jbaugher/2000.html . Helicopter number 5211 is listed as: "Crashed with 6-6th Cav Oct 30, 2003 near Balad AAF, Iraq. Force landed after inflight fire.  Crew exited safely but aircraft burnt out." PBP 16:18, 8 August 2007 (UTC)

WP:PROD on The 123rd FA Cup final
Please have a look at WP:PROD. Prod nomination should contain a reason as to why you think it should be deleted. Thanks. KTC 06:19, 8 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the comment. In fact, i have requested a speedy delete of the article at first and there have given a reason. The speedy was declined and then i proposed a prod but I forgot to add the reason again. I'll be more careful in the future -- Magioladitis 07:09, 8 September 2007 (UTC)

DEFAULTSORT and accents
Howdy. A non-obvious bit of wiki-trivia is that, to get correct English sorting in categories, the letters in sort keys in DEFAULTSORT and category statements need to be stripped of accents. As an example, for Pedro Julio Sánchez, the correct form is:, and not  (with the accented "a"). The problem is that the Wikipedia database use binary sorting, where "á" comes after "z", instead of with/near &amp;quot;a". This is a long-standing bug in Wikipedia that isn't going to be fixed any time soon (it really is a hard problem to fix correctly). See also WP:Categorization_of_people. Studerby 00:50, 11 September 2007 (UTC)

SrCl2•6H2O
Hi. Take a second look to that page. See that all the content is already in Magioladitis 17:33, 16 September 2007 (UTC)
 * I wasn't endorsing the article - I was just objecting to your speedy deletion tag. Your the one who blanked the article and created the redirect and then nominated it as a bad redirect. Thats an inappropriate use of the speedy tag.  WP:PROD would have been more appropriate. ---J.S  (T/C/WRE) 17:45, 16 September 2007 (UTC)
 * ok. Maybe I had to nominate it immediately for speedy without fixing it first a little bit. But, I wanted, in case speedy is not appropriate, to have the redirect page instead of the duplicated article. I think, in fact, I did two steps in one. In any case the article shouldn't remain since there is a better page containing all the info already. Thanks. -- Magioladitis 17:52, 16 September 2007 (UTC)
 * A redirect seems fine to me. Redirects are cheep anyway. You could nominate it at WP:RFD perhapses. ---J.S  (T/C/WRE) 17:55, 16 September 2007 (UTC)

OAKKE
Hi, I noticed your edit of election results on the OAKKE page. When I was in Greece I was told that the electorate of OAKKE mainly consisted of aging KKE sympathizers who selected the wrong party by mistake. Is there any substance to such a statement and, more importantly, would there be any way to source that? --Soman 18:56, 23 September 2007 (UTC)


 * Hi. This theory is spread mainly from KKE supporters to downgrade any influence small parties, using the word "Communist" in their title, may have or it's mainly said as a joke between people.. It is said the same for M-L KKE in some cases and less for KKE (m-l). I don't think there is any real basis one that and I don't think there is any reliable source for something like that.

Some people may get confused but I don't think that is the majority but a very small minority which it may be smaller than old people voting using ballots from previous elections(!) [This is happening because candidates post ballots with their name marked and some older people use them again after some years!]. The only thing I have read about confusing OAKKE with KKE is a letter to Rizospastis (KKE's newspaper) in 2004 from one of their members claiming that in a polling station there were counted 3 votes for OAKKE and none for KKE even if he and his family had voted KKE there. Btw, you are doing a wonderful job in Wikipedia -- Magioladitis 07:52, 24 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Thank you, I'm also very grateful for your contributions here. I have another question: At Movement for the United in Action Left the word 'CGT union' is mentioned. Which union is this? GSEE? PAME? -Soman 15:15, 24 September 2007 (UTC)


 * It's GSEE. Kostopoulos disagreed with PAME and left a little before its foundation. One of the reasons of his expulsion from KKE was his support to a French-like 35-hours-per-week model which declared by publishing a book without the party's approval. -- Magioladitis 15:31, 24 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Interesting article on KEKKE. I found, is that a personal blog or an actual organization. Did KEKKE themselves use the term Marxist-Leninist-Stalinist? What do we know about OKMLE? Did they have exiles in Albania? --Soman 15:49, 24 September 2007 (UTC)
 * I really have to learn Greek at some point. I found . Is it correct, judging from the forum post, to say that OKMLE broke away from KKE(m-l) in 1973? What is PPSP? --Soman 15:52, 24 September 2007 (UTC)
 * I'll try to start the article for OKMLE probably today. I have to check some notes I have. OKMLE's blog is maintained by Anasintaxi. I am not sure if the the term M-L-S was first used by KEKKE or by Anasintaxi. I'll check my archive of newspapers. OKMLE didn't split from KKE (m-l), that's incorrect. OKMLE was created from KKE members. OKMLE was connected with the Labour Party (Albania). They never affiliated themselves with OMLE or KKE(m-l) because of the critique the maoists did to Zachariades. Sofianos, who was a leading figure of the Zachariadists in Tashkent, and his wife were participated in the establishment of the the "Temporary CP of KKE", later KKE (m-l) (not the one who occurred from OMLE's split but the one before). The left KKE (m-l) almost immediately. Sofianos died in the socialist countries and never got connected with OKMLE or the Zachariadists in Greece. If he did, he would probably be their leader.
 * PPSP (Progressive All-student Syndicalist Platform) was the student platform of KKE (m-l). -- Magioladitis 17:03, 24 September 2007 (UTC)
 * This just gets more and more interesting. Generally the pro-albanian parties emerged out of splits of the maoist parties around 1978-1980. This was apparently not the case in Greece. Was there no pro-Albania group in Greece prior to 1982? PPSP was the front of the maoist KKE(m-l) or Sofianos' KKE(m-l)? How was the relation between OKMLE and Albania? Did OKMLE have radio broadcasts from Albania? (like the spanish PCE(m-l) used to have). --Soman 19:19, 24 September 2007 (UTC)
 * There was no pro-Albania groups in Greece prior to 1982. The majority of the DSE guerilas who were font of Zachariades and later following the Party of Labour remained in the socialist countries. I am not sure of the exact relation between OKMLE and Albania. Their newspaper printed radio broadcasts and brochures were also published. They didn't have a radio station. In the blog there are at least two brochures with radio broadcasts. PSPS was the front of the maoist KKE(m-l) (that succeeded OMLE). The first KKE(m-l), consisted of communists in the SSR and leaded by P. Daniilidis, was united in 60s with the group of communists around the magazine "Anagenissi", leaded by G. Hotzeas and I. Iordanidis, in Greece to create OMLE. They later, after Mao's death split in KKE(m-l) and M-LKKE.

Btw, here and here there are two articles about the Tashkent events in English. -- Magioladitis 20:17, 24 September 2007 (UTC)

Looking for your advice on Wikipedia:WikiProject Red Link Recovery/Capitalisation
Hi, I saw on Wikipedia:WikiProject Red Link Recovery/Capitalisation/2 that you cleared a bunch of the fixed wikilinks. Should I be doing this while I fix things on Red Links page 3 ? I'm new to the red link recovery project. -- Guroadrunner 23:39, 24 September 2007 (UTC)

Hi. I noticed your contributions to WikiProject Red Link Recovery. Please read the instructions carefully. If you handled a case and corrected the link then delete the entry, not just strike it. Keep up the good work. Friendly, Magioladitis 11:59, 24 September 2007 (UTC)

Hi again. While working on Red Link/3 do the following:

When you correct a suggestion, or the red link doesn't exist at the page then delete the entry of the red link/3. (not just strike it).

Strike only cases you can't handle and the suggestion is not correct. We need the exceptions only for not including them at the next time the list is generated.

You don't have to type "no" everytime. "xxxx vs yyyy" would do the job (since the repaired entries are deleted).

Take care with entries with special characters. due to a problem of the generated list some entries appear as red links but there are not. Better don't touch these links or do a further research to fix them.

Your contributions are really helpful. If you follow above suggestions I think we'll cooperate perfectly to finish this project. Friendly, Magioladitis 09:05, 25 September 2007 (UTC)


 * I wanted to drop a friendly note that http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Red_Link_Recovery/Capitalisation/5 is complete. I think I did exactly what you do when a section is done, but if you want to check it over, feel free. Guroadrunner 09:45, 3 October 2007 (UTC)


 * You did fine in the last section. Well done! With your help we are really speeding now! -- Magioladitis 11:08, 3 October 2007 (UTC)

Projected seats
Thanks for updating the election article. Just a question. Is the projected seats distribution your own math or you take it from elsewhere? We can't have the former and the latter needs a source. Thanks, --Irpen 18:58, 1 October 2007 (UTC)
 * I am not the one who put them in the article. I did a small research in the net for that and I didn't find something. I was about to ask for citation. -- Magioladitis 19:02, 1 October 2007 (UTC)

Austrlaian films
Hi see WikiPorject Films discussion and the notice at the top of the Category:Australian films. Splitting films by genre for each country is highly confusing. Category:American films remains intact and so should every country especially Australia -this is a WikiProject Films convention and Australia shouldbn;t be any different. The categories are currently all up for cfd The Wild West guy 14:02, 7 October 2007 (UTC)

Categorizing films as AUstralian films. Australian comedy films, Comedy films etc is over categorization and makes finding the films in the A-Z of Australian films very difficult. Often many categories overlap some films are both drama and comedy and it duplicates and confuses our filing system. There are only about 250 films from Australia currently on wikipedia that is only one page and a half. Its not as if we have twenty pages in this categoryThe Wild West guy 14:06, 7 October 2007 (UTC)

Well what shouldn't have been done was moving films out of Category:Australian films to begin with. This is a very important category that they are filed A-Z -all of them. There was a clear message not to do this per standard for each country -film categories should be kept as simplfied as possible. The Wild West guy 14:10, 7 October 2007 (UTC)

Please take this to one central talk location at the australian project noticeboard - otherwise the issue will not get adequately sorted out SatuSuro 14:13, 7 October 2007 (UTC)

Please take any further comments to Australian Wikipedians' notice board - individual talk pages are not relevant to a project wide issue like this SatuSuro 14:16, 7 October 2007 (UTC)

Minister for/Ministry of
Hi,

As an English speaker, I believe the correct usage is Minister for .../Ministry of .... For consistency's sake on Wikipedia, I'd ask you to revert your recent move of Minister of National Education and Religious Affairs (Greece). As the logo of the Ministry makes clear, in English it is the "Ministry of". For some reason, I cannot access the site to see how the minister is referred to.

And just because a Greek establishment writes its title a particular way in English does not automatically mean that this is correct. Mistakes and bad English are very common here.

I also disagree with your abbreviating of the party names in the lists of ministers. Outside readers do not automatically know what ND, PASOK, etc., means. Abbreviating them achieves very little in my view. --Damac 20:46, 7 October 2007 (UTC)


 * If you look at Category:Lists of government ministers of the United Kingdom, you'll notice that most of the present-day Secretaries of State (=Minister) are Secretaries of State for ... The same applies for the articles in Category:Irish Government. So, that seems to be how English speakers in the European Union do things. I remember looking this up and weighing up all the options when I started most of those Minister for ... articles for Greece.--Damac 21:11, 7 October 2007 (UTC)

Richard Kalvar
This is a friendly reminder to be sure, when proposing an article for deletion using prod to include a reason in the tag, by adding. Also, please make sure the reason you give is explicit about your concern regarding the article. Thanks! Steve block Talk 22:14, 9 October 2007 (UTC)

Greek MPs sortable table
Excellent work, Magioladitis! Well done

Any idea how we can get the names to sort alphabetically? Do we need do change them to "Surname, Name" format? We can use a pipe link for those MPs with articles.--Damac 18:59, 16 October 2007 (UTC)


 * Just had a look around. This is how its done for a list of British Labour MPs.--Damac 19:08, 16 October 2007 (UTC)


 * I think having two columns, one with Name and one with Last name/First name look good. You can do it like that. The columns "entered for the first time" and the next one I think they are not needed. Let's go and make and "Last/name" column! Btw, I think the color in the LAOS rows is a little bit dark and the name is not so clear for someone to see. -- Magioladitis 20:03, 16 October 2007 (UTC)

Use of AWB
Hi, Sorry if you think I'm being pedantic but I think you should read WP:AWB before making edits like this one. Regards King of the  North East (T/C) 19:38, 21 October 2007 (UTC)

Continuation of RedLink Capitalisation project
It looks like we have a lot of people helping complete list at Wikipedia:WikiProject Red Link Recovery/Capitalisation now, which is great.

Do you know if it is possible to do another database dump list to continue the project from a more recent dump (we are working from redlinks found in May). Something like Wikipedia:WikiProject Red Link Recovery/Capitalisation II ?

Users Aspects, CultureDrone, Ohthelameness, Florrie, and CheMechanical all deserve praise, among others.

Message CC: User:topbanana at this message, because he/she set up the lists.

Cheers, -- Guroadrunner 09:50, 30 October 2007 (UTC)


 * We can just recreate the list when we finish with the current dump. -- Magioladitis 13:52, 30 October 2007 (UTC)


 * Sounds great! Guroadrunner 00:20, 31 October 2007 (UTC)

Close a debate
Thanks. -- RG2 11:47, 30 October 2007 (UTC)

Earl
Are you asking for help creating the season articles? Right now I'm swamped with school, work, and some other articles on Wikipedia I'm trying to clean up. The best I can do at the moment is show you the season articles I worked on, and tell you to copy that format--if you like it. Smallville (season 1) is the most developed season article on Wikipedia, but I don't think Earl has that much information. So, Smallville (season 2), and any season after this, can show you what to do for limited information articles. If you have a lot of trivia from the episodes, just create a "trivia" section to dump it all in until you can work in into legitimate sections. If you don't want an article, then I suggest looking at Lost (season 1) (and the seasons that follow that). Those pages are technically "list" pages, and not "articles". From what I can tell, all of those season lists are featured lists. Just go on My Name is Earl (season 1) and copy whatever page you like the best--but remove everything except the coding, because you wouldn't be able to use Lost or Smallville information. If you are worried about creating it, you could start at User:Magioladitis/sandbox, and work on the pages there. This way, when you are comfortable with what you have you can move it over to the mainspace. Whatever you choose I'll keep an eye out to help whenever there is a snag--or you could message me if you have a question--I just don't have the time necessary to create a completely new page at the moment.  BIGNOLE     (Contact me)  14:33, 31 October 2007 (UTC)
 * It's up to you. You could technically write an article where you summarized each episode into one coherent plot section, or you could do like I did with Smallville and use the general table from the LOE page and put the synopses there. My reasoning for doing it that way over the other was because of all the different writers/directors/airdates/titles for each episode, it just seemed liked the most logical organization to me. But, you may find a better one. There is nothing set in stone, as the Smallville season pages are probably the first of their kind to be organized in that manner. Whatever works best.   BIGNOLE     (Contact me)  16:52, 31 October 2007 (UTC)

OK Mags
OK Mag. fair enough, just want to keep this article on the up and up. This page has to be fair & unbalanced, & I'm tried of these left wing nutts who hate G.W. Bush & want to slamm this war at the expense of coalition military lives. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.118.37.151 (talk) 05:36, 3 December 2007 (UTC)

Thanks!
Thank you for your barnstar! :-)

Guroadrunner (talk) 06:54, 9 December 2007 (UTC)

Heroes merging
Greetings. Just wondering if I could ask you a quick question. Is their a particular reason you want to merge all the supporting/recurring character articles in the Heroes article? You just seem so passionate about it, I was wondering what your thought process was. I was under the impression that at Wikipedia, users could start articles on whatever things they felt were important. I am not mad or anythng, so I hope my tone doesnt sound that way. I am just curious. Does wikipedia have to preserve the amount of articles it has or something. I just feel like it doesnt hurt anyone for the articles to stay...what the harm in having them? If someone is looking up Eden or Molly for example, maybe they do want to know more detail than 10 lines can emcompass...you know? But, anyway, I am just asking because I am not goingt o argue the merges anymore, seeing as to how I am fighting a loosing battle...lol...but I am just curious so in the future when merging comes up again, I can make a better arguement based on wikipedia policy. Thanks for your reply...BIG TEETH SMILE.--Chrisisinchrist (talk) 23:02, 9 December 2007 (UTC)


 * Hi!! It's really cool because i just wanted to write you something because I felt very bad with the whole situation. I certainly don't have anything against you or Heroes TV series. I am a great fun of it. Moreover, if you check my contributions in Talk:List of My Name Is Earl episodes i tried to save My name is Earl episodes with no success.


 * Two things really bother me: The low quality of the articles and that some people create articles exactly after a character's first appearance. My logic is the following: In the beginning we have some information about a character. We add it in the main article. After that the information becomes more and we have feedback from media sources. Then, we proceed to an independent article.


 * I took me a while to understand why we can't say "Alejandro WAS a fictional character" or the policy of WP:FICTION but now I agree with it.


 * I was not planning to merge articles immediately. This is not something I did. In many case months pass after an article is tagged to me merged and usually this helps people to be motivated to improve it. Check the Talk page of Ted Sprague. Someone anonymous requested time to improve the article. I didn't touch it for 2 weeks and I wasn't planning to touch it for more time if it was necessary. Afterall, we have life outside wikipedia as well.


 * I wish I had access to US media and help you improve the Molly Walker article. I ll try something but check my contributions I am really doing many things for Wikipedia.


 * Really friendly, Magioladitis (talk) 23:16, 9 December 2007 (UTC)


 * I hope I don't disappoint you to continue contribution to the articles about Heroes. Your's small addition in Molly's article today really helps in to the improvement of its quality. An idea is that you can keep expanding the summaries for the characters in the main article and collecting some information in your Sandbox or something and then re-create article that have been merged. :)


 * PS Btw, your contributions to The Company (Heroes) are great. -- Magioladitis (talk) 23:26, 9 December 2007 (UTC)


 * Check Nikki and Paulo article from Lost. This article was so good that took a star. It's considered now as a model article. I don't expect this level but gives the idea of the structure. Magioladitis (talk) 23:29, 9 December 2007 (UTC)


 * Thanks for clearing things up. I fully understand the merging and I respect what is being done.  I guess the good thing is, as the series grow, there is still a slim possibility that some of these minor characters will be reintroduced and their articles can be expanded.  Hopefully we can get more real world content for their sections to make them more notable.  Thanks.  I did have a question.  Are you an editor?  If so, I really need some honest tips of how to improve the Company page on heroes. I hate the tag that is on their, but i understand why the article was tag.  I just dont know how to go about improving the article so that it is less in universe.  I think it is too detailed for Wikipedia.  Any suggestions on what I can do?--Chrisisinchrist (talk) 23:37, 9 December 2007 (UTC)


 * Heroes is a funny series. The plot is distributed in to many characters. I think this is the main reason it's difficult to have good article for some secondary characters. Many people contribute so little. I still can understand why DL or Simone who were supposed to be main characters appeared so little. I think we are not indenting to re-introduce old characters but keep introducing new characters all the time.


 * In order to get rid of the in-universe tag try using expressions like "According to the plot" or "In episode the audience is introduced with one more member of the Company", etc. Moreover the "Status" column in the two tables is not correct according to the guideline. Try adding "As of season 2" or remove the columns and just keep them in the talk page as I did to the tables from the List of Heroes characters. -- Magioladitis (talk) 00:11, 10 December 2007 (UTC)


 * Thanks for the tips and the advice. I did a little work on the page today.  I see you also made a great add.  I am going to research the Company and see what kind of real world things I can find from Tim Kring and the producers about the production and concept history of the Company to better the article and take it out of universe.  thanks for the help and advice.  and thanks for clearing things up about the merging.  i wont fight you about it anymore...laugh out loud...okay...see you on the editing boards soon!!--Chrisisinchrist (talk) 03:10, 10 December 2007 (UTC)


 * One more tip: I think the Company article needs a paragraph, after the leading one, telling tha the Company plays an important role to the Heroes' plot because the story is around it, most of the characters are connected with the company, its a very important element of the series, blah, blah. Something like this. See you on the boards. -- Magioladitis (talk) 09:39, 10 December 2007 (UTC)

I dont know if this is where you put barnstars, but this is for you

Arco
It seems to be a federation of parties, rather than a new party. See it:La Sinistra - L'Arcobaleno. Don't know very much more myself. --Soman (talk) 12:51, 12 December 2007 (UTC)

Aviation accidents and incidents in Iraq War
Hi. I can sort out all helicopters, but then of course will need your help and your suggestions. After completing the list, I can post it in your sandbox (if you don’t mind) or in mine (I work in Russian Wikipedia, will give you a link). What do you think? 195.248.189.182 (talk) 14:40, 13 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Use mine. No problem. Delete all the content that there is there. User:Magioladitis/Sandbox. -- Magioladitis (talk) 14:48, 13 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Beta version is completed. I’ve added many serials, details of incidents, unit numbers and several new losses.
 * First of all, it should be checked for typos, grammar mistakes, style, wikification etc. I’ve changed many parts, so could be mistakes.
 * Second, this version meant just to show what I did find. Sections must be merged in some way and section names changed (I didn’t think about it yet). In the beginning of every section, it’s my own commentary to make things clear, it must be replaced with something more meaningful :).
 * I don’t know what to do with disputable cases, but we should do something.
 * I didn’t put sources for many obvious cases, but can do it if they are needed. Also I can try to find additional info on some individual aircraft.
 * And you can write here, I'm watching your talk page. 195.248.189.182 (talk) 21:41, 13 December 2007 (UTC)


 * First of all I'll announce the reordering to the talk page of the article. Then, we can check very detailed all the cases year by year. You did a wonderful job. I am doing many edits every day and I participate in many projects so it was difficult for me to do something like this! I'll check and correct any links that have problems. I hope that more users are helping. -- Magioladitis (talk) 21:50, 13 December 2007 (UTC)

Hi again. Sorry, I was busy these days and for some reason didn’t noticed your post on my talk page. I think you should post new version which is in your sandbox (though “Aircraft Shot Down” sections doesn't looks good and probably must be upgraded or put on talk page until someone could rewrite it). And then… we’ll see. Maybe I’ll make some minor updates. Anyway, thank you for the work you've done. 195.248.189.182 (talk) 10:16, 19 January 2008 (UTC)

Molly Walker
Thanks. When I heard the podcast, I was sooooo excited because I knew I finally had some good stuff to add to Molly's article. I am going to keep researching so I can continue to improve it.--Chrisisinchrist (talk) 16:58, 15 December 2007 (UTC)

Admin
I've seen in your User page you would like to be administrator, I've checked your contributions and I think you deserve it. Many cleaning stuff, lots of contributions and no dispute with any other user. Would you refuse my invitation if I propose you as a candidate? Cheers, --Xtv - (my talk) - (que dius que què?) 05:07, 17 December 2007 (UTC)
 * It would be my honor if you nominate me. :) -- Magioladitis (talk) 11:09, 17 December 2007 (UTC)

 Xtv would like to nominate you to become an administrator. Please visit Requests for adminship to see what this process entails, and then contact Xtv to accept or decline the nomination. A page has been created for your nomination at Requests for adminship/. If you accept the nomination, you must formally state and sign your acceptance and answer the questions on that page. Once you have answered the questions, you may post your nomination for discussion, or request that your nominator do so.

I thought I still had some time before the RfA was going to close. I was probably going to vote "support". I guess I missed my chance. --Coppertwig (talk) 02:46, 25 December 2007 (UTC)

Comment at AFD
What Family Guy fan-sites have you been visiting? :-p Brad (talk) 13:42, 19 December 2007 (UTC)

Your NPWatcher application
Dear Magioladitis,

Thank you for applying for NPWatcher! You've been approved to use it. Before you run the program, please check the changelog on the application page to see if there is a newer release (or just add the main page (here) to your watchlist). Report any bugs or feature suggestion here. If you need help, feel free to contact me or join NPWatcher.

Qst 14:03, 21 December 2007 (UTC)

Shot down vs Crash landing
You should separate the shoot downs vs. loss due to mechanical failure. in the New "Coalition aircraft loss in Iraq". I have the Shoot downs already listed, check out your sandbox last sectionANigg (talk) 23:18, 21 December 2007 (UTC)

rfa
sure, no problem. sorry, though, that you didn't make it. Get some more experience with the speedies, and in a few months you'll be a shoo-in. best, -- brew crewer  (yada, yada) 23:46, 27 December 2007 (UTC)

Re. to post on my talk page
Your quite welcome. I think you're a great editor and if you keep up the good work, I'm sure your next RfA will be successful. :) Maser  ( Talk! ) 02:03, 28 December 2007 (UTC)

2008
Can't be, Cyprus is only two hours ahead of UTC, I am one hour ahead. Here it is 22:54. Ergo, it is not yet midnight in Cyprus. Or is Cyprus still using summer time?- J Logan t: 21:55, 31 December 2007 (UTC)

CSD R3
I've declined the speedy tag you placed on "It's Great to Be Back". The reason is:
 * Not recently created, as required by CSD R3

For your information, עוד מישהו Od Mishehu 12:58, 2 January 2008 (UTC)


 * The misnomer part of R3 also requires the redirect to be recently created. עוד מישהו Od Mishehu 13:05, 2 January 2008 (UTC)

I moved your comment back to the main csd talk page. The other one was completely inactive since 2006, it just never got marked as historical. &mdash; Carl (CBM · talk) 13:59, 2 January 2008 (UTC)

You're right about the search box; there remains the possibility of in-text citation somewhere. In general, redirects that are not 'manifestly inaccurate or confusing are not speediable. Other admins may have been letting these slip through (because, really, redirects are hard to care about), but this minor little things are more benefit to the encyclopedia than they are harm to it.

I appreciate the work you've done, but -- since redirects are cheap -- I'd really suggest you devote your energy to something else. I'll stop de-tagging these, however, and you'll probably be lucky enough to get someone who will delete them for you! Best wishes, Xoloz (talk) 16:22, 4 January 2008 (UTC)

Be advised that CSD R3 is for "recently-created redirect page"s. Redirects from 2004 don't apply. Brianga (talk) 12:16, 5 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Honestly, I don't even think those are recent enough. I'll leave them for another admin to decide.  Brianga (talk) 12:48, 5 January 2008 (UTC)

I noticed that you have nominated a lot of articles for speedy deletion per WP:CSD, "Recently created redirects from implausible typos or misnomers". As the criterion indicates, these redirects have to be created recently. Some of the redirects you nominated were created back in 2003 or 2004. Redirects this old are not covered by R3, they need to go through RFD. A ecis Brievenbus 01:58, 20 January 2008 (UTC)
 * I note that since this message, you have nominated two more old redirects for speedy deletion under R3, "Everyone's entitled to their opinion" from 2007 and 'Reddest Red' from 2006. Redirects this old do not fall under the "recently-created" clause of the speedy deletion criterion. Such redirects need to go through RFD. You're doing an excellent job clearing Wikipedia of unnecessary redirects, but please keep this in mind. A  ecis Brievenbus 16:11, 20 January 2008 (UTC)

Greece earthquake
Hello! I see you edited the magnitude of this event from 6.1 to 6.5 using news agencies as your reference. I think 6.5 was in fact the preliminary (early stages) magnitude that was given, because the Greece Geodynamic Institute (the source of many of the news agencies) is now quoting 6.1 (http://www.gein.noa.gr/services/recent-earth.html) along with the USGS. The EMSC also quotes 6.2.

(I posted this here because things like this can potentially start an edit war) RapidR (talk) 14:05, 6 January 2008 (UTC)

Re:About AWB and reflist
Yeah.. Just had a look at it, the regex doesnt even match the outer bits of  to Talk:Alma Wheeler Smith. I removed the category from the talk page and added it to the article page, Alma Wheeler Smith. I hope this is okay. --Eastmain (talk) 02:12, 17 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Sorry, my mistake. I see that the   is intended for talk pages, not article pages. I restored the category to Talk:Alma Wheeler Smith  --Eastmain (talk) 02:31, 17 July 2008 (UTC)

Indonesian articles
There was tagging about 12 hours go which claimed no birth date when there were - any problem with the bt? SatuSuro 09:26, 17 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Heheheh - thats fine - there are some eccentric styles not usually WP MOS in some of the arts - thats probably the problem - I will get around to checking later - my watch list is too big - thanks for replying ! SatuSuro 00:27, 18 July 2008 (UTC)

Removal of cat
Hi, can you tell me why you made this edit? It wasn't currect, and I hope you are not doing that to other articles as well. Badagnani (talk) 20:13, 22 July 2008 (UTC)

Hi, you seem to have done the same in this edit. Can you please stop and reverse these mistaken edits? Badagnani (talk) 20:14, 22 July 2008 (UTC)

Hello, would you please address this issue rather than continuing with your bot run? Thank you, Badagnani (talk) 20:16, 22 July 2008 (UTC)

Hi, you've just done it twice more, rather than address this problem here:

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Manuel_Vega&diff=prev&oldid=227270453

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Ramon_Te_Wake&diff=prev&oldid=227270495

Would you please stop and address this issue, and reverse your mistaken edits? Many thanks for this, Badagnani (talk) 20:18, 22 July 2008 (UTC)

Hello, would you please address this issue instead of continuing with your bot run? You have just removed several "Date of birth missing" categories, that were correct. In those cases, the date of birth was indeed unknown (we had only the year). The "Date of birth missing" cat (which is different from a "Year of birth missing" cat) should remain. Badagnani (talk) 20:21, 22 July 2008 (UTC)

You also removed the cat from articles where the individual's year of birth and date of birth were missing, and the lead said, "born ca. 1970." That was wrong and please do not do it. You also removed the category "Date of birth missing" from individuals who unquestionably are public figures, such as John Yoo. That was equally wrong. In both cases, it's clear that the automated manner of doing this allowed you to make incorrect removals. Please now go back and undo the mistaken edits you made. Badagnani (talk) 20:30, 22 July 2008 (UTC)

Please stop
Please stop. You just removed the "Date of birth missing" category from an article of someone whose date of birth is missing. . Please stop. Badagnani (talk) 20:32, 22 July 2008 (UTC)

Please stop. You are not helping by simply removing a cat, and not replacing it with a proper cat, in the proper place. It is destructive and I ask you to please stop. Badagnani (talk) 20:34, 22 July 2008 (UTC)


 * I second Badagnani's request. The program that you are running is leaving misinformation on many pages. Look at this page Murray Melvin. We know what year he was born. We don't know what date he was born. These categories are for people to be able to tell what information is missing and the year of birth is NOT missing for this person. You probably need to go back and reverse all that this bot has done. Your help in this will be appreciated. MarnetteD | Talk 20:52, 23 July 2008 (UTC)


 * Just because date of birth can go on to talk pages (and this wasn't always the case) doesn't meant that year of birth should go on a page where the year of birth already exists. Also just because a task is approved doesn't mean that it is doing the correct your bot was leaving incorrect information on pages. You might want to make yourself aware of what happened to betacommandbot whose tasks were also "approved". You did not think through all of the ramifications of this program that you ran. That kind of thing happens. As long as you fix the mistakes then you can learn from this and move on. Happy editing. MarnetteD | Talk 21:45, 23 July 2008 (UTC)


 * You are still putting the year of birth missing category on pages where the year of birth is NOT missing. See Peter Howell (actor) and the above mentioned Murray Melsin for examples. Please stop this. MarnetteD | Talk 21:49, 23 July 2008 (UTC)

Robert Russell (English actor)
Yobot replaced the "Date of birth missing" with "Year of birth missing" in the article page. The year of birth is not missing, the date of birth is. I removed "Year of birth missing" and added "Date of birth missing" to the talk page which is where it belongs. I think the bot may be making other similar errors. Please look into this. Regards, Leofric1 (talk) 20:54, 23 July 2008 (UTC)

Re:Date of birth missing (2nd warning)
I do not recall doing this. Please remind me. --I'm an Editorofthewiki[citation needed] 21:01, 23 July 2008 (UTC)

Date of birth missing on talk page
Thanks for letting me know - I hadn't seen anything to the effect that this policy had changed. When creating the Art Drysdale page I simply looked for all existing categories and put the article into all that applied. My recent edit was due to an edit (by a Bot, I think) which seems to be replacing "Date of Birth Missing" with "Year of Birth Missing," which I instinctively saw as wrong given that the year is right there in the article. Given that there are probably hundreds if not thousands of biography articles done in a similar way, I imagine there must now several hours of editing that needs to be done to fix this. Wencer (talk) 15:23, 24 July 2008 (UTC)

Badagnani
A user you have recent interaction with is the subject of an ANI discussion here. Please feel free to comment. --Jeremy ( Blah blah... ) 19:34, 29 July 2008 (UTC)

Date of birth missing (living people)
Thanks for the correction. Ten Pound Hammer and his otters • (Broken clamshells• Otter chirps • HELP!) 20:38, 31 July 2008 (UTC)

See Wikipedia:Bug reports and feature requests
In response to your question (permanent link), see Bug reports and feature requests. --Teratornis (talk) 04:04, 20 August 2008 (UTC)

A few 'bad' tags
I came across a few of Yobot's tags today that didn't look kosher. Letting you know in case it turns out to be a symptom of a problem.
 * Del Martin and Phyllis Lyon - the 'living' parameter in the WPBIO tag was changed to 'no', but this article is about multiple people. I corrected it.
 * Northern Illinois University shooting - not sure why this got tagged with WPBIO at all, but it's about multiple people, many of whom are still living, so the living=no parameter was incorrect. I corrected the parameter, but didn't remove the tag.
 * 2008 stabbings at Beijing Drum Tower - not sure why this was tagged WPBIO either, but living=no was inappropriate as several named victims are still alive. Someone else removed the tag entirely.


 * I replied. -- Magioladitis (talk) 19:32, 12 September 2008 (UTC)

Yobot
What's the deal with this edit? It's most certainly supported in the article that the character is female and has brown hair (there's a photo, even). Maybe that feature needs to be struck from the bot, this reversion was unhelpful. -- AvatarMN (talk) 06:30, 10 October 2008 (UTC)

Yobot & "fictional characters"
It is making numerous changes that directly contract WikiProject Comics editorial guidelines and exemplars. --Tenebrae (talk) 20:45, 11 October 2008 (UTC)


 * Each project has subheads specific to the needs and most accurate fits of its content. WikiProject Comics editorial guidelines, derived through consensus after months of effort, use "Fictional character biography."


 * Please do not make unilateral changes without even any discussion with the Project members. --Tenebrae (talk) 20:52, 11 October 2008 (UTC)


 * Please see WikiProject Comics/exemplars.


 * I understand your wish for uniformity and consistency. However, there is no "one-size-fits-all," which is why all the various Projects exist. --Tenebrae (talk) 20:55, 11 October 2008 (UTC)


 * S'okay &mdash; as I said, I empathize with the desire for stylebook standards. Bots are often a bit of a blunt tool, and a scalpel approach is sometimes needed.


 * Ok. I am sorry for that. I added that in the last moment to avoid unwanted addition of a link there from by bot, which originally adds links to fictional character, the first time encountered in the article. There is one more problem: I have a spelling error! "backgound" instead of "background". I am so sorry about that. -- Magioladitis (talk) 20:57, 11 October 2008 (UTC)


 * Is there any you might be able to help me revert these changes in the WikiProject Comics entries? I'm working on them one by one, manually, and I'm still in the Bs. Thanks for any help.--Tenebrae (talk) 21:00, 11 October 2008 (UTC)


 * I 'll make my bot do the reverse change. The spelling error will help afterall. (Easier to find the wrong string) There is a small question for how to obtain the list but I 'm working for it. My apologies again. -- Magioladitis (talk) 21:02, 11 October 2008 (UTC)


 * Well, there's a list here, if that helps.
 * Thanks very much for your care and understanding! --Tenebrae (talk) 21:04, 11 October 2008 (UTC)


 * Bot started running. Let's wait for the first results. -- Magioladitis (talk) 21:13, 11 October 2008 (UTC)


 * What I saw looked good. Thanks again for all your congeniality and effort. And I must say, I'm impressed with your having created what, with some tweaking, seems like it could be a very, very useful bot. Best of luck on your future Wiki endeavors! --Tenebrae (talk) 04:30, 12 October 2008 (UTC)

4 questions... - J Greb (talk) 20:51, 11 October 2008 (UTC)
 * 1) What exactly is the 'bot's change of "Fictional character biography" to "Character's backgound" based on? Could you also have the 'bot provide a link in it's edit summary to the discussion or guide line section?
 * 2) That in so ding the 'bot is inserting a spelling error on every article it edits since it leaving the "r" out of "background"?
 * 3) Is the 'bot supposed to be creating links out of nothing? See here where the bot found "fictional character" in the text and decided to create a link.
 * 4) Are you aware that the above situation is breaking links? See here where the 'bot decided to create a link out of "fictional character" even though the phrase was in the middle of a longer link call.

Magioladitis, I'm looking at this, and I don't even see approval for the change you were making. Am I missing something? Please respond on this page.--Rockfang (talk) 21:13, 11 October 2008 (UTC)

It was a mistake of the moment. I encountered some articles having "Fictional character biography" and I tried to prevent my bot from linking it. It was a mistake over another mistake (I didn't find my original settings file for adding links to fictional character). The bot is reversing the edits right now. I did between 200-300 edits. I am so sorry about that. Check discussion above as well. -- Magioladitis (talk) 21:16, 11 October 2008 (UTC)

Mission accomplished. All wrong edits were reverted. -- Magioladitis (talk) 22:18, 11 October 2008 (UTC)

You missed this one and this one. Please check what other categories were affected. - Fayenatic (talk) 07:52, 12 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Category destruction

Re: Bo Sanchez
You have my most sincere apologies. I was simply quite confused. My misunderstanding, my mistake, my apologies. Cliff smith talk  04:04, 19 October 2008 (UTC)

YOB instead of DOB. Check instructions
Yup, I know the difference, and if I tagged an article incorrectly, it would have been an inadvert mistake. Just let me know if there are any articles you'd like me to fix. --Rosiestep (talk) 01:52, 21 November 2008 (UTC)

Yobot task 10
Shouldn't BD just be redirected, rather than substituted? — Arthur Rubin (talk) 19:18, 20 November 2008 (UTC)

Hi. I just noticed your message. Well, since we are doing the job I think completely substituting BD has many advantages. Probably, you have in mind the discussion about Lifetime. By having the categories fixed we skip the problem that the categories have to be rendered each time by the server, it's easier for newbies and bots to detect categories, etc. The last discussion didn't reach a consensus for Lifetime but it was a good motive for us to get rid of BD (because it's name doesn't show that it uses defaultsort) and add the substitution function for Lifetime. Friendly, Magioladitis (talk) 20:10, 20 November 2008 (UTC)


 * Or replaced by Lifetime? Could you please stop this bot until we have established consensus about this?  Sandstein   21:54, 20 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Hi. There is no consensus to have Lifetime or YOB/YOD categories. The only consensus is that BD should not exist. Since BD has to go, can go either way. Am I wrong? Right now there are far more articles without Lifetime. If we decide to add it everywhere, 20,000 articles won't change anything. -- Magioladitis (talk) 22:10, 20 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Comment: I am not substituting Lifetime or BIRTH-DEATH-SORT. Only BD. -- Magioladitis (talk) 22:16, 20 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Could you please point me to the discussion where consensus was established to remove BD by bot in all articles instead of just redirecting it to Lifetime, and to the bot task request for this? I am concerned that your bot is making thousands of automated edits without consensus, and will block it if necessary until that is made clear. Thanks,  Sandstein   06:28, 21 November 2008 (UTC)
 * You can check Bots/Requests for approval/Yobot 3. I have this link already in th bot's page along with a short explanation. As I said I am not substituting Lifetime nor BIRTH-DEATH-SORT. I am not doing anything against consensus. You can also check the discussion in Templates for deletion/Log/2008 May 22 and there is no consensus to change everything into Lifetime. I don't understand what the problem exactly is. -- Magioladitis (talk) 08:35, 21 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Thank you. Please stop substituting BD and change it to Lifetime instead. The TfD discussion that you linked to resulted in a "keep" for Lifetime. This indicates that people do want a template of this sort. They just don't want it called "BD" (although you haven't yet told me where that consensus was reached). The bot request was imprecise in this regard, allowing for either replacement or substitution, and at any rate bot approval does not replace consensus. Thanks,  Sandstein   16:16, 21 November 2008 (UTC)
 * I agree with Sandstein on this one, what the bot is doing now is really quite annoying. Manxruler (talk) 17:46, 21 November 2008 (UTC)
 * If you read the discussion carefully, you will see that "keep" just meant "not delete". Adding Lifetime where yob/yod categories already exist is considered nonconstructive. Moreover, this discussion resulted to the addition of a subst option to Lifetime. Finally, if you check the discussion for the bot, the talk page of lifetime there were many suggestions that the use of defaulsort within the template must be obvious to the editors. I did many actions for that. There are many examples of people keep adding defaultsort even if it's used in BD. I informed in the template of Lifetime what I want to do with BD and there was no problem with that. Finally, as I said since BD has to go, it can go either way. If you want to start replacing BD with Lifetime is ok to me. using my bot it's easier to substitute and I find many advantages in doing this. -- Magioladitis (talk) 17:52, 21 November 2008 (UTC)

re:Noncontructive editing
Hi. This edit of your is considered as nonconstructive. Please read discussion in Template talk:Lifetime. -- Magioladitis (talk) 17:56, 21 November 2008 (UTC)


 * This edit is ok to me. The other is not. -- Magioladitis (talk) 17:57, 21 November 2008 (UTC)

You're going to have to explain that one for me. I don't really understand, after looking at the link you provided. Those pretty harsh words should be better explained. Manxruler (talk) 18:03, 21 November 2008 (UTC)


 * If I understood your above statements and your statements on my talk page correctly "Lifetime" is ok, but "DEFAULTSORT", once put in place, is untouchable? Manxruler (talk) 18:12, 21 November 2008 (UTC)

Hi. Sorry, if you felt I used hard language. Replacing 2 categories and defaultsort with lifetime makes no good. There is no difference in the result. Sorry, but I am busy right now. I'll add you details soon. Have a nice day/evening. Magioladitis (talk) 18:28, 21 November 2008 (UTC)


 * Thank you. Have a nice evening you as well. Manxruler (talk) 18:32, 21 November 2008 (UTC)

Hi again. I now have some more time for an answer, yesterday I was really busy. Take a look at Templates for deletion/Log/2008 May 22. I suggested many times that a consensus is reached in one important thing: To choose between Lifetime and DEFAULTSORT+categories and make a suggestion to editors what is the preferable method. I think the closure was a bit hasty and non enlightening. Reading the discussion it was clear that many people find Lifetime useful and use it. It was clear also that something has to be done with DEFAULTSORT. Probably go outside the template. Moreover, since there is no consensus for a preferable method, to go and substitute everything with one method against the other is something nonconstructive, it will make no difference what people see on the screen. It's like something runs AWB just to move stubs to the bottom of an article. Finally, I informed about my actions and thoughts in Template talk:Lifetime. I have made comments about everything concerning this template, warned about possible issues. You can participate in there to help us.

Replacing BD with Lifetime is ok to me. for the moment at least. The important thing right now is to get rid of BD and handle Lifetime later. So, edits for replace BD are constructive. I find it is easier with my bot to substitute it and I also prefer defaultsort from lifetime but I won't touch Lifetime until a consensus is reached. I ensure you that if people decide that everything has to be converted in Lifetime I 'll run a bot to help in this. I hope my answer covers you. Friendly, Magioladitis (talk) 09:29, 22 November 2008 (UTC)


 * Sure. It covers the issue nicely. Thanks. Manxruler (talk) 09:39, 22 November 2008 (UTC)

Slight problem
Here. --Closedmouth (talk) 15:11, 22 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Thanks. Interesting. I reported two bugs myself in Wikipedia talk:AutoWikiBrowser/Bugs. I'll download the new AWB snapshot which is supposed to detect and warn about duplicated defaultsorts. These kind of problems enforce my opinion that Lifetime has to be removed completely. -- Magioladitis (talk) 15:14, 22 November 2008 (UTC)

Some more cases:, ,. -- Magioladitis (talk) 15:30, 22 November 2008 (UTC)
 * No problem. These dupes are directly caused by the lifetime's vagueness in use. How are people to know it enforces its own DEFAULTSORT? Silly and pointless template. --Closedmouth (talk) 15:39, 22 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Exactly! I keep reporting different kind of problems caused by the use of Lifetime and hopefully I'll bring the subject under discussion again soon. As step 1, we have to get rid of BD. Especially, shows that many editors may are using a template but don't really know how it works. -- Magioladitis (talk) 15:42, 22 November 2008 (UTC)
 * On the contrary, it is a very useful template: see below as to BD, which redirects to it. Peterkingiron (talk) 00:27, 23 November 2008 (UTC)

BD template
Why are you converting dozens of biographic articles from the BD template to Defaultsort + birth & death categories. This is totally unnecessary. Has some one decided that the BD template should be deleted? if so who? The BD template is convenient to use, and much more concise than the "full" alternative. It has been my practice (and that of other Biography article editors to change this TO the BD template when we find the other. Why are you undoing our work? Such a major change should not be made without VERY WIDE consultation, but nothing has been flagged up on the peerage project or the history related AFD page, both of which I watch.  Peterkingiron (talk) 18:01, 22 November 2008 (UTC)


 * Hi! Please allow me to say not dozens but thousands! But I have also two questions. Why you are deleting also the two blank lines which were left before the stubies? According to WP:Stub: "It is usually desirable to leave two blank lines between the first stub template and whatever precedes it." Also there is a sence to leave two blank lines before the navboxes this extra space was also for a reason - don't crowd navboxes into references. Kind regards Doma-w (talk) 20:52, 22 November 2008 (UTC)


 * About th lines before the stubs, I think you have to report it to WP:AWB. I am just using the general fixes of AWB. -- Magioladitis (talk) 22:37, 22 November 2008 (UTC)


 * Thanks for your answer. OK, I havn't know this. Kind regrads Doma-w (talk) 22:46, 22 November 2008 (UTC)

FYI, I believe that this marks the third personal attack on you. If they are not reverted, I think it should be reported.  D OUBLE  B LUE  (talk) 00:18, 23 November 2008 (UTC)
 * I wrote on the editor's talk page this. I am not planning to report anything even if I a little sad for being accused for vandalism and by messages like this and this. I think there is a big misunderstood and has to be resolved soon. Thanks for backing me up. I certainly couldn't do it alone this. It's already late here and I need some sleep. Have a nice day/evening. -- Magioladitis (talk) 00:25, 23 November 2008 (UTC)


 * Thanks for recent advice. I have removed an offensive sentence, but I would still suggest you consult widely before making major changes.  Peterkingiron (talk) 00:24, 23 November 2008 (UTC)


 * My steps were the following: I informed in the talk page of Lifetime that they are problems with BD, after some time I asked to be removed and I was adviced to create a bot. I applied for a bot and after a more than a month the bot was approved. I informed the talk page of Lifetime again. Many editors have seen it, including some of the people implementing AWB. Anyway, I am pretty sure that your problem is not BD itself but you want to keep Lifetime in articles, maybe if I was just renaming BD with Lifetime, you wouldn't have problem but I find many pros in completely substituting. Anyway, I hope we solve this by cooperating and calm discussion. Right now I am a bit tired, it's already late in here. Have a nice day/evening. Magioladitis (talk) 00:34, 23 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Not every one watches every page. I have not normally thought I needed to watch template pages and such like.  I suspect that applies to a lot of other writers/editors of biography.  I have seen a similar problem with editors deciding on talk pages immediately after an AFD discussion to take action contrary to the outcome of that discussion.  Talk pages provide a good forum for discussing content, but not wider implications of major changes.  That is why we have AFD, CFD, RFD, etc.  I did get angry last night, and expressed myslef more forcefully than I should have.  I must apologise for that.  Peterkingiron (talk) 14:18, 23 November 2008 (UTC)

BD Substitution Problem
Your bot continued to subst the BD template after it had been tagged for RFD. This means it put the RFD template and the redirect into the article. See example. Looking at Category:Redirects for deletion, I'm guess there are well over 100 of these cases. Can you please fix this mess? Thanks. -- JLaTondre (talk) 14:38, 23 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Thanks for telling. This is a result that yesterday I acted a bit hasty and I forgot to shut my bot down before going to RfD. I'll try to fix the mess asap. Friendly, Magioladitis (talk) 17:26, 23 November 2008 (UTC)

Year of birth missing vs Date of birth missing
Hi, I always try and use 'Year' but with the amount of articles I create I sometimes use 'Date' accidentally - force of habit! Regards, GiantSnowman 12:05, 24 November 2008 (UTC)

Your bot
please do not remove the blp tag, as happened with Matthew Shepherd, such an automated move is unhelpful as we need blp tagging to be visible for articles containing info about living people, as this one does due to mentioning his murderers, who are living and need blp consideration. Thanks, SqueakBox 20:59, 24 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Hi. I am not sure how "blp" works. I am just using the Kingbotk plugin of WP:AWB. Better report any bugs or disagreements in User talk:Kingbotk/Plugin. Thanks, Magioladitis (talk) 21:06, 24 November 2008 (UTC)

False positive for Yobot's task 9
Just so you know, I reverted this edit. The article is about a creative duo, one of whom is dead but the other is still living, so WP:BLP still applies. —Quasirandom (talk) 04:27, 25 November 2008 (UTC)

Louisa Maria Teresa Stuart
Thank you very much for reverting the change made by your bot Yobot, but I don't understand how or why it substituted #REDIRECT Template:Lifetime for , with the edit summary "substituting BD using AWB". Could you please explain? Xn4 ( talk ) 23:07, 24 November 2008 (UTC)
 * I sent BD to RfD and I thought I had stooped by bot but... I hadn't and in some articles it substituted the template including the RfD tag. :) Everything is ok now. -- Magioladitis (talk) 23:25, 24 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Ah, now I understand. Many thanks for your reply, which reassures me! Xn4  ( talk ) 23:29, 24 November 2008 (UTC)

Sorry
Last I looked into it, it seemed OK. I'll avoid it in future. --User:AlbertHerring Io son l'orecchio e tu la bocca: parla! 14:54, 2 December 2008 (UTC)

Yobot
I'm very confused by your edit here. Since at the time of this edit and at the time of making that edit Yobot did have a bot flag. I've confirmed that with Special:UserRights/Yobot and you should be able to see it if you sign into the account and go to special:preferences. It can also be seen here. Are you saying the bot should no longer be flagged? - Taxman Talk 22:22, 2 December 2008 (UTC)

Re Year of birth missing
Thanks for the heads up regarding the categories.  Pinkadelica Say it...  23:43, 2 December 2008 (UTC)

Re: Category
Thanks for the heads-up. Didn't know there was a difference. =Nichalp  «Talk»=  11:36, 3 December 2008 (UTC)

Yobot
I was investigating bot possibilities surrounding the whole Living people categorisation system, and realised you sort of had the monopoly. I did manage to do a couple of useful things! Just thought I'd let you know, if you need any basic grunt work doing or whatever. - Jarry1250 (t, c) 18:52, 13 January 2009 (UTC)

Hi. I checked LivingBot and it does a great job! I corrected a couple of false positives but in general your bot works fine. I think we can cooperate. I am waiting for ideas.

Since you are using php I think you can do more things than AWB. For example I wanted to do the task you requested as well but I was restricted by the 25,000 articles limit of AWB.

One thing we certainly have to look at is Category:Year of birth unknown. This category is intended for use on discussion pages after new consensus and there are about 3,000 articles there. We have to move the category from article to talk page. Can you help with that? The big problem that I see is that many editors write "unknown" and mean "missing". -- Magioladitis 20:14, 13 January 2009 (UTC)


 * Yeah, LivingBot could definitely help with that. It doesn't seem too much of a challenge to me, but a clear way of automatically assessing whether they meant missing or unknown may be needed. Simply transferring from article to talk (without judgement on what they meant) would be no problem at all, I think. - Jarry1250 (t, c) 20:32, 13 January 2009 (UTC)

This is an example that people don't exactly know what they are talking about. And, imagine, I just picked two articles randomly and the second seemed not to be the case of an unknown yob. Maybe it's better to short other issues first until we think of something (for example I have thought to move only the articles that have a death category and the date is before 1800 or something).

Right now I thought of something you could really help. You can do a job similar to my task 2. Run though articles in Category:Year of birth missing (living people) and if a death category exists replace the first category with Category:Year of birth missing. -- Magioladitis 20:39, 13 January 2009 (UTC)


 * Yeah I agree and was thinking much the same i.e. to do the obvious ones first. On the latter point, I can go one better than just checking a death category exists, I can actually assess them, like I did with Living people (people do add death categories incorrectly). I'll file a BRFA and work on the code in the meantime, though don't expect anything to happen for a day or two. - Jarry1250 (t, c) 20:46, 13 January 2009 (UTC)

Edit to WPBiography template at Talk:Abdul Rahim Sarban
Yobot's 15:41, 21 January 2009 edit to Talk:Abdul Rahim Sarban incorrectly changed "living=no" to "living=yes" in the WPBiography template. Abdul Rahim Sarban is clearly dead. The article has a section /* Death */. The article overall suffers from a lack of citations as is discussed on the talk page, and it does not provide either a date of birth or a date of death. I can understand a bot labeling someone as living if the WPBiography template was silent on the issue, but I cannot understand a bot changing the decision that has had human review. I suggest that you might want to check the bot's algorithum in that regard. --Bejnar (talk) 05:41, 22 January 2009 (UTC)

Adding WPBIO banner to inappropriate places
Yobot appears to be bannering for the WPBIO project any number of pages that are for organizations of people, not just people. Is this on purpose? A brief sample from its recent edits: Also some clearly inappropriate things are getting tagged: Methinks you should look at what it's doing.  Magic ♪piano 23:46, 7 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Talk:2nd Canadian Regiment
 * Talk:Country Party (Rhode Island)
 * Talk:The Northern Whig

Jericho characters
I trimmed the first two. I know nothing of the series, so you may want to make sure that I didn't screw anything up badly before I bother to continue. TTN (talk) 12:17, 11 May 2008 (UTC)

hello, i was not soapboxing, merely correcting an error in nomenclature, the jennings and rall site, though it is a property name of the jericho concept, was made exclusively for the tom tooman game. please note this. thanks! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.164.73.162 (talk) 14:19, 11 May 2008 (UTC)

RE: Removing correct tags.
Ah, sorry about that. It appeared he had gone and tagged every Darkstalkers article himself while setting the date added tags to April instead of May to try and force deletion/merging without the proper amount of time. Thanks for catching things and fixing them. Nezu Chiza (talk) 20:46, 11 May 2008 (UTC)

Brookside template
I figured every other British soap opera template (The ones still on TV) has this setup and found it best to follow suit. I know it seems lazy but I was going for some Uniformity as not to clutter to up the articles with family fields. Conquistdor2k6. 12 May 2008 09:53 (UTC)

adminship
Hey. I've seen your recent work and was thinking that you might be ready for another go at adminship at WP:RFA. Only thing I ask before I have no problems with nomming you is how your CSD work since your last candidacy has improved. Let me know if you think you're up for it. Wizardman 02:54, 14 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Alright. I should have the template and everything up in a few days. Until then, just take the time to prepare answers to the first three questions, and familiarize yourself with the process (since you've had an RfA before this should be no problem. so long as we know you've improved on CSD stuff you're fine) Wizardman  00:55, 17 May 2008 (UTC)
 * I got one more question before I feel ready to transclude. Any examples of some nice articles you've written that I can see? That seems to be a very common reason to oppose these days and I couldn't find much upon looking myself. Wizardman  03:34, 20 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Article writing seems good. However... I think the recent involvement in the fiction realm (one of the most divisive areas right now) as well as no glaring need for the tools make me feel that this next RfA might not pass at this time, yet. So I made the nomination and everything, but I'm going to hold off on it for now. Participate in WP:AFD and CAT:CSD and the like some more, and I may feel more comfortable with a nomination in a few weeks. Wizardman  03:36, 21 May 2008 (UTC)

Just so you know, I have restored the Edie Britt page to its former glory.
Just so you know, I have restored the Edie Britt page to its former glory. AdamDeanHall (talk) 13:19, 17 May 2008 (UTC)

Stop removing information from the Edie Britt page. Just leave it as it is, OK?!! AdamDeanHall (talk) 21:35, 28 May 2008 (UTC)

Could you please tell me why you changed "was" to "is" on the Edie Britt page? I thought the women of Wisteria Lane had seen the last of her in the episode Mother Said. AdamDeanHall (talk) 22:37, 28 May 2008 (UTC)

Nikodim Tsarknias
What are you talking about? I simply changed "Slavic Macedonian" to "Ethnic Macedonian." We don't identify as Slavic Macedonian, I respect core-politics, but politics have nothing to do with self-determination. Mactruth (talk) 00:51, 19 May 2008 (UTC)

Minorities in Greece
The picture it was compared to was deleted, showing only the "Macedonian Slavs as Bulgarian" picture. I thought it to be Bulgarian POV. Mactruth (talk) 00:59, 19 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Both maps are now present. Mactruth (talk) 01:06, 19 May 2008 (UTC)

Magioladitis, our ethnicity is constantly being denied, many trying to show we are not "Ethnic Macedonian" by stating we are "Bulgarian" or "Greek" or give us a new name like "Skopjan" or "Slav-Macedonian." You just don't understand what its like for peoples of the same religion and region to act that way.

I included "Officially recognized by Greece as Slav-Macedonian" but he does not state that, he and everyone else states (ethnic) Macedonian. Mactruth (talk) 01:14, 19 May 2008 (UTC)

Re: Prison Break
Well, it's gonna be tough, but why are you sending it to me personally? I'm not a merger. I don't do big stuff on Wikipedia. Just tell me that merging those episodes takes within an hour, then I'm willing to do it. But I'm not if it takes more time. TheBlazikenMaster (talk) 00:20, 21 May 2008 (UTC) By the way I wasn't saying that I'm willing to do it, I was giving a suggestion. I do have plans in my live. I'm not sure if I can merge them all, let me think about it. TheBlazikenMaster (talk) 00:22, 21 May 2008 (UTC)

DH
Could you not have kept some babes? It was nice. or like, fixed the re-directs? o)

--Cokeandpoprocks (talk) 19:03, 21 May 2008 (UTC)

Accursed
By all means mark articles such as 'Certain accursed ones of no significance' with "re dirty po" but as the incomprehensible message above hints, you must fix the redirects first. In this case, this edit and another to a user talk page were needed. -- RHaworth (Talk | contribs) 20:43, 21 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Hi. I was planning to fix the redirect. I had the window open when the phone rang. :)
 * I always open a new window with the whatlinksto in the redirect I have nominated for speedy deletion and I wait until it's deleted, then I fix the redirects. Thanks. Friendly, Magioladitis (talk) 20:56, 21 May 2008 (UTC)

Redirects for discussion/Redirects from foreign languages
Hi. I have a question because you are the most expert in redirects I know. About the Redirects from foreign languages. Did we end up in something at the end? I think we did and we could proceed and form it as Wikipedia's policy. Am I wrong? -- Magioladitis (talk) 15:18, 22 May 2008 (UTC)

Back in February, I boldly closed the discussion and tagged the conclusion as an essay. No one has reverted me yet so I'm assuming people are comfortable with that decision. As an essay, you can start using it to guide decisions (and I have occasionally). If you think it should be promoted past mere essay status, I'd recommend 1) a different title that pulls it out of the sub-page format, 2) a user-friendly shortcut and 3) some advertising. Or we can leave it as is.  I'm comfortable either way.

Thanks for reminding me of the page. By the way, I also expanded the note about historical placenames. Revert it if you disagree. Rossami (talk) 16:23, 22 May 2008 (UTC)

I agree with the historic names and I think you did a wonderful job with that. Your idea to start a more centralised discussion was brilliant. I am not familiar in working with guidelines and essays, so I have to read a bit about it. The whole thing came into my mind after a discussion in here Redirects for discussion/Log/2008 May 22. We certainly need to promote this essay a bit and we need an easy-to-remember shortcut. I'll try to think of something but I am not very good in these things. Friendly, Magioladitis (talk) 17:16, 22 May 2008 (UTC)

Alexander Mahone
I was mainly concerned with vandalism. I guess if I would have checked up on you, my concerns would have been eased. I was just working on categorizing and making it more clear and concise. Thank you for clearing that up. Bmwilliams08 (talk) 00:07, 23 May 2008 (UTC)

BIRTH-DEATH-SORT vs Lifetime
I hadn't noticed this was a redirect -- I will start using Lifetime instead. Thanks for pointing out the TfD! -- KathrynLybarger (talk) 14:22, 24 May 2008 (UTC)

Can you help?
Hi. I noticed that my IP address has been used to vandalise an article a few weeks ago (article titled "Camel") on the 17th of May and I saw you were the user who sent me the messages pertaining to this issue. There was a person who had access to our internet while he stayed at our house for short period of time, and I would just like to know how did he vandalise the article? What was the vandalism concerning on the article "Camel"?

I apologise that my IP was recorded as vandalising a page and thank you deleting it.

Any further information about this case you be appreciated, as I'm worried about what the person would have done elsewhere on wikipedia, and would just like to know the details or how I can find out what text was edited during the vandalism.

Thank you, from Ethan. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 124.170.92.55 (talk) 06:11, 28 May 2008 (UTC)

D. N. Pritt
We would seem to be fighting over contradictory WP policy here. In using the short form I followed the Naming conventions (people) instruction to use "The name that is most generally recognisable". D. N. Pritt is the most usual form of address both in 'dead tree' works and on the web, despite what has been WP practice. In the election results pages the official form 'Denis Nowell Pritt' is obviously appropriate, hence the piping. Philip Cross (talk) 20:36, 28 May 2008 (UTC)

Contested prod for Melissa Hurst
Hi. Are you contesting the prod of Melissa Hurst? -- Magioladitis 08:08, 30 May 2008 (UTC)
 * No, already contested the deletion. --Closedmouth (talk) 08:10, 30 May 2008 (UTC)

This was just a vandalism. Single edit, no edit summary, no reason in talk page. -- Magioladitis 08:37, 30 May 2008 (UTC)


 * From WP:PROD: "Contested deletions: If anyone, including the article's creator, removes a prod tag from an article for any reason, do not put it back, except when the removal is clearly not an objection to deletion (such as blanking the entire article). If the edit is not obviously vandalism, do not restore tag, even if the tag was apparently removed in bad faith. If you still believe that the article needs to be deleted, list it on Wikipedia:Articles for deletion." --Closedmouth (talk) 13:15, 30 May 2008 (UTC)

Keyword: "for any reason". The prod was removed for "no reason". Moreover, single edit by this account shows "vandalism" and I reverted as "vandalism". Friendly, Magioladitis 13:28, 30 May 2008 (UTC)


 * No, it was removed because the user didn't think the article should be deleted. The whole point of the proposed deletion system is that it's used for uncontroversial deletions that nobody would object to, so that AFD doesn't get bogged down with articles that don't really need to be discussed; if anyone removes the prod notice, it means the deletion isn't uncontroversial. Although it's encouraged for people to explain why they are contesting the prod, it's not compulsory, and it doesn't constitute vandalism if they don't --Closedmouth (talk) 13:35, 30 May 2008 (UTC)

Hi again. I sent it for AfD but because you are contesting the prod for a reason. (I take it as "I believe at least one editor disagrees with deletion") Why do you believe that the user just disagrees and it wasn't a vandalism? Since there is no edit summary we can't conclude that. I think it was a vandalism but I didn't give it a warning because I keep 5% of uncertainty. A reason would be "I don't' think so" or "I like this article" but no summary and no other edits in general? Let's see if this user will at least give a reason for keeping it in the Afd page. I'll leave him message in his talk page. Friendly,- Magioladitis 13:42, 30 May 2008 (UTC)

I just added a warning to the user's talk page hoping from his participation in the Afd discussion. -- Magioladitis 13:47, 30 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Why don't I think it was vandalism? Because I'm assuming good faith. The lack of edit summary means I have no evidence for or against it being vandalism, so I assume it wasn't, and that the user genuinely wanted the article to be kept. And again, I'm not contesting the prod, the user who first removed the tag is. --Closedmouth (talk) 13:51, 30 May 2008 (UTC)

Regarding this article, would it be OK for me to move it now to the List of past minor and recurring characters from Hollyoaks as I proposed in the AfD, or should I wait for the outcome of said AfD? [Jam] [talk] 18:53, 30 May 2008 (UTC)


 * I've replied on my talk page.  [Jam] [talk] 19:21, 30 May 2008 (UTC)

List of original characters
Not really bad, it means the same. Ultra! 15:46, 1 June 2008 (UTC)

Sorry about that.
I just can't help myself when I randomly come across Vinozhito's article. ;)3rdAlcove (talk) 23:29, 8 June 2008 (UTC)

Mammomax
When did a decision to have Mammomax redirected to the List of Brotherhood of Mutants members page occur? Rtkat3 (talk) 8:36, 11 June 2008 (UTC)

Marcus Walton is back
It seems that the NON-NOTABLE Marcus Walton has returned. It should be permanently deleted, not redirected. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.69.107.37 (talk) 22:13, 16 June 2008 (UTC)

Katherine Mayfair to be promoted
Did you check the discussion for the template? I believe that Katherine should be added. Since she has become one of them, why not add her as well. She is friends with them at the finale, she played poker with them five years on. She's even a regular cast member named right after the four main housewives. Don't you think this is enough evidence to be in the main cast?124.188.180.129 (talk) 01:59, 18 June 2008 (UTC)

H&A Template
I usually remove these once a character's left the show ala the other shows. Just out of curiosity; Why have you put them back in? -- Conq 17:36 19 June 2008 (UTC)

Pretty much all the articles of past characters. --Conq 17:45 19 June 2008 (UTC)

The H&A Navibox basically. It's on a lot of pages of characters who have long since left. -- Conq 17:45 19 June 2008 (UTC)

Re: Talk:Emma Taylor
Sorry about that -- I didn't notice that I had followed a redirect. You're right; I deleted per your original request. — xDanielx T/C\R 23:05, 22 June 2008 (UTC)

Talk pages tagged for deletion
Hi there; you have recently tagged a large number of blank talk pages for deletion. Please note that a blank talk page does not qualify for speedy deletion - please stop doing this. --Anthony.bradbury"talk" 11:28, 24 June 2008 (UTC)

Ok, let me put it this way. If you do not stop tagging empty talk pages for speedy deletion you will become a possible candidate for blocking. I say again, please stop. --Anthony.bradbury"talk" 11:37, 24 June 2008 (UTC)

Hi there; clearly we have a different approach to empty talk pages. Please talk to me. --Anthony.bradbury</b><sup style="color:black;">"talk" 11:41, 24 June 2008 (UTC)

Hi. I hope you didn't give me waring while I was tagging because I just noticed them all. Let's discuss it. First of all: Should redirects have project banners? I think not. They is nothing there to improve. Secondly, since these talk pages have nothing should be deleted? My answer is yes. What is your opinion? Friendly, Magioladitis (talk) 12:15, 24 June 2008 (UTC)

Hi there; simple answer - an empty article talk page should not be deleted. Please see WP:CSD. Many articles do not have comments in their talk pages, and they just sit and wait for comments. Please leave them alone. --<b style="color:red;">Anthony.bradbury</b><sup style="color:black;">"talk" 12:18, 24 June 2008 (UTC)

Db-blanktalk reads: "It is a blank talk page with no substantial edit history". The talk pages I nonimated have only a banner addition. -- Magioladitis (talk) 12:19, 24 June 2008 (UTC)

I say again: blank article talk pages are not subject to deletion. Please let us not argue over this point: I have reverted already most if not all of your speedy tags. --<b style="color:red;">Anthony.bradbury</b><sup style="color:black;">"talk" 12:22, 24 June 2008 (UTC)

Sorry, but I am afraid I do disagree. A blank article talkpage is not, repeat not subject to deletion. --<b style="color:red;">Anthony.bradbury</b><sup style="color:black;">"talk" 12:32, 24 June 2008 (UTC)

You have contested several of my decisions, which you have every right to do. Please go to WP:DRV if you feel that you have been seriously disadvantaged.--<b style="color:red;">Anthony.bradbury</b><sup style="color:black;">"talk" 12:45, 24 June 2008 (UTC)


 * Db-blanktalk refers only to talk pages where no corresponding article exists. Are you arguing that redirects do not count as articles? If so, make that clear. Paul B (talk) 12:55, 24 June 2008 (UTC)


 * No, the wording on the template is irrelevant. It is the wording of the criteria that matter. Please read the actual Criteria for speedy deletion  Paul B (talk) 13:07, 24 June 2008 (UTC)
 * I can't make any sense of what you are saying now. You seem to be being argumentative for the sake of it. The talk page point is clearly 8. My link was set up for readability, so the 8 came in mid screen. You even quoted it yourself so why are you now denying it? Paul B (talk) 13:15, 24 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Please note that I had no intention of artginmg with you. I was asking for clarification of whetrher or not you were suggesting that redirects do not count as articles. I have not found discussion with you productive. Paul B (talk) 14:12, 24 June 2008 (UTC)

Coronation Street characters
Hey, just a friendly heads up - I've noticed a couple of times recently you've merged long gone CS characters into the List of recurring and minor Coronation Street characters article. Someone actually created List of past recurring and minor Coronation Street characters a few weeks ago, which would probably be a better receptacle in future :) <font face="Courier New">Frickative 08:51, 29 June 2008 (UTC)

afd
i you feel like, please feel free to comment on the this afd. --Soman (talk) 16:38, 30 June 2008 (UTC)

cleanup tags in Dbabbitt's sandbox
Hi there!

I am currently working hard on cleaning up articles tagged for copy edit, and found User:Dbabbitt/Sandbox tagged since July 2008. I noticed that you recently changed all the tags on that page from February to July 2008 in this edit. Was there a reason for this, and is there a reason why the long list of tags should not be deleted?

Thanks.

- Samuel  Tan  13:51, 10 July 2008 (UTC)


 * Thanks for the reply :) Anyway I doubt the category of articles needing copy edit will get whittled down so much that the tags in his sandbox will need to be deleted heh. Thanks :) - Samuel  Tan  16:07, 10 July 2008 (UTC)

TfD nomination of Template:Db-blanktalk
Template:Db-blanktalk has been nominated for deletion. You are invited to comment on the discussion at the template's entry on the Templates for Deletion page. Thank you. -- Ned Scott 06:44, 13 July 2008 (UTC)

Olympiakos Kato Achaia
How much information is in that article, does that article have the full information? Will it be kept or to be removed? What happened to that article in the Greek version? Pumpie (talk) 22:13, 15 September 2008 (UTC)


 * 1st remark: This team doesn't play in any national division. It plays in the third (the last) division of Achaia, a local division.

2nd remark: After your comment I found that the article exists in Α.Π.Σ. Ολυμπιακός Πατρών, so it's not true that it was deleted (still the link indicated doesn't exist). 3rd remark: If you think we have to keep the article, please remove the prod. I still have the impression that the team is not notable enough but I am not sure about the notability rules for the football team. Friendly, Magioladitis (talk) 22:40, 15 September 2008 (UTC)

On the decision on the questioning if that article is to be deleted, it is uncertain. I think it will not be restored until it has a very few information, the only way to do it for now is redirect the article to the Achaia Football Guild Union along with all the teams formerly edited (e.g. Sageika). In that case, the talking cannot go on. That article on that Wikipedia has been removed and when it is removed for not, instead of deleting, redirect Olympiakos Kato Achaia to the Achaia Football Guild Union and delink Olympiakos Kato Achaia. We know the team is not in the national division and does not have much fame since its population is over 5,000. It will not be restored when some notable information is added later. Pumpie (talk) 01:58, 16 September 2008 (UTC)

WPGR
Um, why? Sure it's a fictionalized version, but it is the same subject.--Marhawkman (talk) 05:34, 16 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Since I did a lot of removing the last days I am not sure to which one you are referring to, but let me give the general idea. An editor, now banned, added tenths of articles with short relation to Greece in the project (along with 2 other projects). WPGR is dealing with articles that have direct relation to Greece and not indirect. For example "Xena" is not even part of the Greek mythology! Some films using characters called "Hercules" etc but are not really related to the Greek history or mythology can be handled better from other projects, but not from WPGR. The same stands for the fictional Marvel/DC characters with the Greek god names. The project is not interesting in these articles. Friendly, Magioladitis 10:28, 16 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Ah, sorry, it was "List of characters in Hercules and Xena". It's mostly a catalogue of mythological figures shown in those TV shows.--Marhawkman (talk) 10:31, 16 September 2008 (UTC)

Just take a look in User_talk:Dimadick. Many editors disagreed with this mass tagging. I am not working on the Greek Mythology project so I am not sure, but since I am no the WPGR for some time, I am quite definite that these articles are outside of the scope of the project. -- Magioladitis 10:43, 16 September 2008 (UTC)


 * I don't really have strong feelings either way. i was more curious why it was done than upset about it.--Marhawkman (talk) 10:45, 16 September 2008 (UTC)

Coronation Street durations
Firstly, I did not know that you were behind Yobot, so this is not me being biased because of the ongoing debates about WP:WPEE related things.

I just wanted to say, the duration fields that you are removing from infoboxes are there because characters come and go between their first and last dates, so they are handy to see which years a character appeared in the show. Was it discussed anywhere before you decided to remove them all? If not, please raise the issue at WT:WPEE before doing this to any EastEnders articles, as I for one will object to this, and would like to have my say before you make the decision to do this to any EastEnders articles. Thanks. -Trampikey(talk)(contribs) 15:07, 17 September 2008 (UTC)

Absuridties abound
I really don't care what that article says. Fact remains the character in question "did" die on the show, saying otherwise defies all logic. The character died of a heart attack. That's an undesputable fact. Sardonicone (talk) 14:33, 19 September 2008 (UTC)

I read it, and no where does it say "characters..are not born or die" of course they do. Again, you're interpretation is not an aboslute one, and thinking as such is absurd Sardonicone (talk) 19:06, 19 September 2008 (UTC)

Charmed Pages
Hi there, I was just wondering if you could point me in the direction of the discussion to remove the "Status" line from the Charmed pages, as I pretty much don't agree with removing it. Thanks! Tavy08 (talk) 18:45, 28 September 2008 (UTC)

Hi. From my point of view, infoboxes are supposed to give a short description of the character for readers who want to take a general idea of the character's profile. This should apply for users watching previous episodes for the first time as well. Check talk the discussion for the Lost infobox and mainly the discussion for Heroes infobox. There were more discussion, not caused by me, but I can't find them right now. I remember, that for some time, some Lost fans were using "Location" in order to describe "status" after the latter's deletion :)

See that conditions such "alive", "dead" depend on the episode you watch and when writing about fiction there is not "current status". Check discussions about the use of the term "former". Moreover, other conditions like "imprisoned", "wounded", etc. are a perfect area for speculations.

Lastly, if you search all the character's infoboxes, i don't think that you can find any other reporting the "status" anymore. Check recent discussion in Template_talk:Coronation_Street_character.

Friendly, Magioladitis (talk) 18:48, 28 September 2008 (UTC)

Hmm, I agree and disagree but I understand your explanation, so let's leave it as is. Thanks for the speedy reply, I was a little worried you were just randomly removing all the "Status" lines for no reason since I couldn't find any discussions on it.

Thanks once again. Tavy08 (talk) 18:57, 28 September 2008 (UTC)

No problem. It would be much better if I had started a discussion in template's talk page first but I checked and the talk page was blank. I am trying to improve articles about fictional characters by adding link to fictional character, replacing History/Biography with "Character's background" according to Manual of Style (writing about fiction) and removed status from templates. In many cases I am proposing merge to more general templates like Infobox character and Infobox soap character. It seems that the Infobox Charm character can't be merged. Have a nice day! -- Magioladitis (talk) 19:04, 28 September 2008 (UTC)

TfD Discussion on Template:U.S. State Senate Majority Leaders
In response to my nomination of Template:U.S. State Senate Majority Leaders for deletion and your related comments, User:Jack Cox has corrected the template so that it longer duplicates Template:U.S. State Treasurers. I have left comments on both the aforemention TfD discussion page and his UserPage indicating that I no longer support deleting the template. --TommyBoy (talk) 04:16, 29 September 2008 (UTC)

'24' redirects
Hi, I'm just curious as to why you've removed the information from some 24 character pages (such as Renee Walker and Jonas Hodges for example) -- they were already redirects before you edited the page. The idea was that editors would be able to update/maintain the character pages and add references etc as news became public but still keep those pages as redirects since the upcoming season hasn't yet aired. Thought that was a smart idea, but if we broke some rules or whatever I'd like to know about it. Thanks! SeanMooney (talk) 10:42, 29 September 2008 (UTC)

Mandy Dingle
I don't intend to take this any further, but I find your actions very disappointing. Instead of actually working to keep the info, but making a potted biography with infobox etc on a past characters page, you've just removed the whole article - thus losing all the information. It always seems to be Emmerdale and Coronation Street characters this happens to, never EastEnders, despite many of them being purley in-universe.--UpDown (talk) 14:17, 2 October 2008 (UTC)
 * The notability tag put by someone a year ago (and none removed) says, if notability cannot be established, the article should be deleted, merged or redirected. Since prod was rejected, I think converting to a redirect to a list, reserving the article's history, is the best solution until someone presents an improved version of the article with references or something like that. I encourage you to write an article with short summaries about past characters of the show. All the information is in article's history. In Coronation Streets this helps me copy the whole content there. I am not an expert in writing summaries and certainly not have the time to do it. Friendly, -- Magioladitis (talk) 14:25, 2 October 2008 (UTC)

This is a good way to avoid notability problems think: List of past recurring and minor Coronation Street characters. If you start it I can help by adding information there. -- Magioladitis (talk) 14:26, 2 October 2008 (UTC)

List of past Coronation Street characters (1990-1999)
Hi, sorry, but I had to revert back to a version of this article before you made changes with your bot. The vandal ip that continuously alters dates had been tampering with it and it was simpler just to revert to a version before. Will you be able to do the Bot changes again? --<font face="Vivaldi"><font color="#DC143C">GunGagdin Moan 18:50, 2 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Thanks, the ip has been blocked, but only for a week. Annoying that they dont just do it indefinitely, he's only here to vandalise! <font face="Vivaldi"><font color="#DC143C">GunGagdin Moan 19:01, 2 October 2008 (UTC)

Delinking dates
Hi,

I just saw your feature request at AWB. It will be interesting to see the response. In the meantime, you can run the monobook script for yourself. Just go to User:Magioladitis/monobook.js and, at the bottom, add: importScript('User:Lightmouse/monobook.js/script.js'); then save the page. Then clear your cache according to the instructions. That is all. When you next edit a page, look in the 'toolbox' at the bottom left below 'What links here'. You will see 'Delink dates to dmy' and 'Delink dates to mdy' plus some other handy options. Try it and let me know how you get on. Lightmouse (talk) 11:21, 3 October 2008 (UTC)

Coronation Street
The Coronation Street template i think should be used for all the characters, including past characters, after all, they're still Coronation Street characters! Ced 9:23, 5 October 2008 (UTC)

I can't seem to get colour on the profile of Luigi on List of past recurring and minor Coronation Street characters, why? Ced 10:12, 5 October 2008 (UTC)

I'm sorry. What was wrong was that the color i used was like this:#FOE68C rather than like this: #F0E68C, with a O instead of a zero, i must have realised and changed it before you looked, that's why you saw it right on your screen. Ced 11:24, 5 October 2008 (UTC)

I agree, actually, theres not really any point in the Past recurring and minor article, many of the characters set on the others were minor anyway, although maybe before doing this nominate it for deletion or bring it up on the WikiProject. Ced 12:40, 5 October 2008 (UTC)

Heroes characters.
You sent a message to me about references needed from NBC for list of Heroes characters. But in the page itself, only a few of the characters actually have references to them. Noah Gray-Cabey appeared in season 3 episode 2, therefore he recurred in this season. Please don't revert pages back to the way you like them just because you have a problem with the truth. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 60.234.212.81 (talk) 01:25, 6 October 2008 (UTC)

merging
I am glad to see you placed merge tags in the proper way, rather than follow the bad advice you were given by TTN, to merge without discussion. It's doing just that which got him blocked before, and I'm surprised he didn't remember. DGG (talk) 03:51, 7 October 2008 (UTC)

Sockpuppet Max Mux
In theory he is guilty of committing Sockpuppetry, but please don't report him, hes still new to wikipedia and he forgets to log in a lot. I've told him this many of times, but he forgets. Could you just remind him to log in as well, that would be most helpful. Regards Ijanderson (talk) 12:20, 8 October 2008 (UTC)


 * Hmmm well I'll give him one last warning over everything and if he violates anything else again, we'll have to report him. Regards Ijanderson (talk) 12:26, 8 October 2008 (UTC)


 * Yes he does need to be fully taught wikipedia's polices. Also he is not that good with English, he is German. He is editing from a University in Germnay (ive forgotten which one), but i found this out by checking is IP address. Regards Ijanderson (talk) 12:41, 8 October 2008 (UTC)

I'm very careful now to log me in every time. Max Mux (talk) 18:57, 9 October 2008 (UTC)

User:Infoart / AfD
I took a look at the two articles by Infoart which you prod'd, have added some refs and think they pass the bar. WikiProject Visual arts has done a lot of work with this editor, reviewing over 150 of his articles, deleting some and cutting material that didn't meet wiki policies. You might like to post on the project talk page to get a review of anything that seems questionable to ascertain whether refs exist or deletion is the way forward. If you do nom anything for AfD, please list at WikiProject Deletion sorting/Visual arts. If you're not happy still with the two articles, let me know and I'll add to them, but they are not top of my priority list.  Ty  00:23, 9 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Thanks for converting the URLs to refs.  Ty  02:03, 9 October 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for the vote of confidence. As you've been encountering articles by Infoart, you might like to have this link Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Visual arts/Infoart articles to check out any others you come across. That's not to say that is final of course, but the participants are very experienced art editors with a good deal of knowledge and would have found a reason to validate an article, doubtless being prepared to explain why and maybe improve it if requested. It's also worth bearing in mind that Infoart's contributions focus on artists in the collection of the Saatchi Gallery which in itself does contribute to notability.  Ty  18:43, 12 October 2008 (UTC)

Template:BD
Template:BD already redirects to Template:Lifetime. I don't know what more you needed so I removed your request. -- Ricky81682 (talk) 07:46, 14 October 2008 (UTC)


 * Well, you should first replace all links to it with links to lifetime. Nobody is going to delete a template that's heavily linked like that.  Then you can request it for deletion via TFD.  Better yet, go to TFD first and see if anyone else wants to redirect deleted. -- Ricky81682 (talk) 10:34, 14 October 2008 (UTC)

notify
when i tag articles for speedy deletion, i tag them via Twinkle, it notifies the original creator, but i'll suggest to the creators of Twinkle that it be changed to notify the top contributer of the article as well, because that seems reasonable. - -The Spooky One (talk to me) 21:05, 15 October 2008 (UTC)

Admin
Hey again. I remember back in May I was thinking of nomming you but decided not to. (Didn't realize it was that long ago, wow) Well, after looking at your contributions again, I do think you would certainly make a capable admin. And actually after looking at our discussion from way back when, I don't really remember why I decided against nomming you (i say why in the commments but still don't quite get my rationale). So if you'd like to go for it this time I'll gladly nom you. I promise I won't back down this time. :) Wizardman  01:20, 17 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Awesome. Here's the template, answer the questions and transclude when you're ready. Wizardman  19:17, 17 October 2008 (UTC)

<div class="boilerplate metadata" id="rfa" style="margin: 0 5%; padding: 0 7px 7px 7px; background: #FFFAEF; border: 1px solid #999999; text-align: left; font-size:95%;"> Wizardman would like to nominate you to become an administrator. Please visit Requests for adminship to see what this process entails, and then contact Wizardman to accept or decline the nomination. A page for your nomination at Requests for adminship/ . If you accept the nomination, you must state and sign your acceptance. You may also choose to make a statement and/or answer the optional questions to supplement the information your nominator has given. Once you are satisfied with the page, you may post your nomination for discussion, or request that your nominator do so. Happy Editing and Good Luck! I hope your RfA passes; you'll be a great admin. <font color=#808080>RockManQ (talk) 04:37, 18 October 2008 (UTC)

LKP cc 1st sec
well, its a valid subject, but the material in the article is simply copied from Communist Party of Lithuania. Perhaps a merge back with the main article is the best, until the LKP article expands significantly. --Soman (talk) 19:39, 17 October 2008 (UTC)

Quick Question
Hey Magioladitis, I had a quick question: just wondering - have you ever had an article raised to GA, FA, FL, or anything else? Btw, I plan on supporting your RfA soon.  iMa tth ew (talk) 00:40, 18 October 2008 (UTC)


 * Hi. Thanks for contacting me. I mainly work by creating new articles. I am trying to give List of aviation accidents and incidents during the Iraq War a B class rating (you may look if the article has the proper supporting materials and if yes... we have a B article) but I never had significantly improve an article, so far, to raise it for GA, GL or FA. I am planning to work harder in the future in some biographies of Greek politicians. I have some material for Kostas Kappos. Thanks, Magioladitis (talk) 07:44, 18 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Ok, thanks!  iMa tth ew (talk) 10:56, 18 October 2008 (UTC)

French commune infoboxes
Hi. We have a large back log of French commune articles to add the infoboxes from French wikipedia Status check. All that needs doing is copying the infobox directly from the French wikipedia equivalent. Please see Vulaines. All that needs doing for each article is cutting and pasting the infobox from French wiki into every article which must be bot compatible. So for Vulaines all it requires is pasting the infobox into it from here and pasting it into the english wiki article. COuld somebody please programme a bot or use some form of coding to help complete the task in hours rather than months? Blofeld of SPECTRE (talk) 11:48, 18 October 2008 (UTC)

Section length, Book titles, et al.
Hi. Can you read this section and then offer your opinion on the points raised? Thanks. Nightscream (talk) 14:04, 18 October 2008 (UTC)

Re: R from merge
Oh, sorry. I didn't really understand what it was for but thought it would be no longer applicable. Thanks for putting it back. U-Mos (talk) 14:42, 18 October 2008 (UTC)

Follow-up: Issues brought up in RFA by Caspian blue
Hi, Magioladitis. I'm posting this as a follow-up to my "Support" comment in your RfA. I suggested that you address some of the issues brought up by Caspian blue. I'd like to explain that a bit. Concerning his comment on WP:AN3, I have two suggestions for the future. First, perhaps you could discuss the issue a teeny bit more with the other party (rather than conversing through the edit summaries). I noticed your notes on his talk page; that was good. Perhaps you could've added something like, "I'm going to move this category over to the talk page according to the instructions on the category, okay?" Second, (using the above case as an example) you might have done what you did to resolve the conflict first, rather than reverting Badagnani's restoration at all or reporting him to AN3. I noticed you reported him to 3RR, then decided to move the category to the talk page about two hours later. I like how you listened to the user's suggestion even though it wasn't the most politely worded suggestion. Maybe in the future, you could do things like that before or instead of reporting the other party. I don't think he should've been blocked for the conflict, especially since he didn't object to you moving the category. That's just my opinion.

My advice: in conflicts, kindly consider how you can peacefully resolve the conflicts by talking it over politely with the other parties or taking the initiative as you did in this case. Try to make blocking unnecessary if you can. I think that as you do this, you'll find that your interactions with other editors will be more enjoyable and less dramatic than the interactions of people who don't do this.

I think you are a good editor who deserves the mop, and that you do have good interactions with other editors. I hope my feedback helps you. : )

Also, I would look up the policy mentioned in Question 6 and give an answer for it. I'd hate to see a rush of pile-on Q6 opposes ruin an RfA that deserves to pass.

I hope I've given you some useful feedback. I hope you get the mop&mdash;you'll make a good admin. Cheers! SunDragon34 (talk) 00:23, 19 October 2008 (UTC)

List of aviation accidents and incidents during the Iraq War
Just a heads-up: it looks like some of the items on the list are copy-pasted straight from their cited sources. That will kill B- and GA- assessments faster than just about anything. Since this is one of your pet projects, I thought you ought to know. I'll try to help you go through and rewrite them. Between the two of us, it shouldn't take too long. Actually, if I hadn't just noticed this, I was going to bump it up to C-class or B-class (or nom it, depending on the Wikiproject rules). That each item has a citation is pretty impressive. Happy editing! SunDragon34 (talk) 01:34, 19 October 2008 (UTC)

Your RFA
Best wishes for your RFA.-- <em style="font-family:Kristen ITC;color:#ff0000"> Tinu  <em style="font-family:Kristen ITC;color:#ff0000">Cherian  - 13:12, 20 October 2008 (UTC)

Your AWB feature request
I have revived your AWB feature request. See: Wikipedia_talk:AutoWikiBrowser/Feature_requests. Regards Lightmouse (talk) 15:36, 23 October 2008 (UTC)

Adminship
Congratulations, you are now an administrator! Now is the time to visit the New admin school and, if you haven't already, to look through the Administrators' how-to guide and Administrators' reading list. If you have any questions, feel free to ask me, or at the Administrators' noticeboard. Warofdreams talk 19:19, 24 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Congratulations! --Soman (talk) 19:26, 24 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Congrats, just remember be bold and WP:DDTMP :D <font color=#808080>RockManQ (talk) 20:34, 24 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Hey, I see you're mopping up already. Way to go! I'm available if you ever have questions.--<font color="#960018" face="comic sans ms">Fabrictramp | <font color="#960018" face="Papyrus">talk to me  00:30, 25 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Congrats! Ecoleetage (talk) 04:10, 25 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Congrats! AdjustShift (talk) 07:17, 25 October 2008 (UTC)

Congratulations, here's your mop. --Ron Ritzman (talk) 13:53, 26 October 2008 (UTC)

Rockdetector deletion
Greetings Magioladitis. Ive seen that you deleted Rockdetector. I can't find any discussion about it or something...what were the circumstances?--  LYKANTROP   <FONT COLOR="black">✉ </FONT> 10:10, 25 October 2008 (UTC)

It was deleted as an expired uncontested prod which was posted on 00:32, 19 October 2008 with reason "no assertion of notability, fails WP:WEB, not a single hit on Gnews". I sent you the deleted content by email. -- Magioladitis 10:46, 25 October 2008 (UTC)


 * Oh, thanks you for your great answer! But does every "prod" get deleted just because of the propose, which is not answered by anyone? I mean, Rockdetector is the biggest rock databease on the internet, it published several books and it is a reliable source. How does this fail WP:WEB?--  LYKANTROP   <FONT COLOR="black">✉ </FONT> 11:43, 25 October 2008 (UTC)


 * To answer the question about "prods". If an editor puts a "prod" tag on an article and it stays there for 5 days, it may be deleted. However, anybody, including the page creator, can remove the prod tag. It's for deletions assumed to be "uncontroversial". --Ron Ritzman (talk) 14:14, 26 October 2008 (UTC)


 * From the moment you wrote me this message, I am searching for more data (check that i almost did no edits after that). According to WP:WEB the site need non trivial media coverage (more details on the page) and I didn't find any. On the other hand I think I have to revert it, at least because it's heavily linked within Wikipedia. Please not that it's my first day as an admin. Can you provide me any media coverage for this site? -- Magioladitis 11:52, 25 October 2008 (UTC)


 * That is allright, I am not angry or something. Just a small deletion-error.
 * I must note that WP:WEB says that a website "is deemed notable based on meeting any one of the following criteria..." Not all of the criteria.
 * Some media coverage:
 * Rockdetector had positive responses from Digby Pearson- Managing Director of Earache Records; and Blabbermouth, a reliable source, which is hosted by huge American rock record label Roadrunner Records (the source was here, but they recently changed their website and now it shows this. Bad luck). But we also have working sources such as further feedback from Blabbermouth here and here or another source here: the introduction of this.
 * I hope this helps :) --  LYKANTROP   <FONT COLOR="black">✉ </FONT> 12:12, 25 October 2008 (UTC)
 * I am undeleting it and I am informing the prod nominator. Thanks for the sources. -- Magioladitis (talk) 12:17, 25 October 2008 (UTC)
 * No problem. If there is something important going on about that page, you can inform me.--  LYKANTROP   <FONT COLOR="black">✉ </FONT> 12:20, 25 October 2008 (UTC)


 * Thanks for the note, i don't think any of those sources are remotely reliable (blabbermouth.net all but says so at the foot of the page), the orginal reason for a proposed deletion was that, after an extensive search, i could find no mention of the site in reliable sources. I don't think there is any indication that it passes Notability (web) but i'll take it to an afd for a final decision but as far as i can see this is just a personal site of little note created by a non-notable author. -- neon white talk 18:46, 25 October 2008 (UTC)

prod vs redirect
For minor characters with articles that cannot really be justified, such as Regina Morrow, it's probably better to redirect rather than prod. It's fairly generally agreed that the names are appropriate redirects. So when I see them on prod, I redirect to the main article of the list if the names are included in the list of minor characters, assuming there will be support, since at least one other person thought the main article inappropriate. If you want to use this device for calling them to attention, in practice I try to catch all the appropriate ones from PRODSUM. (If its a major character, I remove the prod).If it look totally trivial, I leave the prod.) Of course, this is not the way it is really supposed to be done--it's supposed instead to be discussed on the talk pages-- but it does work as a practical measure. IDGG (talk) 17:39, 28 October 2008 (UTC)

AWB
Thanks for that, forgot to set it to skip, and also I didn't think. Loading that module now, thanks again for the reminder. <font face="Trebuchet MS">&mdash; neuro(talk) 23:48, 28 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Unmounted module, there is not currently clear consensus in favour of mass/automated delinking of all dates. <font face="Trebuchet MS">&mdash; neuro(talk) 23:55, 28 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Oh, right. Well, I am leaving it unmounted because I am uncomfortable judging whether 'there is a reason to [link dates]'. <font face="Trebuchet MS">&mdash; neuro(talk) 00:03, 29 October 2008 (UTC)

Congrats!
Hey, congrats on the successful RfA! I know you'll do a good job. SunDragon34 (talk) 06:12, 29 October 2008 (UTC)

Villages
Ignore Mick McGhee. The rudest and most cynical editor I;ve ever come across on here. Uses every opportunity to slag my efforts on wikipedia off. Not pleasant and totally unacceptable to mention it as a joke at an unrelated AFD. Dr. Blofeld (talk) 13:13, 31 October 2008 (UTC)

Angela Petrelli
Why have I received a message telling me that I made unconstructive edits to the page about Angela Petrelli when I haven't even visited the page? My IP is not shared, my network secure and I am the only person using it at the moment... explain? 122.57.224.34 (talk) 23:19, 10 November 2008 (UTC)

Kathy Brookman
Hello. Has the article about Emmerdale character Kathy Brookman/Bates been deleted? Only she was a major character over many years and there would be third party refs and notablity for her. I really hope it hasn't been deleted.--UpDown (talk) 12:22, 20 November 2008 (UTC)
 * I've just worked out that the redirect Kathy Brookman was deleted yesterday - thus removing the entire edit history for the article. I realise it wasn't you who deleted the redirect - the article is at Kathy Glover - but can the redirect be restored for edit history purposes?--UpDown (talk) 12:31, 20 November 2008 (UTC)

Fair City characters
Given the apparent nature of the show, without the usual separation of principal and subsidiary charactrs and its clear national importance, a paragraph on each of the characters would make sense, and either the main article or the existing character list article would probably be the place to merge them to. I'm suggesting this for all the ones you prodded. I agree completely that separate articles for each character make sense, and I will support a proper merge if it is challenged.I thought about just redirects, but its reasonable to have some information. Please note this is an editorial, not an administrative action. DGG (talk) 16:52, 20 November 2008 (UTC)

Prison Break characters
Hello, I was just wondering that since some of the characer articles are to be merged, what is to become of their images? Should they be on the specific character's section of the minor characters article? Thanks. -- Matthew R Dunn (talk) 14:43, 23 November 2008 (UTC)

Well, I think it depends. We can add some images but I think in general images just for decoration should be avoided. Better back them up in your hard disk for any case. -- Magioladitis 20:43, 23 November 2008 (UTC)


 * I'm not hoping to keep every image, just to keep the odd one there. I've been thinking, and since much of the character images are put into the actor articles which don't have their own images, I could just place them there (putting Frank Tancredi image to the John Heard article). Nonetheless, I'll take your advice, and save them just in case. -- Matthew R Dunn (talk) 20:56, 23 November 2008 (UTC)
 * I agree with you. I think we have to merge every secondary character in the List and then perform a serious cleanup. It's a shame such a popular TV series to have such bad articles. -- Magioladitis 20:59, 23 November 2008 (UTC)

Image
Hey Magioladitis, when you get a chance would you be able to resurrect this image for me please? Image:Betty.jpg It got orphaned and deleted due to a merge that had no consensus, but is no longer orphaned. Many thanks.--<font face="Vivaldi"><font color="#DC143C">GunGagdin Moan 22:46, 24 November 2008 (UTC)

Law & Order: Special Victims Unit episodes
Hi. I was the one who tagged all L&O eps 1.5 months ago for lack of notability, and I intended to redirect them in December. Before you AfD all the other L&O, wouldn't it be less bureaucratic to just redirect them all citing the first AfD? Or do you fear edit-wars with IPs and fanboys (in which case AfD absolutely is the right option)? – sgeureka t•c 21:56, 27 November 2008 (UTC)


 * Hi. I am completely fine with the redirects. I just checked season 6. On episode really its worth to stay as an article. The one with the Emmy award. All the rest can be redirected. I was just worried because the consensus for one of the worst quality episodes was "merge" and not delete or redirect and I am afraid that redirects will start to get reverted in the "don't redirect unless you fit the information in the list of episodes" logic. I can withdraw if you start a discussion in the talk page of each season and I can support redirect. Right now I was about to go to sleep. -- Magioladitis (talk) 22:23, 27 November 2008 (UTC)


 * There's little point in withdrawing fiction AfDs that were started unless an AfDed article has improved to B-class. In my experience, AfDing controversial/potentially-notable-but-still-"crap" fiction articles leads to keep results often enough to turn subsequent merge proposals into "but the the AfD said keep" fan filibustering, so I usually redirect such articles with a note saying "No WP:NOTABILITY established for 2 months. Don't restore this article without establishing notability." Works most of the time. – sgeureka t•c 00:34, 28 November 2008 (UTC)

AFD
What is it with you and Super Robot Wars? I'm trying very hard to assume good faith, but I'm having trouble when you flood AFD with so many entries with the same reasoning. If you use the same reasoning on all of them, they should be bundled in one nomination so commenters can apply the same reasoning to all noms without commenting in each of them. Your causing them extra work. And why haven't you even considered the idea of merging all these articles in a list (after cutting out the majority of PLOT details) or even simply redirecting as a plausible search term?

Also your nomination didn't show you did any research in the topic of your article despite the deletion policy saying that is the last resort for articles that cannot be verified after reasonable efforts. - Mgm|(talk) 00:13, 1 December 2008 (UTC)

Hi. I am really sorry for all theses AfDs. TTN tried to do them altogether and it was rejected. I tried to do 4 of them altogether and it seems they are still disagreements with that. I proposed deletion (PROD) for about ten of them to avoid this discussion and DGG rejected them. (I am planning to send him an email, probably tomorrow I am bit tired right now). I'll do my best to create list of characters for a tv series but not for characters which appear in one or two video games. I really believe there is nothing there to be saved. I haven't looked a lot of what's happening with all this fiction articles around, when I find that really shouldn't be around I am nominating it. This is the last bunch of Super Robots characters. One way or another this discussion will end in five days. Again, I am sorry for flooding. This is the first time I am sending so many articles in AfD. -- Magioladitis (talk) 00:24, 1 December 2008 (UTC)
 * you didn't send that email yet, so I am answering it in advance. If a good faith argument will be raised to support keeping the article, it is not a valid prod. How can it be, when anyone can remove the tag? And articles deleted by prod can be restored on request. But if what they need is merging or redirection, they shouldnt be in either place. If an argument can be made for merge, or even redirect, it does not belong on either prod or afd. Sometimes when I see things on prod that should clearly be redirected, I do just that, as any editor can.   DGG (talk) 22:57, 2 December 2008 (UTC)

Articles for deletion/Jackie Merrick
I redirected the page to finish the merge. - Mgm|(talk) 09:41, 1 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Didn't you know merged pages should be redirected? - Mgm|(talk) 10:38, 1 December 2008 (UTC)
 * If there was a disagreement, you could work on consensus on Requested mergers. - Mgm|(talk) 10:51, 1 December 2008 (UTC)

User:Danite123
Can I suggest that you retract this edit to User talk:Danite123. It is pretty clear that the user in question intends only to contact other users for an article which could be to the benefit of Wikipedia as a whole, and the edits to talk pages that he is making are not deliberately disruptive. I think in this position a retraction of the template and a friendly point in the correct direction would be a better outcome for all parties than accusing the user of vandalism and allowing that to sit on the page. Cheers, Apterygial talkstalkinsane idea 05:31, 2 December 2008 (UTC)

Clarification
Hello! You said here that the character is from a show. Please note that I am unaware of any Underworld television show. If there is one and I somehow missed it, then, darn as I might watch it! :) Anyway, the franchise includes a video game, three movies (two released and one coming out in a month or so), and novelizations of the first two films, as well as a comic book adaptation of the upcoming film, but again, I don't think there was a TV show.  This particular character appears in at least one film and one of the novelizations (I don't know if he appears in the game or what role he will or will not have in the upcoming film).  Best, --A NobodyMy talk 02:33, 4 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Yes, you are right. I really enjoyed the films but I guess I tend to forget names. When I realised that he is the father of the two evil protagonists I changed by opinion. Why there isn't any List of characters available? I think it would be much better. -- Magioladitis (talk) 02:35, 4 December 2008 (UTC)
 * I would not be opposed to a list of characters instead for some of the secondary characters and I would certainly be willing to help edit it. I would say that Selene (Underworld) as the main character in the first two films and one of two selectable characters in the video game merits her own article.  Raze (Underworld) is also notable as one of two playable characters in the video game and I was able to start a reception section on him (see Raze_(Underworld)).  I think that Michael Corvin is also worthy of an article as I was able to start a Michael_Corvin and Michael_Corvin section for him.  Also, please note that they made action figures of Michael, Raze, Viktor, Lucian, and Selene.  The protagonist of Underworld: Rise of the Lycans may also be worthy of an article too depending on what kind of coverage is in reviews and interviews associated with that film's release.  Now for the other characters who are not the protagonists of either the films or games and thus for whom production and reception sections would be more difficult to start, a character list would probably be an appropriate compromise that I would be willing to support.  I really think that we all need to come up with some kind of compromises with the fictional character ones that everyone should be able to live with.  I can usually find sources if they exist so my feeling is if I can at least start a development and reception section using Google News and Google Books results then the article has potential and should be kept; if I can verify the information, but not do much beyond just confirming the character appeared in whatever film or game or who portrayed the character, then a merge and redirect is the way to go; and finally if even I cannot add one source to the article then deletion or redirecting would be appropriate.  I am, however, generally only going to comment in the ones where I am really confident the article has enough potential that it really should not be outright deleted.  But I think these standards are reaonable?  What do you think?  Best, --A NobodyMy talk 02:47, 4 December 2008 (UTC)
 * I think that with the elements you describe one of the best list of articles can be described. I think we should include there Lucian, Viktor, Sonja, Markus Corvinus, Kraven, Alexander Corvinus, William Corvinus, Raze. We can have a list of characters with many references, real world information (like a section called "Action figures", etc.) and with short character's profiles instead of exhaustive plot descriptions. If can find enough sources for Michael Corvin, it can be a separate article, but I am not sure yet. Selene is the main character but the article is very weak. Why really? If you are willing to start this article, I can help as well and write this in the AfD. I can't do it alone. In fact if wouldn't have noticed that Underworld characters were send to AfD, if I was not going to fix the infoboxes. -- Magioladitis (talk) 10:40, 4 December 2008 (UTC)
 * I would of course be willing to help work on such a list and to continue to do what I can with any articles for Selene or any other characters who may be worthy of their own article. We could rank the characters by degrees of notablility for determing the list's organization:
 * Characters who appeared in all three films and thus all three novelizations/graphic novelizations of the films.
 * Characters who appeared in two of the films and novelizations.
 * Characters who appeared in one film and novelization.
 * Characters who had an action figure made of him/her (Lucian, Michael, Raze, Selene, and Viktor).
 * Characters who were playable characters in the video game (Raze and Selene).
 * Characters who were non-playable characters in the game.
 * Those with multiple or starring appearances in different media can be considered main characters and those who are important to the stories, but haven't had multiple appearances secondary characters. Given our discussion here, do you think it would be worth trying to see if TTN and Thumperward would allow us to take this route as a compromise and thus withdraw the two active discussions so we can proceed?  Best, --A NobodyMy talk 15:42, 4 December 2008 (UTC)
 * A wrote a message to Articles for deletion/Michael Corvin. I think none will have a problem if we create a good article. I think we can start by creating the article including the important information found. Even if articles get deleted, which I doubt, I still have access to the code, since I am an admin. As you may know, I am usually pro of deleting unreferenced articles for fictional characters but in this case we have 3 films, novels, a video game and action figures. A lot and good material. -- Magioladitis (talk) 16:12, 4 December 2008 (UTC)


 * Cool and I am happy that even though you and I are probably more often than not in disagreement about these fictional character articles (I usually favor keeping in some capacity) that we are able to work together here. On a side note, for the next ten days or so my on-wiki time will be incredibly limited due to final exam week.  Sincerely, --A NobodyMy talk 15:47, 5 December 2008 (UTC)
 * No problem. Take your time. We have access to the material so we can create a good article and nothing will be lost. Good luck with your exams, they are far more important for you right now. -- Magioladitis (talk) 15:54, 5 December 2008 (UTC)


 * Okay, when I do have time, should I start the list in my userspace first or just begin it in the mainspace? Best, --A NobodyMy talk 15:55, 6 December 2008 (UTC)


 * Start it in your userpage in order to avoid any tagging and as soon as we have something  good to show we can put it in a new article and people can contribute on it. Cheers. Magioladitis (talk) 16:09, 6 December 2008 (UTC)


 * Okay, please see User:A Nobody/Underworld characters (I figure it's Saturday, I need a break from school...). Please see Talk:Underworld_(film_series).  There seems to be support for a list like ours and given the previews and upcoming reviews of the prequel being released this month, I think it might be a good idea to put in mainspace where more potential editors will see it and be able to help out.  See how already this month, news sources are starting to preview the new film with comments on the characters.  The current article can obviously have some of the plot information trimmed, but given the calls for a character list on that talk page, I think now might be a good time to get some more hands on this one.  What do you think?  Best, --A NobodyMy talk 16:28, 6 December 2008 (UTC)

plyed -> played
Hello,

Thank you for attempting to contribute to the typo regrexes. Unfortunately, I had to remove your new rule "plyed -> played" because the typo in question doesn't always mean played. A good portion of the time, the user meant plied instead. Therefore, it can't be autofixed. The "plyed" typo does seem quite common so I may try to work through some of them manually in the near future.

Also, when you add a rule to RegExTypoFix, please put it at the top of the new additions section located at the top. This way other users can easily check it for errors.--ThaddeusB (talk) 17:45, 6 December 2008 (UTC)

Please block and delete revisions
Hello, you recently blocked User:Briana C.K. Scouecks for 12 hours for vandalism on Brian Beacock. Would you please consider blocking the account indefinitely for vandalism, and also as a violation of WP:USERNAME? The user's name, said aloud, is a personal attack on Mr. Beacock (I won't repeat it but it involves cocks). Could you also delete the person's edits from the page history of Brian Beacock because of that? Thank you. Loves Macs  (talk) 01:03, 15 December 2008 (UTC)

Your bot
Hello, Magioladitis! Your bot is working uncorrect: it brokes orders into the categories. ,, , , and numerous others examples. Couldn't you correct mistakes of your bot? -- Worobiew (talk) 12:42, 15 December 2008 (UTC)

Hi. This bug is not due to my bot. I am just using AWB to to substitute BD. I can send you the my AWB settings if you want. The only things is done is to substitute BD according to the procedure described in Template:Lifetime. I noticed a couple of bus myself and I reported them to AWB. Please, if possible just fix the pipes in the categories and don't re-add BD. Friendly, Magioladitis (talk) 13:04, 15 December 2008 (UTC)

I reported the bug:. -- Magioladitis (talk) 13:07, 15 December 2008 (UTC)


 * Hello, your bot continues to destroy:, , , , , etc. Please, pacify it. Thank you. -- Worobiew (talk) 15:44, 22 February 2009 (UTC)


 * I made some tests with AWB v.4.5.1.1 and I thought the bug was fixed. I am sorry for that. I'll fix everything you report. -- Magioladitis (talk) 15:44, 22 February 2009 (UTC)


 * I'll be running the substitution with general fixed turned off. This fixes the problem. -- Magioladitis (talk) 07:30, 23 February 2009 (UTC)
 * O.K., thank you. It seems to me, all is correct. Thanks for undertsanding and helping. -- Worobiew (talk) 02:15, 24 February 2009 (UTC)

Articles for deletion/Tim Carney
Wow, a month since you nominated it and it's still not closed! :) I would close it myself as it's an obvious merge, but I'm not an admin.  Best, --A NobodyMy talk 18:08, 21 December 2008 (UTC)

Merry Christmas
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A NobodyMy talk is wishing you a Merry Christmas! This greeting (and season) promotes WikiLove and hopefully this note has made your day a little better. Spread the WikiLove by wishing another user a Merry Christmas, whether it be someone you have had disagreements with in the past, a good friend, or just some random person. Don't eat yellow snow!

Spread the holiday cheer by adding to their talk page with a friendly message. --A NobodyMy talk 02:12, 25 December 2008 (UTC)

Castiel
Hey, a while ago you proposed that Castiel be merged into the list of minor Supernatural characters. However, I've been cleaning up his page and adding stuff, but the article needs a picture. I tried uploading one, but couldn't get it to work. If you have any free time, do you mind uploading a useable pic of Castiel to be used in the article? Preferably both of these pics: http://flickr.com/photos/31021759@N07/2922406220 and http://flickr.com/photos/38117284@N00/2887197999/ Thanks. Ophois (talk) 00:17, 3 January 2009 (UTC)

Re: Infobox Court Case
I will quite happily go through and update the other parameters to remove the underscore (I must have not read the botreq closely enough!). As for the massive image, that was caused by imagesize= parameter being called but left blank. I have fixed the error, but that is an issue with the template rather than the bot. After a little investigation, I found that if the imagesize parameter is called and left blank, as happened in the article in question, instead of defaulting to 180px, the image is displayed at its native resolution (in this case ~2000x1500px). I will amend the template code to prevent this from happening. <small style="font:bold 12px Trebuchet MS;display:inline;"><font color="#630">RichardΩ612  Ɣ ɸ 11:55, 4 January 2009 (UTC)

Hello Magioladitis, I've been asked to tell you about this by User:Richard0612:


 * Your bot and the images on Template:Infobox Court Case


 * Richard, your bot has screwed up, I'm afraid. It's deleted images on tonnes of case I've been putting up, especially the ones you'll find in. I think it's deleted the image field altogether. Here's one example: Olley v Marlborough Court Hotel. This is a bit annoying, so can you please fix them all, and get back to me. I'm not sure what it was meant to do (image resizing?) but unfortunately it's had bad side effects. I actually don't see why it's necessary to have any default image at all. Wikidea 17:04, 4 January 2009 (UTC)

Apparently you've got something to do with this? Can you please tell Richard to put it back how it was?  Wik idea  17:31, 4 January 2009 (UTC)

Sorry, apparently you were the wrong person, according to an updated comment on my talk page from Richard!  Wik idea  18:40, 4 January 2009 (UTC)

Kathy Bates Merrick/Tate/Glover/Brookman/whatever
I know she's more commonly known as Glover, but Brookman was the name she went under when she returned in 2005.

Conquistador2k6 00:08, 8 January 2009 (UTC)

Rod Calloway
I concur on the deletion of this article. Mark 05:13, 12 January 2009 (UTC) Msavidge (talk • contribs)


 * This article was deleted via AfD procedure. Check Articles for deletion/Rod Calloway. Thanks, Magioladitis (talk) 08:40, 12 January 2009 (UTC)

Years of birth missing (living people)
LivingBot on log-only mode gave me this list of 22 articles that need to be updated. Enough to warrant a bot, or do you want to go through them manually? - Jarry1250 (t, c) 20:19, 15 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Great. I was expecting more results. I'll do these manually. But I think you can request an approval for this task so we can reuse in the future and automatically change them. -- Magioladitis (talk) 21:46, 15 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Interesting. Gene Barth had a wrong death category caused by vandalism. -- Magioladitis (talk) 21:53, 15 January 2009 (UTC)

Ok, since your bot can make lists I think you can make lists with all biography articles having problems with categories and update them regularly. For example categories having two YOB categories (probably the one of the them to be YOB missing), etc. -- Magioladitis (talk) 22:05, 15 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Good ideas. I should add, in the interests of clarity, that that list was checked by me before posting it, and a few false positives removed. I think human checking (not editing) is always going to have to play a part in many of LivingBot's operations. - Jarry1250 (t, c) 17:13, 16 January 2009 (UTC)

YOB vs DOB

 * Thanks for the note. Ooops. Carlossuarez46 (talk) 00:27, 16 January 2009 (UTC)

YOB vs Lifetime
So what if there is no consensus? I'm still doing it. I can't be punished for it, it's just a matter of preference. Until someone says - "Don't ever use that" I will use it with my edits. Why else would it exist? It is used very often, if not all the time lately.Cosprings (talk) 00:22, 17 January 2009 (UTC) The lifetime template replaces the YOB/D Categories, as it does the living people category. I am sick of seeing YOB/D out of order alphabetically or just randomly inserted with the other cats. I will continue to use this template.Cosprings (talk) 01:10, 17 January 2009 (UTC)

Template:Grammar
I notice you rightly closed and redirected. As per discussion, if it's not possible to have the above template redirect (in some magic way) to copyedit|for=grammar, should a bot (eg. mine) be made to mass replace all existing uses? - Jarry1250 (t, c) 12:11, 17 January 2009 (UTC)


 * I had in mind to make a bot run for that . If you can do it with your bot I would be more than happy.

PS If you can please raise your voice about BD in Template talk:Lifetime as well in order we reach a consensus some day. - Magioladitis 12:19, 17 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Hmm... I'll try to work out what my exact opinions are before posting on that, otherwise I might just make things worse. BRFA filed by the way (please improve the wording as you see fit). - Jarry1250 (t, c) 12:43, 17 January 2009 (UTC)

AfD nomination of Syntax Error (film)
An article that you have been involved in editing, Syntax Error (film), has been listed for deletion. If you are interested in the deletion discussion, please participate by adding your comments at Articles for deletion/Syntax Error (film). Thank you. Schuym1 (talk) 23:12, 23 January 2009 (UTC)

Underworld update
Something to keep an eye is this, i.e. the character list may have a chance of additional sources if a TV show is indeed made. Best, --A NobodyMy talk 05:35, 26 January 2009 (UTC)

Request for reversal of closure
With regards to Templates for deletion/Log/2009 January 23 which you were the closing admin of I have prepared a DRV nomination. I will however present the text for your perusal before posting it, thus you may reconsider your closure more of your own initiative. I will emphasize that I did mention in the course of the debate the fact that the templates were not tagged appropriately, just in case you missed that essential bit.

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TFD discussion. Closed as Speedy keep

I assert that the discussion was inappropriately closed due to the fact the the two nominated templates were never issued the TFD template to alert users about the nomination. The templates are both editprotected and requests on their repspective talk pages to have them tagged per deletion process guidelines were declined, spuriously asserting that they were in use on "less than 5 pages" thus no point was seen in adding the notification to any of them. In truth, the templates adorn more than 1500 pages. As a consequence of this slip only a very few people who happened to access the Templates for deletion page for other reasons (or that were given a person-to-person heads-up) would be alerted to the existence of the discussion.

As response to my post to the English Wikipedia mailing list, WikiEn-l, about the nomination, commenters there immediately corroborated by sentiements and also presented perspectives that did not surface in the short time the TFD was allowed to stand, unannounced.

If the nomination is relisted, which is my request, I will be sensitive to views that describe areas (particularly noticeboards) where the templates have proven highly useful without any of the ill effects which was the basis for my nomination, and I will present a sympathetic posture to intermediary solutions such as limiting the use of the template to only certain pages / types of pages / namespaces. __ ~ }} __meco (talk) 10:29, 26 January 2009 (UTC)

Hi. In fact, according to the discussion so far, after almost 3 days I think that there was forming a clear snowball keep. Moreover, as far as I understand you are questioning the procedure being held often in Wikipedia talk pages and not only the templates themselves. So, I think you have to start a discussion about consensus-building process and if this procedure is in contradiction with it. Thus, IMHO, you have to find a more appropriate place to do this discussion and not the TfD page. Of course, you can start a new TfD if you think it was closed improperly but still I think this is not the correct procedure to discuss your concerns about the consensus-building process. -- Magioladitis (talk) 11:11, 26 January 2009 (UTC)

Sarah, Plain and Tall (film)
Regarding Sarah, Plain and Tall (film), can I have your source for those parameters' being deprecated? I'm trying to improve the template, but I didn't know they were (though deprecating them is probably a good idea, don't get me wrong). - Jarry1250 (t, c) 17:00, 26 January 2009 (UTC)
 * I'll duplicate the deprecation across to Infobox Television film, as you suggest. (Though it might have been a bit premature to call them deprecated on a different template that didn't call them deprecated!) - Jarry1250 (t, c) 17:30, 26 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Definitely - I quite agree. I've opened up a discussion to deprecate on Infobox Television film's talk. If you could post some appropriate links to the old discussion there, that would be really helpful. - Jarry1250 (t, c) 17:35, 26 January 2009 (UTC)

Re:Lifetime Reply
Lifetime template was considered for deletion on 2008 May 22. The result of the discussion was keep. Therefore,　I added Lifetime template.. This edit is stopped until there is a consensus building. -- KANE  SUE  12:34, 1 February 2009 (UTC) My English may be inappropriate, because I am Japanese. If you discover a mistake, I want you to correct it.

Edit summeries
Sorry about that. I usually intend to add a summary, but always seem to forget about it anyway. I'll try and add them in the future. Darthdyas (talk) 02:09, 5 February 2009 (UTC)

Article issues
Yes you would need something like


 * Rich Farmbrough, 18:13 5 February 2009 (UTC).

Nancy Landry
You wrote you were moving Category:Place of birth missing (living people), but you didn't move the category, you deleted it. Would you please reinstate it? Thanks. Hekerui (talk) 23:54, 5 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Oh, I see, you put it on the talk page. Is this how it's officially done? Okay. Hekerui (talk) 23:56, 5 February 2009 (UTC)
 * I just got your message lol Hekerui (talk) 23:57, 5 February 2009 (UTC)
 * I am doing in two steps: First I add it in the talk page (message:Adding...) and then I delete it from the article (message:Moving...). All these categories (except from Year of...) must be placed in the talk pages. -- Magioladitis (talk) 23:58, 5 February 2009 (UTC)
 * I figured that out by myself, but you're very fast in answering so you answered before I could write that I understand. Hekerui (talk) 00:00, 6 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Du hast Recht - das ist mein letzter Eintrag dazu, versprochen! :D lg Hekerui (talk) 00:03, 6 February 2009 (UTC)

Two Questions — Curiosity, not Criticism
Why is it important to explicitly state living=no? I understand the need for living=yes, blp is a very sensitive issue.

Why did you decide to implement the movement of administrative categories off the main space to the Talk page after 15 months of no activity and no apparent harm? (I personally believe that the "consensus" to move the categories was an instance of "If 50,000 Frenchmen say a foolish thing, it is still a foolish thing" and analogous to the geocentric theory of the universe.) That is to say, no one else had taken on the task of mucking up the talk pages, why did you start to do it?
 * JimCubb (talk) 04:03, 6 February 2009 (UTC)

Hi. For "living=no" you can find answers in Template_talk:WPBiography/Archive_3 and in User:Kingbotk. The result of the short discussion held was that "living=no" should be added, so everybody know that the parameter has been dealt. If the parameter was missing I would go and check if I am dealing with a blp. Kingbotk has been doing the job long before me.

For the other issues you can check discussion in here and in there. The main idea is that an article is complete without place of birth, date of birth, etc. This information just adds to the article.

I think the main question you have to ask is what are we going to do with Category:Year of birth unknown and Category:Year of death unknown! There are intended for use on discussion pages but I have the impression that I go and move them there I'll start an edit war. This is the reason I am not dealing with them yet. -- Magioladitis 06:33, 6 February 2009 (UTC)

I have added living=yes to more pages than should have been necessary. I am actually pleased about the reason for living =no. Reducing confusion is always a good thing.

As with a number of issues I disagree that an article about a person is complete without some information about date and place of birth. If the information is not available the person is not sufficiently notable to have an article. If this were an additional criterion for notability thousands of one-sentence bios could be deletion, mainly professional sports people. (I have added the listas parameter to too many soccer players whose talk page was larger than their biography.)

Thank you for the information.
 * JimCubb (talk) 02:50, 7 February 2009 (UTC)

Does your note mean that living=no and blp=no are no longer necessary? I still want to get groups of any kind out of WP Biog but persons should either be living or not, correct?
 * JimCubb (talk) 20:29, 20 April 2009 (UTC)

Got it! Is some one working on the blp problem?
 * JimCubb (talk) 20:40, 20 April 2009 (UTC)

Shouldn't the blp parameter perform the same as the living parameter? From a selfish standpoint I like the idea of typing fewer characters when I apply WPBS to a dead person.
 * JimCubb (talk) 20:47, 20 April 2009 (UTC)

It appears that, after a period of neglect, at least one person is working on the Bios without a living parameter. It also appears that new pages are being added as quickly as old ones are being removed. I wish a concerted effort go be applied to those pages as is being applied to the pages without a listas parameter.
 * JimCubb (talk) 21:03, 20 April 2009 (UTC)

Isn't that another reason for not including groups of people in the project? Everytime a musician dies some poor editor will have to go through every group in which the musician played and check each group for surviving members to determine if the group is living or not. This could become a pain in the butt very quickly.

If have asked the admin who put the backlog tag on the listas problem category to do the same to the living problem category. It really helped with the listas problem. (I am trying to avoid thinking about how many pages that have a listas parameter have a wrong parameter. There are 457 pages after "Z".)
 * JimCubb (talk) 21:24, 20 April 2009 (UTC)

After I saw what happened after the backlog tag was put on the missing listas category it seemed like the smart thing to do. Once the missing listas and missing living categories are empty I will ad them to my list of pages to check as soon as I log in. Actually, since I never log out, I have the DEFAULTSORT comflict page bookmarked and start there. I then move to the "importance should be priority" category. Then I go to the missing listas category. I will catch the new missing listas and missing living pages when it becomes easy to do so. Then I will skimm the pages that have a listas parameter to look for the ones that are out of place. I know I will find pages like Ptolemy I Soter that had the listas parameter set to "Soter, Ptolemy I". I also know that when I find a series of such pages the change will have been made so long ago that the offending editor will not even remember making it. The editor will certainly not be willing to correct the errors. I have hit that brick wall too many times to assume acceptance of personal responsibility.
 * JimCubb (talk) 22:08, 20 April 2009 (UTC)

Template:1911 talk
Hi, what's going on with Template:1911 talk? The deletion discussion outcome was to delete, but the Template is still there. Secondly, why is there nothing in the Template's edit History which indicates that there was ever a deletion template added to it? The last edit to the Template was back in January. Who then was a gentleman? (talk) 01:00, 10 February 2009 (UTC)
 * The template will be deleted as soon as I orphaned it. -- Magioladitis (talk) 01:04, 10 February 2009 (UTC)

Oh, thanks, I thought something wrong had happened. See, we newbies make newbie mistakes. Thanks for replying. Who then was a gentleman? (talk) 01:05, 10 February 2009 (UTC)
 * No problem. The procedure I'll follow is the same: First ensure that for all talk pages with the 1911 talk template the corresponding article has the 1911, then remove the 1911 talk template from all talk pages and then delete it. The procedure will finish in the next 24 hours. -- Magioladitis (talk) 01:08, 10 February 2009 (UTC)

Marissa Moore
Hello! Please reconsider as I have found a number of sources and have begun revising the article accordingly. Thanks! Sincerely, --A NobodyMy talk 18:25, 10 February 2009 (UTC)

Iran Nonproliferation Act of 2000
Hi. I just noticed that you speedy deleted this page back in October because you considered it to be "‎R3: Recent redirect from implausible typo, link, or misnomer". As implausible as you might think it to be, the Act does in fact exist. Check it out here. Please restore the page. Thanks.--Cdogsimmons (talk) 01:11, 11 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Hi. I didn't delete the article, which by the way, still exists. I deleted a redirect that had quotes. Quotes should not be used that way. -- Magioladitis (talk) 01:31, 11 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Oh. Good. Thanks.--Cdogsimmons (talk) 01:46, 11 February 2009 (UTC)

Lifetime
My bad. I read about the template, but I guess I didn't finish reading the whole page. Thanks for letting me know. JohnnyPolo24 (talk) 14:44, 11 February 2009 (UTC)
 * No problem. This template is widely misused. Happy editing. You are doing great job with gnome edits. -- Magioladitis (talk) 14:52, 11 February 2009 (UTC)

Cyclone3
Hello there, if I understand this correctly, You're the last in line of the Cyclone3 deletion process. If not, please hint me to someone who is :)

I'm a bit confused by the reasoning for the Cyclone3 article deletion. I'm not really persuaded that this framework is not notable. There's too many of CMS frameworks and systems in PHP on Wikipedia that are far less notable, whilst providing nothing special. Cyclone3 is as far as I know the only framework that is opensource, and joins together Perl and XUL to provide an expert solution for basically anything. From what I see, it's the second and last Perl-based system that's (well, was, atm) noted in Wikipedia. Is there any reason to NOT let people know, that there actually ARE systems that don't use PHP?

If there are any reasons other than "notability" for deletion, I'm not aware of them, the notability-lack is the only reason I've found. What can be done to undelete the article and put it back where it belongs? Thank you. --Deb00t (talk) 19:31, 11 February 2009 (UTC)


 * Hi. Yes, I am the one who deleted. You found me. :) Well, the reason I deleted was that the AfD was open for 10 days, none wrote anything against the nomination, two editors said there are notability issues, they are many of CMS frameworks and systems in PHP and a small google search didn't give me anything notable. Moreover, WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS is not a reason to keep. Neither that 2-3 pages so it. So, what can we do now? a) I can restore the article in a subpage in your userspace, where you can edit it, improve it and after you have fond better references, you can reuploaded in the mainspace and see what happens. b) You can address to the Deletion review and request undeletion. There more administrators can write their opinions. I'm sorry, but I can't just undelete an article that was deleted via AfD. I could do it if it was a PROD. Thanks, Magioladitis (talk) 20:11, 11 February 2009 (UTC)

TFD assistance
I need some help manipulating the Feb 12 log. I am added a couple of similar templates that should increase the volume of traffic on the discussion.--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:CHICAGO/WP:LOTM) 04:41, 12 February 2009 (UTC)

1911 tag
Hi...just letting you know that I have finished adding the tag to all appropriate pages. -- Eastlaw  talk ⁄ contribs 22:35, 13 February 2009 (UTC)

Grand Rapids, Michigan
Dear Magioladitis, please see my comments in the discussion page of that article. Thanks you. 7&amp;6=thirteen (talk) 01:55, 15 February 2009 (UTC) Stan

Smackbot needs adjustment.
Edits like this one, where no date tag was added, IMHO, should be avoided. Smackbot is now forced to edit every single article. Can you adjust this in order Smackbot is not case sensitive? -- Magioladitis (talk) 00:58, 15 February 2009 (UTC)
 * "Date" is not a valid parameter name for the template. Rich Farmbrough, 15:19 16 February 2009 (UTC).

BD template substitutions
Your recent set of AWB-assisted substitutions of the BD template for DEFAULTSORT wasn't flawless. It seems to have snagged on a prior occurrence of the characters "BD" within an article, as evidenced by this edit. &mdash;ADavidB 10:35, 19 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Thanks, I noticed it. It's being fixed. -- Magioladitis (talk) 10:36, 19 February 2009 (UTC)

Why aren't you substituting BD with Template:Lifetime instead of the categories? Several people, including myself, are making Lifetime-templates out of biographies with only DEFAULTSORT... lil2mas (talk) 21:01, 19 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Check discussion in Template talk:Lifetime and write your opinion as well, please. -- Magioladitis (talk) 21:54, 19 February 2009 (UTC)
 * I have now written my opinion on the issue. lil2mas (talk) 23:06, 24 February 2009 (UTC)

I was just curious as to why Yobot is subst'ing BD. Guettarda (talk) 16:03, 22 February 2009 (UTC)
 * There is a discussion in Template talk:Lifetime. -- Magioladitis (talk) 00:10, 23 February 2009 (UTC)
 * I have not read that discussion, but this should not be done as long as the template documentation reads: "Please, don't replace DEFAULTSORT, xxxx births, yyyy deaths with this template. There is no consensus for this action." __meco (talk) 22:22, 24 February 2009 (UTC)
 * I'm having to arrest myself for speeding here. I seem to have a reversed perception of what took place here. I still think it is ill-advised though to set a bot to do this. It does appear to be controversial as it effectively marginalizes the Lifetime template. __meco (talk) 22:33, 24 February 2009 (UTC)

AWB Page Maintenance/Cleanup
Thanks! :)

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Smile!
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A NobodyMy talk has smiled at you! Smiles promote WikiLove and hopefully this one has made your day better. Spread the WikiLove by smiling at someone else, whether it be someone you have had disagreements with in the past or a good friend, Go on smile! Cheers, and Happy editing! Smile at others by adding {{subst:Smile}} to their talk page with a friendly message.

Rules for bd/category living people
Hi, I sometimes see people sticking BD in instead of categories and then I see Yobot sticking in categories instead of BD. I'm very confused. Is this talked about somewhere? like what is the best thing? Alio The Fool 17:18, 26 February 2009 (UTC)
 * ok. I think that then all the bds should be changed to default sort and the bd thing deleted because theres no reason to keep it. Alio The Fool 17:35, 26 February 2009 (UTC)
 * It's still confusing to me because some people still are changing it to bd/lifetime. Alio The Fool 22:34, 3 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Well, they shouldn't. I tried to notify many of them. Changes to bd have dramatically dropped down after substitutions. (It's not even in the documentation so people are ignoring it). Lifetime is still high. Some people think they understand the policy. I had the same problem with people keep adding categories in mainspace while they should be doing it in talk pages (for example Category:Date of birth missing). -- Magioladitis (talk) 22:50, 3 April 2009 (UTC)
 * One person has already been notified. -- Magioladitis (talk) 22:55, 3 April 2009 (UTC)
 * http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Leonard_Zhakata&action=history Big problem. A lot of people doing it all over. Thats just one article that I nominated for deletion and someone screwed up the categories because they don't know the right categories to use and they're using Lifetime. Alio The Fool 00:33, 5 April 2009 (UTC)

Since the specific editor added it in an article that didn't have any categories, they isn't a lot we can do. They should subst it but there is no consensus pro or against any method yet. People must not replace already existed categories. Ok, I now it's confusing but there was lack of will to reach a better consensus until now. Let me summarise it a bit:
 * People should not replace yob/yod categories with lifetime
 * In new articles use the method you like more (I think you sense the problem in this temporary decision). The methods are:
 * Directly add DEFAULTSORT and the categories
 * Add Lifetime using subst
 * Add Lifetime
 * BD has always to be substituted (no similar consensus for Lifetime yet). A bot is doing this job every 3-4 days.

-- Magioladitis (talk) 07:57, 5 April 2009 (UTC)

Yobot "error"
I hesitate to call this a real error but Yobot just added the WPBio template to Talk:Haraldskær Woman when the article is not a bio. Just an FYI. – ukexpat (talk) 14:48, 27 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the heads up. The tag was added because of the Category:500 BC deaths found on the article's page. This is the first false positive of this kind I ever encountered. -- Magioladitis (talk) 15:35, 27 February 2009 (UTC)

Filmbio actor templates
Hi. In general, there is not an issue at all with combining WPBiography templates on talk pages, but very occasionally, there's a good reason why separate templates, such as musician and actor bios like Michael Jackson or James Brown. They are probably indisputedly biographies of top priority for WP Musician, but WP:ACTOR determines the top priority articles by consensus and is strictly limited to 100 articles. Neither of those two qualify as biographies of actors that are of top priority and at present, there is no other way to designate differing priority for them in a combined template. You likely won't find that very often, although it seems to creep up on the Jackson page a bit. Just wanted to let you know. Thanks. Wildhartlivie (talk) 08:58, 6 March 2009 (UTC)

William H. Mumler
What policy page are you basing that on? The lifetime template, intended for article space, allows for the unknown year of birth category... J Milburn (talk) 23:02, 6 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Ok, good, thanks for the clarification. J Milburn (talk) 19:03, 7 March 2009 (UTC)

Error
Just found an incorrect edit by this bot back in January. Can you reassure me that this was a one-off or could there be hundreds like this? Thanks, &mdash; Martin (MSGJ · talk) 09:45, 9 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Back in January Yobot removed many deprecated templates. I cheched and the problem is only in Grocers talk. There were at about 40 occurrences of this template. I fixed the problem in many talk pages. Thanks. -- Magioladitis (talk) 09:55, 9 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Okay I am reassured :) Thanks, &mdash; Martin (MSGJ · talk) 09:58, 9 March 2009 (UTC)

Baronets
You seem to be doing User_talk:Erik9bot ??? Kittybrewster <font color="0000FF">&#9742;  21:30, 9 March 2009 (UTC)
 * It is terrific. Should I delete the request from Erik9bot? Kittybrewster <font color="0000FF">&#9742;  21:41, 9 March 2009 (UTC)

I'm not sure what these changes actually did, but it's hidden all of the banner templates so that they're completely inaccessible to readers and editors. Can you help? —  pd_THOR  undefined | 04:50, 11 March 2009 (UTC)

I am just using Kingbotk plugin. I don't know how that happened and it's the first time I encounter something like this. Better report the bug in User talk:Kingbotk/Plugin. Thanks, Magioladitis (talk) 18:25, 11 March 2009 (UTC)

I reported the bug and I proposed a fix. My bot's edit didn't make things worse, it just didn't fix the template completely. Thanks for reporting -- Magioladitis (talk) 15:22, 12 March 2009 (UTC)

Glitched again. —  pd_THOR  undefined | 19:05, 18 March 2009 (UTC)

The problem is caused by editors adding blp wrongfully. I proposed a fix in bith AWB and KingbotK plugin to deal with these problems in the future. Yobot is adding blp in WPBS and living=yes to Talk pages of living individuals. The reason we have both living=yes and blp=yes is discussed in the Talk page of the Wikiproject Biography. It was agreed that this is a way to a) verify that the article was really checked that it's referring to a living person and b) to avoid problem when WPBS is removed and the individual banners remain. -- Magioladitis (talk) 19:12, 18 March 2009 (UTC)

Yobot on FAs
Re this, I think that the WikiProject Biography details should most definitely not take precedence over the fact that an article is of Featured quality. Perhaps there's an argument for the BLP warnings appearing at the top, but there's no justification for the WikiProject banner taking precedence. --Dweller (talk) 12:10, 12 March 2009 (UTC)
 * For that matter, there's no argument for WP Biog taking precedence over the Cricket WikiProject either, especially as it's the latter that did the work to get the article to FA. --Dweller (talk) 12:11, 12 March 2009 (UTC)

Kingbotk places automatically WPBiopgraphy on the top, mainly because of the blp warning and secondly for the listas parameter. -- Magioladitis (talk) 14:54, 12 March 2009 (UTC)
 * You need to take responsibility for your own edits. It is not sufficient to say "Kingbotk does it this way". And to direct people querying your edits to make a bug report about the AWB plugin is unbelievable! Each edit your bot makes must be accountable for otherwise the bot must be stopped. In this case I agree that the edits were not appropriate. &mdash; Martin (MSGJ · talk) 15:11, 12 March 2009 (UTC)

What I meant is exactly this. WPBiography has to go on the top on the 99% of the cases and that's the reason the plugin does it. The bot has less than 0.01% false positives. (I have 2-3 reports in tenths of thousands of edits). This kind of mass edits helps bots, plugins, programs to get better. -- Magioladitis (talk) 15:17, 12 March 2009 (UTC)
 * The WP Biography header should be adapted to split the two parts. It's inappropriate for WP Biog to be above FA box. Please could you take this up. --Dweller (talk) 16:51, 12 March 2009 (UTC)
 * I'll report this in KingbotK. Is there any discussion/consensus for that? -- Magioladitis (talk) 16:54, 12 March 2009 (UTC)
 * So far, just my opinion. I posted at Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Biography but I hardly expect overwhelming support in that forum! --Dweller (talk) 17:03, 12 March 2009 (UTC)

Saw this posted at the Biography project. Is there an actual requirement for the BLP notice to go at the very top of a talk page, and is it necessary for the banner to go top for the listas parameter to work properly? I am not aware that either is the case, though to be fair I am also not aware of any formal requirement for the FA box to go above banners (though I agree that that's how it should be). The actual order in which banners are placed is trivial in the extreme, regardless of who did what and the perceived relevance of each project. PC78 (talk) 17:23, 12 March 2009 (UTC)

I think it's time we form a WP:LAYOUT policy for talk pages as well. How can we start a centralised discussion? My talk page is not the perfect place for something like that. -- Magioladitis (talk) 17:32, 12 March 2009 (UTC)

Yobot tagging redirects
Should Yobot be tagging redirects like this Talk:Julián de Guzmán?--SaskatchewanSenator (talk) 16:48, 12 March 2009 (UTC)

I am fixing this manually in every opportunity. This is caused because the article is not a redirect but the talk page is due to incomplete move or other reasons (in this instance the article was moved after the list was created). -- Magioladitis (talk) 16:51, 12 March 2009 (UTC)

In the future Yobot will automatically skip a page if it is a redirect. -- Magioladitis (talk) 21:25, 12 March 2009 (UTC)

Frances Lennon
Can you explain the reason for your recent addition to the Frances Lennon talk page regarding biographies of living persons, stating that "Controversial material about living persons that is unsourced or poorly sourced must be removed immediately, especially if potentially libellous" what exactly is it on that page that you feel is controversial, poorly sourced or potentially libel.User:greg78uk (talk) 21:14, 16 March 2009 (UTC)
 * This is a standard template added to the talk page of all living individuals to prevent the addition of "controversial material about living persons that is unsourced or poorly sourced must be removed immediately, especially if potentially libellous". -- Magioladitis (talk) 22:41, 16 March 2009 (UTC)

Happy Saint Patrick’s Day!
On behalf of the Kindness Campaign, we just want to spread WikiLove by wishing you a Happy Saint Patrick’s Day! Sincerely, --A NobodyMy talk 16:13, 17 March 2009 (UTC)

Claude Juste Alexandre Legrand duplicate article
Help! The recently created Claude Juste Alexandre Legrand article is a duplicate of an earlier Claude Legrand article. The picture in the new article is nice, but the older article has much more information. Some sort of merge is indicated. I am a frequent article writer but I'm not sure who to talk to or what needs to be done about this situation. Thanks. Djmaschek (talk) 01:34, 20 March 2009 (UTC)

Consequent link?
Hi, I'm puzzled by this edit summary: "consequent link have to be avoided, if possible". Please would you explain here? - Fayenatic (talk) 21:09, 23 March 2009 (UTC)

I meant "one after the other" :S Manual of Style reads: "If possible, avoid placing two links next to each other in the text so they look like a single link, as in film actress (film actress). Consider rephrasing the sentence, omitting one of the links, or using a single more specific link instead." -- Magioladitis (talk) 21:29, 23 March 2009 (UTC)


 * Ah, I get it now–"consequent" as in "consecutive" and "subsequent" at the same time! :-) Thanks, I hadn't read that guideline before, but it makes sense. - Fayenatic (talk) 10:42, 24 March 2009 (UTC)

Moving cat from X to Talk:X, or just adding it to Talk:X?
In this edit, as for at least one other I've noticed, your bot said that it was m (Moving Category:Year of birth unknown from article to talk page, where it should be. Please read instructions. using AWB); however, there was no corresponding removal of the category from the article. This seems odd. -- Hoary (talk) 11:20, 24 March 2009 (UTC)
 * I am loading a list of about 300 articles and the bot is working in two phases. In the first it adds the category in the talk page of all the articles and in the second it's removing it from the article page. This is the easiest and faster way to do it when using AWB. -- Magioladitis (talk) 12:07, 24 March 2009 (UTC)

OK, but then you may wish to have its summary read something like m (Adding Category:Year of birth unknown (in article) to talk page, using AWB; will soon return to remove it from article). -- Hoary (talk) 12:52, 24 March 2009 (UTC)

Yobot
I have blocked Yobot because of edits like this - it was removing the category from the talk page, despite saying it was moving the category to the talk page. Once this is fixed, the bot can be unblocked by any admin without further reference to me. BencherliteTalk 12:26, 24 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Fixed. I forgot to switch to article pages for phase two. -- Magioladitis (talk) 12:30, 24 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Fine, glad it's sorted. Regards, BencherliteTalk 12:33, 24 March 2009 (UTC)
 * This is my first block :( -- Magioladitis (talk) 12:34, 24 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Apologies for breaking your clean record, but <offers small crumb of comfort> at least being blocked prevented the bot from making even more of a mess to be cleaned up later. (I hadn't spotted before blocking that the bot's userpage says to edit its talkpage to stop it running.  However, the talkpage (to which I went first) redirects to yours!) BencherliteTalk 12:40, 24 March 2009 (UTC)
 * An edit to Yobot's talk page would alert AWB and the bot would stop immediately. But, it's ok, I am glad that you noticed the mistake so quickly and prevented me by doing double work to a batch of 500 articles. I'll write a more clear message to Yobot's page that people must edit the page even if it is a redirect. Thanks. -- Magioladitis (talk) 12:45, 24 March 2009 (UTC)
 * And the link in the box at the top could be edit the talk page, or something like that, to bypass the redirect. BencherliteTalk 12:53, 24 March 2009 (UTC)


 * On a vaguely related note... the edit summary for these edits is "Moving Category:Year of birth unknown from article to talk page, where it should be. Please read instructions. using AWB."
 * I've been seeing a lot of these on my watchlist, and the "please read instructions" bit is quite annoying. Most of these categories have been in articles for ages - long before the instructions were added in December - and it's a bit irritating to constantly see a message which seems to be telling people off for going against instructions that weren't there!
 * If you could rephrase this to something a little less blunt, it'd be great... Shimgray | talk | 14:18, 24 March 2009 (UTC)
 * I changed it to "...per instructions in category's talk page". Any better suggestions? -- Magioladitis (talk) 14:19, 24 March 2009 (UTC)
 * That sounds good, thanks. Sorry for the trouble, this is just me being a little touchy :-) Shimgray | talk | 14:40, 24 March 2009 (UTC)

cat: YD missing
Per : if you are saying that these4 categories are for talk pages, then put them there, not just delete them here. - 7-bubёn >t 21:27, 24 March 2009 (UTC)

This is also a redirect you are talking about. -- Magioladitis (talk) 21:31, 24 March 2009 (UTC)

Adding biographical headers to fictional characters
Your robot seems to be adding biographical headers to fictional characters like Black Knight (comics) and Black Knight (Sir Percy), as well as a fictional location Avalon (Marvel Comics)‎. I doubt this is some new initiative and it might be worth checking on other recent edits. (Emperor (talk) 18:54, 28 March 2009 (UTC))
 * You are also adding the biography tag to castles, books, villages, swords, and forests. Please stop your bot to discuss this before it gets blocked. Thanks. -- zzuuzz (talk) 18:58, 28 March 2009 (UTC)
 * It has just added the biography banner to Cadbury Castle, Somerset & Chalice Well neither of which are people - something is going wrong.&mdash; Rod talk 19:09, 28 March 2009 (UTC)
 * OK. Yobot has stooped. Problem found Category:Arthurian characters is under Category:6th-century rulers. Yobot went into subcategories of Category:6th-century rulers. -- Magioladitis (talk) 19:09, 28 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Thanks for stopping. I was going to say, articles such as Dubris, Caledonian Forest, Bodmin Moor, and Battlefield (Doctor Who) would be typical of the problem. -- zzuuzz (talk) 19:13, 28 March 2009 (UTC)
 * I think that Arthurian legend is misplaced. I've been running to xx-century people since morning with no problems. I made a list with the errors and I'll start reverting immediately. Always remember to first stop bot by adding a message to its talk page before reporting. This reduces the errors produced. -- Magioladitis (talk) 19:15, 28 March 2009 (UTC)
 * All errors were fixed. I apologise for the mistake. I still think the category is placed. It has to go under 6th century but not under 6th-century people. -- Magioladitis (talk) 19:56, 28 March 2009 (UTC)
 * This edit was the source of the error. I removed the wrong subcategorisation. -- Magioladitis (talk) 20:53, 28 March 2009 (UTC)
 * A quick note that I've just removed the biographical header from the fictional character Amadis de Gaula - apparently, one of this batch which hadn't been reverted since. PWilkinson (talk) 17:43, 23 April 2009 (UTC)

Category:10th-century rulers, People sorting

 * should not add articles by hand!

Well, I am adding them with HotCat, but I am open to better ideas. For example I have a seaveral requests out for BOT help on... Would you be able to help? -- Carlaude (talk) 10:53, 31 March 2009 (UTC)
 * 1) Adding articles to categories from list(s), such as here but I have more ready to post most any time.
 * 2) Sorting articles to finish creating such lists here. (See also here.) This would be a big help most of all since I have already developed the non-date infomation for all these people.

I apologise for the confusing edit summary. What you should do is to add the category to the articles using HotCat. Not add the articles in the category. Create a list of what is to be done and I may be able to help you. -- Magioladitis (talk) 11:21, 31 March 2009 (UTC)


 * Thanks, I'll work on that.
 * BTW-- my seeming list of the articles on the category page, was tempory and just articles I need to go back to for that project. -- Carlaude (talk) 21:54, 31 March 2009 (UTC)
 * You can create a subpage under your User page. Read Subpages for that purpose. -- Magioladitis (talk) 22:06, 31 March 2009 (UTC)

Felicia Tilman
This is a request for the revert of the profile of Felicia Tilman to a singular profile, rather than a merged profile. The character is very notable and popular within Desperate Housewives and therefore has a lot of background information which is vital for the character's own story, but impossible to fit in to a merged profile as it would appear too extensive. I therefore request that this change be made as the character aided a large amount of the plot and does hold great notability within the show.

It should also be noted that characters such as Danielle Katz had their own profiles. This is an example of singular profiles for characters who have both left the show {like Felicia Tilman}, and who have had a more smaller involvement in plot developments within the show. —Preceding unsigned comment added by EEMM1991 (talk • contribs) 22:45, 1 April 2009 (UTC)


 * Please create a subpage in your userspace and try to establish notability by adding real world information, interviews, articles from newspapers, references from mass media, etc. As soon as you have an good version of the article you can put it in the place of the merge. The article is protected for a week to avoid edit warring. If you have any questions please don't hesitate to ask me. -- Magioladitis (talk) 23:16, 1 April 2009 (UTC)

Johann Peter Beaulieu
Thanks for taking care of the Claude Legrand situation. Unfortunately, Neddyseagoon has again duplicated an article I wrote, though this time my article Johann Peter Beaulieu was only around 3 weeks before the duplicate Johann von Beaulieu was created. This time the duplicate article has only 2 lines. I just added birth and death dates and places, from a new source, to the original article. I sent Neddyseagoon a (I hope) tactful note asking him to do a careful search before creating a new article. Who is responsible for deleting superfluous articles such as Johann von Beaulieu? Thank you. Djmaschek (talk) 04:46, 3 April 2009 (UTC)
 * I'll fix that. You can always read Help:Merging and moving pages. When you locate duplicate articles, it is recommended to add mergeto template or in the case is just an exact copy of the original one you can request deletion. This one is not the case. I think we can just redirect it to the article you created noting that this is an alternative spelling of the same person. -- Magioladitis (talk) 08:06, 3 April 2009 (UTC)

Yobot tagging architecture as biography
I noticed that your bot tagged Hassan Tower, Chellah, Torre del Oro, and Giralda as biography pages when they are buildings, not people.--Bkwillwm (talk) 16:42, 4 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Thanks for reporting. The articles are under Category:Almohad dynasty which turns out that contains not only biographies. I fixed the rest. Thanks, Magioladitis (talk) 17:23, 4 April 2009 (UTC)

your AWB bug
Hi, I need an answer from you to be able to resolve your AWB bug. Thanks Rjwilmsi  20:30, 6 April 2009 (UTC)

Yobot and living= params
Yobot is having a hard time handling the living= parameter at as the article is about two people, one deceased and one living. I know there aren't a whole lot of articles about multiple people, so I'm not surprised the bot is confused, but I have a mini heart attack every time, thinking poor Phyllis must have passed on. I thought of adding a nobots tag, but I don't see Yobot in Category:Wikipedia bots which are exclusion compliant, so I suspect that wouldn't have any effect. Can you help? Maralia (talk) 17:20, 7 April 2009 (UTC)
 * OK. No problem. I'll add the article in my "false positives" list. It's only the second article with this problem. Thanks for reporting. -- Magioladitis (talk) 17:50, 7 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Thanks for handling this so quickly :) Maralia (talk) 17:55, 7 April 2009 (UTC)


 * I just undid several of your automated edits, and I'm letting you know in case you haven't watchlisted them. cygnis insignis 17:27, 8 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Thanks. Yobot should not enter Category:Robert Brown (botanist). I made a check to all the subategories of Category:18th-century birth but it seems I missed that one. -- Magioladitis (talk) 18:20, 8 April 2009 (UTC)


 * You did it again. If it helps, I expect any author's category would contain just one applicable article. Regards, cygnis insignis 18:05, 9 April 2009 (UTC)
 * I think I found the source of the problem this time. This is the only category contained in year and death categories. The article should be there and not the whole category itself. I apologise from my error once more. I hope I won't repeat it. -- Magioladitis (talk) 18:22, 9 April 2009 (UTC)

The WikiProject Greece April 2009 newsletter
The April 2009 issue of the WikiProject Greece newsletter has been published. You may read the newsletter, change the format in which future issues will be delivered to you, or unsubscribe from this notification by following the link. Thank you.--Yannismarou (talk) 02:20, 11 April 2009 (UTC)

Yobot error
Seems that Yobot made an error here, where it moved the BLP parameter to the result of a move request from over a year ago. A bit confusing there. —  Σ xplicit  22:05, 11 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Weird indeed. I reported it in User talk:Kingbotk/Plugin. -- Magioladitis (talk) 22:15, 11 April 2009 (UTC)

Christian saint & martyr categories

 * Per your offer, I have created a list of all the updates to the Christian saint & martyr categories. Can you get a bot to add & remove the listed articles from the particular categories.
 * They are at User:Carlaude/Notes
 * User:Carlaude/Notes#1 (ignore)
 * User:Carlaude/Notes (martyrs to add)
 * User:Carlaude/Notes (saints and venerated to add)
 * User:Carlaude/Notes (saints and martyrs to remove)
 * Let me know if there is any trouble. If a category cannot be found to be removed it is probally because I already removed it while compling the list, etc.-- Carlaude (talk) 05:56, 13 April 2009 (UTC)

Great job. I am on it but. I already filled out an official request to get approval. Check Bots/Requests for approval/Yobot 7. -- Magioladitis (talk) 08:03, 13 April 2009 (UTC)


 * Cool.
 * If and when you can do this soon (in less than 4 days) I can create the few categories that are not already created. Or I can just create those categories afterward. -- Carlaude (talk) 17:43, 13 April 2009 (UTC)
 * You might want to express your opinion in Bots/Requests for approval/Yobot 7 and explain some things about the categorisation. For example, how did you create the list, why this is important, etc. You are more expert than I am. -- Magioladitis (talk)


 * Awesome job. You are very deserving your new Wikipedia Bot Builder Award. -- Carlaude (talk) 06:55, 22 April 2009 (UTC)
 * I am preparing some more category lists I hope you can help with once they are ready.-- Carlaude (talk) 06:55, 22 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Just tell when they are ready and remember to ring a bell to the corresponding Wikiproject so people are aware of what you are planning to do. -- Magioladitis (talk) 07:09, 22 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Heads up! What you appear to be trying to do is move Category:Religious organizations established in the 14th century and Category:Religious organizations established in the 13th century to Category:Christian monasteries established in the 13th century (for example). This does not seem to have worked for London Charterhouse or Order of Poor Ladies‎. The second, as you can see are nuns, so not in a monastery in any case. There may be others. HTH Kbthompson (talk) 00:01, 16 May 2009 (UTC)
 * What you may not know a monastery is a place for monastics of either gender, whether monks or nuns. The Order of Poor Ladies‎ however, is not a monastery a different reason; it is a Religious order that can be made up of, for example, many monasteries. -- Carlaude (talk) 03:35, 16 May 2009 (UTC)

Yobot tagging living people as dead
Yobot appears to be tagging living people as dead. Examples:  Rami  R  15:57, 13 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Fixed this two. It seems that there Israeli journalists are incorrectly subcategorired somehow. I am looking it. The errors produced should not be that many since I was now tagging articles that were not tagged before in the subcategories of Category:Old Testament people. If you can help locating the problem, I would be thankful. -- Magioladitis (talk) 16:06, 13 April 2009 (UTC)
 * another example, this one isn't a journalist. Also note that the second example isn't Israeli, but rather Syrian. Doesn't the bot produce some sort of subcategory trace log?  Rami R  18:20, 13 April 2009 (UTC)
 * I fixed everything (hopefully) by adding cate:Living people and living=yes, where appropriate. I have a log in the bot's page in which category it was running in which day, to help easy tracing. The rest can be done by the contributions page. The person above is reported as Israeli. -- Magioladitis (talk) 18:32, 13 April 2009 (UTC)
 * But is there a trace of how the bot reached Imanuel Rosen from Category:Old Testament people?  Rami R  18:48, 13 April 2009 (UTC)
 * No, this is a mystery for me right now. I am now looking all today's edits that added "living=no" to talk pages, one-by-one. -- Magioladitis (talk) 18:57, 13 April 2009 (UTC)
 * It seems the list got mixed with another list, which I don't know where it came from. I apologise for the confusion. -- Magioladitis (talk) 19:29, 13 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Problem is located between 15:40 and 15:51 today. I'll fix the rest later. -- Magioladitis (talk) 20:43, 13 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Fixed everything. -- Magioladitis (talk) 22:07, 13 April 2009 (UTC)

Musicalization of Fiction / Intermediality
Hiya,

I'm new to Wikipedia and tried to get a project going in University in which the assignment was to write a wikipedia article. The two articles which have come out of that were both deleted and I would just like to inquire as to what we may have done wrong.

The articles in question are: "Musicalization of Fiction" and "Intermediality"

Cheers! —Preceding unsigned comment added by Twotwentyseven (talk • contribs) 14:05, 16 April 2009 (UTC)

Talkback
–Drilnoth (T • C • L) 21:52, 18 April 2009 (UTC)

Talk:Cormoran
Hi, could you tell me why you deleted Talk:Cormoran please? DuncanHill (talk) 21:01, 20 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Hello? DuncanHill (talk) 22:11, 20 April 2009 (UTC)

I created this page by accident by adding falsely a banner of the Wikiproject biography, so I deleted it. -- Magioladitis (talk) 22:27, 20 April 2009 (UTC)
 * OK, thanks - I couldn't remember if there had been anything on it before. There are a couple of Wikiproject banners which probably should be on it, that's why I thought it might have been a slip. DuncanHill (talk) 22:32, 20 April 2009 (UTC)

April Wine, not a person
Article April Wine - This article frequently gets tagged (usually by bots) in a manner that suggests "April Wine" is a living person, rather than a GROUP of living people. I never quite understand its purpose, but describing a group of people as a "person" just seems very incorrect to me. Is there a way to mark this article in such a way that bots understand that the name "April Wine" refers to a rock group, and not an individual? (i.e. it's defaultsort is equal to its natural default name) -- WikHead (talk) 22:55, 20 April 2009 (UTC)

April Wine is a musical group. So it's under the scope of Wikiproject biography which deal with individuals and groups of them. Since at least one member of the group is alive the talk page has to be tagged with a banner warning editors to respect the policy on biographies of living persons. This is standard procedure of Wikipedia for living persons. -- Magioladitis (talk) 23:02, 20 April 2009 (UTC)

Now I understand what you meant. I resolved the problem with "listas", caused by other editors' falsely semi-automatic edits. -- Magioladitis (talk) 23:04, 20 April 2009 (UTC)


 * Thank you for clearing that up for me :). I guess that means that I can safely delete the reply message I was just about to send you, concerning the listas issue, lol. Thanks again, and have yourself a pleasant day -- WikHead (talk) 23:33, 20 April 2009 (UTC)

Musicalization of Fiction / Intermediality
Hiya,

I'm new to Wikipedia and tried to get a project going in University in which the assignment was to write a wikipedia article. The two articles which have come out of that were both deleted and I would just like to inquire as to what we may have done wrong.

The articles in question are: "Musicalization of Fiction" and "Intermediality"

Thanx.

Twotwentyseven (talk) 12:17, 22 April 2009 (UTC)


 * Twotwentyseven-- Maybe you should say something about why you want to create these articles-- that Wikipedia does not seem to need-- rather than articles Wikipedia does need. -- Carlaude (talk) 19:27, 22 April 2009 (UTC)

Both articles were deleted via prod method. I can recover them if asked and give them a chance to improve or go though a proper AfD. -- Magioladitis (talk) 19:29, 22 April 2009 (UTC)

Minor Yobot bug
Hello! In this edit, Yobot added WPBiography to the talk page of a disambiguation page. It obviously was intended for Talk:Sam Lloyd, which redirected to Talk:Sam Lloyd (disambiguation) because the disambiguation page formerly occupied the title Sam Lloyd. (This was my fault for neglecting to remove the talk page redirect when I moved the pages.) As this sort of situation is fairly common, it would be helpful if Yobot's code were modified to notice when an article's talk page redirects elsewhere, in which case it should check whether that talk page corresponds to another existent (non-redirect) page. (If so, it should replace the redirect with a new talk page instead of tagging the talk page to which the redirect leads.) Thanks! —David Levy 01:17, 25 April 2009 (UTC)


 * Thanks for reporting! To what I have seen so far, this situation is not common. I may have encountered a very few articles among thousands with the same problem and usually I was able to fix them manually. I 'll try to implement your idea. On the other hand keep in mind that Dab pages, can be tagged with Wpbiography. 4,000+ dab pages are tagged with WPBiography banner. What I am doing so far is to have a list with Dab pages that living is set (in 99% of the cases it shouldn't) and check each page manually. Thanks again. -- 04:17, 25 April 2009 (UTC)


 * Thanks for your prompt response!
 * Another possible scenario is one in which an article titled Person's Name is moved to Person's Name (profession) to make room for the article of a more notable person with the same name. Unless and until a new talk page is created at Talk:Person's Name (or other manual intervention occurs}, it will redirect to Talk:Person's Name (profession).  This means that when Yobot attempts to tag the talk page for the article Person's Name, it will instead tag the talk page for the article Person's Name (profession), and the resultant tag will contain no obviously incorrect parameter through which to spot it.  The modification suggested above would prevent this (however uncommon it may be), and I appreciate your efforts to implement it.
 * Thanks again! —David Levy 05:18, 25 April 2009 (UTC)


 * Till now I have two safelocks: The talk page is not edited if the article doesn't exist and the talk page is not edited if it's a redirect. Yobot doesn't follow redirects as well to minimise problems caused by incomplete moves. That's why I say the case above is a rare one. I 'll try to think of something. -- Magioladitis (talk) 10:16, 25 April 2009 (UTC)


 * Oh, I may have misunderstood the situation; I was under the impression that Yobot followed the redirect from Talk:Sam Lloyd to Talk:Sam Lloyd (disambiguation). Was I mistaken?  —David Levy 12:19, 25 April 2009 (UTC)


 * Oh, you are right. I disactivated the skip yesterday by accident. The whole discussion above is nonsense then. Found and fixed. I though the whole discussion for a page being a redirect itself, having yob/yod categories and a talk page as well! (That would be really rare!) Thanks!!! -- Magioladitis (talk) 12:34, 25 April 2009 (UTC)


 * Thank you! —David Levy 12:49, 25 April 2009 (UTC)

Rollback
I accidentally undid your edit to User talk:Jennavecia, but reverted my mistake straight away. Sorry about that and happy editing. Nev1 (talk) 14:07, 25 April 2009 (UTC)

Christian organizations by century established at User:Carlaude/Notes

 * I have created lists of Christian organizations by century at User:Carlaude/Notes. They are currently listed under Religious organizations by century of establishment or subCategories there-of.


 * Can your bot to add & remove the listed articles from the particular categories requested? Let me know if there is any trouble. If and when you can do this soon (in less than 4 days) I can create the categories that are not already created. Or you can or I can just create those categories afterward.


 * I will ring in at Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Christianity in a few minutes. I will also handle the very short lists there at List A by hand once I make the needed categories. Thank you. -- Carlaude (talk) 06:39, 26 April 2009 (UTC)

I can help you with this as soon as you have a confirmation from the Project. After that you have to create the categories by hand. I think it's a better idea to wait so some other editors take a look at it than starting immediately. Leave it for a day of two. -- Magioladitis (talk) 07:00, 26 April 2009 (UTC)


 * Sure.-- Carlaude (talk) 08:47, 26 April 2009 (UTC)

Unless you think there is something else to wait for, I will begin creating all the categories for this, etc, soon. -- Carlaude (talk) 03:10, 29 April 2009 (UTC)
 * I have made these and some of these this evening. Any idea if this is a suitable order to fill the categories in... so I am not to far ahead of you. -- Carlaude (talk) 09:03, 29 April 2009 (UTC)
 * It looks ok to me. We can start filling them with articles I think. Only note that I ll available for 2 more days and then in a week again. -- Magioladitis (talk) 09:10, 29 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Yes, go ahead.
 * I have only created some categories for them but do anything you can when you are ready.-- Carlaude (talk) 09:45, 1 May 2009 (UTC)
 * BTW-- needed to change Category:Christian church congregations established in the 00th century to Category:Church buildings established in the 00th century -- Carlaude (talk) 17:35, 1 May 2009 (UTC)

How is it going? It looks like you have not had a chance to do any yet. Due to questions raised at Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2009 May 4, I have put all the monastery articles in one palce, User:Carlaude/Notes2, and I am asking you will do them next/first. Questions?

church disambig relisting
What on earth is going on, there is discussion at the previous TfD for the church disambig template deletion proposal, and i was just commenting too, and then the entire thread gets deleted by you. I undid your deletion. Generally, the consensus is Keep, by my interpretation. I am not active at TfD usually so i don't know what practice usually is, but it seems unhelpful to delete an open thread and to "relist" by copying it to a new TfD date not on the watchlist of people involved. I see now that you did that, copying all but my new comment there, which strips away the edit history, too. I don't see what "relisting" has to offer. There has been adequate discussion and in my view the closing action should be Keep. What on earth does one have to do to defend a decent template, is it forever subject to relisting? What on earth is your opinion about the template. It just seems lame for u to relist it and prolong something that has been well enough concluded, especially without your own consideration of what has been said. Anyhow, i did Undo your deletion from the previous location. Please discuss, or i will proceed to close the previous discussion as Keep and delete your relisting. doncram (talk) 01:01, 2 May 2009 (UTC)

Yobot - Herbie
On March 14, Yobot added Herbie, an article about a fictional automobile, to WP:BIOGRAPHY. Just thought you should know. Rklear (talk) 03:11, 2 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Looking further, it doesn't appear to be a Yobot problem. Someone else added year of birth and Living people categories to the article. Sorry for the interruption. Rklear (talk) 03:22, 2 May 2009 (UTC)

ChrisO hands out illegal warning
I just got a warning from ChrisO for 'Original Research.' I was editing the list in the Macedonia Name Dispute page and I had just removed a reference used fort he Dutch position as it was a dead link. Then I noticed the two GOVT references on this page: [] both point to Denmark using FYROM or FYR Macedonia yet Denmark was in the list under 'List of countries to be sorted.' I moved Denmark to countries which use FYROM, ChrisO immediately reverted stating you need a source that states how Denmark uses the name, not infer it yourself from a random document. I then informed him, the 'random document were two Danish Govt Pages that were already there as references concerning Denmark and reverted. ChrisO then proceeded to revert and dish me out with an 'Original Research Warning.' This time he changed his story and stated: you are inferring Denmark's position, but the documents you cite do not say anything about whether Denmark recognises the constitutional name or not. This is interesting. Most of the list is made up of Embassy pages using the word Macedonia, and immediately they are on the list, under countries who recognise the Republic of Macedonia. I wonder how many of those editors received warnings from ChrisO? I am going to make this action of ChrisO stick as his behaviour in general has downgraded the neutrality Administrators are supposed to have. Any help on how to make him come to account for this action would be most appreciated. He has put the case down here:[] Reaper7 (talk) 13:58, 2 May 2009 (UTC)

talk

 * Did you read my comments above?-- Carlaude (talk) 19:07, 5 May 2009 (UTC)

Hi. I am sorry I am very busy this week. I can't do anything to help your until weekend. I was planning to write you a message about that. I was on wikipedia only for some minutes between breaks and there is no time for serious work. -- Magioladitis (talk) 06:59, 6 May 2009 (UTC)


 * Are still able to help me with this?
 * Eight categories I created for this project were deleted today as "C1: Empty category". -- Carlaude (talk) 16:42, 14 May 2009 (UTC)

Thanks for all your work here. I have now created all the User:Carlaude/Notes and User:Carlaude/Notes2 project categories except these 3 below.
 * Add to Category:Roman Catholic dioceses and prelatures established in the 17th century
 * Add to Category:Roman Catholic dioceses and prelatures established in the 18th century
 * Add to Category:Roman Catholic dioceses and prelatures established in the 21st century

I will create them again next week (if you do not restore them before) when you expect to have more time. Do not forget all the Christian monasteries categories are waiting at User:Carlaude/Notes2. Let me know if I can help in any other way. -- Carlaude (talk) 06:45, 17 May 2009 (UTC)


 * I would suggest that you add manually (using HotCat) categories in list with less than 10 items. There is not worth loading them in AWB. -- Magioladitis (talk) 08:26, 17 May 2009 (UTC)

Sure. I will empty those as soon as I am able. -- Carlaude (talk) 11:37, 17 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Done. -- Carlaude talk 18:39, 19 May 2009 (UTC)

Neo-Stalinism
I appreciate the feedback at Talk:Neo-Stalinism. I would consider it a keep-worthy article even if in bad form now, but if you'd like to weight in on deleting or keeping Category:Neo-Stalinism and Category:Neo-Stalinist organisations, they're up for discussion here.

Best, PasswordUsername (talk) 20:51, 10 May 2009 (UTC)

Biophys' links
Magioladitis, would you mind taking a look at the revision to Neo-Stalinism? I removed three of Biophys' "references" for the definition of Stalinism on my last edit – (1) and the World Socialist Website (2) don't actually use the term, so we can't use them as sources for defining it. The Jamestown article you added is a dead link (it actually links to something else --(3)) – because these don't even mention the word "neo-Stalinism." (How can they possibly be used as sources for defining it?) I gave an edit summary and explained on the talk page, but he reverted back and warned me that I had already made three revisions... I'd really appreciate it if you could step in, because this false impression of these corraborating sources could actually be used in the category dispute. PasswordUsername (talk) 01:31, 11 May 2009 (UTC)
 * I removed these refs some time ago . There are plenty of others which use the term in a certain sense. No rush. Let's look at sources and fix it.Biophys (talk) 01:48, 11 May 2009 (UTC)

Desperate Housewives characters
Hey there!! I would like to know your opinion about this project I have regarding the character pages on Desperate Housewives. I think that the current list of characters is really long and it is a mess, especially with the lots of redirects and the repeated section names (Immediate family, Season 1 introduced acquaintances, etc.) As the series is not completed yet, new information is being added not only to the current articles but also to the sections in the list of characters. I have also proposed to merge characters like Paul and Zach Young and Betty Applewhite to the list. All of this will eventually get it larger and unreadable.

My proposal is to create 5 pages under the name of "Acquaintances of (the housewife's name)", namely Susan, Lynette, Bree, Gabrielle and Edie. I suggest this as the Wikipage on Notability states that minor characters should be sorted in minor characters' lists. This 5 pages as well as the current list of characters would get a section per character (similar to Characters of Final Fantasy VIII). For this, I also propose to merge more articles of characters that were important only in one season or that are secondary. In my opinion, only Susan, Lynette, Bree, Gabrielle, Edie, Mary Alice, Mike, Carlos, Tom, Orson, Katherine, Andrew, Julie and McCluskey would keep an individual article, the rest (Rex, Danielle, Dave, Betty, Paul, etc.) would be sorted into the lists of acquaintances or into the list. The sum of individual articles and lists of acquaintances plus the list of characters is 20 Desperate Housewives characters related pages.

Nonetheless, I would make several drafts in my user subpages to give your a more clear idea of how this may look like. Greetings! -- LoЯd  ۞pεth  05:26, 15 May 2009 (UTC)

Template:Heroes
Hi, I noticed you removed the pic from the template, and your comment was "pics in templates?" I'm somewhat confused by this comment, since the template has a parameter specifically for images. just64helpin (talk) 13:46, 15 May 2009 (UTC)

I think it's about WP:ICONDECORATION, or not? -- Magioladitis (talk) 19:06, 15 May 2009 (UTC)

Deletion...?
Sorry if this is a dumb question, but if you are an administrator, why are you tagging things for speedy deletion? Why not just delete them if you think they meet the criteria? As an aside, I don't see anything about Diane Yatauro that meets speedy criteria. Just the fact that it was created by someone associated with her doesn't seem like an obvious deletion to me. -- Laser brain  (talk)  22:17, 18 May 2009 (UTC)
 * The article was deleted 3 times and speedily recreated with the same content by the same editor who created it at the very first time and look self-referenced. Still, since I am not 100% that has to be deleted and a second opinion of another administrator can solve this. Never delete if you are not 100% sure. -- Magioladitis (talk) 22:38, 18 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Gotcha. I was just making sure there isn't a rule I missed somewhere. I'm a fairly new admin. Anyway, my opinion is that it's not eligible for speedy. -- Laser brain  (talk)  22:48, 18 May 2009 (UTC)
 * OK. Then you can do one of your first administrator actions by declining my speedy tag. :) As a general rule I am not speedy deleting anything if it hasn't been tagged first unless it's a newly created article. This one is not, that's why I preferred this method. -- Magioladitis (talk) 22:56, 18 May 2009 (UTC)

Nom me?
Hi Magioladitis,

You're an administrator that I feel I have had a good amount of interaction with, so I'm wondering if you would be comfortable nominating me for adminship. I hope that you view our interactions as positive, even despite our current conversation about DefaultsortBot. It's been almost three months since my last RfA, and I feel I've racked up a good amount of knowledge and experience in that time (hopefully I've addressed most of the concerns that the opposers at my last RfA brought up). If you are/aren't comfortable and/or close to it, I'd be happy to answer whatever questions you have, and accept any feedback you're willing to give. I'm looking forward to what you have to say. Thanks, Matt (talk) 04:01, 25 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Thanks! :-) I'll warn you, there haven't been a whole lot of articles that I've contributed significantly to -- about the only one that comes to mind is MG Wallace F. Randolph.  And it's mainly because I feel that I suck at writing articles, otherwise I would.  Matt (talk) 07:49, 25 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Magio -- can you resend the email? I think my ISP is set to block Wikipedia emails.  I just changed and confirmed a new email address in my preferences.  Thanks, Matt (talk) 01:13, 27 May 2009 (UTC)

Will you please tell Michu1945 to stop putting birthdates on the Edie Britt page?
Will you please tell Michu1945 to stop putting birthdates on the Edie Britt page? If he does that one more time, I'm gonna be very, very ticked off. AdamDeanHall (talk) 22:42, 29 May 2009 (UTC)

BLP
I am aware of what BLP stands for and admit I made a mistake, hardly unexpected given the number of articles I've been tagging so that we can deal with the obscene number of completely unsourced articles about football (and living footballers). At least the article is (properly) tagged as unsourced now. <font color="#66CCFF">King of the <font color="#FF0000"> North <font color="#66CCFF">East  22:12, 31 May 2009 (UTC)
 * No problem! I just gave you some heads up. Keep the good work! -- Magioladitis (talk) 22:19, 31 May 2009 (UTC)

Professor Asaduzzaman is dead
Professor Asaduzzaman died on 28 March 2008.

The change by yobot must be considered as vandalism.Cool BD (talk) 03:41, 1 June 2009 (UTC)

Notification
This is a courtesy notification that your name has been brought up at Articles for deletion/JWASM. OrangeDog (τ • ε) 19:27, 25 January 2010 (UTC)

Orphan tag re: Canadian place names of Ukrainian origin
I have added links in six of the 13 Wiki articles listed in the See also section - and in the Chernivtsi, Ivano-Frankivsk, Lviv and Ternopil Oblast pages. Can I now remove the Orphan tag? Thank you for your time. Jwkozak91 (talk) 20:17, 25 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Thanks again for your prompt edit! Jwkozak91 (talk) 20:30, 25 January 2010 (UTC)
 * You did good job by adding internal links. -- Magioladitis (talk) 20:50, 25 January 2010 (UTC)

Y-Bot
Hi! Just to let you know, Y-Bot completely blanked talk:Anna Maria Luisa de' Medici for no reason. -- Jack1755 (talk) 19:13, 26 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Fixed that. Talkheader regex was buggy in previous AWB version. Check Wikipedia talk:AutoWikiBrowser/Bugs/Archive_15 Thanks, Magioladitis (talk) 19:15, 26 January 2010 (UTC)

Edit summary on AWB edits to religious texts project
Your edit summary to the Religious Texts Project reads: "(expanding WikiProject Religious texts to make it reabale, replaced: WPRT2 → WikiProject Religious texts using AWB)" I think by "reabale" you mean readable. I doubt this is a big deal if I am correct but I wanted to give you a heads up. Supertouch (talk) 13:48, 27 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Thanks for reporting! (I think) I corrected now. :) -- Magioladitis (talk) 13:56, 27 January 2010 (UTC)

Cheeseburger Brown
Why have you deleted this? He is not only a self-published author but a published author both in magazine and book, current and in the past, for over TEN YEARS now. After seeing this deleted I have spent time looking through MANY other wiki entries of bands and writers who have garnered FAR less media attention then he (The Darth Side for example was featured on 2 television programmes, radio interviews and in magazines in New Zealand, Singapore and the united states and Canada with millions of readers) Is there some sort of personal issue here? I have been asked by fans numerous times why there is no wiki entry for Cheeseburger. Your statement "Self-published author. No sign of notice by the world at large except minor ones.'" is false. He is not only a self-published author, (although it is true there are more of the self-published books), and it seems to me that what you mean is no sign of notice by YOU, the world at large has noticed him a great deal through the years. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.239.102.163 (talk) 22:23, 28 January 2010 (UTC)
 * If you want I can undelete it and send it for an AfD (Articles for Deletion) discussion where you can express your opinion. -- Magioladitis (talk) 22:59, 28 January 2010 (UTC)

Request restoration
Hey M - I saw  you recently speedily deleted "Senator, you're no Jack Kennedy" and "Read my lips: no new taxes" under reason R3; since that CSD requires that the redirect be a typo or misnomer, and I don't see how either of those redirects are typos or misnomers, could you please restore them both, at least so there could be discussion at RfD prior to deletion? Thanks, UnitedStatesian (talk) 22:41, 29 January 2010 (UTC)
 * The both are redirects with quotes to articles with the same name without quotes. There is a consensus of not having this kind or redirects. In the past I sent to RfD tenths of them and started speeding them the last year without any problem. What would be the reason to have these redirects since if you use the search box with quotes the result would be the same? -- Magioladitis (talk) 00:48, 30 January 2010 (UTC)
 * I think we need to take into account WP users who navigate by methods other than the search box, such as using the Special pages utility, or using outside search engines, or typing an article title into their browser's address bar. Aren't Redirects very, very cheap? And fundamentally, those redirects do not fit the R3 policy: you maybe using it on these articles "without any problem," but as currently written the policy does not apply to these articles. On a related point, I would be interested in seeing the RfDs on some of these types of articles if you could point me to them.  UnitedStatesian (talk) 14:06, 30 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Check Redirects for discussion/Log/2008 January 8 for a lot of them. I can search for more if you want. -- Magioladitis (talk) 14:13, 30 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Thanks, that's very helpful, but in a quick scan of the list, it does not appear that any of those deleted redirects are actual quotations; the two I am asking about are. I think it is very reasonable for a WP user looking for an article on something that somebody said, or a phrase somebody wrote, to find it within quotation marks (via redirect).  Accordingly, I am going to recreate those two, and if you wish to bring them to RfD I would be happy to see what the consensus is through that process. UnitedStatesian (talk) 14:20, 30 January 2010 (UTC)
 * The second one was deleted in the past for the same reason from another administrator. Anyway, you have some point that these are phrases so they are expected to be in quotes. I'll do some more research on the subject. I won't start an RfD for these cases, at least not now. I spent a lot of time cleaning this stuff so I prefer if a strict policy was formulated. Thanks for the communication/cooperation. -- Magioladitis (talk) 14:25, 30 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Thank you also, and I am happy to help in any way on the further work you do in this area. Keep me posted. UnitedStatesian (talk) 14:35, 30 January 2010 (UTC)
 * You can help by writing an essay on Redirects having quotes :) I am not good in stuff like this. I ll add it in my to-do list. My nominations in the past helped to create Redirects for discussion/Redirects from foreign languages. I think we can find a good compromise that will be based on consensus and previous discussions. -- Magioladitis (talk) 14:39, 30 January 2010 (UTC)

Pedro II of Brazil's early life and accession
Thank you for your help! Regards, --Lecen (talk) 12:21, 31 January 2010 (UTC)

WikiCup 2010 January newsletter
We are half way through round one of the WikiCup. We've had some shakeups regarding late entries, flag changes and early dropouts, but the competition is now established- there will be no more flag changes or new competitors. Congratulations to, our current leader, who, at the time of writing, has more listed points than and   (second and third place respectively) combined. A special well done also goes to - his artcle Jewel Box (St. Louis, Missouri) was the first content to score points in the competition.

Around half of competitors are yet to score. Please remember to submit content soon after it is promoted, so that the judges are able to review entries. 64 of the 149 current competitors will advance to round 2- if you currently have no points, do not worry, as over half of the current top 64 have under 50 points. Everyone needs to get their entries in now to guarantee their places in round 2! If you are concerned that your nomination will not receive the necessary reviews, and you hope to get it promoted before the end of the round, please list it on WikiCup/Reviews. However, please remember to continue to offer reviews at GAC, FAC and all the other pages that require them to prevent any backlogs which could otherwise be caused by the Cup. As ever, questions are welcome on Wikipedia talk:WikiCup and the judges are reachable on their talk pages, by email or on IRC. Good luck! J Milburn, Garden, iMatthew and The ed17 Delivered by JCbot (talk) at 00:16, 1 February 2010 (UTC)

Non-BLPs marked unreferencedBLP
Commerce minister has repeatedly been tagged as category:Living people and later unreferencedBLP. Yobot seems to have done this first; similar tags were then added by AWB users or other bots. I think I've fixed this by removing an internal link to Faruk Khan, the (living) Commerce Minister of Bangladesh. I wonder if there are other non-BLP pages being tagged as unreferencedBLP. Cnilep (talk) 18:46, 1 February 2010 (UTC)
 * Yobot replaced BD. Check . The mistake was earlier because someone thought Template:BD would give the flag of Bangladesh. Removing the flase categories (YOB missing (living people) and Living people) will fix the problem for good!. -- Magioladitis (talk) 18:53, 1 February 2010 (UTC)
 * I think I've got them now. YOB missing was not showing up in the Categories: box, I guess because that {BD} was placed in the middle of other text. Cnilep (talk) 19:05, 1 February 2010 (UTC)
 * Great work. You saved an article :P -- Magioladitis (talk) 19:08, 1 February 2010 (UTC)

Articles for deletion/Open Watcom Assembler
Hi, Magioladitis. Articles for deletion/JWASM, a discussion in which you participated, was closed as redirect to Open Watcom Assembler. Open Watcom Assembler has now been nominated for deletion due to notability concerns. If you would like to participate in the discussion, please comment at Articles for deletion/Open Watcom Assembler. Thanks, Cunard (talk) 09:11, 2 February 2010 (UTC)

AWB bug fix
Thanks for that. Colonies Chris (talk) 13:26, 2 February 2010 (UTC)

List of Coalition aircraft losses in Afghanistan
Hello. I guess you're the right person to ask on this topic. There's some confusion about two entries in the list:


 * 2002, November 1: Two CH-47 Chinook helicopters collided in Afghanistan.One of them crashed ,another was repaired later.
 * 2003, November 6: UH-1N Huey crashes at Kandahar air base Camp Rhino.

The only known source for these crashes is a Russian list compiled by some A. Bukov. I'm not sure this list is a reliable source. For example, it claims that there were 10 people killed in the Chinook crash on 28 Jan 2002. By the way, Camp Rhino isn't used since 2002. What do you think about it? Creo11 (talk) 08:56, 3 February 2010 (UTC)

Waikato Times
Unless you consider all articles about newspapers to be biographical but not biographies of living people, you may want to add this page to your list of false positives. I removed the banner. JimCubb (talk) 06:59, 4 February 2010 (UTC)
 * This is not a false positive. The problem was the xxxx births category that was present to the article. The problem was occurred by another editor's mistake that used birth age template in a newspaper infobox. Check my fix to both. This means Yobot won't touch the article in the future. JimCubb, you can help fixing these mistakes by replacing/removing the wrong categories of the articles when you find them. Thanks, Magioladitis (talk) 09:50, 4 February 2010 (UTC)

AWB use on talk pages
Good day to you, I have been playing with using AWB to review and correct some issues with talk pages, specifically regarding medal of Honor recipients and I have noticed that it is very very slow. Currently it takes between 30 seconds and a minute to update a talk page once I hit save but I was wondering if there was anything that can be done to speed this up. I am not even using any of the plugins yet (still need to figure them out). --Kumioko (talk) 15:18, 4 February 2010 (UTC)
 * True, I have notice the same. I'll discuss this with the AWB team. Thanks for contacting. -- Magioladitis (talk) 16:55, 4 February 2010 (UTC)
 * This is the response. "It's not AWB, simple ?action=purge on one of those pages gives 'Served by srv163 in 18.066 secs'. It's those perverted templates used for wikiproject tagging cruft." -- Magioladitis (talk) 19:38, 4 February 2010 (UTC)
 * Thanks, So is there something we can do to the templates or the pages themselves to allow AWB to edit them faster?--Kumioko (talk) 22:31, 25 February 2010 (UTC)
 * When working with talkpages, I disactivate everything that is necessary. For example, I never use section edit summaries, etc. This improves speed a bit. Unfortunately I don't have any better solution. -- Magioladitis (talk) 23:35, 25 February 2010 (UTC)

AWB
Hello Magioladitis. I wanted to mention some of your edits using AWB. Especially to the articles Jumbles Reservoir, Queen's Park, Bolton, Seven Acres Country Park, Bolton, Victoria Park, Swinton, and Jumbles Country Park. I used the command text to put the place names in bold in the UK place infobox. AWB changed that to three apostrophes; which made the place name appear in italics with a single apostrophe on either side. You first made this change to the Queen's Park article. I undid that change with a note in the edit summary explaining why, but you redid the change, so I've re-undone it. Please don't change it again: it doesn't look right. Also some changes you made to the Victoria Park article broke the infobox and it was returning a red link. I've fixed that too. Please try and look at the page after you have edited it. You would have seen the misplaced apostrophes and the broken infobox. Thanks a lot. -- Fly by Night (talk) 19:35, 6 February 2010 (UTC)
 * It turns that the bold tabs are unnecessary. I fixed (or at least I tried) in the frame of WP:CHECKWIKI. Thanks for reporting and sorry for the mess. -- Magioladitis (talk) 02:19, 7 February 2010 (UTC)
 * Thanks very much. -- Fly by Night (talk) 09:59, 7 February 2010 (UTC)
 * I've just remembered why I used the command text . I wanted the place name on the map itself to be in bold, and not just the name at the top of the infobox. The place name is hard to read with all of the borough division lines. -- Fly by Night (talk) 10:34, 7 February 2010 (UTC)
 * I just noticed that this filed in the infobox doesn't affect only the title on the top but the name displayed on the map. Maybe you should go to Template talk:Infobox UK place and request the name on the map to be bolded too. -- Magioladitis (talk) 10:42, 7 February 2010 (UTC)

Mince Pies
Is this really in-scope for the NZ Wiki Project? Seems at best tangential to me. Beastiepaws (talk) 05:55, 7 February 2010 (UTC)
 * I just expanded the already existed template. IMO, no it shouldn't be part of the wikiproject. -- Magioladitis (talk) 09:15, 7 February 2010 (UTC)

Sugarcane Grassy Shoot Disease
KINDLY REVISE THE STATUS OF THE ARTICLE AS IT WAS TAGGED WITH 'ORPHAN ARTICLE'. I HAVE UPDATED THE ARTICLE WITH SUITABLE LINKS. PLZ DO CLEARLY MENTION ANY FURTHER CHANGES REQUIRED IN ARTICLE. THANKS. Amit Yadav 11:48, 7 February 2010 (UTC)
 * "Orphan" status has to do not with links on the articles but links to other articles targeting the article. Please find articles related to Sugarcane Grassy Shoot Disease and link them there. If you need more help with that please leave me a message. Thanks, Magioladitis (talk) 11:52, 7 February 2010 (UTC)

Re: Talk header + WikiProjectBannerShell
Thank you for the advice. I read somewhere that it was better to use WPBS instead of WikiProjectBannerShell... and, I replaced many templates WikiProjectBannerShell with WPBSs /o\ (I thought WPBS was a new enhanced version of the WikiProjectBannerShell and not a redirect.) It was my mistake... I'm really sorry... and you are totally right. Please, forgive me. –p joe f (talk • contribs) 14:50, 8 February 2010 (UTC)


 * I've corrected many of the talk pages I edited before by replacing "talkheader" with "Talk header" and WPBS with WikiProjectBannerShell. Cheers. –p joe f (talk • contribs) 15:56, 8 February 2010 (UTC)

On Orphaned article
Geia sou file, efxaristw gia ti symvoli sou sto arthro Blackthorn (comics). Wstoso, tha vgalw to "Orphaned" tag, efoson yparxei toulaxiston ena link pou odigei sto arthro kai stis epomenes meres kai efoson prosthesw kai allous xaraktires tis en logw seiras, tha prostethoun perissotera. Xanthi22 (talk) 16:05, 9 February 2010 (UTC)
 * OK. Kanena problima! -- Magioladitis (talk) 16:09, 9 February 2010 (UTC)

Question about AWB logic
I have recently encountered a couple of things with AWB while working with talk pages and I wanted to ask what logic, if any, AWB has in place for talk page edits. For example here are a few things that I have noticed: I was also wondering what the possibility would be of adding some logic to AWB while woriking with talk pages. For example some think I think would be useful or helpful would be: --Kumioko (talk) 18:58, 9 February 2010 (UTC)
 * 1) It seems to be changing Talk header to a redirect of talkheader.
 * 2) It seems to be moving the talk header template to the top of the page, above the skip to talk template which goes against Talk page layout.
 * 3) if I use the talk page plugin it also adds things to banners such as task forces but most of them are based on redirects and in my opinion, if its being added it should go to the page rather than a redirect.
 * 1) Add logic to ensure that the templates on the talk page follow the correct order per Talk page layout
 * 2) add the WPbiography banner for biographical articles that don't have it already.
 * 3) add/fix talk page banners based on items on the corresponding article page. For example if a category states they are a union soldier and they do not have the ACW task force then it could add it.

Let's start with the first bunch of stuff. Which version/svn do you have at the moment? (you can check in your Help->About window for that.) Do you have a diff to show me? By talk page plugin you mean the KingbotK plugin?
 * Thanks for the help. Yes your right its the KingbotK plugin, the SVN is the most recent one, I just loaded it this morning, SVN6179. I will take a look for a page diff but I didn't make the AWB suggested change. I just skipped to the next one. I shut down AWB restarted my computer and reloaded the most recent SVN and know it seems to have stopped changing the talkheader and it seems to be movig the talk header and skip to talk templates to the right places now. Maybe when I loaded it the first time something wasn't right..not quite sure. --Kumioko (talk) 20:44, 9 February 2010 (UTC)
 * OK. It seems it's a bug we fixed at some point and you were running an older snapshot. Next time if you find a bug like that first save and then revert your edit.
 * Now for the second bunch:


 * I already proposed Wikipedia_talk:AutoWikiBrowser/Feature_requests in the past. It's in my plans to do more with the WP:TPL
 * There are bots for that. It's not possible for AWB to do changes of this kind at the moment.
 * Same as above. It's a bit controversial to do automatically. -- Magioladitis (talk) 21:14, 9 February 2010 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the help. I did have one thing that came up and that was AWB changed the cadency for an article from IV to Iv. I saved and reverted it as you suggested and here is the link to that one.--Kumioko (talk) 21:49, 9 February 2010 (UTC)
 * Nice job but I think according to DEFAULTSORT rules AWB was correct. You can ask User:Rjwilmsi for more details on that. There is a discussion in WP:AWB/B for that too. -- Magioladitis (talk) 22:03, 9 February 2010 (UTC)

I think I found another peculiarity. AWB found the problems currectly as far as I can tell but it displayed the page requiring me to scroll way off to the right. I get this occassionally but never thought to mention it. Heres the article that had the, for lack of a better term, problem. List of United States Military Academy alumni (Medal of Honor)--Kumioko (talk) 23:29, 9 February 2010 (UTC)
 * I already knew about that. Read WP:AWB/FR. More editors asked for the same thing. Better write this stuff as bugs or feature requests so we can put them in an order and implement a lot of them. Happy editing! -- Magioladitis (talk) 23:34, 9 February 2010 (UTC)

May Mill, Pemberton
You have kindly been tidying up my normal errors on the mills found in Lancashire Cotton Corporation- could you just pop back and look at one, for instance May Mill, Pemberton‎ and see the minor error you have introduced into External links, on each page. Cheers --ClemRutter (talk) 20:15, 16 February 2010 (UTC)
 * I fixed it. It was produced by error in the code. Are there more? -- Magioladitis (talk) 20:30, 16 February 2010 (UTC)
 * I reported the bug in Wikipedia_talk:AutoWikiBrowser/Bugs. -- Magioladitis (talk) 20:30, 16 February 2010 (UTC)

Help with Lopez Negrete Communications entry...
Magioladitis:

This is re: what you posted about the entry:

--> Article was created by User:Lopez Negrete Communications in 100% html code. Another editor without any edits, User:Cgiambi, removed all tags. I thin k the article is self-published and Wikipedia is not the place of self-promotion. Magioladitis (talk) 19:05, 16 February 2010 (UTC) <--

I'm a third-party consultant outside of the company that contacted me to help them - as a favor - with legitimizing their entry. I have no ties to the company other than that. According to what I've read in the Wikipedia manual on Neutral Point Of View (NPOV) this entry follows all those guidelines. Everything in there is factual and cannot be negated - there are articles referenced there which prove that. The edits were made by myself and by my colleague MVelez (where you saw the 100%HTML code - there's no rule that says we cannot program the entry in HTML).

This entry was NOT created for self-promotion - I wouldn't have done anything to do with it if it did. The company contacted me and MVelez to legitimize their web presence. This is no different than the entries for Walmart or Bank of America which are referenced in our entry.

So, what can I do to keep you from deleting this? Help me with this please.

Cgiambi (talk) 23:59, 17 February 2010 (UTC)

Hi and thanks for contacting me. Follow the following steps:
 * First of all write a message to Articles for deletion/Lopez Negrete Communications with your opinion. I'll copy your message in any case.
 * Try to find some third-party sources and add them to the article
 * If you still have problems contact Article Rescue Squadron, probably they can help in adding references, etc.

-- Magioladitis (talk) 00:10, 18 February 2010 (UTC)

Exceptional work
Hi Magioladitis! I run a bot using the kingbotk plugin on AWB, but it doesn't seem to be working with the newer AWB versions. Do you know of any work-arounds for this exception? Thanks a lot and cheers!   A rbitrarily 0   ( talk ) 13:01, 18 February 2010 (UTC)
 * We try to fix it. The problem is that Reedy still cant catch it! --Magioladitis (talk) 23:27, 20 February 2010 (UTC)
 * Alright, no problem - is there an 'estimated time of fixedness'?   A rbitrarily 0    ( talk ) 17:52, 21 February 2010 (UTC)
 * We ll give it a try in the next few days. Probably tonight or tomorrow. --Magioladitis (talk) 12:29, 22 February 2010 (UTC)
 * Sure sure! I guess it's been a few days now, do you know if it's back up and running?    A rbitrarily 0    ( talk ) 12:16, 5 March 2010 (UTC)
 * We are cleaning the whole plugin. We found where the bug is but not fixed yet. I ll keep you informed :) -- Magioladitis (talk) 12:21, 5 March 2010 (UTC)

Leacking a discussion with Reedy about the plugin:

<Reedy>	Magioladitis, need to have a think. How much of a future does the plugin have? Is it worth me rebuilding from the ground up in C# later this year?

<Magioladitis>	I think the first direction of this template was to do genfixes in talk pages too. Now are moving in adding these genfixes in the main code so it won't get expanded anymore. It's only use is to tag and assess. People will never stop doing that as long as projects exist.

<Reedy>	Indeed. The idea at some point was to rebuild it to make it much more generic and reusable

<Magioladitis>	we need to move all genfixes to the main code if any left

<Reedy>	sure. Probably quite a lot. Maybe start an action plan for it

-- Magioladitis (talk) 13:56, 5 March 2010 (UTC)
 * Wait, I don't think I really understand the conversation excerpt above, what does that mean? Sorry,   A rbitrarily 0    ( talk ) 15:29, 6 March 2010 (UTC)
 * Well, this was mainly replying to myself to have an idea of our status. Briefly:

Did that help? -- Magioladitis (talk) 15:34, 6 March 2010 (UTC)
 * The bug is related with the TimerStats. If we disactivate them, no bug anymore. Of course i better to fix it instead.
 * First target: We try and fix the bug
 * Second target: Rewrite the plugin in C. At the moment is impossible to keep it up-to-date.
 * We need to simplify the code a bit. Move all genfixes to the main code and leave the tagging/assessing part to the plugin only.
 * Very much so, thanks! The reason I've been pestering you is that I have a couple of pending WikiProject tagging requests to run through Arbitrarily0Bot.  No rush though, just feel free to drop me a note when things get cleared up.  Thanks so much for your help,    A rbitrarily 0    ( talk ) 22:23, 9 March 2010 (UTC)
 * We are releasing a new version right now but we didn't fix the bug yet. Running in bot mode won't catch any bug. You can run it without any fear. The bug occurs only by pressing Start twice of something similar. -- Magioladitis (talk) 22:29, 9 March 2010 (UTC)
 * Well, I've tried it out and everything works again! I've only one thing left to say: exceptional work!  :) Thanks greatly for your time, take excellent care!    A rbitrarily 0    ( talk ) 03:18, 11 March 2010 (UTC)

Violin Concerto (Sibelius – Original Version) Is Not A Biography
A month ago you wrote on Yobot's talk page that all the tagging of musical works had been stopped and that all the tags had been reverted. This article was tagged yesterday. I found it because the banner lacked a listas and deleted the banner. JimCubb (talk) 23:20, 20 February 2010 (UTC)
 * You should have noticed that this article had birth-death categories in it! I just removed them. The last time was because a category was wrongly subcategorised. In fact, we sti have to remove the infobox person. -- Magioladitis (talk) 23:26, 20 February 2010 (UTC)
 * The infobox is gone. This is an example of the danger of automated edits.  An editor puts a template where it does not belong.  A bot comes along more than a year later, perpetuates the error and, in some cases, makes it worse.  JimCubb (talk) 00:26, 21 February 2010 (UTC)
 * ...or helps us discover the error and fix it. :) An unnecessary banner in the talk page is not a big deal comparing to a messed up article. WPBiography has over than 600,000 banners. We of course would like to have them all perfect but I still discover banners incorrectly placed for years. -- Magioladitis (talk) 11:14, 21 February 2010 (UTC)

Evan Andriopoulos
Hello, A page that you worked on Evan Andriopoulos is being discussed as to whether it should be deleted. Care to weigh in on the issue? Friuli (talk) 17:32, 21 February 2010 (UTC)

Bot tagging with orphan
I noticed this edit where Yobot added an orphan tag. But the article has 2 good incoming links (and that is all I would expect). Shouldn't the orphan tag be manually checked so errors like this don't happen?--Commander Keane (talk) 11:42, 22 February 2010 (UTC)
 * An article is not orphan if it at least 3 incoming links according to the official definition. There is a discussion to informelly reduce this. -- Magioladitis (talk) 11:45, 22 February 2010 (UTC)
 * ...you discovered a problem to my code though. I don't want auto-tagging while just substituting BD. Thanks, Magioladitis (talk) 11:47, 22 February 2010 (UTC)
 * (e/c) If you are quoting Orphan, the rest of paragraph is "only place the orphan tag if the article has ZERO incoming links from other articles". The bot should not be adding the orphan tag, do you agree it was an error in this case?--Commander Keane (talk) 11:52, 22 February 2010 (UTC)
 * If AWB's autotagging is to blame then maybe I should take it up with that person instead, I don't want Wikipedia articles sullied by stray orphan tags.
 * I am quoting Orphan, yes. It's true that "Currently our priority is to focus on orphans with NO incoming links at all" but this doesn#t mean that articles with 2 incoming links are not orphans! I agree that I souldn't add this tag but for the reasons above. It's also true that no mass orphan tagging should be made to articles having 1 or 2 incoming links to help people fix the rest. I recently got approval to put my bot help reducing the number of orphan tags. Big mess was caused in the past from a WP:AWB`s bug which we fixed. --Magioladitis (talk) 15:36, 22 February 2010 (UTC)

HTML comments
You left a message on my talk page that mentions a Unicodify issue with AWB, but my bug report was about HTML comments. I just tested using rev 6237 and the problem was not fixed. I left a note on the AWB page. In case there was a relationship between the two issues, I tested twice: once with Unicodify whole page on, and once with it off. No difference. — John Cardinal (talk) 14:51, 22 February 2010 (UTC)
 * I copied the wrong title. Thanks, Magioladitis (talk) 15:40, 22 February 2010 (UTC)

BLPunreferenced tag
Hello Magioladitis. I noticed that you modified that tags on some articles about Egyptian football clubs from unreferenced or unsourced to BLPunreferenced and BLP unsourced (e.g., Al-Hammam). Since these articles are about organizations, not persons, I have changed them back, but please check and see if I missed any. Best regards. Jogurney (talk) 20:28, 22 February 2010 (UTC)
 * We have to remove the incorrectly placed Category:Living people. Thanks for reporting. --Magioladitis (talk) 20:31, 22 February 2010 (UTC)

WP:WikiProject Check Wikipedia
I've been using this page off and on as a Wikignome and noticed you were editing this page after completing sections - should I be doing that when I clean up a page here and there or only if I wipe out an entire section. If I should be editing it, do I need to worry about deleting section headers and messing up the new daily data? Thanks! VernoWhitney (talk) 21:44, 22 February 2010 (UTC)
 * Delete after you fix. You can removed articles too. Don't worry for deleting sections. they are automatically generated. -- Magioladitis (talk) 21:46, 22 February 2010 (UTC)

Template:Infobox character
I've proposed more parameter removals and your comments are welcomed here <font face="Kristen ITC"><font color="#ff0000">C <font color="#ff6600">T <font color="#ffff00">J <font color="#009900">F <font color="#0000ff">8 <font color="#6600cc">3 GoUSA 22:12, 25 February 2010 (UTC)
 * Is 3 days enough or do you want to wait longer before removing? <font face="Kristen ITC"><font color="#ff0000">C <font color="#ff6600">T <font color="#ffff00">J <font color="#009900">F <font color="#0000ff">8 <font color="#6600cc">3  chat 20:05, 28 February 2010 (UTC)

kingbotk plugin
Thanks. --Kumioko (talk) 14:27, 27 February 2010 (UTC)

Talk page question
I am still learning about talk page edits so I hope you don't mind me asking this questions but I have seen a few categories on talk pages that I think should not be there. One example is birth and death categoies like Talk:Aaron B. Tompkins. Do you know if there is anywhere that tells if this is right or wrong? --Kumioko (talk) 15:05, 27 February 2010 (UTC)
 * Another example is having images such as Talk:Adelbert Ames--Kumioko (talk) 15:08, 27 February 2010 (UTC)

Muro Bot
Ops, I'm very sorry because of the error. I enabled cosmetic changes for all wikis where my bot edits and I didn't realize that I have added more cosmetic changes to the ones in the original file. Now I have disabled cosmetic changes. Muro de Aguas (write me) 17:38, 27 February 2010 (UTC)
 * No: in my cosmetic changes file I only have DEFAULTSORT→ORDENAR, thumb|right→thumb and other minor fixes. On eswiki there are no stub templates (all of them were removed), so I don't know why my bot did that. Muro de Aguas (write me) 17:50, 27 February 2010 (UTC)

Removing &lt;noinclude&gt;
Hi, in you removed /. I've never seen AWB do this for me, so I'm wondering if it may be something in your personalized settings or a plugin which you may be using. M AN d ARAX <font color="6600FF"> • XAЯA b ИA M  18:49, 27 February 2010 (UTC)
 * I think I did this manually. It's hard to tell where this noinclude came from. Sometimes some editors substs templates, sometimes they just copy the, etc. -- Magioladitis (talk) 18:53, 27 February 2010 (UTC)
 * That page is transcluded by 2009 ATP World Tour Finals, so the is supposed to be there. Personally, I think it's often a bad idea to transclude pages other than those in Template space, but it's done a lot, so we unfortunately just have to deal with it.... M AN d ARAX <font color="6600FF"> •  XAЯA b ИA M  19:06, 27 February 2010 (UTC)
 * I was just checking your test edits. I had no idea. Maybe we need to add a hidden comment then. I don't like the idea of transcluing pages. I noticed that in an episode list of a tv series and the result was a mess of references. -- Magioladitis (talk) 19:08, 27 February 2010 (UTC)

WikiCup 2010 February newsletter
Round one is over, and round two has begun! Congratulations to the 64 contestants who have made it through, but well done and thank you to all contestants who took part in our first round. A special well done goes to, our round one winner (1010 points), and to and , who were second and third respectively (640 points/605 points). Sasata was awarded the most points for both good articles (300 points) and featured articles (600 points), and TonyTheTiger was awarded the most for featured topics (225 points), while Hunter Kahn claimed the most for good topics (70). claimed the most featured lists (240 points) and featured pictures (35 points), claimed the most for Did you know? entries (490 points),  claimed the most for featured sounds (70 points) and  claimed the most for In the news entries (40 points). No one claimed a featured portal or valued picture.

Credits awarded after the end of round one but before round two may be claimed in round two, but remember the rule that content must have been worked on in some significant way during 2010 by you for you to claim points. The groups for round two will be placed up shortly, and the submissions' pages will be blanked. This round will continue until 28 April, when the top two users from each group, as well as 16 wildcards, will progress to round three. Please remember to continue to offer reviews at GAC, FAC and all the other pages that require them to prevent any backlogs which could otherwise be caused by the Cup; thank you to all doing this last round, and particularly to those helping at WikiCup/Reviews. As ever, questions are welcome on Wikipedia talk:WikiCup and the judges are reachable on their talk pages, by email or on IRC. Good luck! If you wish to start receiving or stop receiving this newsletter, please feel free to add or remove yourself from WikiCup/Newsletter/Send. J Milburn, Fox, iMatthew and The ed17 Delivered by JCbot (talk) at 00:49, 1 March 2010 (UTC)

WP:RFBOT
Your recent bot approvals request has been approved. Please see the request page for details. Josh Parris 05:45, 1 March 2010 (UTC)
 * Thanks much for completing this request! Nyttend (talk) 15:31, 10 March 2010 (UTC)
 * One question on this process — do you know why the bot didn't get all townships? I just added the reference to Atwater Township, Portage County, Ohio, since the bot didn't edit it.  Nyttend (talk) 23:44, 25 March 2010 (UTC)
 * Sometimes, the text was not exactly the one expected. I didn't have eough time to check for variations. -- Magioladitis (talk) 12:07, 26 March 2010 (UTC)

A mistake?
I supposed this edit was a mistake? Nsaa (talk) 11:50, 3 March 2010 (UTC)
 * I put it here (relisted) for further discussion. -- Magioladitis (talk) 11:52, 3 March 2010 (UTC)
 * Ok, but please keep a link, so prior references to this is not broken (See Special:WhatLinksHere/Wikipedia:Templates_for_discussion/Log/2010_February_22). Added it like this . Nsaa (talk) 20:26, 7 March 2010 (UTC)

Wrong archiving?
You archived an open bug through this edit. Why? --Siddhant (talk) 21:42, 4 March 2010 (UTC)
 * For the following reasons:
 * There isn't much we can do since adding a space at this position is considered as adding small within the  tag used to highlight the bracket.
 * There is a bot, called FrescoBot, fixing all the cases like he one you described. So bracket and character with no space will become really rare in the short future.
 * Feel free to leave a message to Rjwilmsi and/or Reedy directly and ask if they can do something about it.

Thanks, Magioladitis (talk) 23:39, 4 March 2010 (UTC)
 * No problem. Unfortunately they are about 400 articles to which I didn't manage to add the reference because they didn't fit the pattern. Do you want this list? -- Magioladitis (talk) 15:36, 10 March 2010 (UTC)

TFD close
Hi, you closed the TFD, orphaned the template here, but didn't delete the template :) Doh! I tagged it per G6.  Thank you. 12.104.200.223 (talk) 14:26, 6 March 2010 (UTC)
 * Thanks for reporting. I deleted via TfD (better than G6). It was a tough day. I had to close a lot of TfDs. -- Magioladitis (talk) 14:31, 6 March 2010 (UTC)

A typo for you to fix
Hi, at WT:AWB/B, you accidentally said that the DEFAULTSORT should be "George Macfarland" when, of course, it should be "Macfarland, George". (And I should know. I've probably fixed and/or added well over ten thousand Mc/Mac sort keys.) I don't edit talk page comments of other users, so I left it for you to correct yourself. Oh, and you also forgot to sign it. M AN d ARAX <font color="6600FF"> • XAЯA b ИA M  18:39, 6 March 2010 (UTC)
 * Thanks! Next time feel free to correct my comments :P -- Magioladitis (talk) 18:41, 6 March 2010 (UTC)

ANI
No, I wasn't talking about you. Hesperian 02:37, 11 March 2010 (UTC)
 * Thanks for contacting. I just asked to be sure because I though it may be a mistake. I read your message more carefully after xeno's comment. Friendly, Magioladitis (talk) 08:28, 11 March 2010 (UTC)

unit tests for LinkFGAsItalian – refer to wrong regex
Your unit tests for LinkFGAsItalian refer to the wrong regex. Thanks Rjwilmsi  17:35, 12 March 2010 (UTC)
 * I think I fixed everything. Can you check please? -- Magioladitis (talk) 19:04, 12 March 2010 (UTC)

AWB IN UBUNDU9.10

 * 1) how can i write some instructions in a word's talk page or the words of a category by AWB.
 * 2) Is it possible to use AWB in UBUNDU (9.10).If possible, please give the details. thanks in advance.தகவலுழவன் (talk) 12:23, 14 March 2010 (UTC)(ta.wiktionarian)

Tagging
I do not understand why Yobot has attached the {WP biography} tag to, for example, the Eddie "Guitar" Burns article page that I created on 24 February 2010 (which is fine), but has not for the following:-


 * Boogie Woogie Red - 10 February 2010
 * Bull City Red - 11 January 2010
 * George "Mojo" Buford - 16 December 2009
 * Ida Goodson - 16 February 2010
 * Joe Pullum - 20 January 2010
 * Larry Garner - 12 January 2010
 * Martha Copeland - 6 February 2010
 * Mattie Delaney - 24 January 2010
 * Paul "Wine" Jones - 9 January 2010
 * Pete Mayes - 6 January 2010
 * Ralph Willis (blues musician) - 5 February 2010
 * Robert Shaw (blues musician) - 10 January 2010
 * Sherman Robertson - 20 January 2010
 * Silas Hogan - 20 January 2010
 * Smoky Babe - 19 February 2010
 * Virginia Liston - 16 February 2010

or the equivalent for the following:-
 * Bern Elliott and the Fenmen - 29 January 2010
 * Players Association - 25 September 2007 (sort of, ish)
 * The Butler Twins - 28 February 2010
 * The Dale Sisters - 14 March 2010
 * The Headboys - 28 July 2008
 * The Legendary Blues Band - 1 February 2010
 * The Pearls - 15 January 2010

It really is not meant to be a criticism, but it baffles me a little bit. I am not particularly Wiki technically minded, so possibly the explanation may be beyond me. Perhaps what I am really saying is, can the necessary be done for these articles ? Of course, I have a COI in that I almost exclusively created these particular articles.

Many thanks,

Derek R Bullamore (talk) 00:00, 15 March 2010 (UTC)

The first article is about a person that is alive. Another bot located newly created articles about alive persons and I tag them for WPBiography. The other articles are abut person who are dead. I am giving priority to alive persons in order to add a BLP tag. Yobot runs either in listas created by other bots like the one I described above or in categories that guarantee that all the persons insides are either dead or alive. For example 2001 deaths. In User:Yobot you can see which categories I choose every day. Conclusion, the articles you showed me are in categories I haven't ran Yobot in the last 2 months. I ll try to tag them soon but keep in mind that Yobot won't be running for the next 2 weeks. -- Magioladitis (talk) 07:07, 15 March 2010 (UTC)

I just did the first bunch for you :) -- Magioladitis (talk) 08:01, 15 March 2010 (UTC)


 * Ahh, I see. Thanks,


 * Derek R Bullamore (talk) 10:36, 15 March 2010 (UTC)

Orphan Tag on John Bunn and Jacob Bunn Article
Dear Magioladitis: I wanted to thank you for placing the orphan tag on the "John Whitfield Bunn and Jacob Bunn" article a while back. I followed your advice and was able to connect the Bunn Brothers article to at least twenty different existing Wikipedia articles whose contents were relevant in some way to the lives and careers of the Bunn Brothers. If you see any other articles that might connect to the Bunn article in some way, then please let me know, or feel free to establish a link. Thank you again for your suggestion. Your suggestion has helped to bring the Bunn Brothers article into far greater contextual nexus with other Wikipedia articles. --Sincerely, biogcontrib109 —Preceding unsigned comment added by Biogcontrib109 (talk • contribs) 08:22, 16 March 2010 (UTC)

Orphan Tag on Bunn Brothers Article
Dear Magioladitis: I apologize for the duplicate message, but I was afraid the first message did not format correctly for your talk page. So, here it is again. . . I wanted to thank you for placing the orphan tag on the "John Whitfield Bunn and Jacob Bunn" article a while back. I followed your advice and was able to connect the Bunn Brothers article to at least twenty different existing Wikipedia articles whose contents were relevant in some way to the lives and careers of the Bunn Brothers. If you see any other articles that might connect to the Bunn article in some way, then please let me know, or feel free to establish a link. Thank you again for your suggestion. Your suggestion has helped to bring the Bunn Brothers article into far greater contextual nexus with other Wikipedia articles. --Sincerely, biogcontrib109 —Preceding unsigned comment added by Biogcontrib109 (talk • contribs) 08:26, 16 March 2010 (UTC)

otheruses3 redirect
I just noticed that you put it thru deletion.

It was closed before I put in my view. You can reiterate your position at my listing.174.3.101.191 (talk) 17:22, 17 March 2010 (UTC)


 * I've removed the inappropriate relisting. Fresh consensus is to retain the redirect, and the correct forum in which to dispute this is WP:DRV.  —David Levy 18:04, 17 March 2010 (UTC)

Wikipedia_talk:AutoWikiBrowser/Bugs#Some_dab_pages_are_tagged_as_orphans
For Wikipedia_talk:AutoWikiBrowser/Bugs am I right that we just need to add two more templates to the disambigs list (WikiRegex.Disambigs)? Thanks Rjwilmsi  13:42, 18 March 2010 (UTC)

Courtesy note
You are receiving this note because you participated in this TFD. Some of these have been re-nominated here, where you may wish to comment. Thanks, –<font face="verdana" color="black">xeno talk  14:29, 20 March 2010 (UTC)

A-Class Review Note
Hi Magioladitis, I wanted to let you know that I have left comments for the article you nominated for an A-class review here. Please feel free to read and respond to any of them!

Thanks, -SidewinderX (talk) 03:29, 22 March 2010 (UTC)

Image attribution note
Any image which is licensed under an attribution-required license (such as GFDL, LPGL, cc-by-sa, etc.) requires attribution. This is typically provided in the form of a link to an image description page - so delinking such images (e.g.) is a violation of their license. For future reference. Cheers, – xeno <sup style="color:black;">talk 17:03, 25 March 2010 (UTC)

Re:titles
My name is Ichiro Kikuchi and please help. "Matsugaoka Hoyoen Sanatorium" should be "Matsuoka Hoyoen Sanatorium" and can I change ? Likewise," Kumamoto, Kumamoto" should be "Kumamoto". I don't know why this mistake has remained so long. --Ichiro Kikuchi (talk) 01:52, 27 March 2010 (UTC)

WPBiography parameter
Hi. When I started adding WPBiography to talk pages a long time ago, I used Yobot's edits as a guide for which parameters to include (plus I always add "listas"). But, checking the template's documentation, it appears that "priority" is not currently a valid parameter. Yobot still this, and I'm wondering, is this there any reason that this parameter should be used? M AN d ARAX <font color="6600FF"> • XAЯA b ИA M  19:58, 27 March 2010 (UTC)
 * Thanks for reporting. Priority is still valid if there is only one task group. For you other concerns I already have filled in Wikipedia_talk:AutoWikiBrowser/Bugs. We are planning in rewriting KingbotK's plugin source code in summer. At the moment is out-dated. PS Feel free to update/correct Yobot's guide if you think it's not comprehensive. :) -- Magioladitis (talk) 19:52, 28 March 2010 (UTC)

WikiCup 2010 March newsletter
We're half way through round two, and everything is running smoothly. leads overall with 650 points this round, and heads pool B. currently leads pool C, dubbed the "Group of Death", which has a only a single contestant yet to score this round (the fewest of any group), as well five contestants over 100 points (the most). With a month still to go, as well as 16 wildcard places, everything is still to play for. Anything you worry may not receive the necessary attention before the end of the round (such as outstanding GA or FA nominations) is welcome at WikiCup/Reviews, and please remember to continue offering reviews yourself where possible. As always, the judges are available to contact via email, IRC or their talk pages, and general discussion about the Cup is welcome on the WikiCup talk page.

Although unrelated to the WikiCup, April sees a Good Article Nominations backlog elimination drive, formulated as a friendly competition with small awards, as the Cup is. Several WikiCup contestants and judges have already signed up, but regular reviewers and those who hope to do more reviewing are more than welcome to join at the drive page. If you wish to start receiving or stop receiving this newsletter, please feel free to add or remove yourself from WikiCup/Newsletter/Send. J Milburn, Fox, iMatthew and The ed17 Delivered by JCbot (talk) 22:17, 31 March 2010 (UTC)

Better syntax for Template:Portal box
Hi, I just suggested changing, so that it can be used with better syntax, similar to , like you once suggested. You are welcome to comment there. Svick (talk) 19:39, 5 April 2010 (UTC)

A couple of bot related questions
I know that you run at least one bot so I was hoping to ask you a question. I have been working with talk pages recently and have been trying to cleanup the talk pages for the Medal of Honor recipients (and I may move onto others as I get more comfortable) and I have noticed some things that I think could be botable. Here are a few that I have found.
 * 1) If priority, military priority or importance is missing set them as low.
 * 2) If the B class checklist is in place for articles assessed as other than start or B then remove it (there seems to be quite a lot of stubs with the b class template and missing the assessment).
 * 3) If an edit is already being made then replace the old and long milhist assessment description "B-Class-1. It is suitably referenced, and all major points have appropriate inline citations." with the new shorter one "Referencing and citations". Again this would only be done if other edits are happening at the same time.
 * 4) The normal AWB talk page edits could also be done at the same time such as adding the section of Unknown to the first comment if its missing a section or separating talkheader into Talk header.
 * 5) some list as are showing first name last name format and should be changed to Last name, first name
 * 6) adding taskforces or criteria to the biography or milhist banners such as US if its a US person or biography if its a biography.
 * 7) replacing Class=C with Class=Start for milhist articles since the milhist project doesn't use C class.
 * 8) Any others that might be needed that I haven't thought of yet.

Also is there a way to make a change to the article or the talk page by looking at the other. For example, adding the persondata or infobox needed flags to the talk page if the article is missing them or removing them if the infobox or persondata has been added. Thanks for the help. --Kumioko (talk) 15:48, 7 April 2010 (UTC)

KINGBOYK plugin
With all of the problems currently identified with this plugin and the low priority that the AWB developement team has put on them (as preceived by various comments made on the AWB project pages) I am going to stop using this plugin. I am finding that I have to closely scrutinize every change this thing makes and having only recently started trying to use it, have completely lost confidence in its ability to find and fix problems. I would honestly recommend that unless the plugin can be fixed it should be restricted from use because there is a huge potential for it to do more harm than good. --Kumioko (talk) 14:54, 8 April 2010 (UTC)


 * I ll try to answer to both your messages: This plugin has to be rewritten but this won't happen before summer. Th original creators stopped supporting the plugin and we are trying to patch it and make it workable. The 2 ideas I worked with were: Remove any old, unnecessary suff and move some stuff to general fixes for talk pages. In this way the code is simplified and easier to be rewritten. I think we can fix some parts soon in a way the bot you are suggesting above to run. Did you try to make any test edits with your account? -- Magioladitis (talk) 15:01, 8 April 2010 (UTC)
 * I apologize if I sounded a bit snippy, that wasn't my intention and that certainly makes sense from the programming aspect. I have been making some changes but I was trying to use the plugin to see what logic it had but seems as though its too difficult to overcome its limitations at this time and I am going to need to do them all manually. With that said I could start my own bot but I also don't think its in the best interest of the project if we have multiple bots all doing like things on the same articles so if there is a bot that currently exists that does changes to talk pages already it would be better to add the changes I have proposed to it. IMO. I know that your bot does some changes but there are also other bots that do some as well so unless there is a reason you can think of that I should create yet another bot to do them I would recommend adding them to one thats already running. Some might argue otherwise but I don't feel compelled to create a bot simply for the sake of saying I have one. I also need to rewrite some of my changes into regex to be more efficient (mostly just manual find and replace currently till I get the flow of things). --Kumioko (talk) 15:19, 8 April 2010 (UTC)
 * You can always join the AWB IRC channel and we can discuss what it has to be done. My bot can run in Category:Recipients of the Medal of Honor but I'll need some help to create the settings file. From you list: 4 is automatic, 1,6 and 7 are no problem. 3 too but I could be easier just to do it for any case. 2 it should be a big problem but I ll need someone to know Regex better than myself. -- Magioladitis (talk) 15:36, 8 April 2010 (UTC)

Yobots edit on Pwn2Own
you're bot removed expand (section) links on Pwn2Own. Why? I don't think that this behavior is correct! or should it really? <b style="font-family:Courier New; display:inline; border:#009 1px dashed; padding:1px 6px 2px 7px; white-space:nowrap; color:#000000; font-size:smaller;">mabdul</b> 23:56, 11 April 2010 (UTC)
 * In this article exactly? The one above is a red link. General rule: By instructions if an article is a STUB, we don't add expand on it. If the article is a stub then this automatically means it has to be expanded. -- Magioladitis (talk) 00:02, 12 April 2010 (UTC)
 * I found the article you meant and I fixed your comment. It seems you are right., if we remove stub then we should not remove expand. I think I can fix this. Very nice catch! Thanks for reporting. -- Magioladitis (talk) 00:05, 12 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Fixed that for AWB's next release. Again, thanks! -- Magioladitis (talk) 00:14, 12 April 2010 (UTC)
 * ;) you are welcome <b style="font-family:Courier New; display:inline; border:#009 1px dashed; padding:1px 6px 2px 7px; white-space:nowrap; color:#000000; font-size:smaller;">mabdul</b> 11:11, 12 April 2010 (UTC)

Yobot editing outside of mainspace
. Just thought you might like to know. -- N Y  Kevin  @848, i.e. 19:21, 12 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Same as above. I'll try to find a way not to occur. Thanks for reporting. -- Magioladitis (talk) 19:29, 12 April 2010 (UTC)
 * I just noticed that you meant this is User space. I 'll fix this immediately. Thanks! -- Magioladitis (talk) 22:15, 12 April 2010 (UTC)

Yobot has gone mad, he must be stopped
Well, maybe not. But Yobot DID come to the incorrect conclusion that the articles The Amazing Spider-Man (comic book) and Spider-Man: Web of Shadows should be part of WikiProject Insects. Diffs here and here. No harm done - the edits were constructive even if Yobot was a little confused - but possibly Yobot needs some more work. - DustFormsWords (talk) 07:55, 14 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Actually, it appears to be every article containing the word "Spider", including but not limited to all the Spider-Man articles and a large chunk of Marvel Comics articles. Once again, the edits are nevertheless constructive but probably something you should fix before getting Yobot to do anything more substantial. - DustFormsWords (talk) 08:01, 14 April 2010 (UTC)·
 * Hm... I am running in the subcategories of Cat:Insects. It must be some crazy path that leads to... Spiderman. I hate when this happens. The problem is only in the edit summary. The "Tagging for WikiProject Insects" was added my me. Yobot won't affect articles that don't have WikiProject Insects templates. It will only do some genfixes. -- Magioladitis (talk) 09:03, 14 April 2010 (UTC)
 * With intense amusement I find that Talk:Codex Theodosianus appears to be within WikiProject Insects. Not that Yobot has done anything wrong there, but Insects? I think not. HTH. Richard Keatinge (talk) 09:02, 15 April 2010 (UTC)
 * As you see the page itslef wasn't affected. Some crazy path in the categories structure lead to this. I loaded Cat:Insects and all its subcategories. I took some measures to make the problem not visible, now Yobot skips pages if the old templates didn't found. -- Magioladitis (talk) 09:07, 15 April 2010 (UTC)

Found! Insects -> Insect products -> Silk -> Silk Road -> Cities along the Silk Road -> Constantinople (as a category, which is wrong). From this point every possible article could occur! -- Magioladitis (talk) 09:15, 15 April 2010 (UTC)

Talk page header
Thanks for the comments, I am still new to working with talk pages so I am sure to make a few mistakes and comments like this wil help me learn from them. The nesting thing was an accident I usually remove it but when I copied that from another article I must have missed that one. I will also watch the other edits. After reviewing the rules for the MILHIST banner it appears that to priority is needed, but that seems impossible. I also do not agree with the Talk header issue. Most importantly, In my opinion it is helpful for inexperienced editors to have that information on hand and, in my opinion, adding it after problems have arisen on the talk page is the wrong way to deal with them. We are reacting to a problem instead of preventing it. Plus it causes the pages to lack uniformity which can also cause confusion. But, since the rules state that it should be used sparingly, then I guess I will have to live with that. Its not the first time I have been confronted with something on WP I didn't agree with and there are simply to many other edits to be made still to fuss over little details like this one. Thanks again--Kumioko (talk) 14:02, 14 April 2010 (UTC)

Tom Norris article
Hi, I was planning an article about musician/violinist Tom Norris, but I notice an article with that title was deleted from the system and you were referenced. Can you give me some background on what this was about? Was the article about the same Tom Norris? Why it was deleted, etc.? I don't want repeat previous errors. Pkeets (talk) 16:49, 15 April 2010 (UTC)
 * You can see when and why it was deleted by just reading the red box that appears when you press at Tom Norris. The article was 1 line claiming to be about "the former keyboard player of Allstar Weekend". -- Magioladitis (talk) 21:13, 15 April 2010 (UTC)

Insignificant edits
I wouldn't really call it "resolved" when your bot continued making pointless edits like this. This is really not hard to avoid. Simply either 1) ensure your list contains only articles that substantive work will be done on (i.e. by using Special:Export and the database scanner) and 2) ensure the skip criteria are set properly (conceding that we're awaiting a new snapshot - perhaps your task could have been delayed until you obtained one). As an AWB developer and administrator, you should not be making insignificant edits contrary to WP:AWB. Neither should you have to be continually reminded of this: the bot's talk page (and to some extent, yours) is filled with people complaining about insignificant edits from this bot. Please take steps to ensure that the bot complies with applicable policies and guidelines in the future. – xeno <sup style="color:black;">talk 17:07, 16 April 2010 (UTC)
 * IMO, you are right but see please a part of my point of view. A simple task "changing from one project to another" revealed 2-3 bugs and improvements that could be done to AWB's code. During this process we improved AWB to avoid insignificant edits in the future and better handle talk pages. In to my eyes this is a success. I really think the small ratio of insignificant edits really worth it that. Anyway, the list is almost over (less than 200 items from tenths of thousands). A new snapshot will be released really soon. -- Magioladitis (talk) 17:22, 16 April 2010 (UTC)
 * I think you'll save yourself a lot of time (and lighten the load on the servers) by using Special:Export and the database scanner to identify the articles that substantive work will be done on. This is something that Reedy clued me into and it has made my life world's easier. Let me know if I can be of any assistance with this. – xeno <sup style="color:black;">talk 17:26, 16 April 2010 (UTC)
 * I never used this before. I 'll check it. Thanks, Magioladitis (talk)

Yobot glitch??
Hello again, ... I think that your bot may be wonky, or else it was misused ... Talk:Gnanamani Gunasekaran was fine without this edit ... it fractured a single post created by the Flag-editor Flag-article template with an un-needed and inappropriate heading ... Just an FYI (already reverted. :-) Happy Editing! &mdash;  17:49, 16 April 2010 (UTC)
 * OK, any suggestions how to fix the template so that it doesn't include the #switch statements, but just inserts the correct value? Flag-article Flag-editor needs the same cleanup. &mdash; 71.166.147.78 (talk) 18:02, 16 April 2010 (UTC)
 * My bad ... got the templates mixed up. :-) &mdash; 71.166.147.78 (talk) 18:08, 16 April 2010 (UTC)
 * , respectively. – xeno <sup style="color:black;">talk  18:09, 16 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Thnx ... kinda obvious now that I see how it's done. &mdash; 71.166.147.78 (talk) 18:18, 16 April 2010 (UTC)

Oops! I tried the templates, and the "fix" didn't work ... see User:71.166.147.78/sandbox for the test results. &mdash; 71.166.147.78 (talk) 23:14, 16 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Try again now... – xeno <sup style="color:black;">talk 17:42, 17 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Sorry ... still broken ... don't see anything now. &mdash; 71.166.147.78 (talk) 19:01, 17 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Well, the latest change to Flag-article now assumes the  value, and no longer recognizes a Guideline, like "Movies" ... BTW, this is the stencil I use for testing on User:71.166.147.78/sandbox:""&mdash; 71.166.147.78 (talk) 23:18, 17 April 2010 (UTC)
 * I dunno what's going wrong. I'm stumped. I think that maybe somewhere along the line there is a problem with subst. I am having a similar issue at Template talk:CountryAbbr2. – xeno <sup style="color:black;">talk 01:15, 18 April 2010 (UTC)
 * OK, I'm gonna back them off to before the changes ... must be a problem with "nested"  statements. &mdash; 71.166.147.78 (talk) 03:13, 18 April 2010 (UTC)

Another bot job
Thanks for your help with Infobox journalist. Do you fancy a crack at this bot job? There's a more up-to-date list of templates to act on. Andy Mabbett (User: Pigsonthewing ); Andy's talk; Andy's edits 01:32, 17 April 2010 (UTC)
 * I thought SmackBot was doing that. -- Magioladitis (talk) 08:23, 17 April 2010 (UTC)
 * SmackBot started the work, but has made no such edits for some months; repeated requests for it to restart have been to no avail. The original request was made in August 2008! Andy Mabbett (User: Pigsonthewing ); Andy's talk; Andy's edits 16:21, 17 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Any thoughts? Andy Mabbett (User: Pigsonthewing ); Andy's talk; Andy's edits 23:07, 20 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Sorry for the last answer. I haven't noticed you wrote in my talk page again! I checked it but I am not sure if I know how to do it. I don't know how to cut a string into pieces and convert it to a teplate. If someone makes the code for AWB I would be happy to run it with Yobot. -- Magioladitis (talk) 09:13, 21 April 2010 (UTC)
 * You may be able to get code from Rich Farmbrough; see Bots/Requests for approval/SmackBot XV. Andy Mabbett (User: Pigsonthewing ); Andy's talk; Andy's edits 10:30, 25 April 2010 (UTC)
 * I asked him to comment. Let's see. -- Magioladitis (talk) 10:33, 25 April 2010 (UTC)

If I find the code I can run it... Thing is I believe that this is not the best way to approach this task. We have better date handling facilities now, and people make mistakes with these templates (I just corrected one, as it happens 7 for September - a mistake I make myself from time to time). The better place to make the change is in the Infobox template, rather than the articles. First it is a once-for-all change. Secondly it removes the workload and clutter from the normal editor - including double entry of the birth date. Thirdly we can do more at the infobox level, we can change a whole class of articles' behaviour if we think necessary, we can intelligently error trap. Rich Farmbrough, 11:19, 25 April 2010 (UTC).
 * You may be right; but thee is no evidence that anyone is willing to make the necessary changes to hundreds of infoboxes; and no measure of how long it would take to do so if they were. The requested change can be implemented now; and indeed - having bot approval since August 2008 - should have been completed some time ago. It does not preclude the changes you propose from being made at some point in the future. While mistakes may be made with Start date et al, they're very rare; and should be zero if implemented by a bot as requested. Andy Mabbett (User: Pigsonthewing ); Andy's talk; Andy's edits 11:32, 25 April 2010 (UTC)

AWB general fixes
According to the AWB "rules" #4, AWB should not be used to make only general fixes, as in. &mdash; Carl (CBM · talk) 03:38, 18 April 2010 (UTC)


 * Also, I just looked at your contribs – template:otheruses4 is on RFD and should not be replaced en masse while it is under discussion. A bot will orphan it if it is deleted. &mdash; Carl (CBM · talk) 03:40, 18 April 2010 (UTC)
 * I was not planning to to mass replacements. I did about 150 edits to check AWB's latest changes. -- Magioladitis (talk) 07:06, 18 April 2010 (UTC)
 * OK, great. I noticed originally because it showed up on my watchlist, and when I looked at the diff the edit was only general fixes. &mdash; Carl (CBM · talk) 12:28, 18 April 2010 (UTC)

Please don't start any 4,000+ page AWB jobs without putting in a bot request. Rearranging DABlinks sounds exactly like the sort of "inconsequential" edit that the AWB rules warn against. And any job of that size clearly has some potential of being controversial. &mdash; Carl (CBM · talk) 00:06, 19 April 2010 (UTC)

In contrary to moving a stub tag that doesn't affect how the article appears, moving HATNOTES on the top affects the article's appereance and helps accessibility. Doing this using a bot is a good idea. -- Magioladitis (talk) 08:52, 19 April 2010 (UTC)

A module for AWB is ready and working. I ll probably gor for BRFA. -- Magioladitis (talk) 07:49, 20 April 2010 (UTC)


 * A BRFA would be good, targeting all the pages where the hatnotes are in the wrong place. This could be an ongoing job, I would think, although detecting the pages that have the problem may take a database dump. &mdash; Carl (CBM · talk) 11:30, 20 April 2010 (UTC)
 * I did some tests: I loaded pages transcluding "About" and ran trhough them. -- Magioladitis (talk) 11:44, 20 April 2010 (UTC)
 * That would make it easier to do the job on an ongoing basis. &mdash; Carl (CBM · talk) 11:49, 20 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Bots/Requests for approval/Yobot 14. This will save us from manual edits. -- Magioladitis (talk)

Moving The Hatnote
Of course I could help you with that.

Is there a way to see which articles those are? I am not allowed (currently) to replace otheruses4 with about.174.3.123.220 (talk) 23:15, 18 April 2010 (UTC)

IRC or Email
hey, do you do IRC? or email?

I'd like to contact you privately.174.3.123.220 (talk) 23:58, 18 April 2010 (UTC)

You can send me an email. Moreover, I am on IRC at AWB's channel : irc.freenode.net — #AutoWikiBrowser. -- Magioladitis (talk) 00:16, 19 April 2010 (UTC)


 * Are you on?174.3.123.220 (talk) 03:15, 19 April 2010 (UTC)


 * Hey, can you get on irc? I want to ask you something.174.3.123.220 (talk) 17:48, 21 April 2010 (UTC)

ListasBot adding class
Hi Magioladitis,

Would you mind adding your two cents to this discussion?

Thanks, Mikaey,  Devil's advocate  07:00, 20 April 2010 (UTC)

Yobot and stubs and lists of lists
What criterion is Yobot using when adding stub? I guess that dab pages are excluded, even if short: perhaps pages in Category:Lists of lists should also be excluded? An example is Lists of Australian rules football leagues - a pointless page, but not a stub. Not an incomplete list either, as its two items are complementary and there is no scope for any other item in the list. PamD (talk) 22:15, 20 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Here, too. Where is the approval for this task? Bots/Requests for approval/Yobot 11 did not say it would be adding stub tags, merely removing. Adding a stub tag seems not to be a good automatic task, since these disambiguation-type pages aren't properly categorized as such. – xeno <sup style="color:black;">talk 22:18, 20 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Yobot uses AWB, so criteria are shown in AutoWikiBrowser/User_manual.
 * @xeno: I applied for "tagging and untagging". As I said main priority is to untag Orphans but not only that.
 * @PamD. We could exclude List of lists. Is there any template for them? As I checked they are 204 pages in this category at the moment, making the problem really rare. Some of them had a stub tag which Yobot removed since they were not stubs. I'll check the subject in more detail. -- Magioladitis (talk) 22:31, 20 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Didn't explicitly mention adding stub tag; still seems not to be a good for an automated task per WP:CL-RULE and other concerns. – xeno <sup style="color:black;">talk 22:36, 20 April 2010 (UTC)
 * As you can see from the manual we don't have a clear line between stub and not stub. We have a huge gap of "unknown". Size of the article is only a parameter of stubs and we only use this ("Stubs have very little text"). We don't look what happens between 300 characters and 500 words. Plus, we follow one of the rules. We tag only in mainspace. Moreover, we count INCLUDING images, infoboxes, navigation templates, lists of examples, external links which this essay above suggests that we have to exclude! -- Magioladitis (talk) 22:43, 20 April 2010 (UTC)
 * PS I am checking the cases a stub tag was added to check if I did anything wrong. -- Magioladitis (talk) 22:44, 20 April 2010 (UTC)
 * OK, in that case my concern will be moot. – xeno <sup style="color:black;">talk 22:45, 20 April 2010 (UTC)
 * I didn't answer one of your questions: I applied for this task on Jan 16. I updated the manual on Jan 17. I ran through the code to understand what we had inside. That's the reason of forgetting to mention "add stub" Of course, I expect feedback for improvements! -- Magioladitis (talk) 22:50, 20 April 2010 (UTC)
 * As long as you are double checking that stub tag didn't get added to disambig-type pages, I have no concerns. (Other than WP:EDITH concerns, but that's minor). – xeno <sup style="color:black;">talk 22:52, 20 April 2010 (UTC)

I was blocked at the tim
That was the reason your name was up there. So why did you go to banff?174.3.123.220 (talk) 16:44, 21 April 2010 (UTC)


 * Oops, I mean what did you do in Banff.174.3.123.220 (talk) 17:03, 21 April 2010 (UTC)

??

 * "Don't solely do minor replacements as the ones about unless there is consensus to do so."

- Magioladitis (talk) 16:56, 21 April 2010 (UTC)


 * Huh?174.3.123.220 (talk) 16:57, 21 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Makes sense.:-) But this was the only example:, specifically: which I interpreted as removing spaces was fine.174.3.123.220 (talk) 17:39, 21 April 2010 (UTC)

Hey, are you on mirc? I sent you a message.174.3.123.220 (talk) 21:05, 21 April 2010 (UTC)

Category placement change
Categories for discussion/Log/2010 April 14 --MZMcBride (talk) 17:51, 21 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the heads up. I am really interested on the subject. -- Magioladitis (talk) 18:23, 21 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Might be good to move the discussion or mark it in some way. Otherwise, I imagine it'll be closed after the standard seven days without much more consideration. I don't really care how many categories we have, I just want to see all of them to be in one place (on the article, not the talk page). It might be best to move all of them and standardize the categories (and instructions) and then figure out whether some of them are needed or not in the future. --MZMcBride (talk) 19:32, 21 April 2010 (UTC)

On the placement of stubs...
Hi, Magioladitis- thank you for relaying the info to me about where stubs should be coded into a document. I have started doing so. However, I have noticed no difference in where they're rendered; I am placing the stub notation at the very end, under Categories and all else, and yet they're still showing up above the category box. It's the best I can do. The stub is, though, more obvious in a position above the categories, whatever the wikicode decides to do with it. Thanks again :) John Cesium 133 (talk) 04:49, 22 April 2010 (UTC)
 * I believe the reason for this is so that the stub categories appear last in the list of categories. – xeno <sup style="color:black;">talk 12:28, 25 April 2010 (UTC)

Sokou entry in Greek wikipedia
I saw you have contributed to the improvement of the Rosita Sokou article here in the English version. I wanted to let you know that although I had published a Greek version a few years ago, it was deleted without explanation. Now I've put it there again. Could you be so kind as to have a look whenever you got a free moment and see if there is something potentially unacceptable, as to avoid another deletion? I don't see why Greek Wikipedia should lack a Sokou entry when the English one has it, isn't it absurd? People keep calling her and expressing their surprise. I know there are not many references, but hundreds of newspaper and magazine articles and interviews that I have consulted in her archive are difficult to cite. You want me to do this? Thanks for your work! Shantimar (talk) 06:56, 22 April 2010 (UTC)

AWB and orphan tag moving
Would you please comment on before I make the change. Thanks Rjwilmsi  10:02, 22 April 2010 (UTC)

The pound symbol - &pound;
Hi Magioladitis, I noticed you had done some housekeeping on the article Longships – specifically here. Good work but I have one question. You have replaced the HTML entity  & p o u n d ;  with the keyboard £ symbol. I used the former (the entity) because it is more universally supported and not reliant on the charset of the end-user's host machine – is that not so and, if not, what is the advantage of the keyboard symbol over the entity? Best wishes Andy F (talk) 10:10, 25 April 2010 (UTC)
 * I think unicodification of pages is recommended. I ll have a look for a relevant discussion. -- Magioladitis (talk) 10:13, 25 April 2010 (UTC)
 * OK, thanks – please let me know which I should be using. Best wishes Andy F (talk) 10:42, 25 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Better use the unicode symbol than html code. -- Magioladitis (talk) 10:48, 25 April 2010 (UTC)
 * OK, will do in future. Thanks, Andy F (talk) 11:02, 25 April 2010 (UTC)

AWB ref changes
Hi. It looks to me as if one of the changes you're doing with AWB is to put named refs in alphabetical order when more than one is used at the same location, is that correct? If so, then I'm not sure this is necessarily a good thing. In some cases, and I know this is true for myself, an editor may have put the refs in descending order of their importance or relevance to the statement being supported, so putting them in alphabetical order (if that is indeed what's happening) is not only unnecessary but actually (in some very small way) hurts the article. Since this housekeeping task seems relatively unimportant, perhaps you could reconsider doing it? Or, do I have what you're doing all wrong? Best, Beyond My Ken (talk) 19:35, 25 April 2010 (UTC)
 * I did the changes semi-automatically. I didn't notice anything that indicates the references should be in a specific order or another. Thus, I preferred the one that looks better in printing i.e. the ordered references. -- Magioladitis (talk) 21:04, 25 April 2010 (UTC)
 * But there's nothing that would tell you that one order was preferred over another without reading the references and weighing their importance to the statement being supported, which is why I don't think taht it's the kind of change that should be made semi-automaticallty. Beyond My Ken (talk) 21:58, 25 April 2010 (UTC)
 * But I am an editor too and I can judge when I see references which method to choose! -- Magioladitis (talk) 22:02, 25 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Sure, you're an editor too, but looking at your contributions, in these cases you are an editor doing cleanup on a number of articles in a fairly quick way, which is good work and needs to be done, but your relationship with the material is not liekly to be as deep as that of the editors who provided the references, but despite this you're putting your (quick) judgment call over theirs. In many -- perhaps even most -- cases it doesn't make any differences, but it seems likely that there will be cases where your reconfiguration of the refs does a disservice to the article.  All I'm suggesting is that you might want to consider not making thar particular kind of change in that particular way.  If you want to delve into the article, read the sources, and then make a judgment, that's fine, but reordering the refs in a semi-automatic way isn't quite the same as changing "Image" to "File" (which, incidentally, is a totally unnecessary change, as to the system "File" and "Image" are the same thing.) Beyond My Ken (talk) 22:16, 25 April 2010 (UTC)


 * This is an ongoing AWB problem. Per WP:CITE, the established stile should be kept, and references should not be rearranged or reformatted in any large-scale way. Changing reference order without actually reading the references would be an example of what not to do. Beyond my Ken, you should keep in mind that you can undo any AWB changes that seem less than ideal to you. &mdash; Carl (CBM · talk) 22:19, 25 April 2010 (UTC)


 * @Carl: Oh sure, I'm aware of that, and, in fact, in the instance where Magioladitis' edits came to my attention, there was nothing untoward in the reference re-ordering; it simply occured to me that doing it semi-automatically wasn't the best idea. I'm satisfied from this conversation that Magioladitis is committed to giving due diligence when he or she re-orders refs, so I'm good. Beyond My Ken (talk) 22:53, 25 April 2010 (UTC)
 * ... I am a "he" :) -- Magioladitis (talk) 22:54, 25 April 2010 (UTC)


 * The time I spend on an article when I make a non-trivial change is more than the ones I see only trivial changes. Check my last bunch of edits. I did like 300 moves of DAB links. How many references reorders do you see? I spend time myself in improving references. It may seems that I work fast but I think it's because I am used working with AWB. -- Magioladitis (talk) 22:23, 25 April 2010 (UTC)


 * OK, I don't want to make a big deal out of it, because it's not really a big deal. Best, Beyond My Ken (talk) 22:25, 25 April 2010 (UTC)


 * I am aware of this different approach to ref ordering so I am extra cautious when dealing with it. Check List of aviation shootdowns and accidents during the Iraq War. I consider myself to be spending a ,ot of time in improving references. Cheers, Magioladitis (talk) 22:28, 25 April 2010 (UTC)


 * The issue is not so much with small-scale manual edits, but with things that are "automatic" and get done by AWB on its own. The actual rate of rearranging that I saw from SmackBot was very low, but nevertheless it kept rearranging refs automatically until the "feature" was disabled. I left a note in the Yobot BRFA about the need for that disabling. Limited-scale manual edits are not as bad, if done very carefully on a case by case basis. &mdash; Carl (CBM · talk) 22:31, 25 April 2010 (UTC)

The List of aviation shootdowns and accidents during the Iraq War seem fine to me – you made ongoing edits, were looking at an article assessment, and did not use edit summaries involving AWB. That's just normal editing. The thing that I am concerned about is large-scale one-off edits. &mdash; Carl (CBM · talk) 23:19, 25 April 2010 (UTC)

about conglomerate with otheruses
I noticed that when you were replacing otheruses4 when otheruses also appeared, you left otheruses alone. It is preferable to use asdfsdf which results in:


 * This article is about asdfsdf. For spaces in the sky, see slidfd. For other uses, see sdflslkj.

174.3.123.220 (talk) 02:05, 26 April 2010 (UTC)


 * Not always. No reason to state the obvious sometimes. That's why we have otheruses. I simplified a lot of DABlinks. Check . -- Magioladitis (talk) 05:54, 26 April 2010 (UTC)


 * No, you used both otheruses AND about in some articles. about can accommodate otheruses.174.3.123.220 (talk) 02:56, 1 May 2010 (UTC)

Ancient Yobot false positives
Yobot tagged a couple of geographical/historical articles as bios a year ago that were fixed by humans today. I guess the cause was that both articles were (are) in Category:Trojans which, rightly or wrongly, is a sub-category of Category:Ancient people. I mention it only for your information, as the banners were merely an inconvenience. --Hroðulf (or Hrothulf) (Talk) 12:32, 27 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Thanks for reporting. On this date I ran in Category:4th-31st century BC people. So there was some problem in categorisation. I have lmited myself to subcategories of depth 1 to avoid these problems in the future. Very good report though (diff, in my talk page, suggestion of what the problem could be about). Thanks, Magioladitis (talk) 13:50, 27 April 2010 (UTC)

Wow, he must be REALLY old, then!
 Must be the outdoor and active lifestyle, eh? Yogurt and horsemeat? --GRuban (talk) 15:24, 27 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Lol. Apparently I accidentally pressed save instead of skip while adding Living people to various people. -- Magioladitis (talk) 17:04, 27 April 2010 (UTC)

untitled
Hey there I need some help to think about and if possible and appropriate do create the Monty pyhton soccer match sketch page in German wikipedia to attract perhaps some German philosophers and certainly some Beckenbauers for the match of May 9th as visitors.

Could you help me with this? I am new to the policies and the polis of wikipedia and used to follow policies and guidelines as I grew up near the Rhine river but right next to the French border....

Medenagan314 (talk) 09:25, 30 April 2010 (UTC)
 * I can't help this that. Sorry. Please ask someone else in German wikipedia. -- Magioladitis (talk) 14:12, 30 April 2010 (UTC)

WikiCup 2010 April newsletter
Round two is over, and we are down to our final 32. For anyone interested in the final standings (though not arranged by group) this page has been compiled. Congratulations to, our clear overall round winner, and to and , who were solidly second and third respectively. There were a good number of high scorers this round- competition was certainly tough! Round three begins tomorrow, but anything promoted after the end of round two is eligible for points. 16 contestants (eight pool leaders and eight wildcards) will progress to round four in two months- things are really starting to get competitive. Anything you worry may not receive the necessary attention before the end of the round (such as outstanding GA or FA nominations) is welcome at WikiCup/Reviews, and please remember to continue offering reviews yourself where possible. As always, the judges are available to contact via email, IRC or their talk pages, and general discussion about the Cup is welcome on the WikiCup talk page.

Judge iMatthew has retired from Wikipedia, and we wish him the best. The competition has been ticking over well with minimal need for judge intervention, so thank you to everyone making that possible. A special thank you goes to participants and  for their help in preparing for round three. Good luck everyone! If you wish to start receiving or stop receiving this newsletter, please feel free to add or remove yourself from WikiCup/Newsletter/Send. J Milburn, Fox and The ed17 17:36, 30 April 2010 (UTC)

mirc
I've got something to tell you. Want to log on irc?174.3.123.220 (talk) 03:09, 1 May 2010 (UTC)
 * I am busy at real life lately and I am coming on irc more seldom. Try to reach me but I think it will be difficult. I see that you are using some guidelines to your latest entries. That's very good. Keep in mind that anonymous IPs, even when they are used by a single person, receive a lot of messages in their talk pages. Be prepared to discuss with other editors about your edits. -- Magioladitis (talk) 07:42, 1 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Hey, I noticed your on wikipedia. If you hope on irc now, I can tell you something.174.3.123.220 (talk) 06:56, 2 May 2010 (UTC)

AWB and reference reordering
You mentioned on the Yobot 14 BRFA that you might be able to disable reference re-ordering in AWB, at least in bot mode. Has that moved forward any? &mdash; Carl (CBM · talk) 14:48, 3 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Yes, I ll hack the code and disactivate it myself and recompile. Still think we need a central discussion on the matter. I never heard of references ordered by importance. -- Magioladitis (talk) 16:26, 3 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Rich F. has proposed a general AWB change here. &mdash; Carl (CBM · talk) 17:03, 3 May 2010 (UTC)

The overall issue with ordering is that the Wikipedia "footnotes" are not really footnotes. Normally, a paper using footnotes never refers to the same footnote number more than once; they use a new number and "ibid." to repeat a reference. They also have a separate bibliography to list the sources that were cited. Footnotes here are guaranteed to be in numerical order, because they are true footnotes. Moreover, the footnotes cite specific pages in the work, while the bibliography lists the works themselves.

There is a different style where the references are numbered in alphabetical order at the end of the work (1,2, 3, ...) and then in-text numbers are used to refer to them. For example, the text could have a sentence like "Jones [4] argues that Bartle [2] is incorrect". Another version of this uses non-numeric identifiers: "Jones [J2004] argues that Bartle [B2001] is incorrect." In this type of citation, it is not as obvious what order to put multiple citations in. Some journals number them numerically ("See [3, 5, 7]") while others allow authors to order them by importance ("See [5, 3, 7]").

On Wikipedia, many of our articles do not have a separate bibliography, and so the list of "notes" serves both as footnotes and as a bibliography. In particular, our footnotes often refer to entire works (as in the "different style") rather than to specific pages. In that setting, authors who are used to the "different" system may arrange references either numerically or by importance. For an example, see this revision at the very end, where it has [34][20]. Reference 34 is a specific note unique to that paragraph and appear carefully chosen. Reference 20, which is very vague, is used in many places. It's natural in a setting like that to put the specific citation first and the general one second. &mdash; Carl (CBM · talk) 17:34, 3 May 2010 (UTC)

Thanks for the long comment. There is a way to disactivate the specific procedure for Yobot. I had some problems compiling the code on Windows 7 but I ll think of a solution to that. -- Magioladitis (talk) 18:21, 3 May 2010 (UTC)

Listas bot
Regarding this, having a note that adding comments stops the bot right on the talk page would probably be a great deal more useful than having it posted on the bot's userpage. I don't think many users will check the userpage prior to posting (and not all of those who will are going to read it in its entirety). What's more, why is this note not included in big red letters within the big red box which pops up when someone clicks "Edit" on the bot's talk page? There's all kinds of high-handed stuff there, but not this? Just a thought.—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); May 4, 2010; 13:54 (UTC)
 * Mikaey must update the bot's talk page notice. You are right. I thought it was written with big red letters but I was mistaken. Thanks for the heads up. -- Magioladitis (talk) 13:57, 4 May 2010 (UTC)
 * No problem.—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); May 4, 2010; 14:06 (UTC)

Expand
I have hidden the tag, so there's no urgency removing it. I take it the stubs are all done. Of the remaining uses less than 18000 are for the whole article, so I am thinking of DRVing the deletion. Rich Farmbrough, 01:19, 5 May 2010 (UTC).
 * I can wait until DRV closes. The only things I could extra do is

Do you agree? -- Magioladitis (talk) 06:11, 5 May 2010 (UTC)
 * change expand with expand-section when the tag is in a section and
 * replace it with empty-section if the section is empty.
 * That should be done anyway - see SmackBot task XXIV. I have left a note with the closing admin. It is a shame that my comments on the TfD got swamped, I don't think my points there got through, an opposed change like that could do with more discussion - for example moving the tag to the talk page wasn't even raised, and hiding it wasn't discussed (only raised by me). Nor was any information gathered to inform the case. Unfortunately I only keep a couple of dumps, and the on-wiki situation is changed radically I think.  Rich Farmbrough, 09:45, 5 May 2010 (UTC).

Caps problem with converting tags into Multiple Issues tag
Hi there, this edit by Yobot actually dropped the page out of the UnreferencedBLP cat, as the multiple issues template doesn't seem to recognise UnreferencedBLP, but only unreferencedBLP (lowercase). Should Yobot auto switch the tag to lower case if it's moving a standalone tag into a multiple issues container, or should the Multiple issues template take into account all of the |19 redirects (38 with lower and upper case!) to the BLP unsourced template? Cheers, The-Pope (talk) 15:49, 6 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the report. I think the first is better. I'll ask Rjw for help on fixing it. -- Magioladitis (talk) 15:51, 6 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Fixed in . Nice catch. -- Magioladitis (talk) 12:58, 7 May 2010 (UTC)

Note
I left a long response to your note on ANI. &mdash; Carl (CBM · talk) 12:22, 10 May 2010 (UTC)

Improper line feeds, date revisions
I copied the following discussion from Yobot's talk page so as not to unnecessarily stop the bot:

The bot is inserting improper line feeds into the name attribute of ref elements, as illustrated by this edit. The same edit illustrates undocumented changes to accessdate formats. Jc3s5h (talk) 18:48, 9 May 2010 (UTC)
 * On the accessdate: Per cite web's documentation accessdate must be in one of the following formats: Day Month Year, Month Day, Year, YYYY-MM-DD. The ones Yobot fixed were in non of them. The rest were in YYYY-MM-DD format and Yobot aligned the YYYY-Month-DD format to them.
 * On the refs: The break lines were already there. Yobot added the quotes. -- Magioladitis (talk) 09:11, 10 May 2010 (UTC)


 * "Per cite web's documentation accessdate must be in one of the following formats: Day Month Year, Month Day, Year, YYYY-MM-DD." The documentation says no such thing. It gives examples in the stated formats, but does not say those are the only allowable ones. While it would not have been appropriate for the article in question, cite web is derived from the APA style, which uses the Year, Month Day format in references. This format would be allowed if the article was using APA style.


 * As for the linefeeds, Wikipedia markup allows a single linefeed at the end of any word or other token. It is wrong to separate a word from enclosing quotes. Thus placing the quote after the linefeed was wrong. Jc3s5h (talk) 17:00, 10 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Yes resolves that ref name quotes and linfeeds bug in AWB.  Rjwilmsi  20:13, 10 May 2010 (UTC)

Eh
Just because you're moving the useless edits from your bot to your main account doesn't mean they're any less useless or any less a violation of WP:AWB. – xeno <sup style="color:black;">talk 16:04, 11 May 2010 (UTC)
 * I don't they are that useless. They make things easier to read. Anyway, I just finishes moving from AlienProject to WikiProject Aliens. -- Magioladitis (talk) 16:07, 11 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Hardly. Please see WP:AWB and WP:R2D. I am going to simply start issuing blocks on either your main account or your bot account for pointless edits like this. I shouldn't have to tell you every time - you should know better. – xeno <sup style="color:black;">talk 16:08, 11 May 2010 (UTC)
 * FYI Wikipedia talk:AutoWikiBrowser. – xeno <sup style="color:black;">talk 16:29, 11 May 2010 (UTC)


 * I thought you might find this edit particularly delicious. – xeno <sup style="color:black;">talk 22:27, 25 May 2010 (UTC)
 * That's really nice indeed. :) -- Magioladitis (talk) 07:44, 26 May 2010 (UTC)

MergeDablinks
If calling MergeDablinks you can't now just call it directly as the comments hiding is done by the genfixes logic. Therefore you'd need to use a custom genfixes module per the custom modules examples page. Rjwilmsi 17:49, 11 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the advice. The good thing is that I have a list with pages that need fix from the database scan. -- Magioladitis (talk) 06:36, 12 May 2010 (UTC)

Yobot and hatnotes
Why is Yobot moving the hatnotes above the protection template? This not only seems a pointless edit (it makes no visible difference to the page) but is also illogical. In the majority of cases the small parameter is set in the protection template which produces an icon on the title line. This will be above the hatnotes regardless of the order of the templates. Surely it makes sense that the edit view should have the data in the same order that it appears on page? Even if a protection banner is used, it still makes sense to have it above the hatnotes else you are giving the untrue impression that the hatnotes are not protected. Also protection is usually temporary, it is helpful to have it at the top where it easily found rather than buried under the hatnotes when it is being removed or modified.

WP:PP requires the protection template to be placed at the top. True, WP:DAB and WP:HNP also requires the hatnotes at the top, but besides the reasons given above, I would have thought that a policy page trumps guidelines. WP:HNP is talking about what the reader sees, they will not see the protection template with small=yes set.  Sp in ni ng  Spark  10:17, 14 May 2010 (UTC)
 * I can ask for a small modification of AWB's code to prevent this move. I think the best is to start a discussion in WP:LAYOUT so that we form a solid strategy on that and take more opinions on the subject. In my understanding the DABlinks refer to pages outside the article and the protection refers to article itself so DABlinks should be on top of the protection template. -- Magioladitis (talk) 10:32, 14 May 2010 (UTC)
 * "Policy trumps guidelines" maybe, but the reason for hatnotes at the top is compelling, while PP merely says the templates "may be added at the very top". Rich Farmbrough, 11:15, 14 May 2010 (UTC).

rev 6541
If you change the code please run the unit tests after. fixes this time. Thanks Rjwilmsi  21:31, 18 May 2010 (UTC)

Plugins in ErrorHandler
Read the commit summary

Cheers

—<font face="Trebuchet MS"> Ree dy  01:15, 26 May 2010 (UTC)

Lol. I like it. -- Magioladitis (talk) 07:45, 26 May 2010 (UTC)

IP address proposed block
Hello there,

My school's page, Sir Thomas Picton School, is constantly being vandalised from inside the school network, which used a shared IP address. I'm constantly going on there and undoing stupid edits by people who really have no respect for the page. I propose that you block this IP address: 195.195.223.177. If you look at the history you will see what I mean. It was blocked until recently, but it has obviously been lifted.

Thanks. TGLewis (talk) 17:35, 26 May 2010 (UTC)

Yobot: incorrect DEFAULTSORT
Hi, Yobot an incorrect DEFAULTSORT. It's puzzling as to why it didn't recognize the article as being about a person. Among other clues, it included birth and death dates at the top, as well as a BD (which Yobot substituted to additionally include the correct DEFAULTSORT). M AN d ARAX •  XAЯA b ИA M  18:17, 26 May 2010 (UTC)
 * When substituting BD I have all general fixes disactivated. Yobot only substed BD ignoring that there was an additional DEFAULTSORT in the article. -- Magioladitis (talk) 09:14, 27 May 2010 (UTC)
 * No, there was originally no explicit DEFAULTSORT. Yobot added both DEFAULTSORTs: the correct one from the BD and the additional, incorrect one. Maybe you don't have the "Restrict DEFAULTSORT" option selected. But still, AWB should have recognized it as a bio and provided the correct sort key accordingly. M AN d ARAX  •  XAЯA b ИA M  09:31, 27 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Hm... it probably has to do with the order the things happen. It activated genfixes but it didn't see the categories since there were hidden. Btw, I have restrict DEFAULTSORT activated. I am 100% sure for that. -- Magioladitis (talk) 09:34, 27 May 2010 (UTC)
 * happened today, except in this case, the DEFAULTSORT added by subst'ing the BD was incorrect, and the second one which Yobot added was correct. In this instance, it was actually a good thing that this happened, as I discovered the page in Category:Pages with DEFAULTSORT conflicts, and I removed the incorrect sort key which had been in the BD, but in general I don't think bots should be adding two DEFAULTSORTs. M AN d ARAX  •  XAЯA b ИA M  19:26, 1 June 2010 (UTC)

Thanks for reverting me!
Thanks for fixing this. I knew I needed to revisit that to be sure I hadn't gotten it wrong, but hadn't gotten around to it yet. :) --Auntof6 (talk) 09:07, 27 May 2010 (UTC)
 * No problem. I was also confused in the beginning. I had to check the manual before reverting. -- Magioladitis (talk) 09:15, 27 May 2010 (UTC)

Yobot - category link
I'd draw your attention to this edit where Yobot put a category link into without prefixing it with colon. (The problem is now fixed, for that edit, but it's a bug in Yobot's operation.) -- <font style="color:#FFFF80;background:#006000"> Dr Greg  <font style="color:#006000;background:#FFFF80"> talk 11:21, 31 May 2010 (UTC)
 * I thought we have this fixed in . I am currently running svn 6583. -- Magioladitis (talk) 11:31, 31 May 2010 (UTC)

This instance was in the 4th parameter to, not the 2nd. And the problem occurred only a few hours ago. -- <font style="color:#FFFF80;background:#006000"> Dr Greg  <font style="color:#006000;background:#FFFF80"> talk 13:46, 31 May 2010 (UTC)
 * I didn't deny there is a bug. I wrote down some note to help fixing it. Thanks for reporting! -- Magioladitis (talk) 14:03, 31 May 2010 (UTC)
 * by Rjw. -- Magioladitis (talk) 16:46, 31 May 2010 (UTC)

WikiCup 2010 May newsletter
We are half way through round 3, with a little under a month to go. The current overall leader is, who has 570 points. He leads pool C. Pools A, B and D are led by, and  respectively. Anything you worry may not receive the necessary attention before the end of the round (such as outstanding GA or FA nominations) is welcome at WikiCup/Reviews, and please remember to continue offering reviews yourself where possible. As always, the judges are available to contact via email, IRC or their talk pages, and general discussion about the Cup is welcome on the WikiCup talk page.

Two of last year's final 8, and, have dropped out of the competition, saying they would rather their place went to someone who will have more time on their hands than them next round. On a related note, a special thank you goes to for his help behind the scenes once again. There is currently a problem with the poster, perhaps caused by the new skin- take a look at this discussion and see if you can help. The competition has continued to tick over well with minimal need for judge intervention, so thank you to everyone making that possible. Good luck to all! If you wish to start receiving or stop receiving this newsletter, please feel free to add or remove yourself from WikiCup/Newsletter/Send. J Milburn, Fox and The ed17 20:50, 31 May 2010 (UTC)

Bay of Pigs
Hi, Yobot has amended the About template at Bay of Pigs. IMHO it looks less tidy than before, and the 'geographical' statement is surely now in the wrong place. I have previously reversed a similar unsightly integration of two About templates. Please consider reversing this latest, MTIA.PeterWD (talk) 16:34, 1 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Thanks for bringing this into my attention. I did this. Probably is much better. I have noticed that the first time I ran the move but I couldn't think of a good solution. I think my last edit is a good one. Please check and tell me your opinion. -- Magioladitis (talk) 22:32, 1 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Thanks for your attention and action. However, I remain convinced that the previous presentation is much more user-friendly and tidy. Perhaps you might look into ways of achieving better presentation for multiple 'abouts'; I tried variations with embedded line breaks, but they didn't achieve a neat result.PeterWD (talk) 22:44, 1 June 2010 (UTC)
 * There is something more. It's better using standarised templates to help us locate articles with dablinks. If I think of something better I ll try it! -- Magioladitis (talk) 23:15, 1 June 2010 (UTC)

"other peoepl1"
Is that a typo?

—<font face="Trebuchet MS"> Ree dy  10:12, 2 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Yes :( -- Magioladitis (talk) 10:19, 2 June 2010 (UTC)

Help:English to Greek Translation
Hello! I need some help on English to Greek translation. For english words "Bishop of Rome", which words are more suitable "Επίσκοπο της Ρώμης" or "Επίσκοπος Ρώμης". If you think none of these is right, feel free to suggest your own words. Thank you. Amit6 (talk) 17:42, 6 June 2010 (UTC)
 * "Επίσκοπος Ρώμης" -- Magioladitis (talk) 20:34, 6 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Thank you. Amit6 (talk) 14:31, 7 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Is this for a Greek article? Is yes, I could help by reviewing it. -- Magioladitis (talk) 14:55, 7 June 2010 (UTC)
 * No, I am just working with ancient Christianity (more specifically Pentarchy). I dont know Greek and I am not satisfied with Google Translator, so I asked you. Amit6 (talk) 15:15, 7 June 2010 (UTC)

Order of LinkFGAs on ar-wiki
You were right that the order of Link FAs etc. on ar-wiki was getting reversed. fixes. Rjwilmsi 18:23, 6 June 2010 (UTC)

Containers
Thanks, fixed. Rich Farmbrough, 23:57, 6 June 2010 (UTC).
 * Thanks again. skipping all with &lt;small> for now. Annoying because I only upgraded, as my special "CBM" compliant version was out of date and I had to make a new one - my normal AWB was working fine. Rich Farmbrough, 00:28, 7 June 2010 (UTC).
 * Rjw, started closing unclosed small tags. A database scan found 18,300 unclosed small tags in mainspace. -- Magioladitis (talk) 14:08, 9 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Strictly that is 18,300 mainspace pages with one or more unclosed small tags as of March. Happily User:Plastikspork will be fixing a fair number of them with his French commune demography tidy up work. Rjwilmsi  16:17, 9 June 2010 (UTC)

Yobot Source Code
Hello, I noticed that you said that source code for Yobot was available on request, and I was wondering if you could show me the configuration you used to automatically assess the class of articles (BRFA 9) based on other WikiProjects, as I think it would be useful for a bot I am working on. Thank you very much. - <font color="#21421E" face="Harrington">EdoDodo talk 13:53, 9 June 2010 (UTC)
 * As far as I know Yobot doesn't yet do this, but I think I sent Mag a copy of Xenobot's codebase a while back. I can send you the latest version (email me), please just make a note somewhere on the bot's page that the inheritance code was borrowed from user:Xenobot Mk V. – xeno <sup style="color:black;">talk 13:56, 9 June 2010 (UTC)
 * It's cool to have someone answer for you :P I confirm what xeno just wrote. xeno sent me a copy of the code and I was supposed to modify it but I am waiting for a working version of Plugin++. -- Magioladitis (talk) 14:07, 9 June 2010 (UTC)
 * .oOo.? Working version? It works, but it's got to be kicked and prodded into doing what you want! – xeno <sup style="color:black;">talk 14:08, 9 June 2010 (UTC)

CheckWiki errors
FYI (a change I made) -- feel free to revert if you disapprove.

Do you know how the severity of these errors was determined? There are some I think should be changed, such as: There are probably others that could be adjusted as well. What do you think? --Auntof6 (talk) 05:20, 11 June 2010 (UTC)
 * 80 (External link with line break), from medium to high because it not only looks bad, it doesn't allow clicking on the link
 * 86 (External link with two brackets), from high to medium because, although it looks funny, you can still click on the link.


 * I 've no idea how and who defined the priority of the errors. Batter contact de:Benutzer:Stefan Kühn/Check Wikipedia too. I agree with 80. I would keep 86 in high level just because I hate seeing it in printed pages.
 * I noted 80 in User:Magioladitis/AWB and CHECKWIKI as "Yes" and not "Partial". Are you aware of any cases that AWB won't work?

-- Magioladitis (talk) 06:38, 11 June 2010 (UTC)


 * Yes, I see them all the time. Here are some examples:
 * Reference 21 in this version of Centaur
 * Reference 46 in this version of Climate Change Science Program
 * Reference 1 in this version of Compost
 * I've also seen AWB not catch one when there is a line break in the middle of the title= value in a cite web template. Somewhere in the process of translating that for display, it ends up as a line break in an external link.
 * HTH. --Auntof6 (talk) 07:59, 11 June 2010 (UTC)
 * I thought we were looking only for external links outside templates... Probably we never thought of this case. I'' inform Rjw and Reedy. -- Magioladitis (talk) 08:03, 11 June 2010 (UTC)
 * The three examples I gave are outside of templates. --Auntof6 (talk) 08:13, 11 June 2010 (UTC)
 * I meant references. -- Magioladitis (talk) 08:45, 11 June 2010 (UTC)

We need a category selection wizard flowchart
With regards the at least one core issue with the categories currently being discussed at Categories for discussion/Log/2010 June 9 I propose that we device a common decision-making assistant in a green box for all of these categories in the form of a flow-chart, so that by answering simple questions about the status of vital data of the person in question, one unambiguously ends up with the correct maintenance category to use. If we do this well enough the miscategorization problem ought to go down considerably. __meco (talk) 07:16, 11 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Check http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User:Yobot&oldid=366182886#Before_contacting I had a table based on the previous consensus with a lot of information. If you create the form you want I can help in adding the text. I am not good in making nice looking boxes. The thing is that "... missing" categories are maintenance cats but "...unknown" are not. If the year/date is unknown there is nothing to add. Into my experience I haven't seen one single article to prove that the dates are unknown and really need the category. "People missing", "Year of death uncertain" do better job. But... if you still believe in these categories I can help. I wish this job was coordinated by someone expert in History. -- Magioladitis (talk) 07:24, 11 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Just a digression. You mark your edits as minor also when they clearly aren't. __meco (talk) 07:29, 11 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Check edit history. My main change wasn't marked as minor. I marked as minor the fix edit following it. I wasn't planning to make an official box afterall. It's something I created to my bot's page to link when leaving messages to editors. -- Magioladitis (talk) 07:50, 11 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Ah. you are referring to my comments in the talk page. Hm... you are right. I can fix this. -- Magioladitis (talk) 07:51, 11 June 2010 (UTC)

good article
Sure I can move it around. It's more difficult in AWB, but if that's what you want, that's what I can do. —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 00:27, 12 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Right As you might have seen, I responded there--but I am not watching that page, so I won't see any other responses, unless they are on my talk. If someone wants to make a bot like that, I am fine with it--in fact, it's probably a good idea, so as to keep the usage of the template up-to-date--but there are only 1,052 out of over 9,000 good articles left, so I could easily have them polished off in a matter of days. Again, if you need me, please post to my talk. —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 00:48, 12 June 2010 (UTC)

Follow-up on to my commons cat multi question on the AWB FR page
As you know I recently suggested adding logic to AWB to consolidate some of the articles with more than one occasion of common cat into common cat multi. Upon doing a little research I also discovered that as with many things in WP, there seems to be more than one seemingly redundant template. For example there is template:commons, commons cat, commons cat multi, sister projects, and probably others. My question is do you know what the difference is between these different templates, if anything? --Kumioko (talk) 16:12, 12 June 2010 (UTC)
 * I had no idea. Let's think a way to make the biggest possible merge. -- Magioladitis (talk) 16:16, 12 June 2010 (UTC)
 * I agree, may as well do this right the first time. --Kumioko (talk) 17:19, 12 June 2010 (UTC)


 * Commons category is clearer than, so I would be reluctant to merge those.
 * Sisterlinks needs a space really. Is already at Sister project links which is better.
 * Commons cat multi should either spell out category or merge with (redirect to) Commons category anyway.
 * Most of the Wiki.. series (Wikitravel etc.) have a wiki...par version which is now, or should be a redirect.
 * All the Wiki.... series should (in an ideal world) accept multiple destinations, but some have parameter 2 as a label. With Wiktionary there were so few uses (four or something like that) that I moved them to a new template, and moved an improved version of Wiktionarypar over Wiktionary.
 * Links should generally be in External links, but Wiktionary can be at or near the top, especially on short articles or disambiguation pages.

That's what I can call to mind - and if we moved all sister links apart from Wikitionary ones (and even those from other standard appendices) to External links and consolidated them into one box if there were many it would be good. However merging, say, Wikitravel to Sister links, in a way that deprecates Wikitravel, would not be a good idea, as it is less intuitive to use and would require fiddly parameters.

Rich Farmbrough, 18:56, 12 June 2010 (UTC).
 * Thanks Rich and sorry to keep expanding on this dilemna but here is a little writeup of what I have found so far. There appears to be a staggering number of templates available on WP that allow users to link to other Wikis such as Wikispecies, Wikisource, Commons, etc. In addition to the ones I have listed below there are also multiple templates each to link the articles in Wikipedia to each wiki individually sich as template:Wikinews, template:Wiktionary, etc. Additionally they all seem to have variations of the same logic. I think this is not only confusing but from a maintenance standpoint its hard to manage. I recommend we start by ensure that the logic for Template:Commons can handle this logic which for the most part it or one of the Commons templates can. For example, it should be able to accept multiple Sisterprojects, multiple categories and align left. All of which can be done with one of the first 5 commons templates. Once this has been completed then we can start phasing out some of the other templates one by one utilizing a bot. Then once no more articles link to them we can recommend them for deletion. As mentioned above the bottomline to this is that I think to have this many templates doing same or similar things is confusing and disorganized. Additionally it makes it exremely hard to determine which articles has this type of logic or link. But again this is just my opinion based on my rather limited understanding of how these templates work.


 * 1) Template:Commons
 * 2) Template:Commons category = Incorporate logic into template:Commons
 * 3) Template:Commons category-inline = Incorporate logic into template:Commons
 * 4) Template:Commons cat multi
 * 5) Template:Commons cat left = Logic already capable in the Commons and Commons category templates. Recommend for delation
 * 6) Template:Commons category-inline = Logic already capable in the Commons and Commons category templates. Recommend for delation
 * 7) Template:Commons+cat = Not sure how this differs but it seems redundant
 * 8) Template:Commons-inline = Not sure how this differs but it seems redundant
 * 9) Template:Sister = Seems like a more robust way to link to other wikis.
 * 10) Template:Sister project links = seems redundant of the above --Kumioko (talk) 19:03, 12 June 2010 (UTC)

Thanks for the comments. AWB:
 * Changes to Commons category
 * Moves Wiktionary to External links if this section exists.


 * I support the idea of merging Wikitravel. I am waiting for suggestions how we can move further. -- Magioladitis (talk) 19:05, 12 June 2010 (UTC)

Commons should not support other sister projects, although the various projects could share a core template. This is how I see the structure that should be created, at the moment:


 * Project X: flag, cat flag, inline, inline cat. (all supporting multi)
 * Project Y: flag, cat flag, inline, inline cat. (all supporting multi)


 * Sister : flag, cat flag, inline, inline cat. (all supporting multi)


 * Only the sister subfamily would explicitly support more than one project. Of course if things ended up so that you could write {Wiktionary| travel = "San Antonio"} and it worked, that would not be harmful.


 * Rich Farmbrough, 19:12, 12 June 2010 (UTC).
 * If I understand how this works, isnt commons itself a "Sister project" so thereby if we used the template for Sister projects as the main "core" then commons, wiktionary, etc could be linked together into one box. If, we could make this work fro all the others and due to its design wikitravel is the exception then I can live with that. Unfortunately, I am not a template design expert and probably not the best choice to reverse and re-engineer these but I would be willing to give it a crack if everyone else is busy. --Kumioko (talk) 19:31, 12 June 2010 (UTC)

Bad bot behavior
I have been creating articles on World War I flying aces; in the process, I have been leaving the death dates vacant when unknown because that is what I had been advised. Now your bot insists there is a cohort of creaky old geezers creaking about in their 120s. I am manually correcting the problem, and burying them all. I have also decided to ignore prior advice, and add "unknown" under death date. It's going to be a long haul; I probably have a couple hundred articles out there where death date is unknown.

Georgejdorner (talk) 15:54, 13 June 2010 (UTC)

If you have an estimate for the death: century, decade, etc. please add the most applicable. After a discussion we had in WPBiogaphy, Yobot will add Living people to all people under 123 years old that evidence of death is missing. The reason is that we want to be at the safe side in protecting WP:BLP. -- Magioladitis (talk) 21:14, 13 June 2010 (UTC)

I answered in my talk page where you left a message. Let me summarise:
 * My bot ran this task 3 days ago so nothing changed between your first and second message.
 * If the Year of death is unknown to you (but not verifiable unknown) please add Category:Year of death missing to the article.
 * If you have more info on the death, for example you know the century of the decade please add a more accurate category like Category:20th-century deaths etc.
 * Per consensus, every person that was born in the last 123 years that we don't have any evidence of death is marked as alive. The reason is to be sure that we are protecting the person's rights. Wikipedia take biographies of living people really seriously. Check WP:BLP for more.

I have some info on the tagging on User:Yobot. I don't know if they are enough.

If you have more questions I would be more than happy to help. Thanks, Magioladitis (talk) 14:24, 16 June 2010 (UTC)

RE: NullReferenceException in DelinkerAWBPlugin.ProcessArticle
I don't know, one sec... let me check..... It seems to have been a random error, after I restarted the programs it has been working fine. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Cit helper (talk • contribs) 23:00, 14 June 2010 (UTC)

Question
Thank you kindly for the help with the asteroids. When you get a chance, could you also set the bot loose on, so as to add to any article that doesn't already have it? It's a ~2,400-article job. There will probably be other patterns that I can identify as I continue to go through the list, so I'll let you know if and when I come across another batch that can be safely handed off to a bot. Thanks again. Bearcat (talk) 22:01, 16 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Magioladitis (talk) 22:12, 16 June 2010 (UTC)
 * 2,427 pages affected. I contacted the person who removed the categories too. -- Magioladitis (talk) 00:36, 17 June 2010 (UTC)

AWB Q
About halfway down this edit, AWB removed an opening brace inside nowiki tags. Do you know if this is an AWB issue, or the editor's configuration? &mdash; Carl (CBM · talk) 00:41, 17 June 2010 (UTC)
 * AWB didn't do the "edit" That was a manual edit on my part but it was because AWB saw it as an unbalanced bracket. --Kumioko (talk) 00:47, 17 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Ah, OK. That makes sense and explains why I never saw it in AWB before. &mdash; Carl (CBM · talk) 00:54, 17 June 2010 (UTC)

Re: Why double?
A mistake, of course ;) Flakinho (talk) 16:23, 17 June 2010 (UTC)

Commented out sections and Yobot
Re this edit : Those "For" templates were intentionally commented out. They still don't lead anywhere interesting - one is a redirect, the other is to an article that should arguably be deleted as unnotable and regardless doesn't explain why it has anything to do with "Le Monde." If templates have been commented out, it's probably best for the bot to just ignore them. SnowFire (talk) 21:19, 17 June 2010 (UTC)
 * fixes the problem. Thanks for the report. -- Magioladitis (talk) 08:36, 20 June 2010 (UTC)

Yobot bug?
I think Yobot left stray '\r\n\r\n' characters in a recent edit to the Emasithandane article. If it were written in perl or php I'd suspect that a single quoted string was used where a double quoted string was intended (or something like that). 24.44.14.186 (talk) 01:16, 18 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Old bug. Fixed a long time ago. Probably a few leftovers remained. Thanks for reporting. -- Magioladitis (talk) 07:17, 18 June 2010 (UTC)
 * I just spotted another one here. <font face="Segoe Print"><font color=#0040B0;>The Thing // <font color=#007080;>Talk  // <font color=#00A050;>Contribs  13:16, 18 June 2010 (UTC)
 * I've found a bunch in the bot's contributions that I've fixed so far. I'm going to sift through the bot's contribs to find all of them if that's fine with you. <font face="Segoe Print"><font color=#0040B0;>The Thing // <font color=#007080;>Talk  // <font color=#00A050;>Contribs  13:42, 18 June 2010 (UTC)
 * I was able to enter the text \r\n\r\n into the search textbox and find many articles with the lingering problem. The task of correcting these articles is quite large for a human and might more easily be accomplished by a program. 24.44.14.186 (talk) 02:02, 19 June 2010 (UTC)
 * I'll try to help but after Monday. Right now I am busy at real life. The good thing is that the bug is limited to this single day. Sorry for the mistake and thanks for reporting. -- Magioladitis (talk) 09:50, 19 June 2010 (UTC)

I can probably pick these up easily enough. If there's not too many I can AWB them away. Rich Farmbrough, 10:04, 19 June 2010 (UTC).
 * The buggy version was 5021_6400. Check User:Yobot. Upper limit is 2,000 pages. As far as I remember I have fixed many of them in the past. - Magioladitis (talk) 10:20, 19 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Avoid false positive Q (programming language). Rich Farmbrough, 10:36, 19 June 2010 (UTC).
 * Thank you Rich Farmbrough and Magioladitis. I think I saw articles that Yobot had modified from 10 April 2010 and 11 April 2010 (UTC).  Another potential false positive article would be Hölder's inequality (which does not need \r\n\r\n removed as far as I can tell).  I have by the way, come across some article with \r\n\r\n in them that were apparently modified by User:Colonies Chris who was using AWB to browse and edit.  24.44.14.186 (talk) 12:29, 19 June 2010 (UTC)
 * We are, I hope, done, per May database dump. Rich Farmbrough, 12:39, 19 June 2010 (UTC).
 * Thanks. Less than 300 articles. -- Magioladitis (talk) 12:45, 19 June 2010 (UTC)

Quinton Hoover
Hello,

I am letting you know that Quinton Hoover has been nominated for deletion again, as part of a series of AFDs based on the deletion nomination of List of Magic: The Gathering artists, as you participated in the previous AFD for Quinton Hoover. 24.148.0.83 (talk) 07:07, 20 June 2010 (UTC)

Talkback
A week late, but I seem to have stumbled upon a solution... =) 「 ダイノ ガイ 千？！ 」? · Talk⇒Dinoguy1000 00:27, 21 June 2010 (UTC)  「 ダイノ ガイ  千？！ 」? · Talk⇒Dinoguy1000 00:27, 21 June 2010 (UTC)

using AWB to break templates
Hey, in this edit you turned a working template into a broken one. Don't forget to preview! 018 (talk) 13:46, 21 June 2010 (UTC)
 * I fixed it in my very next edit. Thanks, Magioladitis (talk) 13:50, 21 June 2010 (UTC)

Re my talkpage
Please don't modify my talkpage without my permission. You don't have and can stay off it. moreno oso (talk) 14:08, 21 June 2010 (UTC)

Likewise mine. I seriously doubt Yobot's authorization included user talk pages. JimCubb (talk) 17:55, 6 July 2010 (UTC)
 * It was a mistake. I apologise. --Magioladitis (talk) 07:04, 7 July 2010 (UTC)

AWB edit on talk page
I just noticed this edit you do did on a talk page and it looks like it broke the template. It appears to me that the template was already broken but I wanted to let you know in case you can prgram logic to catch this sort of thing as well. --Kumioko (talk) 12:51, 22 June 2010 (UTC)
 * I fixed it there. It's not a big scale issue. I just did some test edits to check AWB's regex logic. -- Magioladitis (talk) 13:05, 22 June 2010 (UTC)

Similarly, I just undid a Yobot edit to Talk: Suw Charman-Anderson after it created a nonsense redlink at the top of the talk page. betsythedevine (talk) 12:24, 25 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Sorry its pick on Yobot day but I noticed a couple of things the other day that I forgot to mention so here are those 2 things as well. Yobot seems to be placing the collapsed parameter on talk page banners and I was under the impression that this parameter is deprecated and the logic built into the banners so that they would collapse by default. Also, in some edits it is placing the collapsed parameter on banners with an incorrect collapse parameter and I think that if it continues to place this parameter then it should replace collapse rather than add to the banner.  Here is a recent example. . Also, I noticed in this edit  it added the collapsed=yes parameter when the collapsed parameter was already there stating no and I think it should not do that either. --Kumioko (talk) 14:11, 25 June 2010 (UTC)


 * Collapsed is not deprecated. Nested is. Check instructions. WPB is equal to WPBS|collapsed=yes.
 * Blp talkheader? Never heard of that. It was created in March 22. I 'll update the regex. -- Magioladitis (talk) 14:23, 26 June 2010 (UTC)

WikiCup 2010 June newsletter
We're half way through 2010, and the end of the WikiCup is in sight! Round 3 is over, and we're down to our final 16. Our pool winners were (A),  (B, and the round's overall leader),  (C)  and  (D, joint), but, with the scores reset, everything is to play for in our last pooled round. The pools will be up before midnight tonight, and have been selected randomly by J Milburn. This will be the toughest round yet, and so, as ever, anything you worry may not receive the necessary attention before the end of the round (such as outstanding GA or FA nominations) is welcome at WikiCup/Reviews, and please remember to continue offering reviews yourself where possible. As always, the judges are available to contact via email, IRC or their talk pages, and general discussion about the Cup is welcome on the WikiCup talk page.

Though unaffiliated with the WikiCup, July sees the third Great Wikipedia Dramaout- a project with not dissimilar goals to the WikiCup. Everyone is welcome to take part and do their bit to contribute to the encyclopedia itself.

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Reverting AWB
I think we may have to agree to disagree about reverting AWB edits. It seems unbalanced to me to say that if an editor uses e.g. an inappropriate custom search-and-replace on AWB along with general fixes, the administrators who respond have to manually edit all the pages to remove the bad substitution while leaving the general fixes. That's very asymmetric, because the AWB editor only had to click "OK" while the admins have to do the fixing by hand. Of course I could just write a script to undo the substitutions, but most administrators are limited to the tools in the HTML interface. On the other hand, it would be easy enough to re-run AWB general fixes on the articles – much easier than manually undoing substitutions.

Really this is just a deeper reason why editors should avoid doing anything at all controversial with AWB, because cleanup of large-scale runs is always going to be difficult. Maybe there should be a list of things not to do with AWB, like the list of perennially-denied bot requests. &mdash; Carl (CBM · talk) 13:08, 1 July 2010 (UTC)


 * Maybe you are right on reverting in this case. I 'll read the discussion in more detail. I thought it was the same case as th last time. -- Magioladitis (talk) 13:12, 1 July 2010 (UTC)


 * I don't know in this case if the editor did the changes with an automated search and replace, or by manually editing the page in AWB (common sense would say you should do it automatically if you're going to do it at all, but maybe he is not a programmer).


 * I did, however, scan through all the edits and only selected the ones that were problematic, which is different than other times in the past. I left almost all of this user's AWB edits because I had no objection to them. &mdash; Carl (CBM · talk) 13:18, 1 July 2010 (UTC)

Yobot WikiProjectBannerShell numbered parameter
Re - why was it set as

and not

The odd "1=" at the start of the line might get removed by the less-knowledgeable, considering it "vandalism". Having it at the end of the previous line, I think would be less likely to be seen as a spurious pair of characters which a vandal might insert. -- Red rose64 (talk) 15:44, 2 July 2010 (UTC)
 * I agree, placing it on the line before is a lot more standard (from what I see), and also makes it easier for bots to find the project banners if they are on their own line. - <font color="#21421E" face="Harrington">EdoDodo talk 15:53, 2 July 2010 (UTC)
 * This seems like a triviality to me, but : when adding "1=" parameter, insert before any whitespace at start of parameter value. Rjwilmsi  11:13, 3 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Yep. To a computer programmer, like me, whitespace includes soft line breaks. Therefore, since the first banner is preceded by a soft line break, the  should go immediately after the pipe "|" which occurs at the end of the previous line. -- Red rose64 (talk) 13:37, 3 July 2010 (UTC)

Banners
Why are you doing this? The alternate shell was specifically designed for talk pages that do not want all that crap showing, and it survived many merge discussions. Sandy Georgia (Talk) 12:47, 8 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Hm... AWB's newest genral fix needs some polishing. Thanks for reporting. -- Magioladitis (talk) 13:04, 8 July 2010 (UTC)

Yobot, thanks, and a minor bug note
Thanks a ton for your replies and fixes, didn't realize you also worked on the AWB project. For reference, I'm a pretty old editor and used to be an admin (resigned because I was going on a long wikibreak, indeed it lasted about 3 years ;p). Used to have poorly programmed AWB bots running wild ruining articles back then.... but enough with the nostalgia :).

Anyway, since you mentioned it :) - one more little bug with AWB in articles, it seems to be sorting inline reference alphabetically (or something), but it unfortunately does this at the end of a paragraph. The problem with this is that one generally accepted way to keep inline referencing down, instead of simply using the same reference every sentence, is to have it at the end of a paragraph after all the other sources. As you can probably guess by now, if there is an inline reference for just the last sentence and also a general one for the paragraph it can sort the inline references to where it looks like the reference for the last sentence is a general one for the whole paragraph and the source for the last sentence looking like it's the general paragraph source.  If it isn't too memory intensive (or whatever), Instead of simply disabling inline sorting at the end of a paragraph, I think you could simply keep track to see if the cite was used in the paragraph if you see some at the end, and simply not sort those particular cites (or rather, sort them while still keeping them at the end).

RN 14:53, 10 July 2010 (UTC)


 * Thanks for contacting me! Feedback from people like you it's very important. Can you please give me an example, a diff, of what AWB does and what it should be doing? -- Magioladitis (talk) 15:41, 10 July 2010 (UTC)


 * Excuse me if I shouldn't be butting in, but are you referring to reordering references? --Auntof6 (talk) 15:49, 10 July 2010 (UTC)

Yes, that's correct. here's one example (line 72 change is one). Basically, it should have just left the "10-K" reference where it was. It generally only applies to end-of-paragraph inline cites like I mentioned, and is a somewhat rare wikipedia convention used for certain articles highly dependant on inlines. It does break the harvard convention a bit. RN 18:59, 10 July 2010 (UTC)

I am a bit confused. What is the reason behind that? Why is this generally accepted? -- Magioladitis (talk) 16:50, 11 July 2010 (UTC)

It's the way a fair amount of articles do it. That said after futher thought/research you can forget about that, as harvard style probably should be the norm anyway, regardless of how much it might annoy reviewers in FA(R)C and such. Sorry for wasting your time on this one. RN 14:17, 13 July 2010 (UTC)

Film banner cleanup
Hey Magioladitis, since Yobot is cleaning up talk pages, do you think you could get Yobot to cleanup deprecated parameters in the Film (WikiProject Films' banner) at the same time? There's a list of deprecated parameters here. This is of low priority, so maybe you could get Yobot to do it only if it has something else more important to do at the same time, or whatever you think is best. Thanks.- Kollision (talk) 15:37, 10 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Yes. My pleasure. I 'll give it a shot. :) -- Magioladitis (talk) 15:39, 10 July 2010 (UTC)
 * first part. Only left those with importance parameter. -- Magioladitis (talk) 08:54, 12 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Yobot is apparently removing the importance parameter from other Project banners as well. Is this a fluke on this one article or is it happening elsewhere too? (Guyinblack25 talk 17:01, 12 July 2010 (UTC))
 * I 'll check it in some hours. The job finished anyway. This shouldn't be happening since I am using AWB with Advanced F&R and replacing only inside templates that contain Film. -- Magioladitis (talk) 17:07, 12 July 2010 (UTC)
 * It's probably a small mistake which I fixed while editing. I was updating the setting file on the fly. I have to leave house right now. I 'll check more thoroughly later. -- Magioladitis (talk) 17:10, 12 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Appreciate it. (Guyinblack25 talk 17:42, 12 July 2010 (UTC))
 * 16:44: The other template is not affected. One edit before Lara Croft: No problems again. Two minutes after a page with importance high is not affected . So, it was a temporary problem and fixed on the fly. Thanks for reporting. If you find any other similar errors please report me immediately. -- Magioladitis (talk) 21:10, 12 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Thanks for looking into it. (Guyinblack25 talk 14:08, 13 July 2010 (UTC))

Purpose?
What is the benefit of the following edits: 1, 2, 3, etc.? <b style="color:#000080;">APK</b> whisper in my ear  07:20, 11 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Check discussions above. I am making tests and improvements to AWB's code. I 'll probably finishing soon, more likely today. Notice that the revision of AWB changes every time its code it's updated. (The number next to AWB). -- Magioladitis (talk) 07:22, 11 July 2010 (UTC)

Moving WikiProject banners
Please, when you move a banner template (e.g. Template:WikiProject Numismatics), can you update the BANNER_NAME parameter? In fact if you are moving the template to Template:WikiProject <PROJECT> then you can just remove the BANNER_NAME entirely. Thanks &mdash; Martin (MSGJ · talk) 09:58, 12 July 2010 (UTC)
 * In all other cases I updated the entry in BANNER_NAME. I checked my move log. It's probably the only case I forgot to do it. Thanks, Magioladitis (talk) 10:01, 12 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Actually no, I have tidied up after you several times now ;) Anyway, thanks &mdash; Martin (MSGJ · talk) 10:13, 12 July 2010 (UTC)
 * ,, , . That's what I fixed yesterday. Am I doing something wrong? -- Magioladitis (talk) 10:22, 12 July 2010 (UTC)


 * Re, I must've been looking at the wrong one. That being said, redirects are cheap, is there a particular reason you're deleting them? – xeno <sup style="color:black;">talk 16:04, 12 July 2010 (UTC)
 * They are in template TALK space. I am not deleting the template itself. Better keep talk pages of redirects in order to help editors to edit them if they want to discuss on the redirect. I think this was common practice. We don't keep talk pages that redirect to other talk pages. -- Magioladitis (talk) 16:06, 12 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Erm, I think that's a mistaken assumption. But I could be wrong. – xeno <sup style="color:black;">talk 16:08, 12 July 2010 (UTC)
 * There is a discussion somewhere in XfD like 1 or 2 years ago for sure :P -- Magioladitis (talk) 16:10, 12 July 2010 (UTC)
 * I guess it's no big deal (though seems like unnecessary busywork) - just be sure to check the incoming links (or bypass them) before deleting. – xeno <sup style="color:black;">talk 16:12, 12 July 2010 (UTC)

Redirect containing only banners
Hello. Apparently you are deleting redirects talk pages with banners (only). I am not sure this is appropriate. The banners tell the related WikiProject that the redirect is part of that project. The redirect may be viewed, in a sense, as part of the target page. In any I case I believe that redirect talk pages are supposed to have related WikiProject banners. What is your view on this matter? Steve Quinn (talk) 03:36, 15 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Most (or all) of the WikiProjects don't tag redirects. I am involved in WPBiography and WikiProject Greece and they both don't tag redirects. The banners are used in order to improve the article. They are not many ways to improve a redirect. Moreover, there are millions of redirects for many reasons like variations of a name, different spellings, etc. Redirects that worth usually are those that were created by merging. You can ask the WikiProjects directly on that and inform me if I am wrong but I 've been to some discussions on the matter and nobody strognly supported the idea of redirect. -- Magioladitis (talk) 06:58, 15 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Thanks for your response. I didn't realize there would not be support for redirect. That is very interesting. I guess I can query the Wikiprojects that have redirects in areas where I edit articles, and see what their opinion is on this matter. Even if their opinion differs from yours, it doesn't mean that you are incorrect. I can just see if particular Wikiprojects want tags on redirects and inform you of any that strongly support this, for whatever reason. In addition, you are correct that banners are used to improve the article in the first place, and banners on redirects don't make sense from that viewpoint. I never thought of this before. Steve Quinn (talk) 23:44, 15 July 2010 (UTC)


 * I don't think you should be doing do this on a wide scale. If someone tagged it, then clearly the project wants to keep an eye on it. Some redirects may become articles one day, etc. etc. And many projects do use class=redirect. – xeno <sup style="color:black;">talk 23:46, 15 July 2010 (UTC)
 * I didn't do anything in large scale. I deleted 3 redirects on the same page. You can check if it was ok or not. -- Magioladitis (talk) 23:50, 15 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Yea, I amended my comment because some of them might've been ok deletions (like maybe it was an article before but no longer, or somesuch). – xeno <sup style="color:black;">talk 23:53, 15 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Many of the categories on the list you gave are empty. Is it maybe because the categories were automatically created and the project doesn't really care on redirects? -- Magioladitis (talk) 23:56, 15 July 2010 (UTC)
 * I dunno, my only point was that some projects do tag redirects, so you should probably not delete redirects that are banner-tagged unless you're part of the project and you know they shouldn't be. – xeno <sup style="color:black;">talk 23:58, 15 July 2010 (UTC)
 * True. I do know that WikiProject Video games is/was tagging redirects. I think we agree. -- Magioladitis (talk) 00:00, 16 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Cool. I guess I was worried you had been doing this more than a couple one-offs. Cheers, – xeno <sup style="color:black;">talk 00:02, 16 July 2010 (UTC)

Kingboyk plugin error
I noticed you closed the one duplicate task force issue for AWB. I wanted to let you know that I just tried the plugin again with the latest SVN of AWB (SVN 6839) and I am still getting the InvalidOperationException in TraceManager.ProcessingArticle error when I try and run the plugin so I still cannot get back in to duplicate the issue. Once I can use the plugin I will try and see if I am still having the problem and let you know. --Kumioko (talk) 17:06, 15 July 2010 (UTC)
 * We 'll try to fix everything soon. Regex bugs won't be a big issue. We are focusing in these exceptions now. I'll try to do my best to fix these issues. -- Magioladitis (talk) 18:30, 15 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Thanks and its no problem I saw you all have done a lot of work lately (given that even SVN version have 40 - 50+ changes in them lately. I just wanted to let you know why I hadn't followed up on the problem. --Kumioko (talk) 18:39, 15 July 2010 (UTC)

Yobot removing talkheader parameters
This is very undesirable. The ability to easily search specific archives is essential, and this parameter would be a mandatory addition if I had my way.

I do realize that was an old edit.. has this been corrected already?

I had to restore the search parameter manually.. Any chance you could program the bot to add the  parameter to talkheader and/or archivebox templates of talk pages with large archives? or at least undo Yobot's prior removals?

Thanks, &oelig; &trade; 22:58, 17 July 2010 (UTC)

This is a very old edit. As far as I remember there were done only a few edits and I noticed the bug myself and it's already fixed. According to the edit log, Yobot wasn't touching any talk header before January 9, 2010. In January 13 the bug was already fixed according to. I think there should be less than 10 articles that may have a problem. There are other bots that bot archiving, so I don't know how to help further. -- Magioladitis (talk) 21:16, 18 July 2010 (UTC)

AWB Alerts for talk pages
I was wondering if you could tell me what alerts are currently active for talk page edits. I have been doing a lot of work on the talk pages for the medal of Honor recipients articles and have noticed very few alerts. Before I ask for some to be added I thought I would ask what we had first. Thanks. --Kumioko (talk) 14:14, 19 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Check AWB/MAN. I 'll have a look to see which are only for mainspace. -- Magioladitis (talk) 14:18, 19 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Thanks. --Kumioko (talk) 14:49, 19 July 2010 (UTC)
 * I looked at the alerts and there are only a couple that could apply to talk pages. Since I know that you are adding a lot of logic for talk pages and you already have a list of things somewhere here are some potential additions. Rather than add it to the AWB Feature request page (unless you want me too) I will leave my suggestion list here and you can pick through and do the ones you think have merit or havent already been identified as future changes. Some alerts may be doable as logic and some of the logic suggestions may be more appropruate for alerts but Ill leave that in your capable hands to decide. Please let me know if you have any questions.

Possible alerts for Talk pages
 * General
 * No "Wikiproject banners found" - If the article does not contain a wikiproject banner
 * "Unbalanced brackets found" – types checked { } < > [ ]  Done already
 * Multiple duplicate banners (I.e. contains 2 banners for the same wikiproject, such as WP Biography)
 * Needs assessment
 * Needs priority placement
 * Contains Disambiguous links
 * Missing/Incomplete B-Class assessment (for start or B class class articles with an empty or missing bclass assessment)


 * WP Biography specific related
 * Biographical article without WP Biography banner It's impossible to determine that a talk page belongs to a bio article without checking the page itself. This is very slow.
 * Perhaps this could be done as a partial then? Maybe if it contains certain categories without the WP Biography banner? For example starting with Category:Military biography or Biography (military)? Or maybe if the Biography parameter for certain Wikiprojects (like aviation or MILHIST) is set to Y, y, Yes or yes? --Kumioko (talk) 15:15, 23 July 2010 (UTC)
 * I could then use my bot to add the WPBiography to all these talk ages missing it in regular basis. -- Magioladitis (talk) 21:00, 23 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Biography articles needing priority parameter replacement
 * Priority parameter without workgroup
 * Workgroup without priority parameter
 * Living without BLP parameter (logic to compare BLP in banner shell with Living in the Wikiproject templates) This is fixed by genfixes.

--Kumioko (talk) 15:33, 19 July 2010 (UTC)
 * General suggestions for talk page logic improvements
 * Delete certain empty parameter fields such as (small, A-Class review, peer review, old peer review, attention=)
 * Delete certain parameter fields if equal to no (needs photo, needs persondata, needs infobox, auto, collapsed)
 * expand {{ BIO to {{ WPBiography
 * Expand {{ WPVN to {{ WikiProject Vietnam
 * Expand {{ WP Aviation to {{ WikiProject Aviation
 * Expand {{ WPAFC to {{ WikiProject Articles for creation
 * Expand {{ WPJ to {{ WikiProject Japan
 * Change Class = C to Class = Start for WPMILHIST banner
 * Delete B class checklist for Stub articles

The "General suggestions for talk page logic improvements" should be more a WP:BOTREQ. -- Magioladitis (talk) 15:50, 19 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Can I also suggest
 * {{tlx|WPBiography}} where {{para|living}} is absent
 * We have a tracking category for that. --Magioladitis (talk) 09:12, 20 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Talk page with either {{tlx|WikiProjectBannerShell}} or {{tlx|WikiProjectBanners}} and with one or more WikiProject banners outside those
 * -- Red rose64 (talk) 19:26, 19 July 2010 (UTC)


 * Be careful expanding {{WPJ to {{WikiProject Japan, otherwise you'll end up with {{WikiProject Japanournalists}} . – xeno <sup style="color:black;">talk 19:58, 19 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Thanks I hadnt run into that yet but Ill watch for it. --Kumioko (talk) 20:07, 19 July 2010 (UTC)
 * In regards to alerts again. Does AWB look at a certain page to determine what an invalid citation parameter or Unknown WP banner parameter is? I was just wondering if the Help manual could point to it or something so that everyone is clear cause I for one dont know were to find all the possible parameters fort the citations or WP banners so Im wondering how AWB knows what they are. --Kumioko (talk) 20:11, 19 July 2010 (UTC)
 * The best way to do that would be with regex. <tt> Find: \{\{WPJ(\||\}) Replace: {{WikiProject Japan$1 </tt> – xeno <sup style="color:black;">talk  20:15, 19 July 2010 (UTC)

Bypassing the redirects is much faster with F&R than using the Plugin++ Still this job is not appropriate for general fixes. Most people consider these changes trivial and shouldn't done alone. Most of the talk pages don't have many issues. In the case we want these changes we certinly have to take this job from the Pluggin++ (recent profiling shows 240-400 ms comparing to 2-6 ms for normal F&S!) -- Magioladitis (talk) 13:35, 21 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Bypassing redirects shouldn't be done alone. General fixes shouldn't be done alone. So why can't bypassing redirects be put into general fixes? – xeno <sup style="color:black;">talk 13:39, 21 July 2010 (UTC)
 * OK. Let's see some methods and then we discuss if it is possible to implement:


 * Plugin++ loads redirects if the template is it asked to fix and then bypasses the redirects. First part is fairly fast. Second part is slow, probably because of bad-written code. We are working on rewriting the second part.
 * My method till now: Normal F&R for about 20-30 templates. It's very fast but we have 900+ WikiProject templates, many of them with very few transclusions. If we want to implement it for all it will be slow.
 * Another idea: Find templates in page and bypass them. I am not sure but I suspect it will be slow but faster than the previous method.

Before adding WikiProjectBannerShell in talk page GFs,we had only fixing headers, moving talk header, etc. GFS were really fast (less than 0.5 s). WPBS function added 1.5 with 2 seconds to the whole procedure! (Of course, in the case that WPBS is present in the talk page). Bypassing redirects it may got us completely off-the-track.

Why an idea of a bot would be that bad? -- Magioladitis (talk) 13:51, 21 July 2010 (UTC)


 * Yes, I have noticed a bit of a slow-down in processing. In terms of bypassing redirects: couldn't it be done with kindof like the AWB/TYPO page where we add well-used redirects and remove them as they disappear? P.S. I've got a bunch of redirect-bypasses too, want to compare notes? – xeno <sup style="color:black;">talk 14:15, 21 July 2010 (UTC)
 * If you did them with AWB's latest snapshot, you should have a file called "profiling.txt". We need the numbers next to Plugins, F&R, Talk Genfixes and Universal Genfixes. I 'll post my settings file too. -- Magioladitis (talk) 14:22, 21 July 2010 (UTC)
 * On that note, AWB always has an issue accessing profiling.txt if I don't run it "As administrator". Can that be addressed? ( Vista only; AWB lives in /$USER/AWB ) My profiling.txt on this PC is 1.4mb, should I email it somewhere? – xeno <sup style="color:black;">talk 14:24, 21 July 2010 (UTC)
 * I haven't noticed any problem and I am on Vista too (since two months ago!). I had only problems when tried to run 2 AWB sessions. I 'll ask Reedy. PS You are the person I had the most edit conflicts ever :) -- Magioladitis (talk)
 * Yes, sorry, I'm an unrepetend tweaker. =) Where does your AWB live? Maybe it's because I've got mine in a user dir, or maybe it's because I sometimes run multiple instances. – xeno <sup style="color:black;">talk 14:31, 21 July 2010 (UTC)
 * You should have decent rights in your user dir. IF it is from running 2 versions, due to the debug build being used now, I need to look at that. Does the profiling.txt appear in the same location as AWB? —<font face="Trebuchet MS"> Ree dy  15:27, 21 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Will have to tell you when I get to my Vista PC. I have a vague recollection that it's reported as being in some system dir, but I could be misremembering. – xeno <sup style="color:black;">talk 15:41, 21 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Never mind, I think it's because I had more than one instance running. – xeno <sup style="color:black;">talk 14:02, 22 July 2010 (UTC)
 * User:Rich Farmbrough/temp61 Some redirect bypasses for WPBanners - all of them those in standard form, as they were a few hours ago. Rich Farmbrough, 21:45, 22 July 2010 (UTC).
 * Whoa, nice one. Does that include all of the ones in mine? ( which aren't as robust!) – xeno <sup style="color:black;">talk 21:50, 22 July 2010 (UTC)

WPBS again :\
and MANY others on your main non-bot account. I realize you may trying to test something, but you seem to be really upsetting users. Again, I'm aware of the rationale, but you're still using the same misleading edit summaries at the very least and aren't giving any justification in the summary about not using collapsed=yes. (You may risk blocking on your main account and/or loss of bot privs if keep doing this :(, not by me ATM, just a note). RN 19:46, 19 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Surely there must be a way to test AWB without making all these edits contrary to guidelines. – xeno <sup style="color:black;">talk 19:56, 19 July 2010 (UTC)

It's just frustrating. He's making the same mass edits his bot did that got it blocked and complained about a massive amount of times. PLEASE at least change your edit summary so users know what you are doing (more then "testing AWB" too!). RN 20:17, 19 July 2010 (UTC)

OK No more edits on that. Today we fixed one more issue and this was the last.I am not on my PC atm. --Magioladitis (talk) 22:33, 19 July 2010 (UTC)


 * Cool, thank you. In the future please use better edit summaries though, you'll likely avoid a lot of the discontent. Thanks for your work on AWB again, a tool I've used for years :). RN 07:35, 20 July 2010 (UTC)

Check this edit for example. I fixed the misplaced 1. Then I asked Rjw to update AWB's code to handle these cases. Check. I use a mixture of automatic and manual edit to check various cases and test performance. Our function at the moment is slow comparing to the rest talkpage general fixes. thanks for the advice and the continuous feedback. -- Magioladitis (talk) 08:14, 20 July 2010 (UTC)

With my current statistics it takes 1-1.5 seconds to perform Talk Genfixes if WikiProjectBannerShell function is called. Notes to myself: Maybe we need more detailed profiling. -- Magioladitis (talk) 11:44, 20 July 2010 (UTC)

FYI: I am doing some extra tests to check performance of possible replacements during talk page genfixes. -- Magioladitis (talk) 09:34, 21 July 2010 (UTC)
 * How do you get to this figure of 1.5 seconds for talk page general fixes? I ran for pages transcluding Template:WPBS for articles starting with B and C. I gave up after about 80 pages because the profiling time was always in the 110–150 ms range. Rjwilmsi  10:21, 24 July 2010 (UTC)
 * My mistake. Your time is the accurate one. -- Magioladitis (talk) 10:24, 24 July 2010 (UTC)

WikiProject Cryptozoology
Hi! The above project needs an editor who is skilled at designing portals and we were curious if you are up to completing Portal:Cryptozoology.-- Gniniv (talk) 06:34, 20 July 2010 (UTC)

Nomalization of project banners
Is this to be a gen-fix? Rich Farmbrough, 16:31, 21 July 2010 (UTC).
 * Some people asked for it. I am not sure yet. I don't want AWB to become very slow. We have to start a discussion on that. -- Magioladitis (talk) 17:02, 21 July 2010 (UTC)
 * I don't mean to interrupt but what do you mean by Nomalization? --Kumioko (talk) 17:07, 21 July 2010 (UTC)
 * To have them all (minus some exceptions) into WikiProject xxx form. -- Magioladitis (talk) 17:10, 21 July 2010 (UTC)
 * It should not be slow, it will only apply to talk: pages, a cunningly crafted regex can ignore pages who's projects are all of the normal form, before doing the complicated bit: only applying any "WikiProject foo" => "WikiProject bar" changes to those pages.  Rich Farmbrough, 17:37, 21 July 2010 (UTC).
 * Oh I agree with that too then I just wasnt sure what he was trying to say. thanks--Kumioko (talk) 17:46, 21 July 2010 (UTC)


 * If anyone is interested I have continued the discussion over at User talk:Yobot. Steve Quinn (talk) 21:54, 21 July 2010 (UTC)

Re: Knight's Cross of the Iron Cross in talk pages
No, neither have I seen any discussion about this, nor do I know for how long is this done. The truth is - as my contributions here are rather sporadical - I have "copied" that trend from User:MisterBee1966, as use it, and I guess this tricked me. Still, if it causes problems (ie in bot functioning) then I can't say there is a reason to keep it. Regards, --Jake V (talk) 18:34, 21 July 2010 (UTC)

Merge discussion for Manfred_Mann
An article that you have been involved in editing, Manfred_Mann, has been proposed for a merge with another article. If you are interested in the merge discussion, please participate by going here, and adding your comments on the discussion page. Thank you. KoshVorlon Naluboutes,Aeria Gloris 17:03, 22 July 2010 (UTC)

Empty sections in ATC code lists
Yobot added a number of Empty section templates to ATC code lists (e. g. here). The empty sections are intentional, since these subgroups actually are empty. At first I wanted to add, but I'm not sure whether the template additions come from Yobot or AWB, so other bots or humans using AWB would probably re-add these templates anyway. What would you suggest? Thanks, ἀνυπόδητος (talk) 08:33, 24 July 2010 (UTC)
 * This is done automatically by AWB's auto-tagger. I don't quite understand why we have empty sections. Give me some time to check it and I 'll come up with a suggestion. -- Magioladitis (talk) 08:40, 24 July 2010 (UTC)
 * I think the best is if you add: "None" or something similar in the section. To show that someone has maintained it. -- Magioladitis (talk) 08:49, 24 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Yes, that's a good plan. --ἀνυπόδητος (talk) 09:38, 24 July 2010 (UTC)
 * I could help if this could be done (semi)automated. -- Magioladitis (talk) 09:39, 24 July 2010 (UTC)
 * That would be great! I can't get AWB to run under Win7, for whatever reason. The lists are in Category:ATC codes (excluding its subcats). If you could replace occurrences of


 * by


 * that would be really helpful. But don't take the trouble if it takes longer than half an hour. --ἀνυπόδητος (talk) 10:08, 24 July 2010 (UTC)
 * I 'll do that as soon as I finish the current task. -- Magioladitis (talk) 22:14, 25 July 2010 (UTC)

Empty references sections
Is there any way to insert either or  displayed as "Planet of Giants", but now it displays as "  " (see  2,3,4), so clearly the   isn't being acted upon. -- Red rose64 (talk) 13:50, 26 July 2010 (UTC)
 * I guess we could replace  with PAGENAME without substing. I recall this edit since I reviewed it but I thought it has worked. Thanks for reporting. -- Magioladitis (talk) 13:55, 26 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Per Rjw "that happens only because subst doesn't expand within due to a MW bug. There is a thing called safesubst, don't know if that's different. Fixing just PAGENAME doesn't really help as all the other templates we subst will still be affected by the MW bug." -- Magioladitis (talk) 14:00, 26 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Still going on: . I tried using safesubst on a different instance of this, it doesn't work as intended -  displays identically to , but the substitution isn't actually performed because (as previous) it's inside   tags - the wikicode   remains unchanged. -- Red rose64 (talk) 17:32, 13 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Yes, it's not an AWB bug. It's API. SmackBot will use soon a different way to tag templates and the problem will be reduced. -- Magioladitis (talk) 17:55, 13 October 2010 (UTC)

Adding missing 1= parameter
AWB no longer crashes when 1 is missing from WikiProjectBannerShell, so why are insignificant edits being made to add it? [I do note that for some reason the Plugin isn't putting it within the Shell when 1= is missing] – xeno <sup style="color:black;">talk 15:09, 26 July 2010 (UTC)
 * It doesn't put them only in the WikiProjectBannerShell case. It still puts them in on the WikiProjectBanners one. :S I just emptied the list anyway. I noticed that an editor wrote to you that they see difference in appearance if the 1 is missing too, or am I wrong? -- Magioladitis (talk) 15:11, 26 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Is it being fixed? (In the latter case, if it's the thread I'm thinking of - I think they weren't putting the equals sign) – xeno <sup style="color:black;">talk 15:13, 26 July 2010 (UTC)
 * I am waiting for Reedy to finish the job. I, myself, don't know how to enter regex in plugin's source code (at least not yet). -- Magioladitis (talk) 15:15, 26 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Thanks. – xeno <sup style="color:black;">talk 15:17, 26 July 2010 (UTC)

Persondata comment
I noticed that a number of your bot edits of the rugby union stubs I have recently added, have been moving the comment tag:   above the Persondata section. |example here] I have simply used the format posted at Persondata. While I think that it is not a big deal, is there a reason you do this?SauliH (talk) 16:59, 26 July 2010 (UTC)
 * The comment is unnecessary. It's only to give instructions where to put the template and there is no reason to add the comment too. -- Magioladitis (talk) 17:02, 26 July 2010 (UTC)
 * I can remove them from further stubs I have to create. Thanks.SauliH (talk) 17:05, 26 July 2010 (UTC)
 * No problem. Happy editing. -- Magioladitis (talk) 17:06, 26 July 2010 (UTC)

Need so some help
I see that you were the only person that asked to keep the Alexis Fields article in Articles for deletion/Alexis Fields. Once again, Otto4711 is asking for deletion even though the article does meet the first rule in WP:ENT. Can you help me contest this please? QuasyBoy (talk) 18:58, 26 July 2010 (UTC)
 * I am sorry. You have to find some references to establish notability. If you can't find some immediately, take your time and re-create the article in your userspace in a subpage then add some references and re-introduce the article. You can also contact Article Rescue Squadron. I hope I helped. -- Magioladitis (talk) 19:12, 26 July 2010 (UTC)
 * I did just that, I created it in my userspace before I re-created the page once more and references are in the article. QuasyBoy (talk) 19:31, 26 July 2010 (UTC)

Clean up
What was cleaned up in this edit? &mdash; Carl (CBM · talk) 23:40, 26 July 2010 (UTC)
 * I did less than 10 edits to fix spacing in references in some articles the same way FrescoBot did . I want to propose to its owner to do some extra stuff while running. -- Magioladitis (talk) 04:41, 27 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Space immediately after the &lt;ref> tag is gobbled automatically, though. Look at the HTML source of that page before you edited it:
 * That's different than the FrescoBot edit where the space actually makes a difference in the output. &mdash; Carl (CBM · talk) 05:39, 27 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the heads up. (Code removed to avoid scrolling). -- Magioladitis (talk) 05:45, 27 July 2010 (UTC)

Dead living people
According to the article this person is not alive. &mdash; Carl (CBM · talk) 12:12, 27 July 2010 (UTC)
 * I don't see any evidence of death instead of the "was" verb. This person obviously was born in the 20th-century so I though it's better to be on the safe side. -- Magioladitis (talk) 12:13, 27 July 2010 (UTC)
 * The reference directly in the article says that this other person died in 2001. I think the "was" in the first one clearly indicates the person is deceased, but in this case it's more concrete. &mdash; Carl (CBM · talk) 12:15, 27 July 2010 (UTC)
 * I added the birth/death categories. Thanks. -- Magioladitis (talk) 12:18, 27 July 2010 (UTC)
 * also this one  Ϣere Spiel  Chequers  08:15, 30 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Thanks. There was a point after 11. -- Magioladitis (talk) 08:49, 30 July 2010 (UTC)

Otheruses4
I am sure you are aware of the RFD which came out in favor of keeping the redirect and not replacing it with a bot. To quote:
 * "What about a bot? That discussion has largely staled out, but most here seem unconvinced that doing so would be worth it."

The word "deprecated" means that new uses are discouraged, but it doesn't mean that old uses need to be changed. Indeed, you had said that AWB would do only do some replacement as part of general editing,

But, when I look at the backlinks, I see that the template is almost completely orphaned, which could not have happened by luck. And your contribution history shows runs of numerous removals in a row, which suggests you took part in that inappropriate orphaning. I was very disappointed to see that.

In any case, I've made a list of the mathematics articles that carried the template, and I'll slowly work on restoring it. You can file it under WP:BRD. &mdash; Carl (CBM · talk) 12:30, 27 July 2010 (UTC)

As I recall I ran some months ago, Yobot to move DABlinks on the top. This automatically fixed Otheruses4 to About. In the same way all AWB bots, including SmackBot fix Otheruses4 to About. -- Magioladitis (talk) 12:36, 27 July 2010 (UTC)


 * I replied on my talk page, we can combine the threads there. &mdash; Carl (CBM · talk) 12:47, 27 July 2010 (UTC)

Nesbitt's inequality
This edit only changed whitespace. People have been pointing out these trivial edits repeatedly on your talk page. Are you not reviewing the edits before you make them? &mdash; Carl (CBM · talk) 11:38, 30 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Probably I pressed Save accidentally. -- Magioladitis (talk) 11:39, 30 July 2010 (UTC)
 * When you make a mistake like that, you should immediately undo your edit so that people know it was an accident. &mdash; Carl (CBM · talk) 11:40, 30 July 2010 (UTC)


 * Just to point out the frequency, here's a list of 20 19 other trivial edits from today's run:                  . I believe you when you say these were accidental, but I hope you can see that they look unprofessional even if they are accidents. &mdash; Carl (CBM · talk) 12:16, 30 July 2010 (UTC)
 * After this run, I proposed 2-3 bug fixes/feature requests to WP:AWB in order to prevent stuff like that in the future (Btw, I remove 1 that was removal of duplicate category). Thanks for reporting. -- Magioladitis (talk) 12:40, 30 July 2010 (UTC)

This one you reported for instance is a bug. It should have completely remove the unnecessary piping. I had on mind to report this too. -- Magioladitis (talk) 12:42, 30 July 2010 (UTC)


 * So report it and undo the edit. Since you're editing manually you inspect all the edits already, you can see which ones are trivial. &mdash; Carl (CBM · talk) 12:54, 30 July 2010 (UTC)
 * GPRS...No bug to report: piped link uses single l in tunnelling versus double in link target. Rjwilmsi  12:05, 31 July 2010 (UTC)

Software development is great, but it cannot disrupt the live site. These minor edits are causing disruption. There are outlets like test Wikipedia for testing changes like this. Or you can do what most programmers do and run in a "dry mode" where it previews what would have happened, but doesn't actually make an edit. It doesn't really matter which testing method you use, as long as the current practice of using the live site and annoying people stops. --MZMcBride (talk) 16:45, 30 July 2010 (UTC)


 * All manual AWB edits are previewed anyway. The easier fix is to not press "save" on them. &mdash; Carl (CBM · talk) 16:49, 30 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Magioladitis, I'm going to chime in with a general discomfort with the way you go through these edits: you need to be using your own skip checks or custom module to identify that you are going to make the CHEKCWIKI fix or fixes you are targeting. Running AWB on the article list from CHECKWIKI in the hope that AWB will fix the errors is not quite good enough. I don't think it's useful to revert inconsequential edits after, but you need to be adding in more checks to ensure that your editing is adding value to the articles. Simply saying "AWB bug" or "AWB needs to know to skip" as a general get out answer is not going to get me to help you. AWB already provides enough functionality to ensure that your edits will make the fix you intend. If you're unable to add these checks and don't want to spend enough time on manual review prior to saving then I'm not sure you're the right person to run this task. Rjwilmsi  12:16, 31 July 2010 (UTC)
 * I didn't blame AWB for the mistakes. In all cases I reviewed my edits and made corrections before or after pressing save. -- Magioladitis (talk) 10:20, 1 August 2010 (UTC)
 * If you review your "edits and make corrections before or after pressing save. . ." and still make edits that are considered un-necessary, disruptive or harmful, it is clear that you are not the right person to run this task. You do not seem to understand what you are doing and you do not realized that you do not understand.  JimCubb (talk) 00:07, 3 August 2010 (UTC)

Yobot
Your bot made a very weird edit in June. 

WPMACAU is not equivalent to WikiProject Middle Ages - exactly how many templates your bot has messed up, I've no idea, but there should be some. WikiProject Middle AgesCAU does not exist.

76.66.193.119 (talk) 08:19, 31 July 2010 (UTC)

I have no idea how many people "corrected" it to become the Middle Ages project, which some other editor would then detag since it would be the wrong project, or just detag it for being a redlink project banner, but I think there is a possibility that any of these outcomes may have come to pass. But it may result in some articles being tagged with middle ages which are not, or are now missing the tag altogether. 76.66.193.119 (talk) 08:40, 31 July 2010 (UTC)

I fixed the only 2 occasions.. --Magioladitis (talk) 16:15, 31 July 2010 (UTC)

what was the blank default sort?
I'm seeing various of these types of "fixes" and notice occasionally they seem to change nothing. In particular, in this case can you outline to me exactly what's "blank" about the "blank default sort order"? Smkolins (talk) 15:17, 2 August 2010 (UTC)
 * The (leading) blank in' defaultsort. There was a blank between double dots and the word. Check error 88 in WP:CHECKWIKI. -- Magioladitis (talk) 15:39, 2 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Not in at Johann Strauss I. I can't see any relevant material at the link you provided (WP:CHECKWIKI). -- Michael Bednarek (talk) 08:30, 3 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Did you find another one? I bet not. I was much more carefull this time. -- Magioladitis (talk) 08:44, 3 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Now I recall that I tried to change 1 to 01 in DEFAULTSORT and I pressed save but AWB stalled and reloaded the page. I probably pressed save thinking that my edit was saved. -- Magioladitis (talk) 08:55, 3 August 2010 (UTC)

In this same thing. Could it be a false positive? Smkolins (talk) 10:49, 3 August 2010 (UTC)
 * I think just the editor who put the "S" couldn't be bothered to add the rest. No reason not to have the full name. That's why I fixed it. -- Magioladitis (talk) 10:50, 3 August 2010 (UTC)

Infoboxes
Might try to get Infobox Candidate deleted in favour of Infobox candidate. Rich Farmbrough, 03:07, 3 August 2010 (UTC).

News
This may interest you.

Note your administrator status.199.126.224.156 (talk) 10:13, 4 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Replied there. Thanks, Magioladitis (talk) 10:17, 4 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Replied. And you are welcome:-)199.126.224.156 (talk) 05:08, 8 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Do you have any ideas on how we should write the policy so that template redirects are exempt? The problem with the policy is the first paragraph.  People are continually citing it, so we could insert some words that excludes template redirects.199.126.224.156 (talk) 06:52, 9 August 2010 (UTC)
 * I am on vacation atm. I am not planning to start a big discussion during August. I 'll think of your suggestion. Thanks. -- Magioladitis (talk) 06:59, 9 August 2010 (UTC)

Gunga Din
I see where you recently made an edit to the above article. are you happy with the 'other uses of the phrase' section? looks a lot like a list of trivia to me. references to use in comic books, television programs, etc.Toyokuni3 (talk) 15:18, 4 August 2010 (UTC)
 * an issue has now arisen over the inclusion of the text of the poem. it is my position that wp is not a literary anthology, and that the external link to the text is easily sufficient. seems to me that this inclusion represents a slippery slope, ultimately leading to server space issues. in theory at least, 'the iliad' is a poem. include the entire text? how about all 22 chapters of 'the song of hiawatha'? 'evangeline'? 'the raven"? all of shakespeare's sonnets? why stop at poetry? should we reprint 'war and peace'?

incidentally, in researching this, it has come to my attention that huge chunks of the 'song of hiawatha' article (which i see you have also edited) are lifted verbatim from the website absoluteastronomy.com, or some other that they too have copied.Toyokuni3 (talk) 19:13, 19 August 2010 (UTC)

Yobot
I see Yobot tagged King of Egypt and the Sudan as dead, but King Fuad II of Egypt is in fact still alive. -- Radagast 3 (talk) 08:57, 6 August 2010 (UTC)
 * King of Egypt and the Sudan is not a biography of a living people but a general informative article. BLP applies for Fuad II of Egypt. Living=no means "not BLP". -- Magioladitis (talk) 09:01, 6 August 2010 (UTC)
 * All pages with WPBiography must have set living with yes or no to indicate taht have been checked if they are about a BLP or not. -- Magioladitis (talk) 09:08, 6 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Sorry, my mistake. -- Radagast 3 (talk) 14:15, 7 August 2010 (UTC)

New Articles
Hey!

New articles are ALWAYS using otheruses4. Is there any reason this is? If the article wizard uses this, maybe there's a way to fix it:-)

cheers199.126.224.156 (talk) 05:17, 8 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Please find me in which subpage is this done and I can fix it. -- Magioladitis (talk) 08:00, 8 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Please remember the user is banned from editing. &mdash; Carl (CBM · talk) 11:54, 8 August 2010 (UTC)

Unreferenced BLPs
Hello Magioladitis! Thank you for your contributions. I am a bot notifying you on behalf of the the unreferenced biographies team that 1 of the articles that you created  is currently tagged as an Unreferenced Biography of a Living Person. The biographies of living persons policy requires that all personal or potentially controversial information be sourced. In addition, to ensure verifiability, all biographies should be based on reliable sources. If you were to bring this article up to standards, it would greatly help us with the current Category:All_unreferenced_BLPs article backlog. Once the article is adequately referenced, please remove the unreferencedBLP tag. Here is the article:

Thanks!--DASHBot (talk) 11:40, 19 August 2010 (UTC)
 * 1) Kostas Kazakos -

FR: #New_alert:_Unknown_parameters_to_Multiple_issues
The action is on you if you want it to happen: New_alert:_Unknown_parameters_to_Multiple_issues. Rjwilmsi 13:49, 24 August 2010 (UTC) Unknown parameters from March 2010 database dump

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 * Let me know if you want any amendments to your parameter list before I commit it. Rjwilmsi  22:47, 24 August 2010 (UTC)

YoBot's edit
why does YoBot adds "untitled" heading inside the archive box templates? as seen here? <font face="Comic Sans MS"> Gman 124 talk 18:41, 25 August 2010 (UTC)
 * This was back in April. It has been fixed. Thanks for reporting. -- Magioladitis (talk) 20:46, 25 August 2010 (UTC)
 * ok. <font face="Comic Sans MS"> Gman 124 talk 13:28, 26 August 2010 (UTC)

YoBot: Adding closing brackets
Adding a missing closing bracket to external links makes in my opinion the display much worse. With the bracket missing, the link text appeared in plain view « &#91;http://example.com » ; adding the closing bracket makes it appear as « » which seems less informative to me; see  and. As for Fact -> Citation needed: what happened to WP:NOTBROKEN? -- Michael Bednarek (talk) 04:17, 1 September 2010 (UTC)
 * This is a general problem where editors forget to add descriptions to external links. Check Bare URLs for more. Per External links is better to close bare links. Unclosed external links are reported as mid priority errors by WP:CHECKWIKI.
 * The Fact -> Citation needed change was agreed by consensus to help editors spot uncited statements. It is part of WP:AWB's general fixes and User:SmackBot replaces Fact to Citation needed in regular basis. -- Magioladitis (talk) 07:03, 1 September 2010 (UTC)
 * I can't find anything in External links which recommends to close bare links used as references or listed in "External links". Closing bare links is of course required by Embedded citations, but the examples above are not those. -- Michael Bednarek (talk) 07:30, 6 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Check External_links and how to link an external link with no description. -- Magioladitis (talk) 07:38, 6 September 2010 (UTC)
 * I read that snippet as applying to embedded citations. Regarding : yes; I think that the other bracket should be removed instead. That will present considerably more information to the reader than . -- Michael Bednarek (talk) 09:07, 6 September 2010 (UTC)
 * I tend to agree with your nice remark, but some remarks/concerns:
 * Judging by the fact that in the section I link there is a subsection on the external links section, I think they mean that the rule implies not only for citations.
 * in a citation isn't much more informative as in the external links section.
 * I think the best is to make a WP:BOTREQUEST to add descriptions to cases.
 * You can ask in Wikipedia talk:External links for clarification of the policy.
 * I could do the last two but it make time till then. Maybe you could help with those two. Thanks, Magioladitis (talk) 09:37, 6 September 2010 (UTC)
 * As you suggested, I have asked at Wikipedia talk:External links and it resulted in one response—more than 2 weeks ago—by User:WhatamIdoing: (nutshell) "that [section] does not tell you how you should format links; it only describes the software's actual behavior." which doesn't seem to give a mandate to close brackets in external links which lack a description. -- Michael Bednarek (talk) 13:48, 25 September 2010 (UTC)

Minor fixes to AWB
Capitalise the Orphan and Multiple issues tags when adding them. Rich Farmbrough, 21:41, 3 September 2010 (UTC).
 * I though Reedy fixed that already. I 'll check the code. -- Magioladitis (talk) 22:21, 3 September 2010 (UTC)
 * , . Rjwilmsi  11:28, 5 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Hi, you may like to read AWB 4 about clean fixes like you did here. I had the same issue. Regards, SunCreator (talk) 14:40, 5 September 2010 (UTC)
 * I think I did a wonderful WP:GNOME edit by removing an extra quote mark in a reference in a good article. -- Magioladitis (talk) 20:16, 5 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Yes, I realise that, but apparently not everyone agrees and have taken the effort to write out rules. Regards, SunCreator (talk) 22:39, 5 September 2010 (UTC)
 * The rules are about edits that don't change rendering of the article or done in large scale. I did none of that. These were just some warm-up to see how my bot will work in the following hours. -- Magioladitis (talk) 23:08, 5 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Nothing there in the rules about don't change rendering I'm afraid. I removed a left bracket or a blank line, you removed a single quote. All the same. Regards, SunCreator (talk) 23:41, 5 September 2010 (UTC)
 * I saw your recent edit to Chebyshev distance that was reverted - Canute strikes again. Rich Farmbrough, 19:42, 5 September 2010 (UTC).
 * To be fair I think the Chebyshev distance revert was correct. Regards, SunCreator (talk) 22:47, 5 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Thanks, I have just done a rebuild, unfortunately I was more or less forced to modify my source so stuff isn't always up to date - and looks like Tortoise wasn't doing quite what I thought either. Rich Farmbrough, 19:42, 5 September 2010 (UTC).

Birthdate_name
Could you correct these edits? I believe it was a problem with one regexp being a subexpression of the other, and having the order wrong. I have no idea how many of these there are. Thanks! Plastikspork <sub style="font-size: 60%">―Œ <sup style="margin-left:-3ex">(talk) 22:18, 5 September 2010 (UTC)
 * I went to fix entries in pages transcluding Infobox adult male and Infobox adult female but it turns that all mistakes were already fixed. -- Magioladitis (talk) 23:13, 5 September 2010 (UTC)
 * The one I linked to was a transclusion Infobox male model, not the porn star template :) Plastikspork <sub style="font-size: 60%">―Œ <sup style="margin-left:-3ex">(talk) 23:42, 5 September 2010 (UTC)
 * LOL. I 'll check it right away. -- Magioladitis (talk) 23:45, 5 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Nope. No more problems there neither. -- Magioladitis (talk) 23:49, 5 September 2010 (UTC)

Broken template
Just wanted to draw your attention to the fact that your recent change to Template:Infobox actor has broken the "Years active" field, and the results are currently showing up across all the articles using the template. AtticusX (talk) 18:57, 6 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Fixed. Thanks for reporting. -- Magioladitis (talk) 19:02, 6 September 2010 (UTC)

Infobox actor
I think a change you made to the template has caused a problem with some articles that don't specify years active. See Joseph Sargent. Can you fix it or explain to me what's going on?--Bbb23 (talk) 18:58, 6 September 2010 (UTC)
 * You are right. I made a mistake when I updated the code. Fixed now. You have to make a null edit to see that this is actually fixed. Thanks, Magioladitis (talk) 19:03, 6 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Thanks, works now.--Bbb23 (talk) 19:45, 6 September 2010 (UTC)

I just converted the backend, so it should be ready for substitution per WP:TFD/H. The only potential tweak would be the adding of the tracking category, which would probably be better to have on the talk page using one of the "image needed" templates, rather than right below the infobox, which is where it will be added if the template is substituted in its current form. Plastikspork <sub style="font-size: 60%">―Œ <sup style="margin-left:-3ex">(talk) 19:23, 6 September 2010 (UTC)
 * I was thinking for a more naive approach. We change all parameters and then we just redirect Infobox actor to Infobox person. But I like your approach more. -- Magioladitis (talk) 19:28, 6 September 2010 (UTC)


 * We you are ready, I can start substing Infobox actor. Just tell me. -- Magioladitis (talk) 19:31, 6 September 2010 (UTC)
 * It would be wise IMO to add the duplicate parameter names to Infobox person -- this will ensure that the template remains compatible with old revisions of the 40,000 articles currently using Infobox actor. Other than that, I can see about moving the talk pages over, since that doesn't require admin privilidges. PC78 (talk) 19:42, 6 September 2010 (UTC)
 * I read this before but I didn't get it. To which talk pages are you referring? -- Magioladitis (talk) 19:48, 6 September 2010 (UTC)
 * The archives of Template talk:Infobox actor. Or perhaps they should stay where they are since Infobox actor would remain as a redirect? PC78 (talk) 19:54, 6 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Either way with the talk archives. I could see leaving them with the redirect, but if we want people to actually be able to find them, it may be better to move them over to subpages of the "person template". Plastikspork <sub style="font-size: 60%">―Œ <sup style="margin-left:-3ex">(talk)  21:10, 6 September 2010 (UTC)
 * I might leave them, then. They can easily be linked to from Template talk:Infobox person either way. PC78 (talk) 21:19, 6 September 2010 (UTC)
 * What should we do with Category:Actors needing an image? It is a huge category at the moment, and is automatically populated by any transclusion of Infobox actor without an image.  Currently, if the template is substituted, this category is placed directly below the infobox, which is not where categories should go.  One option would be to add it independently at the bottom of the page, as the pages are being converted.  Another option would be to add image requested to the talk page of the pages in the category, before converting the pages.  Yet another option would be to kill the category completely.  What do you think? Plastikspork <sub style="font-size: 60%">―Œ <sup style="margin-left:-3ex">(talk)  21:10, 6 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Instead of using image requested, it might be better to add needs-photo to the WPBiography banner, which would have the same effect. Or how about adding a similar but more generic category to Infobox person, which could at least be cross-referenced with actor categories? I don't think that a hiddencategory should be added directly, though. PC78 (talk) 21:19, 6 September 2010 (UTC)

As I first part of the changes, I am updating all parameters to be the same with Infobox person. Then, we 'll see what we can do with the images. The real question is why we need this category. Should we start a discussion somewhere about it? -- Magioladitis (talk) 22:48, 6 September 2010 (UTC)

Do we need a tracking category to find invalid entries like these? -- Magioladitis (talk) 07:12, 7 September 2010 (UTC)


 * All actors/directors/producers, etc, should have the film-bio tag on the talkpage, and the needs image parameter should be placed there. If the article is currently missing the film-bio tag, that could be added in one go with the rest of the cleanup changes.  Lugnuts  (talk) 07:32, 7 September 2010 (UTC)
 * So we probably need to do this run first. A bot runs to all pages in the tracking category and adds the film-bio tag on the talkpage. I'll ask someone to do it. I can't do all this work alone. -- Magioladitis (talk) 07:34, 7 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Can we add WPBiography with filmio to all of them? I think flmbio is only for film actors and Infobox actor maybe for tv actors too. -- Magioladitis (talk) 09:12, 7 September 2010 (UTC)

Parameters
I know Yobot is already doing some of this, but can you make sure that all of the following are being updated (and that the current version of Infobox actor supports them): Parameters


 * imagesize --> image_size
 * image_caption --> caption
 * birthname --> birth_name
 * birthdate --> birth_date
 * location --> birth_place
 * birthplace --> birth_place
 * deathdate --> death_date
 * deathplace --> death_place
 * alias --> other_names
 * othername --> other_names
 * yearsactive --> years_active
 * domesticpartner --> partner
 * homepage --> website
 * URL --> website
 * restingplace --> resting_place
 * restingplacecoordinates --> resting_place_coordinates

Can Yobot also remove the following deprecated parameters:

Perhaps also remove any uses of awards; I'm not sure how compatible the old parameter we used in Infobox actor will be with the same parameter in Infobox person. Probably best to remove them and start again with awards. PC78 (talk) 07:48, 7 September 2010 (UTC)
 * notable role
 * academyawards
 * afiawards
 * arielaward
 * baftaawards
 * cesarawards
 * dramadeskawards
 * emmyawards
 * filmfareawards
 * geminiawards
 * goldencalfawards
 * goldenglobeawards
 * goldenraspberryawards
 * goyaawards
 * grammyawards
 * iftaawards
 * olivierawards
 * laurenceolivierawards
 * imageaward
 * naacpimageawards
 * nationalfilmawards
 * screenactorguildsawards
 * sagawards
 * tonyawards
 * bfjaawards
 * imdb_id
 * imdb
 * bgcolour


 * The duplicate parameter names are now in Infobox person, so a redirect will now be possible when you've finished you bot runs. PC78 (talk) 16:22, 7 September 2010 (UTC)
 * A redirect was already possible. They are two questions:

-- Magioladitis (talk) 16:27, 7 September 2010 (UTC)
 * What we do with the tracking category?
 * Do we want to keep Infobox actor as a redirect?


 * Why, have you already gone through all transclusions of Infobox actor? Can you also please restore those parameters you've just removed from Infobox person, I'm not seeing any basis for their removal. PC78 (talk) 16:32, 7 September 2010 (UTC)
 * The removal doesn't case any problems to the existing template. Standarisation of the parameters will help bots to work with infoboxes/persondata. -- Magioladitis (talk) 16:34, 7 September 2010 (UTC)


 * It causes problems with old revisions of many articles. Since those parameters shouldn't be used in current versions of articles, I don't see how it could affect bots, but bots should not be the primary consideration here. PC78 (talk) 16:37, 7 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Are we gonna keep Infobox actor as a redirect? -- Magioladitis (talk) 16:38, 7 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Certainly. PC78 (talk) 16:39, 7 September 2010 (UTC)
 * I still don't like much the idea that we add so many variants in a heavily transcluded template, especially if some of them are confusing. We could add a tracking category for invalid parameters instead. Let's discuss this in the template's talk page. -- Magioladitis (talk) 16:46, 7 September 2010 (UTC)

Reparse
These two are combination effects


 * 1) Don't use CURRENTMONTHNAME and CURRENTYEAR, use the actual month name (at least on en.) and year.
 * Because AWB can dump these entities in comments, (which it shouldn't - but it does no harm) and they can then get picked up by an S&R
 * 1) Include the "Use" family of templates in meta-data sorting  Use dmy dates,Use mdy dates,Use ymd dates,Use British English,Use British (Oxford) English
 * Because I end sort them (between PERSONDATA and DEFAULTSORT) and fight AWB over spacing. I can drop these rules.

Also there is a feature request to run GFs before AND after search and replace. The above bugs I can work around number 1 with before and number 2 with after. (2 is really my bug I know.) This would kill a lot of re-parse problems anyway.


 * The other minor fix that would be cool for me is not to add those trailing spaces when adding empty PERSONDATA fields.

A side effect of removing re-parse problems is that scanning for a specific problem won't show up so many false negatives when all fixes are on, any page that has been recently AWB'd will be clean for GFs.

Rich Farmbrough, 18:59, 8 September 2010 (UTC).


 * A Wikimedia "feature" removes one leading blank line each save, we should remove all leading blank lines if we don't already. Rich Farmbrough, 20:06, 8 September 2010 (UTC).
 * Example? -- Magioladitis (talk) 02:54, 12 September 2010 (UTC)


 * AWB will, probably perpetually, re-order these two fr: interwikis . Rich Farmbrough, 20:10, 8 September 2010 (UTC).
 * should fix unnecessary sorting. Rjwilmsi  22:05, 11 September 2010 (UTC)


 * Removes underscore the next edit removes the self link - in general any canonicalization should happen early. Rich Farmbrough, 20:16, 8 September 2010 (UTC).
 * Fixed Magioladitis (talk) 13:43, 25 September 2010 (UTC)


 * consolidate ReferenceA the next edit consolidates ReferenceB. Rich Farmbrough, 20:18, 8 September 2010 (UTC).
 * Fixed Magioladitis (talk) 18:11, 17 September 2010 (UTC)


 * Consolidates Unref into Multiple issues the next edit changes it to BLPunref. Rich Farmbrough, 20:31, 8 September 2010 (UTC).
 * Rjwilmsi tweaked existing logic to ensure param is always renamed when needed first time round. -- Magioladitis (talk) 02:53, 12 September 2010 (UTC)


 * replaces main article with main C:\AWB\AWB\WikiFunctions\Parse\Parsers.cs(3541): passim {{main|=>{{Main| . Rich Farmbrough, 22:52, 8 September 2010 (UTC).
 * Do you mean that I should replace it with "Main" instead of "main"? -- Magioladitis (talk) 22:58, 8 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Yes, on two lines that are part of the conditional. Rich Farmbrough, 23:01, 8 September 2010 (UTC).
 * {{awbsvn|7105}} for that. -- Magioladitis (talk) 23:06, 8 September 2010 (UTC)

Simarlarly
 * Line 2695   newValue = Tools.RenameTemplate(newValue, templatename, "Cite book");  Rich Farmbrough, 23:00, 8 September 2010 (UTC).
 * {{awbsvn|7111}} Though I really feel all this template initial letter uppercase conversion is an exercise in pointlessness. Rjwilmsi  21:02, 11 September 2010 (UTC)

Statistics
In 2009 Infobox Actor was moved to Infobox actor, SmackBot has been moving the template as it comes across it, presumably other agents have also. Currently there is one use of Infobox Actor.

I would like to monitor the migration of Infobox actor => Infobox person, by the processes already in place without intervening (i.e. SmackBot already fixes redirects to Infobox person, this won't change but there will be no special runs).

The purpose is to have information to decide at what point it is worth actively cleaning up template redirects, I expect when about 80%/90% have been replaced, but figures would be good.

I would also like to monitor the old redirects to Infobox actor, do you have a list?

Rich Farmbrough, 19:37, 8 September 2010 (UTC).


 * Infobox director
 * Infobox actor voice
 * Infobox actress
 * Infobox Actress

-- Magioladitis (talk) 19:46, 8 September 2010 (UTC)


 * Thanks, of course the redirects only had one article between them YoBot had sorted them all I guess. Rich Farmbrough, 20:51, 8 September 2010 (UTC).
 * Yes. In fact actor voice could also be deleted. -- Magioladitis (talk) 20:53, 8 September 2010 (UTC)


 * I don't think we should be deleting redirects (if that's what is being discussed here), certainly not those that are merged templates. PC78 (talk) 21:04, 8 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Infobox actor voice was created as a copy of Infobox actor back in 2006. Anyway, we can save this discussion in a potential RfD somewhere in the future. -- Magioladitis (talk) 21:43, 8 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Not true: the earliest revision of Template:Infobox actor voice clearly shows that it began as a very distinct infobox from Template:Infobox actor. PC78 (talk) 07:37, 9 September 2010 (UTC)
 * It's not what we are discussing, explicitly. The point is that a redirect from "MyVeryStui---pid__TEMPlat nam" to "More reasonable name", created by a move, does not actually change any of the occurrences. Since 90%+ of template calls are either cut and pasted or copied by sight and memory, the wiki will carry on using "MyVeryStui---pid__TEMPlat nam" making 1. source more obscure 2. imposing unnecessary cognitive load on editors (especially if they think they alsoneed t remember "MyFrontTobackArglebargle2" template, which also redirects to "More reasonable name", for gadgets as well as widgets.  However we don't want to impose unnecessary server load (in this case 34,000 edits) to replace the redirected template - certain bots and people will do the replacement as they do other edits, this will take a long time (in the present example - one fix every 17-18 minutes - if it were linear would be (((20*60+32)/69)*38000)/(60*24*365) years about 1 year 4 months. Of course it is actually exponential or worse, since the less cases, the less chance of one getting fixed, and more heavily used pages will tend to get fixed earlier - I'll do the sums later but I would say we are talking about 2 years to get to 20% left - to me it would be worth clearing up that 20% rather than waiting 2 more years to get to, say, 5%.  Rich Farmbrough, 17:29, 9 September 2010 (UTC).

More on syntax fixes
Do you mean for example to replace <tt> steel guitarist with steel guitarist </tt>? Sure, but is there in your opinion consensus for a complete cleanup? -- Basilicofresco  (msg) 07:34, 9 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Pretty sure. WP:AWB fixes this stuff for ages and there is a WP:CHECKWIKI list to find and fix these links too. -- Magioladitis (talk) 07:44, 9 September 2010 (UTC)
 * AWB fixes these redirects for a lot of things besides ages. I see it all the time. --Kumioko (talk) 17:52, 9 September 2010 (UTC)
 * "For ages" = "For a long time". I meant since at least 2008. -- Magioladitis (talk) 18:14, 9 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Oh sorry I misunderstood. --Kumioko (talk) 19:23, 9 September 2010 (UTC)

Non-existent categories
Your comments here appear to indicate you are opposed to removing non-existent categories from articles. However, WP:CAT states "An article should never be left with a non-existent (redlinked) category on it." Do you believe this policy needs to be updated? Has consensus been built on this issue somewhere? --Pascal666 18:30, 9 September 2010 (UTC)
 * My comment indicates that redlinked categories can be added in a page :) i.e. Created after the article is done. -- Magioladitis (talk) 19:41, 9 September 2010 (UTC)

AWB
Hi

I'm sorry to trouble you but I really hope you can help.

I'm trying to download AWB to my pc, I extract the files from Winzip but when I go to log on all I get is the message that AWB has encountered a problem and needs to close.

I really don't know what I'm doing wrong. I've tried downloading the snapshot too but that's coming up the same. I hope you can help because I've been trying now since July to get this fixed! --5 albert square (talk) 23:04, 10 September 2010 (UTC)


 * Scrap that, as you can probably tell from my edits I seem to have finally got it working again! --5 albert square (talk) 00:24, 11 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Perfect. Happy editing! -- Magioladitis (talk) 16:22, 11 September 2010 (UTC)

Paul Oskar Höcker
Thanks for cleaning up. As you can tell, that article came pretty much straight from the German wiki. Do you mind cleaning up its companions, Oskar Höcker, Gustav Höcker, Karla Höcker, and Lessing Theater? There up at DYK right now. Thanks again! Drmies (talk) 04:08, 11 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Just to clarify: I ask not because I'm too lazy (well...) but because you do this in some automated fashion, I think (that's what AWB means, right?), and you seem to know what you're doing--I don't rightly know what you're doing! Thanks, Drmies (talk) 04:10, 11 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Done. Just check for mistakes. -- Magioladitis (talk) 09:33, 11 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Excellent! Thank you so much. Drmies (talk) 14:21, 11 September 2010 (UTC)

Sock?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/Renfro.timothy

How is it possible that a SPA knows about the otheruses4 and about issue?

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=McMurry_University&diff=prev&oldid=383725506

He might be a sock.199.126.224.245 (talk) 05:44, 14 September 2010 (UTC)


 * It seems like they did some partial revert to the article. -- Magioladitis (talk) 06:59, 14 September 2010 (UTC)


 * Well, looking into his edit history, he only edited that article, and the diff that I gave was a wholesale replacement of about to otheruses4. He might have gotten otheruses4 from another wikis (wikias), but it is obvious from his editing that he knows his way around wikipedia.199.126.224.245 (talk) 07:29, 14 September 2010 (UTC)


 * True. I 'll keep an eye on them. -- Magioladitis (talk) 07:35, 14 September 2010 (UTC)

Please stop User:Yobot from making erroneous "corrections" to image file names!
See diff HERE for my correction of an erroneous and trouble-causing change by User:Yobot. In a nutshell, it changed the name of an image file to use one type of hyphen rather than another. The result was to remove the image from the page, and then another bot came along and tagged the image file itself for deletion, since it was orphaned. Please fix User:Yobot so that this bug is fixed. (NB: I am leaving this message here rather than on User talk:Yobot because it directed comments to this page if there was no immediate need to stop Yobot from operating. But if this but continues to happen, I will consider leaving a message that stops the bot... Thank you -- Health Researcher (talk) 17:06, 15 September 2010 (UTC)
 * This is an AWB bug. We 'll fix it as soon as possible. I checked and there were no more files affected. Moreover, Yobot didn't do any edits in the last few hours. Thanks for reporting. -- Magioladitis (talk) 20:20, 15 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Many thanks. And thanks more generally for your work in operating and maintaining bots. -- Health Researcher (talk) 23:25, 15 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Fixes. -- Magioladitis (talk) 08:43, 16 September 2010 (UTC)

Yobot Typo
It is leaving "Removing obsolote parameter from template" all over wikipedia. Please spellcheck.

Delete or add name field from certain templates
I just suggested a AWB Feature that I would value your input on. I know there are other templates including Congbio that likely also apply to this but I am not sure what they all are? --Kumioko (talk) 23:45, 19 September 2010 (UTC)
 * You mentioned that it might be a good bot task. I guess I am still a little confused about what the difference is between what would warrant a general fix and a bot task. In this case there are undoubtedly hundreds or thousands of articles that would be affected. I have changed a couple hundred already myself manually but this represents only a small percentage of what is out there. --Kumioko (talk) 13:08, 20 September 2010 (UTC)
 * As a general rule: If the error is something common that happens often, then we need a general fix. If the error is because the syntax changed and editors are not willing to use the old style then we make a bot run. Of course there are more parameters to take in count. I was preparing a guide for which task need AWB's genfixes, which need bots and which could be part of CHECKWIKI but then I lost interest. -- Magioladitis (talk) 13:17, 20 September 2010 (UTC)

SENCHA90
Hi There.

thank you for your message. what removal of references are you relating too? I have done a few edits. Please send a link. —Preceding unsigned comment added by SENCHA90 (talk • contribs) 00:55, 20 September 2010 (UTC)

Question about datapulls
You seem to know a lot about this so I thought I would ask you. If I wanted to pull a list of what articles have a certain problem how would I do that? I know there are users like yourself who know how to do that but I was wondering if there are instructions on how to do that rather than asking another user to do my dirty laundry. For example I would like to find out what articles on WP have a see also section below References, Sources, External links, Further reading. Per the MOS:Layout the see also section should come above these. I have regex that catches most or all of them but pulling them in category by category is proving to be quite slow and there seems to be a massive number of articles that fall into this or related layout problems. Thanks again for the help. --Kumioko (talk) 17:26, 20 September 2010 (UTC)
 * You may want to give a look at Database download. In fact, I never did it myself because I am lacking of free hard disc space. Tell me if you find any difficulties. -- Magioladitis (talk) 18:46, 20 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Thanks --Kumioko (talk) 00:54, 21 September 2010 (UTC)

DEON ST.MOR
Dear Magioladitis,

I have recently noticed you said I had created reverted edits on Deon St.Mor when I hadnt touched it, I sent smackbot a review on his talk to help me update - I never undid his edits. So I Dont't know why you posted on my page. I am learning and trying. Thanks. 203.100.255.210 (talk) 06:09, 21 September 2010 (UTC)

Yobot adding defaultsort to articles
Hi! I noticed your bot adding a DEFAULTSORT to Ginkgo biloba (diff). Consensus has been that binomials with a lowercase species epithet do not require a defaultsort, as they will only ever sort next to article titles similar to theirs (e.g. Stylidium graminifolium will sort next to Stylidium guttatum whether they have or don't have the defaultsort). The other reason to omit the defaultsort on species articles is that new users will frequently "fix" the defaultsort when they see it in the edit window, as it is always incorrect to style a species epithet as capitalized. If your bot can't distinguish between species articles and non-species articles, perhaps it's best not to use that AWB function on articles you're cleaning up. Cheers, Rkitko (talk) 17:09, 22 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Perhaps you want to inform other editors and ask for change in the Manual of style then. Do you have a link to this discussion/consensus? Current consensus says that every word must start with capitalised letter inside DEFAULTSORT. -- Magioladitis (talk) 19:14, 22 September 2010 (UTC)
 * A few users discussed it here: Wikipedia talk:Categorization/Archive 10, but few replies. It's mostly agreed upon by the users in the WP:TOL and WP:PLANTS projects, especially since we use sortkeys with lowercase species epithets. I turn the question around to you: Where is it said that every article must have a DEFAULTSORT? Initially, this was a useful way to sort multiple categories for biography articles, but it seems to be applied to every article regardless of whether it needs it or not and there has been consensus that every article must receive one. Cheers, Rkitko (talk) 19:35, 22 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Check WP:SORTKEY. Yobot is running using the automated tool WP:AWB which implements this policy. -- Magioladitis (talk) 19:57, 22 September 2010 (UTC)
 * I realize it says "by convention" such and such is done, but I still don't take that as an imperative that every page must get a DEFAULTSORT. As long as the pages are categorized consistently ("it is important that sort keys be capitalized consistently"), I think we'd be OK to leave binomial sorting separate from most everything else. I realize AWB does this; I've asked about it in the past but got no replies. DEFAULTSORT will only work if applied consistently (inconsistent use leads to very odd sorting in categories, such as Flora of X categories); leaving it off of species articles is the most parsimonious solution and leads to the most consistent categorization. As I see it, the spotty DEFAULTSORT usage just mucks things up on flora articles and does absolutely no good. Rkitko (talk) 20:57, 22 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the continuous feedback. I can restrict DEFAULTSORT addition. This isn't a big problem. There is a feature in AWB already but can you please initiate a discussion somewhere to see what is the consensus on that? -- Magioladitis (talk) 22:29, 22 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Thanks. Since I've tried before and received very little feedback, do you have a suggestion on which central location to have such a discussion? I would like to get wider input. Cheers, Rkitko (talk) 00:35, 23 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Ask in the WP:VILLAGEPUMP where and how you could advertise your idea. Sorry for the last answer. My talk page needs cleanup. -- Magioladitis (talk) 12:32, 25 September 2010 (UTC)

Wikilink simplification task
Hi! Your opinion is needed at Bots/Requests for approval/FrescoBot 7, as I expected there is some opposition to the wikilink simplification task. -- Basilicofresco  (msg) 17:31, 23 September 2010 (UTC)
 * The request doesn't really differ from another already proved task of FrescoBot. -- Magioladitis (talk) 23:19, 23 September 2010 (UTC)

church disambig
I noticed Yobot changing a number of church disambiguation pages to drop use of a "church disambig" template, in favor of "disambig|church" which does nothing. The church disambiguation stuff was developed then challenged and discussed out in a template-for-discussion process, with linked other discussions, a year or two ago. I believe it is not right to tear out structure that was there. One aspect of the system is that it provided a category, perhaps a hidden category i am not sure, that enabled editors to find the church disambiguation pages. Changing the template effectively destroys the list of pages. i edited at Yobot page towards stopping it for now until this can be reviewed. What brings this up now? --doncram (talk) 13:00, 24 September 2010 (UTC)
 * The result of the TfD discussion was "use Disamb". Moreover, categorisation wasn't affected at all. Check any article and you will no that no information was lost. -- Magioladitis (talk) 13:03, 24 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Here is the discussion Templates_for_deletion/Log/2009_May_2. The old template was fading slowly in favor of the standard template anyway. Also check Category:Church building disambiguation pages which is perfectly live with all pages there. -- Magioladitis (talk) 13:07, 24 September 2010 (UTC)
 * It's easier to access the pages thought the category anyway. Moreover, this change solved some problems caused by WP:AWB which resulted to incorrect tagging as orphan and reverts. If more tracking is needed now we can use tracking categories with Disamb code. -- Magioladitis (talk) 13:12, 24 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Okay, i see you noticed my followup at User talk:Yobot. As i said there, it seems my first reading of a couple of these was incorrect.  I also left notes just now at User talk:Carlaude and User talk:DePiep, noting this going on and that i think it is okay.  Barring any objections which i don't expect, then further if you say you have gone through all the church disambig template usages already, then i guess this is done, and good to have done.  Thanks.  Perhaps a note beforehand at Talk of the church disambig template would have been helpful.  Maybe a note there now, and/or at the template:disambig talk page, would still be appropriate?  --doncram (talk) 13:45, 24 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Yes, a note would be good. Thanks for the feedback. -- Magioladitis (talk) 14:15, 24 September 2010 (UTC)

Soliciting your opinion about a new template
Sorry to bug you for your opinion again but here goes. For a while now I have found quite a few articles that had multiple hat notes to other articles and it seemed a little unnecessary to reuse the same template over and over for the different names like this:

so I created a new template Other people5 that will allow multiple names (up to 4) to be linked concurrently like this:

. I think this is a litle bit easier and cleaner way of displaying them but please let me know what you think if you have the time. --Kumioko (talk) 17:21, 24 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Seems good. Of course, I would prefer if we modify an existing template to hold these parameters. I'll give a more thorough look. -- Magioladitis (talk) 17:33, 24 September 2010 (UTC)
 * I agree in fact after looking at the logic for the Other people templates it seems like we should be able pretty much incorporate the logic into one template. Maybe two. Thanks for the help. --Kumioko (talk) 17:37, 24 September 2010 (UTC)

Order effect/reparse
This is a nice one


 * {{cite web|url=http:http://www.a..
 * {{cite web|url=http//:http://www.a..
 * {{cite web|url=http://www.a..


 * Rich Farmbrough, 08:37, 25 September 2010 (UTC).
 * Easy fix I guess. Just need to invert the order in FixSyntax. -- Magioladitis (talk)
 * {{awbsvn|7190}} by Rjw -- Magioladitis (talk) 09:23, 25 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Cool. Rich Farmbrough, 10:39, 25 September 2010 (UTC).

Another one - I've seen this before but only just tracked it down.
 * User:FrescoBot will start fixing this case too. -- Magioladitis (talk) 22:23, 26 September 2010 (UTC)

Rich Farmbrough, 09:18, 25 September 2010 (UTC).
 * 12th of May, 2009
 * 12 May, 2009
 * 12 May 2009

Abejones
Hi Magioladitis! Im an English teacher in Mexico City. One of my students, User:Auroraaurora is working on the article Abejones, which you recently edited. The article was supposed to have two paragraphs by yesterday (lead and one section of one paragraph in length) and a third by Oct 5. I see you added the toponomy section but there are also a whole lot of markers as well. If you like, you are more than welcome to work by my student to help get the article expanded. Thanks!Thelmadatter (talk) 17:13, 25 September 2010 (UTC)

Infobox pageant titleholder
Can we merge this one with ? The pageant titles stuff would need to be added to the model box, but otherwise, I don't see anything major missing (e.g., do we really need orientation and natural bust?). 69.254.131.54 (talk) 16:49, 26 September 2010 (UTC)
 * I agree with you. Can you please send it for a TfD? -- Magioladitis (talk) 10:06, 27 September 2010 (UTC)
 * I send it for TfD. -- Magioladitis (talk) 09:07, 30 September 2010 (UTC)

Talk page cleanup suggestions
I don't know if these are on your list yet but I found a couple talk page things that might be good to add to your list if they arent there already. Thanks --Kumioko (talk) 02:34, 27 September 2010 (UTC)
 * 1) if the items in the Banners = Ye or ye change them to Yes. I have seen quite a few that have this
 * 2) Under the WPMILHIST template the Southeast-Asian task force is frequently misspelled as Southeast Asian, Southeast-Asia or Southeast Asia.
 * 3) BLP=yes appears at the bottom of the banners for quite a few articles and I believe it should be at the top not buried in banners
 * 4) If the article talk page contains needs persondata=no, needs infobox=no, or needs image/photo = no then remove that parameter
 * 5) There are quite a few articles that have duplicate parameters in the banners
 * 6) I have seen a few pages with banners or talk page items appearing more than once.
 * I was just wondering if you had any comments on these. --Kumioko (talk) 03:50, 30 September 2010 (UTC)
 * There are all very good ideas. I keep them for the day we 'll start working on the plugin again. -- Magioladitis (talk) 07:32, 30 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Oh ok, sorry to be pushy. Have a great day. --Kumioko (talk) 13:21, 30 September 2010 (UTC)

"Updating parameters in infobox"...
...and a bit more on top of that. Not sure if this has been fixed, so reporting anyway. GregorB (talk) 18:44, 28 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the report. It was reported in the past and already fixed. I thought I have gone back and fixed all the problems. -- Magioladitis (talk) 20:33, 28 September 2010 (UTC)

Above the Ruins
Hi there. You added a Persondata template to this article, but it's not a person but a band. I don't know, but is a Persondata template here correct nonetheless? Thanks. Mark in wiki (talk) 10:14, 30 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the report. I 'll investigate it. I don't see any human categories nor an infobox in the page. -- Magioladitis (talk) 10:32, 30 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Rjw added an infobox that indicated that the article is about a band. Moreover, fixes the problem. -- Magioladitis (talk) 16:54, 30 September 2010 (UTC)

CHECKWIKI
I noticed on Magazine (firearms) that you used some tool to make changes. Unfortunately it has a problem that I've seen others have. You changed a ref from "page=123" to "pages=123" which is incorrect. The former is the page number for the reference, the latter is the number of pages IN the reference. If you can watch out for that it would be great. Or if you can somehow see a fix gets made to the tool, even better. AliveFreeHappy (talk) 16:33, 30 September 2010 (UTC)
 * You did . -- Magioladitis (talk) 17:00, 30 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Check Template:Cite book. pages displays "pp." i.e. page range in the reference, number of pages in the reference. -- Magioladitis (talk) 17:05, 30 September 2010 (UTC)

Your opinion is requested
You are invited to join the discussion at Template talk:WPBiography. Funandtrvl (talk) 23:25, 30 September 2010 (UTC) (Using )

Resurrection
Your edit a couple weeks ago to Jerry Siegel changed his info box to indicate his current age... which would be nice except that he's dead. This is reckless editing; please be more careful. If your editing tools are doing this (as suggested by the many many complaints on this page about them) either fix them or stop using them; they damage the wiki. -Jason A. Quest (talk) 15:22, 3 October 2010 (UTC)
 * This was a manual edit. I didn't use any tools. And perhaps you should read WP:GOODFAITH before writing me that I am damaging Wikipedia. -- Magioladitis (talk) 16:02, 3 October 2010 (UTC)
 * I did assume good faith: I assumed it was a malfunctioning tool, and that you had not done it deliberately. If you did it manually, then please be more careful in the future, because your edit introduced misinformation into the article (i.e. damage). -Jason A. Quest (talk) 21:37, 3 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Good. But please don't remove birthdate fro the Infobox. I am trying to form a consistency between person Infoboxes. -- Magioladitis (talk) 21:40, 3 October 2010 (UTC)
 * As long as you add it without damaging the article again, I'll leave it. -Jason A. Quest (talk) 21:49, 3 October 2010 (UTC)

Thanks
Kind Thanks for contribution in Article - Harsh Vardhan Jain. If possible can the Clean Up tag be removed as now some corrections are been done. Thanks againHARRYMAGIC (talk) 07:02, 7 October 2010 (UTC)

Template:Main1 and Template:Main2
Hello! It was brought to my attention at Redirects for discussion/Log/2010 October 5 that you speedily deleted these redirects. Though I'm sure that you regarded this as "routine" "non-controversial," it was not (for the reasons discussed in that listing). Please reverse these actions. Thank you! —David Levy 19:27, 9 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Reverted and sent to RfD. -- Magioladitis (talk) 01:57, 10 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Thanks again! —David Levy 03:00, 10 October 2010 (UTC)

Error 59
Hello, Magioladitis. Your bot, User:Yobot, recently removed the linebreaks from within nihongo template in the Magical Girl Lyrical Nanoha (series) article. This has already been discussed on it's talk page and it has been agreed that the linebreaks improve readability of the article in that particular case.

The same argument applies to another edit Yobot made, in the Bee Train article. In both cases, the linebreak tag is used to force the Japanese name/title to appear directly below the English translation in a table, as opposed to being forcibly wrapped in somewhere in the middle to span two lines. --Koveras ☭ 12:00, 12 October 2010 (UTC)
 * I'll exclude all pages with "nihongo" from my list but if nihongo always uses break lines please consider adding the break line inside the template instead of using it like that. I'll check this situation further later. Thanks for reporting. -- Magioladitis (talk) 12:03, 12 October 2010 (UTC)
 * I updated Wikipedia_talk:AutoWikiBrowser/Feature_requests. -- Magioladitis (talk) 12:40, 12 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Thank you. And no, nihongo is usually intended to be used in-line, but it can also be used within tables and infoboxes, in which case a linebreak is a convenient method to force the English and the corresponding Japanese terms to remain properly structured inside it. An alternative would be an additional template for use in tables and infoboxes, or an additional parameter for the existing template that'd insert the linebreak. However, I do not know how often it is needed and thus whether it warrants template modification. --Koveras ☭ 20:29, 12 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the very useful information. -- Magioladitis (talk) 00:49, 13 October 2010 (UTC)

The template Break can be used for this too. Rich Farmbrough, 15:25, 16 December 2010 (UTC).

This needs to stop
You need to stop your ongoing crusade against template redirects and wrapper templates. You are continually jamming up processes and making or proposing insignificant edits, for some personal desire to rid the wiki of template redirects and wrapper templates. There is nothing inherently wrong with them. Please stop. – xeno <sup style="color:black;">talk 13:02, 14 October 2010 (UTC)
 * The template is marked as "Deprecated". -- Magioladitis (talk) 13:04, 14 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Please look up the meaning of the word. – xeno <sup style="color:black;">talk 13:06, 14 October 2010 (UTC)


 * Instead of stopping, you today engaged on another campaign of insignificant and trivial edits, to orphan templates/template redirects prior to discussion or consensus in a fait accompli. I've blocked you indefinitely and will post to WP:AN for review of this action. – xeno <sup style="color:black;">talk 17:45, 15 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Administrators' noticeboard/Archive218. It's unfortunate that it's come to this. – xeno <sup style="color:black;">talk 17:56, 15 October 2010 (UTC)
 * FYI, I will unblock you if you agree to obtain consensus for these changes prior to making them. – xeno <sup style="color:black;">talk 20:19, 15 October 2010 (UTC)

Butchered date
FYI...you butchered the date in this edit: http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Horizontal_boring_machine&curid=22316878&diff=390695074&oldid=374916635. Wizard191 (talk) 17:29, 14 October 2010 (UTC)
 * I was trying to fix it... :( -- Magioladitis (talk) 21:01, 14 October 2010 (UTC)

Notes on DABlinks

 * 09:50, 15 October 2010 - 10:08, 15 October 2010: Fixed all Other uses with more than 1 parameter. Other uses doesn't support them.
 * 10:25, 15 October 2010 - 12:05, 15 October 2010: Changes to Other use. In most cases simplified code by using About, removed unnecessary parameters, moved on the top.
 * 12:06, 15 October 2010 - 12:15, 15 October 2010: Changed Alternateuses to Other uses.
 * 14:16, 15 October 2010 - 15:17, 15 October 2010: Resumed work to Other use.
 * 15:53, 15 October 2010 - 17:34, 15 October 2010: Changes to Three other uses. In most cases simplified code by using About, removed unnecessary parameters, removed red links, moved on the top, consolidated with other existing DABlinks on the page. In most cases Three other uses wasn't using its unique functionally which distinguishes it from About.
 * Sent Three other uses to TfD since About can do much more now making many of the old DABlinks unnecessary.
 * TO DO: Sent Two other uses to TfD and probably Other uses6.
 * This is part on an ongoing work that
 * Reduced number of redundant templates. Check Otheruses7, Otheruses8, Otheruses9 and probably more that were deleted by working in improving the existing templates.
 * Moved DABlinks on the top. (Now part of AWB' source code)
 * Consolidated DABlinks reducing number of break lines in pages. (Now part of AWB' source code)

I won't be online for the weekend. -- Magioladitis (talk) 18:27, 15 October 2010 (UTC)
 * A lot of your edits did nothing but change the name of the template. What's wrong with simply redirecting the "old" template to the "new" one as xeno said? - Kingpin13 (talk) 18:42, 15 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Which one? Three other uses? In some cases there were 2 or 4 other uses making the name a bit weird. Moreover, About supports some cool tricks which this one doesn't. There were at about 100-150 transclusions and in most cases I didn't solely change the name. -- Magioladitis (talk) 18:47, 15 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Yes, the Three other uses. I took a look, and as I said lot of the time you are only changing "{{Three other uses..." to "{{About...", 4/5 times from a random sample of 9 edits (I can do a proper review and figure out the actual number if you want, but) I think it's clear that you've done a bit under 50-75 edits which could have been accomplished with one edit to the template. This seems to be an ongoing theme with you. I agree to some extent that it may be better to use {{tl|about}}, but there are better ways to switch over to using that template then the method you've used. Also, I 'm concerned you're not actually reviewing the edits properly before making them in AWB (see the section just above this for example), but maybe that's just an exception.. - Kingpin13 (talk) 19:01, 15 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Which example? Most of the edits I did were done manually. I am only using AWB to open pages faster. If you check closely I do manually change things all over the article. Most of the DABlinks need extra care because they have unnecessary wikilinks, a better dablink could be used, etc. -- Magioladitis (talk) 19:46, 15 October 2010 (UTC)

If someone wonder why I didn't "rename" the remaining three cases, it's because these were the only cases using Three other uses unique functionality compared to About. More than 3 template deletions on similar cases show how has right and who hasn't. Per the 2nd reason to delete a template: "The template is redundant to a better-designed template". This is the case and deleting this kind of stuff was always a typical procedure. Some people try to bypass this by creating redirects even if the templates aren't equal.

For the Two other uses: I would send to TfD this too but I would like to get sure that very few pages use its unique functionality. -- Magioladitis (talk) 20:01, 15 October 2010 (UTC)

Comments related to today's block review and the above project
Some comments: I won't be able to edit in the next 2 days anyway. So, it's a good time for both sides to think if I did something wrong.

In Administrators'_noticeboard, it was implied that this is related Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Archive215. This is not case. The latter was caused by a bug in WP:AWB's code that was fixed. Of course, it's everybody's right to believe that I was doing the edits in question on purpose. I have already written on the matter in my talk page.

In the same discussion it's also mixes the action of bypassing redirects with the one of replacing a template with one other. I consider myself experienced on the subject of the DABlink and I think I have to the right to add/replace with one that I think it's more appropriate. If someone checks I corrected many mistakes in DABlinks. Nobody, until now, ever reacted in my edits moving, updating, changing DABlinks. About with 70k+ transclusions is better established and more familiar for tenths of editors by a template with less than 200 transclusions which was not even used for its purpose other than in 4 pages. I don't understand where the WP:R2D stands on that. It's also remarkable that TfD discussions (not RfD) usually ended with the redundant DABlink to be deleted. Until today, where a new era of WP:INCLUSIONISM arose, the era where one of the four reasons to delete a template ("The template is redundant to a better-designed template") is in doubt.

Conclusion: I am not asking for an unblock at the moment. I would like to see more opinions about the TfD. -- Magioladitis (talk) 00:15, 16 October 2010 (UTC)
 * In future, please engage the TFD process before orphaning templates. I've unblocked. – xeno <sup style="color:black;">talk 01:10, 16 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Thanks. -- Magioladitis (talk) 06:37, 16 October 2010 (UTC)

November 2010
Other use and Other uses5 got deleted. -- Magioladitis (talk) 23:14, 28 November 2010 (UTC)

Fixed a link on Yobot's page
So you know, I fixed a link at User:Yobot on the shutoff button. The link was set to where the block form would, by default, block AnomieBOT rather than Yobot. Now it points to the correct bot account. SchuminWeb (Talk) 20:52, 21 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Thanks. -- Magioladitis (talk) 21:05, 21 October 2010 (UTC)

Yobot, my hero
For removing expand tags from stub articles. Thanks, First Light (talk) 23:07, 21 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Thanks!!! Yobot appreciates WP:BARNSTARS :) -- Magioladitis (talk) 23:08, 21 October 2010 (UTC)

Hehe. Thanks! I am sending you my Wikilove. -- Magioladitis (talk) 23:23, 21 October 2010 (UTC)

Question about formatting on talk pages
I have been working on cleaning up some talk pages and I have noticed a few things that I am unclear about but that might be good additions for AWB. In some cases we might need consensus though im not sure.
 * 1) In the main article spaces we delink section headings and do other cleanup tasks that we do not seem to do this for talk pages. I have looked through the talk page documents and the MOS but it doesnt seem to specifically exclude Talk pages so I think we should be doing some there too. Not all mind you but certain ones like delinking section headings.
 * 2) I have seen several occassions were banners were below comments. It seems we have logic for some templates but I think we should add to it to make sure comments sections go below the templates and banners.
 * 3) I know that typically we do not make any changes in structure (in many cases not even typos) to talk pages but I think there are some exceptions that should be made to this. For example http:\\http:\\ should be replaced to just http:\\.
 * 4) This ones more of a question but what are your thoughts on Template redirects for talk pages. For example WPUF to WikiProject University of Florida. The same applies for WP biography, Articles for Creation and several others. I think it would be useful to add some of those to the new Template redirects page.
 * 5) A lot of talk pages also have parameters for things that equal no like infoboxes and image needed. I think these should be removed.
 * 6) A lot of talk pages have empty parameters that in my opinion should be removed. I dont mean like class, priority, listas or living but Examples of some that shouldn't be there if not used are portal, image needed, infobox needed, the dozons of task forces under WPMILHIST (if empty or no). Some editors seem to drop the whole banner with every parameter and it makes the page unnecessarily long and complicated. Plus it take up a lot of space. Just a few more thoughts to add to the growing list you already have.
 * 7) You just added logic recently to look for invalid parameters in citations. I think this would also be useful for talk page banners. With the exception of a few like milhist with a large number of task forces the templates are pretty well standardized. As much as anything this would help to identify spelling errors in the template paramaters that I frequently see such as classs instead of class, proirity instead of priority, etc. I think if we do this as a page like we do with template redirects it would be easier to manage BTW. --Kumioko (talk) 14:56, 22 October 2010 (UTC)

Quick answers:
 * 1) Better not touch comments. Rules are loose on talk pages.
 * 2) We try to fix that.
 * I will let you know when I run into it again. --Kumioko (talk) 23:38, 23 October 2010 (UTC)


 * 1) Better not touch comments. Rules are loose on talk pages. We can't be sure why is something written wrong. Maybe it's on purpose.
 * Ill later you know if I think of anything more specific. --Kumioko (talk) 23:38, 23 October 2010 (UTC)


 * 1) Bots of xeno, Rich and my bot, all three, do replacements while doing other things. Rich has a page with all the replacements that may be needed if you are planning working with talk pages.
 * Thanks Ill go and look for that. --Kumioko (talk) 23:38, 23 October 2010 (UTC)


 * 1) We can't form a general rule. In some cases parameter=no is on purpose. See for example living of WPBiography
 * I know there are cases where its needed like living but I was thinking that of identifying them specifically rather than a general = no kinda thing. I am thinking about the countless task forces under MILHIST or things like persondata-needed = no. With the new persondata logic this parameter is basically deprecated now. --Kumioko (talk) 23:38, 23 October 2010 (UTC)


 * 1) I know but we can't make general fixes on that. We may need a bot.
 * 2) Never thought of that before.
 * I have a fairly long list already if this is something you think might be worthwhile. Otherwise I will continue building on it for a possible bot. --Kumioko (talk) 23:38, 23 October 2010 (UTC)

-- Magioladitis (talk) 20:36, 23 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Thanks, I left a few comments after yours but to answer one comment I have been working with talk pages a lot lately to cleanup the Medal of Honor recipients and lately in an attempt to reinvigorate Wikiproject United States. I regards to the bot I might be interested in taking that on. I created a bot (I called him Bob and hes looking for work. I have several ideas but in as an untrained bot in this economy he seems open to some odd jobs till the full time work starts coming in. --Kumioko (talk) 23:38, 23 October 2010 (UTC)

IMDb Name template
I know that there has been some contentious debate recently about capitalizing the first letter but in this case I really think when we are changing this it should be changed from imdb to IMDB instead of how its currently doing it iMDb. It just doesn't look right. --Kumioko (talk) 20:28, 23 October 2010 (UTC)
 * We know. :( -- Magioladitis (talk) 20:30, 23 October 2010 (UTC)

Most
Indonesian project tags have been done with WP Indonesia - is there an a specific reason to change it to WikiProject when the majority of tags are WP Indonesia ? SatuSuro 06:50, 24 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Hi. All projects renamed recently to "WikiProject ...". This helps us identify them in talk pages. Moreover, WP:AWB identifies WikiProject banners of that form and decided to add or not WikiProjectBannerShell, does various fixes, etc. At ;east 3 bots rename all banners to that form while doing other stuff. Standarisation can only have benefits. -- Magioladitis (talk) 14:12, 24 October 2010 (UTC)

I believe that - but I have seen some interesting short hand usages in some projects - so just to confirm - if I see a project tag of WPUSA, or WPBiography - you are telling me that tagging for WikiProject United States of America and WikiProject Biography are now the correct way of putting the tags on the talk page? 23:11, 24 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Yes. All banners have been standardised except 2 or 3. One exception is WPBiography that is still in the old form but there is an ongoing discussion in Template talk:WPBiography. I suggest that you use the "WikiProject ..." form when adding templates because this enables bots and programs to easier work with them. Happy editing! -- Magioladitis (talk) 04:30, 25 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Happy maybe - it sometimes feels like there is no one here anymore - when I go into some of the tagging - it is like  projects that are more spectacularly like Marie Celeste candidates each and every one... :|  - the forks and knives are still out but no one answers anything - the spactres throw shadows but they are not there SatuSuro 04:45, 25 October 2010 (UTC)

AWB misuse
I'm pretty sure that edits like these, fixing template redirects, is improper use of AWB. Considering you were recently blocked for this, I would advise you to stop immediately.  Jolly  Ω   Janner  15:10, 24 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Was just about to come here on the same issue. What gives? I unblocked you in hopes that you would cease doing this stuff. – xeno <sup style="color:black;">talk 15:09, 25 October 2010 (UTC)

Sibling problem
Hi. In this edit the bot added a misleading defaultsort and an unnecessary persondata template. Can the bot be fixed so it doesn't apply the changes to pairs/groups? Thanks Hekerui (talk) 19:05, 27 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Thanks for reporting. I'll take care of it. -- Magioladitis (talk) 19:37, 27 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Fixed. -- Magioladitis (talk) 22:43, 27 October 2010 (UTC)

Committee
You are invited to join the Committee for getting things done Rich Farmbrough, 18:28, 28 October 2010 (UTC).

Infoboxes & birth/death dates
With your User:Magioladitis/Infoboxes page, do you think it is worth updating the templates doc pages to show the birth_date & death_date params rather than what they have shown previously when support for those params are added? I've done a few but haven't updated the docs. -- WOSlinker (talk) 18:36, 28 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Very nice job! I think yes. It's better to show the infobox person parameters than the old ones. It's easier to remember ONE name for all these infoboxes. -- Magioladitis (talk) 21:37, 28 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Found a few more uncategoriesed Infoboxes and added categories to some of them and norminated some for deletion -- WOSlinker (talk) 17:50, 29 October 2010 (UTC)

Archiving the info from Feature requests and Bugs
I noticed that there are quite a few of teh suggestions under bugs and feature requests that are completed and waiting to be archived. Is this something that anyone could do or do you prefer to do that yourself. --Kumioko (talk) 13:00, 29 October 2010 (UTC)
 * I did many right now. Feel free to archive any of your feature requests. I usually leave some time for bug fixes until there is a user reaction. -- Magioladitis (talk) 13:28, 29 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Oh ok thanks. I justr thought I could free up some of your time to do more important tasks. --Kumioko (talk) 15:40, 29 October 2010 (UTC)

Disambiguation
You removed (disambiguation) from a hatnote here. However, as far as I understand it, these links deliberately go through the disambiguation redirect, so that it becomes clear on the page that it is not a link pointing in error to a disambiguation page, but one doing so deliberately. Basically, every page that links to [X (disambiguation)] instead of [X] (where X is a disambiguation page) is correct, while every page that links to [X] directly is in error, and should be repointed to [X (person A)] or X (place B)]. If I am correct in this, could you correct the above? If I'm wrong, could you explain it to me, as it took me a while to get it, but I thought I finally knew how this worked ;-) Fram (talk) 14:40, 29 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Other people won't work if we leave the disambiguation. The visual result is always to show the "(disambiguation)". So I think we re ok. I'll think it more tomorrow. -- Magioladitis (talk) 20:31, 29 October 2010 (UTC)
 * In fact I didn't remove it from the visual result only from the code. I used the main template of the series. If you are right Other people shouldn't exist at all! I am not sure what should we do. I don't like the idea of always replace Other people with Other people2 just to make disambiguation visible to wikicode too! -- Magioladitis (talk) 22:27, 29 October 2010 (UTC)

AWB Feature requests
I archived some of my old ones that are either completed or wont be. I also noticed several others that could probably be archived and left comments under them for your review. --Kumioko (talk) 04:38, 30 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Very good job! I am checking right now. -- Magioladitis (talk) 06:46, 30 October 2010 (UTC)

Honourific prefixes in officeholder infoboxes
I don't know if this is the right location to lodge this complaint in; but this bot frequently removes the line break between honourific prefixes and names in officeholder infoboxes. Indeed this can be seen presently in Alec Douglas-Home and Anthony Eden, though I have seen it in other places as well. is there a way to stop this from happening? -- Aricci526 05:05, 31 October 2010 (UTC)
 * I already stopped/fixed that. This is a 20-days-old edit. I fixed many of them but probably they are some left. Now I am excluding Infobox Officeholder and all its redirects from this fix. -- Magioladitis (talk) 05:09, 31 October 2010 (UTC)

Yobot edits
Hello, please could you tell me what the point is of edits like these ? I know your bot does a lot of good work, but those seem unnecessary. Thanks, -- Beloved Freak  09:57, 31 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Yes, you are right. I probably disactivated "Skip if only whitespace fixed" by mistake. This isn't what I usually do. -- Magioladitis (talk) 12:13, 31 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Ok, thanks. -- Beloved Freak  17:27, 2 November 2010 (UTC)

AWB & templates starting with acronyms in upper case
As an editor involved in prior discussions over AWB, templates and first letter casing please consider commenting on this discussion thread. Thanks Rjwilmsi  20:16, 1 November 2010 (UTC)

TB

 * - Kingpin13 (talk) 12:25, 2 November 2010 (UTC)

AWB and Wikiproject talk pages
I have tried repeatedly to us AWB to semi automatically add messages to the talk pages of US related wikiprojects and I cant seem to get it to function. Is there something special I need to do to edit the Talk pages of Wikiprojects? To give some background there are over 100 different projects related to US and currently if I want to add a comment to the talk page of one of them I have to do it manually one page at a time...its very timeconsuming. --Kumioko (talk) 20:31, 3 November 2010 (UTC)
 * Thanks for contacting but better ask Rjw about that. -- Magioladitis (talk) 11:44, 5 November 2010 (UTC)

Help needed for checking translations
Hello! Please have a look at this. We are currently in the process of compiling a worklist, but if you are willing to help, please let us know. I know it is onerous and tedious work, but any help, even for a couple of articles, would be appreciated. Constantine  ✍  22:33, 3 November 2010 (UTC)

Person Infoboxes
I've done my own version similar to your User:Magioladitis/Infoboxes page at User:WOSlinker/Infoboxes which shows all the parameter combinations. -- WOSlinker (talk) 21:49, 4 November 2010 (UTC)
 * That's just perfect. Let's work on your list. First aim would be to add birth_date support to all infoboxes. I have a bunch of ideas on merging infoboxes, updating some, etc. -- Magioladitis (talk) 11:14, 5 November 2010 (UTC)
 * I've added a tracking category (Category:Infobox person using deprecated parameters) to just Infobox person as a start and there are quite a few uses of the different formats for birth_date, even a few that don't work in Infobox person. Will need some AWB work to update them all. -- WOSlinker (talk) 11:53, 6 November 2010 (UTC)
 * Can you please add "location" as deprecated parameter too? -- Magioladitis (talk) 13:15, 6 November 2010 (UTC)
 * I've added the location param as a separate cat, Category:Infobox person using deprecated location parameter. -- WOSlinker (talk) 14:23, 6 November 2010 (UTC)


 * Couple of suggestions from experiance:
 * Using seperate categories for each parameter set can simplify things for clean up -you know exactly what you are looking for.
 * The "if" statements can be done in one line for sets like the DoB varients.
 * - J Greb (talk) 14:04, 6 November 2010 (UTC)
 * I've kept them separate by using the sortkey, but if it would help to have separate cats then I could do it. Let me know if you still think that would be better. -- WOSlinker (talk) 14:23, 6 November 2010 (UTC)

Also added Category:Infobox person using numbered parameter for infoboxes where the parameters aren't quite right as there is a param being passed over to the template. -- WOSlinker (talk) 14:27, 6 November 2010 (UTC)

Untitled
I dont know if you can help me, but I noted you edited Professor Stan Cohens page. This is completely out of left field for you,but I believe you have the mind to perhaps point me in a direction that I may not otherwise go.

This is sensitive information regarding the death of a woman. Jessica Gunhammar passed away as far as we can tell on Sept 6th 2010 She was scheduled to travel to Sweden. As of now we have no idea of what happened. She was living in the UK along with her twin sister Jennie Gunhammar who passed away in the prescense of Andrew Clinch in 2006. Andrew Clinch attached himself to Jessica after the death of her sister and by all reports was scheduled to join her in Sweden in late Aug. Andrew is an architect sole proprietor of Clinch Design Ltd. Prior to Jessica's death she told us his firm was doing well. On Aug 17th 2010 Clinch Design Ltd filed a winding up order..PSC 129 usually done prior to the dissolution of a company. Not usually done if your company is doing well. Jessica was due to come into some money..a settlement. None of her friends..some of 16 years or more were contacted about her passing for a memorial or any arrangements. Its a terrible thing but none of us can find out anything..I have used Maltego to try and find anything out...and come up empty. Andrew reportedly has a substance problem and we beleive he now has access to all of Jessica's artwork and may be involved with a sometime curator art salesperson. This is all I know right now...I am pretty certain the family in Sweden have little to no idea of Jessica's holdings in the UK. I am planning to talk to as many of her friends as I can find in the UK and Stan Cohen...which brings me to you..I saw a recent edit..and here I am

If nothing else thanks for listening...if you want the information I have in total please contact me via this page

Regards

Sunray —Preceding unsigned comment added by Sunray06 (talk • contribs) 21:09, 7 November 2010 (UTC)

I can't help with that. Sorry. -- Magioladitis (talk) 00:24, 8 November 2010 (UTC)

WPBiography priority parameter update custom module
You didn't give all the details I'd need to write it in full, but this should be about right. Rjwilmsi 19:49, 8 November 2010 (UTC)

Code moved in User:Yobot/Task 17.

Question about merging a template
I would like to submit a couple of template merger suggestions and I am not sure how to do it. Do you know where I would do that? There are 2 I have in mind:
 * 1) Merge and Tfm
 * 2) Largest cities of the United States and Largest Metropolitan Areas of the United States. --Kumioko (talk) 21:53, 9 November 2010 (UTC)
 * Since you added the merge tags, just start a discussion in the talk page. I suggest that you install WP:TWINKLE to help you in the future with TfDs. -- Magioladitis (talk) 00:22, 10 November 2010 (UTC)
 * Thanks. --Kumioko (talk) 01:08, 10 November 2010 (UTC)

Should Defaultsort be on talk pages?
I stumbled onto a dozen or so talk pages with Defaultsort and it seems strange to have that there. Is Defaultsort supposed to be on talk pages? --Kumioko (talk) 17:31, 10 November 2010 (UTC)
 * No, it's not. Better remove it and add listas. DEFAULTSORT was used in the past mainly. -- Magioladitis (talk) 21:51, 10 November 2010 (UTC)
 * Ok thanks Ill do that in the future. --Kumioko (talk) 06:15, 11 November 2010 (UTC)

WikiProject Category question
I noticed recently that most WikiProjects relating to the the US have quality categores that say something like Texas articles by X (where X = whatever class). Illinois however has the whole WikiProject Illinois articles by X. This seems counter to almost all others but I cant find anything saying you cant do it. Do you think if this needs to be chamnged to be more clear or should I just let that go? --Kumioko (talk) 14:29, 12 November 2010 (UTC)
 * Can you write me some examples, please? I don't quite understand the problem. -- Magioladitis (talk) 14:40, 12 November 2010 (UTC)


 * Out of about 1660 projects, their are 8 that use WikiProject in there category names. The rest don't. -- WOSlinker (talk) 14:43, 12 November 2010 (UTC)
 * Category:A-Class WikiProject Auckland articles
 * Category:A-Class WikiProject Business articles
 * Category:A-Class WikiProject Coventry articles
 * Category:A-Class WikiProject Earthquakes articles
 * Category:A-Class WikiProject Illinois articles
 * Category:A-Class WikiProject Seamounts articles
 * Category:A-Class WikiProject Tyne and Wear articles
 * Category:A-Class WikiProject Volcanoes articles

Then, I guess, we should rename the remaining 8 for standarisation purposes. -- Magioladitis (talk) 14:45, 12 November 2010 (UTC)
 * Thanks, I guess I wasnt all that clear in my question. --Kumioko (talk) 15:02, 12 November 2010 (UTC)
 * Just wondering but is that something we need to go to each project for or is that something we can just submit as a group and fix? --Kumioko (talk) 15:10, 12 November 2010 (UTC)
 * First leave a message to all 8 wikiprojects. I expect no objections. -- Magioladitis (talk) 15:53, 12 November 2010 (UTC)
 * Ok thanks. I will do that in the next couple hours. --Kumioko (talk) 16:04, 12 November 2010 (UTC)
 * Greeting WikiProject Auckland, it was noticed recently that your project was one of 8 out of about 1660 WikiProjects that preceed the assessment categories with WikiProject. All the rest just state only the subject (ex. Auckland vice WikiProject Auckland). In an effort to standardize the assessment categories and make it easier to identify the scope of articles we would like to change the assessment categories of your project from WikiProject Auckland to simply Auckland to be in-line with all the others. Before doing this we would like your input on this change to ensure that it meets the consensus of your project. --Kumioko (talk) 16:11, 12 November 2010 (UTC)
 * It should do it. Nice message. Go for it. -- Magioladitis (talk) 16:25, 12 November 2010 (UTC)
 * Thanks Ill get that done in the next few minutes. I might need some help fixing the cats when the time comes though Ive never done that before. --Kumioko (talk) 16:33, 12 November 2010 (UTC)


 * There's 3 more I missed from eariler. -- WOSlinker (talk) 16:45, 12 November 2010 (UTC)
 * Category:A-Class WikiProject East Asia articles
 * Category:A-Class WikiProject North America articles
 * Category:A-Class WikiProject Warwickshire articles
 * All done. A couple notes:
 * WikiProject Auckland is Inactive
 * 1 project was Semi active
 * WikiProject Tyne and Wear redirects to WikiProject North east England so I suggested changing the cat to North East England to both eliminate the redirect and clarify the scope of the projects so yanks like me will know what it is (Been all over the world myself and I didnt know where or what Tyne and Wear was).
 * I started each individually so they will pass or fail on their own merits rather than no because project X said no. If they say no fine but they should decide on their own IMO not make decisions off what some other project does or doesn't want to do. --Kumioko (talk) 17:09, 12 November 2010 (UTC)

Yobot trivial edit
I can't see why Yobot savd this edit. Bypassing redirects and sorting interwikis aren't bot tasks on their own. &mdash; Carl (CBM · talk) 00:17, 13 November 2010 (UTC)
 * The page has multiple references, it is reported on WP:CHECKWIKI but AWB failed to merge them due to restrictions to its logic. -- Magioladitis (talk) 00:19, 13 November 2010 (UTC)

I forgot to activate skip options. I'll keep notes for every checkwiki error separately to avoid this problem in the next run. Thanks for reporting. -- Magioladitis (talk) 00:26, 13 November 2010 (UTC)

Yobot Pre-Code Hollywood
See "Prince" ref that was altered: Page number was changed. Not sure what happened. I fixed it but thought you should know. AaronY (talk) 01:23, 13 November 2010 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the report. I 'll give it a look. -- Magioladitis (talk) 01:29, 13 November 2010 (UTC)
 * Page number was NOT changed. The article had   and then later   i.e. two identical references so AWB assigned the reference name to the second one. The problem is likely the confusion between 30 in the name and 31 in the text. This existed before the AWB edit. AaronY your 'corrective' edit did not change the display of any page numbers in the article. Rjwilmsi  09:00, 13 November 2010 (UTC)
 * Ok, so either I named the ref wrong, or used the wrong page number. I'll have to look at the source again. Thanks. AaronY (talk) 12:39, 13 November 2010 (UTC)

Barber's pole
Dear Magioladitis, I hope you are doing well. Haven't spoke to you in a long time. I would appreciate it if you would take a look at this article. Maybe you could tweak up the citations (form). I have just posted a rather neat "hook" for a WP:DYK (tallest barber pole), although trying to get this to qualify as being "expanded" may be somewhat difficult. Any suggestions or help you might offer would be sincerely appreciated. Best to you. 7&amp;6=thirteen (talk) 00:48, 14 November 2010 (UTC) Stan
 * Just in case you didn't see it, I had posted an inuse notice at the top of the article. Your lone edit to the article was reverted when I saved in the edit conflict you created. The substance of that edit was retained in the end because I was actively editing all of the references to fix the templates and information in them. I posted the template for the very reason to avoid further edit conflicts in the article. <span style="background:#006B54; padding:2px; font-family: Arial, sans-serif;" > Imzadi  1979   →  22:01, 14 November 2010 (UTC)
 * Sorry for that. -- Magioladitis (talk) 22:07, 14 November 2010 (UTC)

Template redirects for talk pages
Does the template redirect page work for the templates on talk pages as well? --Kumioko (talk) 18:52, 14 November 2010 (UTC)
 * No, unfortunately it doesn't. -- Magioladitis (talk) 18:56, 14 November 2010 (UTC)
 * Oh ok thanks, well in that case is there any chance that it might in the future (even of the current templates listed are on a talk page they still should be fixed IMO) and has anyone built a complete list of the projects and their redirects yet. I have about 75 but I don't have nearly all of the 1660ish projects. --Kumioko (talk) 19:07, 14 November 2010 (UTC)
 * I have a list made by Rich. We have to unite our lists: You, me, Rich and xeno :) -- Magioladitis (talk) 19:18, 14 November 2010 (UTC)
 * Thats a great idea. Any suggestions for a place to start? --Kumioko (talk) 19:32, 14 November 2010 (UTC)
 * I forgot to ask. Can I get a copy of that list? --Kumioko (talk) 22:05, 14 November 2010 (UTC)
 * I asked Rich for a list. Let's wait till tomorrow. -- Magioladitis (talk) 22:10, 14 November 2010 (UTC)
 * I sent you my list by email. Enjoy! -- Magioladitis (talk) 22:13, 14 November 2010 (UTC)
 * Thansk much. --Kumioko (talk) 22:15, 14 November 2010 (UTC)
 * I wanted to let you know I responded to the comments you left on my talk page. Also, I noticed a couple things on that list you sent me from Rich.
 * There are quite a few F&R's that change to redirects (such as GeorgiaUS vice Georgia (U.S. state)).
 * There are also quite a few redirects missing (and a few projects such as trains, Biography, Milhist and LGBT studies to name a few). I agree that for things like the WPBS logic we should only support the projects that use the WikiProject format but for something like this I think we should include the WPBIO and WPMILHIST redirects to their preferred title. With the Sheer volume of articles under these 2 by not supporting them to some degree IMO were just contributing to an Us against them mentality.
 * I think that the edits should be set to minor. Personally, I would rather just do it as a bot edit and be done with it (if we mind the pennies the dollars will mind themselves so to speak) but I think that the general consensus will be not do it as a minor edit alone. Not trying to nitpick just thought I would give my 2 cents. --Kumioko (talk) 02:06, 15 November 2010 (UTC)
 * I applied for a task that will enable us to refactor WPBiography in total and make as many general fixes in talk pages as possible. -- Magioladitis (talk) 02:23, 15 November 2010 (UTC)

Great, good luck. --Kumioko (talk) 02:24, 15 November 2010 (UTC)
 * I updated some more of the logic for the WikiProject Banner cleanup here. A summery of some of the changes:

Please let me know if you have any questions or suggestions. --Kumioko (talk) 18:24, 21 November 2010 (UTC)
 * 1) More projects added
 * 2) Some projects disabled that didn't have any redirects
 * 3) disabled some that dont appear to be valid.
 * 4) Added some other talk related templates.
 * Thanks for the constant work Kumioko! -- Magioladitis (talk) 23:04, 28 November 2010 (UTC)

Banner template redirects for talk pages
Updated version at User:Rich Farmbrough/temp17.


 * Note: needs checking for any oddities caused by strange punctuation.


 * Note that it was strongly argues at Roads, and less strongly at MILHIST and Biography that the reason not to make the move was that the redirect was already there. Arguably this is a validates using the standard from redirect. To to this simply edit the appropriate rule.

Rich Farmbrough, 03:08, 15 November 2010 (UTC).


 * Thanks. -- Magioladitis (talk) 11:16, 15 November 2010 (UTC)

Sixteen months ago Martin put two examples of collapsed Banner Shells on my talk page to determine my preference. Within the shells were YearsProject, ChristianityWikiProject and WikiProject Time. Each of the templates has the value of category set to "no" so that my talk page was not categorized. Yobot came along and changed the names of the first two templates to WikiProject Years and WikiProject Christianity. This did not affect the rendering of the page, even if the shells are de-collapsed as the names of the projects have not changed.

The arguments in favor of making these changes include making it possible for a reader to editors to recognize project banners. The other arguments do not apply. This change is an insult to my intelligence, therefore a personal attack on me by Yobot's programmer and has been undone as vandalism for that reason.

Please do not run versions with known bugs and do not run versions that affect users' talk pages. JimCubb (talk) 21:38, 16 November 2010 (UTC)
 * Vandalism -- Magioladitis (talk) 21:48, 16 November 2010 (UTC)

Okay. Nice completely unresponsive answer but the edit was not necessary and, as it questions my ability to recognize a project banner, insults my intelligence. JimCubb (talk) 22:13, 16 November 2010 (UTC)
 * Sorry. I had to exclude all non talk article space. In fact I thought it's done automatically since talkpage genfixes work only in talk article space. I'll check what went wrong. -- Magioladitis (talk) 22:44, 16 November 2010 (UTC)

AmusementParkProject, still not handled. -- Magioladitis (talk) 14:31, 17 November 2010 (UTC)
 * I just added it and its redirects. --Kumioko (talk) 16:10, 17 November 2010 (UTC)
 * Im also in the process of adding some more but I probably wont have it out there till later tonight. Im drafting it in notepad so I can just do a bunch at once rather than nickle and dime them. I am also going through Database reports/WikiProjects by changes to add any of the missing ones from this list since these are the most used. I have found several in the top 50 or so that weren't on the list. --Kumioko (talk) 16:22, 17 November 2010 (UTC)
 * That's nice. I am downloading the new code right now! Thanks. -- Magioladitis (talk) 21:08, 21 November 2010 (UTC)

Small Yobot quibble
I was wondering why Yobot replaced one template redirect with another at Luc Bordon's article. The edit note suggests that was correctly replaced with, then changed it again to. The middle template is the correct one, so I am not sure why it made a second change. Not a big issue though, just curious. Cheers! Resolute 00:33, 17 November 2010 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the report. I used a ready list made by Rich. I bet a lot of people check my talk page and soon I 'll have an updated list. -- Magioladitis (talk) 00:41, 17 November 2010 (UTC)
 * This emphasizes the need for us to share in the maintenance of these talk page F&R's. I have made a ton of changes to the one I got from rich (added some missing projects, added some redirects, changed some of the destinations to non redirects, etc.) but they are only in my list and you have undoubtedly made some tweaks to your list as well. If we were all doing this in a central place we could all gain value from the changes we find or are presented to us by other users.--Kumioko (talk) 01:00, 17 November 2010 (UTC)
 * Just post all the replacements in a subpage and leave a note to me, Rich and xeno where this subpage is so we can all update. -- Magioladitis (talk) 01:06, 17 November 2010 (UTC)
 * I can do that but I think Rich derives the list with some automated process script he setup so Im not sure that will fix the problem. --Kumioko (talk) 01:37, 17 November 2010 (UTC)
 * As soon he is informed an up-to-date list exists, eh can choose to use it or use his own. I just any list that the targets are the right templates. I don't care to cover all cases because this would slow me down. -- Magioladitis (talk) 01:44, 17 November 2010 (UTC)
 * Fair enough, I created a page under my user namespace and left a comment on Rich's page if you want to take a look. --Kumioko (talk) 04:25, 17 November 2010 (UTC)
 * I updated my list using yours. -- Magioladitis (talk) 13:52, 17 November 2010 (UTC)

math banner
I should explain why the math project's template is not named "WikiProject Mathematics". The point is that we do not use that template simply to mark mathematics articles. We already have a List of mathematics articles that does not require any talk page tags. The only purpose of the ratings template is to assign article rating information. Many other projects do use their templates just to mark articles, without worrying about the rating info. So the word "rating" in the name of our template helps remind people that it is a rating template, not just a tag to say that an article is related to mathematics. &mdash; Carl (CBM · talk) 04:29, 17 November 2010 (UTC)

BY the way, I just ran into this bug in Yobot, I don't know if it has been fixed. . &mdash; Carl (CBM · talk) 04:34, 17 November 2010 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the explanation and the bug report. Yes, it has been fixed. I now use a custom module/script instead of Find&Replace to avoid these mistakes. The new edit summaries look like: "Tagging, Set WPBiography work group priorities: filmbio,". Amongst others the work group that was fixed is shown. -- Magioladitis (talk) 09:04, 17 November 2010 (UTC)
 * OK, great. I only saw two pages affected by it, I just wanted to point it out in case you nobody else had. &mdash; Carl (CBM · talk) 12:30, 17 November 2010 (UTC)

Deadend tag removed by Yobot
Hi, Yobot removed a deadend tag from David Pearl (businessman) even though there are no internal links outside the infobox. I have reinstated it; can you fine-tune the bot to require a few more links before removing that tag, please? - Fayenatic (talk) 18:04, 17 November 2010 (UTC)
 * There is a wikify tag in the page, making dead end redundant in this case. -- Magioladitis (talk) 23:30, 17 November 2010 (UTC)

AWB logic change
I noticed RJ did a logic change (SVN 7404) to delete blp when wpbiograph was present. I asked for another change on his talk page and he asked that I contact you for your input. Would you mind taking a glance at the suggestion I left and see what you think. If you want me to add it on the AWB FR page just let me know and will do. --Kumioko (talk) 20:17, 17 November 2010 (UTC)

Yobot issue
Yobot recently edited the Talk:Hans Multhopp, saying it was removing the needs-persondata tag, and changing "WikiProject Biography" to "WPBiography". Well, the former wasn't actually done, and the latter somehow broke the template syntax: see here. Thought you might want to know. - The Bushranger Return fire Flank speed 02:18, 18 November 2010 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the report! I fixed all 5 errors. I did a last minute addition due to the recent (less than an hour ago) renaming of WPbiography, in order not to interrupt my session and I introduced a minor typo. Problem resolved now. Thanks again. -- Magioladitis (talk) 02:24, 18 November 2010 (UTC)
 * Wow, thats awesome. Not sure what made them change thier mind but Im glad. WikiProject Biography was added to the list of WP banner fixes. Ill update the talk page edit page in shortly. --Kumioko (talk) 02:31, 18 November 2010 (UTC)

Determination of usage needed for the BLP unsourced template
Based on the comments on my talk page and some things I have observed I started a policy clarification discussion regarding the use of the BLP unsourced template at Village pump (policy). --Kumioko (talk) 20:15, 19 November 2010 (UTC)

Date of birth and Persondata
Hi, Magioladitis

I've noticed Yobot sometimes adds date of birth to the persondata template in short date format (yyyy/mm/dd) instead of long date format (Month DD, YYYY or DD Month YYYY). Is there a reason why that happens? --John KB (talk) 15:32, 20 November 2010 (UTC)
 * I believe its because AWB uses the predominant date format of the article. --Kumioko (talk) 15:34, 20 November 2010 (UTC)
 * Usually it's because of the "use dmy" template or something. -- Magioladitis (talk) 15:36, 20 November 2010 (UTC)
 * No, that's not the question Kumioko. Let me clarify. Instead of adding March 13, 1980 (long date format), it adds 1980-03-13 (short date format). Why does that happen, Magioladitis? --John KB (talk) 15:42, 20 November 2010 (UTC)
 * I answered to you. Some template forces Yobot/AWB to use one format or the other. Default format is the long one. -- Magioladitis (talk) 15:48, 20 November 2010 (UTC)
 * So there's nothing you can do. It has to be fixed manually, right? Change it from 1980-03-13 to March 13, 1980 (or 13 March 1980). --John KB (talk) 15:52, 20 November 2010 (UTC)
 * Nothing I can do. Sorry. Take note that User:RjwilmsiBot adds Persondata with the same method in thousands of pages every day. Yobot did it only in few. We are planning a second run so instead of doing something manually you can start a discussion instead and you ll probbly be more successful. -- Magioladitis (talk) 15:56, 20 November 2010 (UTC)
 * NEWSFLASH: Per Rjwilmsi, who programmed the whole thing, short format means that there are "not enough international or American dates to know which of those to use, so fallback can be ISO. If there were a use dmy dates template it would be followed". -- Magioladitis (talk) 15:58, 20 November 2010 (UTC)
 * Will let Rjwilmsi know about this. Thanks, Magioladitis. --John KB (talk) 16:00, 20 November 2010 (UTC)

Yobot adding redundant templates
Erik Shaw includes multiple issues with the "orphan" parameter but Yobot keeps adding orphan to the page. --AussieLegend (talk) 10:07, 21 November 2010 (UTC)
 * Multiple issues was improperly closed. Found it and fixed it. -- Magioladitis (talk) 11:16, 21 November 2010 (UTC)

Die Sendung mit der Maus "correction"
Hi, I'm not sure why the bot capitalized "Mit Der" in the "DEFAULTSORT" but the title of the program correctly has lower case initials for those two words. I don't know if the "correction" was necessary from a database point of view, but from an accuracy point of view, the title was correct before and now it is wrong. Marrante (talk) 15:22, 21 November 2010 (UTC)
 * Hi. Every first letter of each word must be capitalised in DEFAULTSORT. -- Magioladitis (talk) 15:23, 21 November 2010 (UTC)
 * Thank you. Marrante (talk) 15:25, 21 November 2010 (UTC)

Queer changes by Yobot
Hello Magioladitis, I found this change made by Yobot about 2 months ago that messed up the defaultsort and added persondata to a non-biographical article. They were fixed by me and another editor today. May you please make sure this isn't still going on? Thanks, Airplaneman   ✈  02:43, 22 November 2010 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the report. Since then we improved the criteria a lot. This one was in the very beginning when we firstly introduced the method. Thanks fore reporting again. -- Magioladitis (talk) 07:55, 22 November 2010 (UTC)

Mário João
Hello! Do you know the full name of this Portuguese football player? Many sources adfirm Mário Rodrigues João, while other ones state only Mário João. If you know something more, plese, write me here. --VAN ZANT (talk) 10:24, 23 November 2010 (UTC)
 * I've no idea. Sorry. -- Magioladitis (talk) 10:34, 23 November 2010 (UTC)

Unusual edit by Yobot
You may not have noticed or intended this, but this edit by Yobot added four identical cleanup templates. I have removed three of them, effectively cleaning up the cleanup templates. The bot software should be modified to prevent such an error from happening in the future. Thanks, Nat682 (talk) 04:39, 24 November 2010 (UTC)
 * I never encountered something like that before. I 'll have a look. -- Magioladitis (talk) 08:04, 24 November 2010 (UTC)
 * Hm.. the correct was to modify Cleanup to Cleanup section I guess but then we have a problem if someone adds cleanup to the last section (i.e. the bottom) instead to the top. -- Magioladitis (talk) 08:07, 24 November 2010 (UTC)

Pokémon template change
Yobot just changed PCP to WikiProject Pok on a few talkpages. This happens because the é breaks what it is doing, and it cuts off the name. This happened a few weeks ago(idk if it was this this Yobot or some other bot) Is there a way to change it to where it stops changing it? It goes from one redirect to another. That doesn't solve anything. <sub style="color:#00008B;">Blake (Talk·Edits) 02:37, 25 November 2010 (UTC)
 * I was going to wait till I had more done but after reading this I just updated the code in the usual place. I think I fixed the coding to account for the diacratics on this project as well as several others but you might want to double check it. As before I added several, fixed some to not be redirects, added additional redirects to others and I also deleted about ten. I have about 3/4ths done but I have some of ones I have left have quite a few redirects so it may take a few days to finish. After that we just need to add the missing ones and tweak the logic as issues arrive (which shoudl be minimal). In the mean time, until I can finish going through them it might be advisable to disable the ones without a comment. Also, I think for the next release Ill shoot it to you on an EMAIL. Its already hitting 500k and by the time Im done will likely exceed 750k. Too big in my opinion to keep updating via wiki unless I split it. I am also considering converting it into a module using C# but Im not going to mess with that till I get done culling the list. --Kumioko (talk) 04:31, 25 November 2010 (UTC)

Fixed all 19 pages. I'll update my Find&Replace list. Thanks for the report. -- Magioladitis (talk) 07:39, 25 November 2010 (UTC)
 * Cleaned all redirects. We won't have to worry for old F&R versions anymore. -- Magioladitis (talk) 09:03, 25 November 2010 (UTC)
 * Holy fudge nuggets. I came on this morning and had like 30 "Fix, replaced: {Pokeproject| → {WikiProject Pokémon| using AWB"'s in my watchlist. Thanks I guess. <sub style="color:#00008B;">Blake (Talk·Edits) 14:12, 25 November 2010 (UTC)
 * Are you telling me there is no need to go through the rest that you found a better way or where you referring to the Pokemon problem? --Kumioko (talk) 16:29, 25 November 2010 (UTC)
 * I just replaced everything with WikiProject Pokémon. -- Magioladitis (talk) 16:39, 25 November 2010 (UTC)
 * Ik thanks, I keep scrubbing the list. --Kumioko (talk) 16:47, 25 November 2010 (UTC)
 * I just noticed theres a problem with the most recent update. I didnt know this but apparently there is a 500K limit on page size so when I did the last update it only went to 500K and then stopped so everything after U.S. is missing. Ill EMAIL you the update a little later. I just wanted to give you a heads up. --Kumioko (talk) 20:59, 25 November 2010 (UTC)
 * I resent the update via EMAIL including a couple dozen more fixes since the last one. Down to about 150 now. --Kumioko (talk) 04:53, 26 November 2010 (UTC)
 * Thanks! -- Magioladitis (talk) 08:13, 26 November 2010 (UTC)
 * Your welcome. What did you do for regex to recognize the Diacratic for Pokemon. I used \ as though it were punctuation but its throwing an error and although I have tried a bunch of different things cannot get it to recognize these special characters. --Kumioko (talk) 15:13, 26 November 2010 (UTC)
 * I used normal F&R without regex. Please, tell me if they are other potential errors caused by special characters to prevent future messages. Thanks. -- Magioladitis (talk) 15:21, 26 November 2010 (UTC)

I will but Im talking about the file I just sent. When I try and run it the message says "Unrecognized escape sequence \é". I just disabled it after I tried a bunch of different things but I couldnt get it to work. This problem only appears for the diacratic e in pokemon and a in Bahai. Do you know what I need to use besides the \? --Kumioko (talk) 15:32, 26 November 2010 (UTC)
 * Nevermind I see what you mean know, I didnt see the normal thing. --Kumioko (talk) 15:34, 26 November 2010 (UTC)

Yobot and WikiProject World
What's up with Yobot? There's no such thing as WikiProject World which Yobot insists on adding, replacing an actual real wikiproject WikiProjectWOP

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Last_North_American_veterans_by_war&action=historysubmit&diff=397878333&oldid=397458767

76.66.194.212 (talk) 06:45, 26 November 2010 (UTC)
 * Same problem as above. It is caused by apostrophe in "WikiProject World's Oldest People". Fixed all transclusions of the template. Thanks for the report. -- Magioladitis (talk) 08:16, 26 November 2010 (UTC)

Yobot Blanking talk pages
I have seen many edits where Yobot, leaving the summary of "Removing obsolete Wildbot tags + Cleaning banners" blanks a talkpage entirely. As far as I know, talk pages should be deleted if they only contain Wildbot tags which are no longer needed, and they should never be blanked. Perhaps your bot could tag them for deletion if they consist only of a Wildbot tag. Examples of this behavior:. These are just articles from my watchlist, so I assume there are many more with this problem. of the 8 on my watchlist with this edit summary, only 3 were good (Not page blankings). --Fiftytwo thirty (talk) 14:47, 26 November 2010 (UTC)
 * I noticed the problem myself and deleted a couple of pages. In the past I initiated a discussion about that and agree with you but some people had disagreements with the deletion. Can you please add your request to WP:BOTREQ? There we ll see if they are disagreements on that and if not we 'll find an admin bot to delete the empty pages or probably someone could provide me the list and I could do it. -- Magioladitis (talk) 14:54, 26 November 2010 (UTC)
 * Belatedly added to BOTREQ. --Fiftytwo thirty (talk) 22:02, 1 December 2010 (UTC)
 * Thanks. -- Magioladitis (talk) 22:18, 1 December 2010 (UTC)

Cancelling acting careers
Why is Yobot changing info boxes of actors (as per article text) from "actor" type to "person" such as here and here and here lately? Doesn't that damage the project? SergeWoodzing (talk) 14:41, 27 November 2010 (UTC)
 * Infobox actor is now a redirect to infobox person. All extra parameters (awards, notable roles, etc.) have been removed. We have other ways to detect actors than the infobox (categories for example). -- Magioladitis (talk) 15:09, 27 November 2010 (UTC)
 * I don't understand. Are you saying that it is correct to change infobox actor to infobox person for all biographies of actors and actresses? Are you against the fact then, that we have an infobox actor - or what do you feel it should be used for? SergeWoodzing (talk) 02:02, 16 December 2010 (UTC)
 * We don't have an Infobox actor anymore. We have Infobox person and Infobox actor is a redirect of it. We didn't delete Infobox actor and instead we just converted to redirect so that older revisions are still compatible. There is no visual difference between the two names. So, I say clearly: USe Infobox person for all biographies of actors as you would do for any other profession. -- Magioladitis (talk) 02:43, 16 December 2010 (UTC)
 * But there is no longer any reason then to make those changes by bot or by hand? Are all infoboxes by profession being discontinued? SergeWoodzing (talk) 02:53, 16 December 2010 (UTC)
 * We try to standardise infoboxes. You can check what exists in User:WOSlinker/Infoboxes. AWB is slowly changing all Infobox actor to Infobox person but don't expect any changes in the visual result. This has be done already. -- Magioladitis (talk) 02:58, 16 December 2010 (UTC)

WPBS glitch
I just noticed that you removed the bug I reported where AWB isnt adding the banner shell. Sorry I didnt get back with a better example but it seems like most of the time its due to AWB not recognizing WPMILHIST so I just creating my own logic that does it because a lot of the articles I was skipping had several banners but it wouldn't register because of that one. --Kumioko (talk) 23:00, 28 November 2010 (UTC)

Thanks for the quick action
Thanks for the quick action on those redirects. Just thought I would do a little housecleaning as I went through them. --Kumioko (talk) 00:42, 29 November 2010 (UTC)
 * My pleasure. I was reading some stuff in RfDs page when I noticed your RfDs coming. -- Magioladitis (talk) 00:46, 29 November 2010 (UTC)
 * Just a warning but there are likely to be quite a few more but I am going to try and trickle them in a few at a time so I dont overwhelm the deletion pages. I am far from being a deletionist but there seems to be a lot of unneeded clutter in reference to the Banner templates. Know that we have the start of a solid list of the banner templates and the redirects I am going to start trimming away at some of the unlikely scenarios and improper names that seem to have been built. The less complex we can make the code, in theory, the faster it should run. I have about 1200 WikiProjects on the list and most have at least 3 redirects, some ten or more. --Kumioko (talk) 03:50, 29 November 2010 (UTC)

A possible bot task for someone
I recently noticed (quite on accident actually) that there seem to be a lot of double redirects relating to the banner templates ( even found 1 triple). I have fixed a couple but have found it to be quite a painstaking process. I know there is a bot (a couple of them probably) that fixes double redirects in articles but I was wondering if there were any for templates? --Kumioko (talk) 03:43, 29 November 2010 (UTC)

SmackBot smackdown
FYI, I've added SmackBot and Yobot's current edit war at Human hair growth to WP:LAME. —Angr (talk) 14:24, 29 November 2010 (UTC)
 * LOL. -- Magioladitis (talk) 14:38, 29 November 2010 (UTC)

AWB and blank lines
The purpose of 2 blank lines before stubs is a layout issue. I rather think that DEFAULTSORT creates a blank line, making too much blank space before some stub tags. Certainly there was some kind of problem worth looking at here. Rich Farmbrough, 16:58, 29 November 2010 (UTC).


 * What we have to do then? Do you have any change to suggest to AWB's current code? -- Magioladitis (talk) 19:33, 29 November 2010 (UTC)
 * I'm not certain, it seems that counting the displayed "blank lines" is the thing to do and then make sure that there is exactly one between the last displayed element and the stub. Of course this might lead to some "version fighting", but we can roll with that. There is also a question of the planned css change to deal with this - I don't know what happened about that. Rich Farmbrough, 15:59, 4 December 2010 (UTC).

Hm I looked at a sample article Vicente de Paula Neto and it seems I was wrong. Taking out all the surplus space gives what looks like enough space to me - one more line looks like too much. Maybe the problem only arises with big icons in the stub template. Rich Farmbrough, 16:45, 4 December 2010 (UTC).

Wikiproject Templates
Hi, can you point me to a consensus decision which states that abbreviated WikiProject template names should be expanded to ? I am part of an assessment drive for WikiProject New Zealand (note that our project page instructs that the WPNZ form should be used) and the expansions are definitely proving counterproductive:
 * It slows down assessment, as WPNZ is much easier to locate than an expanded template when there are three or more templates
 * On at least two occasions I've tagged the wrong project and had to go back and fix it.

The argument (on the bot FAQ) that it is less confusing to new members is specious - no one, experienced or not, should be going directly to edit the projects section of a talk page without first having viewed the talk page.

A task which would actually be helpful would be to add |importance= parameter to WPNZ tags where it is missing (and delete any priority paremeters). dramatic (talk) 20:44, 29 November 2010 (UTC)


 * The whole point of WP:STANDARDIZE is exactly to make all wikiproject banners easier to add/modify without forcing editors to get familiar with special rules and exceptions. Tools like AWB can identify wikiproject banners by their name if the wikiproject foo scheme is followed. This enable AWB to reorganise templates following various guidelines. Bots can do various fixes easier if they don't have to load huge lists of all possible names. Newbies can recognise wikiproject easier. Based on this, WP:STANDARDIZE was created and various bots, including Yobot, got approval to bypass redirects of wikiproject banners to the standard wikiproject foo name. Please consider these arguments.
 * I can help with the task. Do you waant empty importance parameter in case it doesn't exist? -- Magioladitis (talk) 21:07, 29 November 2010 (UTC)
 * Yes please. I will go and argue my case at WP:Standardize. Do you have any examples of the maintenance a bot might have to recognise a Wikiproject tag for? Once an unassessed project tag is placed on an article, it would seem to mainly need human maintenance, so I think the needs of humans should come first. dramatic (talk) 22:40, 29 November 2010 (UTC)
 * AWB does two kind of changes:
 * If WPBiography is about a living person it places the banner above any wikiproject foo to ensure that the blp tag gets a top billing.
 * If talk pages has 3 or more wikiproject foo banners, it adds WikiProjectBannerShell to ensure easier reading. -- Magioladitis (talk) 22:54, 29 November 2010 (UTC)


 * If I may, I also look for things like having 2 of the same banner, talk header, skip to talk and a couple others. (and deleting one). I also look for certain empty parameters and delete them, I rearrange some of the talk page templates so they are in the proper order per WP:TPL and a few other things, all of which are much easier if I only have to look for WikiProject X. --Kumioko (talk) 03:48, 30 November 2010 (UTC)
 * Another good example is any automated comparison of project rating, inheriting ratings. So a new project might wish to inherit "class" from existing projects, much easier to be able to say check for any "WikiProject " templates with a class parameter, than to have to compare with a (constantly changing) list of thousands of templates. Rich Farmbrough, 16:09, 4 December 2010 (UTC).
 * Another good example is any automated comparison of project rating, inheriting ratings. So a new project might wish to inherit "class" from existing projects, much easier to be able to say check for any "WikiProject " templates with a class parameter, than to have to compare with a (constantly changing) list of thousands of templates. Rich Farmbrough, 16:09, 4 December 2010 (UTC).

Deletion of redirect Democrat_Party_(phrase
a) its not recently created as it has traffic statistics going back as far as December 2007.

b) It does seem to be of reasonable usage - with 74 people using it in October 2010 alone.

Additionally missing of the final bracket hardly seems implausible. It was definitely not worth of speedy deletion on those grounds. -- Eraserhead1 &lt;talk&gt; 22:18, 29 November 2010 (UTC)
 * I participated myself in many RfDs in the past on redirects with missing brackets. They all were deleted. I guess page was used because it appears before Democrat_Party_(phrase) in the search box. Do you think I have to undelete it and resume the discussion? -- Magioladitis (talk) 22:52, 29 November 2010 (UTC)
 * In which case delete it. -- Eraserhead1 &lt;talk&gt; 22:56, 29 November 2010 (UTC)

Economic policy of the Barack Obama administration
I attempted to add a couple banners to the above article only to find it had been restricted. I understand it being uneditable but it should be visible IMO. You cant even see the banners. Is there anyway you can change this to at least see the talk page even if its locked to editing by administrators? --Kumioko (talk) 03:45, 30 November 2010 (UTC)
 * Suggest you re-try, there's no protection on that page (or talk page) that I can see. Rich Farmbrough, 16:04, 4 December 2010 (UTC).

Because You Left/Dr. Candle.
Hello there Magioladitis. I was wondering if I could get your help with the Because You Left page. An IP keeps adding the fact that Chang calls himself Dr. Candle. I could've sworn we decided to not have that listed as it was of no use in that particular article. However, after being told of this through the talk page and edit summaries, the IP doesn't seem to listen. Could you perhaps weigh in? Thanks. --HELLØ   ŦHERE 15:06, 4 December 2010 (UTC)
 * Semi-protected for a week. Let's see. --Magioladitis (talk) 11:09, 5 December 2010 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the semi-protection. I am wondering though, with the latest comments the IP has made on the talk page, is there anything else that can be done? Or should we wait and see if the IP re-adds? Again, thanks for helping out. --HELLØ    ŦHERE 21:05, 9 December 2010 (UTC)

Possible new logic edit for AWB
As I work more with talk pages I have noticed that there are some pages that have an invalid class that I think AWB would be well suited to handle. I know that not many folks deal with them but I have found quite a lot of Categories, templates, redirects and disambiguations. It seems that a lot of the articles that have banners have assessments of start, stub, (blank), etc but I believe they should actually be equal to the name space they are in (category, template, etc). Also many of these articles have an importance/priority of something other than NA when NA should be present. Is this something that could be added to AWB. Since this deals with areas where virtually knowone edits I thought I would ask here vice the AWB page in case it is a particularly stupid idea. :-). Thanks --Kumioko (talk) 04:13, 5 December 2010 (UTC)
 * Are you sure that none of the wikiprojects assess these namespaces? My suggestion: Ask some projects of what they think and if they find the idea of a bot running to fix these priority/class problems. Then you probably have to ask for your own bot :) If we reduce the current number of bad templates and we notice that goes up again then we can add this to AWB too. It's the same question again: AWB or bot? In the areas I am not sure about eh false positives I always think a bot would be a better idea as a first step. Moreover, with this way we don't have to worry for increasing AWB's running time. --Magioladitis (talk) 11:14, 5 December 2010 (UTC)
 * Thanks, Ill ask some of the projects but it seems the guidance in general for assessments is that things like Category, redirect and template dont have anything to assess. How would you assess as it? The stuff for deletion folks are definately learning my name...lol. Ive still got a pretty good list of stuff too so they havent seen the last of me. My belief is if we can trim out some of the crap that's redunant or uneeded the rest will become more apparent. Ive seen cases where consensus passes a change to some formatting or standard and then we go out and modify the thing (template or whatever) for that change and nothing has used it and knowone has edited it since the last time a formatting or standardization change was made. Its silly and a bit of a waste of time. Some of the WikiProjects are like that (some of them are on my list to get eliminated as well BTW). --Kumioko (talk) 23:47, 5 December 2010 (UTC)
 * I submitted it to the Village pump under policy and then dropped notes on the talk pages of several of the more active projects. I will add it to some more later. --Kumioko (talk) 03:42, 6 December 2010 (UTC)

Yobot edit on Overhead crane
The bot shouldn't be deleting human-entered text, even if it is only in a footnote. Rightly or wrongly, it was put there for a reason. If the text is wrong (and it may be) please bring it up on the article talk page. --Old Moonraker (talk) 23:07, 8 December 2010 (UTC)
 * Per Cite book "language: The language the book is written in, if it is not English" (bold is mine). -- Magioladitis (talk) 23:22, 8 December 2010 (UTC)
 * Human edit, with explanation, is completely acceptable. Thanks. --Old Moonraker (talk) 23:25, 8 December 2010 (UTC)
 * No problem. I'll try to update the AWB manual. Thanks for the heads up. -- Magioladitis (talk) 23:27, 8 December 2010 (UTC)
 * I updated the manual. -- Magioladitis (talk) 23:41, 8 December 2010 (UTC)

Yobot changing Unreferenced to Refimprove
In this edit, at line 190, Yobot changed my Unreferenced|section template to Refimprove|section. But the section in question has no references at all. Why has Yobot done this? --Stfg (talk) 10:12, 9 December 2010 (UTC)
 * I fixed it. Can you please use Unreferenced section in the future? -- Magioladitis (talk) 12:20, 9 December 2010 (UTC)
 * Note to myself: Problem occurred because of the use of the capital "S" in "Section". -- Magioladitis (talk) 12:28, 9 December 2010 (UTC)
 * Many thanks. Apologies for getting it wrong in the first place. I'll try to remember to use Unreferenced section in future. --Stfg (talk) 13:48, 9 December 2010 (UTC)
 * No problem. Unreferenced|section is normally converted to Unreferenced section before the Refimprove check but in your case Section was with capital "S" which is really rare. Thanks for the report. -- Magioladitis (talk) 14:02, 9 December 2010 (UTC)

Talk page template cleanup
I wanted to let you know that I am almost done going through the banners. I should wrap it up in the next couple days. Also, due to the number of templates and changes I am attempting to make to cleanup talk pages I am runnning into troubles because I need to process certain changes before others (for example standardize the format of the Wikiproject templates before moving non WikiProject templates out of the Wikiprojectbannershell template. In some cases this is difficult with the find and replace functionality in AWB to do. For this reason I am considering converting this logic into a C# module so I can better tailor the order of when things are processed (and temporarily lock certain ones to protect them from being changed at all). Before I do this however I wanted to make sure this wasn't going to cause a problem for you to pull into your bot. --Kumioko (talk) 20:25, 11 December 2010 (UTC)
 * Thanks. I bet this took you a lot of time to make. -- Magioladitis (talk) 08:30, 12 December 2010 (UTC)
 * Yeah I chisel away at it a little at a time. The list Rich provided helped a lot to identify the majority but Ive' made a lot of changes to the original list as well as submit some for deletion along the way. So its not going to mess you up if I do this?
 * I am good. I am not trying to use the complete list because I need speed and my concern is mainly the WikiProject Biography banner. I bet the rest will fix eventually. I would like to have some statistics on the main template / redirect ratio but I don't know how to get them. -- Magioladitis (talk) 16:24, 12 December 2010 (UTC)
 * It makes sense you wouldn't use the whole list to me too. Most of the projects are on less than 200 pages so there pretty rare anyway. I don't know how to gauges the speed difference either but I usually see a decent speed increase when I switch from standard find and replace to module coding. --Kumioko (talk) 16:44, 12 December 2010 (UTC)

I am done verifying the code and converting it over to a module. For me it seems to work about twice the previous speed but it may be different for you. I added the code that I think you would be interested in here. A couple notes: Please let me know if you have any questions or comments. --Kumioko (talk) 01:44, 13 December 2010 (UTC)
 * 1) I included projects that have no redirects, had been deleted or merged into other projects. They are commented out so you can delete that section if you want. I did this in case they come back later or become an issue later
 * 2) I included a section with redirect fixes for some other types of templates that appear on talk pages as well.
 * 3) I am still trying to figure out how to make the diacratics fix in regex so the dozen that have them will still have to be done manually as well as the WikiProject Wierd Al Yankovic but that one is hardly worth the words to mention.
 * Just a heads up I wanted to let you know that apparently I still have some coding to do on that new list. It doesn't recognize lower case for most (such as wpbiography) so I am going to work on that. I will put out an update in the next couple days that should fix most of the common ones. --Kumioko (talk) 05:13, 13 December 2010 (UTC)
 * I thought I already let you know but I guess I goofed up. I did some more updated to the code. It now accepts lower case and I fixed a couple of other things as well. --Kumioko (talk) 16:48, 23 December 2010 (UTC)
 * Wow. Thanks very much for the whole effort! Can you send me the settings by email please? -- Magioladitis (talk) 16:50, 23 December 2010 (UTC)
 * I can send it to you tonight but I don't have access to my EMAIL at the moment. I also added it here User:Kumioko/Talkpage since its now small enough to fit on a page. You also might be interested to know that I was asked by a couple users to submit a bot request (apparently generating 1000+ edits a day is pushing the envelope a bit). --Kumioko (talk) 16:54, 23 December 2010 (UTC)

Persondata
Just wondering what is this persondata at the bottom of the Bolton Hall (activist) page. What does it do, and, more important, what should I do with it. Sincerely, your friend, GeorgeLouis (talk) 03:47, 12 December 2010 (UTC)
 * The answer to the first question can be complicated and technical but essentially this is to allow certain data about the person to be used in analysis and formatting tools and queries. The second question is nothing. It just sits there unless you need to query it for some reason. Most people don't even see it unless they are editing the page. I hope this helps a little. --Kumioko (talk) 03:57, 12 December 2010 (UTC)

Hmm. analyzing and formatting exactly what? Who is doing this? I suppose there is a page somewhere that talks about this. Can you direct me? Also, what if there is a mistake in the persondata? Or something omitted? I note that there are often blank fields as though they are waiting for some human being to come along and fill them. (Not that I am looking for anything more to do, of course.) Yours, GeorgeLouis (talk) 04:10, 12 December 2010 (UTC)
 * Certainly, Heres a link to the documentation: Persondata. Your right that its only as good as the data but we are steadily filling it in. Know that we have logic in WP:AWB and a couple of bots filling it in we are getting a lot of them filled in. But its a gradual process that will take time to fill in and even then some of the info just isn't known so itll never be filled in for some of them. --Kumioko (talk) 04:16, 12 December 2010 (UTC)
 * Thanks for helping me out. -- Magioladitis (talk) 08:26, 12 December 2010 (UTC)

Citation needed
Thanks for the reminder on correct format.Parkwells (talk) 15:20, 12 December 2010 (UTC)

CHECKWIKI
When you run the CHECKWIKI fixes, can you put a note in the edit summary saying what exactly is being fixed? In this edit I have no idea what CHECKWIKI problem was being addressed. Other CHECKWIKI edits in Yobot's recent history only date maintenance tags. So I have no idea what to actually look for when I see these diffs on my watchlist. &mdash; Carl (CBM · talk) 21:29, 12 December 2010 (UTC)
 * I could do this but it's much faster if I a load the whole list of pages and then remove duplicates and alphabetise. There could be some problems today because I loaded a list with undated templates too to help with a bot request and I forgot to change the edit summary. Fixing right away. -- Magioladitis (talk) 21:31, 12 December 2010 (UTC)

Another Yobot Error — Anders Rudolf du Rietz
On 8 Dec 2010, at 09:17, I resolved the DEFAULTSORT conflict on the subject page by expanding the parameter on BD, changing the name in the Persondata and deleting the superfluous DEFAULTSORT, Category:1722 births and Category:1792 deaths. Unfortunately I made surname "Du Rietz" instead of adhering to the convention of "Durietz".

On 11 Dec 2010, at 13:34, User:Yobot came along and added a DEFAULTSORT with a sort value of "Rietz, Anders Rudolf Du" despite the article's pronunciation guide for the subject's surname, "dyrié", and restored the dob and dod categories. This re-introduced a "DEFAULTSORT conflict".

I have repaired the sort value in BD and deleted the superfluous DEFAULTSORT, Category:1722 births and Category:1792 deaths. Please do not muck up the page again. JimCubb (talk) 02:39, 13 December 2010 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the report. BD must always be replaced by DEFAULTSORT/categories. AWB stopped support of BD due to very low number of transclusions. I usually run my bot to substitute BD/Lifetime but I know do it more rarely because of the low number of transclusions. -- Magioladitis (talk) 08:58, 13 December 2010 (UTC)

The last time I checked there was no consensus for the replacement of either BD or lifetime. I have not been able to find where either was officially deprecated. If you have further information on this would you give me a link to it? JimCubb (talk) 00:53, 14 December 2010 (UTC)
 * Check Template talk:Lifetime in the discussions you participated year ago. Yobot is approved to replace Lifetime and manual writes "Automatic bots regularly replace it with the expanded form, but editors can still use lifetime to save on typing." -- Magioladitis (talk) 00:58, 14 December 2010 (UTC)

Thank you for reminding me. I still think it serves no purpose to make that change. However, not that you are to replace Lifetime, not merely add DEFAULTSORT with a different sort value. JimCubb (talk) 02:29, 14 December 2010 (UTC)
 * I understand your argument but with a number of 0-20 transclusions out 800k biographies, it makes the problem quite rare. I 'll keep running the replacement every week to eliminate the maximum 5 pages created per month with BD/Lifetime. -- Magioladitis (talk) 09:27, 16 December 2010 (UTC)

Yobot not fixing some unbalanced brackets
Yobot seems to be making quite often the kind of edits that are addressed in AWB Rules of use as "Avoid making insignificant or inconsequential edits". Two of the last five edits seem to be such edits, and. Any reason for these? Fram (talk) 14:45, 15 December 2010 (UTC)
 * Hm.. I tried to fix some unbalanced brackets. Apparently, logic failed. I'll check it more thoroughly. I have a list of failed cases in AWB/B. Thanks for the report. -- Magioladitis (talk) 15:12, 15 December 2010 (UTC)
 * This "often" puzzles me. I think all other checkwiki errors are fixed with 100% success. Only problems are with unbalanced brackets. I am keeping notes to improve the logic further. -- Magioladitis (talk) 15:15, 15 December 2010 (UTC)
 * Stanley Gibbons fixed (this one we probably can fix with AWB in the future). The second one was vandalism which I fixed. -- Magioladitis (talk) 15:26, 15 December 2010 (UTC)
 * Great, thanks! Fram (talk) 15:32, 15 December 2010 (UTC)

Another instance:. There are two changes that I can see: (i) changing to  to avoid a redirect, contrary to WP:NOTBROKEN; (ii) insertion of a blank line before section header, which has no effect on page layout. -- Red rose64 (talk) 21:48, 22 December 2010 (UTC)
 * True. Thanks. -- Magioladitis (talk) 22:31, 22 December 2010 (UTC)

logic to catch more unbalanced brackets. I still have a list of 3-4 cases than can be fixed. -- Magioladitis (talk) 16:42, 23 December 2010 (UTC)

I stopped making those edits you asked about
I just wanted to let you know that I stopped making those edits you EMAILed me about. I still don't really agree (especially since I have already changed about 25000 articles worth of them but I also saw your point. I am going to update the Template cleanup code again later tonight to catch some of the stuff I missed in the last one, add some more projects, add some more Misc templates, etc. Please let me know if you have any questions. --Kumioko (talk) 23:20, 15 December 2010 (UTC)
 * Thanks for all. I was only referring to talk pages. I hope we have the new release tomorrow. -- Magioladitis (talk) 01:01, 16 December 2010 (UTC)

Sorry . . . I don't understand . ..
Why was added to Jesse Yarnell? In puzzlement, your friend, GeorgeLouis (talk) 17:31, 16 December 2010 (UTC)
 * It wasn't added. It was moved. -- Magioladitis (talk) 17:36, 16 December 2010 (UTC)

Oh, right. . . why was it moved? Was it to keep the numerical order or something like that? Yours, GeorgeLouis (talk) 17:44, 16 December 2010 (UTC)
 * Yes, for that reason. :) -- Magioladitis (talk) 17:46, 16 December 2010 (UTC)

Extra line breaks in Template:Multiple issues
Hi, you accidentally added some extra line breaks to the template, at the bottom, before the final tag. See here. Thanks! Gary King ( talk  ·  scripts )  18:07, 21 December 2010 (UTC)
 * Fixed. -- Magioladitis (talk) 09:41, 23 December 2010 (UTC)

AWB functionalities
Hi, I would like to know where I can find a detailed list of things AWB does, particularly the sort of style fixes I would be interested in. I have also noticed that certain tasks within my module or within article sections (such as the gallery) are shielded from AWB, and would also enquire where I might find out which sections in articles are not affected by AWB (e.g. Categories, Interwikis etc), so I may simplify my protection rules accordingly. It would also be helpful to know how I may, when making a module, circumvent such protection when I want specifically to make changes to same, such as in my removing of dates links from within photo captions in the gallery. Thanks, -- Ohconfucius ¡digame! 04:30, 23 December 2010 (UTC)
 * We have WP:GENFIXES which describes all functions of AWB. We created AutoWikiBrowser/Custom_Modules which demonstrates how to use your own set general fixes. I hope these are useful. -- Magioladitis (talk) 09:40, 23 December 2010 (UTC)
 * Thanks. -- Ohconfucius ¡digame! 10:12, 23 December 2010 (UTC)

OLIGO
Hello, I have noticed that the page about my software is labeled as an advertisement. It's never been an intention do do so. The page has been corrected with an utmost attention to delete any subjective terms. Also, it's been added the most meaningful and comprehensive list of similar software available (the list has been there in early edits a few years ago, but it's been deleted by someone). If you still think that's the advertising, please let me know what should be done to fix the problem. Regards, Wojciech Rychlik —Preceding unsigned comment added by 174.24.76.126 (talk) 16:13, 23 December 2010 (UTC)

Your AWB removal of Category:English-language films from Reel Injun
Hi there. Just curious at to why your AWB edit of Reel Injun removed Category:English-language films. thanks, Shawn in Montreal (talk) 15:08, 25 December 2010 (UTC)
 * There were two of them. One is still there. -- Magioladitis (talk) 15:22, 25 December 2010 (UTC)
 * Oops, my mistake. I didn't realize Hotcat would have allowed me to add it twice. Sorry to bother you, Shawn in Montreal (talk) 16:08, 25 December 2010 (UTC)
 * No problem. Don't forget to report this bug to HotCat! -- Magioladitis (talk) 16:11, 25 December 2010 (UTC)
 * I've gone back and carefully reviewed the edit history and I'll be darned if I can figure out what AWB did. There was only one Category:English-language films before and it still is there now, in the same position, despite the fact that AWB diff made it look like it had been deleted. Sorry to have bothered you with this trivial matter on Christmas Day, feel free to delete this whole thing if you like. Shawn in Montreal (talk) 17:02, 25 December 2010 (UTC)
 * Look more carefully. There were two before (third and seventh place). One was removed. Maybe you need some rest! Merry Christmas! -- Magioladitis (talk) 17:08, 25 December 2010 (UTC)

Yobot - David Bieber
Hi

I was wondering why Yobot made the edits to David Bieber, having "Reference A" as the reference name for multiple references seems pointless and does not appear to improve the article. I have reverted the changes to it so that future editing of the page will be simpler.

<font color="Green" face="Arial">Tomd2712 &#124; <font color="Blue" face= "Comic Sans MS">Tell me something?  19:24, 25 December 2010 (UTC)

It improved the article. All other multiple references appear in a single line. It makes easier to read references this way. Moreover, Yobot moved punctuation before references. -- Magioladitis (talk) 19:31, 25 December 2010 (UTC)

Thanks
Ive been watching it and I saw your comment. I can hardly believe my ears so I'm trying to AGF and get them to verify but I think what they are trying to say is that they don't agree with the change to WikiProject vice Wp and the various other formats and they are changing them to WP because they weren't solicited for their opinion and they are trying to get the communities attention by changing them...but I could be mistaken so I was trying to get them to clarify. --Kumioko (talk) 00:47, 26 December 2010 (UTC)

A question about stub templates
I have an idea for a consolidation of the stub templates relating to US and I wanted to solicite your opinion first. What I would like to do is make it so that we use a central template as a base and then use parameters to denote the substub so to speak. Sorta like we do for Banners and portal boxes. For example if we say that US-stub is the main stub template and then we make a paramater for Biography (maybe like US-stub|biography=yes) then we could eliminate that US-bio-stub template. I know this makes the logic a bit more complicated and makes the template a little more complicated to use but I think in the end it would simplify the use of the several hundred stub templates that are in use for the US related articles. I also want to clarify that I know that we cannot consolidate 400 templates into 1 but there are about 30 that relate just to high level US and the same concept exists for each of the 50 states. So I think if even some are consolidated it will be an improvement. --Kumioko (talk) 21:00, 25 December 2010 (UTC)
 * I support any kind of consolidation. :) -- Magioladitis (talk) 11:44, 26 December 2010 (UTC)

Flood flag on pl-Wiki
I would suggest to ask for flood flag on pl-Wiki. Recent changes are full of your edits and difficult to watch. Ciacho5 (talk) 16:49, 26 December 2010 (UTC)
 * I speed-up because I think I got one. -- Magioladitis (talk) 17:08, 26 December 2010 (UTC)
 * If you want I can reduce to 4 edits/minute. I have done more than 50% of the task. -- Magioladitis (talk) 17:17, 26 December 2010 (UTC)

Vilyam Genrikhovich Fisher Article
I noticed you've reverted my talkpage edit on Vilyam Genrikhovich Fisher. Was it due to the changes to the WikiProject banners that already existed or my addition of WikiProject Espionage? Did you notice that I'd also left a big comment on concerning information that I found. I am just asking for a reason to whether it may have been the WikiProject Banners or my comment was the cause of the revert to the previous edit? Or was there other reasons? Feedback would be appreciated. Adamdaley (talk) 02:55, 27 December 2010 (UTC)
 * I think I got it right now. Sorry for the mass revert but your last edits messed the tracking categories of WikiProject Biography. Thanks for contacting me. -- Magioladitis (talk) 03:22, 27 December 2010 (UTC)

Talkpage Banners Advice Needed
We both know that there has been some confusion over the last few days about my edits. I feel it's been resolved. I would like to clarify more about the standardisation on banners are for example one of the edits you reverted of mine was Sharon Grierson.


 * WPBiography
 * living=yes
 * class=Stub
 * priority=
 * auto=yes
 * politician-work-group=yes
 * listas=Grierson, Sharon


 * WP Australia
 * class=stub
 * importance=low
 * politics=yes
 * politics-importance=mid
 * politics-importance=mid

My question and/or point of this is, am I able to do the following:


 * WikiProject Biography|living=yes|class=Stub|listas=Grierson, Sharon|politician-work-group=yes|politician-priority=Mid
 * WikiProject Australia|class=Stub|importance=Low|politics=yes|politics-importance=Mid

Which includes the squidly brackets to make it a valid banner? Will it be confusing to other contributors or bots? Adamdaley (talk) 23:20, 27 December 2010 (UTC)
 * This is perfect! Please do. Thanks. -- Magioladitis (talk) 23:26, 27 December 2010 (UTC)
 * It is easier to see what parameters are present if each is on a separate line. Running them all together on the same line makes it easy for me to miss a blank listas when I am adding the value to those banners that do not have it.  If the banner's parameters are correct and will never be changed, then there is no problem.  JimCubb (talk) 18:29, 28 December 2010 (UTC)
 * I am good either way as soon as the format is "WikiProject...". -- Magioladitis (talk) 18:42, 28 December 2010 (UTC)
 * It is even more confusing if the banner tag, with braces, looks like this:
 * WPBiography|living=yes|filmbio-work-group =|musician-work-group =|military-work-group =|peerage-work-group =|politician-work-group =|royalty-work-group =|s&a-work-group = |a&e-work-group =yes|sports-work-group =|class = Stub
 * "WPBiog" is better than all those superfluous work-group parameters. I took that off the talk page of an article about a musician but you would never know it by the banner tag.  JimCubb (talk) 19:05, 28 December 2010 (UTC)
 * Sorry for butting in here Magio but do you remember a while back I mentioned how I usually try to delete out extra parameters of they =no or are missing because some users like to add the banners with every possible field (eventhough the instructions say not too). To me this is a good example of that. Also, as a side note many of the parameters (including the biography prioritys listed above) do not work if the first character is upper case (ie Class or CLASS vice class). I fix 20 or 30 with regex. --Kumioko (talk) 19:20, 28 December 2010 (UTC)

Please check your "fanpov" addition
Could you please check your addition of fanpov to Multiple issues? I noticed that Nitta Oyako has the "It may be written from a fan's point of view, rather than a neutral point of view" message, even though the article doesn't have the fanpove or fansite. Thanks! GoingBatty (talk) 18:35, 28 December 2010 (UTC)
 * Fixed. -- Magioladitis (talk) 18:41, 28 December 2010 (UTC)
 * Could you please check again? I still see the message on Nitta Oyako.  Comparing the fanpov code to other parameters, it appears you may need one more left brace.  Thanks!  GoingBatty (talk) 19:10, 28 December 2010 (UTC)
 * Fixed. :) Thanks. -- Magioladitis (talk) 19:21, 28 December 2010 (UTC)
 * Confirmed - thank you! GoingBatty (talk) 19:25, 28 December 2010 (UTC)

Wikify tags
I recently noticed a surge in the number of articles in Category:Articles that need to be wikified from December 2010, and I found that many were tagged by Yobot. Unfortunately, some of the tagged articles were tagged erroneously (e.g.,,). According to Bots/Requests for approval/Yobot 11, Yobot isn't supposed to be using. Do you mind explaining what's changed? Guoguo12 <font color="blue" size="1">--Talk-- 18:44, 28 December 2010 (UTC)
 * We recently did some changes to the logic which are supposed to make wikify more accurate. I'll have a look. There is already an active discussion of how to modify the wikify criteria in Wikipedia_talk:AWB. -- Magioladitis (talk) 18:51, 28 December 2010 (UTC)
 * Okay, I see. Thanks. Guoguo12 <font color="blue" size="1">--Talk--  20:47, 28 December 2010 (UTC)

Yobot
Hi. Can you place this in meta? We dont have crats em pt.wiki for a while (what a shame) ... Just waiting the flag. []s. Leandromartinez (talk) 22:10, 28 December 2010 (UTC)

Transclusions with the Template: namespace prefix
You might want to add a check for underscores in the regular expression you are using for removing the Template: namespace prefix from template transclusions. For an example, see the "Template:Data_Erasure" change in this diff: --Tothwolf (talk) 01:57, 29 December 2010 (UTC)
 * Nice idea. I put it in WP:AWB/FR. -- Magioladitis (talk) 23:49, 29 December 2010 (UTC)

archive @ AWB/Bug
hi, u "deleted" with this edit my bugreport. why? i didn't find a solution for this problem... greetings Shadak (talk) 18:34, 29 December 2010 (UTC)
 * I merged with mine. We reported the same bug in different languages. :) -- Magioladitis (talk)
 * ähm...no, we do not have reported the same bug...so please unmerge =) --Shadak (talk) 19:40, 29 December 2010 (UTC)
 * Oops you are right! Sorry. Please write us which page you 've been editing when the bug occured. Vielen Dank. -- Magioladitis (talk) 19:47, 29 December 2010 (UTC)
 * no problem, added some note. --Shadak (talk) 20:47, 29 December 2010 (UTC)
 * sry for my...bad grammar --Shadak (talk) 22:40, 29 December 2010 (UTC)
 * Kein Problem. Du koenntest auf Deutsch schreiben und dann ich koennte uebersetzen auf Englisch! -- Magioladitis (talk) 22:49, 29 December 2010 (UTC)
 * Nice idea, but my grammar needs just more experience, so i should use her ^^ --Shadak (talk) 23:07, 29 December 2010 (UTC)

WikiCup 2011
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Yobot adding wrong crosswiki links ( Live Trax Vol. 18 )
See this revision

Yobot added a link that was, indeed, existing in the Polish Wiki, but was unrelated to the article it was added to. --Ezhuks (talk) 02:17, 1 January 2011 (UTC)
 * Yobot just moved it to the bottom. The false link was already there. -- Magioladitis (talk) 08:06, 1 January 2011 (UTC)
 * My apologies, mate, that Polish crosswiki link was there almost from the start, as you've said. Oh well, one way or another, it's fixed :) --Ezhuks (talk) 14:19, 1 January 2011 (UTC)

A couple of talk page questions
Greetings and happy new year. I hope you don't mind but I have noticed some more talk page things and I hoped you wouldn't mind calrifying. I have logic that fixes a lot of these but I thought it might be worth adding to AWB. --Kumioko (talk) 17:39, 1 January 2011 (UTC)
 * 1) I have noticed a bunch that have the DEFAULTSORT template and I wonder if this is appropriate for a talk page
 * 2) Same goes for Categories. Are there certain categories that are or aren't appropriate for talk pages?
 * 3) I have also seen some formatting issues that might make good AWB fixes. Here are a couple:
 * 4) most parameters (especially class, priority, importance and the like) do not work if the first digit is upper case (IE Class versus class). I have logic that fixes about 20 or 30 of the main ones but it might be worth adding.
 * 5) the parameter = is sometimes missing so it says something like |start|low|instead of class=Start|importance=low.
 * 6) I have seen some parameters that say things like class-start vice class=start.

Happy new year! Let's see:
 * 1) If listas already exists, DEFAULTSORT is useless and probably an old leftover.
 * 2) Try to write your logic in a custom module and then we 'll try to add it in AWB's code. I recommend you make a bot account to fix these cases because I bet they are many. Reedy said he is gonna rewrite the KingbotK plugin in C# so I guess we are gonna need some logic to fix parameters. -- Magioladitis (talk) 18:21, 1 January 2011 (UTC)
 * Thanks, I can add it to the module and the bot account is already pending. Not sure how long itll take, but its in the works. --Kumioko (talk) 18:22, 1 January 2011 (UTC)
 * I added a couple more projects hereand I added some of the code mentioned above. A note about the code though. I was having trouble getting it to make the changes when the parameters show up on multiple lines so it sometimes needs to be reparsed a couple times when the changes appear on multiple lines. Also, because of this a byproduct of the code is that it moves all the parameters into a continuous string rather than being on multiple lines. I'm not sure how to fix that yet so if you have any ideas please let me know. --Kumioko (talk) 22:09, 1 January 2011 (UTC)

An article that needs your help.
Would you run Yobot on Arkansas Militia in the Civil War? The references could really use your assistance. Thanks. Aleutian06 02:12, 2 January 2011 (UTC)
 * Done! I am so happy that someone asked me something like that. Thanks. -- Magioladitis (talk) 02:26, 2 January 2011 (UTC)
 * ...and a small advice: Try avoiding using contstructs like "ibid" in citations. I can help with more stuff tomorrow. -- Magioladitis (talk) 02:31, 2 January 2011 (UTC)
 * Thanks, that would have taken me days to do myself.Aleutian06 02:44, 2 January 2011 (UTC)

The Great Arkansas Barnstar
Thanks! That's a good start for the new year :) -- Magioladitis (talk) 02:53, 2 January 2011 (UTC)

Refpunc issues
While the script moved punctuation, it left repeated punctuation. Did you write the module or regexes for this? Would you like a pointer on how to improve this? Gimmetoo (talk) 11:53, 2 January 2011 (UTC)
 * Any advice, comments are useful. I didn't write any module. I used the built-in WikiFunctions.Parse.Parsers.RefsAfterPunctuation function from AWB. So, please, my talk page is ready for suggestions :) Thanks in advance. -- Magioladitis (talk) 12:34, 2 January 2011 (UTC)
 * I'm curious. Since when was this part of AWB? Especially considering the evident bugs, how did this ever get BAG approval?
 * Anyway, ages ago I made a script User:Gimmetrow/fixRefs.js to do this sort of task. It avoids most of the obvious bugs and has a couple years of user testing behind it. However, it's impossible to avoid all problems with this task, because you can't fully anticipate everything in human writing. I seem to recall automatic bot tasks being denied because these edits do take some human review, even if the error rate is 1%. Gimmetoo (talk) 16:17, 2 January 2011 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the script. I'll give a look. Some short answers: This part of AWB for a long time. My approval can be found in Bots/Requests_for_approval/Yobot_16. Since November the Chicago style become official style in all pages. Check WP:REFPUNC and its talk page. I wouldn't characterise the above as a bug. I would say the the logic just fails to fix some cases and in these cases human review is needed. -- Magioladitis (talk) 16:29, 2 January 2011 (UTC)
 * Here's the thing. If all a script does is move punctuation appearing after a ref so it appears before, then the script mishandles a lot of cases. It mishandles multiple punctuation marks, it may mishandle various forms of spacing, and it is likely to miss other errors. My estimate at the time was that some 20% of articles would end up unfixed with that method, either through exchanging one error for another, or simply not making all the corrections. For an automated, high-volume task, that should be unacceptable. A script that handles spacing and multiple punctuation marks will catch a lot more. My script also moved citation tags (though this was before dated cite tags and I never updated it). It does have problems with ellipses (which could be handled) and abbreviations (which would be difficult to handle in general), but, a javascript tool still has a person press save, so the person is responsible for checking for these issues. Code that is used fully-automatically should meet a higher standard. Gimmetoo (talk) 16:58, 2 January 2011 (UTC)
 * With AWB, if the punctuation after and before is the same, then the later is removed. I'll check the code to update the manual with which cases are handled. -- Magioladitis (talk) 17:04, 2 January 2011 (UTC)
 * Part 1 is fine. Part 2 maybe it isn't. -- Magioladitis (talk) 11:58, 3 January 2011 (UTC)

Yobot
Found a bug! Brandon (talk) 03:13, 3 January 2011 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the report. Already fixed. Moreover, I went and replace OR with original research everywhere inside Multiple issues to prevent the bug happening again from others using older versions of AWB. I even created a tracking category to regularly replace this cases (Category:Articles using Multiple issues with deprecated parameters. Finally I made a script so anyone can fix this (User:Yobot/Multiple issues). -- Magioladitis (talk) 08:17, 3 January 2011 (UTC)

User: Magioladitis
Thanks for the help on John Hope Bryant. I would greatly appreciate anymore suggestions on how to improve John Hope Bryant. Thanks again -Scoop_prado (talk) 01:27, 5 January 2011 (UTC) scoop_prado (talk) 03:13, 4 January 2011

Re: Yobot
I've reported an edit change @ Yobot. If you list an edit w/ that handle, that's the handle to which I reply. I don't understand this setup & I don't like it. I'm reporting it the higher level editors. Tapered (talk) 07:04, 5 January 2011 (UTC)
 * Check what Yobot really did. It only added a date to the tag. It's not Yobot who asked about the citation ("cn" stands for "citation needed") but another editor. Thanks for adding a reference though. -- Magioladitis (talk) 08:03, 5 January 2011 (UTC)
 * The good folks who answer mail @ Wikipedia Central responded to my complaint, and very kindly set me straight. My bad. My aplogies. Tapered (talk) 21:25, 5 January 2011 (UTC)

Thank for your good Work on Wikipedia
Bonjour Yobot, All the best for the New Year. I hope you have a 2011 with happiness, peace and serenity.Enjoy  prend soin de toi, אני אוהב אותך --Geneviève (talk) 21:22, 5 January 2011 (UTC)

Please be careful
This edit is wrong. The ship's designation is BB-56. Thanks, Ed [talk] [majestic titan] 23:54, 5 January 2011 (UTC)
 * I know but words inside defaultsort should not have internal capitalisation. -- User:Magioladitis 23:56, 5 January 2011 (UTC)

Yobot edit
Could you please look at this edit made by Yobot? I think the parameter value was wrong (I've changed it from two references to one URL template, but you may want to consider whether Yobot needs to be changed. Thanks!  GoingBatty (talk) 03:53, 6 January 2011 (UTC)
 * Rare bug. We could run a database scan to fix them of course. -- Magioladitis (talk) 23:11, 8 January 2011 (UTC)

Xenobot request
Hey, I'm Hunter Kahn. I had asked a question to CBM about the Xenobot request I want to make, and you said I can just leave the preferred template name blank and specify the WikiProject and task force you want added. I just wanted to make sure, how exactly do I write this? If this is an automated bot request, I don't want to put in anything wrong and then screw up the Television templates already on the many WikiProject TV articles. How exactly do I do this? (Also, what does the default logic field in that bot request form mean exactly?) Sorry to be a pest, but any help you could give would be appreciated. Thanks! —  Hun ter   Ka  hn  04:44, 7 January 2011 (UTC)
 * Xeno (a real person and not a bot!) reviews everything. So don't worry. They 'll take the form and read it. Go for it. (Default means the name it's gonna added in the pages. Then xeno will load all redirects of the name and change them to this one. Nowadays this is useless since all wikiprojects follow the standard name "WikiProject foo". In old days the name of the project had the "wikiproject" in the beginning or at the end and with random capitalisation. Check WP:STANDARDIZE foe details on the history). Don't worry asking. It makes us all better. Happy editing. -- Magioladitis (talk) 08:10, 7 January 2011 (UTC)

Bot requests for WP:AWB/GF
Hope you can give me some guidance on WP etiquette for requesting bots to use AWB to do general fixes. For example: Is it OK to ask you to run AWB on these maintenance categories, and other requests in the future? Thanks! GoingBatty (talk) 04:43, 8 January 2011 (UTC)
 * After adding Autobiography to WP:AWB/TR and WP:AWB/DT, I loaded Category:Autobiographical articles into AWB to fix the redirects, add dates to the template, and merge the template into Multiple issues.
 * When running AWB over Category:Year of birth missing (living people) to see which articles have the year of birth included, I noticed AWB uses the general fixes to get the right year of birth category on many articles.

Running now:
 * Convert YOB missing to YOB missing (LP) when page is a BLP. 121 edits.
 * Add YOB in page with YOB missing (LP) if possible. 103 edits.
 * Genfixes on Autobiographical articles. 330 edits. We need dated categories!
 * Convert POB missing to POB missing (LP) when page is a BLP.

-- Magioladitis (talk) 09:07, 8 January 2011 (UTC)
 * Thanks so much! GoingBatty (talk) 16:19, 8 January 2011 (UTC)
 * You mentioned that we needed dated categories. Do you know why Yobot didn't add the dated category in this edit?  When I ran Paul Horiuchi through AWB (7522) again, it automatically added Category:1906 births.  Thanks!  GoingBatty (talk) 17:52, 8 January 2011 (UTC)
 * Also, in this edit didn't remove Multiple issues wikify. Does Yobot have Auto Tag turned off? GoingBatty (talk) 20:13, 8 January 2011 (UTC)
 * No, it's not. My version (5728) doesn't remove the wikify tag. diff. Why does yours? -- Magioladitis (talk) 20:21, 8 January 2011 (UTC)
 * I don't know - that's what I was asking you. :-) I don't have anything special set to remove it (e.g. custom module, Find/Replace).  GoingBatty (talk) 21:17, 8 January 2011 (UTC)
 * This is a riddle: My version (5728) thinks (wrongly) page isn't wikified, your version (5722) disagrees. We both use only general fixes. Here comes the most fun: 7523: irrelevant dll update, 7524-7525: comments, 7526: irrelevant change to CiteTemplateDates, 7527-7528: unrelated changes for non-enwiki. -- Magioladitis (talk) 23:19, 8 January 2011 (UTC)
 * Did you run Yobot against everything in Category:Year of birth missing (living people) today? My AWB wants to remove the category from Dejan Joksimović, which hasn't been edited since December.  I didn't hit the save button, so you could look at it too.  I'd be happy to send you my settings file if you'd like (and if you tell me the default location & name for the settings file).  Anything else I can do to help solve this riddle?  GoingBatty (talk) 00:29, 9 January 2011 (UTC)
 * I added it birth/death categories to 300 pages until my laptop crashed because I was running AWB non-stop for some days. You can stop your settings in my sandbox with copy-paste. Your settings file are in the folder "C:\Documents and Settings\user name\Local Settings\Application Data\AutoWikiBrowser" (Windows XP) or "C:\Users\user name\AppData\Local\AutoWikiBrowser\" (Windows 7). The filename is Default.xlm (Wikipedia_talk:AutoWikiBrowser). -- Magioladitis (talk) 00:40, 9 January 2011 (UTC)
 * Thanks for pointing me to the FAQ. I could have also seen the filename by clicking File-Save Settings - sorry about that.  I turned off my Find and Replace and RegExTypoFix and posted my settings in User:GoingBatty/Sandbox.  I reverted my change to Kinda Hibrawi so it now has the wikify tag again.  When I run my AWB against Kinda Hibrawi, it wants to remove the wikify tag.  However, when I run it against User:Magioladitis/Sandbox (which seems to have the same content), it does NOT want to remove the wikify tag.  GoingBatty (talk) 01:27, 9 January 2011 (UTC)
 * diff. I am confused. -- Magioladitis (talk) 04:01, 9 January 2011 (UTC)
 * I'm confused too. Could it be that AWB didn't remove the wikify tag in the first pass because of the combination of other gen fixes it was doing?  GoingBatty (talk) 04:12, 9 January 2011 (UTC)
 * Tagger works only in mainspace. Yes, it's probable that wikify needs two edits in the case you described me. -- Magioladitis (talk) 23:13, 9 January 2011 (UTC)

So presuming we have solved the mystery, could you please try running Yobot against Category:Year of birth missing (living people) again when you have a chance? Thanks! GoingBatty (talk) 00:14, 10 January 2011 (UTC)
 * I am at the moment, but there are very few cases I can help. Can you perhaps help with Category:Biography articles without living parameter? The idea is to add birth/death categories in the main page. Then, by bot comes. Try adding Category:Living people for example. -- Magioladitis (talk) 00:54, 10 January 2011 (UTC)
 * Sure. I tried a few, and they were all dead people.  Can the bot go first?  For example, if the article has a subcategory of Category:Deaths by year, then could the bot set ?  Thanks!  GoingBatty (talk) 01:51, 10 January 2011 (UTC)
 * This is something I already do. The pages there have no birth nor death category in mainspace. As soon as they have one, the bot adds the appropriate banner in the talk page. -- Magioladitis (talk) 02:20, 10 January 2011 (UTC)
 * The human talk pages I edited each has a death category in mainspace:
 * Astafy Dolgopolov has Category:Year of death unknown
 * Andrey Aldan-Semenov, Paolo Agosteo, and Karl Aberle have Category:Year of death missing
 * Adalbert Eledui has Category:2010 deaths.
 * Each of these is a subcategory to Category:Deaths by year, hence my request above. Thanks!    GoingBatty (talk) 03:10, 10 January 2011 (UTC)
 * In fact, you don't have to edit the talk page. Only add categories in the article. The bot will do the rest. Moreover, be careful because Musical groups are part of WikiProject Biography! We tag them as living=yes if at least one band member is alive. -- Magioladitis (talk) 02:32, 10 January 2011 (UTC)
 * OK, I won't edit the talk pages anymore. The scope of WP:WikiProject Biography says "It includes only articles the subject of which is a person, not an organization or group, unless a substantial section of the article is a biography of a person related to that organization or group."  By this standard, I thought the Wikiproject Biography template should be removed from Talk:Breaks Co-Op and Talk:Akem Manah (band).  Your standard seems a bit different, so feel free to revert my edits if they were incorrect.  Maybe the scope statement should be changed so newbies like me don't mess things up?  No more editing today.  Nice working with you, as always!  GoingBatty (talk) 03:05, 10 January 2011 (UTC)

Yobot: DMY template
Is there any possibility that yobot can recognize if dmy is used only and add the template? This would prevent some unneeded extra edits by users, if this is the only timeformat in the article. <b style="font-family:Courier New; display:inline; border:#009 1px dashed; padding:1px 6px 2px 7px; white-space:nowrap; color:#000000; font-size:smaller;">mabdul</b> 15:49, 8 January 2011 (UTC)
 * Better request that in WP:AWB/FR. -- Magioladitis (talk) 17:57, 8 January 2011 (UTC)

Suzanne J. Barbieri - problem Yobot edit
Noticed a problem with this Yobot edit; a 2010 birth year was assigned despite Suzanne J. Barbieri's marriage and active career (e.g. she released music prior to infancy, in 1998). Please check your bot code. Dl2000 (talk) 16:52, 8 January 2011 (UTC)
 * Thanks. Know problem with Year needed. We are working on that. -- Magioladitis (talk) 17:13, 8 January 2011 (UTC)
 * Fixed bugfix FixPeopleCategories: ignore dates in maintenance templates. -- Magioladitis (talk) 03:22, 9 January 2011 (UTC)

Kaelan_Joyce
Hi Bot keeps stating this article is an ORPHAN but it has loads of links on it both internal and external ones. Could you please help? I would very much appreciate it! Thanks --Manolo1234 (talk) 17:16, 9 January 2011 (UTC)
 * "Orphan" means "no incoming links". You have to find some articles to link to this one. There are some tools for that. -- Magioladitis (talk) 21:33, 9 January 2011 (UTC)

Thanks so much! I am on it :) --Manolo1234 (talk) 23:08, 9 January 2011 (UTC)
 * Nice. I gave you some more work to do. :) -- Magioladitis (talk) 02:33, 10 January 2011 (UTC)

WildBot tag removal followup
I've noticed that your bot has stopped removing obsolete Wildbot tags. Should I ask at WP:BOTREQ for someone else to do it or will you continue doing it? — Dispenser 17:39, 10 January 2011 (UTC)
 * Should I do it in daily basis? -- Magioladitis (talk) 19:46, 10 January 2011 (UTC)
 * If you have the time to do (or automate it) it would be helpful. — Dispenser 23:26, 10 January 2011 (UTC)

Oligo
This is actually repeat of my Dec. 23rd post about OLIGO_Primer_Analysis_Software. I have not received any explanation why this entry has 'written like advertisement' comment. I hope you're going to straighten this out this thime. Thanks! Wojciech Rychlik. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.219.190.19 (talk) 17:40, 10 January 2011 (UTC)
 * Yobot only dated the tag, You better contact Tstrobaugh in their talk page. They added the tag in first place. -- Magioladitis (talk) 19:29, 10 January 2011 (UTC)

-Thank you for the info. By the way, do you see any problems with the entry? Wojciech —Preceding unsigned comment added by 174.24.77.113 (talk) 20:42, 11 January 2011 (UTC)

Sort Value Creation Errors
Article: Máel Mocheirge mac Indrechtaig; Yobot's sort value;  Indrechtaig, Mael Mocheirge Mac Article: Lady Gaga; Yobot's sort value;  Gaga, Lady Article: Mōri Motokiyo; Yobot's sort value:  Motokiyo, Mori (despite a Mōri at the top of the page Article:  Mōri Gorō; Yobot's sort value:  Goro, Mori (despite the identification of his father as "Mōri Motonori". Article: Lê Cung Hoàng; Yobot's sort value:  Hoang, Le Cung

I know they were not your fault but the fault of the AWB logic. Still there are too many to allow the process to continue. JimCubb (talk) 23:00, 13 January 2011 (UTC)
 * Thanks. I am gathering information to take advantage of Category:Surname clarification templates. First discussion started in Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Iceland. -- Magioladitis (talk) 23:29, 13 January 2011 (UTC)

When I first ran into Icelandic names as a sorting problem I looked on as many articles as I could to get a sense of what was really happening. Back then there was a tendency to treat the patronym / matronym as a surname except on Iceland-specific categories. I do not know if that is still true. JimCubb (talk) 00:57, 14 January 2011 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the hint. Feel free to join the discussion there. the more feedback we 'll get the best. Forming a clear consensus for special name cases is the first step to implement the automatoted script and get done with the backlog. -- Magioladitis (talk) 01:03, 14 January 2011 (UTC)

KKE and Euroscepticism
Hello and thank you for all your contributions to many articles. What i would like to discuss with you is the reason i added Euroscepticism to KKE's ideology. I think that it is an indespensable part of KKE's current ideology as many of its core ideas are based on 1) opposition to the European Union -usually in vociferous campaigns against it - and 2) its support for total withdeawal of Greece from it (as it is stated on its program and its electoral manifesto). Therefore i strongly believe that it should be added in its ideology.

Wait for your response and thank you for reading. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Calaveras84 (talk • contribs) 12:21, 14 January 2011 (UTC)
 * I could write a lot here I guess.
 * The ideology section in the infobox must be short
 * Euroceptism isn't a goode description of the ideology of party and refers more to its politics
 * I never read anyone describing KKE as eurosceptic. Do you have any source doing that?

Thanks for contacting. -- Magioladitis (talk) 12:37, 14 January 2011 (UTC)

Hello again. Thank you for your reply. 1) The ideology section of many parties in wikipedia includes sometimes numerous ideologies (more than 5-6 sometimes) as usually more than 2-3 are applicable.So i dont understand your argument that the infobox must be short. I have never heard that. 2) There are parties that have been created with their sole ideology beeing Euroscepticism. A very good example is the Danish People's movement against the EU - which happens to sit in the same political group with KKE in the European Parliament,or the June list in Sweden. 3) The fact that you may have not heard someone describing KKE as Eurosceptic doesnt mean that it isnt. In Greek media especially during the period of the European elections this term is used. And it is widely known that KKE is totally against the European Union and wants Greece to withdraw from it. If you checked the link i sent you on www.kke.gr (in the section European Union) you will see clearly their policies about it. 4)And let me clear that Euroscepticism is just the position a party holds against the European Union and it is important addition in my opinion because it defines its positive or negative stance against it and ofcourse determines much of the party's policies since the EU is a crucial matter in nowadays European politics. Many left and green parties around Europe use this term especially in Scandinavia and the UK.

Just some thoughts for discourse. Thank you for reading and if you really think it should be eliminated from KKE infobox i will not insist any more as you have more experience in wikipedia editting and i respect that. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Calaveras84 (talk • contribs) 11:17, 15 January 2011 (UTC)

Avoiding redirects
Regarding this edit by Yobot. Aren't edits like this not only unnecessary, but against guidelines per WP:NOTBROKEN? SFB 14:12, 15 January 2011 (UTC)
 * Not exactly against but they are better to be avoided if nothing else happens. But it's unbelievably hard even to make list comparisons, cover all cases when writing scripts with all these redirects of wikiprojects around. I ran only to fix WPBS because in many cases it crashes my bot run. I should have skipped in the case 1 exists (its absence may cause problems). Sorry for that. -- 14:19, 15 January 2011 (UTC)

A couple more talk page questions
Greetings, Hope you don't mind asking a couple of questions. I have noticed that some folks are asking that the wildbot tags be removed from talk pages since that bot is apparently not working anymore. Should I add that to my logic and remove those as I go since I am on the page anyway? Also, do you know what the placement should be for things like Mizabot? IMO it should go towards the bottom of the stack but I have seen it in a variety of places including at the very bottom of the page which I am sure isn't correct? Thanks again/ --Kumioko (talk) 22:09, 18 January 2011 (UTC)
 * Hi! Always my pleasure to discuss issues with you.
 * On Wilbot: We should be removing the tags only from pages found here. I am doing it every 3-4 days.
 * On Mizabot: It certainly should be before the first section. I think, it doesn't matter where exactly. -- Magioladitis (talk) 23:41, 18 January 2011 (UTC)
 * Ok thanks. I am going to move it below the banners and above the first section. --Kumioko (talk) 02:17, 19 January 2011 (UTC)

WP:LINKROT
Can Yobot hide web urls in references/citations per WP:LINKROT? Aleutian06 18:38, 19 January 2011 (UTC)
 * Do you have an example of what should be done? I think AWB does it for many cases already. -- Magioladitis (talk) 20:16, 19 January 2011 (UTC)
 * You have worked on Arkansas Militia in the Civil War before, but AustralianRupert left a comment that "in the references/citations, the web urls should be hidden with a template per WP:LINKROT" I was just wondering if there was an easy way to do this since a lot of my references have urls. Aleutian06 23:09, 19 January 2011 (UTC)
 * That would be difficult to did automatically. I did some work on that article manually. Good luck doing the rest. -- Magioladitis (talk) 00:28, 20 January 2011 (UTC)

Removal of expand
Still got over 7000 transclusions even after some bot edits. What should we do? Ten Pound Hammer, his otters and a clue-bat • (Otters want attention) 23:05, 19 January 2011 (UTC)
 * I am 99% done with 2007 and 2008. I am making now lists for 2009 and I'll go for them. -- Magioladitis (talk) 00:08, 20 January 2011 (UTC)
 * Also, did you deprecate the "expand" field in multiple issues, and are you working to remove any instances of it? Ten Pound Hammer, his otters and a clue-bat • (Otters want attention) 01:22, 20 January 2011 (UTC)
 * The field can be OK when section is on, to reflect Expand section. I'll handle these during the weekend. Thanks for the feedback. Keep writing me here whatever you think is useful. -- Magioladitis (talk) 01:24, 20 January 2011 (UTC)
 * I removed article from all expand tags. Those with section were converted to Expand section. Now removing all expand tags without any parameters starting form the older ones. I'll handle the ones with parameters later. -- Magioladitis (talk) 01:28, 20 January 2011 (UTC)
 * Hmm. How about transclusions where it's used with tl ( expand ), like in the title of this talk page section? Would those need to be removed too? Ten Pound Hammer, his otters and a clue-bat • (Otters want attention) 21:37, 20 January 2011 (UTC)
 * We usually leave these things untouched. Especially, when they are in talk pages. -- Magioladitis (talk) 21:42, 20 January 2011 (UTC)
 * I finished the biggest part. I guess now we need to remove the rest manually. I also fixed all the parameters inside MI. Some more pages may appear in Category:Articles using Multiple issues with deprecated parameters. We also need to modify the template's code to show expnd only if section is there. -- Magioladitis (talk) 10:58, 22 January 2011 (UTC)
 * Finally done! Expand is now gone. Only remaining transclusions are via Expand or located on abandoned userspace drafts that can probably be taken to MFD. Ten Pound Hammer, his otters and a clue-bat • (Otters want attention) 22:31, 22 January 2011 (UTC)

Yobot Nomenclator
A tag has appeared at the top of the article Nomenclator (nomenclature) calling for additional citations. I am curious as to why this has been done when every sentence carries a citation except one sentence which has two. Could you please explain the reasoning? <font color='#3E7A11'>Granitethighs  05:44, 21 January 2011 (UTC)
 * I didn't add the tag. The tag is here since September 2009! -- Magioladitis (talk) 07:55, 21 January 2011 (UTC)

Yobot making minor changes using AWB
Hi, can you confirm what change has actually been made by this edit, although in any case I believe this minor edit should not have been made as per. Regards. Eldumpo (talk) 19:40, 21 January 2011 (UTC)
 * It's not minor. It fixed the placement of the punctuation which is a very good thing to do. -- Magioladitis (talk) 19:45, 21 January 2011 (UTC)

Mine Rescue Chamber
You and/or your bot placed the following tag on this article

Even though your tag invited editors to review information concerning this tag to visit the talk page there were no posts on the talk page concerning the tag. This page is a direct daughter article to a page I monitor, 2010 Copiapó mining accident. I would like to know exactly which policies this article violates and how so I can work to fix them. If you are going to slap article tags around then you should post in the article's talk pages about why you tagged the article and what in your opinion needs to be done to rectify the issues you have with the article. Cheers! Veriss (talk) 07:01, 22 January 2011 (UTC)
 * Let's see:
 * Wikify: I did it. Added 1 more link, fixed external link, improved reference style.
 * Orphan: AWB bug. It should remove the tag. Fixed now.
 * Globalize: It wasn't added by me. Page needs to cover more examples and not only stating the US federal law.
 * I hope this helps! Thanks for contacting. -- Magioladitis (talk) 10:40, 22 January 2011 (UTC)

Donald H. Balch Article
Magioladitis,

Does your bot do "Persona" information at the bottom of articles? Donald H. Balch needs it and I've added the "Persona" as an attribute in the WikiProject on the talkpage. If it can be done or the WikiProjects be assessed by you it would be appreciated. Adamdaley (talk) 03:19, 25 January 2011 (UTC)


 * Got the first name wrong, re-wrote the link. Adamdaley (talk) 03:19, 25 January 2011 (UTC)
 * I checked the page. You got it right. Happy editing. -- Magioladitis (talk) 08:53, 25 January 2011 (UTC)

Removing Orphan Tags and Unreviewed Article Tag from Hal Becker article and book article
You added the Orphan Tag to the article on Hal Becker. I have since created a new article about a book written by Hal Becker and placed a link in it to the Hal Becker article. The article about the book entitled Can I Have 5 Minutes of Your Time? has been tagged as an Unreviewed Article as well as an Orphan page. The actual link is Can_I_Have_5_Minutes_Of_Your_Time%3F

I tried to put a link in the Hal Becker article to the book article but it did not find it. I assume that is because it is tagged as an unreviewed article. That article has been edited by yourself as well as someone else. Can't the Unreviewd Article tag be removed?

Bottom line how do I get the Orphan Tags removed since both of these articles will be linked to each other and how do I get the Unreviewd Article tag removed from the book article?

Janneyw (talk) 16:16, 26 January 2011 (UTC)
 * (not really, came to ask a different question and saw this) The actual link has a capital "Of", and I added that link to Hal Becker.  Did some other copyediting and removed the orphan template from each article.  GoingBatty (talk) 01:31, 27 January 2011 (UTC)
 * Thanks. In fact of there is only 1 link, I wouldn't remove the orphan tag. Especially, because the two articles are isolated i.e. only link to each other. Ukrainian wikipedia has better rules on tagging orphans but I can't be bothered to bring a proposal in en.wiki. At least not yet. -- Magioladitis (talk) 01:39, 27 January 2011 (UTC)
 * OK, I'll add the templates back. BTW, what's AWB's logic for removing the orphan tags?  Thanks!  GoingBatty (talk) 03:14, 27 January 2011 (UTC)
 * AWB's logic in brief: If 0 incoming links then tag. If more than 2 incoming links then untag. Check User:Magioladitis/AWB and orphans for details. -- Magioladitis (talk) 03:21, 27 January 2011 (UTC)
 * Thanks - just updated WP:AWB/GF with your brief summary. GoingBatty (talk) 03:36, 27 January 2011 (UTC)

Death date category has earlier year than birth date category
I recently came across two articles where the death date category had an earlier year than the birth date category. (e.g. Category:1920 births and Category:200 (instead of 2000) deaths) Each was a typo that I noticed when AWB tried to add the Persondata based on the categories. Can you think of an easy way to make a list of other articles where this occurs? Thanks! GoingBatty (talk) 01:34, 27 January 2011 (UTC)
 * Hm... tough. We can cross check XX-century births with YY-century deaths, where YY < XX as a start I guess and then go on. -- Magioladitis (talk) 01:37, 27 January 2011 (UTC)
 * I'm running a scan on this now. Rich Farmbrough, 03:02, 28th day of January in the year 2011 (UTC).

Some seem to be picked up in error. Not sure why.
 * 1) Martin Lister born 1739 died 1712
 * 2) Hayabusa (disambiguation) born 50 died -141 Error?
 * 3) Ann Mari Sjögren born 1918 died 1910
 * 4) Sahle Selassie born 17902 died 1847
 * 5) Leonor F. Loree born 1958 died 1950
 * 6) Muhammad ibn Khwand born 1433 died 903
 * 7) Yi Yin born 1648 died 1549
 * 8) Lower Barrakka Gardens born 1980 died 1641
 * 9) Illinois 16th Congressional District born 9 died 1
 * 10) Inez Beverly Prosser born 1985 died 1934
 * 11) Haematooncology born 1975 died 1950
 * 12) Conyers Darcy, 7th Baron Darcy de Knayth born 1670 died 1653
 * 13) Oetzingen born 1937 died 1611
 * 14) SCR 1845A born 1981 died 1599
 * 15) Princess Maria Theresia of Liechtenstein born 1694 died 177
 * 16) Dervish Hima born 1872 died 1828
 * 17) John Wozniak (politician) born 197 died -859 already ?
 * 18) John Wozniak (politician) born 620 died -716 already ?
 * 19) Orange Seely born 1943 died 1918
 * 20) Dinendranath Tagore born 1882 died 1835
 * 21) Mnga' ris sa khul born 1946 died 1924
 * 22) Cornwall Legh born 1857 died 1841
 * 23) Colin Campbell (British Army officer) born 1754 died 1714
 * 24) Thomas Page (cricketer) born 1872 died 1853
 * 25) Humphrey Yates born 1883 died 1856
 * 26) Alastair Campbell (cricketer) born 1890 died 1843
 * 27) Qeysar Aminpour born 1386 died 1338
 * 28) Hippolyte Belhomme born 1854 died 1823
 * 29) Baxter Hall born 1757 died 1742
 * 30) George Miles Watson, 2nd Baron Manton born 1899 died 1868
 * 31) François Joseph de Gratet, vicomte Dubouchage born 1749 died 1721
 * 32) Goby Eberhardt born 1852 died 126
 * 33) Nicolae Bivol born 1882 died 1840
 * 34) Ion Costin born 1887 died 1840
 * 35) Tommaso dei Cavalieri born 1590 died 1587
 * 36) Heinrich Geigl born 1981 died 1918
 * 37) Charles L. Burrill born 1862 died 1831
 * 38) William Ruxton (1697–1751) born 1697 died 151
 * 39) William Grylls Adams born 1936 died 1915
 * 40) Arnold Reymond born 1874 died 1858
 * 41) Vernon Huber born 1989 died 1967
 * 42) Ralph Judd born 1901 died 195
 * 43) Wallace Morgan born 1875 died 1848
 * 44) Juan de Dios Guevara born 1910 died 200
 * 45) Marieluise Claudius born 1942 died 1941
 * 46) Alexander Buller born 1934 died 1903
 * 47) Antal Stevanecz born 1861 died 1821
 * 48) Agnes Zimmermann born 1947 died 1925
 * 49) George Barbu Ştirbei born 1832 died 1825
 * 50) Augustine Vincent born 1684 died 1626
 * 51) Felicia Rudolphina Scatcherd born 1986 died 1927
 * 52) Francis McComas (painter) born 1975 died 1938
 * 53) Viktor von Tschusi zu Schmidhoffen born 1947 died 1924
 * 54) Ludmila Jeske-Choinska-Mikorska born 1849 died 1848
 * 55) František Bohumír Zvěřina born 1935 died 1908
 * 56) Max Eckert-Greifendorff born 1868 died 1838
 * 57) Norman Sterry born 1971 died 1879
 * 58) Nicholas Cresswell born 1850 died 1804
 * 59) Sir Herbert Croft, 9th Baronet born 1838 died 1802
 * 60) John Dawnay (MP) born 1786 died 1740
 * 61) Paw Oo Thet born 1993 died 1936
 * 62) Mary Roberts (author) born 1864 died 1788
 * 63) Otto Liiv born 1961 died 1942
 * 64) Karl Raphael Herder born 1865 died 1816
 * 65) Willard Hoagland born 1862 died 1836
 * 66) Sam Milai born 1980 died 1970
 * 67) Alice Barber Stephens born 1858 died 1832
 * 68) Antoine-Jacques Roustan born 1834 died 1808


 * - Reviewing these now - thanks Rich! GoingBatty (talk) 04:59, 28 January 2011 (UTC)
 * Think I fixed the rest of the people articles, except for Qeysar Aminpour, a stub with no other info. Want to share how you got this info, Rich?  Thanks again! GoingBatty (talk) 05:47, 28 January 2011 (UTC)
 * Yes I wrote custom program to scan the 28 Gdump of the article pages I had just downloaded. I am planning to integrate all my dump scans and make them automatic. This could be included. However I am also planning to explore more dynamic ways of doing stuff. Rich Farmbrough, 02:04, 29 January 2011 (UTC).

auto_ptr
There was a list of pages (such as mod_perl) from which not to remove the underscore. This should still be there, and that item can be added. Rich Farmbrough, 02:39, 28th day of January in the year 2011 (UTC).


 * AutoWikiBrowser/Pages with underscores in title. Already there. -- Magioladitis (talk) 13:00, 28 January 2011 (UTC)

Expand
Did Yobot remove all the remaining expands? I'm finding many were removed incorrectly by humans, who, presumably found checking 15,000 articles they know little or nothing about to hard. Rich Farmbrough, 02:39, 28th day of January in the year 2011 (UTC).


 * Almost yes. Yobot removed Expand in various runs as it was asked by others.
 * I converted all expand tags in sections to Expand section
 * I left any expand tag with parameters other than date to be removed manually by others.
 * I fixed most of the occurrences in "List of..." ages to Expand list.
 * For the rest (i.e. only date parameter and not in lists nor sections) I started by removing Expand from pages without talk pages and then to th rest starting from 2007 and going up to 2010. I think January 2011 was done manually. After each year I've been doing 1 day stop.
 * While Yobot was running, editors were removing manually tags too. This is cler becuse the number of transclusions kept going down.
 * I sent you the situation in the category Pages than need to be expanded by email. -- Magioladitis (talk) 09:06, 28 January 2011 (UTC)

orphan article and living people category
hello Magioladitis,

I wanted to ask you why you put a "bandeau" ( i do not know how to say it in english) on Simon Lamunière's article. There is s lot of wikilinks, maybe not engouh external (in fact this article is not yet complete).. Well if you could just check that.. In fact a lot of artist mentionned are on wiki, some events too. ... Let me know What I do not understand

Another question is about the pertinence of the Living people category, it sound to me always a little bit strange (but I am probably not informed) Living versus dead people ?

Thank for answering, --Ildiko Dao (talk) 09:23, 28 January 2011 (UTC)


 * Hi. Orphan tags refers to incoming links. This means pages that link TO your article. You have to find some pages that refer to this person and wikilinked them (i.e. add double brackets).
 * For the second question: Yes for statistical reasons AND reasons of protecting alive individuals from libel, extended vandalism, etc. we add this category to all of them.
 * I hope I helped. -- Magioladitis (talk) 09:28, 28 January 2011 (UTC)

Yobot adding erroneous WikiProject Biography tags
Yobot is adding lots of erroneous WikiProject Biography tags. Examples include Talk:Design, Talk:Arts, Talk:Artist, Talk:Riyadh, Talk:Riyadh, Saudi Arabia, Talk:SCR 1845A (all of which I fixed), plus many, many others. M AN d ARAX •  XAЯA b ИA M  10:00, 28 January 2011 (UTC)
 * Thanks. Now we have to find out how Yobot ended there. I ran in XX-th deaths category in depth 2. This used to be safe. -- Magioladitis (talk) 10:38, 28 January 2011 (UTC)
 * Found it. Instead of replacing my sandbox I just added content to it. I checked all the links for errors. -- Magioladitis (talk)

AWB version
Thanks this is a very recent version by my standards, and I am looking at dead end articles only so wfy isn't important. The code functionality places the new information last if the parameters don't match exactly. Since the order is irrelevant this hardly matters. Rich Farmbrough, 02:39, 29 January 2011 (UTC).


 * Yes but still it's much cleaner to add info in the pre-existing places. -- Magioladitis (talk) 03:20, 29 January 2011 (UTC)

Was there a policy change for this
In the most recent SVN of AWB it seems like it is replacing things like Wasn't with was not and I am not sure it should be doing that. I personally think that the usage of Was not vice wasn't and the like is needlessly formal language and makes the text of the article more difficult to read. I have also found it is doing it in templates such as the title in Cite web and in quotations and I don't think either of these are appropriate as well. I can provide diffs if you want but I wanted to mention it first in case there was a new change that implemented this first. --Kumioko (talk) 15:54, 29 January 2011 (UTC)
 * It has nothing to do with SVN. This is typo fixing which someone introduced and there is already discussion for that. Keep in mind tht we don't add grammar corrections in AWB's core code. -- Magioladitis (talk) 15:56, 29 January 2011 (UTC)
 * Oh ok that makes sense I thought it was rather strange thanks. --Kumioko (talk) 16:13, 29 January 2011 (UTC)

Talk:Jackson family
Okay, sorry for sounding harsh on your other talk page. Thanks for fixing ("fixing", I hope) this up! Best, --Discographer (talk) 20:01, 29 January 2011 (UTC)
 * No problem. I just don't have time right now to check exactly what caused it. There should be some unbalanced bracket somewhere. Rewriting the plugin will fix this. -- Magioladitis (talk) 20:22, 29 January 2011 (UTC)
 * Wow. 4 times wrong edit-revert before fixing it! -- Magioladitis (talk) 21:46, 29 January 2011 (UTC)
 * Yeh, this goes back to last November. Thanks so much for finding and fixing the problem. Best, --Discographer (talk) 00:42, 30 January 2011 (UTC)
 * I am happy to announce that KingbotK plugin 2.3.1.2 + AWB rev 7571 don't have the bug! :) -- Magioladitis (talk) 10:27, 30 January 2011 (UTC)

RE: AWB and pt.wiki
Thanks for the quick response! I'll warn the users. By the way, we are just finishing our new rules to aprouve bots, so i think that your may start the tests soon. When he gets permission i'll warn you ;) <span style="font-weight:bold; color:navy; text-shadow:grey 0.4em 0.4em 0.5em; letter-spacing: 2px; padding: 1px 3px;"> Alchimista talk with me 20:07, 2 February 2011 (UTC)

39th Infantry Division (United States)
Would you run Yobot on 39th Infantry Division (United States)? Thanks!Aleutian06 22:25, 4 February 2011 (UTC)
 * Done. nothing happened. -- Magioladitis (talk) 22:39, 4 February 2011 (UTC)
 * You had done it before, but I had made several revisions and I figured I had probably screwed a few more things up. Being from Arkansas, I qualify as an English as a second language submitter!. Aleutian06 (talk) 20:54, 24 February 2011 (UTC)

Article about Hans Ek, conductor
Dear Magioladits

I have published the article about conductor and arranger Hans Ek. It has this text on it: This article has multiple issues. Please help improve it or discuss these issues on the talk page.

I am not very familiar with Wikipedia but very familiar with Hans Ek. I know that every word in the article is the truth. Could you help me to get it veryfied.

Thank you, Per Sjöberg — Preceding unsigned comment added by Laddarn (talk • contribs) 10:02, 8 February 2011 (UTC)

Discussion about WikiProject Banner cleanup
I wanted to let you know that there is a discussion here about cleanup wikiProject banners --Kumioko (talk) 02:02, 11 February 2011 (UTC)
 * Replied. -- Magioladitis (talk) 09:45, 11 February 2011 (UTC)
 * Thanks. I also updated the banner code yesterday. I added a lot of the logic this time that I have been using. There are still a couple that I didn't add because they don't seem to work in C/regex like they do in the advnaced find and replace and I am having a problem with one of the edits in the bottom replacing {{{ with {{WikiProject Abortion so I wouldn't add it to Yobot yet. If you see what the problem is let me know and I'll fix it but I wanted to let you know anyway. --Kumioko (talk) 13:37, 11 February 2011 (UTC)
 * Ok I fixed the coding where it was converting {{{ to a wikiproject but some of the coding may still not be suitable for the bot. I'll let you decide what you wnat to use. --Kumioko (talk) 15:01, 11 February 2011 (UTC)

Question on a yobot edit
Hey, this is a minor issue, but I don't understand what the point of is supposed to be? Yoenit (talk) 18:45, 13 February 2011 (UTC)
 * The instructions in defaultsort say that every word (i.e. string with no blanks) must start with capital letter and all other letters must be written in lowercase. I know it's super minor but AWB fixes it for use. I guess it doesn't make any difference to the final result. -- Magioladitis (talk) 19:18, 13 February 2011 (UTC)

Space bug
I do not know if this is an AWB problem, but broke Chromosome. It saw that the lead started on the hat line, so inserted a newline. However, it left a leading space after the newline, with the result that the first paragraph of the lead was rendered wrongly (like &lt;pre&gt;). The diff fails to show the leading space; see the article to confirm it is broken. I fixed it am just letting you know. Johnuniq (talk) 01:25, 14 February 2011 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the report! I'll leave Rjw a note and we'll try to fix it. I never encountered it before. Very nice catch. -- Magioladitis (talk) 01:30, 14 February 2011 (UTC)
 * Fix dablinks moving & trailing spaces issue. -- Magioladitis (talk) 19:57, 14 February 2011 (UTC)

Georgia (country)
Hi. This user User:ComtesseDeMingrelie, always put a map of Georgia (country), where Abkhazia and South Ossetia not shown like dispute territories. This two countries, like Kosovo and future Southern Sudan, recognized by some countries in the World: Russia, Venezuela, Nicaragua, and others. I send to him a message, if he want to left old map, so he must begin discussion about that, and I would like to have you're support. I saw you're contribution in page's history. EGroup (talk) 20:57, 14 February 2011 (UTC)
 * Who on earth is this user:Magioladitis for you to be appealing to him? Just because he edited the page does not mean he wants to arbitrate daily disputes. If you want to discuss something discuss it with me. Moreover, if you bothered going through the discussions archive you would see plenty of that on the subject that interests you; this has been raised many times before. Magioladitis, I must apologize for this disruption, the user is clearly new to wikipedia.--<font color="Blue">ComtesseDeMingrélie  00:16, 15 February 2011 (UTC)

Biography articles without living parameter
Category:Biography articles without living parameter I hate to be your neighbor tonight because you are going to party long and loud. There are no more articles needing the living parameter... atleast till tomorrow when a thousand shows up. Bgwhite (talk) 22:53, 15 February 2011 (UTC)
 * Wow!!! That's great news!!! Ive been waiting for that day more than 2 years!!! Thanks for the great news! -- Magioladitis (talk) 23:22, 15 February 2011 (UTC)

Cleanup
Thanks for your help in leanup the text--Despotović (talk) 10:14, 19 February 2011 (UTC)

Yobot switching a few banners incorrectly
I noticed Yobot made a switch of CRWP with WikiProject Canada, instead of the proper Canada Roads WikiProject. I can only find one instance of this, but you may want to update that. -  ʄɭoʏɗiaɲ  <sup style="color:#3AAA3A;">τ <sub style="color:#3AAA3A;">¢  15:32, 19 February 2011 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the report. I'll fix it right now. -- Magioladitis (talk) 15:33, 19 February 2011 (UTC)
 * I'll replace it in order to avoid bugs from other bots. I've done this in the past as solution and it worked. -- Magioladitis (talk) 15:43, 19 February 2011 (UTC)
 * I updated my settings file. -- Magioladitis (talk) 17:00, 19 February 2011 (UTC)
 * Thank you :) -  ʄɭoʏɗiaɲ  <sup style="color:#3AAA3A;">τ <sub style="color:#3AAA3A;">¢  17:27, 19 February 2011 (UTC)

You probably shouldn't be doing those changes with AWB
I just wanted to warn you that I noticed you were doing some AWB edits some users would consider to be minor and might disapprove of. I personally agree that these changes are useful but since there is little community support against arbitrary and baseless claims these days I wanted to warn you not to risk losing your access like I did. --Kumioko (talk) 14:14, 20 February 2011 (UTC)
 * I also had all my subpages with my code deleted since they are no longer needed. --Kumioko (talk) 14:39, 20 February 2011 (UTC)
 * Edits you are doing like this one are exactly the types of edits that got my access revoked. You should stop doing these or risk having the same thing happen to you. --Kumioko (talk) 16:04, 20 February 2011 (UTC)
 * I'm not sure why you are reverting my reversions but have fun. There are only a few since I stopped when I saw you doing it. My ANI proves there is no consensus or the changes I made and there was no desire by the community for me to do them so I was only putting them back into a state that seems to be preferred. I can't win for losing. Cheers and Happy editing. --Kumioko (talk) 16:26, 20 February 2011 (UTC)
 * I replied to your talk page. You are confusing minor edits and those with no consensus. -- Magioladitis (talk) 16:29, 20 February 2011 (UTC)
 * Not really, there is no consensus over what constitutes a minor edit. I vague distinction I admit but not unlike the rule that is in place currently. I was only trying to put the articles back into a state that caused the disagreement but as I mentioned I have stopped so apparently the edits I made were acceptable and worth doing if they were worth reverting so at least that is some satisfaction. --Kumioko (talk) 16:33, 20 February 2011 (UTC)

Magioladitis, in this case I think Kumioko is right; you should not be only changing redirected WP banners as the only edit to the page. This would be a trivial edit under the spirit of rule #4. It's definitely not a good thing to be doing. --Errant (chat!) 18:02, 20 February 2011 (UTC)
 * Yes, I agree too. I am not doing it massively and not on purpose. Sometimes I make mistakes. I am human! -- Magioladitis (talk) 18:07, 20 February 2011 (UTC)
 * It's ok, I figured as much. was just pinging you about it :) --Errant (chat!) 18:11, 20 February 2011 (UTC)

Eric Lee (musician) page assistance
Re: Eric Lee (musician). Thank you for visiting my page on Eric Lee (musician). I noticed that you rate the page as a start class, which makes sense as it's a new page. What modifications can you recommend that would move it to a higher level? Mahalo (thank you) for your assistance. Meaono (talk) 17:49, 20 February 2011
 * Take a look in Version 1.0 Editorial Team/Assessment/B-Class criteria. -- Magioladitis (talk) 01:15, 21 February 2011 (UTC)

Removing garbage from templates
I wanted to let you know that in addition to the template cleanup I was doing with the banners I was also working on code that would do the same thing with some of the citation and infobox fields. For example here are the parameters I had for Cite web if missing: first, last, authorlink, at, language, trans_title, format, doi, archiveurl, archivedate, quote, ref, separator and postscript. I also removed Language if equal to english, I added format equals PDF if the url ended in pdf and fixed a bunch of spelling and punctuation problems with the parameters.

I also had about 20 or so infoboxes including person. I just thought I would let you know in case you were interested in doing those as well. --Kumioko (talk) 23:37, 20 February 2011 (UTC)
 * Thank you very much. Maybe Rjw is interested in the cite web part. You are doing a great job in the area of cleaning! -- Magioladitis (talk) 01:25, 21 February 2011 (UTC)
 * I noticed that you were going through cleaning up the garbage fields manually. Personally I think its completely ridiculous for you to have to do that when we have a tool like AWB available just because some editors have a broad interpretation of the minor edit rule. I certainly understand why the minor edit rule exists but i submit to you that is not the intent of the rule nor is that how it should be interpreted IMO. Its your time of course but I would say if your not allowed to use AWB to do it then its not worth doing manually. --Kumioko (talk) 22:33, 21 February 2011 (UTC)
 * Yes, I know :( We need a tracking category for invalid parameters like this one. It's a good reason for you to stay and help with good ideas. The last incident was mainly a misunderstanding by both sides with escalated too fast. Faster than my reaction time. -- Magioladitis (talk) 22:43, 21 February 2011 (UTC)
 * I must admit that I have found it hard to resist the occassional edit but I don't see my attitude changing much. I still think that too many editors are too worried about the policy than the content and this latest incident was only the latest in a series. If an editor only does 5 or 10 edits a day its easy to stop and debate an edit because they will be fairly rare. When your doing hundreds or thousands of edits a day those debates become exponential. We should be encouraging editors to do lots of edits because that's what improves the articles not setting limits on them to ensure that the watchlists don't fill up. As for the incident i don't blame you for it. Your the only one that seemed to give me the benefit of the doubt and assumed good faith everyone else had the attitude that if I was there it was for a reason and didn't bother to think that maybe it was unnecessary. --Kumioko (talk) 22:51, 21 February 2011 (UTC)

deletion of Template talk:GeoTemplate/mars
Why was the talkpage deleted? It should be a redirect to Template talk:GeoTemplate. —Stepheng3 (talk) 19:21, 21 February 2011 (UTC)
 * It was a deprecated template, now orphaned. Someone changed to a redirect a month ago but usual practice is to delete deprecated templates after they are orphaned. -- Magioladitis (talk) 19:37, 21 February 2011 (UTC)
 * I'm confused. Template:GeoTemplate/mars is not an orphan, nor is it deprecated.  It is used by GeoHack to provide links to Martian mapping resources.  Also, the template itself has not be deleted, only the talkpage. Who requested the deletion?  —Stepheng3 (talk) 00:56, 22 February 2011 (UTC)
 * Hm... you are right. It's not a redirect nor orphan. Thus I didn't delete it. I only delete the talk page which was a redirect to another talk page so that editors can comment on the specific page. -- Magioladitis (talk) 00:59, 22 February 2011 (UTC)
 * Will you mind if I recreate the talk page? The subpage in question gets very little discussion.  The redirect diverts discussion to a related venue with more eyeballs on it. —Stepheng3 (talk) 01:04, 22 February 2011 (UTC)
 * Restored. Sorry for the confusion. Thanks for contacting. -- Magioladitis (talk) 01:06, 22 February 2011 (UTC)
 * Thank you for your cooperation. —Stepheng3 (talk) 22:18, 22 February 2011 (UTC)

nested
I am sure you're aware that this sort of edit is not allowed by the AWB rules, because you've been engaged in several threads about them. What are you doing? &mdash; Carl (CBM · talk) 22:54, 22 February 2011 (UTC)
 * My edit rate is super low. I do 1 edit per 3 minutes. My stats at the moment yields: 70 edits and 3,000 pages skipped i.e. less than 2.5% of pages affected. -- Magioladitis (talk) 22:58, 22 February 2011 (UTC)
 * In same cases I did some extra stuff like fixed archives, removed auto parameter when the assessment was good, fixed things like nested-yes. -- Magioladitis (talk) 23:00, 22 February 2011 (UTC)


 * But this edit only bypassed redirects. There is no exception to the AWB rules for low edit rates: edits like that are not meant to be made with AWB, at all. As an AWB dev you're surely aware of that.  The edits have the appearance that you are running an unapproved bot job to remove the 'nested' parameter from talk pages; the pattern is completely clear, because you would not hit so many of them by luck. Please stop and get a BRFA before doing that any more.


 * (Also, according to toolsever you've made over 300 edits to talk pages today (excluding other namespaces), which would have 15 hours of manual editing today at the rate you suggested. And you've done 81 in hour 15. But the rate is irrelevant in the end.) &mdash; Carl (CBM · talk) 23:05, 22 February 2011 (UTC)
 * Yes. I am online for the last 15 hours doing only this after I noticed that we are fighting for 2,000 pages. I may missed some because I used awb only to load pages and most of the edits are manual. -- Magioladitis (talk) 23:21, 22 February 2011 (UTC)
 * You're saying that most of your last 47 talk page edits were made entirely manually, including all the template bypassing? That seems hard to believe, especially since they have all the hallmarks of AWB edits (edit summary, general fixes, redirect replacements). But in any case you need to get bot approval to do things like remove all the 'nested' parameters, since it has no effect on the article at all. Usually bots are not permitted to do that sort of thing. &mdash; Carl (CBM · talk) 23:28, 22 February 2011 (UTC)
 * I say that I did additional work manually. Check . Moreover I used normal F&R with no regex to make changes visible in edit summary. -- Magioladitis (talk) 23:34, 22 February 2011 (UTC)
 * My script to skip fails so in order to prevent my bot getting into trouble I think this is a slow but nice solution. -- Magioladitis (talk) 23:42, 22 February 2011 (UTC)
 * Anyway. I am tired. I stop for today. Sorry if I upset you. -- Magioladitis (talk) 23:52, 22 February 2011 (UTC)
 * The edit you linked is fine - I have no complaints, you fixed the "big" thing that was a failed attempt to make a section header. Even the edits that only add a section "untitled" above the comments at least do something visible to the article. I just wish that AWB was written in a way that would make it less likely for other edits to slip through. I know you have already done some good work to reduce the error rate and make it possible for people to skip edits that only do certain things; I think the current problem is the interaction with plugins, is that right? Earlier I was checking who the main editors were editing talk pages today, and I was just surprised to see your name near the top of the list with 300 edits today. &mdash; Carl (CBM · talk) 01:15, 23 February 2011 (UTC)
 * The main problem for me is the plugin. It crashes, duplicates banners, etc. but with this plugin I reduced the Biography articles with no living parameter to 0 in two years. Skip options seem not to work correctly, etc. I am trying with Reedy to rewrite it in C# but I am not a programmer and I have a real life too (It's crazy I know!) Only today I did the following commits:, , , in the direction of rewriting the plugins code. Four days ago we did some more . Check the changelog for more. We rewrote a big part of the code. (Recall I am not a programmer! I am learning!)  But I can't work if I have to see the plugin crash every 10 minutes due to wrong code in the page. In the bugs page you see only 1/4 of the bugs we find during our edits. Of course I want awb to do only valuable edits. I am not crazy. The plugin is supposed to have something for minor edits but it's not working correctly right now. Today's edits were also to test the new additions but I loaded twice a wrong list because of all today's pressure. Sorry for the inconvenience. I really I am. -- Magioladitis (talk) 01:47, 23 February 2011 (UTC)
 * That makes sense. I hate having to work with buggy things too. &mdash; Carl (CBM · talk) 01:57, 23 February 2011 (UTC)
 * We found the bug which was causing duplication of WikiProject Songs if a redirect of the template existed. One problem less. One reason to bypass templates less. -- Magioladitis (talk) 15:42, 5 March 2011 (UTC)

Im at a loss
I really don't know what else to do. It seems CBM has all the power and there is nothing that we can do to stop him. There is no reason to continue to discuss these issues with someone who will clearly do anything to prove his point. I would suggest that we start a discussion about the merits of these changes but I doubt that much would come of it. The force is simply to strong in him..Hes like a WikiYoda. Its just one more reason why I need to retire. The project has simply no need for people wanting to build articles anymore. --Kumioko (talk) 00:33, 23 February 2011 (UTC)
 * I am somewhere in the middle. I understand that some edits shouldn't happen at all. Those are the ones against consensus. There are some edits that shouldn't happen solely. I understand that too. But we should be a little flexible with this because this edits will eventually happen. That's my spirit. I don't like discrimination against awb users. But I have to stop because I don't like WP:POINT and maybe I was today. You have to calm down too. Carl gives very good advice of how to use awb correctly and has good ideas of how to improve editing. I don't like the situation at the moment. -- Magioladitis (talk) 00:46, 23 February 2011 (UTC)
 * I agree on all counts and I admit my temperment isn't the best. That's why I don't have a life. :-). Aside from that I agree that Carl is very good contributor and he has certainly got some bot programming skills but that doesn't mean that he is always right either and I believe that this perhaps is the time. His opinion is too back and white and there has to be some gray area. Hence the reason I think the AWB rules need to be adjusted. Good night. --Kumioko (talk) 00:58, 23 February 2011 (UTC)

Arkansas Militia and the War with Mexico‎;
Would you run Yobot on this article please, Arkansas Militia and the War with Mexico, Thanks! Aleutian06 (talk) 20:47, 24 February 2011 (UTC)
 * Magioladitis (talk) 10:07, 25 February 2011 (UTC)
 * Thanks I appreciate you work!Aleutian06 (talk) 12:08, 19 March 2011 (UTC)

WikiProject Space
Hi myself! Wikipedia needs you to replace WikiProject Space. Check instructions. -- Magioladitis (talk) 11:30, 25 February 2011 (UTC)
 * It's now empty thanks to Rich. Don't delete until the whatlinkto: empties. -- Magioladitis (talk) 00:24, 7 March 2011 (UTC)

== request of translation for Mérida, Venezuela, Campora San Giovanni and Feria del Sol (Mérida) in Greek..thank you so much--Lodewijk Vadacchino (talk) 13:35, 26 February 2011 (UTC) ==

Good Morning to you, Greeting from Calabria and from Venezuela, write you, if kindly you translate the article of Mérida in Greek, on the base of the English or German...and if kindly you could translate in Greek the Feria del Sol, festival typically of this Maravillouse City, that is receiving great international success. In Change I will translate you in Italian, Spanish and other Italian dialects on Wikipedia, an article of your interest, I deal me with biographies, history, some religion and geography, and other gendres. I am sure that we will find us in full accord. In a wait him of one certain answer of yours I thank you in advance of true heart.Thanks So Much--Lodewijk Vadacchino (talk) 13:35, 26 February 2011 (UTC)
 * this is my simple gift for you a Most Famous Song on Mérida with most Famous Merideña on The World Miss Univers 2009 Stefania Fernandez--Lodewijk Vadacchino (talk) 13:35, 26 February 2011 (UTC)

Yobot vs Headline text
Hi Magioladitis. I was doing some cleanup and noticed this edit, in which Yobot tagged "== Headline text ==" as an empty section. You may consider adding some logic to simply remove the header in that case, since an empty "== Headline text ==" section is almost certainly either an edit test or a mistake. Here is a another type of edit that could perhaps use some additional logic. Thanks! 28bytes (talk) 23:41, 26 February 2011 (UTC)
 * Thanks. I 'll look into it. -- Magioladitis (talk) 11:48, 27 February 2011 (UTC)

AWB 5.2.0.1?
Hi, on the AWB bugs page you mentioned AWB version 5.2.0.1. I have 5.2.0.0, and under "Help/Check for updates" it tells me that there are no updates available. http://sourceforge.net/projects/autowikibrowser/files/latest also points to 5.2.0.0. Where do you get 5.2.0.1? Thanks, AxelBoldt (talk) 16:46, 28 February 2011 (UTC)
 * Try downloading http://toolserver.org/~awb/snapshots/AutoWikiBrowser5201_rev7602.zip -- Magioladitis (talk) 16:59, 28 February 2011 (UTC)

Unicode
Thanks, all already fixed. Rich Farmbrough, 09:47, 1 March 2011 (UTC).

Invitation
I have reopened the discussion about two blank lines before stub templates here. Since I noticed you have taken an interest in this subject before, I cordially invite you to join there. Debresser (talk) 10:02, 1 March 2011 (UTC)

Edna Patterson Article
Magioladitis,

Article: Edna Patterson

With Edna Patterson's article there is no Discussion page or WikiProject Templates. I'm willing to put WikiProject Biography and WikiProject Espionage templates on her Discussion page. The thing is, I do a search for both her real name and alias. The information I get is from her own Wikipedia page and therefore leaves her "living" status in WikiProject Biography empty or unknown. Is that a problem to leave her "living" attribute empty? Adamdaley (talk) 00:01, 3 March 2011 (UTC)
 * If the person is possibly alive please add "living=yes". This is only to display a BLP message. We always try to be on the safe side on this subject. Replace with "living=no" only if the person is confirmed dead. -- Magioladitis (talk) 00:04, 3 March 2011 (UTC)

Yobot changing titles in citations
Yobot shouldn't be changing titles in citations as it did here, here and here. These are actual titles from the sources and not simply date ranges. They should be left as per the sources. I fixed the first one, only to have Yobot come back a few hours later, making it necessary to deny that article to the bot. --AussieLegend (talk) 08:58, 6 March 2011 (UTC)
 * I'll look at it. Please when you deny a bot, also write a reason somewhere so someone else can remove the tag when the issue is fixed. -- Magioladitis (talk) 09:34, 6 March 2011 (UTC)

Yobot making edits that are ambiguous for humans
Yobot changed the Equation of time article by changing "&amp;nu;" to "ν". In many fonts this cannot be distinguished on the computer screen from the Roman letter "v". Please do not change any HTML literals into characters that are difficult for a human editor to identify in any font. Jc3s5h (talk) 13:01, 6 March 2011 (UTC)
 * I think I fixed it for you. In my screen Greek letters inside var show different from those in math. -- Magioladitis (talk)


 * For one thing, your fix was wrong. For another thing, you missed the point. When an editor is working in editing software, which might or might not be the one supplied by Wikipedia, it is hard to the the difference between certain Greek letters and certain Roman letters, including but not limited to "v" and "ν". If the wikitext consists of "ν" it is hard to be sure which it is, but if the wikitext consists of "&amp;lambda;" it is easy to tell. So you should make a list of all the Greek letters, both upper and lower case, which look more-or-less like Roman letters, and always leave them alone when you encounter them in the form "&amp;spelled-out-letter-name;". Alternatively, just leave all the Greek letters alone. Jc3s5h (talk) 01:45, 7 March 2011 (UTC)

Test for my eyes: &nu;, $$\nu$$, ν, v -- Magioladitis (talk) 01:48, 7 March 2011 (UTC)

I think I fixed it now. Please check. WP:GREEK uses Greek letters and I think this is a general rule not to use html code when unicode exists. -- Magioladitis (talk) 01:53, 7 March 2011 (UTC)


 * WP:GREEK does not clearly define it's scope, but it makes no claim to applying to math variables, or for that matter, to any situation where there are individual Greek letters as opposed to Greek words. As for "I think this is a general rule not to use html code when unicode exists" I don't believe that; there are frequent objections to changing various small punctuation marks from HTML literals to Unicode characters because they cannot be readily identified by a human editor. I insist on a citation for your claim so I can challenge the rule, if it actually exists. Jc3s5h (talk) 02:03, 7 March 2011 (UTC)


 * Help:Displaying a formula is discussing more the math formulas. I'll investigate further. -- Magioladitis (talk) 02:10, 7 March 2011 (UTC)


 * Since this edit demonstrates that you have decided to ignore my complaint, I am requesting at Bot owners' noticeboard that Yobot be forbidden from changing HTML entities for Greek letters to Unicode characters. Jc3s5h (talk) 13:49, 6 May 2011 (UTC)
 * I didn't ignore but I don't have a solution to your problem. Not any based om the manual of style. -- Magioladitis (talk) 14:27, 6 May 2011 (UTC)

AWB edits
You said above you were sorry for the AWB problems. But your edits today on this account seem to include lots of edits like that are against the AWB rules. Would you please stop making these edits immediately, and not pick them back up the next day? You've been a participant in the conversations, and so you're certainly aware there are many objections to that sort of editing. &mdash; Carl (CBM · talk) 00:13, 7 March 2011 (UTC)


 * You're still doing exactly the same thing. Please stop and get consensus - it's clearly an unapproved bot job, just running at slow speed. &mdash; Carl (CBM · talk) 00:41, 7 March 2011 (UTC)
 * Which one? I am working manually fixing minor problems. I am done with testing the new snapshot/plugin for awb since yesterday. -- Magioladitis (talk) 00:43, 7 March 2011 (UTC)
 * In my last edits I also didn't use awb to load the pages which I don't like it. -- Magioladitis (talk) 00:45, 7 March 2011 (UTC)
 * (e/c) But they are clearly part of the same unapproved bot job. Your last sequence of edits are all trivial edits to remove "nested=yes". Things like "talkheader not needed" are not problems that need to be fixed. The pattern of your edits - every one involving "nested=yes" - suggests the edit summaries are just pretexts you are using in order to run the bot job to remove "nested". If that isn't what you're trying to do, then you need to turn off the "nested=yes" code so that that parameter is no longer removed, and is left the way it is.


 * However, the pattern of trivial edits is completely clear, and it needs to stop. Unfortunately, I don't know any other way to try to resolve this problem, which means I'm unfortunately going to have to post to ANI for the unapproved bot job if it continues. I'm very sorry about that, because I had hoped we would be able to work it out here. But at the moment, I feel like you have simply ignored everything that has been said (here and on the AWB discussion page) about trivial edits. &mdash; Carl (CBM · talk) 00:52, 7 March 2011 (UTC)
 * Well, it's not a bot job and I don't understand why is annoying. :( In my last edits I try to remove useless talk headers which are expanding around in contrary to rules of its use and do some other stuff. -- Magioladitis (talk) 00:54, 7 March 2011 (UTC)
 * When you make the same trivial edit to hundreds of pages, the bot policy requires approval for it. At the moment it's clear you're running an unapproved bot job to remove the "nested" parameter from all talk pages (there is no way to tell what software you use to run it, but the scale of the job makes it clear that it should be done by a bot). You know from the AWB talk page the reasons that large-scale runs of trivial edits are inappropriate ("annoying"), and you have been blocked before for the same problem. I cannot understand why you keep doing these things when you could be making more productive things. But you do need to respect the community consensus about not making these runs of trivial edits. &mdash; Carl (CBM · talk) 00:59, 7 March 2011 (UTC)
 * I insist it's not a bot. In the past, without the use of any software I fixed tenths of redlinks which needed manual observation. I'll stop editing for now but I am also tied with people adding talk header to every possible talk page ignoring the rules of its use. -- Magioladitis (talk) 01:03, 7 March 2011 (UTC)

I'll make a count of how many "nested" changes you've made recently. I agree about talkheader but if there was agreement it should be cleaned up, a bot would take care of it automatically. &mdash; Carl (CBM · talk) 01:07, 7 March 2011 (UTC)
 * I asked for a filter to catch new pages created with talk header only or with talkheader+wikiprojeccts but it was never implemented. One big burden is the nonstandard names of the wikiprojects. -- Magioladitis (talk) 01:12, 7 March 2011 (UTC)
 * If you have a list of the actual WikiProject banners, it's trivial to make a list of all templates that redirect to them by just making a database query on the toolserver. So it would not be hard in any way for a bot to do that; the nonstandard names can be detected and then recognized. It's true that AbuseFilter may not be able to, but it takes the right tool to do a job.


 * I ran a quick scan and 329 of your last 500 edits were to Talk: pages with "nested" in the diff. Manual inspection of diffs shows that the vast majority of these remove "nested", bypass redirects, or both. For example, Talk:Birmingham and Midland Institute and Talk:Nord-Sel. &mdash; Carl (CBM · talk) 01:17, 7 March 2011 (UTC)
 * My last 500 edits happened in a period of 10 days. Moreover, two days ago we finally fixed a bug of duplicating wikibanners (which wasn't as serious as I thought) and after that I write to my talk page that we now have a reason less to bypass redirects. I understand that this edits aren't great but they are not controversial and nor massive. An editor (check my section below) in a smaller period, without the use of any tool, created tenths of useless (at least into my eyes) redirects. I think we are losing the forest here. -- Magioladitis (talk) 01:23, 7 March 2011 (UTC)
 * The edits are controversial, though, at least in this sense: there was a lengthy discussion at the AWB talk page about it, and the AWB rules ended up getting tighter as a result, so that the rules explicitly mention edits that don't affect the rendered page. You were in those conversations, you know the points that were raised.


 * The edit count I made looked for diffs with "nested", so it skipped edits like . And the counts miss all the edits that Yobot has made that do the same thing. The overall scale of the job is more than large enough that a proper bot approval is worthwhile. One thing the approval process would have clarified, at least, is an exact count of the number of pages affected. It seems like at least a few thousand pages based on the edits I've seen. &mdash; Carl (CBM · talk) 01:45, 7 March 2011 (UTC)
 * First CBM just because you contest them doesn't make them controversial. It just means you are contesting a change that you don't agree with. 2nd the toolserver may be a trivial thing for you to do but it doesn't help the general editors trying to make sense of the talkpage garbage and it doesn't help tools like AWB to try and account for the literally thousands of variants of rederects. There are about 1700 WikiProject and most of those have at least 1 redirect, about half haave more than 3 and about 150 have at least ten. In the time you have spent contesting these changes you could have done a lot of useful edits, written some code enhancements to one of your bots,or any number of other things. Surely there are better things to do with your time then badger editors with this nonsense. --71.163.243.16 (talk) 23:23, 7 March 2011 (UTC)
 * Just a note for those who follow this discussion: The anonymous IP is not me. -- Magioladitis (talk) 10:41, 11 March 2011 (UTC)

Note to myself
Hi myself. Check this one Special:Contributions/Timesapple. -- Magioladitis (talk) 00:23, 7 March 2011 (UTC)

Thanks Yobot
a special Wikicookies for your good work on Women hockey pages on Wikipedia. Thanks, Merci beaucoup --Geneviève (talk) 23:34, 8 March 2011 (UTC)

Yobot shouldn't edit archived discussions
Hi Magioladitis, Yobot shouldn't make edits to archived discussions like it did at Featured picture candidates/Gay Head cliffs and Village pump/March 2004 archive 4. It especially shouldn't replace Unicode entities in the latter page, since it dates to the time before the English Wikipedia was upgraded to support them (which isn't mentioned in the linked Signpost article, but I'm 100% sure that Wikipedia didn't support Unicode entities before then). Graham 87 09:21, 9 March 2011 (UTC)
 * See this edit from 2005 about technical restrictions on page titles. Graham 87 09:25, 9 March 2011 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the heads up. I'll keep in mind. -- Magioladitis (talk) 10:46, 9 March 2011 (UTC)

Tree shaping
There is a proposed Topic Ban for Blackash and Slowart on Tree shaping related articles at the Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents As you have had some involvement with these editors in question, you may wish to comment. Blackash  have a chat 00:23, 11 March 2011 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the info but I can't recall my involvement to this. I'll give it a look. -- Magioladitis (talk) 01:26, 11 March 2011 (UTC)

Because You Left/Dr. Candle
Hello Magioladitis, I was wondering if you could possibly help out with the whole Because You Left article. A certain IP has become not only consistent in his/her vandalism, but he/she has become rather rude (please refer to the numerous diffs on their contributions page. Do you think you might be able to help in any way. Thank you very much. --HELLØ    ŦHERE 01:04, 11 March 2011 (UTC)
 * Re-protected page for one additional month. -- Magioladitis (talk) 01:11, 11 March 2011 (UTC)
 * The IP received a final warning. -- Magioladitis (talk) 01:16, 11 March 2011 (UTC)

Yobot & WP Food and Drink Banner
I guess I missed a run from November last year, Yobot made some changes to some food and drink related banner. It messed up the WikiProject Food and drink banner pretty badly, changing several variable fields from, , and  to , etc. Additionally, WikiProject Soft Drinks is defunct and it changed banners that were basically redirects. I just wanted to let you know. --<span style="font-family:lucida sans, sans-serif;">Jeremy (blah blah • I did it!) 08:07, 12 March 2011 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the report. I 'll check my settings file. Is anything else I can do? -- Magioladitis (talk) 09:18, 12 March 2011 (UTC)
 * I bypassed some redirects manually to ensure no other bots will do the same in the future. -- Magioladitis (talk) 01:35, 13 March 2011 (UTC)
 * very much for looking at that and making those changes, greatly appreciated. --<span style="font-family:lucida sans, sans-serif;">Jeremy (blah blah • I did it!) 08:01, 13 March 2011 (UTC)

AutoWikiBrowser/User talk templates
I noticed that AutoWikiBrowser/User talk templates has some red links for some templates and I wanted to let you know. I'm not sure if there is a reason for this so I didn't want to mess with them. --Kumioko (talk) 15:06, 12 March 2011 (UTC)
 * Old stuff. They need cleanup at some point but they don't really affect performance. -- Magioladitis (talk) 15:13, 12 March 2011 (UTC)
 * Ok cool. Happy editing. --Kumioko (talk) 15:31, 12 March 2011 (UTC)

Notification: changes to "Mark my edits as minor by default" preference
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Prescribed senior official
Simply dumping a "may need to be wikified to meet Wikipedia's quality standards." tag on the article isn't very helpful. How about some specific suggestions on the Talk page that I can actually deal with? Opbeith (talk) 16:58, 16 March 2011 (UTC)
 * Thanks for your reply at the Talk page. My apologies, it looks like it was the other person who added the Wikify tag, your links tag is understandable without explanation.  Thanks anyhow for your prompt response. Opbeith (talk) 08:09, 17 March 2011 (UTC)
 * Thanks for contacting. I would like try to help improve the article by adding some links at some point too. Check Template talk:Wikify. There is a discussion of how to make the tag more descriptive and give more specific instructions how to improve an article. -- Magioladitis (talk) 08:57, 17 March 2011 (UTC)
 * Thanks. The problem is that when an article has a big label all over the top of it saying that it "has multiple issues", that's likely to be understood by a lot of people as a big red warning "This article is rubbish - don't trust it". Opbeith (talk) 08:50, 19 March 2011 (UTC)

No references
Re: this edit, added a to a reference section. Wrongness should be self evident. JeepdaySock (AKA, Jeepday) 16:03, 18 March 2011 (UTC)
 * I don't know what is the right way to tag this afterall. If there are no references then should this section exist? Adding "nofootnotes" was a good move. -- Magioladitis (talk) 17:37, 18 March 2011 (UTC)
 * It is ok for section to exist, but adding "Empty section" to a reference or external links section that is empty is probably not appropriate. JeepdaySock (AKA, Jeepday) 10:52, 21 March 2011 (UTC)

206th Field Artillery Regiment (United States)
Would you run Yobot on this article? 206th Field Artillery Regiment (United States)Aleutian06 (talk) 22:20, 19 March 2011 (UTC) If you have more than 500 contribution in mainspace you could consider installing WP:AWB. Magioladitis (talk) 01:20, 20 March 2011 (UTC)

RE: Kingbotk not adding WikiProjectBannerShell
Thank you, Thank You, Thank you..... I've downloaded the SVN version and will be using that from now on. I have been bugging you guys lately (I'm a user... It's the only thing I know how to do), but I really do appreciate the hard work all the developers put towards AWB. Bgwhite (talk) 19:08, 20 March 2011 (UTC)
 * I'm trying to use User:Magioladitis/WikiProjects. I'm assuming I have to build this as a module.  When I build it, I get two errors at line 1703.  What am I doing wrong? Bgwhite (talk) 19:26, 20 March 2011 (UTC)
 * I fixed it now. Remove the line. -- Magioladitis (talk) 19:43, 20 March 2011 (UTC)
 * Thank you. Boy, this will save me some typing Bgwhite (talk) 20:19, 20 March 2011 (UTC)

I've seen a problem The module User:Magioladitis/WikiProjects runs first and then AWB does its magic. The problem is related to this bug. You guys are probably in beta mode and not able to add/fix anything not related to what you have already done. So, is there a way for me to have the module run after AWB had done its magic? Bgwhite (talk) 23:03, 21 March 2011 (UTC)
 * Could you perhaps, combine the above module with User:Yobot/Task_17? -- Magioladitis (talk) 00:24, 22 March 2011 (UTC)
 * Glad to see that codes getting some use from someone. I'll send you the last update in EMAIL if you want it. I never figured out how to not make it so greedy. You can but you'll have to use the multiple modules trick and I have never done that with different languages so I'm not sure what the result will be. It should work though. --Kumioko (talk) 00:50, 22 March 2011 (UTC)
 * Ok you should get the update anytime. I fixed quite a few things and added a bunch but you may want to cut some out since it involves deleting all those garbage fields the brought down the wrath. Good luck. --Kumioko (talk) 01:19, 22 March 2011 (UTC)
 * I updated the module. Thanks! -- Magioladitis (talk) 01:42, 22 March 2011 (UTC)
 * Happy as a child on Christmas day Using multiple modules works great. Thank you Kumioko for such a great module. It saves alot on typing.
 * Sorry for my "quirk". Ooold programming habits are hard to break.  I hate seeing different aliases for one value.  Oh the problems I've seen with that in the past.  I started working on a web site in spring of 1994 when everything was over a slow modem.  The days of removing every unused blank space to make the file smaller. So, when I add a listas or another parameter, I have this uncontrollable urge to "fix" everything else. Bgwhite (talk) 06:08, 22 March 2011 (UTC)

Spammer
Hi Magioladitis. How are you? :)
 * If possible, can you see this cross wiki spammer, please? I try to explain in the talk page... Thank you. Leandromartinez (talk) 09:53, 23 March 2011 (UTC)

birth_date params
Just wondering if it's worth setting up a separate talk page, say at Template talk:Infobox person/birth death params and writing up the aims of standardising the birth/date params in all the infoboxes and then posting it at Template:Centralized discussion to get some wider comments. -- WOSlinker (talk) 08:38, 26 March 2011 (UTC)
 * Yes, we should. I gave some reason in the discussion about the Infobox comic creator. I thought it was clear now that we should standardise infoboxes. Can you please start the page? And I'll join. -- Magioladitis (talk) 11:20, 26 March 2011 (UTC)
 * It will be useful to do it all in one central location rather than having to keep going over the same things on each infobox talk page. -- WOSlinker (talk) 11:35, 26 March 2011 (UTC)
 * OK. Let's do it. Please start it and I'll join. -- Magioladitis (talk) 11:42, 26 March 2011 (UTC)
 * I've made a start. -- WOSlinker (talk) 11:58, 26 March 2011 (UTC)

Verenigde State
Is it too late to add to your RFD nomination, should a new nomination be done for this? 65.93.12.101 (talk) 15:34, 26 March 2011 (UTC)
 * Just add it and let's see what the closing admin will say. -- Magioladitis (talk) 15:37, 26 March 2011 (UTC)

Possible problem with HTTP logic
Aftanoon. I just noticed you did this edit and it look like you accidentally changed http:// --> http://http://. --Kumioko (talk) 21:29, 26 March 2011 (UTC)
 * Look better. I did the opposite. -- Magioladitis (talk) 21:35, 26 March 2011 (UTC)
 * Lol, sorry about that Ive been staring at numbers all day and I guess there blending together. Sorry about that. --Kumioko (talk) 21:49, 26 March 2011 (UTC)
 * :) No problem. It's weird but the first time I looked it I saw the same thing with you. -- Magioladitis (talk) 21:51, 26 March 2011 (UTC)

Infobox GAA dualplayer
Actually, merging shouldn't be that difficult. I will work on it in a bit. Plastikspork <sub style="font-size: 60%">―Œ <sup style="margin-left:-3ex">(talk) 23:02, 26 March 2011 (UTC)

Yobot 19
Read thru the RfA and as I'm late to the party, thought I'd ask you first.

Wondering if a manual and automatic route would be best... If yobot can cut the backlog down to ~10,000 with the "weird" names left, such as asian, arabic. Then us minions can tackle the harder ones. Maybe run the other way... is there a good way to easily find the weird ones, minions tackle and then yobot comes in and finishes for the glory. Bgwhite (talk) 18:17, 28 March 2011 (UTC)
 * LOL. Manual is of course better for this job. The main problem is that for many cases we have no established rule. And this is independent from manual or automatic. -- Magioladitis (talk) 18:26, 28 March 2011 (UTC)
 * Agreed that many have no established rule and no way will be mistake free, but I was thinking in more general terms. For example, is there a way to grab Japanese bios with no listas?  I've been running around 50% of Japanese people living before 1900, plus there have been a few sumo wrestlers, which also use the old style of naming.  If the minions can knock them out, there would be alot fewer mistakes.  Running the other way would work too... have yobot run on names from people born in US, England, Mexico, etc.  I'm just thinking of a way where you don't have to add the permutations and also decrease the amount off mistakes.  Bgwhite (talk) 20:07, 28 March 2011 (UTC)
 * Cool idea. Can you please add this to the discussion there? -- Magioladitis (talk) 20:20, 28 March 2011 (UTC)
 * Do you know who I would ask to generate a report for me? I might as well work only on Asian/Arabic names Bgwhite (talk) 21:41, 29 March 2011 (UTC)

Another Idea. How about one of the minions go thru and clear out "weird" names in batches of 200 - 1000. You then come in and run your bot on those 200-1000 names. For example, I cleared out some "weird" names starting with the "A"... The first 400 names should be clear for you to run the bot. Bgwhite (talk) 08:47, 31 March 2011 (UTC)

Yobot reformatting issue
Most of Yobot's changes were correct, but in one case (Line 429 of the Zinc_finger article) it tried to move a comma before a reference and ended up putting the comma in between a string of four references. This probably happened because I had spaces in between subsequent ref tags and Yobot didn't realize these four refs were actually a series. I manually fixed other instances of spaces between adjacent ref tags. Adding the ability to remove spaces between adjacent references would be a nice addition to your bot. And it would keep it from generating odd comma placements in similar situations.ScienceGeekling (talk) 03:34, 29 March 2011 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the nice report and the suggestions. It's a nice idea. I think we were doing it but maybe i't's because there were more than two references in the row. I\ll give it a look. -- Magioladitis (talk) 08:47, 29 March 2011 (UTC)

Help with Tables
I don't know if this is one of your specalities, but I am trying to play with the collum with on the tables in Arkansas Militia in the Civil War. I would like to make Collum one wider and collum four narrower. Any ideas on how this can be adjusted? Aleutian06 (talk) 21:10, 29 March 2011 (UTC)

Islamic Holy Books
Did you (as Yobot) cut out my piece on "Yahya"? Is it because you disagree with the contents? Surely it cannot be regarded as just a minor edit,though?

If, however, there is a punctuation problem, then perhaps you could please help me fix it? ... I thought I was following the same format as used elsewhere. It might be best to write to my e-mail address - DLMcN@yahoo.com Regards, DLMcN (talk) 05:07, 31 March 2011 (UTC)
 * Yobot, didn't cut anything. It just fixed the style of the references. Check again. -- Magioladitis (talk) 09:38, 31 March 2011 (UTC)

Yobot comment
I noticed Yobot making some repetitive edits on a single article (see and ). It seemed unable to detect that within one citation, there were multiple double-pipes. Rather than wait for it to come back, I just fixed the rest myself. Might be a feature worth adding, though. --Fru1tbat (talk) 15:07, 31 March 2011 (UTC)
 * Sorry! Just noticed you already noted this on your user page earlier today. --Fru1tbat (talk) 15:11, 31 March 2011 (UTC)
 * Thanks. I also contacted Rjw already about the bug. Now reporting it in AWB's page too. -- Magioladitis (talk) 15:15, 31 March 2011 (UTC)

pt:Wikipédia:Robôs/Pedidos de aprovação/Yobot
Now that we have our Bot Aproval Group, you can start the test period. I left a comment there about correcting one error in checkwiki.

I dont know if it would be useful for you, but I would like if you could take a look at our script at Project AWB. It is somewhat big, many rules, maybe need a update (since some rules may be done with general fixes), and since its in portuguese it may be diFficult. But since you know so much about this, can you take a look? This is the link: (in megaupload).

I dont use the general fixes since it puts the category and iws to the end, and sometimes this means placing a incorrect text (potential vandalism) before categories, removing the article from the Checkwiki error. Whenever I correct these errors in checkwiki I find many vandalisms. What do you think about this? Should I use the general fixes, or not? Or better, I used to use AutoWikiBrowser/Custom Modules to remove only this function, but seems that it isnt updated, am I right? Rjclaudio (talk) 16:20, 31 March 2011 (UTC)
 * Thanks. I replied in Portuguese talk page. I downloaded the settings file. Probably work on them during weekend.
 * I use general fixes. I also noticed that the vandalism text is moved on top of categories but that isn't a big problem. It's placement in the visual result doesn't change. I think general fixes are ok to use but with caution. That's why I want to help on that with your contribution of course.. They aren't fully adjusted for pt.wiki yet. I'll have a look to the custom module too. -- Magioladitis (talk) 09:16, 1 April 2011 (UTC)

Yobot faulty edit
Had to revert the following edit by Yobot. Looks like it got confused by nested 82.1.57.194 (talk) 02:06, 3 April 2011 (UTC)
 * Thanks. The problem was caused by unbalanced brackets inside a reference. I fixed it. After that the general fixes work fine. -- Magioladitis (talk) 08:33, 3 April 2011 (UTC)

My AWB access
Sorry it took so long to respond I just noticed your comment. I've been out of town for a couple days on business and wasn't able to edit. I find your conditions acceptable especially since I wasn't solely editing redirects anyway. I still believe that CBM should do it as the one who revoked it but since its obvious at this point he's not going to do the right thing, and although his failure limits what I can do its also adversely affecting WikiProject United States, various other projects and tasks not to mention adversely affecting the pedia as a whole, your help is greatly appreciated. --Kumioko (talk) 00:56, 4 April 2011 (UTC)
 * Restored. Please remember to download the latest snapshot before using AWB again. -- Magioladitis (talk) 01:35, 4 April 2011 (UTC)
 * Thanks I already updated it. --Kumioko (talk) 01:50, 4 April 2011 (UTC)
 * "I find your conditions acceptable especially since I wasn't solely editing redirects anyway". Please note that doing what you were doing before would lead to you losing access again. The main result of the discussions seems to be that the written AWB rules became more restrictive, so that cosmetic changes are more clearly not allowed. &mdash; Carl (CBM · talk) 01:54, 4 April 2011 (UTC)
 * At Kumioko: Copying a comment for your talk page: If a project reacts in redirect bypassing then remove from your list and don't use AWB to solely bypass redirects. You 'll have to seek consensus for your actions. This will help us all to avoid drama in the future. -- Magioladitis (talk) 08:04, 4 April 2011 (UTC)
 * To Carl, Aside from the following statement I really have little to say to you. I also think that any response to you is pointless because I think you lack the maturity to make the correct decision or to disengage at this point and I think you are going to scrutinize my every edit to find a reason to revoke my access again. You refused to open up a discussion and instead revoked my access. You then refused to reinstate my access or to assist WPUS with the fallout from your actions due to the large numbers of things I was doing for the project prior that WPUS was not able to do. As far as I am concerned I don't have to explain myself to you but I am doing as Magio has asked because I trust and respect his advice and judgement. In the future I suggest you concentrate on what your doing with the math project and the various programming tasks you do and let another admin take action against me if needed. You are too involved; open up an ANI against me if you have too but I don't trust you to do the right thing. --Kumioko (talk) 12:05, 4 April 2011 (UTC)
 * I will do what is useful to help the project. I am "involved" with you only in the sense of an administrator (see WP:INVOLVED). Magioladitis is surely more "involved" with AWB than I am, so perhaps you're arguing he should not be restoring your access either? In any case, if you follow the AWB rules in the future then the problem will be resolved. &mdash; Carl (CBM · talk) 13:21, 4 April 2011 (UTC)
 * I'm not going to turn M's talk page into a battleground but you far overstepped your admin role and took a personal interest in it based on your feelings about the edits I was making. You seem to believe that whats good for the project is what you say but remember this isn't CBMpedia its Wikipedia and you are not the sole voice. I think it would have been more appropriate for you to reinstate my access or else you could do the WPUS related tasks yourself rather than forcing others to do the dirty work you are unwilling to do. You might be good at math but your logic is flawed. I also do not think that the AWB rules of use are going to keep you from scrutinizing all my edits either and I am certain you will find a reason soon to revoke it again regardless of the merits of my edits. Its because of you that the AWB rules of use were modified and a new rule was added. In time I am sure you will convince the community that AWB is bad and all bots should be left to "real programmers" like you. It should also be noted that I have seen several of your bots including Verblen bot doing edits that could be argued as minor and trivial and against the rules and yet your not screaming to stop those so I am left with the opinion that you think that the rules apply to others and not to you. --Kumioko (talk) 13:47, 4 April 2011 (UTC)
 * I think you still fail to understand that the AWB rules do not apply to bots that go through the bot approval process. Like I said, as long as you follow the rules you'll be fine. &mdash; Carl (CBM · talk) 14:10, 4 April 2011 (UTC)
 * AWB should not be held to a higher standard than bots. If the edit isn't appropriate for editors to do in a semimanual fashion then they re not appropriate to do in an automated fashion. Bots have been approved before and made mistakes but I left a comment on you talk page about the specific issue. Maybe I will be ok but since the rules are so subjective I just don't believe you. I just can't trust you at this point. --Kumioko (talk) 14:15, 4 April 2011 (UTC)
 * I'm sorry you can't trust me. Just follow the AWB rules and you'll be fine. &mdash; Carl (CBM · talk) 14:19, 4 April 2011 (UTC)

Please, if you want to continue this discussion, this isn't the right page to. -- Magioladitis (talk) 09:56, 6 April 2011 (UTC)

small tags in references
Yobot removes small tags in references, like here: I admit I prefer the version with the small text for the quote. Is there any decision that this shouldn't be done? --OpenFuture (talk) 06:30, 4 April 2011 (UTC)
 * For instance if you use the quote in any of the cite templates you 'll see that all parameters are of the same size. The main idea is that references are already smaller size and going two sizes down makes text impossible to read. This subject is partially covered in WP:FONTSIZE. I am sure that there is one for references too but I'll have to find it (the one for images is in MOS:CAPTIONS). I can only find WP:CITEVAR right now. -- Magioladitis (talk) 08:00, 4 April 2011 (UTC)
 * OK, looking at the page in question I see that quote= isn't being used. A massive update of the references there to use it is needed. Thanks! --OpenFuture (talk) 10:02, 4 April 2011 (UTC)

Budapest String Quartet
Hi Magioladitis:

Per MOS:HEAD, Headings should not normally contain links, especially where only part of a heading is linked.

At Budapest String Quartet I have done just that in two different headings, as
 * === Recordings for HMV/Victor through 1938 include ===, and
 * === Recordings for Columbia from 1940 include ===

I did not originally set up or organize the page with these headings, but I did tidy them up last year, and inserted the two links at the same time that I was adding a considerable amount of new material.

I think the links are important to be provided, especially the otherwise obscure and confusing HMV/Victor. It seems to me that putting these links somewhere other than in the headings would require adding a redundant text line, and the cleaner solution in this instance would be to leave them as is. Please let me know if you have a better suggestion. Thanks very much for your help. Milkunderwood (talk) 11:52, 5 April 2011 (UTC)
 * Thanks for contacting with this nice message and for retaining the punctuation fix. I'll give the article a look later. -- Magioladitis (talk) 12:02, 5 April 2011 (UTC)

Hello
Could you please take a look at my request for confirmed access. It is right here. Thanks and cheers. <font face="times new roman"> maucho eagle   23:02, 5 April 2011 (UTC)
 * I'm sorry, but you need more edits in mainspace before getting access to AWB. I left a comment in AWB's page. -- Magioladitis (talk) 09:51, 6 April 2011 (UTC)

Incorrectly moved decimal point
Part of this edit by Yobot moved decimal points that are part of a goalie's save percentage to before a reference. This incorrectly puts the references for Nabokov in the middle of the save percentage value. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 174.119.19.211 (talk) 06:51, 6 April 2011 (UTC)

Yobot on pt.wp
Hello there, we cannot change the bot to autoconfirmed, so could you please make about 10 edits with the bot? Should be enough. ~By the way, haven't seen you on irc :s <span style="font-weight:bold; color:navy; text-shadow:grey 0.4em 0.4em 0.5em; letter-spacing: 2px; padding: 1px 3px;"> Alchimista talk with me 14:07, 6 April 2011 (UTC)

Interesting Yobot behaviour
This edit of Mutual Black Network shows Yobot doing two things that are individually unproblematic, but not entirely helpful done together:


 * 1) Adding an "uncategorized" tag because the article contains no working category link
 * 2) Repairing a broken category link

Result: an article with a working category link and an "uncategorized" tag. —Paul A (talk) 07:14, 7 April 2011 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the report. This is a known issue. It can't do much better in a single run at the moment. We drag information from the server to check whether the page is categorised or not and since the page has no categories before it was edited, the page is considered to be uncategorised. We have a solution but only for articles about persons where we look if AWB added any categories. A solution we have though is to have Yobot perform general fixes twice in a single run. -- Magioladitis (talk) 07:32, 7 April 2011 (UTC)

More Yobot
Any comments? Gimmetoo (talk) 15:21, 7 April 2011 (UTC)
 * An edit that appears to just be replacing a redirect.
 * An edit which changes a template to a different one with different functionality.


 * They are both known issues. I 've idea why it keeps trying to move Skip to talk on the top when it's already there (this is the real problem there. The redirect skipped is only result of this internal function called). It's on my list though.
 * We wrote the function this way in a period that the first template seemed that I will be replaced completely and there were bots adding collapsed if needed. Should we change it? -- Magioladitis (talk) 18:08, 7 April 2011 (UTC)

Determining redirects in AWB
I am going to be tagging some more articles soon and I was wondering what the best way of determining if an article is a redirect if I am looking at the talk page. The only way I have been able to determine this (and its less accurate than I like) is to factor out all the redirects and then change to the talk page and assess them that way. --Kumioko (talk) 17:49, 7 April 2011 (UTC)

Yobot's edit to Quotation mark
Posting here as I don't believe this needs to stop Yobot. I've reverted the [ edit] made to Quotation mark which removed the curly quotes, since the article is predominantly about the use of those quotes. Just a heads-up in case you can treat this as a false positive in future. — cBuckley (Talk • Contribs) 18:10, 7 April 2011 (UTC)
 * Ooops. Sorry. It won't happen again. It was one off. -- Magioladitis (talk) 18:25, 7 April 2011 (UTC)

Removing my edit request
What? You do realize that HAL 9000 is still screwed up, and there are likely hundreds more. Please roll back today's edits to infobox character, then check to make sure they are all using sane syntax, then re-enable the tracking. 198.102.153.2 (talk) 23:25, 12 April 2011 (UTC)

Yobot's edit to functional equation
Hey there -- functional equation was edited last by Yobot. When I viewed the article, everything but the first paragraph was gone and replaced by a bold red 'missing references' error message. I reverted the change, but, oddly enough, when I checked the history, that version displayed fine, so I un-reverted. I'm not sure what to make of that, since the page was broken every time I checked before, but the problem still could have been on my end. Just letting you know. Vladimirdx (talk) 05:11, 14 April 2011 (UTC)

Possible problem with AWB
I have been having a small editing problem with AWB lately but I am not 100% sure if its my edits or AWB. I have disabled all my edits but it still seems to occur and I have only seen this on talk pages. If there is something there that is repetetive more that 3 times (like this for instance 1, 000, 000, 000) AWB seems to replace it with something that looks like this: 1, /1000 replacing the middle 2 duplicate groups with /1. I have also seen this a few times when someone leaves a comment like No, No no no no, where it tries to replace some of the no's with /1. Before I write this up though I was wondering if that is something that you have seen yet. --Kumioko (talk) 15:44, 15 April 2011 (UTC)
 * Sorry nevermind I just saw your comment. --Kumioko (talk) 16:06, 15 April 2011 (UTC)
 * Something must be wrong with the settings file you saved as default. -- Magioladitis (talk) 16:18, 15 April 2011 (UTC)
 * Thanks. --Kumioko (talk) 15:07, 17 April 2011 (UTC)

Yobot
It's making inconsequential changes again and making a mess of my (and no doubt hundreds of others') watchlist. It seems to have made hundreds of edits changing infobox actor to infobox person, but the former redirects to the latter, so what is the point of those edits? In some cases it's also making edits to the markup, which don't affect how the article displays, labelled as general fixes. Because of this, I've blocked it. If and when it's fixed, you can get any other admin to unblock it, but please don't unblock it yourself. HJ Mitchell &#124;  Penny for your thoughts?   13:01, 17 April 2011 (UTC)
 * And why you just didn't stop it? -- Magioladitis (talk) 13:04, 17 April 2011 (UTC)
 * Because that would have been less dramatic and would not be how Wikipedia works.:-) --Kumioko (talk) 15:00, 17 April 2011 (UTC)
 * If you make the same edits the bot was blocked for, you will be blocked too. Prodego  <sup style="color:darkgreen;">talk  16:38, 17 April 2011 (UTC)
 * If you make disruptive edits, you may be blocked too. -- Magioladitis (talk) 20:18, 17 April 2011 (UTC)
 * I don't imply you do. I imply that in hypothetical questions you take hypothetical answers. -- Magioladitis (talk) 20:25, 17 April 2011 (UTC)

Task
Hi I have already responded to task with footbal pages for bot, if you want we can do it together... That user who requested it asked on more pages so I didn't see you answered to it Petrb (talk) 16:47, 18 April 2011 (UTC)
 * I'll start later today or tomorrow. It depends of when my bot will get unblocked. Thanks for the heads up. -- Magioladitis (talk) 17:37, 18 April 2011 (UTC)

Yobot
I have revoked approval for Yobot B following a discussion with H3llkn0wz (who was not aware that Yobot was blocked at the time) on irc. Please note that using a seperate user account to evade a block is not acceptable, and you should instead get the previous account unblocked. Speaking of which, I have unblocked the original Yobot. This is with the understanding that you will not use an automated means, or AWB, to make cosmetic changes in the future. Changes which do not change the actual output of the page are, in general, not appropriate when being made with a bot, or AWB. And these changes had not been approved at BRfA. This is per the bot policy and AWB's terms of use. Please feel free to continue using Yobot and AWB in ways which are supported by policy. Thanks, - Kingpin13 (talk) 13:28, 19 April 2011 (UTC)
 * Just wondering but if these rules are going to be enforced all of a sudden are they going to apply to the dozens of other bots doing similar edits? It seems like this bot is being singled out when there are so many other bots doing edits that are even less useful than the ones being made here. --Kumioko (talk) 15:01, 19 April 2011 (UTC)

My request is independent from the block. With the current situation my bot gets blocked for things I could just been stopped, making impossible to run other tasks until some issues clear. Some people think block is more efficient than just contacting.

In my opinion diving my task in 3 or 4 parts has many advantages: -- Magioladitis (talk) 15:10, 19 April 2011 (UTC)
 * Some tasks are bug-free. They should be running when others tasks fail.
 * I plan to give some task to other willing editors in the future. I don't plan to perform for years daily tasks that require hours.
 * It's easier to check edit history.
 * It's easier to spot which task is running.

AWB logic for adding the Ibid template
Greetings and good afternoon to you. A user just asked me on my talk page why I added an ibid tag to an article and I had to confess I didn't know why AWB was doing that. What logic does AWB employ to determine if this tag is needed? --Kumioko (talk) 20:34, 19 April 2011 (UTC)
 * Answered on your page. -- Magioladitis (talk) 07:46, 20 April 2011 (UTC)

User:Damon.cluck/39th Division History for Roundtable
Can you run Yobot on an article in my userspace? User:Damon.cluck/39th Division History for Roundtable This is a modification of the main ariticle 39th Infantry Division (United States). I have made some changes for a presentation that I am going to do for a history group. I plan to print it using the build a book feature. Thanks! Aleutian06 (talk) 23:30, 19 April 2011 (UTC)
 * Done. I did most of the stuff manually. A lot of unbalanced brackets. Consider installing AWB. -- Magioladitis (talk) 07:48, 20 April 2011 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the help!. I am not sure what an unbalance bracket is?Aleutian06 (talk) 19:42, 20 April 2011 (UTC)
 * There were left parentheses without right ones. -- Magioladitis (talk) 20:16, 20 April 2011 (UTC)

Tracy Kavanagh
As this article had been previously proposed for deletion and that proposal declined, I've had to decline your PROD as well. I would encourage you to send this to AfD. Cheers, --joe deckertalk to me 01:11, 20 April 2011 (UTC)
 * Thanks. I haven't noticed. I sent it for AfD. -- Magioladitis (talk) 17:42, 22 April 2011 (UTC)

Yobot determination of stub length
You might be interested in User:Dr pda/prosesize.js which I believe is what DYK use for calculating article prose length and seems to be pretty comprehensive.  Sp in ni ng  Spark  19:48, 21 April 2011 (UTC)
 * Thanks! I'll take a look! -- Magioladitis (talk) 22:40, 21 April 2011 (UTC)

Infobox cricket
I undid your change to Template:Infobox cricketer. I can see what you're trying to do, but it made pages display incorrectly. For example: " {{{name|Stephen Newton ", " {{{name|Herbie Hewett ". Feel free to make the change again if you can get it to display properly this time.  Harrias  <sup style="color:#009900;">talk 17:35, 22 April 2011 (UTC)
 * OK. Thanks. I might have forgotten something. I'll check it. -- Magioladitis (talk) 17:37, 22 April 2011 (UTC)
 * Fixed now. -- Magioladitis (talk) 17:41, 22 April 2011 (UTC)
 * Thanks, looks good now. I probably could have worked it out myself given a bit of time, but too tired for that!  Harrias  <sup style="color:#009900;">talk 17:42, 22 April 2011 (UTC)
 * At least you got in the trouble to contact me! I had to check before saving. All's Well That Ends Well. -- Magioladitis (talk) 18:02, 22 April 2011 (UTC)

BAGBot: Your bot request Yobot 19
Someone has marked Bots/Requests for approval/Yobot 19 as needing your input. Please visit that page to reply to the requests. Thanks! AnomieBOT ⚡ 20:44, 22 April 2011 (UTC) <small style="color:gray">To opt out of these notifications, place  anywhere on this page.
 * Done. Test runs completed. -- Magioladitis (talk) 00:13, 26 April 2011 (UTC)

False positive?
Pretty sure that here you were intending to do something with the infobox and not the url of one of the references? In any case, it wrecked the reference, so in future you may want to make your bot can't edit urls when going on runs like that. Cheers, Jenks24 (talk) 19:58, 26 April 2011 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the report. I'll fix it. -- Magioladitis (talk) 20:55, 26 April 2011 (UTC)

Saints of Islam
May I know why you nominated the infobox for deletion?--Imadjafar (talk) 09:35, 27 April 2011 (UTC)
 * We already have a general infobox for all saints independent of religion. We try to have generic infoboxes as possible. This makes things easier for new editors to remember them by heart. -- Magioladitis (talk) 09:37, 27 April 2011 (UTC)

Your idea is wonderful, but is not the infobox saint for Christian saints? It would be great to use the regular one if possible.--Imadjafar (talk) 09:47, 27 April 2011 (UTC)
 * Not only for Christians. We can just add the things you think are missing so it works for all saints. -- Magioladitis (talk) 09:49, 27 April 2011 (UTC)
 * Compare Template:Infobox Muslim Saint and Template:Infobox saint. -- Magioladitis (talk) 09:51, 27 April 2011 (UTC)

Oh ok, that is very helpful. Muslim saints require categories on major works, tradition/genre (ie. Chisti or Darqawa), disciples, and teachers.--Imadjafar (talk) 09:56, 27 April 2011 (UTC)
 * I added the 4 missing fields in Infobox saint. We are almost done. You 'll have to fix my descriptions in Template:Infobox saint/doc. -- Magioladitis (talk) 10:06, 27 April 2011 (UTC)

They are perfect. Thank you. Can you help change the Muslim saints infoboxes to the saint infobox on the following pages: Uwais Qarni, Rudbari, Nuri --Imadjafar (talk) 10:14, 27 April 2011 (UTC)
 * I fixed all. Can I delete it now? Thanks for the great cooperation! -- Magioladitis (talk) 11:25, 27 April 2011 (UTC)

No problem! The infoboxes look wonderful, thanks!--Imadjafar (talk) 13:28, 27 April 2011 (UTC)

Can you please help attach the saint box to more pages?--Imadjafar (talk) 15:04, 27 April 2011 (UTC)
 * You have to tell me in which pages I should do it. And I am not sure what information I could add to them to be honest but I can try adding only the basic stuff. -- Magioladitis (talk) 15:34, 27 April 2011 (UTC)

Please help in adding the infobox to Muhammad's Ten Blessed Companions, as well as all the saints in Tadhkiratul Awliya, as well as one for the patriarchs of the Hebrew Bible, such as Eber, Enoch, Seth, Kenan and Shem. Also please help in adding the infobox for saints from the Golden Legend, whom don't have the infobox yet. --Imadjafar (talk) 18:01, 27 April 2011 (UTC)

A chicken for you
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Yobot 19
I know I'm being needy and selfish. I want to see the the count of articles without listas to go down to make me feel like I'm accomplishing something... I'm starting to get frustrated as I'm going thru the weird names starting with "F" because their are soooo many. I don't know how bot approval works. Is there a way I/You can run it in batches of 100 names with a print out of what it put in for listas? That way, if it didn't sort via surname, given name, it can be checked manually. I wouldn't run thru a batch of names without JimCubb, Mandrax or you taking a look at it first. You guys can spot honorific titles or a special name better than I could. Also, is there a way to print out if the listas is different from the Defaulsort value. That way we can fix the defaultsort at the same time. Bgwhite (talk) 20:41, 29 April 2011 (UTC)
 * I like that you are involved in this! My suggestion is that you install WP:AWB and experiment a bit by looking at the results doing the job manually. My script in in Yobot's page and I can help you modify it if needed. My bot is blocked due to conflict to another task. I asked to split the tasks in various accounts but it was rejected by BAG for reasons I can't understand exactly. I can grand you AWB access etc. and see if you can do the task. If everything goes good you could also apply for a bot account to perform the task if you like! -- Magioladitis (talk) 10:46, 30 April 2011 (UTC)
 * I've been doing the listas with AWB and Yobot17's module and Kumioko's module. See [| here].  I've actually been doing it with two AWB windows open.  One for the talk page and one for the main article page.  If Defaultsort or persondata hasn't been applied on the main article, I add it.  Also check if defaultsort is wrong.  I then apply class, *-work-group, etc on the talk page.  I've been somewhat following on why Yobot has been blocked.  I come from a computer background where uniformity is paramount, so I agree with Kumioko's and your stance.  I will look at doing a bot later on today.  I really appreciate your work on AWB and how you have helped me.  Bgwhite (talk) 18:17, 30 April 2011 (UTC)
 * It makes me really happy to know that some people appreciate my work on the project. -- Magioladitis (talk) 22:11, 1 May 2011 (UTC)
 * I asked a BAG and they suggested I file a new request. So... Bots/Requests for approval/Yobot-19BG.  I hope I did everything right.  Bgwhite (talk) 06:50, 3 May 2011 (UTC)

Trivial edits
You are using your main account to make the same trivial edits your bot was blocked for. This is technically evasion of a block. Please stop. Courcelles 15:14, 3 May 2011 (UTC)
 * These are not bot edits. -- Magioladitis (talk) 15:15, 3 May 2011 (UTC)
 * But they are the exact same edits. No visible change to output. That they are done without a bot flag makes little difference. Courcelles 15:17, 3 May 2011 (UTC)
 * These edits will enable us to soon do things like these. -- Magioladitis (talk) 15:18, 3 May 2011 (UTC)
 * Anyway, I stop and I 'll give some statistics of how much amount of work is to be done. -- Magioladitis (talk) 15:20, 3 May 2011 (UTC)

AWB edits
Please be careful, in this edit you made automated changes to main text where you meant to edit template fields. <b class="IPA">r<font color="#8B0000">ʨ anaɢ</b> (talk) 21:35, 4 May 2011 (UTC)
 * I was not automatic. It was semi-automatic. This means I asked AWB to replace all instances of birthdate with birth_date but I didn't notice that the changes extend further than I thought. I probably have to slow down. -- Magioladitis (talk) 22:01, 4 May 2011 (UTC)
 * Yes, slowing down is what I was suggesting. I understand how AWB works. <b class="IPA">r<font color="#8B0000">ʨ anaɢ</b> (talk) 22:41, 4 May 2011 (UTC)
 * I'll try :) Thanks for the report. -- Magioladitis (talk) 23:11, 4 May 2011 (UTC)

Refs before punctuation for User:Jacobisq
User:Jacobisq has been doing a lot of work, mainly in the psychology field, where he has been placing refs before punctuation. He now realises this is wrong and now does refs after punctuation. I started wading through and correcting his old work manually but wonder if you could get a bot to do this. Thx. You can reply here. Penbat (talk) 15:06, 6 May 2011 (UTC)
 * I can go through his last xxxx edits and fix. My pleasure. -- Magioladitis (talk) 15:21, 6 May 2011 (UTC)
 * Out of interest i see Yobot currently scanning some articles such as Sematics of bullying to check for WP:REFPUNC but still only a small proportion of Wiki articles ever get checked. What selection criteria does Yobot use to decide to scan an article automatically and is it not feasible to scan all articles ? Penbat (talk) 15:52, 6 May 2011 (UTC)
 * I only scan the pages that appear in the toolserver. Check http://toolserver.org/~sk/cgi-bin/checkwiki/checkwiki.cgi?project=enwiki&view=low I did a self-scan recently and found another 30k of pages. I'll be glad to do more. -- Magioladitis (talk) 15:59, 6 May 2011 (UTC)
 * Fixed punctuation in all articles Jacobisq ever touched. :) -- Magioladitis (talk) 16:18, 6 May 2011 (UTC)
 * much appreciated. Penbat (talk) 18:21, 6 May 2011 (UTC)
 * would it be too much of a pain if you got Yobot to scan every article i ever touched - something like 100 times more articles than Jacobisq ? Penbat (talk) 19:06, 6 May 2011 (UTC)
 * Not at all. You touched 3,334 different page. Starting right now. -- Magioladitis (talk) 19:23, 6 May 2011 (UTC)
 * Finished Only 382 pages were in need of change! -- Magioladitis (talk) 21:20, 6 May 2011 (UTC)
 * Great stuff. It makes sense to me for Yobot to do a one-off complete scan of Wikipedia and thereafter occasional incremental scans. Penbat (talk) 21:27, 6 May 2011 (UTC)
 * I notice Narcissistic parents and Assertiveness were 2 that were altered on "my" Yobot run yet strangely they were both also edited by Jacobisq and they didnt get changed on "his" Yobot run.Penbat (talk) 21:42, 6 May 2011 (UTC)
 * These 2 edits didn't move any references. There were done in the frame of general checkwiki fixes. If not stopped Yobot can check 6,000 pages per day but some people don't like this idea. -- Magioladitis (talk) 21:58, 6 May 2011 (UTC)

AWB question
Is there a way to pull in the listing of users who have edited an article? --Kumioko (talk) 18:24, 6 May 2011 (UTC)
 * Not without parsing the history of an article and I think it would be costly. -- Magioladitis (talk) 18:45, 6 May 2011 (UTC)
 * Oh ok thanks. I wasn't sure if there was something in the Api that the page Analysis script on the toolserver uses. --Kumioko (talk) 19:45, 6 May 2011 (UTC)

American Akita
Please run your bot through American Akita to check the references. Thank you. <b style="color:#060">7&amp;6=thirteen</b> (<b style="color:#000">☎</b>) 02:34, 7 May 2011 (UTC)
 * Done. Nice article. -- Magioladitis (talk) 07:39, 7 May 2011 (UTC)
 * Thanks. It's still getting better.  Work in progress.   <b style="color:#060">7&amp;6=thirteen</b> (<b style="color:#000">☎</b>)

WRC biographies
Hey. You have used the wrong date format (this edit also broke the nationality field) in many of your AWB additions and those articles are no longer in line with WP:DATE. In the large majority of these biographies, the dates should be in the "1 January 1980" format. You have also removed the image size in many articles leading to a huge mess, literally. Prolog (talk) 12:08, 7 May 2011 (UTC)
 * I think it's easy to fix. The birth date and age has some parameter for that. Let me check. -- Magioladitis (talk) 14:33, 7 May 2011 (UTC)
 * WOSlinker fixed everything already! -- Magioladitis (talk) 14:41, 7 May 2011 (UTC)

How do we know which format to use? On what it depends? -- Magioladitis (talk) 14:44, 7 May 2011 (UTC)


 * WP:DATE says "Articles on topics with strong ties to a particular English-speaking country should generally use the more common date format for that nation. For the US this is month before day; for most others it is day before month. Articles related to Canada may use either format consistently." and "If an article has evolved using predominantly one format, the whole article should conform to it, unless there are reasons for changing it based on strong national ties to the topic." I didn't pay any attention to the date formats for a long time, except for consistency, but now I try to remember to put the month first on US topics and the date first on others. That should get it "right" most of the time. Not a major issue, though. Prolog (talk) 15:22, 7 May 2011 (UTC)
 * Many thanks for taking time to enlighten me on the topic! I'll try to keep these rules in mind. -- Magioladitis (talk) 15:24, 7 May 2011 (UTC)

Yobot (again again)
Hey, this kind of thing isn't really needed, whitespace and template redirect bypassing only could easily be considered cosmetic (well, rather it is considered cosmetic). You should be extra careful at the moment to be avoid anything remotely cosmetic, as was noted in the unblock. Cheers, - Kingpin13 (talk) 11:36, 8 May 2011 (UTC)
 * This edit activated the autotagger for some reason. i can check it but it's not that big deal. How many of those did you find? -- Magioladitis (talk) 11:39, 8 May 2011 (UTC)
 * What is most interesting is the the page is reported to the toolserver as uncategorised and untagged. -- Magioladitis (talk) 12:05, 8 May 2011 (UTC)
 * If the toolserver isn't getting it right, you can load the list of pages into AWB, save that, then use AWB to load a list of the pages which are tagged already, and then use the list builder to get a list of pages which are only in the first list (e.g. not yet tagged). I don't know how many times this happened, because I'm not going to trawl through the bot's contribs looking, I only came across it when briefly glancing over the most recent contributions page. - Kingpin13 (talk) 13:49, 8 May 2011 (UTC)
 * I'll try but isn't that simple. I try to tag and update tags at the same time. I'll see what I can do. -- Magioladitis (talk) 13:51, 8 May 2011 (UTC)

Documentation, template → Documentation
Why are you mass replacing Documentation, template with Documentation? This seems like a case of WP:NOTBROKEN. -- JLaTondre (talk) 11:48, 8 May 2011 (UTC)
 * OK. I can leave it as is. -- Magioladitis (talk) 11:49, 8 May 2011 (UTC)
 * I am trying to bring templates in a common shape somehow. -- Magioladitis (talk) 11:54, 8 May 2011 (UTC)

ANI
FYI: WP:ANI. HJ Mitchell &#124;  Penny for your thoughts?   22:55, 8 May 2011 (UTC)

A question about some edits
Although I support the task of standardizing the infobox parameters and consolidation of the infobox templates (as well as other standardization) I noticed a change that I don't think is desired. In this edit you changed some birth and death parameters that is causing the infobox to display the data incorrectly. I also have questioned for a while the logic behind changing birthdate to birth_date for a couple reasons. It seems like if we were going to do anything it would be to make it birth date, birth-date or birthdate rather than birth_date (I prefer the third option by the way). Good luck. --Kumioko (talk) 13:56, 9 May 2011 (UTC)
 * 1) . I thought we deprecated the use of underlines between parameter words.
 * 2) . If the underline is removed the parameter doesn't display
 * 3) . Some programs and scripts have logic to remove underlines like the ones used in these parameters. So if someone removes these underlines (like I have done a couple times) the parameters don't work.
 * My last edits are without any script. I'll fix them. I just use the edit box to type. For the rest: It will be much easier to do what you suggest as soon as we have only Infobox person as the main template and convert all codes to that one. We chose "birth_date" because it's not mixed with "DATE OF BIRTH" (persondata), "birthplace" in real text nor "birth date" (as template). But this is easily fixable in the future. -- Magioladitis (talk) 14:02, 9 May 2011 (UTC)
 * Sorry to butt in, but I just wanted to point out that we aren't going to have as "infobox person" as the main (person) template for a while, as not all users want all bio infoboxes to be merged with the generic one (Template:Infobox comics creator comes to mind). That doesn't mean that a separate discussion can't be had to give all common parameters (like birthdate) a common "recommended" form (though preferable not a single accepted form), but having the same common parameters doesn't mean that the infoboxes will or should be merged. Fram (talk) 14:14, 9 May 2011 (UTC)
 * This is what I mean by merge. They will all have the same style. Easier to update, etc. I think infobox comics creator can at least share the basics with the other infoboxes. -- Magioladitis (talk) 14:18, 9 May 2011 (UTC)

Please stop
I notice you're suddenly replacing, without discussion, all the instances of Infobox triathlete. Could you please revert, and open a discussion at WT:WPTRI? Thanks --NSH001 (talk) 14:38, 9 May 2011 (UTC)
 * I sent it to Tfd. Templates for discussion/Log/2011 May 9. This will save us time (hopefully). -- Magioladitis (talk) 14:40, 9 May 2011 (UTC)
 * This is absolutely unacceptable. A major change like this should first be proposed in a suitable central venue, and then notices placed on the talk pages of all the relevant templates and Wiki Projects, in order to give time for proper thought and feedback. The last thing anyone wants is to be rushed into a hurried and superficial discussion at TfD. --NSH001 (talk) 14:46, 9 May 2011 (UTC)
 * This is not a major change. The template has the same functionality. Nothing changed in the outcome. -- Magioladitis (talk) 17:53, 9 May 2011 (UTC)
 * Not true that the template has the "same functionality" - the style and appearance are different, to say the least. I'll leave further discussion for the TfD page. --NSH001 (talk) 20:49, 9 May 2011 (UTC)
 * If they have a different appearance, then we have one more reason to redirect/delete. Triathletes are athletes anyway. -- Magioladitis (talk) 20:52, 9 May 2011 (UTC)

Sorry to interrupt your talk page again. Two points:

1. I can see why you might think it's not a major change, but consolidating the functionality of all people infoboxes into one single template (and series of specialist sub-templates) certainly is a massive change. You really need to get input from as wide a range of editors as possible. People really, really, hate it when this sort of change is suddenly, completely of the blue, sprung on them without any warning, notification, or prior discussion.

2. Generally I tend to be fairly relaxed on style issues, and approve of standardisation, but there is one problem that bothers me about the proposed new box. I'm not convinced that personal and sporting details need to be separated in this manner, but if they do, then a separate cross-heading "Sport" looks very odd. In the case of triathletes, it should read "Triathlon". If they also have notable achievements in other sports, then these should have appropriate cross-headings too. There are about a dozen triathletes with Olympic or World titles in other sports (rowing, cycling, swimming and running), so I can see the advantages of your approach here - allowing everything to be shown within one infobox, without the mess of separate infoboxes, that's an excellent idea. I can also appreciate the benefits - ease of maintenance, better quality - of standardisation. Just be aware that making this sort of change without proper consultation is really, really, annoying.

--NSH001 (talk) 06:45, 10 May 2011 (UTC)

You can express these concerns in the TfD. Moreover, if the changes you propose are good for triathletes are most probably good for all athletes. -- Magioladitis (talk) 23:25, 10 May 2011 (UTC)


 * Well I don't think TfD is the place for mentioning really insulting behaviour, but the rest of it I will raise there, along with some other observations, but it may have to wait a while (other matters also need my attention). --NSH001 (talk) 13:37, 11 May 2011 (UTC)
 * I don't understand why it's insulting. The thing you said about the cross-heading is a good observation but I guess we can use it in a more general context. It's not my intention to undo your job but to use these good ideas in order to improve the whole set of infoboxes. I am sorry if I insulted you somehow. -- Magioladitis (talk) 13:46, 11 May 2011 (UTC)

Bullshit
The hell it is resolved. I'm so pissed off over this I've seriously been considering leaving Wikipedia.

I thought of adding to the TfD discussion, but it's not the right place for what I have to say. But just to take a couple of points, in addition to those I mentioned above, going back some time to when I first considered switching to the meta-template. At that time I rejected it, mainly because I noticed someone had recently changed the athlete infobox to use the meta-template. As a result, for example, despite using a smaller font (irritating for me, as my eyesight isn't that great), the date of birth and age entry on Paula Radcliffe line-wraps, although on the old version it displayed correctly, all on one line. And I see, today, that it is still line-wrapping. So some bad design there. (BTW, I seem to recall Thumperward doing some work that might have fixed this problem, not sure what came of it.) I did check quite a few triathletes (about a third of them) to see if they line-wrapped following the change to the meta-template, but didn't find any that line-wrapped. If I had, I would have reverted the change.

Secondly, you claimed the parameters were the same between triathlete and athlete/sportsperson. But looking at Chrissie Wellington, I see that the "other-interests" parm has disappeared. Now I had taken your word on this, so didn't bother to actually check all the parms on athlete/sportsperson. If I had been aware of that, I might have protested more vigorously earlier on, so this has just served to make me even more pissed off. But this is an important parameter for Chrissie. It so happens that she is today the undisputed #1 triathlete in the world, and one of the most outstanding athletes, male or female, in any sport, ever. Triathlon is what she's focused on for now. But triathlon is not the most important thing in her life, it's just a stepping-stone to what she wants to do with the rest of her life. She is the sort of person who could could have a Featured Article on the front page in 2/3 years time, based on her triathlon achievements, and then again (if it were allowed by Wikipedia rules) in 20 years time when she's made her mark in a completely different field. So "other-interests" is a very important parm for Chrissie.

I'm surprised that you don't understand why this is insulting. You're an admin, and a very experienced and highly competent editor. You should know, by now, the importance of full consultation. A simple link to a centralised discussion on the talk page of every potentially affected template, posted right at the start of the project, would have been enough to do the job.

Sorry to be such a pain,

--NSH001 (talk) 12:55, 21 May 2011 (UTC)


 * I've added the other-interests param to Infobox sportsperson. -- WOSlinker (talk) 16:11, 21 May 2011 (UTC)
 * Thanks WOSlinker. I haven't noticed this parameter was missing. -- Magioladitis (talk) 16:50, 21 May 2011 (UTC)

Bad edit
Rather late report but this edit appears to have removed the whole of the lead section. Unsure what the edit was meant to accomplish, so I have reverted apart from the removal of 2 blank parameters from the infobox. Keith D (talk) 19:57, 9 May 2011 (UTC)
 * OOps. Thanks. I ve no idea how I managed to do that. -- Magioladitis (talk) 19:58, 9 May 2011 (UTC)

RE:Infobox speed skater
Actually, it didn't work like that. If you look at Apolo Ohno with the changes you made, certain parameters fail to show (look at it now, then self revert so you can see the changes, perhaps). 1.) The "alt text" does not show up. This is necessary if an article wants to pass to Feature Article class.  It shows for people who do not have their images turned on or for the visually impaired. 2.) The Worldcup/Worldchamp sections do not show. I do not mind the changes, but I also would like the section header that says "Sport" to say something more specific like "speed skater" without having to go though each article to make this edit. There was a discussion at Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Speed_Skating about this very topic.  on camera <sup style="color:#B9B9B9;">(t)  17:15, 10 May 2011 (UTC)
 * WOSlinker fixed the alt text issue. My mistake for forgetting it. I think we can fix the section header too. -- Magioladitis (talk) 20:15, 10 May 2011 (UTC)

Way dates are written
Twice Yobot has replaced "November 29th 1911" with "November 29 1911" (and other similar dates) on the "Electric Palace Cinema, Harwich" article, which I've had to undo. The later form is an Americanism inappropriate to an article about a British subject. Could you please ensure that it doesn't happen again. Thanks

Davidlooser (talk) 06:27, 12 May 2011 (UTC)
 * Check WP:DATESNO. "November 29th" is incorrect according to the manual of style. -- Magioladitis (talk) 07:14, 12 May 2011 (UTC)

Then the style manual is wrong; "Novemeber 29" is an Americanism, and incorrect for British articles. How do I go about getting the style manual altered?

Davidlooser (talk) 13:11, 12 May 2011 (UTC)
 * The appropriate venue to try and get that section of the manual of style altered would be at WT:MOSNUM. However, I should note that "November 29th 1911" and "November 29, 1911" are both incorrect for British articles. It should be 29 November 1911. Hope this helps, Jenks24 (talk) 13:19, 12 May 2011 (UTC)

Who says that "29 November 1911" is "correct" for British articles? (apart from some nameless person within Wikipedia, that is). It is entirely a matter of individual choice whether the number, or (named) month goes first (this has nothing to do with a digits-only format such as 29/11/1911). But whichever way round they go the "th" should be included. Thus NOT "29 November", but "29th November".

Davidlooser (talk) 14:32, 12 May 2011 (UTC)
 * Wikipedia does not use ordinal suffixes because, I believe, the majority of style manuals recommend not using ordinal suffixes. That said, if you would like further explanation, I would strongly encourage you to take this up at WT:MOSNUM where I think you will get a better explanation than from me. Jenks24 (talk) 14:46, 12 May 2011 (UTC)


 * It may be true that "November 29th 1911" or "29th November" are common vernacular usages, their use is recommended against in many style manuals, including ours. The decision to eschew this was taken during the course of the evolution of the MOS, which aims to cover most content in this encyclopaedia. As already mentioned above, and in the guideline, the preferred format for British articles would display as "29 November 1911". This is a convention we have adopted due to the prevailing use of that format as has been pointed out in the WT:MOSNUM discussion. Our choice is independent from the usage of "November 29, 1911" in, for example, The Times. I trust this deals with your query. -- Ohconfucius ¡digame! 02:17, 13 May 2011 (UTC)

Billy Frith
Hi, regarding this edit you made, what was the rationale for removing the spacing in the opening line on birth/death year. Looking at it seems to be acceptable to have both with/without spaces, although there seem to be more of the former. Regards. Eldumpo (talk) 11:37, 12 May 2011 (UTC)
 * Hm... It seems that the bot thought this is a year range and year range should not have any space. Birth/death dates must have a space before and after the dash. I 'll have a look. Thanks for the report. -- Magioladitis (talk) 11:46, 12 May 2011 (UTC)

Arkansas Militia in the Civil War
Arkansas Militia in the Civil War Would you mind doing a clean up on this article again. I just added a bunch of new references and Yobot does a great job of cleaning them up. One of these days I need to get you to teach me to drive this thing! I appreciate you hard work on Wikipedia Articles! Aleutian06 (talk) 23:26, 12 May 2011 (UTC)
 * Done. -- Magioladitis (talk) 07:28, 13 May 2011 (UTC)

Thanks!!! -- Magioladitis (talk) 01:25, 14 May 2011 (UTC)

Infobox: location
I noticed that the birthplace was no longer displaying in the Infobox artist of a couple of articles I'd written. Upon investigating, I discovered this edit which removed the "location" parameter as a synonym for birthplace. My initial instinct was to undo your edit as I didn't know how many articles were still affected, but instead I decided to find out. I fixed 36 articles which still used "location". I don't think there are any more, although it's possible I missed some. I don't know if you've done anything similar with other Infoboxes, but if you did, it might be a good idea to do something like having a bot check for any remaining instances which should be corrected. M AN d ARAX •  XAЯA b ИA M  04:17, 13 May 2011 (UTC)
 * Thanks! I already did. At the time I removed "location" there were 0 occurrences for many days. We had/have a tracking category. Category:Infobox person using deprecated location parameter. Location is disambiguous and had different uses amongst the infoboxes. -- Magioladitis (talk) 07:25, 13 May 2011 (UTC)
 * Hmmmm.... Something went wrong then, because it is not the case that there were zero occurrences prior to the parameter removal. I haven't checked all of the 36 articles which I fixed, but of the many I have checked, every one had had the "location" parameter for quite some time. For example, I just examined every edit made to Alyona Azernaya, and it had the "location" Infobox parameter continuously from its creation on 24 September 2010 until I changed it yesterday.


 * Here's the full list in case you're interested: Abraham Genoels II, Alberto Terrile, Alfredo Da Silva, Alyona Azernaya, Amilkar Ariza, Anton Goubau, Arnold Belkin, Christoffel Jacobsz van der Laemen, Claire Falkenstein, Daniel van Heil, David van der Plas, Domingo Ortega, Edward Percy Moran, Frans Menton, Gar Waterman, Gerard Hoet, Govert van der Leeuw, Hans Jordaens, Jan Baptist van Deynum, Jan Baptist van Heil, Juan de los Angeles Naranjo, Kansuke Yamamoto (Surrealist), Leo van Heil, Nick de Angelis, Philipp Peter Roos, Pieter Cornelisz van Rijck, Pieter Feddes van Harlingen, Pieter van de Plas, Rafael Trelles, Rinaldo Cuneo, Sergio Redegalli, Tim Holmes, Wang Dongma, Yuzo Saeki, Zacharias Paulusz, Zhang Deli. M AN d ARAX  •  XAЯA b ИA M  08:27, 13 May 2011 (UTC)
 * Aha! Infobox artist was lacking the tracking category. I just added it. Great thanks! -- Magioladitis (talk) 08:51, 13 May 2011 (UTC)
 * Category is empty again. All fixed. -- Magioladitis (talk) 08:38, 14 May 2011 (UTC)

Page tagged as orphan
Dear Magioladitis: I authored an article on Howard M. Guttman, to which Yobot added a notification about it being an orphan. I would like to try to add links from other appropriate pages to it, to remove the orphan status. What is Wikipedia's policy on this? Do I need to get permission from the authors of those articles to add links to them? Do I need to ask them to do it? Any help you can give would be greatly appreciated. Thank you, Ms. Dale Corey Dalecorey (talk) 14:09, 13 May 2011 (UTC)
 * Every reader in Wikipedia is a potential editor. You don't need any permission to modify or update articles. Just find the pages you think hat could link to Howard M. Guttman and add the link. -- Magioladitis (talk) 14:41, 13 May 2011 (UTC)

Template:Infobox afl player NEW
Hi. When you edited the infobox the other day you changed something relating to birthdates I believe? Quite a few articles, like Daryl Vernon for example, now have their date of birth blanked out in their infobox. Is there a bot that can update the affected articles? Thanks. Jevansen (talk) 02:18, 14 May 2011 (UTC)
 * Magioladitis & myself added a tracking category to check for the parameter changes before updating the infobox. Unfortunatly, there were two noinclude tags so the tracking category didn't work properly. I've now readded the tracking category and old params and removed the extra noinclude tag. Will then check everything again before updating things. I've also updated Daryl Vernon. -- WOSlinker (talk) 07:57, 14 May 2011 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the prompt response. Jevansen (talk) 08:17, 14 May 2011 (UTC)

Naughty BOT
Your BOT seems to have been naughty on the Transparent eyeball page. Xe scrawled all over it! See. It looked like beforehand. Oh dear! Admittedly this was almost a month ago, but the page has only just. The fault appears to lie with human editors putting in 'references' that looked like this " ". Yobot changed it to, creating a cite error in each case. Hope thsi helps in some way. Regards, 220.101 User talk:220.101.28.25\ 04:13, 14 May 2011 (UTC)
 * Well, the page wasn't fixed. The edit after the bot's edit introduced a number of mistakes like invalid citation parameters, invalid urls etc. the page was a messy even before the bot touched it. I'll have a look. -- Magioladitis (talk) 07:57, 14 May 2011 (UTC)
 * Fixed. Thanks for the report. -- Magioladitis (talk) 08:37, 14 May 2011 (UTC)

Oops
- just in case you were wondering about that: apologies, was an accidental click (the Board of Trustees notification popped down just as I was clicking on another link on my watchlist). Sorry for the accidental revert! Mike Peel (talk) 21:08, 14 May 2011 (UTC)

Infobox question
Why is your bot removing the image parameters from the infobox (eg this article)? Could you link me to the consensus discussion to do this?  Lugnuts  (talk) 09:04, 15 May 2011 (UTC)
 * It removes only if it is empty. I can leave it there if you want. It's a leftover to my code from a previous task. -- Magioladitis (talk) 09:06, 15 May 2011 (UTC)
 * I fixed the code not to remove the parameter. -- Magioladitis (talk) 09:10, 15 May 2011 (UTC)
 * The original intention was that if the image parameter is empty to remove image size, caption and alt. -- Magioladitis (talk) 09:18, 15 May 2011 (UTC)
 * Thanks!  Lugnuts  (talk) 09:25, 15 May 2011 (UTC)
 * But now you're doing the exact same thing with AWB?! Have you actually read the AWB instructions? I'll point out the bit that's relevant: "Avoid making insignificant or inconsequential edits such as only adding or removing some white space, moving a stub tag, converting some HTML to Unicode, removing underscores from piped links, bypassing a redirect, or something equally trivial."  Thanks.  Lugnuts  (talk) 09:31, 15 May 2011 (UTC)
 * I am just checking the module after I modified it. I won't do more. -- Magioladitis (talk) 09:32, 15 May 2011 (UTC)


 * Happy for the change from birthdate to birth_date to happen (with a bot, of course), just apposed to the removal of a perfectly valid field, albeit (currently) un-used on many of those articles.  Lugnuts  (talk) 09:41, 15 May 2011 (UTC)


 * But you're continuing to make these trivial edits with AWB (for example here). Why? Could you please do this via a bot, otherwise I'm taking this to ANI. Thanks.  Lugnuts  (talk) 12:02, 17 May 2011 (UTC)
 * Err. sorry. I thought you told me to keep changing the parameters but not remove the image/caption. I am confused. Let me read again our discussion. -- Magioladitis (talk) 12:21, 17 May 2011 (UTC)

Mac vs Mc and a possible AWB problem
Don't know if this is a problem or the way it should be recorded in Listas. Any Mc* name will result in Mac* in the listas and defaultsort. For example, McDonald -> MacDonald or McNabb -> MacNabb.

Yobot19 is going but slowly. Wife has been off, so not as much time for Wiki, plus having fun removing weird names. It will get there someday. Bgwhite (talk) 06:11, 17 May 2011 (UTC)
 * The McDonald -> MacDonald is correct! Check our manual and WP:MCSTJR.
 * Hehe. Take your time. You are doing a wonderful job. -- Magioladitis (talk) 08:07, 17 May 2011 (UTC)


 * WP:MCSTJR doesn't mention Mc/Mac anymore. Looks like User:JimCubb removed it in October 2010 saying, "Use only Mac removed. Only justification in recent discussions has been that it has always been done."  JimCubb has been sick and offline for 6 or so weeks.  So, I don't know if this is valid anymore. Bgwhite (talk) 17:21, 17 May 2011 (UTC)
 * I can't find the discussion in which he based this change. -- Magioladitis (talk) 18:10, 17 May 2011 (UTC)
 * Looking around it appears the rule has been changing over time from the one used in AWB to not adding an "a". The Chicago Manual of Style, , ISO 999 , American Library Association, The MLA Style Manual, The Indexing Companion  and The Cambridge Handbook for Editors, Authors and Publishers   recommends sorting letter-by-letter as they appear.  Unicode 6.0 ( section 5.4) has the old way as an optional way of doing it, but default is to use the new way. I looked at my telephone book and it uses the "new" way.
 * I've found the British Telecom phone books sorts the "old" way.
 * Here's a MOS discussion from 2010 that doesn't settle it. Bgwhite (talk) 20:03, 17 May 2011 (UTC)

Where would be a good place to add this research? -- Magioladitis (talk) 23:34, 22 May 2011 (UTC)

Howard M. Guttman
Dear Magioladitis:

I contacted you last week to inquire about whether or not I could add a link to another person's article without their permission, in order to de-orphan my article. After receiving your response that I would, I went into an article on Frances Hesselbein. The subject of my article, Howard M. Guttman, contributed a chapter to a book edited by Frances. I listed Howard and all the others authors who contributed chapters, some of whom are very well known in the field of management development. First, I tried to highlight Howard's name and create a link to his page. I got a message saying that the page doesn't exist. I then highlighted the names of several other notable authors, including Jim Champy (James A. Champy), Noel Tichy, and Dave Ulrich. In each case, I was told that the wiki page did not exist, although I had just visited it and copied the URL.

Am I doing something wrong? Can you please help me? Thank you very much, Dale Corey 69.19.14.31 (talk) 15:15, 17 May 2011 (UTC)

Infobox Saint
I saw on the Wikipedia definition of Veneration, the distinction between Veneration and Worship is not clearly defined. Although Catholic Christianity allows paying tribute to relics, Islam and Judaism explicitly forbid it. Thus, in my opinion, the Venerated in in the Saint infobox I feel should be changed to Honored in to ensure full accuracy of presenting the religious traditions. Please help change it.--Imadjafar (talk) 13:46, 18 May 2011 (UTC)
 * Done. Please in the future leave a message in the template's talk page before contacting me. -- Magioladitis (talk) 13:54, 18 May 2011 (UTC)

I'm sorry, I will keep that in mind. Thank you for your help! Imadjafar 14:49, 18 May 2011 (UTC)

Banned users with access to AWB
I'm not sure how big of a deal this is but there are a couple of banned users with AWB access. One I noticed was Perseus8235. I'm not sure what the procedures are if any for removing these but I would recommend if the user is banned or has been inactive for a period of time (a year maybe) then their access should be removed. If they come back they could always get it back but a lot of changes happen in a year to Wikipedia and to the software so IMO if they haven't edited in a year they probably shouldn't be using the software. --Kumioko (talk) 13:56, 18 May 2011 (UTC)
 * Dunno. Better ask Reedy about that. You have a point I think. -- Magioladitis (talk) 14:36, 18 May 2011 (UTC)
 * Ok thanks. Ill leave it on the AWB talk page and then drop Reedy a note. --Kumioko (talk) 15:11, 18 May 2011 (UTC)

I updated the WikiProject code
I wanted to let you know that I updated the WikiProject code. Heres a summery: I think thats it but I wanted to let you know. --Kumioko (talk) 15:59, 18 May 2011 (UTC)
 * 1) I added some logic to clean up some more WikiProject parameters for Trains, Films and Novels
 * 2) I removed a couple hundred redunant ones (mostly in the section we have set to ignore anyway)
 * 3) I fixed some broken ones
 * 4) I expanded a few (like past collaboration, image needed and a few others
 * 5) I added a section to delete the banners as they are approved for deletion
 * 6) I added WikiProject American Television and United States Government to United States.

That came in the best moment! I was planning a run in talk pages during this weekend. Thanks. -- Magioladitis (talk) 18:38, 18 May 2011 (UTC)
 * Your welcome. --Kumioko (talk) 19:20, 18 May 2011 (UTC)


 * Ooops, sorry for not getting this to you sooner. A couple of problems found in the old code.  The code on the left is the weird stuff I've found on talk pages.
 * maths -> Maths rating
 * WPPOLAND -> WikiProjectPoland
 * WikiProject USCJ -> WikiProject United States courts and judges
 * WPCatholicism -> WikiProject Catholicism
 * Bgwhite (talk) 22:13, 18 May 2011 (UTC)
 * Thanks I just made those changes. Let me know if you find anymore. --Kumioko (talk) 02:32, 19 May 2011 (UTC)

Rugby players
When updaing the infobox params for those in Category:Infobox rugby player using deprecated parameters, most of them will probably need the y param for birth date and age adding as most will be non-US players. -- WOSlinker (talk) 10:33, 20 May 2011 (UTC)
 * Try adding the following to your monobook.js or vector.js page and then using the rugby button. -- WOSlinker (talk) 20:48, 20 May 2011 (UTC)

importScript('User:WOSlinker/rugby.js');
 * The scripts not perfect though, so still need to check edits before saving. For example if there is already a birth_date param then afterwards there are two and one needs removing manually. -- WOSlinker (talk) 22:13, 20 May 2011 (UTC)
 * I am trying to do it with AWB. Probably I'll work on that tomorrow. -- Magioladitis (talk) 22:26, 20 May 2011 (UTC)

MusicBrainz templates request
Hello I noticed you recently edited the MusicBrainz artist template, so I thought you could make some changes on this MB templates to fit the new MB URLs. There's no longer .html at the end. Additionally, the moderator template should now be musicbrainz.org/user/.

I didn't know where else to suggest these changes. Thank you --danBLOO (talk) 17:51, 22 May 2011 (UTC) :)

Template:Infobox swimmer -- conversion fiasco
Magioladitis, I have worked intermittently on American swimmer articles over the last two years, I have just returned from other Wikipedia concerns to work again on certain swimmer articles. It has become apparent from the current chaotic state of lost data that had been previously entered into nearly 2,000 uses of "Template:Infobox swimmer" that someone had altered this template, without any explanation. First, I looked at the "Template:Infobox swimmer" talk page for an explanation, but I found absolutely no discussion to provide an explanation of the recent changes and why previously data entered in previously valid fields within the template was not and is not presently displaying on the article pages. Then, I looked at the edit history and discovered your user name and that of another administrator, WOSlinker, having first altered the field names used in other, more generic infoboxes,

Finally, I discovered that first you simply transcluded the pre-existing "Template:Infobox swimmer" to "Template:Athlete," and then to a new generic "Template:Infobox sportsperson," over-riding the individual fields of Infobox swimmer, thus voiding the display of properly entered data in some 2,000+ pre-existing uses of "Infobox swimmer." Data not properly displaying as a result of your changes includes the name of the sport in which the athlete is participating (i.e. Swimming) (!), the athlete's primary swimming strokes/events (e.g. freestyle, butterfly, individual medley, etc.), the athlete's club affiliation (e.g. Club Nautico de Madrid), the athlete's college team (e.g. Auburn University), and the athlete's nickname(s). As a result of your unilateral changes, we now have a very real problem, and it's not a small one: your changes have resulted in to the loss of countless hours of data input for the principal data that distinguish swimming from any other sport. Frankly, it's just plain goofy that:


 * (1) swimmers are no longer identified as swimmers in their infoboxes,
 * (2) swimmers' primary swimming strokes are not displayed in their infoboxes, and
 * (3) the swimmers' club team affiliations (the primary training facilities for Olympics swimmers everywhere outside the USA) are not displayed in their infoboxes,
 * (4) the swimmers' university team affiliations (the primary training facility for American Olympic swimmers) are not displayed in their infoboxes, and
 * (5) of lesser concern, the swimmers' nicknames by which they are commonly know are also not displaying in their infoboxes.

Philosophically, I am in favor of as much standardization of Infobox templates and their component field names as makes sense in the particular case. Here, however, you have sacrificed information relevant to the sport of swimming in order to pursue a more generic infobox for sports persons. It is also very apparent that only a few editors had any input on these template changes before they were implemented. Someone transcluded "Infobox swimmer" into "Infobox athlete" with no discussion at all among concerned WP:Swimming editors, and then transcluded the generic "Infobox athlete" into the similarly generic "Infobox sportsperson" after a discussion at TfD. All of this could be easily overlooked in the pursuit of greater infobox standardization, but for the fact that your attempted implementation of the new template has been clumsy at best, and grossly detrimental to the individual swimmer articles at worst. Apparently, you were able to easily convert birth date fields and the like in the pre-existing uses of "Infobox swimmer" to your new standardized field names by using bot editos. However, if you will pardon the cliche, you have simply "dropped the ball" in your roll-out out of the new template by failing to account for the conversion of the first four of the pre-existing template fields of "Infobox swimmer" identified above.

We need a solution to the problem you have created in 2,000+ infoboxes on the articles for world-class swimmers. If this means temporarily or permanently reverting your changes to "Infobox swimmer," you need to do it, at least until a more elegant conversion process can be implemented. And we need to come up with a proposal to do so before the wider circle of disgruntled editors begin to unilaterally revert your changes to "Template:Infobox swimmer." I, for one, was sorely tempted to do so.

Please consider carefully what I have written. Short of simply reverting all of your change to the template and its individual uses, this problem requires your input for resolution. Suggesting that individual editors simply edit the individual swimmer articles to conform them to the new generic template is not a viable alternative (and would certainly be disrespectful of the editors who created and built these articles and who were not consulted). I will wait for your considered replyI also suggest that we move this discussion to a centralized location where other concerned editors may logically find it. The failure to include any discussion of these changes on the relevant template talk page (i.e. "Template talk:Infobox swimmer") is, well, disconcerting, and should not be repeated. Thank you for your attention to my concerns. Dirtlawyer1 (talk) 23:07, 22 May 2011 (UTC)
 * It turns that infobox sportperson does not support module option. No data was removed from the pages so no data lost. WOSlinker reverted for now and I bet it won't take a long to both have all data and a standardised template. All pages are now back to normal. Thanks for the lengthy report of the problem! -- Magioladitis (talk) 23:25, 22 May 2011 (UTC)
 * Thank you for your prompt response, Magiodalitis. Obviously, the reversion of the transclusion/redirect of "Infobox swimmer" is a temporary solution if you intend to proceed with further standardization.  As your continued standardization efforts effect changes in the swimmer template, may I suggest that we centralize our discussion on WOSlinker's talk page for now?  Thanks.  Dirtlawyer1 (talk) 23:43, 22 May 2011 (UTC)

Thanking you
Hi Yobot I appreciate the work you have done, fixing general errors of Swami Nigamananda. Thanks very much. Dcmpuri (talk) 06:39, 23 May 2011 (UTC)

refimprove and refimprove section
and are both valid template uses. refimprove section is actually a redirect to ref improve section which is effectively a redirect that passes parameters to refimprove so is there any reason why Yobot bothers to make edits such as this? There just doesn't seem any point. --AussieLegend (talk) 12:28, 23 May 2011 (UTC)
 * We do that for all section specified templates. The main reason, IMO, is to have a better control of which articles needs references only in sections only by looking the transclusions of this template which is more specific than the general template. -- Magioladitis (talk) 12:31, 23 May 2011 (UTC)
 * Still this isn't one of the CHECKWIKI errors this means that the article has some other problem somewhere and Yobot failed to fix. -- Magioladitis (talk) 12:33, 23 May 2011 (UTC)

15th Arkansas Infantry Regiment (Josey's)
Would you please run Yobot on this article. I have added several references which need some work. 15th Arkansas Infantry Regiment (Josey's), Thanks! Aleutian06 (talk) 21:47, 23 May 2011 (UTC)
 * Done this and some more. -- Magioladitis (talk) 23:11, 23 May 2011 (UTC)
 * Amazing! Thanks a million! Aleutian06 (talk) 00:24, 24 May 2011 (UTC)

Question
So hopefully I did this right. I have a question and if you could either answer it or direct me where I could get an answer it'd be appreciated :) We had a school project where had to revise an article and we did the wolfgang amadeus phoeonix article and i notice yobot went on there and I'm wondering how the bots select articles?  Is a random thing or what?  — Preceding unsigned comment added by MoralDebauchery (talk • contribs) 00:16, 22 July 2011 (UTC)

sorting dates
Thanks for the changes to parkrun wikipedia page which make date sorting work correctly without the leading zero.

I use dates with leading zeros eg 08 May 2011 because that is the format given in Help:Sorting shows us that this is the way to do it.

Are you able to edit the Help:Sorting pages too? Or who do we need to notify? I ask because if the Help:Sorting page is not fixed, then leading zeros will continue to be added by many mode authors.

Thanks Roger — Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.92.98.118 (talk) 12:53, 25 May 2011 (UTC)
 * Rjwilmsi knows better. I'll discuss it with him and we \ll take some action. Thanks for the heads up! -- Magioladitis (talk) 12:55, 25 May 2011 (UTC)

Roger adds... Thanks — Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.92.98.118 (talk) 13:06, 25 May 2011 (UTC)

Check this
See you there... --Paddy (talk) 18:07, 25 May 2011 (UTC)


 * Never mind. --Paddy (talk) 16:19, 24 June 2011 (UTC)
 * I didn't have much time to look at it. Thanks for initiating the discussion though! -- Magioladitis (talk) 16:52, 24 June 2011 (UTC)

Yobot 17 module problem?
When is on a talk page with no listas, the module/AWB will not add a listas parameter. It adds a listas under every other conceivable way the bio banner is spelled. I'm not sure if it is doing this 100% of the time as I'm not paying attention when it works. Bgwhite (talk) 21:01, 26 May 2011 (UTC)
 * I suggest you rename bio to WikiProject Biography. There are only 10-20 transclusions of it. -- Magioladitis (talk) 07:42, 27 May 2011 (UTC)
 * It renames just fine and I add listas in manually.  Just didn't know if it should be yet another biography variant added into the code.  The  tag is being added to new articles at a higher rate than the 10-20 you have seen.  Of course, all the (#*$)@ variants is a story for another day.  Oh, thank you for a new release of AWB.  Yobot19 has gone thru the sections I had previously cleared out for weird names ... around 10,000 articles done by the bot.  It is so nice to see letters A-F mostly empty.  A second thank you for allowing me to use your code/bot. Bgwhite (talk) 19:57, 27 May 2011 (UTC)
 * This redirect has been retargeted some times and it is rarely used. So I don't think we should take any further action. I hate changing the plugin's code every time someone comes with a new cool name for a redirect. -- Magioladitis (talk) 07:23, 3 June 2011 (UTC)
 * I renamed all transclusions of bio. I didn't fix the awb "bug" but I resolved the problem. -- Magioladitis (talk) 23:04, 13 February 2012 (UTC)

Request for Yobot
I’m not sure if it’s better to leave this message here or in Yobot’s user talk, but I see that leaving a message for the bot temporarily stops it from running, so I guess I’ll leave it here.

In February Yobot visited the William Beebe article, and cleaned up the references by combining duplicate refs, where the article cited the same page of the same book more than once. During the time since then I’ve added a lot of content to this article, and it now has around three times as many references as it did in February, but since Yobot hasn’t edited it again only the first third of its references have the duplicate references combined. Is there a way for you to get Yobot to revisit this article, and perform the same cleanup for the rest of its refs?

Thanks in advance. --Captain Occam (talk) 18:00, 29 May 2011 (UTC)


 * I'm being a talk page stalker today. I visited the page with AutoWikiBrowser (AWB), the program Yobot uses.  References should be cleaned up.  The article also wasn't assessed, so I updated the article's talk page. Bgwhite (talk) 18:13, 29 May 2011 (UTC)


 * Thanks a lot, I was trying to get it reassessed also. I guess I can remove it from Wikiproject Biography's requests for assessment now. --Captain Occam (talk) 18:36, 29 May 2011 (UTC)

I've got one other question about the references in this article, for either Magioladitis or Bgwhite. At some point I'll want to turn the references in it into links, so that clicking the link will take you to whatever book is being cited in the article's bibliography. I know how to do this manually, but it would probably take over six hours to manually convert every reference in an article that has over 250 references. Do either of you know whether there's a bot that can handle this task also?

If there isn't, I might make a request here for someone to create a bot that can can do this, but first I should make sure there isn't an existing bot I'm not aware of that can do it. --Captain Occam (talk) 00:45, 30 May 2011 (UTC)


 * I'm not aware of a bot, Magioladitis would be the one to answer. There are bot/tools to fix citations broken citations.  Alot of the references could be combined.  For example, references 60 and 61 could be combined.  60 is pages 126-128, 61 is pages 129-130 and only a sentence separates them.  You should really take the article thru the Good Article (GA) procedure as the article screams out for it.  If you want to go thru the pain and misery of Featured Article status (FA), you should do that after GA.  One problem is the way you have done references.  It is highly suggested to use templates if you goto GA/FA.  Here are the templates.  I took Jordan River (Utah) thru the misery of FA and you can use that as an example.  Also the templates make it very easy and less time consuming.  By copying and pasting, you could have the article cited as you wanted in 60-90 minutes.  I just converted the Berra book over to a template for you to see as an example. Bgwhite (talk) 03:46, 30 May 2011 (UTC)


 * I definitely plan on nominating this article for GA status eventually, but before I do that I’d like to put this article’s references into the best format, once I’ve figured out what that is.


 * Are you sure you think it would only take 60-90 minutes to convert all of the citations to use the harvnb template? I’ve discussed this with the person who wrote the article about this book, and it took her a few hours to convert all of that article’s citations.  (She used a different format for the references in that article, but the amount of time it takes to convert each citation seems like it would be about the same whether it's using the harvnb template or another format.)  That article has 57 citations.  I might be able to convert them faster than she did, but even if I can convert one citation per minute, for 278 citations that’s still more than four hours.


 * I know how to use the harvnb template; this is just a time issue for me. I don’t mind spending a few dozen hours researching and writing an article like this one, but when I have limited time to spend at Wikipedia, I’m not sure I want to spend it converting almost 300 references into a different format. --Captain Occam (talk) 04:24, 30 May 2011 (UTC)


 * To change a reference: 1) Use "find" in your browser to find the next author's reference (say Gould)  2)  Delete the reference between the ref tags  3) paste in the harvnb tag  4)  change the page number  5) move onto the next reference.  It is a fast procedure.  Took me under a minute to change all of Berra's.  You'll spend more time change the the books/journals in the reference section over to templates.  I've got 30 or so minutes to spend in an hour or so.  I'll help ya move some of the references. Bgwhite (talk) 05:32, 30 May 2011 (UTC)

Howard M. Guttman
'''Dear Magioladitis:

I sent the message below to you on May 17th, and I've been checking to see if you have answered. It is now in the archived section of your talk page. I don't know if that means that you will no longer be answering queries in that section, so I thought I better ask again. Thank you, Dale Corey ''' I contacted you last week to inquire about whether or not I could add a link to another person's article without their permission, in order to de-orphan my article. After receiving your response that I would, I went into an article on Frances Hesselbein. The subject of my article, Howard M. Guttman, contributed a chapter to a book edited by Frances. I listed Howard and all the others authors who contributed chapters, some of whom are very well known in the field of management development. First, I tried to highlight Howard's name and create a link to his page. I got a message saying that the page doesn't exist. I then highlighted the names of several other notable authors, including Jim Champy (James A. Champy), Noel Tichy, and Dave Ulrich. In each case, I was told that the wiki page did not exist, although I had just visited it and copied the URL.

Am I doing something wrong? Can you please help me? Thank you very much, Dale Corey 69.19.14.31 (talk) 15:15, 17 May 2011 (UTC)Dalecorey (talk) 13:10, 1 June 2011 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the nice message. The page appears to have three incoming links so it's not anymore orphan. If you want to add more wikilinks to other pages linking to Howard M. Guttman I propose that you check WP:EGG. I am not sure where the link should be placed in the authors you mentioned, so I can't help further. -- Magioladitis (talk) 13:28, 1 June 2011 (UTC)

Another Wikipedia editor, SPhilbrick, was kind enough to add the links for me and explain how to do it. Thank you again, Dale66.82.9.54 (talk) 15:25, 6 June 2011 (UTC)

Template:Infobox GAA player
Hi. I notice that you have removed my additions to Template:Infobox GAA player and I'm curious as to why. I've been trying to merge Template:Infobox GAA dualplayer with Template:Infobox GAA player for the last week or so and had got to the point where the merge was almost complete. My plan was as follows: I was at part 4 of the process and notice the changes were reverted on 31 May. Possibly you were unaware of the merge effort (After all, I hadn't tagged the pages as being suggested for merging). Alternatively, you may have found pages that were adversely affected by the changes made, or have an objection to the templates being merged. If there are pages adveresely affected, it would be good to know which ones and why, and if there's an objection to merging, then it would be good to discuss it. I would appreciate your comments at Template talk:Infobox GAA player. Thanks. Teester (talk) 12:28, 2 June 2011 (UTC)
 * 1) Add the elements in Template:Infobox GAA player missing from Template:Infobox GAA dualplayer to Template:Infobox GAA dualplayer.
 * 2) Go through pages using Template:Infobox GAA dualplayer and fix any that have been adversely affected by this (there weren't many, so it was easy enough to do)
 * 3) Copy the dual player elements missing from Template:Infobox GAA player from Template:Infobox GAA dualplayer to Template:Infobox GAA player
 * 4) Give things a week or so to throw up any problems (there are more pages using Template:Infobox GAA player than is feasible to go through on my own)
 * 5) After a week, given that there are no problems, redirect Template:Infobox GAA dualplayer to Template:Infobox GAA player
 * Errr. it was a mistake!!! I like th changes you did! I'll fix it. I only wanted to remove some old parameters. I guess I edited an older version without noticing! -- Magioladitis (talk) 17:39, 2 June 2011 (UTC)
 * No problem. That's what I thought.  I'll continue merging them, so. Teester (talk) 12:58, 3 June 2011 (UTC)

Just a heads up
I know that you have been working a lot with Infoboxes so I wanted to throw you a notice about some edits I am going to start soon. I have identified about 5000 articles within WikiProject United States that do not have infoboxes so over the next month or 2 I am going to devote some time (and hopefully others will help as well) to adding Infoboxes to these articles. I am going to use the core Infobox person but will follow up with military person and or officeholder as embedded modules as appropriate.

Because I will be doing this with an AWB custom module and refining it along the way along with manual checking and because this will cross thread multiple WikiProjects I will be doing them in groups (I will start with military personnel because MILHIST is a large very active project that will cover a lot of them) and notifying them as I go. I am not going to paste every field of the Infobox, just the core ten or so like name birth date, death date, etc. and some may be blank on the first pass.

I have also been working on some code to remove some of the unneeded, deprecated or seldom used fields (if blank) and I will gladly release the code once I get it a little more flushed out. Because this is quite complicated and will involve another long module like the WikiProject cleanup I do not anticipate it being 100% error free so I want to make sure its as fool proof as possible before I start handing it out.

If you have any suggestions or comments please let me know. --Kumioko (talk) 18:45, 2 June 2011 (UTC)
 * Very good idea. I would suggest you bring the subject to the botreq page even if you do manual because some people may want to check the source code. Doing it with AWB is a very good idea. Tell me how I can help with that. -- Magioladitis (talk) 16:23, 7 June 2011 (UTC)
 * No problem, I already have some of the code written but I am going to build on it. I am having a little trouble with a couple things that I haven't been able to completely switch over to the module. The regex works on the Advanced find and replace but when I try and use the same thing as module code it doesn't work. Very frustrating. I have a couple of other things I am trying to wrap up this week but once I knock those out I will start devoting more effort to this task. I will put the code somewhere later so you can take a look at it. --Kumioko (talk) 18:06, 7 June 2011 (UTC)
 * Be aware that 5.3.0.0 has broken Advanced F&R rules. They are fixed in the latest snapshot (rev7756 or later). -- Magioladitis (talk) 18:17, 7 June 2011 (UTC)
 * Yeah I saw that thanks...By the way I recently saw a tag that I thought might amuse you just for fun. --Kumioko (talk)


 * This tag is one of the big truths here in Wikipedia. the number of taggers is much bigger of the number of people who actually fix the problems at the moment, or at east it seems to be like this. -- Magioladitis (talk) 22:44, 7 June 2011 (UTC)

Thank You
Thank you for the barnstar. It felt like I accomplished something when names A thru F were cleared out. It is going much slower now. I've been doing H by hand because of the massive Arabic, Chinese, Icelandic and old Japanese names. One of these days Mandarax and I will be finished, plus whoever else is helping out. Bgwhite (talk) 23:56, 3 June 2011 (UTC)

Thank you very much!
Thank you very much for your contribution in improving the page Cláudio César Dias Baptista.187.13.71.100 (talk) 12:33, 7 June 2011 (UTC)

Recent change to Infobox MLB player
I think you should know your recent change to the infobox Infobox MLB player results in the "Died" parameter always showing up, even for living people. Obviously, that shouldn't be the case. Thought you should know so you can fix it or revert. Y2Kcrazyjoker4 (talk &bull; contributions) 16:16, 7 June 2011 (UTC)
 * Fixed for good this time. Please confirm. -- Magioladitis (talk) 16:21, 7 June 2011 (UTC)

Template:Single Infobox
I noticed this edit by Yobot. As Template:Single_Infobox did not exist (I've since created it as a redirect) this broke the infobox, which resulted in the deletion of an image and an audio file (since they appeared to be unused as a consequence of the breakage). As you are an admin, perhaps you could undelete these files, as well as those deleted as a consequence of similar Yobot edits on Shut Up (Kelly Osbourne song), Showgirl (song) and How Could I Be Wrong (and perhaps other articles). --Zundark (talk) 16:03, 8 June 2011 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the report. The wrong redirect issue was fixed since April and I though I have fixed all broken redirects. I'll see what I can do. -- Magioladitis (talk) 17:43, 8 June 2011 (UTC)
 * Restored 4 images and 1 audio file. Judging by the pages transcluding Single Infobox and but the reverts I have don in April I think we saved all files. If I missed something please contact me. Thanks again for the report and for creating the redirect. -- Magioladitis (talk) 17:53, 8 June 2011 (UTC)

Edit warring?
Eh... You seem to have left an edit warring warning on my talk page re: attention deficit hyperactivity disorder, a page I haven't edited since april, what gives? Dbpjmuf (talk) 19:45, 8 June 2011 (UTC)
 * I meant Prince Ludwig Rudolph of Hanover. -- Magioladitis (talk) 20:19, 8 June 2011 (UTC)

Deletionism
Dear Magioladitis, good day. I saw some deletions you've done in En Wiki's pages. Deletionism is not a good policy. There are informations which should be repeated in more than one page; if that is repetition of text, that is also a great help, avoiding time consuming and fatigue to the reader and avoiding also massive processing in En Wiki's server. Regards.187.13.30.222 (talk) 09:59, 9 June 2011 (UTC)
 * Replied in Portuguese page. -- Magioladitis (talk) 10:01, 9 June 2011 (UTC)

Request about page Multi-touch
(YahooBot (talk) 13:17, 9 June 2011 (UTC))

Hello dear Magioladitis (Yobot),

please review Multi-touch. It's looking like user:Alexanderaelberts trys to promote links of his own websides (SEO). I am new on Wiki and don't know how I can deleted this changes from user:Alexanderaelberts.

Sincerely, (YahooBot (talk) 13:17, 9 June 2011 (UTC))

John Chapman
FYI, see here. Frietjes (talk) 23:46, 10 June 2011 (UTC)

Unsubstituting templates
Since Yobot 15 is a similar type of task, I figured you might know the answer to this: is there a bot currently running on WP that unsubstitutes templates in Category:Pages with incorrectly substituted templates? Given that the page has only ever had a few entries on it most of the times I've checked, I'm inclined to think that there is...or that there are a lot of users monitoring the page like I am. On the other hand, I've unsubstituted substitutions that were nearly 24 hours old, which would tend to argue the reverse unless it's an infrequently-run bot. – RobinHood70 <sup style="line-height:0">talk 01:21, 11 June 2011 (UTC)
 * Sorry but I don't know. I 've seen people doing this manually based. -- Magioladitis (talk) 00:55, 19 June 2011 (UTC)
 * Okay, thanks anyway! I'll just keep doing it by-hand until someone tells me I don't need to. :) – RobinHood70 <sup style="line-height:0">talk 00:58, 19 June 2011 (UTC)
 * I just spotted this edit, so it looks like SmackBot de-substs at least some templates. – RobinHood70 <sup style="line-height:0">talk 23:00, 24 June 2011 (UTC)
 * I thought it was Rich making these changes manually. IF he created some logic for that it would be great. -- Magioladitis (talk) 10:00, 25 June 2011 (UTC)

Yobot: 4th of July-->4 July
Hi, this is a really old edit, but just a note that Yobot changed "4th of July" to "4 July", thinking it was an "ordinary" date. I've changed the article to a piped link to Independence Day (United States), hopefully that will be enough to stop this or other bots from changing it back again? Forgive me if this has already been addressed. Cheers, Valfontis (talk) 23:20, 11 June 2011 (UTC)
 * Very good job. The wikilink prevents the date of changing. I didn't know that AWB had this feature! -- Magioladitis (talk) 00:59, 19 June 2011 (UTC)

Peter O'Donnell
Please check your edits - you had him dying in the year 200 ! I have corrected the date. RGCorris (talk) 20:10, 13 June 2011 (UTC)
 * Ooops. Thanks for the heads up and fixing it! -- Magioladitis (talk) 20:57, 13 June 2011 (UTC)

Laughology
Hi, Yobot added a second period after a quote that had a period inside the quotation marks: here. Thought I'd better report as a glitch. Yngvadottir (talk) 15:54, 14 June 2011 (UTC)Re
 * Thanks! I'll see how we can fix it. -- Magioladitis (talk) 15:57, 14 June 2011 (UTC)

Arkansas Territorial Militia
Would you run Yobot on this article, Arkansas Territorial Militia. Thanks! Aleutian06 (talk) 20:47, 16 June 2011 (UTC)
 * Done. -- Magioladitis (talk) 21:10, 16 June 2011 (UTC)
 * You do fine work! Thanks!Aleutian06 (talk) 21:31, 16 June 2011 (UTC)

Robina Suwol Wikipedia
CentralAbe (talk) 03:44, 17 June 2011 (UTC)Central Abe on June 16th, 2011 New Wikipedia.Added following references below to the Robina Suwol page. {http://www.cityofcalabasas.com/environmental/carl-gibbs.html) http://en.wikinews.org/wiki/Mothers,_teachers_concerned_about_leukemia_deaths_at_California_elementary_school {http://www.indybay.org/newsitems/2010/09/12/18658541.php] http://apps.cdpr.ca.gov/schoolipm/school_ipm_law/ab_405.pdf http://www.firstamendmentcoalition.org/2009/10/first-amendment-coalition-names-free-speech-award-winners-and-one-loser/

Seldon Hunt
thanks for the advice wasn't aware that was the case. Dan arndt (talk) 08:36, 17 June 2011 (UTC)

Dave Lapp
Is it just the lack of an infobox on this stub that triggered the wikify tag?Cloveapple (talk) 01:47, 19 June 2011 (UTC)
 * I think the ratio of wikilinks is low but I am not 100% sure. -- Magioladitis (talk) 10:58, 20 June 2011 (UTC)
 * Ok. It has 4 links in and 4 out now so I took it off. Cloveapple (talk) 20:30, 20 June 2011 (UTC)

++
What does ++ mean? Dismas |(talk) 10:53, 20 June 2011 (UTC)
 * I usually use it for "follow up to the last edit". -- Magioladitis (talk) 10:57, 20 June 2011 (UTC)
 * I see. Thanks.  Dismas |(talk) 10:58, 20 June 2011 (UTC)

Automated template edits
Magioladitis, I've noticed recent your edits on Template:Infobox college coach, and wanted to ask you about the feasibility of doing some automated edits to some more fields in the template. I'd like to edit a few of the field names to remove some of the ambiguity in them, e.g.:


 * Title → CurrentTitle
 * College → CurrentTeam
 * Conference → CurrentConference
 * Years → PlayerYears
 * Team → PlayerTeams
 * Position → PlayerPositions
 * FootballHOF → FootballHOFYear
 * BBallHOF → BBallHOFYear
 * CBBallHOF → CBBallHOFYear

Is this something we could do with Yobot? Thanks for you help. Jweiss11 (talk) 17:13, 22 June 2011 (UTC)
 * Yes, I can do this but first you have to leave a message somewhere in template's talk page to check whether are any disagreements. -- Magioladitis (talk) 19:35, 22 June 2011 (UTC)

Okay, I posted a message about this on the template's talk page five days ago, and haven't had any objections. This list for fields to be renamed has grown though:


 * Title → current_title
 * College → current_team
 * Conference → current_conference
 * CurrentRecord → current_record
 * Years → player_years
 * Team → player_teams
 * Position → player_positions
 * CoachYears → coach_years
 * CoachTeams → coach_teams
 * AdminYears → admin_years
 * AdminTeams → admin_teams
 * OverallRecord → overall_record
 * BowlRecord → bowl_record
 * TournamentRecord → tournament_record
 * CoachingRecords → coaching_records
 * FootballHOF → CFBHOF_year
 * CollegeHOFID → CFBHOF_id
 * BBallHOF → BASKBHOF_year
 * BBallHOFID --> BASKBHOF_id
 * CBBallHOF → CBASKBHOF_year

Can we run with these? Thanks. Jweiss11 (talk) 19:36, 29 June 2011 (UTC)
 * I'll start tomorrow most probably. -- Magioladitis (talk) 20:35, 29 June 2011 (UTC)
 * Thank you! Jweiss11 (talk) 21:02, 29 June 2011 (UTC)
 * Magioladitis, I see you've begun to run these edits for Infobox college coach. Can we make another run through and clean up the spacing so that the equal signs line up vertically?  That would make things a lot easier to read and maintain.  Thanks.  Jweiss11 (talk) 03:06, 4 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Also, the last three fields in the template (BASKBHOF_year, BASKBHOF_id, CBASKBHOF_year) aren't displaying in the articles, e.g. Phog Allen. The bot changed them to BASKHOF_year, BASKHOF_id, CBASKHOF_year (no second B before HOF).  I suppose we could either rerun the bot to fix those field names out in the articles or just tweak them in the template.  Thanks. Jweiss11 (talk) 05:27, 4 July 2011 (UTC)

I changed the parameters in the template. There are 5,000 pages and I don't want to rerun on that list. I could have fixed the spacing too but now I think it's too late. Some people wait for edits like that to block Yobot and create some drama. -- Magioladitis (talk) 08:07, 4 July 2011 (UTC)


 * I'd love to get the spacing cleaned up at some point. I'd be happy to defend Yobot and make preemptive appeals to any expected complainers.  Let me know if and how I can help.  Thanks again for your help here. Jweiss11 (talk) 17:45, 5 July 2011 (UTC)

Template:Infobox sportsperson
You added one { too many here (Born). --bender235 (talk) 13:37, 27 June 2011 (UTC)
 * Fixed. Thanks! -- Magioladitis (talk) 13:43, 27 June 2011 (UTC)

WikiProject Code update
I updated the WikiProject code again. I added another couple projects that I ran across. I added all the projects I had previously commented out because I was finding several were getting added. I also resorted the projects to be in alpphabetical order. --Kumioko (talk) 18:51, 27 June 2011 (UTC)
 * Could you give me a ring too when you update the code. I found some minor problems.


 * 1) WP Poland -> WikiProject Poland
 * 2) WP Conservatism -> I couldn't find the Conservatism project in your code.
 * 3) WikiProject Disneyland merged with WikiProject Amusement Parks
 * 4) WikiProject Japanese Bibliography merged with WikiProject Japan
 * I use the code on 100-250 articles a day. The talk pages without listas is getting cleaned out.  A-J and T-Z are cleaned.  Around ~75 new talk pages a day come in and your code gets used on the new articles along with the remaining weird listas.
 * Magioladitis, whenever you have free time to go over Arabic names, just give a yell. Bgwhite (talk) 20:10, 27 June 2011 (UTC)
 * Glad to hear its getting used and I'll get those others fixed in a few and resave it. --Kumioko (talk) 20:20, 27 June 2011 (UTC)
 * Ok I think its fixed now, but let me know if I need to tweak the code for the 2 mergers. --Kumioko (talk) 20:42, 27 June 2011 (UTC)
 * I orphaned WP Conservatism to reduce problems with older versions and running bots. -- Magioladitis (talk) 20:47, 27 June 2011 (UTC)
 * Cool. Yobot was blocked because I used it to get rid of the two not replaced redirects. -- Magioladitis (talk) 21:20, 27 June 2011 (UTC)
 * I saw that, sorry about that. Its a good thing we have him or else Wikipedia would go straight to ... with all these rogue editors and bots we have running these days. What do they think this is an Online encyclopedia that anyone can edit? Sheesh. :-) --Kumioko (talk) 21:23, 27 June 2011 (UTC)

Bgwhite, in the future, feel free to update my code exactly as Kumioko does. -- Magioladitis (talk) 21:24, 27 June 2011 (UTC)
 * Thank you, but for now I'll pass on updating the code. In a previous life... would collect data from a couple thousand weather stations that come in from all different agencies and in all sort of formats, strip out the data and redo every 15 minutes.  Regular expressions was my friend.   But right now, I'll have a higher chance of screwing things up. 18:13, 28 June 2011 (UTC)

Capitals
Dear Yobot operator. If you really think that this was an important enough change to make an edit, then I recommend you use a capital next time: names of Wikipedia pages are spelled with a capital. That is: Disambiguation. Debresser (talk) 16:50, 30 June 2011 (UTC)
 * These pages are reported to the toolserver. Currently AWB retains the capitalisation. I'll add it to my to-discuss-list with Rjw. -- Magioladitis (talk) 17:02, 30 June 2011 (UTC)
 * Good. Note that User:SmackBot also capitalizes template names. And so is my personal custom. Debresser (talk) 17:06, 30 June 2011 (UTC)
 * Although I personally also think that capitalization is preferred some editors do not and so I believe that is why AWB leaves the capitalization that exists. Some editors had a lot of heartburn in the paste about various bots changeing the casing of things. --Kumioko (talk) 17:53, 30 June 2011 (UTC)

Please see
Could use your help at Template talk:Multiple issues. Thanks much! --Funandtrvl (talk) 19:55, 1 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Please see: Template talk:Multiple issues for more fixes needed. Thanks! --Funandtrvl (talk) 17:55, 5 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Well, I did a comprehensive overhaul, so I hope this is the last update for Template talk:Multiple issues! Thanks in advance! --Funandtrvl (talk) 23:01, 5 July 2011 (UTC)
 * OK, I listed the parameters that would need to be added, so that they will match the template names of the stand-alone templates. Let me know if you need a certain format, or is the list okay? --Funandtrvl (talk) 23:45, 5 July 2011 (UTC)
 * I need you to write me down the new names introduced separated by commas (1st name, 2nd name, etc.) so I can update AWB's code too. Thanks, Magioladitis (talk) 23:47, 5 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Hopefully, this is the format that you need:

primary sources, cleanup-laundry, over detailed, cleanup-spam, cleanup-reorganize, POV-check, criticism section, very long, example farm, cleanup-rewrite, cite check, quote farm, news release, unreliable sources

--Funandtrvl (talk) 00:06, 6 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Removed: moreref, morerefs, morereferences, expand, recent, from live parameter section, since they are listed in deprecated parameters section. See current sandbox version. --Funandtrvl (talk) 14:53, 6 July 2011 (UTC)

Template:Pittsburgh Steelers seasons
Hello Magioladitis, I'm TonyO13. I'm just here to let you know that I've re-created Template:Pittsburgh Steelers seasons. The reason being that currently every NFL, AFL, and Super Bowl Championship team (minus the NFL and AFL championship teams of 1966-1969, as the Super Bowl championship trumped each league's individual championship as the "ultimate prize") has the following template sequence: (team's amount of seasons, the championship team's roster, and the team's general history template. I did it because I wanted there to be uniformity for each championship winning team. I understand that redundancy was the reason this template was deleted the first time so I will now delete the seasons tab from the general Pittsburgh Steelers template. I hope you don't mind. Thanks. TonyO13 (talk) 07:28, 7 July 2011 (UTC) TonyO13
 * If the seasons navbox can be used separatelly from the Pittsburgh Steelers template, then it's a good move. -- Magioladitis (talk) 07:30, 7 July 2011 (UTC)

Would you mind?
Would you mind having a look at Paddy Kennedy (Sligo Gaelic footballer) and Infobox GAA player for some reason there is a - in front of his position and I can't work out where it's coming from Gnevin (talk) 13:07, 7 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Nevermind was looking in the wrong place Gnevin (talk) 13:22, 7 July 2011 (UTC)

Cheney Mason page...
Hello, I'm fairly new at this. I saw that there was no article. on Cheney Mason (the lawyer working the infamous Casey Anthony case), so I went ahead and started one. However, like with the Jose Baez article, I am concerned the Cheney Mason may be subject to vandalism in light of the immediate aftermath of the acquittal. Can you protect that page to a certain extent like the Jose Baez article? (I don't know how to do it.) Just a concern of mine. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Diligent007 (talk • contribs) 17:35, 8 July 2011 (UTC)

Infobox animal
Is it worth updating birth/death params in Infobox animal? -- WOSlinker (talk) 13:20, 9 July 2011 (UTC)
 * I think yes. Less than 200 transclusions. I'll do it with Yobot later today. could you update the code to use Infobox class? -- Magioladitis (talk) 13:25, 9 July 2011 (UTC)
 * updated. -- WOSlinker (talk) 14:35, 9 July 2011 (UTC)
 * All params updated. -- Magioladitis (talk) 08:29, 29 July 2011 (UTC)

Yobot Edit summary
Yobot made this edit to the Infobox scientist in the article Michael Gerzon. It deleted the blank parameter box_width. Good edit; the blank parameter should not have been left lying around. However, the Edit summary left by the robot was "Updated infobox (BRFA 15) per Template talk:Infobox person/birth death params using AWB (7782)". This Edit summary is both cryptic and misleading. What is "BRFA 15"? I cannot find a mention of this anywhere; this is cryptic. Also, the discussion the link refers to makes no mention of a box_width parameter or, indeed, anything to do with widths; this is misleading. Please improve the Edit summaries Yobot deposits. Thank you. (If you wish to respond, please do so here.) HairyWombat 03:49, 10 July 2011 (UTC)


 * Thanks for the feedback. You are right, I need better edit summaries. BRFA15 refers to the number of the approved task. BRFA stands for Bot Request For Approval. I remove the unused/deprecated parameters and change others to their most common version (for example DateOfBirth to birth_date, which is the name used by Infobox person). box_width is not supported anymore in order to have same size in all infoboxes around. -- Magioladitis (talk) 07:28, 10 July 2011 (UTC)

OK, so why not make "BRFA 15" a link to User:Yobot? The link to "Template talk:Infobox person/birth death params" is more problematic. What is required is a link to a concensus about these tasks. You seem to be suggesting that there hasn't even been a discussion (other than of birth/death parameters). I must suggest that you initiate such a discussion somewhere. I stress that I don't have a problem with the edits the bot is performing; there just seems to be a lack of openness. HairyWombat 13:29, 10 July 2011 (UTC)


 * The choice of "birth death params" as a subpage name is problematic since the discussion there becomes more general after some point. I'll do somehting later today. Thanks, Magioladitis (talk) 14:22, 10 July 2011 (UTC)

Also, the parameter box_width is still in both the doc page and source code of Infobox scientist. bodystyle width, which it uses, is also in the doc page of the meta-template Infobox. You say that box_width is not supported, but that does not seem to be the case. As long as it remains in doc pages then people will continue to use it, and your efforts to get rid of it will fail. HairyWombat 14:58, 10 July 2011 (UTC)


 * I removed it from Infobox scientist documentation. Infobox has to have it in the case we change the width later globally. Thanks for the great feeedback. I'll try yo do as much as possible and try to write some guidelines on the matter. I have to make a to-do list probably... I didn't expect that I would take so much effort when I started this project. -- Magioladitis (talk) 18:45, 10 July 2011 (UTC)

The alternative is to seek help. Reading Template talk:Infobox person/birth death params, there seems to be a group of people interested in this. Why not make your to-do list, but then push that out so that others can take up some of the burden? OK, I am done now. Bye. HairyWombat 21:38, 10 July 2011 (UTC)
 * WOSlinker and Plastikspork help in the project too. -- Magioladitis (talk) 21:41, 10 July 2011 (UTC)

Heinrich Rau
Hello Magioladitis, the article Heinrich Rau is still under construction. Very very slowly, because in general, I have no time. Concerning the top picture: I find the current picture may be sufficient only in a adequate size. There are no really good picture for a top picture at Commons. Existing pictures, which would be convenient for the top, like |1 this one are not available there. But other pictures from Deutsche Fotothek are already uploaded. Do you know, whether it's possible to upload this picture too? Kind regards Henrig (talk) 21:31, 11 July 2011 (UTC) P.S.: I see, it's no direct link. You can find the pictures there by searching with Heinrich Rau. Henrig (talk) 21:41, 11 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Hi and thanks for contacting me but I am not expert in photos. You 'll have to check the copyright status of the photo. I think the best place to ask is Media copyright questions. Also check the upload wizard to details. If you still have problems you can right me again. -- Magioladitis (talk) 21:45, 11 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Thank you Henrig (talk) 21:45, 11 July 2011 (UTC)

Defaultsorts
Pretty sure these defaultsorts aren't required anymore. Headbomb {talk / contribs / physics / books} 13:18, 12 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Yes. I contacted Reedy already we'll fix it soon. I activated "DEFAULTSORT restriction". Probably I have to update all my settings file. IT seems I missed some. -- Magioladitis (talk) 13:21, 12 July 2011 (UTC)
 * -- Magioladitis (talk) 10:21, 22 July 2011 (UTC)

date for Multiple Issues
It keeps stuff simple to date MI too, and it is harmless. It's been happening since the template was created, it's annoying, but understandable, that AWB removes that date. Rich Farmbrough, 10:38, 13 July 2011 (UTC).


 * AWB removes all deprecated parameters and date if not needed too. I don't know how we solve this problem. I don't know Perl to help on that. -- Magioladitis (talk) 10:41, 13 July 2011 (UTC)
 * I think you should just remove Multiple issues from your bot's list. AnomieBot fixes tags too and Yobot occasionally fixes Multiple issues. -- Magioladitis (talk) 11:58, 13 July 2011 (UTC)

tracking
Now that you've finished off Infobox person, I've added tracking to Infobox writer. -- WOSlinker (talk) 15:15, 14 July 2011 (UTC)

All the lived parameters used by Infobox military person have been split into birth_date and death_date. -- WOSlinker (talk) 17:56, 14 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Perfect! I 'll leave a note to Infobox's talk page. We should switch the style to coincide the other infoboxes. -- Magioladitis (talk) 18:04, 14 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Infobox writer finished too. -- Magioladitis (talk) 08:28, 29 July 2011 (UTC)

Merging fields
Would it be possible for you to discuss the changes you make, rather than just re-reverting after your changes have been reverted. Merging the birth place and birth date fields makes the template look very awkward because there is not much space between the rows so it looks too squashed. Personally I also think having separate rows and titles for Birth place and Birth date is more straightforward than simply "Born". Was there any meta discussion about this, or is it just one of the Wikipedia things where one or two people have an idea and then impose it across the board in the interests of "standardisation"? Number  5  7  11:16, 15 July 2011 (UTC)
 * There is this discussion in Template talk:Infobox person/birth death params but I don;t know if it fully covers it. I 'll try to open a generalised discussion. -- Magioladitis (talk) 11:46, 15 July 2011 (UTC)

Removing placeholders
Consensus? Is there consensus for this? Last I saw, it was a leave-it-be thing. I'm happy to remove the placeholders, though and would prefer that it was policy. —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 21:40, 16 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Yes, you are right the previous consensus was "placeholders are useless but no worth to remove them" but I think now in the frame of standardisation we can remove them since we are already touch hundreds of pages. I can add it as a comment to the infobox standardisation talk page but this page is not well populated. Maybe if we leave a comment to Infobox person talk page? -- Magioladitis (talk) 22:00, 16 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Here's a link to the discussion from 2008: Image_placeholders. If image place holders were ever needed, a better place would have been to add them at the template level rather than on articles then it would have meant that all articles without an image set would get a placeholder image instead rather than just a few of the articles, but since they are not, better to be consistent and remove them all. There is not that many really, although it's a few to many to do by hand but not a big job for a bot. -- WOSlinker (talk) 22:07, 16 July 2011 (UTC)
 * I need someone to leave a note in WP:BOTREQ that we resumed the image placeholders removal. -- Magioladitis (talk) 22:13, 16 July 2011 (UTC)
 * There is an active discussion in Village_pump_(proposals) at the moment. -- Magioladitis (talk) 08:27, 29 July 2011 (UTC)

Infobox musical artist categories
I'm currently working through the band articles, removing the Born and Died params. Your bot could easily do the blank ones. After that there's quite a lot left in the other category which need more work. -- WOSlinker (talk) 20:34, 18 July 2011 (UTC)
 * I already started doing the blank ones :) -- Magioladitis (talk) 20:42, 18 July 2011 (UTC)
 * I don't understand, why is the bot removing these parameters? In cases like this it seems appropriate. doom gaze   (talk)  21:44, 18 July 2011 (UTC)
 * They are empty anyway and Born is being replaced by birth_date and birth_place. -- Magioladitis (talk) 22:25, 18 July 2011 (UTC)

Infobox edits
Please explain I'm not trying to be a jerk, but what is the value of removing empty, but inevitable fields in person infoboxes (e.g. )? This just creates slightly more work later, right? —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 00:19, 19 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Dead= is being replaced by |death_date= and |death_place=. Till now death date and place information was stored at one parameter. I don't think it's much work later since now all standard parameters have the same name for all infoboxes for persons which means that everyone would be able to add them without consulting the documentation. I also have in mind to make a bot run in the future which will add birth/death information based on Persondata. Anyway, I modified the code to replace Death with death_place instead of removing it. I hope this is better. -- Magioladitis (talk) 03:42, 19 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Just to make clear: "Dead" is not an alternative name of "death_date". Right now it contains information for both death date and place. Thus, it has to be split. -- Magioladitis (talk) 09:12, 19 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Ah yes I knew that. Thanks. —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 01:48, 20 July 2011 (UTC)

Hi-Fi murders
I wonder if you might take a look at the infobox mess on this page. Thank you. Betty Noire (talk) 12:37, 20 July 2011 (UTC)
 * I am thinking about it. I don't really know. Maybe use Template:Infobox historical event? -- Magioladitis (talk) 13:02, 20 July 2011 (UTC)

Yobot flaw
Your bot has a defect in it. It recently edited Howling Bells for the purpose of updating the infobox, but it also made additional edits throughout the article, which has now wrecked half of the references. It de-italicized the work parameter in all citations, consequently italicizing all work. Mattchewbaca (meow) 20:57, 22 July 2011 (UTC)
 * It's not Yobot's fault. In cite web work must be italsied. Its documentation reads "Do not italicize; the software will do so automatically.". -- Magioladitis (talk) 22:50, 22 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Well, the work field in cite web is an anomaly and contradicts itself. If you take a look here at the following examples for citing sources, it states that books, journals, newspapers are to be in italics, webpages are not. Mattchewbaca (meow) 01:12, 23 July 2011 (UTC)

Signatures on Infobox military person
Hello. Thanks for adding the signatures to the infoboxes but it seems like the one for the military person is too big and you can't change the size. See Charles Burnett Wilson. --KAVEBEAR (talk) 14:33, 23 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Fixed now. -- Magioladitis (talk) 14:59, 23 July 2011 (UTC)

Removal of WildBot tags
According to User:WildBot, the tags are supposed to be removed by Yobot. However, since WildBot is no longer running and there continue to be many tags left, I am assuming that Yobot is not doing this task anymore. Why? &mdash; Train2104 (talk • contribs • count) 21:39, 23 July 2011 (UTC)
 * I just did 335 more right now, cleaning the current list. This is a low priority task for me. -- Magioladitis (talk) 22:33, 23 July 2011 (UTC)

Yobot
Hi Magioladitis, I'm a fairly new contributor to Wikipedia, and I'm trying to understand how it works. For instance, bots. I've seen bots do what I thought were pretty radical, questionable changes. I was afraid of those bots.

Yobot doesn't seem like that. It seems to make sensible, non bullying changes. However, or maybe because of that, I'm writing you. I hope you don't mind helping a beginner with some questions.

I edited a page, Sallie Ford and the Sound Outside. Now it's been edited by Yobot.

My first observation is, some of the edits look identical to the original text. I did notice that some caps were changed to lowercase, but sometimes, such as line 22, I don't see any difference. What is the difference? My other question is, why did the bot change Dirty Radio to "Dirty Radio?" It is the name of an album, not an individual song, so it should be italicized, or underlined, shouldn't it? Is there a manual of style for Wikipedia? If so, where is it?

Thanks, Jean ±±±± — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jeaniac (talk • contribs) 05:58, 25 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Hi and thanks for contacting. Here is an analysis of the edits:
 * On line 1: Changed deprecated Uppercase parameters with lowercase parameters. In this way the infobox will use same style parameter with all other infoboxes around wikipedia.
 * On line 22: Removed a comma after the reference. There was a comma before the reference too and by WP:PAIC and other Manual of Style instructions punctuation must be before the references.
 * On line 66. The thing you see is not a " but a double ' . This produces italics in wikicode. In general prefer wiki syntax against html code. It makes text easier to read.
 * I hope I helped. -- Magioladitis (talk) 07:05, 25 July 2011 (UTC)

Yes, thank you! Now I'm going to try to sign this with 4 tildes. Not sure why I can't get that to work. Jeaniac (talk) 00:05, 26 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Happy editing in Wikipedia! -- Magioladitis (talk) 00:07, 26 July 2011 (UTC)

Yobot and dab page
Yobot labelled Pentagalloyl glucose as a stub, though it has Biochemistry disambiguation. Perhaps that's a dab template Yobot doesn't know about? PamD (talk) 22:45, 25 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Thanks. You are right. This dab template was created recently in 22 February 2011 and has only 4 transclusions. -- Magioladitis (talk) 22:46, 25 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Sent to TfD. -- Magioladitis (talk) 22:52, 25 July 2011 (UTC)

Reply
Hi Magioladitis, I'm sorry for only noticing now that you prefer not to receive Talkback messages. In case you now assume I'll send them anyway and so aren't checking my talk page, I'll tell you here that I've responded. Also, in the future, I won't message you here regarding replies on my talk page. You can check it as you like. Armadillopteryxtalk 01:40, 26 July 2011 (UTC)
 * No problem. In fact you talkback messages were good because I did a lot of edits yesterday and most probably I wouldn't have noticed your first reply till today. -- Magioladitis (talk) 07:33, 26 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Okay, I'm glad it worked out. I don't know whether you've spoken with Rjwilmsi yet, but if you haven't, it might be relevant to mention that the APA and Chicago style guides prefer not to italicize web page titles, while MLA does prefer to use the italics. I know that Wikipedia citation guidelines are not strictly any one of these, but I've seen mention of all of them in various places, such as at WP:FN, so I assume their conventions are at least relevant.
 * APA: See section titled "Nonperiodical Web Document, Web Page, or Report."
 * MLA: See section titled "Basic Style for Citations of Electronic Sources (Including Online Databases)"
 * Chicago: See section titled "Website."
 * I hope this information can be useful. Armadillopteryxtalk 03:17, 27 July 2011 (UTC)

Yobot and infobox musical artist
I can't see a reason for this bot edit, particularly as this is an article that I just created recently and the infobox is taken directly from the current version on the template page. When I find an image to use here, the 'landscape' parameter is likely to be used, so removing it doesn't really help. --Michig (talk) 06:31, 26 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Most likely it won't be used. A very small percentage uses landscape with a proper parameter (i.e. "yes"). At the moment only this Infobox uses landscape. It should be a "yes or nothing" parameter to avoid problems. I'll change the manual soon. -- Magioladitis (talk) 07:27, 26 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Check Category:Articles using Infobox musical artist with deprecated parameters (uppercase) and Category:Articles using Infobox musical artist with deprecated parameters (landscape). -- Magioladitis (talk) 07:28, 26 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Can you point me to where the landscape parameter became deprecated? It's still in the template and in my view should stay there.--Michig (talk) 07:33, 26 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Just to make clear: I don't removed yes. The trackingcategory has only those that have a parameter other than "yes" i.e. the have no effect to the rendering of the page. Consider this cleaning more as "removing unused parameters". Now on landscape: No other infoboxes use it because image_size can be adjusted to cover it. Anyway, let's see how many infoboxes actually use it with parameter "yes" and we could initiate a discussion in infobox's talk page. -- Magioladitis (talk) 07:43, 26 July 2011 (UTC)

Redirect on template documentation
I undid your edit here. These lists of redirects on template documentation are very important to assist bot owners in programming their bots with all the necessary variations of a template. Debresser (talk) 13:32, 26 July 2011 (UTC)


 * Another thing is that I think we should have a bot clean up all redirects and remove them afterwards. But that is a personal sentiment which I believe is not shared by most editors. Debresser (talk) 13:33, 26 July 2011 (UTC)
 * OK but this is a temporary list of redirects that pop up everyday. I think programmers should use Whattranscludshere: Moreover "Somefootnotes" was kept as "orphan, no harm". Nobody will ever use it. -- Magioladitis (talk) 13:35, 26 July 2011 (UTC)
 * You seem to lean a little towards my idea of deleting part of these redirects, possibly after replacing them? Debresser (talk) 13:40, 26 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Most of these redirects are useless but I don't agree with mass deletion of all orphan redirects because are really helpful to tag. Then a bot can fix the tag's name. On the other hand I don't agree with the mass creation of redirects. "Somefootnotes" is one of whose I would delete but it survived RfD and I am not willing to send tenths of redirects to RfD. I just think that by having redirects sections we just encourage the creation of more and more redirects which will probably not used at all. -- Magioladitis (talk) 13:45, 26 July 2011 (UTC)
 * I never considered that. That having a list of redirects could stimulate making more redirects. I always thought these lists were the results of moves and merges. And I don't think that the danger of these lists stimulating creation of other redirects is very real, to be frank. Debresser (talk) 13:52, 26 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Check it. There are some editors actually creating redirects :) I think Refimprove is a good example. Check this for example. -- Magioladitis (talk) 13:55, 26 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Quite awful indeed. Debresser (talk) 14:04, 26 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Yes. Some of these names are the result of great inspiration. -- Magioladitis (talk) 14:08, 26 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Yes, the exhaustive redirect lists I created a long time ago, when SB was running purely off hand-coded AWB. Now AWB covers most of them as a built in, and SB (HPB) both perl and AWB use "what-redirects-here" functionality.  I tend now to reduce the documentation to 1 useful short-cut.  The risks with redirect proliferation are real, I tried to explain them on one of SmackBot's BRFA's, but one participant just didn't get it and took everything as personal affront, the other took the inclusion of a long list of possible redirects (which was there because the first participant didn't understand without a concrete example - or it transpired even with one) as an affront to his bandwidth...  What fun we have. Rich Farmbrough, 01:26, 31 July 2011 (UTC).


 * I see. Magioladitis, that would mean, that the reason I referred to isn't true any more. So perhaps indeed some of the less plausible redirects could be removed. Debresser (talk) 17:38, 31 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Debresser it's your call. :) -- Magioladitis (talk) 17:41, 31 July 2011 (UTC)

Related but not really
Could you help him with this? I think I'd have no problem with it, but you are the expert. Debresser (talk) 14:25, 26 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Done. -- Magioladitis (talk) 15:06, 26 July 2011 (UTC)

What is the license for uploading public domain images?
Hello. I have found a screenshot from the 1921 movie Dracula's Death, and I was hoping to upload it. It is the only known surviving screenshot of the film, so I thought it would be appropriate to add it with a caption saying "This is the only known surviving screenshot from this now-lost film", or something like that. I know how to do that, but I just wanted to make sure that this screenshot from a 91 year-old film is OK to upload, because the people who would in any way, shape or form own a copyright to the film are probably subject to the "life of the author +70 years" thing. I know I've gone a bit TL;DR here but I just don't want this historically signifigant image to be one of the many, many, many, many images to be deleted from wikimedia on a daily basis due to copyright issues. So, with the information provided, should I upload it? - Another n00b (talk) 14:38, 27 July 2011 (UTC)
 * I asked some fellow admins to answer this question, because I am not expert on image copyrights but it seems nobody answered for 3 days. I am sorry for that. I think there will be no problem with copyright issues if you upload the photo. Give it a try. -- Magioladitis (talk) 00:52, 31 July 2011 (UTC)

Template:Infobox adult biography‎ change made & to come??
I see you pushed through a change in this template to do away with the "Image:" bit. Thank you for that! I'd been half-tempted more than once to attempt that myself - just didn't know how to get all those template changes made to the articles...

In fact looking at what the Adult Biography template says now and comparing that to the generic Infobox person, there's only a couple of fields difference between them:
 * gender is present in Adult. That was because the Adult Biography used to have code that handled Measurements and gender was used to handle some routing. If anything, I think this can probably be culled.
 * alias in Adult is called other_names in Person. Maybe do another template change & switch??
 * eye_color, hair_color and skin_color are present in Adult. Eye and hair colour can be changed these days readily and skin colour can be inferred by ethnicity. Maybe these can be removed?
 * spelling in Adult, which is used to support the above fields.
 * number_of_films present in Adult.

Hmm... given that list, maybe we should just ditch the Adult Biography template and move everything to the standard Person one? I wanna bounce that idea off you before bringing it to the larger WP:P* group (such as it is these days....) Tabercil (talk) 01:10, 31 July 2011 (UTC)
 * I agree with your comments. In the past I tried to do some work in adult and model. Please left a note to the related project and the template's talkpage. After some days we could proceed with the changes. Removing gender is a good start. -- Magioladitis (talk) 07:12, 1 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Okay, P* note left at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Pornography and there was already a note presnt at Template talk:Infobox adult biography on that. As you said, give it a few days for folks to respond but I'm fairly sure we'll end up making the move. Tabercil (talk) 12:28, 1 August 2011 (UTC)

Infobox to wrap medal tables
I see you are going through wrapping medal tables with Infobox sportsperson. This just seems to me like unnecessary server load for no great benefit, but assuming there is consensus somewhere for this to be done, bear in mind a couple of points:

1. While doing this, you should also add show-medals=yes to the infobox. Otherwise you are effectively locking in "yes" as the default for this parameter (suppose consensus changes that medal tables should not be shown by default, then we will end up infoboxes showing nothing at all except the date of birth, or whatever else you may choose to add). On principle, technical reasons should never block consensus.

2. Be careful of cases such as Philip Noel-Baker, Baron Noel-Baker. He certailnly deserves an infobox, but it's definitely not going to be sportsperson, despite his winning an Olympic silver medal.

--NSH001 (talk) 14:53, 31 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Added show-medals=yes. More comments coming soon. I am having lunch right now! -- Magioladitis (talk) 14:58, 31 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Be also aware that infobox sportsperson doesn't imply the person is an athlete. It's just an infobox to store quick information about the person. Infobox's name doesn't mean anything. -- Magioladitis (talk) 15:01, 31 July 2011 (UTC)
 * I don't add infobox sportsperson if there is an other infobox present in the page. -- Magioladitis (talk) 15:11, 31 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Moreover, I only add to the pages that uses image placeholders i.e. the medal template is infobox-like. -- Magioladitis (talk) 15:12, 31 July 2011 (UTC)

Paring down excess parameters
Please see: Template talk:Multiple issues. There are 6 parameters there that could be moved into the depr. paras section. I'll keep a lookout for the articles that drop into the maint. cat. I know you're at wikimania, I'll be patient! --Funandtrvl (talk) 01:58, 1 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Done. See you soon. :) -- Magioladitis (talk) 07:08, 1 August 2011 (UTC)

Edit on Talk:Brian Herbert
I just wanted to make sure you knew that both "blp" and "living" can be used in the parameter (see this edit). ··· 日本穣 ? · 投稿  · Talk to Nihonjoe ·  Join WikiProject Japan ! 05:37, 5 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Yes, I know. Someone added "living" a couple of days ago. Since this wasn't discussed in the talk page and the edit summary isn't that descriptive most likely the bots will get confused and it will result in duplicated parameters. I was thinking of a minor cleanup. -- Magioladitis (talk) 06:05, 5 August 2011 (UTC)

Doh
Please disregard the previous message - I had tricked myself with WikiBlame into thinking that Yobot had added vandalism to an article when it was actually an IP. causa sui (talk) 19:39, 5 August 2011 (UTC)
 * No problem. -- Magioladitis (talk) 21:31, 5 August 2011 (UTC)

Infobox handball biography
Hello!

First of all I would like to say a big thanks for tidying the infobox – it looks much prettier than before :) However, as a checked out some bios, if there is no data given for the national years parameter, then the national team and matches/goals did not appear. I do not know whether it is my mistake (browser, etc.) or something is wrong with the template? Could you please check it? Thank you!

And regarding this issue, since you look experienced in this area, could you offer something how to fix the int. app./goals to be aligned to the right side of the infobox? Because as of now it follows closely the national team with only a small separation and I think it looks a bit ugly and a bit messy.

A third thing is that I just plan to cover the running season of some clubs and would like to ask if it would be possible to add an optional "current season" parameter to the handball club infobox? I really don't want to steal you valuable time as you definitely have a lot to do, but it would be very much appreciated. (Or a redirect to someone who is home in the topic.)

Thank you, Thehoboclown (talk) 12:29, 6 August 2011 (UTC)
 * I guess the first two are done. I'll try to do the third one but it may take some time since I am on holidays. -- Magioladitis (talk) 07:09, 9 August 2011 (UTC)


 * Thanks for the quick action. Enjoy your time! :) -- Thehoboclown (talk) 10:48, 9 August 2011 (UTC)

Sidor Artemievič Kovpak ancestors on the run for assassination
Me and my brother Sibirian Artjom (named after Sydor's father Artjom) we are the youngest of the four Great grand anserters of Sydor Kovpak. We need help and or life is in danger. My father has made for us a social program this program is of social effort and is the fight to rescue Missing children in the Ukraine in or name! For this we survived assassinations and now we are in a situation that needs attention of all who are involved in Sydor’s vision and heroics acts for the Russian and Ukrainian people. I ask can you get in contact with us to listen to or story. Or email is 1400heroes@gmail.com and Verrazzo@hotmail.com — Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.61.202.149 (talk) 15:25, 6 August 2011 (UTC)

Yobot problem with misplaced captions
This edit by Yobot broke an image, by joining the filename to a misplaced caption. (It may be difficult for the bot to edit correctly in such a situation, but it should at least be able to detect the presence of the extra text and not edit when it finds any (and maybe flag the page for human attention).) --Zundark (talk) 12:58, 7 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the report. I'll do something about it. I checked tenths of edits right now and I haven't noticed any more mistakes. We are almost done with the changes in infoboxes but I'll try to change the code for future use. -- Magioladitis (talk) 15:21, 7 August 2011 (UTC)


 * I've since found three more examples: Walker Evans (racer), Tighe Scott, Anastasia Malhotra. --Zundark (talk) 15:54, 7 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Wow thanks. There were thousands of edits the last month. Please be bold and fix everything you find. -- Magioladitis (talk) 16:07, 7 August 2011 (UTC)

Yobot
Task 15

On several articles, I accidently placed the name of the physical location of the book (like university or library) in the location parameter on the template:cite book, the location parameter was actually for the city of publication or printing, as I later found out.

I have been manually fixing my mistake by deleting the name of the university/library from the location parameter, and placing in the city in which the book was made, however, this is going to be tedious, I request you modify Yobot to fix this error, just program him to remove anything containing the words "university", or "library", from the location parameter, since the location parameter should only contain the name of a city.DÜNGÁNÈ (talk) 01:31, 9 August 2011 (UTC)
 * User:Rjwilmsi is the best person to ask for something like that. -- Magioladitis (talk) 13:32, 9 August 2011 (UTC)

Infobox netball biography
Hi, Magioladitis. Were the changes you made to the infobox part of an effort to standardise sportsperson infoboxes? I've seen yours and WOSlinker's infobox subpages and was wondering if there was a more centralised discussion. The missing fields you mentioned to WOSlinker can be easily readded (minus the old  -delimited lists, which I'll be glad to update), but I wanted to know first if there were any more parameters that were set to be standardised. Cheers. – Liveste (talk • edits) 12:16, 10 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Yes, these changes are part of this effort. Can you please readd the missing parameters? I could then make minor fixes. No parameter names changes are needed. I put a lot of effort to use the same or similar parameters in all infoboxes. Thanks a lot. -- Magioladitis (talk) 20:01, 10 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Check our progress in User:WOSlinker/Infoboxes. Happy editing! -- Magioladitis (talk) 20:03, 10 August 2011 (UTC)

Infobox musical artist updates
For those articles in Category:Articles using Infobox musical artist with deprecated parameters, just wondering if some of the Born & Died params could be automatically replaced with birth_date & death_date where the start of the params value was { and the end of the value was } which would mean that the params value was probably just a birth or death date using birth date or death date and age. I had a look at the code in User:Yobot/Rugby and think that something similar to what is below might work. -- WOSlinker (talk) 17:50, 13 August 2011 (UTC)

It's buggy :( Wikipedia_talk:AutoWikiBrowser/Bugs. -- Magioladitis (talk) 08:30, 14 August 2011 (UTC)


 * I think it was a problem when Born or Died was empty. Try this... -- WOSlinker (talk) 09:55, 14 August 2011 (UTC)

Finished this one. -- Magioladitis (talk) 09:52, 6 September 2011 (UTC)

Porting AWB in Jetpack
Hey dude! When you get back shot an introductory mail with the devs to see how we can kickstart the project :) See ya ! Ppapadeas 23:01, 17 August 2011 (UTC)  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ppapadeas (talk • contribs)
 * Nice to hear from you. Still on holidays. Send me an email and I ll send you my mobile telephone number. -- Magioladitis (talk) 23:06, 17 August 2011 (UTC)

Yobot edit summaries
Could you please take a look at Bot owners' noticeboard and see if the suggestions might apply to your bot? Feel free to add your own suggestions and comments there too. Headbomb {talk / contribs / physics / books} 21:15, 21 August 2011 (UTC)

12th Arkansas Infantry Regiment
If you would run Ybot on the following article, 12th Arkansas Infantry Regiment, I would be ever so grateful! When you have time, running it all the List of Arkansas Civil War Confederate units would be outstanding! Thanks Aleutian06 (talk) 19:01, 22 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Done all articles I found on the list. -- Magioladitis (talk) 07:18, 24 August 2011 (UTC)

12th Arkansas Infantry Regiment
Would you please run Ybot on the 12th Arkansas Infantry Regiment. Running Ybot on the rest of the Arkansas Confederate Units as you have time would be a great help also! Thanks. Aleutian06 (talk) 19:03, 22 August 2011 (UTC)

the Lambrettas Mark Ellis seems to be a different guy as Flood
hi,

sorry for the random post to your talk page, but i'm not sure where else to go:

it seems http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flood_%28producer%29 wrongly says "From 1978-79 he was also the bassist for the Mod revival band The Lambrettas."

the Lambrettas' Mark Ellis seems to be a different guy as Flood, as per:

http://punkmodpop.free.fr/lambrettasview.htm

hope you can sort this out, thanks for your help

cheers,

http://www.discogs.com/user/8m2stereo

178.202.142.44 (talk) 14:40, 23 August 2011 (UTC)

WikiChevrons

 * Thanks!!! -- Magioladitis (talk) 08:33, 26 August 2011 (UTC)

Template talk:Multiple issues
I know you're busy, when you have time, please see: Template talk:Multiple issues for an update which removes the "grammer" parameter, which redirects to "copy edit" now, and adds the "no footnotes" parameter, plus other corrections to missing categories, wording, etc. --Funandtrvl (talk) 18:25, 6 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Done by Martin. -- Magioladitis (talk) 18:12, 27 February 2012 (UTC)

Superscripted ordinals
Hi Magio, are there any potential false positives you are aware of that I ought to avoid when normalising superscripts? -- Ohconfucius  ¡digame! 06:14, 8 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Only the one that mentioned on the discussion (Ordinal indicator). Good luck and many thanks! -- Magioladitis (talk) 06:25, 8 September 2011 (UTC)
 * If the text before the sup ordinal is a number I think you won't have any problems. I encountered some crazy situations in math articles. -- Magioladitis (talk) 06:27, 8 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Thanks. I've added a line to my script. Will suck it and see... -- Ohconfucius  ¡digame! 08:29, 8 September 2011 (UTC)

Yobot making insignificant changes
Magioladitis, it looks as if Yobot is in some edits making insignificant, inconsequential changes only for the moment, e.g. ... It doesn't seem to introdcue any errors, so this is not urgent, but it shouldn't be making edits that have no actual improvements (category works just as well as Category). Fram (talk) 14:01, 9 September 2011 (UTC)
 * When I took this CHECKWIKI BRFa I promised to perform an one-off scan for all errors. This will only be done once to clear any backlogs. Some lists were not able to open to the toolserver due to huge backlog. Thanks for not stopping the bot. The task will be done in some hours. Check my logs and you will see I keep record of the insignificant tasks that are to be done only once. -- Magioladitis (talk) 16:04, 9 September 2011 (UTC)

Molecular formula disambiguation
This seems to be another dab template Yobot doesn't know about - see this edit where Yobot has expanded the template name from MolFormDisambig but then inappropriately added stub and orphan. Pam D  23:09, 9 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Someone renamed the template just two weeks ago. fixes it. -- Magioladitis (talk) 14:24, 10 September 2011 (UTC)

Broken men
Broken men is a one line stub with 4 notes and 4 references. The stub reads
 * "In Ireland and Scotland broken men were clansmen who no longer had any allegiance to their original clan and might be outlaws."

Your bot, Yobot, made the following edit:
 * 17:30, 9 September 2011 Yobot (WP:CHECKWIKI error 18 fixes + general fixes (BRFA 15), added wikify tag using AWB)

Why did your bot place a three line (minimum, or 11 line maximum) box on the top of the page one line long? How did it come to the conclusion that there was anything wrong with the page and has it been doing similar things to other stubs? --PBS (talk) 12:28, 10 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Now it's fine. Yobot won't retag the article. -- Magioladitis (talk) 14:28, 10 September 2011 (UTC)


 * Did you resolve it for just this one page or did you tweak you algorithm for all such similar pages? -- PBS (talk) 15:40, 10 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Only for this page. The page uses Sfn to import references. We have rules for Harv but I guess we need to expand them. -- Magioladitis (talk) 16:17, 10 September 2011 (UTC)
 * I user sfn a lot because it is shorter and it has the advantage of auto-magically combining identical tags making page maintenance easier. I have created several pages in the last week like this eg Shropshire in the English Civil War I only use harv and harvnb for notes were a quote or a summary of the reference is needed. -- PBS (talk) 01:05, 11 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Sfn is very good. The only problem is that is hides the thing and a part of the text isn't considered a a reference by awb at the moment. Rjw has done similar fixes to awb's code in the past. I'll contact him. -- Magioladitis (talk) 01:07, 11 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Thanks. The other question is of course the inclusion of maintenance templates on stub pages. Personally I think that inter-editorial messages should be placed on the talk pages (which is what they are for) not in article space particularly with stubs as the stub template covers issues like this for the reader. There is no need to comment on this comment, as I am sure you have more pressing things to do than discuss this further with me. -- PBS (talk) 22:07, 11 September 2011 (UTC)
 * There were many discussions on the placement of maintenance tags (top, bottom, talk page, not at all). It seems that right now the majority thinks the article itself is the best choice. You can always initiate another discussion. I don't have a strong opinion, I am more concerned how to motivate editors actually fix the problems than just tag. I wish bot could do all the tagging. -- Magioladitis (talk) 22:24, 11 September 2011 (UTC)

your university talk
I just looked at your talk. You need to warn people to have some eye bleach handy... I didn't know your photo would be there :) I wanted to say thank you for all your work on AWB.  I have really enjoyed being a gnome using AWB.  Thank you. Bgwhite (talk) 03:27, 16 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Hehe. Wikipedia is not censored :) This kind of messages keep me going :) Thank you for the great work too. -- Magioladitis (talk) 08:35, 16 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Glad to see your taking a Vacation. Its nice to get a break from Wikiwork from time to time. Good luck on finishing the PhD. Still got a few classes to finish for mine so it'll be a while. --Kumioko (talk) 14:03, 16 September 2011 (UTC)

Checkwiki

 * Hi, How can you make WP:CHECKWIKI error fixes with WP:AWB?--Geier17 (talk) 12:43, 21 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Choose "Checkwiki error (number)" in the listmaker, enter the number of the error you want to fix, load the list and... that's all! -- Magioladitis (talk) 13:04, 21 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Here's list with all errors fixed by AWB: User:Magioladitis/AWB and CHECKWIKI -- Magioladitis (talk) 18:59, 21 September 2011 (UTC)

Enjoy your wikibreak
Hi Magioladitis! Just noticed that you'll be taking a long wikibreak. Hope you'll enjoy it, and look forward to your return! GoingBatty (talk) 03:26, 26 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Thanks! -- Magioladitis (talk) 09:03, 26 September 2011 (UTC)

Discussion at Template talk:Multiple issues#Remove "Citations Missing" parameter
You are invited to join the discussion at Template talk:Multiple issues. Funandtrvl (talk) 15:43, 28 September 2011 (UTC)

listas is cleaned out
Thanks to you for your bot code and helping me get the bot running, Category:Biography articles without listas parameter is now cleaned out. It most definitely couldn't have been done without you. Bgwhite (talk) 18:19, 19 October 2011 (UTC)
 * That's great. I think we zeroed all big backlogs on biography articles. -- Magioladitis (talk) 09:01, 22 October 2011 (UTC)


 * Sorry to spoil the party, but there is still work to be done. See, for instance, these diffs: and . I had intended, when I noticed this, to drop a note on Bgwhite's talk page (sorry, I really should have done this at the time, but got diverted), but was busy at the time, so just corrected this particular page, which happened to be on my watchlist.


 * It's OK to use a bot or other automated means to fill an empty listas from a correct DEFAULTSORT, or vice versa, but in general, foreign-language names cannot be analysed automatically - they can only be done manually. Moreover, they can only be done by someone who knows what he or she is doing. You can get an idea of the scope of the difficulty by looking at articles such as Spanish naming customs and Arabic name. It is really better not to use automated tools to fix these, as we are now left with no easy means of finding out which ones still need to be fixed. I think it would have been better to provide a list of missing "listas"s belonging to each relevant foreign-language WikiProject, and then draw each Project's attention to their particular list. --NSH001 (talk) 11:51, 22 October 2011 (UTC)

I agree but take not that most of the job was done semi-automatically and not by a bot. There was a user's who clicked the Save button. Of course, now it's time to find mistakes and fix them. I am sure there are plenty. BgWhite did a wonderful job. I ask everyone to report mistakes in AWB's logic in order to improve it and reduce the number of pages that need human intervention. -- Magioladitis (talk) 10:36, 23 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Bgwhite has obviously put in a huge effort on this, but just to give a few examples of the sort of thing that is worrying me: (1) The example I gave above suggests that many more Spanish names may be wrong. (2) The guidance at WP:NAMESORT is far from complete. Arabic names are a nightmare (just look at all the sub-articles linked from Arabic names). There is some additional guidance at WP:AMOS, but that is also incomplete (and consensus might change on part of it). (3) WP:NAMESORT mentions the example of Brazilian footballers, most (but not all) of whom are known by their first name, and should be sorted accordingly.


 * All this tends to reinforce the point that this sort of thing should be left to people who are familiar with the subject area, and know what they are doing. --NSH001 (talk) 15:46, 23 October 2011 (UTC)


 * I am aware of Spanish/Portuguese naming convention. The edits you mention above... For number 7 (first one you mentioned), If you look, somebody else had manually entered the sort value in persondata and I only went with what another person had already added. If somebody has manually entered a sort value, then I don't override it unless there is evidence otherwise as they know the subject more than I do.  For number 8 (second one you mentioned), I only removed the diacritics (per WP:NAMESORT) and did not change the sort order... Somebody else had already added defaultsort.  In both cases, I did them manually and not a bot.  No bot ever changes or adds values to defaultsort when I do it.  The only time a bot ran with names to add in LISTAS value:  1) had an empty listas, 2) I go over "weird names" manually so the bot didn't do them (arabic, 3 or more word spanish/portuguse, Chinese/Vietnames/Korean/Cambodian, Icelandic, old Nordic/Welsh/Scottish/Irish, music acts and royalty).  3) While the bot was running, I was looking at the talk pages as they ran by in case from the talk page I could identify a weird one (one I had missed, Burmese, Malaysian, Sumo wrestler, Kabuki actor, Ethiopian, etc).
 * I have no doubt that I made mistakes. But before making accusations, please ask about what/why I did first. Bgwhite (talk) 05:51, 28 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Oops, I wasn't making any "accusations", rather I was querying whether this was the right way of going about the job. I am amazed at the job you did, doing so many edits for so long, and so fast, and with what seems to be a fairly low error rate. And oops again, I should have noticed that someone had already added the DEFAULTSORT, so (as I said), you can't be faulted for this one case (I actually checked some of the sources, just to be doubly sure). I hope my remarks here might prompt someone to consider what more might be done to help fix the errors that will have inevitably slipped through. --NSH001 (talk) 07:49, 28 October 2011 (UTC)
 * That ok... I make enough mistakes on my own without people adding on ones I didn't make. I don't know about so fast.  Took six or so months and alot of hours.  I currently view most of the new living biographies (via here) and add the appropriate defaultsort/listas.  Plus the ones people add WikiProject Biography to, but leave off listas or living.  So, hopefully the vast majority of new articles have the right listas/defaultsort.
 * There are a ton of errors in current articles. I wish I knew how to find those out easily.  Every once in awhile I'll do a category (Korean baseball player, Iranian footballers) for "fun" and correct the errors.  There are some cases (without commas, diacritics or no space between the comma) that a bot type approach could work.  There's already an automatic database report and bot that findd some diacritics and fixes them.  Just wished there was a good way to find them. Bgwhite (talk) 08:13, 28 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Please keep record of how you dealt the difficult cases.I would like to give a talk on the subject at the University and feedback would be more than welcome. :) -- Magioladitis (talk) 08:38, 28 October 2011 (UTC)

GOCE subst template
Hi

I was wondering if you can direct me to someone or somewhere I can get help on creating a template for use on GOCE requests, similar to the current GA review template? It needs to do several jobs and I need to talk to someone about whether or not it is feasible and how to go about it.

Thanks Chaosdruid (talk) 21:04, 20 October 2011 (UTC)

Remove field
Can you do me a favour and remove the skin_color field from the Template:Infobox adult biography? I did some cross-checking and this field is not present on the Infobox Model, so I think it's just a distraction in the larger picture. Tabercil (talk) 02:35, 2 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Done. -- Magioladitis (talk) 12:22, 29 November 2011 (UTC)
 * I just wanted to let you know that Gender is also gone as well as several others. I added them to the deprecated parameters category and went through them a few days ago. --Kumioko (talk) 14:22, 29 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Very good job! I am sorry for my late answers. Leaving infromation messages in my talk page is very nice of use. -- Magioladitis (talk) 09:37, 2 December 2011 (UTC)

Infobox question
Greetings, there is an ongoing disussion regarding some infobox changes occurring about standardizing infobox's for federated states. I know that you are busy but if you have a chance I would like to hear what you think. --Kumioko (talk) 21:04, 26 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Your idea of using modules is what came to my mind too. I think this discussion will conclude to use this idea sooner or later. :) -- Magioladitis (talk) 09:41, 2 December 2011 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the reply. I knew you were on wikibreak and would check when you had the chance. I think we might want to consider adding the number of films parameter to Infobox person but I don't feel that strongly about it. The information should still be in the article. --Kumioko (talk) 14:21, 2 December 2011 (UTC)

I am one of the most watched wikipedians
This means my page and my talk page should look nice. :) Any suggestions? -- Magioladitis (talk) 14:50, 6 December 2011 (UTC)
 * You could do something like mine! Of course there are plenty of other good pages too. --Kumioko (talk) 18:23, 6 December 2011 (UTC)
 * You could check out User page design center. Cloveapple (talk) 19:30, 6 December 2011 (UTC)
 * One word: Steal.  Look at others, steal their design and use the excellent user page design center to tweak.  Whatever you do, please don't put your photo anywhere on the page.  Most people's stomach's couldn't handle it. :)  Bgwhite (talk) 19:54, 6 December 2011 (UTC)
 * LOL. Thanks everyone. I'll try my best to make my page easier to read! -- Magioladitis (talk) 19:30, 8 December 2011 (UTC)

Kingbotk plugin documentation
Greetings, I know your busy but I wanted to let you know that I was reading the documentation for the Kingbotk plugin and it seems a bit out of date. It doesn't look like it has been updated since 2008 and I know you did a lot of improvements. --Kumioko (talk) 19:36, 12 December 2011 (UTC)
 * Do you mean User:Kingbotk/Plugin? I think I updated every time I was making an improvement/cahnge to KingbotK's code. I think we should move this page from Kinbotk's subpage to AWB's page at some point and toss the subesection about the bot. -- Magioladitis (talk) 08:26, 13 December 2011 (UTC)
 * I think your right. I would also seuggest merging your To do task list and the Feature requests on the Kingbotk page to the AWB featured page. Although the AWB features page could use some pruning too. :-) I hope your enjoynig your break but I suspect your pretty busy. --Kumioko (talk) 14:17, 13 December 2011 (UTC)

List of Arkansas Civil War Confederate units
Would you run Ybot against List of Arkansas Civil War Confederate units when you have time. Thanks! Aleutian06 (talk) 20:14, 12 December 2011 (UTC)
 * Since Magio is on break is there something in particular you wanted Yobot to check. I might be able to do it for him. --Kumioko (talk) 21:11, 12 December 2011 (UTC)
 * Sure, in the past he has run Yobot agaist several my articles for general copyediting and cleaning up my poor attempts at refrencing. Aleutian06 (talk) 22:42, 12 December 2011 (UTC)
 * No problem, Its not as good as Yobot but I fixed a couple of things and added a couple things to the banners on the talk page. --Kumioko (talk) 00:44, 13 December 2011 (UTC)
 * Thanks!Aleutian06 (talk) 02:57, 13 December 2011 (UTC)

I'll probably have a big Yobot run in the next days to reduce backlogs. -- Magioladitis (talk) 08:27, 13 December 2011 (UTC)

honorific suffix error
Your bot has an error, in ; taking the honorific suffix "JP" as the surname in both DEFAULTSORT and PERSONDATA. You could avoid this, at least in some cases, by checking against the infobox's honorific_suffix. Andy Mabbett ( Pigsonthewing ); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 16:37, 17 December 2011 (UTC)
 * Hm... this won't be easy. -- Magioladitis (talk) 21:51, 4 January 2012 (UTC)

Yobot feedback
Hi. Thanks for running Yobot, it's great. Re this edit, I think the second amendment is understandable, but I reckon you could introduce a bit of code that would make it decide to keep either the comma or fullstop. At least it'd be right 50% of the time, but ,. is always going to be wrong! Also, what's the bot doing with Arsenal in that diff? (Just curious on that!) --Dweller (talk) 22:02, 17 December 2011 (UTC)
 * Hi. Thanks for the feedback. I have discussed on the ",." problem in the past with many editors. There are plenty of false positives and not a good idea for a bot to decide whether to choose comma or full stop. We need editors to search for ",." and fix the problem manually. (For example, in the past I have suggested that if the next letter is capital then we should use full stop but then the problem with human names occurred.). Of course I am open in suggestions based on cases with (almost) no false positives. In Arsenal the bot only removed the underscore to make the code more readable. --Magioladitis (talk) 12:34, 18 December 2011 (UTC)
 * AWB's general fix to move references after punctuation is fine for human editors using AWB, who can fix any ",." issues before saving the edit. Would it be reasonable/possible to exclude this general fix from bots?  If not, I'll be happy to suggest that AWB not make a change at all if the result is ",."  Thanks!  GoingBatty (talk) 15:10, 18 December 2011 (UTC)
 * That looks a sensible suggestion. --Dweller (talk) 22:05, 18 December 2011 (UTC)
 * I think it's easier to locate things such as ",." in the text than searching for references that are between a comma and a full stop. -- Magioladitis (talk) 22:13, 18 December 2011 (UTC)

no major thing but
everything the bot did in this edit was unhelpful. There is only one external link, and there will likely never be a second one. Don't know what triggered the wikify---if it is the number of wikilinks it should possibly be put in relation to the length of the article. Cheers, Pgallert (talk) 11:25, 27 December 2011 (UTC)
 * Thanks for contacting. This section must always be named "External links". This is somewhere in the Manual of Style. I'll check the wikify thing. -- Magioladitis (talk) 20:40, 29 December 2011 (UTC)
 * I added two more wikilinks to Namibia Economist, and made some more improvements. I also added an AWB feature request back in August to prevent addition of wikify for articles in a stub category.  GoingBatty (talk) 21:38, 29 December 2011 (UTC)
 * I love stalkers! :P -- Magioladitis (talk) 22:27, 29 December 2011 (UTC)
 * Yes, "External links" is always plural even if there is only one link. From WP:External links, "The heading should be "External links" (plural) even if only a single link is listed."
 * If Magioladitis loves stalkers, why the restraining orders on me? I just want to be around you.  Oh, why did you have coffee in your kitchen this morning with no sugar?  Oooops, there is no cameras in your house.  None at all. Bgwhite (talk) 22:59, 29 December 2011 (UTC)
 * Careful Bg, you know hes a math wiz. Once he finds that camera he can use the curvature of the earth, the doppler effect and the Electromagnetic properties of space-time to determine your exact coordinates...in fact he should be moving in very...just sit tight, he'll be there in a sec...:-) --Kumioko (talk) 11:24, 30 December 2011 (UTC)
 * You guys are hilarious :D Best wishes to everyone! -- Magioladitis (talk) 13:21, 30 December 2011 (UTC)
 * I looked up that "External links" thing--you're right, it's plural. I think I got it from an essay somewhere, my bad. Cheers, Pgallert (talk) 06:46, 30 December 2011 (UTC)

I think that yobot malfunctioned
I think that yobot malfunctioned with this edit. It added a recently-removed top level (wikify) tag back on. This is just FYI, not an issue with me. North8000 (talk) 23:34, 3 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Hi North8000. Yobot uses AutoWikiBrowser. which as part of its general fixes "Appends Wikify if article has < 3 wikilinks or the number of wikilinks is smaller than 0.25% of article's size."  Since the article had no wikilinks at the time of Yobot's edit, AWB is working as designed.  It appears that the wikify template was incorrectly removed in your edit when the article had zero wikilinks.  I'm glad another user has added wikilinks to the article.  Happy editing!  GoingBatty (talk) 02:37, 4 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Exactly. Please add some more wikilinks. -- Magioladitis (talk) 21:49, 4 January 2012 (UTC)

False positive in data ranges?
Hi, User:Yobot edited Sporting Clube de Portugal, changing "(2011–)" to "(born 2011)" in the list of presidents. The issue is that the ranges in that section are the ones during which these people held the office (and this one is the current president). As I am not sure if "(2011–)" is against any style rule, and as you say the bot may redo the edit if it's reverted, I'm leaving the page as is. Should I revert (after something has been flagged in the bot?) or change it to something else instead (perhaps "(since 2011)"?)? Nuno J. Silva (talk) 11:35, 4 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the report. You are right. This is a bug and your report is wonderful. I will fix the bug soon. -- Magioladitis (talk) 13:50, 4 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Bug fixed! Check . Rjwilmsi fixed it for us. -- Magioladitis (talk) 19:31, 4 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Thanks a lot! Nuno J. Silva (talk) 23:08, 4 January 2012 (UTC)

AWB Features and Bugs
I noticed you were going through and clearing out some of the features and bugs. I went through a week or so ago and made a listing here of some that I thought might have been done, were denied or I thought were OBE if it helps any. --Kumioko (talk) 21:41, 4 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the heads up. Can you try how KingbotK plugin behaves with comments please? -- Magioladitis (talk) 21:46, 4 January 2012 (UTC)
 * No problem but it'll be a couple hours. Just getting ready to head somewhere. --Kumioko (talk) 21:56, 4 January 2012 (UTC)

Ok I found a couple things. First when it hits some articles it generates an error stating the below. All articles that I got this one on do have comments but I'm not sure thats whats causing it:

The second is that when I use the plugin with my module enabled it crashes AWB about 4 out of 5 times. I think there is something with the plugin that doesn't like having modules enabled at the same time. --Kumioko (talk) 17:39, 5 January 2012 (UTC) A couple more things I just found. Heres another error that I get quite a lot when I use the plugin but I don't know exactly why:
 * 1) If I enable the assess button with the MILHIST plugin and it hits a page that does not have the MILHIST banner it gives me a parameeter: Value error.
 * 2) If you are on a talk page with the assess button checked, it gives a couple different errors. This is more of a feature request but could some logic be added that if its on the talk page it gives an intuitive message saying it needs the main article page?

Please let me know if you want me to move these over to the AWB page. --Kumioko (talk) 17:45, 5 January 2012 (UTC)

Thanks for the quick reply. Did you have some Custom Module activated? We have to be dure these bugs are originvting from the plugin and not from the custom module. -- Magioladitis (talk) 18:07, 5 January 2012 (UTC)
 * I didn't have it activated with the second error. I actually can't edit any articles with the plugin. Anytime it stops on a page it kicks out some kind of error whether I have a module enabled or not. I even just tried using a blank settings file with nothing in any of the find and replace fields. --Kumioko (talk) 18:23, 5 January 2012 (UTC)

Yobot request
Yobot recently edited The Chronicon of Ademar of Chabannes, during which it changed the existing improve categories tag to uncategorized.

Normally, this would be perfectly fine, because technically the article was uncategorized rather than just being insufficiently categorized — however, there's another bot, User:SoxBot, which regularly goes around removing uncategorized from articles that have categories on them, and the problem is that the other bot doesn't know how to distinguish hidden maintenance categories from real content categories — if it sees any category at all, it removes the tag even if it belongs there. While I've asked Soxbot's maintainer to remove that task from Soxbot's programming more than once, the problem is still recurring — so the workaround, to date, has been to use the improve categories tag on such articles, even though the "uncategorized" tag is technically more correct, so that Soxbot wouldn't detag them prematurely.

Long story short, because the article has a hidden maintenance category on it, I used the "improve" tag to keep Soxbot away — but Yobot switched it to "uncat", with the result that Soxbot then came along and detagged the article, putting it right back on the uncategorized articles list again (which is exactly what I was trying to avoid by using "improve" instead of "uncat" in the first place.)

Accordingly, I was wondering if you could temporarily disable Yobot's ability to swap the "uncat" and "cat improve" tags, at least until Soxbot is reprogrammed to either learn how to distinguish between real categories and hidden ones or to not detag uncategorized articles at all. Thanks. Bearcat (talk) 19:18, 6 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Interesting story. I think the correct is to use . Yobot right now uses awb's built-in functions this means disactivating this feauture is only possible if I disactivate tagging all-together. I'll try to think of something more clever friom my side. -- Magioladitis (talk) 19:25, 6 January 2012 (UTC)
 * I've asked SoxBot's maintainer to disable that function again, but no worries, I think I'm going to make a habit of automatically applying the nobots tag at the same time as the uncats when I batch through the uncategorized articles list. Bearcat (talk) 19:46, 6 January 2012 (UTC)

Yobot's ibid tagging
Can you explain me please why Yobot tagged here the page with ibid? I don't see one of the variants and the refs are all ok... Regards, <b style="font-family:Courier New; display:inline; border:#009 1px dashed; padding:1px 6px 2px 7px; white-space:nowrap; color:#000000; font-size:smaller;">mabdul</b> 01:07, 9 January 2012 (UTC) PS:I already removed the tag since I hope to clean up some of them.
 * - There were ibid references in the infobox, which I fixed with this edit. GoingBatty (talk) 02:58, 9 January 2012 (UTC)

Pragmatic Works edits
Recently a new "This article is an orphan" banner has been added to the Pragmatic works wiki page. To resolve the issue, a couple of new relevant external links has been added each pointing to the sections within the page. Please review and reconsider casting your vote for the page being an orphan. Would appreciate if you could guide how to fix the problem and get the banner removed. Appreciate your time. Thanks. GeekyPuppy (talk) 16:08, 9 January 2012 (UTC)
 * You need to find pages that link to this page and add wikilinks that target the page you created. -- Magioladitis (talk) 14:22, 13 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Thanks for your response. I don't see any currently existing wiki page with links pointing to Pragmatic Works. Does that mean, some relevant wiki pages has be found out and then the links need to added there so as to work as link targeting Pragmatic works page? Help me understand. Any suggestion for relevant existing wiki pages? Appreciate your time. GeekyPuppy (talk) 09:28, 12 February 2012 (UTC)
 * Sorry. I am not good on adding relevant links myself :( -- Magioladitis (talk) 18:25, 27 February 2012 (UTC)

wikimarkup in image captions
your edit broke the image caption here. I wouldn't have noticed, but this was one of the main points presented here. Note that even it had worked, a 'ol' is an ordered list, and should be replaced by '#' markup, while a 'ul' is an unordered list and should be replaced by '*'. Neither will work here, since wiki-markup doesn't work in image captions per the bug pointed out by Edokter. thank you. Frietjes (talk) 22:39, 11 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the heads up. Just for the record and for my stalkers, this is not an AWB bug but my own mistake. Mea culpa. -- Magioladitis (talk) 20:26, 13 January 2012 (UTC)

Removing spaces before closing ref tag
Hi, I notice that Yobot removes spaces before the closing tag, e.g. here. Does this come from WP:CHECKWIKI or from WP:GENFIXES? IMHO it's unnecessary and a nuisance as it clutters up the edit history, making it harder to review changes. I'd like to find out where I could challenge this.

At least it does not remove whitespace adjacent to pipes within citations, like some bots do. Please don't change that! – Fayenatic (talk) 17:37, 17 January 2012 (UTC)
 * The space you are mentioning is removed by general fixes since this space is not rendered. -- Magioladitis (talk) 17:43, 17 January 2012 (UTC)
 * All examples in the Manual of Style have no trailing nor leading space. -- Magioladitis (talk) 17:49, 17 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Right, but where there are multiple citations, that space makes it easier for the human eye to see the end of one citation and the start of the next one. Is this open for debate, and if so where do you suggest I could raise it, please? – Fayenatic (talk) 17:52, 17 January 2012 (UTC)
 * I would start from Wikipedia talk:Manual of Style. Leave a note there and ask fro opinions. Usually things written in the MoS have strong consensus but I've seen things changing over the years. Even if I disagree with you (I find the current style easier to read) I think you should give it a try and see what other editors think about it. -- Magioladitis (talk) 18:04, 17 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Thanks, I have raised this there. The earlier discussion there of Two vs. one space characters after terminal punctuation seems generally encouraging. – Fayenatic (talk) 18:18, 17 January 2012 (UTC)
 * For info: now taken to Wikipedia talk:Citing sources. – Fayenatic (talk) 09:49, 19 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Thanks for letting me know. -- Magioladitis (talk) 18:27, 27 February 2012 (UTC)

Icelandic name sort
I'm trying to update WP:NAMESORT... Adding refs why something is done, set down language specific formats... Things I've learned along the way. The draft is at User:Bgwhite/Sandbox.

I've been doing Icelandic sorts as they are spelled as originally instructed by JimCubb. However, it looks like you were involved in a discussion about changing this (Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Iceland). The discussion came after my initial discussion with JimCubb. Unfortunately, JimCubb appears to be gone. So, what I currently have in my Sandbox is wrong and should be changed??? Bgwhite (talk) 18:56, 17 January 2012 (UTC)
 * It seems so. Great job though. I tried to do something like that in the past with no success. The main conclusion of the discussion on Icelandic names is the following: sort people from Iceland by patronymic names UNLESS the category is strictly Iceland related. This means defautlsort most probably be "patronymic, name" and sort keys should be added to Iceland related categories. I 'll read your job more carefully and I'll try to help as much as possible. -- Magioladitis (talk)

20:43, 17 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Ok. I also asked Mandarax the same question at User talk:Mandarax and he gave his reply.  Personally I'd go the old only because that is what is used in the "real" world, but I see the point of not doing it.  So, I'll change the Icelandic section.  The only thing I disagree with is the exception with Brazilian footballers (very last point on the sandbox page).  User:ArtVandelay13 added the exception for Brazilian footballers this past June and I left a note on their page asking where the discussion took place.  Any suggestions are extremely needed.  Oh, I thought you were going to do a revamp of your talk/user page.  How is that going? Bgwhite (talk) 21:31, 17 January 2012 (UTC)
 * :) I did some changes already. Not big things though. I'll get better I hope when I add some colour and images. -- Magioladitis (talk) 21:34, 17 January 2012 (UTC)

Sinai and Palestine Campaign
Thanks for the general fixes made by Yobot using AWB (7922). Thought you might be interested in one instance when grouping citations - "Vol pp 426" was generated when it should have been something like "FallsVol2pp426–8".

This is not a criticism, I just wanted to mention a possible glitch in AWB (7922). In all other cases of grouped citations, I hasten to add, there was no other problems with AWB (7922). Thanks for your work, much appreciated.--Rskp (talk) 06:39, 20 January 2012 (UTC)

Unneccessary de-shortcut edit
( Partly copied from User talk:Yobot) I saw that your bot changed the commonscat to commons category and IMHO entirely unneccessary but simply increase the history of minor bot edit. To my knowledge there's no policy or guideline discourage the use of template shortcut (or any redirect link), point me one if I was wrong. -- Sameboat - 同舟 (talk) 02:38, 21 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Same here: in Hyper Text Coffee Pot Control Protocol. -- Michael Bednarek (talk) 12:09, 21 January 2012 (UTC)
 * This is how I work: I load lists from toolserver. Usually the lists are up-to-date and each page contains one non-trivial error to be fixed. Some reboot could result in me reloading a list I have already fixed and ad combining this with a change in the template redirects list after my bot run to force the bot only to bypass a single redirect. I apologise for this but reprogramming my bot and/or making more flexible edit summaries (things I've been asked in the past many times) requires time I won't have before May. I know you are both right in complaining and I'll try to fix this problem at some point. -- Magioladitis (talk) 20:21, 21 January 2012 (UTC)

Have you seen ? &mdash; Carl (CBM · talk) 23:01, 29 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Wow that's very cool. Thanks CBM, I for one didn't know that was out there. I may take a look through those as well and try and help out. --Kumioko (talk) 23:16, 29 January 2012 (UTC)
 * This is a list created in 2010. -- Magioladitis (talk) 18:29, 27 February 2012 (UTC)

AWB global user list
Hi there :-), I use AWB on a global scale with both my bot and my personal account - would it be okay to keep myself on the global list? I noticed your comment about it being only for devs but it would be extremely useful for updating small wikis etc. . (I've asked GW to re-add me for the time being, feel free to remove me) -- Addi hockey  10  e-mail 20:02, 21 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Small wikis allow bot mode anyway since they don't have approval lists. Global user list is for debugging purposes. -- Magioladitis (talk) 16:22, 22 January 2012 (UTC)

XmlException in PluginManager.LoadSettingsNewWay
I found the reason, the kingbotk plugin delete and new load solved it -- >Typ932 T&middot;C 22:06, 25 January 2012 (UTC)
 * That is the problem I suspected. -- Magioladitis (talk) 14:17, 27 January 2012 (UTC)

FYI
Re,, not sure what you meant to accomplish but it broke the hatnote. Cheers, Dave (talk) 01:14, 27 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Thanks for letting me know. I was trying to use the standard dablink for this case. GoingBatty fixed it. -- Magioladitis (talk) 14:16, 27 January 2012 (UTC)

Bot action
Hi. Please make sure that the bot does not change again the "--> " format solution. It is the only one which some ingenous users have come up with to make sure that the left indentation of the Greek fire paragraph is accurate. Thanks Gun Powder Ma (talk) 10:34, 27 January 2012 (UTC)
 * I think I fixed it old and new version appear the same on my laptop. -- Magioladitis (talk) 14:31, 27 January 2012 (UTC)

Now fixed. I wasn't paying attention. -- Magioladitis (talk) 18:34, 27 February 2012 (UTC)

Convert
See here, there should be a pipe between the number and the units. Frietjes (talk) 22:40, 27 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Thanks. My mistake. -- Magioladitis (talk) 22:41, 27 January 2012 (UTC)

AutoWikiBrowser rev 7941
Hello.

You have recommended me to use the rev 7941 of AWB. However neither http://sourceforge.net/projects/autowikibrowser/files/ nor http://toolserver.org/~awb/snapshots/ currently has this version. Where can I get it? Teyandee (talk) 06:21, 6 February 2012 (UTC)
 * I think it is a bit of miscommunication. Magioladitis mentions the fix has gone into .  Unfortunately, he is not implying any version you can download.  He's just mentioning that that fix is in and will be available when the next version comes out. Bgwhite (talk) 07:01, 6 February 2012 (UTC)
 * I understand. I will be waiting for the version. Thank you. Teyandee (talk) 07:12, 6 February 2012 (UTC)

Frank Cho
Hi. What's the source for the month and day of birth you added to the Frank Cho article? Nightscream (talk) 22:40, 6 February 2012 (UTC)
 * I just fixed the infobox. The date was already in the infobox just in another format. -- Magioladitis (talk) 22:41, 6 February 2012 (UTC)
 * Okay, I see that now. Thanks. Nightscream (talk) 22:45, 6 February 2012 (UTC)

Multiple issues template usage suggestion
I have started a discussion about making the Multiple issues template the new cleanup template here. Since you have edited this template several times in the past I thought you might have some insight into this idea. --Kumioko (talk) 20:33, 9 February 2012 (UTC)

Template:Infobox NFL retired
Hello. I noticed your thread here while looking for a bot to convert Infobox NFL retired to Infobox NFL player (renamed from Infobox NFLactive). I can surely help you with the changes that need to be made to the NFL retired infoboxes to successfully convert them to NFL player fields. The notice at Template:Infobox NFL retired is correct, but there are a few more changes that need to be made.
 * The,  , and   parameters should be included after the deathdate/place parameters.
 * After these parameters should follow, any draft parameters, and the debut/final year/team parameters.
 * Any  parameter (year, round, pick) should be replaced with   (year, round, pick).
 * The highlights should go under teams and pastteams
 * The stat parameters (i.e. stat1label) should have the numbers after the words. For example, statlabel1.
 * HOF should be lowercase (hof).

If you are still willing to work on this and need more information, please let me know. Thanks, <font face="Verdana" color="003B48" size="2px">Eagles  <font face="Verdana" color="003B48" size="2px">24/7  <font color="003B48" size="1px">(C) 00:45, 10 February 2012 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the feedback! Started doing some stuff. I also think we should use a height that it will be for both inches and feet instead of 2 parameters. -- Magioladitis (talk) 18:00, 10 February 2012 (UTC)
 * I saw the changes you made to Infobox NFL player, which is not what I was referring to in listing the bullets above. With the bullets I thought you would program your bot to make these changes to all articles with the Infobox NFL retired template. <font face="Verdana" color="003B48" size="2px">Eagles  <font face="Verdana" color="003B48" size="2px">24/7  <font color="003B48" size="1px">(C) 19:22, 10 February 2012 (UTC)
 * Yes my bad. Fixing! -- Magioladitis (talk) 19:26, 10 February 2012 (UTC)


 * 1) Now changing afl parameters
 * 2) HOF seems to be uppercase in both infoboxes. Do you want them lowercase in both?
 * 3) highlights exists in both
 * 4) What do you think of me converting heightft and heighin in one parameter called "height"? -- Magioladitis (talk) 19:58, 10 February 2012 (UTC)
 * If HOF is uppercase in both, you can leave it as is. I forgot to finish my thoughts on highlights, which should go under teams and pastteams. How would the height parameter work? <font face="Verdana" color="003B48" size="2px">Eagles  <font face="Verdana" color="003B48" size="2px">24/7  <font color="003B48" size="1px">(C) 20:00, 10 February 2012 (UTC)
 * Height will be something like |height=3ft 4in which results in 3ft 4in. -- Magioladitis (talk) 20:09, 10 February 2012 (UTC)


 * Are we ready to move on to the next phase (statlabel/values)? <font face="Verdana" color="003B48" size="2px">Eagles  <font face="Verdana" color="003B48" size="2px">24/7  <font color="003B48" size="1px">(C) 20:56, 12 February 2012 (UTC)
 * Post in WP:BOTREQ. I'll try to help but I don't have a script for that yet. -- Magioladitis (talk) 20:59, 12 February 2012 (UTC)
 * Alright, I've made the request. <font face="Verdana" color="003B48" size="2px">Eagles  <font face="Verdana" color="003B48" size="2px">24/7  <font color="003B48" size="1px">(C) 21:06, 12 February 2012 (UTC)
 * Actually, I think I could just do it myself using AWB and a bot account. <font face="Verdana" color="003B48" size="2px">Eagles  <font face="Verdana" color="003B48" size="2px">24/7  <font color="003B48" size="1px">(C) 21:27, 12 February 2012 (UTC)
 * I could do it for you if you provide me the script or the settings file. Or, you could ask for a bot and do it yourself. -- Magioladitis (talk) 21:35, 12 February 2012 (UTC)
 * Actually, I think I can write the script myself. I'll give it a try. -- Magioladitis (talk) 21:37, 12 February 2012 (UTC)
 * What else needs to be done here? <font face="Verdana" color="003B48" size="2px">Eagles  <font face="Verdana" color="003B48" size="2px">24/7  <font color="003B48" size="1px">(C) 22:58, 12 February 2012 (UTC)
 * I'll have a look tomorrow. I think the most important is to search birth_date and put the place of birth in birth_place. -- Magioladitis (talk) 23:05, 12 February 2012 (UTC)
 * I've programmed that into AWB, but the issue is the death_date parameter and how to separate both. <font face="Verdana" color="003B48" size="2px">Eagles  <font face="Verdana" color="003B48" size="2px">24/7  <font color="003B48" size="1px">(C) 23:33, 12 February 2012 (UTC)
 * I'm almost done with the birth_date and death_date fixes, I just now need to figure out how to make it so AWB realizes which parameter is which for the additions of birth_place and death_place. I saw Yobot fixed some stat parameters in Infobox NFL player. Was that all of them? <font face="Verdana" color="003B48" size="2px">Eagles  <font face="Verdana" color="003B48" size="2px">24/7  <font color="003B48" size="1px">(C) 20:49, 13 February 2012 (UTC)
 * On the birth/death parameters: I would say: Search inside birth_date and replace  with birth_place.
 * On the parameter renaming: No. There are still lot of them. Do you want me to fix them? -- Magioladitis (talk) 20:52, 13 February 2012 (UTC)
 * How do you search inside of a parameter? In the find and replace setting, it only allows you to search the entire text or in templates. You can fix the rest of the parameters if you're not busy, the BRFA has not immediately approved my bot for that task. <font face="Verdana" color="003B48" size="2px">Eagles  <font face="Verdana" color="003B48" size="2px">24/7  <font color="003B48" size="1px">(C) 20:59, 13 February 2012 (UTC)
 * I'll finish fixing the rest of the parameters. Maybe you could ask in your BRFA for help to the other task, please? I'll have a look tomorrow by myself too. -- Magioladitis (talk) 21:42, 13 February 2012 (UTC)
 * User_talk:Rjwilmsi. -- Magioladitis (talk) 23:34, 13 February 2012 (UTC)
 * Reference_desk/Computing. <font face="Verdana" color="003B48" size="2px">Eagles  <font face="Verdana" color="003B48" size="2px">24/7  <font color="003B48" size="1px">(C) 23:36, 13 February 2012 (UTC)
 * How do you program AWB so that if birth_date, birth_place, death_date, or death_place are not in the infobox, it adds it automatically? I noticed Yobot once went around and added parameters in this manner. <font face="Verdana" color="003B48" size="2px">Eagles  <font face="Verdana" color="003B48" size="2px">24/7  <font color="003B48" size="1px">(C) 22:34, 15 February 2012 (UTC)
 * I am not sure if Yobot did that. Do you have a diff? -- Magioladitis (talk) 20:34, 16 February 2012 (UTC)
 * Maybe it wasn't Yobot then. Would you know how to do this though? <font face="Verdana" color="003B48" size="2px">Eagles  <font face="Verdana" color="003B48" size="2px">24/7  <font color="003B48" size="1px">(C) 20:43, 16 February 2012 (UTC)
 * I'll have a look in the weekend. I hoped you could solve this for me :) -- Magioladitis (talk) 20:52, 16 February 2012 (UTC)
 * I'll try and let you know how I do. <font face="Verdana" color="003B48" size="2px">Eagles  <font face="Verdana" color="003B48" size="2px">24/7  <font color="003B48" size="1px">(C) 21:33, 16 February 2012 (UTC)

Thank you
Thank you for the work on the Military info boxes. The problem is that the military person template does not have a "Image_size" thing in it and when you remove the "File" from the template, some of the images turn out way too big in the infobox. I'm going to see if can fix the situation later today. Tony the Marine (talk) 20:28, 12 February 2012 (UTC)
 * The infobox now supports image_size. Please use it when necessary. Default size is 200px. -- Magioladitis (talk) 20:32, 12 February 2012 (UTC)


 * Thank you once more, I appreciate it. I had to do some real live things today, but once I got back I made the changes to numerous military bios. that I created. Tony the Marine (talk) 03:36, 13 February 2012 (UTC)
 * That's great. You saved me a lot of effort . -- Magioladitis (talk) 15:34, 13 February 2012 (UTC)

Wiki break
Not bad for a wiki break... ;-) --Xtv - (my talk) - (que dius que què?) 17:16, 13 February 2012 (UTC)
 * LOL. Wikibreak in this case only means I am 24-7 online. :) -- Magioladitis (talk) 17:21, 13 February 2012 (UTC)

Dan Leno
Hi. I see that you had contributed to Dan Leno in the past. He was a well-known British musical comedy and music hall star around the 1890s. His article has recently been expanded and is headed for FA consideration. If you have time, please be so kind as to take a look at the article and comment at this Peer Review. Thanks for any assistance! -- Ssilvers (talk) 00:06, 14 February 2012 (UTC)

Question about AWB Bugs
Hi Magioladitis! I'm very pleased to see that the bug regarding merging templates into multiple issues was resolved. Just wondering why you removed the bug in this edit instead of archiving it? Also curious if the fix I mocked up was of any use. Thanks! GoingBatty (talk) 04:04, 14 February 2012 (UTC)
 * I wanted to archive it... -- Magioladitis (talk) 13:54, 15 February 2012 (UTC)
 * Your patch was partially helpful. It was based in an older revision and some things were missing. -- Magioladitis (talk) 13:58, 15 February 2012 (UTC)
 * I moved the bug from the archive back to the bugs page, as the new SVN unfortunately didn't fix the problem.
 * If you're interested in having me be an AWB developer-in-training, please let me know. GoingBatty (talk) 00:23, 16 February 2012 (UTC)

Yobot spacing edits
Magioladitis, Yobot is making unnecessary edits to headline spacing within articles that are otherwise consistently spaced throughout (e.g., , ). This does not appear to be a bot error, but an intentionally programmed parameter, as it seems to focus on the space following the "External links" section header. As I am sure you aware, consistently spaced headers are permitted by MOS, and the re-spacing of existing, consistently spaced articles is frowned on. In multiple examples from the past 24 hours, the re-spacing of a single header within an otherwise consistently spaced article was the only change made by the bot. I would be grateful if you would examine the bot's programming for this issue. Thanks. Dirtlawyer1 (talk) 20:24, 15 February 2012 (UTC)
 * Reactivated "Skip if only whitespace fixed" option. Thanks for the heads up. -- Magioladitis (talk) 20:25, 15 February 2012 (UTC)
 * Hm... is this enough? -- Magioladitis (talk) 20:29, 15 February 2012 (UTC)
 * Note to myself: "Include one blank line above the heading, and optionally one blank line below it, for readability in the edit window. (Only two or more consecutive blank lines will add more white space in the public appearance of the page.)". (MOS:HEADINGS) -- Magioladitis (talk) 20:31, 15 February 2012 (UTC)
 * Mag, Yobot is still hung up on spaces following the "External links" header: . Dirtlawyer1 (talk) 02:29, 17 February 2012 (UTC)
 * Different spacing problem. The one has to do with spacing after headings and the other with spacing before stubs. I have to go through all my settings files and turn on "skip if only whitespace is changed". Thanks for the heads up. -- Magioladitis (talk) 14:02, 17 February 2012 (UTC)
 * In the diff above there was also a redirect that was bypassed. Before stubs we need two newlines. -- Magioladitis (talk) 14:11, 17 February 2012 (UTC)
 * If you had skip "Only casing is changed" turned on, would that have skipped the diff where the redirect was changed? GoingBatty (talk) 00:44, 18 February 2012 (UTC)
 * I can give it a try... -- Magioladitis (talk) 16:41, 21 February 2012 (UTC)

AWB edit speed
I've been threatened to be taken to ANI because of the speed of my edits. User_talk:Bgwhite is the discussion. I do 2-4 edits a minute on this problem.

Are my edits ok or should I be stopping these edits? Bgwhite (talk) 20:41, 15 February 2012 (UTC)
 * I answered to your page. -- Magioladitis (talk) 21:03, 15 February 2012 (UTC)


 * Do you have any code laying around that would do something similar to remove WP Sports? I can modify the code. Thank you for the kind words, but I do get reverted... I make mistakes like everybody else. Bgwhite (talk) 21:33, 15 February 2012 (UTC)
 * User:Magioladitis/Notes. -- Magioladitis (talk) 21:40, 15 February 2012 (UTC)

A kitten...
Meow!

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Thanks!!!

Rotated image caused by recent Infobox writer change
I noticed today that the image in the infobox on Stefan Fatsis was appearing rotated on its side. After a bit of trial and error I noticed that the infobox template had no "image_size" param set; once I added an image_size param (of 200px, the supposed "default" value per the template's documentation) the image was rotated correctly. I noticed that a couple of weeks ago you made a change to this template that seems to have eliminated the "default" value.

The change I would suggest (and would make were this template not protected) would be to change line 7 of the template code from:

| image =

to:

| image =

This change should allow an editor to set either "image_size" or "imagesize" in the template and if neither is included will set the default width to 200px. Thanks! &mdash; DeeJayK (talk) 21:04, 17 February 2012 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the heads up. I'll inform User:WOSlinker on that. We use frameless in all other infoboxes so something must be done if this causes problems. -- Magioladitis (talk) 21:20, 17 February 2012 (UTC)
 * I'm not sure if there is something particular about this particular image that caused the issue, but I can't imagine this same issue is not occurring on many other pages as well. That said, I'm not an expert on wiki markup as it pertains to images by any stretch. At the very least, however, the template's documentation needs to be updated to reflect that "frameless" is the default value for "image_size". I've requested an edit on the Templates talk page as well. Thanks! &mdash; DeeJayK (talk) 21:40, 17 February 2012 (UTC)
 * Great. Thanks!! -- Magioladitis (talk) 21:42, 17 February 2012 (UTC)

Yobot
Yobot added all of the birth_place parameters at the very bottom of the infoboxes, which is not good. The code I had set up for AWB moved that parameter right under birth_date. <font face="Verdana" color="003B48" size="2px">Eagles  <font face="Verdana" color="003B48" size="2px">24/7  <font color="003B48" size="1px">(C) 19:52, 18 February 2012 (UTC)
 * This doesn't change the final result. Rjwilmsi used built-in awb functions which made code faster. -- Magioladitis (talk) 19:55, 18 February 2012 (UTC)
 * It doesn't change the final result, but if a user wants to change the birthplace of a player, they won't be able to find it. <font face="Verdana" color="003B48" size="2px">Eagles  <font face="Verdana" color="003B48" size="2px">24/7  <font color="003B48" size="1px">(C) 19:55, 18 February 2012 (UTC)
 * Do you know any way for AWB to move the parameter? <font face="Verdana" color="003B48" size="2px">Eagles  <font face="Verdana" color="003B48" size="2px">24/7  <font color="003B48" size="1px">(C) 20:30, 18 February 2012 (UTC)
 * Yes, moving a parameter is possible. I have to leave now. I'll be back in some hours and post a solution in your talk page or here. I am sorry that the result is what you exactly expected. -- Magioladitis (talk) 20:33, 18 February 2012 (UTC)
 * Thanks, I almost have the code for it now. <font face="Verdana" color="003B48" size="2px">Eagles  <font face="Verdana" color="003B48" size="2px">24/7  <font color="003B48" size="1px">(C) 20:59, 18 February 2012 (UTC)

New AWB version
I was wondering if you could convert the SVN snapshot page to a Wikipedia page. That way people (i.e. me) can bookmark it and we would know when a new version was ready. I've been getting a new version when you told Kumioko about it, but I don't think that will be happening again. Bgwhite (talk) 23:55, 19 February 2012 (UTC)
 * I use http://www.changedetection.com to monitor the SVN snapshot page to send me an email every time a new version is posted. Hope this helps!  GoingBatty (talk) 05:19, 20 February 2012 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!
Great! Thanks! -- Magioladitis (talk) 21:10, 22 February 2012 (UTC)

Infobox Shankaracharya
this one is a fork of template:infobox religious biography, so better to just delete it. Frietjes (talk) 23:09, 23 February 2012 (UTC)
 * I agree. -- Magioladitis (talk) 18:17, 24 February 2012 (UTC)

Yobot 9
I was thinking of doing something... Adding WP Biography, adding work-group, adding WP Football (and more), etc. Behold, Yobot 9 appears to do the same thing. Can I steal the code? Any problems you ran into? What is the best way to run? Plus dozens of other questions I haven't thought of yet. Bgwhite (talk) 00:25, 24 February 2012 (UTC)
 * Go ahead. Steal the code. I happy to see someone doing these tasks instead of me. :) I usually load the appropriate category, put some "skip if contains" conditions and run with general fixes on and auto-tag and unicodify the whole page off. Usually there are no false positives. I have a list only in the case you use xxxx births and xxxx deaths categories for the pages that are for more than one person. If you run into more problems I can help by answering any questions you may have. -- Magioladitis (talk) 18:21, 24 February 2012 (UTC)
 * Where is the code? Seeing how you are in a giving mood, where is your money?  Is the code for biographies just normal Kingbotk.  The code for other just a small module adding the appropriate banner?  What about adding sport-group or any other groups?  What would be some skip conditions you normally use?  Why is the sky blue? Bgwhite (talk) 22:51, 24 February 2012 (UTC)
 * LOL. I only use Kingbotk's normal settings. I usually run in Category:Footballers and its subcategories and set the plugin to add sport-goup. I have general fixes on and everything works fine. The trick is only in the selection of the appropriate category. The plugin needs heave rewriting but I have to wait Reedy for that. -- Magioladitis (talk) 18:09, 27 February 2012 (UTC)
 * I forgot that Kingbotk could add work groups. I was playing around with piece of your code trying to add work group.  It will come in handy for something else.  Not quite getting it yet, but will play around with it more.  It brings up nice memories on helping grad students with their code, but then memories of professors float in and it becomes a nightmare.  Bgwhite (talk) 19:47, 27 February 2012 (UTC)

Unclosed galleries
This edit didn't exactly produce delightful results, and I figured it was worth bringing to your attention. Uncommon situation perhaps, but it is the second one of this type that I've encountered over the past couple of weeks. -- WikHead (talk) 03:42, 24 February 2012 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the report. Maybe we should make a database scan to find more of these guys. -- Magioladitis (talk) 18:34, 24 February 2012 (UTC)
 * I'm guessing that the occurrence of these would probably be extremely rare, and can't blame the bot for being unprepared if/when they do. Pre-calculating a fix for every quirky scenario like this would be nearly impossible. Your bot IMO, has been doing a fantastic job! :) -- WikHead (talk) 22:09, 24 February 2012 (UTC)
 * It's nice to hear that! -- Magioladitis (talk) 18:06, 27 February 2012 (UTC)

Template:Infobox Hanoverian Royalty
could you orphan this one? I would but I can't see the contents since you already deleted it. Frietjes (talk) 22:10, 24 February 2012 (UTC)
 * Done. -- Magioladitis (talk) 10:53, 25 February 2012 (UTC)

section headers
careful, section headers should be preceded by a newline. Frietjes (talk) 17:08, 26 February 2012 (UTC)
 * Reported to WP:AWB/B's bug page. -- Magioladitis (talk) 17:40, 26 February 2012 (UTC)
 * Fixed. -- Magioladitis (talk) 10:41, 9 March 2012 (UTC)

Yes

 * Alrighty then, I was about to comment it was fabulous in factual opinion.--GoShow (...............) 22:40, 27 February 2012 (UTC)

New Page Triage engagement strategy released
Hey guys!

I'm dropping you a note because you filled out the New Page Patrol survey, and indicated you'd be interested in being contacted about follow-up work. This is to notify you that we've finally released both the initial documentation about the project and also the engagement strategy, which sets out how we plan to work with the community on this. Please give both a read, and leave any comments or suggestions you have on the talkpage, on my talkpage, or in my inbox -.

It's awesome to finally get to start work on this! :). Okeyes (WMF) (talk) 01:56, 3 March 2012 (UTC)

Wildbot notices
The list is reaching 1,300 talk pages. Maybe Yobot could have another go at it. — Dispenser 22:55, 8 March 2012 (UTC)
 * I'll run this task in the next 4-5 days. -- Magioladitis (talk) 10:14, 9 March 2012 (UTC)
 * -- Magioladitis (talk) 18:15, 16 March 2012 (UTC)
 * -- Magioladitis (talk) 10:38, 17 March 2012 (UTC)

basketball player
i merged "infobox basketball player" with "infobox basketball biography" by making the biography template backwards compatible. however, there are a couple things that should be cleaned up so we can simplify the biography code. thank you. Frietjes (talk) 17:56, 9 March 2012 (UTC)
 * 1) check what links here for "Template:Infobox basketball biography/team parameter linked" and either do this or this
 * 2) While you are at it, might as well do this if it's empty since the field is somewhat controversial, and the same for agent).
 * 3) Also, if you see halloffame and it's empty, then remove it.  I should be able to do this one myself, since there aren't that many.  they need to be converted to another field name if they aren't empty.
 * OK. I'll do but I don't like this team_link. I don't like when infoboxes introduce brackets alone. -- Magioladitis (talk) 18:08, 9 March 2012 (UTC)
 * this is the method used by the infobox to allow the link to have the same colour as the other text in the header. I agree that it's not the most transparent in terms of functionality.  If you really don't like it, then we can start a thread on the talk page to discuss alternatives? Frietjes (talk) 16:21, 10 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Please do and I'll follow. -- Magioladitis (talk) 15:52, 11 March 2012 (UTC)

I started by removing nickname and halloffame when empty. -- Magioladitis (talk) 10:54, 17 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Magioladitis (talk) 19:22, 17 March 2012 (UTC)

Skip if only whitespace is changed
Hi Magioladitis! You may want to set up Yobot to skip if only whitespace is changed to avoid edits such as this diff. Happy editing! GoingBatty (talk) 15:25, 18 March 2012 (UTC)

What's with this edit: https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Binary&curid=3823&diff=482521251&oldid=482154849 ? Josh Parris 22:11, 18 March 2012 (UTC)

OK. I set up Yobot to skip if only whitespace is changed but this effects edits that whitespace sometimes is really needed. -- Magioladitis (talk) 22:13, 18 March 2012 (UTC)


 * Is one of the CHECKWIKI error fixes to fix whitespace? If so, I retract my comment.  GoingBatty (talk) 22:19, 18 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Removing whitespace inside or around links and/or references for example... Our code is naive. It removes any whitespace before and after general fixes and compares the two versions. If they are the same it skips. -- Magioladitis (talk) 22:21, 18 March 2012 (UTC)


 * I also don't see https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Flint_glass&curid=194033&diff=482558908&oldid=470098060 as helping any. Josh Parris 22:17, 18 March 2012 (UTC)
 * I don't know how to avoid this one. It's whitespace and interwiki move. Moreover, the edit of the hatnote triggers the hatnote procedure. I don't expect many of this though. -- Magioladitis (talk) 22:20, 18 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Just saw this edit. Perhaps the "did anything useful change?" check needs to run before bypassing template redirects? Why is it even bypassing arbitrary template redirects? I see, someone arbitrarily added it to AutoWikiBrowser/Template redirects. That has got to be one of the most-abused things around. Anomie⚔ 22:16, 19 March 2012 (UTC)
 * "Further" was re-purposed that's why I updated the Template Redirects list. I asked for making redirects bypassing optional. I hope this will happen soon. -- Magioladitis (talk) 15:54, 20 March 2012 (UTC)


 * https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Compact&curid=39350&diff=482953626&oldid=461925316 and https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Copy&curid=40965&diff=482955641&oldid=479832611 - You are reminded that making page edits solely for the purpose of bypassing template redirects may be considered "trivial editing", and therefore contravene the AWB rules of use. Normally you should not make page edits just to bypass redirects unless there is an agreed need to do it. I suggest you refrain from this kind of editing until improvements can be made to AWB to prevent these trivial changes occurring. Josh Parris 12:41, 21 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Check my reply above. A little patient and in the future there will be no such problems. -- Magioladitis (talk) 14:32, 21 March 2012 (UTC)
 * A little bit stopping now. https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Flash&curid=39170&diff=483248013&oldid=478255419 and https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Flagstaff&curid=47718&diff=483247844&oldid=464630336 are other meaningless edits. Under what BRFA is the bot editing? Josh Parris 00:10, 22 March 2012 (UTC)
 * BRFA 16 to fix CHECKWIKI error 61 (references after punctuation) and more. There were 110k pages with unknown status since 2010 (i.e. old list). I thought running Yobot in the first 30k entries which I obtained fro the server almost manually (I loaded 600 pages with 500 items each manually and saved them in a single file) would be efficient. Obsiously is not. I forced emptied the list and hopefully the new entries will all really contain this error. http://toolserver.org/~sk/cgi-bin/checkwiki/checkwiki.cgi?project=enwiki&view=only&id=61 -- Magioladitis (talk) 15:54, 22 March 2012 (UTC)
 * I have reviewed BRFA 61. It does not permit https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Filter&diff=prev&oldid=483244966 or https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Fokker&diff=prev&oldid=483249556 or https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Fermion&diff=prev&oldid=483242995 as such Yobot is editing outside of approval.  You are repeatedly ignoring requests and demands to stop editing. Josh Parris 22:59, 22 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Can I make a suggestion? Don't edit with AWB if AWB can't keep it's hands away from making meaningless edits. Josh Parris 23:02, 22 March 2012 (UTC)
 * I have to say I agree with Josh. These aren't time sensitive fixes: and if we learnt anything from the Smackbot experience, it's that trivial changes are really, really worth avoiding. So I think it really would be worth not running the bot until the percentage of trivial edits gets far closer to 0 than it seems to be at present. It'll only end in tears otherwise. - Jarry1250 [Deliberation needed] 23:57, 22 March 2012 (UTC)
 * The number of pages fixed compared to the pages than nothing really happens is much bigger than 1 or 2 years ago. AWB reached 8000+ revisions full f bugs fixes and logic improvement. Imagine how was the situation 2000 revisions ago in January 2010. Thanks to mass editing I was able to spot and fix dozens of bugs in a time much faster than expected. The feature of redirect bypassing is rather new and is still a subject of improvement. I am always here fixing bugs, improving, discussing, reporting every single problem. I am also reporting bugs to other applications or projects like HOTCAT and CHECKWIKI. I only beg for some patient. I wouldn't like to abandon bot editing completely due to a (small) number of cases. Yes, the number is small compared to the number of important fixes. The next time we get a new database dump there will be dozens of thousands edits on (semi)important issues. -- Magioladitis (talk) 17:28, 23 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Sure, it's got better, but you're still dicing with death. If you just waited for the improvements to be made first, then performed the bot edits, then we could avoid all the stressiness that results every time a bot make trivial edits. - Jarry1250 [Deliberation needed] 17:43, 23 March 2012 (UTC)
 * If I waited most of the improvements would never have been done. Most of them are complains about my bot :) It's true I get a lot of stress everytime someone stops or especially blocks my bot and I don't know if it's worth because I have to admit it damaged my health a bit. -- Magioladitis (talk) 17:48, 23 March 2012 (UTC)

Changes to My Grandfather's Page?
Hi, Mag. I was checking out my grandfather's page (Mike Sebastian) and I noticed that you had made some changes. I don't have a problem with any changes you made but I was curious as to what your interest may have been?

Thanks, Mike Sebastian III — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ms33 (talk • contribs) 15:52, 18 March 2012 (UTC)
 * I am trying to fix every possible syntax error. I am improve every single pages that needs improvement. -- Magioladitis (talk) 07:11, 30 August 2012 (UTC)

Error in AWB 8032
I just jumped from AWB 8000 to 8032. I'm getting an error with the code User:Yobot/Task 17.
 * Error is "Line 95, col 52 No overload for method 'MakeHumanCatKey' takes '1' argument.

Bgwhite (talk) 04:30, 21 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Code updated by Rjw. -- Magioladitis (talk) 19:53, 21 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Thank you to the both of you. Well, just to Magioladitis.  Rjwilmsi is a bot, so it doesn't having feelings. Bgwhite (talk) 20:09, 21 March 2012 (UTC)
 * LOL. -- Magioladitis (talk)

References outside parentheses

 * While I remember... I don't know if this is possible, but have AWB move )
 * There could be complications if there are more than one ref inside the parentheses and I'm probably missing some unintended consequences. Is this doable to where I should file a bug/feature report? Bgwhite (talk) 20:28, 21 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Can you please provide an example of what should AWB do in this case? -- Magioladitis (talk) 21:34, 21 March 2012 (UTC)
 * (May 1, 2000 - May 30, 2050 ) -->  (May 1, 2000 - May 30, 2050)
 * An example page is Claes Malmberg Bgwhite (talk) 22:59, 21 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Um, just TPS-ing here, but why would you want to do that? I used refs inside brackets all the time to illustrate that the reference specifically cites the content inside the brackets, such as birth/death date. Why would you change that? Maybe I misunderstand though, it's late and I'm tired :) - Jarry1250 [Deliberation needed] 23:14, 22 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Link: REFPUNC. - Jarry1250 [Deliberation needed] 23:15, 22 March 2012 (UTC)
 * If I'm reading it correctly, it says to put the ref outside the parentheses except "it may on rare occasion be more appropriate to place the number inside the closing parenthesis". Also says the only time to put a ref before a punctuation mark is the dash.  Bgwhite (talk) 23:30, 22 March 2012 (UTC)
 * "on rare occasion" is enough for the bot not to be doing it. - Jarry1250 [Deliberation needed] 17:45, 23 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Where in the world was bot ever mentioned? It wasn't.  We are talking about manual edits with AWB. Bgwhite (talk) 05:07, 25 March 2012 (UTC)
 * That's my fault for misunderstanding, sorry. I saw Yobot mentioned and assumed you were reusing the code as a bot. but would you really move the ref outside of the birthdate/deathdate brackets? Surely it's better left inside the brackets. - Jarry1250 [Deliberation needed] 14:01, 25 March 2012 (UTC)

← ← ← On a side note, you would think I could spell "parentheses" after typing it in so many time. Egads, I'll never get it right. Bgwhite (talk) 05:46, 27 March 2012 (UTC)
 * 1) It is per MOS via REFPUNC that the reference be moved outside the parentheses.
 * 2) I see it most as this:  (May 1900 - June 19501)    Where the ref applies to both the birthdate and deathdate. This is really egregious because of the dash... MOS says the ref is only for the deathdate and it appears that there is no ref for the birthdate.  With the ref outside the parentheses, it covers both dates.
 * 3) The birth/death date is not the only place it happens as it can be anywhere throughout the body of the text.  In the body, it is usually text and not dates inside the  parentheses.  It is very hard to spot manually, so I rarely catch it.
 * I have to say I disagree. "Where a reference or other footnote applies only to material within a parenthetical phrase, placing the tag within the closing parenthesis may be appropriate". I mean, basically I read your example differently, taking the citation to apply to the whole contents of the brackets. I can't find where in the in MOS it says that that presentation implies the cite applies only to the deathdate. I assume it hinges on your interpretation of "dash" in WP:REFPUNC, which I have always taken to exclude range dashes (and hence leaving only parenthetical ones). I use spellcheck :) - Jarry1250 [Deliberation needed] 09:44, 27 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Please note may be appropriate. It doesn't say always.  It is appropriate in the example given because one ref is for Japanese text and the other for the Korean text... (Korean: 김정은; Hanja: 金正恩)  It is also appropriate when a ref is used for birthdate and another is used for deathdate.  (May 1900 - June 19501)
 * Nowhere is there a rule that says always inside a parenthesis. Nowhere is there a rule that says never outside.  I quote,  "The rule is the reference follows the closing parenthesis, but there are rare exceptions..."  The exceptions are given in the examples above.  The exceptions are your maybe quote.  I don't know how more clearly one can state "follows the closing parenthesis". Bgwhite (talk) 20:55, 27 March 2012 (UTC)
 * I've always read that to mean in most cases, the reference will refer to the contents of the brackets and other content, so should be outside the brackets. I could be wrong though. - Jarry1250 [Deliberation needed] 20:59, 27 March 2012 (UTC)

Yobot and 'Art'
Is there a way to stop yobot from removing the guillemets in the French title of 'Art' (in two of the references)? They are actually part of the title of the play. It has done it three times now. Thanks --ColinFine (talk) 22:43, 21 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Check AWB's bugs' page and Rjw's response there. -- Magioladitis (talk) 07:12, 30 August 2012 (UTC)

Synchro seems awfully specific for a partner field
I have made some suggestions at Template talk:Infobox sportsperson. we should make this applicable to other sports with partners. Frietjes (talk) 20:39, 23 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Yes, I agree. Go ahead and I'll update the pages if needed. -- Magioladitis (talk) 20:40, 23 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Now it's fixed. -- Magioladitis (talk) 12:51, 8 April 2012 (UTC)

Template:Redirectshere
Just out of curiosity… Who exactly was the “One author who has requested deletion or blanked the page” at Template:Redirectshere? Thanks --Mormegil (talk) 21:42, 23 March 2012 (UTC)
 * In the talk page (which I deleted too) Cuddly Panda the editor who created that page requested to be deleted back in... 2007 as a duplicate of "redirect". I wonder why nobody noticed. -- Magioladitis (talk) 21:43, 23 March 2012 (UTC)

Infobox Journalist or Person?
Hi, thanks for correcting some of my mistakes. For future record, is "journalist" a valid infobox type? --Salimfadhley (talk) 23:30, 23 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Infobox journalist is only a redirect of Infobox person. Journalists use infobox person now. Prefer to use Infobox person. -- Magioladitis (talk) 10:44, 24 March 2012 (UTC)

Template:Wikify
Can I please ask you to look at this and give your opinion on the change? This issue originally came up last August, and has popped up again.  Nolelover   Talk · Contribs  12:36, 24 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Is there a consensus to the "not add wikify to stubs"? Can you please add it to the template's manual? Moreover, what we do if there is a wikify tag in a stub with no parameters?-- Magioladitis (talk) 13:02, 24 March 2012 (UTC)
 * I'm not saying there is consensus to completely not add wikify to stubs, so the template's manual doesn't apply. I'm saying that AWB shouldn't offer the option, since most people won't check if it's really needed. If they want to add it manually with Twinkle, that's another thing. However, the algorithm AWB uses to add wikify really doesn't apply to stubs. If a stub has been tagged with wikify, just leave it. It isn't hurting, especially if it was added manually. Personally, I don't think AWB should be removing wikify tags at all but that's a completely separate discussion.  Nolelover   Talk · Contribs  13:30, 24 March 2012 (UTC)

So is this change possible? Is there another place I should ask?  Nolelover   Talk · Contribs  21:37, 27 March 2012 (UTC)
 * I have this problem in mind already. I think Template talk:Wikify is the best place to discuss. -- Magioladitis (talk) 12:52, 8 April 2012 (UTC)
 * I don't mean to be a d*ck, but do you have any actual objections to this? I don't think there's anything to discuss at TT:Wikify. This change would not modify wikify, and we already have consensus from the people who would comment there (the original discussions from months ago). Seriously, is there a better place to ask? I understand you are busy, so if I should go to someone else...  Nolelover   Talk · Contribs  16:38, 9 April 2012 (UTC)
 * I agree with you in fact but the problem I noticed with wikify is that there was never an actual standard when to add or remove. I informed the other devs about your comment here but they are hesitating to implement it because so far we were just implementing everything we were asked to and the result was to change the wikify criteria many times. I also asked for options to disactivate wikify tag/untag but nobody implemented yet and I am not an expert programmer. I ensure if I could do it myself I would have already done. I think we need a stable consensus on the matter of wikifycation. I tried in the past by participating in the transformation of the template and by creating more explicit templates but there is still work to be done. I think the main problem in not that we have many or few articles with tags but that we don't know what to actually do with them. I wish I could participate more and help on that. -- Magioladitis (talk) 09:37, 10 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Sorry for the delay in responding. I understand your concerns about the non-existent standard; that's one of the biggest issues with wikify and creates constant problems. However, I think that this change will help to solidify exactly what we are talking about. A lot of people believe that wikification either just refers to a lack of links or can be put on any article that looks vaguely bad. Unfortunately, AWB somewhat furthers the first idea because of the algorithm it uses (it only takes links into consideration). What this means is that articles that already are properly wikified get the template because they don't have enough links. Obviously this is especially prevalent with stubs, so we have proposed that stubs don't get the wikify tag at all. There are other ways to add wikify (Twinkle, manually), so this isn't that big a deal. Until AWB takes more then just links into the equation though, I don't believe it can accurately judge the wikification of stubs.
 * Now, who exactly are the other devs? You don't have to tell me, of course, but I've come to you since you're the only editor I know who helps with the backstage work of AWB.  Nolelover   Talk · Contribs  14:08, 21 April 2012 (UTC)
 * I think the best is to leave a wake up comment in Wikipedia talk:AutoWikiBrowser and also contact User:Rjwilmsi and User:Reedy. I share many of your concerns. Maybe during the summer I will be able to help more on the direction f improving both the wikify tag and the AWB algorithm. In fact, these are two items in my to-do list for this year. Unfortunately, some things go slow in Wikipedia. The community acted very fast for some cleanup tags but not for all. -- Magioladitis (talk) 17:37, 21 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Alright, thanks for your help! I'll post an invitation for a general "AWB and wikify" discussion there later on. Again, much appreciated.  Nolelover   Talk · Contribs  13:20, 22 April 2012 (UTC)

Wikify was sent to TfD and the result was to deprecate it. Now there is a new discussion how to imlement a different strategy foe wikification. -- Magioladitis (talk) 07:13, 30 August 2012 (UTC)

AWB edits
What is the motivation for edits like ? According to your contribs you have made 50 edits in the last 5m10s, which seems like an amazing edit rate to be checking all the edits. &mdash; Carl (CBM · talk) 20:32, 24 March 2012 (UTC)


 * This one actually broke something: by removing a space you left two words touching each other. The article was fine before you edited it... &mdash; Carl (CBM · talk) 20:37, 24 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Give me a minute to check them. I tried to normalise the infoboxes about persons. I finished with scientists. -- Magioladitis (talk) 20:39, 24 March 2012 (UTC)
 * There was no space before neither. I added the space now. -- Magioladitis (talk) 20:42, 24 March 2012 (UTC)
 * There was a space, because the space in the link acts like one: link salad has the same output as link salad. Also the infobox on that article is fine and does not need to be "normalized". It is not appropriate to edits large numbers of article solely to bypass redirects. Your most recent edits all appeared to be bypassing the same Football infobox, for example, which is not an appropriate use of AWB. &mdash; Carl (CBM · talk) 20:46, 24 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Using the original name will enable me to run and remove image_size from pages with no images in infobox, move images inside the infobox, add birth and death dates. There are 100+ infoboxes and dozens of redirects. -- Magioladitis (talk) 20:48, 24 March 2012 (UTC)
 * The Football one you were replacing has about 3500 transclusions - far too many to go through and just change them all on a whim. Also, there is no problem with having image_size without an image anyway, it has no effect. &mdash; Carl (CBM · talk) 20:50, 24 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Until someone adds an image and forgets the old image_size or even worse the old caption (Yes, I've seen some of those). -- Magioladitis (talk) 20:52, 24 March 2012 (UTC)
 * That is their responsibility, though. Also, bypassing redirects is unrelated to this, since you can edit the infoboxes (assuming you have bot approval...) without bypassing them. Just treat every redirect to an infobox as another infobox template. But you cannot edit thousands of pages without bot approval just to bypass the rediects. &mdash; Carl (CBM · talk) 20:53, 24 March 2012 (UTC)

I am sure that you know that edits such as violate the AWB rules of use, which do not permit AWB edits that only bypass redirects. &mdash; Carl (CBM · talk) 20:57, 24 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Check by RfD. -- Magioladitis (talk) 20:58, 24 March 2012 (UTC)
 * and... wait! I didn't use awb! -- Magioladitis (talk) 20:59, 24 March 2012 (UTC)
 * If the template is at RFD it should not be orphaned before the RFD is closed. I realize the edit didn't have an AWB edit summary, but I wanted to point it out. Here are a few other recent edits you made with AWB that break the rule:  . &mdash; Carl (CBM · talk) 21:04, 24 March 2012 (UTC)
 * all of them would need to have their parameter names updated soon. -- Magioladitis (talk) 21:04, 24 March 2012 (UTC)
 * I have no idea what you mean about updating parameter names, but I am sure it can be done without violating the AWB rules. For example, once you get bot approval to change the parameter names, you can simply do that without changing the redirect used to load the infobox. &mdash; Carl (CBM · talk) 21:24, 24 March 2012 (UTC)

Multiple similar RfDs
Hello! Next time you would want to nominate several redirects for the same rationale, please nominate them under the common section using rfd2 for the first and rfd2m for consequent nominations. See details at WP:RFD. — Dmitrij D. Czarkoff (talk) 21:20, 24 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the heads up. Multiple RfDs was always a mystery for me. :) -- Magioladitis (talk) 21:22, 24 March 2012 (UTC)

AWB revision 8039
Hey Magio,

if you svn up and build yourself a version of AWB after rev 8039, you'll find a new Skip option "Only cosmetic changes are made", designed to avoid making edits when interwikis are moved, template redirects, etc. (to be used in addition to whitespace and casing). Do try it out, and tell me any bugs you find. In particular, see if it slows editing down particularly.

Regards, - Jarry1250 [Deliberation needed] 21:59, 26 March 2012 (UTC)

Hi Jarry! Thanks for your contributions to the code. I get a bug immediatelly after trying to start processing the first article of my list: Wikipedia_talk:AutoWikiBrowser/Bugs. -- Magioladitis (talk) 15:23, 27 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Mea culpa. Should be fixed in r8043. Try now :) - Jarry1250 [Deliberation needed] 19:27, 27 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Thanks! I'll give it a try. Btw, I would like to give an example where the rendered page is the same but the code readability changes: . -- Magioladitis (talk) 19:30, 27 March 2012 (UTC)
 * That falls squarely under COSMETICBOT IMHO - nice to have, but shouldn't be the sole change in any given edit. Do you disagree? - Jarry1250 [Deliberation needed] 21:00, 27 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Improving code readability is not a small issue and it should be underestimated. Moreover, I noticed that this skip option will limit Yobot not to fix some CHECKWIKI errors or even not fix things already fixed by FrescoBot. -- Magioladitis (talk) 16:47, 1 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Can you give tangible examples? I'm sympathetic on the code readability front, but I'm quite happy with what COSMETICBOT say at the moment i.e. that bots should not solely be improving code readability with any given edit. In other words, there are going to be some CHECKWIKI problems which cannot be used as the basis for a bot run (but can be tagged on at the end), and others which can be used as the core of an edit. Surely the latter category is enough t keep you busy for a few months at least? - Jarry1250 [Deliberation needed] 16:55, 1 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Was the appropriate option checked for this edit with r8041, or is another rev required? Josh Parris 10:16, 30 March 2012 (UTC)
 * 8043 will fix this. I 'll check as soon as I have some free time. -- Magioladitis (talk) 14:59, 30 March 2012 (UTC)
 * I need Reedy to build this for me. Right now my laptop is out of order. -- Magioladitis (talk) 16:59, 1 April 2012 (UTC)
 * http://toolserver.org/~awb/snapshots/AutoWikiBrowser5311_rev8047.zip - is that a built one? Josh Parris 02:29, 5 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Cool! Thanks. -- Magioladitis (talk) 07:31, 5 April 2012 (UTC)

I loaded 500 pages with "skip if only cosmetic chnages are made". Let's see the results. -- Magioladitis (talk) 08:04, 5 April 2012 (UTC)
 * I just added "skip if whitespace/casing is changed" as suggested. -- Magioladitis (talk) 08:06, 5 April 2012 (UTC)

There are still complains by editors (as I was expecting). -- Magioladitis (talk) 14:20, 5 April 2012 (UTC)

I need a 8050+ revision. Jarry fixed some more. -- Magioladitis (talk) 07:31, 7 April 2012 (UTC)

Today running with 8052. Let's see. -- Magioladitis (talk) 12:22, 8 April 2012 (UTC)

Nice to meet you
Hello, I'm a Chinese. Don't worry I can speak English but not very well. But I still want to try to join in English Wikipedia, will you agree? --2D-2R (talk) 00:42, 27 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Of course! Anyone can help the way they can. -- Magioladitis (talk) 19:32, 27 March 2012 (UTC)

Ok! I will do the best I can, thank you for your agree. --2D-2R (talk) 00:28, 29 March 2012 (UTC)

Invitation to events in June and July: bot, script, template, and Gadget makers wanted
I invite you to the yearly Berlin hackathon, 1-3 June. Registration is now open. If you need financial assistance or help with visa or hotel, then please register by May 1st and mention it in the registration form.

This is the premier event for the MediaWiki and Wikimedia technical community. We'll be hacking, designing, teaching, and socialising, primarily talking about ResourceLoader and Gadgets (extending functionality with JavaScript), the switch to Lua for templates, Wikidata, and Wikimedia Labs.

We want to bring 100-150 people together, including lots of people who have not attended such events before. User scripts, gadgets, API use, Toolserver, Wikimedia Labs, mobile, structured data, templates -- if you are into any of these things, we want you to come!

I also thought you might want to know about other upcoming events where you can learn more about MediaWiki customization and development, how to best use the web API for bots, and various upcoming features and changes. We'd love to have power users, bot maintainers and writers, and template makers at these events so we can all learn from each other and chat about what needs doing.

Check out the the developers' days preceding Wikimania in July in Washington, DC and our other events.

Best wishes! - Sumana Harihareswara, Wikimedia Foundation's Volunteer Development Coordinator. Please reply on my talk page, here or at mediawiki.org. Sumana Harihareswara, Wikimedia Foundation Volunteer Development Coordinator 02:34, 4 April 2012 (UTC)


 * Sorry I couln't make it for the Berlin Hackathon but I was busy with my work in Greece. Hackathon in Washington DC was a great experience and a got opportunity to present autoWikiBroswer. I hope I get the chance to participate in more Hackathons! -- Magioladitis (talk) 20:25, 12 July 2012 (UTC)

Template talk:Infobox military person
If you have a chance, would you please respond to the header size and new parameter requests at Template talk:Infobox military person. Thanks. -- Uzma Gamal (talk) 04:27, 6 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Commented there. -- Magioladitis (talk) 23:16, 23 August 2012 (UTC)

Nasdaq template
Although I hesitate to do these things, I have undone your unilateral and inappropriate orphaning of the nasdaq2 template.

First, it is disingenuous to orphan a template yourself and then immediately nominate it for deletion with the justification that it is orphaned. That gives a false impression that the template was orphaned naturally which will bias the deletion vote, and orphaning the templat prematurely prejudges the outcome of the discussion. A bot will orphan the template itself after a successful TFD.

Second, many of the edits you made were patent violations of the AWB rules against using AWB for the purpose of bypassing redirects.

I know that I have raised both of these issue with you before, while refraining for undoing those edits. However, as you have continued to perform these tasks, I am willing to use my editorial discretion under WP:BRD to undo them. You need to have consensus before you make any more of these large-scale AWB runs to orphan templates. &mdash; Carl (CBM · talk) 15:25, 8 April 2012 (UTC)

I reverted most of your edits since they were blind undoes only to upset me. -- Magioladitis (talk) 15:26, 8 April 2012 (UTC)
 * There seems to be a consensus to use original name of a template when it's simplier than the redirect. This redirect is only the result of an incomplete move. Everything I sent for deletion in the past of this kind was deleted by consensus. Next time ask before act. -- Magioladitis (talk) 15:29, 8 April 2012 (UTC)

This show that they were not only blind undoes but you also restored something that the Manual of Style says it should not be done. -- Magioladitis (talk) 15:30, 8 April 2012 (UTC)


 * I have opened a thread at ANI . Actually, I tried preserve the case change, but apparently I undid the edits twice. But blond undos are perfectly acceptable given that the edits themselves were blindly made with AWB, and could easily be made again with AWB without bypassing the templates. &mdash; Carl (CBM · talk) 15:34, 8 April 2012 (UTC)
 * I replied to your ANi already. It seems you try to cause drama and this not the first time. -- Magioladitis (talk) 15:36, 8 April 2012 (UTC)

I did this edit manually to standardise the Hatnote. It seems you didn't notice that neither. -- Magioladitis (talk) 15:42, 8 April 2012 (UTC)

Nasdaq2 has been deleted via RfD like all other xxxx2 redirects. It's nice to see that it has been deleted even it was not orphan and that the community supported the deletion. -- Magioladitis (talk) 20:56, 26 April 2012 (UTC)

Yobot tagging dab page as stub
Hallo, Yobot added stub to L. aromatica, presumably not recognising the specialised dab template of Species Latin name abbreviation disambiguation. (Or maybe it's a nonstandard dab template which isn't registered in some list of dab templates...). Pam D  15:28, 8 April 2012 (UTC)
 * I can easily fix this. Thanks for the report. -- Magioladitis (talk) 15:29, 8 April 2012 (UTC)
 * fixes it. -- Magioladitis (talk) 21:51, 23 August 2012 (UTC)

WP:OTHERDATE Fixes
If your going to fix 'en dash' issues on articles, how about you fix them all and not just one of them... The 'fixes' you've done to the following pages have done nothing except make the tables look non-uniform due to the date formats now being different throughout the tables.

   

Can I suggest you look into this and either fix all of the 'dash' to 'en dash' s or none of them?

Thanks - Happysailor  (Talk) 19:40, 13 April 2012 (UTC)

Thanks for the heads up. I'll ask User:Rjwilmsi who implemented this procedure for a comment. -- Magioladitis (talk) 19:44, 13 April 2012 (UTC)

Nomination of History and branches of Judaism for deletion
A discussion is taking place as to whether the article History and branches of Judaism is suitable for inclusion in Wikipedia according to Wikipedia's policies and guidelines or whether it should be deleted.

The article will be discussed at Articles for deletion/History and branches of Judaism until a consensus is reached, and anyone is welcome to contribute to the discussion. The nomination will explain the policies and guidelines which are of concern. The discussion focuses on high-quality evidence and our policies and guidelines.

Users may edit the article during the discussion, including to improve the article to address concerns raised in the discussion. However, do not remove the article-for-deletion template from the top of the article. —Justin ( koavf ) ❤T☮C☺M☯ 08:44, 14 April 2012 (UTC)

Checkwiki error 16
Find Unicode control characters. This could be a problem inside a template. It's easily fixed AutoEd, but difficult by hand. AWB doesn't fix this error yet. -- Magioladitis (talk) 21:33, 15 April 2012 (UTC)

Random notes for me:
 * 1) AutoEd seems not to handle Jainism in the United States, Slavic peoples correctly.
 * 2) It turns that we need a combination of AutoEd and AWB to clean up a page 100%. -- Magioladitis (talk) 22:05, 15 April 2012 (UTC)

changes to page
Re: Peter Proctor. Oops. I slipped up. Did not intend to delete out categories while doing changes to this page in my sandbox, to avoid cluttering up the history. Anyway, I have reverted to my version, while reinserting your changes (I hope). Feel free to edit this page, but please do not revert. Nucleophilic (talk) 19:43, 20 April 2012 (UTC)
 * I fixed the categories again.-- Magioladitis (talk) 20:03, 20 April 2012 (UTC)

Beatles infobox
There is a straw poll taking place here, and your input would be appreciated. — GabeMc (talk) 01:57, 23 April 2012 (UTC)

AWB access
Just wondeering but do I need to do anything special to get my AWB access restored. I have started to muck about again, not sure for how long or how much I am going to do yet but I was going to just live without it but I have found that editing without it to be too timeconsuming and too much of a hassle. Kumioko (talk) 19:27, 25 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Your AWB access has been restored by The Blade of the Northern Lights. -- Magioladitis (talk) 20:52, 26 April 2012 (UTC)

CHECKWIKI
It's interesting to remark that the number of pages with CHECKWIKI errors goes up and down which means that editors do fix these errors. I wonder if the solely do it or they do more stuff at the the same time. I am almost sure that there editors who solely fix CHECKWIKI errors judging by the number of editors who participate in the project. So then why only prohibit Yobot from doing this task? Doing this task by a bot is better since the edit can be hidden, it contains less risk of human error and helps AWB's code improve. -- Magioladitis (talk) 20:47, 26 April 2012 (UTC)
 * I personally have used AWB manually to solely fix CHECHWIKI errors. So, count me in as one of "those" editors. Bgwhite (talk) 21:01, 9 May 2012 (UTC)

Template redirects
Remark: I keep removing tempplate redirects from AWB's page while many editors keep adding. This means specific redirect skipping has partial(?) consensus in the community and I am not the one who forces redirect skipping. -- Magioladitis (talk) 20:49, 26 April 2012 (UTC)

Italics
There appear to be only about 1590 articles using the deprecated italics mark-up. I think it would be worthwhile trying to get some consensus to improve the readability of wikicode, since this is barrier to entry,and a lot of this minor stuff could be cleared away with little or no problem. Rich Farmbrough, 08:42, 2 May 2012 (UTC).


 * Where is this list? I could probably help on that. -- Magioladitis (talk) 17:42, 2 May 2012 (UTC)

A neat new gadget you might find useful
I recently asked on Village pump (technical) if someone could write a script that would allow the corresponding talk page or main page to be displayed when viewing articles in a category. User:Equazcion was kind enough to build it. The script can be found here. The script also shows in red if the corresponding page has not been created yet. I have found it to be very useful and wanted to share it. Kumioko (talk) 13:58, 2 May 2012 (UTC)

Lock on Prince Ludwig Rudolph of Hanover
Please remove the lock on the Prince Ludwig Rudolph of Hanover article. The dispute to which you referred on the talk page when you locked the page was resolved many months ago: the chief disputant, Clumpytree, was indefinitely blocked from editing Wikipedia in September 2011. Thanks. FactStraight (talk) 08:36, 4 May 2012 (UTC)
 * Good luck and happy editing! -- Magioladitis (talk) 09:18, 5 May 2012 (UTC)

User:Magioladitis/AWB_and_CHECKWIKI
89, 90 and  91 are no longer relevant to en:wp. All the best. Rich Farmbrough, 12:21, 8 May 2012 (UTC).


 * Updated. Cheers, Magioladitis (talk) 09:30, 9 May 2012 (UTC)

Sort key for Asian names
In case Yobot gets approved again, please fix the DEFAULTSORT that it picks for Asian names; this was wrong. There were two clues that it could have used to determine the family name: the Chinese name template, and the 'Listas' parameter on the talk page, which is used by Defaultsortbot e.g. here. (I looked through the archive in case this issue had come up already, but didn't see it.) – Fayenatic <font color="#FF0000">L ondon (talk) 19:28, 9 May 2012 (UTC)
 * You are talking about a year-old edit. The latest version of AWB had this change made, "Improve DEFAULTSORT generation using  templates from Category:Surname clarification templates".  Also, listas is not a good judge as to what defaultsort should be and visa versa. The number of editors who are not aware of all the sorting rules runs around 100% of all editors. I wrote the book (WP:NAMESORT) on some of the sorting rules and I don't have clue on some names.  The number of Chinese articles, with manual edits and the wrong order for defaultsort or listas, is high.  Bgwhite (talk) 21:12, 9 May 2012 (UTC)
 * I reported this as an AWB bug in February, and it was fixed in March. GoingBatty (talk) 23:44, 9 May 2012 (UTC)
 * OK, thank you both, keep up the good work! – Fayenatic <font color="#FF0000">L ondon (talk) 07:41, 10 May 2012 (UTC)

Request for unblock user
I agree that the behaviour of Pyraechmes in Greek Wikipedia shows clearly that this user is no longer the same person who was banned. I support the request to unblock him. Please notify me if an opinion is needed elsewhere. --FocalPoint (talk) 20:19, 25 May 2012 (UTC)
 * Editor unblocked. -- Magioladitis (talk) 09:33, 13 June 2012 (UTC)

You've got Email
I sent you an Email. Kumioko (talk) 00:30, 10 June 2012 (UTC)

Infobox comics creator
Instead of immediately reverting a change that didn't break anything, you could've asked what the stuff you didn't understand means first.

It was copied directly out of Infobox writer. What it does is, if someone adds, for example, "????" or "19??" for a birthdate, it displays "date of birth unknown" rather than the input gibberish. It's actually a pretty simple switch, if you take the time to read it.  C üRly T üRkey  <sup style="margin-left:1.5ex;">Talk <sub style="margin-left:-5ex;">Contribs 23:16, 17 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Thanks for letting me know. In fact I didn't just revert your edit but I proposed a solution that I thought it's better. I don't have strong feelings on this switch you added but I would prefer if infobxes stayed clean and simple at least until we find a way to treat them alltogether with the same manner. -- Magioladitis (talk) 23:19, 17 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Sorry, I'd seen your revert of my change, but before you added back in the birth name. That ended up re-breaking the box, which I thought was pretty drastic for having added "things which [you] dont understand".  C üRly T üRkey  <sup style="margin-left:1.5ex;">Talk <sub style="margin-left:-5ex;">Contribs 23:27, 17 June 2012 (UTC)
 * My aplogies for the edit summary. I meant that I don't see the need of the switches. -- Magioladitis (talk) 07:11, 18 June 2012 (UTC)

Extremely minor and tedious little complaint
I appreciate the your cleanup efforts, but please try to avoid edits such as this, that make no visible change to articles, as they waste page watchers' time and complicate page histories unnecessarily. Thanks. --Hobbes Goodyear (talk) 00:58, 7 July 2012 (UTC)
 * This is what I am working to achieve. -- Magioladitis (talk) 03:15, 7 July 2012 (UTC)

AWB SVN 8088
Hi Magioladitis! I see you're using AWB SVN 8088. Are you able to post the SVN at http://toolserver.org/~awb/snapshots/ ? I've asked Reedy, but did not receive a response. Thanks! GoingBatty (talk) 22:19, 7 July 2012 (UTC)
 * New snapshot is online now. -- Magioladitis (talk) 20:21, 12 July 2012 (UTC)
 * Thank you - I hope to try it out this weekend. GoingBatty (talk) 02:53, 13 July 2012 (UTC)

Wikimania
I just wanted to say have a good flight and see you next week maybe. Kumioko (talk) 02:59, 9 July 2012 (UTC)
 * Thanks! I really hope we are meeting each other next week. There is so much to discuss. -- Magioladitis (talk) 03:00, 9 July 2012 (UTC)
 * I am in NYC right now. I am coming with a Wikibus to DC tomorrow. :) -- Magioladitis (talk) 03:01, 9 July 2012 (UTC)
 * Cool, I didn't know you were already in the states. I work in DC and live nearby so I'm already in town. :-)Kumioko (talk) 03:11, 9 July 2012 (UTC)

Kingboyk plugin
Greetings Magio, I hope your enjoying your visit to DC. I have been trying to use the plugin the last couple of days and I just wanted to suggest a couple of improvements to the plugin. The following only partially relate to the plugin Cheers. Kumioko (talk) 19:47, 10 July 2012 (UTC)
 * 1) First, it doesn't work. Nothing I do makes that plugin work, I either get errors or it shuts down AWB completely, no errors, no beeps or warnings, just closed.
 * 2) Next, can you add in a way to more easily add a list of articles and its talk page together? In trying to make the application work I have found that its extremely difficult to get a list of articles with its talk page directly after it.
 * 1) In AWB there are multiple places where it asks to alphabetize the article list, none seem to be connected so when I change it in one location the others aren't associated.
 * 2) Same thing with non article content. You can change it by hitting the button next to the list, in the list comparer or on the menu under tools I think. None seem to affect the other and this can at times be confusing and frustrating.


 * I'm not experiencing any problems with the Kingboyk plugin. I'm using SVN8062.  Maybe try cleaning out your settings first?
 * I have two AWBs open at all times. One for the talk page and the other for the article.  Works out extremely well for me.  Alot of times it can take a bit of time to save. So, while the talk page is saving, I can be looking at the next article's main page in the other AWB.
 * I'm not sure what you mean about alphabetizing questions. Bgwhite (talk) 20:20, 10 July 2012 (UTC)

I agree with Bgwhite. It seems you hvve some old settings loaded. You need to resave your settings files and delete the really old ones. -- Magioladitis (talk) 20:29, 10 July 2012 (UTC)
 * I have 8062 as well. I've tried about everything. Even downloaded a whole new AWB SVN into a separate folder with no settings or anything. Just a blank AWB and still no go. When you say you have 2 versions how dowes the plugin know? When the plugin tries to process on mine and doesn't hit the talk page I get an error after it reads the mainspace article that it expected to see a talk page and asks if my list is messed up.


 * For the Alphebetizing question there is a checkbox under Filter for keep alphabetized and also under the same for List comparer. Then under list on the main menu it says it as well. If you uncheck it in one place you also need to check it in the others. There not linked so if you want to alphabetize or unalphabetize you always have to uncheck in like 4 places.
 * Same for remove non space, you always have to check like 4 or 5 places and it seems a little unnecessary to me. Kumioko (talk) 20:37, 10 July 2012 (UTC)


 * By default, the settings don't get saved in the same folder as AWB. So, if you have two different AWB folders, by default they use the same settings file.  It is in a hidden folder on Windows.  Mine is C:\Users\Bgwhite\AppData\Local\AutoWikiBrowser\default.xml


 * I have one AWB only for talk pages and another only for the articles. So, the talk page AWB is the only one with the plugin and module running.  I copy the listing from one AWB to the other and then hit list -> convert to/from talk page.  On mine, if the talk page AWB hits a mainspace article, it skips the article.  Sometimes one AWB won't save and just reloads the page or just skips the page entirely while the other AWB doesn't.  I don't always catch it right away.  So, sometimes 3-4 articles later, it dawns on me and I have to go back and fix the ones I goofed on.


 * For the Alphebetizing question...  I always have checked the checkbox under Filter to keep alphabetized.  This setting only works on pages you have loaded via the "make list" button.  It doesn't work if you are copy-pasting a list.   The option under List on the main menu, I only manually use this if I copy-pasted a list.  To me, this is good feature because copy-pasting a list that you retrieved from a category page can contain non articles.... Letters A, B, C, etc.   All the talk pages will be sorted under T for talk, while the non articles are sorted regularly.  While in the other AWB, the same copied list doesn't have talk pages, so everything is sorted regularly.  This cause the two AWB lists to be sorted differently.Bgwhite (talk) 21:24, 10 July 2012 (UTC)

Jack Dempsey
Please check it. Thanks. <b style="color:#060">7&amp;6=thirteen</b> (<b style="color:#000">☎</b>) 23:24, 10 July 2012 (UTC)
 * I ran AWB on this one. -- Magioladitis (talk) 18:02, 11 July 2012 (UTC)

OGRs
Golomb ruler. Rich Farmbrough, 17:50, 11 July 2012 (UTC).

Mouse
You left your mouse, I have it. Rich Farmbrough, 21:32, 11 July 2012 (UTC).


 * Your mouse is in the dining room. Rich Farmbrough, 04:13, 12 July 2012 (UTC).


 * You are upstairs and bringing it to me. :) -- Magioladitis (talk) 04:21, 12 July 2012 (UTC)
 * Your mouse is at D119. Rich Farmbrough, 12:58, 12 July 2012 (UTC).

Project Banners & removing nested
Just to let you know that Yobot had a small problem when removing nested from banners on 5 talk pages. [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Contributions/WOSlinker&offset=20120712210738&limit=5&target=WOSlinker Here's a list] of my fixes so just in case it might help fix the problem with Yobot for next time. -- WOSlinker (talk) 21:11, 12 July 2012 (UTC)
 * Thanks for fixing these. I knew the problem but I didn't know the source of the problem. It seems nested parameter is the problem. -- Magioladitis (talk) 21:29, 12 July 2012 (UTC)
 * Related - removed yes from, but not from the other three. -- Red rose64 (talk) 21:40, 17 July 2012 (UTC)
 * I see 2 problems. 1 the code to remove nested isn't counting the space between nested and = and Archaelogy didn't get replaced with WikiProject Archaeology. I am fixing both right now... I hope. Kumioko (talk) 23:45, 17 July 2012 (UTC)

Unusual biography
Abul-Abbas is an interesting choice to be tagged as a biography. Gave me a chuckle. A British army member (a tortoise) was included as a biography a few months back. I think Kumioko‎ was involved with that discussion. What is triggering Abul-Abbas to put it on a list of biographies? Bgwhite (talk) 23:34, 13 July 2012 (UTC)

July 2012 Study of authors of health-related Wikipedia pages
Dear Author/Magioladitis

My name is Nuša Farič and I am a Health Psychology MSc student at the University College London (UCL). I am currently running a quantitative study entitled Who edits health-related Wikipedia pages and why? I am interested in the editorial experience of people who edit health-related Wikipedia pages. I am interested to learn more about the authors of health-related pages on Wikipedia and what motivations they have for doing so. I am currently contacting the authors of randomly selected articles and I noticed that someone at this address recently edited an article on2007 Bernard Matthews H5N1 outbreak. I would like to ask you a few questions about you and your experience of editing the above mentioned article and or other health-related articles. If you would like more information about the project, please visit my user page (http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Hydra_Rain) and if interested, please reply via my talk page or e-mail me on nusa.faric.11@ucl.ac.uk. Also, others interested in the study may contact me! If I do not hear back from you I will not contact this account again. Thank you very much in advance. Hydra Rain (talk) 12:44, 14 July 2012 (UTC)

Elaine Shemilt talk page
I noticed today that Yobot created a talk page at Talk:Elaine shemilt. Elaine shemilt is a redirect to Elaine Shemilt, left over from a move to correct capitalisation of the name. (Actually there is no real reason to keep that redirect, I suppose). I assume it is an issue with the bot adding talk to biographies from an old list, but the move was almost a week ago, so I wanted to check what cuased it before moving the talk page also. --Qetuth (talk) 14:17, 14 July 2012 (UTC)
 * Fixed. I have to get faster to avoid this problem I presume. The list is based on a database dump. -- Magioladitis (talk) 15:33, 14 July 2012 (UTC)

Start date template
Here is my BOTREQ to fix up metadata in infoboxes, by applying Start date. Can you help, please? Andy Mabbett ( Pigsonthewing ); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 16:37, 14 July 2012 (UTC)

Nonfree content on your userpage
Per the policies on the usage of non-free images on Wikipedia, non-free images are not allowed on pages outside of the article namespace, including userpages. An image on your user page is copyrighted and unlicensed, so I had to remove it. I'm sorry if you are upset by my editing your page without your permission, but this is a rule where Wikipedia allows no exceptions. I want to make sure you know that this isn't personal. Feel free to contact me if you have any questions, or to seek another editor's opinion at the WP:MCQ discussion board. Hullaballoo Wolfowitz (talk) 01:39, 16 July 2012 (UTC)

Just do it
Please see in WP:So fix it the approx. sentence "If you see a problem that needs to be fixed Just do it!"

There is a tremendous amount of tag spam on articles these days. Many of these "helpful" tags are over 3 years old. They are not helping anything, they do not have any specifics of what needs to be fixed. They are ugly. Perhaps most importantly, they are telling me that I need to do something - but the editor who put them there doesn't want to take the effort do do anything himself about the problem that he sees. Why is he better than me? Who told him that he can order me around? Does he remove as many of the ugly tags as he adds? What's the point of adding the ugly tags? If I can't see a point, I delete them. That's most of the tags I see these days.

Do you remove as many tags as you add? Why not? Smallbones (talk) 04:21, 16 July 2012 (UTC)


 * I reverted your reversion on the Wortley article. I've explained my reasoning above, but haven't seen any justification (or effect) of the tag.  Please revert your reversion on the Bernardo O'Higgins article, since nobody has said why a tag is needed, and I've explained the problem with the tag on the article talk page.  And please do fight tag spam.  Smallbones (talk) 04:34, 16 July 2012 (UTC)

Carlos Fonseca
Hello I am the son of Carlos Fonseca. Add my e-mail and messenger — Preceding unsigned comment added by Gugumopa (talk • contribs) 05:07, 17 July 2012 (UTC)

Make sortkey with AWB
Hello, I use AWB for a non Wikimedia project, with AWB I wish to add in a huge people cat so I wish AWB choose the family name or the last word of the title to include in  Do you understand ? Sorry for my poor english I'm french ;-) Hervé--62.147.241.53 (talk) 14:29, 17 July 2012 (UTC)
 * This is very easily done by AWB. You should ask for a bot approval in your Wikipedia and run it. -- Magioladitis (talk) 14:47, 17 July 2012 (UTC)
 * Thank you for you help, I have another question, is it possible to remove category sortkey ? Thanks a lot Hervé --62.147.241.53 (talk) 09:57, 20 July 2012 (UTC)
 * We don't provide this feauture. I am sorry. -- Magioladitis (talk) 23:27, 20 July 2012 (UTC)

Ελληνική ΒΠ
Καλησπέρα.. Πριν 4 μέρες έχεις θέσει υποψηφιότητα για διαχειριστής στην Ελληνική Βικιπαίδεια. Διάφοροι χρήστες σου έκαναν ερωτήσεις (αυτό συνηθίζεται), στις οποίες δεν έχεις απαντήσει.. Η σελίδα βρίσκεται - θα βρείς και μια δική μου ερώτηση. Καλή συνέχεια! Nataly8 (talk) 16:28, 17 July 2012 (UTC)
 * Δεν είχα ίντερνετ για μια μέρα. Τώρα απαντάω. -- Magioladitis (talk) 12:48, 18 July 2012 (UTC)

AWB Logging to file
Since you posted on my talk page and work with developing AWB, I figured talking to you might be quicker than posting this on the AWB talk page. How exactly do I get the Logging to file feature to work? I have selected Upload, and I press apply, but the "Lines" column never goes above 2. And if I press "Turn on" it deselects the "Upload" checkbox. So am I doing something wrong? Inks.LWC (talk) 04:23, 18 July 2012 (UTC)
 * You should ask User:Reedy for that. I haven't worked with logging to file. -- Magioladitis (talk) 08:33, 19 July 2012 (UTC)
 * Thank you. Inks.LWC (talk) 06:13, 21 July 2012 (UTC)

Status update
Just wondering what the status was for adding WP Biography to all those fun-filled articles. Looks like you are done with adding the banner, but just need to set living? Bgwhite (talk) 19:49, 19 July 2012 (UTC)
 * I am not done yet. I won't have regular internet access for some days. I 'll leave you a message as soon as I finish. -- Magioladitis (talk) 21:07, 19 July 2012 (UTC)
 * Finished adding WPBio. -- Magioladitis (talk) 13:11, 26 July 2012 (UTC)
 * That's awesome. I think there were some articles missing in the original list though. I found a couple such as Joshua A. Jones that haven't been tagged. There are a couple hundred under Category:Living people. Its definately a big drop from the 50K that was out there. Also a few under Category:Possibly living people like Sylvia Callen. Kumioko (talk) 01:16, 27 July 2012 (UTC)
 * Larabot should be finding and tagging untagged pages in Category:Living people. We have an extra problem. The toolserver tool that was finding pages under living people with no tags is not working anymore. -- Magioladitis (talk) 07:33, 27 July 2012 (UTC)

Now adding living parameter with value "no" to 14,000 of them. Most probably I'll be adding more soon. -- Magioladitis (talk) 23:33, 27 July 2012 (UTC)

I just loaded all the pages that are contained in living people too. There are 12,800. -- Magioladitis (talk) 23:43, 28 July 2012 (UTC)

10,152 pages with persons not living anymore loaded. -- Magioladitis (talk) 10:27, 29 July 2012 (UTC)

4,300 new pages in 21st-century deaths. -- Magioladitis (talk) 23:49, 29 July 2012 (UTC)

550 pages in 1800s-1880s births. -- Magioladitis (talk) 00:41, 30 July 2012 (UTC)
 * You may want to check Category:Possibly living people also. Kumioko (talk) 01:08, 30 July 2012 (UTC)

123 pages in Category:Possibly living people. -- Magioladitis (talk) 07:39, 30 July 2012 (UTC)

I did as possible with the bot. There is a bug and the plugin won't skip if the banner is not for its primary name so I think it's better to stop and work manually with the remaining 2,000 pages. -- Magioladitis (talk) 08:36, 30 July 2012 (UTC)

Village_pump_(miscellaneous). -- Magioladitis (talk) 11:29, 30 July 2012 (UTC)

Less than 500 pages left. -- Magioladitis (talk) 00:36, 31 July 2012 (UTC)

Updated the WikiProjects code
I just wanted to let you know I did some changes to the WikiProjects code. I removed all the projects that didn't have any redirects (so the code wasn't doing anything but slowing down the process) and I fixed one for NIH. I recommend we just add them if needed if we determine that a redirect is created at some point in the future. Feel free to revert it though if you don't agree. Cheers. Kumioko (talk) 18:39, 27 July 2012 (UTC) :Was it you? there were only some edits by an anonymous IP. Feel free to redo the edits. -- Magioladitis (talk) 18:48, 27 July 2012 (UTC)
 * Now I see what happened. Thanks for the update! -- Magioladitis (talk) 18:51, 27 July 2012 (UTC)
 * I was about to ask what you were talking about but now I see. How strange some random IP just happened to revert that particular edit right as I did it. I wonder if that was a Cluebot misstep. Oh well, its all good now. Kumioko (talk) 19:04, 27 July 2012 (UTC)
 * Just made a couple more edits to the code. Cheers. Kumioko (talk) 01:27, 30 July 2012 (UTC)

AWB talk page edits
What is the purpose of this edit ? &mdash; Carl (CBM · talk) 12:26, 28 July 2012 (UTC)
 * Something didn't go as expected. I am going to fix the algorithm right now. there is something I nedd your help: you prodiced a list of pages lacking WPBio but I could not fix many of them because the characters of the title were not in Unicode. Can you please send me a new list with proper page titles? -- Magioladitis (talk) 12:28, 28 July 2012 (UTC)
 * I am now skipping page is nothing is removed. -- Magioladitis (talk) 12:29, 28 July 2012 (UTC)

You can see that the á is encoded as two bytes, c3a1, which is what it should be in UTF8, and the ó is c3b3. What exact issue did you have, or what lines of the file were causing problems?
 * I can believe that encoding problems happen, but the file is certainly in UTF8, viz:

Also you have not indicated what the purpose of the edit was. If your goal is to remove "nested=yes" from every talk page, that should go through BRFA, if there are as many of them as I expect there will be. &mdash; Carl (CBM · talk) 12:40, 28 July 2012 (UTC)


 * I have 500 pages in my list from older runs which I want to clear because there were causing problems with both KingbotK plugin and with the custom module I created to fix these problems. I would like to continue the WPBio banner addition.
 * I loaded the list you have provided us with pages lacking WPBio but the pages with Unicode characters where skipped. i'll have to reload the list and I would prfer a new list to avoid double runs. -- Magioladitis (talk) 12:44, 28 July 2012 (UTC)
 * I don't understand. Are you saying you just need to filter out the ones you have already edited? You don't need me to do that. On the other hand, if there is actually an encoding problem, I need to know what lines of the file are causing problems, because the lines I looked at appear to be valid UTF8 - which is what I expect, because I took the data directly from the database without further processing.
 * All ther pages with special characters were not processed. Copy pasting them in AWB didn't work correctly. -- Magioladitis (talk) 12:53, 28 July 2012 (UTC)


 * Meanwhile, the edit summary "using AWB" does not actually tell anyone what your current edits are. Are you saying you are only removing "nested=yes" from 500 pages? &mdash; Carl (CBM · talk) 12:48, 28 July 2012 (UTC)
 * Yes, there is a bug with latest revision with the edit summary and it is not shown. We are probably fixing it today. And yes, I only want to clear my list of nested parameters. I only need ~500 more. I asked someone to tell me how many are in total. Then we can see what we are going to do with the rest. -- Magioladitis (talk) 12:53, 28 July 2012 (UTC)


 * If AWB is unable to leave an edit summary, wouldn't it make more sense to stop using AWB until the edit summary issue is fixed?


 * For the list, there's no easy way to grep for lines that have special characters, and the current toolserver lag will make the database useless for updating the list for about two weeks after the edits are made. The easiest way to get a list of unedited pages is just to make a list of the pages Yobot edited (using api.php) and then filter those out of the big list. &mdash; Carl (CBM · talk) 13:05, 28 July 2012 (UTC)
 * OK I'll try that. Thanks for the advice. I stopped AWB edits from my account until the edit summary is fixed. If the problem presists till tomorrow I'll use the latets AWB version before the edit summary problem appeared. -- Magioladitis (talk) 13:08, 28 July 2012 (UTC)
 * With an error like that I think going back to the last stable version seems reasonable. &mdash; Carl (CBM · talk) 13:13, 28 July 2012 (UTC)
 * @CBM! Come be, be serious. Its really not that big of a deal. Why is it really necessary to cater to you just because you don't like minor edits. Your a great programmer and you know a lot about this stuff but there is no reason to create such as stir about a few minor edits. This is the same kind of nonsense that got Rich desysopped and banned from automation. Its completely ridiculous. Also with the edit summary, we can only make it so specific. Yes using AWB is pretty generic and I agree we should be more specific than that but I have seen you argue this point before and wanted to user to specify every single edit in the history which is unnecessarily difficult and could cause problems with the summary being so long it runs out the character limit on the summary.Kumioko (talk) 13:23, 28 July 2012 (UTC)
 * @Magio, unfortunately I agree with you that you had to stop it. AS I mentioned above this kind of petty argument is exactly what caused Rich to get desysopped and lose his automation privileges. That WP has gotten to the point were they are trying to find reasons why not to make edits to me is absurd but its what we have come too. Sorry for my bluntness but these sorts of petty arguments about minor edits and filling watchlists with edits are getting too common and are a real pet peeve of mine that just aggravates me to no end. I find it especially irritating when its the same half dozen editors who think its their job to be the edit police and are rarely the ones that do actual edits, even though some of them, such as CBM, easily have the skills to do it. IMO, they know in their heads that its impossible to do some of these things without a few glitches and they would rather do nothing and harp at people who do, than to actually try and make the needed edits and make a few mistakes. Kumioko (talk) 13:28, 28 July 2012 (UTC)
 * Kumioko please read the discussion carefully. We don't really disagree with CBM for that. -- Magioladitis (talk) 13:33, 28 July 2012 (UTC)
 * The edit summary problem appeared today and we are going to fix it. -- Magioladitis (talk) 13:34, 28 July 2012 (UTC)
 * Maybe I overreacted a little but the whole hypersenitivity of certain people to minor edits lately has really started to get out of hand and really drives me nuts. Kumioko (talk) 14:13, 28 July 2012 (UTC)

Edit summary bug fixed in. -- Magioladitis (talk) 14:50, 28 July 2012 (UTC)

The page above reported by Carl hasn't been skipped because it contained the word "nested" in the body text! I've taken care of it. -- Magioladitis (talk) 10:02, 29 July 2012 (UTC)

Articles incorrectly tagged by Yobot as WPBio
FYI - I removed the WPBio tag on both these:


 * Jim Rockford (television character)
 * Ol' Rip the Horned Toad

Hope that helps! --Quiet Editor (talk) 11:08, 30 July 2012 (UTC)
 * Thanks! Fictional characters and... toads are likely to be false positives. :) -- Magioladitis (talk) 11:11, 30 July 2012 (UTC)

Agreed! :-) and another - this one really is a bit weird (at least from outside the code)!


 * Carnation (brand)


 * --Quiet Editor (talk) 11:15, 30 July 2012 (UTC)
 * Fixed. Talk:Elbridge Amos Stuart. This page was a redirect and moved the bot to a different page. -- Magioladitis (talk) 11:17, 30 July 2012 (UTC)


 * I'm picking up a few more - just ploughing my way through the list of "Biography articles without living parameter" and pulling out ones that seem to be false positives


 * Arar (city)
 * Centuria Insectorum
 * Charlemagne and church music - this could fall within a biography?
 * Cincinnati Bengals (1937–1941)
 * Cleveland Sight Center
 * Clyde Van Dusen (horse)
 * Crandon, Wisconsin shooting (includes bio of killer, so ????)
 * Hartford Distributors shooting (similar to above)
 * Decimal Computation


 * I need to break for lunch. If reporting these is duplicating work you are already doing,let me know and I'll switch my efforts to other backlogged tasks. --Quiet Editor (talk) 11:38, 30 July 2012 (UTC)
 * Please keep removing false positives caused by redirects with categories. The shootings pages that involve persons are part of WPBio. thanks for the help! -- Magioladitis (talk) 11:43, 30 July 2012 (UTC)


 * OK I also found the following apparent false positives without obvious explanation (wrong category on article page or the like). I've undone them all:


 * Fanny (elephant)
 * Fort Myers Beach, Florida - discussion on talk page of firing of town manager, but not in article
 * MetroTV
 * National Democratic and Labour Party
 * Thanh Hai commune (there was a page move to "disambiguate from Thanh Hai the poet")
 * Tina Hunter (River City) article is a redirect: fictional character on a soap opera


 * I spotted nothing else on the list - but I was just browsing titles and only looked at articles if I was suspiscous, so I amy have missed some. If any of my undos are incorrect please let me know, I'm still relatively new to WP rules. Thanks --Quiet Editor (talk) 13:13, 30 July 2012 (UTC)
 * Thanks. I 've fixed some by myself too. I didn't create the list and I don't exactly have control of how these pages came into my list. Most probably wrong categorisation at some level. -- Magioladitis (talk) 13:20, 30 July 2012 (UTC)

Test page
Could you put the "create" protection back on Test page? I think it's a MediaWiki feature that the protection is cancelled whenever an admin creates the page. -- John of Reading (talk) 06:35, 31 July 2012 (UTC)
 * Done. -- Magioladitis (talk) 07:09, 31 July 2012 (UTC)

Checkwiki for elwiki
Hi, I saw you post on dewiki asking for Checkwiki for elwiki. I answered there.

First, you have to create a project page and a translation page (where you can configure which errors are detected, priorities, ...). After, sk will add elwiki to his script.

If you're interested, I can also configure WPCleaner on elwiki to use the Checkwiki configuration.

--NicoV (talk) 15:38, 31 July 2012 (UTC)
 * Of course I am interested. Where do I create this project page? -- Magioladitis (talk) 15:40, 31 July 2012 (UTC)
 * You need to create them on elwiki. The name of the pages don't matter. The most important page is the translation one. You can take example on enwiki for the translation WikiProject Check Wikipedia/Translation (or on frwiki which is smaller, only needed parameters, fr:Projet:Correction_syntaxique/Traduction). When you have created them, tell sk and myself where they are, and we will each update our tools. --NicoV (talk) 15:59, 31 July 2012 (UTC)
 * I saw that you started to create the pages on elwiki. I have configured WPCleaner to use them (el:Χρήστης:NicoV/WikiCleanerConfiguration), so you can test your configuration with it if you want (on the main window of WPCleaner, there's a circular arrow for reloading the configuration without login in again).
 * For the configuration, don't forget to change the name of all the ..._enwiki parameters to ..._elwiki if you want them to be taken into account by CheckWiki or by WPCleaner. --NicoV (talk) 19:12, 31 July 2012 (UTC)
 * Answer posted on fr:Discussion utilisateur:NicoV. --NicoV (talk) 12:35, 26 August 2012 (UTC)

Question on two Biography articles without living parameter
Working my way through the remaining pages in Category:Biography articles without living parameter I am puzzled by Talk:Bone Mound II and Talk:Bone Stone Graves. If I understand the revision histories correctly you tagged (by hand?) both as WPBio with a comment "fix": since you tagged both by hand I'm reluctant to remove the WPBio. However both refer to archaeological structures so I don't really see that they fall within WP:BIOGRAPHY. Can you enlighten me? --Quiet Editor (talk) 20:34, 31 July 2012 (UTC)
 * I only fixed the unclosed brackets without really checking ig the banner applies for these pages. I think the pages don't fall into the project and the banner must be removed. -- Magioladitis (talk) 22:14, 31 July 2012 (UTC)
 * I removed them. -- Magioladitis (talk) 22:51, 31 July 2012 (UTC)

AWB version
New snapshot (8207) is up. It fixes some of the auto-tagger problems. It's strongly adviced that you use this one. -- Magioladitis (talk) 09:17, 31 July 2012 (UTC)

Time: 9:36:34 PM Message: The remote server returned an error: (500) Internal Server Error. Hmains (talk) 04:42, 1 August 2012 (UTC)
 * after unzipping, this produces an error on my machine when I try to make a shortcut for it: object: UsageStats
 * Perhaps temporary internet connection problem? It unzips fine for me right now. -- Magioladitis (talk) 07:43, 1 August 2012 (UTC)

Yobot false positive
A false positive on a mythological figure: Feng Meng--Quiet Editor (talk) 19:14, 1 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Fixed. -- Magioladitis (talk) 19:20, 1 August 2012 (UTC)

I'm back
Sorry, been away for a bit. I answered your question on my talk page. I answered it at the AWB bugs page. I see you finally got done with adding WP Biography and had some, um, fun conversations on the Yobot's mistagging. Oh joy. Thank you for adding the living tag. Kumioko asked about adding listas on my talk page. Will do the same procedure as before... manually going thru "weird" names and then running mine/your bot to add listas to the normal names. Toolserver has been down since July 2nd due to database replication lag. So, all the new biography articles are not being tagged by MZMcbride's bot. Will need to run Yobot again after the lag disappears. Bgwhite (talk) 07:50, 2 August 2012 (UTC)
 * I am happy to see you back. I worried a bit. Next time leave a note on your page :) I almost finished the living parameter and did the few with needs-persondata. -- Magioladitis (talk) 07:52, 2 August 2012 (UTC)

Talk:Madeleine McCann
Yobot tagged this one with WPBio - I assume because the article page has a "Category:2003 births". However, the article page is a redirect (protected) and consensus is that Madeline is not a notable person, though her disappearance is notable. I would suggest that the cleanest and best way of handling this is to remove both the "birth cat" from the article and the WPBio from the talk page. If you agree could you do this? (The redirect is protected and so I, as a non-admin, can't edit it). Thanks --Quiet Editor (talk) 08:21, 2 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Done. -- Magioladitis (talk) 08:25, 2 August 2012 (UTC)

Yobot creating orphan talk pages
I've found a few of these (I can give you a list if you want, or look at my page moves with the comment "Match article move"), but a good example is Talk:Bill Hedworth (pipemaker) which Yobot created, through the article Bill Hedworth (pipemaker) was a redirect with no categories.

I think the issue is that Yobot works off a cached copy of articles and so doesn't follow subsequent changes. On the Hedworth article User:Tassedethe moved the page to Bill Hedworth on July 9, but Yobot created the Talk page, in the old location, on July 11.

These examples are easily fixed by hand, but it would be good if Yobot could avoid creating them.

Thanks --Quiet Editor (talk) 08:33, 2 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Yes, this is the problem. The list took too long to be fixed due to technical problems and became outdated. -- Magioladitis (talk) 08:44, 2 August 2012 (UTC)
 * There is a solution to this: If everybody helps the backlog won't reach 55,000 pages again. -- Magioladitis (talk) 08:47, 2 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Yet another good reason to keep the backlogs down! Hint taken. :-)  --Quiet Editor (talk) 09:14, 2 August 2012 (UTC)

There are three types of problem that may occur in this procedure: The last problem occurs usually when it takes to long to process a list. For instance, Yobot was blocked for other reason for 3 months and a backlog was created. After it was unblocked I had limited internet access for some time and list was processed slowly. Regular runs reduce the problem. You may consider making your own bot to help :) -- Magioladitis (talk) 11:24, 2 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Code's bug. This is something we can find and fix.
 * Misplaced page in a wrong category. This is fixed by fixing the categorisation of the page.
 * Incomplete move after the list was created. This is fixed by completing the move.

I made a quick guide for tagging. Check User:Yobot. -- Magioladitis (talk) 11:29, 2 August 2012 (UTC)

Need admin help again
Continuing clear out of Bios without living parameter - now under 300. Occasionally I have found a problem that is beyond me. This is one: the article Jos Vantyler (actor) was (sensibly) moved to Jos Vantyler. However, there are two talk pages and they seem to be somewhat tangled up in redirects. I think some admin help is required to straighten out. --Quiet Editor (talk) 15:20, 2 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Fixed. Deleted redirect talk page and fixed article's talk page. You are doing a great job! -- Magioladitis (talk) 17:23, 2 August 2012 (UTC)

Yobot false positive
Savate tagged as Bio; can't see any incorrect categories that would explain it. --Quiet Editor (talk) 08:02, 3 August 2012 (UTC)
 * No idea. Probably came from the list I was given. Tag removed. -- Magioladitis (talk) 08:36, 3 August 2012 (UTC)

Yobot false positives - from category Charlemagne?
There may be others, but I have found Saxon Wars? --Quiet Editor (talk) 08:07, 3 August 2012 (UTC)
 * It wasn't placed in all pages of the category so... I don't know :) Anyway I checked the rest. -- Magioladitis (talk) 08:10, 3 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Planctus de obitu Karoli? --Quiet Editor (talk) 08:33, 3 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Done. -- Magioladitis (talk) 08:35, 3 August 2012 (UTC)

Template talk:Infobox aircraft
Ping, re the above. Chris Cunningham (user:thumperward) (talk) 09:34, 3 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the note. The page was not in my watchlist. I'll have a look. -- Magioladitis (talk) 09:46, 3 August 2012 (UTC)

Next run of Yobot?
Hopefully you'll see another reduction in the count of "Bios without living parameter" when you next run YoBot. I've cleaned up the birth/death/living cats on a good number of the remaining articles, but left it for YoBot to update the talk pages.

I'm done here for the day, but will check back in over the weekend to see how things are going.

Thanks for all your encouragement and for YoBot!

--Quiet Editor (talk) 13:33, 3 August 2012 (UTC)
 * I did a manual run. We are now under 100. I think the best is to fix the rest manually. -- Magioladitis (talk) 14:20, 3 August 2012 (UTC)
 * And at this moment the category is empty.:-) --Quiet Editor (talk) 06:55, 4 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Great job! IMO, one of the most valuable things of this procedure, are the commends you wrote because in the next run I ''ll know better what should I improve and what I should avoid. -- Magioladitis (talk) 07:55, 4 August 2012 (UTC)
 * You're vey welcome. One of my past jobs was as an applications engineer for a software company; so I am very accustomed to supporting programmers by reporting bugs with test cases to help them improve their code.--Quiet Editor (talk) 19:36, 4 August 2012 (UTC)

rev 8207
I started to use rev 8207 but stopped after I saw what General Fixes does to Juva. This is different from the : problem. Hmains (talk) 17:42, 3 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Can you explain? Where is the problem? I can't see it. -- Magioladitis (talk) 17:44, 3 August 2012 (UTC)
 * I did the edit myself. It seems fine. -- Magioladitis (talk) 17:49, 3 August 2012 (UTC)

AWB talk page editing
Hi Magioladitis, I was just wondering why you remove talkheader from article talk pages (such as this one). Callanecc (talk • contribs) talkback (etc) template appreciated. 08:26, 4 August 2012 (UTC)
 * I did it because there is not discussion in the page anyway. Talk header didn't benefit the talk page more. According to its documentation talk header should be put only in pages with high traffic or where it's likely a discussion is developed. -- Magioladitis (talk) 08:39, 4 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Ok no worries thanks, I just don't see the point of removing it. Callanecc (talk • contribs) talkback (etc) template appreciated. 08:54, 4 August 2012 (UTC)
 * No problem. I did it manually and on purpose. -- Magioladitis (talk) 08:58, 4 August 2012 (UTC)

Antonio Diego Voci assessment
Hello, I have noticed that you made some very helpful edits to the Antonio Diego Voci article. I also noticed that you are a part of the wikiproject biography. There is a banner on the Antonio Diego Voci talk page saying that the page should be assessed, and I was wondering if you'd be able to assess the page. A favorable assessment would be most appreciated :) Thank you! Ahjkl67435 (talk) 15:55, 4 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Added C-class. I would like to add B-class but questions raised in talk page. -- Magioladitis (talk) 09:20, 5 August 2012 (UTC)

Misplaced invisible LTR marks
Notable exception: Scrabble letter distributions -- Basilicofresco  (msg) 13:35, 5 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Thanks for letting me know. -- Magioladitis (talk) 14:33, 5 August 2012 (UTC)

I did some
I went ahead and sorted a bunch. I also archived some that were either done, Partially done, or duplicate. Kumioko (talk) 02:26, 6 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Thanks for double checking those FR's I archived. I thought they were done but I guess not. I was also going to suggest. There are quite a few that date back from 2007 - 2009. Could I suggest taking a look at those and see if they still apply. It looks like some have already been done in some form. Kumioko (talk) 16:46, 6 August 2012 (UTC)
 * The ones I revived will probably improved more soon. -- Magioladitis (talk) 16:57, 6 August 2012 (UTC)

AWB
Καλησπέρα! Για δες λίγο την αλλαγή που έκανε εδω, χαλάσαν τα πρότυπα. --Geilamir (talk) 16:21, 6 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Το φτιαξα. Θα φτιάξω και το πρότυπο που θέλει διόρθωση. -- Magioladitis (talk) 16:25, 6 August 2012 (UTC)

Template prefix
Please stop your "fix template prefix" job. It's the epitome of a cosmetic change forbidden by the AWB rules. &mdash; Carl (CBM · talk) 20:51, 7 August 2012 (UTC)
 * OK. I agree is superminor. -- Magioladitis (talk) 20:53, 7 August 2012 (UTC)
 * If you agreed, why did you keep doing it? ? ? At some point, if you continue doing this sort of thing, you will have your AWB access revoked, because the AWB rules directly prohibit using it to do this sort of thing. &mdash; Carl (CBM · talk) 12:26, 9 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Now abandoned. -- Magioladitis (talk) 09:03, 3 September 2012 (UTC)

"Article with false ": checkwiki error fix 2 and/or general fixes using AWB (8235)
I noticed that you recently marked all "Article with false" Check Wikipedia tasks as done after an edit with the summary "checkwiki error fix 2 and/or general fixes using AWB (8235)". However, I have been testing a script I wrote and have already encountered seven articles where correction was not actually made ((208996) 2003 AZ84, 2008 French Open – Boys' Doubles, 2010 (film), 3rd Force Reconnaissance Company, Abortion in Australia, Academic divisions of University of Dhaka and Anwaruddin Muhammed Khan). Michael  An  on  06:51, 8 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Perfect! This is so great. This is exactly what I 've been looking for. I improved the AWB logic a bit with and left a note that the method is imperfect. I wonder if these cases you fixed are common mistakes. -- Magioladitis (talk) 07:15, 8 August 2012 (UTC)
 * We have the following cases:
 * 1 occurrence
 * <BR> Is this actually a mistake?
 * <br?>
 * <br//>
 * <br/r> AWB can now fix this too
 * This can't be fixed automatically. It can also be
 * <br(> -- Magioladitis (talk) 07:23, 8 August 2012 (UTC)
 * I'm glad you like the script. On the technical side of things, I don't think that <BR> is entirely incorrect (although lower case tags are recommended for HTML 4 and required for XHTML). However, to my recollection I only standardised to lower case if there was at least one definitely incorrect line break on the page. I also acknowledge that the regular expression is too permissive at the moment and have therefore only been applying the changes after thoroughly checking checking the diff. (More changes made by the script are listed on my contributions log.) Michael   An  on  07:42, 8 August 2012 (UTC)
 * It's a great script. I updated the AWB code a bit more too at . I am now checking your edits to see if I can find something else that can be done without editor's supervision too. I think you need to leave a message to CHECKWIKI's talk page so that more editors use this tool to fix CHECKWIKI error 2. -- Magioladitis (talk) 08:07, 8 August 2012 (UTC)
 * I've added a note about the script to the Check Wikipedia talk page at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Check Wikipedia. Michael   An  on  17:53, 8 August 2012 (UTC)
 * I've added a note about the script to the Check Wikipedia talk page at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Check Wikipedia. Michael   An  on  17:53, 8 August 2012 (UTC)


 * You might also consider looking for . As far as I know, the construct   is never used in practice, and is somewhat meaningless anyway, since a   tag (as far as I know) does not contain any inner content. Without a matching , an instance of   is probably a typo. — Loadmaster (talk) 16:30, 9 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the advice. AWB already fixes <br.>, <\br>, <br\> and <br./> . I bet the script by Michael Anton fixes even more. -- Magioladitis (talk) 16:57, 9 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Yes my script corrects practically anything that contains "<", "br" and ">" and has no more than three characters between each of the required sections.  will therefore, rightly or wrongly, be converted to   . Is there any legitimate reason to have two or more consecutive break tags? If not, I can easily add removal of them to User:Michael Anon/custombrcorrector.js.  Michael   An  on  18:44, 9 August 2012 (UTC)
 * I can perform a database scan and check whether there are any false positives. -- Magioladitis (talk) 19:09, 9 August 2012 (UTC)

If don't mind scanning, I'd suggest that you first search the database for  - there's no point examining whether a solution will work before checking that the problem actually exists. Michael  An  on  06:38, 10 August 2012 (UTC)
 * I found no matches on  in the database. -- Magioladitis (talk) 07:57, 10 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the scan. Based on your evidence, I'd rather not add removal of consecutive line breaks to User:Michael Anon/custombrcorrector.js for a problem that isn't present on Wikipedia and with a function that may result in false positives. Michael   An  on  11:52, 10 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Yes. I agree. Thanks for leaving a note to the CHECKWIKI project too. -- Magioladitis (talk) 11:54, 10 August 2012 (UTC)
 * That's OK. Michael   An  on  17:10, 10 August 2012 (UTC)

Question about a task
I know that some improvements to AWB were done lately that improve the article content counter function. If I had a list of articles, is it possible to somehow use AWB to determine which articles are less than a certain size? Kumioko (talk) 15:00, 8 August 2012 (UTC)
 * We have some functions inside that count words and characters. Maybe you could use one of them with the custom module? -- Magioladitis (talk) 15:08, 8 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Ok thanks, maybe I'll try that. Any chance that AWB could have a function to skip if an article is or isn't a specified size? Maybe as a skip option. Kumioko (talk) 16:16, 8 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Skip if contains .{2000} Rich Farmbrough, 16:01, 9 August 2012 (UTC).


 * Thanks I'll try that. Kumioko (talk) 18:42, 9 August 2012 (UTC)

Removing date paramters
Please be aware that  parameters are indeed supported by MediaWiki (even if they do not show up visibly in the rendered pages); see for example the response to your edit here. So please be sure of what you're removing before doing so; Wikipedia main pages are not the only place that uses these parameters. — Loadmaster (talk) 17:11, 8 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Just because the software supports the use of the date parameter doesn't mean its relevant to the template. Is there some reason why we need a date parameter on a stub template? What do we gain from it? Kumioko (talk) 17:55, 8 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Where and how the date parameter is used by the stub template? And where is this information stored in the HTML code? -- Magioladitis (talk) 18:22, 8 August 2012 (UTC)
 * In 4 million pages in the English Wikipedia I did a database scan and found 50 pages that had stub with date parameter. In some of this case it was a full date instead of month, year format. Where does the manual of stub or logic-stub mention anything on adding date? Where the Mediawiki mentions date parameter in stubs? -- Magioladitis (talk) 18:29, 8 August 2012 (UTC)
 * This is the HTML output of the page and I see no information coming for date parameter stored:

<a href="/wiki/Special:Categories" title="Special:Categories">Categories</a>: <ul><li><a href="/wiki/Category:Propositional_fallacies" title="Category:Propositional fallacies">Propositional fallacies</a></li><li><a href="/wiki/Category:Logic_stubs" title="Category:Logic stubs">Logic stubs</a></li></ul> Hidden categories: <ul><li><a href="/wiki/Category:Articles_lacking_sources_from_February_2012" title="Category:Articles lacking sources from February 2012">Articles lacking sources from February 2012</a></li><li><a href="/wiki/Category:All_articles_lacking_sources" title="Category:All articles lacking sources">All articles lacking sources</a></li></ul>


 * -- Magioladitis (talk) 18:34, 8 August 2012 (UTC)


 * In case someone asks why I removed them then, the answer is Wikipedia_talk:AutoWikiBrowser/Bugs/Archive_20. They might cause problems. -- Magioladitis (talk) 18:47, 8 August 2012 (UTC)


 * I believe that the date parameter is available (and added by some bots) for the benefit of future editors rather than any use by the wiki software. A future editor might want to know how long a certain problem has persisted before making a decision on what to do about it. For example, if a citation needed template has been present for several months without being replaced by a reference, then the editor might decide to delete the questionable material. JRSpriggs (talk) 05:51, 9 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Date parameter is added to tags that supported. SmackBot or AnomieBot have been doing this task for a while now. AWB provides a full list with all tags that support dated parameters. Stubs don't support it and in fact I performed a database scan to confirm it. At the moment there is only one page that has a stub tag with date parameter. -- Magioladitis (talk) 07:01, 9 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Maybe Loadmaster and CBM got confused too? Dated parameters are just fine for all tags that have a piece of code for them and in most cases a relevant category. The question here is if we add dated parameters on stub tags. The answer is no. -- Magioladitis (talk) 07:07, 9 August 2012 (UTC)
 * The fact that we don't add a date parameter to most stub templates does not mean that such a template is "not supported". Mediawiki allows any parameter to be placed on any template. If a parameter is not directly used by the template code, it will end up having no effect on the rendered page, but it is still visible in the wiki source. If some editors have placed a date on stub templates, that's fine and causes no problems with Mediawiki. I think the idea of putting a date on a stub template, just for humans to see when they edit the article, is actually pretty good. I may start adding it when I mark other pages as stubs.


 * The motivation for removing the dates seems to be an AWB bug. Surely the correct solution to buggy software is to fix the software, rather than editing wiki pages to temporarily remove whatever was causing the software's bugs to happen. AWB needs to be able to handle legal wiki syntax, and part of that syntax is that any template can have any parameters. &mdash; Carl (CBM · talk) 11:40, 9 August 2012 (UTC)


 * Adding parameters to templates which have no effect on cats or the rendered page is a rather useless thing to do. Perhaps a discussion first at the stub project (or a more general venue) to check whether many people actually want to have dated stub tags would be a good first step. Personally, I see no use whatsoever in dating these, there is no reason why older stubs would be more problematic or urgent than newer ones. Articles being a stub is not a problem, contrary to e.g. articles being unsourced. Fram (talk) 12:01, 9 August 2012 (UTC)


 * @Carl: There is a reason he have a talk page for many things. In the past we had editors that were adding comments in the code to give instructions of how to improve the page. Since these comments are invisible there were no help to willing editors and we tried to move these comments on the talk page. something similar is here. Someone could go for example and add dated parameter to navboxes just to remember when this was added to the page, etc. We prefer to avoid these things. On the other issue: One of the concepts of CHECKWIKI, WPCleaner, AWB and other projects, tools, bot and some editors is to keep the code readable, because we want people to be able to read the code and edit it. The visual editor will probably a solution for the future but we are not there yet. On the last issue: We should not expect tools deal with every small weird situation. Take for example false break tags which are discussed in my talk page above: AWB fixes 99% of the cases and Michael Anon created a tool to fix 99.9% of the cases. Still there is always a small percentage that needs human attention.


 * @Fram. I agree with you. Dating stubs is not that popular anyway. As I said I found only 50 pages. We didn't even know they exist till yesterday. -- Magioladitis (talk) 13:03, 9 August 2012 (UTC)

I was under the impression that the  parm was used mainly as documentation (as JRSpriggs says) for other/future editors, to know when a tag was added, and thus how long it has been on the page. Likewise, I assumed (like CBM) that parms that are not explicitly supported by a template are silently ignored, as thus can be added without ill effects. That being said, it is just as meaningful to add an HTML comment after a tag to serve exactly the same purpose: &lt;!--added 2012-08-09--&gt; I've seen many edits where people provided date parms to tags that they added to articles, as well as a fair number of edits where other editors have added date parms to tags that were added by other users. So I assumed that this was standard WP practice. — Loadmaster (talk) 16:19, 9 August 2012 (UTC)
 * No problem. I know it's confusing. We have a lot of unused parameters all over templates anyway. This is the reason I am making some effort to standardise the parameter names so editor's can easily detect anomalies. -- Magioladitis (talk) 17:00, 9 August 2012 (UTC)
 * If we, at some point, decide to add dated parameters to stub tags I can run my bot to add dates to all of them. -- Magioladitis (talk) 00:18, 10 August 2012 (UTC)
 * This was working before I edited it but the code was just crap and the render time was huge. -- Magioladitis (talk) 11:41, 10 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Now there are 3 stub tags with date parameter. All added by CBM after this discussion. -- Magioladitis (talk) 16:40, 10 August 2012 (UTC)

Just noticed this discussion ... as a regular stub-sorter, stubs with date parameters are a pain because there's more to delete when editing the simple stub tag into Brazil-footy-bio-stub or whatever. Pam D  08:21, 2 September 2012 (UTC)
 * Can you please contact User:CBM and tell them. He added them back even after I explained him. -- Magioladitis (talk) 08:30, 2 September 2012 (UTC)

"No footnotes"
Per CITE, parenthetical citations such as "(Kechris 1994:87)" are valid inline citations, just like footnotes. The nofootnotes tag is somewhat misnamed, because it actually says "inline citations", not footnotes, and so articles that use parenthetical referencing rather than footnotes should not be tagged - as long as they use parenthetical referencing they will *never* have footnotes even if they are FAs. &mdash; Carl (CBM · talk) 20:54, 9 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Yes, I noticed. Thanks for letting me know. You are right on that. -- Magioladitis (talk) 20:56, 9 August 2012 (UTC)

AWB
Could you tell me how install AWB? I don't get it yet. <font face="verdana" color="#0000FF">Mrt3366  <font face="century gothic" size="1" color="#0000A0">(Talk?)   07:05, 11 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Download the file. Unzip it to whatever directory you want.  Inside the newly created AWB directory, run 'AutoWikiBrowser'. Bgwhite (talk) 07:16, 11 August 2012 (UTC)
 * We provide install information in AWB. -- Magioladitis (talk) 08:25, 11 August 2012 (UTC)

A cup of tea
Thanks!!! -- Magioladitis (talk) 10:07, 11 August 2012 (UTC)

Wikify
Dear Magioladitis, how do I wikify a page? You said on the page about Yuri Rozhdestvensky that it needs to be wikified. Can you give me some tips? I am new to it. Thanks, Maria — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mariapolski (talk • contribs) 13:14, 11 August 2012 (UTC)
 * First of all try to add wikilinks. -- Magioladitis (talk) 13:49, 11 August 2012 (UTC)

Huh?
Err, why would you bother making this change? DISPLAYTITLE is an invisible magic word, so it's presence or order shouldn't matter. Regards, RJH (talk) 13:19, 11 August 2012 (UTC)
 * I think first we need to add something in the Manual of Style. Something like: Hatnotes should be displayed under DISPLAYTITLE. I 'll have a look. -- Magioladitis (talk) 13:47, 11 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Perhaps the hatnotes just need to be placed at the top of the visible article content. Thanks. Regards, RJH (talk) 14:38, 11 August 2012 (UTC)
 * I don't disagree but we have to make a rule somewhere for that. WP:HATNOTES states that hatnotes should go over the very top of the page. -- Magioladitis (talk) 14:40, 11 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Well, to me at least, "Hatnotes are placed at the very top of the article..." implies graphical positioning rather than placement in the editing stream. I'd like to suggest that you're taking the wording perhaps a little too literally. Regards, RJH (talk) 15:52, 11 August 2012 (UTC)

infobox airline
see this request. Frietjes (talk) 13:46, 11 August 2012 (UTC)
 * I agree. Let's wait how other will respond. -- Magioladitis (talk) 13:48, 11 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Done. -- Magioladitis (talk) 17:49, 14 August 2012 (UTC)

Wikify tag on article Statutes of uncertain date
You recently added a Wikify tag to the article Statutes of uncertain date. When I clicked on the button to "show" the reason it just said "No reason has been cited for the Wikify tag on this article." In the comment you wrote "Break in list (checkwiki 54), added wikify tag using AWB (8246)" I've spent the last half-hour trying to find out what "Break in list" and "checkwiki 54" mean and found nothing, other than that the latter refers to the former. Zyxwv99 (talk) 15:03, 11 August 2012 (UTC)
 * I added a wikilink and removed the wikify tag. Ignore the edit summary since it is wrong. Just FYI: "checkwiki" refers to WP:CHECKWIKI project which finds common syntax errors on pages. 54 refers to error number 54 which is "(unneeded) break in list" but it was already fixed by another editor. Thanks for the report and sorry if you lost half hour for this. -- Magioladitis (talk) 17:00, 11 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Thanks! Zyxwv99 (talk) 03:28, 12 August 2012 (UTC)

ANI
I mentioned you at Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents. Ryan Vesey 21:23, 11 August 2012 (UTC)
 * I replied there. I think Debresser was not aware of the lengthy discussion on the WikiProject. I don't we should use ANI for that. Things are under control. -- Magioladitis (talk) 00:22, 12 August 2012 (UTC)
 * He was aware and had made one comment. I still think he was being disruptive, but ANI might have been overkill. Ryan Vesey 00:23, 12 August 2012 (UTC)
 * He was aware for the last part only as far as I understand. We are discussing changes a year now: Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Wikify/Archive_6 and now I recalled you were active in the disccusion back then too. -- Magioladitis (talk) 00:31, 12 August 2012 (UTC)
 * The entire thing is a difficult issue since editors are not active on the project talk page. I've virtually never gotten more than 2 or 3 people to participate in any discussion.  In this case, I advertised to individual people who might be interested in addition to posting it on the talk page.  The discussion was still minimal.  There's not much more I could have done so it's pretty ridiculous for this editor to come in after the fact, revert my edits without finding support, and base all of his arguments on misunderstandings. Ryan Vesey 00:37, 12 August 2012 (UTC)

AWB bug
Hey Magio. Just noticed this edit where you tagged the article as uncategorised even though it has two cats. Probably worth looking into to make sure it doesn't keep happening. Best, Jenks24 (talk) 07:41, 13 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Hm... let me check this. Thanks! -- Magioladitis (talk) 07:42, 13 August 2012 (UTC)
 * I can't reproduce it! It seems like it failed to grab info on categories due to some network problem. -- Magioladitis (talk) 07:53, 13 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the report. I can't reproduce the bug. I guess for some reason (network? Mediawiki changes?) for a moment AWB was unable to grab correct information from server. -- Magioladitis (talk) 07:55, 13 August 2012 (UTC)

mushussu / mušḫuššu
A previous editor renamed the page mušḫuššu as mushussu as he was probably unaware that š = sh and that ḫ = kh (Scottish “ch”), thus leaving the name misspelled. I tried to revert this change but seem to have been blocked. The page was named mušḫuššu for good reason, as mushkhushshu or mushhushshu is a bit of an eyesore. Mushussu is, however, completely wrong. The naming conventions do not prohibit the use of diacritical marks. How might this be corrected? BigEars42 (talk) 11:40, 13 August 2012 (UTC)
 * I added my opinion in the talk page. Please visit Requested moves to request move. An admininstrator will check your request. -- Magioladitis (talk) 11:46, 13 August 2012 (UTC)

Normalization of default sort title
Three Södermanland runestone article edits on Aug. 13 changed the default sorting to "Sodermanland." Currently this is modifying the order of the stones on "Category:Runestones in Södermanland" but will be Ok if all 60+ articles using the Swedish province in the article's name are eventually changed using the same default sort spelling. Deanlaw (talk) 13:39, 13 August 2012 (UTC)
 * If there are other with special characters please tell me and I'll fix them. -- Magioladitis (talk) 13:40, 13 August 2012 (UTC)
 * I'll fix all right now. Thanks for the tip. -- Magioladitis (talk) 13:43, 13 August 2012 (UTC)
 * The rest couldn't be fixed automatically due to a hidden Unicode character. Fixing... -- Magioladitis (talk) 13:54, 13 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Fixed everything! -- Magioladitis (talk) 13:58, 13 August 2012 (UTC)

Removal of comments from airport articles.
Magioladitis, please stop removing empty comments from airport articles; they are deliberate, as they GREATLY ease editing of the destination tables. Thanks. --Chaswmsday (talk) 16:39, 13 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Hm.... do you find it easier than just empty lines? Mclay1 has asked for this and in fact I also find the page cleaner. I 'll stop removing it from airports till we sort it out. -- Magioladitis (talk) 16:42, 13 August 2012 (UTC)
 * I removed all pages with the word "airport" from my list. -- Magioladitis (talk) 16:59, 13 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Empty lines also change the layout of the table. Slasher-fun (talk) 17:57, 13 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the change, Magioladitis. I was just about to say what Slasher-fun did. I believe I started adding empty comments to airport articles and everyone else picked up on it. I was afraid of having a non-empty comment, since that would just add to the existing density of text in these tables. --Chaswmsday (talk) 18:36, 13 August 2012 (UTC)

Upgrade Rating for Antonio Diego Voci
To Magioladitis

Again thank you for the improvement work you performed on the Antonio Diego Voci biography. Do you have the power to upgrade from “C” class? Following your 4 August entry “C, checking for B fit”, the next day, 5 Aug Rich Farmbrough made a sincere multiple editing efforts; plus more have been made since. The result is it appears the issues editors addressed have been resolved. With continued assistance we hope to reach GA status soon. (By the way, Farmbrough must be British, changed color to colour, traveling to travelling, etc.) Ahjkl67435 (talk) 18:05, 13 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Yes, since he is a native speaker I think the best is to ask him to rate it as class B. He can check syntax better than me. I performed a typo scan and found no errors. -- Magioladitis (talk) 18:31, 13 August 2012 (UTC)

Bot for DEFAULTSORT
I replied on my talk page yesterday, but it just dawned on me... I don't have approval to work on DEFAULTSORT. I see that Yobot 16 had approval to do this. Oh, this is going to open up a can of worms.


 * 1) Was there any special code for Yobot 16?
 * 2) Is Yobot still blocked?
 * 3) Should I open up a BRFA request to fix various CHECKWIKI errors as long as I stay away from the controversial ones that got Yobot in trouble? Bgwhite (talk) 01:50, 14 August 2012 (UTC)


 * 1) No special code. Just general fixes with "RESTRICT DEFAULTSORT addition/modification" disactivated.
 * No, it's not. Waiting for code to improve and trying to distribute job to other people and get more people involved. Yobot catches a lot of attention at the moment. I 've been told to reapply for CHECKWIKI errors separately because previous approval was too generic but nobody could tell me which CHECKWIKI errors not should be fixed automatically.
 * 1) I suggest that you open a BRFA for the two CHECKWIKI errors I proposed for start. This is mainly an extension of your work already. You have worked with fixing Persondata/DEFAULTSORT/listas already and this is a part of this job. -- Magioladitis (talk) 01:55, 14 August 2012 (UTC)


 * Ok. I'm sorry I didn't see your reply at my talk page.  I'll open up a BRFA.  I don't mind doing any other stuff you want to offload from Yobot.  Just looking from the outside when all the Yobot drama was going on, I completely understand why you are wanting to do this.  Bgwhite (talk) 05:04, 14 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Request has been made. Bgwhite (talk) 05:51, 14 August 2012 (UTC)

Empty comments can be functional
Your recent edit, removing empty comments, ignores the utility of empty comments to distinguish   from   except without introducing a space. The difference is the inclusion or exclusion of a closing brace from a template parameter. I would be happy if you could suggest a cleaner/more appropriate may of achieving the same effect. — Quondum☏ 12:59, 14 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Thanks for letting me know. I'll try to think of something. -- Magioladitis (talk) 13:00, 14 August 2012 (UTC)
 * I found something more suitable: . I've edited Zero object (algebra) accordingly. — Quondum☏ 13:31, 14 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Cool! Thanks! -- Magioladitis (talk) 13:32, 14 August 2012 (UTC)

priority parameter
I had a thought... As the vast majority of articles that need priority replacement already had the priority parameter in the banner before being added to the tracking category. Would it be better to go thru articles, remove priority if it is empty or add the appropriate work-group if priority is set. This way, we fix the articles before they ever get added to the tracking category. Bgwhite (talk) 22:53, 14 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Yes, I totally agree but there should be dozens thousands of them. -- Magioladitis (talk) 23:29, 14 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Hehe, reading your response in Carl Sagan mode does wonders. Wonder if it is a good idea to add a tracking category to Template:WikiProject Biography to see how many articles have priority/importance listed?  Then can check for articles in the category, that are footballers and use AWB to add sports-work-group. Bgwhite (talk) 00:23, 15 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Yes this is a good idea. I have ran in specialised categories in the past and added pages in work-groups. Yobot and Kingbotk have been doing that too. I encourage you to start this but be very careful with subcategories. The category structure is awful, there is no formalised rule if we should add inline categories in categories (For example Category:Carl Jung does not have birth/death categoris and this is good but many other have which I disagree). There can be many surprices out there! -- Magioladitis (talk) 07:34, 15 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Actually, I was thinking of something else. Add a tracking category to the WikiProject Banner template that will put all articles that have importance or priority into a category.  Then use something like catscan to create a list from a common category, say footballers.  Load the list into AWB with it adding sports-group.  Adding a tracking category into the template requires an admin. Bgwhite (talk) 08:37, 16 August 2012 (UTC)
 * How are going to track pages with an empty parameter? -- Magioladitis (talk) 08:45, 16 August 2012 (UTC)
 * That I don't know unless there is some coding magic to be done in the template. At least this way we can cleanup the articles that have priority already set. Bgwhite (talk) 08:50, 16 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Aha. We need only those that have priority already set. This is easy I guess. -- Magioladitis (talk) 08:52, 16 August 2012 (UTC)
 * "This is easy"... famous last words. Bgwhite (talk) 08:56, 16 August 2012 (UTC)

LOL. Voila! Category:Biography articles with plain priority parameter -- Magioladitis (talk) 08:57, 16 August 2012 (UTC)


 * To track those banners with a priority parameter (empty or used), you could add:


 * -- WOSlinker (talk) 11:19, 16 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Thanks. I'll start with these that have a value set. -- Magioladitis (talk) 11:24, 16 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Looks like pages with no priority at all are showing up. Bgwhite (talk) 19:15, 16 August 2012 (UTC)
 * WOSlinker fixed it. -- Magioladitis (talk) 19:54, 16 August 2012 (UTC)

Number stabilised to something below 420,000. Yobot can fix categories to reduce a little. -- Magioladitis (talk) 08:00, 17 August 2012 (UTC)

Can the tracking category be split into two? One category that just includes an empty value for parameter. That way Yobot could run on all the talk pages for which priority is empty. Bgwhite (talk) 05:09, 21 August 2012 (UTC)
 * I've split it into two, so there are now two cats. -- WOSlinker (talk) 18:18, 23 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Category:Biography articles with plain priority parameter
 * Category:Biography articles with blank priority parameter


 * Ahhh, perfect. 170,000 with blank priority.  Yobot is going to have a fun time with those.  Thank you WOSlinker.  Bgwhite (talk) 20:32, 23 August 2012 (UTC)
 * The resorting is done. 430,000 blank priority and 40,000 with priority set.  This is a much more workable number. Bgwhite (talk) 02:22, 24 August 2012 (UTC)

Misplaced invisible LTR marks
I would like to add this feature in AutoWikiBroswer. So, can you please tell me: Do you remove this character in en.wiki from every place or just from categories? -- Magioladitis (talk) 22:16, 22 July 2012 (UTC)


 * Hi! I'm removing this characters from categories link, images link and wikilinks. Here are the regex I'm using:

""
 * Basilicofresco (msg) 21:00, 23 July 2012 (UTC)
 * Notable exception: Scrabble letter distributions -- Basilicofresco  (msg) 13:34, 5 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Thanks for this list. -- Magioladitis (talk) 14:34, 5 August 2012 (UTC)

Tense error in Vladimir Putin article
Hello,

Could you please fix a slight error in the article Vladimir Putin? Under the "adventures and image" section, a sentence reads "In late August 2010 Putin shoot darts from a crossbow at a gray whale off Kamchatka Peninsula coast as part of an eco-tracking effort, while balancing on a rubber boat in the sea." It should be "shot" instead of "shoot". Also, although most media outlets say he used a "dart", scientists (mainly the NOAA) would call it a "modified bolt". Cheers! 74.207.139.170 (talk) 22:44, 16 August 2012 (UTC)

You work with AWB right?
I don't really care to go through the bug request process, so I'll leave the note here. AWB is trying to change templates under multiple issues back to the old form (without nested templates). Can this be fixed? Ryan Vesey 05:38, 17 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Magioladitis is on a wikibreak. Leave the bug report on AWB's talk page.  User:GoingBatty is the main person to talk about the tags.  Also, state which version of AWB is doing this. In the edit summary, it's the number in parenthesis at the end.... using AWB (8267) Bgwhite (talk) 05:55, 17 August 2012 (UTC)
 * The way AWB handles Multiple Issues is going to change soon. User:GoingBatty gather information and User:Rjwilmsi will implement it soon. See you in 3 days. -- Magioladitis (talk) 07:50, 17 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Hi Ryan! On August 4, I posted a message at Template talk:Multiple issues inviting people to discuss at Wikipedia talk:AutoWikiBrowser/Feature requests, but didn't receive any response.  GoingBatty (talk) 17:15, 17 August 2012 (UTC)

Response
I apologize for the derp. I have removed the bug template from that page because I simply entered the URL incorrectly in AWB. 75.32.206.46 (talk) 08:22, 20 August 2012 (UTC)
 * OK. It is good that you found the source of the bug. -- Magioladitis (talk) 08:23, 20 August 2012 (UTC)

Yobot automobile edits
I noticed your request (later removed) to check the Yobot automobile edits a bit. I also note some other editors leaving some feedback on Yobot's talk page already, perhaps some of my comments are duplicate of those.

After this edit, the image no longer shows. This may be an infobox error instead of a Yobot problem (the "." in the filename may cause the problem). That edits, and ones like this and this, also remove the caption for the picture. Perhaps this is requested and intentional, otherwise it may need checking.

Here the fourth image is removed by the bot edit, which removes a large part of the filename. This is apparently the same problem as the first one I mentioned: the bot keeps the first few characters after the first "." it encounters, and drops the rest of it. Perhaps it should keep everything until the first "|" or "}" it encounters instead? Fram (talk) 13:25, 20 August 2012 (UTC)

Thanks! I did some last minute changes which proved not to be a good idea. I 'll fix immediately.

The caption is intentionally removed after WP:WikiProject Automobile comments. -- Magioladitis (talk) 13:39, 20 August 2012 (UTC)


 * Allright, I'll ignore the caption removals. If I notice other potential problems, I'll drop a note. Fram (talk) 13:42, 20 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Thanks Fram. Check discussion in Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Automobiles. At the beginning I was of the opinion we should go slower and add captions. -- Magioladitis (talk) 13:44, 20 August 2012 (UTC)


 * Another buggy one here, on Bugatti Veyron. Filename matching regex not being greedy enough? Andy Dingley (talk) 15:25, 20 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Yes, it stops in the first dot. I stopped to fix the regex. -- Magioladitis (talk) 15:41, 20 August 2012 (UTC)
 * I checked my last 1,000 edits out of 1,500 done. -- Magioladitis (talk) 15:49, 20 August 2012 (UTC)
 * I checked them all. -- Magioladitis (talk) 07:04, 30 August 2012 (UTC)

Hi, are you able to please run the bot again to do the user pages in Category:Infobox automobile image param needs updating as well? We may as well get those done too; I doubt anyone will get upset because a) most of those pages are inactive and b) this is the new format standard. Thanks, OSX (talk • contributions) 05:12, 1 September 2012 (UTC)
 * I reduced the number of pages to 52. -- Magioladitis (talk) 08:27, 1 September 2012 (UTC)
 * Should an image2 param be added to the infobox to allow for two images? -- WOSlinker (talk) 13:57, 1 September 2012 (UTC)
 * Better ask the project. Now we have only 25 pages left and I think OSX will take care of them. Your question is more important for Infobox military person. Category:Infobox military person image param needs updating has more than 600 pages left. -- Magioladitis (talk) 14:03, 1 September 2012 (UTC)

Fail

 * LOL. Thanks for fixing. -- Magioladitis (talk) 00:57, 21 August 2012 (UTC)

Yobot request
Is it possible to run Yobot against Database reports/Untagged biographies of living people once a week and/or get a full listing from MZMcBride?
 * User:LaraBot does that. -- Magioladitis (talk) 07:15, 21 August 2012 (UTC)
 * LaraBot can, but doesn't. Articles in the list have been around for awhile.  Can you still do it or should I ask MZMcBride?  If MZ, then I'll wait a few days has he has a op-ed piece in the upcoming signpost. Bgwhite (talk) 07:59, 21 August 2012 (UTC)
 * I can do it but I don't want to do it in daily basis. I am trying to perform less tasks at the moment. I think the best is that this was done by a bot running in the toolserver. -- Magioladitis (talk) 08:01, 21 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Pffft, what you want to sleep? LaraBot is running on a daily basis and catches the majority of new BLP's... I add listas value to them everyday, that is when toolserver is functioning.  It is just that LaraBot isn't running with that category.  Clean out the category then it should be easy to keep the category cleaned out.  I'll ask MZ. Bgwhite (talk) 08:10, 21 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Done! -- Magioladitis (talk) 11:03, 21 August 2012 (UTC)

I also asked another question above in the priority parameter section. Bgwhite (talk) 06:53, 21 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Better ask User:WOSlinker to create the tracking categories and then I can run Yobot. -- Magioladitis (talk) 07:15, 21 August 2012 (UTC)

Categories comment above or below Persondata
I manually moved the comment after Persondata in my AWB. Your following only undid this. I would have thought that was an edit to avoid, even if I was in the wrong. (I also manually added the / to  and I see you've been removing those too... though not in this case.) Mark Hurd (talk) 10:08, 22 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Hm... I did that by mistake. We can just remove this comment anyway. This was an old habit not common anymore. -- Magioladitis (talk) 11:20, 22 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Yeah, removing the comment completely was probably the right thing to do. (I was going to say something about us edit warring, via AWB, over two features where neither is visible to the public...) Mark Hurd (talk) 13:07, 22 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Weird problem solved. :) -- Magioladitis (talk) 13:10, 22 August 2012 (UTC)

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 * Magioladitis (talk) 17:27, 22 August 2012 (UTC)

Yobot edit
Hi Magioladitis. It seems Yobot is still having problems with image filenames containing points (in case you believed you had fixed that):. I have fixed this instance. Regards. DH85868993 (talk) 08:25, 24 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the report. I fixed the rest. I am going to fix it right away. -- Magioladitis (talk) 08:28, 24 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Yobot did another boo-boo: . I have fixed it (note that the image was a redlink anyway). Regards. DH85868993 (talk) 07:52, 25 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Thanks. I forgot to take care of commented out images. -- Magioladitis (talk) 07:53, 25 August 2012 (UTC)

It's having problems with comma as well - see. --Dmitry (talk•contibs) 18:31, 25 August 2012 (UTC)
 * This is with the older code. Anyway, run is now over. -- Magioladitis (talk) 18:38, 25 August 2012 (UTC)

Template:Multiple issues
Hi there. You returned an invocation of Multiple issues to the old format using AWB. Just to tip you off that the template has a new format now. --Stfg (talk) 09:03, 25 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Thanks. AWB's logic is going to be fixed soon I hope. -- Magioladitis (talk) 09:05, 25 August 2012 (UTC)

AWB ideas
Here are two ideas of thought of for features for AWB and I was wondering what you thought. 1st, if there is a section heading that is linked and AWB unlinks it, it should add Main assuming that was the intent of the author. Second, AWB should build in a capability to change all dates to dmy or all dates to mdy for an article. Similar to User:Ohconfucius/script/MOSNUM dates. Ryan Vesey 16:33, 25 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Thanks. I'll have a look. We have a huge list of feature requests. -- Magioladitis (talk) 07:25, 26 August 2012 (UTC)
 * For the second request, maybe start with custom modules to change dates: one for dmy dates, one for mdy dates, etc. GoingBatty (talk) 00:10, 27 August 2012 (UTC)

Question
You said you performed a database scan for <ref name=<ref name. How do you do that? Bgwhite (talk) 16:36, 28 August 2012 (UTC)
 * I download the latest database from WP:DUMP and then I loaded in AWB. Tools->Database scanner. Then I selected: As Database file the one I downloaded, Namespace=Main and Text <ref name=<ref name . -- Magioladitis (talk) 17:01, 28 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Ah thank you. Now I know.  When was the last time you slept?  It seems as if you haven't been off wiki for awhile or you have cloned yourself. Bgwhite (talk) 17:21, 28 August 2012 (UTC)
 * LOL. I don't sleep a lot. That's true. :) I think I am Wikipediholic. -- Magioladitis (talk) 17:30, 28 August 2012 (UTC)

Lua templates
I've been looking at the new Lua templates feature that will eventually make it over to this wiki and have been working on a module that will help for the image params in infoboxes, so that it's easier to work with both bare filenames and fully formatted image links.

See Module:InfoboxImage for the code and Module talk:InfoboxImage for some examples. -- WOSlinker (talk) 21:17, 28 August 2012 (UTC)
 * This looks really good. My aim is that one day all infoboxes will support bare filenames which are less sensitive in vandalism and easier to update. I'll have a closer look at your code tomorrow. -- Magioladitis (talk) 21:29, 28 August 2012 (UTC)

What are you doing?
- What are you doing? You need to stop whatever you are doing and get bot approval for it. &mdash; Carl (CBM · talk) 10:21, 29 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Both of those edits violate the AWB rules of use by making a cosmetic-only change.
 * AWB was intentionally changed to not mess with the capitalization of the first letter of a template, but you are changing them.
 * You have been editing at a rate over 10 edits per minute for the last 45 minutes, which is too fast to claim that you are adequately manually reviewing each edit.
 * I asked User:Bgwhite to make a plan to removing deprecated parameters nested and priority. We face various problems with them. -- Magioladitis (talk) 10:26, 29 August 2012 (UTC)
 * The change in math rating should not happen. I mainly did it to record as a problem and ask User:Kumioko to fix it. -- Magioladitis (talk) 10:27, 29 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Check User_talk:Magioladitis and User_talk:Bgwhite. It was no my intention to make a full run (which is also impossible unless I spend the next months of my life doing it). -- Magioladitis (talk) 10:30, 29 August 2012 (UTC)
 * I commented out the Maths logic so it shouldn't run but I didn't delete it yet so that we have the list of all the project templates that have template redirects in one place.


 * As a note. Since the maths project is one of only 3 out of the 1700+ that don't use the standard WikiProject X naming convention (USRoads and Canada roads are the other 2, someone changed MILHIST a while back) I'm not sure if CBM has a valid argument anymore. At this point its more of an WP:IDONTLIKEIT argument IMO. Kumioko (talk) 11:14, 29 August 2012 (UTC)
 * I thought there was a general consensus at AWB not to change the capitalization of template invocations. That is independent of the name of the template, which - because it is a wikiproject template - is up to the math wikiproject to decide. &mdash; Carl (CBM · talk) 13:22, 29 August 2012 (UTC)
 * In the case of example 1 ok, you got me on that one and we have adjusted the code as necessary to prevent that from being affected in the future. In the case of example #2 no. There are a lot of reasons for standardizing WikiProject templates that we have already explained at length and that the majority of editors accept. Its really the minority at this point (really just one or 2 resistant editors) who insist there is no conensus. Also, that edit removed yes which is a deprecated parameter and no longer needed or used in WikiProject banners. Although you may again disagree with the merits of deleting this parameter, there are solid and explainable reasons why its best to delete these uneeded and or deprecated parameters, which have also been explained numerous times before. Its further preferred to do this things together to minimize the number of edits to the article. Kumioko (talk) 15:36, 29 August 2012 (UTC)

updated articles without WP Biography
Database reports/Untagged biographies of living people was updated yesterday. Could you run your yobot magic on it... as long as you have been a good boy and have gone to bed on time. You don't want to disappoint daddy now :) Bgwhite (talk) 22:04, 29 August 2012 (UTC)
 * OK I'll do. But you have to request this job to be done by your bot too. :) I can tell you which settings to do. What happened to LaraBot? -- Magioladitis (talk) 22:13, 29 August 2012 (UTC)
 * It is not the easiest to get LaraBot to do manual runs at the moment. I'll get a request for my bot.  Also, should I get a request to remove the priority parameter?  I also answered your question on my talk page. Bgwhite (talk) 22:26, 29 August 2012 (UTC)
 * For "priority" the first step is to leave to the WikiProject that will explain what the problem is and why we would like to remove it. -- Magioladitis (talk) 22:28, 29 August 2012 (UTC)

Magioladitis (talk) 22:52, 29 August 2012 (UTC)
 * ✅ Magioladitis (talk) 07:03, 30 August 2012 (UTC)

AWB bug?
Running SVN 8319 just fine. AWB is not removing " ' " character. I want to say I remember AWB removing it in the past. Examples are: École du personnel navigant d'essais et de réception, École secondaire l'Horizon and École Supérieure d'Audiovisuel. Bgwhite (talk) 22:57, 29 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Should this character be removed? We 've been fixing only casing around it and now I removed this part. We haven't be removing it. -- Magioladitis (talk) 23:01, 29 August 2012 (UTC)
 * For a person's name, it should be removed. NAMESORT says only periods and dashes are allowed.  AWB had been removing apostrophes in Polynesian names and French names.  I'm not sure what the rules are on names of places.  Bgwhite (talk) 23:20, 29 August 2012 (UTC)
 * "Punctuation, such as apostrophes and colons (but not hyphens or periods/full stops) should be removed." per WP:MCSTJR. Confirmed. -- Magioladitis (talk) 06:41, 30 August 2012 (UTC)
 * If removing " ' " character is a general rule then we should find out. -- Magioladitis (talk) 06:58, 30 August 2012 (UTC)
 * I think I'll be changing WP:MCSTJR. I carried forward the rule from the old version.
 * Chicago Manual of Style (section 18.62) only has removing the apostrophe on O' names. Example would be Eugene O'Neill ->  DEFAULTSORT:Oneill, Eugene
 * Chicago gives examples in different spots of where they kept the apostrophe.
 * Library Assosication examples for French and Gabon names also leave in the apostrophe.
 * New rule would be, "Only hyphens, apostrophes and periods/full stops punctuation marks should be kept. All other punctuation marks should be removed.  The only exception is for names beginning with O' as the apostrophe should be removed.   For example, Eugene O'Neill is sorted by ". Bgwhite (talk) 07:34, 30 August 2012 (UTC)
 * OK. So you fixed the bug yourself by changing the rules. :D -- Magioladitis (talk) 07:36, 30 August 2012 (UTC)
 * He he... hadn't thought of it that way. Hmmmm, my wife changes the rules on me all the time, so it's my turn to change the rule.  Is it possible to code the O' exception into AWB? Bgwhite (talk) 07:41, 30 August 2012 (UTC)
 * As a first step I would like a short list of example. Like Eugene O'Neill. I need some more of these. -- Magioladitis (talk) 07:43, 30 August 2012 (UTC)
 * And as step 0 I would need you to change the Manual of Style. -- Magioladitis (talk) 07:43, 30 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Egads, demand this and demand that. I already have a wife.  Example list.  Will change MOS my tomorrow or your evening.  Need to finish up my daily routine and unlike you, I need some sleep. Bgwhite (talk) 07:51, 30 August 2012 (UTC)
 * LOL. My demands depend on your needs! Haha. Now I sound more like your wife I guess. -- Magioladitis (talk) 07:52, 30 August 2012 (UTC)


 * You first need to redo the old ones so we know the older bugs were fixed. -- Magioladitis (talk) 23:05, 29 August 2012 (UTC)

I re-ran the test run and updated WP:MCSTJR to include the stuff about apostrophes. Bgwhite (talk) 21:46, 30 August 2012 (UTC)

AWB rev 8319
Anyone who needs AWB rev 8319 please email me and I'll send you a copy. -- Magioladitis (talk) 18:17, 30 August 2012 (UTC)

disambiguation cleanup and AWB
Hallo, twice today you've added stub and other tags to a dab page which had disambiguation cleanup. Is AWB not spotting that these are dab pages? Pam D  19:14, 1 September 2012 (UTC)
 * And here you added orphan to another page with disambiguation cleanup. Pam  D  19:31, 1 September 2012 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the report. I had this problem in mind and I am going to fix it right now. I had to leave home for a reason and I didn't have time to finish my reverts. -- Magioladitis (talk) 23:43, 1 September 2012 (UTC)
 * fixes this problem. -- Magioladitis (talk) 23:44, 1 September 2012 (UTC)
 * Thanks. Pam  D  08:11, 2 September 2012 (UTC)

Minor defaultsort problem
AWB didn't want to add defaultsort to İnlice, Sincik. I guess it didn't recognize İ. Bgwhite (talk) 01:47, 2 September 2012 (UTC)
 * -- Magioladitis (talk) 07:20, 2 September 2012 (UTC)
 * I added it but searching for this character gives my all the Is too. I am not sure this is a standard Unicode character. -- Magioladitis (talk) 07:24, 2 September 2012 (UTC)
 * It is Turkish... Dotted and dotless I. I'm helping Dr. Blofeld update Turkish villages via AWB.  Lots of find and replace type things.  This is how I came across this. Bgwhite (talk) 07:43, 2 September 2012 (UTC)

Passion
hi, it appears https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Passion:_Music_for_The_Last_Temptation_of_Christ&diff=next&oldid=496374705 messed up the numbering in the lower half of the article, care to try reinstating it? cheers, Doceddi (talk) 02:05, 2 September 2012 (UTC)
 * Thanks. I think I fixed it now. Please check. -- Magioladitis (talk) 07:04, 2 September 2012 (UTC)

AWB: Infinite loop
Evening Magioladitis.

After compiling several revisions of AWB (8327/8330) in Visual C# 2010 Express, the program discards whatever edits I attempt and immediately initiates the 'Restarting in...' loop that increases incrementally. Since this infinite loop occurs regardless of whether I actually introduce any changes to the source, I'm uncertain as to an effective workaround. Prior to the recent updates, the alterations I introduced in 5.3.1.0 and 5.3.1.1 didn't occasion a loop.

Unless you're otherwise busy, I'd appreciate some guidance in debugging and resolving the problem. Thanks, Mephistophelian (talk) 18:47, 2 September 2012 (UTC).
 * Does this loop happen if you use our compiled debug version found in http://toolserver.org/~awb/snapshots/ ?
 * No, I don't encounter any difficulties with the 8323 snapshot. While I'd prefer to compile the source, if the loop becomes unavoidable, then I'll resort to this debug version instead.
 * Does this loops happen to a certain page? If yes, which page is this? -- Magioladitis (talk) 18:51, 2 September 2012 (UTC)
 * Since the loop occurs when editing my sandbox, Talk:John Cuthbert (Royal Navy officer), Talk:John Currie (sportsman), and several random pages, I'm assuming that it's a systemic difficulty, but I'll experiment further to confirm. Mephistophelian (talk) 19:14, 2 September 2012 (UTC).
 * Do you have any plugins installed? -- Magioladitis (talk) 19:23, 2 September 2012 (UTC)
 * I've tried compiling the solution with and without the plugins, and I still encounter the loop. Mephistophelian (talk) 19:27, 2 September 2012 (UTC).
 * Following our conversation on IRC, I updated .NET from 3.5 to 4.0 and still encounter the infinite loop. While compiling via SharpDevelop 4.2.2, I encountered a processor mismatch warning and after changing the Target CPU to 'Any processor', the build (8335) finished successfully without additional errors or warnings. Editing the AutoWikiBrowser/Sandbox with the new build still results in the recurrence of the loop. Mephistophelian (talk) 06:09, 3 September 2012 (UTC).

Since you are building it alone, please try something: Put a break point on line 757 of WikiFunctions.API.ApiEdit: var xml = CheckForErrors(result, "edit"); to see what XML the API returns. -- Magioladitis (talk) 14:34, 4 September 2012 (UTC)
 * . While I've resolved the issue, I lack the expertise to investigate it comprehensively. Thanks again for your assistance. Mephistophelian (talk) 09:49, 6 September 2012 (UTC).

importance parameter in WP Biography and AWB overuse
I almost had a heart attack when over 900 articles showed up in Category:Biography articles needing priority parameter replacement today. An editor added "importance" to over 1,100 articles in under two hours. I've left them a message. However, they have done 70,000 edits, mostly with AWB, in two months. Looking at August 29 edits, there are alot of cosmetic edits. I think he needs some help above my pay grade. Bgwhite (talk) 05:57, 3 September 2012 (UTC)
 * I can easily fix them. -- Magioladitis (talk) 08:15, 3 September 2012 (UTC)
 * I left a message to editor's page too. -- Magioladitis (talk) 08:51, 3 September 2012 (UTC)
 * I fixed everything. -- Magioladitis (talk) 08:51, 3 September 2012 (UTC)

AWB rev8323 message
In the past AWB has always prompted me that there's a new version available. That hasn't happened this time, and an explicit 'check for updates' in AWB comes up saying that none are available. (I'm using AWB 5.3.1.0). What's happening? Colonies Chris (talk) 09:18, 3 September 2012 (UTC)
 * There will be a release version too. 5.3.1.2 is a debug version i.e. it keeps in your local drive a profiling.txt which shows the time each function needs to be processed for each article you saved. This will help us in case you need to report a bug. -- Magioladitis (talk) 09:37, 3 September 2012 (UTC)
 * We didn't disactivate 5310 yet because in other projects it works fine. It outdated for the enwiki. -- Magioladitis (talk) 09:37, 3 September 2012 (UTC)

5400 released and 5310 disabled. -- Magioladitis (talk) 14:33, 4 September 2012 (UTC)
 * FYI - when I tried using 5.3.1.2 today I received a message asking me to upgrade, but the AWB updater didn't automatically download the new version. I had to go to the web site to get it.  Same issue when using the 5.3.1.0 SVN a few days ago when 5.3.1.2 was released.  Thanks!  GoingBatty (talk) 17:21, 4 September 2012 (UTC)

Check Wikipedia defaultsort problem.
In DEFAULTSORT missing for titles with special letters, there are articles that are not showing up. Examples are Alanyurt, İscehisar, Alibeyce, Emirdağ, Anayurt, Şuhut, Armutlu, Çay.

Looking at the articles that are in the Check Wikipedia list, only articles that have a special character in the first word shows up. There are no articles that have an ok first word, but a special character in any other word. Is Check Wikipedia's perl script only checking the first word? Bgwhite (talk) 20:22, 3 September 2012 (UTC)
 * No idea. You can make your own database scans ofcourse. You can also ask de:Benutzer_Diskussion:Stefan_Kühn/Check_Wikipedia. -- Magioladitis (talk) 21:36, 3 September 2012 (UTC)
 * I submitted it to Stefan. Looking at the code, the text being checked is defined as:  $testtext = substr ($testtext, 0, 3);    So, it is only checking the first 3 letters for weird characters.   How would I go about doing my own database scan in this case... I have a feeling it is downloading the perl program.  Also, what database dump would I get if I wanted to scan talk pages via AWB. Bgwhite (talk) 22:22, 3 September 2012 (UTC)
 * I have some bad news: You would have to download the BIG hug terribly supersized database dump that has only article space from WP:DUMP. -- Magioladitis (talk) 22:28, 3 September 2012 (UTC)

Disabled AWB
IF your the one who disabled AWB give yourself a ! Regards, Sun Creator(talk) 16:48, 4 September 2012 (UTC)
 * Problem resolved. -- Magioladitis (talk) 11:52, 10 February 2013 (UTC)

The Olive Branch: A Dispute Resolution Newsletter (Issue #1)
Welcome to the first edition of The Olive Branch. This will be a place to semi-regularly update editors active in dispute resolution (DR) about some of the most important issues, advances, and challenges in the area. You were delivered this update because you are active in DR, but if you would prefer not to receive any future mailing, just add your name to this page. In this issue: Read the entire first edition of The Olive Branch -->
 * Background: A brief overview of the DR ecosystem.
 * Research: The most recent DR data
 * Survey results: Highlights from Steven Zhang's April 2012 survey
 * Activity analysis: Where DR happened, broken down by the top DR forums
 * DR Noticeboard comparison: How the newest DR forum has progressed between May and August
 * Discussion update: Checking up on the Wikiquette Assistance close debate
 * Proposal: It's time to close the Geopolitical, ethnic, and religious conflicts noticeboard. Agree or disagree?

--The Olive Branch 19:14, 4 September 2012 (UTC)

Check Wikipedia
When does Check Wikipedia update? Mandarax has been thru updating alot of the DEFAULTSORTs. Add to my cleaning up Turkish town's DEFAULTSORT and it is hard to tell what to do and not do. Bgwhite (talk) 07:34, 5 September 2012 (UTC)
 * After you are done with the current list press "Set all articles as done!" to force list empty. -- Magioladitis (talk) 07:36, 5 September 2012 (UTC)
 * Not what I was asking. Just wondering when it updates the list because if it updates in the next few days, I'll hold off.  A majority are already done and it will be a little easier going thru the list. Bgwhite (talk) 07:45, 5 September 2012 (UTC)
 * I think the best practise is to make your own list from the dump and run the bot for the next days. -- Magioladitis (talk) 07:54, 5 September 2012 (UTC)

AWB sort bug
On Talk:Lillian O’Donnell, AWB wanted to set listas=O’Donnell, Lillian. Bgwhite (talk) 07:43, 5 September 2012 (UTC)
 * Apostrophes? -- Magioladitis (talk) 07:53, 5 September 2012 (UTC)
 * Yes. AWB is doing it correct for DEFAULTSORT, but not listas.  Talk:P. S. O’Hegarty is another one. Bgwhite (talk) 08:04, 5 September 2012 (UTC)
 * With will work fine. DEFAULTSORT was not correct added correctly neither. The autovalue was   -- Magioladitis (talk) 08:06, 5 September 2012 (UTC)
 * Grrr, I swear defaultsort was ok. I just found another one Talk:Lê Thị Lựu.  It does ê ok, but not the ự.  Has been working find for other Vietnamese names.  I want to say it worked fine for defaultsort, but hey, my mind working, world peace breaking out and my wife being nice are somethings that ain't gonna to happen. Bgwhite (talk) 08:17, 5 September 2012 (UTC)
 * for the Vietnamise character. -- Magioladitis (talk) 08:24, 5 September 2012 (UTC)


 * With 8357 the autovalue was
 * With 8358 the autovalue is
 * "Only hyphens, apostrophes and periods/full stops punctuation marks should be kept in sort values." I am not sure we follow this for the other names. Do you have an example where apostrophes should be kept? I am right that I change "’" with "'"? -- Magioladitis (talk) 08:18, 5 September 2012 (UTC)


 * "I am right that I change "’" with "'"?" I'm not sure, but it sounds correct.
 * "Only hyphens, apostrophes and..." See above at User talk:Magioladitis.  AWB currently removes ' from all other names.  In theory, ' should be removed.  In practice, I'm fine with the way AWB currently does things.  It would be a huge pain to change, especially with all those Arabic names. Bgwhite (talk) 08:31, 5 September 2012 (UTC)

Another one Tạ Tỵ. It is having problems with the ỵ or whatever that is. Bgwhite (talk) 07:23, 6 September 2012 (UTC)
 * Magioladitis (talk) 07:46, 6 September 2012 (UTC)

Not removing the | character. See User_talk:Bgwhite. Bgwhite (talk) 22:24, 6 September 2012 (UTC)
 * Too late :) I already left a comment. -- Magioladitis (talk) 22:25, 6 September 2012 (UTC)

Two more: Lê Lựu, the ự. and Čungāx̌, the x̌. Bgwhite (talk) 08:28, 7 September 2012 (UTC)
 * You reported the first one already. for the second one. -- Magioladitis (talk) 18:14, 7 September 2012 (UTC)

Manually fixed this one. -- Magioladitis (talk) 18:21, 7 September 2012 (UTC)

Đỗ Minh Quân, the ỗ. Not sure if this was added because I found this in an older AWB, but Phạm Nguyên Sa, the ạ. In ictu oculi is having fun creating Vietnamese articles, which is why I'm seeing all the fun Vietnamese characters. Bgwhite (talk) 05:42, 15 September 2012 (UTC)
 * Checkmate! Fixes diacritics for all special Vietnamese characters including those with tonal symbols and for letters with circumflex. -- Magioladitis (talk) 08:08, 15 September 2012 (UTC)


 * 1)  More diacritics. Better organised those with caron and macron sign.
 * 2)  More diacritics. Better organised those with acute and grave accent.
 * 3)  More diacritics. Better organised those with umlaut and dot above sign.
 * 4)  Letters with dot sign below. -- Magioladitis (talk) 00:17, 18 September 2012 (UTC)
 * 5)  Letter with palatal hook, removed some duplicates, eng. -- Magioladitis (talk) 11:54, 10 February 2013 (UTC)

bot update
FYI... Check Wikipedia update today.


 * 1) Finished with DEFAULTSORT with blank at first position
 * 2) Finished with DEFAULTSORT with special characters except for special cases.
 * 3) Manually working on DEFAULTSORT missing for titles with special letters.  Most problem articles are one of two cases.  A Turkish city than I need to fix manually for Dr. Blofeld or the page is a redirect.  AWB doesn't place DEFAULTSORT on redirects. Did you know there was the Category:Redirects from titles with diacritics? Grrrr.
 * 4) I requested bot approval to add WikiProject Biography to talk pages. Bgwhite (talk) 21:47, 6 September 2012 (UTC)

This is super good news! -- Magioladitis (talk) 22:18, 6 September 2012 (UTC)

For "3": You have to disactivate "Bypass redirects" from Options pulldown menu. -- Magioladitis (talk) 22:26, 6 September 2012 (UTC)
 * No that wasn't the problem. The problem was to make sure "Bypass redirects" was off in my default settings so I don't forget to disactivate it. Of course it doesn't stop me from doing something else stupid in the future. Bgwhite (talk) 00:27, 7 September 2012 (UTC)

yobot problem?
Bgwhite (talk) 06:33, 8 September 2012 (UTC)
 * 1) I don't think Yobot is setting work-group priority like thus summary says: Leif Andersson, Nils Andersson and Stig Bornhager
 * 2) I haven't had AWB set WikiProjectBannerShell for ages. What special magical thing am I do wrong, again?
 * 3) If talk page has living=yes, but article lists them as dead, they show up in this database report.

I'll just keep adding.... Don't know if this is a bug or a feature request. Bgwhite (talk) 08:03, 8 September 2012 (UTC)
 * 1) When AWB adds WikiProject Biography and there already is a Talk header on the page, AWB adds WP Biography above the Talk header.  Is there some way to add it below the Talk header?
 * 2) When there is WPBS and a WP Biography with living=yes, could AWB add blp=yes to WPBS?


 * Edit summary: The correct edit summary should be "Removed empty priority parameter". The code is here: User:Yobot/Task 17
 * The correct use of the whole thing is the following, until we make a new plugin for AWB,
 * Merge scripts: User:Yobot/Task 17 and User:Magioladitis/WikiProjects
 * Turn general fixes on
 * I'm currently using both scripts with general fixes on. Bgwhite (talk) 21:56, 8 September 2012 (UTC)
 * WPBS is added only when templates of the form "WikiProject..." are found. General fixes will move Talk header on the top and adde yes to WPBS.
 * Most probably the Plugin++ was severe problems. -- Magioladitis (talk) 08:23, 8 September 2012 (UTC)
 * Ok, so if I have this right... I cannot move Talk header on top, add BLP=yes and add WPBS because of problems with Plugin++? Bgwhite (talk) 21:56, 8 September 2012 (UTC)

Another one... Mušḫuššu, it be the ḫ. Bgwhite (talk) 21:56, 8 September 2012 (UTC)
 * Fixed -- Magioladitis (talk) 22:21, 8 September 2012 (UTC)
 * I added some more with -- Magioladitis (talk) 22:29, 8 September 2012 (UTC)

Victor Turner (civil servant)
Hello, I came across this article about my wife's great uncle and sadly discovered that there are errors in it. All the information I have on him is on my own website at http://adamantane.madasafish.com/TurnerAC.html. I left some feedback on the wikipedia page but this has now disappeared. I emailed Aminullah Chaudry, the author of the book "Political Administrators: The History of the Civil Service in Pakistan" to try to discover if the incorrect information came from his book but so far I have not received a reply. I was going to edit the page but I doubt that I can cope with the complexity of the footnote coding to be able to do this successfully. Please would you put me in touch with someone who will correct the personal information to what the family knows is correct? We owe it to his memory that he should be properly honoured in wikipedia. Adamantan2ol (talk) 09:12, 8 September 2012 (UTC)
 * Your feedback may be at the Article Feedback page. You may want to post a note at Talk:Victor Turner (civil servant), or take a shot at adding footnotes by just using with your website or other source in the middle.  Good luck!  GoingBatty (talk) 01:20, 9 September 2012 (UTC)

Thank you for your response and encouragement. That is my feedback you have found, though I cannot now access it from the article and its talk pages. This feedback should be removed because I shall be bold and tackle the article myself now, having practiced in the sandbox.Adamantan2ol (talk) 08:19, 10 September 2012 (UTC)
 * If you have Victor Turner (civil servant) on your watchlist, you could use the link at the top of your watchlist that says "Feedback from my watched pages »" to see the feedback. I agree that it's hard to find.  I'm marked the feedback as resolved for you.  Happy editing!  GoingBatty (talk) 16:32, 10 September 2012 (UTC)

I mentioned your evil name
Could you take a look at Bots/Requests for approval/Ryan Vesey Bot 3. Bgwhite (talk) 22:30, 8 September 2012 (UTC)
 * Oh no! LOL -- Magioladitis (talk) 22:31, 8 September 2012 (UTC)
 * Done. Thanks for the head up! -- Magioladitis (talk) 22:36, 8 September 2012 (UTC)

listas and AWB
First off, you scared me with a blank talk page. Have you thought about adding Miszabot to your talk page so it automatically archives your take pages?

More importantly, I cannot get AWB to not add listas when adding WP Biography. I've done a reset of my settings and module loaded, but it still adds listas. What incredibly stupid thing am I doing? Bgwhite (talk) 22:54, 8 September 2012 (UTC)
 * Are you using the Plugin++? Plugin++ always adds listas if missing in manual mode. Why you don't want to add listas? -- Magioladitis (talk) 22:56, 8 September 2012 (UTC)
 * I'm using KingbotK. I'm just adding WikiProject Biography to talk pages that don't have it.  It is for Bots/Requests_for_approval/BG19bot_5. Bgwhite (talk) 23:14, 8 September 2012 (UTC)
 * Let me understand. Are you having problems with listas in bot mode? Is it still added in bot mode? Do you get false keys? (I don't mean with a bot account but in bot mode. When autosave is on listas should not be added).-- Magioladitis (talk) 23:17, 8 September 2012 (UTC)
 * Ah, ok. I was not in bot mode.  I running manually to make sure I had all my settings correct.  See, I was doing something incredibly stupid. Bgwhite (talk) 23:34, 8 September 2012 (UTC)
 * Run your first 5-10 edits with Delay 8-10 second to check if the edits are right in bot mode. Then you can change Delay to 0 to run faster. -- Magioladitis (talk) 23:38, 8 September 2012 (UTC)

AWB bot
Could you take a look at Bots/Requests for approval/Italic title bot. Read the request and clarifying what AWB can do and can't would be nice (since some users are not familiar with AWB). -- Cheers, <span title="Shoot!" style="font-family: Mono; font-weight: bold; cursor: crosshair;"> Riley Huntley talk  20:31, 9 September 2012 (UTC)
 * Thanks for taking a look! Would you be able to join the AWB IRC channel? -- Cheers, <span title="Shoot!" style="font-family: Mono; font-weight: bold; cursor: crosshair;"> Riley Huntley talk  00:03, 10 September 2012 (UTC)
 * I am about to sleep. Tomorrow. -- Magioladitis (talk) 00:12, 10 September 2012 (UTC)

Bot approved and now runs in... python. I never entered IRC though :( -- Magioladitis (talk) 22:09, 22 January 2013 (UTC)

What am I doing wrong
I cannot get AWB to add WPBS to Talk:Günter Lörke and add WP Biography below the talk header in Talk:George S. Klein when I have the WikiProject module running. What in the world am I doing wrong? Bgwhite (talk) 08:39, 12 September 2012 (UTC)
 * . Maybe you don't have general fixes on? -- Magioladitis (talk) 08:42, 12 September 2012 (UTC)
 * I am a confirmed idiot. Bgwhite (talk) 08:46, 12 September 2012 (UTC)
 * In the past I had this kind of problems and it took more time to solve them. This is the reason I am working in simplifying the plugin and try to make a "do-all-edits-in-one-single-tool". -- Magioladitis (talk) 08:48, 12 September 2012 (UTC)

AWB query
Hello, and sorry to bother you, but I was wondering what this edit to Jonathan Spector was for? I thought we weren't meant to use AWB just for adding or removing whitespace or blank lines if the changes don't affect what the reader sees? cheers, Struway2 (talk) 08:53, 12 September 2012 (UTC)
 * AWB failed to fix an unbalanced bracket. Check that I did some similar cases to record them. I just reported an AWB bug on this direction. All pages I am editing have an unbalanced brackets and I am trying to improve AWB's logic to fix more of them. -- Magioladitis (talk) 08:55, 12 September 2012 (UTC)
 * I believe you, but I don't see an unbalanced bracket in that page. And your next edit to that page changed 2 apparently well-formed hand-coded citations with US date format, as used consistently throughout the article, to cite-web-family templates with yyyy-mm-dd dates. Not sure why you'd be doing that, either? at least, if it's testing, not without an explanatory edit summary at the time and undoing after... cheers, Struway2 (talk) 09:35, 12 September 2012 (UTC)
 * I am not sure but I think cite-web is adviced against the other method. I also didn't find the unbalanced bracket and I though it was due to the quotes or something. I am not sure about the ISO dates rules but I've seen they are used more than US/UK date system for references. Feel free to fix them. I spent some time to check the Manual of Style but I got more confused. -- Magioladitis (talk) 09:40, 12 September 2012 (UTC)

Perhaps your list's out of date. There were 2 citations with unbalanced brackets, until about 24 hours ago when I fixed them: currently refs #10 and #22. Though the ones you changed were current #22 and #26. cheers, Struway2 (talk) 09:43, 12 September 2012 (UTC)
 * Thanks! -- Magioladitis (talk) 09:44, 12 September 2012 (UTC)

You are still making trivial edits.  Spinning Spark  15:16, 12 September 2012 (UTC)
 * Fixed. Thanks! -- Magioladitis (talk) 17:30, 12 September 2012 (UTC)

While we are on the subject, what's the point of this edit? Mentoz86 (talk) 15:00, 13 September 2012 (UTC)
 * There is a rule that if there are more than 3 wikiprojects to add WPBS. I have to admit that the purpose of the edit was to remove priority which has been done by another editor 20 minutes earlier. Same problem as above. Now fixed because this editors stopped editing the same list with me and I updated the list after their edits. -- Magioladitis (talk) 09:15, 14 September 2012 (UTC)

Somebody is talking about you behind your back
Bots/Requests for approval/BG19bot 6

Should I request any more Check Wikipedia tasks on our march to world domination? Bgwhite (talk) 23:04, 12 September 2012 (UTC)
 * Of course! I can't wait. We can be Batman and Robin. -- Magioladitis (talk) 23:06, 12 September 2012 (UTC)


 * So, I pick the first 10 names out of Category:Biography articles with blank priority parameter (they start with the letter B) to run the test on the bot. Something is weird, none of these names have a blank priority.  What is going on?  I panic wondering if the category is filled with bogus names.  Noooo, Yobot ran thru the names 4 minutes earlier.  Crap, you are in a different continent, which means I can't strangle you.  Bgwhite (talk) 09:00, 13 September 2012 (UTC)
 * Ooops. I am too fast. :D Try going to letter.... X LOL. -- Magioladitis (talk) 09:11, 13 September 2012 (UTC)


 * Bot was approved. I too have joined in the fun and frivolity of removing the priority parameter.  It looks like you are doing a random list, so I started out with the letter C.


 * Person was using an older AWB, but it didn't like Phạm Nguyên Sa. The ê was fixed in a newer version, but I'm not sure about ạ.  Bgwhite (talk) 21:13, 14 September 2012 (UTC)

I fixed all of them. Task was approved. -- Magioladitis (talk) 00:19, 18 September 2012 (UTC)

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Yobot added extra blank lines
Hi. I checked out a few of Yobot's many edits which showed up on my watchlist, and saw that extra blank lines were added. Examples: Talk:Maximilien Luce, Talk:Max Ernst, Talk:Joseph Stella. M AN d ARAX •  XAЯA b ИA M  08:54, 14 September 2012 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the heads up. I have no clue why this happens. I've never encountered something like this. In one of the cases I see that also no header was added. I'll try to find out. -- Magioladitis (talk) 09:07, 14 September 2012 (UTC)
 * How often does this happen? Any clue? -- Magioladitis (talk) 09:12, 14 September 2012 (UTC)
 * Sorry, but I have no idea. I usually assume that there won't be problems with Yobot's edits, so I rarely look at them, but there were just so many on my watchlist recently that I took a look at a few. (At first I thought it was adding one blank line for every WikiProject, but then I saw that this didn't apply to the Max Ernst page above.) M AN d ARAX  •  XAЯA b ИA M  09:43, 14 September 2012 (UTC)
 * Something in logic when WPBS is added and comments exist. No very common but I 'll try to find a solution. -- Magioladitis (talk) 10:10, 14 September 2012 (UTC)

I might want to take a look to this one too. -- Magioladitis (talk) 14:56, 14 September 2012 (UTC)
 * Does it help to gather more examples? Yobot just added five blank lines to Talk:Robert Delaunay, but I won't bother reporting any more unless you say it may help to resolve the issue. M AN d ARAX  •  XAЯA b ИA M  21:12, 14 September 2012 (UTC)
 * Thanks. Now it's clear. No WPBS and no header. -- Magioladitis (talk) 21:40, 14 September 2012 (UTC)

✅ Rjw fixed the bug in. -- Magioladitis (talk) 12:01, 27 October 2012 (UTC)

Yobot request
Does Yobot have permission to fiddle with Defaultsort or does BG19bot 4 have permission in this case? I've got a list of 3,000 names that contain no space after the comma. For example: DEFAULSTORT:Doe,John. There will be more names, but I only searched for two word names. I'm enjoying the database scanner on AWB that you *forced* upon me. I download the BIG database and fixed some problems on talk pages I came across during BG19bot 6's test run. Bgwhite (talk) 08:26, 15 September 2012 (UTC)
 * Bot bots can do that. Both Batman and Robin can catch the bad guys. -- Magioladitis (talk) 08:32, 15 September 2012 (UTC)
 * Thanks for doing them! -- Magioladitis (talk) 00:13, 18 September 2012 (UTC)

Request
I'd appreciate it if you quit swapping out WPMED when you clean up talk pages with AWB. Like MILHIST, the abbreviated version is used on the clear majority of pages. WhatamIdoing (talk) 16:40, 16 September 2012 (UTC)
 * MILHIST said is OK that if we, I and some editors convert to the "WikiProject..." version. I can skip the WPMED but in general uniformatation has benefits. -- Magioladitis (talk) 16:42, 16 September 2012 (UTC)
 * I also agree that as long as we aren't just changing the template, I think its fine to keep doing it. There are a lot of benefits to standardizing the naming of the templates as you know. Kumioko (talk) 18:28, 16 September 2012 (UTC)


 * Kumioko and I have had long discussions about the benefits and costs associated with standardization. Kumioko remains unconvinced of the costs; I remain unconvinced of the benefits.  I request that you skip this one (one, meaning WPMED.  I don't care what you do with the other variants, like WP Medicine).  WhatamIdoing (talk) 20:35, 16 September 2012 (UTC)
 * Although I still think we need to just run a bot and standardize them and be done with it, arguments of that aside, as long as the edits are done along with other edits and not alone, there is no added cost. Kumioko (talk) 22:42, 16 September 2012 (UTC)

Add page?
Hey, Magioladitis, was this page a mistake? I tagged it with G2 under that assumption. Writ Keeper &#9863;&#9812; 18:40, 17 September 2012 (UTC)
 * It's for testing reason. We check wheter AWB can recreate salted pages. -- Magioladitis (talk) 18:41, 17 September 2012 (UTC)
 * Oh. Sorry! Writ Keeper &#9863;&#9812; 18:45, 17 September 2012 (UTC)
 * My mistake that I didn't say anything in the edit summary. -- Magioladitis (talk) 18:52, 17 September 2012 (UTC)
 * I deleted it after the test and restored salt. -- Magioladitis (talk)

Yobot freaked out a little
Here. It looks like a one-off error that hasn't been repeated, so I'm posting here rather than User talk:Yobot, so the bot isn't stopped. --Floquenbeam (talk) 23:38, 17 September 2012 (UTC)
 * It was caused by edit conflict. I 've seen this while happening. Thanks for the report. Mess now reverted. -- Magioladitis (talk) 00:11, 18 September 2012 (UTC)

It's not cleared out.
Talk:Barrie Vagg, Talk:Billy Payne (footballer) and others. They still have priority, they have the category listed at the bottom of the page, but the names don't show up in the category. Strange. Bgwhite (talk) 23:49, 17 September 2012 (UTC)
 * The Return of the Living Dead! I am fixing them tomorrow. Time to sleep. -- Magioladitis (talk) 00:12, 18 September 2012 (UTC)
 * Fixed these and more. -- Magioladitis (talk) 12:02, 27 October 2012 (UTC)

At bottom of talk page
(Copyrighted image removed ) Bgwhite (talk) 08:27, 18 September 2012 (UTC)

CHEWIKI for elwiki
Can you help in activating el:Βικιπαίδεια:WikiProject Check Wikipedia/Μετάφραση for CHECKWIKI? At start as a test case. -- Magioladitis (d) 26 août 2012 à 10:59 (CEST)
 * Hi, do you still need help for CHECKWIKI on elwiki ? Since you have a first version for the CHECKWIKI configuration, I think you should ask sk to activate his script for elwiki, giving him the link to the translation page and the project page. You would start having list of pages in a few days (it can take some time) and then check that the detections are ok for elwiki. In the same start checking articles with WPCleaner. --NicoV (talk) 14:04, 18 September 2012 (UTC)
 * I left a message. I can't be bothered to complete the translation. I was hoping for help for other Greek editors. -- Magioladitis (talk) 14:14, 18 September 2012 (UTC)
 * I understand, I hope you will find more help now that the toolserver has made its first run on elwiki. --NicoV (talk) 13:05, 21 September 2012 (UTC)

Broken table
Hi, with Yobot added an unnecessary heading inside a table, which broke the page layout. Looks like it's been going on for. -- Red rose64 (talk) 19:22, 20 September 2012 (UTC)
 * Thanks. I am going to have a look. -- Magioladitis (talk) 22:10, 20 September 2012 (UTC)
 * Altogether I found 24 - [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Contributions&dir=prev&offset=20120920161615&limit=24&contribs=user&target=Redrose64&namespace=1 these are the ones that I fixed] but two or three of those were not Yobot edits. -- Red rose64 (talk) 23:46, 20 September 2012 (UTC)
 * I asked for help. Bot_requests. -- Magioladitis (talk) 06:41, 21 September 2012 (UTC)

Now is in Bot_requests/Archive_50. I don't know if this ever finished! -- Magioladitis (talk) 22:12, 22 January 2013 (UTC)

Mounif Nehmeh revision
Hi Magioladitis!

I've been looking into the orphan note you left at the page Mounif Nehmeh and added the page at List of Lebanese people. What I'd love to know from you is if that was enough for starters and if not, if you had suggestions for me where to look. Whatever you can give me, it's much appreciated!

Greetings, Glavcos (talk) 11:37, 21 September 2012 (UTC)
 * I removed the tag. You still need to add wikilinks to this page in 1-2 pages to ensure that people read it. Happy editing! -- Magioladitis (talk) 11:59, 21 September 2012 (UTC)


 * Thank you very very much, especially for the info box! I'll see to some more links as soon as I have time to search and find suitable pages. Glavcos (talk) 16:33, 21 September 2012 (UTC)

Thank you
Thank you very much! I really appreciate it! -- Magioladitis (talk) 00:53, 22 September 2012 (UTC)

Custom module
Can you take a look at Bots/Requests for approval/Ryan Vesey Bot 3? I'm having an issue with the custom module. Ryan Vesey 15:28, 22 September 2012 (UTC)
 * Magio, if bots are going to use User:Magioladitis/WikiProjects I recommend we remove the sections removing parameters and just leave the WikiProject Banner normalization logic. What do you think? Kumioko (talk) 15:55, 22 September 2012 (UTC)
 * What parameters get removed? Ryan Vesey 16:01, 22 September 2012 (UTC)
 * Just Deprecarted, unused and unneeded ones within the WikiProject banners like taskforce's and the like that are =no or with no Yes/No set at all. If you look at the User:Magioladitis/WikiProjects page I recommend removing everything below //Delete some general WikiProject parameters if = no. The exception might be the last couple groups where it fixes some typos and problems with parmater names. In order to use those though you would need to get that added to your bot request and its not really worth the effort IMO. It only affects a small percentage of pages, like less than 1%. Kumioko (talk) 16:11, 22 September 2012 (UTC)
 * IMO, we can add leave it as if. Ryan, I added some comments on the page above. -- Magioladitis (talk) 16:33, 22 September 2012 (UTC)

Is that really intended?
I think this edit has removed the rating by the WikiProject. Was that really intended or just a problem with AWB. Thank you<font style="text-shadow:gray 0.2em 0.3em 0.2em">···V ani s che nu「m/Talk」 04:40, 23 September 2012 (UTC)
 * This is a glitch to the code. Thanks for the report. I'll fix it. -- Magioladitis (talk) 07:52, 23 September 2012 (UTC)
 * ✅ I fixed them all.
 * Found 51 pages with |importance=lowimagedetailsunref= . All in WikiProject Engineering.
 * Found 168 pages with |importance=imagedetailsunref=.
 * Found 5 pages with |importance=midimagedetailsunref= . All in WikiProject Genetics.
 * Found 1 page with |importance=topimagedetailsunref=.
 * Found 2 pages with |importance=highimagedetailsunref= . All in WikiProject Genetics.
 * Magioladitis (talk) 08:41, 23 September 2012 (UTC)


 * Thank you<font style="text-shadow:gray 0.2em 0.3em 0.2em">···V ani s che nu「m/Talk」 08:55, 23 September 2012 (UTC)

I also fixed the logic in the code so it shouldn't happen again. Kumioko (talk) 14:12, 23 September 2012 (UTC)
 * Yobot did the same here. I do not know if this happens again. And sorry for reporting this very late.<font style="text-shadow:gray 0.2em 0.3em 0.2em">···V ani s che nu「m/Talk」 08:23, 11 October 2012 (UTC)
 * Fixed the 13 cases with =imagedetailsunref= . -- Magioladitis (talk) 09:34, 11 October 2012 (UTC)
 * Thanks you, again. Asking out of curiosity, how can we search for =imagedetailsunref= etc.?<font style="text-shadow:gray 0.2em 0.3em 0.2em">···V ani s che nu「m/Talk」 11:48, 11 October 2012 (UTC)
 * I just used wiki's search. And believe me wiki's search sucks. -- Magioladitis (talk) 11:58, 11 October 2012 (UTC)
 * <font style="text-shadow:gray 0.2em 0.3em 0.2em">·V ani s che nu「m/Talk」 18:54, 12 October 2012 (UTC)

Thank you for your efforts on Guyana request
Thank you for your efforts on my Guyana talk page request. The 'bot is doing a good change, much needed, but there should also be |importance=low as one of the parameters. The change will put the articles in both South America and Guyana projects, but it will leave the South America entries without an importance. --DThomsen8 (talk) 00:12, 25 September 2012 (UTC)
 * Yes, noticed. Many were categories with no importance. The remaining 100 pages will be done correctly. Someone needs to go back and readd importance using AWB. -- Magioladitis (talk) 00:14, 25 September 2012 (UTC)

The module I used. For future reference:

-- Magioladitis (talk) 00:18, 25 September 2012 (UTC)

✅ -- Magioladitis (talk) 00:24, 25 September 2012 (UTC)

CheckWikipedia oddity
Why are articles such as 2013 Kenyan Women's Premier League showing up in "The title has a special letter and in the article there is no DEFAULTSORT" I hadn't seen titles with ' show up before, atleast that I can remember. Bgwhite (talk) 07:02, 25 September 2012 (UTC)
 * Better leave a comment at de:Benutzer_Diskussion:Stefan_Kühn/Check_Wikipedia. -- Magioladitis (talk) 11:06, 25 September 2012 (UTC)
 * I left a comment right after yours. Thank you.  Bgwhite (talk) 17:54, 25 September 2012 (UTC)

Infobox discussions
I nominated several infoboxes for discussion, on September 22, 23 and 24. Your wise counsel would, as always, be welcome. Andy Mabbett ( Pigsonthewing ); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 09:27, 25 September 2012 (UTC)

CheckWiki bot
Anything special I should add or not add on requesting a CheckWikibot? Any of the ids that AWB can do, but are controversial? Bgwhite (talk) 21:51, 26 September 2012 (UTC)
 * The list of what can be done and what can't be done can be found here: User:Magioladitis/AWB_and_CHECKWIKI. -- Magioladitis (talk) 22:10, 26 September 2012 (UTC)
 * I think the advice is instead of trying to do all the errors together, load one error per time or make groups (interwiki fixes together etc) and add skip conditions for this error (or this group of errors) by using custom modules. I did that for error 61: User:Yobot/Error 61. Maybe you could help so we make some more.
 * Running manually for a short period helped me to find 2 bugs and make 2 feature requests on duplicated interwikis.
 * User:Michael Anon has a script doing fine with error #2. AWB fixes 90% of the cases.
 * User:Frescobot does some of the errors (#64 is one of them) but its owner doesn't remove them from the list. -- Magioladitis (talk) 23:42, 26 September 2012 (UTC)
 * When I have a short amount of time and I can't stand to see another listas or talk page, I've manually run some errors. I recently found a bug with "Headlines end with colon" that was fixed.
 * Been doing error #26, "HTML text style element  (bold text)". Some pages have been in there for upto 2 years. AWB will only do a <b> pair.  I've got a little regex that turns any  or  into ' ' ' .  Not sure if it is a good idea to add that little regex into AWB. Bgwhite (talk) 00:01, 27 September 2012 (UTC)
 * You can of course ask for a bot task for some of them.
 * Replacing unclosed tags can always be an unpleasant surprice.
 * I had in mind to add some more support for CHECKWIKI in AWB. Any feedback will be useful. -- Magioladitis (talk) 00:05, 27 September 2012 (UTC)

You could start with "Headlines fixes" (errors #57 and #44, semimanually: #8, #19, manually: #49). -- Magioladitis (talk) 06:49, 27 September 2012 (UTC)
 * I did do #57 and #44 semi-manually as that is how I spotted some AWB errors. I'll do the other three after I get done with #26. Bgwhite (talk) 06:58, 27 September 2012 (UTC)


 * Requested under Bots/Requests for approval/BG19bot 7 Bgwhite (talk) 07:26, 27 September 2012 (UTC)
 * I left a comment there. -- Magioladitis (talk) 11:59, 28 September 2012 (UTC)

User:Magioladitis/AWB and CHECKWIKI‎ updated to show the specific function used to fix each error. -- Magioladitis (talk) 13:48, 28 September 2012 (UTC)

Date problem
Hi, just spotted this edit which left an invalid date, year at start & end. I have fixed, changed to day first format as well as the reference dates appear to be day first. Keith D (talk) 18:19, 27 September 2012 (UTC)
 * Thanks. I'll report this on AWB's bug page. -- Magioladitis (talk) 18:39, 27 September 2012 (UTC)
 * fixes it. -- Magioladitis (talk) 08:03, 29 September 2012 (UTC)

minor Yobot17 module hiccup
I've run into a minor hiccup with the Yobot17 module. This started with AWB 8414. The lines are:

The code removes a newline character, so the listas is no longer on a separate line. It comes out looking like:

Bgwhite (talk) 05:45, 28 September 2012 (UTC)

Since you always set the parameter then you should not remove it. Ofcourse it won't go at the bottom but the best solution is to only Set and not Remove. -- Magioladitis (talk) 17:13, 5 October 2012 (UTC)

AWB bug on a checkwiki?
This relates to id #54 on removing  from lists. Common thread is that all the br symbols are in external links. Example pages are: Alexander Barrass, C M Leumane, and Cecil Pitt. Bgwhite (talk) 07:49, 28 September 2012 (UTC) . I'll try to fix this. -- Magioladitis (talk) 07:53, 28 September 2012 (UTC)
 * It only removes  but not
 * SyntaxRegexListRowBrTag needs to be updated. -- 07:59, 28 September 2012 (UTC)
 * Fixed . Very nice catch! -- Magioladitis (talk) 11:46, 28 September 2012 (UTC)

Yobot issue
HI

Just drawing your attention to a new fairly major issue from last night User talk:Yobot and a couple from the last few weeks.

Hopefully this can be swiftly dealt with as it is breaking assessments, causing banners to not display, as well as causing banner-shell errors.

Thanks Chaosdruid (talk) 15:09, 28 September 2012 (UTC)
 * Oh. Cool you wrote me here. I am going to check it and fix it. -- Magioladitis (talk) 15:11, 28 September 2012 (UTC)

Yobot finished removing nested and empty priority. I updated my settings file in case I rerun in the future. I am going to fix any occurrences but it seems you fixed most of them already. -- Magioladitis (talk) 15:19, 28 September 2012 (UTC)

Wikify deprecated
Hi. Yobot is continuing to add to articles even though the template is deprecated. Can it instead add Dead End or Underlinked? Cheers  Del <sub style="color:black;">♉ sion 23  (talk)  19:48, 3 October 2012 (UTC)
 * Yes, I am on it. -- Magioladitis (talk) 19:54, 3 October 2012 (UTC)
 * FYI... This was discussed on the talk page for AWB a few weeks back. It is supposed to be fixed in the next version of AWB.  Yobot uses AWB.
 * Delusion23, your signature uses the depreciated font tag. The font tag was removed from HTML5 and a hack is making it work for the time being in Wikipedia.  Suggest you fix it.  User:LadyofShalott has a signature with multiple colors and you can look at hers for an example.  Bgwhite (talk) 20:17, 3 October 2012 (UTC)

Yobot has been adding Wikify tags to articles again. See here, here and here. Cheers  Del <sub style="color:black;">♉ sion 23  (talk)  18:18, 12 November 2012 (UTC)
 * I'll fix. -- Magioladitis (talk) 18:20, 12 November 2012 (UTC)

Regex page in your userspace
Do you mind if a page is created in your userspace? It would contain various regex formulas. For example, how to scan biographies to see if priority is left blank as some articles don't show up in the tracking category. Scan to see if there is a space after the comma in defaultsort. Rather it be in your space as you are the ringleader. Bgwhite (talk) 17:28, 4 October 2012 (UTC)
 * Feel free, my good friend Samwise Gamgee. -- Magioladitis (talk) 18:00, 4 October 2012 (UTC)
 * This is appropriate. Bgwhite (talk) 18:26, 4 October 2012 (UTC)
 * User:Magioladitis/AWB regular expressions Bgwhite (talk) 20:04, 4 October 2012 (UTC)
 * To remove parameters you should better use the built-in function RemoveTemplateParameter. -- Magioladitis (talk) 20:43, 4 October 2012 (UTC)
 * I added a regular expression to find, not remove. In the latest dump, there were 194 talk pages with empty priority/importance parameter that were not showing up in Category:Biography articles with blank priority parameter. You have to find them in order to remove them. Bgwhite (talk) 20:56, 4 October 2012 (UTC)

Mediawiki sort problem
See User talk:Okeyes (WMF) Bgwhite (talk) 17:51, 4 October 2012 (UTC)

Getting rid of some WikiProject Biography redirects
What are the odds that we can remove the following redirects: All have under 150 transclusions, most are under 15. Bgwhite (talk) 22:41, 4 October 2012 (UTC)
 * Template:Wpbiography
 * Template:Bio
 * T:WPBIO
 * Template:WikiProject biography
 * Template:Wikiproject biography
 * Template:WPBIOGRAPHY
 * Template:Wpbio
 * Template:WikiProject Biographies
 * You can try... Especially for the cross-namespace one. -- Magioladitis (talk) 22:52, 4 October 2012 (UTC)

Owney (dog)
Please check the infobox. I haven't got it quite right. Thanks. <b style="color:#060">7&amp;6=thirteen</b> (<b style="color:#000">☎</b>) 10:39, 5 October 2012 (UTC) ✅ <b style="color:#060">7&amp;6=thirteen</b> (<b style="color:#000">☎</b>) 11:10, 5 October 2012 (UTC)

Wikify again
Hey just to reitorate, Template:Wikify is now obselete. Please do NOT use it. You added it to a few dozen articles today using AWB, even ones where I'd already replaced the template with Underlinked.  Del <sub style="color:black;">♉ sion 23  (talk)  17:17, 5 October 2012 (UTC)
 * Damn. I am sorry. I didn't have time to update my settings. Doing right now! -- Magioladitis (talk) 17:18, 5 October 2012 (UTC)
 * I fixed all those that you didn't fix. I did a lot of clicks today! -- Magioladitis (talk) 17:31, 5 October 2012 (UTC)

checkwiki error 63 problem
Among the many that AWB doesn't fix....

1994 Stanley Cup Finals
 * See: *12 Ed OlczykA

American Aeronautical Corporation
 * See: (photos)

American Family Association v. City and County of San Francisco
 * See:

Bgwhite (talk) 18:51, 5 October 2012 (UTC)


 * fixes the bug. -- Magioladitis (talk) 11:42, 10 February 2013 (UTC)

8454
I sent you by mail rev 8454. I reported the bugs in AWB bug's page. -- Magioladitis (talk) 19:01, 5 October 2012 (UTC)
 * Got the email. Hmmm, I didn't know executables now end in just .ex :).   $(#*@_ Bill Gates... changing 'mv' command to 'move'.  I already said the trial was complete, so no more fixing #61 today. Bgwhite (talk) 19:24, 5 October 2012 (UTC)
 * You'll have to rename .ex to .exe. Gmail didn't allow me to send exe file. -- Magioladitis (talk) 19:25, 5 October 2012 (UTC)
 * That's why I complained about 'move'. It always takes me a few seconds before it dawns on me that I'm not on Linux/Unix.  It is hard to teach this old dog new tricks. Bgwhite (talk) 19:34, 5 October 2012 (UTC)
 * LOL. -- Magioladitis (talk) 19:35, 5 October 2012 (UTC)

checkwiki error 17 problem
Luke Spencer
 * -- Magioladitis (talk) 23:50, 21 November 2012 (UTC)
 * -- Magioladitis (talk) 23:50, 21 November 2012 (UTC)
 * -- Magioladitis (talk) 23:50, 21 November 2012 (UTC)

Quartermaine family

Indian Penal Code

Bgwhite (talk) 19:09, 5 October 2012 (UTC)

Misleading edit summaries
Hello Magioladitis, this edit purports to be "Remove space in percent per WP:PERCENT", yet is doing nothing of the sort, and nothing that would give leave for the white-space shuffling. Please try to ensure that edit summaries are accurate to some degree. —Sladen (talk) 23:21, 5 October 2012 (UTC)
 * Ooops. Forgot to really remove the correct space. Now did. The ones not caught by my regex I have to do manually and sometimes I get confused. -- Magioladitis (talk) 23:23, 5 October 2012 (UTC)
 * I've reverted this; even on the second try, as this is mangling a literal  in a citation…  —Sladen (talk) 00:54, 6 October 2012 (UTC)


 * …There seem to be other instances of altering literal citation quotes. If running as a WP:MEATBOT with the safeties and human oversight turned off, could you please make sure the regexes stay clear of anything that is a literal representation of a remote resource.  Eg., .  —Sladen (talk) 01:14, 6 October 2012 (UTC)
 * Quotes can also change to the style of Wikipedia. -- Magioladitis (talk) 08:24, 6 October 2012 (UTC)

WP:MOSQUOTE reads "a few purely typographical elements of quoted text should be adapted to English Wikipedia's conventions without comment" and later "Spaces before punctuation such as periods and colons: these should be removed as alien to modern English-language publishing.". I think here we have a similar change. In fact, AWB doesn't remove space from percent numbers inside quotes. I did it manually in same cases. I can leave a message to MOSQUOTE to ask for clarification. -- Magioladitis (talk) 08:28, 6 October 2012 (UTC)

I left a question waiting for clarification: Wikipedia_talk:Manual_of_Style. -- Magioladitis (talk) 08:32, 6 October 2012 (UTC)
 * Meanwhile I won't be changing anything inside quotes. -- Magioladitis (talk) 08:34, 6 October 2012 (UTC)

I finished fixing whitepace inside percent only in body text. -- Magioladitis (talk) 13:52, 6 October 2012 (UTC)
 * Why do that in any case? WP:PERCENT says "Percent (American English) or per cent (British English) is commonly used to indicate percentages in the body of an article." It does not suggest changing every instance of "per cent" to "percent". Do you check whether an article is written in American or British English before intervening in this way? If not, you are, I'm afraid, creating unnecessary work for those who have to manually revert your changes. -- Picapica (talk) 08:43, 7 October 2012 (UTC)
 * What we are discussing from WP:PERCENT is not "per cent" and percent" but numbers! It has to do with "15 %" and "15%". -- Magioladitis (talk) 09:19, 7 October 2012 (UTC)
 * OK, thanks for the explanation -- although I do have to say that in that case the edit summary "Remove space in percent per WP:PERCENT + general fixes using AWB (8455)" is very misleading!! Could you perhaps change the wording so that it reads: "Remove space in percentages..."? -- Picapica (talk) 11:13, 7 October 2012 (UTC)
 * OK. I can do that. Thanks for the advice. If I ever run this task again I'll do. I now finished all the pages found via database scan. -- 12:26, 7 October 2012 (UTC)

AWB question
Question, AWB didn't fix this:  The Christy Miller Series. The problem is the the first S in series. I'm not entirely sure about capitalizing in Wikilinks, but I thought didn't matter. Bgwhite (talk) 01:35, 6 October 2012 (UTC)
 * I don't think it would have been right for WP:AWB/GF to change it either to The Christy Miller series or The Christy Miller Series. What would you have wanted it changed to?  GoingBatty (talk) 05:45, 6 October 2012 (UTC)
 * Yea, I had a brain fart. Bgwhite (talk) 06:32, 6 October 2012 (UTC)
 * Capitalisation matter. In the past I participated in a drive to correct red links caused by wrong capitalisation. -- Magioladitis (talk) 08:37, 6 October 2012 (UTC)

Version not enabled
Hi.

When trying to log in to AWB, I keep getting a message that "this version is not enabled", with a suggestion to use the auto updater.

I did, and it says no update available.

Any ideas? - jc37 04:06, 7 October 2012 (UTC)
 * Not sure the last time you used AWB, but a new version was released at the beginning of September.
 * Manually download from here. The rev8350 version is latest stable release with a major bug fixed.  8399 and 8414 are the latest development versions.  I'd recommend the stable one for now because the developers are really working fast at the moment.  Bgwhite (talk) 06:04, 7 October 2012 (UTC)

As said: Jc37, you version is old and you need to download one of the new snapshots manually. I'd recommend that you download 8414. It works fine. -- Magioladitis (talk) 07:58, 7 October 2012 (UTC)

I left a message to Jc37's talk page. -- Magioladitis (talk) 12:30, 25 October 2012 (UTC)

Wikify/underlinked for AWB
Please try to bring consensus for a simple change to AWB for wikify versus underlinked, then I can make the change and we could look to release a new version with it in; if discussion proves we can't make a simple change then I'd suggest we can't do any of this tagging in AWB at all. Thanks Rjwilmsi  15:02, 9 October 2012 (UTC)
 * Consensus reached. AWB updated. Happy end. -- Magioladitis (talk) 22:15, 22 January 2013 (UTC)

WikiProject Biography redirects
Redirects for discussion/Log/2012 October_10 Bgwhite (talk) 21:44, 10 October 2012 (UTC)
 * Discussion closed. -- Magioladitis (talk) 11:51, 10 February 2013 (UTC)

kumioko vandalism
Also fake block using a sysadmins name. And more Bgwhite (talk) 22:56, 10 October 2012 (UTC)
 * Whats going on with this guy. I wonder if the real user left their account unlocked in a public place and someone is just screwing around with it. It looks like the user was productive till today.Kumioko (talk) 23:12, 10 October 2012 (UTC)
 * I avoided to block indefinitely. I hope we get some answers by Monday. My method is to ask before blocking. -- Magioladitis (talk) 11:16, 11 October 2012 (UTC)

Yobot revert
I reverted this. WP:REFPUNC wasn't intended for "(See [2].)" because the reference isn't verifying the word "See", and the result (See.[2]) doesn't make sense. Art LaPella (talk) 15:04, 12 October 2012 (UTC)
 * Thanks. I fixed further. See... is better to be avoided. I tweaked a bit. -- Magioladitis (talk) 15:11, 12 October 2012 (UTC)
 * Yes, the new version is better. Art LaPella (talk) 17:15, 12 October 2012 (UTC)

Bot's edit summary incomplete/unclear
Today Yobot did this edit to the Ed Mirvish Theatre page. There is nothing wrong with the edit, but the edit summary reads:
 * WP:CHECKWIKI error 61 fix, References after punctuation per WP:REFPUNC and WP:PAIC using AWB (8459)"

Now: There is no need to reply to this message; if you think something is worth fixing, please just do it, and if not, that's up to you. --69.158.93.127 (talk) 15:11, 12 October 2012 (UTC)
 * Yobot did indeed correct a "reference after punctuation" style error. But WP:REFPUNC and WP:PAIC are both redirects to the same place &mdash; WP:MOS &mdash; so giving the second link doesn't add any helpful information.  I have no idea what PAIC is supposed to stand for, by the way, but that's not important now.
 * Yobot also made two other changes in the section, correcting the date style as per WP:MOS. Perfectly correct, but not mentioned in the edit summary.
 * "Error 61" does not refer to anything on the page WP:CHECKWIKI and "8459" does not refer to anything on the page WP:AWB, so it is unclear what the purpose of these parts of the edit summary is. (I suppose 8459 might mean the 8,459th edit by the bot).

Notes:
 * Someone changed the target of REFPUNC so the new link is WP:CITEFOOT
 * Error 61 refers to toolserver version of CHECKWIKI
 * 8459 is AWB's current build to help us report bugs. -- Magioladitis (talk) 15:15, 12 October 2012 (UTC)

Yobot and WP:REFPUNC
Hi, re : the periods were correctly moved to a position before the, but were left at the start of lines, thus leaving the of:
 * correct to 1 October 2012. ..

Is there any possibility of coding the bot to remove the two superfluous newlines, and also the two extra periods? -- Red rose64 (talk) 21:35, 12 October 2012 (UTC)
 * This weird situation must be really rare. Do you think is worth to have some extra code for this? -- Magioladitis (talk) 21:40, 12 October 2012 (UTC)

Please follow AWB rules
Per this edit, AWB should not be used for the sake of your edit count. Please refrain from working too fast. This is the reason why you, well its actually your photo, gives AWB users an ugly rap. This is why I don't use AWB because I don't want my edit count skewed. Bgwhite (talk) 23:17, 12 October 2012 (UTC)
 * You try to make me not to sleep tonight, right? -- Magioladitis (talk) 23:19, 12 October 2012 (UTC)
 * 260,000 edits in 6 years is not much. It's only 120 edits per day. :) -- Magioladitis (talk) 23:21, 12 October 2012 (UTC)
 * Pffft. It's just after midnight. You can still work for a few more hours.  Actually it is sad both of us are working on Wikipedia on a Friday night.  Yea, I like that thinking, that means I'm only doing ~100 edits a day.  Bgwhite (talk) 23:25, 12 October 2012 (UTC)
 * It's raining here, so I decide to stay at home. Nothing interesting on the TV neither. So, why not wear the black mask of the syntax errors avenger? -- Magioladitis (talk) 23:29, 12 October 2012 (UTC)

RE: Yobot and PUNCT
Regarding User_talk:Yobot, there are a couple other minor helpful changes to the article. Those are totally besides the point. The edit summary says the bot fixed punctuation after references. It didn't. On top of that, this edit changed many lines of code, most of which are just bogus switches of the order of references, not "fixes of deprecated parameters" as you replied. Why is it switching the order of references? All that does is complicate following the article's history unnecessarily. Nobody wants to have to sort through 25 changes of blocks of text to identify one or two minor character changes. On top of that the edit summary should accuracy reflect what is being changed. All in all, this edits violates WP:BOTREQUIRE. However this occurred, please stop running the bot until the bugs are fixed. Jason Quinn (talk) 01:38, 13 October 2012 (UTC)
 * Bump. Jason Quinn (talk) 02:32, 14 October 2012 (UTC)


 * It changed punctuation. I replied on that. Again: Check in line 162 under the section "D is not a unique descriptor".
 * Additionally, it applied AWB's general fixes. One part is renaming deprecated parameters and one part was reordering references to ensure they appear in increasing order.
 * It does not violate WP:BOTREQUIRE.
 * Any suggestions for better edit summaries are welcome. -- Magioladitis (talk) 08:00, 14 October 2012 (UTC)

After CBM's help you can see clearer the punctuation fixing:. -- Magioladitis (talk) 08:06, 14 October 2012 (UTC)


 * I see only a single "punctuation" fix in that edit (a removal of a space before a ref tag). The edit mostly switches of the order of references and a couple minor fixes "file" to "File" and "Further Reading" to "Further reading". I'm glad you wrote why the references are being switched though. It's a step forward. Even if I'm overlooking more punctuation fixes in the edit, it would only underscores one of my problems with the edit: the large blocks of diff text due to the switching of the references makes double-checking Yobot's changes hard to follow. Switching of the refs should be a stand-alone task that is properly documented in the edit summary. This is to benefit the watchers of articles and save them time inspecting Yobot's changes. I feel strongly about this enough that an RfC would be appropriate. Jason Quinn (talk) 04:02, 15 October 2012 (UTC)
 * PS Why do you leave spaces sometimes between ref tags like ? Jason Quinn (talk) 04:04, 15 October 2012 (UTC)
 * My mistake. I did these edits manually. This page has a lot of references and it hard to follow where stops one ref and starts another. -- Magioladitis (talk) 19:04, 15 October 2012 (UTC)


 * I have made posted to Bot_owners'_noticeboard about my complaints because I feel it would benefit from third-party input. Jason Quinn (talk) 16:45, 15 October 2012 (UTC)
 * Thanks. We may get some good suggestions. By the way, I've been busy these days so my replies where shorter than I would like them to be. -- Magioladitis (talk) 19:06, 15 October 2012 (UTC)

“date --set” command
Hi, Yobot has incorrectly changed a computer command under date (Unix) in. I’ll undo that part of the change but I don’t want to be part of an edit war with a bot. This is at least the second time Yobot has done this incorrect change; look at the history in January 2012. Also, just mentioning “references after punctuation” in the edit summary is misleading, and the blank line is pointless noise. Probably excusable for a manual edit, but surely you can do better for mass automated edits. Vadmium (talk, contribs) 01:38, 13 October 2012 (UTC).
 * Yobot acted correctly in this case. There were other cases of "date --date=" in the article that Yobot didn't change.  The difference between the two is that Yobot didn't change the ones with   .  When it comes to code inside Wikipedia articles, it is best to add an identifier to alert that code is coming up and not real English sentences.  Adding  , instead of just using a space at the beginning of the line, accomplishes this in this case.  Using  to  ; (ii) changing an intentional   (see WP:MAGIC) into the undesired  . -- Red rose64 (talk) 19:16, 7 November 2012 (UTC)
 * was another bad edit:  should not have been altered to   (two instances). -- Red rose64 (talk) 19:35, 7 November 2012 (UTC)
 * . I have blocked the bot pending the addressing of these issues. -- Red rose64 (talk) 20:28, 7 November 2012 (UTC)

Bot should not be editing non-mainspace pages. I removed all the non-mainspace pages from the editing list. Issue fixed. -- Magioladitis (talk) 20:43, 7 November 2012 (UTC)

removing control characters
Hi, Yobot has been removing control characters such as this one which are necessary for proper display of the article. — kwami (talk) 00:39, 8 November 2012 (UTC)
 * Hi. Thanks. Just revert is fine. I think this is a rare false positive. -- Magioladitis (talk) 00:42, 8 November 2012 (UTC)
 * Is there a way of stopping a revisit? You expanded the cn tags, but that will only work until someone adds a new one. Maybe a null template that tells bots to leave the text alone? Something like PUA, maybe? — kwami (talk) 02:08, 8 November 2012 (UTC)
 * I don't know. How we can find out? I won't revisit because I am running this list only once but we have to find a way to esnure that nobody else won't try to fix it as well. -- Magioladitis (talk) 08:30, 8 November 2012 (UTC)
 * Village Pump? It'd be easy enough to instruct the bot to ignore a specific template, but there would need to be coordination between editors and bot creators to use it. Where are the CHECKWIKI errors listed? Maybe we could start there. — kwami (talk) 09:20, 8 November 2012 (UTC)
 * We should leave messages at Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Check_Wikipedia and de:Benutzer_Diskussion:Stefan_Kühn/Check_Wikipedia for starts to force this page excluded from the CHECKWIKI list. -- Magioladitis (talk) 09:25, 8 November 2012 (UTC)

Found another one. These are just ones I happen to have on my watch list, so I'm sure there are more. Rtl-lang formats it properly, so that can be used to prevent recurrence. Could you maybe run a check for any changes you made that involved parentheses?

BTW, I know you said you were only running this once, but a rerun of the articles you changed might catch other cases like this that were reverted. — kwami (talk) 18:13, 9 November 2012 (UTC)


 * I have to really think of we should so with the first case, I don't know how to spot these things.
 * I can rerun based on the latest database dump which I downloaded.
 * Any help is appreciated. Especially for the first case. -- Magioladitis (talk) 18:30, 9 November 2012 (UTC)


 * Which is the "first case"?
 * &amp;lrm; can be used instead of the template, and is easier because you don't have to ID the language: — kwami (talk)
 * "First case" = add &amp;lrm;
 * "Second case" = rerun on the list. -- Magioladitis (talk) 22:38, 9 November 2012 (UTC)

Is this correct or not? -- Magioladitis (talk) 18:33, 9 November 2012 (UTC)


 * Yeah, that looks fine. There aren't any RTL characters in there, so no &amp;lrm; is needed.


 * Both of the problems I found were caused by a ref following the RTL text without any intervening LTR text (only spaces and punctuation, which can go either way). I wrote MOS:RTL to warn of this. — kwami (talk) 19:07, 9 November 2012 (UTC)
 * This is great. This mean we could probably make a new feature for AWB. -- Magioladitis (talk) 22:37, 9 November 2012 (UTC)

I removed all invisible unicode characters based on January database dump and fixed interwikis too. -- Magioladitis (talk) 21:59, 22 January 2013 (UTC)

Infobox NFL player
could you move this to template:Infobox NFL biography? I can take care of the merger, but cannot move the template. Frietjes (talk) 20:16, 8 November 2012 (UTC)


 * Whoah, fellas. You have just held a TfD for the coaches infobox and are now merging it into one of the most used infobox templates on Wikipedia, and NO ONE ever posted a notice on the talk page for Wikiproject NFL (WP:NFL)!  Something is very wrong with this TfD process when a major and active project was not notified nor consulted concerning a merger target template that is used on over 10,000 articles.  This process needs to be halted for review now.  Dirtlawyer1 (talk) 21:05, 8 November 2012 (UTC)


 * Furthermore, no one ever posted a notice on the page for Template:Infobox NFL player, the proposed target page for the merger, and you are talking about altering the target template. This appears to have been a major process error.  I suggest you immediately reopen the TfD and provide proper notice to WP:NFL and place notice on the target template page.  Otherwise, you are going to have a riot on your hands.  Dirtlawyer1 (talk) 21:13, 8 November 2012 (UTC)


 * I admit I should have left a message to WikiProject National Football League but
 * the TfD was active for 10-11 days and nobody of the project found out?
 * similar mergers have be done to all other sports
 * -- Magioladitis (talk) 22:37, 8 November 2012 (UTC)


 * Magioladitis, (1) No TfD notice was placed on the template page for Infobox NFL player; (2) the TfD was opened on October 30, and closed on November 6, or seven days later (not ten); and (3) "other stuff exists" is not an argument for failing to notify WP:NFL. I would be grateful if we could keep the rest of this discussion a single place, so I suggest that you make any further comments on the talk page for WP:NFL where you have previously responded.  Dirtlawyer1 (talk) 23:12, 8 November 2012 (UTC)

Why are you making edits like this? (removing invisible characters)
Magioladitis, what is the purpose of this edit: ? Dirtlawyer1 (talk) 13:13, 9 November 2012 (UTC)
 * Check line 98. Invisible Unicode control character removed. -- Magioladitis (talk) 13:15, 9 November 2012 (UTC)
 * I have no problem if you change the spacing in the header. However, last figures March 2012, show that there are 2,664,385 headers with space and 13,1898,175 without. Please don't re-enter the unicode character. -- Magioladitis (talk) 13:18, 9 November 2012 (UTC)

I can't see the "invisible unicode character" and fail to see the use of removing it: but it looks as if all these edits are also changing "reflist" to "Reflist". Any reason for this? Fram (talk) 13:31, 9 November 2012 (UTC)

Aren't these Unicode removals the kind ofedits that should only be done combined with other edits under AWB rules, or do these characters really cause any problems (besides taking up some bits)? Fram (talk) 13:34, 9 November 2012 (UTC)


 * What "invisible unicode character" are you talking about?" Tough to tell, since it's apparently "invisible."  Why is this "invisible character" a problem requiring tens of thousands of automated edits?  As for the spacing, it is my understanding that AWB and other automated edit software are not supposed to be used to make non-substantive edits.  Internal consistent header spacing is not only permitted, it's actually created by certain elements of the Wikipedia page creation software.  It should not be another editor's job to revert these edits to restore permitted spacing, especially when you are making literally thousands of these edits.  I would be grateful if you would simply stop making such non-substantive edits.  The percentages quoted by you as justification for these edits are kind of self-fulfilling prophecy, as your thousands of daily AWB edits are responsible for eliminating this spacing.  Dirtlawyer1 (talk) 13:37, 9 November 2012 (UTC)

The reason for the cosmetic changes which I don't usually do is a bug to Mediawiki/AWB (check AWB/FR). AWB sees the unicode change as "no change". I am replacing the following characters: \u200E|\uFEFF|\u200B. Most edits were combined with something else. I had 3,000 pages to take care of. I am no down to 843. Btw, I am not removing spaces regularly. -- Magioladitis (talk) 13:39, 9 November 2012 (UTC)

According to CHECKWIKI: These characters "could be a problem inside a template." (and a category/interwiki). -- Magioladitis (talk) 13:41, 9 November 2012 (UTC)

So no reason for the "reflist" to "Reflist" change? And no benefit from changes like this one and hundreds of others, where the change is not inside a template, category or interwiki (or is a File link considered to be an interwiki?). Fram (talk) 13:44, 9 November 2012 (UTC)

I am doing all the remaining pages manually. So I won't change any spacing/casing. It's was my fault to use the same settings file for manual and bot changes. I fixed that.

I forced Yobot to do this to have less pages to work manually with. If any change was done additionally to the unicode character removal then the page could be saved automatically by Yobot. -- Magioladitis (talk) 13:45, 9 November 2012 (UTC)

The list given by CHECKWIKI contained a lot of Files indeed. -- Magioladitis (talk) 13:46, 9 November 2012 (UTC)


 * Thanks for doing the rest manually. Does Yobot normally change "reflist" to "Reflist"? I don't believe such changes are generally supported, they are pretty useless overall (and not included in AWB for that reason). Fram (talk) 13:50, 9 November 2012 (UTC)

OK. After 20,000 edits and 3-4 days of constant working I am down to 800 pages. I really would like to finish this task. I wouldn't like to redo it in the future. I won't change any casing/spacing. No, AWB doesn't change this and in fact very few pages (less than 1,000) were affected. It was a cheap trick to force a change to the page. That's why no other casing changed. -- Magioladitis (talk) 13:51, 9 November 2012 (UTC)

I also asked if in the future Mediawiki software can auto-remove this characters on save. -- Magioladitis (talk) 13:53, 9 November 2012 (UTC)


 * Magioladitis, I can't see these invisible unicode characters in my edit dialog window. How is it that you (or AWB) can see them?  In the case of the pages on my watch list, you are consistently identifying the invisible code problem at the end of the template for the "University of Florida Athletic Hall of Fame" (between the "e" in "Fame" and the following double "}" brackets).  I personally added most of these templates to these pages, and I know that I did not add any "invisible unicode characters" to the template when it was moved to its present name.  It's difficult to understand the problem when no one other than you and AWB can see the problem, and CHECKWIKI only provides the vaguest of explanations (as quoted above).  If this really is a problem, I could fix it manually, so that AWB's "bug" does not continue to make hundreds of non-substantive edits to the existing consistent internal spacing.  Can you provide any further explanation?  If I can't see it, I don't know how to fix it.  I am more than willing to help.  Dirtlawyer1 (talk) 13:55, 9 November 2012 (UTC)


 * It seems that you copy-pasted the character unintentionally. I did a database scan to find them ( the three characters are: \u200E|\uFEFF|\u200B ). To convince that there are there, copy paste the old and the new version in http://meyerweb.com/eric/tools/dencoder/ and compare. I am doing the rest manually so I won't change anything else. Less than 800 pages left out of 20,000. -- Magioladitis (talk) 13:59, 9 November 2012 (UTC)
 * \u200E is the left-to-right mark and it occurs when copy-pasting from Arabic pages.
 * \uFEFF is zero-width no-break space. It causes "?" to appear in most old browsers.
 * \u200B is zero width space. Similar to above. Fileformat.info reads: "Do not use this character in domain names. Browsers are blacklisting it because of the potential for phishing."-- Magioladitis (talk) 14:03, 9 November 2012 (UTC)
 * Dirtlawyer1, I think I cleaned the whole wikipedia from these characters but you could check by your own, using WP:AWB and by removing by using the F&R box \u200E|\uFEFF|\u200B (regex on). Any help is appreciated. -- Magioladitis (talk) 14:09, 9 November 2012 (UTC)


 * Okay. Here's what I get when I "encode" the current string for the "University of Florida Athletic Hall of Fame" template using the tool you provided above: "%7B%7BUniversity%20of%20Florida%20Athletic%20Hall%20of%20Fame%E2%80%8E%7D%7D".  I'm still not seeing any of the unicode characters identified by you above.  can this "invisible" problem be fixed by manually copy-pasting the "clean" version of the template from one of your AWB edits into the remaining pages?  Dirtlawyer1 (talk) 14:12, 9 November 2012 (UTC)


 * The character is there. It's this %E2%80%8E. Try to decode it and you will see nothing :) Remove this and then you have the clean version. The characters uses 3 bits so the change should give a diff of -3. -- Magioladitis (talk) 14:15, 9 November 2012 (UTC)

I am down to 600. -- Magioladitis (talk) 14:46, 9 November 2012 (UTC)


 * I am not currently an authorized AWB user, but I just requested the AWB permission to experiment with it. Can this invisible unicode character problem be cured by cutting and pasting the "University of Florida Athletic Hall of Fame" template from one of the pages previously cleaned by you and AWB into the remaining pages, or does the cut-and-pasting process somehow create the problem?  Can you explain how this bad coding was created in the first place?  I am concerned because I am personally responsible for the current template name and cut and pasting it into 200+ pages.  Dirtlawyer1 (talk) 14:51, 9 November 2012 (UTC)
 * Yes, I know. I granted you the authorisation. :) I left instructions, settings file to your talk page. I guess most probably the page was created in MS Word or some other word processor that adds these invisible characters automatically for spell checking reasons. -- Magioladitis (talk) 15:42, 9 November 2012 (UTC)

I am down to 200. -- Magioladitis (talk) 18:04, 9 November 2012 (UTC)


 * When are you going to re-format all the pages you have messed up by moving the short page notice into the page's contents? I see that you are making more of these, which ends up being more work for all of us. Carlossuarez46 (talk) 19:41, 9 November 2012 (UTC)
 * Which rule says that this message should be at the very bottom? If there is one I can fix all in a single run. -- Magioladitis (talk) 22:24, 9 November 2012 (UTC)

I finished doing this one. -- Magioladitis (talk) 22:35, 9 November 2012 (UTC)

I've started to clean up this mess - your edits and your bot's edits. Please refrain from making any more edits (automated, or otherwise) that make more work for others. Carlossuarez46 (talk) 20:54, 14 November 2012 (UTC)

I can't find the documentation of what you described. -- Magioladitis (talk) 21:12, 14 November 2012 (UTC)

The only ones that are otherwise are your and your bot's edits. The norm has been written down now: see template:longcomment/doc. Don't make me waste more time on these basically no value edits that screw up the presentation of pages. Carlossuarez46 (talk) 23:02, 14 November 2012 (UTC)

I am not sure about this one:. -- Magioladitis (talk) 23:30, 19 January 2013 (UTC)

Prevention is better than cure
I've noticed that your bot removed a lot of control characters after I had edited those articles. You may be interested in how I inserted them. I use WP:POPUPS, select information, copy it, and paste into another article. I'm not sure whether the control characters are only inserted when it is the article name that I select and copy from the popup window, but I think it happens at least in that circumstance.

Aha: it happens with category names. I see the first version here had a control character at the end of Category:Bus transportation in Michigan. I'm pretty sure that I had copied it using POPUPS, perhaps from Detroit Department of Transportation, and then pasted it in.

Can you work with the author of POPUPS to stop control characters being copied and pasted in the first place? – Fayenatic  L ondon 20:13, 21 January 2013 (UTC)

That's very good to know. I was planning to do this research and you saved me! I am going to talk to the POPUPS' author to see what we can do about it. I already fixed all the control characters coming from other wikis. -- Magioladitis (talk) 20:45, 21 January 2013 (UTC)


 * I did some more research and left a note at Wikipedia talk:Tools/Navigation popups even though it is not all about POPUPS. – Fayenatic  L ondon 14:23, 24 January 2013 (UTC)


 * Great, thanks. I would like to help more but I have some real life issues lately. -- Magioladitis (talk) 14:43, 24 January 2013 (UTC)

LRM and RLM
In this edit, you removed the LRM mark. But actually, that mark was right in place. (I reverted ). The character was OK there.

Also, your es said: "Remove unicode control characters ...". But this is not a Unicode control character (a formatting control yes, Unicode confuses). And: the same for.

I suggest you adjust the AWB/bot, or read carefully before approving an AWB edit. . -DePiep (talk) 21:48, 9 November 2012 (UTC)

Hi. Is there any way that you use Rtl-lang so we don't actually need an invisible control character? -- Magioladitis (talk) 22:32, 9 November 2012 (UTC)
 * It is an invisible format(!) control character. Not an ASCII control character (up for deletion indeed, mostly). You can delete control characters yes, but not formatting chars. Now to use a template for RTL, we could do (it should be OK) but that is not what you were editing. Adding: for sure it is not laguage related. By Unicode, it is script related. Anyway, the RTL character is not a topic in your sweep. -DePiep (talk) 22:42, 9 November 2012 (UTC)


 * I fixed it with &amp;lrm;. The language template wouldn't be appropriate, because the entire line is in the language. — kwami (talk) 22:42, 9 November 2012 (UTC)
 * All fine, but I do not want this by AWB. Editor Magioladitis (AGF) should know & check. Anyway, it is not a "control char". -DePiep (talk) 22:46, 9 November 2012 (UTC)


 * Thanks. this edit helped me understand how to use this &amp;lrm;! -- Magioladitis (talk) 22:43, 9 November 2012 (UTC)
 * It's still trial & error for me: I had to try three or four times before I found the position that would format the text properly.


 * @DePiep, I agree with Magioladitis that we should not have invisible characters in WP articles apart from simple spaces. (And maybe tabs in indented text that would display them as tabs.) Everything else should be substituted with a visible code so that the article can be edited by mortals. I went through a hundred of Magioladitis' bot edits, and in only one case could I see a reason for the control character. All the rest appeared to be cruft that built up because editors couldn't see it to delete it. — kwami (talk) 22:46, 9 November 2012 (UTC)
 * re. not have invisible characters in WP: OK, but still don't delete, do replace/solve (see my original post here: the deletion killed the example). Remove Unicode control characters said the (AWB) edit summary: but this was not an Unicode control char (a formatting control char it is). hundred of Magioladitis' bot edits -- that is the problem with bots (or AWB): one gets blinded. This edit was wrong. I maintain: Magioladitis, do not include LTR and RTL in this AWB run. -DePiep (talk) 23:03, 9 November 2012 (UTC)
 * I used this edit summary based on the description found in http://toolserver.org/~sk/cgi-bin/checkwiki/checkwiki.cgi?project=enwiki&view=only&id=16 ("Find Unicode control characters..."). I won't make any more changes in this direction to prevent any future problems. -- Magioladitis (talk) 23:06, 9 November 2012 (UTC)
 * I am familiar with RLM and RTL (and their family Template:Bidi Class (Unicode)), but have never seen or used Rtl-lang. The toolserver link you give is weird or very specific. -DePiep (talk) 23:18, 9 November 2012 (UTC)
 * Maybe the wording needs change. I don't know. I am not an expert. -- Magioladitis (talk) 23:19, 9 November 2012 (UTC)
 * Unicode is strange by itself. We at WP are stuck with it sometimes. -DePiep (talk) 23:58, 9 November 2012 (UTC)
 * Wait wait. You have 270000 edits, and you are playing dumb with me? -DePiep (talk) 00:57, 10 November 2012 (UTC)
 * I don't know the exact definition of these characters that's what I meant. I am not an expert on Unicode. -- Magioladitis (talk) 08:08, 10 November 2012 (UTC)
 * WikiProject Check Wikipedia/Translation contains the text we see in toolserver. Do you think it needs some change? -- Magioladitis (talk) 08:14, 10 November 2012 (UTC)
 * Frankly: if you don't know, then don't edit. Even if you are a 270k editor. I use AWB too. I know. It takes two steps: first prepare the edit, second click "save" per page. In this you trespassed twice. After that, I take it heavy that you run an AWB like this, and leave it to others (like me) to correct you. And even after such a correction, as I wrote here, you don't look back. (Actually, one expects you revert all these your AWB RLM LRM &tc edtis yourself, at first notice). -DePiep (talk) 21:31, 10 November 2012 (UTC)
 * Hm... in most case I was correct in removing them. There were some false positives which I didn't know about. I thought the problem is whether these characters are "unicode" characters as I write in the edit summary or not. -- Magioladitis (talk) 23:35, 10 November 2012 (UTC)

We shouldn't have LRM or RLM when there is no RTL text. For instance, many of the language info boxes have a LRM before the closing braces, and it does absolutely nothing. ≈99% of the time they should just be deleted. — kwami (talk) 08:22, 10 November 2012 (UTC)


 * response to your msg on my talk: It's been the norm for years. It's now documented at Template:Long comment/doc. Ask the short page patrollers for further conformation (TexasAndroid is particularly active and a fellow admin, I believe.) Just looking at the pages before/after one can see this edit's effect, where no one sees the unicode control characters present or absent. Carlossuarez46 (talk) 06:51, 12 November 2012 (UTC)

[sic]
Yobot doesn't account for [sic] being linked, as here. Don't know how many of those there are, but probably a fair number. — kwami (talk) 22:04, 9 November 2012 (UTC)
 * I did this edit manually. What do you mean exactly? -- Magioladitis (talk) 22:25, 9 November 2012 (UTC)
 * Aha. I see what you mean. It is 100% my fault. Manual edit. -- Magioladitis (talk) 22:34, 9 November 2012 (UTC)

I performed a database scan (created Nov. 7) and found 22 more cases. All fixed. -- Magioladitis (talk) 08:22, 10 November 2012 (UTC)

AWB weirdness
Howdy - there might be something odd going on with your AWB. This edit added a DEFAULTSORT tag with a value identical to the page title (this is the default, no DEFAULTSORT is needed here) and fiddled with the title of an empty external links section (rather than removing it). I've fixed the article, I just wanted to post here in case it's something worth looking further into. Cheers - TB (talk) 12:59, 13 November 2012 (UTC)
 * It's not the same. The letter "é" was altered to "e". -- Magioladitis (talk) 13:01, 13 November 2012 (UTC)
 * I revived it and left a comment via the edit summary. Thanks for contacting me! -- Magioladitis (talk) 13:07, 13 November 2012 (UTC)

Wrong template
Hi, with, you altered a to. There are no parameters, and is useless without them. When is used without parameters, it almost always means that the person who added it had assumed that it was a shortcut for. -- Red rose64 (talk) 13:15, 13 November 2012 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the head up. -- Magioladitis (talk) 14:08, 13 November 2012 (UTC)

Ktiv hasar niqqud
I've reverted your bot's edit to this, because those so-called "control characters" served a purpose, and you can't just remove them without doing something else to accomplish that purpose, such as adding HTML tags. Or, more simply &mdash; replace them with entity references or numeric character references. For example, U+200E can be replaced with <tt>&amp;lrm;</tt> or <tt>&amp;#x200E;</tt>. That way the characters have the intended effect, without appearing in the wikitext.

But I'm not sure why you objected to these characters, anyway. Note that they're not really control characters: they're in the <tt>Cf</tt> ("Other, Format") category, not the <tt>Cc</tt> ("Other, Control") category.

—Ruakh <i >TALK</i > 03:12, 14 November 2012 (UTC)

OK. I'll fix it. Check discussion above. Invisible characters should be avoided. -- Magioladitis (talk) 08:44, 14 November 2012 (UTC)
 * I think I fixed it. Please check. -- Magioladitis (talk) 08:54, 14 November 2012 (UTC)


 * Thanks! —Ruakh <i >TALK</i > 16:08, 14 November 2012 (UTC)

8564
Does it have the wikify fix? Bgwhite (talk) 22:03, 14 November 2012 (UTC)
 * No. :( -- Magioladitis (talk) 22:10, 14 November 2012 (UTC)
 * Wikify problem fixed. -- Magioladitis (talk) 22:00, 22 January 2013 (UTC)

Need your opinion
I see you're an active user on WT:AWB, how can I get rid of this baseless allegation? I presume you saw my post on WT:AWB? I don't mean to be rude or anything but how long do people expect me to hold off? I never said or meant that I do not take responsibility for any tool I use on Wikipedia.

If somebody else has problems with my editing they are invited to inform me (preferably with diffs) while I promise to pay attention to their concern and take all necessary precautions but still if that discussion fails they can anyway report me. Instead, what's been going on is not bettering anyone. It's bewildering frankly! People - God knows why - are trying to forcefully put words into my mouth. To my best knowledge, I am not a disruptive editor. You may say — opposing my self-confidence — that I am wholly incompetent, even if so, it doesn't mean come down hard on me because I committed an inadvertent mistake or people don't improve or that you should not try to help me improve.

It was just a minor accidental slip of words that might have given away the wrong impression that I do not take responsibility (albeit I am fully astonished since I clearly stated twice, not once but twice even in that discussion itself that I take ″full responsibility″). What is going Sir? <font face="Comic Sans MS" color="brown">Mr <font face="verdana" color="red"> T (Talk?)  [ (New thread?) ] 08:37, 15 November 2012 (UTC)

nanban (film) article has lost its old well written look and its spoiled please help
someone has mentioned snehitudu has a failed at the boxoffice and also overall break even in the boxoffice section by adding unreliable sources please remove it its spoils the look of the article and also User:kollyfan is vandalising this article again and again please revert it to the old proper version long back which had more box office information with reliable sources. hope you'll revert it thank you:) 122.174.47.155 (talk) 09:24, 15 November 2012 (UTC)

William Fawell
Hi myself. AWB still wants to add wikify/underlinked tag to William Fawell. Weird hah? -- Magioladitis (talk) 01:17, 16 November 2012 (UTC)
 * Not anynmore. Well done. -- Magioladitis (talk) 23:53, 21 November 2012 (UTC)

Re: Bgwhite Admin
Here you'll get some information --Tito Dutta (talk) 08:08, 16 November 2012 (UTC)
 * I got a reply after that in email, most probably he wanted to wait for his 200,000 edits. You can ask again now! --Tito Dutta (talk) 08:11, 16 November 2012 (UTC)
 * Following step 1 I have asked again in his talk page --Tito Dutta (talk) 09:01, 16 November 2012 (UTC)

Hello, I have started a draft here: Requests for adminship/Bgwhite --Tito Dutta (talk) 09:20, 16 November 2012 (UTC)

Error #37 on elwiki
Hi,

I saw your question on how to define special characters for #37 on dewiki. I'd like to add them in WPCleaner for the detection and fix of error #37. I will add the rules for substitution you posted, but I'd also like to add the list of characters that are ok on elwiki for DEFAULTSORT. Can you give me this list ? --NicoV (talk) 13:15, 16 November 2012 (UTC)
 * Thanks!! We characters that are acceptable are: "ΑΒΓΔΕΖΗΘΙΚΛΜΝΞΟΠΡΣΤΥΦΧΨΩαβγδεζηθικλμνξοπρσςτυφχψω" (they should be 24+25) and the 26x2 Latin characters. -- Magioladitis (talk) 13:19, 16 November 2012 (UTC)
 * More substitutions needed:
 * Ά → Α
 * Έ → Ε
 * Ή → Η
 * Ί → Ι
 * Ό → Ο
 * Ύ → Υ
 * Ώ → Ω
 * -- Magioladitis (talk) 13:20, 16 November 2012 (UTC)
 * I started translating WPCleaner portions in Greek. -- Magioladitis (talk) 13:25, 16 November 2012 (UTC)
 * Ok, I have released a new version of WPCleaner. It should take into account special characters for Greek and possible substitutions. And thanks for the translation, I've also added it. --NicoV (talk) 11:22, 17 November 2012 (UTC)

Incorrect removal of headings
AWB revision 8569 introduced a bug that incorrectly removes some headings. This bug was fixed in rev 8628. I been running in Nov 15-Nov 18 with buggy revisions having the impression it was a feature. I checked all (fingers crossed) my edits and my bot's edits. If you find any leftover please revert on sight. -- Magioladitis (talk) 00:09, 19 November 2012 (UTC)

Barnstar awarded
Thank you! I have a special section for barnstars. I am probably moving them back to my main page. I love barnstars!!! -- Magioladitis (talk) 07:45, 20 November 2012 (UTC)

On zh.wp
Plese don't insert a space between and text on zh.wiki. see --Shizhao (talk) 01:01, 21 November 2012 (UTC)
 * Example? -- Magioladitis (talk) 01:03, 21 November 2012 (UTC)
 * I guess you mean this one. -- Magioladitis (talk) 01:05, 21 November 2012 (UTC)

Nomination

 * This is really appreciated. I am a Wikipedia T-shirts collector. -- Magioladitis (talk) 22:55, 21 November 2012 (UTC)

Previous issue continues
Hi again Magioladitis, It seems whoever was behind the multiple accounts that have been blocked has one old account that can edit the semiprotected Adi Shankara and he is doing the same removal of text as before. Here is the account in question:. You will notice he has also edited Vishwabrahmins, which is involved in the Shankara article too. Can you do something? Thank you. Hoverfish Talk 23:53, 21 November 2012 (UTC)
 * I reverted their edit and left them a message. They are now in my watchlist. -- Magioladitis (talk) 09:11, 22 November 2012 (UTC)

Portalbox
You seem to be engaged in a large task of bypassing redirects in violation of the AWB rules. Please go back and undo your edits such as, or I will go through and roll them back. You are well aware that the AWB rules prohibit this sort of edit. &mdash; Carl (CBM · talk) 15:04, 23 November 2012 (UTC)
 * just right now. Code improvement. If you want to rollback the edits no problem. I think it's completely pointless though. -- Magioladitis (talk) 15:07, 23 November 2012 (UTC)
 * I was testing new code improvement. -- Magioladitis (talk) 15:10, 23 November 2012 (UTC)
 * That makes no sense. There is no exception in the AWB rules that allows you to make hundreds of rule violating edits simply because a new version of AWB has been released. Moreover, if the goal was to test the new version, you would not need to make hundreds to edits to do so - and you would not need to save any of the edits. &mdash; Carl (CBM · talk) 15:12, 23 November 2012 (UTC)
 * Your reverts make less sense though. Sense(my edits) > Sense(your edits). There are many cases I can't test by just adding tests around. -- Magioladitis (talk) 15:17, 23 November 2012 (UTC)
 * Your edits were violations of the AWB rules (and of the bot policy, because a job affecting 500+ articles requires bot approval). You can always preview each edit, see what changes it would make, and then not save it. &mdash; Carl (CBM · talk) 15:19, 23 November 2012 (UTC)


 * Remember there is a procedure to eliminate an old redirect: nominate it for deletion, and if it is deleted then a bot will go through and replace the redirect everywhere. Nobody should go through and manually replace hundreds of usages without a deletion discussion first. &mdash; Carl (CBM · talk) 15:22, 23 November 2012 (UTC)


 * OK, I have rolled back the edits that seem to correspond to the test of the new version. Pleas be more careful in testing in the future, so that you don't inadvertently save edits such as . &mdash; Carl (CBM · talk) 15:58, 23 November 2012 (UTC)
 * And what is the exactly the sense of the reversions? There is a consensus to deprecate some redirects anyway. -- Magioladitis (talk) 16:27, 23 November 2012 (UTC)


 * There is a widespread misunderstanding of what "deprecate" means. It does not mean that existing uses need to be changed; it only means that new uses should be avoided because the deprecated item may be removed in the future. If we do get around to deleting a deprecated redirect - which requires a deletion discussion - then a bot will go through and bypass all the existing uses. But there is no general reason for an individual user, without a deletion discussion, to go through hundreds of uses of a redirect to bypass it, even if the redirect is "deprecated". Redirects are not broken, after all.


 * AWB does do some template replacement as part of its general changes, but AWB rule 4 makes it clear that bypassing redirects and other "invisible" edits should not be done on their own, and the bot policy says that any large scale job to do so needs to have bot approval. That requirement for explicit consensus is mirrored in AWB rule 5. &mdash; Carl (CBM · talk) 16:37, 23 November 2012 (UTC)
 * Carl NO, you are grossly misreading the rules to meet your own opinions. Template redirects have been known to cause problems internal and external to Wikipedia. Also, doing these as part of AWB's general edits means that the work is spread out across many users, while doing other edits at the same time. Bots are good for many things but we do not need to force users to use them. There was a deletion discussion for the templates in many cases, that's what caused them to become redirects and in some cases the redirect still exists because no bot fixed it because no one wanted to spend the next 3 months submitting a BRFA to do a couple hundred edits. Its not worth the time or hassle. Bots like Cluebot, Your bots, Mizabot and a variety others are great examples of good uses of a bot. But not doing 500 edits that can easily be done, with or without AWB, in a couple hours. You are just tailoring the policy and the rules to meet your opinions. And those opinions in this case (and seemingly frequently frankly) are just wrong and not in the best interests of the project. Kumioko (talk) 16:48, 23 November 2012 (UTC)


 * (ec)I just wanted to let you know that I just railed on CBM hardcore for wasting resources and time by rolling back all those edits. There was absolutely no reason to do so. His edit summary was IMO a gross misinterpretation of this discussion and his interpretation of applicable policy needs serious review. He is only going to use it later and say here, he even agreed he broke a policy or rule. I really wish that someone would stand up to him and tell him that this isn't Carl's pedia, its Wikipedia. I realize you are just trying to keep editing and don't want to ruffle his feathers and end up like Rich or any number of others. Sadly, editors/admins like CBM that do 10 edits a week seem to always prevail in discussion over those that do 10, 000. Ok my rant is over, I'm going back to not editing here anymore. I just can't keep editing somewhere were admins like CBM, Fram and others are allowed to trample policy whenever they want and get away with it while us regular editors just have too sit back and watch them destroy this place. Its too frustrating. Good luck to you Magio and personally I think you are doing a great job. Unlike some other editors who like to nitpick and stuff that literally no one else cares about.Kumioko (talk) 16:32, 23 November 2012 (UTC)
 * My own time on a volunteer project should be mine to waste, I think. And we are not supposed to worry much about resources. The real issue is that Wikipedia is built on consensus; running an AWB job (or any other job) on hundreds of articles requires getting consensus first, not later. The reason that Rich Farmbrough ended up with sanctions was because he did not get consensus first on many occasions. It's certainly fun to make lots of edits - I have run bot jobs myself, I know how it is - but we people who can run bots have to temper our enthusiasm and consider the rest of the community first before doing it. There are lots of people who could run large-scale bot jobs to make insignificant changes based on their personal preferences, and the need for consensus is the only reason they don't do so. Unfortunately, sometimes AWB makes it a little "too easy". &mdash; Carl (CBM · talk) 16:45, 23 November 2012 (UTC)
 * Actually your half right about Rich but the key there is that he was doing hundreds of thousands of edits and that volume is going to mean that errors will occur more frequently, largely because of the lack of standardization of the pedia. He also felt as I do that its stupid to halve to spend months to get a BRFA approved. Largely because its not actively monitored and the BAG folks frankly get around to it when they feel like it. So its easier just to run the job and be done with it. Rich was blocked for as much any reason as any because the systems we have in place on Wikipedia suck and non one has the time or desire or the "consensus" to fix/change them and make them better. Because there is always some jerk that says there is no consensus and reverts/rolls them back. Its impossible to program in every variation because editors just like you won't let us standardize things like WikiProject banner templates. Do you have any idea how hard it is to program a change that affects 2000 different templates each having multiple name variations? Of course you do but yet you still argue that we need to allow them. Its ridiculous. Your also right, your time is your time however when you start disrespecting the time of others like you did with Magio then that is no longer a valid argument because its no longer just your time you are wasting. I also actually agree with you that large scale jobs can cause problems and many do need to go through a formal process. But reverting these edits just because they didn't go through that process is just plain stupid and a disrespect to Magio's time among other things. Kumioko (talk) 16:56, 23 November 2012 (UTC)

Need your attention (semi-urgent)
Adding orphan tag is inconsequential? Useless??? and other issues, please comment Sir. <font face="Comic Sans MS" color="brown">Mr <font face="verdana" color="red"> T (Talk?)  [ (New thread?) ] 14:53, 24 November 2012 (UTC)

Image parameter in football infobox
Hello. Edits like this, where you adopt the new format for the image filename parameter but just dump the existing image size and alt text rather than converting them to the new format, really aren't constructive. Please rethink what you're doing. Struway2 (talk) 20:08, 25 November 2012 (UTC)
 * You are right. I'll fix it. -- Magioladitis (talk) 20:10, 25 November 2012 (UTC)
 * And this one, a few minutes ago, which had size, caption and alt text, albeit the caption didn't show because the editor who added it didn't realise the format was different inside the old infobox format. Now it doesn't have any of those things. Does this conversion really need to be done so quickly that significant useful information is being lost, or would it be better making a bot request to convert all existing file formatting to fit the new parameters? done Struway2 (talk) 12:56, 26 November 2012 (UTC)
 * Don't worry I'll fix everything. I can slow down too. -- Magioladitis (talk) 12:57, 26 November 2012 (UTC)

I remove the caption which is just player's name. I also try to standardise the image's size. -- Magioladitis (talk) 12:59, 26 November 2012 (UTC)
 * I can see an argument for standardising the sizes, although some images are deliberately reduced in size by editors who actually looked at them, because of their shape or their resolution. Hopefully standardising the size won't do any real damage. And I agree that where the caption is just the subject's name, it can happily be removed. But for example, this one had a caption of "Martin Andermatt, right". This contained the subject's name but was in fact more informative, in that the "right" identified which of the 2 people in the image was the subject. And this one indicated when the image was taken. It's examples like these which make me think we're losing useful info by not carrying captions over to the new format. And obviously, alt text shouldn't ever be removed. cheers, Struway2 (talk) 13:26, 26 November 2012 (UTC)
 * Thanks. I agree alt should stay. I ll improve my logic to fix the problems you noticed. Please keep sending feedback. -- Magioladitis (talk) 13:27, 26 November 2012 (UTC)
 * In the two cases the problem was the empty caption parameter. I 'll fix the code glitch. -- Magioladitis (talk) 13:28, 26 November 2012 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!
Thanks! Much appreciated! Happy editing! -- Magioladitis (talk) 23:51, 25 November 2012 (UTC)
 * You deserve it for all of the work you've done for AWB, Magio. But I couldn't help but wonder what you meant by this . Did you say that sarcastically or was it some sort of a mistake? I am fairly satisfied with AWB. Yes, put in a Feature request but only to save my own ass. Nevertheless, that doesn't mean I am not happy. I doubt the use of a smiley would be appropriate, otherwise I would have used one. Cheers, <font face="Comic Sans MS" color="brown">Mr <font face="verdana" color="red"> T (Talk?)  [ (New thread?) ] 08:58, 29 November 2012 (UTC)
 * It was meant to be a joke! :) I noticed a rule in AWB the last 4 years: One bug is fixed, another appears. This makes things moving though! Happy editing! I never complain on FRs. -- Magioladitis (talk) 09:06, 29 November 2012 (UTC)
 * I need BgWhite to save me on this. I seems I can't write good jokes in English yet. -- Magioladitis (talk) 09:21, 29 November 2012 (UTC)
 * No, don't sweat it. It's fine, due to some unpleasant experiences with others here, my sense of humor has gone abnormally low. Otherwise, I am not such a humorless guy by the way. Haha... . <font face="Comic Sans MS" color="brown">Mr <font face="verdana" color="red"> T (Talk?)  [ (New thread?) ] 09:42, 29 November 2012 (UTC)
 * I understood it was a joke! Seems it's easier for all of us (myself included) to report bugs or make feature requests than it is to give well deserved praise.  Maybe we need AutoWikiBrowser/Thanks.  :-)   -GoingBatty (talk) 04:21, 30 November 2012 (UTC)

Thanks for the clean up in Jagannath
Thanks for cleaning up the references in the article Jagannath. I was having trouble doing that regards sids (talk) 10:34, 29 November 2012 (UTC)
 * My pleasure. The article seems to be a good one! -- Magioladitis (talk) 12:08, 29 November 2012 (UTC)

Am still working on it.Hope to finish it soon and then I hope to request you to take a look sids (talk) 13:23, 29 November 2012 (UTC)
 * Yes. Anytime. I'll be glad to help. -- Magioladitis (talk) 13:24, 29 November 2012 (UTC)

Thanks for the clean-up of Greg LeMond
Thanks for the recent clean-up effort of punctuation in the Greg LeMond article. There is a new impetus to revise, update, edit and enhance the article in hopes of one-day achieving good article status for it, so your attention to it is greatly appreciated. joepa T 16:08, 29 November 2012 (UTC)
 * Anytime! -- Magioladitis (talk) 13:37, 1 December 2012 (UTC)

Be bold?
I think you can procceed with histmerge of User:David Kernow/John Wood (explorer) with the mainspace article and then we can speedy close it. Obvious case I think. -- Magioladitis (talk) 13:29, 29 November 2012 (UTC)
 * Done. I left the MfD tag, and didn't close the discussion. - jc37 19:41, 29 November 2012 (UTC)

Two's complement
Your edit summary says “clean up”, but take a look at the ! I undid this change. Vadmium (talk, contribs) 03:57, 30 November 2012 (UTC).
 * Thanks. I added now code tags. -- Magioladitis (talk) 07:42, 30 November 2012 (UTC)

These seem to be introducing a blank line at the bottom of each illustration. According to Help:Markup, &lt;code&gt; is for bits of computer code inline with regular text. I’m not sure what problem you were trying to solve, but how about using &lt;pre&gt;, or even just going back to how it was with a space beginning each line? Vadmium (talk, contribs) 23:29, 2 December 2012 (UTC).

Thanks
Thank you for this change |change

How do you do it? Jokkmokks-Goran (talk) 18:59, 30 November 2012 (UTC)
 * You can do it too! Check WP:AWB of how to install AutoWikiBroswer, a program that makes over 100 syntax fixes. -- Magioladitis (talk) 20:47, 30 November 2012 (UTC)

special character question
You may not remember me as you refuse to talk to me. (Mommy, why won't Magioladits play with me?) I have a question with CheckWiki #46. How do you go about fixing the ISO article? Is there a special character to add? Bgwhite (talk) 01:33, 1 December 2012 (UTC)
 * - Hi Bgwhite! In case Magioladitis is in a time out, I think I fixed it with this edit. Just don't call me Mommy :-)  GoingBatty (talk) 01:50, 1 December 2012 (UTC)
 * Thank you Mo, err, Batty. Now I know. Bgwhite (talk) 06:22, 1 December 2012 (UTC)
 * Nice solution. I tried the code trick but it was not the best for this case. -- Magioladitis (talk) 14:31, 1 December 2012 (UTC)

Cosmetic edits by Yobot
Lately, Yobot has been making many edits that appear to be purely cosmetic, e.g. changing html entities to unicode characters or changing the capitalization of categories. Can you explain how this fits into the list of approved tasks for this bot? As far as I can see it is cluttering our watchlists and the article histories for no good purpose. —David Eppstein (talk) 17:03, 1 December 2012 (UTC)
 * Checkwiki error 18 asks to capitalise the first letter of category names for normalisation purposes. This was a sole run to reduce the population of these cases. I won't run it again if you think it's cosmetic. -- Magioladitis (talk) 17:16, 1 December 2012 (UTC)
 * I think unicode characters are better than html entities for older browsers. I think the current trend in wikicode is to have as less html code as possible. -- Magioladitis (talk) 17:18, 1 December 2012 (UTC)
 * Maybe Help:Wiki markup helps? I haven't checked it. -- Magioladitis (talk) 17:19, 1 December 2012 (UTC)
 * I agree that the characters and capitalized category names are preferable (with the exception that I think that &amp;minus; should remain unexpanded since in character form it's too difficult to distinguish from hyphens and en-dashes); I just think that they should be piggybacked on other changes, since they make no difference to the appearance of the article, rather than being justified as standalone edits. —David Eppstein (talk) 19:10, 1 December 2012 (UTC)
 * No problem. Since now I did the big run that hasn't been done for years, I won't rerun solely for this change. It's very difficult to fix some good skip conditions that will determine "a big change" in the article. -- Magioladitis (talk) 19:19, 1 December 2012 (UTC)

Request for new AWB SVN
Hi Magioladitis! Thanks for fixing the edit summary when adding "underlinked" via. Could you please post a new SVN so bot operators such as myself can turn the Auto tag functionality back on with confidence? Thanks! GoingBatty (talk) 17:11, 1 December 2012 (UTC)
 * Reedy uploads snapshots. I'll ask him. -- Magioladitis (talk) 17:20, 1 December 2012 (UTC)
 * You've announced many recent new SVN versions, so I thought you were doing this too. I'll go direct to Reedy next time.  Thanks!  GoingBatty (talk) 17:32, 1 December 2012 (UTC)
 * I am the guy who keeps sending messages to Reedy until he blocks me. -- Magioladitis (talk) 17:34, 1 December 2012 (UTC)
 * rev 8853 is out. -- Magioladitis (talk)

reverted edit in RC4
I mostly reverted your October 2012 edit of RC4. Please be careful when editing brackets in mathematical expressions. 85.131.104.149 (talk) 07:41, 3 December 2012 (UTC)

Thank you
Thank you for supporting my bot request. --Meno25 (talk) 10:35, 3 December 2012 (UTC)

syntax question
In 1745 Establishment, inside the infobox, there is a list previous classes. The first one is marked by a * instead of dot like the rest. How in blazes can this be fixed? Bgwhite (talk) 06:14, 4 December 2012 (UTC)


 * Hope you don’t mind me butting in instead. The Infobox ship class overview template puts the Class after parameter inside a &lt;td&gt; HTML table cell, all in one line like

. . . . ..
 * One fix would probably be to put a newline before the parameter in the template page. Compare the wiki code for these two table cells:


 * Another idea, equally hacky, in the article itself rather than the template. Put a new line before the asterisk, and use &lt;nowiki/&gt; to avoid it being stripped off :P

Class after=&lt;nowiki/&gt;
 * Sandwich-class ship of the line (second rate)
 * Valiant-class ship of the line (third rate)


 * Vadmium (talk, contribs) 06:55, 4 December 2012 (UTC)


 * Nope, don't mind you answering at all and thank you. I already tried a new line and a regular nowiki and both didn't work.  I haven't heard of &lt;nowiki/&gt; before, so I learned something new.  I asked a question a couple days ago and GoingBatty responded.  Magioladitis is all grumpy and grouchy this time in the morning, so it is nice to have happy people for a change :) Bgwhite (talk) 07:11, 4 December 2012 (UTC)
 * I just woke up and what I see? More questions! Arghhh. -- Magioladitis (talk) 07:56, 4 December 2012 (UTC)
 * It is obvious that someone has to ask one of the template guys to update the infobox's coding somehow. When I come to this problem I usually use this talk page for instance. -- Magioladitis (talk) 08:03, 4 December 2012 (UTC)

Refpunc doesn't advocate comma followed by period
Hi, please see ; the period was moved so that it lay between a comma and the opening. Would it be possible to remove the superfluous comma in such cases? -- Red rose64 (talk) 16:38, 5 December 2012 (UTC)
 * If the punctuation mark is the same then we remove it but if the punctuation mark is different we can't decide which one is the correct. Sometimes there is a superfluous comma and sometimes there is a superfluous point. The best we can do is to put them one next to the other and hope that some editor will fix it. -- Magioladitis (talk) 17:56, 5 December 2012 (UTC)

WP:AWB/B
Hi, Magio. Could you take a look at this bug, please? AWB shouldn't add both underlinked and dead end to the same article. I need to have this bug resolved for my BRFA. Alternatively, if you can't resolve it, could you tell me how to disable adding of underlinked in AWB? --Meno25 (talk) 17:07, 5 December 2012 (UTC)

Orphan tag
According to Orphan, "It is recommended to only place the orphan tag if the article has ZERO incoming links from other articles." In some recent edits, Yobot has been placing the tag on articles with as many as two incoming article-space (non-redirect) links:. I don't think it should be doing this. —David Eppstein (talk) 21:28, 5 December 2012 (UTC)
 * Yes, you are right. I'll fix my settings just right now. Thanks. -- Magioladitis (talk) 21:40, 5 December 2012 (UTC)
 * Settings file updated. I wonder why nobody noticed before. -- Magioladitis (talk) 21:43, 5 December 2012 (UTC)

Redundancy in Yobot edit summaries
Hi Magioladitis,

Many Yobot edit summaries contain "References after punctuation per WP:REFPUNC and WP:PAIC". I don't know the history, but those two wikilinks now point to the same place.

Cheers, Adrian J. Hunter(talk•contribs) 23:43, 5 December 2012 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the heads up. In the past they had different targets. I'll update my edit summary. -- Magioladitis (talk) 23:47, 5 December 2012 (UTC)
 * Cool, thanks for the lightning-quick response! Adrian J. Hunter(talk•contribs) 23:51, 5 December 2012 (UTC)
 * It happened a year ago but I wasn't paying attention. -- Magioladitis (talk) 23:53, 5 December 2012 (UTC)
 * I changed WP:PAIC with WP:CITEFOOT. -- Magioladitis (talk) 23:55, 5 December 2012 (UTC)

hr tags
was [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=2007–08_Philadelphia_76ers_season&diff=526621528&oldid=495507878 this] fixed (see the end of the diff)? if so, I suppose the user needs to upgrade? Frietjes (talk) 00:33, 6 December 2012 (UTC)
 * Yes, now it's fixed. we are waiting for the next release. I already replied to editor's page. -- Magioladitis (talk) 00:35, 6 December 2012 (UTC)
 * 8776 is now up. -- Magioladitis (talk) 00:36, 6 December 2012 (UTC)

Proposal for category:Bible translation stubs
Hi Magioladitis. I am presenting this proposal for new Bible-related stub categories. What do you think? Regards, --Fabio Descalzi, aka Fadesga (talk) 12:26, 7 December 2012 (UTC)

AWB is not picking up birth_date and death_date
It doesn't appear SVN 8759 is picking up birth_date or death_date from the infobox and putting it into persondata. It is picking up the death and birth categories and putting it into persondata. -- Bgwhite (talk) 08:10, 8 December 2012 (UTC)


 * It depends on the infobox. From which one? I can add it to the list.

adds to Infobox nobility. After spying your latest edits I suspect this is the one you were complaining about. -- Magioladitis (talk) 09:14, 8 December 2012 (UTC)

adds more and removes 2 deleted. -- Magioladitis (talk) 09:29, 8 December 2012 (UTC)


 * Stop spying on me. It is dark and I have my blinds closed, so how are you seeing me?  What is that noise in the closet? Bgwhite (talk) 09:40, 8 December 2012 (UTC)


 * "He's editing from inside the house!" :-)  GoingBatty (talk) 16:30, 8 December 2012 (UTC)
 * Haha. -- Magioladitis (talk) 16:31, 8 December 2012 (UTC)

Should AWB warn on a missing span tag?
Also, should AWB warn of a missing as it does for ? -- Bgwhite (talk) 08:10, 8 December 2012 (UTC)
 * Maybe we could add warning for span too. -- Magioladitis (talk) 08:46, 8 December 2012 (UTC)

Coordinate errors affecting multiple infoboxes
Please see Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Infoboxes. Your assistance would be appreciated. Andy Mabbett ( Pigsonthewing ); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 14:08, 8 December 2012 (UTC)

MfD nominations
Before nominating pages in userspace for deletion, please check whether the user is still actively editing Wikipedia. If so, it is courteous to leave a note for that user asking if he or she has plans for the page, and to wait a reasonable time for the reply, before posting an MfD. Often, this will eliminate the need for an MfD, as either the editor will agree to delete the page, or will give a good reason for retaining it. Thank you for your anticipated cooperation. Newyorkbrad (talk) 23:19, 8 December 2012 (UTC)
 * You are right on this. I'll be more careful on this side. MfD are slow anyway. Most of the discussions close after two weeks so if the editor is active there is plenty of time to answer. If the editor plans to work with the page I withdraw the MfD immediately. -- Magioladitis (talk) 23:45, 8 December 2012 (UTC)
 * I don't want these nominations to be taken as hostile actions. I am completely flexible if the editor wants to keep the page. Nomination doesn't always imply deletion. It is interesting though that the recent nominations revealed a copyvio and an inappropriate copy-paste from an older version of existing page. -- Magioladitis (talk) 23:53, 8 December 2012 (UTC)
 * I'd like to second Newyorkbrad's comment. If the user in question is at all active (I know, I barely qualify, but I did have a few edits in the last week), a comment on their talk page prior to MfD is much preferable to a boiler plate notification that their page has already been nominated for deletion. That being said, thanks for your work and devotion to areas such as MfD that most people ignore. Cheers, <font color="#0000EE">Eric (EWS23) 06:59, 10 December 2012 (UTC)

Userspace deletions
Hi Magioladitis, you may remember me from such MDFs as Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/User:Ceoil/Joy Division. I have a few others that are no longer needed, and would appreciate if you could bury. Ceoil/Dalí, Ceoil/Images, Ceoil/Lucy, Ceoil/REM, Ceoil/things to do. As thanks, here is an amusing vid. Ceoil (talk) 00:01, 9 December 2012 (UTC)
 * Mission accomplished. :) Thanks for the video. I hope I am not the mouse, the pages are the cheese and there is a trap somewhere! -- Magioladitis (talk) 00:29, 9 December 2012 (UTC)
 * hehe. no there was nothing there that might be used against me, and now you, in a court of law at some unspecified later date! It was all just article drafts I had accumulated, from back in the day, when MC Hammer was cool. Anyway, thanks. Ceoil (talk) 00:33, 9 December 2012 (UTC)
 * MC Hammer is still cool :D -- Magioladitis (talk) 00:34, 9 December 2012 (UTC) Mc Hammer sucks. -- Magioladitis (talk) 13:18, 9 December 2012 (UTC)
 * Your living in a dream world. Tut tut. You open to recall? For endorsing the large at the top and skinny at the end pants you should be hauled to an/i. You know what, this is more serious; I see request for arbcom Magioladitis/MC Hammer in your future ;) Ceoil (talk) 01:03, 9 December 2012 (UTC)
 * Haha. I apologise and ask for forgiveness. -- Magioladitis (talk) 01:05, 9 December 2012 (UTC)
 * Just do what I say from here on and nobody need know about this. I'll get one of my oversighters to delet this thread. Ceoil (talk) 13:13, 9 December 2012 (UTC)

Response
I have pointed it out twice. You just don't want to read it. It is drawing lots of complaints on these edits and there is nothing on the upside to them. I spent the better part of several hours cleaning up after your bot's screw ups and you haven't bothered. That's not the spirit of the bots. Carlossuarez46 (talk) 19:02, 10 December 2012 (UTC)

LRM (again)
Hi. At here, a necessary LRM character was removed. It's necessary because some editors/browsers (software, not humans) need the mark after an Arabic phrase in the middle of an English sentence when the first non-punctuation character after the Arabic phrase is a digit, because it assumes the digit is in Arabic, and incorrectly places it to the left of the Arabic phrase. Are there other edits like this? —&#91; Alan  M  1 (talk) &#93;— 00:58, 11 December 2012 (UTC)
 * I'm sorry for that. I hope there are not any others. I tried to be careful and reverted some myself during the procedure. In some cases I also had to fix pagetitles on other wikipedias to get everything right. Please fix any I missed. My apologies again. -- Magioladitis (talk) 01:09, 11 December 2012 (UTC)

Possible AWB changes relating to Simple WP
Greetings, I have been helping out at Simple WP and noticed a few things that AWB wants to do that differ from how things are done of there. Before I submit a cluster of Feature requests I wanted to ask what the possibility of this would be? Should I request them here or over there? Thanks. Kumioko (talk) 01:31, 11 December 2012 (UTC)
 * You could create a subpage in your userspace and we can try to implement them. Start from the bugs. The ones we do and we should not. -- Magioladitis (talk) 08:17, 11 December 2012 (UTC)
 * Ok thanks. Kumioko (talk) 10:51, 11 December 2012 (UTC)
 * I went and created a work page here with some of what I found so far. There will probably be more as I find new things and work on more issues there. Please let me know what you think. Kumioko (talk) 20:31, 11 December 2012 (UTC)
 * In regards to the 2 groups of Bugs that I submitted affecting Simple for See also and External links. I found a lot more of the 2 examples I gave but none outside those 2. If I find any more I'll post them. Kumioko (talk) 02:04, 13 December 2012 (UTC)

Convert?
Good evening,

This may well have been asked before (your archives are rather large) but...

Activity in my watchlist suggests that Yobot is doing another run replacing "space" between measurements and their units with " ". All well and good but why not go the extra step and add convert?

The bot already recognises the two required input values, and convert these days provides good default output units so it would seem to be perfectly doable.

-Arb. (talk) 23:51, 11 December 2012 (UTC)
 * Yes, this is a good idea. Lightmouse used to do that. -- Magioladitis (talk) 00:50, 12 December 2012 (UTC)

The most inane use of the small tag
The most inane use of the small tag and doing it three times for good measure:

Bgwhite (talk) 06:51, 13 December 2012 (UTC)

Query
Hello Sir,I have seen bots from sometime but noticed them only today that they are created by users.How are they created while i skimmed through Creating a bot page.Are they created by only various language programmers?Suppose i want to create a bot who automatically tagged dead links although i think it was created already.Is there any help page where i find someone provide help creating a new bot and tell me the tasks generally done by bots.Thanx ---zeeyanketu talk to me 19:07, 15 December 2012 (UTC)

Unicode control characters
Hi, Magio. Can you make your bot remove Unicode control characters from the Egyptian Arabic Wikipedia (arzwiki) as you did in English Wikipedia? --Meno25 (talk) 10:29, 17 December 2012 (UTC)
 * Check User:Magioladitis/AWB_and_CHECKWIKI of how to do it by yourself. I don't trust me doing it in a RTL project. -- Magioladitis (talk) 23:37, 17 December 2012 (UTC)


 * Finished removing Unicode control characters in arzwiki, arwikiversity, arwikinews, arwikiquote, arwikibooks and arwiktionary. 2200 pages to do in arwiki. --Meno25 (talk) 11:15, 21 December 2012 (UTC)
 * That's super good. -- Magioladitis (talk) 13:42, 21 December 2012 (UTC)

Very minor changes
Hi Magioladitis, sorry to bother you with this. Two issues: first, you're appearing on my watchlist a fair bit with very minor edits, such as adding white space under headers, changing reflist to Reflist, see to further, and moving other-language links out of alphabetical order. This can be problematic, because it fills up the watchlist with unnecessary edits which can mean other things gets missed. AWB does say, "Do not make insignificant or inconsequential edits." Would you consider not using it anymore for these kinds of edits?


 * OK. I am sorry about the minor changes. It was more of performance check. The interwiki change is correct because the order is not based on alphabetical order but on alphabetical order of the language as it is written in its own language. -- Magioladitis (talk) 16:40, 19 December 2012 (UTC)


 * Surely all we can do is go by the first letter of each shortcut? SlimVirgin (talk) 17:25, 19 December 2012 (UTC)
 * There is a sort list somewhere in metawiki. AWB uses this. -- Magioladitis (talk) 17:38, 19 December 2012 (UTC)


 * Thanks, it's here, but I'm none the wiser. I can't imagine what would cause h to come after i. SlimVirgin (talk) 18:09, 19 December 2012 (UTC)
 * The language names in English are: ; ; ; ;, which in the local language are: ; ; ; ; . Perhaps in the Hebrew alphabet, sorts at some point after I? -- Red rose64 (talk) 18:23, 19 December 2012 (UTC)
 * m:MediaWiki:Interwiki config-sorting order-native-languagename-firstword confirms that he comes after it. That's all I know. -- Magioladitis (talk) 18:31, 19 December 2012 (UTC)


 * I suppose the question is why that page is the authority. This is a very minor issue and I don't want to labour it (I mentioned it only as one example of the minor edits), but it looks odd to move just one interwiki link out of alphabetical order. SlimVirgin (talk) 17:58, 20 December 2012 (UTC)
 * At some point some consensus was established I guess :) Check for instance that "chr chy" come after "tr". -- Magioladitis (talk) 19:29, 20 December 2012 (UTC)
 * Y'know, I don't think that the sort order for en.wp is that given by m:MediaWiki:Interwiki config-sorting order-native-languagename-firstword. Our page MediaWiki:Interwiki config-sorting order contains "", so I suspect that the order is given by m:MediaWiki:Interwiki config-sorting order-native-languagename which has a number of differences (e.g. "ilo bpy id ia ie" instead of "az bjn id ms bm"). -- Red rose64 (talk) 11:36, 29 December 2012 (UTC)

The second issue is Yobot moving punctuation outside refs. This could be problematic too, depending on what the bot is doing (dashes and semi-colons would be treated differently from periods and commas, for example), and also because the MoS and CITE are guidelines and people don't have to follow their advice about punctuation. Can you say what Yobot does exactly regarding punctuation, whether or not in relation to references? SlimVirgin (talk) 16:18, 19 December 2012 (UTC)
 * I am confused about this question. Do you have an example of what was done and it should not have been done? -- Magioladitis (talk) 16:40, 19 December 2012 (UTC)


 * The concern is that punctuation is something that probably shouldn't be changed by a bot, and the question is what punctuation changes Yobot makes. SlimVirgin (talk) 17:25, 19 December 2012 (UTC)
 * Yobot (and AWB) moves the ref before punctuation of any kind unless there is a punctuation mark of the same kind on the other side. I only can say that I am doing this for 2 or more years and it seems to be the standard procedure. -- Magioladitis (talk) 18:33, 19 December 2012 (UTC)


 * Okay, thanks, that would take account of dashes and brackets. SlimVirgin (talk) 17:58, 20 December 2012 (UTC)

But it fails for footnotes intentionally placed before punctuation inside quotes, when the proceeding non-quoted footnotes are placed in the standard place (after punctuation). -- PBS (talk) 17:02, 21 December 2012 (UTC)

Merry Christmas!
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Season's tidings!
To you and yours, Have a Merry ______ (fill in the blank) and Happy New Year! FWiW Bzuk (talk) 02:30, 22 December 2012 (UTC)

T-shirt
Dear stalkers, Merchandise giveaways/Nominations. :) -- Magioladitis (talk) 07:16, 22 December 2012 (UTC)

Honorfics in Infobox officeholder
Could you revisit Template talk:Infobox officeholder, please? A bot is removing the inline markup from instances of the template (see progress reports on my talk page) and there is a renewed debate about how the template should format its content. Conversion to Infobox may help. Andy Mabbett ( Pigsonthewing ); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 11:31, 22 December 2012 (UTC)

Template:Handbook of Texas
Can you edit the Template:Handbook of Texas? The Texas State Historical Association has once again changed its website addresses. This time, they eliminated the .html - I believe if you change the code so it doesn't have the dot html, it should resolve this. Otherwise, we have dead links on a lot of Texas articles. — Maile (talk) 01:55, 23 December 2012 (UTC)
 * ✅ Magioladitis (talk) 07:59, 23 December 2012 (UTC)
 * I think they did more than that. I checked Austin, Texas and the old link is http://www.tshaonline.org/handbook/online/articles/AA/hda3.html and the new one is http://www.tshaonline.org/handbook/online/articles/hda03. The same hold for many others. -- Magioladitis (talk) 07:55, 23 December 2012 (UTC)
 * Houston goes from HH/hdh3.html to hdh03. So we also need a bot to run I guess. -- Magioladitis (talk) 07:56, 23 December 2012 (UTC)

Thank you for doing this. Hopefully, I have adequately explained what is needed at Bot requests#Handbook of Texas Online — Maile (talk) 15:18, 23 December 2012 (UTC)
 * Great, thanks. If nobody else does it I can do it too. -- Magioladitis (talk) 15:40, 23 December 2012 (UTC)

Not exactly done
I've put this back as an active bot request. Rich underestimated the number of articles involved and never could get permission to run a bot. Now he's blocked for a couple of months. So, it's back out there waiting for someone to run a bot. — Maile (talk) 00:36, 22 January 2013 (UTC)

Yobot and Santa Fe Institute page
Hello, the Yobot bot visited the Santa Fe Institute page and made substantial and incorrect changes. I have reverted the changes to the previous version. Please restrict Yobot from making such extensive changes again. As a brief summary: Yobot removed a number of people's names who were correctly listed as members of the Santa Fe Institute, apparently because these people do not currently have Wikipedia pages about them; it also removed the distinction between Resident and External faculty that the Santa Fe Institute uses, collapsing these to "Notable" faculty, which is incorrect. Paresnah (talk) 18:20, 23 December 2012 (UTC)
 * It was not Yobot but the editor before Yobot who did that. Check again please. -- Magioladitis (talk) 18:37, 23 December 2012 (UTC)
 * Right you are. Sorry about that. Paresnah (talk) 03:18, 30 December 2012 (UTC)

No brain editing
It would be nice if you contacted involved editors before you go through a page with your bot. Do you ever look back to see if your 'bot' has screwed up formatting and other items?? Looking at the number of complaints on the talk pages of bot users I would say you could care less. -- Gwillhickers (talk) 19:07, 23 December 2012 (UTC)
 * Replied at my bot's page already to your questions and I posed a couple. -- Magioladitis (talk) 19:04, 23 December 2012 (UTC)

Thanks
Hey, thank you for fixing the WikiProject Women Scientists template! :) Keilana&#124;Parlez ici 04:47, 25 December 2012 (UTC)
 * You are welcome. :) -- Magioladitis (talk) 10:33, 25 December 2012 (UTC)

Proposal for
Hi Magioladitis. Hope you are doing fine. Please, be so kind and take a look at this proposal. Thank you! Regards, --Fabio Descalzi, aka Fadesga (talk) 13:14, 28 December 2012 (UTC)
 * Merry Christmas. Unfortunately I am not a stubs expert so I can't really help. --- Magioladitis (talk) 08:39, 30 December 2012 (UTC)

Strange old Yobot edit
I just came across a strange Yobot edit. It's three months old, so if the problem's been fixed already, please ignore this. Yobot attempted to create a new, second, WikiProjectBannerShell and moved a WikiProject banner from the first one into the second one, also removing a "}", resulting in a broken template. M AN d ARAX •  XAЯA b ИA M  10:34, 29 December 2012 (UTC)
 * Nice catch. It still happens and it is related to the custom module somehow. Let's see if I or Kumioko can fix it. -- Magioladitis (talk) 11:20, 29 December 2012 (UTC)
 * The problem is related with the missing equal sign in the project. When I add everything works fine. -- Magioladitis (talk) 11:26, 29 December 2012 (UTC)

Edit summary on arwiki
Hi, Magio. When removing ar:قالب:غير مصنفة (equivalent of uncategorized) on arwiki, the edit summary says "uncategorized". It should say "غير مصنفة". Could you fix it, please? I believe this minor issue doesn't need a separate bug report. --Meno25 (talk) 11:28, 29 December 2012 (UTC)
 * -- Magioladitis (talk) 11:38, 29 December 2012 (UTC)
 * ... and since we are here "مش متصنفه" for arzwiki. --Meno25 (talk) 11:32, 29 December 2012 (UTC)
 * . -- Magioladitis (talk) 11:38, 29 December 2012 (UTC)

AWB only finding first template problem
If more than one of the same template problem happens (in this case missing brackets), it only alerts the first one. The first quote template in this edit, first IPA template in this edit, found the first {{template)), but not second in this edit] Bgwhite (talk) 08:51, 31 December 2012 (UTC)

orphan
Hi. Yobot declared Panasonic Lumix DMC-TZ3 as an orphan. At least Lumix links there and did before 5 December 2012‎, 19:11. So maybe the bot has a bug? If not, you should think about changing your message, because as it is it leads to finding a wrong message and doing nothing (because the bot inserted a wrong message). The orphan template has an option for "few" links. I personally think, more than one link will be very difficult for an article of cameras like this; so there is no reason for the orphan template there. And I'm happy these articles exist and I use them often even if they don't have more than one link. Greetings, -- 217.224.224.24 (talk) 12:27, 31 December 2012 (UTC)
 * It was a bug. I have now fixed it. -- Magioladitis (talk) 12:29, 31 December 2012 (UTC)
 * so perhaps you should think about checking the bots edits? Greetings and thanks, -- 217.224.224.24 (talk) 12:30, 31 December 2012 (UTC)
 * The bug was reported for the first time on December 5th i.e. the very same day the bot ran. Less than 50 pages have been affected. I checked most of the edits and I am going to do a re-check right now. I may have missed some but it's not a big problem since willing editors are working on adding appropriate wikilinks. Thanks for the report and a Happy New Year! -- Magioladitis (talk) 13:26, 31 December 2012 (UTC)
 * I'm running my bot over all the articles tagged as orphans in December to remove any orphan tags that are no longer valid, including Panasonic Lumix DMC-TZ3. I also made some manual changes to the categorization and stub template.  Happy New Year!  GoingBatty (talk) 15:53, 31 December 2012 (UTC)

&n/&m-dash, etc
Hi Magioladitis, after further consideration and various talks with others I'm inclined to go along with the en/em dash convention, such that it is. Interestingly I discovered that not only are there other bots placing these codes into the various pages but at the same time there are even other bots going around doing the opposite, converting &n/&m-dashes to plain ol dashes, or hyphens, so I've heard anyways from User:RockMagnetist. How is that allowed to happen? Isn't there a 'bot coordinator' or someone who knows what's going on with bot activity overall? Anyway, at this point I think it would be best if I just stepped back in the face of all of this circular activity. Besides, GA and FA reviewers make these demands, so on that note, when you get around to it, unleash Yobot and turn her lose on the Bibliography of early American naval history and convert the 'dashes' and 'p.' before someone else does. HNY. -- Gwillhickers (talk) 23:34, 2 January 2013 (UTC)
 * Hi. Do you know which bot conflicts with which? I may can help in solving this. I ran general fixes on the page above and added non-breaking spaces where needed, I removed equal sign after ISBN in order to let ISBN magic prevail and I fixed a dash. I'll investigate more on your question tomorrow since it's late here right now. HNY!!! -- Magioladitis (talk) 01:31, 3 January 2013 (UTC)
 * I asked Rock' but he couldn't recall the bot's name. Yes, seems there should be some sort of overall record of bot activity in terms of coordinating which bot is doing what. Re: ISBN links on the Bibliography of early American naval history, I don't know if you read the intro' at the time but because of the hundreds of links on the one page (w/ many citebook templates originally used) I thought it best to keep the overall number of links in general to a minimum because at one time the page was having load/editing problems from too many links overall. Since your edit I made a number of edits on that page and there seems to be no lag when I hit the 'save-button' so all the added ISBN links present no issue there, so far. Not sure what a 100 and more isbn links will do.  We'll see eventually. -- Gwillhickers (talk) 04:45, 4 January 2013 (UTC)
 * As far as I know the ISBN links won't cause any problems. Problems may be caused if there is a large number of templates transcluded. ISBN is rendered directly by MediaWiki. -- Magioladitis (talk) 08:19, 4 January 2013 (UTC)

Yobot removing alt text when fixing image param in football bio infobox
Hello. As per section heading, e.g. this edit. I'll fix this one, and was reluctant to stop the bot running, but if there are many of these, perhaps it should be stopped and fixed? cheers, Struway2 (talk) 19:01, 3 January 2013 (UTC)
 * Thanks for fixing this one. I'll have a look. -- Magioladitis (talk) 19:21, 3 January 2013 (UTC)

Request for Comment
Articles_for_deletion/Robert_Ray_Fry. Because of recent contributions, you appear to have specialized knowledge and interest to comment on application of WP:NOT to convicted serial killer. aar095 08:19, 5 January 2013 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Aar095 (talk • contribs)
 * Hm... this is serious. I'll ask more admins to have a look. -- Magioladitis (talk) 08:33, 5 January 2013 (UTC)

Thanks. An otherwise notable article should not be deleted because a fellow newbie and i made some mistakes! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Aar095 (talk • contribs) 09:25, 5 January 2013 (UTC)

oops, too late. The verdict was "no consensus" but "given the interplay of paid editing/COI/ in the article creation and sockpuppetry in this discussion I will delete the article. No prejudice to speedy recreation with reliable sourcing, and I will userfy a copy of this article on request. Xymmax." The thing is, it HAD good sourcing. Do you recommend that I resubmit as is? Thing is, meanie and i are working on 5-6 other serial killer stubs but "once bitten [by exclusionist dogs] twice shy." Please advise. aar095 18:00, 5 January 2013 (UTC)

Xymmax was kind enough to userfy it. Let me know if this should be resubmitted or revised and, if so, by whom? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Aar095 (talk • contribs) 21:41, 5 January 2013 (UTC)
 * There is a page for that. Check New contributors' help page. -- Magioladitis (talk) 22:45, 5 January 2013 (UTC)

If you change your mind, and decide to comment on whether to resubmit the Fry serial murder page, we moved it into a sandbox for now:
 * I'll try to do but I have some other tasks to finish first and this seems to be a sensitive matter. Article building is always a difficult task. I'll try to help during the week. -- Magioladitis (talk) 00:18, 6 January 2013 (UTC)
 * Thanks! No rush. We are already sitting in the sandbox, though the last admin admits it was a close call with no consensus. If I can get you and at least one other impartial admin to vet the stub for WP:NOT, we should be good to go. We had a couple of random votes to KEEP. What sunk the article wasn't its notability or content, but our main KEEP voter used a "sockpuppet" and everything went downhill from there. I learned a new term. Aar095 (talk) 00:50, 7 January 2013 (UTC) Go to Article: Robert Ray Fry.

Please see this message...
when you are back from Wikibreak! --Tito Dutta (talk) 02:45, 13 January 2013 (UTC)
 * Please also see last four posts of User_talk:Bgwhite. Is there any settings library? --Tito Dutta (talk) 09:03, 18 January 2013 (UTC)
 * What is the problem exactly? I am confused! -- Magioladitis (talk) 13:28, 18 January 2013 (UTC)
 * a) Verbatim search (search exactly what you type) b) AWB common settings files. --Tito Dutta (talk) 13:36, 18 January 2013 (UTC)

WP Infoboxes in the Signpost
The WikiProject Report would like to focus on WikiProject Infoboxes for a Signpost article. This is an excellent opportunity to draw attention to your efforts and attract new members to the project. Would you be willing to participate in an interview? If so, here are the questions for the interview. Just add your response below each question and feel free to skip any questions that you don't feel comfortable answering. Multiple editors will have an opportunity to respond to the interview questions, so be sure to sign your answers. If you know anyone else who would like to participate in the interview, please share this with them. Have a great day. –Mabeenot (talk) 22:46, 15 January 2013 (UTC)

Chasaren
http://www.spiegel.de/wissenschaft/mensch/geografischer-ursprung-europaeischer-juden-in-suedosteuropa-a-878384.html — Preceding unsigned comment added by 91.60.37.39 (talk) 20:58, 18 January 2013 (UTC)

DYK for Jatindra Mohan Sengupta
The DYK project (nominate) 02:03, 19 January 2013 (UTC)

Yobot causing problems you said were fixed
After spending more time cleaning up your bot's mess; it's time to shut it down until it no longer causes these problems.

Hello. There is currently a discussion at Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents regarding an issue with which you may have been involved. Thank you.

Carlossuarez46 (talk) 19:54, 22 January 2013 (UTC)
 * Hi. Thanks for the heads up. -- Magioladitis (talk) 20:00, 22 January 2013 (UTC)
 * Problem solved without having to update AWB's code. I just added a skip condition for pages with Short pages monitor. -- Magioladitis (talk) 20:10, 22 January 2013 (UTC)
 * Bug fixed as well. Check Wikipedia_talk:AutoWikiBrowser/Bugs/Archive_21. I underline once more that the Manual of Style still needs to be updated. -- Magioladitis (talk) 21:11, 22 January 2013 (UTC)

Please be careful
With this edit you "fixed" a problem with an empty "pages=" parameter by removing a second populated "pages=" parameter and moving the empty "pages=" parameter to where the populated "pages=" had been. -- PBS (talk) 17:50, 23 January 2013 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the heads up! -- Magioladitis (talk) 17:54, 23 January 2013 (UTC)

WP:JAZZ tagging
Howdy, in the WP:JAZZ tagging request, you last mentioned that you were going to do another run for the album categories. However, after that the section was moved to the archive page. Just wondering if there was any subsequent update. Thank you, -- Gyrofrog (talk) 18:09, 23 January 2013 (UTC)
 * Hm... I never did a second run but I was already 99% done. I can have another look but only by the end of this month. -- Magioladitis (talk) 18:11, 23 January 2013 (UTC)
 * Thanks! -- Gyrofrog (talk) 20:02, 23 January 2013 (UTC)

Could you take a look
Could you take a look at User talk:Bgwhite. The article's syntax was wrong in the first place, but the edit is still bad. Bgwhite (talk) 18:47, 24 January 2013 (UTC)
 * I took a look. -- Magioladitis (talk) 21:27, 24 January 2013 (UTC)

Orphan tag
We have checked external wiki articles, such as, Litton's Weekend Adventure and Richard Wiese, and they both successfully redirect back to Born to Explore with Richard Wiese article. As such, we are unclear as to why we still have the orphan tag. We have tried to remove it ourself without result. Thank you for you assistance in this matter. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Kevinoconn (talk • contribs) 20:45, 24 January 2013 (UTC)
 * You could remove it. :) -- Magioladitis (talk) 20:54, 24 January 2013 (UTC)
 * I removed it. Remember to read WP:BEBOLD -- Magioladitis (talk) 21:26, 24 January 2013 (UTC)
 * Remember that Orphan states that redirects don't count toward the one incoming link. However, I used the Find link tool (which is part of the text of the orphan template) and added a link from List of programs broadcast by American Broadcasting Company to Born to Explore with Richard Wiese.  Having done that, I removed the orphan template.  Happy editing!  GoingBatty (talk) 03:14, 25 January 2013 (UTC)

List for error #10
This is only a partial list as program is currently running, but it is enough to make you cry.

List is at User:Bgwhite/Sandbox1. Bgwhite (talk) 19:38, 25 January 2013 (UTC)


 * All 4,444 articles are now listed in the sandbox page. Thank goodness there are duplicates.  There was a problem printing out accented letters.  I had utf8 selected, but I guess I need to change it.  Bgwhite (talk) 22:27, 25 January 2013 (UTC)
 * 3,700 with no duplicates. Too risky to do with a bot. I already reported two similar bugs. -- Magioladitis (talk) 01:09, 26 January 2013 (UTC)
 * Well get at it. You haven't done much this month :)
 * I asked Scottywong to have snotbot to run a list of error #83. There are ~1,700 articles on the list.
 * Looking at the AWB bug list yesterday, I noticed Rjwilmsi asked a question. He wants some examples of ].] $nbsp; ],] and ] ]   I've got one, so hopefully we can find some.  These are found in error #10. Bgwhite (talk) 03:30, 26 January 2013 (UTC)

Today's article for improvement and the main page
The development for TAFI has progressed significantly over the last few weeks, and we are prepared to launch the new feature on the main page for Feb 9th at 0:00 UTC. Concensus was established that the TAFI content should be placed below the DYK content. An example page has been created to show what it would look like. I would like to invite you and several other admins who have recently edited the Main Page to swing by this discussion to help us hammer out the final logistics of integrating the content onto the main page. -- Nick Penguin ( contribs ) 18:01, 26 January 2013 (UTC)

Hugh Walpole
Thank you for your improvements to his article. By coincidence I was this very week in the churchyard where he is buried, and the Keswick community has woken up and is celebrating the dear old thing! Tim riley (talk) 21:51, 26 January 2013 (UTC)
 * I didn't do much. It seems you can help more by improving the article further us giving us more information about him. The article is well written. Happy editing! -- Magioladitis (talk) 21:55, 26 January 2013 (UTC)

Yobot destroyed Dash
In Dash, the &amp;#xnnnn; notation is deliberately used in the source, as the characters addressed by this notation are explained in that article. Especially, Yobot changed a sequence of four tildes notated that way into a signature, which is completely silly. I undid the complete change, as I had no time to select which of the many changes were useful and which were destructive. -- Karl432 (talk) 13:20, 27 January 2013 (UTC)
 * No problem. Thanks for the heads up. I'll try to find a way to fix the problem. -- Magioladitis (talk) 18:29, 27 January 2013 (UTC)

Tagging as stub
Hi, I wonder by what rule you tagged Geography of Palestine as a stub? It had already been tagged as a stub, then as a dab, then neither, and I'd added the longcomment template to try to prevent it happening again. It isn't a dab, it isn't a stub, it's a sort of forked redirect and appears to be quite useful. What does it need to prevent it being tagged as a stub again? Pam D  14:31, 27 January 2013 (UTC)
 * I added Geography of the Palestinian territories to the links. This was enough to pass the lower byte limit. -- Magioladitis (talk) 18:26, 27 January 2013 (UTC)
 * Thanks. Pam  D  19:09, 27 January 2013 (UTC)

Royal Succession Bills and Acts.
Hi Magioladitis, I have just re-written and inserted a new "Modern bills and acts" section, which may be in editing conflict with your recent edits. Would you mind re-doing your edits on that section? Thanks Steve. Stephen2nd (talk) 15:27, 28 January 2013 (UTC)
 * No problem. Thanks for letting me know. -- Magioladitis (talk) 15:28, 28 January 2013 (UTC)
 * I have re-inserted the line-breaks in the "Henry VIII" section to center the texts in between the images, so as to balance out the overall-artistic-image of this section. Is this acceptable? Stephen2nd (talk) 16:11, 28 January 2013 (UTC)
 * The correct is to use . The use of break tags may give different results depending on the monitor resolution. -- Magioladitis (talk) 16:24, 28 January 2013 (UTC)
 * Didn't know that, thanks for the info. On a different matter, I have used "mouse-over" on the green-numerals in the "modern" section, and may use it again on some of the other images (births, deaths &c), should I mention this somewhere in the article? Steve. Stephen2nd (talk) 16:35, 28 January 2013 (UTC)
 * I don't know about that. Maybe. I suggest you ask WP:ACCESSIBILITY. -- Magioladitis (talk) 16:38, 28 January 2013 (UTC)

Whitespace fixing
I did some limited whitespace fixing (5-10 edits) in my last edits hoping this will trigger the toolserver not to relist the same items again. -- Magioladitis (talk) 15:49, 28 January 2013 (UTC)
 * It seems it worked. -- Magioladitis (talk) 13:29, 4 February 2013 (UTC)

Vietnamese letter in AWB
In Dương Thuỷ, AWB didn't recognize whatever ỷ is and turn it into y. I'm running 8872. ´ is another one. ´ -> ' Bgwhite (talk) 08:59, 29 January 2013 (UTC)
 * and . -- Magioladitis (talk) 09:18, 29 January 2013 (UTC)
 * Another Vietnamese one. ẫ -> a Bgwhite (talk) 17:59, 29 January 2013 (UTC)
 * Turkish letter İ -> I
 * ` is another one. ` -> ' Bgwhite (talk) 20:05, 29 January 2013 (UTC)
 * . Bugfix for the Vietnamese one, I see the Turkish one already, added the latter. -- Magioladitis (talk) 20:26, 29 January 2013 (UTC)
 * ō found in List of Nintama Rantarō episodes (series 2) Bgwhite (talk) 21:10, 29 January 2013 (UTC)
 * This is already being fixed. I wonder some of them are not fixed for you. -- Magioladitis (talk) 22:33, 29 January 2013 (UTC)
 * Try Yusuf İsmail in AWB. It doesn't change the Turkish letter İ. Bgwhite (talk) 23:10, 29 January 2013 (UTC)
 * No idea why. -- Magioladitis (talk) 07:01, 30 January 2013 (UTC)
 * In Tools.cs, İ is in twice, would that cause a problem? Line #1258 and #1347 Bgwhite (talk) 08:36, 30 January 2013 (UTC)
 * I thought I fixed that? -- Magioladitis (talk) 23:17, 30 January 2013 (UTC)
 * I was only upto 8875 and you fixed it in 8876 a 1/2 hour before I said the above. Hmmm, fixing errors just before I encounter them.  Using your physic powers again are we? Bgwhite (talk) 23:55, 30 January 2013 (UTC)
 * I sense you want to search for more duplicates so... . -- Magioladitis (talk) 00:03, 31 January 2013 (UTC)

In Mẫu Thượng Ngàn ẫ -> a. Bgwhite (talk) 23:33, 29 January 2013 (UTC)
 * I see the change in line 997 of Tools.cs -- Magioladitis (talk) 06:49, 30 January 2013 (UTC)
 * It works for me. . Do you have "Restrict change/addition" checked? It should be unchecked. -- Magioladitis (talk) 06:54, 30 January 2013 (UTC)
 * Been changing hundreds of defaultsorts today, so it is unchecked. Very strange... but enough about me.  Bgwhite (talk) 07:14, 30 January 2013 (UTC)

Sant Llorenc de Balafia has ς in defaultsort. I don't see that character in Tools.cs
 * Greek sigma is completely unexpected in defaultsort. It should be fixed manually.

Sheet'ká Ḵwáan Naa Kahídi has Ḵ. I don't see that character in Tools.cs
 * ✅ for the whole series of characters with macron below.

Soagŋojávri has ŋ. I don't see that character in Tools.cs Bgwhite (talk) 08:36, 30 January 2013 (UTC)
 * What should be the correct character? n? -- Magioladitis (talk) 12:49, 30 January 2013 (UTC)
 * Yes, n.  Did you see my note above about İ being in Tools.cs twice?  Pfft, Greek sigma.  I don't care about Greek letters or any stinking Greeks.  I know one Greek on Wikipedia and can barely stand him.... Bgwhite (talk) 20:13, 30 January 2013 (UTC)
 * -- Magioladitis (talk) 00:03, 31 January 2013 (UTC)

Updates to Norwich State Hospital article
First of all, thanks for the recent updates. I am in the process of writing a book about four of my ancestors who were patients there. I have been going over all the biennial reports of the hospital and other historical documents pertaining to the hospital. I hope that this is the right place to inform you of errors or omissions. I do not want to edit the page myself, as I am busy with my own writing. Here are a few things that I thought might be added or changed.

The Bryan Building was built many years before 1949. According to the document you cited as #17 in the References, it was purchased by the hospital in 1946 (see p. 18 of the PDF). Previously, it was the New London County Temporary Home. I have an ancestor who was a resident of that building from 1935 to 1941, so it is at least that old. If I come across a date for it, I will let you know.

I would recommend adding this book to the references. Chapter III is entitled "Norwich Hospital (1904-1972)":

Carini, Esta, et al. The Mentally Ill in Connecticut: Changing Patterns of Care and the Evolution of Psychiatric Nursing 1636-1972. Hartford : State of Connecticut, Dept. of Mental Health, 1974.

TackyJulie (talk) 14:45, 29 January 2013 (UTC)

An uncommercial and free numerical library: finaquant protos
Hello Magioladitis

I am the author and primary developer of the free .net library with table functions: http://finaquant.com/products/finaquantprotos

Wiki has a page where the numerical libraries are listed: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_numerical_libraries

I checked the libraries under the category .NET and realized that some of the listed libraries are even commercial.

All these libraries has a special information page at wiki.

I think, as an uncommercial .net library finaquant protos also deserves a wiki page. This is possibly the first java or .net library at all comprising table functions.

How can I find an editor who could compose a wiki page for finaquant protos?

How can I help the editor for writing this page?

Regards Tunc A. Kütükcüoglu tuncalik@finaquant.com 85.2.33.160 (talk) 20:53, 31 January 2013 (UTC)

Cricketer
Don't panic. In a few hours the infoboxes will look normal again. -- Magioladitis (talk) 22:26, 1 February 2013 (UTC)
 * Everything fixed within a few hours. -- Magioladitis (talk) 13:26, 4 February 2013 (UTC)

discussion of one of your edits
I've started this discussion of one of your edits and some issues that it raises. Michael Hardy (talk) 17:47, 2 February 2013 (UTC)
 * Thanks for letting me know. -- Magioladitis (talk) 17:50, 2 February 2013 (UTC)
 * I left a comment there. More people contributed. -- Magioladitis (talk) 13:27, 4 February 2013 (UTC)

How do you find your information

 * EDIT* I am updating my previous post. I see it was not specifically you that updated the Kickstarter information, and the person that did does not have a user page. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.190.165.27 (talk) 08:20, 3 February 2013 (UTC)

Hi, I am interested in a new game in production, Asylum, and you recently did an update about the Kickstarter drive for money that the game creator has started. It is amazing to me that such information like that would get posted/updated so quickly, and I am curious how you come about such information and find time to update things of that sort. Anyway, thanks for making wikipedia a fascinating place. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.190.165.27 (talk) 08:15, 3 February 2013 (UTC)
 * You can still contact that person by leaving them a question in their talk page. They may answer. I only did some minor changes on the page. -- Magioladitis (talk) 08:24, 3 February 2013 (UTC)

Worthless AWB edit
Edits like this one aren't really helpful. Worthless edits like that don't improve Wikipedia and just clog article history and spam watch lists. If you could avoid making those in the future it would be appreciated. See WP:AWB item 4: "Do not make insignificant or inconsequential edits." Quale (talk) 13:03, 4 February 2013 (UTC)
 * True. There is a short backlog with pages with lowercase File namespace. I'll try to combine it with more significant edits. -- Magioladitis (talk) 13:04, 4 February 2013 (UTC)
 * If you don't have a more significant edit, then leave it alone. Lower case file is not an error.  It's an AWB author idiosyncrasy that that is in the edit list at all.  There is no reason to prefer File to file, so I would prefer that this edit never be made—just leave it alone.  This was really an issue with Rich Farmbrough.  Quale (talk) 13:09, 4 February 2013 (UTC)
 * There was a couple of guys who requested that and I am trying to do it without having to implement it as a AWB code change. I agree with you though. I don't find it useful neither. -- Magioladitis (talk) 13:12, 4 February 2013 (UTC)
 * Another opinion here that it's useless: in this case, it's changing the case within a commented-out note on infobox usage. Lady  of  Shalott  19:16, 4 February 2013 (UTC)
 * I stopped doing it after the comments of Quale. This infobox needs more reforms in fact. The current tread is to use bare filenames in the image. (Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Infoboxes) -- Magioladitis (talk) 19:47, 4 February 2013 (UTC)
 * I cleared my list. AWB won't feature this kind of changes. I'll leave a message who requested this task. -- Magioladitis (talk) 20:31, 4 February 2013 (UTC)


 * Hi, these very minor edits are becoming an issue, M, because they fill up the watchlists with edits that make no difference. Edits like this one, and also file to File, reflist to Reflist, see to further, adding spaces under headers, sometimes multiple times on the same article. I've started a discussion about it at Wikipedia talk:AutoWikiBrowser. If you could comment there, that would be helpful. SlimVirgin (talk) 00:02, 5 February 2013 (UTC)

Wikipedia_talk:AutoWikiBrowser/Feature_requests. -- Magioladitis (talk) 21:05, 4 February 2013 (UTC)
 * Are you really an AWB developer? How can you not follow the rules? Quale (talk) 03:11, 7 February 2013 (UTC)
 * I try to please everyone sometimes. It's not a big deal afterall since this was never implemented in AWB. -- Magioladitis (talk) 08:12, 7 February 2013 (UTC)

Persecution of Serbs and other non-Albanians in Kosovo
Ja su!:) There are "certain" people who are interested to delete this page Articles_for_deletion/Persecution_of_Serbs_and_other_non-Albanians_in_Kosovo. I can not understand why that should be deleted. Perhaps do you want the help to maintain the site or tell your opinion. PS. I was many many times in Essen. best wishes to city of Essen :). --Nado158 (talk) 19:43, 4 February 2013 (UTC)

Infobox book
I just noticed that the image caption on A Quiet Drink is now left justified, and a Category:Infobox book image param needs updating has appeared; I suspect you are responsible for this; are these changes expected ? What do I need to do to centralize the caption and remove the category ? Thanks GrahamHardy (talk) 23:15, 4 February 2013 (UTC)
 * I made the category disappear. Give me some time to figure out the other matter. -- Magioladitis (talk) 23:29, 4 February 2013 (UTC)
 * there is a typo in the template, you need to change

to notice the missing leading { before {{caption. Frietjes (talk) 23:35, 4 February 2013 (UTC)
 * caption     =
 * caption     =
 * Fixed. I noticed myself just now. -- Magioladitis (talk) 23:38, 4 February 2013 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!
Thanks! I really appreciate it. :) I agree to the comments too but I, sometimes, have to please everyone. -- Magioladitis (talk) 12:53, 5 February 2013 (UTC)

Bug?
Could you take a look at Help talk:Category Bgwhite (talk) 17:52, 5 February 2013 (UTC)

I just filed an AWB bug report on an edit you made. It is Wikipedia talk:AutoWikiBrowser/Bugs. It was reported on another user's talk page. Bgwhite (talk) 05:51, 6 February 2013 (UTC)
 * Bug fixed. -- Magioladitis (talk) 08:09, 7 February 2013 (UTC)

Aura Sonic
Aura Sonic article is no longer an orphan.JLurie12 (talk) 19:37, 8 February 2013 (UTC)
 * You can untag then! WP:BEBOLD. -- Magioladitis (talk) 19:42, 8 February 2013 (UTC)

63
I know AWB doesn't fix this and I think (but not sure) that checkwiki catches this. undefined or undefined. I had to do a F/R to fix these cases. Bgwhite (talk) 22:12, 10 February 2013 (UTC)
 * Oh, could you archive some of talk discussions? It takes forever to load your page. Bgwhite (talk) 22:13, 10 February 2013 (UTC)
 * Now we fix these too. -- Magioladitis (talk) 22:26, 10 February 2013 (UTC)

A case AWB is not picking up
Your talk page has been blank far too long...

I'm seeing alot of cases of. Bgwhite (talk) 08:02, 15 February 2013 (UTC)
 * I begged many times that cite web is deleted but... -- Magioladitis (talk) 13:26, 15 February 2013 (UTC)
 * How to put this... In my web cam, I'm giving you a μούτζα for that snide remark... never mind it made me laugh. Bgwhite (talk) 19:20, 15 February 2013 (UTC)
 * AWB can't tell if these unbalanced brackets belong to a wikilink or to a template. We could of course make rules for cite foo but I find it unpleasant since I believe this kind of wikilinks should not exist. -- Magioladitis (talk) 22:49, 15 February 2013 (UTC)
 * Talk:Cite web. -- Magioladitis (talk) 22:49, 15 February 2013 (UTC)
 * I don't like it for a different reason. Too many cases where people add newspaper or journal parameters into a cite web template Bgwhite (talk) 23:08, 15 February 2013 (UTC)
 * I fixed all the instances. It's a bit rare. -- Magioladitis (talk) 18:22, 18 February 2013 (UTC)

Am I using an old version of AWB?
I was in AWB and I checked for updates and there weren't any; however, it is still trying to add Wikify which has been totally deprecated and produces an error message. My version is 8414, is that the newest version? Ryan Vesey 19:20, 16 February 2013 (UTC)
 * Your version is really old! Please go here http://toolserver.org/~awb/snapshots/ and download rev 8853. -- Magioladitis (talk) 19:26, 16 February 2013 (UTC)
 * I just removed wikify from a dozen articles, and added notes on the talk pages of four users to install the SVN snapshot. Could you please remind us why a new version of AWB can't be released now?  Thanks!  GoingBatty (talk) 19:38, 18 February 2013 (UTC)
 * I totally agree and I have also been "bugging" Magioladitis.  The person we really need to bug is Rjwilmsi. Bgwhite (talk) 20:17, 18 February 2013 (UTC)
 * A new version has been released, 8853, or am I misinterpreting "released". In any case, I suggest doing the thing that won't let people use AWB unless they update. Ryan Vesey 20:25, 18 February 2013 (UTC)
 * You are misinterpreting. 8853 is an SVN release.  We are talking about an "official" release.  There are alot of people who don't bother with SVN releases.
 * With an official release, a person will be bugged with a message to upgrade their version of AWB and their old version will not work.
 * With an SVN release, it is voluntary to upgrade.
 * Last official release was 4 September 2012. The one before that was July 2011.  Going 14 months between official releases is just too long. Bgwhite (talk) 20:50, 18 February 2013 (UTC)
 * Thanks for clarifying my request, Bgwhite. I've invited Rjwilmsi to join this conversation.  GoingBatty (talk) 21:11, 18 February 2013 (UTC)
 * If SVN releases aren't buggy shouldn't every SVN release be an official release? It doesn't make sense to correct an error, but allow people who are unaware of the error to keep making it. Ryan Vesey 21:45, 18 February 2013 (UTC)
 * I'm OK with having frequent (or more frequent) SVN releases to ensure that power users can beta test new functionality, and that occasional users aren't asked to upgrade every time they use the software. However, I would like to see official releases more often, especially to keep up with the continually adjusting consensus at the English Wikipedia.  Thanks!  GoingBatty (talk) 21:48, 18 February 2013 (UTC)
 * Till now official releases meant that I, Rjwilmsi and Reedy would proof read all the revisions since the last official release. Due to our time limitations this is very difficult. We 'll try to release more often in the future. -- Magioladitis (talk) 21:53, 18 February 2013 (UTC)
 * Just removed wikify from another 41 articles, and notified 5 more AWB newbies. GoingBatty (talk) 04:01, 26 February 2013 (UTC)


 * It's not even officially a beta version, and the fact that it's a 'SVN' and one is an 'official' version bothers me. I don't really know what the former involves, but I'm one of those reluctant to use it because I don't know why it's so named, and what risks I will be running by using it. --  Ohconfucius  ping / poke 04:36, 26 February 2013 (UTC)
 * There are no risks on running versions that are uploaded in the toolserver. The only notable differences are that log and a profiling file are saved in AWB's category in your hard disc which shows if a page opened/closed correctly and the process time of each procedure. This helps us in case you report a bug. The other difference is that toolserver versions don't allow saving empty pages. We 'll soon provide "release" versions on the toolserver too. -- Magioladitis (talk) 05:47, 26 February 2013 (UTC)
 * I assume that 'SVN' is to do with SVN branch. -- Red rose64 (talk) 13:30, 26 February 2013 (UTC)
 * Just notified another 3 people who were using an old version of AWB which adds wikify. In addition, I confirmed that the release version is also changing the new version of multiple issues back to the old version and adding wikify.  GoingBatty (talk) 03:31, 7 March 2013 (UTC)

I applied for an account to the toolserver and soon we will be able to upload a new release version. -- Magioladitis (talk) 06:05, 7 March 2013 (UTC)
 * GoingBatty (talk) 03:49, 8 March 2013 (UTC)

Infobox in George Carter (cricketer, born 1846)
Yobot has made a bit of a mess in the infobox with a red error message appearing due to date of death and placenames including ",, uk". Can you have a look, please? Jack | talk page 15:06, 17 February 2013 (UTC)
 * The ",, uk" was nothing to do with it - birth_place and death_place are both free-form text parameters. The problem was that two of the parameters in were left blank - this template requires six positional parameters: two sets of year month day. -- Red rose64 (talk) 16:05, 17 February 2013 (UTC)
 * Thanks everyone for fixing this. It's a rare problem and I am done with the cricketer's infoboxes. I don't think there more problem but if there are I'll be happy to fix them. -- Magioladitis (talk) 20:02, 17 February 2013 (UTC)

checkwiki and dump
Over six month since Stefan ran a dump against checkwiki and he decided to do it today. Not good timing. 103,000 entries for #47?? I've check some total and they closely match what we got on our dump scan. #61 is an obvious one that is way different. Stefan has 11,000 articles where we got 32,000, but Stefan doesn't check for commas, semi-colons or colons. I'll go over and clean the entries that we have already done, if they closely match. Will leave the others for you to look at. Bgwhite (talk) 06:14, 18 February 2013 (UTC)
 * #80 we have waaay more. #34 we have waay more.  #46 we have waay more. #16 (unicode) Stefan has 550 articles.  Bgwhite (talk) 06:48, 18 February 2013 (UTC)
 * We now know the procedure. I just did #20 and started doing #16. -- Magioladitis (talk) 06:51, 18 February 2013 (UTC)
 * #49 is done. We had more articles than Stefan's list did.  Difference was our list contained instances of and inside tables.  I finished off both lists. Bgwhite (talk) 08:47, 18 February 2013 (UTC)
 * #16: Stefan catches pages in File namespace too. -- Magioladitis (talk) 14:07, 18 February 2013 (UTC)
 * I just did #16. Maybe you could a search in the database for us too? -- Magioladitis (talk) 14:26, 18 February 2013 (UTC)

Addbot was just approved for removing interwiki links. First bot to be approved for the task. FrescotBot 11 task looks to be up your alley to comment on. Bgwhite (talk) 01:40, 19 February 2013 (UTC)

CHECKWIKI error 16
This keeps happening, but I get the feeling you're not looking at the result of your AWB use. The edit you've repeatedly done reverses the subject's name from "Latif Yahia" to "Yahia Latif" which is not his name. If there's a better fix than the control character (rtl space), please advise. If you can read Arabic and your AWB fix doesn't reverse things on your browser, let me know. Cheers. JFHJr (㊟) 15:40, 18 February 2013 (UTC)


 * ...Actually I think I might have fixed it. Can you see if text at Latif Yahia still comes up as an error 16? Any way the AWB fix might recognize and replace a right-to-left space between two RTL words, so as not to reverse them? Cheers. JFHJr (㊟) 16:03, 18 February 2013 (UTC)
 * Thanks for fixing it. Page is OK now. I still haven't figured when these reverses happen. I only have noticed that there are rare. I try not to make this mistake but I keep failing. -- Magioladitis (talk) 16:53, 18 February 2013 (UTC)
 * No fail! If anything, I failed to communicate outside edit summaries until now. It must be an issue of how an original editor entered the characters before the fix happens, a rare mistake thankfully. It's something that can be repaired through normal editing, after all. Thanks again, and sorry to bug you! JFHJr (㊟) 17:52, 18 February 2013 (UTC)
 * Anytime. On of the most interesting things about editing in Wikipedia is communication. I learned a lot about discussing and cooperating all these years. And yes, I improved my English. :) -- Magioladitis (talk) 18:10, 18 February 2013 (UTC)

AWB : linked pages
Hi,

And sorry for my English. I would like have some help about this program if it's possible.

Do you know what the utility of this page : AutoWikiBrowser/Sandbox ?

And if the subpages of this page : AutoWikiBrowser/Settings are useful for others projects than English wikipedia ? I ask this because in the subpages like AutoWikiBrowser/Settings/lifetime, I can see this type of code : <Project>wikipedia</Project> <LanguageCode>en</LanguageCode> That's why I don't understand if this kind of adds are useful for others projects.

I've surely others questions, but I don't know if you've the time for.

Thanks you by advance. Automatik (talk) 23:36, 20 February 2013 (UTC)
 * Any idea? Automatik (talk) 13:24, 14 March 2013 (UTC)

You can use AutoWikiBrowser/Sandbox to experiment on AWB's bevaviour. It is used to simulate general fixes on a page.

Some subpages of AutoWikiBrowser/Settings are useful to other projects too. LanguageCode is used to define the default project. after loading the settings you can still modify the settings. The lifetime related code should only be used on English wikipedia because other wikipedias don't substitute this template. I hope I helped a bit. -- Magioladitis (talk) 13:43, 14 March 2013 (UTC)


 * Thank you so much. And why AutoWikiBrowser/Sandbox is now a redirect? How you do display your message (automatically, I suppose) in the summary box? Thanks by advance. Automatik (talk) 19:32, 14 March 2013 (UTC)
 * Magioladitis probably changed the sandbox because he was testing how AWB would process redirect pages. For information about the edit summary box, see AutoWikiBrowser/User manual.  GoingBatty (talk) 23:59, 14 March 2013 (UTC)
 * Thanks. For the summary box, I wanted to talk about [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Magioladitis&diff=544095372&oldid=544091408 this]. Automatik (talk) 02:23, 15 March 2013 (UTC)

non-printable Unicode character as the entire title
I'm pretty sure this isn't right, but not sure what to do about it. The article is 💮. Bgwhite (talk) 06:19, 21 February 2013 (UTC)
 * Someone added R from unicode. I think we are fine now. -- Magioladitis (talk) 15:03, 20 April 2013 (UTC)

Hi
Can you help find out why the election symbols in various Nepalese political party article are not shown (see for example Communist Party of Nepal (Unified))? I can't find the recent change in template that made them disappear. Now all of these files are tagged for deletion. --Soman (talk) 07:58, 25 February 2013 (UTC)
 * It was, which has used both header59 and data59 - in an , headern and datan items cannot share the same value for n (even though that is legal for labeln and datan items). I've . -- Red rose64 (talk) 13:19, 25 February 2013 (UTC)

Minorities in Greece
Hello. I see that you reverted a group of my edits on that page. Your explanation is "Article discusses recognised minorities by the Greek state". Why should it be so? The name of the article is not "Minorities as recognized by the Greek government", so any minority, regardless of the government policies should be part of the article as long as they have encyclopedic significance. On the other hand, I believe you meant the Turkish minority in Greece by that explanation. However, an important part of my edits which you reverted were about the Muslim minority, which the Greek government recognizes! There is an ongoing discussion about that edits in the talk page, would you like to explain your point there? I am awaiting for your comments. Filanca (talk) 11:02, 26 February 2013 (UTC)

Just for you
You may be interested in Bots/Requests for approval/BattyBot 19, my proposal to start converting old Multiple issues templates to the new format, but only for those where the old format is causing a problem. GoingBatty (talk) 04:04, 27 February 2013 (UTC)
 * I expressed my POV. -- Magioladitis (talk) 10:03, 27 February 2013 (UTC)

Have you ever wondered why you need to close HTML tags?
http://sewingandembroiderywarehouse.com/embtrb.htm This storefront was done in Frontpage, so of course it works just fine in IE, but not in anything else. Bgwhite (talk) 06:02, 27 February 2013 (UTC)
 * We can keep this to show in case someone asks us about it :) -- Magioladitis (talk) 22:25, 27 February 2013 (UTC)

Wildbot tag nudge
Some time's past since the last purge of the wildbot log. Today, we need to remove 282 of 2417 tags. It's been nearly 3 years since mass tagging started and we only seen exponential decay, maybe we should to mass purge them? — Dispenser 17:35, 1 March 2013 (UTC)
 * I am OK with that as long as we have consensus to do it. It seems the idea worked but not it was not perfect. -- Magioladitis (talk) 17:47, 1 March 2013 (UTC)
 * Tag removed from the 282 pages. -- Magioladitis (talk) 18:20, 1 March 2013 (UTC)
 * Tag removed from the 25 pages today. -- Magioladitis (talk) 21:50, 17 April 2013 (UTC)

Yobot
Yobot seems to do wrong things, check out this: http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Limescale&diff=537550843&oldid=535069892 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.109.150.114 (talk) 02:46, 4 March 2013 (UTC)
 * - Please note that this: http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Limescale&diff=535069892&oldid=534152019 is the Yobot edit, whereby it only removed the link to Limescale from the Limescale article and tidied up some spacing. The link you provided was done afterwards by an IP editor.  Have editing!  GoingBatty (talk) 03:03, 4 March 2013 (UTC)

small tags
Hi Magioladitis, I'm trying to understand why the tags were changed here. I've looked at User:Magioladitis/AWB_and_CHECKWIKI and double small tags, and tags in ref, sup or sub and in captions are noted, but not in plain text. Edgepedia (talk) 18:31, 7 March 2013 (UTC)
 * It was inside image description. Maybe you could try with small? Still the problem is that image description shows very small in many computers. -- Magioladitis (talk) 18:33, 7 March 2013 (UTC)
 * Sorry, just looking at the diff, not the article. Edgepedia (talk) 18:41, 7 March 2013 (UTC)
 * Perhaps you could use →  -- Red rose64 (talk) 21:10, 7 March 2013 (UTC)

Joe Bushkin
A comma has been added after a full stop following the bot's revision on this page. EddieHugh (talk) 01:17, 8 March 2013 (UTC)
 * A comma wasn't "added". The comma was moved from just after the ref to just before the ref per WP:REFPUNC.  In the rare cases where this causes two punctuation marks in a row, the bot isn't smart enough (and alot of humans) to know which punctuation mark should be kept or deleted.  Bgwhite (talk) 20:07, 8 March 2013 (UTC)

List of past Doctors characters
Yobot has recently made a change as per http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=List_of_past_Doctors_characters&diff=542626725&oldid=542599780 I don't think it should have done this. Could you clarify? Thanks Adamiow (talk) 11:11, 8 March 2013 (UTC)
 * It's a link back to the same page, therefore pointless. -- Red rose64 (talk) 13:31, 8 March 2013 (UTC)
 * Thanks. It might help if I actually read it! I have corrected to refer to the right page. Adamiow (talk) 22:01, 8 March 2013 (UTC)

Re: Prime Minister of Serbia
Hi! In my opinion, the font size on the last column must be small for aesthetical reasons. If the are not small, the whole list looks much larger, totally unnecessary. I can read them pretty well, they are small but not invisible. Cheers! --Sundostund (talk) 11:39, 11 March 2013 (UTC)
 * OK. -- Magioladitis (talk) 21:51, 17 April 2013 (UTC)

Template:Infobox scholar
If you are working in that infobox, can you make the following changes-
 * Bring name, full name section before "image"
 * Add alma meter, awards parameters? --Tito Dutta (contact) 20:42, 11 March 2013 (UTC)
 * I think I fixed the first issue. -- Magioladitis (talk) 10:28, 13 March 2013 (UTC)
 * done. Frietjes (talk) 16:11, 16 March 2013 (UTC)
 * Thanks Frietjes. -- Magioladitis (talk) 16:12, 16 March 2013 (UTC)

Cannot compile latest AWB
See User_talk:Rjwilmsi in case you are having the same problems. Bgwhite (talk) 01:50, 12 March 2013 (UTC)
 * Thanks. -- Magioladitis (talk) 16:13, 16 March 2013 (UTC)

Hi, want to help out with HSBC and money laundering aspects?
Hi, I'm writing to relatively recent contributors, including on the talk page, and asking if they want to help out. I still think there's a fair amount of work with this whole money laundering aspect, not that we've made mistakes, but rather in terms of making a good article better. For example, I think officials of the U.S. Justice Department have directly said they did not want to punish HSBC harder and risk the bank losing its license---because of risk of major economic disruption.

If you have time, please, jump in and help. We can probably very much use your help. Thanks. FriendlyRiverOtter (talk) 22:04, 12 March 2013 (UTC)
 * Not my field. Sorry. -- Magioladitis (talk) 21:52, 17 April 2013 (UTC)

Ayo
Thanks!! Have a nice day and happy editing! -- Magioladitis (talk) 10:27, 13 March 2013 (UTC)

NBSP insertion
Hi, the Yobot seems to be inserting "&amp;nbsp;" between numbers and units of measurements. That does not seem a good idea. When Wikipedia was invented, the founders wisely decided that articles would be written in wikisource rather than raw HTML because they wanted to make editing accessible to anyone, even readers who had no knowledge of HTML or computeresque intuition. Simplicity of the wikisource was considered more important than aesthetics. That decision included, for example, using straight quotes rather than paired open-close quotes. That philosophy was a stroke of genius and was proably responsible for Wikipedia's success. The use of NBSPs in the wikisource clearly goes against that philosophy. Replacing "10 m" by "10&amp;nbsp;m" makes the wikisource harder (and more unpleasant) to read, and therfore more painful to edit. Those &amp;nbsp;s will look quite mysterious to most novice editors; and today the main threat to Wikipedia's future is the shortage of new editors. (A study by the Foundation a couple of years ago found that many first-time would-be editors gave up just after clicking "Edit", when they saw the horrible mess that wikisource has now become. Even a stupid simple space must now be entered in some sort of Klingon hieroglyphics!) Besides, controlling line breaks should not be the editor's job. The program that generates HTML from the wikisource should be improved to replace space by NBSPs automatically after any number, before any, etc. Just as it could insert soft hyphen (&amp;#173;) in words. Hacks for looks are OK as long as they are not visible in the wikisource. So please remove that "feature" from Yobot, and instead lobby the site maintainers to implement their auto-insertion. Thanks, and all the best, --Jorge Stolfi (talk) 05:19, 13 March 2013 (UTC)


 * Per MOS:NBSP, "&amp;nbsp;" is recommended to be used. Yobot is only following MOS guidelines in this case, thus will not be removed unless MOS is changed. Bgwhite (talk) 05:38, 13 March 2013 (UTC)

Landgericht Berlin
Why did you declare it a stub ? I did not miss anything in that article but the Commonscat. -- Juergen 91.52.165.4 (talk) 10:18, 13 March 2013 (UTC)
 * I didn't declare it as stub. I only moved the already existing stub tag to the bottom. -- Magioladitis (talk) 10:27, 13 March 2013 (UTC)
 * Oh, sorry. Listed it on WP:WikiProject Germany/Assessment now. -- Juergen 91.52.165.4 (talk) 00:16, 14 March 2013 (UTC)

WP:JAZZ, again
Hi, sorry I didn't notice any of this sooner, but I've spotted some problems following the WP:JAZZ tagging that you did for us in January. I've opened a new discussion at WP:BOTREQ. Thank you, -- Gyrofrog (talk) 20:10, 13 March 2013 (UTC)
 * Good luck. Sorry for the errors I introduced in my effort to fix everything. -- Magioladitis (talk) 21:53, 17 April 2013 (UTC)

#84
Any reason why auto tagging only does level two headers and not others? 90%+ of #84 are level three headers Bgwhite (talk) 06:46, 15 March 2013 (UTC)
 * I think we wanted to be on the safe side and not flood pages with tags. -- Magioladitis (talk) 07:56, 15 March 2013 (UTC)

Invisible characters
I don't know. I use chrome (is that the problem?), but even after you or your bot removes them, if I copy and paste from the article the characters seem to be there when I paste. Perhaps windows works that way, needing those characters to separate l-to-r text from r-to-l text? Village Pump technical?? Carlossuarez46 (talk) 18:53, 16 March 2013 (UTC)
 * I just cut and pasted this: كنگري (Kangari) - does it or does it not have the invisible characters? what about this: - checking if the template inserts them? Carlossuarez46 (talk) 18:55, 16 March 2013 (UTC)
 * Both have r-to-l character. Maybe is chrome? -- Magioladitis (talk) 21:48, 16 March 2013 (UTC)
 * Likely the source. Hmmm... is there a way to search for the characters? Carlossuarez46 (talk) 23:27, 19 March 2013 (UTC)
 * I think I'm migrating to firefox, the css bug still hits chrome and is annoying. Let's see if this problem resolves itself in the migration. Unintended benefits? MfG Carlossuarez46 (talk) 16:03, 28 March 2013 (UTC)
 * Using Firefox (كنگري) and how do these look? Carlossuarez46 (talk) 21:21, 29 March 2013 (UTC)


 * Thanks for the Barnstar. Are the above with or without the invisible characters? Carlossuarez46 (talk) 23:09, 29 March 2013 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the effort! Unfortunately, it still adds the invisible character in both cases. Maybe we should live with it. -- Magioladitis (talk) 23:01, 29 March 2013 (UTC)

AWB edits
Hi,

Do you mind holding off on making AWB edits like this in future? The decision to use WPBS over WPB is an individual one (the documentation has recommendations, but not hard rules), and because of that it really shouldn't be changed in an automated manner. Cheers. Chris Cunningham (user:thumperward) (talk) 12:12, 19 March 2013 (UTC)
 * OK. The main problem was the missing parameter. To add or not collapsed=yes is a matter of decision as you say. But for only 2 tags I think the choice to have them uncollapsed is OK. Feel free to add collapsed=yes if necessary. In the future I ll follow your instructions to respect the established style. -- Magioladitis (talk) 23:17, 19 March 2013 (UTC)
 * See also Wikipedia talk:AutoWikiBrowser/Bugs. GoingBatty (talk) 02:40, 20 March 2013 (UTC)
 * It turns that the custom module needs update too. -- Magioladitis (talk) 13:40, 20 March 2013 (UTC)

Could you explain why you were again making these changes today, despite saying above "In the future I ll follow your instructions to respect the established style."? &mdash; Carl (CBM · talk) 17:38, 24 March 2013 (UTC)
 * I kept the collapsed=yes parameter. I fixed those templates with problems: invalid parameters, missing parameters, etc. -- Magioladitis (talk) 17:39, 24 March 2013 (UTC)
 * The ones I did today were the lasts of WPB. -- Magioladitis (talk) 17:42, 24 March 2013 (UTC)
 * Beyond changing parameters, you also replaced Template:WikiProjectBanners (from its redirect Template:WPB) with Template:WikiProjectBannerShell, which was not necessary if the goal was to fix missing parameters. Because the established style was to use WikiProjectBanners, this change goes against what you said above. Because of the change you made, if Template:WikiProjectBanners is now edited, these articles will not reflect the change, because they now point at a different template than the one that had been established. &mdash; Carl (CBM · talk) 17:46, 24 March 2013 (UTC)
 * The latter is only a wrapper of the original template and it caused conflicted parameters in the past such as collapsed=no which doesn't work. Anyway, my main concern was to fix some stuff and not cause problems. I am sorry if I caused any. -- Magioladitis (talk) 17:49, 24 March 2013 (UTC)
 * "Only a wrapper" is not a reason to replace it. The entire point of having a wrapper is to make it possible to style a particular collection of pages in a consistent way, so that editing just the wrapper will update all the pages that use it. That is lost when you replace the wrapper. Also, tests in my sandbox show that the collapsed=no parameter does work with Template:WPB, which is also clear if you look at the source code for the template. &mdash; Carl (CBM · talk) 17:57, 24 March 2013 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!
Thanks!!! -- Magioladitis (talk) 23:34, 26 March 2013 (UTC)

Erroneous edit by Yobot
At "Line 90": http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Haskell_98_features&diff=next&oldid=538206341

WillNess (talk) 21:26, 28 March 2013 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the heads up. It's an one-off thing. -- Magioladitis (talk) 23:27, 31 March 2013 (UTC)
 * Thanks. I've added the nbsp markers there. Are they not needed anymore? -- WillNess (talk) 18:02, 2 April 2013 (UTC)
 * Please leave them there. Your edit really helped! Check my latest edit on the page. -- Magioladitis (talk) 21:55, 17 April 2013 (UTC)

WikiProject module
Hi Magioladitis! I'm enjoying using your User:Magioladitis/WikiProjects module. However, when removing unneeded parameters, it's not removing the pipe - try Talk:Melina Mercouri. Thanks! GoingBatty (talk) 22:05, 31 March 2013 (UTC)
 * Kumioko used to maintain this module. Any help is appreciated. -- Magioladitis (talk) 23:26, 31 March 2013 (UTC)
 * Fixed Bgwhite (talk) 06:51, 1 April 2013 (UTC)
 * Confirmed - thanks! GoingBatty (talk) 16:23, 1 April 2013 (UTC)

AWB help on feature requests & bug reports
Hi, for AWB bug reports and feature requests I am asking for your help, whenever you are able to give it (please treat this as an open invite so include other willing editors if you're aware of them). I think AWB needs a team of knowledgeable users to support the improvement of AWB. You are one of the editors I see doing this currently, I am asking for more of your help. We are limited in development resource so I'm asking for more help in areas that non-developers can support. So

For bug reports:
 * where the status is need information, we need to chase up the editor/s involved to get the required details.
 * where the bug is an exception, we need to know if/how it can be reproduced.
 * duplicate reports could be cleared

For feature requests: All of the above is up for improvement, we could discuss on Wikipedia talk:AutoWikiBrowser/Dev. Thanks Rjwilmsi  19:00, 1 April 2013 (UTC)
 * where the status is need information, we need to chase up the editor/s involved to get the required details.
 * generally we need to make sure the feature request is clear, there is a link to the MOS/policy page/template documentation wherever needed, there is consensus for it.
 * if the feature request lacks consensus/is against policy we should archive it and notify the editor.
 * we should ideally prioritize feature requests. We could add a new parameter to the feature request template for this. I would like to see requests as high/medium/low based on criteria such as value added by feature/time saved for user/number of pages or templates affected. This will help to focus development effort and clear down unreasonable feature requests.
 * Agreed - let's discuss on the Dev page. GoingBatty (talk) 01:03, 2 April 2013 (UTC)

gallery tag
I think something is wrong with the updated code for the gallery tag. See March Joint Air Reserve Base. Bgwhite (talk) 05:33, 3 April 2013 (UTC)
 * Another one Anton Heyboer Bgwhite (talk) 06:24, 3 April 2013 (UTC)
 * Fixed! -- Magioladitis (talk) 09:03, 3 April 2013 (UTC)


 * Thank you. This month's dump just started.   You want to go thru the  exceptions section on the AWB bugs page.  Looks like alot of them were started by you. Bgwhite (talk) 22:49, 3 April 2013 (UTC)

Collapsed parameter, am I missing something here
Greetings, Magio. Just wondering why you added collapsed to a bunch of talk pages like here. Some WikiProjects get really froggy when the collapsed parameter is added because it hides their banners. Its especially not needed when there are only a couple projects listed. Just wondering if I was missing something. Kumioko (talk) 13:49, 4 April 2013 (UTC)
 * Greetings and nice to see you back. Feel free to remove it. I think the templates were already collapsed. -- Magioladitis (talk) 14:19, 4 April 2013 (UTC)
 * Thanks, I'm just picking, not going to be all that active anymore. Its really no big deal to me I just thought it was giving the Wikiwhiners an excuse to complain about minor edits or their pet WikiProject again. Cause there isn't enough here to complain about all ready, we need more things. :-) Kumioko (talk) 14:48, 4 April 2013 (UTC)

AWB glitch?
I'm not sure if you were just having a glitch that day, but this edit was pretty clearly not minor, and not something that should have been done using automatic tools with no edit summary. (In fact, it explicitly runs against several guidelines: WP:MSM, WP:LEAD, WP:MTAA.) Editors (such as myself) generally don't systematically check edits like this: AWB edits marked as minor with an edit summary indicating some sort of routine maintence. So please practice extra vigilance when using AWB to make sure that you don't actually do things that might be considered non-minor or non-routine. If you do please make sure to give an accurate edit summary of the changes that you made to an article, rather than the default AWB edit summary. Sławomir Biały (talk) 21:52, 4 April 2013 (UTC)
 * Thanks for letting me know. It was a glitch of that day and I was pretty sure I have fixed all of my mess. It's bad for me to see that I haven't and someone noticed 6 months later :( -- Magioladitis (talk) 22:01, 4 April 2013 (UTC)
 * No worries. I figured it was just a glitch, but thought it best to give the "standard lecture" in case it wasn't.  Best,  Sławomir Biały  (talk) 23:13, 4 April 2013 (UTC)

Re
But there is not yet a solution posted for the bug? That's why I put it there. Mimihitam (talk) 16:07, 5 April 2013 (UTC)
 * I didn't archive the bug. I just put it in another place on the same page. -- Magioladitis (talk) 16:33, 5 April 2013 (UTC)

Yobot moving maintenance tags to above PROD template
Hallo, in this edit, Yobot moved the maintenance tags to be above the PROD template (as well as, usefully, combining them into "Multiple issues"). Is there any guideline or documentation supporting that? I thought PROD should be at the top (well, after any disambiguation hatnotes). The text atProposed_deletion says "Add the to the top of the main article page", but I don't know whether there's any more specific guidance anywhere? We have WP:ORDER for a listing of the order of footers and appendices, but I don't know of a list for the top matter of an article. Pam D  18:30, 6 April 2013 (UTC)
 * Hi. I only know the rule for WP:HNP. Maybe you could leave a message to the talk page of WP:ORDER for clarification. I can't recall if there were other editors who asked the maintenance tags to be above prod and I would not like to change something on AWB's code and then change it back. So I think it's better if we are sure about the consensus first. -- Magioladitis (talk) 23:32, 6 April 2013 (UTC)
 * I've asked at Wikipedia_talk:Manual_of_Style/Lead_section. The documentation there at Manual_of_Style/Lead_section doesn't distinguish deletion templates from other maintenance templates, but I think it would be helpful if it did. Yobot has obviously got a rule about it already (or is it just that "templates which can be combined into Multiple Issues go above any other maintenance templates" perhaps?) Pam  D  08:34, 7 April 2013 (UTC)
 * I think when we made the code we didn't have the various Afd, Prod deletion templates in mind. Template:Orphan says to put "at the top of the article". Still individual documentation doesn't prove anything. Thanks for leaving messages and let's see how it goes! -- Magioladitis (talk) 08:36, 7 April 2013 (UTC)

Bug review
Could you see if the bugs could be closed.
 * XmlException in ApiEdit.CheckForErrors
 * NullReferenceException in AsyncApiEdit.InvokeFunction
 * ArgumentException in TraceManager.AddListener
 * NullReferenceException in AsyncApiEdit.CallEvent
 * ApiException in ApiEdit.Save
 * NullReferenceException in TraceManager.RemoveListener

I think these 3 can be too. Bgwhite (talk) 22:49, 7 April 2013 (UTC)
 * AccessViolationException in Program.Main
 * InvalidOperationException in UserPrefs.LoadPrefs / UserPrefs.SavePrefs
 * TypeInitializationException in ApiEdit..ctor and NullReferenceException in MainForm.UpdateButtons

I archived only 2 of them. We 'll have to investigate a bit more for the rest. -- Magioladitis (talk) 23:04, 7 April 2013 (UTC)

Using a reference multiple times.
Greetings. Please can you help in my question? I want to put a reference in an article multiple times (2-3 times) cause it's needed. How can I do that with the right way? Thank you for your time. -- NickDimou 17:05, 9 April 2013 (UTC)
 * WP:CITEBEGIN. -- Red rose64 (talk) 18:50, 9 April 2013 (UTC)
 * Thank you very much. I will try it right away! NickDimou 10:41, 10 April 2013 (UTC)

Talk:Sukhothai Kingdom
Please check Talk:Sukhothai Kingdom. --Pawyilee (talk) 04:03, 11 April 2013 (UTC)
 * Is anything particular that I could help with? -- Magioladitis (talk) 22:01, 17 April 2013 (UTC)

Hi Magioladitis
Would you be interested to help me on this project? https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Global_Economic_Map

I am trying to duplicate this economic report for all 196 countries. Would you be willing to contribute by duplicating this model for another country?

United States: User:Mcnabber091/Economy_of_the_United_States

China: User:Mcnabber091/sandbox

Mcnabber091 (talk) 05:39, 13 April 2013 (UTC)
 * I am not at all expert on this area. -- Magioladitis (talk) 14:20, 20 April 2013 (UTC)

br module problem
The module to remove br tags from the end of a template has problems with timeline. See this edit. I can confirm that not running the module causes no problems. Bgwhite (talk) 06:16, 17 April 2013 (UTC)
 * When I replace timeline with code or source or html bug doesn't occur. -- Magioladitis (talk) 13:42, 20 April 2013 (UTC)
 * Regex catches only the br tag. -- Magioladitis (talk) 13:48, 20 April 2013 (UTC)
 * The bug occurs even if I replace timeline with math or pre. -- Magioladitis (talk) 13:53, 20 April 2013 (UTC)
 * Added more tests to check whether the problem is in Tools.GetTemplateParameterValue. -- Magioladitis (talk) 14:17, 20 April 2013 (UTC)
 * Rjwilmsi found and fixed the bug. Fix PipeCleanedTemplate for handling of non-comment tags. -- Magioladitis (talk) 14:17, 20 April 2013 (UTC)

Endash and emdash
Several cases of endash/emdash in article titles, such as 2–3 heap or 4–4–5 calendar. AWB should turn these into regular dashes/hyphens. Bgwhite (talk) 19:09, 18 April 2013 (UTC)
 * for endashes and emdashes in sortkey (error #6). -- Magioladitis (talk) 19:18, 18 April 2013 (UTC)

USS Minneapolis–Saint Paul (SSN-708)
Naughty yobot!

John of Cromer in Philippines (talk) mytime= Fri 07:34, wikitime=  23:34, 18 April 2013 (UTC)
 * Thank you for removing the duplicate  tag from the article, which Yobot was not expecting.  GoingBatty (talk) 00:10, 19 April 2013 (UTC)

section headers - error #7
Normally, AWB does a good job of changing === to ==, but not when things are in alphabetical order. See List of scale-model industry, notable persons. Bgwhite (talk) 06:50, 21 April 2013 (UTC)
 * Is there a rule that says that in these cases we use level 3 headers? By the way, pack your luggage, we are leaving soon. -- Magioladitis (talk) 07:09, 21 April 2013 (UTC)
 * Only rule would be ACCESSIBILITY, "Headings should be nested sequentially, starting with level 2...". Yeah! I'm waiting for my 1st class ticket. Bgwhite (talk) 07:28, 21 April 2013 (UTC)
 * Any action that we should do then? -- Magioladitis (talk) 10:54, 3 May 2013 (UTC)

Dead end tags
Is there any reason why Yobot tagged "List of minor planets:..." pages with dead end tags? I found quite a few stuffed in Category:Dead-end pages from April 2013 while randomly browsing and the ones I've been through seem to have wikilinks on them. Funny Pika! 10:26, 21 April 2013 (UTC)
 * Wikilinks are given by a template. We have to fix the AWB glitch. Thanks for the heads up. -- Magioladitis (talk) 10:32, 21 April 2013 (UTC)
 * Rjwilmsi fixed it. -- Magioladitis (talk) 11:56, 21 April 2013 (UTC)
 * I removed the dead end templates from those articles. GoingBatty (talk) 16:07, 23 April 2013 (UTC)
 * Thanks GoingBatty. I thought I fixed everything two days ago. -- Magioladitis (talk) 20:32, 23 April 2013 (UTC)
 * Looks like Yobot stopped after List of minor planets: 45001–46000, and I got the rest. GoingBatty (talk) 00:15, 24 April 2013 (UTC)

Yobot glitch
By accident I disactivated the general fixes from Yobot's settings earlier today. This resulted to at about 200 edits that did nothing but changing whitespace. I just noticed and fixed. Sorry for any inconvenience. -- Magioladitis (talk) 10:03, 22 April 2013 (UTC)

checkwiki error 16
hello, pls see this diff the result of an error 16. "remove unicode control characters"??? the non-breaking hyphen code &#8209; should not be replaced. 70.19.122.39 (talk) 12:56, 22 April 2013 (UTC)
 * It was replaced by its Unicode equivalent and not removed. &#8209; and ‑ should be the very same thing. Did you notice any differences? -- Magioladitis (talk) 13:34, 22 April 2013 (UTC)
 * it was not replaced by unicode encoding but by a literal hyphen. i've no idea whether it is a hard or soft one, and non-breaking hyphen seems to suggest that the hard hyphen should be encoded. also, i'd like it to be encoded so other editors will know it is non-breaking. if it is a huge prob i can always use instead. 70.19.122.39 (talk) 00:30, 23 April 2013 (UTC)
 * That would be wonderful. Using wiki templates for those special characters is always preferred than using unicode characters. I experienced a lot of problems with weird unicode characters. Thanks! -- Magioladitis (talk) 06:00, 23 April 2013 (UTC)

Question
This edit with AWB changed De incessu animalium to De incessu animalium. While I believe this is related to the simplification of links and WP:MOS an editor has questioned it and my answer wasn't good enough. I'd hope you'd be able to explain it to me. ChrisGualtieri (talk) 00:16, 23 April 2013 (UTC)
 * I answered at Chris' talk page. However, you usually have a better answer, so still take a look. Bgwhite (talk) 00:42, 23 April 2013 (UTC)
 * I read the discussion. I have nothing to add. AWB doesn't do the change anymore. It fixed only the case where the piped link matched the target. -- Magioladitis (talk) 05:52, 23 April 2013 (UTC)

Heinrich Amersdorffer and Volker Ullrich
Hi. I noticed that you did a helpful tidy of these article. Can you give me advice on wikilinking ? I see that you changed a link from "War artist|war artist" to "war artist". This latter formula is the one I previously used until I was advised, and my edits corrected, by an editor who said that I needed to put the actual capitalized article name and pipe the de-capitalized version - I've been doing this since. Is there a Wikipedia guideline that tells of the correct way of doing this ? Thanks. Acabashi (talk) 15:42, 23 April 2013 (UTC)
 * See Help:Link.  (which displays as War artist) links to exactly the same page as   (which displays as war artist). -- Red rose64 (talk) 16:20, 23 April 2013 (UTC)

id #28
id #28 is full of false positives. Majority of the false positives is where the table ends in a template that contains |}. Fb cs footer is an example on football pages. I've modified the checkwiki code to check for these cases. I'm sure there are cases I don't know about, so will need to add those later. Maybe, by a miracle, a certain somebody will accept the code for upstream use. Hopefully this will make clearing out #28 a little easier. Bgwhite (talk) 22:37, 23 April 2013 (UTC)
 * Templates_for_discussion/Log/2013_March_30. -- Magioladitis (talk) 04:50, 24


 * Fb cl footer Fb disc footer Fb footer Fb kit footer Fb oi footer Fb r footer Fb rbr pos footer Ig footer Bgwhite (talk) 05:33, 24 April 2013 (UTC)

Did you run Yobot on #46? Bgwhite (talk) 06:56, 24 April 2013 (UTC)
 * Not in the entire list. -- Magioladitis (talk) 07:28, 24 April 2013 (UTC)
 * Yes, I did. -- Magioladitis (talk) 10:20, 24 April 2013 (UTC)

The #80 list is updated. Fixed the code to get rid of all the false positives. Hopefully, this allows us next month to see the ones we need to do manually. I'm manually doing #28 and should be done by the end of the month. You want to run list comparer on #46 and manually do as much as you can? Just think, next month all "high" errors should be done. Bgwhite (talk) 04:35, 25 April 2013 (UTC)
 * I just started a pre-parse mode run on #46 to make a list of pages with alerts. -- Magioladitis (talk) 07:42, 25 April 2013 (UTC)
 * I did as many as I could. Now let's wait for the new dump. -- Magioladitis (talk) 07:12, 3 May 2013 (UTC)

Redirects
Hi,

I was just wondering if you could please comment on a recent edit of mine. I feel like it is following WP:NOTBROKEN, and is a warranted change, but it has been reverted. Am I doing something wrong? Thank you :) Melonkelon (talk) 09:53, 26 April 2013 (UTC)
 * Most of the changes you did are fine. The problem is with Britney which should not have changed. -- Magioladitis (talk) 11:07, 26 April 2013 (UTC)
 * Hi, I see that the WPCleaner function to replace a redirect link by a direct link (which is entirely manual and only on one redirect page at a time) is causing trouble for some editors who are using them probably a lot more than they should do.
 * To avoid this kind of problems in the future, I'd like to display a warning message to WPCleaner user when he uses this function for replacing a redirect link by a direct link. Could you suggest an appropriate message for enwiki ? --NicoV (Talk on frwiki) 16:55, 26 April 2013 (UTC)
 * But Britney redirects to Britney Spears, why do you have to link it to Britney Spears? Melonkelon (talk) 21:10, 26 April 2013 (UTC)
 * IMO, Britney can potentially converted to a dablink from a redirect. I can't be sure but I think this is one of the cases I would prefer the piped version. -- Magioladitis (talk) 23:26, 26 April 2013 (UTC)

AWB FRs
Could you look over these feature requests you started or significantly commented on. Hopefully alot can be deleted. I'll do my "playing" before the next dump with cleaning up the feature request page. Oh joy. Bgwhite (talk) 02:48, 2 May 2013 (UTC)


 * 1) Handling <li> and <ul> html tags  I think this can be removed as <li> tags are sometimes needed in infoboxes.
 * 2) Templates that end in Breaks (CHECKWIKI error 59)  Fixed via module?
 * 3) More break line tags cleanup
 * 4) If all headers are of level 1 downgrade them 1 level
 * 5) Stop removing blank line between section headings
 * 6) Manually expand pipe trick where broken
 * 7) Don't remove trailing parentherical elements of DEFAULTSORT, indeed do add them Archived
 * 8) Fix references that use Ibid
 * 9) Fixes for Nihongo template
 * 10) No changes inside single straight quotes
 * 11) Template:'"
 * 12) Fix unbalanced brackets inside gallery Very useful
 * 13) Unload plugins Very useful
 * 14) Add ctrl+c, ctr+x, ctrl+a shortcuts to log lists
 * 15) Provide ability for edit summary to change dynamically based on what custom Find & Replace changes are made
 * 16) Move  above  in talk pages Archived
 * 17) Intro-missing Bot request made
 * 18) Unicode control characters Archived. We do the best possible. Yobot does the rest.
 * 19) Reverse order in statistics box for ar.wiki
 * 20) Enhance logic for removing duplicated categories (CHECKWIKI error 17)

Why should I remove things that haven't been implemented yet? == Magioladitis (talk) 20:48, 2 May 2013 (UTC)
 * Just doing the same thing as was done with the bug reports... clean things up and delete those that have been implemented or no longer needed. I asked GoingBatty the same thing. I'll try and deal with the rest after Batty goes thru his list. Bgwhite (talk) 21:07, 2 May 2013 (UTC)

Protection of the article Tecumseh
Hi Magioladitis, since you already happened to edit in the article Tecumseh and you should be an administrator, could you be so kind as to take a look at it, which is now being severely vandalized? Thank you very much.--Jeanambr (talk) 15:33, 2 May 2013 (UTC)
 * I put temporary protection on the article and did a temporary block on the IP. Oh joy.  Next time, you may want to request page protection at WP:RPP. Bgwhite (talk) 16:39, 2 May 2013 (UTC)
 * I did not know the page; you've been terrifically efficient, anyway! Many thanks. --Jeanambr (talk) 07:06, 3 May 2013 (UTC)
 * As you may have noticed, using my talk page could be proven faster :) -- Magioladitis (talk) 07:10, 3 May 2013 (UTC)
 * I think I'll bear it in mind for next time! Cheers. --Jeanambr (talk) 15:41, 3 May 2013 (UTC)

Request for deletion template:SinglesCat
Your remark there: It produces an automated list of interwikis and categories. I suggest that we subst it instead of leaving it like this. This will enable mocing interwikis to Wikidata. Magioladitis (talk) 13:01, 4 May 2013 (UTC)
 * Oppose: May I suggest you do the work to do that, then, once you have made this template have no links using it and all of the pages that used it are inlined/subst'd, then, and only then, come back and say that you have made the template superfluous. Otherwise, if the template is deleted, how are the links to remain? You think it's unnecessary, you do the work to make it unnecessary, then I'll agree. I don't care and I used a template for this exact reason, because I'd rather the computer do the work than me! Paul Robinson (Rfc1394) (talk) 16:02, 4 May 2013 (UTC)
 * Nobody said the template will be deleted before the changes are made. Moreover, I didn't suggest a deletion but a template substitution. -- Magioladitis (talk) 16:13, 4 May 2013 (UTC)
 * Funny, but I saw the 3rd word in the discussion and it's 100% spelled the same as 'deletion'. Sure looks to me like you're recommending the template be deleted. There are new remarks in the discussion I have added which put paid to your claims. Please go take a look Paul Robinson (Rfc1394) (talk) 00:39, 8 May 2013 (UTC)

Casualties small
What are you talking about causes the page to scroll? I don't understand what you mean. I'm not having that problem at all and this page has been edited in this way for the last 2 years and nobody complained about it until now. Please discuss first before reverting again. Thank you. EkoGraf (talk) 03:59, 6 May 2013 (UTC)
 * What exactly small tags around references achieve? To display the references number smaller? Per WP:FONTSIZE "Editors should avoid manually inserting large and small fonts into prose." I have a netbook and when text becomes smaller than normal it is impossible to click on it. -- Magioladitis (talk) 04:09, 6 May 2013 (UTC)

Old error
It's two years old, so no need to stop the bot over it, but perhaps it's still useful to know:.

Looking further, this seems to be / have been a recurring problem: 2009, 2008, 2009, 2011, 2009, 2008

Considering that all these (and at least a few others apparently) are still live in the articles, some new bot task to clean these up may be useful? I have through my cursory glance not found any of these more recent than 2011 though. Fram (talk) 08:12, 7 May 2013 (UTC)
 * Wow. Thanks for the heads up. You did a lot of research. I hope my new code doesn't cause this anymore. I'll try to clean up the mess. Thanks again. -- Magioladitis (talk) 20:46, 7 May 2013 (UTC)

I revived an old version and then checked AWB/script behaviour on this page. Everything works just fine. Thanks again for the report. -- Magioladitis (talk) 06:58, 11 May 2013 (UTC)

unnecessary bolding
Hi, is there any way you can stop the bot from doing what it just did (twice) at English plural? Or at least stop it from redoing a change after someone has reverted it? Thanks. Victor Yus (talk) 12:20, 8 May 2013 (UTC)
 * It turns more editors agree with me though. -- Magioladitis (talk) 05:29, 9 May 2013 (UTC)
 * OK, if you as a human being actually think such bolding is desirable, I suppose it's no error. I thought it looked a bit silly, and assumed it was just a bot making an automatic decision. Victor Yus (talk) 07:32, 9 May 2013 (UTC)

What is the purpose of these edits
re


 * 1) Reference reordering: a. do you have a reason? b. do you have policy justification? I'm not sure it still applies in this instance after multiple edits but often in tight paragraphs I order references in order of their first use in the paragraph, or of utility.  I'd just as soon not have that changed.
 * 2) Ref template change from cite document to cite journal.  The citation is to a document, not to a journal article.  In this case I'm simply bemused. Dankarl (talk) 16:05, 8 May 2013 (UTC)


 * References are ordered as they appear in the article, not in a paragraph or of utility. Look at any FA article.
 * There is no "cite document". It is a redirect to cite journal.
 * Bot arrived there because there was punctuation after a reference. It also combined a duplicate ref.  Bgwhite (talk) 17:19, 8 May 2013 (UTC)
 * 1a I am referring to the ordering of citations within a given paragraph.  The 'Men of Mark' reference was moved in the first instance it occurred so your "order in the article" explanation does not appear to apply. (Unless you are governed by the reference's appearance in note 1 which seems excessively technical, but I can see how the bot might respond to it. I would go by body text only.)   Also you do not clarify whether this is MOS or simply aesthetics.  FA criteria do not apply unless (a) they are in the MOS or (b) the article is nominated for FA.
 * 3 It is not apparent from the diff where you combined duplicate references. Cheers Dankarl (talk) 19:27, 8 May 2013 (UTC)